1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 25 Dec 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 718       Contents: Re: BASIC License Question Re: Data Calculation Giving up on VMS Re: Giving up on VMS Re: Giving up on VMS Re: Giving up on VMS RE: Giving up on VMS Re: Giving up on VMS Re: Giving up on VMS( RE: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo Re: My Hardware WishList Re: OpenVMS Listserv Software  Re: OpenVMS Listserv Software 5 Re: OpenVMS Listserv Software & Hobbyist Mailing List  Re: Proxies for remote access   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 19:15:15 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com># Subject: Re: BASIC License Question ' Message-ID: <G636tF.Cv5@spcuna.spc.edu>   ) Neil Rieck <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: L > I just (00.12.22) did an upgrade from "VAX-BASIC 3.8" to "Compaq-BASIC forI > VAX 3.9" and now I get a license too old message when ever the complier J > starts. I reinstalled the old compiler and everything is back to normal.  J   To expand on the other poster's reply, the only time DEC/Compaq normallyL used this option was when sending out software updates for a couple of yearsK after VMS 5.0 (and LMF) came out. Since it took them a long time (sometimes K forever) to ship actual licenses to customers, they issued SUP's which were K a license key to allow the update to be loaded. These had a product release J date limitation to make sure they wouldn't work for future updates, though6 they would work "forever" for that particular update).  H   Normally, you need to contact your designated customer support channelK and ask for the correct license PAKs to be sent to you. The last time I did J this (many years ago) that was the CSC in Colorado. I have no idea if that7 is still the case, or if it works for non-US customers.   4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 15:11:35 -0600 % From: "David Ash" <jimjj@hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: Data Calculation / Message-ID: <t4cpk8h7731j8a@news.supernews.com>   = Thanks for all the help! Those suggestions fixed me right up.     0 "David Ash" <jimjj@hotmail.com> wrote in message) news:t48g9orsp33889@news.supernews.com... G > Do any of you have a programming example, preferably in DCL or C that D > calculates the difference in number of days between any two dates? >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 15:29:10 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Giving up on VMS , Message-ID: <3A465C96.321AF4F0@videotron.ca>  N I have a spare Microvax II. What are my options to put some free Unix on it ? ; How recent would that Unix be ?  Can it support X-windows ?   F Also, does anyone have some good pointers on learning "unix" x-windowsG programming (eg: not using any VMS specific functions to make a program  portable to Unix) ?   N I am coming to the conclusion that VMS is a hopeless case. Compaq just doesn'tK have the guts to do what it takes to revive VMS, so this current attempt at K convincing us that VMS isn't dead (with balls, posters etc) is just another A veil attempt that will fizzle out and be way too little too late.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 22:38:00 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> Subject: Re: Giving up on VMS ' Message-ID: <G63G7C.M5L@spcuna.spc.edu>   / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: P > I have a spare Microvax II. What are my options to put some free Unix on it ? = > How recent would that Unix be ?  Can it support X-windows ?   H   I'd suggest using some PC hardware that's no longer fast enough to runI Microsoft software - years ago, we "upgraded" a VAX-11/785 running a pre- J cursor to 4.4BSD to a 386DX/25 PC and the users thought it was a lot fast- er.   G   That way you don't have to futz with distribution media - just plop a I generic CD-ROM on the PC (if it doesn't already have one) and you're set.   4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 18:50:16 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: Giving up on VMS , Message-ID: <3A468BB7.22D27E71@videotron.ca>   Terry Kennedy wrote:I >   That way you don't have to futz with distribution media - just plop a K > generic CD-ROM on the PC (if it doesn't already have one) and you're set.   K I guess there is no way to boot Unix via ethernet, served by a VMS host, is L there ? Is there a way to boot a minimal Unix that fetches its stuff via NFS over the ethernet ?   L I hadn't though about that issue of media. That spare microvax has a not tooN functioning TK50 but I have no way of generating TK50s from the other microvax which has TK70.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 19:11:44 -0500 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Giving up on VMS > Message-ID: <hshubs-B99F1B.19114424122000@news.mindspring.com>  K In article <G63G7C.M5L@spcuna.spc.edu>, Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>   wrote:  0 >JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:L >> I have a spare Microvax II. What are my options to put some free Unix on  >> it ? > >> How recent would that Unix be ?  Can it support X-windows ? > I >  I'd suggest using some PC hardware that's no longer fast enough to run J >Microsoft software - years ago, we "upgraded" a VAX-11/785 running a pre-K >cursor to 4.4BSD to a 386DX/25 PC and the users thought it was a lot fast-  >er.  I Yes, that makes more sense.  