1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 04 Jul 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 370       Contents:& Re: Compaq paying for software ports ?& Re: Compaq paying for software ports ?& Re: Compaq paying for software ports ?& Re: Compaq paying for software ports ? Re: DCL vs. "real" programming$ deallocating other process's devices( Re: deallocating other process's devices. Does anyone do distributed/remote development?( Re: Enabling Proxies in the Secureserver LAVC Cluster Re: LAVC Cluster Re: LAVC Cluster Re: LAVC Cluster1 Re: Mini symposium in =?iso-8859-1?Q?Montr=E9al?= ( Re: OpenVMS Alpha C programming question( Re: OpenVMS Alpha C programming question. Re: OpenVMS clusters vs other systems clusters Re: POSIX - couldn't start Re: POSIX - couldn't start Re: POSIX - couldn't start question about "SET RMS"> RE RE REPOSTED How to install memory on alphastation 200 4/233B Re: RE RE REPOSTED How to install memory on alphastation 200 4/233' RMS tuning breaking programs, any ideas + Re: RMS tuning breaking programs, any ideas + Re: RMS tuning breaking programs, any ideas  Very Large RMS Files  Re: VMS can tail -f ? if so how?  RE: VMS can tail -f ? if so how?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 18:15:12 -0400 ) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net / Subject: Re: Compaq paying for software ports ? 9 Message-ID: <3961109f$1$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>   1 In <8j7s39$p9a@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, on 07/03/00  B    at 06:15 PM, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) said:  4 >What the !!!! are you talking about?  NT .nes. UNIX  I Most flavors of Unix I see today are just as stable and robust as NT when D it comes to production standards.  Neither are ready for prime time.   Roland   --  ; ----------------------------------------------------------- D yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.528                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 19:07:06 -0400 ) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net / Subject: Re: Compaq paying for software ports ? 9 Message-ID: <39611ca5$5$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>   1 In <8jg4g2$q40@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, on 07/03/00  B    at 07:07 PM, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) said:   > most notably , >Oracle's products.   " This would be a good thing why????     Roland   --  ; ----------------------------------------------------------- D yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.528                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 18:52:51 -0400 ) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net / Subject: Re: Compaq paying for software ports ? 9 Message-ID: <39611b66$4$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>   / In <3958CE77.1323D752@uk.sun.com>, on 07/03/00  1    at 06:52 PM, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy   <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> said:  + >yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote:   3 >> In <3951775D.E8BDE9E8@videotron.ca>, on 06/25/00 @ >>    at 11:20 AM, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> said: >>K >> >To be the devil's advocate, what if the VMS engineers were busy working I >> >on full unix compliance of VMS which would make all ports much easier  >> >from unix source code ?  >>M >> Which would make VMS as febil an OS for production use as UNIX is and thus M >> Bill Gates would finally have one and all OS's on the market would suck as L >> bad as NT, therefore everyone could just run the sucky NT OS.  Talk aboutL >> heading in the  WRONG direction.  Let me guess, a Compaq MBA came up with. >> this idea....could it have been Palmer????? >>  ! >Arrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh.   J >Where are you going to get the apps from if you don't get them from UNIX.J >What would you prefer applications that require a Win32 library hosted on >OpenVMS to run ?????   I Gee, here's a thought.  Most of them are already written, they just don't E get bought much.  Here is another thought, develop them, that is what # software companies do when it pays.   J >They don't grow on trees and people don't just go off an knock off say an8 >Office suite in Fortran or Pascal at the drop of a hat.  C Why would we need yet another one of those on VMS?  There have been ! several in existence for decades.   D >Hint, hint, hint, most of the commercial apps that currently run onJ >OpenVMS are developed on UNIX and key bits of OpenVMS were also developed	 >on UNIX.   @ One, it appears we have significantly different opinions on what@ "commercial apps" are and the definition of "most".  Most of theG applications currently running on VMS were either developed in house or G bought third party from VAR's many years ago (and some today).  Most of E them were written in BASIC, COBOL, PowerHouse, and to a lessor extent 0 Pascal.  (OK, ManMan was Fortran at some point.)  F As to your "historical" statement regarding VMS getting key componentsG from Unix you really need to review the history and migration path from  RSX - RSTS/E to VMS.  F >If you have an IP stack on OpenVMS it probably came from one or otherE >flavour of UNIX, are you suggesting that people should not use IP on I >OpenVMS because the IP stack will pollute the purity of the OpenVMS code  >base.  H >If your sentiments are shared by even a small percentage of the OpenVMSJ >advocates out there then sorry but OpenVMS is doomed. Nothing does for anH >OS quicker than the impression held by senior IT managers that the onlyH >people who know anything about it are unsocialised weirdos with extremeC >opinions that could get them sectioned if they arn't carefull. :-)   H It would appear that those following Unix study architectural history noI better than Unix works in real world environments.  