1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 08 Jul 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 378       Contents:- Re: ANNOUNCING: MegaPOVRay v0.5a For OpenVMS. - Re: ANNOUNCING: MegaPOVRay v0.5a For OpenVMS. - Re: ANNOUNCING: MegaPOVRay v0.5a For OpenVMS. - Re: ANNOUNCING: MegaPOVRay v0.5a For OpenVMS.  Re: Application Future ? Re: DEC C Question *variable ++ 7 Re: Disk I/O Performance (was Re: OpenVMS loses big...) 7 Re: Disk I/O Performance (was Re: OpenVMS loses big...) 7 Re: Disk I/O Performance (was Re: OpenVMS loses big...)  Don't miss this opportunity!4 Re: EMCion - Enterprise Management Center Ion .,.,,. Re: error parsing 'snapshot' Re: FTP to/from Alpha boxes ) Re: highwater marking, speed vs. security ) Re: highwater marking, speed vs. security ) Re: highwater marking, speed vs. security ) Re: highwater marking, speed vs. security   Re: INFO ON BACKUP START UP TAPE3 Is older Alpha hardware no good for Seagate discs ? 7 Re: Is older Alpha hardware no good for Seagate discs ? 7 Re: Is older Alpha hardware no good for Seagate discs ? 7 Re: Is older Alpha hardware no good for Seagate discs ? $ Re: Multinet port numbers being used$ RE: Multinet port numbers being used Re: Obtaining User Input ODS-5 support on VAX Re: ODS-5 support on VAX2 Re: OpenVMS loses big, was:  RE: Compaq advertises2 Re: OpenVMS loses big, was:  RE: Compaq advertises2 Re: OpenVMS loses big, was:  RE: Compaq advertises PC counter.  Re: PC counter.  Re: PC counter.  Re: PC counter. 1 Re: Porting NSK apps and OS? (was Re: OpenVMS ... : Re: Summer 2000 OpenVMS TIMES Now Available on CPQ Website: Re: Summer 2000 OpenVMS TIMES Now Available on CPQ Website# Re: Sybase TCP errors on Alpha VMS. # Re: Sybase TCP errors on Alpha VMS. 
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 Telnet script  The Secrets of Business  Re: Trapping a STOP/ID Re: Trapping a STOP/ID RE: Tutorial Re: Very Large RMS Files Re: We need VMS people Re: We need VMS people/ Re: what is the difference between SPX and non? / Re: what is the difference between SPX and non? / Re: what is the difference between SPX and non? . Re: [Q] Does VMS support IDE for system disks?. Re: [Q] Does VMS support IDE for system disks?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2000 22:06:17 GMT  From: Warp <warp@cs.tut.fi> 6 Subject: Re: ANNOUNCING: MegaPOVRay v0.5a For OpenVMS.* Message-ID: <8k5k8p$lbm$1@baker.cc.tut.fi>  G In comp.graphics.rendering.raytracing Ken <tylereng@pacbell.net> wrote: ? : POV-Ray is cross platform compatible which necessitates using 
 : IEEE_FLOAT.   ?   I'm not sure if I understood correctly what you mean by this. F   The fact is that there's one place in the povray code (the radiosityI code IIRC) where there's non-portable non-standard code that assumes that H IEEE floats are used (for some drastical optimizations). IEEE floats are- used in most platforms, but not on every one.    --  G main(i,_){for(_?--i,main(i+2,"FhhQHFIJD|FQTITFN]zRFHhhTBFHhhTBFysdB"[i] I ):5;i&&_>1;printf("%s",_-70?_&1?"[]":" ":(_=0,"\n")),_/=2);} /*- Warp -*/    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2000 23:06 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 6 Subject: Re: ANNOUNCING: MegaPOVRay v0.5a For OpenVMS., Message-ID: <7JUL200023065836@gerg.tamu.edu>  r In article <V6795.27921$FQ.2408917@news0.telusplanet.net>, "Gord Coulman" <nospam_gcoulman@ccinet.ab.ca> writes... }Yes, but what does it do? }  }Gord.  J MOstly, what non-Mega POV does, but more. It's a set of updates/patches to: the base POVray code that adds a bunch of spiffy features.  K If you mean "what is POVray", then the answer is that it is the Persistance M of Vision Raytracer. I.E. a freeware image generator that uses the raytracing G method to get its result, with the input being a text file listing what J 3-D objects are in in the scene and where they are and other details about3 the scene such as the textures on the objects, etc.    --- Carl  = }Robert Alan Byer <byer@mail.ourservers.net> wrote in message . }news:3963DF2D.7A6EA4B4@mail.ourservers.net...+ }> Announcing MegaPOVRay v0.5a for OpenVMS. / }> (Yes, it's a month late, but I've been busy)  }># }> Here's what's new/fixed/removed.  }> }>   REMOVED GIF SUPPORT8 }> (potential legal issued reguarding the Unisys patnet)# }>   fixed docs for pigment_pattern 1 }>   fixed disc problems (removed fastdisc patch) . }>   fixed bug with photons on average texture1 }>   fixed bug with media method 3 when samples=1 B }>   fixed bug with parsing backwards compatibility and unofficial }> version number  }>   added fastsphere patch  }>   added fastpoly patch F }>   fixed "bug" with mesh (MegaPOV didn't ignore degenerate triangles* }> if uv mapping was used in the triangle) }>   fixed bug with tff  }>   fixed bug with csqr }>E }> Again, currently only the Alpha platform is supported with MegaPOV A }> because it requires the IEE_FLOAT mode which VAX dosen't have.  }>' }> You can get the latest version at...  }>+ }> http://www.ourservers.net/openvms_ports/  }>> }> If you have any problems or questions, feel free to e-mail. }> }> --  }>C }>  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+ C }>  | Robert Alan Byer | byer@mail.ourservers.net | ICQ #65926579 | C }>  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+ C }>  | Send an E-mail request to obtain a copy of my PGP key.      | C }>  +-------------------------------------------------------------+ C }>  | "It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.  It is by | C }>  |  cans of cola the thoughts aquire speed, the hands aquire   | C }>  |  shakes, the shakes become a warning.  It is by caffeine    | C }>  |  alone I set my mind in motion."                            | C }>  +-------------------------------------------------------------+    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2000 23:01 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 6 Subject: Re: ANNOUNCING: MegaPOVRay v0.5a For OpenVMS., Message-ID: <7JUL200023010833@gerg.tamu.edu>  g In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-tbt9hMs2D6GS@localhost>, djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) writes... / }On Sun, 6 Jul 3900 01:21:49, Robert Alan Byer  " }<byer@mail.ourservers.net> wrote: } E }> Again, currently only the Alpha platform is supported with MegaPOV A }> because it requires the IEE_FLOAT mode which VAX dosen't have.  } D }Just out of curiosity, why is IEEE_FLOAT a necessity? What's wrong  }with G_, F_, D_floatings? }  }Cheers - Dave.   J Blame the person who wrote the radiosity related stuff - as far as I couldM tell when I did a port a few years back, that was the only part that required E IEEE floats. Why does it require them? Because it does direct bitwise F operations on the floating point data. I have no idea why. Everybody IH have mentioned this to (including at least one POVray developer) agreees& that this is a really bad thing to do.  L In theory, you should be able to build POV on a VAX and have everything workN except radiosity. You could either trim that out of the program, or just build; it and expect trouble if you ever try to use the radiosity.   G Note that this is for just plain old POV. I havn't checked the MeagaPOV J updates. It is posisble that they do something similar to the stupid thing that the radiosity code does.    --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jul 2000 06:24:35 GMT - From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) 6 Subject: Re: ANNOUNCING: MegaPOVRay v0.5a For OpenVMS.5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-JjiDckWhhSBX@localhost>   E On Sun, 7 Jul 3900 23:01:00, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote:   F > }Just out of curiosity, why is IEEE_FLOAT a necessity? What's wrong  > }with G_, F_, D_floatings?     L > Blame the person who wrote the radiosity related stuff - as far as I couldO > tell when I did a port a few years back, that was the only part that required G > IEEE floats. Why does it require them? Because it does direct bitwise H > operations on the floating point data. I have no idea why. Everybody IJ > have mentioned this to (including at least one POVray developer) agreees( > that this is a really bad thing to do.  E Thanks for explanation Carl. It does sound a bit iffy. However,  I'm  C sure the author would have a 'good' reason for having done it that  F way. No doubt speed will have been the main factor. I have to confess F that I have a piece of Macro-32 somewhere that I use to twiddle a bit F to convert IEEE to F_Floating. But its not really used in anger. I've  never quite trusted it 100%.   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:13:22 -0400% From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian> ! Subject: Re: Application Future ? $ Message-ID: <39662f55$1@news.si.com>  I >Unfortunately, the VMS port of Netscape 3.x seems to have no support for F >plugins, at least according to the Digits that I asked about it a few >years back.  H Maybe not plug-ins, but helper-apps (like Ghostview, xpdf, and the like)I work just fine.  I have in my login directory a file called MAILCAP. that 	 contains:   % video/mpeg; mcr decw_com:mpeg_play %s % application/pdf; mcr decw_com:xpdf %s  application/x-dvi; xdvi %s    + and a file called MIME.TYPES that contains:   7 #--Netscape Communications Corporation MIME Information D #Do not delete the above line. It is used to identify the file type. # $ #mime types added by Netscape Helper type=video/mpeg  \ desc="MPEG Video"  \! exts="mpeg,mpg,mpe,mpv,vbs,mpegv" $ #mime types added by Netscape Helper type=application/pdf  \ " desc="Portable Document Format"  \
 exts="pdf"$ #mime types added by Netscape Helper type=application/x-dvi  \  desc="TeX DVI Data"  \
 exts="dvi"  H This enables Navigator 3.03 (and Lynx) to use the defined helper apps by popping up a separate window.  --  A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2000 22:48 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) ( Subject: Re: DEC C Question *variable ++, Message-ID: <7JUL200022484443@gerg.tamu.edu>  1 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes...  }Carl Perkins wrote:B }> Compare the meanings of these two interpretations of your code: }>   }> *(length ++); }> (*length) ++; }>  O }> I expect that the former is what you got, but the latter is what you wanted.  } M }Well, obviously, it seems to be a problem of precedence. But I was wondering K }if  the expected ANSI behaviour would have been to compile *length ++ into  }(*length) ++ .  } ' }Also, consider the difference between:  } ) }*(length ++) ;	and	myvar = *(length ++);  } O }If the standard is really to compile into *(length ++), shouldn't the compiler M }have issued an error because *length ++ ; as a standalone statement does not N }make sense ? Sure, it increments the pointer, but it then places the value at= }the new pointer on the stack but makes no use of that value.  } ? }Wouldn't the compiler complain if I had a statements such as :  } 
