1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 22 Dec 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 713       Contents: "New" BA350  Re: "New" BA350  Re: "New" BA350 ' Re: %SYSTEM-F-MEDOFL, medium is offline + Any tips and/or tricks for VMS with HSG80s? / Re: Any tips and/or tricks for VMS with HSG80s?  Re: Apache CGI Install Problem Re: DCPS flag page format # Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster # Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster # Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster # Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster # Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster # Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster # Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster  Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0 Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0 Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0 Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0 Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0 Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0 Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0 Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.06 Re: Elsa Gloria screen device not found at XP1000 boot6 Re: Elsa Gloria screen device not found at XP1000 boot6 Re: Elsa Gloria screen device not found at XP1000 boot& Re: Enterprise Architect hard at work!& Re: Enterprise Architect hard at work!' RE: Error After Adding New Network Card ' Re: Error After Adding New Network Card ( Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo( Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo( Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo( Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo( Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo( Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo( Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo( Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo( Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo( Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo( Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo( Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo( Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo( Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo( Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo" How to Invoke Conversational Boot?& Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?& Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?& Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?& Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?& Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?& Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?& Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?& Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?& Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?& Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?& Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?& Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?& Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?& Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?# Re: Icons under DECwindow 1.2-5/CDE , INFO-VAX complaints about duplicate postings Merry Christmas to all... " Monitor on a AXP running VMS 7.2-1& Re: Monitor on a AXP running VMS 7.2-1& Re: Monitor on a AXP running VMS 7.2-1& Re: Monitor on a AXP running VMS 7.2-1& Re: Monitor on a AXP running VMS 7.2-1 Re: Mozilla 0.6 % Netscape 3.03/Elsa and window crashes ) Re: Netscape 3.03/Elsa and window crashes ) Re: Netscape 3.03/Elsa and window crashes = Re: NLA0: the null device - can VMS have other default names? = Re: NLA0: the null device - can VMS have other default names? = Re: NLA0: the null device - can VMS have other default names? = Re: NLA0: the null device - can VMS have other default names? = Re: NLA0: the null device - can VMS have other default names?  Re: OpenVMS DHCP Client? Re: OpenVMS SAN Integration / Re: Overzealous spam filtering for compaq.com ? ! Re: Problem with linking C++ code ! Re: Problem with linking C++ code ! Re: Problems with PATHWORKS V6.0C ! Re: Problems with PATHWORKS V6.0C ! Re: Problems with PATHWORKS V6.0C ' RAMBUS Futures , was Re: DS20 vs. DS20E  record count Re: record count Re: record count Re: RIP LN03, 1987-2000 @ Re: SABackup to a file (Was: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?) Segmented keys in RMS  Re: Segmented keys in RMS  Re: Segmented keys in RMS  SLS QuestionC Re: SMTP Server under OpenVMS AXP V6.2/UCX V4 Character Set Problem  Re: Sun Cluster  system disk space  system disk space  Re: system disk space  Re: system disk space  Re: system disk space ) Re: System halts when console is shut off 
 Re: Thank you  Re: Vax on a chip + Re: VMS / C - writing a server + admin util + Re: VMS / C - writing a server + admin util  RE: VMS 7.3 EFT2 QH Way off-topic, nothing to do with VMS (was Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0) X25 NVA0: marked /NoDisconnect  Re: XP1000 - which Graphics Card	 Re: Y2038   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 00:18:30 GMT  From: gmm35@my-deja.com  Subject: "New" BA350) Message-ID: <91u6kh$3t9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   0 Well I have been of ebaying and got a used BA3500 and some SBB's with an eye to arraching it to my0 VAXserver 3100.  No manual (of course). I attach. my miniscsi end inside the shelf (on the right. side) plug the 50 pin standard scsi on my VAX.1 Install a drive in an open address slot (0 at the 0 top right?) power it up and do a show dev on the- VAX console... no drive shows up on the list.    I tried:  diferent drive   all "Open" slots #  moving the cable to the left side.    THe VAX is addressed at SCSI 7  / I sure would appreciate any ideas you all might  have.   	   -- Gary        Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:59:42 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: "New" BA350- Message-ID: <3A42DFBE.5EEA864A@earthlink.net>    gmm35@my-deja.com wrote: > 2 > Well I have been of ebaying and got a used BA3502 > and some SBB's with an eye to arraching it to my2 > VAXserver 3100.  No manual (of course). I attach0 > my miniscsi end inside the shelf (on the right0 > side) plug the 50 pin standard scsi on my VAX.3 > Install a drive in an open address slot (0 at the 2 > top right?) power it up and do a show dev on the/ > VAX console... no drive shows up on the list.  > 
 > I tried: >  diferent drive  >  all "Open" slots % >  moving the cable to the left side.  >   > THe VAX is addressed at SCSI 7 > 1 > I sure would appreciate any ideas you all might  > have.    Take a look at:   / http://www.djesys.com/freeware/vms/ba350ugc.pdf    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:04:58 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>  Subject: Re: "New" BA3503 Message-ID: <3A4397CA.394D641E@applied-synergy.com>    gmm35@my-deja.com wrote: > 2 > Well I have been of ebaying and got a used BA3502 > and some SBB's with an eye to arraching it to my2 > VAXserver 3100.  No manual (of course). I attach0 > my miniscsi end inside the shelf (on the right0 > side) plug the 50 pin standard scsi on my VAX.3 > Install a drive in an open address slot (0 at the 2 > top right?) power it up and do a show dev on the/ > VAX console... no drive shows up on the list.  > 
 > I tried: >  diferent drive  >  all "Open" slots % >  moving the cable to the left side.  >   > THe VAX is addressed at SCSI 7 > 1 > I sure would appreciate any ideas you all might  > have.   B Assuming that you have the BA350 standing vertically with the SCSI3 connectors at the top, use the left hand connector.   F On the backplane (you have to remove the fans to get to it), there areF two "jumpers".  These are actually small circuit boards that plug intoG sockets.  If drives do not show up in all the positions, try exchanging  the jumpers.  H Also on the backplane is a "Shelf OK" jumper.  You may have to remove itF to get the shelf to work with a VAXserver 3100.  (I have never tried aF BA350 with a 3100, so I don't know for sure about this, but I have had< to remove this jumper to get a shelf to work on an AXP 150.)  
 Good luck!  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2000 04:41:14 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>0 Subject: Re: %SYSTEM-F-MEDOFL, medium is offline0 Message-ID: <87r931jymt.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>   bawilhelm@my-deja.com writes:   H > Yes but the procedure worked when the tape drive was connected via the? > SCSI card in the VAX.  It seems that the HSD50 is somehow not  > recognizing the loader.   ; Do you have to configure the laoder lun for a HSD50? I know $ the HSZs need this in several cases.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 02:23:17 GMT $ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>4 Subject: Any tips and/or tricks for VMS with HSG80s?) Message-ID: <3A42BB40.4737CBB0@wi.rr.com>    Hi:   G I've connected NT servers to our ESA12000s and even got a Novell server  to talk G to one of our Big StorageToys just to prove that it would work but have  not yet connected  a VMS system to an ESA12000.  D Does anyone have any tips or tricks that they can pass along when itE comes to connecting a VMS system to an ESA12000?  Has anyone done any G dual-path stuff similar to SecurePath on NT?  (Which is also similar to > the dual-path setup I have with my CI-based storage networks.)   Many thanks in advance.  :^)   -Scott Vieth& CI Plumber, Fibre Channel Plumber  ;^)   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2000 12:52:13 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)8 Subject: Re: Any tips and/or tricks for VMS with HSG80s?+ Message-ID: <PFBvXZrZlrsI@eisner.decus.org>   P In article <3A42BB40.4737CBB0@wi.rr.com>, Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> writes: > Hi:  > I > I've connected NT servers to our ESA12000s and even got a Novell server 	 > to talk I > to one of our Big StorageToys just to prove that it would work but have  > not yet connected  > a VMS system to an ESA12000. > F > Does anyone have any tips or tricks that they can pass along when itG > comes to connecting a VMS system to an ESA12000?  Has anyone done any I > dual-path stuff similar to SecurePath on NT?  (Which is also similar to @ > the dual-path setup I have with my CI-based storage networks.) >  > Many thanks in advance.  :^) >   ? 	I'm going to get to do this someday soon, maybe ;-).  I sat in @ 	on the one day ESA12000 pre-seminar at CETS2000 (Monday session? 	in Oct 2000).  I repeated a story yesterday from that session. F 	One of the CETS fellows told a sad story about a customer that didn't< 	quite have their HSG80s configured correctly (sorry, detail> 	is sparse ;-) and when an NT server booted it was quite happy@ 	to say hello to all the storage it saw including the productionB 	databases that were being served up to Sun servers.  Very painful? 	restore of those databases resulted.  The key I came away from ? 	there was to use zoning on the Brocade/Compaq switches.  It is A 	hardware based and so the NT or Novell or VMS , etc. servers can 1 	only see their storage.  Here is a bit about it:   = http://www.nwfusion.com/archive/1999/69463_07-05-1999.html?nf   6 		  The 2400 and 2800 switches support hardware zoningC                   and IP addressing. Hardware zoning allows the SAN H                   fabric to be partitioned securely into several virtualH                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^F                   private SANs to isolate different operating systems,E                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +                   departments or policies.   		  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   G                   "Zoning is an issue that is becoming important in the D                   SAN environment. With hardware zoning, you have anB                   absolute lock on security. No one can change theG                   security unless they know how the switch works," says G                   Farid Neema, president of Strategic Research in Santa "                   Barbara, Calif.   E                   Software zoning is not as robust as hardware zoning 5                   and can be more easily compromised.   < 	Here is where I admit my weakness... but then again I'm not; 	an all knowing Enterprise IT Architect... I am working off > 	3 month old memory and the backing store is over 40 years oldE 	and is getting flakier by the day with 3 kids chattering constantly, > 	etc.  plus with no hands on knowledge I can blather on quite < 	a bit but acknowledge I could do a better job explaining it@ 	(maybe ;) if I had the manuals from that session in front of me  	and a few months of experience.  = 	Hope this helps and maybe we get a few hands-on folks to pop  	in.   				Rob    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:21:03 GMT + From: tom@automatedtech.com (Tom Hickerson) ' Subject: Re: Apache CGI Install Problem 3 Message-ID: <3a4281e5.21650812@news.mindspring.com>   	 Followup:   E We did a fresh install on another CPU and CGI is working fine on that  box.      ' Does this sound like a TCP/IP problem ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:16:20 -0500 0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>" Subject: Re: DCPS flag page formatC Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-3AA51B.09162022122000@news.compaq.com>   8 In article <3A422F21.3F86A11A@iaf.fhg.de>, Theo Jakobus  <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de> wrote:   + Let me comment on your Christmas wish list!   B > An interface for PostScript Printer Description (PPD) files for ? > third-party PostScript printers. (We've Tektronix Phaser 740)   C Do you mean you want DCPS to read PPD files so you can add support  H yourself for unsupported printers?  (BTW, the Phaser 740 will likely be $ supported in the next DCPS release.)  ? > Support for the internet printing protocol http://www.pwg.org   - What value do you think IPP will add to DCPS?   I > An GUI like CUPS http://www.cups.org or http://www.easysw.com/printpro/   H There is a generic user printing interface, outdated as it may be, with D DECwindows Motif.  Did you want a GUI for printing, or for managing F queues?  I wonder what percentage of DCPS managers would like to have  such an X-Windows interface.   Paul   --  ,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 16:48:39 -0600 1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> , Subject: Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster8 Message-ID: <91u152$f3c$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>   Rich,   J Thanks for stopping by the newsgroups.  Your comments and insight are most welcome and appreciated.  I As the kid said to the state tropper in the Western Union TV commercial a , few years back;  "keep in touch".  Remember?   Dave...   > "Rich Dischler" <richard.dischler@compaq.com> wrote in message$ news:3A422390.D84088E1@compaq.com...; > As stated before, the DS20 was not easily rack mountable. ; > The DS20E is rack mountable (or pedestal) and has hotswap 5 > redundant power supplies, external fans, and disks.  > I > Note to Terry - I cannot comment much, but the statements attributed to K > you below are not totally correct. Not the model names nor speeds. It may  be4 > due to changes in planning since you last heard... >  > Rich Dischler 8 > Engineering Manager -   Uni and Dual Processor Systems > COMPAQ Alpha Volume Servers # > 508 467-9655  297-9655 (internal)  >  >  > Paul Repacholi wrote:  > : > > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > > D > > > DS10E is slated for 667MHz with 8MB cache, followed by 750MHz.	 Uncertain F > > > about faster followons. May require a system redesign (a la ES45	 Privateer ) > > > vs ES40) for the really fast stuff.  > > ; > > Which touches on something I've wondered about, and not ! > > found a good, indepth answer:  > > 5 > > What IS the diffence between a DS20 and a DS20E??  > >  > > --@ > > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,; > > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.2D > >                                              West Australia 60762 > > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked. >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 00:59:24 +0100s- From: "Taki Pioy" <nospam@localhost.spamwarn>e, Subject: Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster3 Message-ID: <BSw06.193$3U5.374@nntpserver.swip.net>   > "Rich Dischler" <richard.dischler@compaq.com> wrote in message$ news:3A4221C2.DE3EBEF3@compaq.com...6 > 278MHz, dual data rate (data clocked on both edges).2 > Sorry for the strong HW slant... it's what I do. >    Nothing to be sorry about.  :-)S  > And true HW details matters more to me than "Marketing Bytes".   Regards  /Fad     > Rich DischlerM8 > Engineering Manager -   Uni and Dual Processor Systems > COMPAQ Alpha Volume ServersM# > 508 467-9655  297-9655 (internal)  >  >n > Taki Pioy wrote: >lB > > "Rich Dischler" <richard.dischler@compaq.com> wrote in message( > > news:3A3FAB85.6F1D0DE7@compaq.com...? > > > The 667MHz EV67 CPU uses less power and creates less heat + > > > than the 500MHz EV6 CPU chip variant.C > > >e8 > > > The shrunken die features allow such an occurance.> > > > But, we cranked the cache from 4MB LateWrite to 8MB DDR. > > C > > On the 667 module's, what are the B-cache RAM parts cycle rate?M= > > 167, 222MHz or something else? (333, 444, ... data rate).o > >sE > > Are you hoping to crank the cache on the 21264B (?) even further,a! > > and using the 2/3 multiplier?  > >a > > Regards- > > /fad >r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:31:01 -0500 ' From: Jack Patteeuw <jpatteeu@ford.com> , Subject: Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster( Message-ID: <3A4365A5.429F96D2@ford.com>   Rich Dischler wrote: > 6 > 278MHz, dual data rate (data clocked on both edges).2 > Sorry for the strong HW slant... it's what I do.  E I surprised to read somewhere else that EV7 was going to use RAMBUS.  F Given the problems Intel had with their interface chip and the premiumA cost of RAMBUS and arrival of DDR I was surprised.  Any comments.o    
 Jack Patteeuw    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2000 16:58:38 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>r, Subject: Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun ClusterH Message-ID: <y4ofy4mor5.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ) Jack Patteeuw <jpatteeu@ford.com> writes:-  G > I surprised to read somewhere else that EV7 was going to use RAMBUS. lH > Given the problems Intel had with their interface chip and the premiumC > cost of RAMBUS and arrival of DDR I was surprised.  Any comments.r  F THe RAMBUS controllers will be on-chip, i.e., you can drive this thing$ more-or-less glue- and chipset-less.   	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2000 11:03:57 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)r, Subject: Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster+ Message-ID: <Y0utpGXO+fyG@eisner.decus.org>    In article <y4ofy4mor5.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:+ > Jack Patteeuw <jpatteeu@ford.com> writes:H > H >> I surprised to read somewhere else that EV7 was going to use RAMBUS. I >> Given the problems Intel had with their interface chip and the premiumCD >> cost of RAMBUS and arrival of DDR I was surprised.  Any comments. > H > THe RAMBUS controllers will be on-chip, i.e., you can drive this thing& > more-or-less glue- and chipset-less.  C Hearing that running VMS on an EV7 will require higher class memory(H than the cheapest Wintel box reminds me of the days when people grumbledK about the fact that to run VMS you had to buy that #$%&##$@% Parity Memory.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:59:09 GMTy4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>, Subject: Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster; Message-ID: <xLL06.23136$1t.793285@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>n  F "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message% news:Y0utpGXO+fyG@eisner.decus.org...u   re: Rambus memory on Marvel... >iE > Hearing that running VMS on an EV7 will require higher class memory J > than the cheapest Wintel box reminds me of the days when people grumbledE > about the fact that to run VMS you had to buy that #$%&##$@% Paritye Memory.   A You have a point there. Another is that current WildFi  ***LAWYER0L ALERT!!!!***, er GS-Series owners will have to replace all their memory (notK to mention QBBs, Global Switch, etc) when upgrading from GS-80/320 to GS480e status.N  A Of course, running Tru64 or Linux on an EV7 will also require thet "high-priced spread" memory.  