It's also supported much better, sucks less  M power, has more current peripherals available to it, and over all costs less   to run.   O If you -must- run on the MV2, check http://www.linux.org for information about  8 acquiring the source code and building a kernel.  Also, - http://linux-vax.sourceforge.net/ might help.   M I'd think that IF you had the kernel source on VMS, AND you resolved all the  L reference problems, you could probably build the kernel using a LINK/SYSTEM * command.  It's not something I've tried... --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 16:31:49 -0800 ! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: RE: Giving up on VMS 9 Message-ID: <EJEDILJIPPJOIEFOLDHLIEFGCCAA.tom@kednos.com>   = Do yourself a favor, don't think about anything other than an L Intel box and Linux, this will give you the best price and broadest possible support.  I Check out www.bxboards.com for tips on overclocking and MP.  I think that 
 NetBSD may do what you are looking for.   > -----Original Message-----6 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]) > Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 3:50 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: Re: Giving up on VMS  >  >  > Terry Kennedy wrote:K > >   That way you don't have to futz with distribution media - just plop a A > > generic CD-ROM on the PC (if it doesn't already have one) and 
 > you're set.  > @ > I guess there is no way to boot Unix via ethernet, served by a > VMS host, is@ > there ? Is there a way to boot a minimal Unix that fetches its > stuff via NFS  > over the ethernet ?  > @ > I hadn't though about that issue of media. That spare microvax > has a not too A > functioning TK50 but I have no way of generating TK50s from the  > other microvax > which has TK70.  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 17:48:16 -0700 (MST) ) From: John Nebel <nebel@athena.csdco.com>  Subject: Re: Giving up on VMS G Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0012241743340.17964-100000@athena.csdco.com>   I OSF/DU/Tru64 is a really nice system.  You could get an old Alpha and run  that.   
 John Nebel  $ On Sun, 24 Dec 2000, JF Mezei wrote:   > Terry Kennedy wrote:K > >   That way you don't have to futz with distribution media - just plop a M > > generic CD-ROM on the PC (if it doesn't already have one) and you're set.  > M > I guess there is no way to boot Unix via ethernet, served by a VMS host, is N > there ? Is there a way to boot a minimal Unix that fetches its stuff via NFS > over the ethernet ?  > N > I hadn't though about that issue of media. That spare microvax has a not tooP > functioning TK50 but I have no way of generating TK50s from the other microvax > which has TK70.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 19:11:38 -0600 ) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>  Subject: Re: Giving up on VMS / Message-ID: <t4d7hjs8kqtn67@corp.supernews.com>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3A468BB7.22D27E71@videotron.ca...  @ > I guess there is no way to boot Unix via ethernet, served by aA > VMS host, is there ? Is there a way to boot a minimal Unix that / > fetches its stuff via NFS over the ethernet ?   H NetBSD supports a MOP boot and VAX.  I do not know if that is limited toL specific models.  I do not know how far the current LINUX on VAX has gotten.J I seem to recall seeing on their web page that they were also MOP booting.  L I personally have no intention of giving up on VMS, but I think it is alwaysI a good idea to understand other operating environments and get experience  with interoperability.  L LINUX on any architecture should be able to boot from a VMS host with BOOTP, TFTP, and NFS.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network  " Representing only my own opinions.   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Dec 2000 13:12:55 PSTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)1 Subject: RE: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo 3 Message-ID: <WxL1pEth7QIS@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>   M In article <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240112017@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>,  ?     	John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> writes: F > The "Happy Holidays" (Ugh!) message was aimed at people with desktop3 > systems. VMS is not marketed as a desktop system.   H         Is that right (people  with  desktop systems)?  I wouldn't know,H     because  the  messages never reached me.  OTOH, I seem to be  typingH     this response on a desktop  system,  a  PW500au  running  VMS  7.2-1H     (_and_  with  a  _nice_ Compaq P900 monitor - great for my tired old     eyes!  :-).    M > Even if the message had somehow been adapted to run through a "VMS browser" N > I wonder how many of us have VMS hardware configured to reproduce the audio.K > I suspect the percentage would be low. On the other hand the number of us I > with PCs available, and used, on our desktops must be high. The message  > reaches its target audience.  6         Uh, OK, the target audience == PC users, eh?    H         Nope,  that  doesn't   fly   either.   All  incoming  executableH     attachments  are stripped by our mail server before being  deliveredH     to the recipients "mailbox".  Does _your_ site have  any  anti-virus     policies in place??   