 }*length ; }25 ;  }2 + 2 ; }  }? ? ?  I I would say that yes, it should issue a warning. I suspect that this does  not help you very much.   M It might even have one to issue, but not issue it in the mode you are running M the compiler in (the default settigns for /STANDARD and such are not the most N strict ones). Perhaps you should see what happens if you use /WARN=ENABLE=ALL.J In the old version that I have, this doesn't help. Maybe it has been addedN in a newer version (mine is still at 5.5-002, which is more than 3 years old).   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 19:29:56 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>@ Subject: Re: Disk I/O Performance (was Re: OpenVMS loses big...)6 Message-ID: <200007071930_MC2-AB88-465@compuserve.com>  J         Don't forget that there is rotational latency for each request ev= enC if the file is being written sequentially and the heads are already J positioned at the proper cylinder.  On the RZ29B-VW that was in use, this=  J works out to approximately 4.16 milliseconds per request.  It might be ev= enH worse if SCSI command processing was small compared to the latency; thenH the drive would have to make a almost a full revolution before beginningJ the next request.  If you write the request out of sequential order; e.g.=  G start writing in the middle of the request and write the beginning when H those sectors come around, you take more than a full revolution to writeG your dinky little 16 block request (as nearly as I can find out, that's : what Oracle is doing; an 8k block size for all occasions!)    # Message text written by "Bill Todd" < >Richard B. Gilbert <DRAGON@compuserve.com> wrote in message1 news:200007062103_MC2-AB62-6E5A@compuserve.com... C >         But simply flooding the disk with I/O requests is not the  solutionF > either.  You need to flood the disk with BIG I/O requests.  Four I/OJ > requests for 125 blocks each will run a lot faster than 500 requests fo= r  > one block each.   @ Only because SCSI command processing happens to take longer thanA transferring a single block does:  otherwise, the request size is 
 irrelevantG to streaming bandwidth, as long as you keep at least one request always  queued at the drive.  E And in the context of this discussion, 125 blocks is not particularly  large,J and in fact is within the VMS QIO size limit that has been brought up as = a E possible problem (which it isn't, at least in this context, since for J sequential access 125-block requests will stream at the maximum data rate=   ofJ the drive, because the transfer time *does* exceed the command-processing=  / time and thus the queue can be kept non-empty).   G >         I've seen an Oracle import running like a dog with a peak I/O J > request queue on a disk of 498 requests and an average of about 90.  Th= e H > disk had no lack of work to do but it was not accomplishing very much.  C If it was not transferring at maximum bandwidth, it was because the  requestsJ weren't physically sequential on the drive.  Or because they were so smal= l J that the command processing overhead exceeded the transfer time (as noted=  J above), though in that case you would see the queue form in the driver, n= ot at the disk.   - bill   <    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 21:40:19 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> @ Subject: Re: Disk I/O Performance (was Re: OpenVMS loses big...)( Message-ID: <8k60mn$lb0$1@pyrite.mv.net>  ; Richard B. Gilbert <DRAGON@compuserve.com> wrote in message 0 news:200007071930_MC2-AB88-465@compuserve.com...H >         Don't forget that there is rotational latency for each request evenE > if the file is being written sequentially and the heads are already $ > positioned at the proper cylinder.  K No, there is not (not on normal SCSI drives, anyway).  As long as the write G requests are queued to the drive asynchronously, such that the drive is L always in possession of the next request when the current one completes, the9 data will be streamed onto the disk without interruption.    - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2000 22:08:33 CDT = From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.000880.killspam.00bd (Wayne Sewell) @ Subject: Re: Disk I/O Performance (was Re: OpenVMS loses big...). Message-ID: <vpQvbFs1bqh8@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  V In article <3964F6AB.6912043A@GCE.com>, "Glenn C. Everhart" <Everhart@GCE.com> writes:    5 > Fragavoid does this, edits io$_modify on the fly...  >   J Any relation to Freakazoid?  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So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office C (1-800-725-2161 24-hrs) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal!m  C After determining the program was LEGAL I decided "WHY NOT!?!?!?!?"b  G Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails.  It cost me about $15 for my time wL on-line. The great thing about e-mail is that I don't need any for printing J to send out the program, and because I also send the product (reports) by # e-mail, my only expense is my time.   ; In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for 
 REPORT # 1G By January 13 I had received 26 orders for REPORT # 1. Your goal is to eH "RECEIVE at least 20  ORDERS  FOR  REPORT #1  WITHIN  2  WEEKS,  IF YOU ) DON'T,  SEND MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO".-  K My first step in making $50,000 in 90 days was done.  By January 30, I had  I received 196 orders for  REPORT  #2. Your goal is to "RECEIVE  AT  LEAST  !  100  +  ORDERS   FOR  REPORT  #2 J WITHIN  2  WEEKS, IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE  PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO.  ONCE YOU F HAVE 100  ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000  GOAL".  J Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT  # 2.  96 more than I needed.  So I sat I back and relaxed.  By March 1, of my E-mailing of 10,000, I had received  L $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a  much needed new car!  J Please take your time to read this plan, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER 6 $!!!!!!!  Remember, it won't work if you don't try it.  7 This program does work, BUT you must follow it EXACTLY!e  K Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place.mH It won't work and you'll lose out on a lot of money!  In order for this K program to work, you must meet your goal 0f 20+ orders for REPORT # 1, and  H 100+ orders for REPORT # 2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 90 days.  & I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS !!!!!!  L If you choose not to participate in this program, I am sorry.  It really is 7 a great opportunity with little cost or no risk to you.a  = If you choose to participate, follow the program and you willd9 be on your way to financial security. If you are a fellowt> business owner and are in financial trouble like I was, or you@ want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID $$$  
 Sincerely, Johnathan Rourke  4                          **************************   4 A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM:L By the time you have read the enclosed program and reports, you should have J concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been > created by an amateur.  Let me tell you a little about myself.  K I had a profitable business for 10 years.  Then in 1979  my business began yJ falling off.  I was doing the same things that were previously successful J for me, but it wasn't working.  Finally, I figured it out. It was not me, E it was the economy.  Inflation and recession had replaced the stable -) economy that had been with us since 1945.u  J I don't have to tell you what happened to the employment rate.... because K many of you know from first hand experience.  There were more failures and aK bankruptcies than ever before.  The middle class was vanishing.  Those who aK knew what they were doing invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, rI including those who never had anything to save or to invest, were moving dK down into the ranks of the poor.  As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER E AND THE POOR GET POORER."d  J The traditional methods of making money will never allow you to "move up" * or "get rich", inflation will see to that.  K You have just received information that can give you Financial-Freedom for eI the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." eJ  You can make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagi  I ned.  I should also point out that I will not see a penny of this money, n@ nor anyone else who has provided a testimonial for this program.  I I have retired from the program after sending thousands and thousands of :I programs. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED.  Do not change it in FL any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now.  Remember to e-mail a copy I of this exciting report to everyone you can think of.  One of the people gJ you send this to may send out 50,000... and your name will be on everyone  of them!  I REMEMBER though,~~~~ the MORE YOU SEND OUT, the more potential customers  H you will reach.  So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, < materials and opportunity to become financially independent.  % IT IS UP TO YOU !!!    NOW DO IT !!!!   I BEFORE YOU delete this program from your in box, as I almost did, take a i2 little time to read it and  REALLY THINK ABOUT IT.  L Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate.  Figure H out the worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you G will still make a lot of money!  You will definitely get back what you cG invested. Any doubt you have will vanish when you first orders come in.    $$$$$ IT WORKS!!! $$$$$d   Jody Jacobs Richmond, VA  $ HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL$ MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS  $$$$$  < This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME.G I am sure that you could use up to $50,000 or more in the next 90 days.,L Before you say "BULL...", please read this program care-fully.  This is not : a chain letter, but a perfect legal money making business.  L As with all multi-level businesses, we build our business by recruiting new H partners and selling our products.  Every state in the USA allow you to E recruit new multi-level business partners, and we sell and deliver a t" product for EVERY dollar received.  * YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY> E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it@ privately in your own home, store or office. This is the EASIEST= marketing plan anywhere! It is simply order filling by E-maile  E The product is informational and instructional material, keys to the oD secrets for everyone on how to open the doors to the magic world of = E-COMMERCE, the information high-way, the wave of the future!l  