 charlie matcon   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2000 13:37:33 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young), Subject: Re: DS20 vs DS20E. Was: Sun Cluster+ Message-ID: <+BUX$wreIwRY@eisner.decus.org>t  r In article <xLL06.23136$1t.793285@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > H > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message' > news:Y0utpGXO+fyG@eisner.decus.org...e >   > re: Rambus memory on Marvel... >>F >> Hearing that running VMS on an EV7 will require higher class memoryK >> than the cheapest Wintel box reminds me of the days when people grumbledtF >> about the fact that to run VMS you had to buy that #$%&##$@% Parity	 > Memory.n > C > You have a point there. Another is that current WildFi  ***LAWYERtN > ALERT!!!!***, er GS-Series owners will have to replace all their memory (notM > to mention QBBs, Global Switch, etc) when upgrading from GS-80/320 to GS480 	 > status.? >   ; 	You bet.  But maybe if EV69 is real, there is a multi-yearh; 	upgrade path for current Wildfire owners and they actuallya; 	get cheaper boards and memory than Marvel owners?  Perhaps A 	this keeps the lawyers at bay if they extend them out?  Speaking > 	of lawyers... is there anyone in the world actually expectingB 	to make revenues off Itanium before the end of next year?  If so,? 	were they promised any revs this year?  Perhaps with all these > 	smart lawyers current Wildfire owners have some nice slippery3 	timelines and promises as Itanium wanna-be owners?   C > Of course, running Tru64 or Linux on an EV7 will also require the  > "high-priced spread" memory. >    	Yep.    				Robt   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:37:26 -0500r  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>% Subject: Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.055 Message-ID: <1001221171420.2970A-100000@Ives.egh.com>m  ( On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Peter Weaver wrote:  ; > "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.decus.org> wrote in messaget' > news:oPT9pbKUxcSe@eisner.decus.org... E > > In article <1001221021417.3113B-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos  > <JOHN@egh.com> writes: > >cD > > > Does anyone know the reverse case?  (Takeoff is mandatory, but > > > landing is optional?)d > > D > >   I know that Air Force One has taken off more times than it has	 > landed,o( > >   but it's not the aircraft's fault. > H > At the risk of creating another "Technology of US elections" thread, I
 > give up. > H > What happened 7 times where the takeoff was mandatory and the landingsA > optional? And how did Air Force One take off more times that it 	 > landed?    Hint #2: Grumman Aircraft Co.s   --   John Santost Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2000 21:06:22 -0500/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)l% Subject: Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0 * Message-ID: <91ucuu$dd0$1@lisa.gemair.com>  + In article <Al3iAx2noIxw@eisner.decus.org>,l- Bob Koehler <koehler@eisner.decus.org> wrote:ue >In article <93q06.101244$Z2.1206232@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> writes:i >> 3I >> What happened 7 times where the takeoff was mandatory and the landingsmB >> optional? And how did Air Force One take off more times that it
 >> landed? >-G >   It's only Air Force One as long as the President is on it.  RichardSH >   Nixon was still President when he got on it and it departed Andrews H >   but it became simply Air Force N26000 (or was it N27000) when Gerry 4 >   Ford was sworn in while it was still in the air. >p  C Yes, but isn't that incident couterbalanced by Lyndon Johnson beingsF sworn in as President after Kennedy's assassination while on Air Force) 2 (which immediately became Air Force 1)?e  E >   Usually the aircraft is loaned to the departing president, but he C >   doesn't actually leave until after the Inauguration so it's noth) >   Air Force One while he's flying away.? >k2 >   I wonder if Bill is going to NY or Georgetown? >lG >----------------------------------------------------------------------0@ >Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation> >NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupF >                                | please remove ".aspm" when replying   -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 07:56:19 GMT + From: John Santos <john.santos@verizon.net> % Subject: Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0r= Message-ID: <MPG.14acd36e9708e4f9896a6@news.bellatlantic.net>u  E In article <OF5A8C5333.EA6CAF20-ON882569BC.0062998F@foundation.com>, n# Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com says...  > M > I took off once but didn't land in the plane, does that count? (Parachutingn > for charity) >  > ShaneA >   > Sorry, no... You did land, you just weren't in the airplane at the time...i  6 > John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> on 12/20/2000 11:16:41 PM >  > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma > cc:a > ( > Subject:  Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0 >  > * > On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Peter Weaver wrote: > [...]a > > -- > >   RULES OF THE AIR > >   -----------------s@ > >   #1. Every takeoff is optional. Every landing is mandatory. > @ > Does anyone know the reverse case?  (Takeoff is mandatory, but > landing is optional?)o > C > Hint: There have been 7 instances, and in one case they exercisedN
 > the option.r  9 I meant here the option not to land, if that was unclear.e   --   John Santosy   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 07:56:30 GMTM+ From: John Santos <john.santos@verizon.net>a% Subject: Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0s> Message-ID: <MPG.14acd28957e874049896a5@news.bellatlantic.net>  I In article <91ucuu$dd0$1@lisa.gemair.com>, jordan@lisa.gemair.com says...i- > In article <Al3iAx2noIxw@eisner.decus.org>, / > Bob Koehler <koehler@eisner.decus.org> wrote:ag > >In article <93q06.101244$Z2.1206232@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> writes:h > >> aK > >> What happened 7 times where the takeoff was mandatory and the landingsdD > >> optional? And how did Air Force One take off more times that it > >> landed? > >    Wrong track ;-)t  I > >   It's only Air Force One as long as the President is on it.  Richard)J > >   Nixon was still President when he got on it and it departed Andrews J > >   but it became simply Air Force N26000 (or was it N27000) when Gerry 6 > >   Ford was sworn in while it was still in the air. > >e > E > Yes, but isn't that incident couterbalanced by Lyndon Johnson being/H > sworn in as President after Kennedy's assassination while on Air Force+ > 2 (which immediately became Air Force 1)?   H I'm not sure, but I think Johnson was sworn in while the plane was still* on the ground in Dallas, by a local judge.  C Beside, wasn't Kennedy's body transported back to Washington on thewC same plane, which would have made this Air Force One if it took offd' before Johnson took the oath of office?   G > >   Usually the aircraft is loaned to the departing president, but he E > >   doesn't actually leave until after the Inauguration so it's not + > >   Air Force One while he's flying away.^ > >^4 > >   I wonder if Bill is going to NY or Georgetown? > >^I > >----------------------------------------------------------------------oB > >Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation@ > >NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupH > >                                | please remove ".aspm" when replying  4 Bob, you of all people on the group should get it... >  > -Jordan Henderson  > jordan@greenapple.com  >    --   John Santosf   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2000 08:00:35 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)% Subject: Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0m+ Message-ID: <UUH2MoVu+Q3e@eisner.decus.org>   \ In article <91ucuu$dd0$1@lisa.gemair.com>, jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) writes:- > In article <Al3iAx2noIxw@eisner.decus.org>,e > E > Yes, but isn't that incident couterbalanced by Lyndon Johnson being H > sworn in as President after Kennedy's assassination while on Air Force+ > 2 (which immediately became Air Force 1)?  >   C No.  Legally he was President as soon as Kennedy died.  The way thecE Constitution is written, it's extreemly hard to not have a President.i? And Kennedy's body was on the plane, so if the Constitution was E different it potentially could have still taken off as Air Force One.u  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationt= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyinge   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2000 08:46:59 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)% Subject: Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.01+ Message-ID: <nktPs2wny0Hk@eisner.decus.org>c  l In article <MPG.14acd28957e874049896a5@news.bellatlantic.net>, John Santos <john.santos@verizon.net> writes:  6 > Bob, you of all people on the group should get it...  + Is Spider still up there?  That would be 7.c  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationt= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupnE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingl   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 17:21:23 GMT + From: John Santos <john.santos@verizon.net>p% Subject: Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0s> Message-ID: <MPG.14ad57dbc709ad4e9896aa@news.bellatlantic.net>  6 In article <nktPs2wny0Hk@eisner.decus.org>, you say...n > In article <MPG.14acd28957e874049896a5@news.bellatlantic.net>, John Santos <john.santos@verizon.net> writes: > 8 > > Bob, you of all people on the group should get it... > - > Is Spider still up there?  That would be 7.  > H > ----------------------------------------------------------------------A > Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporations? > NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group.G >                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingr  H I was thinking of Aquarius.  Spider (and Snoopy) were never intended to  land.s  A I'm not sure if any LM's are still in orbit.  The later ones were"A crashed deliberately to test the seismic detectors.  I don't knowd about Spider or Eagle.   -- s John Santos4   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2000 13:22:19 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)% Subject: Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0 + Message-ID: <wK7TpD7nkVEm@eisner.decus.org>d  l In article <MPG.14ad57dbc709ad4e9896aa@news.bellatlantic.net>, John Santos <john.santos@verizon.net> writes:  J > I was thinking of Aquarius.  Spider (and Snoopy) were never intended to  > land.s > C > I'm not sure if any LM's are still in orbit.  The later ones werenC > crashed deliberately to test the seismic detectors.  I don't know6 > about Spider or Eagle.  C 10 were flown (Apollo 5, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17), 9 weres manned (not Apollo 5).    G Aquarius reentered Earth's atmosphere.  At least Intrepid, Antares, andHH Challenger were were intentionally crashed into the moon.  So at least 4G landed.  Spider is the only one I'm fairly sure was left in Earth orbit G (the unnamed Apollo 5 LM may have been, but we're not counting unmanned H vehicles; both may have been de-orbitted by ground command).  Falcon andF Orion may have also been run into the moon.  I think Eagle is in solar orbit, Snoopy may be, too.  G So anywhere from one to five manned flying craft were abandon in flight D with no landing plans.  (I'm sure NORAD knows the correct number andH where they are.)  Seven are distinct in having first been landed manned,D then taken off manned, which is not the usual order for a single useC vehicle.  But all seven performed exactly the same number of manned-B landings as manned take-offs, which matches norm, unless you count) leaving Earth attached to a manned craft.   H I think Challenger is the only manned spacecraft name ever re-used.  For; the near future such action might now be taken as bad luck.t  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationi= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupSE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingn   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:18:18 +0100@+ From: "Per Berg Nissen" <pbni@lundbeck.com>8? Subject: Re: Elsa Gloria screen device not found at XP1000 boote. Message-ID: <J7E06.41$UF3.996@news.get2net.dk>  5 Maybe you should try the VMS721_GRAPHICS-V0300 patch.a  * As far as I remember it solved my problem.   Regards     /Perm   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:25:32 +0100a- From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>s? Subject: Re: Elsa Gloria screen device not found at XP1000 booti3 Message-ID: <3A43483C.54BDCB63@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>a   Horst Drechsel wrote:u > 	 > Hi all,a > 8 >    Re: XP1000 / VMS 7.2-1 / Elsa Gloria Synergy (GZA0) > H > Our problem: when booting the XP1000, DECwindows won't start, claiming > ! >              Number of screens::- >              Screen devices and order: NONEr > A > i.e. the graphics card is not properly recognized at boot time.kG > However, if you then login without X environment, one can explicitely  > start DECwindows bye > * >              $ @SYS$STARTUP:DECW$STARTUP > L > which will successfully bring up DECwindows (automatically using "GZA0" as > screen device).  > F I had a simmilar problem when I installed my XP1000. In my case it was a license problem:D    I got a VMS-base license of 12 units but the XP1000 required a 15        unit license.F If you have this problem VMS tells you while starting up that there isD a license problem. However, it seems that it starts-up and functions7 normally except for the following (as far as I noticed)r>        -DECWindows does not start up automatically, but worked"          when starting it manuallyD        -DECNET's set host worked only one way around (I forgot if it%           was to or from the machine)B                            Jouk.   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Dec 2000 18:39:36 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)? Subject: Re: Elsa Gloria screen device not found at XP1000 boot 6 Message-ID: <920758$irr$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  u In article <009F4EC9.727FF399.1@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de>, Horst Drechsel <ai05@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de> writes:c :.7 :   Re: XP1000 / VMS 7.2-1 / Elsa Gloria Synergy (GZA0)n :oG :Our problem: when booting the XP1000, DECwindows won't start, claimings :r  :             Number of screens:, :             Screen devices and order: NONE :m@ :i.e. the graphics card is not properly recognized at boot time.    H   Please check the OpenVMS FAQ -- there are some details of getting the J   ELSA Gloria Synergy configured and operating on various OpenVMS versionsI   included there...   Also ensure your SRM console firmware is current...iB   And check the WINDOW_SYSTEM setting, as referenced in the FAQ...  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:52:14 GMTu* From: "Nikita V. Belenki" <kit@nospam.net>/ Subject: Re: Enterprise Architect hard at work!i; Message-ID: <iYu06.2837$1%2.125473@sjc-read.news.verio.net>o  = "andrew harrison" <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote in message $ news:3A423C94.D36CCA05@uk.sun.com...  - > Nice to see that you are still posting FUD,i  F Dunno about "fear", but I don't see "uncertainity" or "doubt" there ;)   Kit. kit # kits.net   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2000 10:09:55 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>/ Subject: Re: Enterprise Architect hard at work!r0 Message-ID: <87ae9pjjf0.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  2 andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:  A > You were the person after all who suggested that the Australianu< > HPC system had failed its acceptance tests because it was ; > unreliable and you even suggested that they were waiting -< > for mirrored ecache. Another speculation on your part that! > proves to have been incorrect. D  ! WE is this proof he is incorrect?g   1) Sun failed the tests.6 2) A new RFP is on the APAC site for those interested.4 3) "The bloody thing won't stay up..." from daughter    in Camberra.:8 4) Other rumour from 'close' at hand is that performance*    was less than spectacular, or promised.  : Why don't you post the docs from Sun's side Andrew? Remove all doubt...   -- n< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.u@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2000 17:20:16 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)0 Subject: RE: Error After Adding New Network Card* Message-ID: <3a437f40$1@news.kapsch.co.at>   In article <6FACDDDFBD7BD411B38100D0B7B0CDCC40B5FC@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>, "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> writes:L >Yep, I just got off the phone with the CSC an learned that the EWB-0 deviceM >is referenced as EWA-1 when used in network configurations such as DECnet or C >TCP/IP.  What I didn't ask them was where this is mentioned in thetE >documentation.  Thanks for your response, but did you learn about bysE >accident as we just did or is it explained in the doc set somewhere?w  G Sorry, no. It was no accident. I know this for umpteen years now. But IwJ can't remember where I got if from, training, manual or help. I don't know' where it is documented now (if ever)...    --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888u< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:18:24 -0600T/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>00 Subject: Re: Error After Adding New Network Card3 Message-ID: <3A439AF0.BE6C5558@applied-synergy.com>    "Stuart, Ed" wrote:  > M > Yep, I just got off the phone with the CSC an learned that the EWB-0 deviceiN > is referenced as EWA-1 when used in network configurations such as DECnet orD > TCP/IP.  What I didn't ask them was where this is mentioned in theF > documentation.  Thanks for your response, but did you learn about byF > accident as we just did or is it explained in the doc set somewhere?  H When moving to new hardware, I usually run SYS$MANAGER:NETCONFIG.COM andH let it detect the hardware.  When NETCONFIG displays the changes that it0 wants to make, you can see the new device names.  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------n$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com l   Fax: 817-237-3074u   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Dec 2000 21:54:36 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)1 Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich MarcellloW+ Message-ID: <91tu6s$gr@gap.cco.caltech.edu>n  x In article <OFB17542D1.24A7E72A-ON032569BC.00496CF4@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes: >Click >n7 >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/happyholidays/index.html  >  >And from me too ! :-)  , The perfect Season's Greeting from Compaq!    E Nothing says "we really don't understand our customers" better than asI holiday message that cannot be viewed on the only supported (sic) browsertK for the OS which is the bread and butter product of the group in question. 'I Unless, that is, it's the link to an alternate player for said multimedia)H document - which ALSO cannot be used on VMS.  (For those of you who haveK not read the page source code, and aren't on Macs or PCs, it's a Macromedia  shockwave document.) s  E Steve Jobs would sooner be caught molesting livestock than using a PClF in place of his Mac.  Ditto for the heads of GM and Ford - you're justK never going to see one driving the competition's product. Doubtless RM's PCSB has "Compaq" stamped on it, but what's running inside is still hisB competitor's software.  What message does RM think it sends to his> customers when the VP in charge of OpenVMS only uses Windows?   H I suggest that the VMS engineers arrange for RM to be stripped of his PCK and forced to use a DS10, and nothing but a DS10, for all of 2001.   (Or ataG least for a couple of weeks.)  Perhaps the VP in charge of OpenVMS willAK understand our viewpoint a little better after he actually USES some of the.  products his division produces!     	 Regards, p   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edur? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech e   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:11:26 GMT24 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>1 Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo ; Message-ID: <iev06.21413$1t.702698@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>.  J > I suggest that the VMS engineers arrange for RM to be stripped of his PCJ > and forced to use a DS10, and nothing but a DS10, for all of 2001.   (Or atI > least for a couple of weeks.)  Perhaps the VP in charge of OpenVMS williI > understand our viewpoint a little better after he actually USES some ofi the ! > products his division produces!n  L Which no doubt will allow him to wave a magic wand and get Shockwave and all3 those personal productivity apps ported to OpenVMS.S  	 Umm hmmm.a  H A more pertinent question might be, what software does Rich M use in hisK music studio in the basement? I rather doubt it's VMS, nor will it ever be.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:39:36 -0500e' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>r1 Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo1( Message-ID: <91u7n1$98b$1@pyrite.mv.net>  = Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messaged5 news:iev06.21413$1t.702698@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...g >  >>L > > I suggest that the VMS engineers arrange for RM to be stripped of his PCL > > and forced to use a DS10, and nothing but a DS10, for all of 2001.   (Or > atK > > least for a couple of weeks.)  Perhaps the VP in charge of OpenVMS willtK > > understand our viewpoint a little better after he actually USES some of7 > thee# > > products his division produces!l >tJ > Which no doubt will allow him to wave a magic wand and get Shockwave and ally5 > those personal productivity apps ported to OpenVMS.e >d > Umm hmmm.t  H I suspect the point was that he would become more in touch with both theG product's strengths and its weaknesses, and the reasons why some peoplet; would like to see more activity aimed at fixing the latter.e   >bJ > A more pertinent question might be, what software does Rich M use in hisI > music studio in the basement? I rather doubt it's VMS, nor will it evere be.   L The really pertinent question remains how he could be so galactically stupidL as to produce a greeting to VMS-land that can't be appreciated on VMS.  EvenK if he's well aware of that and just assumes everyone has access to a PC, he D clearly has no understanding of how galling it can be in the present climate.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 04:04:11 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)1 Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllop; Message-ID: <3a42c4ab.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>o  F Sorry, but I don't really understand all the fuzz. If Compaq addressesA VMS users, they're accused of preaching to the choir. And if they F address the rest of the world (or most of it, i.e. WinDoze users), the< VMS users mourn that they can't view it on their machines...  B IMHO, NT really is a nice OS - for a client machine. With a decentG terminal emulator (KEA!, Reflection, or CKermit), an X server (eXceed),<F Opera, and perhaps an NFS client or Samba on the VMS side, you're set.   cu,n   Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de N One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:08:16 -0600f7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>r1 Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo-- Message-ID: <3A42D3B0.17A6ECA5@earthlink.net>    Martin Vorlaender wrote: > H > Sorry, but I don't really understand all the fuzz. If Compaq addressesC > VMS users, they're accused of preaching to the choir. And if theyrH > address the rest of the world (or most of it, i.e. WinDoze users), the> > VMS users mourn that they can't view it on their machines...  G That seems to sum it up very well. Seems strange that you can say it so D eloquently and yet not understand it. Exactly which part do you find elusive?  n6 > IMHO, NT really is a nice OS - for a client machine.  G Since when? Has there been a major breakthrough in reliability that the # rest of the world has not yet seen?-   > With a decent-I > terminal emulator (KEA!, Reflection, or CKermit), an X server (eXceed),tH > Opera, and perhaps an NFS client or Samba on the VMS side, you're set.  B Seems a lot of expense/frustration just to make up for the lack of foresight at "OpenVMS, Inc.".   B Hhmmm... "OpenVMS, Inc." T'would take a SPITload of bux to buy theG rights (not to mention the product). I wonder if Interventures is still1 looking for new investments...   -- . David J. Dachtera< dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.n   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Dec 2000 10:37:26 GMT( From: brian-DOT-mcneil@easynet.be (BMcN)1 Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo . Message-ID: <Xns90127C23CBMcN@212.100.160.123>  L On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:09:49 GMT, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote message > <OF01789E0F.DE0E2623-ON882569BC.00639710@foundation.com> . . .   >oF >Seconded, Brian. How can we take them seriously when even the OpenVMSJ >greetings message won't run on VMS? Someone in the same building as Rich,6 >please go and hit him with something will you please? >OL >IIRC his address would be Richard.Marcello@compaq.com, and I'm about to use >it. >7 >Shane  0 Send him something that will only run on VMS ;-)   -- o+ Reply to brian<dot>mcneil<at>easynet<dot>bes  - The crux of the biscuit is the Apostrophe (')  - F.Z.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:59:09 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)k1 Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcellloo0 Message-ID: <009F4F6D.254F6083@SendSpamHere.ORG>  h In article <OF01789E0F.DE0E2623-ON882569BC.00639710@foundation.com>, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes: >gF >Seconded, Brian. How can we take them seriously when even the OpenVMSJ >greetings message won't run on VMS? Someone in the same building as Rich,6 >please go and hit him with something will you please? >nL >IIRC his address would be Richard.Marcello@compaq.com, and I'm about to use >it. >a >Shane  F I can't condone violence for the simple act of loyal customer neglect.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMi             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:02:01 GMTh= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)e1 Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllod0 Message-ID: <009F4F6D.8C129C23@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Y In article <Xns90127C23CBMcN@212.100.160.123>, brian-DOT-mcneil@easynet.be (BMcN) writes:nM >On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:09:49 GMT, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote message e? ><OF01789E0F.DE0E2623-ON882569BC.00639710@foundation.com> . . .- >- >>G >>Seconded, Brian. How can we take them seriously when even the OpenVMS K >>greetings message won't run on VMS? Someone in the same building as Rich, 7 >>please go and hit him with something will you please?h >>M >>IIRC his address would be Richard.Marcello@compaq.com, and I'm about to use0 >>it.r >> >>Shane  >s1 >Send him something that will only run on VMS ;-)s   Care to post it here too?0   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMS            VO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------   Date: 22 Dec 2000 13:54:38 GMT* From: bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler)1 Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllon3 Message-ID: <91vmeu$p60$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>B  . In article <Xns90127C23CBMcN@212.100.160.123>,+ 	brian-DOT-mcneil@easynet.be (BMcN) writes:.N > On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:09:49 GMT, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote message @ > <OF01789E0F.DE0E2623-ON882569BC.00639710@foundation.com> . . . >  >>G >>Seconded, Brian. How can we take them seriously when even the OpenVMSdK >>greetings message won't run on VMS? Someone in the same building as Rich,o7 >>please go and hit him with something will you please?s >>M >>IIRC his address would be Richard.Marcello@compaq.com, and I'm about to use  >>it.p >> >>Shanea > 2 > Send him something that will only run on VMS ;-) >   N Yeah, but if its an EXE, windows will try to run it (despite its not a windowsI EXE) and then give the blue screen of death (most probably).  Maybe it is F a fitting greeting after all....A .com file would work just as well :)  H It is pretty appalling...especially for a message which could have been # represented just as easily in text.   