Guess Unix was doomed  when it left the college.. :-)   Roland       --  ; ----------------------------------------------------------- D yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.528                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:56:42 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> / Subject: Re: Compaq paying for software ports ? - Message-ID: <3961607A.574889D1@earthlink.net>   * yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote: [snip]L > >They don't grow on trees and people don't just go off an knock off say an: > >Office suite in Fortran or Pascal at the drop of a hat. > E > Why would we need yet another one of those on VMS?  There have been # > several in existence for decades.   > Really? Would you care to elucidate? By chance have you a URL?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2000 20:19 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) ' Subject: Re: DCL vs. "real" programming , Message-ID: <3JUL200020190792@gerg.tamu.edu>   helbig@astro.rug.nl writes... H }For example, when writing an application which processes a lot of MAIL C }files, would one achieve much better performance by writing it in  C }Fortran or whatever and using the callable MAIL interface than by   }writing .COM files etc in DCL?   K Better, almost certainly. "Much better" probably depends on your definition 0 of "much" and the details of what you are doing.  K If nothing else, the non-DCL version will probably only have a single image F activation. The DCL version may have a lot of image activations. Also,F DCL is an interpreted language so you hit the overhead of interpretingL every command every time it is run instead of just once during the compiling
 operation.   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2000 18:57:03 GMT # From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu - Subject: deallocating other process's devices + Message-ID: <8jqnlv$qls$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>    Hello,; 	a user has a device allocated, but the decterm in which he = did this has disappeared... I am leary of simply deleting the C process, I am afraid the device will go into la-la land and require  a reboot.  Advice?  / Thanks for your time and any help you can give.  Robert   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2000 19:20:44 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)1 Subject: Re: deallocating other process's devices 6 Message-ID: <8jqp2c$dpk$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Q In article <8jqnlv$qls$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>, system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu writes: < :	a user has a device allocated, but the decterm in which he> :did this has disappeared... I am leary of simply deleting theD :process, I am afraid the device will go into la-la land and require :a reboot.  Advice?   G   The device is already in la-la land, it's just not yet demonstrating  *   the signs of its (impending) vacation...  H   Technically the easiest -- and brute-force -- fix is to either ignore G   it and leave the device allocated (you haven't told us what device),  E   or to reboot the system.  If you cannot reboot (and there are valid E   cases where this is difficult or impossible), then you are left to  ,   unwedge the device via a kernel-mode tool.  F   Depending on the OpenVMS platform (and you haven't told us about theI   platform, nor version), there may be a force-deallocate tool available  F   from the ECO website -- there was an ECO kit containing such a tool #   for certain OpenVMS VAX releases.   G   On OpenVMS Alpha, this condition is rather more rarely seen, and I am D   not aware of a generally-available Compaq-provided tool for Alpha.  F   Depending on your level of interest, you could patch the kernel dataG   structures using XDELTA, and clear the allocated flag and the owning  8   PID directly.  (Of course if you miss, you can crash.)  F   The usual cure is (as mentioned) a reboot, and the acquisition of a G   fix or an OpenVMS upgrade to cure the particular problem of a device  &   that is allocated to a lost process.  B   One of two ways I've seen processes get into this state -- whereG   the device is owned by a non-existant process -- is via the (mis)use  E   of the SHARE privilege.   The other is via known -- and long since  *   fixed -- bugs in older OpenVMS releases.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 01:54:32 GMT 3 From: rbanks@arel.com.au.nospamming (Richard Banks) 7 Subject: Does anyone do distributed/remote development? 1 Message-ID: <396143d7.69699271@news.magna.com.au>   @ I have developers in multiple offices and countries working on aC software product.  The master copy is stored at our head office and C the remote developers have snapshots of the source code, forms, FDL ? definitions, etc.  Periodically they update our master copy and E refresh their own with any other changes.  Obviously this can lead to E versioning problems and overwriting changes made by other developers.   D Now in the unix/linux world I would be getting the developers to useC CVS as the source code control tool and the remote developers would + simply log on and check in/out source code.   D What I am looking for is a a solution for VMS (where VMS systems areF both the source code repository and the clients) that has been used in