 PLAN SUMMARY:(K (1) You order the 4 reports listed below ($5US each).  They come to you by + e-mail.yI (2) Save a copy of this entire letter and put your name after Report # 1 t and move the other names down.H (3) Via the internet, access Yahoo.com or any of the other major search G engines to locate hundreds of bulk email service companies (search for hJ "bulk email") and have them send 25,000 - 50,000 e-mail for you about $49  +.J (4) Orders will come to you by postal mail - simply email them the Report D they ordered. Let me ask you - isn't this about as easy as it gets?.  H By the way there are over 50 MILLION email addresses with millions more E joining the Internet each year so don't worry about "running out" or n> "saturation".  People are used to seeing and hearing the same ) advertisements every day on radio and TV.o  K How many times have you received the same pizza flyers on your door?  Then  K one day you are hungry for a pizza and you order one. Same thing with this iL letter.  I received this letter many times  - then one day I decided it was  time to try it.-    / YOU CAN START TODAY - JUST DO THESE EASY STEPS:R  ! STEP # 1.  ORDER THE FOUR REPORTS.K Order the four Reports shown on the list below (you can't sell them if you gK don't order them). - For each Report send $5.00 US CASH, the NAME & NUMBER  L OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR NAME & RETURN H ADDRESS (in case of a problem ) to the person whose name appears on the  list next to the report.F MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE IN CASE OF ANY MAIL 	 PROBLEMS!I  I Within a few days you will receive, by e-mail, each of the four reports. eI Save them on your computer so you can send them to the 1,000's of people o who will order them from you. * STEP # 2. ADD YOUR MAILING ADDRESS TO THIS LETTER.g2 A. Look below for the listing of the four reports.K B. After you've ordered the four reports delete the name and address under u6 REPORT # 4. This person has made it through the cycle.A C. Move the name and address under REPORT # 3 down to REPORT # 4.8A D. Move the name and address under REPORT # 2 down to REPORT # 3. A E. Move the name and address under REPORT # 1 down to REPORT # 2.e: F. Insert your name and address in the REPORT # 1 positionC Please make sure you COPY ALL INFORMATION, every name and address, i ACCURATELY.    STEP # 3K Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and save it aG to your computer.  Make NO changes to these instructions.  Now you are  ? ready to use this entire E-mail to send by E-mail to prospects.   I Report # 1 will tell you how to download bulk e-mail software and e-mail tI addresses so you can send it out to thousands of people while you sleep!  H  Remember that 50,000 + new people are joining the internet every month.  C Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely youm@ can afford $20 US and initial bulk mailing cost).  You obviously= already have a computer and an Internet connection and E-mail2 is FREEe  8 There are two primary methods of building your downline:K METHOD # 1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL, Let's say that you decide to start small, dK just to see how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved email oK out only 2,000 programs each.  Let's also assume that the mailing receives eL a 0.5% response.  The response could be much better. Also, many people will J email out hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000 (why stop at L 2,000?) But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. G  With a 0.5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT # 1. Those 10  H people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000.< Out of those 0.5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT  # 2.> Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000.0 The 0.5% respond to that is  1,000 orders for ..F REPORT  # 3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 J total. The 0.5% respond to that is 10,000 orders for.. REPORT # 4. That's # 10,000 $5 US bills for you. CASH!!!iJ Your total income in this example is.. $50 + $500 + $5000 + $50,000 for a  total of .. $55,550!!!!tI Remember friend, this is assuming 1,990 out of 2,000 people you email to e2 will do absolutely nothing and trash this program!K Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone, or half sent out  H 100,000 programs instead of 2,000, believe me, many people will do just  that and more!  L METHOD # 2.. Placing free Ads on the Internet.  Advertising on the Internet K is very, very inexpensive, there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise.  J  Lets say you decide to star small just to see how well it works.  Assume G your goal is to get ONLY 10 people to participate on your first level. /D (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the Internet will easily get a LARGER H response).  Also assume that everyone in your organization gets only 10 I downline members, just look how this small number accumulates to achieve $ the STAGGERING results below... D 1st  Level-Your first 10 send you $5 =                           $50= 2nd Level-- 10 Members from those 10 ($5X100) =          $500=> 3rd Level--  10 Members from those 100 ($5X1000) =      $5,000> 4th Level--  10 Members from those 1,000 ($5X10,000) = $50,000' $$$$$$$  THIS TOTAL'S   =  $55,550 $$$$t  G AMAZING ISN'T IT??  Remember friends, this assumes that the people who tH participate only recruit 10 people each.  Think for a moment what would G happen if they got 20 people to participate!  Most people get 100's of eL participants and many will continue to work this program, WITH YOUR NAME ON ! THEM FOR YEARS!!  THINK ABOUT IT!1F People are going to get details about this plan from you 'or' someone H else... the question is... Don't you want your name to be on the Emails  they will send out?? *** DON'T MISS OUT!!!n *** JUST TRY IT ONCE!!!  *** SEE WHAT HAPPENS!!!m *** YOU'LL BE AMAZED!!!o  J ........................................................................  ) .........................................o  * ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ORDERS!L This will guarantee that the Email THEY send out with your name and address I on it will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the a REPORT!h  J ........................................................................  * ..........................................  A GET STARTED TO-DAY: PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THE FOUR REPORTS...NOW!!m) NOTES..-ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (US CURRENCY) C FOR EACH REPORT.  CHEQUES ARE NOT ACCEPTED!  Make sure the CASH is s0 concealed by wrapping it in two sheets of paper. On one of those sheets write... : (A) .. the Number and Name of the Report you are Ordering." (B) .. your E-mail address, and ..$ (C) .. your name and postal address.  J REPORT # 1 " The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Internet".   ORDER REPORT # 1 FROM... HARRY FERNTHEIL  5626 WOODRIDGE STREETt HUNTSVILLE, AL  35802l USA.  G PLEASE NOTE... I and every member below will work for you also. Try us!h  H REPORT # 2  "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-Mail on the Internet" ORDER REPORT  # 2 FROM.... JOCA VAN DEN BOS 1191 PUKAKI ST
 ROTORUA, 3201l NEW ZEALAND.  B REPORT  # 3 "The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the Internet". ORDER REPORT # 3 FROM....e0 LANCE DENTON 100 WILDWOOD RD ROCKPORT, TX 78382. USA.  L REPORT  # 4  "How to become a Millionaire Utilising the Power of Multilevel  Marketing and the Internet". ORDER REPORT  # 4 FROM...e MELISSA HOGENMILLERo 3709 MONHEIM RD  CONOVER,  WI 54519 USA.   *******TIPS FOR SUCCESS*******B TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS!! Be prompt, professional, follow the K directions accurately-send for the four reports 'IMMEDIATELY'  so you have o- them when the orders start coming in because:y= When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested iI product/report.  It is required for this to be a legal business and they fD need the reports to send out their letters (with your name on them!): ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE.- BE PATIENT AND PERSISTENT WITH THIS PROGRAM!!tB If you follow the instructions exactly-results  WILL FOLLOW. $$$$.  & ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES*******2 Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success:K If you don't receive 20 orders for  REPORT  # 1 within two weeks, continue EI advertising or sending e-mails until you do.  Then, a couple weeks later a@ you should receive at least 100 or more orders for  REPORT  # 2.I If you don't, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once eF you have received 100 or more orders for  REPORT  # 2, YOU CAN RELAX, J because the system is already working for you, cash will continue to roll  in!!J THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER... Everytime your name is moved down on the 4 list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT REPORT.I You can keep track of your  PROGRESS by watching which report people are , ordering from you.J To generate more income, simply send another batch of e-mails or continue / placing ads and start the whole process again!!   E THERE IS NO LIMIT TO THE INCOME YOU WILL GENERATE FROM THIS BUSINESS!s  J Before you make your decision as to weather or not to participate in this $ program. Please answer one question.K ARE YOU HAPPY WITH YOUR PRESENT INCOME OR JOB??  If the answer is no, then e pleaseA look at the following facts about this super simply  MLM program:hL 1.. No face to face selling, No meetings, No Inventory, No telephone calls, K No big cost to start, Nothing to learn, No skills needed! (Surely you know f how to send an e-mail?).B 2.. No equipment to buy- you already have a computer and Internet < connection- so you have everything you need to fill orders !K 3.. You are selling a PRODUCT which does  NOT COST YOU ANYTHING TO PRODUCE a2 OR SHIP!  E-mailing copies of the Reports is FREE!I 4.. All of your customers pay you in CASH! This program will change your  L LIFE FOREVER! Look at the potential for you to be able to quit your job and 8 live a life of LUXURY!  that you could only dream about!  K Imagine getting out of debt and buying the car and home of your dreams and oJ being able to work a super-high paying leisurely easy business, from home  with no overheads!J $$$  FINALLY MAKE SOME DREAMS COME TRUE !! $$$ ACT NOW!!  Take your first . step towards achieving financial independence.  J Order the  REPORTS and follow the PROGRAM outlined above---- SUCCESS WILL  BE YOUR REWARD !!!  * Thank you for your time and consideration.  G PLEASE NOTE : If you need help with starting a business, registering a tL business name, learning how income tax is handled, etc;  contact your local ? office of the Small Business Administration (a Federal Agency)  6 1-800-827-5722 for free help and answers to questions.J Also, The Internal Revenue Service offers free help via the telephone and . free Seminars about business tax requirements.  F Your earnings are highly dependent on your activities and advertising.H The information contained on this site and in the report constitutes no L guarantees stated or implied.  In the event that it is determined that this J site or report constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that guarantee is now  void.Y  I The earnings amounts listed on this site and in the report are estimates   only.eG If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the gD Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade < Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection in Washington, DC.  J Under Bill  s 1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th US Congress, this letter A cannot be considered spam as long as the sender includes contact m$ information and a method of removal.  H This is a ONE TIME ONLY  e-mail transmission. No request for removal is 
