1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 04 Jul 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 371       Contents: ACMS & RFC1006?  Re: ACMS & RFC1006?  Re: ACMS & RFC1006?  RE: auto-reboot error on 6630  Re: auto-reboot error on 6630 & Re: Compaq paying for software ports ?! Compaq Paying for Software Ports? 7 Re: Disk I/O Performance (was Re: OpenVMS loses big...) 2 Re: Does anyone do distributed/remote development?. Does anyone do distributed/remote development?2 Re: Does anyone do distributed/remote development?2 Re: Does anyone do distributed/remote development?( Re: Enabling Proxies in the Secureserver8 Re: How can I "replicate" Volume Shadowing on a Sun box? Re: LAVC Cluster. Re: OpenVMS clusters vs other systems clusters. Re: OpenVMS clusters vs other systems clusters. Re: OpenVMS clusters vs other systems clusters Re: question about "SET RMS": Re: Stopping the cluster traffic on an Ethernet controller Re: Sub-DS10 Alpha Tutorial Re: Very Large RMS Files  Re: VMS can tail -f ? if so how?  RE: VMS can tail -f ? if so how?" XML Parser for OpenVMS Available ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 11:36:19 +0200 * From: Ferry Bolhar <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> Subject: ACMS & RFC1006?7 Message-ID: <962703370.813064@mozart.adv.magwien.gv.at>    Hi all,   @ we're running ACMS V4.2 on some VAXen with OpenVMS V6.2/V7.1 and7 DECnet-Plus V6.3/V7.1. DECnet uses the local namespace.   F To avoid DECnet traffic and local namespace updates, we plan to switchD to RFC1006 (DECnet over TCP/IP). However, it seems that current ACMSD versions do not support this because the node name length in ACMS isF restricted to 6 chars, but IP names are always longer (at least in our area).  D Can someone tell me whether there are newer ACMS versions supportingH RFC1006 connections? Or are there patches for ACMS V4.2 to support this?   MTIA and best greetings,   Ferry    --   Ing. Ferry Bolhar-Nordenkampf  Municipality of Vienna Municipality Department 14
 A-1010 Vienna  E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.at   : "Wenn hier einer schuld ist, dann immer nur der Computer."   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:14:35 +0400* From: "Yuri Ermakov" <ermak@cbr.ryazan.su> Subject: Re: ACMS & RFC1006?/ Message-ID: <8jsejl$jtm$1@summer.cbr.ryazan.su>     You can assign alias for IP host   Examples for UCX   $ UCX ( UCX> set host long_name_host  /alias=lnh0 UCX> set host namehost.company.com /alias=namhst    B "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> ???????/???????? ? ????????< ?????????: news:962703370.813064@mozart.adv.magwien.gv.at...	 > Hi all,  > B > we're running ACMS V4.2 on some VAXen with OpenVMS V6.2/V7.1 and9 > DECnet-Plus V6.3/V7.1. DECnet uses the local namespace.  > H > To avoid DECnet traffic and local namespace updates, we plan to switchF > to RFC1006 (DECnet over TCP/IP). However, it seems that current ACMSF > versions do not support this because the node name length in ACMS isH > restricted to 6 chars, but IP names are always longer (at least in our > area). > F > Can someone tell me whether there are newer ACMS versions supportingJ > RFC1006 connections? Or are there patches for ACMS V4.2 to support this? >  > MTIA and best greetings, >  > Ferry  >  > -- > Ing. Ferry Bolhar-Nordenkampf  > Municipality of Vienna > Municipality Department 14 > A-1010 Vienna  > E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.at  > < > "Wenn hier einer schuld ist, dann immer nur der Computer."   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 17:04:16 +0200 * From: Ferry Bolhar <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> Subject: Re: ACMS & RFC1006?7 Message-ID: <962723056.460575@mozart.adv.magwien.gv.at>   5 Thanks for the responses I got conerning my question.    " > You can assign alias for IP host >  > Examples for UCX >  > $ UCX * > UCX> set host long_name_host  /alias=lnh2 > UCX> set host namehost.company.com /alias=namhst  > Unfortunately, this does not work. In order to force to createF connections via RFC1006, you _must_ specify a full-qualified host nameH (including domain part) or must specify the special name space "domain:"H in front of the node name (eg, "domain:.vax003" for node VAX003). If youF supply the 6-char name only, the connection is established over nativeD DECnet. However, the above host names are too long and therefore are rejected by ACMS.   G I need an ACMS version actually supporting longer node names. Again, is 
 there one?    Thanks and kind greetings, Ferry   --   Ing. Ferry Bolhar-Nordenkampf  Municipality of Vienna Municipality Department 14
 A-1010 Vienna  E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.at   : "Wenn hier einer schuld ist, dann immer nur der Computer."   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 08:57:59 -0300 1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> & Subject: RE: auto-reboot error on 6630K Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A333595@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>    Hi,   A 	You probably have a firmware problem.  Search DSN ITS for "Round L Robin", we tried to use this technique but in the end it was so much simpler to update the firmware.  - Darren   > ----------7 > From: 	Jack Ziegler[SMTP:ziegler@it-ue450.sonoma.edu] & > Sent: 	Friday, June 30, 2000 8:21 PM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com% > Subject: 	auto-reboot error on 6630  >  > Hello, > J > I'm having a problem getting a VAX 6630 running VMS 6.2 to auto-restart.K > After running SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN and requesting an automatic reboot, the 8 > system fails during the reboot attempt with the error: > # > ?005B Unknown type of boot device  > G > However, if I just type "B" at the console prompt, or power-cycle the G > machine with autostart set,  it boots correctly,  so the default BOOT H > command is correct.  Also other 6000's restart correctly from the sameB > system disk.  The problem only occurs during a software shutdown > with auto-reboot.    > 6 > Any ideas about where the problem might be?  Thanks. > # > Jack Ziegler                    | @ > Information Technology          | internet: ziegler@sonoma.edu; > Sonoma State University         | phone   : (707)664-3098 ; > Rohnert Park, CA 94928          | FAX     : (707)664-2505  >  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they L are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying  of this message is prohibited.   Bank of Bermuda F **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 15:56:18 GMT $ From: Ed Wilts <ewilts@mediaone.net>& Subject: Re: auto-reboot error on 6630, Message-ID: <39620922.387CB7F5@mediaone.net>   "Boyle, Darren" wrote: > J >         You probably have a firmware problem.  Search DSN ITS for "RoundN > Robin", we tried to use this technique but in the end it was so much simpler > to update the firmware. 
