1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 07 Jul 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 377       Contents:- ??== Abbott AxSYM equipment with Rdb/OpenVms. - Re: ANNOUNCING: MegaPOVRay v0.5a For OpenVMS.  Re: Application Future ?/ Comm: Alpha/x86/Sparc Linux/NT systems. Europe. / Comm: Alpha/x86/Sparc Linux/NT systems. Europe. ( Re: DCL for detecting a finished process Re: DCL vs. "real" programming7 Re: Disk I/O Performance (was Re: OpenVMS loses big...) 7 Re: Disk I/O Performance (was Re: OpenVMS loses big...) 7 Re: Disk I/O Performance (was Re: OpenVMS loses big...)  error parsing 'snapshot' Re: error parsing 'snapshot', execution of one command in set of terminals, FA: DIGITAL DECserver 200/MC Terminal Server FTP to/from Alpha boxes ) Re: highwater marking, speed vs. security ) Re: highwater marking, speed vs. security  Re: LAVC Cluster$ RE: Multinet port numbers being usedG New SEARCH-ENGINE (fast and powerfull)                  13746 gkwbhqlwy  Obtaining User Input Re: Obtaining User Input Re: Obtaining User Input2 Re: OpenVMS loses big, was:  RE: Compaq advertises Re: patch coverage Re: patch coverage RMS filesize SPX 6 Summer 2000 OpenVMS TIMES Now Available on CPQ Website: Re: Summer 2000 OpenVMS TIMES Now Available on CPQ Website Re: Trapping a STOP/ID Re: Trapping a STOP/ID Re: Trapping a STOP/ID Re: Trapping a STOP/ID Re: Trapping a STOP/ID UNSUB INFO-VAX+ what is the difference between SPX and non? / Re: what is the difference between SPX and non? + what is the difference between SPX and non? / Re: what is the difference between SPX and non? / Re: what is the difference between SPX and non? / Re: what is the difference between SPX and non? / Re: what is the difference between SPX and non? / Re: what is the difference between SPX and non? / Re: what is the difference between SPX and non? . Re: [Q] Does VMS support IDE for system disks?. Re: [Q] Does VMS support IDE for system disks?. Re: [Q] Does VMS support IDE for system disks?. Re: [Q] Does VMS support IDE for system disks?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:19:28 +0100 , From: aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus)6 Subject: ??== Abbott AxSYM equipment with Rdb/OpenVms.D Message-ID: <aus-0707001419280001@wvia81.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>  E Is anyone using Abbott Laboratories' AxSYM equipment with OpenVMS and @ perhaps Rdb? The AxSYM is used for clinical immunoassay testing.   --  B Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 06:10:35 -0700   From: Ken <tylereng@pacbell.net>6 Subject: Re: ANNOUNCING: MegaPOVRay v0.5a For OpenVMS.+ Message-ID: <3965D6CB.682E61DE@pacbell.net>    Dave Weatherall wrote: > / > On Sun, 6 Jul 3900 01:21:49, Robert Alan Byer # > <byer@mail.ourservers.net> wrote:  > F > > Again, currently only the Alpha platform is supported with MegaPOVB > > because it requires the IEE_FLOAT mode which VAX dosen't have. > D > Just out of curiosity, why is IEEE_FLOAT a necessity? What's wrong > with G_, F_, D_floatings?  >  > Cheers - Dave.  = POV-Ray is cross platform compatible which necessitates using  IEEE_FLOAT.    --  H Ken Tyler - 1400+ POV-Ray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:H http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 06:02:27 -0700 6 From: BoylesA <alan.boylesNOalSPAM@compaq.com.invalid>! Subject: Re: Application Future ? 9 Message-ID: <1869f2a9.02036547@usw-ex0105-037.remarq.com>   + eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) wrote: 8 >As we (should) all see now a VMS boom, I'd like to ask:" >Do the ISVs already see it, too ? > , >Will SAP R/3 (or R/4) again deploy on VMS ?    Probably not in the near future.  = >Will EUREX (the european stock exchange) revert the decision 
 against VMS ?    Unknown   @ >Will ORACLE make use of the VMScluster advantages with the next DB version?   = Oracle and RDB continue to enhance features especially in the  area of Galaxy.   > >Will ADOBE deliver its products (at least the Acrobat Reader)	 for VMS ?    The reader is available now.  ; >Will REAL NETWORKS deliver its products (at least the Real  Player) for VMS ?   = The new AlphaStation lines have support for the Ensoniq sound  card so who knows.  > >Will MACROMEDIA deliver its products (at least the Shockwave)	 for VMS ?  > = >At least the EUREX decision against VMS (and AIX) is a major 
 pain, because @ >it will force almost all european bank institutes away from VMS over the> >not so long run. And this is exactly the high end segment DEC (and Q) wanted= >to see VMS in (only). If this decision (done, because of eg.  missing JAVA V1.2)  6 JAVA 1.2 should be available on VMS now or this month.    / >will not change back, then IMHO goodbye VMS...  > @ >And don't tell me, that this is "only the EUREX client, not the EUREX server".) >It _will_ force the banks away of VMS...  >  >-- = >Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651 < >Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888= >FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.net 7 ><<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)  281001141::EPLAN@ >A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"; >"VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!"  Compaq, 22-Sep-1998  >  >   > Applications are ( of course ) the issue and VMS management is9 working diligently in this area and making good progress, @ unfortunately, the road back is uphill and tougher than the road= to where we are now.  The DII COE initiative should also help 
 dramatically.    Keep the faith....   Alan      ; -----------------------------------------------------------   7 Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.  Up to 100 minutes free!  http://www.keen.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:48:22 GMT , From: peterw@u.genie.co.uk (Peter Watkinson)8 Subject: Comm: Alpha/x86/Sparc Linux/NT systems. Europe.< Message-ID: <399609ba.1134007@newshost.netscapeonline.co.uk>   Try   / http://you.genie.co.uk/peterw/service/alpha.htm   - For Alpha/x86/ Linux/NT systems and upgrades.   	  regards,      Peter Watkinson  peterw@genie.co.uk& http://www.windsurf-international.com/ http://www.pwnavigate.com/ http://you.genie.co.uk/peterw/   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:47:44 GMT , From: peterw@u.genie.co.uk (Peter Watkinson)8 Subject: Comm: Alpha/x86/Sparc Linux/NT systems. Europe.< Message-ID: <399409a1.1108812@newshost.netscapeonline.co.uk>   Try   / http://www.peterw.demon.co.uk/service/alpha.htm   - For Alpha/x86/ Linux/NT systems and upgrades.   	  