 Brian Wheeler  bdwheele@indiana.edu   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Dec 2000 14:09:58 GMT( From: brian-DOT-mcneil@easynet.be (BMcN)1 Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllot. Message-ID: <Xns901290B60BMcN@212.100.160.123>  F On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:54:38 GMT, bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler)< wrote message <91vmeu$p60$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu> . . .    >> a3 >> Send him something that will only run on VMS ;-)a >> 0 >bG >Yeah, but if its an EXE, windows will try to run it (despite its not aeF >windows EXE) and then give the blue screen of death (most probably). H >Maybe it is a fitting greeting after all....A .com file would work just >as well :)   E No, it'll say "LOGINOUT.EXE is not a valid Win32 application.". I wast0 surprised it qualified the statement.      ^^^^^  ! And for Win .EXEs on VMS it says:o/ %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image WININITo( -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file WININIT.EXE;18 -IMGACT-F-NOTNATIVE, image is not an OpenVMS Alpha image  I >It is pretty appalling...especially for a message which could have been e$ >represented just as easily in text.   Agreed.M   >Brian Wheeler >bdwheele@indiana.eduh     -- I+ Reply to brian<dot>mcneil<at>easynet<dot>be.  - The crux of the biscuit is the Apostrophe (')o - F.Z.   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Dec 2000 14:17:22 GMT* From: bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler)1 Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo03 Message-ID: <91vnpi$pa3$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>.  . In article <Xns901290B60BMcN@212.100.160.123>,+ 	brian-DOT-mcneil@easynet.be (BMcN) writes:rH > On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:54:38 GMT, bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler)> > wrote message <91vmeu$p60$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu> . . .  >  >>> 4 >>> Send him something that will only run on VMS ;-) >>>  >>H >>Yeah, but if its an EXE, windows will try to run it (despite its not aG >>windows EXE) and then give the blue screen of death (most probably). cI >>Maybe it is a fitting greeting after all....A .com file would work justk
 >>as well :)   > G > No, it'll say "LOGINOUT.EXE is not a valid Win32 application.". I was.2 > surprised it qualified the statement.      ^^^^^  I Which windows is this?  Maybe it was 95 which would let me do it :)  .COMbK files should still work since, by definition, they're just a dump of memory ( on windows.  I think I'll go try it out.  
 Brian Wheelert bdwheele@indiana.edu     > # > And for Win .EXEs on VMS it says:r1 > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image WININIT * > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file WININIT.EXE;1: > -IMGACT-F-NOTNATIVE, image is not an OpenVMS Alpha image > J >>It is pretty appalling...especially for a message which could have been % >>represented just as easily in text.' > 	 > Agreed.d >  >>Brian Wheelern >>bdwheele@indiana.edu >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:50:38 -060091 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> 1 Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcellloa8 Message-ID: <91vpgd$nb6$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  I We should put this thread in a time capsule and have someone open it in apJ decade or 3 and observe their reaction to it.  If it were me reading theseK words then, I would use the term BAH, HUMBUG to describe its contents.  HowD
 about you?  I In the spirit of the season, (not MS Vs VMS wars) I think what RM did wasi- OK.  Others will no doubt disagree.  Oh well.p  7 2K years ago, when this started, none of this mattered.e  3 I suspect 2K years from now, it still won't matter.h  C Happy Holidays and may the gods of 01 look with favor upon you all.i   Dave...t  B "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message' news:3A42D3B0.17A6ECA5@earthlink.net...l > Martin Vorlaender wrote: > > J > > Sorry, but I don't really understand all the fuzz. If Compaq addressesE > > VMS users, they're accused of preaching to the choir. And if theynJ > > address the rest of the world (or most of it, i.e. WinDoze users), the@ > > VMS users mourn that they can't view it on their machines... >nI > That seems to sum it up very well. Seems strange that you can say it so F > eloquently and yet not understand it. Exactly which part do you find
 > elusive? >s8 > > IMHO, NT really is a nice OS - for a client machine. >0I > Since when? Has there been a major breakthrough in reliability that the:% > rest of the world has not yet seen?d >e > > With a decent.K > > terminal emulator (KEA!, Reflection, or CKermit), an X server (eXceed), J > > Opera, and perhaps an NFS client or Samba on the VMS side, you're set. >sD > Seems a lot of expense/frustration just to make up for the lack of > foresight at "OpenVMS, Inc.".r >hD > Hhmmm... "OpenVMS, Inc." T'would take a SPITload of bux to buy theI > rights (not to mention the product). I wonder if Interventures is stillh  > looking for new investments... >o > -- > David J. Dachteran > dba DJE SystemsF > http://www.djesys.com/ > < > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  >eH > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. >iB > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. >iH > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.:   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2000 10:29:29 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>1 Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcellloc0 Message-ID: <877l4tjiie.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  : Since no one has posted Compaq's mail bounce yet, I'll add it to the Xmas cheer ;). ===m  % Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 08:07:39 -0600  X-MS-Embedded-Report:  Content-Type: multipart/mixed;1 	boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C068FB.E17004CE"n  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_000_01C068FB.E17004CEe Content-Type: text/plain   Your message ====...r  7 this is the first example of someone who seems PROUD ofn4 a potentially unreadable error message. Bloody hell," my kids could do better than this.  < Perhaps some one could ensure Santa has a spare CLUE when he heads Texas way.   -- c< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.e@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:24:52 -0500i' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> 1 Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllos( Message-ID: <9202jv$mco$1@pyrite.mv.net>  : Dave Gudewicz <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> wrote in message2 news:91vpgd$nb6$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com...K > We should put this thread in a time capsule and have someone open it in avL > decade or 3 and observe their reaction to it.  If it were me reading theseH > words then, I would use the term BAH, HUMBUG to describe its contents. Howr > about you?  F Very likely - because by then, with high probability, the putative VMSL renaissance will have been seen to be as inconsequential as this thread, andJ no one will care about VMS any more (save for those people happy to run itI pretty much as-is forever, assuming Compaq holds to its COE commitments).uL So this thread will simply be seen, correctly, as just so much more bleatingI by sheep unwilling or unable to summon up the courage to take more directeJ action to make Compaq take an unequivocal position (the same position bothJ inside and outside the VMS coterie) on its commitment (or lack thereof) to
 VMS's future.s  L Or, with much lower probability, Compaq's fading fortunes (and infinitesimalH margins) in the PC market will have forced it to revive VMS (right aboutH now, since the possibility of doing so seems likely to fade rapidly withI time) in self-defense, despite its internal reluctance to do so, and thisrC thread will be seen to have had negligible impact on that decision.   I The only way this thread could be significant would be if it helps inciteRD the sheep to real action - whether that action results in a real VMSF commitment from Compaq or simply helps the sheep decide to abandon VMSH before their reliance upon it gets them into trouble.  I don't know what that probability may be.   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Dec 2000 18:37:19 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)1 Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich MarcellloV6 Message-ID: <92070v$irr$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  p In article <009F4EB8.2FEF6B79@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:  J :... and a greeting .EXE message from Rich too.  Can we take him or CompaqJ :seriously when the .EXE is a monopoly$chlock image and not one which willK :run on VMS?  When they do things like this, it is so difficult to keep thee	 :faith...t  G   As I and as various other folks do not accept and do not run emailed vJ   executable code as a general rule, and as unpacking the Microsoft-based I   executables in question (and run them on OpenVMS) will clearly fail, I a8   won't happen see these particular marketing materials.  F   Hmmm...  Refresh my memory...  Why is this is a problem for me?  :-)  F   Seriously, there are folks that do accept and do run these marketingF   widgets, and do find them interesting.  I will suggest an "opt-out" F   mechanism for those folks on the email distribution list that do notF   accept these or cannot process these...  Or would you prefer to haveH   these duplicated, so that you can receive a parallel set of X Windows >   marketing distributions for execution directly on OpenVMS?    G   All that said, and as should be clear from my earlier statements of, rK   um, paranoia, I'd personally be no more likely to run emailed executable dG   images on my OpenVMS system than run emailed Microsoft executables...o  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:43:33 GMT + From: bskidmore@iquest.net (Barry Skidmore)o+ Subject: How to Invoke Conversational Boot? / Message-ID: <3a4294f9.79257534@news.iquest.net>t  D I need to invoke a conversational boot on a MicroVAX 3100-40 runningB OpenVMS 7.2, so that I can bypass SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM.  The manual IA have, unfortunately, does not tell me how to invoke SYSBOOT on my. system.a   Thanks,a Barry.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:54:46 -050009 From: "Steven Shamlian" <not dot an at earthling dot net>r/ Subject: Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?l2 Message-ID: <91u588$756$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>   Tryn
 boot /r5:1 at the >>> prompt. =+=Steven Shamlian=+=e  8 "Barry Skidmore" <bskidmore@iquest.net> wrote in message) news:3a4294f9.79257534@news.iquest.net...fF > I need to invoke a conversational boot on a MicroVAX 3100-40 runningD > OpenVMS 7.2, so that I can bypass SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM.  The manual IC > have, unfortunately, does not tell me how to invoke SYSBOOT on mya	 > system.l >e	 > Thanks,t > Barryr   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 01:16:35 GMT + From: bskidmore@iquest.net (Barry Skidmore) / Subject: Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?a/ Message-ID: <3a42a90d.84398969@news.iquest.net>e   Steven,i  B boot /r5:1 invoked SYSBOOT as you suggested.  I was able to bypass) SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM by doing the following:    SYSBOOT> SET STARTUP_P1 "MIN"d SYSBOOT> CONTINUEe    = However, I am unable to do a full boot now.  I have tried theo
 following:   $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:SYSGEN. SYSGEN> SET STARTUP_P1 " " SYSGEN> SHOW STARTUP_P1y STARTUP_P1 = "   " SYSGEN> WRITE CURRENTI SYSGEN> EXIT  F If I re-run SYSGEN, and do a SHOW STARTUP_P1, it shows again as "MIN".# I am obviously missing a step here.d   Barry/  D On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:54:46 -0500, "Steven Shamlian" <not dot an at earthling dot net> wrote:    >Try >boot /r5:1r >at the >>> prompt.  >=+=Steven Shamlian=+= > 9 >"Barry Skidmore" <bskidmore@iquest.net> wrote in messagef* >news:3a4294f9.79257534@news.iquest.net...G >> I need to invoke a conversational boot on a MicroVAX 3100-40 runningrE >> OpenVMS 7.2, so that I can bypass SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM.  The manual IGD >> have, unfortunately, does not tell me how to invoke SYSBOOT on my
 >> system. >>
 >> Thanks, >> Barry >X >0   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:53:37 -0500m9 From: "Steven Shamlian" <not dot an at earthling dot net>2/ Subject: Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?n2 Message-ID: <91uc5c$p9s$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>   Hmm.  Try this:tL Shutdown and halt the system.  Invoke SYSBOOT, and set STARTUP_P1 to "" likeH you tried in SYSGEN, and then C(ontinue).  It should 'stick' after that.L I've had a similar problem, and that approach worked.  (You probably want toF reboot your machine after it reboots to see if it did, in fact, work.)
 Good luck! =+=Steven Shamlian=+=   8 "Barry Skidmore" <bskidmore@iquest.net> wrote in message) news:3a42a90d.84398969@news.iquest.net...e	 > Steven,9 > D > boot /r5:1 invoked SYSBOOT as you suggested.  I was able to bypass+ > SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM by doing the following:l >o > SYSBOOT> SET STARTUP_P1 "MIN"S > SYSBOOT> CONTINUEn >t >e? > However, I am unable to do a full boot now.  I have tried theF > following: >c > $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:SYSGENB > SYSGEN> SET STARTUP_P1 " " > SYSGEN> SHOW STARTUP_P1S > STARTUP_P1 = "   " > SYSGEN> WRITE CURRENTi > SYSGEN> EXIT > H > If I re-run SYSGEN, and do a SHOW STARTUP_P1, it shows again as "MIN".% > I am obviously missing a step here.@ >p > Barryn   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 04:08:00 +0100m2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)/ Subject: Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?a; Message-ID: <3a42c590.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>e  , Barry Skidmore (bskidmore@iquest.net) wrote:< : "Steven Shamlian" <not dot an at earthling dot net> wrote:3 : >"Barry Skidmore" <bskidmore@iquest.net> wrote...iI : >> I need to invoke a conversational boot on a MicroVAX 3100-40 runningl@ : >> OpenVMS 7.2, so that I can bypass SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM.  [...] : >n : >Try
 : >boot /r5:11 : >at the >>> prompt.i :aD : boot /r5:1 invoked SYSBOOT as you suggested.  I was able to bypass+ : SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM by doing the following:E ;D : SYSBOOT> SET STARTUP_P1 "MIN"a : SYSBOOT> CONTINUE  : - : However, I am unable to do a full boot now.l   The secret is to     SYSBOOT> SET WRITESYSPARAMS 0   E just before CONTINUEing. That way the "MIN" value doesn't get stored.i   cu,t   Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deeN One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 03:27:20 GMTn+ From: bskidmore@iquest.net (Barry Skidmore)-/ Subject: Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?8/ Message-ID: <3a42c844.92391146@news.iquest.net>   @ Well, it finally stuck with SYSGEN, but I will save your SYSBOOT% suggestion for the future, if needed. 