 necessary.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:30:40 -0700r3 From: Jojimbo <jgesslingNOjgSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid>f= Subject: Re: EMCion - Enterprise Management Center Ion .,.,,.a9 Message-ID: <05614648.4572f4a0@usw-ex0102-084.remarq.com>   : Yet another attempt to replace Usenet with something less.< Why do so many people think that making up new locations for: forums is a good idea?  The result is lots of disconnected5 forums with ever more irritating ads to support them.a   Please go away,  Jim      ; -----------------------------------------------------------s  7 Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.s Up to 100 minutes free!l http://www.keen.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 18:10:11 GMT 8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>% Subject: Re: error parsing 'snapshot' ( Message-ID: <39661B48.D210550C@decus.fi>  F Did you reboot the system(s) after applying the patch? If you did not,E then rebooting should fix it. Was the patch installed on that cluster ) node on which you are seeing the problem?g  A The quick fix is to reboot all cluster nodes after that patch wass applied.G Other fix would be reinstall (as a known image) DCL command table, i.e.e do& 	$ install replace sys$share:dcltables  E on all cluster nodes (using the same system disk onto which the patchuH was applied). You BACKUP.EXE and BACKUP command definition in the systemC DCL command table are unsynchronized due to not rebooting all nodesa aftera patch install.  H After do reinstall DCLTABLES, you need to also logout and login again orC you can map the latest command table to your process manually doing   , 	$ set command/table=sys$share:dcltables.exe   _veli  ,  9 System administrator at Remeis Observatory Bamberg wrote:n >  > Dear colleagues, > E >    Details:     AlphaStation 400 4/233   (our Alpha cluster server)e! >                 OpenVMS 7.1-1H1  > C >    when submitting batch jobs we encounter errors as follows (forf$ > example when attempting a backup): >  > , >    BACKUP/IMAGE/NOASSIST/BLOCK=65000/LOG -) >    /SYS$BACK:[000000]LU12_00-07-07.LU -nL >     DISK1: TEMP:LU12_00-07-07.BCK/SAVE/LABEL=LUCKY/REWIND/IGNORE=INTERLOCK > ) > %CLI-F-SYNTAX, error parsing 'SNAPSHOT' < > -CLI-E-ENTNF, specified entity not found in command tables >  > F >    However, this has probably nothing to do with the BACKUP command,F > because we get similar problems when invoking any other .com file inG > batch mode, while the same .com runs normally when directly executed. I > We do not always get the same error message like above with other batchnO > jobs, but in any case execution of batch jobs is  e x t r e m e l y  s l o w.  > I >    This problem occurs since we applied ECO  ALPSYS20_071 (well, that'shH > my guess, because since  a b o u t  that time these errors occur, I amB > not 100% sure that our problem is related to this system patch). >  >    Thanks for any hints. >  >      Greetings,  >                  Horst   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 20:03:50 +0200. From: "Jesper Naur" <jesper.naur@post.tele.dk>$ Subject: Re: FTP to/from Alpha boxes, Message-ID: <8k55q3$og1$1@news.inet.tele.dk>  < > But they canot FTP from a PC (or UNIX box) into the Alpha.  I Try tracing the TCP/IP traffic as seen from the Alpha using TCPTRACE, fort example:  = $ TCPTRACE <IP address of PC> /PACKET=1000/OUTPUT=<some file>   F When the connection attempt from the PC has been refused, you can kill TCPTRACE with <CTRL/Y>.OI Since the connection is refused immediately, this should not generate too%F much traffic, I would expect at most 3 packets. Let us see the result.       Best regards     Jesper Naur.   ------------------------------  , Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 21:35:23 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>2 Subject: Re: highwater marking, speed vs. securityI Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0007072120400.1459-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>   $ On Thu, 6 Jul 2000, Bill Todd wrote:   +Jan Vorbrueggen [...]9 +> "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> writes:E +>J +> > But recently I caught highwater marking causing a big performance hit [...] E +> > The files in question were sequential with fixed-length records,a  F  I am aware of the sequential vs. relative question mentioned further.   +> >EvenL +> > though the file was written almost totally in sequential order, RMS wasC +> > definitely doing something to every block on each file extend.  +>L +> When the file is extended, RMS must mark all the new records added to the +> file as empty.e +)G +I assume you mean 'all the new potential locations for records' above.  + I +But it still should not be necessary when the records are being added inh +physically-sequential order    But looks, that really is. '  Short two CONVERT/FDL=T: and have get:l
 $ dir/siz=alli   Directory DISK$USER:[GS.RMS]  $ LOGIN.COM;1                9/9      $ LRDRIVER.C;2             597/597      ! Total of 2 files, 606/606 blocks.l  9  Original LOGIN.COM uses 2 blocks, lddriver 125 (but heret9 is the relative overhead, ok). Anyway - rest of place, upe5 to allocation size is allocated. Haven't check, if isn< zeroed (look like yes, but the place may be '0' by accident,& highwater marking is off on the disk).   $ dira	! Yes, commandprocedure   Directory DISK$USER:[GS.RMS]/                      File   .---- Record ----.  B . . . . . . . . . . .org. form.   size   attrib.                  5 LOGIN.COM;1          REL  VAR   80/0         CR      I5 LRDRIVER.C;2         REL  VAR   128/0        CR      d   Total of 2 files.r $     Regards - Gotfryd   --  E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEe. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================&   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:49:07 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>S2 Subject: Re: highwater marking, speed vs. security( Message-ID: <8k5c49$n0v$1@pyrite.mv.net>  C Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> wrote in message C news:Pine.LNX.4.21.0007072120400.1459-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl... K > +But it still should not be necessary when the records are being added inR > +physically-sequential order >f >  But looks, that really is.u  J I didn't say it *wasn't*, I said it should not be *necessary*.  And indeed it should not be.e   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2000 22:11 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)d2 Subject: Re: highwater marking, speed vs. security, Message-ID: <7JUL200022111889@gerg.tamu.edu>  + "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes...nK }Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote inmK }message news:y4ya3hvuy2.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de...g9 }> "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> writes:r }>J }> > But recently I caught highwater marking causing a big performance hitH }> > on our oldest microvax (with slow disks that can't afford the extra }pain).oI }> > The files in question were sequential with fixed-length records, andh }were K }> > created from Fortran using direct access mode (i.e. by record number).t }EvenrL }> > though the file was written almost totally in sequential order, RMS wasC }> > definitely doing something to every block on each file extend.v }>L }> When the file is extended, RMS must mark all the new records added to the }> file as empty.m } G }I assume you mean 'all the new potential locations for records' above.s } I }But it still should not be necessary when the records are being added inmF }physically-sequential order - any more than it is when they are addedJ }sequentially (for that matter, the ACP shouldn't know the difference - soB }perhaps RMS is simply neglecting to special-case this situation). }  }- billp }> }> Jan  D At the time the file is extended, how is it supposed to know that inC the future you will only be adding the records in sequential order?   G RMS has some spiffy features, but predicting the order in which recordsr1 will be accesed in the future is not one of them.5   --- Carl   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 01:29:36 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>t2 Subject: Re: highwater marking, speed vs. security( Message-ID: <8k6e4k$9pr$1@pyrite.mv.net>  2 Carl Perkins <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message& news:7JUL200022111889@gerg.tamu.edu...   ...l  F > At the time the file is extended, how is it supposed to know that inE > the future you will only be adding the records in sequential order?   J I don't think you understand how high-water marking works:  its purpose isK to avoid the need to incur the overhead of null-filling allocated space, byvL allowing the system (below the QIO level) to determine the last byte writtenG to the file and return nulls for any reads attempted beyond that point.n  G This doesn't require any prescience on the part of the file system - ineJ fact, it doesn't have a clue how *any* file is going to be accessed in theI future, which is the point I was making (it doesn't *know* the difference G between a randomly-accessed sequential file and a sequentially-accessedoK sequential file, which means that any difference in the way they're handledn *must* occur at the RMS level).1  H And RMS needn't be prescient either:  it can just check the start of anyG random write operation against the current high-water mark to determine5J whether any null-filling is required.  Actually, this check needs to occurJ below the QIO level anyway, so RMS in fact theoretically shouldn't need toL do *anything* in this case, but you'd have to check the code to see how it'sE implemented (or get an explanation from a knowledgeable member of thei  development group - hint, hint).  I But in any event, a randomly-accessible sequential file that is populatedlG sequentially should appear at the file system level (the level at whichfJ high-water marking must be managed, for security reasons) exactly the sameJ way a sequentially-accessed sequential file that is populated sequentiallyL appears:  if null-filling is not required for the latter, it is not requiredG for the former (though RMS may not bother to optimize this case, if RMSTL elects to perform the filling for some reason - e.g., because it already has an available buffer to use).   - bill   >.I > RMS has some spiffy features, but predicting the order in which records.3 > will be accesed in the future is not one of them.h >w
 > --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 21:04:11 -0500r7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>a) Subject: Re: INFO ON BACKUP START UP TAPE.- Message-ID: <39668C1B.60CE2467@earthlink.net>.   miguel ramirez wrote:. > E >    Im running a 3100 microvax computer model 20 with 4207 tektronix.J > terminal.  I need information on how to make a startup back up tape in aH > TK-50 tape.  Mounting device is mka500.  I also need help on finding aF > console for the computer.  I have vt220 emulator, but im not sure ifI > that is the right one for the computer.  I would appreciated if anybodyn > has advice on what to do.s > J >                                                                   Miguel  G Any VT emulation will do, VT2xx or better. You can live with VT100, butR I prefer VT2xx or better.l  # Any tape drive will do, just about.m  0 If your tape device is MKA500: as you say, then:   $ @sys$update:stabackit mka500:n  # ...will do. To boot from that tape:E   >>> b mka500   ...at the console prompt.K   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE SystemsT http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/R   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 20:14:28 +0100sL From: Lewis Nodes <CHAA009@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk> (RHBNC, University of London)< Subject: Is older Alpha hardware no good for Seagate discs ?0 Message-ID: <000707201429.385e@mail.rhbnc.ac.uk>  H Using Seagate discs on VMS on Alpha, does the age of the hardware make a) difference as to whether they will work ?D  P I have some ST39173N discs happily working on an Au433 running VMS V7.1-1H1, butO they won't work on a DEC2000-300S running VMS V7.2 with the latest firmware andeJ VMS update.  (The error report shows "Extended Sense Data from Device" but nothing else useful I can see.)h  N Is there something "special" about VMS V7.1 which makes these discs work which= 7.2 has lost, or is it just the old hardware isn't up to it ?e   Lewis Nodes, RHBNC, University of London.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:59:12 -0500u* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>@ Subject: Re: Is older Alpha hardware no good for Seagate discs ?