regards,      Peter Watkinson  peterw@genie.co.uk& http://www.windsurf-international.com/ http://www.pwnavigate.com/ http://you.genie.co.uk/peterw/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 17:32:31 +0100 ' From: Adrian Birkett <abirkett@csc.com> 1 Subject: Re: DCL for detecting a finished process ' Message-ID: <3964B49F.62BF0122@csc.com>   . A simple method would be to do something like:   $ show sys/out=sys.lisA $ search/out=search.lis sys.lis "text_string"    !rpocess name or  whatever+ $ a = f$file_attribute("search.lis", "EOF") : $ if a .eq. 0 then exit    !ie nothing written to the file   Regards,   Ade        quicksand wrote:  A >   We are working on a script (.COM) to loop "SHOW SYS" commands ? > for a specific process...  it logs vital statistics about the C > process to a file.  Right now it just loops until we kill it with  > Cntrl-C. <br> B >   We'd like to enhance it so that it detects when the process isB > gone (the SHOW SYS command would return nothing/blanks) and stop > automatically. > <br> <br> A >   I tried using a test of $STATUS, but evidentally it considers ; > all requests sucessful, even if the process is not found. @ > <br>   other trivia:  It defines sys$output to the desired logC > file before attempting any "show sys/id='p1'/noheading" commands.  > <br> <br> <br> > Thanks very much in advance. > = > -----------------------------------------------------------  > 9 > Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.  > Up to 100 minutes free!  > http://www.keen.com    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2000 15:28:30 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)' Subject: Re: DCL vs. "real" programming 6 Message-ID: <8k4suu$f2h$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ` In article <39648297.EB95F280@nc.prestige.net>, Michael Austin <maustin@nc.prestige.net> writes:- :This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   -   Please turn off MIME when posting.  Thanks!   M :I seem to recall an internal DEC program that I saw in "the Mill" that would N :actually compile the DCL.  At the time I saw it, it would take a complex MVIIC :almost 20 minutes to boot.  With the compiled DCL, only 3 minutes.   G   The tool you likely recall involved using an image to issue a variety D   of lib$set_symbol and related operations.  SMOP.  This tool was inC   rather common use on systems that are as slow as the MicroVAX II.   I   I am not particularly aware of any internally-developed DCL compilers,  I   but I have seen a few attempts -- baseline DCL isn't that difficult to  K   compile, but the image activations and the rather more twisted stuff you  I   can do DCL procedures make the compilation task rather interesting.  In H   various cases, you have no idea what command will be invoked until youI   run the procedure -- this makes compiling interesting.  (To be able to  H   perform the run-down involved when invoking images, you need to use a I   CLI-style environment, or you need to use a separate process.  This to  E   keep from stomping on the currently-executing run-time environment. E   Of course, simple tools that set up a bazzillion symbols or perform F   basic DCL would be fairly easy to compile -- the symbol substitutionF   and the innate bizzareness of certain DCL constructs would be rather   tougher to contend with.)    :I often wonder J :what happened to those neat tools that you only saw as an employee of the+ :company... and there were lot's of them.     G   Yep, many find their way onto the Freeware, or into products that are 2   available via the Compaq services organizations.  ( :Like FTSV which used VMS copy and if itO :got interrupted, you could restart it and it would pick up at the block number L :where it left off.  Really great when the only interoffice connection was a  :not-so-reliable 56K connection.  D   FTSV and particularly FTSO are available externally.  For details,
   please see:   '     http://www.digital.com/info/SP5443/     N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 02:09:05 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> @ Subject: Re: Disk I/O Performance (was Re: OpenVMS loses big...)( Message-ID: <8k3s2q$5op$1@pyrite.mv.net>  5 Glenn C. Everhart <Everhart@GCE.com> wrote in message ! news:3964FC3C.38D1A8EB@GCE.com... ? > Ah, I hate to see reflexive praise of VMS' competitors. Seems  > misplaced here...   H Not if it highlights a VMS deficiency.  But in this particular case, theL situation was merely that I had no idea what Rudolf might be running for VMSI SCSI drivers and was commenting that because the behavior he observed was L the same on NT (where I have experience that the default SCSI drivers handleL asynchrony just fine - as I would expect VMS's to do as well, but don't haveJ the direct experience to draw upon) the chances were that his code was the problem.   ...   @ > The situation with these OSs may be far more complex. Consider< > that unix uses SCSI reserve/release to control disk accessD > (maybe not all unix but Solaris certainly does). Consider too thatD > NT uses a pervasive caching system. In the details discussing thisB > (have a look at Windows NT Filesystem Internals) it is mentionedA > that a (mis)feature of this design is that NT cannot absolutely A > guarantee writes ever make it to disk. (The boundary conditions 4 > that are involved are a tad rare, but they exist.)  J I believe you're in error.  If you access a file FILE_FLAG_NO_BUFFERING, aJ WriteFile() operation will not complete until the proffered data is on the disk.  Period.  K The only remaining question is whether, if the write caused meta-data to be G updated, that meta-data is also guaranteed to have been updated on disk L before operation completion.  I spent over a month attempting to verify thisL with Microsoft (using their highest available level of support, so they wereJ motivated to persevere) a few years ago, and eventually got an unambiguousC affirmative answer, supposedly verbatim from the development group.   L That answer may or may not also apply to a FLUSH operation on NT (though oneL would hope it does).  But it is a means of ensuring that data has made it to disk.     VMS goes to great@ > lengths, IF the disk supports it, to queue I/O requests at the3 > disk rather than in the OS (to minimize latency).   < That statement makes no sense to me:  one of us is confused.   > : > I'd say there are way too many variables unknown here to > assign a definite cause.  F Nothing in life is certain - even things you believe you have observedH directly.  But in this case, the relative slow-down without disk cachingG enabled is close enough to what one would predict as the consequence of J missing a rev for every 63.5 KB transferred that I have no problem putting' that forth as the *likely* explanation.    - bill   ------------------------------  / Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 08:36:11 +0200 (MET DST) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>@ Subject: Re: Disk I/O Performance (was Re: OpenVMS loses big...)