1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 29 Dec 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 726       Contents:, Re: ??== Allocating only one block per file.3 Re: ??== Examples of TCPIP socket FORTRAN programs. 2 Re: Auditing VMS system for identifier references?2 Re: Auditing VMS system for identifier references?2 Re: Auditing VMS system for identifier references?6 Re: Bug - NLB0: crash, was: "NLA0: the null device..."6 Re: Bug - NLB0: crash, was: "NLA0: the null device..."6 Re: Bug - NLB0: crash, was: "NLA0: the null device..." Re: CHARON x Compaq Notebook echo? 	 Re: echo? 	 Re: echo? 	 Re: echo? 	 Re: echo?  Re: FTP is waiting to long! ( Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo Re: Martin Minow Dies  Re: My Hardware WishList Re: My Hardware WishList Re: My Hardware WishList2 Re: Pioneer/Voyager (Was DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0)  Re: What is ...?  (learning VMS)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 20:43:23 -0500 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>5 Subject: Re: ??== Allocating only one block per file. > Message-ID: <hshubs-0635BB.20432327122000@news.mindspring.com>  @ In article <92csqh$9ok@dispatch.concentric.net>, "Rick Cadruvi"  <rick@rdperf.com> wrote:  L >I am coming in late on this thread, so forgive me if my comments are out ofD >context (the rest of the thread is not visible to me at this time). > @ >RMS can be called from BASIC directly.  I did it YEARS ago.  ItM >was a little tricky and I did it just as an exercise to demonstrate it could G >be done, but I was able to do basically anything you could do with RMS  >directly from BASIC.   H You're right.  I once did a similar thing, 10 or so years ago, with VAX K FORTRAN: did something strange just -because-, on a bet.  I built a linked   list, and used it. --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 11:37:06 -0800 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com < Subject: Re: ??== Examples of TCPIP socket FORTRAN programs.D Message-ID: <OF66404FFF.0359CDF1-ON882569C3.006BB82F@foundation.com>  ! I've responded to this privately.    Shane           @ aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus) on 12/28/2000 03:39:04 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   = Subject:  Re: ??== Examples of TCPIP socket FORTRAN programs.     D In article <OFB4C55478.1298374C-ON882569C2.006EDB15@foundation.com>," Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:  C > I don't have any PD stuff, but I have some well commented private  examplesE > that I might be able to let you peek at. What do you need them for?  >  > Shane  >      Shane,  J We run a laboratory DB for the Department of Virology at the University ofJ Wuerzburg Hospitals. A new application requires us to read two dimensionalG bar codes which contain information about the patient, his specimen and B the requested tests. The 2D label reader is attached to a PC whichJ communicates with a Unix machine via TCPIP socket programming - we need toJ receive the the same information on our OVMS Alpha. The Unix system is theI heart of the central labs and we are a department system. The information ; from the 2D label is contained in one 512 byte text buffer.    > B > aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus) on 12/27/2000 02:14:13 AM >  > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > cc:  > ; > Subject:  ??== Examples of TCPIP socket FORTRAN programs.  >  > I > Are there any PD examples available of programming TCPIP sockets either 3 > directly in FORTRAN or using calls to C programs?  > " > OpenVMS 7.2-1, Alpha, TCPIP 5.0a >  > --D > Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   --B Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Dec 2000 14:32:53 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) ; Subject: Re: Auditing VMS system for identifier references? + Message-ID: <gBZpm$6lkPQx@eisner.decus.org>   \ In article <3A4B6B42.10926142@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote:L >>         Brute force DIRECTORY/NOHEADER/NOTRAILER/SECURITY of <all files>. > N > Woudln't some program with $CHECK_ACCESS do a better job at making a list ofN > all the files a user has access to ? (you could do that for devices as well,