 > - Darren  G Actuually you do NOT have a firmware problem.  What you've got is a bug 7 in the 66xx microcode that can be easily worked around.   G You need to create an additional variable for your boot disk.  Say that F your boot device is DUA0.  Create the variable $$00 that looks exactly like the DEFBOO setting.  ? If you log a call with Compaq, they'll give you the info fairly H quickly.  It's amazing that there was never a DSNlink article written onH this (or maybe there was and I missed it - I'm too lazy to sign on to myC VMS systems and look right now).  This has been a known problem for  obviously many years.    Cheers,  	.../Ed   @ > > From:         Jack Ziegler[SMTP:ziegler@it-ue450.sonoma.edu]  L > > I'm having a problem getting a VAX 6630 running VMS 6.2 to auto-restart.M > > After running SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN and requesting an automatic reboot, the : > > system fails during the reboot attempt with the error: > > % > > ?005B Unknown type of boot device  > > I > > However, if I just type "B" at the console prompt, or power-cycle the I > > machine with autostart set,  it boots correctly,  so the default BOOT J > > command is correct.  Also other 6000's restart correctly from the sameD > > system disk.  The problem only occurs during a software shutdown > > with auto-reboot.  > > 8 > > Any ideas about where the problem might be?  Thanks. > > % > > Jack Ziegler                    | B > > Information Technology          | internet: ziegler@sonoma.edu= > > Sonoma State University         | phone   : (707)664-3098 = > > Rohnert Park, CA 94928          | FAX     : (707)664-2505    --   Ed Wilts Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts@mediaone.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 09:40:32 -0400 ) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net / Subject: Re: Compaq paying for software ports ? 9 Message-ID: <3961e9fd$1$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>   2 In <3961607A.574889D1@earthlink.net>, on 07/04/00 G    at 09:40 AM, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> said:   + >yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote:  >[snip] M >> >They don't grow on trees and people don't just go off an knock off say an ; >> >Office suite in Fortran or Pascal at the drop of a hat.  >>  F >> Why would we need yet another one of those on VMS?  There have been$ >> several in existence for decades.  ? >Really? Would you care to elucidate? By chance have you a URL?   H I don't have URL's handy, but WordPerfect had their Perfect Office stuffD on VMS over a decade ago.  Mass11 was in existence close to a decadeH before that.  (Believe it was the port of the RSTS/E product Word11, but6 those brain cells could have died in the wrong order.)  E There is a company in Rolling Ghettos that has a third product, but I G don't remember its name.  Do remember the product was written in Pascal D and their office was only a few miles from the DEC Elk Grove office.   Roland     --  ; ----------------------------------------------------------- D yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.528                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 09:44:28 -0400 ) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net * Subject: Compaq Paying for Software Ports?9 Message-ID: <3961eead$2$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>    >  >>L >> Most flavors of Unix I see today are just as stable and robust as NT whenG >> it comes to production standards.  Neither are ready for prime time.   E >don't know how many flavors of unix you have seen, but certainly not C >the big ones (Tru64, Solaris, AIX, UX) which run tens of thousands B >of production sites around the world quite happily. Alone SAP hasA >certainly more than 10'000 customers worldwide, running  on UNIX / >with (sometimes) thousands of users connected. H >Tru64 in particular, with its clustering technology pretty much similarC >to VMS, is known by our customers to be very stable and capable of   >delivering 99.99% availability.   M.Dolder/ -----------------------------------------------  Compaq Computer AG, Switzerland  Matthias Dolder   I Yes, I've certainly seen the big ones.  Tru64 has been hawked for a while H by Sector 7 to its clients and it is a LOOOOOONG way from being ready toH handle mission critical applications.  There is a big difference betweenD running a word processor or playing a cool Xwindows game and running9 bet-your-life-on-it applications.  Tru64 ain't there yet.   C AIX actually ran better when IBM had nothing to do with it.  Do you J remember those days when IBM didn't own the source code for AIX and didn'tI own the chip in the RS/6000.  They had to quickly kill of that success by C purchasing the source code from Kodak (company which had bought the I company "Interactive" which actually wrote AIX) litterally 2 weeks before H Kodak sold the entire thing off to Sun.  Yes, they are migrating AIX offH to other block IO batch oriented boxes, but the first point of migrationJ seems to still be their favorite...the AS/400...Bass Pro Shops should makeH one of these boxes the standard anchor for every pontoon boat they sell.  H UX, the os which will get the rest of the letters put into its name whenH it is done.  Watched my current client flush $24mill and 5 years dealingF with HP trying to replace a system originally developed under RSTS/E. J Finally they pulled the Tidy Bowl chain on the project, the president, theH group of VP's who bought into it, and the board of govenors members that approved financing.   K Solaris.  There are still one or two Solaris boxes at current client site.  