/ Message-ID: <200007070542.HAA18759@fom.fgan.de>    Hello,  I if you would like to compete with other OS, you have to measure under the J same conditions. Yes. But in the most cases other OSses use some features,H which are unsecure and/or hidden to the user. In our institute we do notH need as much security (for the normal work) as other do. In case of thisE we have disabled highwater marking and erasing on delete. If you will I have a scratch disk, or an local disk exclusive used for page-/swapfiles, H you will speed up the system performance by an enabled disk write cache.I If you will have an asynchronous multi-buffered disk I/O, the write cache F will growth the performance too. The write can start at any point of a> track, without to wait a turn to the startpoint of that track.K Also we have test random read access time with a single and double buffered K I/O. With modern disk we see the most time the same access time. With older E disk the difference is much bigger. Also modern disk will have a max. G access time of 14ms, older 25ms. So the disk I/O performance is as good # (or as bad) as there of other OSes.    Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2000 17:31:32 GMT 2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)@ Subject: Re: Disk I/O Performance (was Re: OpenVMS loses big...), Message-ID: <8k545k$47r@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  V In article <3964F6AB.6912043A@GCE.com>, "Glenn C. Everhart" <Everhart@GCE.com> writes:4 >Fragavoid does this, edits io$_modify on the fly... > ? >Default extent is 25% of the file current size; you can select = >the fraction. Never grabs more than 1/8 of free space unless  >the program asked for more. > D >I found that essentially all the time files are truncated on close,2 >so there is no need to deal with that separately.  J How does one install it?  I found it on freeware CDROM version 4 in a .ZIPA archive, but it unpacked to raw files, and favoid.man says to use @ vmsinstal, but I've only ever seen that work on BACKUP savesets.   Thanks,    David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 09:36:01 +0111 \ From: System administrator at Remeis Observatory Bamberg <system@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de>! Subject: error parsing 'snapshot' < Message-ID: <009ECB7F.3A28B3A5.2@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de>   Dear colleagues,  C    Details:     AlphaStation 400 4/233   (our Alpha cluster server)b                 OpenVMS 7.1-1H1O  A    when submitting batch jobs we encounter errors as follows (forp" example when attempting a backup):    h*    BACKUP/IMAGE/NOASSIST/BLOCK=65000/LOG -'    /SYS$BACK:[000000]LU12_00-07-07.LU - J     DISK1: TEMP:LU12_00-07-07.BCK/SAVE/LABEL=LUCKY/REWIND/IGNORE=INTERLOCK  .' %CLI-F-SYNTAX, error parsing 'SNAPSHOT'p: -CLI-E-ENTNF, specified entity not found in command tables     D    However, this has probably nothing to do with the BACKUP command,D because we get similar problems when invoking any other .com file inE batch mode, while the same .com runs normally when directly executed.sG We do not always get the same error message like above with other batchCM jobs, but in any case execution of batch jobs is  e x t r e m e l y  s l o w.f  G    This problem occurs since we applied ECO  ALPSYS20_071 (well, that's F my guess, because since  a b o u t  that time these errors occur, I am@ not 100% sure that our problem is related to this system patch).      Thanks for any hints.        Greetings,a                  Horst   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 13:26:14 GMTO1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>D% Subject: Re: error parsing 'snapshot'a2 Message-ID: <3965DA54.121D0159@clarityconnect.com>  + Please install the ALPBACK05_071 patch kit.b  9 System administrator at Remeis Observatory Bamberg wrote:n >  > Dear colleagues, > E >    Details:     AlphaStation 400 4/233   (our Alpha cluster server)n! >                 OpenVMS 7.1-1H1t > C >    when submitting batch jobs we encounter errors as follows (for $ > example when attempting a backup): >  > , >    BACKUP/IMAGE/NOASSIST/BLOCK=65000/LOG -) >    /SYS$BACK:[000000]LU12_00-07-07.LU - L >     DISK1: TEMP:LU12_00-07-07.BCK/SAVE/LABEL=LUCKY/REWIND/IGNORE=INTERLOCK > ) > %CLI-F-SYNTAX, error parsing 'SNAPSHOT'o< > -CLI-E-ENTNF, specified entity not found in command tables >  > F >    However, this has probably nothing to do with the BACKUP command,F > because we get similar problems when invoking any other .com file inG > batch mode, while the same .com runs normally when directly executed.rI > We do not always get the same error message like above with other batchpO > jobs, but in any case execution of batch jobs is  e x t r e m e l y  s l o w.e > I >    This problem occurs since we applied ECO  ALPSYS20_071 (well, that's.H > my guess, because since  a b o u t  that time these errors occur, I amB > not 100% sure that our problem is related to this system patch). >  >    Thanks for any hints. >  >      Greetings,1 >                  Horst   -- lD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  / Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 08:45:27 +0200 (MET DST)s& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>5 Subject: execution of one command in set of terminalsf/ Message-ID: <200007070552.HAA19167@fom.fgan.de>O   Hello,  K is there any possibility under OpenVMS, to bind a set of terminals togethertB and execute a command within the set typing once? E.g you have ten? terminal windows on your desktop and you will set nine of it to:E "nobroadcast". Normaly you have to activate all nine terminals and touE execute the command. easier would be to have a utility like "sysman",08 which can execute the command on more then one terminal.   TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 13:59:40 GMT 5 From: "headley sappleton" <hsappleton@sprintmail.com>b5 Subject: FA: DIGITAL DECserver 200/MC Terminal Server F Message-ID: <gnl95.37492$NP5.1181586@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  @ http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=375853643E Auction Ends on:                 Sunday, Jul 16, 2000 at 12:28:16 PDT    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 13:26:19 GMTb+ From: "Andy Proctor" <aproctor@hotmail.com>a  Subject: FTP to/from Alpha boxes4 Message-ID: <962976446.595657@talita.eclipse.net.uk>   All,  H I hope someone could help me here. We have some customers running VMS onJ Alpha boxes (From Alpha 3000/300Lx's to PWS500au's and versions 6.2-1h3 toC 7.1-2 VMS) and a small minority are experiencing a strange problem.   