 > right ?)  N That would make it an N-squared problem (actually n*m, but you get the point).  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:30:20 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ; Subject: Re: Auditing VMS system for identifier references? , Message-ID: <3A4BCD0B.766AB5F8@videotron.ca>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:P > > Woudln't some program with $CHECK_ACCESS do a better job at making a list of  P > That would make it an N-squared problem (actually n*m, but you get the point).  , Well, you did use the word "BRUTE FORCE"....   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 12:36:01 +1030 % From: Jeremy Begg <jeremy@vsm.com.au> ; Subject: Re: Auditing VMS system for identifier references? * Message-ID: <3A4C8531.3F96285D@vsm.com.au>   Bob Kaplow wrote:  > K > I'm expecting the dreaded IS audit early next month. Our internal account M > administration folks have asked me to come up with a report, by identifier, M > of what access that identifier grants. They want an inventory of everything = > on the system that having that identifier allows access to.  > L > All I can think of are VERY brute force ways to do this. Does any one haveN > an existing solution to this problem, elegant or not? Any help, particularly+ > in the form of DCL would be most welcome.   G I suspect that an ACL dump of the type proposed by other correspondents 	 might not E be quite your auditors are after -- you might do better by looking at 	 things at 8 the application level rather than looking at every file.  F Also, bear in mind that some identifiers are used by software to grantG access to specific functionality without the use of ACLs.  For example, G DECnet-Plus has several identifiers (NET$MANGE etc) which permit you to  perform network management.    Regards,           Jeremy Begg   =   +---------------------------------------------------------+ =   |            VSM Software Services Pty. Ltd.              | =   |                 http://www.vsm.com.au/                  | =   |       "OpenVMS Systems Management & Programming"        | =   |---------------------------------------------------------| =   | P.O.Box 402, Walkerville, |  E-Mail:  jeremy@vsm.com.au | =   | South Australia 5081      |   Phone:  +61 8 83592155    | =   |---------------------------|  Mobile:  0414 422 947      | =   |  A.C.N. 068 409 156       |     FAX:  +61 8 82231777    | =   +---------------------------------------------------------+    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 20:47:14 -0500 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>? Subject: Re: Bug - NLB0: crash, was: "NLA0: the null device..." > Message-ID: <hshubs-D6B366.20471427122000@news.mindspring.com>  K In article <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012272342080.17395-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>,  ; "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> wrote:   3 > Fortunatelly have access to a testing machine(s). ? > Unfortunatelly the (testing) one has not fiber optic or other - >like-this-interesting stuff installed :( -;)   M So do I.  Tried it today since I had some time.  Created NLB0, tried copying  J from it: crash.  Tried modifying it (SET DEVICE/AVAILABLE): crash.  Tried J copying to it: crash.  Didn't try creating an NLC0: while I had the NLB0:  around.  Hm.  N Kind of an obscure bug.  Has anyone put in a SPR (or whatever they're calling  it these days) about this? --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Dec 2000 14:41:53 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)? Subject: Re: Bug - NLB0: crash, was: "NLA0: the null device..." 5 Message-ID: <92fjfh$a5$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   m In article <hshubs-D6B366.20471427122000@news.mindspring.com>, Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> writes: L :In article <Pine.LNX.4.21.0012272342080.17395-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>, < :"Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> wrote: : 4 :> Fortunatelly have access to a testing machine(s).@ :> Unfortunatelly the (testing) one has not fiber optic or other. :>like-this-interesting stuff installed :( -;) : N :So do I.  Tried it today since I had some time.  Created NLB0, tried copying K :from it: crash.  Tried modifying it (SET DEVICE/AVAILABLE): crash.  Tried  K :copying to it: crash.  Didn't try creating an NLC0: while I had the NLB0:  
