1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 28 Dec 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 725       Contents:3 Re: ??== Examples of TCPIP socket FORTRAN programs.  Re: ACMS & Codasyl database C Announcing PQM V1.1-00: Print Queue Manager for users and operators / Re: Any tips and/or tricks for VMS with HSG80s? . Auditing VMS system for identifier references?2 Re: Auditing VMS system for identifier references?2 Re: Auditing VMS system for identifier references? Re: BASIC License Question6 Re: Bug - NLB0: crash, was: "NLA0: the null device..." CHARON x Compaq Notebook FTP is waiting to long!  Re: FTP is waiting to long!  RE: FTP is waiting to long!  Re: FTP is waiting to long!  RE: FTP is waiting to long! ( Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo( Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo Re: IPROBE for VMSC Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist email list (was RE: OpenVMS Listserv Software) 
 Re: remove Re: system disk space  Re: system disk space $ TZ887 equiv not unloading on /UNLOAD What is ...?  (learning VMS)  Re: What is ...?  (learning VMS)  Re: What is ...?  (learning VMS)  Re: What is ...?  (learning VMS)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 12:39:04 +0100 , From: aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus)< Subject: Re: ??== Examples of TCPIP socket FORTRAN programs.D Message-ID: <aus-2812001239040001@wvia78.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>  D In article <OFB4C55478.1298374C-ON882569C2.006EDB15@foundation.com>," Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:  L > I don't have any PD stuff, but I have some well commented private examplesE > that I might be able to let you peek at. What do you need them for?  >  > Shane  >      Shane,  J We run a laboratory DB for the Department of Virology at the University ofJ Wuerzburg Hospitals. A new application requires us to read two dimensionalG bar codes which contain information about the patient, his specimen and B the requested tests. The 2D label reader is attached to a PC whichJ communicates with a Unix machine via TCPIP socket programming - we need toJ receive the the same information on our OVMS Alpha. The Unix system is theI heart of the central labs and we are a department system. The information ; from the 2D label is contained in one 512 byte text buffer.    > B > aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus) on 12/27/2000 02:14:13 AM >  > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > cc:  > ; > Subject:  ??== Examples of TCPIP socket FORTRAN programs.  >  > I > Are there any PD examples available of programming TCPIP sockets either 3 > directly in FORTRAN or using calls to C programs?  > " > OpenVMS 7.2-1, Alpha, TCPIP 5.0a >  > --D > Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   --  B Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 17:36:25 +0000 . From: Peter Jackson <peter.jackson@oracle.com>$ Subject: Re: ACMS & Codasyl database* Message-ID: <3A4B7A19.6CA1AF47@oracle.com>  I We (Oracle) reorganised how kits are delivered earlier this year. Instead H of shipping products individually we now ship CD Packs containing groups? of related products. Oracle CODASYL DBMS is included in the Rdb B CD Pack. V4 has DBMS 7.0.3 and Rdb 7.0.5. A new one with Rdb 7.0.6 is due soon.  