G Using UCX (4.2) they are enabling ftp/telnet for both client and serveraJ using UCX$CONFIG, and setting up the relevant IP addresses for thier site.I They are able to successfully TELNET into their Alpha from a PC's and ftpbJ from the Alpha. But they canot FTP from a PC (or UNIX box) into the Alpha.D This is mainly happening on PWS433au units, but now I have this on 1L PWS500au and an Alpha 3000/300. (Error messages are "Connection refused" and 1 customer gets: c:> FTP 192.200.1.200  ftp : connect : 10061P quit c:>"  L As this is happening for more than one customer with different settings I'llI not post the UCX settings, but will if requested. Looking at them though, J there doesn't seem to be anything amiss. That said I am not primarily intoF networking (we supply a software package to run our hardware using theH Alpha) and we dont normally support it's use as the Alphas we supply areE standalone units. These are good customers though and I want to help.e  F I have looked on the web, and in the UCX FAQ for clues but to no avail= (isn't there an FTP FAQ somewhere - with the error messages?)d  G I'm not sure if the problem is caused by the settings they are using, a L problem with hardware or if anything at all to do with VMS. We have a number@ of systems here of the same type and cannot make them go wrong!!  : Any help or suggestions would be most greatfully received.   Thanks   Andy Proctor   ------------------------------    Date: 07 Jul 2000 09:55:24 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>x2 Subject: Re: highwater marking, speed vs. securityH Message-ID: <y4bt0ajrwz.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ) "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes:8  K > > No. AFAIK, RMS direct access files carry a "record is valid" indicator.gM > Depends on what you mean by an "RMS direct access" file:  the original post I > suggests that Fortran uses RMS Sequential files for this purpose, but Ir > can't vouch for that.M  N Sorry for the confusion - yes, I meant relative files. I'm pretty sure Fortran% uses them to implement direct access.3  G > RMS Relative files indeed have a 'record exists' bit in each record's.I > control byte (and a 'record deleted' bit as well, so that a user randomdI > access failure can differentiate between the two conditions).  But thatnM > doesn't intrinsically require that they be treated any differently than RMStJ > Sequential files as far a high-water marking and initialization of spaceL > beyond EOF is concerned (though I'd expect the algorithms not to leave the. > last bucket in the file partially formated).  * That's precisely what I was talking about.   	Jan   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:44:07 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> 2 Subject: Re: highwater marking, speed vs. security( Message-ID: <8k4tp0$9ga$1@pyrite.mv.net>  J Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote inJ message news:y4bt0ajrwz.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de...+ > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes:s >oB > > > No. AFAIK, RMS direct access files carry a "record is valid"
 indicator.J > > Depends on what you mean by an "RMS direct access" file:  the original postK > > suggests that Fortran uses RMS Sequential files for this purpose, but Ir > > can't vouch for that.t > H > Sorry for the confusion - yes, I meant relative files. I'm pretty sure Fortrans' > uses them to implement direct access.  >dI > > RMS Relative files indeed have a 'record exists' bit in each record'ssK > > control byte (and a 'record deleted' bit as well, so that a user randomcK > > access failure can differentiate between the two conditions).  But that K > > doesn't intrinsically require that they be treated any differently than  RMS L > > Sequential files as far a high-water marking and initialization of spaceJ > > beyond EOF is concerned (though I'd expect the algorithms not to leave theD0 > > last bucket in the file partially formated). >@, > That's precisely what I was talking about.  B But what I was saying was that the formating operation need not beJ *completely* done when the space is allocated, as long as it's always doneK all the way to the last bucket written by the application (hence to the EOFaD mark) - which would be somewhat more efficient than pre-formating on/ allocation and then over-writing on population.    - bill   >t > Jano   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 06:40:22 GMTa From: "gci" <gci@free.fr>t Subject: Re: LAVC Clusterb6 Message-ID: <qXe95.5659$kI2.10998892@nnrp4.proxad.net>  E Long time ago I got a .COM writen by nick brown (I hope I dont make a J mistake) to offload I/O from system disk to a local attached device on the workstationsL using  a backup of some more usualy used file to a local tree and redefining SYS$SYSROOTa  L this was in a previous job, may be you can get it form some one else. If not I'll we look for it.  > of course you will need som local space to keep this files ...   cdtw G.Castel   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 09:12:39 -0400T, From: Jeff Schreiber <schreiber@process.com>- Subject: RE: Multinet port numbers being usedL. Message-ID: <009ECB7B.F6796CE2.34@process.com>  ; From: Andrade Jay A CONT NPRI <AndradeJA@NPT.NUWC.NAVY.MIL>x6 >From: Michael Austin [mailto:maustin@nc.prestige.net] >>H >>does anyone know how to tell Multinet to show you what ports are beingD >>used... I am interested in knowing if another package is using the" >>default port for http (port 80). >> >  >MULTINET CONFIG/SERVER.	 >and thent >SERVER-CONFIG>SHOWp >d  C   That is only going to show you the servers that are connected and.E   managed via the multinet master server.  It won't show non-multineth?   services, and it won't even show the port numbers for all theqB   Multinet services either.  The $ MULTINET SHOW /CONN is good forB   active connections, but won't show all the listening connections6   [only those listening on a specific local interface]     Your best bet is:n  '   $ Define mu$sda multinet:multinet$sdao   $ anal/sys   $ mu show/conn  9   And then look at all the connections in "Listn" status.   
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 otryffeicpvaft   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:21:05 GMTr& From: sfm1115@bjcmail.carenet.org (fm) Subject: Obtaining User Inputc0 Message-ID: <3965cab7.61247899@news.starnet.net>  F If I am writing a script which needs to have a user type in an integerF value when prompted, would I use the INQUIRE command in the script and* if so, how to I conver that to an integer.     Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:27:45 +0100a' From: Adrian Birkett <abirkett@csc.com>c! Subject: Re: Obtaining User Inputl' Message-ID: <3965DACE.11AFA82A@csc.com>e  5 Use the lexical function f$integer(string_or_symbol).a  J You will probably need to add some numeric character validation beforehand though.a   Regards,   Adet  	 fm wrote:o  H > If I am writing a script which needs to have a user type in an integerH > value when prompted, would I use the INQUIRE command in the script and, > if so, how to I conver that to an integer. >e > Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 10:42:05 -0400k& From: Ken Robinson <ksrobin@erenj.com>! Subject: Re: Obtaining User Inputo- Message-ID: <3965B3FD.12046.7E7968@localhost>f  ? Also, do not use the "inquire" command, use the "read" command e instead. See HELP on "read".  