 :around.  Hm.  : O :Kind of an obscure bug.  Has anyone put in a SPR (or whatever they're calling   :it these days) about this?     K   "Caution: Use extreme care when issuing SYSGEN CONNECT and LOAD commands  I   because the system does little error checking.  An incorrect vector or  H   misspelled device name, for example, will damage the I/O database and 7   could cause the system to fail."  -SysMan Essentials.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 23:52:51 -0500 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>? Subject: Re: Bug - NLB0: crash, was: "NLA0: the null device..." > Message-ID: <hshubs-C414D0.23525128122000@news.mindspring.com>  6 In article <92fjfh$a5$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, $ hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote:  L >  "Caution: Use extreme care when issuing SYSGEN CONNECT and LOAD commands J >  because the system does little error checking.  An incorrect vector or I >  misspelled device name, for example, will damage the I/O database and  8 >  could cause the system to fail."  -SysMan Essentials.  O Sure, however I don't see anything wrong with the idea of a second null device.  --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:13:19 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>% Subject: Re: CHARON x Compaq Notebook < Message-ID: <jhM26.32738$1t.1336478@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  6 <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageF news:OF359980BE.BA4F1BC7-ON032569C3.00682697@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...  = People from SRI says that CHARON can be used in Notebooks for 
 demonstration   C Indeed it can! Works like a champ on my Armada M700 with Win2K SP1.   F but nowadays Compaq is developing serial-less Notebooks. Whos wrong ?   Good question...   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 23:35:07 GMT  From: asgd@sverige.nu (Asgd) Subject: echo?/ Message-ID: <3a4bccd7.53294502@news1.telia.com>   F I trying to learn VMS (at the univerity) as a part in a bigger course.E But now Im stuck and cant find the right command. Dont winkle your 3 nose to much...the command is at Unix and Dos: echo - I want to print a line of text on the screen!  please help...A If you know any god and easy-to-learn-VMS webbpage, that would be  great!   thanks   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 23:35:21 GMT 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>  Subject: Re: echo?2 Message-ID: <3A4BCF74.2DFABC9D@clarityconnect.com>   At the DCL prompt you would use , $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "This is a line of text."     Asgd wrote:  > H > I trying to learn VMS (at the univerity) as a part in a bigger course.G > But now Im stuck and cant find the right command. Dont winkle your 5 > nose to much...the command is at Unix and Dos: echo / > I want to print a line of text on the screen!  > please help...C > If you know any god and easy-to-learn-VMS webbpage, that would be  > great! >  > thanks   --  D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.cTD A	- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 17:57:38 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: echo?- Message-ID: <3A4BD372.31EBBA70@earthlink.net>    Asgd wrote:  > H > I trying to learn VMS (at the univerity) as a part in a bigger course.G > But now Im stuck and cant find the right command. Dont winkle your 5 > nose to much...the command is at Unix and Dos: echo / > I want to print a line of text on the screen!  > please help...   $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT " text... "  C > If you know any god and easy-to-learn-VMS webbpage, that would be  > great!  . Well, no; but the documentation is on-line at:  " http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 17:59:16 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: echo?- Message-ID: <3A4BD3D4.8FE8E9F7@earthlink.net>    Asgd wrote:  > [snip]C > If you know any god and easy-to-learn-VMS webbpage, that would be  > great!  ! You may find this command useful:    $ HELP   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 01:50:41 GMT * From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com> Subject: Re: echo?) Message-ID: <92gqlg$c20$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   / In article <3a4bccd7.53294502@news1.telia.com>,    asgd@sverige.nu (Asgd) wrote: H > I trying to learn VMS (at the univerity) as a part in a bigger course.G > But now Im stuck and cant find the right command. Dont winkle your 5 > nose to much...the command is at Unix and Dos: echo / > I want to print a line of text on the screen!  > please help...   To print a line:  & $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "all-exciting text"  0 To enable "echoing" in a command file (ECHO ON):   $ SET VERIFY  & To disable echoing (same as ECHO OFF),   $ SET NOVERIFY  % To do the equivalent of MS-DOS @ECHO:    $ !'F$VERIFY(0)'   To see if "echoing" is on?   $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$VERIFY()   G If you get 0, verification (uh, echoing) is off. If you get 1, it's on!   C > If you know any god and easy-to-learn-VMS webbpage, that would be  > great!   