1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 03 Jul 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 369       Contents:$ * I found a powerful ftp program....- Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The DEC-rescue mailing list ! Re: CD burners for OpenVMS Alpha? ! Re: CD burners for OpenVMS Alpha?  Re: COE & Re: Compaq paying for software ports ?& Re: Compaq paying for software ports ? Re: DCL vs. "real" programming DECnet and 3rd party SW " Re: DECnet-Plus or DECnet Phase IV" Re: DECnet-Plus or DECnet Phase IV
 Device specs? 7 Re: Disk I/O Performance (was Re: OpenVMS loses big...) $ Enabling Proxies in the Secureserver( Re: Enabling Proxies in the Secureserver) Re: highwater marking, speed vs. security  Re: Hotmail $ Re: How come IBM gets all the press.E Re: How do you Use LCKPAG on ALPHA to lock a full process in memory ? E Re: How do you Use LCKPAG on ALPHA to lock a full process in memory ?  LA36 Escape codes  Re: LA36 Escape codes  Re: LA36 Escape codes  Re: LA36 Escape codes  Re: LA36 Escape codes  Re: LA36 Escape codes 8 re:  Northern Light vs. Google (and the winner is . . .)7 Re: Northern Light vs. Google (and the winner is . . .) . Re: OpenVMS clusters vs other systems clusters. Re: OpenVMS clusters vs other systems clusters. Re: OpenVMS clusters vs other systems clusters. Re: OpenVMS clusters vs other systems clusters. Re: OpenVMS clusters vs other systems clusters. Re: OpenVMS clusters vs other systems clusters2 Re: OpenVMS loses big, was:  RE: Compaq advertises% Re: Oracle - Emb. SQL program: ACCVIO  Re: POSIX - couldn't start POSIX - couldn't start0 Problem to reboot the bootserver of a VMScluster4 Re: Problem to reboot the bootserver of a VMScluster4 Re: Problem to reboot the bootserver of a VMScluster2 Re: slightly off-topic/InfoServer function pricing2 Re: slightly off-topic/InfoServer function pricing2 Re: slightly off-topic/InfoServer function pricing Re: Sub-DS10 Alpha& Re: Sub-DS10 Alpha (was: VAX on Intel) VMS can tail -f ? if so how?  Re: VMS can tail -f ? if so how?  Re: VMS can tail -f ? if so how?  Re: VMS can tail -f ? if so how?  Re: VMS can tail -f ? if so how?& Re: What happened to www.montagar.com?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  ( Date: Monday, 03 Jul 2000 16:56:23 -0600 From: flejds@usavryt.com- Subject: * I found a powerful ftp program.... ' Message-ID: <03070016.5623@usavryt.com>   ? I found a new and powerful FTP program, it is called FTP Now...  I think it is as good as Cuteftp and Ws_ftp. Besides, it has a user-friendly interface and you can perform any FTP operation quickly and easily.  B Anyway, i think it is a very good software and it is worth to try.   Download here:Z http://english.myfolder.net/Categories/Internet_and_Network/Telnet_and_FTP/Review/?sn=97071 http://www.softwareblast.com/entries/000046c4.sml    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2000 12:58:55 -0500 1 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) 6 Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The DEC-rescue mailing list+ Message-ID: <oCmAyR5yOAME@eisner.decus.org>   X In article <20000617001038.M15984@mrbill.net>, Bill Bradford <mrbill@mrbill.net> writes:D > This is to announce the existence of the DEC-rescue mailing list, D > dedicated to keeping DEC hardware (of any type, but mainly PDP andC > VAX stuff) out of the hands of scrappers, trashers, and the DUMP!  > D > I know we all hate to see good hardware go to the scrap yard or be > sold off by the pound. > C > I run another list of this type (rescue@sunhelp.org) for fans of  1 > Sun hardware, and it has been quite successful.  > - > For more info about the DECrescue list, see ) > http://www.decvax.org/mailman/listinfo/   # Following the link to the archives:   * http://www.decvax.org/pipermail/decrescue/  	 Not Found   E The requested URL /pipermail/decrescue/ was not found on this server.     . Apache/1.3.12 Server at www.decvax.org Port 80   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:07:24 +0200 (CEST)! From: gotfryd@irys.stanpol.com.pl * Subject: Re: CD burners for OpenVMS Alpha?J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10001181302500.3382-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  ;  Oh, yes.... Have found one old message in the "in progess"  folder. Excuse the time... -:)  9 On Mon, 17 Jan 2000, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:    [...] M +For Christmas this year my father-in-law purchased a Mattel/Intel microscope % +device which connects to a PC. [...] L +play with.  It was shipped with Weendoze NT and Weendoze'98 but only the NT +had been installed. + M +This microscope needs USB support (not in NT but in '98) and the software to M +control the microscope run only under '98.  So, I asked a friend of mine (an L +M$CSE and several other portentious M$ titles) to install the '98.  My only2 +requirement was that he not hose the existing NT.  ;  Yes. You probably have miss one point: *ON THE SAME DISK*. 
  I am right ? ?  If yes, then for furher point we can compare the work to b.ex. ? install both OpenVMS and DigitalUnix on *the same* disk device. B  IFAIK NT and '98 are not supported to run paralelly, even if willA work with some effort as John E. Malmberg writes in the thread... B  Evan if I don't play with WNT, have permanently two/three '95/'98; on the same computer. And from time to time have two on the ; same disk: the problem is with shared directories ("Program @ files") and application (oh, programmers of the application !), * where "knows better" where write our data.8  When you buy a cheap disk you can probably resolve your; problem... And if you definitely will not (buy), then still 6 you *can* do this - probably not much harder, than get1 two differrent VMS version work on the same disk. =  Ok, you probably have NTFS "under" the NT. But then - excuse A me, if you will support of VMS on one of DigitalUN*Xes filesystem # you can also get to some trouble... :  Be aware of the fact, that W9X and WNT are two differrent? OSes and supports two separate sets of filesystem; accidentally  -;) both supports FAT.  M +He dicked about here for several hours with something called Partition Magic K +only to conclude that there was no way to make things work and get both of   
  He is wrong. B  If the NT OS "sits" under NTFS and the work will be my work, then1 probably must found a utility to operate on NTFS. 4  If the NT uses FAT partition, them IMHO no problem.  M +the Mighty$chlock O/S to coexist.  So, off to the local PC schlockwarez out- , +let store to purchase another disk drive.   + L +He installed this and then installed Weendoze'98 on it.  Weendoze'98 bootedN +but NT would not (something about drive letter renaming).  So, he swapped the1 +drive order and now NT boots but '98 will not...   @  Right. Only some OSes "flexible enought" with the drive naming," escpecially of the boot-disk name.@  As I have seen, only VMS and CPM has no troble when booted fromB differrent disk; DOS renames the drive name to fixed "C:", Windows allows that...A  Windows has problem with the BIOS-compatibility, *but* if anyone > "must" have a "untouched PC with WNT" then without problem can control the setup from BIOS.B  And, for sure, that will work, even if may be less user-friendly.<  Be aware, that having Alpha machine run WNT and VMS (or DU)@ also is not much user friendly, and having one with low capacity3 console programmable ROM makes the work unfriendly.   E +                                         OK, we're both tired by now N +and the better part of Saturday afternoon and evening are shot (8+hours).  HeM +goes home and returns Sunday.  Now he's got some freeware he downloaded from M +the web.  He installed this and dicked about for another three hours and now L +both O/Ss will boot.  It took another 2 hours to get the printer driver for +my LNC02-CA to work.   B  Right. But be justly: with some peripherial under VMS you can get4 less problems, because it is simply not supported...  : +  OK, now we've got to install a sound card as the micro-- +scope software will not install without one!   <  Ok. Will you flame the *microscope producer* or Microsoft ?  # +[...]  Another two hours were lost J +to installing the microscope software and diddling about to make it work.  -  The same: microscope producer or Microsoft ? ;  I have a "marked" printer (Xerox), and the installation of : driver works with way AFAIK supported for application, not7 HW drivers; then I have some trouble from time to time. 3  But that is NOT a Microsoft (but Xerox) problem...   D  One additional question: can you install the microscope under VMS ?   And I will risk -:) the answer:@ - no, because some hardware with %$#@@@@@&^@! drivers and buggy,:  $%^&^&*$%# supporting software (for the hardware) etc. is6  simply not supported. Noone will support it. Starting  from the hardware producer...=   But *for windows* the support makes people, where some time :  doesn't think what will do... Sure... The Microsoft blame?  is from the publicity: "Windows will do anything". And someone /  belivie that - including the software writers.   ' +Would I/Could I have done this?  [...] L +a Mighty$chlock certified (certifiable?) type who has worked with this crapM +since the days of the first IBM PCs and it takes him two very full days just 6 +to get an O/S and a simple toy application installed!  -  Probably his knowledge was *yet* to small... ?  With seperate disk and recent BIOSes (recent: last years, most 9 of Pentium and probably all newest) BIOS setup can be the  simplest resolution...  N +In contrast, I could have booted VMS from a CD and installed VMS, DECwindows,L +TCP/IP and DECnet and booted from a new disk without having to worry about . +the existing version of software on any disk.  ?  Ok. Right. I *will* agree with the point about VMS flexiblity. ?  But you also must agree, that getting any kernel software from 7 any random vendor can well "support" the blue-screen...     Regards - Gotfryd   --  E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 15:36:17 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) * Subject: Re: CD burners for OpenVMS Alpha?0 Message-ID: <009EC86B.5D39A05D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  n In article <Pine.LNX.4.10.10001181302500.3382-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>, gotfryd@irys.stanpol.com.pl writes: > < > Oh, yes.... Have found one old message in the "in progess" >folder. Excuse the time... -:)  > : >On Mon, 17 Jan 2000, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: >  >[...]N >+For Christmas this year my father-in-law purchased a Mattel/Intel microscope& >+device which connects to a PC. [...]M >+play with.  It was shipped with Weendoze NT and Weendoze'98 but only the NT  >+had been installed.  >+N >+This microscope needs USB support (not in NT but in '98) and the software toN >+control the microscope run only under '98.  So, I asked a friend of mine (anM >+M$CSE and several other portentious M$ titles) to install the '98.  My only 3 >+requirement was that he not hose the existing NT.  > < > Yes. You probably have miss one point: *ON THE SAME DISK*. > I am right ?@ > If yes, then for furher point we can compare the work to b.ex.@ >install both OpenVMS and DigitalUnix on *the same* disk device.C > IFAIK NT and '98 are not supported to run paralelly, even if will B >work with some effort as John E. Malmberg writes in the thread...C > Evan if I don't play with WNT, have permanently two/three '95/'98 < >on the same computer. And from time to time have two on the< >same disk: the problem is with shared directories ("ProgramA >files") and application (oh, programmers of the application !),  + >where "knows better" where write our data. 9 > When you buy a cheap disk you can probably resolve your < >problem... And if you definitely will not (buy), then still7 >you *can* do this - probably not much harder, than get 2 >two differrent VMS version work on the same disk.