 Example:    8 $ read/prompt="Number Please?"/end=label sys$command ans   Ken Robinson OpenVMS Consultant ksrobin@erenj.comn kenrbnsn@rbnsn.com  . On 7 Jul 2000, at 14:27, Adrian Birkett wrote:  7 > Use the lexical function f$integer(string_or_symbol).  > L > You will probably need to add some numeric character validation beforehand	 > though.r > 
 > Regards, >  > Ade. >  > fm wrote:: > J > > If I am writing a script which needs to have a user type in an integerM > > value when prompted, would I use the INQUIRE command in the script and if + > > so, how to I conver that to an integer.i > >.
 > > Thanks >    ------------------------------    Date: 07 Jul 2000 09:50:06 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>r; Subject: Re: OpenVMS loses big, was:  RE: Compaq advertiseslH Message-ID: <y4em56js5t.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>   David,  K I suspect you'll be much nearer using unformatted I/O with Fortran, which Ip/ would consider reasonable for your application.u   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 13:15:36 GMT 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>n Subject: Re: patch coveraget2 Message-ID: <3965D7D5.99C77B46@clarityconnect.com>  E The patch kit VMS712_UPDATE-V0300 has fixes for RMS.  Without knowingWF which specific fix in ALPRMS03_071 the vendor was referring to I can'tG say if this V7.1-2 kit will fix it for you.  Anyway the UPDATE kit is ac> 1 rated kit so you should install it anyway.  Additionally the, VMS712_F11X-V0100 kit is also a 1 rated kit.   Terry Marosites wrote: >  > Hello all, > K >      I am in the middle of moving from a VAX to an Alpha V7.1-2 system My.N > Application is failing my new alpha and the vendor said that I need to applyL > a patch The patch is ALPRMS03_071.    ALPRMS04_071 has superseded this. InH > the documentation for this it references "OpenVMS Alpha V7.1, 7.1-1H1,M > 7.1-1H2" and states that in 7.2 it will be fixed. My question is do I applyiH > this patch or not since it does not reference V7.1-2 .  I can't get anN > answer from the Q since I have maniantence on my VAX not on my alpha as yet.= > (Go figure I am paying higher maintenance for less support)  >  > Terryw > 7 > *****************************************************o > 7 > *****************************************************d6 > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author+ > and do not necessarily represent those ofv > United News& Media.a7 > *****************************************************e6 > The information transmitted is intended only for the3 > person or entity to which it is addressed and may05 > contain confidential and/or privileged material. IfO5 > you are not the intended recipient of this message, 0 > please do not read, copy, use or disclose this5 > communication and notify the sender immediately. Itc2 > should be noted that any review, retransmission,4 > dissemination or other use of, or taking action in/ > reliance upon, this information by persons orc/ > entities other than the intended recipient ism
 > prohibited.:7 > *****************************************************Y > **   -- 0D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2000 17:23:47 GMTe2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: patch coverageh6 Message-ID: <8k53n3$fvk$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   In article <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213019AEEEF@seantexch.unitedad.com>, Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com> writes: J :     I am in the middle of moving from a VAX to an Alpha V7.1-2 system MyM :Application is failing my new alpha and the vendor said that I need to applyo& :a patch The patch is ALPRMS03_071. ..  E   Please inform your vendor that VMSINSTAL-based ECO kits for OpenVMS F   are not used for OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2 and later, and not recommended   for installation.   F   OpenVMS ECO kits for OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2 and later use (only) PCSI.  I :My question is do I apply this patch or not since it does not reference o	 :V7.1-2 .      Please do not apply this kit.p  H   Per the release notes for OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2, that release includes :   the ALPRMS03_071 ECO kit, as well as a number of others.  H   The list of ECOs included in the release notes for V7.1-2 is/was not aH   complete list, as there were fixes included in V7.1-2 that had not yetE   been kitted (and thus named) for V7.1 through V7.1-1H2 (inclusive).B  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:16:45 +0200, From: "Michael Pabel" <michael.pabel@aon.at> Subject: RMS filesize : Message-ID: <3965add9$0$17854@SSP1NO25.highway.telekom.at>   Hello,  ? is there any possibility, to limit the blocksize of a rms file.n@ E.g., if the maximum size is reached, you get an VMS error code./ Does anyone know something like set file, etc.?s   Thanks,y
 Michael Pabel    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 17:18:46 +0200s9 From: mauf@uhu.unizar.es (Miguel Angel Uson Finkenzeller)e Subject: SPX* Message-ID: <00070717184656@uhu.unizar.es>  P     #1           7-JUL-2000 16:44:32.50                                  NEWMAIL From:   SMTP%"beyonder@vrx.net"  To:     Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  CC:t7 Subj:   Re: what is the difference between SPX and non?V  " So the SPX has a built-in adapter?; I have a model76 SPX which just sits there when powered on.	H I put in an 8plane graphics adapter and it at least does the video test.@ Silly question, but this doesn't run VMS, then what DOES it run?   B.   Bart Zorn wrote:  C > The 3100 series workstations (all models, afaik) had a monochromeeL > framebuffer on the motherboard. You could add different color adapters andN > the most well known were the GPX (1024*860*8) and the SPX (1280*1024*8). The3 > latter was a lot faster, but did not support VWS.e    L Both our VaxStations M3100M38 have a SPX badge on them. And they did run VMSM (5.5-2, I think; I cannot check any further right now, since the entire mixednN cluster has been shut down and stored away, as the room is temporarily full of1 bricklayers, electricians, smudgers, painters...)u       Regards   	 M.A. Uson-   ------------------------------  " Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:08:29 GMT0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com>? Subject: Summer 2000 OpenVMS TIMES Now Available on CPQ Website5& Message-ID: <FxC1ut.4uq@world.std.com>  A Compaq today posted the third issue of its OpenVMS TIMES customermH newsletter. Volume 1 Number 3 is a 960KB PDF that can be downloaded from  , http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvmstimes/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 17:19:11 +0100c- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>-C Subject: Re: Summer 2000 OpenVMS TIMES Now Available on CPQ Websitee) Message-ID: <396602FF.C49C025E@bbc.co.uk>    "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:F  C > Compaq today posted the third issue of its OpenVMS TIMES customer)J > newsletter. Volume 1 Number 3 is a 960KB PDF that can be downloaded from >h. > http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvmstimes/  D Terry, you are being modest by not pointing out you have a column in issue 3.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uko  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of0 MedAS or the BBC.