Start with the User's Manual:   < http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/6489/6489pro.html   >  > thanks >  OK --F NOTE: If you wish to e-mail me, please do NOT use the deja address. ItE is broken. Instead, use one of the addresses below, removing the long  wrong part first. Thanks.    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  &-)+ w: afeldman@gfigroup.ButItSaidItPrinted.com 5 h: alan48@dellnet.YouCantBelieveEverythingYouRead.com      Sent via Deja.com  http://www.deja.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:45:46 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> $ Subject: Re: FTP is waiting to long!- Message-ID: <3A4BC29A.F502B807@earthlink.net>    Roland Hauk wrote: > * > We have OpenVMS7.2 and TCPIP (UCX) V5.0. > " > - Now I connect to a FTP server.5 > - The IP is reachable, but the FTP program is down.  > % > I start FTP:  $ FTP 111.222.333.444 7 > and FTP is now waiting for login without any timeout.  > " > What must I do to get a timeout?  D Dunno. I'd discovered this problem in UCX V4.x. I didn't know it was also a problem in V5.    -- t David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systemsk http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:13:37 -0500 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> 1 Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcellloe( Message-ID: <92g37a$59g$1@pyrite.mv.net>  8 Warren Spencer <wspencer@ap.nospam.org> wrote in message) news:t4mv3slg1d21b3@news.supernews.com...v   ...e  E > A lot of bunched panties over this one!  In a multi-platform world,- perhaps-J > the Christmas message would have been best rendered in multiple formats.D > But if you want the OpenVMS message to spread easily and widely inJ > management circles, it had better be in a format a Microsoft desktop can/ > inhale - Windows "owns" our managers (today).r >nK > In my quest for "most popular person in this newsgroup", I'd also like tosK > offer this:  OpenVMS ain't a desktop OS.  Maybe it was going to be at onehK > time (or perhaps not), but I don't see it now.  All the high-end featuresiK > that make it so scalable and reliable differentiate it from Windows.  I'dnA > hate to see the OpenVMS team re-direct their efforts to desktopbB > applications.  There are significantly larger and more strategic
 challengesH > that need to be addressed in a wired world, like IFD (Immense Freakin'J > Databases) and IFUB:  ten million interactive users pounding on your web$ > site (Immense Freakin' User Base).  L And if the OpenVMS team *were* in fact acting aggressively to maintain VMS'sF diminishing lead in such areas rather than peddling along steadily butL sedately while others catch up, then perhaps many people would be a lot lessL sensitive to nuances like this one.  But given the lack of support by CompaqL for *any* aggressive moves by VMS (in marketing *or* sales *or* technology),6 tea leaves are about all that's left to get attention.   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Dec 2000 22:01:14 -0500/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)- Subject: Re: Martin Minow Dies* Message-ID: <92eadq$3um$1@lisa.gemair.com>  C I did not know Mr. Minow, but I can't help but comment on somethingx" very poignant I found on the page,  ?   http://www.ag.ohio-state.edu/~natres/faculty/homepage.html   h  E "This is Martin Minow's Home Page. ... It is "under-construction" ande probably always will be."l    6 In article <92dlgq$lg5$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,3 Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote:h >s >iG >  For those that had the privilege of knowing him, I've received word i >  that Martin Minow has died. >e; >  Information from Risks Digest 21.17 is included below...a >iO > --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------nM >   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.comi >n >1 >	-- >x$ >Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 15:18:39 PST/ >From: "Peter G. Neumann" <neumann@csl.sri.com>  >Subject: Martin Minow >.M >It is with deep sadness that we note here the sudden passing of Martin Minow I >last Thursday.  He was a long-standing, noble, insightful contributor toeJ >RISKS, dating back to Volume 1, number 33, on 1 Jan 1986.  A quick searchJ >shows that he had 172 messages in RISKS over the past 15 years, includingH >translations of some otherwise inaccessible news items that appeared inK >Swedish sources.  He was a delightful person, and will be sorely missed bycL >many of us.  Thanks to all of you who forwarded the e-mail message from his >brother, Robtminow@aol.com. >tB >Greg Marriott <greg@spies.com> added URLs for Martin's Web pages: >  http://www.vmeng.com/minow/ 1! >  http://homepage.mac.com/k6mam/m= >  http://www.ag.ohio-state.edu/~natres/faculty/homepage.html> >    -Jordan HendersonC jordan@greenapple.