> > Ok, you probably have NTFS "under" the NT. But then - excuseB >me, if you will support of VMS on one of DigitalUN*Xes filesystem$ >you can also get to some trouble...; > Be aware of the fact, that W9X and WNT are two differrent @ >OSes and supports two separate sets of filesystem; accidentally >-;) both supports FAT.  > N >+He dicked about here for several hours with something called Partition MagicL >+only to conclude that there was no way to make things work and get both of >  > He is wrong.C > If the NT OS "sits" under NTFS and the work will be my work, then 2 >probably must found a utility to operate on NTFS.5 > If the NT uses FAT partition, them IMHO no problem.  > N >+the Mighty$chlock O/S to coexist.  So, off to the local PC schlockwarez out-- >+let store to purchase another disk drive.    >+M >+He installed this and then installed Weendoze'98 on it.  Weendoze'98 booted O >+but NT would not (something about drive letter renaming).  So, he swapped the 2 >+drive order and now NT boots but '98 will not... > A > Right. Only some OSes "flexible enought" with the drive naming, # >escpecially of the boot-disk name. A > As I have seen, only VMS and CPM has no troble when booted from C >differrent disk; DOS renames the drive name to fixed "C:", Windows  >allows that... B > Windows has problem with the BIOS-compatibility, *but* if anyone? >"must" have a "untouched PC with WNT" then without problem can  >control the setup from BIOS. C > And, for sure, that will work, even if may be less user-friendly. = > Be aware, that having Alpha machine run WNT and VMS (or DU) A >also is not much user friendly, and having one with low capacity 4 >console programmable ROM makes the work unfriendly. > F >+                                         OK, we're both tired by nowO >+and the better part of Saturday afternoon and evening are shot (8+hours).  He N >+goes home and returns Sunday.  Now he's got some freeware he downloaded fromN >+the web.  He installed this and dicked about for another three hours and nowM >+both O/Ss will boot.  It took another 2 hours to get the printer driver for  >+my LNC02-CA to work. > C > Right. But be justly: with some peripherial under VMS you can get 5 >less problems, because it is simply not supported...  > ; >+  OK, now we've got to install a sound card as the micro- . >+scope software will not install without one! > = > Ok. Will you flame the *microscope producer* or Microsoft ?  > $ >+[...]  Another two hours were lostK >+to installing the microscope software and diddling about to make it work.  > . > The same: microscope producer or Microsoft ?< > I have a "marked" printer (Xerox), and the installation of; >driver works with way AFAIK supported for application, not 8 >HW drivers; then I have some trouble from time to time.4 > But that is NOT a Microsoft (but Xerox) problem... > E > One additional question: can you install the microscope under VMS ? ! > And I will risk -:) the answer: A >- no, because some hardware with %$#@@@@@&^@! drivers and buggy, ; > $%^&^&*$%# supporting software (for the hardware) etc. is 7 > simply not supported. Noone will support it. Starting  > from the hardware producer... > >  But *for windows* the support makes people, where some time; > doesn't think what will do... Sure... The Microsoft blame @ > is from the publicity: "Windows will do anything". And someone0 > belivie that - including the software writers. > ( >+Would I/Could I have done this?  [...]M >+a Mighty$chlock certified (certifiable?) type who has worked with this crap N >+since the days of the first IBM PCs and it takes him two very full days just7 >+to get an O/S and a simple toy application installed!  > . > Probably his knowledge was *yet* to small...@ > With seperate disk and recent BIOSes (recent: last years, most: >of Pentium and probably all newest) BIOS setup can be the >simplest resolution...  > O >+In contrast, I could have booted VMS from a CD and installed VMS, DECwindows, M >+TCP/IP and DECnet and booted from a new disk without having to worry about  / >+the existing version of software on any disk.  > @ > Ok. Right. I *will* agree with the point about VMS flexiblity.@ > But you also must agree, that getting any kernel software from8 >any random vendor can well "support" the blue-screen... >  > Regards - Gotfrydo >  >-- F >=====================================================================G >$ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") -  >		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME/ >$!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.ploF >===================================================================== >r >i  , Gee, Poland has some really slow technology!  H FYI, even with a second *NEW* disk installed in the toy box, Weendoze'98G would not install.  It saw the Weendoze NT disk and refused to install.nE The disk was physically disconnected to get it to install.  There is iF still some braindamage as Weendoze'98 insists that D: is a CDrom when, in fact, F: is the CD. :(n  * But, whaddaya want from monopoly$chlock??? --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMf  H        http://www.OpenVMS.digital.com:8000/72final/9996/9996pro_063.htmlH        http://www.OpenVMS.digital.com:8000/72final/9996/9996pro_072.html   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2000 14:53:03 GMTo2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: COE6 Message-ID: <8jq9cf$bn3$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  a In article <8jm1l4$q0u@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:M2 :The COE at this point is all smoke and mirrors.    H   The current COE standards are established, and the OpenVMS work would F   have to be evaluated as meeting these standards.  The COE standards F   are also evolving -- like most anything else in this business, it's    all a moving target.  H :Any chance we could get some sort of a brief checklist of what it will  :have in it, and what it won't?=  H   I am not aware of the availability of such a checklist as yet.  Sorry.J   (If you are in an area that has a direct interest in or requirement for /   COE, I can certainly pass the request along.)=  J   The first OpenVMS release with COE features will be limited -- the firstL   COE release looks much like the software equivilent of a limited hardware D   release, and will likely have a release version number to match.    I   I would expect to then see more details and more discussions around an 1K   OpenVMS release (containing COE features) after the OpenVMS V7.3 release.lN   V7.3 does not contain the COE features, those features will be in something I   that may be called "V7.2-6C1", and then appearing "again" in an OpenVMSr   release after V7.3.[  K   I would expect that we will be talking rather more about the OpenVMS COE sH   work at the Fall CETS200 event in LA, and then more as the subsequent ,   OpenVMS release (with COE features) nears.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 11:27:31 +0100tB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>/ Subject: Re: Compaq paying for software ports ?a* Message-ID: <39606A93.1C247677@uk.sun.com>   David A Froble wrote:n  * > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > > $ > > Arrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh. >*P > Hey, pretty good Andrew.  But, could you hold that growl just a bit longer?  I > do like blue. :-)h >mG > > Where are you going to get the apps from if you don't get them fromlA > > UNIX. What would you prefer applications that require a Win32u* > > library hosted on OpenVMS to run ????? > > J > > They don't grow on trees and people don't just go off an knock off say> > > an Office suite in Fortran or Pascal at the drop of a hat. > > G > > Hint, hint, hint, most of the commercial apps that currently run onl> > > OpenVMS are developed on UNIX and key bits of OpenVMS were > > also developed on UNIX.p >aK > First, before I make a statement, I'd ask just what is your definition ofdR > 'commercial apps'.  Then, I'd probably choose to disagree with you regardless ofM > the answer.  David Mathog also claimed that 95% of VMS apps come from Unix. P > Maybe true for his biology type apps.  Not everybody is a biologist.  Most VMSE > apps probably are custom developed, on VMS, to meet specific needs.p >s  O What I man by commercial apps are applications which you can buy/aquire off then shelf M (or with company/user  specific customisation) provide users/company/org with C the solution to a specific user/company/orgs computing requirement.b  D I would exclude compiler/debugger/development environments from thisE because although they provide solutions for developers they are not ac solution in themselves.,  D So a commercial applications could be Pro-Engineer, CATIA, Landmark,, through to SAP, PeopleSoft etc at the other.  D I fully accept that some peoples requirements for a system extend toB a compiler/development environment with appropriate libraries, butD these people are declining as a % of the overall market because moreD and more corporations/organisations are trying the buy off-the-shelf0 packages rather than make specific applications.  C A good example of this is the Finance market where 5 years ago manyrG companies built their own applications on top of their own data busses.   > Now many is not most of these companies have dropped their ownA data busses in favour of commercial message orientated middlewareoG and in a lot of cases they have moved the back end apps to a commerciald application as well.     Regards  Andrew Harrisonn Enterprise IT Architectn   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 18:15:22 +0100aB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>/ Subject: Re: Compaq paying for software ports ? * Message-ID: <3960CA2A.A0F53342@uk.sun.com>   Alan Greig wrote:r   > Wayne Sewell wrote: J > When I heard the term, I kinda guessed this was the meaning.  Only I was >iP > > thinking of "Section 8" from the U.S. military.  To quote Private Joker fromS > > Full Metal Jacket: "Leonard talks to his rifle.  I don't think Leonard can hack P > > it any more.  I think Leonard is a Section 8."  Since Leonard (also known asS > > Private Pyle) then went on to shoot the drill instructor and himself, Joker wasa > > probably right.  :-) > >c > X > Andrew's just forgotten that true visionaries are often called crazy at first. There'sY > perhaps an OS revolution coming and the Sun is no longer at the centre of the Universe.s >w  T No I havn't forgotten, you however seem to forget that for every true visionary thatM people though was crazy, there have been thousands of people who thought thatkR they were true visonaries but who turned out to be just run of the mill crazy. :-)   Andrew Harrisonm Enterprise IT Architecti   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 15:56:31 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>' Subject: Re: DCL vs. "real" programming@L Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0007031537040.31853-100000@localhost.localdomain>  $ On 2 Jul 2000, Phillip Helbig wrote:  H +For example, when writing an application which processes a lot of MAIL C +files, would one achieve much better performance by writing it in hC +Fortran or whatever and using the callable MAIL interface than by " +writing .COM files etc in DCL?m   IMHO - that depends.    We can think of 3 way:r4 1. Procedure, where is loop starts the MAIL command.  Probably you get big overhead.b0 2. "temporary mail commandprocedure", means file2  with the command for mail for any processed file.4   Then the DCL commandprocedure first creates w file6  with command list and in next step does one MAIL run.6   Because MAIL CLI interface work after error sometime5  can be hard to anticipate, *some* work can't be donea2  that way; b.ex. after SELE/FOLDER UNEXISTANT_NAME.  MAIL will operate on the previously selected.9 3. One-run MAIL with dynamically generated command, like:D  8 $ pipe open cm/wri mpa0: ; open oo mpa0:                # $ sh log/proc %% ! For check only !a [...]n   "CM" = "_BUK$MPA5"   "OO" = "_BUK$MPA6" [...]p* $ spa/nowa/inp='f$getdvi("cm","devnam")' -  	/out='f$getdvi("oo","devnam")'-	 					mail $ %DCL-S-SPAWNED, process GS_5 spawned  !  ...and in the command procedure:n   $ wri cm "dir/folr $ read oo line