 Peter Jackson  Rdb Support (and DBMS)	 Oracle UK    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:42:56 +1030 % From: Jeremy Begg <jeremy@vsm.com.au> L Subject: Announcing PQM V1.1-00: Print Queue Manager for users and operators* Message-ID: <3A4B89B0.1E640588@vsm.com.au>   Hi,   G I've just released PQM V1.1-00.  It's a Printer Queue Manager for users  and operators.  F PQM is a screen-based utility which presents a user-friendly interfaceE to the OpenVMS print queue system.  It is designed for ease-of-use by F users and operators who do not wish to learn, or have no direct access: to, the DCL commands which are relevant to printer queues.  E It is intended for use in environments where there is a heavy printer E load (many queues and/or many jobs) and individual users wish to have D some control over their jobs and the queues those jobs are processed in.   F PQM is available at http://ftp.vsm.com.au/kits/pqm.zip or via ftp fromF ftp://ftp.vsm.com.au/kits/pqm.zip.  Executables are provided for AlphaE and VAX and should run on OpenVMS V6.1 and later.  Source files and a C build procedure are also provided; you will need a Pascal compiler.   + Please send any feedback to pqm@vsm.com.au.    Regards,           Jeremy Begg   =   +---------------------------------------------------------+ =   |            VSM Software Services Pty. Ltd.              | =   |                 http://www.vsm.com.au/                  | =   |       "OpenVMS Systems Management & Programming"        | =   |---------------------------------------------------------| =   | P.O.Box 402, Walkerville, |  E-Mail:  jeremy@vsm.com.au | =   | South Australia 5081      |   Phone:  +61 8 83592155    | =   |---------------------------|  Mobile:  0414 422 947      | =   |  A.C.N. 068 409 156       |     FAX:  +61 8 82231777    | =   +---------------------------------------------------------+    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Dec 2000 10:04:00 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)8 Subject: Re: Any tips and/or tricks for VMS with HSG80s?+ Message-ID: <iy4PTBISmImE@eisner.decus.org>   Q In article <92c432$nul$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com> writes: - > In article <maPIHNsEbAYK@eisner.decus.org>, / >   young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) wrote:    >>: >> 	I went back to my notes and picked up on a few things.8 >> 	under a slide titled "Look Out!!!"  this note rests: >>4 >> 		Solaris and NT must be on seperate fabrics when >> 		using multipath.  >  > I'd translate that to:6 > "both host bus adapters must be in separate fabrics" > or@ > "Secure Path Version 2 can only cope with 2 paths to a device" > D > There is now Secure Path V3 (V3.1) for NT which can do more than 2G > (8, if I recall correctly). Note that the licensing model has changed A > with V3. Every NT/W2000 server now needs a Secure Path license.  > . > http://www.compaq.com/products/storageworks/1 >     Storage-Management-Software/SecurePath.html  > < >>	SecurePath provides multipath functionality but to ensure? >>  separate fabrics zoning will have to come into play, right?  > 5 > No. I don't think so (or I'm misunderstanding you). @ > Zoning will not convert a physically meshed fabric into two or > more fabrics.  >     9 	Just so happen to have a consultant looking into what is = 	meant by the above "Look Out!!!".  Will see what his friends @ 	at Compaq say.  He seems to think it is a misprint.  Otherwise,4 	you have to have seperate swtiches, etc.  I do know@ 	one thing... this is a nice steep learning curve and if you get 	it wrong... uh-oh!!!    				Rob    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Dec 2000 10:22:34 -05001 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) 7 Subject: Auditing VMS system for identifier references? + Message-ID: <chiB9ZL7Kh6F@eisner.decus.org>   I I'm expecting the dreaded IS audit early next month. Our internal account K administration folks have asked me to come up with a report, by identifier, K of what access that identifier grants. They want an inventory of everything ; on the system that having that identifier allows access to.   J All I can think of are VERY brute force ways to do this. Does any one haveL an existing solution to this problem, elegant or not? Any help, particularly) in the form of DCL would be most welcome.   J BTW, we're running Alpha VMS V7.2 just about everywhere. And the disk farmL alone is about 150 logical devices totalling over 2 TB. Brute force will NOT be pretty...  