 real life.  = Does anyone know of one - preferrably on the cheap (ie free)? ( Is anyone porting the CVS server to VMS?  ; Any help or pointers in the right direction will be greatly  appreciated.  	 - Richard   ! [rbanks@arel.remove_this_bit.com]    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 18:28:15 GMT . From: Michael Austin <maustin@nc.prestige.net>1 Subject: Re: Enabling Proxies in the Secureserver / Message-ID: <3960E66E.F8642F68@nc.prestige.net>   , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------33327B5789382567D9C1A58D* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   . Ever had problems with NCP SET KNOWN PROX ALL?  1 AXP1>APACHE>[SYSEXE]$ mc ncp set know proxies all ; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual  address=000000000000& 0004, PC=0000000000069D24, PS=0000001B  2   Improperly handled condition, image exit forced.1     Signal arguments:   Number = 0000000000000005 1                         Name   = 000000000000000C 1                                  0000000000010000 1                                  0000000000000004 1                                  0000000000069D24 1                                  000000000000001B        Register dump:J     R0  = FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF  R1  = 0000000000000800  R2  = 0000000000007A50  J     R3  = 000000007AF718B0  R4  = 0000000000000005  R5  = 0000000000044918  J     R6  = 0000000000032491  R7  = 0000000000000001  R8  = 000000007AF718B0  J     R9  = 0000000000046F58  R10 = FFFFFFFFFFFD353F  R11 = 000000007FFCE3E0  J     R12 = 0000000000000000  R13 = 000000007B0701E0  R14 = 0000000000000000  J     R15 = 00000000009EC860  R16 = 0000000000000000  R17 = 0000000000000000  J     R18 = 0000000000000000  R19 = 0000000000000000  R20 = 000000007AF718A0  J     R21 = 0000000000000010  R22 = 000000007AF718A2  R23 = 00000000001C20D0  J     R24 = 00000000001C20F8  R25 = 0000000000000004  R26 = 00000000000703A0  J     R27 = 0000000000007A50  R28 = 0000000000000001  R29 = 000000007AF71760  J     SP  = 000000007AF71730  PC  = 0000000000069D24  PS  = 300000000000001B      " "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" wrote:  + > On Mon, 3 Jul 2000, Michael Austin wrote:  > 5 > +how does one turn on proxies in the secure server?  > + # > +uaf add/prox *::xxx  xxx/default : > +%UAF-E-NAFADDERR, error adding proxy from *::XXX to XXXF > +-SECSRV-E-PROXYNOTACTIVE, proxy processing is not currently active;  > +please try your request later > + > 1. Have you created the proxy database ?? ' >  Check in authorize HELP CREATE/PROXY & > 2. Check if the secure server works.: >  If not - start/restart it; check DCL HELP of SET SERVER= >  If you have DECNET PHASE V then, have seen, some time only 9 >  restart of whole system resolves a problem with proxy.  > 
 > +VMS 7.1 >  >  Patches applied ?8 > (if not, then nothing wrong checking the MANDATORY one >  - at least !).  > 
 > +Thanks, >  >  Regards - Gotfryd >  > --G > ===================================================================== H > $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") -' >                 THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME 0 > $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plG > =====================================================================   & --------------33327B5789382567D9C1A58D- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;   name="maustin.vcf"  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit , Content-Description: Card for Michael Austin  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="maustin.vcf"    begin:vcard  n:Austin;Michael   tel;work:704-947-1089  x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Michael Austin, Inc 
 adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 + email;internet:michaelaustininc@hotmail.com  title:President  x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Michael E. Austin	 end:vcard   ( --------------33327B5789382567D9C1A58D--   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 00:32:46 GMT + From: "Barry Streets" <berrys2552@home.com>  Subject: LAVC Cluster = Message-ID: <Oga85.25673$i5.254000@news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com>   L I have cluster made up of 5 4000/90 ws's, where one is the boot node and theF others are satellites. I'm looking to reduce disk i/o traffic over theG ethernet, and to improve performance. (all the nodes have disks mounted L cluster wide to share information, and one node is used for serving a backup tape drives)  H If I add the Turbo-channel FDDI Interfaces, will the cluster traffic run  over it instead of the ethernet?   The systems are running VMS 7.1   
 Barry Streets  Echo Management Group    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 20:49:08 -0400 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: LAVC Cluster > Message-ID: <hshubs-F29A47.20490803072000@news.mindspring.com>  E In article <Oga85.25673$i5.254000@news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com>, "Barry o% Streets" <berrys2552@home.com> wrote:d  I >If I add the Turbo-channel FDDI Interfaces, will the cluster traffic runr! >over it instead of the ethernet?o  G IFF you can add that interface, you can then configure cluster traffic   to run over it, yes.   -- m Howard S Shubs, the Denim Adepta   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:20:54 -0500* From: "Mark E. Levy" <levy@sysman-inc.com> Subject: Re: LAVC ClusterI/ Message-ID: <sm2i9dn3op3161@corp.supernews.com>e  I I can say without any doubt that you can add a FDDI adapter to a 4000/90.tK You will, however, have to use the example program, LAVC$STOP_BUS, found inyL SYS$EXAMPLES, to turn off SCS on the Ethernet to ensure that all SCS trafficF goes over the FDDI. For some reason, VMS didn't figure this out on the systems I was responsible for.  I Also, if you're planning on bridging the Ethernet & FDDI, remember not to-H configure both interfaces under DECnet. Another thing to keep in mind isK that the FDDI can't be used for the MOP boot, so you can't entirely abandon 