 $ sh sym lineEG   LINE = "%MAIL-W-FILEMPTY, file DISK$USER:[GS]MAIL.MAI has no folders"s  9  What here look much harder, than with callable interfacee= is error handling... Missing in code possiblity of unexpectedr< error can stop you work: MAIL waits with "ennecessary" error8 data and you procedure waits in WRITE with next command.    Regards - Gotfryd   -- oE =====================================================================eF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEo. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================e   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 15:10:04 GMT6( From: Jay Olson <jjo@triton.com.no.spam>  Subject: DECnet and 3rd party SW2 Message-ID: <3960AB47.4B50CF8B@triton.com.no.spam>  F I seem to recall reading some time ago that Oracle 8 would not supportE DECnet as an SQL*Net connection method. Lo and behold, when I finallyvE got around to installing Oracle 8.0.5, there was no option to installs the DECnet version of SQL*Net.  G Now I read that 8.1.6 is out for VMS. Does this version support DECnet,M> or is DECnet gone from the Oracle world. What about the recentF Compaq/Oracle partnership? Is there some possibility that DECnet might$ make a comeback as a result of this?  F One of my largest customers has a "no TCP/IP allowed" policy for their@ core transaction processing systems. This is mainly for securityF reasons, but it also works very well and we would like to keep it that way.  > Another product which seems to suffer from this symptom is TNGE UniCenter. I haven't been able to get an answer from the folks at CA,cF but I also understand that this product is not usable in a DECnet only* world. Can anyone say anything about this?  ( 	- Jay Olson (jjo "at" triton "dot" com) 	Triton Software Group LLC   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 07:12:27 GMTw0 From: carlini@true.lkg.dec.com (Antonio Carlini)+ Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus or DECnet Phase IVa* Message-ID: <8jpdoh$bi8@usenet.pa.dec.com>  f In article <395F63B6.608093B4@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:  F >DECnet-IV (aka phase-IV) is the older product. It is stable, reliableD >and very "set it and forget it". It has many limitations aside from >being proprietary.y  M The Phase IV specs are on-line and have been for many years. Other companies e@ have developed Phase IV stacks. There may not be as many DECnet I implementations as there are IP implementations, but DECnet is still not / proprietary.  E >another NCL command. DECnet-V puts out many more OPCOM messages than-E >phase-IV, most of them unnecessary or meaningful only to the phase-V. >developers.  C Speaking as a developer (and a maintainer!) I like the messages :-)g  M >                  DECnet-V complains a lot more (via OPCOM) about conditionslG >that phase-IV handled quietly. The volume of messages generated is nothI >easily controllable and in many cases cannot be controlled at all unlessr$ >ALL messages are simply turned off.  J You can control messages quite precisely using the event dispatcher stuff N under NCL. You can turn off specific messages or a whole class of messages or H all messages. I'll admit that it is one of the least used or understood  features, but it is there.  G >Features such MOP "line service" and "remote console" are not provideduF >by DECnet-V, and must be facilitated by extension (external) programsI >which simply exploit the existing DECnet stack. These are supplied alongo@ >with DECnet-V (LANCP, "SET HOST/MOP"); so no additional cost is
 >incurred.  3 SET HOST/MOP exists or did you mean something else?0   >-H >On the other hand, DECnet-V (aka phase-V DECent) does facilitate DECnetE >over IP when used with a suitable IP stack. So this does work in itsn* >favor where this functionality is needed.  N There is (was?) a product that did this for Phase IV too (Phase/IP I think it  was called).   Antonio   I Antonio Carlini                            Mail: carlini@true.lkg.dec.comV# DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS Engineeringm6 COMPAQ                                     Reading, UK   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 11:41:40 +0100p  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com+ Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus or DECnet Phase IV > Message-ID: <80256911.003AE25C.00@qedilc01.qedi.quintiles.com>   John Malmberg wrote:J >>>One of the new features is the ability to tunnel DECnet traffic throughI TCP/IP networks so theorectically hobbyist's with full time connection torE the Internet could set up somewhat trusted tranparent connections.<<<h  O Depends on your definition of tunnelling.  I always took it that tunnelling waspO taking the native protocol packets and encasing them so that they looked like atM different protocol.  Then, when you got to the other end you stripped off thevJ "wrapper" from the different protocol to give you the packets for the real  protocol that you wanted to use.  G DECnet over TCP/IP does not work in this manner.  It uses TCP/IP as theoO transport layer of the DECnet stack.  No tunnelling is involved, making it morea2 efficient than the Multinet or TCPware approaches.  M It uses the PWIP (or Pathworks internet protocol) driver, although you do notaK need to install or run pathworks to be able to use this.  It comes (amongstoP other places) in the Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS - a.k.a. UCX - product.  P You do, however, still require the two nodes which are communicating to have theO same kind of configuration - if you're using DECnet over TCP/IP then both nodessM have to be configured for this.  You also can't communicate using DECnet over O TCP/IP between a phase IV node and a DECnet-Plus node and the phase IV box does;1 not have the capability to do DECnet over TCP/IP.d   Stever   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 12:33:25 GMTl0 From: Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org> Subject: Device specs?4 Message-ID: <pK%75.5875$W7.98643@news4.giganews.com>   Hello Folks:  J For my VAX emulator developement, I am looking for device specs as Unibus,J Q22, and Massbus devices like Ethernet, etc.  I have some specs about themF because of my PDP-10 emulator developement but am looking for EthernetA specs...  Ethernet is very important to implement routines for my 	 emulator.n  3 I found some information in NetBSD/VAX distributioneA (http://www.netbsd.org) about their specs... Does anyone have anytG information like books, etc.  That will help to write another operatingt systems like NetBSD/VAX, etc...t  I I already have VAX Arithecture Reference Manual, 1st Edition (1987) in mye hand.   
 Thank you!   -- Tim Stark   -- eC Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.org, sword7@firesword7.nettJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------    Date: 03 Jul 2000 17:41:46 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> @ Subject: Re: Disk I/O Performance (was Re: OpenVMS loses big...)H Message-ID: <y4og4fi5l1.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  4 mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:  J > Anyway, that suggests that the manner in which file extends are handled . > could use some work in the performance area.  M I liked Glenn Everhart's scheme, the details of which I don't quite remember,  but which are similar to this:  K - take the higher of the amount requested and x% (e.g., x=10) of the amount !   currently allocated to the fileoH - take the lower of the previous amount and some fraction (e.g., 1-3) of   free space left on the volumepH - take the lower of the previous amount and some fixed, volume-dependent0   maximum (e.g., 1% of the volume's total space)  K Thinking through various scenarios, this handles all I could think of well.oH One could also track the last request and automatically truncate to thatA (implied) size on close if an explicit $TRUNCATE isn't performed.R   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 15:53:35 GMTJ. From: Michael Austin <maustin@nc.prestige.net>- Subject: Enabling Proxies in the Secureserver=/ Message-ID: <3960C261.6DEAB5A7@nc.prestige.net>P  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------23629C7585B484D630599E00* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitn  2 how does one turn on proxies in the secure server?    uaf add/prox *::xxx  xxx/default7 %UAF-E-NAFADDERR, error adding proxy from *::XXX to XXXDC -SECSRV-E-PROXYNOTACTIVE, proxy processing is not currently active;f please try your request laterm   VMS 7.1    Thanks,c  & --------------23629C7585B484D630599E00- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;.  name="maustin.vcf"/ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitw, Content-Description: Card for Michael Austin  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="maustin.vcf"    begin:vcard  n:Austin;Michael d tel;work:704-947-1089f x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Michael Austin, Incc
 adr:;;;;;; version:2.1c+ email;internet:michaelaustininc@hotmail.comc title:Presidento x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Michael E. Austin	 end:vcardT  ( --------------23629C7585B484D630599E00--   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 19:21:48 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>1 Subject: Re: Enabling Proxies in the SecureservernL Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0007031916400.32699-100000@localhost.localdomain>  ) On Mon, 3 Jul 2000, Michael Austin wrote:t  3 +how does one turn on proxies in the secure server?a +e! +uaf add/prox *::xxx  xxx/defaultk8 +%UAF-E-NAFADDERR, error adding proxy from *::XXX to XXXD +-SECSRV-E-PROXYNOTACTIVE, proxy processing is not currently active; +please try your request later  ) 1. Have you created the proxy database ??i%  Check in authorize HELP CREATE/PROXY $ 2. Check if the secure server works.8  If not - start/restart it; check DCL HELP of SET SERVER;  If you have DECNET PHASE V then, have seen, some time onlye7  restart of whole system resolves a problem with proxy.    +VMS 7.1    Patches applied ?6 (if not, then nothing wrong checking the MANDATORY one  - at least !).s   +Thanks,    Regards - Gotfryd   --  E =====================================================================rF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MES. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2000 14:36:25 GMT-2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)2 Subject: Re: highwater marking, speed vs. security6 Message-ID: <8jq8d9$bdu$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  a In article <8jlr32$mdh@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:aP :...high water marking.  If a disk is mounted that way and a file created with:  :  : $ create/fdl : & :it takes a very long time to complete ..  D :Dismount the disk and remount it /nohighwater, then the same create1 :operation completes "quickly" (under a second.)    