 Bob Kaplow   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Dec 2000 10:44:31 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) ; Subject: Re: Auditing VMS system for identifier references? + Message-ID: <+eRjUL6e2g0G@eisner.decus.org>   _ In article <chiB9ZL7Kh6F@eisner.decus.org>, kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) writes: K > I'm expecting the dreaded IS audit early next month. Our internal account M > administration folks have asked me to come up with a report, by identifier, M > of what access that identifier grants. They want an inventory of everything = > on the system that having that identifier allows access to.  > : > All I can think of are VERY brute force ways to do this.  I But the request _requires_ a brute force search on VMS.  Things are quite E different on MVS where they access control lists are in a centralized 	 database.   K By "Allows Access" they probably mean "can participate in allowing access", G but they have not considered the full capabilities of VMS ACLs in their  wording.   > Does any one have N > an existing solution to this problem, elegant or not? Any help, particularly+ > in the form of DCL would be most welcome.  > L > BTW, we're running Alpha VMS V7.2 just about everywhere. And the disk farmN > alone is about 150 logical devices totalling over 2 TB. Brute force will NOT > be pretty...  7 But brute force is _required_ by the problem statement. E Unless you are running without a rights list, every file has at least I one identifier that "Allows Access" -- the owner.  The list will be long.    I would suggest:  B 	Brute force DIRECTORY/NOHEADER/NOTRAILER/SECURITY of <all files>.  ? 	Postprocess that output to reduce each entry to a single line.   B 	Postprocess that output to mark identifiers with a unique initial 	character, perhaps "&".  C 	Mung a list of identifiers for your system to form an alphabetized 1 	series of SEARCH commands for "&eachidentifier".   % 	Run the resulting command procedure.    	Give them the output.  B 	While they are reading that, do the same thing with SHOW SECURITY 	for non-file objects.   	Give them that output.   6 	Charge their cost center for CPU time and disk space.  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 11:33:08 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ; Subject: Re: Auditing VMS system for identifier references? , Message-ID: <3A4B6B42.10926142@videotron.ca>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:K >         Brute force DIRECTORY/NOHEADER/NOTRAILER/SECURITY of <all files>.   L Woudln't some program with $CHECK_ACCESS do a better job at making a list ofL all the files a user has access to ? (you could do that for devices as well, right ?)  N Obviously, a user with SYSPRIV or other nasty priv could be bypassed since you0 already know what he has access to (everything).    ? >         Charge their cost center for CPU time and disk space.   $ And charge for printer and paper :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 17:56:46 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com># Subject: Re: BASIC License Question ' Message-ID: <G6AHun.Izr@spcuna.spc.edu>   4 Mark Buda <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com> writes:F > Terry is correct.  Licensing loads the PAK into memory (i.e. loadingI > PAKS into memory that you do not use wastes logical name space - if you G > are not using it, disable it).  Whether you use them or not, is up to J > the products calling the license routines.  When a product, in your caseJ > Basic, executes a call to check the license ability, licensing returns a4 > failure to Basic, which in returns it back to you.  K    BTW, in off-line discussions with the original poster, it looks like the J PAK in question was an incorrectly-generated (by DEC) temporary PAK. It isJ an ATS-xxx PAK, but instead of a termination date, a date 91 days from theH PAK generation date was entered as the product release date. This likelyJ explains most of the confusion (since VAX BASIC 3.8 shouldn't work with anK old SUP). The original poster is going to contact the Compaq licensing con- ; tact I provided and work on getting the correct PAK issued.   4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:00:35 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>? Subject: Re: Bug - NLB0: crash, was: "NLA0: the null device..." ' Message-ID: <G6AI0z.MF8@spcuna.spc.edu>   4 Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> writes:M >   "Caution: Use extreme care when issuing SYSGEN CONNECT and LOAD commands  K >   because the system does little error checking.  An incorrect vector or  J >   misspelled device name, for example, will damage the I/O database and 9 >   could cause the system to fail."  -SysMan Essentials.   L   Sure. But I don't think either of those apply here. If NLA0: is one of theN dedicated, sacred device names, then SYSGEN and friends should have a completeL set of "you can't do that" errors for trying to clone it. From earlier postsJ here, it looks like they check for non-zero units on NLA but not making a N second controller (NLB). If I get some spare time (hah!) I'll look at the code to see why it is barfing.   4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 15:59:57 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br ! Subject: CHARON x Compaq Notebook L Message-ID: <OF359980BE.BA4F1BC7-ON032569C3.00682697@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  = People from SRI says that CHARON can be used in Notebooks for 