- Message-ID: <0033000000417104000002L042*@MHS>r  H =0AUsing Seagate discs on VMS on Alpha, does the age of the hardware ma= ke a) difference as to whether they will work ?n  H I have some ST39173N discs happily working on an Au433 running VMS V7.1=	 -1H1, butXH they won't work on a DEC2000-300S running VMS V7.2 with the latest firm= ware andH VMS update.  (The error report shows "Extended Sense Data from Device" = buti nothing else useful I can see.)D  H Is there something "special" about VMS V7.1 which makes these discs wor= k whiche= 7.2 has lost, or is it just the old hardware isn't up to it ?d   Lewis Nodes, RHBNC, University of London.        Lewis,   H      As a general rule, the older the VMS version the less tolerant it = is$      of non-DEC SCSI drives/devices.        WWWebb=   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2000 19:58:15 GMTr2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)@ Subject: Re: Is older Alpha hardware no good for Seagate discs ?6 Message-ID: <8k5con$he1$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   In article <000707201429.385e@mail.rhbnc.ac.uk>, Lewis Nodes <CHAA009@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk> (RHBNC, University of London) writes: I :Using Seagate discs on VMS on Alpha, does the age of the hardware make aa* :difference as to whether they will work ?  E   Differing hardware can have differing thresholds of, um, tolerance.nI   This is less a question of age than a question of features and options l3   and differing sorts of restrictions, of course...u  N :I have some ST39173N discs happily working on an Au433 running VMS V7.1-1H1, H :but they won't work on a DEC2000-300S running VMS V7.2 with the latest M :firmware and VMS update.  (The error report shows "Extended Sense Data from t, :Device" but nothing else useful I can see.)  F   Receiving extended sense data should works nicely on recent OpenVMS    versions.   K   The baseline DEC 2000 series has no external SCSI, unless you have added p   in a second SCSI controller.  H   Only two models of the EISA SCSI controller (and then only a specific J   revision of the widgets) is supported on this box.  (The 1742 G.1 ROMs, &   IIRC, donno the ROMs for the 1740)    J   The EISA SCSI used on this system is known to be quite sensitive to the M   correct SCSI configuration and cabling and termination, and over-extending tL   the internal SCSI bus -- and the most common error found with this system L   involves attempting to bring the internal SCSI bus out of the box -- will .   usually lead to various weird SCSI problems.  O :Is there something "special" about VMS V7.1 which makes these discs work whicho> :7.2 has lost, or is it just the old hardware isn't up to it ?  K   J-random third-party widgets have always been and will always be somewhat M   more difficult to deal with than are supported devices -- there is a reasondI   why these widgets are cheaper, and that reason often involves the leveltG   of testing and the integration available, and the available level of cJ   support for the widget.  (SCSI is less a standard than it is a standard F   collection of optionally implemented features.  Sometimes optionally.   misimplemented features are available, too.)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:31:07 -0700-! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com @ Subject: Re: Is older Alpha hardware no good for Seagate discs ?C Message-ID: <OFF33D6735.BCB70481-ON88256915.007615A5@HEALTHNET.COM>.  I I have a Seagate working fine on an AlphaStation 2000 4/166. I think it'stB roughly the same age as your box, if it's the one I'm thinking of.   Shanen          I Lewis Nodes <CHAA009@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk> (RHBNC, University of London) onc 07/07/2000 12:14:28 PM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr cc:m  = Subject:  Is older Alpha hardware no good for Seagate discs ?-    H Using Seagate discs on VMS on Alpha, does the age of the hardware make a) difference as to whether they will work ?/  B I have some ST39173N discs happily working on an Au433 running VMS
 V7.1-1H1, butMK they won't work on a DEC2000-300S running VMS V7.2 with the latest firmwarer andrJ VMS update.  (The error report shows "Extended Sense Data from Device" but nothing else useful I can see.)   H Is there something "special" about VMS V7.1 which makes these discs work whicha= 7.2 has lost, or is it just the old hardware isn't up to it ?u   Lewis Nodes, RHBNC, University of London.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 17:53:14 GMT 3 From: corbett@epp.ne.mediaone.net (Michael Corbett)s- Subject: Re: Multinet port numbers being usedh9 Message-ID: <eOo95.838$jE1.52755@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   > On Fri, 07 Jul - Jeff Schreiber <schreiber@process.com> wrote:< >From: Andrade Jay A CONT NPRI <AndradeJA@NPT.NUWC.NAVY.MIL>7 >>From: Michael Austin [mailto:maustin@nc.prestige.net]  >>>tI >>>does anyone know how to tell Multinet to show you what ports are beingoE >>>used... I am interested in knowing if another package is using thee# >>>default port for http (port 80).r >>>e >> >>MULTINET CONFIG/SERVER
 >>and then >>SERVER-CONFIG>SHOW >> >iD >  That is only going to show you the servers that are connected andF >  managed via the multinet master server.  It won't show non-multinet@ >  services, and it won't even show the port numbers for all theC >  Multinet services either.  The $ MULTINET SHOW /CONN is good forKC >  active connections, but won't show all the listening connectionsE7 >  [only those listening on a specific local interface], >r >  Your best bet is: > ( >  $ Define mu$sda multinet:multinet$sda
 >  $ anal/syss >  $ mu show/connv > : >  And then look at all the connections in "Listn" status. >a   FYI -   @ $ MU SHOW/CONN=ALL - will show active and listening connections.   --  K +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+tD Michael Corbett                           Email: Corbett@process.comB Process Software Corporation              Phone: 800 722-7770 x369B 959 Concord St.                                  508 879-6994 x369= Framingham MA 01701-4682                  FAX:   508 879-0042r   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2000 23:24 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) - Subject: RE: Multinet port numbers being used , Message-ID: <7JUL200023244254@gerg.tamu.edu>  0 Jeff Schreiber <schreiber@process.com> writes...D }  That is only going to show you the servers that are connected andF }  managed via the multinet master server.  It won't show non-multinet@ }  services, and it won't even show the port numbers for all theC }  Multinet services either.  The $ MULTINET SHOW /CONN is good for C }  active connections, but won't show all the listening connectionst7 }  [only those listening on a specific local interface]a }  }  Your best bet is: } ( }  $ Define mu$sda multinet:multinet$sda
 }  $ anal/sysu }  $ mu show/conn% } : }  And then look at all the connections in "Listn" status. }  }  						-Jeff }  }-- 2 }Jeff Schreiber,            Process Software Corp.2 }schreiber@mx.process.com   http://www.process.com, }     TCPware & MultiNet: Stronger than Ever  F Does this show connections that don't show up with MULT SHOW/CONN=ALL?% This does show listening connections.0   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 21:13:14 -0500]7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>s! Subject: Re: Obtaining User Inputh- Message-ID: <39668E3A.E258F5E5@earthlink.net>    Adrian Birkett wrote:  > 7 > Use the lexical function f$integer(string_or_symbol).  > L > You will probably need to add some numeric character validation beforehand	 > though.   , You can test the value returned by F$TYPE():   $ a = "1234" $ say f$type( a )  INTEGER  $ a = "12c4" $ say f$type( a )d STRING $ sh sym say   SAY == "WRITE SYS$OUTPUT"  $    --   David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsy http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s   ------------------------------    Date: 07 Jul 2000 19:14:18 -0500- From: Graham Allan <allan@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu>N Subject: ODS-5 support on VAXi0 Message-ID: <w53u2e1pjfp.fsf@lanark.spa.umn.edu>  B I have a quick question about support for ODS5 filesystems on VAX.@ I'm setting up a mixed cluster - adding a new Alpha system to anD existing VAX cluster, to be precise. The Alpha is running VMS 7.2-1,D the VAXes are still running 6.2 (they will of course also be updatedB to 7.2, but ideally I'd rather leave them alone until the Alpha is further along in setup).  G One of the disks on the new Alpha system is initialized to ODS-5 format:9 (which seems to make most sense for current large disks). B However, MOUNT/CLUSTER on this disk produces the following message from the VAX nodes:R  ? %MOUNT-W-RMTMNTFAIL, _ALPHA$DKA100: failed to mount on node VAX2; -MOUNT-F-NOHOMEBLK, Files-11 home block not found on volumeG  F I know that VAX/VMS doesn't support direct use of ODS-5 volumes, but IH believe they do support them when served via MSCP (at least when runningA VMS 7.2). Is this message due to the VAX nodes still running 6.2?s  / Seems obvious, but I wanted to check... thanks.=   Graham -- =I -------------------------------------------------------------------------2: Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - gta@umn.edu - (612) 624-50409 School of Physics and Astronomy - University of MinnesotagI -------------------------------------------------------------------------a   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2000 17:41:57 PDT5T From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)! Subject: Re: ODS-5 support on VAXa3 Message-ID: <GKtjFsP0TbIx@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>s  1 In article <w53u2e1pjfp.fsf@lanark.spa.umn.edu>, b4     	Graham Allan <allan@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu> writes: > D > I have a quick question about support for ODS5 filesystems on VAX.  H         The answer is no, they aren't, won't ever be, end of story.  :-p  B > I'm setting up a mixed cluster - adding a new Alpha system to anF > existing VAX cluster, to be precise. The Alpha is running VMS 7.2-1,F > the VAXes are still running 6.2 (they will of course also be updatedD > to 7.2, but ideally I'd rather leave them alone until the Alpha is > further along in setup). > I > One of the disks on the new Alpha system is initialized to ODS-5 formatm; > (which seems to make most sense for current large disks).aD > However, MOUNT/CLUSTER on this disk produces the following message > from the VAX nodes:r > A > %MOUNT-W-RMTMNTFAIL, _ALPHA$DKA100: failed to mount on node VAXe= > -MOUNT-F-NOHOMEBLK, Files-11 home block not found on volumei           TO be expected.e  H > I know that VAX/VMS doesn't support direct use of ODS-5 volumes, but IJ > believe they do support them when served via MSCP (at least when runningC > VMS 7.2). Is this message due to the VAX nodes still running 6.2?   H         No, "served via MSCP" _still_  means  you need to understand theH     file  system on the disk: MSCP serves disk _blocks_, not, say, filesH     like NFS.  The MSCP "client" system, you VAX, does  most  everythingH     the  Alpha  does  in  terms  of  finding the home block, reading and;     updating INDEXF.SYS, etc.  VAXes simply cannot do that.   H         The closest you _may_ come is to  use DECNET to look at files onH     that  disk.   I don't know what requirements or  restrictions  existH     there; you may need to upgrade your VAXes to VMS 7.2.   Should  work"     though (but haven't tried...).  