   Expected...e  K :The purpose of /highwater is to prevent unpriv'd users from being able to fC :pick up data off the disk.  But is writing the pattern on the disk3G :really any more secure than attaching a variable "lastbyte" to it, and G :simply returning nulled out data (or an error, as appropriate) for anyt? :operation which tries to read past that position in the file? t  E   If you pre-extend the file, you are moving the EOF out, which meansrH   that the security erase pattern is required -- because you can get at G   any of the storage allocated to the file.  Degenerate cases -- cases eF   where erasing the file can slow things -- include extending indexed H   files and (obviously) relative files, and these require pattern fills.  3 :In terms of security, if the data was left on disko7 :(no delete/erase) then it is pretty insecure anyway...   9   EOD and HWM are intended for similar exposure problems.c  / .."do not allow access past last written byte"?p  *   We effectively do not allow that access.  F :By the way, can somebody explain exactly what happens when a file is K :extended (20 blocks) on a small write (100 bytes) on a disk with highwatereH :marking enabled?  Does the system first write the 100 bytes of data andL :then blank out the remaining new disk area, or does it blank out the entireK :new extended region and then overwite part of that with the 100 bytes?  If K :the latter, it seems incredibly wasteful if extend is just slightly largereD :than the size of a large write, for instance where one writes 32256% :bytes for an extend of 32768 bytes!    F   I'd have to go look at the exact HWM processing -- AFAIK, HWM writesF   the erasure pattern only when it really needs to write it.  If there;   is a user-write queued, that is "used" for the erasure...   6   (The HWM code, like its author, is pretty hairy. :-)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:22:58 +0100 B From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> Subject: Re: Hotmail* Message-ID: <3960BDE1.C47A04EF@uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote:  q > In article <39532C49.F2915AE2@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:. >. > > M > > After the first attempt which incedentally they never publically admitted2I > > to which was at least a year ago MS said that they would be migratingd2 > > Hotmail to Win2000 at some time in the future. > >wI > > Perhaps we should start a sweepstake on how many Wintel boxes runningt2 > > Win2000 they will need to replace their Sun's. > >sF > > Compaq apparently have supplied MS with 1600 boxes to run MS's web% > > site which is breathtakingly bad.s > >w >sD >         You know .. there are two views to this.  I am in the sameF >         camp as you Andrew and many in this group.  i.e. a few largeI >         servers.  And yet, the Industry with most read-mostly Web stuffe >         is in the other camp.  >   > Actually I don't have a view either way. Some systems are bestB served by 1 very large server (or a small number of large servers)? but some applications are best served by a very large number ofp small servers.  A Where I have issues are with people particularly Microsoft tryingt@ to sell miriads of small servers in a shared nothing environmentF where the application dictates that a single or small number of largerC servers would be a much more cost effective, practical and workable 	 solution.:  D I also have issues with people who without a low end server strategy? denigrate the idea of using a large number of small servers fori? functions that can be easily/better served by a large number ofs small servers.  B The first category (small number of large) covers things like data5 warehouses, most ERP systems and most databases wheret> complex joins are required which cross systems boundaries in a2 shared nothing or clustered shared storage system.  ? The second category (large number of small) covers things like,r< static web servers, caching proxy servers, web servers front7 ending dynamic content servers, WEB search engines etc.e  < Microsoft in this are a special case mainly because of their7 profligate use of systems resource. You can for examplet4 serve many more active email users with Lotus Domino0 than you can with Exchange on the same hardware.A If you use something like iPlanet Mail server or the Software.comv; mailserver then you can host even more on the same hardwarec> than Domino. If you look at things like directory services NDS< running on NT is much less performant than NDS on Solaris on% an equivalent box (NT's the culprit).   < This profligate use of systems resource forces people to use< a very large number of inefficiently utilised smallish boxes; which each have to be indevidually managed/fed and watered.i  E The fact for example that Compaq claim to have 1600 servers installedD: to host Microsoft's WEB site is a perfect example of this.  8 Incedentally Linux does not really solve this issue, its7 faster than NT (on small systems) and not being able tot7 host Exchange means that it has to run something betterd7 with a smaller footprint. But Linux does not scale wellr6 so you get a smaller number of small servers where you; may still be better off with a much smaller number (1 or 2), of large servers.G     RegardsR Andrew HarrisonH Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 13:27:00 +0100=- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>-- Subject: Re: How come IBM gets all the press.0) Message-ID: <39608694.8E154F60@bbc.co.uk>o   Richard wrote:  8 >  Anyway you're talking about jounalists which for some= > reason (please don't write bad things about the government)o5 > seem to be IR35 exempt :-( I just wish we had a Louc >e  7 Journalists, lawyers too. IR35 stinks. What can you do?     --i6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukn  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofs MedAS or the BBC.p   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2000 13:41:45 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)N Subject: Re: How do you Use LCKPAG on ALPHA to lock a full process in memory ?6 Message-ID: <8jq56p$b44$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  I In article <8jhmdd$r35$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, paul_hallam@my-deja.com writes:i  G   I'll pass along a request for a cancellation for the discussion over fE   in the Ask The Wizard area, as this question was asked there -- peraG   the Ask The Wizard rules, please do not cross-post questions from/in ($   Ask The Wizard elsewhere.  Thanks!  H :I'm in the process of moving a 7 year old realtime datafeed applicationI :from VAX to ALPHA. I know very little of the application innards as I'veR% :only been working on it for a month.s  F   You will need to become more familiar with the application, as this F   locking may or may not be required.  (In many cases, I would expect    that it is not.)  F   My suggestion?  Get the ported application working, then see if you H   really need to bother with any of this stuff -- and you can then also G   look for options and alternatives, if you find you need to improve oni+   the real-time characteristics and timing.a  E :I do know that the program I am trying to lock into memory currently,D :uses a LCKPAG and SETSWM to lock the pages into memory and stop the@ :process ffrom being swapped out of the balance set. The processG :'watches' the other parts of the application and crashes the system ifiB :it sees a problem, control then passes to another box to continue	 :working.   E   The stated task does not immediately appear to require locking the h   process pages into memory. u  B   Another box?  (Nevermind, I don't think that's relevent here...)  F   I would not want to bother with this locking unless you really know D   that the application can not tolerate paging -- older VAX systems E   could handle roughly 10 hard faults and 100 soft faults per second aE   peak, while this level of page faulting activity would be entirely tG   unnoticed on most any OpenVMS Alpha system.  (Also note that various iG   aspects of memory management differ rather markedly on OpenVMS Alpha tJ   systems -- 8KB (to 64KB) pages, different page tables, and a preference ;   to use extra and aligned memory for performance reasons.)t  B :I understand how to create the PSECTS in the code in Pascal and IE :understand how to generate the options linker file BUT I'm still not 7 :sure WHERE to create the labels BEGIN_LOCK_ADDRESS andtF :END_LOCK_ADDRESSES to ensure that the linker knows to include all the :code and data.i  G   You're going to have an entertaining time, as (if you really want to hG   do this) you will end up locking multiple ranges of memory -- either lH   into the working set, or into physical memory.  The former is usually J   enough, as the pages have to be in the working set when the application I   is active -- the latter will constrain the activities of system memory  
   management.t  > :(I assume I just pass the addresses of BEGIN_LOCK_ADDRESS andE :END_LOCK_ADDRESS to LCKPAG to lock everything between these 2 pages)   D   If you pursue this, you will become rather more familiar with someD   arcane corners of the Alpha system design, including the procedureD   descriptors.  (I will assume you can get away without any of this    knowledge...)o  I :By the way I remember reading the manuals and they say that I would need F :to call LCKPAG twice to lock the code and the data in memory, is this :not necessary ?  D   First, why are you doing this?   Is paging really a factor?  Have J   you looked at the paging patterns and data accesses, as proper locality D   of reference can certainly reduce paging?  Have you looked at the C   performance of the OpenVMS Alpha paging subsystem?  Will the "bigr3   hammer" approach of SET PROCESS/NOSWAP help here?e  H   Second, you will probably want to use $lkwset, not $lckpag. (And at a A   minimum, please make sure that you understand the distinction.)u  E   Attached is an example of locating the OpenVMS Alpha code in memorymH   -- and also the associated linkage sections -- for later locking into D   the working set ($lkwset) or into physical memory ($lckpag).  This#   example does not locate the data.a  J   One of the more common approaches is to code a mechanism for triggering H   an image to activate and hibernate, and then simply INSTALL the image I   /OPEN/HEADER/SHARE/...  With one copy of the image activated, the code  2   will be available in memory for other accessors.     $/0 $ CC /OBJECT=TEST /list=test /machine SYS$INPUT:   #pragma module test_code "v1.0"M   /*8 //  Define the references to the linkage and code psects */ #pragma extern_model save5< #pragma extern_model strict_refdef "$$C$LINKAGE_BEGIN" noshr void *__linkage_begin ;  #pragma extern_model restore   #pragma extern_model saved  : #pragma extern_model strict_refdef "__C$LINKAGE_END" noshr void *__linkage_end ;o #pragma extern_model restore   #pragma extern_model saven7 #pragma extern_model strict_refdef "$$C$CODE_BEGIN" shrt void *__code_begin ; #pragma extern_model restore   #pragma extern_model saveo5 #pragma extern_model strict_refdef "__C$CODE_END" shrt void *__code_end ; #pragma extern_model restore     #include <stdio.h>   void test_routine()t   {    printf("Test Routine") ;   }r  
 main(void)   {i