 demonstration H but nowadays Compaq is developing serial-less Notebooks. Who=B4s wrong = ?     H http://computers.cnet.com/hardware/0-1027-7-3990422.html?tag=3Dst.co.10= 26.bhed.1027-7-3990422  
 Fabio Cardoso   
 Happy XXI=   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:13:40 +0100 - From: "Roland Hauk" <roland.hauk@indramat.de>   Subject: FTP is waiting to long!- Message-ID: <92fl1o$kvs1@sunny.mannesmann.de>   ( We have OpenVMS7.2 and TCPIP (UCX) V5.0.    - Now I connect to a FTP server.3 - The IP is reachable, but the FTP program is down.   # I start FTP:  $ FTP 111.222.333.444 5 and FTP is now waiting for login without any timeout.     What must I do to get a timeout?   Roland Hauk  Rexroth Indramat   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 08:46:37 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <treahy@mmaz.com> $ Subject: Re: FTP is waiting to long!( Message-ID: <3A4B605D.C8DB0603@mmaz.com>  1 Hi Roland, I can see several reasons for a delay.   B 1. The target machine has problems with their DNS server or cannotG reverse DNS lookup your IP because of a DNS configuration error on your  machine.  B 2. They are blocking FTP access (TCP port 21) and not allowing for7 rejection notification but simply dropping the packets.   E 3. The target system is failing during process creation of the remote  TCP process.  G If you do a netstat on both systems, what do you see for the connection  state between the two?   Barry    Roland Hauk wrote:  * > We have OpenVMS7.2 and TCPIP (UCX) V5.0. > " > - Now I connect to a FTP server.5 > - The IP is reachable, but the FTP program is down.  > % > I start FTP:  $ FTP 111.222.333.444 7 > and FTP is now waiting for login without any timeout.  > " > What must I do to get a timeout? > 
 > Roland Hauk  > Rexroth Indramat   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 11:01:07 -0500 4 From: "Bochnik, William J" <BochnikWJ@bernstein.com>$ Subject: RE: FTP is waiting to long!J Message-ID: <2B37459189B0D211BE710000F8EF9D8508908A76@nts0147.beehive.com>  K I think you missed his point - he knows that the server end is not running, L but he wants his ftp to timeout (indicating the problem).  I think (at leastI on several implementations) that the timeout is set to 5 min, and he isnt  waiting that long....      >From: Barry Treahy, Jr.  ! >Sent: December 28, 2000 10:47 AM  >To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com% >Subject: Re: FTP is waiting to long!  >  > 2 >Hi Roland, I can see several reasons for a delay. > C >1. The target machine has problems with their DNS server or cannot H >reverse DNS lookup your IP because of a DNS configuration error on your	 >machine.l >tC >2. They are blocking FTP access (TCP port 21) and not allowing forr8 >rejection notification but simply dropping the packets. >iF >3. The target system is failing during process creation of the remote
 >TCP process.r >eH >If you do a netstat on both systems, what do you see for the connection >state between the two?  >s >Barry >A >Roland Hauk wrote:" >H+ >> We have OpenVMS7.2 and TCPIP (UCX) V5.0.g >># >> - Now I connect to a FTP server. 6 >> - The IP is reachable, but the FTP program is down. >>& >> I start FTP:  $ FTP 111.222.333.4448 >> and FTP is now waiting for login without any timeout. >># >> What must I do to get a timeout?o >> >> Roland Hauk >> Rexroth Indramatr >o   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO8  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:15:18 -0700.+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <treahy@mmaz.com>-$ Subject: Re: FTP is waiting to long!( Message-ID: <3A4B6716.875B0123@mmaz.com>  N Perhaps I did miss something, but if there isn't an active TCP service runningG on the port, I do not know of any ftp client that takes five minutes toaP 'timeout', you should see a connection refused message returned or on VMS you'll: see a error related to being unable to create the circuit.   Barry    "Bochnik, William J" wrote:o  M > I think you missed his point - he knows that the server end is not running,aN > but he wants his ftp to timeout (indicating the problem).  