J Currently they are running a backwater application nobody cares about.  ItF will be gone some time after they finally flush Oracle from the site. H That will take a little doing because Oracle has been reduced to nothingI more than replacing the "tape archive" process.  Given its stellar record J of cluster wide roll backs under VMS and its beauteous foray into the Ebay6 market place it will not progress further at the firm.    C You want to impress me with Tru64.  Here is how you do it.  Have it E control both X-ray and cancer radiation treatment machines.  Then YOU H PERSONALLY receive an X-ray from it (or a treatment from it) once it hasI been installed into a hospital ER.  The definition of mission critical is 3 people die when it fails.  VMS is mission critical.    Roland   --  ; ----------------------------------------------------------- D yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.528                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------   Date: 04 Jul 2000 14:43:02 GMT' From: dashw459@aol.comeatspam (Doug W.) @ Subject: Re: Disk I/O Performance (was Re: OpenVMS loses big...): Message-ID: <20000704104302.29762.00000208@ng-mb1.aol.com>   >Hoff Hoffman wrote...K >  There are differing interests here, depending on the application and the 	 customer  M > environment,  Some need reliability, some need performance.  Most want both  but  > that gets expensive....   E With all due respect, I appreciate COMPAQs problems trying to balance J reliability, performance and expense for different groups of customers.  IO acknowledge it does provide products suitable for typical disk needs.  However, H COMPAQ does not offer a high performance disk solution for VMS.  This isL FORCING segments of the industry to migrate off VMS.  COMPAQ concentrates onJ medium performance, high reliablity, huge capacity solutions at outlandishJ prices with a peculiar emphasis on clusters.  This is probably its biggestE customer base.  But what good is a mini lacking high performance I/O?   F I belong to a part of the industry COMPAQ is neglecting.  We need highL performance disk solutions.   We judge products by their sustained bandwidthJ when the disk is spiraling.  We stubbornly insist that bandwidth should beL linearly related to the spindle count.  And assert that until you can spiralM well, you can not build efficient disk products.  We realize most of COMPAQ's I customer base does not need high performance disk solutions.  However, we K expect $600,000.00 units to be able to meet our needs without question.  In 5 short we believe COMPAQ has got it exactly backwards.       L While the changes you referred to will benefit all customers, VMS and COMPAQO storage products have inherent problems no amount of RMS or cache tweaking will O resolve.  In advance excuse my bluntness, I am normally positive about VMS, but J I am angry about what it takes to  get decent disk I/O and I am constantlyI confronted by programmers who suggest dumping VMS because of its poor I/O  performance.      O So there is no confusion about what high performance means, our current goal is L  20MB/second/spindle sustained all day.  Ideally a disk controller should beG able to support 4 drives before saturating.  We do not expect COMPAQ to O perfectly meet our goals.  But we do expect them to at least try.  This is whatEB my industry needs and there are others, such as video with similar requirements.       G In this area VMS lags behind other contenders.  Frankly, the aging RAID(M solutions available for VMS just plain suck on both cost and performance whennJ compared to competitors.  ULTRA 3 is not even supported.  Tacking fiber inM front of old products does not inspire confidence.   Too many COMPAQ products O are UNIX or PC only.  Even if they work under VMS (proliant hardware), they areiM not qualified.   The VMS low cost RAID hardware (KZP) needed serious redesigneM years ago.  A  KZP trying to spiral is an engineering embarassment.   The HSZeN does somewhat better,  but is ridiculously expensive.  The sales literature isM confusing at best (ULTRA2 like rates?).  The sales people just don't know andFM recommend products that can't cut it.   There are no programs to exercise andaL display Max I/O (shame on engineering, look whats available on the PC).  TheK software RAID can't get out of its own way and constantly makes an observerrL question why it is doing what it is doing.  Binding 2 HSZs makes a good caseD for opensource and peer review.  And then there are VMS limitations.      J In this environment, a heavy VMS I/O user is forced to look at third partyG hardware.  There are a lot out there far cheaper and faster than COMPAQpH products.  Many of these are aimed at the PC and UNIX markets.  However,O maintenance concerns aside, when you plug them into your VMS mini you will findnL their performance disappointing.  Now remove the hardware and plug it into aO $400.00 PC running NT and watch the same hardware achieve sterling performance.gH  A clear indication there are VMS issues?  In any case its a humiliating- demonstration for a VMS supporter to observe.       O One well known VMS problem is split I/Os.  VMS can't write more than 127 blocks0J at a time to disk (CIs excluded).  While VMS handles this situation fairlyL well, 3rd party RAID hardware does not.  NT and UNIX do not have a 127 blockN barrier.  Overcoming the 127 block barrier has been rumoured to be in the nextK release of VMS for as long as I can remember.  Don't even bother asking theaO COMPAQ sales force or even a lot of the technical people about split I/Os.  For_, the skeptical out there, do the following...      