H         On a separate but related topic, if you choose to use the new toH     VMS 7.2, non-default disk cluster size (i.e., small cluster sizes onH     large disks), you must _also_ upgrade your  VAXes to VMS 7.2 or theyH     won't be able to mount those disks (they don't understand the larger     bitmap, etc.).           -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 18:45:13 GMTy* From: Art Rice <arice.NOcSPAM@ue.itug.org>; Subject: Re: OpenVMS loses big, was:  RE: Compaq advertisesm8 Message-ID: <gv7cmsk96acppiutldgqoki4lsko0jg8na@4ax.com>  , On Thu, 06 Jul 2000 14:22:25 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:e   >Art Rice wrote:B >> Do you really think they are going to lower the price of TandemI >> Hardware and Software?  This is historically one of the most expensivenH >> hardware and software combinations  in existence.  The Alpha will notG >> make the machines any less expensive than MIPS and the port to Alphac >> has to be paid for somehow. >5O >No, but where VMS currently has an edge on Tandem, is in performance since VMSoH >benefits from ALPHA and 64 bit computing. Tandem has equal/better faultT >tolerance to VMS, although VMS's clustering does offer a few things Tandem doesn't. >oM >But once Tandem has moved to Alpha, then VMS loses its performance edge. WhyiM >should Compaq then continue to support both Tandem and VMS with very similaro >customers and missions ?l >pO >Wouldn't it be much better to somehow be able to combine both OS into a singlen >unified one ? y  ? Start coding...  OpenVMS is AFAIK a "general purpose OS".   NSKf< (Guardian) was designed from the ground up for OLTP.  I mean> everything.  That's one of the reasons they were so far behindF everyone else implementing TCP/IP.  Founded around 1974, EXPAND, X.25,C and SNAX handled all the intersystem communicatioin that was neededn until sometime around 1990.     E The Tandem OS depends on a specific machine architecture.  We are nothE just talking about a few redundant components.  Nearly all components C inside the box are redundant. (drive pairs can be split but why pay0? the high cost if you are going to destroy the fault tolerance?)i  C One thing Tandem needs to fix ( if they want to expand further than8F web based apps) is terminal support.  Pathway applications can only beC defined as Tandem or 3270.  If you don't tell it to support 3270 itl8 won't even do that.  (security through obscurity again.)  D If you have a friend in your organization or city that has access toE TIM  (the Tandem documentation CDs) have him/her show you the manualst= on "Introduction to Tandem NonStop Systems", "Introduction topE Pathway", and any of the server description manuals. for Example: the ! K20000 server Descripsion Manual.   F If the two OSs are to be merged, it will probably take til 2010 to get# the first Beta version ready to go.2  ? >Such a bigger OS would have greater market share, more staminaaH >to ward off serious systems wannabes (NT et all) and also less internalK >political fights as to which of the two will be the golden child and which / >will be sent to a corner and told to be quiet.t >TH >Yeah, Compaq will continue to support each system as long as it remains4 >profitable... We've seen what such statements do...   -- -
 Art Rice   **-# Special Data Processing Corporation & --------------------------------------' All opinions expressed are mine and do o% not reflect the views of my employer.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:19:49 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ; Subject: Re: OpenVMS loses big, was:  RE: Compaq advertisesl, Message-ID: <39663B64.A551D93C@videotron.ca>   Art Rice wrote:3H > everyone else implementing TCP/IP.  Founded around 1974, EXPAND, X.25,E > and SNAX handled all the intersystem communicatioin that was neededs > until sometime around 1990.c  N VMS has X.25 support. VMS has SCS which is probably the equivalent of SNAX (or! would DECNET be it equivalent ?).w  < > The Tandem OS depends on a specific machine architecture.   I Yes, but that architecture is being changed to ALPHA based products. Sure-M those hardware products will differ from current ALpha products with hardwareaM redundancy, but then again, so did the original VAXft machines different from  standard VAXes.0  E > One thing Tandem needs to fix ( if they want to expand further thano' > web based apps) is terminal support. f  J Yes, these old huge Tandem terminals were *interesting* to say the least.   H > If the two OSs are to be merged, it will probably take til 2010 to get% > the first Beta version ready to go.t  L However, if the major middlewares for Guardian were to be ported to VMS, andM if the remainder of operating system services were ported to VMS, wouldn't itaN be possible to port all Tandem applications to VMS with an ease comparative to% the port from MIPS to ALPHA will be ?d  N Remember that VMS did have fault tolerance in its VAX line, so that would have to be ported over to ALPHA.s  L So, if VMS on alpha were to be made fault tolerant, and if the middleware onM Guardian (base32 etc) were to be ported to VMS, wouldn't it be fairly easy to K then port the Guardian applications to VMS and as a result provide a singledM high-availability platform that would have much greater market mindshare thanm= both Guardian and VMS operating as small unknown quantities ?w   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:35:35 -0700 5 From: "Larry D Bohan, Jr" <LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com> ; Subject: Re: OpenVMS loses big, was:  RE: Compaq advertisesk2 Message-ID: <PlpmOboWRK9pClFSIOyxFoZ=5k62@4ax.com>  F On Fri, 07 Jul 2000 18:45:13 GMT, Art Rice <arice.NOcSPAM@ue.itug.org> wrote:  ; > NSK(Guardian) was designed from the ground up for OLTP.  o > I mean everything. >  [..SNIP...]E >If you have a friend in your organization or city that has access tooF >TIM  (the Tandem documentation CDs) have him/her show you the manuals> >on "Introduction to Tandem NonStop Systems", "Introduction toF >Pathway", and any of the server description manuals. for Example: the" >K20000 server Descripsion Manual.  9 Do you know, offhand, any texts (such as might be had in s? a technical book store) that describe the Tandem architectures?n) or better still, any online resources?   C  0 it's something I'd long wanted to read up on ...   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 22:57:30 +0100; From: "Leigh G. Bowden" <LGBowden@bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk>s Subject: PC counter./ Message-ID: <8k5jnt$eri$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>a  J When one does a SHOW PROC/CONT/ID=n one of the displayed parameters is theL PC. How can one get that from DCL if at all possible? DSN says that F$GETJPIE cannot get it but can it be derived or extracted from somewhere else?t  K We have an errant DCE$RPCD process that periodically get itself into a realwB tight loop and takes 99 to 100% of the CPU and excludes most otherL processes. Compaq want the last 500 PC numbers to see if it is looping roundL the same piece of code but neglect to tell us how this can be done. The only9 way we can really see is to use SHOW PROC/CONT to a file.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 21:49:28 GMTi. From: Michael Austin <maustin@nc.prestige.net> Subject: Re: PC counter./ Message-ID: <39665CD7.356B3B4A@nc.prestige.net>r  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------150AA07FFCBC001F34EB097E* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitn     "Leigh G. Bowden" wrote:  L > When one does a SHOW PROC/CONT/ID=n one of the displayed parameters is theN > PC. How can one get that from DCL if at all possible? DSN says that F$GETJPIG > cannot get it but can it be derived or extracted from somewhere else?a >nM > We have an errant DCE$RPCD process that periodically get itself into a real5D > tight loop and takes 99 to 100% of the CPU and excludes most otherN > processes. Compaq want the last 500 PC numbers to see if it is looping roundN > the same piece of code but neglect to tell us how this can be done. The only; > way we can really see is to use SHOW PROC/CONT to a file.   K I have in the past determined this by setting my process to priority 15 andeJ using xon/xoff  and remember as many of the numbers as possible.  If it isO consuming that much CPU, it is a very good bet that it is in a loop.  Now,  use7N your link map and listings to determine where in the code it is looping.  noteN the values in the other registers so you can see what the problem is.. you can5 also run it in debug if the problem is re-producable.v   Michael Austin DBA Consultant  & --------------150AA07FFCBC001F34EB097E- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;c  name="maustin.vcf"i Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitu, Content-Description: Card for Michael Austin  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="maustin.vcf"0   begin:vcard  n:Austin;Michael b tel;work:704-947-1089  x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Michael Austin, Incn
 adr:;;;;;; version:2.1g+ email;internet:michaelaustininc@hotmail.come title:President  x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Michael E. Austin	 end:vcardt  ( --------------150AA07FFCBC001F34EB097E--   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 22:55:40 GMTn= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)u Subject: Re: PC counter.0 Message-ID: <009ECBCD.685E0AC3@SendSpamHere.ORG>  m In article <8k5jnt$eri$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Leigh G. Bowden" <LGBowden@bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk> writes:RK >When one does a SHOW PROC/CONT/ID=n one of the displayed parameters is thecM >PC. How can one get that from DCL if at all possible? DSN says that F$GETJPItF >cannot get it but can it be derived or extracted from somewhere else?  H Directly from DCL?  Not possible.  You can, however, use SHOW PROCESS orH hop into SDA and store that output in a file for processing by some DCL.  L >We have an errant DCE$RPCD process that periodically get itself into a realC >tight loop and takes 99 to 100% of the CPU and excludes most othercM >processes. Compaq want the last 500 PC numbers to see if it is looping round M >the same piece of code but neglect to tell us how this can be done. The only : >way we can really see is to use SHOW PROC/CONT to a file.  E http://www.tmesis.com/help/@sys$sysdevice:[SNAPSHOT]SNAPSHOT/SNAPSHOTt   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMo   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 01:37:45 +0200. From: "Jesper Naur" <jesper.naur@post.tele.dk> Subject: Re: PC counter., Message-ID: <8k5pc7$g7s$1@news.inet.tele.dk>  C > Compaq want the last 500 PC numbers to see if it is looping roundsI > the same piece of code but neglect to tell us how this can be done. Ther only; > way we can really see is to use SHOW PROC/CONT to a file.o  J There are better ways, involving System Dump Analyzer (SDA) on the running< system (requires CMKRNL privilege). You can for example say:   $ analyze/system0 SDA> sh proc <name>        (or sh proc/id=<PID>)
 SDA> ex pc
 SDA> ex pc