 -------------9C Can I ask you an unrelated question, about BACKUP.  I have had thisr0 problem with both BACKUP and Stand-Alone Backup:  - $ backup/image/record/verify/ignore=interlock00 _From: dka0:                   (the system disk)3 _To: dka300:image.sav          (external SCSI disk)e  F This (and also without the backup qualifiers), generates the following error message:  D %BACKUP-F-IMGFILSPE,/IMAGE Specification must have only device name.  = If I omit the "image.sav" from "dka300:image.sav", the backup,@ executes, but of course I get a file-by-file backup instead of a' save-set.  This is under OpenVMS 7.2.      Thanks,f Barry   D On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:53:37 -0500, "Steven Shamlian" <not dot an at earthling dot net> wrote:e   >Hmm.  Try this:M >Shutdown and halt the system.  Invoke SYSBOOT, and set STARTUP_P1 to "" likewI >you tried in SYSGEN, and then C(ontinue).  It should 'stick' after that.eM >I've had a similar problem, and that approach worked.  (You probably want toaG >reboot your machine after it reboots to see if it did, in fact, work.)  >Good luck!O >=+=Steven Shamlian=+= > 9 >"Barry Skidmore" <bskidmore@iquest.net> wrote in message-* >news:3a42a90d.84398969@news.iquest.net...
 >> Steven, >>E >> boot /r5:1 invoked SYSBOOT as you suggested.  I was able to bypassv, >> SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM by doing the following: >>  >> SYSBOOT> SET STARTUP_P1 "MIN" >> SYSBOOT> CONTINUE >> >>@ >> However, I am unable to do a full boot now.  I have tried the
 >> following:o >> >> $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:SYSGEN >> SYSGEN> SET STARTUP_P1 " "  >> SYSGEN> SHOW STARTUP_P1 >> STARTUP_P1 = "   "o >> SYSGEN> WRITE CURRENT >> SYSGEN> EXIT  >>I >> If I re-run SYSGEN, and do a SHOW STARTUP_P1, it shows again as "MIN".t& >> I am obviously missing a step here. >> >> Barry >  >V >i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:32:31 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>o/ Subject: Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?n- Message-ID: <3A42D95F.9C8FDD25@earthlink.net>e   Barry Skidmore wrote:s > 	 > Steven,. > D > boot /r5:1 invoked SYSBOOT as you suggested.  I was able to bypass+ > SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM by doing the following:r >  > SYSBOOT> SET STARTUP_P1 "MIN"' > SYSBOOT> CONTINUE- > ? > However, I am unable to do a full boot now.  I have tried thee > following: >  > $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:SYSGENH > SYSGEN> SET STARTUP_P1 " " > SYSGEN> SHOW STARTUP_P1$ > STARTUP_P1 = "   " > SYSGEN> WRITE CURRENT< > SYSGEN> EXIT > H > If I re-run SYSGEN, and do a SHOW STARTUP_P1, it shows again as "MIN".% > I am obviously missing a step here.a  D Yes. You're missing USE CURRENT before "SET STARTUP_P1". The defaultD action is to use the ACTIVE parameters (the running system), not theH CURRENT parameter set (what will be loaded at boot time). You're looking1 at ACTIVE and writing to CURRENT as things stand.b   -- e David J. Dachterar dba DJE Systemsb http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:04:18 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>M/ Subject: Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?G- Message-ID: <3A42E0D2.A3D40D9C@earthlink.net>N   Barry Skidmore wrote:e > B > Well, it finally stuck with SYSGEN, but I will save your SYSBOOT' > suggestion for the future, if needed.u > -------------eE > Can I ask you an unrelated question, about BACKUP.  I have had this 2 > problem with both BACKUP and Stand-Alone Backup: > / > $ backup/image/record/verify/ignore=interlockv2 > _From: dka0:                   (the system disk)5 > _To: dka300:image.sav          (external SCSI disk)b > H > This (and also without the backup qualifiers), generates the following > error message: > F > %BACKUP-F-IMGFILSPE,/IMAGE Specification must have only device name. > ? > If I omit the "image.sav" from "dka300:image.sav", the backupsB > executes, but of course I get a file-by-file backup instead of a' > save-set.  This is under OpenVMS 7.2.K  E SABKUP can't handle much beyond disks MOUNTed /FOREIGN, which it doest? implicitly. So, either try ddcu:[000000]saveset_filespec or try 9 something else, like minimal startup or boot from the CD.0   -- w David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:18:25 GMTt+ From: John Santos <john.santos@verizon.net> / Subject: Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?n> Message-ID: <MPG.14acd8a27a5237089896a7@news.bellatlantic.net>  E In article <3a42c844.92391146@news.iquest.net>, bskidmore@iquest.net r says...mB > Well, it finally stuck with SYSGEN, but I will save your SYSBOOT' > suggestion for the future, if needed.  > -------------oE > Can I ask you an unrelated question, about BACKUP.  I have had thisd2 > problem with both BACKUP and Stand-Alone Backup: > / > $ backup/image/record/verify/ignore=interlocks2 > _From: dka0:                   (the system disk)5 > _To: dka300:image.sav          (external SCSI disk)  >    _To: dka300:image.sav/save_set  E I'm not sure if this will work with SA backup, but it is required forkB online backup.  I know SA backup can read image save-sets.  That'sC how you do an initial install of VMS.  I'm not sure if it can writenC them.  As David Dachtera points out in another follow-up, SA backup E may not be smart enough to put the save-set anywhere but in [000000].t  H > This (and also without the backup qualifiers), generates the following > error message: > F > %BACKUP-F-IMGFILSPE,/IMAGE Specification must have only device name. > ? > If I omit the "image.sav" from "dka300:image.sav", the backup B > executes, but of course I get a file-by-file backup instead of a) > save-set.  This is under OpenVMS 7.2.  r > 	 > Thanks,l > Barryg > F > On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:53:37 -0500, "Steven Shamlian" <not dot an at > earthling dot net> wrote:  >  > >Hmm.  Try this:O > >Shutdown and halt the system.  Invoke SYSBOOT, and set STARTUP_P1 to "" like-K > >you tried in SYSGEN, and then C(ontinue).  It should 'stick' after that. O > >I've had a similar problem, and that approach worked.  (You probably want tofI > >reboot your machine after it reboots to see if it did, in fact, work.)_
 > >Good luck!7 > >=+=Steven Shamlian=+= > >n; > >"Barry Skidmore" <bskidmore@iquest.net> wrote in messagem, > >news:3a42a90d.84398969@news.iquest.net... > >> Steven, > >>G > >> boot /r5:1 invoked SYSBOOT as you suggested.  I was able to bypassd. > >> SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM by doing the following: > >>" > >> SYSBOOT> SET STARTUP_P1 "MIN" > >> SYSBOOT> CONTINUE > >> > >>B > >> However, I am unable to do a full boot now.  I have tried the > >> following:  > >> > >> $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:SYSGEN > >> SYSGEN> SET STARTUP_P1 " "s > >> SYSGEN> SHOW STARTUP_P1 > >> STARTUP_P1 = "   "a > >> SYSGEN> WRITE CURRENT > >> SYSGEN> EXITl > >>K > >> If I re-run SYSGEN, and do a SHOW STARTUP_P1, it shows again as "MIN". ( > >> I am obviously missing a step here. > >>  C SYSGEN reads and writes the sysgen parameters from one of 3 places:$; 1) CURRENT parameters (what VMS will see on the next boot.)aA 2) ACTIVE parameters (what's in memory right now, loaded from thenB CURRENT parameters but as modified by previous runs of SYSGEN thatA changed dynamic parameters with "WRITE ACTIVE" since you booted.) 
 3) a file.    This leads to two possibilities:  B I'm not sure what the default is when you run sysgen, but it mightB be ACTIVE, in which case you wouldn't see your change until you do a READ CURRENT.m  A If you misspelled CURRENT in your 1st attempt, SYSGEN will silent,D make a sys$system:currrent.par (or whatever.)  Look for unknown .PAR6 files with a timestamp matching your attempted change.  = (I need to get my VAX back up so I can check these things...)o  
 > >> Barry   Hope this helps.   --   John Santoso   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:08:50 -0500c- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> / Subject: Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?g( Message-ID: <3A43525E.7D18FDAB@ohio.edu>  N Stand-alone BACKUP has "always" been able to write savesets, at least to tape.N Going back to at least VMS 3.7 from my direct personal experience, but with noP indication that this was new.  It could also write multi-volume savesets to diskN (e.g., a full RA-81 --> multiple RA-60 packs), but I am pretty sure that those: were documented as having to be in the [000000] directory.  '                                     RDPS     John Santos wrote:    > _To: dka300:image.sav/save_set >aG > I'm not sure if this will work with SA backup, but it is required forkD > online backup.  I know SA backup can read image save-sets.  That'sE > how you do an initial install of VMS.  I'm not sure if it can writecE > them.  As David Dachtera points out in another follow-up, SA backuplG > may not be smart enough to put the save-set anywhere but in [000000].< >F
 > John Santose   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:50:10 GMTt+ From: bskidmore@iquest.net (Barry Skidmore)d/ Subject: Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?n0 Message-ID: <3a4385ee.140951849@news.iquest.net>  : Yes, the omission of the /save_set qualifier explained my B problem.  Online BACKUP works fine now, however /save_set does notE seem to fix the problem with Stand Alone Backup - the following error, occurs:e  = "%BACKUP-F-SAVSETCLU, save set disk cluster factor must be 1"d  ( Does anyone have any insights into this?   Barry   - On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:18:25 GMT, John Santosb  <john.santos@verizon.net> wrote:  F >In article <3a42c844.92391146@news.iquest.net>, bskidmore@iquest.net  >says...C >> Well, it finally stuck with SYSGEN, but I will save your SYSBOOTi( >> suggestion for the future, if needed. >> -------------F >> Can I ask you an unrelated question, about BACKUP.  I have had this3 >> problem with both BACKUP and Stand-Alone Backup:  >> t0 >> $ backup/image/record/verify/ignore=interlock3 >> _From: dka0:                   (the system disk)-6 >> _To: dka300:image.sav          (external SCSI disk) >>   >f >_To: dka300:image.sav/save_seti >rF >I'm not sure if this will work with SA backup, but it is required forC >online backup.  I know SA backup can read image save-sets.  That's D >how you do an initial install of VMS.  I'm not sure if it can writeD >them.  As David Dachtera points out in another follow-up, SA backupF >may not be smart enough to put the save-set anywhere but in [000000]. >YI >> This (and also without the backup qualifiers), generates the followingo >> error message:m >> yG >> %BACKUP-F-IMGFILSPE,/IMAGE Specification must have only device name., >> e@ >> If I omit the "image.sav" from "dka300:image.sav", the backupC >> executes, but of course I get a file-by-file backup instead of ae* >> save-set.  This is under OpenVMS 7.2.   >>  
 >> Thanks, >> Barry >> >G >> On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 20:53:37 -0500, "Steven Shamlian" <not dot an atn >> earthling dot net> wrote: >> . >> >Hmm.  Try this:nP >> >Shutdown and halt the system.  Invoke SYSBOOT, and set STARTUP_P1 to "" likeL >> >you tried in SYSGEN, and then C(ontinue).  It should 'stick' after that.P >> >I've had a similar problem, and that approach worked.  (You probably want toJ >> >reboot your machine after it reboots to see if it did, in fact, work.) >> >Good luck! >> >=+=Steven Shamlian=+=a >> >< >> >"Barry Skidmore" <bskidmore@iquest.net> wrote in message- >> >news:3a42a90d.84398969@news.iquest.net... 
 >> >> Steven,o >> >>1H >> >> boot /r5:1 invoked SYSBOOT as you suggested.  I was able to bypass/ >> >> SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM by doing the following:P >> >>N# >> >> SYSBOOT> SET STARTUP_P1 "MIN"I >> >> SYSBOOT> CONTINUEo >> >>  >> >> C >> >> However, I am unable to do a full boot now.  I have tried theU >> >> following: >> >>A >> >> $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:SYSGENY  >> >> SYSGEN> SET STARTUP_P1 " " >> >> SYSGEN> SHOW STARTUP_P1a >> >> STARTUP_P1 = "   " >> >> SYSGEN> WRITE CURRENTs >> >> SYSGEN> EXIT >> >> L >> >> If I re-run SYSGEN, and do a SHOW STARTUP_P1, it shows again as "MIN".) >> >> I am obviously missing a step here.  >> >>  > D >SYSGEN reads and writes the sysgen parameters from one of 3 places:< >1) CURRENT parameters (what VMS will see on the next boot.)B >2) ACTIVE parameters (what's in memory right now, loaded from theC >CURRENT parameters but as modified by previous runs of SYSGEN thatPB >changed dynamic parameters with "WRITE ACTIVE" since you booted.) >3) a file.S >O! >This leads to two possibilities:, >>C >I'm not sure what the default is when you run sysgen, but it might C >be ACTIVE, in which case you wouldn't see your change until you dog >a READ CURRENT. >RB >If you misspelled CURRENT in your 1st attempt, SYSGEN will silentE >make a sys$system:currrent.par (or whatever.)  Look for unknown .PARm7 >files with a timestamp matching your attempted change.e >n> >(I need to get my VAX back up so I can check these things...) >h >> >> Barryp >l >Hope this helps.c >o >--  >John Santos   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:04:17 -0500o- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>r/ Subject: Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?a4 Message-ID: <uQL06.102216$Z2.1216053@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  8 "Barry Skidmore" <bskidmore@iquest.net> wrote in message* news:3a4385ee.140951849@news.iquest.net...; > Yes, the omission of the /save_set qualifier explained my D > problem.  Online BACKUP works fine now, however /save_set does notA > seem to fix the problem with Stand Alone Backup - the followingB errorG	 > occurs:R >_? > "%BACKUP-F-SAVSETCLU, save set disk cluster factor must be 1"N >R* > Does anyone have any insights into this? > ...G  B I do not think you can use /SAVE_SET on Standalone backup, but youC could boot off the CD with the latest VAX distribution and it works-C almost as well as booting off the AXP distribution. Once booted youh> can use the full BACKUP.EXE to backup a system drive just like standalone.   C I did have one problem when booting a VAX off the CD. Since the VAXkC stores the date in a file in SYS$SYSTEM and only has a TOY clock in F hardware the time was off by a year when I booted. During the boot theF system asked if I wanted to change the time and when I answered that IF did the boot process went into a loop. Asking for the new time, trying@ to write the new time to SYS$SYSTEM:, failing since the file was% read-only, asking for the new time...u   --   RULES OF THE AIR   -----------------.<   #4. It's always better to be down here wishing you were up5       there than up there wishing you were down here.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 17:04:37 GMTM+ From: John Santos <john.santos@verizon.net> / Subject: Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?n> Message-ID: <MPG.14ad53e94eda05d29896a8@news.bellatlantic.net>  A In article <3A43525E.7D18FDAB@ohio.edu>, piccard@ohio.edu says...e > P > Stand-alone BACKUP has "always" been able to write savesets, at least to tape.  # Yup, engage brain before posting...a  P > Going back to at least VMS 3.7 from my direct personal experience, but with noR > indication that this was new.  It could also write multi-volume savesets to diskP > (e.g., a full RA-81 --> multiple RA-60 packs), but I am pretty sure that those< > were documented as having to be in the [000000] directory.  I I wasn't sure if multi-volume backup output was a saveset or some kind oflF unformatted raw disk.  A save-set on an ODS-2 structured volume makes H more sense, since you can put attributes on it (to remember /blocksize, H etc.) and you can mount it under VMS and be able to see what it is with 0 DIRECTORY, etc.  Helps with volume control, etc.   > ) >                                     RDPo >  >  > John Santos wrote: > " > > _To: dka300:image.sav/save_set  B I was trying to emphasize the /save_set qualifier, but it may have got lost in the noise.  I > > I'm not sure if this will work with SA backup, but it is required for F > > online backup.  I know SA backup can read image save-sets.  That'sG > > how you do an initial install of VMS.  I'm not sure if it can write G > > them.  As David Dachtera points out in another follow-up, SA backupeI > > may not be smart enough to put the save-set anywhere but in [000000].o   -- i John Santost   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Dec 2000 17:17:22 GMT From: ka2doug@cs.com (KA2DOUG)/ Subject: Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?w> Message-ID: <20001222121722.03957.00005724@ng-ct1.news.cs.com>   >I have had this1 >problem with both BACKUP and Stand-Alone Backup:e >i. >$ backup/image/record/verify/ignore=interlock1 >_From: dka0:                   (the system disk)v4 >_To: dka300:image.sav          (external SCSI disk) >SG >This (and also without the backup qualifiers), generates the followingm >error message:u >bE >%BACKUP-F-IMGFILSPE,/IMAGE Specification must have only device name.G >   K Under SA Backup, DKA300 isn't mounted so it doesn't understand directories. . Also, you wouldn't need the /ignore=interlock.  A Under full Backup, you need to use a complete output filespec, iesN dev:[directory]file.ext and explicitly use /save_set, which isn't assumed when output is to a disk.     -Douga    Doug@KirbyAssociates.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:09:24 -0600R/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>D/ Subject: Re: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?d3 Message-ID: <3A4398D4.F099B523@applied-synergy.com>d   Barry Skidmore wrote:. > 	 > Steven,  > D > boot /r5:1 invoked SYSBOOT as you suggested.  I was able to bypass+ > SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM by doing the following:  >  > SYSBOOT> SET STARTUP_P1 "MIN"t > SYSBOOT> CONTINUEh > ? > However, I am unable to do a full boot now.  I have tried theU > following: >  > $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:SYSGENU > SYSGEN> SET STARTUP_P1 " " > SYSGEN> SHOW STARTUP_P1  > STARTUP_P1 = "   " > SYSGEN> WRITE CURRENT1 > SYSGEN> EXIT > H > If I re-run SYSGEN, and do a SHOW STARTUP_P1, it shows again as "MIN".% > I am obviously missing a step here.f  F WRITE CURRENT writes the SYSGEN parameters which will be used the next time the system boots.  C When you run SYSGEN, it does an implicit USE ACTIVE, which uses then# parameters from the running system.e  D So if you WRITE CURRENT, you will not see the changes when you rerunF SYSGEN unless you do a USE CURRENT or you reboot the system.  Once you) reboot, everything should be as expected.t  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------e$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com r   Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:20:38 +0100e' From: Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de>a, Subject: Re: Icons under DECwindow 1.2-5/CDE* Message-ID: <3A432AF6.43335946@iaf.fhg.de>  $ Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: > V > In article <3A425E99.211B3B39@iaf.fhg.de>, Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de> writes:' > >Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:, > >>Y > >> In article <3A423AAB.4584B44B@iaf.fhg.de>, Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de> writes:t2 > >> >PWS500au, OpenVMS 7.2-1, DECwindow 1.2-5/CDE > >> >G > >> >I installed XPDF 0.92 ( http://decwarch.free.fr/pspdf.html#XPDF ) B > >> >Next I wanted to add an icon to my desktop for running XPDF.L > >> >"Create Action" in the Application Manager window has the option "FindE > >> >Set..." this shows the icon folders: CDE$HOME_DEFAULTS:[ICONS],e/ > >> >CDE$USER_DEFAULTS:[APPCONFIG.ICONS.C] andIN > >> >CDE$SYSTEM_DEFAULTS:[APPCONFIG.ICONS.C] but for all directories no icons > >> >are shown. (???) > >> >7 > >> >The directory CDE$HOME_DEFAULTS:[ICONS] is empty.  > >> >H > >> >The directory CDE$USER_DEFAULTS:[APPCONFIG.ICONS.C] has files likeI > >> >NETSCAPE.L_BM;1, NETSCAPE.L_PM;1, NETSCAPE.M_BM;1, NETSCAPE.M_PM;1,i& > >> >NETSCAPE.T_BM;1, NETSCAPE.T_PM;1G > >> >On my desktop I've an icon for netscape with the netscape bitmap.  > >> >K > >> >The directory CDE$SYSTEM_DEFAULTS:[APPCONFIG.ICONS.C] has 1517 files./ > >> >% > >> >So why is no bitmap icon shown?p > >> >G > >> >I was successful in creating the icon for XPDF but it has now ther$ > >> >standard bitmap "running man". > >>K > >> So, run the {Icon Editor} and create your own icon file.  Then run theyK > >> {Create Action} and use this new icon --- or simply click on the [Edit:M > >> Icon} button in {Create Action} and edit as you go.  I've added numerousn > >> custom Icons this way.e > >> > >M/ > >I used the Icon Editor and saved the icon to D > >cde$home_defaults:[icons]pdf.m_pm but the icon isn't shown in the4 > >{Create Action} window. {Find Set} shows an empty' > >cde$home_defaults:[icons] directory.f > 0 > I'm not sure what cde$home_defaults points to. > = > Place the icon file in the directory [<your root>.DT.ICONS]r >   % $ show logical/full cde$home_defaults:E    "CDE$HOME_DEFAULTS" [super] = "IAF021$DKA500:[IAF.PL.JAKOBUS.DT.]" ( [concealed,terminal] (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE) $a   $ dir CDE$HOME_DEFAULTS:[icons]S  # Directory CDE$HOME_DEFAULTS:[ICONS]a  ; DISPLAY.M_PM;3      DISPLAY.M_PM;2      DISPLAY.M_PM;1       PL-SERVER.M_PM;1 XPDF.M_PM;1.   Total of 5 files.n $a  $ As I said {Find Set} shows no Icons.  D I selected CDE$HOME_DEFAULTS:[ICONS] in the field {Icon Folders} andH entered DISPLAY.M_PM;3 in the field {Enter Icon Filename}. Pressing {Ok}H shows the {Create Action Error} window with the message: There is no set2 of icons with that filename in the icon folders...E There are two buttons {Change Name} and {Name OK} selecting {Name OK}s- shows the icon in the {Create Action} window.iG This work around allows to select the created icon, but I would like to  select the file directly.      Regards, -- e  ; *********************************************************** ; *                                                         *n; *  Theo Jakobus                                           *t; *  Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Angewandte Festkoerperphysik  *e; *  Tullastr. 72                                           *o; *  D-79108 Freiburg                                       *a; *  Germany                                                * ; *  Phone:   +49-(0)761-5159-325                           *f; *  FAX :    +49-(0)761-5159-200                           * ; *  e-mail:  jakobus@iaf.fhg.de                            * ; *  http://www.iaf.fhg.de                                  * ; *                                                         *a; ***********************************************************:   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 17:18:42 GMT + From: John Santos <john.santos@verizon.net>b5 Subject: INFO-VAX complaints about duplicate postings>> Message-ID: <MPG.14ad57371728b17b9896a9@news.bellatlantic.net>  F The last several posts I've made are causing me to get multiple e-mailG messages about duplicate posts from "L-Soft list server at UGA (1.8d)" A <LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>I  D So far I've received anywhere from 3 to 10 of these messages quoting the 3 posts I made last night.  @ At first I attributed it to real duplicate postings from my newsC server, which has been acting extremely flaky all month.  (Verizon,dC see comp.dcom.xdsl for all the gory speculation, though no officialS= explanation from Verizon has ever appeared.  Really makes youeA appreciate being a customer of the DEC/Compaq VMS group.  Thanks,' Hoff and crew.)h  A Several times it refused to accept posts until I disconnected andaB tried again.  One of them appeared to fail posting, but the second@ time it gave me a "duplicate post" error (directly from the news@ server, not from INFO-VAX), and a few minutes later the "failed" post appeared on comp.os.vms.h  C However, today the news server seems to acting okay, so maybe theree, is some kind of forwarding loop in INFO-VAX.  B If it is really my news server (or my news reader, Gravity 2.30 onA Win98 SE) causing this, any idea how to make it stop?  Are peopleiD seeing duplicate posts from me?  (They aren't showing up in Gravity,> but maybe it or the Verizon news server are suppressing them.)   -- s John Santoso   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 01:44:41 -0500d- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>i" Subject: Merry Christmas to all..., Message-ID: <3A42F853.32136F96@videotron.ca>  E I apologise for the blasphemy of posting this in the VMS newsgroup (IeJ hesitated), and I realise that in doing so, it may kill my image of a VMS=  J bigot (well, that is a good thing if you want to get jobs), so here it go= es...     J This year, my christmas card was made in honour of the beginning of perma= nentJ space habitation in the international space station Alpha... It is Flash = baseda and is available at:  ? high bancwidth: http://pages.infinit.net/jfmezei/noel_high.htmln> low bandwidth:  http://pages.infinit.net/jfmezei/noel_low.html  J To those who don't have a flash capable browser, here is a short text ver= sion:=3 		Merry Christmas and a Happy propserous new year !k    J Note: Macromedia has made it possible to port the flash players to as man= y  platforms as possible.   Regards, Jean-Fran=E7ois Mezeic   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:11:23 GMT-) From: sfm1115@bjcmail.carenet.org (Shawn):+ Subject: Monitor on a AXP running VMS 7.2-1 0 Message-ID: <3a436082.76217725@news.starnet.net>  D I know how to run Monitor System and Monitor System/all.  Is there aC way I can re-direct the output to a file rather than the system.  IBC have tried within monitor to do a SET_DEFAULT /FILENAME=mon.log butb this has not worked.    @ I looked through my manuals and was unable to locate the correct9 parameter to set.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.i  + I am running OpenVMS 7.2-1 on an Alpha 21002   Thanks   Shawno   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2000 09:43:06 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)/ Subject: Re: Monitor on a AXP running VMS 7.2-1E+ Message-ID: <VgmZQJaSIeq3@eisner.decus.org>o  \ In article <3a436082.76217725@news.starnet.net>, sfm1115@bjcmail.carenet.org (Shawn) writes:F > I know how to run Monitor System and Monitor System/all.  Is there aE > way I can re-direct the output to a file rather than the system.  I E > have tried within monitor to do a SET_DEFAULT /FILENAME=mon.log but  > this has not worked.     $help monitor /recordi  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationi= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group.E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:55:10 GMTt1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>i/ Subject: Re: Monitor on a AXP running VMS 7.2-1w2 Message-ID: <3A436C8D.41F99E4D@clarityconnect.com>  9 Additionally see the HELP MONITOR for /DISPLAY & /SUMMARY>   Bob Koehler wrote: > ^ > In article <3a436082.76217725@news.starnet.net>, sfm1115@bjcmail.carenet.org (Shawn) writes:H > > I know how to run Monitor System and Monitor System/all.  Is there aG > > way I can re-direct the output to a file rather than the system.  I<G > > have tried within monitor to do a SET_DEFAULT /FILENAME=mon.log but  > > this has not worked. >  > $help monitor /records > H > ----------------------------------------------------------------------A > Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationa? > NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupfG >                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingS   -- hD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:01:42 -0500 0 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com>/ Subject: Re: Monitor on a AXP running VMS 7.2-1e2 Message-ID: <kWxDOr2Ar1qJbSmG+PCI86t5Vslv@4ax.com>  < You can use the /RECORD=file-spec qualifier, then use /INPUTB to play it back later on.  Most often this is used with a detached' process that collects performance data.>   David R. Beatty>  E On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:11:23 GMT, sfm1115@bjcmail.carenet.org (Shawn)a wrote:  E >I know how to run Monitor System and Monitor System/all.  Is there anD >way I can re-direct the output to a file rather than the system.  ID >have tried within monitor to do a SET_DEFAULT /FILENAME=mon.log but >this has not worked.  , >aA >I looked through my manuals and was unable to locate the correcto: >parameter to set.  Any help would be greatly appreciated. > , >I am running OpenVMS 7.2-1 on an Alpha 2100 >  >Thankss >i >Shawn   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2000 12:23:44 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)/ Subject: Re: Monitor on a AXP running VMS 7.2-1R+ Message-ID: <fV1uLi$4JHja@eisner.decus.org>m  Z In article <VgmZQJaSIeq3@eisner.decus.org>, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >  > $help monitor /recordc  0 Oops, the layout of help has changed.  It's now    $help monitor monitor /record   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation:= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupuE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying1   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:14:04 +0100t+ From: Arne Bergseth <Arne.Bergseth@dnv.com>u Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.6' Message-ID: <3A43458C.D1381E8D@dnv.com>d   David Mathog wrote:e  W > In article <3A424192.BBDB73F6@dnv.com>, Arne Bergseth <Arne.Bergseth@dnv.com> writes:o> > >If the user has SYSPRV privilege, Mozilla M0.6 starts fine. >VI > Eek, what is this, WNT?  Do you really want to run a piece of flakewarey > like that with priv's???  Q No, It is VMS, and it is called debugging , and is part of a development process.f4 The version number is 0.6 so it is not finished yet.I No, I do not really want to run the web browser with powerfull privilege, > what I say is that this is one way to get the program running.  
 With regards,        Arne Bergseth    ------------------------------   Date: 22 Dec 2000 16:24:01 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog). Subject: Netscape 3.03/Elsa and window crashes, Message-ID: <91vv71$ogk@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  K If I leave Netscape running too long on my VMS 7.2-1 DS10 with an Elsa card.K it has a tendency to crash and take the rest of my X11 session with it. ThenI symptom is that I click on a link and BOOM - the entire session goes down F and the screen blanks.  About 2 seconds later I'm looking at the loginH screen.  That indicates that the server stayed up, but the session went  down.   C However, if I make a point of killing Netscape frequently it's more C stable.  Sometimes after it exits it still shows up in the "Work ino Progress" window as: n  &   netscape                 0/1    Done  ? and that stays there when a new Netscape is started.  I've beenp@ periodically using "remove task" on these "done" jobs as well.    J I'm not sure which is the most important, killing Netscape periodically orF removing the done jobs, but so long as I do both I'm pretty much crashJ free.  If I leave netscape running all the time I'm pretty much guaranteed* an X11 session crash every 2 weeks or so.    Anybody else seeing this?s  K Unfortunately when I recently purged my decw$sm.log files I forgot to save 0J some of those that were from crashed sessions.  (I could pull some off the* backup tapes if it would be of any help.)    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech .   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2000 18:18:29 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)2 Subject: Re: Netscape 3.03/Elsa and window crashes* Message-ID: <3a438ce5$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  a In article <91vv71$ogk@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:oL >If I leave Netscape running too long on my VMS 7.2-1 DS10 with an Elsa cardL >it has a tendency to crash and take the rest of my X11 session with it. TheJ >symptom is that I click on a link and BOOM - the entire session goes downG >and the screen blanks.  About 2 seconds later I'm looking at the loginpI >screen.  That indicates that the server stayed up, but the session went i >down. ]  K Netscape is well known for consuming (almost) all available (x11) resources * and for being not bugfree (what surprise).  I I often had X11 server hangs caused by NETSCAPE. Bug is in fact in in X112M (DECW$SERVER) but only NETSCAPE find/forces it (and on VAX won't be fixed)...C  E Try to monitor (eg. with AMDS) your DECW$SERVER process resources andtH increase some parameters (DECW$SERVER_PAGE_FILE comes to mind) slightly.  	 Good luck    -- t< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888K< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:30:41 -0500B+ From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@ossc.net>s2 Subject: Re: Netscape 3.03/Elsa and window crashes+ Message-ID: <3a439dba$1@newsfeed.vitts.com>i   David-  F     I see the very same thing on my AS600 5/333 with VMS 7.1-1H2 and aI ZLXP-L2 video card set.  I have raised some of the memory limits (it's myaL home system with 288MB memory) and while it has helped, it still occurs if IB do a lot of browsing.  I just login and invoke DECW$STARTUP again.H Unfortunately all of my sessions are gone and I have to reestablish them across the net.a   -JohnT    ? "David Mathog" <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote in message & news:91vv71$ogk@gap.cco.caltech.edu...H > If I leave Netscape running too long on my VMS 7.2-1 DS10 with an Elsa cardI > it has a tendency to crash and take the rest of my X11 session with it.T The K > symptom is that I click on a link and BOOM - the entire session goes downrH > and the screen blanks.  About 2 seconds later I'm looking at the loginI > screen.  That indicates that the server stayed up, but the session wents > down.l >eE > However, if I make a point of killing Netscape frequently it's moreaE > stable.  Sometimes after it exits it still shows up in the "Work int > Progress" window as: >R( >   netscape                 0/1    Done >rA > and that stays there when a new Netscape is started.  I've beenn@ > periodically using "remove task" on these "done" jobs as well. >-L > I'm not sure which is the most important, killing Netscape periodically orH > removing the done jobs, but so long as I do both I'm pretty much crashL > free.  If I leave netscape running all the time I'm pretty much guaranteed+ > an X11 session crash every 2 weeks or so.o >k > Anybody else seeing this?u >cL > Unfortunately when I recently purged my decw$sm.log files I forgot to saveL > some of those that were from crashed sessions.  (I could pull some off the+ > backup tapes if it would be of any help.)g >>
 > Regards, >i > David Mathog > mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu @ > Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:43:40 -0500>, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>F Subject: Re: NLA0: the null device - can VMS have other default names?> Message-ID: <hshubs-FBBB28.23434021122000@news.mindspring.com>  N In article <3a41c551@cpns1.saic.com>, "Scott Stark" <hayden.s.stark@saic.com>  wrote:  D >Helps to determine coding logic using NLA0 instead of NL, NL: NLPx:  J Just detect the device name beginning with NL as the first two alphabetic G characters.  I expect that someone -could- create a null device with a IH different controller letter or unit number by explicitly creating it in  SYSMAN, but -why-??i --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:19:08 -0600i7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>$F Subject: Re: NLA0: the null device - can VMS have other default names?- Message-ID: <3A42E44C.D4982FB7@earthlink.net>a   Scott Stark wrote: > E > Helps to determine coding logic using NLA0 instead of NL, NL: NLPx:n   AH! I see the confusion now.  < In most cases, "NL:" is taken as being identical to "NLA0:".  C I don't recall at this hour just where the reference is; but, check H through the docset (if you have it) for any references to the VMS deviceD naming conventions. In short, when you specify only the device classB name (such as "NL:", "TX:", etc.) the system will select the first. matching device spec ("NLA0:", "TXA0:", etc.).  A NLPxxxx: is an exception to this rule since it is supplied by theoA third-party IP stack known as Multinet (presumably, "Network LinelH Printer, unit xxxx"). That's as opposed to device class "NL", controllerD number 16 ("P"), unit number xxxx which it would otherwise describe.   For a further explanation, see:c  ; http://www.djesys.com/vms/freevms/mentor/vms_path.html#devcF   Hope this helps.   --   David J. DachteraI dba DJE Systems. http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.s   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2000 08:08:34 -0500 From: briggs@eisner.decus.orgnF Subject: Re: NLA0: the null device - can VMS have other default names?+ Message-ID: <jf+MDOY83EtA@eisner.decus.org>   m In article <hshubs-FBBB28.23434021122000@news.mindspring.com>, Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> writes:*P > In article <3a41c551@cpns1.saic.com>, "Scott Stark" <hayden.s.stark@saic.com>  > wrote: > E >>Helps to determine coding logic using NLA0 instead of NL, NL: NLPx:  > L > Just detect the device name beginning with NL as the first two alphabetic I > characters.  I expect that someone -could- create a null device with a  J > different controller letter or unit number by explicitly creating it in  > SYSMAN, but -why-??   H I'm afraid that I still don't understand what the original poster wants.   "determine coding logic"?@  E Does he mean to impose a style guide such that references to the null , device are to be uniformly coded as "NLA0:"?  G Or, as you appear to assume, does he want to identify references to the*; null device in the context of some form of static analysis?-  D If he's just trying to figure out whether a particular occurrence ofG "NLA0" in a piece of code was intended to refer to the null device then , the answer is a simple and resounding "Yes".  E Note that an examination of the first two letters of a file or devicetC specification is not a very robust technique.  NLP0 is not normallyr the null device.  & 	John Briggs			briggs@eisner.decus.org   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Dec 00 07:12:23 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com F Subject: Re: NLA0: the null device - can VMS have other default names?( Message-ID: <tHbkou8+tCGg@cpva.saic.com>  K In article <jf+MDOY83EtA@eisner.decus.org>, briggs@eisner.decus.org writes:o@ > In article <hshubs-FBBB28.23434021122000@news.mindspring.com>,0 > Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> writes:( >> In article <3a41c551@cpns1.saic.com>,+ >> "Scott Stark" <hayden.s.stark@saic.com> s	 >> wrote:s >> cF >>>Helps to determine coding logic using NLA0 instead of NL, NL: NLPx: >>  M >> Just detect the device name beginning with NL as the first two alphabetic rJ >> characters.  