 	$anal/sys  + 	>sda show device dka100		#or any scsi disk?   	>format ucb      O At the bottom of the screen you will find UCB$L_MAXBCNT.    It will read FE00.  M Thats the max number of bytes you can xfer to the device, 127 blocks.  If youPO want to do 80MB/sec too many splits are required.  If I seem angry keep in mindnO that I have experienced many jokes about offloading disk I/O VMS can not handleHL to a cheap PC running NT.  COMPAQ please, please fix the '127 block feature' quickly.      L So what can one do?  COMPAQ RAID hardware won't cut it, its software RAID isL pitiful and 3rd party products have trouble under VMS.  We are buying 2 diskO controllers (ULTRA 2 ) and 4 drives.  We have written a small program that doespG disk striping  on a file basis for reads and writes only.  No fancy RMS.M features just QIOs in buckets of 127.  No parity disk, hot swapping, shadows, N backups or anything else.  A hack and kludge surely.  But nothing COMPAQ makesH comes close to it in performance.  And the cost is rock bottom.  We wereM willing, ready and eager to spend a million but could not find a product that.O worked.  As for the inevitable comments about software kludges, until there aregG VMS products available that offer similar performance there are no good  alternatives.   M We are certain COMPAQ does not understand our needs and wonder where they arenG going.  We do not understand why customers are left to qualify COMPAQ's J hardware for VMS or write their own striping software.   We are worried noF other customers are complaining and wonder if COMPAQ realizes what its competitors providing.   Sorry to dump on you,a Screaming  not streaming,h DW     ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 07:17:59 GMTa2 From: Shraga_Broyer@bmc.nospam.com (Shraga Broyer); Subject: Re: Does anyone do distributed/remote development?o- Message-ID: <39618d36.645266764@news.bmc.com>r  ? On Tue, 04 Jul 2000 01:54:32 GMT, rbanks@arel.com.au.nospamming  (Richard Banks) wrote:  E You can use the "OpenVMS Enterprise Toolkit" from Digital .  I use itaF to synchronize software modules between my PC and the VMS box. You canF use it with any Windows-based Source Control software you like (we use" Continuus). For more information:   : http://www.openvms.digital.com/commercial/et/et_index.html  A >I have developers in multiple offices and countries working on asD >software product.  The master copy is stored at our head office andD >the remote developers have snapshots of the source code, forms, FDL@ >definitions, etc.  Periodically they update our master copy andF >refresh their own with any other changes.  Obviously this can lead toF >versioning problems and overwriting changes made by other developers. >aE >Now in the unix/linux world I would be getting the developers to useoD >CVS as the source code control tool and the remote developers would, >simply log on and check in/out source code. > E >What I am looking for is a a solution for VMS (where VMS systems arehG >both the source code repository and the clients) that has been used in  >real life.o >o> >Does anyone know of one - preferrably on the cheap (ie free)?) >Is anyone porting the CVS server to VMS?t >a< >Any help or pointers in the right direction will be greatly
 >appreciated.s >t
 >- Richard >a" >[rbanks@arel.remove_this_bit.com]   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 07:45:29 -0400o2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>7 Subject: Does anyone do distributed/remote development? 7 Message-ID: <200007040745_MC2-AB0E-6266@compuserve.com>o  ;         CMS, from Digital/Compaq is the supported solution.3  #         There is/was a port of RCS.     % Message text written by Richard Banks*A >I have developers in multiple offices and countries working on a C software product.  The master copy is stored at our head office and C the remote developers have snapshots of the source code, forms, FDLt? definitions, etc.  Periodically they update our master copy andnE refresh their own with any other changes.  Obviously this can lead to E versioning problems and overwriting changes made by other developers.   D Now in the unix/linux world I would be getting the developers to useC CVS as the source code control tool and the remote developers woulde+ simply log on and check in/out source code.*  D What I am looking for is a a solution for VMS (where VMS systems areF both the source code repository and the clients) that has been used in
 real life.  = Does anyone know of one - preferrably on the cheap (ie free)?a( Is anyone porting the CVS server to VMS?  ; Any help or pointers in the right direction will be greatlyo appreciated. <"   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jul 2000 09:29:14 -0500r9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)o; Subject: Re: Does anyone do distributed/remote development?t+ Message-ID: <ttQugLYv9mxM@eisner.decus.org>r  l In article <200007040745_MC2-AB0E-6266@compuserve.com>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> writes:= >         CMS, from Digital/Compaq is the supported solution.t > % >         There is/was a port of RCS.' >  > ' > Message text written by Richard BanksiB >>I have developers in multiple offices and countries working on a > software product.e  B Furthermore, if this is really a software Product, as in somethingC to be used by people outside your company, you are eligible to joinsC the Compaq CSA program which gives you a much cheaper license prices for CMS, MMS and friends.g  D If your machines are on the Internet, you can use DECnet over TCP/IP@ to allow everyone convenient (but non-conflicting) access to theB source respository.  Of course some allow all developers to freely@ fetch sources but replace them only after another has signed off@ as having reviewed the proposed replacement.  