 the Ethernet.m   --E ---------------------------------------------------------------------. Mark E. Levy, Presidents" System Management Associates, Inc.! 888-291-5055 x202 (Illinois Only)x$ 847-291-1550 x202 (Outside Illinois) 847-291-3866 fax www.sysman-inc.com levy@sysman-inc.com E ---------------------------------------------------------------------e9 "Howard S Shubs" <hshubs@mindspring.com> wrote in messager8 news:hshubs-F29A47.20490803072000@news.mindspring.com...F > In article <Oga85.25673$i5.254000@news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com>, "Barry' > Streets" <berrys2552@home.com> wrote:  > K > >If I add the Turbo-channel FDDI Interfaces, will the cluster traffic run # > >over it instead of the ethernet?- >-H > IFF you can add that interface, you can then configure cluster traffic > to run over it, yes. >0 > --! > Howard S Shubs, the Denim Adepts   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 23:49:31 -0400g, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: LAVC Clusterp> Message-ID: <hshubs-F7DAFD.23493103072000@news.mindspring.com>  ? In article <sm2i9dn3op3161@corp.supernews.com>, "Mark E. Levy"   <levy@sysman-inc.com> wrote:  J >I can say without any doubt that you can add a FDDI adapter to a 4000/90.J >You will, however, have to use the example program, LAVC$STOP_BUS, found  >ineF >SYS$EXAMPLES, to turn off SCS on the Ethernet to ensure that all SCS  >trafficG >goes over the FDDI. For some reason, VMS didn't figure this out on the- >systems I was responsible for.   8 You needed to do this after fixing the system parameter?   -- 0 Howard S Shubs, the Denim Adept_   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 20:33:13 GMT-M From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9?= Bastien <bastien.andre.p@hydro-no-spam-.qc.ca>s: Subject: Re: Mini symposium in =?iso-8859-1?Q?Montr=E9al?=4 Message-ID: <3960F89C.B9D3A3B7@hydro-no-spam-.qc.ca>  N We, at Hydro-Quebec, are using VMS on real-time 99.97% "non-stop" servers  for! controlling our electric network.,  5 That is around 30 servers (AS 1000A, AS2000, AS ES40)o  U We also have many stations (200 4/100 and DS10) and servers (DS10, DS20) for softwarec development, etc  > Unfortunately, I think nobody of us attended at that meeting !   ...   X There are also other VMS shops, (Concordia University I think), a foundry in Napierville near Montreal, etc     JF Mezei a crit :   >e2 > "Are there any VMS customers left in Montreal" ? >dN > I don't know what sort of marketing VMS intends to make, but if they will beK > depending on local sales offices, then they have lots of evengelical worke > ahead of them.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 18:16:56 -0400 ) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.netl1 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha C programming questiona9 Message-ID: <39611121$2$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>h  6 In <39578C0B.1F1A9012@hydrogen.ucsc.edu>, on 07/03/00 :    at 06:16 PM, Matt Evans <evans@hydrogen.ucsc.edu> said:  I I haven't tried this myself, but declare a long long unsigned constant ofnJ 63.  Use that to shift.  The compiler may be taking "cheapest alternative"D when creating your constant storage thus only shifting the "cheapest alternative" size.   Roland  F >I have just begun experimentation with 64-bit unsigned long long dataJ >types.  I am normally a UNIX programmer and I am somewhat unfamiliar withE >the the OpenVMS environment (specifically, 64-bit C programming). MyvI >question (and statement) is that I can't seem to get the shift operatorseK >to work, i.e. 1<<63 does not give a correct result, it simply gives zero. eF >The shift operator only seems to work with shifts less than 32 bits. I >However, I can create a bitmask (example 0x8000000000000000 which is thesI >hexadecimal equivalent of the 64th bit) and use it successfully.  I just)G >can't seem to get the shift operators to work corectly with the 64 bits$ >unsigned long longs.  Please help!?   >-Matt   -- i; -----------------------------------------------------------PD yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.528                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 18:20:05 -0400 ) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net 1 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha C programming questione9 Message-ID: <39611206$3$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>s  6 In <39579F15.C0BA976A@hydrogen.ucsc.edu>, on 07/03/00 :    at 06:20 PM, Matt Evans <evans@hydrogen.ucsc.edu> said:  G >it works like you have described.  However, if I replace "junk <<= 63"xD >with "junk = 1 << 63", it does not work properly where I thought itE >should be the equivalent.  Is this the wrong thing to do (or is my C- >ignorance shining through)?  H the Ansi standard does NOT guarrantee order of operations for your aboveJ example, but junk = (1 << 63) should have gotten you what you wanted.  AreG you compiling with or without optimization?  Can make a difference with- such problems.   Roland   -- -; -----------------------------------------------------------0D yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.528                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2000 16:30:57 -0500r2 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters vs other systems clusters + Message-ID: <Aw1bQBbZYieP@eisner.decus.org>l  , In article <w4eb29YQG8Q8@eisner.decus.org>, ; Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:p- > In article <3960BF51.FCF33F3E@uk.sun.com>, nD  Andrew Harrison SUNUK Conspiracy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: >> -D >> So include it in the core OS for 7.2 and provide it unbundled for: >> the people who cannot upgrade the whole OS but who need >> a newer IP stack. > D > I am not sure how what you describe differs from what exists todayC > (at least for Alpha).  When you try to install VMS you are forcedfB > to answer a series of about 5 questions, one of which is whetherA > you want the Compaq TCP/IP product as part of the installation.  > A > A different technique is used for installing it after-the-fact.e  M IIRC: The Digital TCP/IP (UCX) license being bundled with new VAX systems and N upgrades started with the middle 5.x versions of VAX/VMS.  About the time thatN the VAX 4000-200 processor came out.  I do not know if it was bundled with all packages though.  K And the 3.x and earlier of UCX the license permitted X11 access over TCP/IPiN with out a license key.  I am not sure how much of that was done because whileL REXEC and RSH will function with out a license key, the UCX$CONFIG procedureL will not run to configure them with out a license key loaded.  So some otherH access over the network was needed to actually start the client program.   -Johnd wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 17:56:57 GMT  From: vperic@my-deja.com# Subject: Re: POSIX - couldn't starte) Message-ID: <8jqk50$sgv$1@nnrp1.deja.com>u  + In article <c+9FmWrPyjye@eisner.decus.org>,-<   Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:H > In article <8jq8ao$j9v$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, vladaperic@yahoo.com writes: > > Hi,e > >cE > > I'm not experience with VMS so sorry for possible dummy question. B > > When I tried to start POSIX utility, I got the following error message:
 > >> POSIXG > > %POSIX-F-CTXNOTINI, POSIX system initialization not completed - seei > > system manager > >f; > > What should be done to enable POSIX utility on OpenVMS?o) > > My OS is OpenVMS Alpha, version V6.2.d >eE > If Posix were consistent with other layered products there would beaC > a file called SYS$STARTUP:POSIX$STARTUP.COM that should have beenhD > invoked when your system started.  Hence the line about seeing the> > system manager (who takes care of such things).  There is no
 indication< > in your post regarding whether you are the system manager. >   % I run POSIX command as ordinary user.hC File SYS$STARTUP:POSIX$STARTUP.COM exists. Is it possible to invoke > POSIX$STARTUP command when the system is already started? What- privileges user needs to start posix utility?a Thanks.a    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2000 18:30:46 GMTs2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)# Subject: Re: POSIX - couldn't startw6 Message-ID: <8jqm4m$da6$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  D In article <8jqk50$sgv$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, vperic@my-deja.com writes:& :I run POSIX command as ordinary user.  ,   That's fine, and entirely as it should be.  D :File SYS$STARTUP:POSIX$STARTUP.COM exists. Is it possible to invoke? :POSIX$STARTUP command when the system is already started? What . :privileges user needs to start posix utility?  H   Donno off-hand, but the SYSTEM username has enough privileges for this1   task -- and the typical "mortal user" does not.h  J   Please contact your system manager for further assistance, and ask that I   the POSIX$STARTUP.COM be added to the system startup.  If a call to thebE   procedure is already present in the system startup, then some basiceG   debugging -- to figure out what happened and why it did not start up pH   this time -- will be needed.  Your system manager will probably start F   this investigation by checking the console when your system is next F   rebooted, looking for any relevent error messages that might appear.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2000 16:40:31 -0500a2 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)# Subject: Re: POSIX - couldn't start + Message-ID: <Z$S3xBEfQqAS@eisner.decus.org>a  D In article <8jqk50$sgv$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, vperic@my-deja.com writes:- > In article <c+9FmWrPyjye@eisner.decus.org>, > >   Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: >>F >> If Posix were consistent with other layered products there would beD >> a file called SYS$STARTUP:POSIX$STARTUP.COM that should have beenE >> invoked when your system started.  Hence the line about seeing ther? >> system manager (who takes care of such things).  There is noo > indication= >> in your post regarding whether you are the system manager.n >> > ' > I run POSIX command as ordinary user.iE > File SYS$STARTUP:POSIX$STARTUP.COM exists. Is it possible to invoker@ > POSIX$STARTUP command when the system is already started? What/ > privileges user needs to start posix utility?i	 > Thanks.n  = You will need basically system management privileges to startS the posix subsystem.  ? It also has some special system tuning requirements.  I had onesB 6.2 system that starting the POSIX subsystem up on would crash it,? inspite of having all of the system parameters set according to7 the documentation.  A As POSIX was not really needed for the system, I never persued itt= with the CSC. I have put the POSIX subsystem on several otherm# systems and never had this problem.0  G As an alternative, many of the POSIX tools are available on the WWW for  OpenVMS.  0 Is there something specific you are looking for?   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 18:25:40 GMT0/ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>0! Subject: question about "SET RMS" F Message-ID: <EU485.4516$xL3.371838@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  L Our applications were written years ago on MicroVAX IIs  with 8MBytes memory or less and0I under VMS 4.x.  The applications and the hardware have been upgraded many0 times and weK are about to upgrade again.  We will now be running on Apha 8400s with more 
 than 2 GBytes0 memory and VMS 7.2-1.F  : Our SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM   still carries with it the command:  '  "SET RMS/SYSTEM/EXT=512/BLOCK=64/BUF=20  H Apparently somebody thought this was a good thing at the time, but times haveI changed.  We now have RMS files that are larger than the disk drives backA then, = and we have more physical memory than we had disk space then.0  E Are there guidelines or suggestions on how to revisit and revise this  command.   Thanks in advance,   John   ------------------------------   Date: 04 Jul 2000 03:12:06 GMT! From: gigglegs@aol.com (Gigglegs)6G Subject: RE RE REPOSTED How to install memory on alphastation 200 4/233 : Message-ID: <20000703231206.01182.00000717@ng-ci1.aol.com>  N When you don't have the motherboard manual on which banks should get how many L MB of RAM to be able to run openVMS.  This is a continuation of the questionF where the machine I have can't boot to SRM console and it shows memoryK dump.....eb.ea.e9.e8.e7.e6.  The machine currently has 24MB RAM does anyoneCO have any manuals on the motherboard.  Any ideas on how the jumper configurationI on the motherboard should be??  N PS.  