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 17:35:05 -0500 ! From: Marc <Banfill@softhome.net> ! Subject: Re: My Hardware WishList?, Message-ID: <3A4BC019.A1FD8929@softhome.net>   Paul Repacholi wrote:   ; > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:  >=? > Hell no... Do you REALLY won't to cart a load of crap around?= >=@ > But, with a SMOP, a Samsung UP2000 could run any of the above.   what is SMOP?  A super Mop? *g*=  = > With a greater MOP, the UP1000 could as well. Changing from " > an Alpha to a K& would be fun...  7 I always thought you used a MOP to clean your floor? :)e   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 22:59:26 +0000 (   )e3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> ! Subject: Re: My Hardware WishListnJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10012282257491.18873-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>    On Thu, 28 Dec 2000, Marc wrote:   > Paul Repacholi wrote:g= > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes: A > > Hell no... Do you REALLY won't to cart a load of crap around? B > > But, with a SMOP, a Samsung UP2000 could run any of the above.  ? > > With a greater MOP, the UP1000 could as well. Changing from6$ > > an Alpha to a K& would be fun...  9 > I always thought you used a MOP to clean your floor? :)O  D Right -- now if I can just get the vacumm cleaner to netboot from my9 VAXStation 3100, I can also use MOP to clean my floor. :)i   Regards,   Chrisa  O ===============================================================================s@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmer  Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.l% -------------------------------------tI "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes andeH weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 rO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 15:19:45 -0800C! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com ! Subject: Re: My Hardware WishList D Message-ID: <OF7DE4309E.1FE15257-ON882569C3.00801BC4@foundation.com>   No need:  9 http://www.vax.co.uk/pages/navigation/mainfr_explorer.htm-   Shane           G Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> on 12/28/2000 02:59:26 PM    To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   " Subject:  Re: My Hardware WishList      On Thu, 28 Dec 2000, Marc wrote:   > Paul Repacholi wrote:-= > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:EA > > Hell no... Do you REALLY won't to cart a load of crap around?nB > > But, with a SMOP, a Samsung UP2000 could run any of the above.  ? > > With a greater MOP, the UP1000 could as well. Changing from $ > > an Alpha to a K& would be fun...  9 > I always thought you used a MOP to clean your floor? :)-  D Right -- now if I can just get the vacumm cleaner to netboot from my9 VAXStation 3100, I can also use MOP to clean my floor. :)a   Regards,   Chrisu  O ===============================================================================n  H "My two cents"           (http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)H Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)              Prgramer^W Programmer Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.h% -------------------------------------)I "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and:H weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes: and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949O -------------------------------------------------------------------------------0   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:49:19 +0000n% From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>l; Subject: Re: Pioneer/Voyager (Was DSNlink for OpenVMS v3.0)i8 Message-ID: <0fjm4t0a7kqge189n57q2d9iad2dsd7duk@4ax.com>  F On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:24:17 -0800, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:   > L >It occurs to me that various space probes were fired off into space with noJ >expectation of landfall anywhere. Isn't one of the Voyager series getting# >close to leaving the solar system?B  D Pioneer 10 and Voyager 1 are the two most distant craft and are bothE actively looking for the heliopause.  Round trip light times almost a@ whole day...  3 Btw NASA contacted Pioneer 6 a couple of weeks ago:.  D There was a successful contact of Pioneer 6 for about two hours on 8F December 2000 to commemorate its 35th anniversary. The control room atE NASA Ames Research Center in Mountain View, CA, was manned by ProjectaA Manager: Larry Lasher, Flight Director: Dave Lozier, Chief FlightrF Controller: Ric Campo, and Flight System Engineer; Larry Kellogg, withF Network Operations Project Engineer: Ida Millner at JPL. Some 35 years? from the launch date of 12/16/65, Pioneer 6 telemetry data were A received expeditiously as spacecraft lockup occurred on the first F attempt on Day 344 UT 0000:45 (local time 4:00:45 PM PST) at DSS-14 atA Goldstone. Pioneer 6 was 83 million miles distant from Earth. Thee? track lasted approximately 2.5 hours. The Signal-to-Noise RatioeE (SNR)=9 dB and signal strength (AGC)=-164 remain at approximately thee; same levels as the last previous contact in October 6, 1997nB demonstrating the stability and durability of NASA's oldest extant spacecraft. Viva la Pioneer. d  