That protocol must? be somewhat handcrafted on top of CMS, although if you like theO? way VMS Development does it internally their VDE tool is on thef freeware disc as I recall.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 14:11:39 GMTo( From: Jay Olson <jjo@triton.com.no.spam>; Subject: Re: Does anyone do distributed/remote development? 2 Message-ID: <3961EF13.B238A044@triton.com.no.spam>   Richard Banks wrote: > 5 > I have developers in multiple offices and countries44 > working on a software product.  The master copy is5 > stored at our head office and the remote developersA/ > have snapshots of the source code, forms, FDL-8 > definitions, etc.  Periodically they update our master4 > copy and refresh their own with any other changes.4 > Obviously this can lead to versioning problems and/ > overwriting changes made by other developers.< > 4 > Now in the unix/linux world I would be getting the7 > developers to use CVS as the source code control toola9 > and the remote developers would simply log on and checkp > in/out source code.  > 6 > What I am looking for is a a solution for VMS (where9 > VMS systems are both the source code repository and the + > clients) that has been used in real life.o > 8 > Does anyone know of one - preferrably on the cheap (ie1 > free)? Is anyone porting the CVS server to VMS?y > 5 > Any help or pointers in the right direction will beo > greatly appreciated. >   E I have done that (and am still doing it) for almost as long as I have D been using VMS (which is since version 1.6). A long time ago, we didF this in an organization with about 150 developers by putting a wrapperC around CMS so that it would talk to a DECnet task on the node which @ contained the CMS libraries. No one had access to the actual CMSF machine, so everyone had to go through the tools. This was obviously aF custom solution, but at least you don't have to buy any extra software# and you can tweak it to your needs.t  @ Nowadays, I and some of my fellow consultants use IPsec over theH Internet to directly log on to the customer's machines for access to theD CMS libraries and for production support. We all have our own AlphasF with everything we need to develop and test, but we always try to takeH frequent snapshots. There are nightly builds on the main machine, so you' can always know if you break something.D  ? The PC-based people in my company use a product called Perforce G (http://www.perforce.com) to do their distributed development. PerforceiG is also available for VMS, both as the client and the server. There wasdE some talk that we should switch to Perforce for use even on VMS work,tB but we really like and trust CMS, and the guy who was the PerforceC evangelist left the company. Nevertheless, it is a quite reasonablec product.  ( 	- Jay Olson (jjo "at" triton "dot" com) 	Triton Software Group LLC   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 10:17:03 +0200 + From: Maarten van Tilburg <mtilburg@wxs.nl>n1 Subject: Re: Enabling Proxies in the Secureservero& Message-ID: <39619D7F.7426EC87@wxs.nl>   Michael Austin wrote:- > 4 > how does one turn on proxies in the secure server? > " > uaf add/prox *::xxx  xxx/default9 > %UAF-E-NAFADDERR, error adding proxy from *::XXX to XXXhE > -SECSRV-E-PROXYNOTACTIVE, proxy processing is not currently active;e > please try your request laterp > 	 > VMS 7.1e > 	 > Thanks,f   from the help/message :o  F  PROXYNOTACTIVE,  proxy processing is not currently active; please try$                   your request later  '   Facility:     SECSRV, Security Serverd  A   Explanation:  Proxy processing is not active because either the  securityE                 server was not started or proxy processing halted for  some                 reason.   G   User Action:  Check whether a new format NET$PROXY.DAT proxy databasep existsD                 and use the DCL command SET SERVER SECURITY/START to	 start thet;                 security server if it has not been started.h  G                 If a proxy database does not exist, create one by usingo thelG                 DCL command RUN SYS$SYSTEM:CONVERT_PROXY to convert thee oldsH                 NETPROXY.DAT file or by issuing the CREATE/PROXY command inC                 the Authorize utility to create a new NET$PROXY.DATt file.      -- lF ----------------------------------------------------------------------F | Maarten van Tilburg                                                |F | OpenVMS & Windows NT System Administrator                          |F | Gemeentevervoerbedrijf Amsterdam                    tilburg@gvb.nl |F |                                                                    |F | Orchestra & Choir Conductor                                        |F | Private: mtilburg@wxs.nl      distribution: vanTilburg@bigfoot.com |F | Homepage : http://home.wxs.nl/~mtilburg/index.html                 |F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Jun 2000 12:54:13 GMT/ From: warren.spencer@alcan.com (Warren Spencer)oA Subject: Re: How can I "replicate" Volume Shadowing on a Sun box? 9 Message-ID: <8F63563E7warrenspenceralcanco@142.14.12.164>n  3 svieth@ameritech.net.nospam (Scott Vieth) wrote in Y) <395BEF90.8DEBE542@ameritech.net.nospam>:r   >Hi: > C >How can I use make a Sun box do the same magical things that I can = >do with an OpenVMS system that runs Volume Shadowing?  We'velF >got a nifty little nightly routine where we shut down our main Oracle@ >(on VMS Alpha) database, dismount the DSAs, re-mount two out ofB >the three shadow members, re-start the database software and then? >back-up the third member of each shadow set.  Once the backups-> >are done, we merge the third member back into each DSA volume >"on the fly". >-D >Can a Solaris system do the same thing?  What 3rd party software do$ >I need to be able to pull this off? >r >Thanks in advance.S >s >-Scott  :^) >g   Scott,  J Another approach to this type of problem is to use Oracle's native backup N facilities, which permit "hot" backups.  