I expect that someone -could- create a null device with a K >> different controller letter or unit number by explicitly creating it in e >> SYSMAN, but -why-?? > J > I'm afraid that I still don't understand what the original poster wants. >  > "determine coding logic"?h > G > Does he mean to impose a style guide such that references to the nulle. > device are to be uniformly coded as "NLA0:"? > I > Or, as you appear to assume, does he want to identify references to the = > null device in the context of some form of static analysis?4 > F > If he's just trying to figure out whether a particular occurrence ofI > "NLA0" in a piece of code was intended to refer to the null device thens. > the answer is a simple and resounding "Yes". > G > Note that an examination of the first two letters of a file or deviceeE > specification is not a very robust technique.  NLP0 is not normally) > the null device. > ( > 	John Briggs			briggs@eisner.decus.org    I Since we're concerned with coding logic, perhaps it would be best to justo$ ask the (definitve source) system...  5 $ write sys$output f$getdvi("NL:","device_type_name")/ null devicet    0 or use $getdvi from the language of your choice.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:15:07 -0800a- From: "Scott Stark" <hayden.s.stark@saic.com>=F Subject: Re: NLA0: the null device - can VMS have other default names?' Message-ID: <3a431bcb$1@cpns1.saic.com>s   > David J. Dachtera wrote: >> AH! I see the confusion now.e >>? >> In most cases, "NL:" is taken as being identical to "NLA0:".2  J Thank you for the abundant replies, the questions have been answered.  TheJ solution is to have the code look for NLA0 and not just "NL" as that would( bypass the intended NLPx (print) action.  F BTW, VMS on-line help usually has the answers but I could not find anyH references to the null device (NLA0:) in there (did find in VMS FAQs andF didn't look in documentation).  Thought I'd solicit here and got ample replies. Problem resolved.eB "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message' news:3A42E44C.D4982FB7@earthlink.net...2 > Scott Stark wrote: > >nG > > Helps to determine coding logic using NLA0 instead of NL, NL: NLPx:: >- > AH! I see the confusion now. >g> > In most cases, "NL:" is taken as being identical to "NLA0:". >eE > I don't recall at this hour just where the reference is; but, check7J > through the docset (if you have it) for any references to the VMS deviceF > naming conventions. In short, when you specify only the device classD > name (such as "NL:", "TX:", etc.) the system will select the first0 > matching device spec ("NLA0:", "TXA0:", etc.). >oC > NLPxxxx: is an exception to this rule since it is supplied by the-C > third-party IP stack known as Multinet (presumably, "Network LineoJ > Printer, unit xxxx"). That's as opposed to device class "NL", controllerF > number 16 ("P"), unit number xxxx which it would otherwise describe. > ! > For a further explanation, see:n >p= > http://www.djesys.com/vms/freevms/mentor/vms_path.html#devc0 >1 > Hope this helps. >r > -- > David J. Dachterac > dba DJE Systemsc > http://www.djesys.com/ >n< > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/I > H > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. >tB > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. >oH > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:26:43 -0500F! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>n! Subject: Re: OpenVMS DHCP Client?c8 Message-ID: <3fi54t8irvqntf3scdpm4d4g7iu6or16be@4ax.com>   What about:-  . http://home.hawaii.rr.com/echong/vms/dhcp.html   ??   Be  @ On 29 Nov 2000 17:40:08 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote:    > l >In article <lI%U5.25835$Y6.7976070@news1.mntp1.il.home.com>, "Richard Robbins" <RERobbins@home.com> writes:M >:Is there a DHCP client for OpenVMS?  I've stumbled across the documentationnH >:for establishing an OpenVMS DHCP server, but not seen how to set up an# >:OpenVMS machine as a DHCP client.- >-H >  Assuming TCP/IP Services; not prior to V5.1; currently in field test. >aO > --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------sM >   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.coms   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 02:29:09 GMTs$ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>$ Subject: Re: OpenVMS SAN Integration) Message-ID: <3A42BC99.9EC93764@wi.rr.com>G  B You're thinking of connecting a VMS system to a XIOtech box?  Ugh!E I looked at the XIOtech box for about 15 minutes and then walked awaye; from it after counting all of the single-points-of-failure.e  H There's no way that a VMS system connected to one of those systems would ever be supported.   -Scott  
 fooguy wrote:w  I > We have Xiotech Fiberchannel Storage Area Network Solution, to which welD > have attached several Netware, NT, and Solaris systems. We have onG > order, to replace our AS800, (2) DS20s (one with a Solid State Disk).0A > What we're wondering, is if anyone has had any luck with QLogicjD > Fiberchannel HABs under OpenVMS. QLogic seems to make hardware andJ > drivers for every platform and OS (and DEC seems to use their stuff here
 > and there).g >o	 > Thanks,w > John >  > --/ > *********************************************s* > "All I every wanted from life was to see. > Larry Wall give Bill Gates a Perl Necklace." >- > Sent via Deja.com- > http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2000 05:50:55 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>8 Subject: Re: Overzealous spam filtering for compaq.com ?0 Message-ID: <87itodjveo.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  ; Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:A  T > In article <G5up8J.H28@spcuna.spc.edu>, Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> writes:+ > > Jeremy Begg <jeremy@vsm.com.au> writes:A  H > >> practice it raises some serious problems.  For example, if a CompaqK > >> employee sends a message to a mailing list outside of Compaq, and that M > >> list includes Compaq employees on it, the Compaq employees won't receiveh > >> the message.t > > P > >   Hmmm. DECUS (via the former outsourcing firm) made a similar mistake aboutM > > DECUS.ORG some time ago, but it has since been fixed (and the outsourcing , > > firm no longer does any work for DECUS). > : > But does the outsourcing firm now work for Compaq ?  :-)  ? Seems that is the case. Misaddress a mail message to Compaq and < read the bounce message. pussmaster@compaq.com should do the job.   Read and weep.   -- :< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:53:08 GMT  From: "xx" <xxx@hotmail.com>* Subject: Re: Problem with linking C++ code; Message-ID: <EgH06.4565$gS.2770391@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>b  L If using cxxlink does not solve the problem *and* you have a reasonable sizeL reproducer, feel free to send email to compaq_cxx.bug@compaq.com and we will get your question answered.w   Duane Smiths Compaq C++ Engineering Manager    0 Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote in message ...  E I wasn't going to pitch in, since it's been several years and severalw@ compiler releases since I used C++ on VMS, but here goes anyway.  H Are you using the standard LINK command? When I last used C++ you had toH use a special linker, CXXLINK instead or the template instantiation etc.1 didn't get done. Have a look through the manuals.s   Shane           8 seibel_r@localhost.localdomain on 12/21/2000 10:23:01 AM  % Please respond to seibel_r@ociweb.com    To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma cc:s  + Subject:  Re: Problem with linking C++ codep    K Having received no response, I must assume that this is not the right groupaB for this question, I apologize.  Could one of you direct me to the	 newsgroup J where the C++ on VMS gurus hang out?  Or is C++ so little used on VMS that there is no such group?G   TIA) Rich  - On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:04:40 GMT, Rich Seibele  <seibel_r@localhost.localdomain> wrote: >nI >I am trying to port a rather large open source middleware package calleda: >ACE/TAO to VMS and I am having a problem with the linker. >mF >I have built both a static library and a dynamic library.  When I tryE >to link an application with the dynamic library, none of the symbols C >get resolved.  When I try to link with the static library, all the D >symbols get resolved except those from one object module.  That oneF >object module, if I include it specifically in the link, will satisfyC >all the missing symbols.  I know that the module is in the libraryeC >because LIBRARY tells me so and will show me the symbols.  Is thisv! >a known problem with the linker?  >f [snip]   --D --------------------------------------------------------------------D Rich Seibel, Software Engineer                 (314)579-0066 ext 220D Object Computing, Inc.                           seibel_r@ociweb.comD Need ACE training?                      See http://www.theaceorb.comD --------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:54:02 GMTa From: "xx" <xxx@hotmail.com>* Subject: Re: Problem with linking C++ code; Message-ID: <uhH06.4566$gS.2770451@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>2  D That address is compaq_cxx.bugs@compaq.com.  I forgot the s.  Sorry.   xx wrote in message ...3H >If using cxxlink does not solve the problem *and* you have a reasonable sizeH >reproducer, feel free to send email to compaq_cxx.bug@compaq.com and we will >get your question answered. >d >Duane Smith >Compaq C++ Engineering Managere >i >21 >Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote in message ...r >fF >I wasn't going to pitch in, since it's been several years and severalA >compiler releases since I used C++ on VMS, but here goes anyway.  >mI >Are you using the standard LINK command? When I last used C++ you had to.I >use a special linker, CXXLINK instead or the template instantiation etc.e2 >didn't get done. Have a look through the manuals. >  >Shane >  >t >s >t >e9 >seibel_r@localhost.localdomain on 12/21/2000 10:23:01 AM  > & >Please respond to seibel_r@ociweb.com >O >To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >cc: >n, >Subject:  Re: Problem with linking C++ code >o >nL >Having received no response, I must assume that this is not the right groupC >for this question, I apologize.  Could one of you direct me to thee
 >newsgroupK >where the C++ on VMS gurus hang out?  Or is C++ so little used on VMS thate >there is no such group? >w >TIA >Rich  >s. >On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:04:40 GMT, Rich Seibel! ><seibel_r@localhost.localdomain>  >wrote:  >>J >>I am trying to port a rather large open source middleware package called; >>ACE/TAO to VMS and I am having a problem with the linker.e >>G >>I have built both a static library and a dynamic library.  When I trytF >>to link an application with the dynamic library, none of the symbolsD >>get resolved.  When I try to link with the static library, all theE >>symbols get resolved except those from one object module.  That onedG >>object module, if I include it specifically in the link, will satisfyaD >>all the missing symbols.  I know that the module is in the libraryD >>because LIBRARY tells me so and will show me the symbols.  Is this" >>a known problem with the linker? >> >[snip]f >l >--bE >--------------------------------------------------------------------,E >Rich Seibel, Software Engineer                 (314)579-0066 ext 220oE >Object Computing, Inc.                           seibel_r@ociweb.comeE >Need ACE training?                      See http://www.theaceorb.comnE >--------------------------------------------------------------------c >  >r >: >  >l >t >e >m >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:55:07 +1030n% From: Jeremy Begg <jeremy@vsm.com.au>a* Subject: Re: Problems with PATHWORKS V6.0C* Message-ID: <3A43411B.593FA44D@vsm.com.au>  L > >However, we've noticed that several of the PC users can't actually accessL > >their VMS home directories from their PCs.  They can map their respectiveL > >personal shares but when they try to read them they get the error message& > >"This folder was moved or removed". > >hL > >Upon further investigation, I suspect that PATHWORKS is not honouring theI > >VMS file system security even though the server is configured with thetL > >security model set to "Advanced Server and OpenVMS".  Specifically, thoseL > >users who can access their home directories are able to do so because theK > >directories have W:RE protection; the directories of those who can't arew > >only W:E protection.t > H > OK, W:E protection on a directory gives you the right to look up filesF > whose names you know, and W:RE gives you the right to list the filesD > in the directory.  So, there seems to be some consistency with theD > OpenVMS model here, so far, at least with respect to World Access. > Would you agree?  H Yes, the PATHWORKS server appears to be respecing WORLD file protection.  B Upon further experimentation I have determined that the problem is entirely in the hostmapping.  ; > 3. Are you sure that the user is hostmapping as expected?.H > Unfortunately, there isn't a command that will tell you that, but, I'm= > thinking we ought to try to add it to the debug commands....   I think that might be useful.p  D > 4. You are relying on implicit hostmaps.  Do an aDMIN SHOW HOSTMAPB > affcted-user-name to be sure they aren't hostmapped to something
 > unexpected.p  F The existing hostmaps were in order, an none of the users experiencing problems were listed.   D > 5.  This shouldn't be necessary, but, on those accounts that don't@ > work, try explicitly hotmapping those users (ADMIN ADD HOSTMAP# > server-user-name host-user-name).  > . > >Furthermore certain public shares which areL > >protected with VMS ACLs simply aren't accessible as PATHWORKS file sharesM > >unless the directory protection is changed to W:RE -- the PATHWORKS servern > >is simply ignoring the ACLs.b > >h  G The solution turned out to be explicit hostmaps for each user.  I triedtE putting 'hostmapusevmsnames = YES' in LANMAN.INI but that didn't havec any D effect.  So now we are running with a hostmap for each user and file access is working as expected.f           Jeremy Begg   =   +---------------------------------------------------------+i=   |            VSM Software Services Pty. Ltd.              |t=   |                 http://www.vsm.com.au/                  | =   |       "OpenVMS Systems Management & Programming"        |r=   |---------------------------------------------------------|c=   | P.O.Box 402, Walkerville, |  E-Mail:  jeremy@vsm.com.au |d=   | South Australia 5081      |   Phone:  +61 8 83592155    |e=   |---------------------------|  Mobile:  0414 422 947      |r=   |  A.C.N. 068 409 156       |     FAX:  +61 8 82231777    |t=   +---------------------------------------------------------+n   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2000 19:05:15 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) * Subject: Re: Problems with PATHWORKS V6.0C, Message-ID: <M$DOnFLZMl1i@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  + In article <3A43411B.593FA44D@vsm.com.au>, r+     Jeremy Begg <jeremy@vsm.com.au> writes:- > I > The solution turned out to be explicit hostmaps for each user.  I triedoG > putting 'hostmapusevmsnames = YES' in LANMAN.INI but that didn't have? > anygF > effect.  So now we are running with a hostmap for each user and file > access > is working as expected.t > @     I think I ran into the same problem, I could never get it toK work right with implicit hostmapping, even witn "hostmapusevmsnames = YES".pC The only thing that seemed to work was explicit hostmap entries fore
 each user.  M =============================================================================sM Malcolm Dunnett      Malaspina University-College   Email: dunnett@mala.bc.caaH Information Systems  Nanaimo, B.C. CANADA V9R 5S5     Tel: (250)755-8738   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 05:21:11 GMT + From: "Alphaman" <aaron@nospam-alphant.com> * Subject: Re: Problems with PATHWORKS V6.0C= Message-ID: <bxB06.94470$iy3.22217393@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>e  E Brad McCusker <brad.mccusker@compaq.remove_this.com> wrote in messagee* news:3a3fb184.829762585@news.compaq.com...E > On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:24:24 +1030, Jeremy Begg <jeremy@vsm.com.au>  > wrote: >  >tL > >Is anyone aware of problems with PATHWORKS V6.0C and the "Advanced Server > >and OpenVMS" security model?r >cE > No, but, I also know that its not widely used, so, if something wasiB > broken, we might not even know about it!  You've done a good jobH > describing it so far, I look forward to your reply.  If you've found aE > bug, I suspect it wil be clear when you answer the questions above.  >l  H Just as a data point, I tried the AS+VMS security model for a very shortH while.  I found it to be a big security hole in our environment.  In ourI case, we upgraded from 5.0F (which had been upgraded from 5.0C, which hadmF been upgraded from 4....  you get the picture).  We had in excess of aI quarter million files spread across close to 100 file shares and over 130aE GBytes.  Setting the security model to AS+VMS meant that for users ineK another domain to access a file also meant that we had to either set an ACLsL for that file or set it to W:R{W|E|D}.  Now multiply that across the 10's ofK thousands of files that are in some of our larger shares, and that's either I a lot of VMS ACLs or a lot of World accessible files.  Or, as we wound upiK doing, a reliance on only Advanced Server security from the Advanced Servert perspective.  L Oh, and our VMScluster is our PDC.  I'd be tempted to change the role of ourL BDC's to member servers if only MS allowed it...  (Can't down-grade a serverL like that, at least not easily.)  Who needs a PeeCee to act as a backup to a VMScluster??? 8^)e   Aarond --< Aaron Sakovich          http://www.alphant.com/alphaman.html< The AlphaNT Source:                  http://www.alphant.com/< Even my car has a website:  http://www.alphant.com/cristine/< Make April 15 just another day:      http://www.fairtax.org/ $ type unix.come,  $ loop: read sys$input command /prompt="# "8  $       write sys$output command,": Command not found."  $       goto loop    L > >However, we've noticed that several of the PC users can't actually accessL > >their VMS home directories from their PCs.  They can map their respectiveL > >personal shares but when they try to read them they get the error message& > >"This folder was moved or removed". > >:L > >Upon further investigation, I suspect that PATHWORKS is not honouring theI > >VMS file system security even though the server is configured with the L > >security model set to "Advanced Server and OpenVMS".  Specifically, thoseL > >users who can access their home directories are able to do so because theK > >directories have W:RE protection; the directories of those who can't are1 > >only W:E protection.  >-H > OK, W:E protection on a directory gives you the right to look up filesF > whose names you know, and W:RE gives you the right to list the filesD > in the directory.  So, there seems to be some consistency with theD > OpenVMS model here, so far, at least with respect to World Access. > Would you agree? >tH >  The question is, who owns these directories, you didn't say, and thenE > the next question is, what OpenVMS user are the PC Users mapping to-G > when they connect.  Implicit hostmapping would lead you to think they @ > are hostmapping to the identical user name on OpenVMS (in yourB > example, PC user BROWN should implicitly hostmap to OpenVMS userH > BROWN).  Is that really happening.  And on a related note, who are theF > users connecting to the server as?  If they are connecting as GUEST,D > then they map to PWRK$GUEST, and perhaps the behavior is expected. >>7 > So the questions I have at this point are as follows:e >a< > 1. Who is the OpenVMS owner of the directories in question >nF > 2. Who is the client connecting as (ADMIN SHO CONNECTION ought to be > of help here). > ; > 3. Are you sure that the user is hostmapping as expected?rH > Unfortunately, there isn't a command that will tell you that, but, I'm= > thinking we ought to try to add it to the debug commands...e >HH > One thing you can try is to set bit 31 of SYS$SINGLE_SIGNON to get the? > External Authentication debug output and look at who External G > Authentication trys to hostmap the user too.  No guarantees that justsG > becuase they hostmap correctly with External Authentication that they G > will hostmap correctly on connect, but, you may be suprised with what ' > you see from External Authentication.  >e; > To see this stuff do a $DEFINE SYS$SINGLE_SIGNON 80000001oD > then do a reply/enable=security so you get the opcom messages thisF > logical will result in.  Usually the opcom output is pretty straight> > forward, and I think you would see if it was doing something
