1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 31 Dec 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 731       Contents:2 Re: Auditing VMS system for identifier references? Re: Giving up on VMS RE: Giving up on VMS( Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo OpenVMS FAQ & Re: Sending messages to an application& Re: Sending messages to an application& Re: Sending messages to an application  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 11:24:55 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ; Subject: Re: Auditing VMS system for identifier references? , Message-ID: <3A4F5DCF.E85FD426@videotron.ca>   "Glenn C. Everhart" wrote:< > to objects other than his own, excepting from this execute7 > or read access to systems files that are widely used.   Q Lets not forget the list of installed images and the privileges they are granted.   M How does one explain to IBM-types that even though SHOW.EXE is installed with F some all-mighty privileges such as CMKRNL and WORLD, it is a very safeM application. Similarly, ALLIN-1's main image is installed with SYSPRV but the M code is such that a user cannot make use of that privilege except to read his J emails which are stored in a shared location with no public read security.  H To do a true audit, one would have to go through a whole lot of stuff to, determine what danger each application has.   F Also, is there a tool to ensure that SHOW.EXE is in fact the bona-fide  SHOW.EXE and not some impostor ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:15:41 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: Giving up on VMS + Message-ID: <VA.000001fd.1ace03cf@sture.ch>   9 In article <92dca5$7or$1@pyrite.mv.net>, Bill Todd wrote: ) > From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms  > Subject: Re: Giving up on VMS ' > Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:30:17 -0500  >  > 7 > Arne Vajhj <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message % > news:3A4A0484.B04D9C95@gtech.com...  >  > .... > ? > > NT and VMS has no similarities for application programmers.  > I > Incorrect.  NT has significantly more 'cultural compatibility' with VMS N > than, say, a Unix does - e.g., things like event flags and asynchronous fileN > I/O (the list is a lot longer, but I'm kind of busy today).  As a result, NTN > has been relatively easy for me to approach when I've had to write user-mode1 > code for it (kernel code too, for that matter).  > L I agree. I'm reminded of an article in one of the NT magazines about memory O management (circa mid 1997), in which so much of the terminology came straight  N from the VMS manuals. I felt I could have given a course on the subject after  reading that...   N Again, in user mode programming (mainly command line utilities) I often found K myself thinking "What would I call in VMS to do that?", then search for an  G appropriately named routine, and hey presto, that routine had the same  ! parameters as its VMS equivalent.   L Of course, none of the routine names were the same, and extra functionality N was incorporated where appropriate (e.g. threaded processes), but writing the E equivalent of something like SHOW SYSTEM was easy if I "thought VMS".    ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 09:50:47 -0600 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>  Subject: RE: Giving up on VMS N Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284B6E@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>   Paul,   H Being a bit of a pack rat, I have kept a few pointers to some of those = old  references you mentioned.   & Check out these from Mark Russinovich:I <http://www.winntmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?IssueID=3D22&ArticleID=3D302=  > & <http://www.sysinternals.com/publ.htm>   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----' From: Paul Sture [mailto:paul@sture.ch]  Sent: December 31, 2000 4:16 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: Re: Giving up on VMS     9 In article <92dca5$7or$1@pyrite.mv.net>, Bill Todd wrote: ) > From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms  > Subject: Re: Giving up on VMS ' > Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:30:17 -0500  >=20 >=209 > Arne Vajh=F8j <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message % > news:3A4A0484.B04D9C95@gtech.com...  >=20 > .... >=20? > > NT and VMS has no similarities for application programmers.  >=20G > Incorrect.  NT has significantly more 'cultural compatibility' with =  VMS > > than, say, a Unix does - e.g., things like event flags and = asynchronous fileE > I/O (the list is a lot longer, but I'm kind of busy today).  As a =  result,  NTD > has been relatively easy for me to approach when I've had to write	 user-mode 1 > code for it (kernel code too, for that matter).  >=20F I agree. I'm reminded of an article in one of the NT magazines about =	 memory=20 E management (circa mid 1997), in which so much of the terminology came  straight=20 G from the VMS manuals. I felt I could have given a course on the subject  after=20 reading that...   G Again, in user mode programming (mainly command line utilities) I often  found=20I myself thinking "What would I call in VMS to do that?", then search for =  an=20 I appropriately named routine, and hey presto, that routine had the same=20 ! parameters as its VMS equivalent.   ? Of course, none of the routine names were the same, and extra =  functionality=20C was incorporated where appropriate (e.g. threaded processes), but =  writing  the=20E equivalent of something like SHOW SYSTEM was easy if I "thought VMS".    ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 11:28:04 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 1 Subject: Re: Happy Holidays - From Rich Marcelllo , Message-ID: <3A4F5E8C.59DC0B9D@videotron.ca>   "Glenn C. Everhart" wrote:: > communication. IMO no manager should be given net access6 > at over 28.8KB, so they will learn to appreciate why8 > others are less than impressed with fancy pictures and: > sounds and "graphically well designed" interfaces, where3 > they can only be used by people on fast networks.   K Similalry, all managers should be given screens of 640*480 so that they can N see how bad their web designers are because they bypass the HTML philosophy ofJ letting the client format to fit the screen and assume everyone has a huge screen.   G For what it is worth, the FLASH application (at least on the MAC) has a K test-streaming option where you can simulate what will happen when the .SWF & file loads/executes at various speeds.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 17:23:06 +0200 2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com> Subject: OpenVMS FAQ+ Message-ID: <3A4F6B7A.10D0D707@digital.com>   0 The HTML-ized version of the 29th December 2000  is up at# http://eisner.decus.org/vms/faq.htm   . Remarks concerning HTML format to yours truly.0 Remarks concerning factual data to the FAQ onlie	 begetter.   
 E. & O. E.   Mike --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 07:40:05 -0800 , From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@voyager.net>/ Subject: Re: Sending messages to an application 7 Message-ID: <3a4f28ac$0$36815$272ea4a1@news.execpc.com>    "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote:  > J >         Offhand, I can think of a couple of ways to send a message to anL > application:  Common Event Flags, Mailboxes, Global sections!  Ok, I lied;H > that's three.  Of course the application must be written to  Check itsC > Common Event Flags, Mailboxes, etc, and do something in response.   D Don't forget Logical Names (obviously stored is a shared name table)  
 Jack Patteeuw    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 11:32:17 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> / Subject: Re: Sending messages to an application , Message-ID: <3A4F5F87.2DA4DCD8@videotron.ca>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:K > IBM rigged up the mail system on CMS to execute according to instructions I > from the sender of a message.  They found out about the hazard, removed  > the "feature"     J ALLIN1 avoided the problem by autoexecuting only scripts which reside in aK system portion of the mail system (accessible only by the system manager).    K However, what I am thinking is not auto-executing of scripts, but something M akin to clicking on a URL while in MAIL and causing MAIL to send a message to ! MOSAIC to have it open than page.   G If Microsoft didn't enable autoexecution of VB scripts and .EXEs, their M platform would be a whole lot safer. And if by default, .EXEs didn't execute, M those who send cards/games etc, would know that it is not worth the effort of * formating their greetings in .EXE formats.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 11:49:30 -0500 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>/ Subject: Re: Sending messages to an application > Message-ID: <hshubs-5D5B07.11493031122000@news.mindspring.com>  F In article <3a4f28ac$0$36815$272ea4a1@news.execpc.com>, Jack Patteeuw  <jjpatteeuw@voyager.net> wrote:    >"Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: >>  K >>         Offhand, I can think of a couple of ways to send a message to an M >> application:  Common Event Flags, Mailboxes, Global sections!  Ok, I lied; I >> that's three.  Of course the application must be written to  Check its D >> Common Event Flags, Mailboxes, etc, and do something in response. > E >Don't forget Logical Names (obviously stored is a shared name table)   % Four, four ways.  Then there's files.  --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.731 ************************