I believe this facility is available O in 7.3 and later versions.  Hot backups are done on a tablespace-by-tablespace  8 basis, and do not require that you quiesce the database.   ws   -- C Warren Spencer Systems Analyst  Alcan Aluminum Corporation  L << My employer does not necessarily agree with my opinions - neither do I >>   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 09:38:21 +0100* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: LAVC Cluster + Message-ID: <8js7ps$s60@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>e  _ "Mark E. Levy" <levy@sysman-inc.com> wrote in message news:sm2i9dn3op3161@corp.supernews.com... K > I can say without any doubt that you can add a FDDI adapter to a 4000/90..M > You will, however, have to use the example program, LAVC$STOP_BUS, found inoN > SYS$EXAMPLES, to turn off SCS on the Ethernet to ensure that all SCS traffic > goes over the FDDI.t  N The cluster prefers low latency, rather than high bandwidth links. I suppose aQ short Ethernet should be faster than a big ring. However, it should prefer largeroD packet sizes. So bumping up NISCS_MAX_PKTSIZ would be my first move.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 07:47:50 -0400o2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters vs other systems clusterse7 Message-ID: <200007040748_MC2-AB14-5730@compuserve.com>l  H         Well, VMS was written by DEC for the VAX architecture.  Unix wasG written by hackers at Bell Labs so they could play Spacewar.  AT&T gavewG Unix to the Comp Sci department at Berkeley.  Large pieces of Unix wereoH "developed" there.   It's a hacker's O/S that's been given a little spitF and polish by the commercial developers.   Poor as it was/is Sun, H-P,J Silicon Graphics, and all the others started out with a huge piece of the= irG work half done for them.  The remaining cost could be spread over a lota
 more systems.y  J         You're right, VMS is priced right  out of most of the market, but=  % there is *SOME* justification for it.o  <         Digital/Compaq funded the entire development of VMS.9 Message text written by Andrew Harrison SUNUK ConsultancyhJ >2.    Why is OpenVMS so outrageously expensive, Linux, Solaris and other=  F         commercial UNIX's are all much much less expensive. Even Win2K which isG         by Linux/Solaris standards very expensive is a lot cheaper thanu	 OpenVMS.<a   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:30:31 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>.7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters vs other systems clustersr( Message-ID: <8jssbg$1qf$1@pyrite.mv.net>  E Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote ini, message news:39606732.7FA8CFA4@uk.sun.com...   ...s  J > 2.    Why is OpenVMS so outrageously expensive, Linux, Solaris and otherH >         commercial UNIX's are all much much less expensive. Even Win2K which isI >         by Linux/Solaris standards very expensive is a lot cheaper thanp OpenVMS. >sL >         Solaris x86 for up to 8 CPU systems is available for 75 dollars, I can  > buildsI >         a caching proxy server with Solaris on a reasonable x86 box fort lessA >         than the cost that having the OpenVMS adds to the DS10.i > J >         This is not an argument about the relative capability of OpenVMS vs theH >         other OS's mentioned but a comment on the ludicrous price that Compaq) >         seems to want to put on the OS.   I I'm tempted to characterize the above as FUD, but will simply question its* since I don't know what other Unixes cost.  I The incremental cost of VMS on a DS10 (now including TCP/IP support and anK few other previously-unbundled goodies) was recently reported here as $1252tI (IIRC).  IMO, this compares favorably (given the relative capabilities ofeL the two systems) with the last Win2K Server street price I saw ($839, thoughJ it may get discounted when purchased with hardware).  Furthermore, I'm notI aware of any other commercial Unix (than Solaris) that's effectively freeyL (and will refrain from commenting on any possible reflection this might haveI on the relative value of these systems):  are the other commercial Unixes L (AIX, HP-UX, Tru64, even SCO) noticeably less expensive than VMS (not that a? $1252 difference, even if they're free, would quite justify theo0 characterization 'outrageously expensive', IMO)?   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 15:37:01 +0100 B From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters vs other systems clusters * Message-ID: <3961F68D.500B4B06@uk.sun.com>   jlsue wrote:  1 > On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:58:38 +0100, Nigel Arnote& > <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> wrote: >n > >aC > >For once I find myself in almost complete agreement with Andrew.  > >n= > >The only marketing lies concerning unix that I encounteredl@ > >emanated from Digital. If there ever was a conspiracy, it was/ > >within the Digital Corporation, not outside.c > >v >rF > That wasn't my experience at all.  My experience, as someone workingA > *outside* of Digital, was that Unix vendors were making lots of E > promises that they couldn't deliver in the business-critical world.I > For several years, in fact.y >sE > I never mentioned anything about a conspiracy, someone else startedeF > that FUD.  However, it is a fact of my work experience that I had toB > constantly fight against the Unix lies that they could deliver aE > stable, quality product that had the reliability and scalability ofnH > our VMSclusters.  Hell, they didn't even do "upgrades" back then - youF > just wiped out your OS and re-installed fresh (though you could keepG > your other file systems).  