   int *lp;  8   printf("The addresses of the linkage section are:\n");-   printf("    begin: %08p       end: %08p\n",f&     &__linkage_begin, &__linkage_end);  5   printf("The addresses of the code section are:\n");G-   printf("    begin: %08p       end: %08p\n",g&     &__linkage_begin, &__linkage_end);  5   printf("The addresses of the code section are:\n");"-   printf("    begin: %08p       end: %08p\n",-      &__code_begin, &__code_end);  :   printf("The address of main(linkage) is: %08p\n", main);I   printf("The address of test_routine(linkage) is %08p\n", test_routine);      lp = (int*) &main;B   printf("The address of main(code) is: %08p\n", (void *) lp[2] );     lp = (int*) &test_routine ;.J   printf("The address of test_routine(code) is %08p\n", (void *) lp[2] ) ;     return 1;    }d   $ 6 $ LINK /MAP=TEST_CODE /CROSS/FULL/EXE=TEST_CODE TEST -         + SYS$INPUT:/OPT !s1 ! Match code and linkage section psect attributes  !uD psect= $$C$CODE_BEGIN, PIC,CON,REL,LCL,  SHR,  EXE,NOWRT,NOVEC,  MODD psect= __C$CODE_END,   PIC,CON,REL,LCL,  SHR,  EXE,NOWRT,NOVEC,  MODF psect=$$C$LINKAGE_BEGIN, NOPIC,CON,REL,LCL,NOSHR,NOEXE,NOWRT,NOVEC,MODF psect=__C$LINKAGE_END,   NOPIC,CON,REL,LCL,NOSHR,NOEXE,NOWRT,NOVEC,MOD $a $n $ RUN TEST_CODE  ..  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 03 Jul 2000 16:18:34 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>-N Subject: Re: How do you Use LCKPAG on ALPHA to lock a full process in memory ?H Message-ID: <y4itunl2kl.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>   paul_hallam@my-deja.com writes:7  F > I do know that the program I am trying to lock into memory currentlyE > uses a LCKPAG and SETSWM to lock the pages into memory and stop thea6 > process ffrom being swapped out of the balance set.   . LCKWSET+SETSWM ~= LCKPAG. I believe a process    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 09:47:54 GMTt From: mapryan@my-deja.comC Subject: LA36 Escape codes) Message-ID: <8jpng7$7p5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>s   Hi All,   A Anyone got a copy of the LA36 escape codes ? We've recently takennF delivery of one of these, and it doesn't come with a user manual, just an installation guide !    Regardsc   Mike    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 07:35:15 -040072 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: LA36 Escape codes7 Message-ID: <200007030735_MC2-AAE8-1972@compuserve.com>n  D         I hope you weren't counting on your LA36 to do anything thatJ requires escape codes!  To the best of my (dim) recollection, the LA36 do= esE not recognize or generate any escape sequences.  It doesn't need themdJ because it has no features that would require them.  It has only one font= ,DF no programmable keys, no stunts other than CR, LF, BEL. . ., which are4 handled by the appropriate ASCII control characters.    4 Message text written by INTERNET:mapryan@my-deja.comB >Anyone got a copy of the LA36 escape codes ? We've recently takenF delivery of one of these, and it doesn't come with a user manual, just an installation guide !<   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 11:39:18 GMTi From: mapryan@my-deja.comX Subject: Re: LA36 Escape codes) Message-ID: <8jpu14$brs$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   G I may have found what I need. Here's the link if it's of help to anyonei else:e  ? http://www.hp.com/cposupport/printers/support_doc/bpl02703.html7? http://www.hp.com/cposupport/printers/support_doc/bpl02705.htmle  = Couldn't find any documentation for the la36 anywhere, thoughd   Cheers  ) In article <8jpng7$7p5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,=   mapryan@my-deja.com wrote:	 > Hi All,A >AC > Anyone got a copy of the LA36 escape codes ? We've recently takenEH > delivery of one of these, and it doesn't come with a user manual, just > an installation guide != >=	 > Regards= >= > Mike >-( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.  >m    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 04:59:35 -0700m4 From: mapryan <mike.ryanNOmiSPAM@redmar.com.invalid> Subject: Re: LA36 Escape codes9 Message-ID: <1bc6797c.2e8e33af@usw-ex0105-038.remarq.com>I   Richard,  > Thanks for the reply. What's happened, is where I am now, they> were trying to send formatted output out to an LA36, which was< causing all manner of problems, not least was a page full of= question marks. That would seem to be the lack of any sort of  fonts, which you mentioned.   ? What I've done, is to create a new LA36 module for the specifich< print queue, then taken out all of the stuff that won't work such as font requests.   Cheers   Mike    ; -----------------------------------------------------------r  7 Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.p Up to 100 minutes free!f http://www.keen.come   ------------------------------  " Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:13:17 GMT( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> Subject: Re: LA36 Escape codes' Message-ID: <Fx4FA5.4yC@spcuna.spc.edu>t  2 Richard B. Gilbert <DRAGON@compuserve.com> writes:F >         I hope you weren't counting on your LA36 to do anything thatM > requires escape codes!  To the best of my (dim) recollection, the LA36 doessG > not recognize or generate any escape sequences.  It doesn't need them L > because it has no features that would require them.  It has only one font,H > no programmable keys, no stunts other than CR, LF, BEL. . ., which are6 > handled by the appropriate ASCII control characters.  J   Well, sort of. As I recall (subject to synaptical parity errors), it had/ double-wide (possibly via SI/SO control codes).   I   You could add a variety of boards to the base logic. As I recall, therenK were options for both the vertical format unit (added vertical tab to form-eH feed, and maybe some variable forms length) and one for horizontal tabs.  :   The basic unit didn't have any of those options, though.  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.comr5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2000 11:23:42 -0400 4 From: "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: LA36 Escape codes+ Message-ID: <B5862840-1DAD6@165.247.48.141>   7 On Mon, Jul 3, 2000 5:47 AM, mapryan@my-deja.com wrote:  >Hi All, >-B >Anyone got a copy of the LA36 escape codes ? We've recently takenG >delivery of one of these, and it doesn't come with a user manual, justc >an installation guide !  E For Digital terminal and printer devices, the first place to look foro3 escape code information is SYS$SYSTEM:SMGTERMS.TXT.c  F The section for the LA36 is really short.  It seems this printer can't do anything fancy.  K BTW, if you find yourself doing "escape code" programming on VMS for any ofaE these devices, you probably should be using the SMG$ routines insteadeI of manual labor.  For pure output, the overhead is only 1 or 2 subroutinea6 calls to set things up.  Input takes a few calls more.   ---------------------------t Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.come   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 12:21:07 +0100l/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>eA Subject: re:  Northern Light vs. Google (and the winner is . . .)a6 Message-ID: <009EC871.A0B08096.9@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>  G > > As a related but tangential point, consider that if you have a farmmH > > of ten thousand IDE drives, you currently need 2500 or 5000 PC-cloneC > > motherboards to drive them due to IDE cable length limitations.p? > > So if you're all hot to use the cheapest IDE drives in yourrI > > big-storage system, you don't have a lot of choice but to use a large A > > number of PC-clones attended to by a large number of flunkiesmE > > to maintain them.  Is it possible that this is one of the reasonsoE > > why Google has so many PC-clones and staff to maintain them, thatnD > > they didn't have any other choice given that they were committed# > > to lowest-end storage hardware?c > K > Sorry, can't let you get away with that one.  First remember that Bill ispP > suggesting a new method for doing something, recognizing the absurd size disksQ > are growing to.  So it doesn't have to be limited to todays widgets.  Suppose abK > new device, that supports some rather large number of IDE interfaces, andhJ > addresses whatever issues there are for supporting a large number of IDEQ > drives.  Doesn't exist today, as far as I know, but not something impossible toe > design and build.s  $ Actually, this does exist today. See  = http://www.raidzone.com (and look for "Raidzone disk arrays")x  I The design is a RAID controller with a dedicated IDE controller for each nH IDE disk. Looks like great value for money - but I'm not a customer and E have no idea whatsoever what the actual merits of these products are.r  F IDE interface chips are extremely inexpensive, unlike SCSI ones. (I'veB always wondered why. Someone's intellectual property? Or lack of aI mass market? Or the technical difficulty of implementing a long fast bus?c  G It's also important to note that whereas it once made a lot of sense tonL bus-connect disks, as they keep getting bigger and faster this get less and J less appropriate, and a star-connected topology looks increasingly better.H There are some similarities with networking: the original co-ax EthernetE was a bus topology, Base-T went star-connected at the physical level,p7 switched Ethernet is star-connected at the data level. h  G I can't help wondering if something even less conventional will emerge.xJ IBM have a 1Gb micro-drive with a one-square-inch footprint. I wonder whatI might be built, if these beasties could be made at $30 each? (If you findeG this thought unlikely, consider the throw-away quartz watch, the floppyaF disk drive, or the cheapest bubblejet printers; all electromechanical  devices at "silly" low prices).    	Yours,r
 		Nigel Arnota- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                      7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."0   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 14:36:00 +0100R- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>D@ Subject: Re: Northern Light vs. Google (and the winner is . . .)) Message-ID: <396096C0.92358D8D@bbc.co.uk>e   David A Froble wrote:w   > Tim Llewellyn wrote: > >nW > > David A Froble wrote: Now my shop is not what you'd call large.  Tiny is a start ins > > the proper > >aU > > > direction.  I do not use any tape devices.  Never trusted them as much as disk,tU > > > but acknowledged the necessity of backups.  However, with about 20 African GraylL > > > parrots sharing the same building as some of my systems, the amount ofN > > > ultra-fine dust from the birds is rather large, and a tape drive in that: > > > environment is lucky to last a month.  I have proof! > >oU > > Well, if you don't insist on separate, environmentally controlled environment for  > > your servers...4 >@N > Well, ya gotta remember, I'm pretty much doing software development, and notP > much else.  All my systems are what are defined as office environment systems.O > Yeah, the air conditioned big plate glass data center is nice, but I'd rathereK > spend my extra cash on aircraft, not a (rather expensive) building.  I amoM > working on a new office building, and it will be quite a bit cleaner.  Hey, N > someone's gotta perform the enviromental tests on this equipment.  I can say/ > what many know, DEC hardware is pretty tough.w >i  Q Sure David, I know it too. Even field service types have remarked to me you don'tnU need aircon for workgroup level servers. However, I do feel more comfortable with thehI server tucked away somewhere, doesn't have to be a full blow data centre.n   >iT > > David, I am interested, how do you do a system disk restore like this? Boot intoS > > a cluster temporarily as a satellite and restore the image backup of the system 	 > > disk?tV > > For that you need cluster licences, and I do I think rememeber you saying you have > > no cluster.G >dN > No cluster, but everything is on the network.  Some time back we were saying > "the network is the system". >sR > Never had to do so, at least because of disk failures.  But, if I should finallyP > lose a disk, I just go to one of the systems with the backup save-sets, pull aP > spare disk off the shelf, put it in the system, and restore the image saveset.P > (Or any of my systems, since the save-set can be restored from a remote DECnetR > node.)  Then move that disk to the affected system, and I'm bact to the point ofM > the image backup.  Now, this manual procedure may not be for everyone.  I'muM > rather well acquainted with digging around inside the systems, and changingoO > disks isn't too big a problem.  An extra 10 minutes or so.  