I think (at leastK > on several implementations) that the timeout is set to 5 min, and he isntn > waiting that long....s >  > >From: Barry Treahy, Jr.# > >Sent: December 28, 2000 10:47 AMh > >To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com' > >Subject: Re: FTP is waiting to long!i > >a > >t4 > >Hi Roland, I can see several reasons for a delay. > >cE > >1. The target machine has problems with their DNS server or cannotVJ > >reverse DNS lookup your IP because of a DNS configuration error on your > >machine.m > > E > >2. They are blocking FTP access (TCP port 21) and not allowing forr: > >rejection notification but simply dropping the packets. > >0H > >3. The target system is failing during process creation of the remote > >TCP process.P > >cJ > >If you do a netstat on both systems, what do you see for the connection > >state between the two?e > >  > >Barry > >T > >Roland Hauk wrote:  > >a- > >> We have OpenVMS7.2 and TCPIP (UCX) V5.0.  > >>% > >> - Now I connect to a FTP server.m8 > >> - The IP is reachable, but the FTP program is down. > >>( > >> I start FTP:  $ FTP 111.222.333.444: > >> and FTP is now waiting for login without any timeout. > >>% > >> What must I do to get a timeout?j > >> > >> Roland Hauk > >> Rexroth Indramat  > >a >  > -- >DA > Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOs >eC > E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028a   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOO  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028b   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 11:19:55 -0500r4 From: "Bochnik, William J" <BochnikWJ@bernstein.com>$ Subject: RE: FTP is waiting to long!J Message-ID: <2B37459189B0D211BE710000F8EF9D8508908A78@nts0147.beehive.com>  K good point - his client should almost immediately return an error.  Roland,5L what happens if you try ftp'ing to a addr. that doesnt exist (or the machine is down)???    -----Original Message----- From: Barry Treahy, Jr.   Sent: December 28, 2000 11:15 AM To: Bochnik, William J Cc: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come$ Subject: Re: FTP is waiting to long!    F Perhaps I did miss something, but if there isn't an active TCP service runningiG on the port, I do not know of any ftp client that takes five minutes tonI 'timeout', you should see a connection refused message returned or on VMS  you'll: see a error related to being unable to create the circuit.   Barryh   "Bochnik, William J" wrote:   D > I think you missed his point - he knows that the server end is not running,H > but he wants his ftp to timeout (indicating the problem).  I think (at leastrK > on several implementations) that the timeout is set to 5 min, and he isntp > waiting that long....P >a > >From: Barry Treahy, Jr.# > >Sent: December 28, 2000 10:47 AMe > >To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com' > >Subject: Re: FTP is waiting to long!- > >- > >-4 > >Hi Roland, I can see several reasons for a delay. > >.E > >1. The target machine has problems with their DNS server or cannot J > >reverse DNS lookup your IP because of a DNS configuration error on your > >machine.- > >-E > >2. They are blocking FTP access (TCP port 21) and not allowing for : > >rejection notification but simply dropping the packets. > > H > >3. The target system is failing during process creation of the remote > >TCP process.  > > J > >If you do a netstat on both systems, what do you see for the connection > >state between the two?- > >- > >Barry > >  > >Roland Hauk wrote:- > >-- > >> We have OpenVMS7.2 and TCPIP (UCX) V5.0.o > >>% > >> - Now I connect to a FTP server.R8 > >> - The IP is reachable, but the FTP program is down. > >>( > >> I start FTP:  $ FTP 111.222.333.444: > >> and FTP is now waiting for login without any timeout. > >>% > >> What must I do to get a timeout?e > >> > >> Roland Hauk > >> Rexroth Indramato > >n >w > -- > A > Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO	 >eC > E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028d   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOr  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028c   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 08:07:01 +0000 (UTC) ' From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi> 1 Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllol, Message-ID: <92esb5$qac$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>  + Rob Young <young_r@eisner.decus.org> wrote:SX > In article <92crd8$a59$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>, Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi> writes:< >> John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> wrote: ...i, >>> The message reaches its target audience. >> iL >> Exactly. It seems to be a message from a fool to stupids.  :-)        /OK   > 	No no no...  