And don't forget, there was nothing like aeE > "disaster-mode" disk restore from backups, if your system disk justi > happened to flake-out on you.  >tB > But the MGMs of the world were entranced by the headlines of the> > press, and the bull coming out of the Gartners of the world,< > forgetting that these are just self-fulfilling prophecies.3 > Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaqe/ > (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)o  : If this does not qualify for a conspiracy theory rant then I don't know what does.l   Regardse Andrew Harrison3 Enterprise IT Architectr   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jul 2000 13:45:04 -0400 4 From: "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com>% Subject: Re: question about "SET RMS"i+ Message-ID: <B5879AE3-97E28@165.247.45.227>y  K On Mon, Jul 3, 2000 2:25 PM, John Nixon <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote:w  ; >Our SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM   still carries with it the command:p >w( > "SET RMS/SYSTEM/EXT=512/BLOCK=64/BUF=2  F >Are there guidelines or suggestions on how to revisit and revise this	 >command.w   A couple of thoughts:cE 1)  You can probably make /BLOCK and /BUF considerably higher than inhF the microvax days, since you have tons more memory.  But remember thatE these RMS/SYSTEM parameters apply to every open file in every process.F (unless overridden).  You may have tons more processes than in the oldF days.  So consider a modest increase in these parameters, assuming you don't have a memory shortage.o  C 2)  For files/processes where it matters, you may find it useful to F customize the RMS numbers for each file (if possible) or each process.  H 3)  Consider getting rid of SET RMS/SYSTEM/EXTEND, and replacing it withE per-volume SET VOLUME/EXTEN instead.  We have disks of many different C ages and sizes, with files ranging from a few blocks to tens of GB.pD I try to steer small files to disks with smallish cluster sizes, and@ huge files to disks with huge cluster sizes.  This helps reduce E fragmentation, while keeping wasted space (average half a cluster peraE file) to a reasonable level.  You likely want to do some cluster-sizeND tuning like this independent of your /EXTEN settings, if you haven't already.  D If your cluster sizes are reasonable for the sizes of your "typical"G files, you may want to set your /EXTEN for each volume to a multiple ofrB the cluster size.  I typically use a multiple of 5 or 10 times the@ cluster size.  That seems to work well for many different disks.  C 4)  For frequently-used applications, try to pre-allocate space fordB the whole file when you create it.  If that's not possible, set a . sensible per-file or per-process extend value.  E This may be a case of too many choices.  You can control file extendsd at least 5 ways: 1) volume defaultt 2) system default  3) process default 4) file's permanent default ( 5) specifc value when you open the file.   ---------------------------t Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.coml   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 09:01:16 +0200, From: "Jean-Luc RAYON" <jl.rayon@wanadoo.fr>C Subject: Re: Stopping the cluster traffic on an Ethernet controllerf% Message-ID: <8js26f$r8o$1@wanadoo.fr>a   Thanks for the help.  L I have solved the problem by setting the mode to AUTONGOTIATE on the 100 Mb bus.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 14:09:56 +0100-- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>g Subject: Re: Sub-DS10 Alpha ) Message-ID: <3961E224.D3A496C6@bbc.co.uk>e   Graham Allan wrote:d  H > Remember the good old days when Digital would pack an extra power cord > in with each keyboard?  F You mean the German, Spanish and US power cords as well as the UK one?Q Actually, we have a stash of German power cords here that arrived with the Compaqw  
 desktop PC'S.'  -- 6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukf  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofp MedAS or the BBC.l   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:36:08 +09300 From: "Dave Cole" <daveandrosie@picknowl.com.au> Subject: Tutoriale2 Message-ID: <39619ad4@newsserver1.picknowl.com.au>  L Hi, I am new to the world of VMS but have to learn it.  I would like to knowL if anyone knows of any tutorials that are available that would be useful for a new user.a  # Thanks in advance to all that replyo   Dave.l   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Jul 2000 08:46:33 -0500a* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)! Subject: Re: Very Large RMS Files + Message-ID: <PC7eik8rRkxJ@eisner.decus.org>-  I In article <8jr4qg$8qt$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, msi_bruce@earthlink.net writes:   8 Are they always open?  If so, you need to plan downtime.  B There is a product called PerfectFile by Raxco, worked for me when@ dealing with very large RMS files.  I have to go on vacation and@ me love upstairs is yelling down.. sorry for lack of detail :-).   Roba   > Hi,  > J > Does anyone have any tips or suggestions for dealing with very large RMSJ > files.  We are working with RMS indexed files in the 2 - 4 gigabyte sizeJ > range.  These files are very difficult to tune or recover due to run theI >  large amount of time it takes to run the ANALYZE and CONVERT utilitiest > against them.  > I > Are there any products or tools that would allow us to dynamically tuneV5 > the files without having to actually recreate them?v > 	 > Thanks,i > 