But, refer to thehQ > first sentence of this paragraph, and you'll see that I'm not too inconvienced,m > and I am protected.a >   - Fair enough, as long as you have spare disks.t   >, > Dave >e > --6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596@ > DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com8 > T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukl  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofe MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 11:13:06 +0100nB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters vs other systems clusterse* Message-ID: <39606732.7FA8CFA4@uk.sun.com>   Carl Perkins wrote:a  ; > "Larry D Bohan, Jr" <LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com> writes... H > }On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:19:19 -0400, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>	 > }wrote:aK > }>Only a couple of months ago, a friend who investigated the situation (IcP > }>suspect thoroughly, since low-end VMS issues are of considerable interest toL > }>him) reported that the base VMS license available in the low-end pricingP > }>tier (DS10, DS20, ES40) indeed did not include the TCP/IP stack and friends,O > }>and cost around $1200.  Now the least expensive package listed for the DS10gM > }>reportedly *does* include the TCP/IP stack and friends, and costs several,L > }>times that amount (haven't heard whether the old, $1200 base package wasP > }>actually discontinued, or is just something you have to ask for specifically > }>to find out about it). > }S > }??? > } + > }I can't speak for the DS10 (workstation) < > }but DS20's (and likely, ES40's) come with the EIP bundle. > }ie, > }u( > }DIGITAL Enterprise Integration Server > }nB > }DIGITAL Enterprise Integration Server for OpenVMS, Release 2.0,G > }license packages are included with most OpenVMS AlphaServer systems.n >e8 > This would be included in the standard configurations. >lG > But you can buy your DS20 (or whatever) bare naked without an OS (the G > "linux ready" configuration). Then you could (and possibly still can)nL > buy *just* the VMS license without the EIS package. This would, of course,F > not come with the EIS related licenses, so you wouldn't have TCP/IP. >eM > But that's not the normal way of doing things. I expect you can buy serversuO > from Sun in some "odd" configurations too, if you do it on purpose instead ofc% > buying the standard configurations.a >   K No, at least not in the OS sense, all Sun systems, Workstations and Servers K come with the Solaris OS license for that system, there is no "bare" systemmN pricing. You do have to pay for Solaris media if you need it but one media kit cand9 be used for as many systems as you like, or is practical.d  J From the post's it is apparent that OpenVMS now ships with the EIS packageH which includes TCP/IP. There are however a couple of things that I would	 question.O  I 1.    Why is TCP/IP not included in the core OS release, instead of being<L         part of an additional package that is currently bundled with OpenVMS2         but which hasn't been bundled in the past.  E         Most people and particulary people building eCommerce systems%L         assume that IP is part of the OS and packaging it as it is currently.         packaged sends out the wrong messages.  H 2.    Why is OpenVMS so outrageously expensive, Linux, Solaris and otherO         commercial UNIX's are all much much less expensive. Even Win2K which is P         by Linux/Solaris standards very expensive is a lot cheaper than OpenVMS.  N         Solaris x86 for up to 8 CPU systems is available for 75 dollars, I can build,L         a caching proxy server with Solaris on a reasonable x86 box for less?         than the cost that having the OpenVMS adds to the DS10.   O         This is not an argument about the relative capability of OpenVMS vs theuM         other OS's mentioned but a comment on the ludicrous price that Compaq '         seems to want to put on the OS.d     Regardsi Andrew Harrisone Enterprise IT ArchitectE   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 11:50:57 +0100P  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters vs other systems clustersS> Message-ID: <80256911.003BBBBD.00@qedilc01.qedi.quintiles.com>   Andrew Harrison asked:L >>>1.    Why is TCP/IP not included in the core OS release, instead of beingL         part of an additional package that is currently bundled with OpenVMS5         but which hasn't been bundled in the past.<<<w  P Maybe because having the IP stack bundled into the operating system distributionO would limit the upgrade paths available for the IP stack?  Some system managerslO are still running OS versions in the v5 range and before.  Supplying the TCP/IP H stack in a separate bundle from the OS means that one can potentially beI upgraded without the other (as I've had to do on more than one occasion).o   Then he also asked:eK >>>2.    Why is OpenVMS so outrageously expensive, Linux, Solaris and otherpO         commercial UNIX's are all much much less expensive. Even Win2K which is P         by Linux/Solaris standards very expensive is a lot cheaper than OpenVMS.  N         Solaris x86 for up to 8 CPU systems is available for 75 dollars, I can buildlL         a caching proxy server with Solaris on a reasonable x86 box for less?         than the cost that having the OpenVMS adds to the DS10.w  O         This is not an argument about the relative capability of OpenVMS vs thetM         other OS's mentioned but a comment on the ludicrous price that Compaqt*         seems to want to put on the OS.<<<  P There's a difference between the way that Sun conducts business and the way thatO Compaq conducts business.  Sun believe that software should not be treated as amA "for profit" product and chose to make their margins on hardware.sN Compaq view the software and hardware businesses differently and as needing toM make profit to justify their existence and feeding.  Whether this is right ornM wrong I'll leave others to argue.  It's just two different ways of looking ata things.,   Steve.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 13:22:08 +0200% From: "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl>n7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters vs other systems clustersa. Message-ID: <8jpt11$6ks$1@info.service.rug.nl>  I "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote in =n, message news:39606732.7FA8CFA4@uk.sun.com... > Carl Perkins wrote:  >=20 > (...)  >=20F > From the post's it is apparent that OpenVMS now ships with the EIS = packagedF > which includes TCP/IP. There are however a couple of things that I = woulde > question.e >=20G > 1.    Why is TCP/IP not included in the core OS release, instead of =  beingmH >         part of an additional package that is currently bundled with = OpenVMSt4 >         but which hasn't been bundled in the past. >=20G >         Most people and particulary people building eCommerce systemsaF >         assume that IP is part of the OS and packaging it as it is =	 currentlyu0 >         packaged sends out the wrong messages.  C Maybe because a lot of installations still use third party TCP/IP =g	 packages?nF I'm happy that I don't have to deinstall things before I can install =	 Multinet.    > (...)o >=20	 > Regardse > Andrew Harrison  > Enterprise IT Architect  >=20 >=20 >=20   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:21:15 +0200% From: "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl>n7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters vs other systems clustersn. Message-ID: <8jq7gt$9se$1@info.service.rug.nl>  / <steven.reece@quintiles.com> wrote in message = 8 news:80256911.003BBBBD.00@qedilc01.qedi.quintiles.com... >=20 >=20 > Andrew Harrison asked:J > >>>1.    Why is TCP/IP not included in the core OS release, instead of = beingmH >         part of an additional package that is currently bundled with = OpenVMS,7 >         but which hasn't been bundled in the past.<<<o >=20G > Maybe because having the IP stack bundled into the operating system =o distributionJ > would limit the upgrade paths available for the IP stack?  Some system = managersH > are still running OS versions in the v5 range and before.  Supplying =
 the TCP/IPI > stack in a separate bundle from the OS means that one can potentially =  beB > upgraded without the other (as I've had to do on more than one =
 occasion).  H There may be another reason for not including too much software into the operating system..I It reminds me of an operating system producer that included an Internet =s browseryI in his operating system. Not everyone liked the idea, although it seems =  oneeJ of the basic tools for a modern operating system to me. I don't remember = exactlyo% what was Sun's position in this case.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:29:06 +0100oB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters vs other systems clusters0* Message-ID: <3960BF51.FCF33F3E@uk.sun.com>  ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:g   > Andrew Harrison asked:N > >>>1.    Why is TCP/IP not included in the core OS release, instead of beingN >         part of an additional package that is currently bundled with OpenVMS7 >         but which hasn't been bundled in the past.<<<d >tR > Maybe because having the IP stack bundled into the operating system distributionQ > would limit the upgrade paths available for the IP stack?  Some system managerskQ > are still running OS versions in the v5 range and before.  Supplying the TCP/IPoJ > stack in a separate bundle from the OS means that one can potentially beK > upgraded without the other (as I've had to do on more than one occasion).  >   A So include it in the core OS for 7.2 and provide it unbundled forl7 the people who cannot upgrade the whole OS but who needG> a newer IP stack. This isn't that difficult to do and is quite; common, many products that have started off being unbundleda9 extras have ended up in the OS. Java virtual machines fore8 example were routinely separate releases but many modern. OS's now include a JVM as part of the core OS.   Andrew Harrisona Enterprise IT Architecty   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2000 14:49:38 -0500s9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)c7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters vs other systems clustersw+ Message-ID: <w4eb29YQG8Q8@eisner.decus.org>e  o In article <3960BF51.FCF33F3E@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:i# > steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:e >  >> Andrew Harrison asked: O >> >>>1.    Why is TCP/IP not included in the core OS release, instead of beingoO >>         part of an additional package that is currently bundled with OpenVMSn8 >>         but which hasn't been bundled in the past.<<< >>S >> Maybe because having the IP stack bundled into the operating system distributiontR >> would limit the upgrade paths available for the IP stack?  Some system managersR >> are still running OS versions in the v5 range and before.  Supplying the TCP/IPK >> stack in a separate bundle from the OS means that one can potentially betL >> upgraded without the other (as I've had to do on more than one occasion). >> > C > So include it in the core OS for 7.2 and provide it unbundled for 9 > the people who cannot upgrade the whole OS but who needi > a newer IP stack.p  B I am not sure how what you describe differs from what exists todayA (at least for Alpha).  When you try to install VMS you are forcedS@ to answer a series of about 5 questions, one of which is whether? you want the Compaq TCP/IP product as part of the installation.r  ? A different technique is used for installing it after-the-fact.   A They are on the same CD-ROM, and they install as part of the same,5 procedure, but a customer can opt-out if they choose.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 15:03:21 +0100t- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> ; Subject: Re: OpenVMS loses big, was:  RE: Compaq advertisese) Message-ID: <39609D29.2CEDAEC2@bbc.co.uk>r   Bill Todd wrote:  K >  Exactly as many times as people like Tim keep posting comments making itnI > clear that they *still* don't understand that the issue is purely a VMSuI > performance deficiency, not some kind of trade-off involving integrity.VF > This is the VMS bigot's version of the 'big lie' (reverse snake oil,M > anyone?), and it gets repeated so often that without vigorous refutation itPL > seems likely to continue to dominate the thinking not only of participantsL > here but within the development group - which will not do VMS much good in > the real world.  >-  P OK, maybe I missed some of the discussion. As I understand it now, what David is sayingK is "Unix apps run slower on unix than on VMS, mainly for filesystem relatedP reasons." What I am saying iseI "sure, I knew that, to get performance on VMS design your application forn VMS,especially, don'tlF use zillions of little files".  Of course, if you can do configuration" management properly and understandN comupting rather than just a limited aspect of one particlar operating system, it doesn't seem toG like that much hard work to make an application work efficiently with a- consistent, userfriendlyP (non-unix) user interface on a range of platforms including VMS and unix. Oracle