 Pioneer 10   Current status:-   (Launched 2 March 1972)   ? Pioneer 10 distance from Sun (25 December 2000): 76.79 AU Speed C relative to the Sun: 12.24 km/sec (27,380 mph) Distance from Earth:sE 11.35 billion kilometers (7.051 billion miles) Round-trip Light Time:e 21 hours 02 minutes A HELIOPAUSE NOT REACHED YET! Van Allen reports that there was a 5%"@ reduction in cosmic rays detected at Pioneer 10 in February 1999D corresponding to the solar flare experienced on Earth in April 1998.F This suggests that Pioneer 10 was still under the influence of the SunF and therefore has not passed through the heliopause yet. The Van AllenC GTT instrument readings are the best chance for Pioneer 10. VoyageroD is, of course, looking for it also. A solar maximum is expected thisE year. This provides another opportunity to see whether the cosmic ray-D readings on Pioneer 10 after the time lag will reflect this cycle orD not and therefore indicate whether we are still in the heliopause or not.      C Pioneer 10 will continue into interstellar space, heading generallyeE for the red star Aldebaran, which forms the eye of Taurus (The Bull).0F Aldebaran is about 68 light years away and it will take Pioneer over 2 million years to reach it. e  ? The latest Pioneer 10 activity was on September 10, when DSS 63 ? tracked the spacecraft. The station was not able to acquire the ? downlink. However, there was a report of two momentary receiver-B glitches at the Pioneer 10 frequency. This report was encouraging,C since it means that the spacecraft signal is there, but it is stilltC off Earth point. The Earth look angle (ELA) is estimated to be over E 1.4 degrees. The downlink signal strength drops off rapidly after 1.0D degree. The Earth is just starting to go back towards the PN 10 spinB axis. As the year continues, the Earth will be closer in alignmentE with the spacecraft pointing and the tracking stations should be able E to regain lock. There was an unsuccessful attempt on December 16, but:E we will try again on January 9 and January 16. Our latest calculation:? of the ephemeris on December 20 shows: Right Ascension = 75.446 ' degrees, Declination = 25.854 degrees.      F Voyager 1 command operations consisted of the uplink of a command lossA timer reset on 12/06 [DOY 341/1630z]. The spacecraft received the  command.  F Voyager 2 command operations consisted of the uplink of a command lossB timer reset and CCSL B110 on 12/05 [DOY 340/0910z]. The spacecraft0 received all commands and the CCSL was verified.  7 RANGE, VELOCITY AND ROUND TRIP LIGHT TIME AS OF 12/8/00r    Voyager 1 7,394,000,000 miles  Voyager 2 5,826,000,000 miles  R  - Round Trip Light Time (Hours:Minutes:Seconds)c  Voyager 1 22:16:32e  Voyager 2 17:35:16C  - Voyager and Pioneer info (link to Pioneer) atl0 http://vraptor.jpl.nasa.gov/voyager/voyager.html  -           >e
 >Do I win?  B No because sometime in the next 100 years these spacecraft will beD brought back to a museum on earth unless and asteroid strike gets us first!   Alan     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:44:00 -0600o7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>e) Subject: Re: What is ...?  (learning VMS)U- Message-ID: <3A4BC230.7E545D69@earthlink.net>    Asgd wrote:e > 
 > What is RMS.C > Is it the name of the filesystem in VMS or is it the filehandler?y > 7 > What is the difference between sequential, random and  > index-sequencial?  >  > thanks for your time!o  ( Here are some links you may find useful:  ) (FreeVMS and OpenVMS/Hobbyist Mentoring:)o3 http://www.djesys.com/vms/freevms/index.html#mentors  @ (...and selected slides from "Zip and Unzip for OpenVMS: Secrets Revealed":)g5 http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/zipunzip/sld020.htm.5 http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/zipunzip/sld021.htmd( (Proceed through the RMS-related slides)   -- a David J. Dachteras dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.726 ************************