 > Bruce C. >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.l   ------------------------------  / Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 08:24:37 +0200 (MET DST)l& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>) Subject: Re: VMS can tail -f ? if so how?l/ Message-ID: <200007040530.HAA18765@fom.fgan.de>e   Hello,   why not TYPE/TAIL=n/CONTIN.o   Regards Rudolf Wingert  F P.S. I hope that this question is not a war (UNIX is better then ...).B      I do miss under UNIX a SEARCH/WIND=(n,m), but that is not the,      reason why I do like OpenVMS very much.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 09:23:33 GMTu From: tony_barratt@my-deja.com) Subject: RE: VMS can tail -f ? if so how? ) Message-ID: <8jsaea$330$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   + Well sounds good. PLease, how do I do that?uD In article <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD74A@berry.mvpsi.com>,&   John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> wrote:F > Why don't you just use keepalives when you establish the connection? >s > > -----Original Message-----D > > From: tony_barratt@my-deja.com [mailto:tony_barratt@my-deja.com]' > > Sent: Monday, July 03, 2000 7:07 PM  > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh- > > Subject: Re: VMS can tail -f ? if so how?  > >s > >t@ > > I was wondering is there a way to create an repetative event > > which will > > appear in the alert log?! > > I'd like to have a line like:n > > hostname count timestamp > > every 3 secs, say.F > > So I'll know if the network connectivity goes away, and silence is no@ > > longer a guarantee of a healthy VMS system (because I have a watchdogE > > on the remote host that notices when the repetative events stop). D > > Is there a fine manual I could read that might explain how to do this > > in DCL(?).? > > Or could some kind VMS person give a visitor from unix-land" > > some sample) > > code :-) > >G > > TIA  > >- > > Tony > >-- > > In article <8jqg2k$pas$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,0% > >   tony_barratt@my-deja.com wrote:r" > > > Ah yes well take your point.: > > > Basically I want to monitor a couple of pairs of VMS > > machines plus then! > > > application sitting on top.nA > > > We monitor quite a few different platforms already, but theu approach > > isD > > > the same. Persuade system to append alerts/error msgs to a log file,xB > > > and squirt added lines down a socket to the fault management system > > for. > > > parsing.D > > > I have in mind, after interogating some VMS savvy peeps, using > > DECeventG > > > which is, so I believe, the interface between the system user and 	 > > VMS's  > > > event logging system.tG > > > It is invoked with the DIAGNOSE command and if specified with the > > > > /CONTINUOUS  parameter , events are reported as they are > > logged by the A > > > system so in other words, events are viewed in real time. AY furtheryE > > > parameter is /OUTPUT  in which I can specify an output file forS theT > > > events to be written to. > > >  > > > OK so far?@ > > > So I reckon a type/tail/continuous will push the data over > > ethernet tor" > > > my waiting info hungry host? > > >CH > > > This does seem a bit unix-like. Is there a more VMS-like way to do	 > > this?Y > > >l) > > > BTW Thanks for the rapido response.n > > > 
 > > > Tony > > >r3 > > > In article <3960A1E1.228D73AF@earthlink.net>, @ > > >   "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:' > > > > tony_barratt@my-deja.com wrote: 	 > > > > >  > > > > > Hi Guys,G > > > > > I have a task set me, to push the text appended to a log file 
 > > down a? > > > > > socket for processing (by a fault management system).l@ > > > > > To explain further, in unix, with which I am familiar, > > we set up asG > > > > > service, associated with a udp port number, in /etc/services,:
 > > which,B > > > > > when we do a 'telnet machine portnumber' invokes a shell script > > thatH > > > > > invokes a 'tail -f /path/logfilename' which allows the logfile > > > apendsD > > > > > to appear on the remote machine (that invoked the telnet).= > > > > > I gather that VMS's Digital TCP/IP has +/- the samer > > functionalityw > > as' > > > > > for example Solaris's TCP/IP. B > > > > > Can some kind person therefore advise on a way to <unix- > > speak>tail a& > > > > > file </unix-speak> with VMS? > > > >2E > > > > I find myself wondering if there isn't a better way to do thet sameG > > > > thing. What is that you're trying to monitor? ...and what needs  to% > > > > receive the monitored output?h > > > >nF > > > > Doing UN*X-ly things on VMS is the "politically correct" thing to > > do,-D > > > > but tends to be costly to develop and maintain, and tends to lack > > > > reliability. > > > >m> > > > > Doing VMS things the VMS way, by contrast, tends to be > > more stable,
 > > > moreC > > > > reliable, and less costly in the long run (less developmenth time,h > > less > > > > maintenance).  > > > >e
 > > > > -- > > > > David J. Dachteran > > > > dba DJE Systemsg > > > > http://www.djesys.com/ > > > >pB > > > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:' > > > > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i > > > >i > > > , > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy.a > > >e > >a > >a* > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy.a > >S >c >     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.r   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Jun 2000 13:48:10 GMT/ From: warren.spencer@alcan.com (Warren Spencer)2+ Subject: XML Parser for OpenVMS Available ?.9 Message-ID: <8F636D622warrenspenceralcanco@142.14.12.164>8  	 Hi Folks,t  L Has anyone seen an XML parser for OpenVMS?  If you have, could you point me ! in the right direction?  Thanks!!    ws -- a Warren Spencer Systems Analysta Alcan Aluminum Corporation  J << My employer does not necessarily agree with my opinions - neither do I  >>   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.371 ************************ over the FDDI.t  N The cluster prefers low latency, rather th:9Z_'4{ē^B\:ui!Y>g$`~MeX"HU蔼d>%k+*\fħSkS<)s<Wǅ|D+s9Uɼ ہ])c5嘲C6
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