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 00:30:48 -0400t* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: Trapping a STOP/IDs- Message-ID: <39655CF8.A6E4C5B5@tsoft-inc.com>e   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > ^ > In article <3964BCEB.AAD2160F@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > > Tim Llewellyn wrote:I > >> If you use the lock manager approach then the monitoring process cano$ > >> be on a different cluster node. > >wI > > But don't you have to grant the application SYSLCK privilege for thattH > > functionality ? I have had customers deny request to have SYSLCK forR > > applications because they felt it was too dangerous. How common is the fear of > > granting SYSLCK ?c > D > Like all privileges, SYSLCK should never be granted to someone who > does not need it.h  P There is a difference between granting unlimited usage of a priv, and installingP an application with the priv. The latter method should be used whenever possible in a production environment.  I To my biased way of thinking, a production environment is where there arenP specific jobs to be performed, and anything outside those jobs (such as things aJ developer or system manager might do) should not be available on a generalK basis.  One of the methods of implementing such an environment is installed,? images, with required privs on the image, not the user account.   L Anytime you are producing a product to be run on other people's systems, theM only assumtion allowed is that no assumptions are allowed.  Providing for the'L needs of a product within the product is a good practice for such software. H Documenting just how you are using a privilege within the product can beG required for the more suspicious (are there any other kind) of securityo	 managers.    Dave   -- e4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------    Date: 07 Jul 2000 09:58:42 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>f Subject: Re: Trapping a STOP/IDsH Message-ID: <y48zvejrrh.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:   H > > If you use the lock manager approach then the monitoring process can# > > be on a different cluster node.@G > But don't you have to grant the application SYSLCK privilege for thatb > functionality ?   M No. A resource's name space is always cluster-wide. SYSLCK is required if youlJ want a resource to be in the system namespace (visible to everyone) and/or if it has to be permanent.   	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2000 15:17:25 GMTf2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Trapping a STOP/IDs6 Message-ID: <8k4sa5$evo$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Y In article <39647C52.CBCA5637@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:i :Hoff Hoffman wrote:E :>   And please note that no matter what you do, a hard-stop is stillhE :>   possible as a result of a system (eg: power) failure -- you willaH :>   likely want to survive this case, so you thus have the same problemD :>   of handling (recovering from) $delprc.  Thus the correct way toF :>   "block" a $delprc is to simply remove the privilege(s) of anybodyI :>   that is unauthorized to or that proves otherwise unable to correctlyg= :>  use it.  (Administrative retribution, in other words. :-)  :tE :If you use the lock manager approach then the monitoring process can   :be on a different cluster node.  J   True.  The "bipedal gremlin" -- a user that probably should not possess H   any privilege beyond than TMPMBX and NETMBX, much less possessing the H   rather powerful GROUP or WORLD privileges -- can also be located on a F   cluster member node other than the node that is running the $delprc J   target process.  That you are running a process on another cluster node G   does not render you safe from brain-cramp or other failures among thejJ   local family of privileged h. sapiens users, nor from failures resultingC   from those h. sapiens with physical access to the system console.mJ   ("You can RUN/DETACH, but you can't hide."  Well, yes, actually you can J   (at least partially) hide, but that's fodder for another discussion. :-)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 17:06:59 +0100-- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>0 Subject: Re: Trapping a STOP/IDb) Message-ID: <39660023.18F2DC92@bbc.co.uk>l   Hoff Hoffman wrote:g   >L > :sG > :If you use the lock manager approach then the monitoring process canR" > :be on a different cluster node. >:K >   True.  The "bipedal gremlin" -- a user that probably should not possesstI >   any privilege beyond than TMPMBX and NETMBX, much less possessing the I >   rather powerful GROUP or WORLD privileges -- can also be located on a0G >   cluster member node other than the node that is running the $delprcdK >   target process.  That you are running a process on another cluster nodeaI >   does not render you safe from brain-cramp or other failures among thecL >   local family of privileged h. sapiens users, nor from failures resultingE >   from those h. sapiens with physical access to the system console.uK >   ("You can RUN/DETACH, but you can't hide."  Well, yes, actually you caniL >   (at least partially) hide, but that's fodder for another discussion. :-) >e  N Sure Hoff, so you have a disaster tolerant dual sited cluster with independantL power and redundant WAN connections, and run several of the monitor programsS on different nodes at each site, and have a separate program to monitor the monitorMT programs and restart them if necessary, and you disuser all accounts with more privsL that NETMBX and TMPMBX, now thats what I call a locked down system, you need@ console access to do a minimum boot and enable a priv'd account.   :-)s  T At least with VMS if its setup "properly" you at least stand a chance of finding outO which of your priv'd users messed up and shutdown the wrong system or whatever. 3 Unlike the systems that have root and adminstrator.    --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofa MedAS or the BBC.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 13:57:29 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e Subject: Re: Trapping a STOP/IDa, Message-ID: <39661A03.5399EEF2@videotron.ca>   David A Froble wrote:NO > only assumtion allowed is that no assumptions are allowed.  Providing for the M > needs of a product within the product is a good practice for such software. J > Documenting just how you are using a privilege within the product can beI > required for the more suspicious (are there any other kind) of securityp > managers.z  M Is it the general opinion here that when one system manager denied my request-G to grant the app SYSLCK  this was overly paranoid, and that most systemm# managers would not object to this ?u  M This would have been the best way to synchronise a server with general users. L The general users would have taken a lock, released when their work was doneL and ready to be processed by the server (obviously automatically released if0 connection was broken, user terminated session).  M I ended up getting the server to maintain its own list of logged in users andnG waiting for the user to log off before proceeding with the processing).-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 08:34:27 -0400n From: jlahman@LTVSteel.com Subject: UNSUB INFO-VAXn8 Message-ID: <85256915.0045D698.00@notesnta.LTVSteel.com>   UNSUB INFO-VAX   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 05:59:48 GMTn! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>u4 Subject: what is the difference between SPX and non?' Message-ID: <3965718A.3DCBF6A2@vrx.net>e  H I have a vaxstation3100 model76 with the letters "SPX" on the casing, is< there any differences between this and a "normal" vs3100m76?   Less or more powerful, etc?g   Thanks.B   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:20:36 +0200, From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl>8 Subject: Re: what is the difference between SPX and non?+ Message-ID: <8k40dn$19c4$1@buty.wanadoo.nl>M  A The 3100 series workstations (all models, afaik) had a monochrome,J framebuffer on the motherboard. You could add different color adapters andL the most well known were the GPX (1024*860*8) and the SPX (1280*1024*8). The1 latter was a lot faster, but did not support VWS.    Hth,  	 Bart Zorno  . "Beyonder" <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote in message! news:3965718A.3DCBF6A2@vrx.net... J > I have a vaxstation3100 model76 with the letters "SPX" on the casing, is> > there any differences between this and a "normal" vs3100m76? >  > Less or more powerful, etc?- >-	 > Thanks.7 >l   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 07:33:14 -0400u2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>4 Subject: what is the difference between SPX and non?6 Message-ID: <200007070733_MC2-AB6A-E51@compuserve.com>  G         SPX is the type of graphics support.   I think it may have beenh
 1280x1024.    Message text written by BeyonderJ >I have a vaxstation3100 model76 with the letters "SPX" on the casing, is=  < there any differences between this and a "normal" vs3100m76?   Less or more powerful, etc?t <e   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2000 10:39:26 -05007, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)8 Subject: Re: what is the difference between SPX and non?+ Message-ID: <eb8LhYCHIE7M@eisner.decus.org>w  K In article <3965718A.3DCBF6A2@vrx.net>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:tJ > I have a vaxstation3100 model76 with the letters "SPX" on the casing, is> > there any differences between this and a "normal" vs3100m76? >  > Less or more powerful, etc?t >   2    The SPX is "better", better graphics chip IIRC.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:34:35 +01005 From: "Adrian Lumsden" <A.Lumsden@spamtrap.xdt.co.uk> 8 Subject: Re: what is the difference between SPX and non?. Message-ID: <8k4o9e$712$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>  2 And didn't there used to be a trick you could pull/ by wiring a special connector so that you could.* drive both a monochrome and colour monitor% at the same time? I.E. making a cheapa dual headed workstation.   regards,   Adrian   --( Adrian Lumsden, XDT Computer Systems, UK" A dot Lumsden at xdt dot co dot uk    5 Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl> wrote in message*% news:8k40dn$19c4$1@buty.wanadoo.nl...oC > The 3100 series workstations (all models, afaik) had a monochromeeH > framebuffer on the motherboard. You could add different color adapters and*; > the most well known were the GPX (1024*860*8) and the SPXn (1280*1024*8). The3 > latter was a lot faster, but did not support VWS.i >o > Hth, >a > Bart Zorng >m0 > "Beyonder" <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote in message# > news:3965718A.3DCBF6A2@vrx.net...eA > > I have a vaxstation3100 model76 with the letters "SPX" on thee
 casing, is@ > > there any differences between this and a "normal" vs3100m76? > >t > > Less or more powerful, etc?t > >n > > Thanks.u > >t >  >o   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:26:44 GMT ! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>*8 Subject: Re: what is the difference between SPX and non?' Message-ID: <3965E84A.25466F14@vrx.net>V  " So the SPX has a built-in adapter?; I have a model76 SPX which just sits there when powered on.	H I put in an 8plane graphics adapter and it at least does the video test.@ Silly question, but this doesn't run VMS, then what DOES it run?   B.   Bart Zorn wrote:  C > The 3100 series workstations (all models, afaik) had a monochromevL > framebuffer on the motherboard. You could add different color adapters andN > the most well known were the GPX (1024*860*8) and the SPX (1280*1024*8). The3 > latter was a lot faster, but did not support VWS.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:46:58 +0100* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>8 Subject: Re: what is the difference between SPX and non?+ Message-ID: <8k4qh3$veu@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   P "Beyonder" <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote in message news:3965E84A.25466F14@vrx.net...$ > So the SPX has a built-in adapter?= > I have a model76 SPX which just sits there when powered on.iJ > I put in an 8plane graphics adapter and it at least does the video test.B > Silly question, but this doesn't run VMS, then what DOES it run?  = It does run VMS, it doesn't run VWS. The SPX graphics adapterk@ was (is?) only supported via X. That was a show stopper for some people at the time...r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 17:10:00 +0100-- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>e8 Subject: Re: what is the difference between SPX and non?) Message-ID: <396600D8.AF1D9B9D@bbc.co.uk>-   Richard Brodie wrote:   R > "Beyonder" <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote in message news:3965E84A.25466F14@vrx.net...& > > So the SPX has a built-in adapter?? > > I have a model76 SPX which just sits there when powered on.aL > > I put in an 8plane graphics adapter and it at least does the video test.D > > Silly question, but this doesn't run VMS, then what DOES it run? > ? > It does run VMS, it doesn't run VWS. The SPX graphics adapterSB > was (is?) only supported via X. That was a show stopper for some > people at the time...   H then again, the GPX was optimized for VWS, whereas the SPX was optimised  for X/DECWindows, as I remember.  C VWS is the pre-DECWindows propietary-to_Digital graphical windowingn system for VAXStations.        --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukS  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofS MedAS or the BBC.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 22:41:50 +0500  From: Dan <dan@vrx.net>l8 Subject: Re: what is the difference between SPX and non?' Message-ID: <3966165E.515B960C@vrx.net>0  A Ah, sorry, I saw VWS and thought it said VMS (misread it). Sorry.f6 Thanks for all the info. Now if only the thing worked.Q At least I'm getting a replacement motherboard shipped, and a color option board.8   Dan.   Tim Llewellyn wrote:   > Richard Brodie wrote:e > T > > "Beyonder" <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote in message news:3965E84A.25466F14@vrx.net...