 SDA> ex pc  I as many times you want. If you want many results, create a file with manyyI 'ex pc' commands. Output from this can be captured into a file, either by < telling SDA to do it (SET LOG/SET OUTPUT) or by saying @<DCL  commandfile>/OUTPUT=<some file>.  L Be careful with the process priorities: If your culprit process really is inI an infinite loop, the process doing the SDA should probably have the sameoI priority. Reason: If lower, it will never get through, if higher, it will F prevent the culprit process from doing anything, which will render the experiment useless.i  / You may also wish to look into the SDA commands-   SDA> sh call   and,   SDA> sh call/next   F which may be of interest in order to show, what the culprit process is doing.       Best regards     Jesper Naur8   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Jul 2000 20:51:55 GMTh2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman): Subject: Re: Porting NSK apps and OS? (was Re: OpenVMS ...6 Message-ID: <8k5ftb$idg$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  \ In article <39663B64.A551D93C@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:   ..M :However, if the major middlewares for Guardian were to be ported to VMS, andtN :if the remainder of operating system services were ported to VMS, wouldn't itO :be possible to port all Tandem applications to VMS with an ease comparative to-& :the port from MIPS to ALPHA will be ?  C   The mind boggles at the effort involved with the redesign and theSE   reimplementation of the necessary core of the Tandem NSK APIs onto  E   another operating system run-time environment, and then all of the  E   hauling over and altering and testing that would be needed for the VJ   applications and the whole rest of the expected application environment.  G   The current porting involved in moving NSK and its applications over 'I   to a custom-designed fault-tolerant Alpha hardware platform is a large nL   project -- having all of this hardware and having to layer the NSK Kernel H   and (potentially) having OpenVMS itself running on this fault-tolerantK   Alpha hardware would increase the effort involved by orders of magnitude.T3   (And to what gain, and for what customer market?)   I   I am not in a position to discuss plans (if any) to port OpenVMS itselft,   over to this fault-tolerant Alpha product.  K :Remember that VMS did have fault tolerance in its VAX line, so that would h! :have to be ported over to ALPHA.g  I   OpenVMS is less of an issue here than the hardware -- there are (were) cI   various system services layered onto OpenVMS for control and management-L   of the VAXft hardware, but the central part of the VAXft product involved K   the hardware itself.  Things like the instruction cross-check processing,-J   hardware-level component shadowing, and core hardware hot-swap would all4   be needed.  These are neither trivial nor cheap...  M :So, if VMS on alpha were to be made fault tolerant, and if the middleware on N :Guardian (base32 etc) were to be ported to VMS, wouldn't it be fairly easy toL :then port the Guardian applications to VMS and as a result provide a singleN :high-availability platform that would have much greater market mindshare than> :both Guardian and VMS operating as small unknown quantities ?  H   Other than all of the really difficult stuff involved here, yes, this 0   project would be quite easy to accomplish. :-)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  " Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 21:38:44 GMT0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com>C Subject: Re: Summer 2000 OpenVMS TIMES Now Available on CPQ Websitem& Message-ID: <FxCJx4.G4s@world.std.com>  : "Tim Llewellyn" <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote in message# news:396602FF.C49C025E@bbc.co.uk...M >T >R > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:l >tE > > Compaq today posted the third issue of its OpenVMS TIMES customernL > > newsletter. Volume 1 Number 3 is a 960KB PDF that can be downloaded from > >i0 > > http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvmstimes/ >uF > Terry, you are being modest by not pointing out you have a column in
 > issue 3.  F Not to worry... the column rehashes much of the stuff from the OpenVMSK Viewpoint SKC issue I put out over a month ago... said material was carriedP  almost verbatim in THE REGISTER.  K Anyhow, if you have any suggestions/topics for future columns in the Times,  drop me a line.o   cheers,m   terry si   ------------------------------  " Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 23:07:57 GMT( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>C Subject: Re: Summer 2000 OpenVMS TIMES Now Available on CPQ Websitek' Message-ID: <FxCo99.Lp2@spcuna.spc.edu>s  A In comp.org.decus Terry C. Shannon <shannon@world.std.com> wrote:SC > Compaq today posted the third issue of its OpenVMS TIMES customernJ > newsletter. Volume 1 Number 3 is a 960KB PDF that can be downloaded from. > http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvmstimes/     That article says:  D   "Future versions of OpenVMS and DECwindows are expected to includeD IDE/ATAPI CD-ROM audio support.In the interim,IDE/ATAPI CD-ROM audioE support will be made available on the OpenVMS Freeware disk. For more|B details,visit: www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/freeware/index.html"  C   But it doesn't seem to be listed there. Anybody have a pointer to|- the updated DQDRIVER w/ IO$_DIAGNOSE support?-  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com-5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAs   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 18:32:04 GMT 4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie), Subject: Re: Sybase TCP errors on Alpha VMS.( Message-ID: <Emp95.1137$5L3.8774@insync>  % Amnon KATZ (amnon.katz@bca.fr) wrote:  : Hello. : D : I have a Sybase SQL Server 11.0.3.3 SWR 7936 Rollup running on an K : Alpha OpenVMS Version V7.1-1H1. We are using UCX version V4.2 for TCP/IP.i :   E There are patches (ECOs) available for UCX 4.2. IIRC, the most-recent 	 is ECO 3.   D The output of "$ UCX SHOW VERSION" will tell what the latest ECO is.  I : My problem is that sybase error log is full of connection messages and >. : there are a lot of complains on performance.  ; What has changed since the performance was satisfactory ?  M  I Have there been network upgrades, such as ethernet switches being added ?  : ? : This is a sample of the messages that I have in my error log.T : N : 1. 01:2000/07/03 06:27:45.37 kernel  Cannot read, host process disconnected: : M : 2. 00:2000/07/03 08:27:40.82 kernel  tcp_nread_defer: bad read, socket 162,r : listener 13 : 00:2000/07/03 08:27:40.92 kernel  - iosb: error 0t : K : 3. 00:2000/06/15 10:21:03.31 kernel  nwrite_defer: Bad write, socket 196,r : listener 3 : H : 4. 00:2000/06/15 10:21:03.42 kernel  - VMS error: %SYSTEM-F-LINKABORT,& : network partner aborted logical link : J : 5. 00:2000/06/15 10:33:29.20 kernel  tcp_nwrite_defer: Bad write, socket : 366, listener 1 7 : 00:2000/06/15 10:33:29.33 kernel  - iosb: broken piper :   L Have you tried a ping between the nodes, to see if there's any packet loss ?  J : I opened a case at Sybase France but I didnt got any solution from them : yet.E : The only clue that I got was that it is probably a UCX problem and n" : I should look in that direction. :  : Can any one help me on this? :   J I've added comp.os.vms, since a lot of former Sybase users hang out there.  / --Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.netr;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalidT2                  (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 19:15:54 GMTh1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>a, Subject: Re: Sybase TCP errors on Alpha VMS.2 Message-ID: <39662C47.64603923@clarityconnect.com>   Actually ECO 4 is available.   Jerry Leslie wrote:" > G > There are patches (ECOs) available for UCX 4.2. IIRC, the most-recent  > is ECO 3.a > F > The output of "$ UCX SHOW VERSION" will tell what the latest ECO is.   -- hD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:34:02 -0700d0 From: Carol McGeehon <clmcgeeh@co.douglas.or.us> Subject: Telnet script0 Message-ID: <39664CCA.90528FE4@co.douglas.or.us>  H I am connecting to a remote server using telnet.  I'm doing so because IH have a service I need to run using terminals.  I need to pass a customer9 id number to a login prompt and have not been successful.    Any ideas would be appreciated.a   Carol McGeehon Douglas County Library Systemz   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 17:49:34 -0400E- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>1 Subject: Re: Telnet script, Message-ID: <3966506D.A32C3638@videotron.ca>   Carol McGeehon wrote:E > J > I am connecting to a remote server using telnet.  I'm doing so because IJ > have a service I need to run using terminals.  I need to pass a customer; > id number to a login prompt and have not been successful.t  M Kermit is fully capable of telnetting AND has a very powerful script language ? that allows you to automate telnet sessions with a remote host.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 19:39:25 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: Telnet script7 Message-ID: <200007071939_MC2-AB7C-27A6@compuserve.com>m  J         Since you have neglected to tell us about the hardware or softwar= eaJ in use, the commands being used, or the error mesages you recieved, there= 's$ not much anybody can do to help you.  H         Since you posted to comp.os.vms/Info-VAX, we can assume that youG are using a VAX or an Alpha and some version of VMS.  Or can we?   What J version of VMS?  Which TCP/IP package are you using?  Which version of th= atJ package?  What does your script look like and what error messages you get=   when it fails?  & Message text written by Carol McGeehonJ >I am connecting to a remote server using telnet.  I'm doing so because I=  H have a service I need to run using terminals.  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   any reason.s     Simple Removal Instructions:  7 To Be Removed: mailto:netcash@yeah.net?subject=remove07a<   You will then be deleted from our e-mail database forever.  oN   NO FLAMES!! You will not be added to the remove database unless you do this.P   No Exceptions, anything but "remove" in the subject will generate an automatic   response.   Thank You!!m        ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 13:31:47 -0500o) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>b Subject: Re: Trapping a STOP/IDa7 Message-ID: <011701bfe841$9e7aa7e0$020a0a0a@xile.realm>   G > Is it the general opinion here that when one system manager denied myo requestnI > to grant the app SYSLCK  this was overly paranoid, and that most systemc% > managers would not object to this ?   J I generally do not object to having an image from a trusted source such asJ an application vendor being installed with privileges.  Especially if they can document why they are used.o  C Only your paying customer seems to have a vote in this case though.B  I With out the locking mechanism, a fall back would be to poll the process.v! And that might not be a bad idea.u  J While the lock mechanism will tell you if the process ends for any reason,J it will not tell you if it has gone into a CPU bound loop, or is otherwise- waiting for some event that will never occur.9  I Having the application check a mailbox periodically for a status request,:B and then responding to it can also be used to improve reliability.   -Johnl   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Jul 2000 16:26:34 CDTF= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.000880.killspam.00bd (Wayne Sewell)r Subject: Re: Trapping a STOP/IDm. Message-ID: <SIpn9+KGRnuO@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  \ In article <3964BCEB.AAD2160F@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Tim Llewellyn wrote:G >> If you use the lock manager approach then the monitoring process canr" >> be on a different cluster node. > G > But don't you have to grant the application SYSLCK privilege for thatrF > functionality ? I have had customers deny request to have SYSLCK forP > applications because they felt it was too dangerous. How common is the fear of > granting SYSLCK ?e  O You need SYSLCK if the resource is "systemwide".  However, "systemwide" in this N context means "visible to all processes, no matter what UIC they have".   ThisB has nothing to do with nodes, since the lock manager is inherently clusterwide.  K According to the system services manual, without the LCK$M_SYSTEM flag set, I "resource names are qualified by the user identification code (UIC) groupo" number of the creating process".    G If the monitoring process is in the same uic group as the process it isSF monitoring, it does not need the LCK$M_SYSTEM flag, even if it is on aJ different node.  If it does not need the flag, it does not need the SYSLCK