 > unexpected., >,D > 4. You are relying on implicit hostmaps.  Do an aDMIN SHOW HOSTMAPB > affcted-user-name to be sure they aren't hostmapped to something
 > unexpected.a >lD > 5.  This shouldn't be necessary, but, on those accounts that don't@ > work, try explicitly hotmapping those users (ADMIN ADD HOSTMAP# > server-user-name host-user-name).r >g >o. > >Furthermore certain public shares which areL > >protected with VMS ACLs simply aren't accessible as PATHWORKS file sharesF > >unless the directory protection is changed to W:RE -- the PATHWORKS server > >is simply ignoring the ACLs.- > >- >-H > Well, maybe, but, I think we need to see the whole picture, especiallyE > who is the network user mapped to, who owns the directory, and what?F > are the permissions that result in denial.  Also, of course, who are  > the denied users conencted as. >tK > >I know the above relies on host mapping, but the documentation says thism isI > >active by default when the PATHWORKS account names are the same as thet VMSe
 > >usernames.p >lG > Good point.. Better check lanman.ini parameter hostmapusevmsnames andg: > be sure its not set to anything other than yes (default) >m	 > Thanks.i >t >C >a
 > Regards, >' > Brad McCuskert1 > OpenVMS Advanced Server Engineering (PATHWORKS)e > Compaq Computer Corporationl >m5 > All comments contained herein are my own and do noti+ > reflect those of anyone or anything else.m   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2000 13:32:29 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)0 Subject: RAMBUS Futures , was Re: DS20 vs. DS20E+ Message-ID: <EOoO3V+qKLBs@eisner.decus.org>p   In article <y4ofy4mor5.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:+ > Jack Patteeuw <jpatteeu@ford.com> writes:  > H >> I surprised to read somewhere else that EV7 was going to use RAMBUS. I >> Given the problems Intel had with their interface chip and the premium:D >> cost of RAMBUS and arrival of DDR I was surprised.  Any comments.  ; 	Don't get too excited.  I once was.  Actually, shared withe7 	others even very recent some RAMBUS doubts.  But seemse: 	there is more a glimmer of hope for RAMBUS actually maybe 	a very good future.    ) 	According to confidential Intel roadmap:o  1 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/15626.htmlM  D A bullet on one slide said: "The Intel Pentium 4... will provide allI performance platforms overall greater than 50 per cent of performance andlD mainstream platforms by Q4 01 when compared to the Intel Pentium III processor."   K As we pointed out in a separate article on Intel's Tualatin yesterday, thattJ will mean much cheaper Pentium IIIs on a .13 micron process. In Q3 of nextJ year, customers have to move Intel 850 (Willamette) based platforms to the mPGA478 socket.   N One greater consequence of these moves will mean a Ramboost for Rambus. In theO week 51 roadmap, Intel tells its customers to ensure adequate RDRAM supply, andmG place orders for the memory now, for the ramp on the P4 it is pushing. i  : 	The dirty little secret here of course is that RAMBUS has: 	great performance, see above.  The other little fact here: 	is that DDR has been pushed out to 2002 leaving more thanF 	enough room for RAMBUS to flourish.  But much to Aaron Spink's creditB 	he has always had a great RAMBUS message.  If you aren't familiar; 	with Aaron's postings search www.deja.com  , comp.arch fori8 	Spink.  He is dead on 95%+ of the time.  Here.. a quick- 	example of Spink and RAMBUS, happy holidays:p     Forum: comp.arch' Subject: Re: Future of rambus and 21364r Date: 10/23/2000& Author: aaron spink <spink@pa.dec.com>    /  "Erik Corry" <erik@arbat.com> wrote in messagee+  news:8t0s5i$5e41t$1@gjallar.daimi.au.dk...cE  > How do you figure this?  A Rambus channel gives you 1066Mbyte/s tosG  > 1600Mbyte/s (PC600-PC800), while a DDR channel gives you 1600Mbyte/soG  > or 2100Mbyte/s (200MHz or 266MHz).  I don't see a factor of 4 there.r  >  L A rambus channel will give you 800 Mb/s/p while the best DDR will do is 266,/ but probably only 200 on a large memory system.    K Thats a factor of 4.  Now if you want to count over head of additional pinseM besides data pins, I'd be happy to.  Take a look at the Intel BX, 815, or thebF Via chipset specs and figure out the number of pins that are needed asL overhead.  In most cases for and SDRAM based memory bus you need more than 1N copy of the address and command pins because of the uneven loading compared toJ the data pins.  Overall it comes to roughly 120 pins for a 64/72 bit SDRAMM interface and roughly 40 pins for a DRDRAM interface.  So for the same number N of pins you'll get roughly 4x the bandwidth with rambus as DDR in a full scale memory system.   K  > Well, no, it supports 32 devices per channel.  No rows, at least not pern  > channel.d  >  =  When talking about multible channel designs, rows = devices.i   G  > Surely for a high end SDRAM design you can use 1 bit wide DRAM chipseL  > and get 72 per SIMM, which makes at least 216 chips per channel (3 SIMMS)H  > as far as I can see?  But high end SDRAM designs use buffering, don'tE  > they, so the limits are higher (and the latencies a little worse).d  >  N Go find 1bit wide (DDR) SDRAM chips on the market.  When you do get me a priceO quote.  The last company that I head of making them was IBM and as far as I can N tell, they don't make them anymore.  The min width seems to be 4 bits wide andK thats on special more expensive parts.  For volume manufacturing, 8bit wideH DRAMs seems to be the min.   K The SDRAM address/command interface is good for 8-16 devices total.  Beyond M that you need buffering.  That means to support the same number of dram chipsgM as a 4 channel rambus interface, the SDRAM interface is going to need betweenA7 16-32 buffers.  Thats gonna make the latency real nice.b   H  > I don't know so much about this aspect of it, but at any rate I don'tI  > think there is a 32 chip per channel limit for high end SDRAM designs.a  >  = not per channel, per pin.  All that matters is the rows/pins.c   J  > The worrying thing for Compaq is that even Intel never considered using  > Rambus in servers.f  O So you work for Intel and are privy to what they have and have not considered.  B Interesting, I'll mark it down in case I ever need the latest.  :)     Aaron Spink  not speaking for Compaq   ---n   				Robw   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 00:06:51 GMTe/ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>s Subject: record count D Message-ID: <vWw06.406$OJ2.16790@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  8 I know this has been asked before, but I cannot find it:  L On Alpha VMS 7.2-1, what is the easiest way to determine the record count of a standard sequential file? E If not in Alpha VMS 7.2-1, is there any chance this might be a future  feature?   Thanks,/    Johne   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 00:53:52 GMT-* From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com> Subject: Re: record count-) Message-ID: <91u8mt$5ec$1@nnrp1.deja.com>3  D In article <vWw06.406$OJ2.16790@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,2   "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote:: > I know this has been asked before, but I cannot find it: >sE > On Alpha VMS 7.2-1, what is the easiest way to determine the recordT count of > a standard sequential file?    This should work:t   $ sear login.com ""/noout/logr  D and is reasonably fast. Change /log to /stat for more detailed info, like the number of characters.  G > If not in Alpha VMS 7.2-1, is there any chance this might be a futuree
 > feature?   Don't know, but I doubt it.o   --F NOTE: If you wish to e-mail me, please do NOT use the deja address. ItE is broken. Instead, use one of the addresses below, removing the longc wrong part first. Thanks.;   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  &-)+ w: afeldman@gfigroup.ButItSaidItPrinted.comc5 h: alan48@dellnet.YouCantBelieveEverythingYouRead.coms     Sent via Deja.comw http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:03:58 -0500 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>e Subject: Re: record countp( Message-ID: <91ug5o$epp$1@pyrite.mv.net>  8 John Nixon <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message> news:vWw06.406$OJ2.16790@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...: > I know this has been asked before, but I cannot find it: >yK > On Alpha VMS 7.2-1, what is the easiest way to determine the record countn of > a standard sequential file?tG > If not in Alpha VMS 7.2-1, is there any chance this might be a future.
 > feature?  L 'Way back when RMS was designed, some consideration was given to maintainingD record counts, primarily in indexed files (where they can be used toG determine whether keyed access or a full file scan is likely to be moreoH efficient at retrieving a set of records matching some set of criteria -J just as in relational databases).  The additional I/O overhead required toK maintain an accurate count was unacceptable, and while an approximate count J could be maintained fairly inexpensively, the degree to which it could getA out of synch with reality was sufficient to make it unattractive.h  H I'd think that maintaining an accurate record count in a sequential fileG would be relatively easy and virtually free, however, since it could behH updated each time the EOF mark was updated.  Of course, it would requireI extending the file header 'RMS attributes' unless there's a free quadword D available, and a Truncate operation would necessarily invalidate it.   - bill   >g	 > Thanks,-	 >    John- >- >-   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2000 04:33:39 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>  Subject: Re: RIP LN03, 1987-20000 Message-ID: <87u27xjyzg.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  ' Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes:-   > Mark Sterk wrote:- > > U > > Be careful I am not sure of the classification of this laser but could be harmful  > > to your eyes.1 > : > Yes- be careful not to look at laser with remaining eye.  = One of the out of the printer is a class 4; licenced operator  in an approved location.  < Didn't know about the cooler. Damb. miss about 4 2 days ago. They where probably $1 each!     -- -< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.h@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:38:30 -0600o/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> I Subject: Re: SABackup to a file (Was: How to Invoke Conversational Boot?)n3 Message-ID: <3A439FA6.7CF86AEB@applied-synergy.com>o   Barry Skidmore wrote:c > ; > Yes, the omission of the /save_set qualifier explained mysD > problem.  Online BACKUP works fine now, however /save_set does notG > seem to fix the problem with Stand Alone Backup - the following errort	 > occurs:e > ? > "%BACKUP-F-SAVSETCLU, save set disk cluster factor must be 1"= > * > Does anyone have any insights into this?  B SABackup's capability to output to a file is very primitive.  When* SABackup is running, RMS is not available.  = One result of this is that any save sets must be in [000000].-  F SABackup is designed to be able to span volumes when writing to disk. H This means that if the disk becomes full, SABackup will request that theB disk be removed and another one mounted, then it will continue the3 backup on the second (or third, fourth, etc.) disk.i  H When writing to an ODS disk, all writes occur in clusters.  If your diskB has a cluster factor of 5, all writes must occur in 5 block units.   Now to put this all together.w  F From what I have been told, the implementation of SABackup is not ableF to handle partial clusters.  If it becomes necessary to span disks, itF would be possible that the last backup block written to the disk mightB only partially fill a cluster.  To avoid this, SABackup requires aG cluster size of 1 so that it does not have to handle a partial cluster.s  G I believe that the RA60 (a 200MB removable disk) is the last hard drive E that SABackup was really expected to be used with.  Using SABackup too? write savesets to disk doesn't work very well with large disks.d  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------W$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com t   Fax: 817-237-3074e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:42:11 +0530m4 From: Bhaskar Sengupta <Bhaskar.Sengupta@sema.co.in> Subject: Segmented keys in RMSD Message-ID: <99CDEDA1726CD4118F4A00D0B788429703617D@pdns.sema.co.in>  	 Dear Sir,h" 	I have got a RMS related problem.A 	I have an indexed file with a primary key of 39 bytes which is aoL structure of 9 members. The rest of the record is filler. I want to retreiveJ data based on one member of the primary key. Which means that I might have) duplicate key ( because it is a member ).oB 	I have in my user program declared a segmented primary key and amK opening the file with the necessary segment of the key. While reading, I ameG again using the segmented key to do random sys$find and then sequentialtH sys$get with the RAB$V_LIM option set. I am supposed to get a RMS_OK_LIM1 once the duplication of the segmentd part stops. / 	I am not getting it.o 	Can you help ?t   					Bhaskar Senguptay  					Bhaskar.Sengupta@sema.co.in 					bhaskarsg@hotmail.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:00:07 GMTp From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>" Subject: Re: Segmented keys in RMS' Message-ID: <3A432626.3CA7358E@home.nl>r   Hi Bhaskar,P  H I don't know exactly what you want to achieve, but this is the way I see it.t  H A segmented key is a key that consists out of non-contiguous data in the record. C Example: the key consists out of byte 1-5, byte 10-15, byte 20-25.  F However, it is still one key, with one index, and you can only read it- sequentialy in the sequence of the whole key!n  F It seems to me that what you want to do can be achieved by declaring aH second key (with duplicates) on the member you want to read in sequence, and using that key.h  G But take care: if you get many duplicates, the write performance of the H file will be very poor. It is better to add some kind of data to the keyF that will make the key values more unique, even if you don't need that data.e   Regards,   Dirk   Bhaskar Sengupta wrote:o >  > Dear Sir, + >         I have got a RMS related problem.lJ >         I have an indexed file with a primary key of 39 bytes which is aN > structure of 9 members. The rest of the record is filler. I want to retreiveL > data based on one member of the primary key. Which means that I might have+ > duplicate key ( because it is a member ).aK >         I have in my user program declared a segmented primary key and am M > opening the file with the necessary segment of the key. While reading, I amaI > again using the segmented key to do random sys$find and then sequentialSJ > sys$get with the RAB$V_LIM option set. I am supposed to get a RMS_OK_LIM2 > once the duplication of the segmentd part stops. >         I am not getting it. >         Can you help ? > : >                                         Bhaskar SenguptaE >                                         Bhaskar.Sengupta@sema.co.int? >                                         bhaskarsg@hotmail.comn   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:36:08 -0500t' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> " Subject: Re: Segmented keys in RMS( Message-ID: <920392$mq9$1@pyrite.mv.net>  ? Bhaskar Sengupta <Bhaskar.Sengupta@sema.co.in> wrote in messagen> news:99CDEDA1726CD4118F4A00D0B788429703617D@pdns.sema.co.in... > Dear Sir,h# > I have got a RMS related problem.tB > I have an indexed file with a primary key of 39 bytes which is aE > structure of 9 members. The rest of the record is filler. I want to  retreiveL > data based on one member of the primary key. Which means that I might have+ > duplicate key ( because it is a member ).sC > I have in my user program declared a segmented primary key and amgJ > opening the file with the necessary segment of the key. While reading, I amI > again using the segmented key to do random sys$find and then sequentialPJ > sys$get with the RAB$V_LIM option set. I am supposed to get a RMS_OK_LIM2 > once the duplication of the segmentd part stops. > I am not getting it. > Can you help ?  ! I don't know, but here's a guess:A  E The RMS Reference Manual says that a key value differing from the onerG provided returns the 'limit exceeded' success code, but it may actuallyrK return it only when that value is exceeded (that's what would make sense toiK me, anyway).  In that case, if you provide a truncated key that stops after J the segment you're interested in, any longer key (possibly excepting a keyJ all of whose additional bytes are null) will exceed it, so the chances areH good that your first record exceeds the value, and that *might* make RMS* ignore the limit-check request thereafter.  L If that's the case, then if you pad out your limit key (after the segment ofI interest) with bytes with all bits set you may get the behavior you want.MH Or not - I haven't had any direct contact with RMS since around the time that feature was added.    - bill   >  > Bhaskar Sengupta > Bhaskar.Sengupta@sema.co.inn > bhaskarsg@hotmail.comd   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:38:05 GMTS From: bawilhelm@my-deja.comt Subject: SLS Questions) Message-ID: <92001d$ekc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   D We are using SLS for our system backups.  We run a series of backupsH each night with a final incremental or image depending on the night.  InD SLS if you run the same backup on the same day it will send an OPCOM= message and ask if you want to REDO, QUIT or SKIP the backup.f  F The problem that has been occasionally occurring is if for some reasonE the last backup of the previous night occurred after midnight and thetH last backup of the current day starts before midnight, you have to reply# to redo each saveset in the backup.t  G There is a parameter UNATTENDED_BACKUPS that can be set that will forcefG the backup to proceed without operator intervention, but it has a nastytG side effect over automatically overwriting the label of the tape.  ThistF is a problem if you accidentally put in the wrong tape. (This seems to happen fairly frequently).  D Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get around this?  We have> tried creating multiple tape pools for some of the backups but$ inevitably the problem still occurs.   Thanks  
 Brent Wilhelm  Salisbury State University     Sent via Deja.comr http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 01:03:23 +0100 2 From: "Helge Krambeck" <helgekrambeck@t-online.de>L Subject: Re: SMTP Server under OpenVMS AXP V6.2/UCX V4 Character Set Problem/ Message-ID: <91u5le$rnq$04$1@news.t-online.com>o   Hi Jean-Francois,t   Thank you, I restarted smtpA and now it works.   