This message was not posted in capitals thanks to a friendly warning from Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 23:06:25 -0500i7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>YK Subject: Re: RE RE REPOSTED How to install memory on alphastation 200 4/233 - Message-ID: <396162C1.D432E595@earthlink.net>=   Gigglegs wrote:= > O > When you don't have the motherboard manual on which banks should get how many N > MB of RAM to be able to run openVMS.  This is a continuation of the questionH > where the machine I have can't boot to SRM console and it shows memoryM > dump.....eb.ea.e9.e8.e7.e6.  The machine currently has 24MB RAM does anyonerQ > have any manuals on the motherboard.  Any ideas on how the jumper configurationc  > on the motherboard should be??  ) You shouldn't need to change any jumpers.m  F Install the SIMMs in pairs. Bank 0 is the one closest to the PCI riserE card, Bank 1 is in the middle and Bank 2 is to the right of that. Add H 8MB (min.) to your current config. to resolve the SRM issue. 64 Mb total- is preferred and 128 MB would be even better.-  H I still have my AS200 4/233 on the bench here at home; so, I can confirm that, if you need to.0   --   David J. DachteraS dba DJE Systems5 http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/m   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2000 22:58:08 GMTs2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)0 Subject: RMS tuning breaking programs, any ideas+ Message-ID: <8jr5q0$c0@gap.cco.caltech.edu>   F Can anybody hazard a guess why raising BLOCK and BUFFER together wouldB cause a program to fail, but raising each alone caused no problem?  	 $ sho rmsrM           MULTI-  |                MULTIBUFFER COUNTS               | NETWORKrL           BLOCK   | Indexed  Relative            Sequential         |  BLOCKL           COUNT   |                     Disk   Magtape  Unit Record |  COUNTJ Process   127     |    0         0        0       0         0       |    0J System     16     |    0         0        0       0         0       |    8  0           Prolog    Extend Quantity      VCC_DFW- Process     0              0                0e- System      0              0                0e $!* $! the next "fetch" command works properly $! $ fetch pir1:a1hun $!! $! the next "fetch" command failst $! $ set rms/buffer=255 $ fetch pir1:a1hup $!* $! the next "fetch" command works properly $! $ set rms/block=0- $ fetch pir1:a1hu.  E It looks like setting block AND buffer up to their maximum is causing2D something in this program to fail, but setting either one alone thatF high has no effect.   "fetch" is part of the GCG package, and it goes C N levels deep in libraries, and is commercial.  I've also recently  C seen this same block+buffer=BOOM effect when sending mail using EDT > as the editor.  On trying to exit from EDT I was greeted with:    Output file could not be created4 File name:USRDISK:[USERS.MATHOG]MAIL_394E_SEND.TMP;1$ %RMS-F-DME, dynamic memory exhausted  C Which made no sense to me at all, since at the time there was a lote% of free dynamic memory in the system:t  L Dynamic Memory Usage (bytes):      Total        Free      In Use     LargestL   Nonpaged Dynamic Memory        2711552      625792     2085760      257536L   Paged Dynamic Memory           2932736     1199872     1732864     1194720@   Lock Manager Dynamic Memory    1384448      688128      696320  ' The process where this all happend has:-  9 Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:       100  Bytlm:        50000s9 Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           029 Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:       100  JTquota:       204849 Prclm:          10  DIOlm:       100  WSdef:          15059 Prio:            4  ASTlm:       102  WSquo:          256I9 Queprio:         0  TQElm:        40  WSextent:      2048e9 CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:      2600  Pgflquo:     100000    Thanks,n   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edue? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech -   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Jul 2000 20:44:24 -0500a9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)e4 Subject: Re: RMS tuning breaking programs, any ideas+ Message-ID: <hrqfMtIkbGaV@eisner.decus.org>r  ` In article <8jr5q0$c0@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:  " > Output file could not be created6 > File name:USRDISK:[USERS.MATHOG]MAIL_394E_SEND.TMP;1& > %RMS-F-DME, dynamic memory exhausted > E > Which made no sense to me at all, since at the time there was a lotg' > of free dynamic memory in the system:i > N > Dynamic Memory Usage (bytes):      Total        Free      In Use     LargestN >   Nonpaged Dynamic Memory        2711552      625792     2085760      257536N >   Paged Dynamic Memory           2932736     1199872     1732864     1194720B >   Lock Manager Dynamic Memory    1384448      688128      696320    That is _system_ dynamic memory.  5 After the failure you should have tried HELP/MESSAGE.3& Even now you can try HELP/MESSAGE DME.< When I just tried it now, the text explanation was all aboutH _process_ dynamic memory and nothing to do with _system_ dynamic memory.   HELP/MESSAGE is your friend.- If you find otherwise, file a trouble report.n: Since HELP/MESSAGE counts as documentation you can use the= electronic reporting address in the front of all the manuals.   ? Regarding the fact that you are getting this error, there is non@ indication as yet in this thread of any VMS problem, as it would; seem to be capable of solution by adjusting process quotas."   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 19:48:55 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>o4 Subject: Re: RMS tuning breaking programs, any ideas( Message-ID: <8jr8mi$a47$1@pyrite.mv.net>  I Since I know next-to-nothing about this subject, I hope you'll get a morefE informed answer.  But for what it may be worth, specifying 255 63.5KBgH buffers requires close to 16 MB of buffer space, allocated (IIRC) out ofL your process's P1 space.  