D Seems that way to me. Head of VMS business has something like "MerryC Christmas" put on VMS web page in format unreadable (unplayable) bylB VMS tools and as executable, that should be forbidden by primitive security rules.   ) >  and this whole thing is rather silly. s   Yes, I must agree here.v   >       I know ITt; > 	directors and CIOs that have never logged into their VMSa@ > 	platforms they own, nor their AIX boxes, Sun boxes, NT boxes,= > 	etc.  They read their email and do other PC related stuff.5A > 	By counter-example, how many CIOs do you know that have actived> > 	VMS accounts?  I'm asking because I don't believe there are > 	many at all.c  3 Nonsense. Those CIOs etc. don't scan VMS web pages.xH I don't know of others, but I'm the only person in our university who isG interested in VMS pages and I have have only Alphastation and never use.C wintel stuff. So the greeting was not for me, and I'm glad. I don'ttE want crap like that or flashing balls etc. - real things like the newc edu licensing works better.n  4 >       Hence, the Windows flash message would reach > 	the target audience.r  D Yes, who seem to be the stupids, who the fool meant as audience. :-)   /OKV   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 17:46:36 -0000v- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) 1 Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo-/ Message-ID: <t4mv3slg1d21b3@news.supernews.com>m  B fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote in <OFB17542D1.24A7E72A-, ON032569BC.00496CF4@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>:   >Click > 7 >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/happyholidays/index.htmlh >e >And from me too ! :-) >FCs >.  L A lot of bunched panties over this one!  In a multi-platform world, perhaps J the Christmas message would have been best rendered in multiple formats.  C But if you want the OpenVMS message to spread easily and widely in iI management circles, it had better be in a format a Microsoft desktop can n- inhale - Windows "owns" our managers (today).   J In my quest for "most popular person in this newsgroup", I'd also like to J offer this:  OpenVMS ain't a desktop OS.  Maybe it was going to be at one J time (or perhaps not), but I don't see it now.  All the high-end features J that make it so scalable and reliable differentiate it from Windows.  I'd @ hate to see the OpenVMS team re-direct their efforts to desktop L applications.  There are significantly larger and more strategic challenges G that need to be addressed in a wired world, like IFD (Immense Freakin' oI Databases) and IFUB:  ten million interactive users pounding on your web e" site (Immense Freakin' User Base).  I If you want to run OpenVMS as your desktop - my hat's off to you. If you  @ want to communicate with your management, uhmmmm, use the phone.  r   ws   -- t3 << What if there were no hypothetical questions? >>i   Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press  ? ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **I   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Dec 2000 16:41:01 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: IPROBE for VMSi6 Message-ID: <92d62t$jd2$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  / "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote s7   in message news:871yuvf3ti.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com...t :r? : On the current Linux Powertools for Alpha Linux, is a versiont= : of IPROBE. Any chance of the VMS version of this being mader : available?    I   I am presently trying to pry loose either IPROBE or (the rather nicer) dI   [C/D]CPI tool for inclusion on an upcoming OpenVMS Freeware release -- =H   one or both of these tools may be distributed sometime during CY2001, H   at my best guess.  (Though it is not currently clear if these will be F   included on the Freeware, or packaged and distributed in some other    fashion.)0  I   An early baselevel of [C/D]CPI is presently up and running on OpenVMS, R=   and IPROBE is also running (here within Compaq) on OpenVMS.   K   For those that are unfamiliar with these widgets, these widgets are toolscJ   for profiling Alpha application operations -- at the instruction level. F   [C/D]CPI samples using the Alpha performance counter hardware, whichF   permits the creation of profiles containing samples for executables,   shareables, and the kernel.S  )   For some details on IPROBE (for Linux):s  ;     ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Linux-Alpha-Tools/iprobe/   D   I do not know (off-hand) if any [C/D]CPI information is externally   available.    E   Note to the unwary: I've seen it refered to as CPI, DCPI, and CCPI.0E   I have here refered to the Continous Profiling Infrastructure tool :7   as [C/D]CPI to increase the associated confusion. :-)s  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 19:49:01 GMT 3 From: skidmore@alternate-venue.org (Barry Skidmore) L Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist email list (was RE: OpenVMS Listserv Software). Message-ID: <3a4a4746.9560584@news.iquest.net>  D The few responses I have received about creating a separate list forC OpenVMS hobbyists have been negative, so I will not go forward witht this idea.     