( > > > So the SPX has a built-in adapter?A > > > I have a model76 SPX which just sits there when powered on.eN > > > I put in an 8plane graphics adapter and it at least does the video test.F > > > Silly question, but this doesn't run VMS, then what DOES it run? > >-A > > It does run VMS, it doesn't run VWS. The SPX graphics adapterhD > > was (is?) only supported via X. That was a show stopper for some > > people at the time...D >FJ > then again, the GPX was optimized for VWS, whereas the SPX was optimised" > for X/DECWindows, as I remember. >1E > VWS is the pre-DECWindows propietary-to_Digital graphical windowingv > system for VAXStations./ >  > --8 > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project2 > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.C > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uks >eC > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofo > MedAS or the BBC.y   --" -There are always possibilities...   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2000 09:43:21 PDTaT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)7 Subject: Re: [Q] Does VMS support IDE for system disks?n3 Message-ID: <MM2Et+SvcKpu@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>r  3 In article <39654366.4F1F3844@triton.com.no.spam>,  /     	Jay Olson <jjo@triton.com.no.spam> writes:   C > Yes it does. I have a DS10L sitting on my desk which has only IDEiG > drives: the 10 Gb IDE system disk and an IDE CDROM (plus the floppy).-  ,         Way cool!!!  At VMS 7.2-1 I presume?               -Ken -- <M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu6:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2000 17:05:36 GMTl2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)7 Subject: Re: [Q] Does VMS support IDE for system disks? , Message-ID: <8k52l0$47r@gap.cco.caltech.edu>   In article <afdFIyzMH7yB@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) writes:I >        What I'd like to know is whether  IDE drives are now, or will be I >    in  the (near) future, supported on VMS/Alpha as a system disk?   IfuI >    not, I wouldn't mind hearing the usual litany of problems  that  IDEw< >    poses vis-a-vis support by VMS and/or performance, etc.  J I installed 7.2-1 on a DS10 with an IDE disk and ran it that way for a dayK or so for some network benchmarking tests.  The IDE disk didn't give me anylI problems. I did not test the speed of the disk, but if it's anything likeeL IDE vs. SCSI on WNT, then the IDE drive will be considerably slower.  Which I is about the last thing we need these days on VMS running on DS10s :-(.  yI On the plus side, the el cheapo S3 graphics card in that machine did work F with DECwindows, so if all you need is really minimal graphics on that- machine you don't need to spring for an Elsa.i  I As an experiment I tried to install OpenVMS on the second SCSI disk on a nH third DS10 with an intraserver card that wasn't a "v" variant.  No go - H there was a message about an unsupported device and that was the end of H that attempt.  One can only hope that the linux/Alpha will work properlyK with the "v" variants, else you won't be able to make a dual boot Linux/VMS- box (should you care to try.)l   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edue? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech I   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2000 10:22:16 PDToT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)7 Subject: Re: [Q] Does VMS support IDE for system disks?e3 Message-ID: <T1Ay9LomeCnN@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>t  a In article <8k52l0$47r@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:  > In article <afdFIyzMH7yB@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) writes:J >>        What I'd like to know is whether  IDE drives are now, or will beJ >>    in  the (near) future, supported on VMS/Alpha as a system disk?   IfJ >>    not, I wouldn't mind hearing the usual litany of problems  that  IDE= >>    poses vis-a-vis support by VMS and/or performance, etc.t > L > I installed 7.2-1 on a DS10 with an IDE disk and ran it that way for a dayM > or so for some network benchmarking tests.  The IDE disk didn't give me anysK > problems. I did not test the speed of the disk, but if it's anything likesJ > IDE vs. SCSI on WNT, then the IDE drive will be considerably slower. ...  H         Thanks David.  That's the  sort  of  thing  I was interested in,H     that the IDE would "work" (and I just received confirmation from JayH     Olson that his DS10L came with VMS 7.2-1 FIS on the 10GB IDE drive),H     but  that there _are_ performance differences between IDE and  SCSI,H     the SCSI being "UltraSCSI" in the present case.  Can  someone  quote     bandwidth numbers for IDE?           Thanks, Ken  --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Eduw:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2000 17:36:48 GMTf2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)7 Subject: Re: [Q] Does VMS support IDE for system disks?/6 Message-ID: <8k54fg$fvk$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  V In article <3964FEBC.3C2DBCE1@GCE.com>, "Glenn C. Everhart" <Everhart@GCE.com> writes:> :I cannot tell if IDE is or ever will be supported as a system :disk.    G   IDE-based OpenVMS Alpha bootstraps -- from (supported) IDE disks and  D   IDE controllers -- is fully supported.   Given what I've seen withH   the vagaries of IDE, I'd not stray particularly far from the supported   devices and configurations.0  9 :However I CAN tell you that VMS booted on the IDE driver ; :from the freeware CDs over 4 years ago; that was a pre-7.1rB :Alpha VMS version. Look in relnotes and docs for something called; :"third party boot" which was designed to allow booting off  :most anything.   H   OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-1H2 was the first OpenVMS release with (primitive) A   third-party  boot.  Various changes were made and the V7.1-1H2 eH   third-party bootstrap using VMSINSTAL kits was replaced in V7.1-2 and /   later with PCSI-based third-party bootstraps.h  G   Yes, at some point I need to shake loose the directions for using theiK   third-party bootstrap, if they have not found their way into the manuals.aK   This third-party bootstrap involves the use of a floppy or similar media m4   kit to supplement a standard CD-ROM bootstrap kit.  D   Various Compaq OpenVMS ECO kit has used this third-party bootstrapE   mechanism.  And interestingly, the salient example is the kit that a   first added IDE support.  8 :Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515 wrote: :> aK :>         Apropos the recent discussion about "Affordable VMS" systems, inhK :>     one of my contributions to  that  thread, I asked whether IDE drivesnK :>     are  supported as a VMS system disk?  This is motivated by the  factXK :>     that configuring a DS10(L) with a SCSI disk and  requisite  PCI-SCSIaK :>     adapter adds nearly $700 to the cost of the system compared to usings :>     an IDE drive internally.a ..  I   The pre-configured AlphaServer DS10L IDE system disk bootstrap is fully G   supported by recent OpenVMS Alpha versions -- if it's broken, we needrE   to look at it.  Stray too far from the supported configurations andeH   IDE widgets, though, and you will have problems -- even when compared $   to SCSI, IDE can be pretty flakey.  9   I'd use OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1 for the AlphaServer DS10L.t  C   There are IDE-related ECO kits out -- look for the DQDRIVER kits.e  K   Some Personal Workstation -au series boxes can also boot from IDE -- the aJ   ones with the Cypress chip.  -au boxes with the Intel SIO cannot, thoughH   these can be manually configured to access the IDE CD-ROM once booted.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.377 ************************