If I'm correct in my extremely vague impression isL that this space is in fact pageable, that does not obviously explain why youF might be running short, but it does exceed all the values you list for available dynamic memory.n   - bill  = David Mathog <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote in messagev% news:8jr5q0$c0@gap.cco.caltech.edu...nH > Can anybody hazard a guess why raising BLOCK and BUFFER together wouldD > cause a program to fail, but raising each alone caused no problem? >e > $ sho rmspG >           MULTI-  |                MULTIBUFFER COUNTS               |  NETWORKeG >           BLOCK   | Indexed  Relative            Sequential         |e BLOCKlG >           COUNT   |                     Disk   Magtape  Unit Record |h COUNTsL > Process   127     |    0         0        0       0         0       |    0L > System     16     |    0         0        0       0         0       |    8 > 2 >           Prolog    Extend Quantity      VCC_DFW/ > Process     0              0                0n/ > System      0              0                0- > $!, > $! the next "fetch" command works properly > $! > $ fetch pir1:a1hu  > $!# > $! the next "fetch" command fails  > $! > $ set rms/buffer=255 > $ fetch pir1:a1hu  > $!, > $! the next "fetch" command works properly > $! > $ set rms/block=0- > $ fetch pir1:a1hu- >-G > It looks like setting block AND buffer up to their maximum is causing1F > something in this program to fail, but setting either one alone thatG > high has no effect.   "fetch" is part of the GCG package, and it goesrD > N levels deep in libraries, and is commercial.  I've also recentlyE > seen this same block+buffer=BOOM effect when sending mail using EDT:@ > as the editor.  On trying to exit from EDT I was greeted with: ><" > Output file could not be created6 > File name:USRDISK:[USERS.MATHOG]MAIL_394E_SEND.TMP;1& > %RMS-F-DME, dynamic memory exhausted > E > Which made no sense to me at all, since at the time there was a lotT' > of free dynamic memory in the system:a >eB > Dynamic Memory Usage (bytes):      Total        Free      In Use Largest B >   Nonpaged Dynamic Memory        2711552      625792     2085760 257536B >   Paged Dynamic Memory           2932736     1199872     1732864 1194720-B >   Lock Manager Dynamic Memory    1384448      688128      696320 >l) > The process where this all happend has:R >I; > Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:       100  Bytlm:        50000s; > Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0-; > Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:       100  JTquota:       2048 ; > Prclm:          10  DIOlm:       100  WSdef:          150h; > Prio:            4  ASTlm:       102  WSquo:          256s; > Queprio:         0  TQElm:        40  WSextent:      2048n; > CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:      2600  Pgflquo:     100000d >s	 > Thanks,  >r > David Mathog > mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduF@ > Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:41:22 GMTn From: msi_bruce@earthlink.nett Subject: Very Large RMS Filese) Message-ID: <8jr4qg$8qt$1@nnrp1.deja.com>.   Hi,   H Does anyone have any tips or suggestions for dealing with very large RMSH files.  We are working with RMS indexed files in the 2 - 4 gigabyte sizeH range.  These files are very difficult to tune or recover due to run theG  large amount of time it takes to run the ANALYZE and CONVERT utilitiesi
 against them.   G Are there any products or tools that would allow us to dynamically tunei3 the files without having to actually recreate them?d   Thanks,i   Bruce C.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 23:06:43 GMT. From: tony_barratt@my-deja.com) Subject: Re: VMS can tail -f ? if so how?P) Message-ID: <8jr69q$a08$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  G I was wondering is there a way to create an repetative event which willo appear in the alert log? I'd like to have a line like:t hostname count timestamp every 3 secs, say.E So I'll know if the network connectivity goes away, and silence is notE longer a guarantee of a healthy VMS system (because I have a watchdog-A on the remote host that notices when the repetative events stop).-E Is there a fine manual I could read that might explain how to do this$
 in DCL(?).G Or could some kind VMS person give a visitor from unix-land some sampler code :-)   TIA    Tony  ) In article <8jqg2k$pas$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,n!   tony_barratt@my-deja.com wrote:m > Ah yes well take your point.H > Basically I want to monitor a couple of pairs of VMS machines plus the > application sitting on top.,F > We monitor quite a few different platforms already, but the approach isF > the same. Persuade system to append alerts/error msgs to a log file,E > and squirt added lines down a socket to the fault management systemO forO
 > parsing.@ > I have in mind, after interogating some VMS savvy peeps, using DECeventC > which is, so I believe, the interface between the system user ands VMS'sa > event logging system.yC > It is invoked with the DIAGNOSE command and if specified with therH > /CONTINUOUS  parameter , events are reported as they are logged by theE > system so in other words, events are viewed in real time. A furthernE > parameter is /OUTPUT  in which I can specify an output file for thep > events to be written to. >U > OK so far?H > So I reckon a type/tail/continuous will push the data over ethernet to > my waiting info hungry host? >DD > This does seem a bit unix-like. Is there a more VMS-like way to do this?- > % > BTW Thanks for the rapido response.  >f > Tony >z/ > In article <3960A1E1.228D73AF@earthlink.net>,-< >   "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:# > > tony_barratt@my-deja.com wrote:1 > > >d > > > Hi Guys,C > > > I have a task set me, to push the text appended to a log filet down a; > > > socket for processing (by a fault management system).RH > > > To explain further, in unix, with which I am familiar, we set up aC > > > service, associated with a udp port number, in /etc/services,i which,E > > > when we do a 'telnet machine portnumber' invokes a shell scripto thatD > > > invokes a 'tail -f /path/logfilename' which allows the logfile > apends@ > > > to appear on the remote machine (that invoked the telnet).G > > > I gather that VMS's Digital TCP/IP has +/- the same functionality  as# > > > for example Solaris's TCP/IP. > > > > Can some kind person therefore advise on a way to <unix- speak>tail a" > > > file </unix-speak> with VMS? > >eF > > I find myself wondering if there isn't a better way to do the sameF > > thing. What is that you're trying to monitor? ...and what needs to! > > receive the monitored output?t > >aE > > Doing UN*X-ly things on VMS is the "politically correct" thing to- do,-E > > but tends to be costly to develop and maintain, and tends to lacka > > reliability. > >-G > > Doing VMS things the VMS way, by contrast, tends to be more stable,g > moreE > > reliable, and less costly in the long run (less development time,s less > > maintenance).n > >c > > -- > > David J. Dachteras > > dba DJE Systems  > > http://www.djesys.com/ > >a> > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:# > > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t > >> >>( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.o >     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 21:44:58 -0400n# From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com>c) Subject: RE: VMS can tail -f ? if so how?aD Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD74A@berry.mvpsi.com>  D Why don't you just use keepalives when you establish the connection?   > -----Original Message-----B > From: tony_barratt@my-deja.com [mailto:tony_barratt@my-deja.com]% > Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 7:07 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh+ > Subject: Re: VMS can tail -f ? if so how?g >  > ? > I was wondering is there a way to create an repetative event i > which will > appear in the alert log? > I'd like to have a line like:S > hostname count timestamp > every 3 secs, say.G > So I'll know if the network connectivity goes away, and silence is no G > longer a guarantee of a healthy VMS system (because I have a watchdogtC > on the remote host that notices when the repetative events stop). G > Is there a fine manual I could read that might explain how to do thise > in DCL(?).> > Or could some kind VMS person give a visitor from unix-land 
 > some sampleJ
 > code :-) >  > TIAk >  > Tony > + > In article <8jqg2k$pas$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,1# >   tony_barratt@my-deja.com wrote:l  > > Ah yes well take your point.9 > > Basically I want to monitor a couple of pairs of VMS 8 > machines plus thew > > application sitting on top.oH > > We monitor quite a few different platforms already, but the approach > isH > > the same. Persuade system to append alerts/error msgs to a log file,G > > and squirt added lines down a socket to the fault management system  > fori > > parsing.B > > I have in mind, after interogating some VMS savvy peeps, using
 > DECeventE > > which is, so I believe, the interface between the system user andt > VMS'sd > > event logging system.hE > > It is invoked with the DIAGNOSE command and if specified with thea= > > /CONTINUOUS  parameter , events are reported as they are p > logged by theaG > > system so in other words, events are viewed in real time. A furthertG > > parameter is /OUTPUT  in which I can specify an output file for the- > > events to be written to. > >  > > OK so far?? > > So I reckon a type/tail/continuous will push the data over S
 > ethernet toa  > > my waiting info hungry host? > >eF > > This does seem a bit unix-like. Is there a more VMS-like way to do > this?h > >h' > > BTW Thanks for the rapido response.h > >n > > Tony > >o1 > > In article <3960A1E1.228D73AF@earthlink.net>, > > >   "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:% > > > tony_barratt@my-deja.com wrote:. > > > >  > > > > Hi Guys,E > > > > I have a task set me, to push the text appended to a log filen > down a= > > > > socket for processing (by a fault management system). ? > > > > To explain further, in unix, with which I am familiar, l
 > we set up a E > > > > service, associated with a udp port number, in /etc/services,, > which,G > > > > when we do a 'telnet machine portnumber' invokes a shell scriptt > thatF > > > > invokes a 'tail -f /path/logfilename' which allows the logfile
 > > apendsB > > > > to appear on the remote machine (that invoked the telnet).< > > > > I gather that VMS's Digital TCP/IP has +/- the same  > functionalityB > as% > > > > for example Solaris's TCP/IP. @ > > > > Can some kind person therefore advise on a way to <unix- > speak>tail a$ > > > > file </unix-speak> with VMS? > > >eH > > > I find myself wondering if there isn't a better way to do the sameH > > > thing. What is that you're trying to monitor? ...and what needs to# > > > receive the monitored output?d > > >dG > > > Doing UN*X-ly things on VMS is the "politically correct" thing to  > do, G > > > but tends to be costly to develop and maintain, and tends to lackt > > > reliability. > > >t= > > > Doing VMS things the VMS way, by contrast, tends to be s > more stable, > > moreG > > > reliable, and less costly in the long run (less development time,m > less > > > maintenance).f > > >e > > > -- > > > David J. Dachtera  > > > dba DJE Systems/ > > > http://www.djesys.com/ > > >a@ > > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:% > > > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/- > > >a > > * > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy.d > >o >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.r >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.370 ************************er wouldB cause a program to fail, but raising each alone caused no problem?  	 $ sho rmsrM           MULTI-  |                MULTIBUFFER COUNTS               | NETWORKrL           BLOCK   | Indexed  Relative            Sequential         