 Best regards,c   Helge Krambeck    C "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> schrieb imc4 Newsbeitrag news:91tek9$hd7$1@reader1.imaginet.fr...# > Did you restart smtp after that ?m >n > Jean-Franois Marchal  > X9000 - LYON (FR)e >t >r? > "Helge Krambeck" <helgekrambeck@t-online.de> wrote in messageh+ > news:91td9l$ad9$07$1@news.t-online.com...e > > Hi,o > > . > > I want to configure an Alpha Station/ Open$ > > VMS AXP V6.2 SMTP Server running$ > > under UCX Version 4 to use 8 Bit) > > encoding for Emails sent through thist) > > server. The Problem is, that the SMTPo+ > > Server running on this machine convertst% > > all Emails to 7-Bit US-ASCII. Howp' > > can I activate 8-Bit transmission ?u* > > Somebody suggested using this command:% > > $ UCX SET CONF SMTP/OPT=EIGHT_BITa > > but it doesnt work.o > > . > > Helge Krambeck (helgekrambeck@t-online.de) > >n > >t >i >4   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Dec 2000 21:52:54 -0500/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)C Subject: Re: Sun Cluster* Message-ID: <91ufm6$g35$1@lisa.gemair.com>  * In article <3A421E9D.3D3E530D@uk.sun.com>,2 andrew harrison  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: >Jordan Henderson wrote: >> l	 >> [snip], >>D >> I was only basing this on your own statements some time back thatD >> you never see OpenVMS in your markets anymore.  Seems like either- >> you were lying then, or you are lying now.n >> X >1? >You don't make a distinction at all between a platform that a h= >company has which is simply being maintained and turned off m6 >and a platform which a company is actively adding to. >m; >OpenVMS in the customers I deal with falls into the first p< >category, it exists it is being maintained where necessary 8 >and turned off where practical. To my knowledge in the ; >customer I deal with there are no new OpenVMS deployments a9 >going on, systems are being maintained but not added to.  > 9 >Again the fact that you can't grasp this is a testiment a6 >to your inabilities which you might be better off not >sharing with the world. >o  9 Hey, you said that you didn't see OpenVMS in your markets : anymore.  At the time, you didn't qualify the statement at8 all.  It served your purposes at the time to spread fear< among the OpenVMS faithful that their beloved OS had already* disappeared from a certain market segment.  : >Your tendancy to accuse people of lying because they have; >a contrary view to you or because you could not or did not.( >want to comprehend is just one example. >   = Oh?  I guess it was just a differece of opinion that the SIMS = product had no code developed originally on VMS?  I guess your< were expressing a different viewpoint when you said flat out: that the ecache problems were old news and fixed long ago?: Or perhaps it was a contrary view that you knew where the 6 problems lay with the eCache failures (bad suppliers, 8 environmental factors, whatever this week's excuse) when8 Sun VP Shoemaker was saying that Sun hadn't been able to narrow down the cause.  < I guess you've been spinning so long that you can't tell the5 difference between a difference of opinion and a lie.h  C >> When it befits your campaign against OpenVMS to say that OpenVMSnA >> has been completely replaced among your customers, that's whatoA >> you say.  When you prefer to have a few OpenVMS experts aroundr/ >> to ask questions, then they suddenly appear.w >> h >h= >No I have not said that. I don't encounter people deploying i> >new OpenVMS systems, I do encounter people who have existing ? >OpenVMS based systems. I suspect that you are the only person -2 >on this group who wants to make an issue of this. > C >> I would say something about your credibility, but you've already-@ >> established quite clearly that you have none whatsoever.  I'm? >> still waiting for your examples of how it was I who used theaC >> term FUD inconsistently.  Funny how you told another poster that * >> you never dodged questions from Jordan. >>   >-? >Really and you think that your ridiculous repetition of Rob's s$ >FUD (long after he got caught out)   ; If you are referring to Rob's statements about the Sun eBay : debacle, I don't recall my repeating anything Rob said.  I9 recall my asking you some questions that you weren't able0? to answer.  You just kept asserting that Sun has be absolved ino9 the eBay failures, but you've been unable to come up withe: any independent verification of those claims.  This in the; face of the fact that every time that Sun reliability comes 9 up in the press, eBay failures are mentioned at the same   time.l  > >                                   and your wildly inacurate - >Java postings established your credibility. f  > Specifically, which "wildly inaccurate" statements were those?; I only remember countering your pure FUD regarding OpenVMS  
 Java support.E  > >                                             Get more mirror > >time, I have suggested it before and your current posts only , >serve to illustrate that you still need it. >r  ; I'd advise you to get some mirror time, but if you had any r; integrity  you'd be unable to look at yourself in a mirror .A and, if as I suspect is the case, that you have no integrity then- it wouldn't matter.a   >Regards >Andrew Harrison >Enterprise IT Architect   -Jordan Hendersone jordan@greenapple.como   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 00:58:18 GMTo. From: Jim Binder <james.binder@pss.boeing.com> Subject: system disk space. Message-ID: <3A42A72A.5DD26E87@pss.boeing.com>  D I've inherited an Alpha 4100 w/openVMS 7.2 installed.  We do not add softwareH yet, the system disk is getting smaller.  Is there any location I should look/ for logs or temp files which should be deleted?   
 Thanks a lot.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 01:02:27 GMTo. From: Jim Binder <james.binder@pss.boeing.com> Subject: system disk space* Message-ID: <3A42A823.A34E5A44@boeing.com>  D I've inherited an Alpha 4100 w/openVMS 7.2 installed.  We do not add softwareH yet, the system disk is getting smaller.  Is there any location I should look/ for logs or temp files which should be deleted?u  
 Thanks a lot.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 23:07:26 -0600y7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>l Subject: Re: system disk space, Message-ID: <3A42E18E.50BE064@earthlink.net>   Jim Binder wrote:  > F > I've inherited an Alpha 4100 w/openVMS 7.2 installed.  We do not add
 > softwareJ > yet, the system disk is getting smaller.  Is there any location I should > look1 > for logs or temp files which should be deleted?r >  > Thanks a lot.    Try the usual suspects:p   SYS$MANAGER:OPERATOR.LOG SYS$MANAGER:ACCOUNTNG.DATg+ SYS$MANAGER:SECURITY.AUDIT$SERVER (I think)- SYS$ERRORLOG:ERRLOG.SYSa   I'm sure there are others...  - $ DIR/MOD/SIN="-1-" SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000...]j   -- : David J. Dachtera0 dba DJE Systemsu http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/f  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.t   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Dec 2000 04:58:40 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)  Subject: Re: system disk space' Message-ID: <91un20$ira$1@joe.rice.edu>   / Jim Binder (james.binder@pss.boeing.com) wrote: F : I've inherited an Alpha 4100 w/openVMS 7.2 installed.  We do not add
 : softwareJ : yet, the system disk is getting smaller.  Is there any location I should : look1 : for logs or temp files which should be deleted?u :c : Thanks a lot.o    F 1. Check the size of SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOURNAL  B    If it is large and getting larger, the following will shrink it    back to its normal size:a      $ jbc :== $jbc$commande    $jbce    JBC$COMMAND> diagnostic 7  ( 2. Check if image accounting is enabled:        $ SHOW ACCOUNTING  E      Accounting is currently enabled to log the following activities:t  1            PROCESS        any process terminationa>            IMAGE          image execution                <<===5            INTERACTIVE    interactive job terminationR(            LOGIN_FAILURE  login failures1            NETWORK        network job terminationa(            PRINT          all print jobs       If it is enabled, disable it:        $ SHOW ACCOUNTING$      $ SET ACCOUNTING /DISABLE=IMAGE  >   Optionally, create a new version of the VMS Accounting file:        $ SET ACCOUNTING /NEW_FILEo    4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 04:40:31 -0500 2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> Subject: Re: system disk space* Message-ID: <3A43218F.89F201A1@oracle.com>  7 I generally use a big hammer to start with.  others maya not be quite so aggressive  & 	$set volume /rebuild=force sys$system  	$anal/disk/repair sys$sysdevice 	$set account/new. 	$purge sys$sysdevice:[*...]  9 if that doesn't help, then I'd start by doing a directorya to find potential suspects:v  ( 	$dir /since=yester sys$sysdevice:[*...]   Jim Binder wrote:  > F > I've inherited an Alpha 4100 w/openVMS 7.2 installed.  We do not add
 > softwareJ > yet, the system disk is getting smaller.  Is there any location I should > look1 > for logs or temp files which should be deleted?e >  > Thanks a lot.    --  > norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 17:52:12 -050029 From: "Steven Shamlian" <not dot an at earthling dot net>.2 Subject: Re: System halts when console is shut off2 Message-ID: <91u1iu$rsd$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>  L Thanks to everyone for the help; I've decided to employ the "yank before youK switch" method (keep it simple...).  Now, I just have to *remember* to yanke before I switch...  %-)d =+=Steven Shamlian=+=e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:25:37 -0600h7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>v Subject: Re: Thank you- Message-ID: <3A42D7C1.2FBF713E@earthlink.net>h   Sue Skonetski wrote: > [snip]M > Thank you for your comments, feedback, passion and loyalty.  I do hear yoursJ > comments and they do make a difference, maybe not as quick as both of us% > would like but you are being heard.i  H ...and thank you, Sue, for the information you bring to us. Your efforts are greatly appreciated.  G On the subject of timeliness, I can only say this: Many (read: most) of-C the contracts I've dealt with over the years consistently contain a ? phrase to the effect, "time is of the essence". I'm continuallysB surprised that Compaq/OpenVMS has so little understanding of this.   -- y David J. Dachterac dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.k   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2000 05:17:00 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Vax on a chip0 Message-ID: <87lmt9jwz7.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  * Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> writes:  7 > Roger Ivie <rivie@server.newlogan.teraglobal> writes:nL > > Bear in mind that one flavor of the last round of VAX chips was (mostly)I > > pin-compatible with the 21064. An NV5, an APECS chipset, and a bit ofeI > > imagination yields a VAX with PCI. Been there, done that, didn't haves? > > enough funding or manpower to write my own SYSLOA module...s > J >   Was that the VAX 7000 / DEC 7000 cabinet that could take either VAX orH > AXP processors (but not a mix)? I heard that the only other change wasJ > re-flashing the XMI controllers for the different pagelet/scatter-gather > stuff.  ? The NVax chips came in 2 flavors, The NVax, and NVax+. The NVaxd= had a 'back-side' cache, the plus, front side. The + variantsV< were said in DTJ to be pin replacments for Alphas. There was  also the later NVax5 and NVax5+.     --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 01:28:10 GMT  From: cstranslations@msn.com4 Subject: Re: VMS / C - writing a server + admin util) Message-ID: <91uan3$75p$1@nnrp1.deja.com>$  + In article <91sgge$en0@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>,e.   "Tim Gray" <tim.gray@nospam_rl.ac.uk> wrote:  F > security is handled on writing / reading to a mailbox. Can you write it soaE > the app gets notified when something arrives in the mailbox? Rather3 than, > polling the mailbox to look for something?  ? You use $QIO to read/write to a mailbox. Simply specify an AST.n     If I was doing this on Win32, IE > might be looking at a different thread here to actually process the  admini > requests,g  1 Not being familiar with Win32 I'll take your wordn  G > at separate proxy threads maybe, maybe. Hmm. Out of curiosity, how dog you do > threads in C/VMS?o   DECthreads.f   Have to run (screaming infant).    Joee     Sent via Deja.comI http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:44:20 -0000g+ From: "Tim Gray" <tim.gray@nospam_rl.ac.uk> 4 Subject: Re: VMS / C - writing a server + admin util, Message-ID: <91v4cm$13am@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  ) <cstranslations@msn.com> wrote in messagee# news:91uan3$75p$1@nnrp1.deja.com...y- > In article <91sgge$en0@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>, 0 >   "Tim Gray" <tim.gray@nospam_rl.ac.uk> wrote:  A > You use $QIO to read/write to a mailbox. Simply specify an AST.s   Ta.   " >  If I was doing this on Win32, IG > > might be looking at a different thread here to actually process thes > admind
 > > requests,t >c3 > Not being familiar with Win32 I'll take your wordo  6 Errr, always a fatal mistake that... I aint no expert!  I > > at separate proxy threads maybe, maybe. Hmm. Out of curiosity, how dob > you do > > threads in C/VMS?t >e
 > DECthreads.a   Ta.r  ! > Have to run (screaming infant).c  " No worries, thanks for the info...   Tim.   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Dec 2000 16:38:42 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: RE: VMS 7.3 EFT2 Q 6 Message-ID: <92002i$hhp$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  | In article <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284B1D@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> writes: :Dave, :c# :>>> Anyone found notes on EFT2?<<<n :  :Reference:n1 :<http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/sdk.html>k :oK :Not sure, but I thought that once you were signed up as a FT Customer, youI6 :had access to the online doc's. Is this not the case?  I   I haven't packaged up the zip kit that contains the EFT2 documentation hH   CD-ROM quite yet, that's on the schedule for later today.  The rest ofH   the zip kits have been packaged up and transfered.  (The documentationE   is ISO9660, which means I have to package it slightly differently.)c  I   I've posted information on the release of the EFT2/SDK2 kits elsewhere.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 11:54:12 -0500 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>rQ Subject: Way off-topic, nothing to do with VMS (was Re: DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0)i4 Message-ID: <3HL06.102214$Z2.1215741@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  9 "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.decus.org> wrote in message % news:UUH2MoVu+Q3e@eisner.decus.org...  >..mE > No.  Legally he was President as soon as Kennedy died.  The way ther< > Constitution is written, it's extreemly hard to not have a
 President. >...  < Didn't you guys have three Presidents not too long ago??????    3 (Sorry, I tried to stop myself, but I had to post.)g   --   RULES OF THE AIR   -----------------r;   #3. Flying isn't dangerous. Crashing is what's dangerous.$   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 17:28:41 GMT , From: "J. Scott Greig" <jsgreig@geminaq.com>' Subject: X25 NVA0: marked /NoDisconnect@4 Message-ID: <dbM06.16168$7.680434@quark.idirect.com>  I Can anyone tell me if I can safely modify Sys$Startup:X25$X29_Startup.Comi= so that the NVA0 template device gets created "/Disconnect" ?e  H The logical name PSI$X29_Terminal_Characteristics is translated, but theE command procedure specifically sets the /NoDisconnect characteristic.n  @ The Vax version (Sys$Startup:PSI$Startup.Com) does not have this restriction.   Thanx  Scotto   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Dec 2000 05:00:22 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>) Subject: Re: XP1000 - which Graphics Card 0 Message-ID: <87ofy5jxqx.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  ( "Mike Burch" <mgburch@smart.net> writes:  H > time of their release and I doubt that 3DLabs will stay in this market* > (which is dominated by Nvidia and 3DFX).  3 As Nvidia have swallowed 3DLabs, that's a safe bet.n   And a few more options gone. J   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.r@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 13:35:24 GMTa1 From: CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au>o Subject: Re: Y20386 Message-ID: <wMI06.88$GH1.8674@nostril.pacific.net.au>  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:M > 2038 ???? I will be retired  in my farm using a neuronal chip in my mind to $ > check my health, "talk" to my wifeL > and read my "p-mails"  <--- psycho-mails .... I dont know if  the hardware& > will be from Compaq or Sun, I am notK > sure what company will win the war .... but the software will not be fromt, > Microsoft of course.... probably will be a > QNX +VMS merge :-)))   	:-)   	 @ 	...Well, in the year 2038, even though I would be pushing 80, IB 	think I will be expecting agog the latest version of VMS, V29-3 ,? 	from a company called  VMS Inc. , whose recently retired Vice-a? 	President, a knowledgeable veteran of VMS lore, called Stephena: 	Hoffman was just called in to fix some Y2038 "behaviour".@ 	After some negotiations and a hefty financial supplement to Mr.A 	Hoffman, he pointed out that the latest VMS FAQ already containsh6 	all the information needed. And lo, so it was...  :-)   					Cheers,		Csabad  J     P.S. To this news, the stock value of VMS Inc. doubled later that day.    6 >> Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote:K >> >   I plan to supplement my retirement income removing Y2038 behaviours.     I    ----------------------------------------------------------------------aE    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehognE    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush.eI    ----------------------------------------------------------------------e;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.713 ************************