H         Of course, if the  message  _had_  been  targeted  at VMS users,H     virii wouldn't have been an issue and the attachment would have beenH     either  a  "data  file",  e.g.,  a .jpg or .gif,  or  a  pointer  toH     something that _could_ be displayed and appreciated using NS 3.03 onH     a VMS host.  Or better  yet,  PLAIN  TEXT!   Gads,  what  _is_  thisH     facination  with  glitzy  multi-media  GARBAGE?!  This must be proofH     that  business  people  know  _nothing_  about  running  a  businessH     efficiently  and that "free enterprize" as a road to efficiency is a     _myth_!  Sigh...           -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 15:55:08 -0500 - From: daytripper <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> ! Subject: Re: My Hardware WishList 8 Message-ID: <c2oc4tkl3dgv95ocivasn50qec2h26lifq@4ax.com>  7 On Sun, 24 Dec 2000 12:21:12 -0600, "David J. Dachtera" $ <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:  . >(cross-posted to comp.sys.intel, comp.os.vms) >  >Hi, Folks,  > I >I normally hang out on comp.os.vms where they keep insisting that VMS on A >Intel won't be possible until these systems provide 255 vectored  >interrupts. > G >At one time, there were Alpha systems that supported NT, VMS and more.  > H >So, I guess that would be my wish for the New Millenium (now that we'reH >REALLY on the threshold of it, unlike last year at this time). An IntelE >mobo that provides support for Linux, *BSD, Micro$hit *AND* OpenVMS. G >Then, the only remaining obstacles would relate to processor modes and ? >such - and those can be overcome, just as they did with Alpha.   N OK, but only if someone throws in some cheap gigabit QDR SDRAMs with a tRAS of 20ns or better...    /daytripper    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 12:03:13 -0700 (MST) ) From: John Nebel <nebel@athena.csdco.com> & Subject: Re: OpenVMS Listserv SoftwareG Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0012241157280.11998-100000@athena.csdco.com>    Barry,  E see www.lsoft.com  (the company which invented listserv runs it under "                     VMS thmselves)  ? or  www.process.com (PMDF - a great system - includes mailserv)   
 John Nebel  * On Sun, 24 Dec 2000, Barry Skidmore wrote:  A > Is anyone aware of listserver software that runs under OpenVMS?  >  > Barry  >    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2000 14:37:07 -0500/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) & Subject: Re: OpenVMS Listserv Software* Message-ID: <925j93$p29$1@lisa.gemair.com>  E Some folks in Compaq OpenVMS Engineering ported Majordomo a few years D back, and it was included in the Internet Product Suite.  I've neverF heard of anyone who's actually _used_ it, however.  I asked on severalA mailing lists and here (IIRC) some time back and got no response.   # Anyway, the port is available here:   @    http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/majordomo/  3 But, I bet it doesn't work without some coercion.     G In article <Pine.OSF.4.21.0012241157280.11998-100000@athena.csdco.com>, + John Nebel  <nebel@athena.csdco.com> wrote:  >  >Barry,  > F >see www.lsoft.com  (the company which invented listserv runs it under# >                    VMS thmselves)  > @ >or  www.process.com (PMDF - a great system - includes mailserv) >  >John Nebel  > + >On Sun, 24 Dec 2000, Barry Skidmore wrote:  > B >> Is anyone aware of listserver software that runs under OpenVMS? >>   >> Barry >>   >    -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 19:20:24 GMT 3 From: skidmore@alternate-venue.org (Barry Skidmore) > Subject: Re: OpenVMS Listserv Software & Hobbyist Mailing List0 Message-ID: <3a464bd5.171274743@news.iquest.net>  C The primary reason I posted this message is that I was wondering if D there would be sufficient interest in starting a mailing list gearedA toward OpenVMS Hobbyists, as I am one myself.  It would seem only 4 appropriate that the mailing list run under OpenVMS.  . Responses (positive and negative) are invited.   Barry   E On Sun, 24 Dec 2000 18:19:04 GMT, skidmore@alternate-venue.org (Barry  Skidmore) wrote:  @ >Is anyone aware of listserver software that runs under OpenVMS? >  >Barry   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 20:37:01 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>& Subject: Re: Proxies for remote access( Message-ID: <925j57$pof$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  F Yes, it works that way. The question is whether you want system A wideH open, securitywise. Perhaps not intentionally, but users have been notedB for mistyping and  you wouldn't want DEL A::SYS$SYSTEM:*.*.* to be succesful, right. ( So two possible solutions are available:0 1) put an nonprivileged user and password in NCP* 2) create a proxy to an nonprivileged userC Both solutions require that you create an entry in SYSUAF, possibly H without interactive, nor batch access and limited privileges, say NETMBX only.   
 Hans Vlems  ) William Hymen heeft geschreven in berichtu0 <3oe16.124136$IP1.4308700@news1.giganews.com>...< >If I have two nodes A and B, and I have user id Bravo on B.5 >Can I simply create a proxy on A without having userV >bravo also on A?  ie:> >$mcr authorize add/proxy b::bravo local_valid_A_user /default >F9 >I need user bravo on B to be able to push save-sets overi? >to A (decnet)  Does it matter if I use user system or sysbatchtF >as a proxy account on A? (I know these accounts will always be there) >- >Bill- >- >-   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.718 ************************