 seem to be a good example.   H David, how many of your "applications" were written by grad students and
 postsdocs?   > - bill >l >   It's worse than spam!f  L Yeah, but at least there ain't much more than one percent of the trafiic you
 create, Bill.i --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukc  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of0 MedAS or the BBC.o   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2000 13:56:30 GMTt2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman). Subject: Re: Oracle - Emb. SQL program: ACCVIO6 Message-ID: <8jq62e$b44$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  i In article <395C6D2A.7685A509@satcom.nera.no>, Kjell Arne Rekaa <Kjell.Arne.Rekaa@satcom.nera.no> writes:lI :I have a program with ORACLE embedded SQL code in it, which crashes withp  F   I would encourage posting version information when asking questions.F   In this case, the SQL language and version, the OpenVMS platform andH   version (based on the PSL, this looks like an OpenVMS Alpha box), and %   the Oracle (or Oracle Rdb) version.    :ACCESS VIOLATION.H :Since the virtual address=00000001, does this mean that the "sqlbdv" is" :trying to execute from address 1?  F   Based on the ACCVIO message -- please learn how to decode the ACCVIOG   message, and particularly learn how to interprete the reason mask -- oJ   the code located at address 173A2764 is attempting to read from virtual G   address 1.  That PC is a little unusual, and may or may not be valid. H   (I'd have to see if there was actually code loaded up there -- you canD   usually use the image MAP (/FULL...) and the compiler listings to B   determine where routines and data are loaded in virtual memory.)G   If the PC is bogus, then you are probably on the trail of a stack or s   a pool corruptor.=  H :If I remember right, everything below address %x200 is reserved for VMS- :and NOT available for my process to execute?/  B   By default.  It is easily possible to make this range available.  G :Are there any ORACLE-gurus out there to tell me how I could track thisd :situation further down?  I   What you want is some familiarity with the debugger, at least to start.c  I   Compile the code with CC/DEBUG enabled -- you can quite easily do this  I   at least with Oracle Rdb -- and use the OpenVMS debugger on the module.nH   (This code certainly appears to have been built with debug enabled...)G   Then work through the code to see what is going on when it fails, and G   then (if necessary) work backward through the code to figure out how n   it got into this mess...  4 :%SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00,E :                  virtual address=00000001, PC=173A2764, PS=0000001B- ..  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2000 12:01:19 -0500u9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)a# Subject: Re: POSIX - couldn't startG+ Message-ID: <c+9FmWrPyjye@eisner.decus.org>y  F In article <8jq8ao$j9v$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, vladaperic@yahoo.com writes: > Hi,o > C > I'm not experience with VMS so sorry for possible dummy question.nI > When I tried to start POSIX utility, I got the following error message:t >> POSIXE > %POSIX-F-CTXNOTINI, POSIX system initialization not completed - sees > system manager > 9 > What should be done to enable POSIX utility on OpenVMS?c' > My OS is OpenVMS Alpha, version V6.2.   C If Posix were consistent with other layered products there would besA a file called SYS$STARTUP:POSIX$STARTUP.COM that should have beenaB invoked when your system started.  Hence the line about seeing theG system manager (who takes care of such things).  There is no indicatione: in your post regarding whether you are the system manager.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 14:35:05 GMT  From: vladaperic@yahoo.com Subject: POSIX - couldn't start ) Message-ID: <8jq8ao$j9v$1@nnrp1.deja.com>-   Hi,-  A I'm not experience with VMS so sorry for possible dummy question.<G When I tried to start POSIX utility, I got the following error message:B > POSIXDC %POSIX-F-CTXNOTINI, POSIX system initialization not completed - seec system manager  7 What should be done to enable POSIX utility on OpenVMS?v% My OS is OpenVMS Alpha, version V6.2.h Thanks,i Vladimir    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.o   ------------------------------  / Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 09:06:37 +0200 (MET DST)o& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>9 Subject: Problem to reboot the bootserver of a VMSclusteri/ Message-ID: <200007030612.IAA05662@fom.fgan.de>d   Hello,  G since an upgrade to OpenVMS 7.1-2 AXP on the bootserver, I am unable toaH reboot the VMScluster bootserver. The first problem was after upgrade ofM PathWorks (It runs on the bootserver only). During reboot of bootserver, the tF whole cluster reboots. That was not what I did want. TSC Munchen says:F it's not a bug, it's a feature, the normal cluster behavior. I did seeG that the RECNXINTERVAL was at 20 seconds and I thought that this is tookJ low. So I did change them to 600 seconds. But the problem did only change.H After reboot the bootserver hangs and I have to reboot the whole clusterC manuell. I did not see this problem in earlier versions of OpenVMS.tG I was able to reboot the bootserver without rebooting the cluster. ThishE was a usefull feature. Does anybody know, whats have changed? Is this C real a feature? I think this is a bug. Is there any solution, if thg> bootserver reboots in case of a crash, software upgrade or so?   TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 14:50:49 +0200% From: "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl>o= Subject: Re: Problem to reboot the bootserver of a VMScluster . Message-ID: <8jq279$8ac$1@info.service.rug.nl>  5 "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in message = ) news:200007030612.IAA05662@fom.fgan.de...a > Hello, >=20H > since an upgrade to OpenVMS 7.1-2 AXP on the bootserver, I am unable = toI > reboot the VMScluster bootserver. The first problem was after upgrade =e of@ > PathWorks (It runs on the bootserver only). During reboot of = bootserver, the=20H > whole cluster reboots. That was not what I did want. TSC Munchen says:H > it's not a bug, it's a feature, the normal cluster behavior. I did seeG > that the RECNXINTERVAL was at 20 seconds and I thought that this is =d tooxF > low. So I did change them to 600 seconds. But the problem did only = change. D > After reboot the bootserver hangs and I have to reboot the whole = clusterDE > manuell. I did not see this problem in earlier versions of OpenVMS. F > I was able to reboot the bootserver without rebooting the cluster. = ThisG > was a usefull feature. Does anybody know, whats have changed? Is thissE > real a feature? I think this is a bug. Is there any solution, if the@ > bootserver reboots in case of a crash, software upgrade or so? >=20  > TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert >=20  D This not normal behaviour. I can boot our 7.2-1 bootserver without = booting satellites.g3 Which command do you use to reboot the boot server?tF How do the satellites reboot, with a regular shutdown or with a crash?7 I don't think RECNXINTERVAL has anything to do with it.p( What is your configuration (votes etc.)?   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2000 11:28:41 -0400p4 From: "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com>= Subject: Re: Problem to reboot the bootserver of a VMSclustero+ Message-ID: <B586296B-22128@165.247.48.141>t  D On Mon, Jul 3, 2000 3:06 AM, Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote: >Hello,r >sH >since an upgrade to OpenVMS 7.1-2 AXP on the bootserver, I am unable toI >reboot the VMScluster bootserver. The first problem was after upgrade of I >PathWorks (It runs on the bootserver only). During reboot of bootserver,i the G >whole cluster reboots. That was not what I did want. TSC Munchen says:nG >it's not a bug, it's a feature, the normal cluster behavior. I did seeoH >that the RECNXINTERVAL was at 20 seconds and I thought that this is tooK >low. So I did change them to 600 seconds. But the problem did only change.tI >After reboot the bootserver hangs and I have to reboot the whole clustertD >manuell. I did not see this problem in earlier versions of OpenVMS.H >I was able to reboot the bootserver without rebooting the cluster. ThisF >was a usefull feature. Does anybody know, whats have changed? Is thisD >real a feature? I think this is a bug. Is there any solution, if th? >bootserver reboots in case of a crash, software upgrade or so?t    A I would check the VOTES and EXPECTED_VOTES first, though I don't e6 immediately see how these could cause your symptoms.    H When the satellites reboot, they should give you some messages that say " why.  Have you found any messages?   ---------------------------n Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com-   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2000 14:27:44 GMTZ2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman); Subject: Re: slightly off-topic/InfoServer function pricingr6 Message-ID: <8jq7t0$bdu$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  p In article <009EC5FE.BD5C0B61@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:G :What is the cost for adding InfoServer Tape function to an InfoServer?S  M   Donno if InfoServer is still available as a (hardware or software) product.I  K   AFAIK, it's no longer available -- I've been looking to acquire a copy ofOK   the software (and the necessary clearance) for inclusion on the Freeware.t     Check with the folks at CSC.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 15:29:59 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)f; Subject: Re: slightly off-topic/InfoServer function pricing'0 Message-ID: <009EC86A.7C66F83D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  k In article <8jq7t0$bdu$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:= > q >In article <009EC5FE.BD5C0B61@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:@H >:What is the cost for adding InfoServer Tape function to an InfoServer? >DN >  Donno if InfoServer is still available as a (hardware or software) product.  F I do believe the software is still available, at least, the InfoServerG software itself.  I'm looking to move a TAPE function from one InfoSer-t. ver to another more aptly suited for the task.  H I do recall asking about the SCRIBE (CD recorder) function some time agoI and, IIRC, the price was in excess of the price of a CD burner by severale times.  L >  AFAIK, it's no longer available -- I've been looking to acquire a copy ofL >  the software (and the necessary clearance) for inclusion on the Freeware. >  >  Check with the folks at CSC.v  E I'd like that!  I'm no so much after the IS software.  I simeply wanteD a TAPE function to move it from one IS to another.  Shame there's no- way to BACKUP FLASH: DKn:  (or is there?????)