Barry Skidmore  E >  Please also consider the potential for fragmentation of the targetPG >  audience versus the perceived benefits of targeting the discussions.aF >  (I regularly see various questions duplicated across various fora.) >sO > --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------gM >   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com  >k   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Dec 2000 15:56:07 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: removeN6 Message-ID: <92d3en$j1q$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   In article <Pine.OSF.4.10.10012221034440.20227-100000@gator1.brazosport.cc.tx.us>, Carol Lee Poush <cpoush@brazosport.cc.tx.us> writes:g :removeA  I   Please see the information you received upon your original subscriptioneI   -- or please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- for directions on removing yourselfm>   from the Info-VAX mailing list.  FAQ: www.openvms.compaq.com  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:16:14 -0000e- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)n Subject: Re: system disk space/ Message-ID: <t4n0rejtmf4r6b@news.supernews.com>   D james.binder@pss.boeing.com (Jim Binder) wrote in <3A42A72A.5DD26E87 @pss.boeing.com>:n  E >I've inherited an Alpha 4100 w/openVMS 7.2 installed.  We do not addl	 >softwarehI >yet, the system disk is getting smaller.  Is there any location I shouldp >lookt0 >for logs or temp files which should be deleted? >, >Thanks a lot.  J The previous answers to this question seem very good, but I'd like to add L this:  If you've just inherited the system, then turning off accounting, or J blindly purging files, could upset whatever application runs on it.  It's K unlikely, but the possibility is there.  Perhaps a quick phone call to the  / last guy who maintained it would be in order...e   ws     -- w3 << What if there were no hypothetical questions? >>1   Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press  ? ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:18:28 -0000.- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)- Subject: Re: system disk space/ Message-ID: <t4n0vkh9dk4ra5@news.supernews.com>.  D james.binder@pss.boeing.com (Jim Binder) wrote in <3A42A823.A34E5A44
 @boeing.com>:n  E >I've inherited an Alpha 4100 w/openVMS 7.2 installed.  We do not addg	 >softwareaI >yet, the system disk is getting smaller.  Is there any location I shouldn >look 0 >for logs or temp files which should be deleted? >  >Thanks a lot.  L Someone's gotta ask this too:  Is the disk getting smaller (total blocks is K decreasing), or is it filling up (FREE blocks is decreasing).  If it's the vF former, the answer to your question is completely different than what  you've received thus far.e   ws   -- k3 << What if there were no hypothetical questions? >>u   Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press  ? ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **c   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Dec 2000 16:04:39 -0500* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)- Subject: TZ887 equiv not unloading on /UNLOADn+ Message-ID: <ayeUpDIKojFZ@eisner.decus.org>   @ I just inherited the Quantum equivalent of a TZ877, a seven tapeE jukebox with a DLT4000 drive.  I installed the tape drive and the MRUFB V1.3 software on an AlphaServer 2100 5/250, running V6.2-1H3.  TheB robot functions seem to work just fine.  When I work with the tapeB drive manually, it, too, seems to work just fine.  The problem I'mA having is that when backup finishes filling up one tape, the tape * doesn't kick out and become unavailable.    E Usually what happens with my other jukebox (on another system running F V7.1-2) is that when a tape gets full it kicks out and backup sends an= opcom to change tapes.  With this jukebox, backup simply saysDA "resuming operation on volume 2" and starts overwritting the same " tape.  No opcom messages occurs.    E I'm using the same command procedure on both systems, so the variable C here is either the juke/tape combo or the VMS version (or somethingoD I'm missing completely).  My bet would be on the drive, since when ID do a dismount/unload manually, the tape can be immediately remounted= without any jukebox intervention.  On the other system a tape D dismounted with unload has to be taken from the tape drive to a slot< and back with the robot software before a mount can be done.  G I tried different external switch settings on the juke, no difference. oD I tried mounting the tape before the backup command with an explicitC /UNLOAD qual, no difference (duh).   Before I entertain the idea ofhF installing ALPBACK02_062 (and it's five ALP companions) to see if thatF "might" fix the problem, I thought I'd post the problem, here, and see# if someone else has seen this, too.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 12:01:38 GMT  From: asgd@sverige.nu (Asgd)% Subject: What is ...?  (learning VMS)T/ Message-ID: <3a4b2a0f.11615830@news1.telia.com>    What is RMS.A Is it the name of the filesystem in VMS or is it the filehandler?t  5 What is the difference between sequential, random and  index-sequencial?      thanks for your time!o   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Dec 2000 07:08:25 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)0) Subject: Re: What is ...?  (learning VMS)-+ Message-ID: <K$7UGKiO$trQ@eisner.decus.org>0  N In article <3a4b2a0f.11615830@news1.telia.com>, asgd@sverige.nu (Asgd) writes:
 > What is RMSnC > Is it the name of the filesystem in VMS or is it the filehandler?m > 7 > What is the difference between sequential, random andt > index-sequencial?w  M This is all explained in the RMS documentation that came on the documentationcI CD with your system.  If your system manager has managed to lose it, lookg' on the web site www.openvms.compaq.com.   N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:16:59 -0500T- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>h) Subject: Re: What is ...?  (learning VMS) , Message-ID: <3A4B4B58.4777FFB2@videotron.ca>   Asgd wrote: C > Is it the name of the filesystem in VMS or is it the filehandler?p   It is the file handler.     7 > What is the difference between sequential, random andc > index-sequencial?   G Sequential: like on a PC or Unix: you read the file from top to bottom.a  J Where there are differences is that RMS provides various means of definingJ what a record is. You can have files that have fixed record length (eg: 80K bytes for each record), records that are variable in length, with a controldJ block that defines how long the record is (which means that the record canK contain any data), and you can have stream records where it is a particular0N sequence of characters (eg: CR or LF) which determines where each record ends.4 There are also raw files with no record definition.   I When you read a file with RMS, you can request to read a record, in whichuJ case, RMS transparently reads a record for you and provides it to you in aL standard format no matter what the underlying format was. So when you read aF variable length record with C, the buffer would be ended with the '\n'5 character and you woN't see the control block at all.  	  Random:t# This is not a file format per say.       Indexed:  M This is similar to a database. The file is made of of individual records. But-L it also contains an index based on a key. For instance, you could define theM key to be the last name which would be the first 20 bytes of each record. You3K can insert records in any order and they automatically get put in the rightsM place. You can then extract a single record by specifying the key, instead ofo7 having to read through the file until you find a match.e   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Dec 2000 09:54:25 -0500 From: briggs@eisner.decus.org ) Subject: Re: What is ...?  (learning VMS)b+ Message-ID: <j93WJVrcjoqj@eisner.decus.org>n  \ In article <3A4B4B58.4777FFB2@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:	 > Random: % > This is not a file format per say. i  F Plausibly, this is a reference to direct access by record number whichF is possible in both RMS sequential files with fixed length records andE in RMS "relative" files with either fixed or variable length records.   B In the case of a sequential file of fixed length records, RMS doesB the obvious computation to determine where the specified record isJ located.  One can do random access reads or writes based on record number.  F A relative file is implemented on disk as a sequential file with fixedI length cells.  Each cell is large enough to hold a maximum length record, J a two byte record length (in the case of variable length records only) andE a one byte "is this cell occupied" field.  You can access a record byeI record number for read, write or delete.  When reading you may get back anH "no such record" diagnostic if the specified cell has never been written or has been deleted.    A There is also an RMS concept known as RFA (record's file address) B Each record in an RMS file has a unique RFA that will never changeG over the life of the file.  A record can be efficiently accessed by itsoC RFA.  In some contexts, one might think of this as "random" access.t  % 	John Briggs		briggs@eisner.decus.orgk   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.725 ************************