=   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe  H        http://www.OpenVMS.digital.com:8000/72final/9996/9996pro_063.htmlH        http://www.OpenVMS.digital.com:8000/72final/9996/9996pro_072.html   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2000 17:33:00 GMTd2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman); Subject: Re: slightly off-topic/InfoServer function pricing-6 Message-ID: <8jqioc$csi$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  p In article <009EC86A.7C66F83D@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:l :In article <8jq7t0$bdu$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: :>r :>In article <009EC5FE.BD5C0B61@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:I :>:What is the cost for adding InfoServer Tape function to an InfoServer?a :>O :>  Donno if InfoServer is still available as a (hardware or software) product.n :tG :I do believe the software is still available, at least, the InfoServerlH :software itself.  I'm looking to move a TAPE function from one InfoSer-/ :ver to another more aptly suited for the task.I  .   AFAIK, all support ended a year or two back.  I :I do recall asking about the SCRIBE (CD recorder) function some time ago J :and, IIRC, the price was in excess of the price of a CD burner by several :times.i  D   Ayup, the InfoServer Scribe stuff dates back to the days of really   expensive CD-R drives.  C   Snag: InfoServer tape has only a few supported CD-R widgets, and vB   I'd seriously doubt any of these are still available.  Mayhap as+   used equipment, but certainly not as new.y  M :>  AFAIK, it's no longer available -- I've been looking to acquire a copy of.M :>  the software (and the necessary clearance) for inclusion on the Freeware.- :>  :>  Check with the folks at CSC. :mF :I'd like that!  I'm no so much after the IS software.  I simeply wantE :a TAPE function to move it from one IS to another.  Shame there's non. :way to BACKUP FLASH: DKn:  (or is there?????)     Donno.  Sorry.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 03 Jul 2000 12:22:13 -0500- From: Graham Allan <allan@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu>n Subject: Re: Sub-DS10 Alpha 0 Message-ID: <w53wvj3p1ru.fsf@lanark.spa.umn.edu>  4 mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:  M > Me, me!  I've got 9 keyboards + mice that came with the Beowulf DS10s. AlsoeM > 9 copes of "Digital Serverworks Manager" (whatever the heck that is, in anynK > case, Linux isn't listed on the box as being supported).   Plus there areON > was also both a workstation and a server version of the manual for the box, M > and a CD with each, - which is the logical if nutty consequence of slapping7L > two names on the same hardware and pretending there's a difference between > them!  > J > A pile of postcards saying things like "send me in for your free manual"K > would have been adequate.  As for the keyboards and mice, they could havefM > kept them.   I'd rather have had the $20 (or whatever) per box instead of aa > pile of unused hardware. a  F Remember the good old days when Digital would pack an extra power cord in with each keyboard?   G. -- oI -------------------------------------------------------------------------c: Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - gta@umn.edu - (612) 624-50409 School of Physics and Astronomy - University of Minnesota I -------------------------------------------------------------------------a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 15:12:48 +0100i- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>e/ Subject: Re: Sub-DS10 Alpha (was: VAX on Intel) ) Message-ID: <39609F60.184E59E0@bbc.co.uk>a   Bill Todd wrote:  K >  The bad news was the cost of the DS10L itself:  my impression (which, asiF > with the VMS pricing, came from others having presumably more directN > acquaintance with the matter) was that the DS10 hardware could be bought for > about $3500. >y  ; Nah, the L in DS10L is not for Low cost. Low profile maybe.      --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those off MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 13:30:54 GMT  From: tony_barratt@my-deja.com% Subject: VMS can tail -f ? if so how?o) Message-ID: <8jq4if$gcu$1@nnrp1.deja.com>c   Hi Guys,D I have a task set me, to push the text appended to a log file down a5 socket for processing (by a fault management system).nB To explain further, in unix, with which I am familiar, we set up aD service, associated with a udp port number, in /etc/services, which,D when we do a 'telnet machine portnumber' invokes a shell script thatE invokes a 'tail -f /path/logfilename' which allows the logfile apendsy: to appear on the remote machine (that invoked the telnet).D I gather that VMS's Digital TCP/IP has +/- the same functionality as for example Solaris's TCP/IP.eD Can some kind person therefore advise on a way to <unix-speak>tail a file </unix-speak> with VMS?   TIAr   Tony    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 13:46:49 GMTe( From: Jay Olson <jjo@triton.com.no.spam>) Subject: Re: VMS can tail -f ? if so how?32 Message-ID: <396097C2.7D8D285D@triton.com.no.spam>   $ type/tail/continuous filem   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 09:23:29 -0500o7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>l) Subject: Re: VMS can tail -f ? if so how?o- Message-ID: <3960A1E1.228D73AF@earthlink.net>d   tony_barratt@my-deja.com wrote:t > 
 > Hi Guys,F > I have a task set me, to push the text appended to a log file down a7 > socket for processing (by a fault management system).aD > To explain further, in unix, with which I am familiar, we set up aF > service, associated with a udp port number, in /etc/services, which,F > when we do a 'telnet machine portnumber' invokes a shell script thatG > invokes a 'tail -f /path/logfilename' which allows the logfile apendse< > to appear on the remote machine (that invoked the telnet).F > I gather that VMS's Digital TCP/IP has +/- the same functionality as > for example Solaris's TCP/IP.eF > Can some kind person therefore advise on a way to <unix-speak>tail a > file </unix-speak> with VMS?  B I find myself wondering if there isn't a better way to do the sameB thing. What is that you're trying to monitor? ...and what needs to receive the monitored output?r  E Doing UN*X-ly things on VMS is the "politically correct" thing to do, A but tends to be costly to develop and maintain, and tends to lackr reliability.  H Doing VMS things the VMS way, by contrast, tends to be more stable, moreF reliable, and less costly in the long run (less development time, less
 maintenance).    -- t David J. Dachterau dba DJE Systemsl http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 16:28:03 +0100a- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>n) Subject: Re: VMS can tail -f ? if so how? ) Message-ID: <3960B103.D13547B8@bbc.co.uk>    "David J. Dachtera" wrote:  H >  Doing UN*X-ly things on VMS is the "politically correct" thing to do,C > but tends to be costly to develop and maintain, and tends to lackn > reliability. >sJ > Doing VMS things the VMS way, by contrast, tends to be more stable, moreH > reliable, and less costly in the long run (less development time, less > maintenance).- >-  L Ah, another VMS "bigot" (in BT's words). At least I don't feel  so alone now :-)M     --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk:  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofo MedAS or the BBC.<   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 16:47:22 GMT  From: tony_barratt@my-deja.com) Subject: Re: VMS can tail -f ? if so how?I) Message-ID: <8jqg2k$pas$1@nnrp1.deja.com>l   Ah yes well take your point.F Basically I want to monitor a couple of pairs of VMS machines plus the application sitting on top.tG We monitor quite a few different platforms already, but the approach isAD the same. Persuade system to append alerts/error msgs to a log file,G and squirt added lines down a socket to the fault management system fors parsing.G I have in mind, after interogating some VMS savvy peeps, using DECeventeG which is, so I believe, the interface between the system user and VMS'se event logging system.gA It is invoked with the DIAGNOSE command and if specified with the-F /CONTINUOUS  parameter , events are reported as they are logged by theC system so in other words, events are viewed in real time. A furtheraC parameter is /OUTPUT  in which I can specify an output file for theu events to be written to.  
 OK so far?F So I reckon a type/tail/continuous will push the data over ethernet to my waiting info hungry host?  H This does seem a bit unix-like. Is there a more VMS-like way to do this?  # BTW Thanks for the rapido response.e   Tony  - In article <3960A1E1.228D73AF@earthlink.net>,v:   "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:! > tony_barratt@my-deja.com wrote:o > >  > > Hi Guys,H > > I have a task set me, to push the text appended to a log file down a9 > > socket for processing (by a fault management system). F > > To explain further, in unix, with which I am familiar, we set up aH > > service, associated with a udp port number, in /etc/services, which,H > > when we do a 'telnet machine portnumber' invokes a shell script thatB > > invokes a 'tail -f /path/logfilename' which allows the logfile apends> > > to appear on the remote machine (that invoked the telnet).H > > I gather that VMS's Digital TCP/IP has +/- the same functionality as! > > for example Solaris's TCP/IP.tH > > Can some kind person therefore advise on a way to <unix-speak>tail a  > > file </unix-speak> with VMS? >oD > I find myself wondering if there isn't a better way to do the sameD > thing. What is that you're trying to monitor? ...and what needs to > receive the monitored output?h > G > Doing UN*X-ly things on VMS is the "politically correct" thing to do,hC > but tends to be costly to develop and maintain, and tends to lack  > reliability. > E > Doing VMS things the VMS way, by contrast, tends to be more stable,  moreH > reliable, and less costly in the long run (less development time, less > maintenance).: >+ > -- > David J. DachteraF > dba DJE Systemsu > http://www.djesys.com/ >t< > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/" >i    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.2   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 10:20:33 -0500n* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>/ Subject: Re: What happened to www.montagar.com? - Message-ID: <0033000000195561000002L012*@MHS>h   =0Ae      H I tried to access www.montagar.com/hobbyist but I received unknown doma= in> name.  I checked whois and its domain is ok.  What happened to www.montagar.com?m  	 ---###---h  1   Tim- for your edification, and everyone else's-s     Unexpected Outagea  .   Jun 29, 2000 22:00 through Jul 1, 2000 00:30  5   We experienced an unexpected outage throughout thise7   period. We are still working on getting full serviceso   and functionality restored.d  9   On Jun 29, 2000 at about 10:00pm, our service provider,a:   Unicomp Technologies, without warning or notice shutdown;   their business. All their customers, including co-located ;   servers, lost connectivity. Many customers could not evenu7   retrieve their servers from the facility until 3:00pm 	   Jun 30.r  >   We had hoped to be up earlier, but due to a misconfiguration8   and extreme delays in Verio.net tracking down critical>   technical support, we could not restore service for 24 hours   from our desired target.  ;   We hope to restore normal operations as soon as possible,r9   however, due to name server caching (DNS), there may be 9   intermittent issues and problems for the next couple of-8   weeks. Additionally, there may be more potential short9   outages and servers and communications are moved and/or>   improved.:  1   Thank your for your patience and understanding.e   David L. Cathey- Montagar Software Concepts   WWWebb  	 ---###---A  	 Thank youg   -- Tim Stark   --H Timothy Stark     <><     Inet: sword7@speakeasy.org, sword7@firesword7= .netH -----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---uE "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, thatoH whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life=   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.369 ************************