 privilege.     Try the following program:       #include <lckdef.h>a #include <starlet.h> #include <stdio.h> #include <descrip.h> #include <lib$routines.h>    int main(void)   {5
 int lksb[20];o% $DESCRIPTOR (lcknam, "whoopeefish"); e int sts;    # printf("trying to get the lock\n");b* sts = sys$enqw (1, LCK$K_EXMODE, lksb, 0, .                    &lcknam, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0);    if (!(sts & 1)) lib$signal(sts);( printf("got the lock -- hibernating\n"); sys$hiber(); }v    H Compile and link this and then run it on two different nodes without anyN privileges other than tmpmbx/netmbx.  You will find that the second invocationO will hang waiting for the first, i.e. the lock is visible on both nodes withoutpI lck$m_system and without sysprv.  If you control-y the first program, the(N second will then get the lock.  You have to run both processes in the same uicN group, of course.  If you run in two different groups, the second process willO *also* get the lock with no wait, since it is a completely different lock, eveneD if it has the same name.  The name is qualified by the group number.   Waynep   -- cO ===============================================================================lM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxn: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)-O ===============================================================================dO Otter, on dining with Bluto:"It's perfectly safe if you keep your arms and legs. 			away from his mouth."   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 23:21:03 -0400.+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>w Subject: RE: Tutorial J Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284501@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   Dave,e   A few misc suggestions:c  9 <http://www.acersoft.com/ (has VMS tutorials on the page)T? <http://www.openvms.digital.com:8000/ (latest doc's are online) H <http://www.openvms.digital.com:8000/72final/6489/6489pro_contents.html>7 User Manual (one url will likely wrap in email message)eG <http://www.compaq.com/training/cd-os.html> VMS training info (also hastD contact info for three different training companies that have OenVMS	 courses).h   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant,
 Compaq Canadas Professional Servicesc Voice : 613-592-4660 FAX   : 819-772-7036 Email : kerry.main@compaq.coma       -----Original Message-----5 From: Dave Cole [mailto:daveandrosie@picknowl.com.au]r$ Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 4:06 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr Subject: Tutorial     L Hi, I am new to the world of VMS but have to learn it.  I would like to knowL if anyone knows of any tutorials that are available that would be useful for a new user.d  # Thanks in advance to all that replyn   Dave.o   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 19:45:29 GMTf From: bclaremont@my-deja.com! Subject: Re: Very Large RMS Files ) Message-ID: <8k5c0n$3hv$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   : >   What order of magnitude is the "large amount of time"?  B An Analyze/RMS reports a VBN error in one of the 2-gig files.  I'mE running a CONVERT/NOSORT to try to recover the file.  The convert hast2 been running for 4 days.  The file has three keys.  7 >   Some general details of the disk storage subsystem?t  B RAID array containing 3 9-gig disks and a hot spare.  The array is striped.  < >   Some general details of the OpenVMS VAX or Alpha system?  G Single processor Alpha 4100 with one gig of memory running OpenVMS 7.1.i,  User load on the system is currently light.  @ >   Some general details of the application uptime requirements?  G User access required 7:00am to 7:00pm Monday - Friday.  This may changei5 if web access is granted to components in the system.i  E This is the first time anyone has tried to tune these files and a bigsD part of the problem is that we can't complete a convert on the largeE files in under twelve hours.  A rebuild from a sequential start takes-D 1.5 - 2.0 days.  Since the files are still growwing, this problem isH only going to get worse.  Since we haven't yet successfully tuned one ofE the large files, we don't know how much of an improvement we will seeG* once the file is tuned on a regular basis.  E I am fishing for ideas from anyone that has dealt with such large RMSsC files.  Until now, 0.5 gig is the largest RMS file I've dealt with.l  D I'll check out the RAXCO PerfectTune.  I messed with in once several8 years ago, but do not recall if it operates dynamically.  H I also ran some comparative tests on RMS Expert a few years back.  I didH not find that it worked any better than using an ANALYZE/RMS/FDL command/ followed by an EDIT/FDL/NOINTERACTIVE/ANALYSIS.     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 18:55:20 GMTf* From: Art Rice <arice.NOcSPAM@ue.itug.org> Subject: Re: We need VMS peoplet8 Message-ID: <vf9cmso0acrtvlalgvuqrsac4eq7qbdqk5@4ax.com>  3 On Thu, 6 Jul 2000 03:10:37 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"u <shannon@world.std.com> wrote:   > C >"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message,( >news:3963D432.5792CDB4@earthlink.net... >> Jon Power wrote:o >> >J >> > Sector 7 (www.sector7.com 800 VMS UNIX) has a need for high grade VMS >people9 >> > (is there any other kind).. >> >2 >> > We need people for non migration VMS projects >>K >> Probably _THE_ area where you're likely to get the best response in thist
 >> newsgroup.m >>	 >> [snip]BK >> > Also: We do a large amount of UNIX to UNIX porting and also we are nowe >> > seeing NT to UNIX.: >>C >> Don't be surprised if you start seeing NT -> VMS and UN*X -> VMS F >> migrations as disenchantment with NT and other unsupported software* >> (Linux, *BSD, etc.) continues to mount. >eE >I know of at least one instance in which a Capital District US Govt.eH >customer has migrated from NT to OpenVMS (never realized that the Govt. >possessed such wisdom). >Q  F That particular customer was probably overworked and signed a bunch ofD papers before leaving on a long holiday weekend.  Now their probablyE scratching their heads trying to figure out why online information isr1 suddenly "available" whenever they ask for it.      D The downside for the workers, less coffee breaks due to NT BSOD. :>)     -- s
 Art Rice   **A# Special Data Processing Corporationl& --------------------------------------' All opinions expressed are mine and do l% not reflect the views of my employer.i   ------------------------------  " Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 21:40:49 GMT0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com> Subject: Re: We need VMS peopleS& Message-ID: <FxCK0K.Gp3@world.std.com>  7 "Art Rice" <arice.NOcSPAM@ue.itug.org> wrote in messageo2 news:vf9cmso0acrtvlalgvuqrsac4eq7qbdqk5@4ax.com...5 > On Thu, 6 Jul 2000 03:10:37 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"w  > <shannon@world.std.com> wrote:   <snip> > >pG > >I know of at least one instance in which a Capital District US Govt.oJ > >customer has migrated from NT to OpenVMS (never realized that the Govt. > >possessed such wisdom). > >o >sH > That particular customer was probably overworked and signed a bunch ofF > papers before leaving on a long holiday weekend.  Now their probablyG > scratching their heads trying to figure out why online information ise0 > suddenly "available" whenever they ask for it. >0F > The downside for the workers, less coffee breaks due to NT BSOD. :>)  : I never thought of that, but you have a valid point there!  L That said, I have had minimal problems (other than OutHouse Express-related), with my PC since I upgraded to Windows 2000.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 13:30:42 -0500p% From: Chris Scheers <asi@airmail.net>b8 Subject: Re: what is the difference between SPX and non?O Message-ID: <6E977CBDDA0747BE.B54A45DBDE1B5DB6.9738F2C0DFFDE35F@lp.airnews.net>u   Beyonder wrote:e > $ > So the SPX has a built-in adapter?= > I have a model76 SPX which just sits there when powered on.eJ > I put in an 8plane graphics adapter and it at least does the video test.B > Silly question, but this doesn't run VMS, then what DOES it run?  F I don't have direct experience with a -76, but I think that it has theF same on board monochrome frame as the -30, -38, -40, and -48.  This is NOT the SPX graphics frame.:  @ If you had to put in a 8plane board, your machine just had a SPXE sticker, it wasn't really a SPX machine.  The SPX is a 8plane board. o) The GPX is another possible 8plane board.b  D There are several possibilities, but I suspect that your machine wasH configured to boot headless.  Flip the S3 switch and see if the boot nowD shows up on the graphics screen.  (Even if configured for use of theE alternate console, the video self tests will be visible if a graphics  screen is connected.)t  H There is another gotcha.  If you only have the onboard mono frame (i.e.,H no graphics card installed), you use a different video cable than if you have a graphics card.:  H Since you are seeing the video test (and nothing else, right?), I assumeD that you have a color video cable.  When you tried booting without aH 8plane board, you had the wrong video cable (you needed the mono cable),C so you saw nothing.  Since adding the 8plane board lets you see theoE graphics test, but nothing else, S3 is probably set for the alternate < console, so the self test info is going out the serial port.  
 Good luck!     > Bart Zorn wrote: > E > > The 3100 series workstations (all models, afaik) had a monochrome3N > > framebuffer on the motherboard. You could add different color adapters andP > > the most well known were the GPX (1024*860*8) and the SPX (1280*1024*8). The5 > > latter was a lot faster, but did not support VWS.o  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------f$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  G 817-237-3360 (Voice)    817-237-3074 (Fax)    Internet: asi@airmail.neto   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 13:30:51 -05000% From: Chris Scheers <asi@airmail.net>N8 Subject: Re: what is the difference between SPX and non?O Message-ID: <2F92B9C36D875A66.1DC470CB57E50F4B.D8585B56E215E135@lp.airnews.net>e   Adrian Lumsden wrote:o > 4 > And didn't there used to be a trick you could pull1 > by wiring a special connector so that you couldo, > drive both a monochrome and colour monitor' > at the same time? I.E. making a cheapm > dual headed workstation.  C Actually, you could also buy the cable from DEC.  It is a BC09E-06.S    i  * > Adrian Lumsden, XDT Computer Systems, UK$ > A dot Lumsden at xdt dot co dot uk > 7 > Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl> wrote in message ' > news:8k40dn$19c4$1@buty.wanadoo.nl...cE > > The 3100 series workstations (all models, afaik) had a monochrome J > > framebuffer on the motherboard. You could add different color adapters > andm= > > the most well known were the GPX (1024*860*8) and the SPX  > (1280*1024*8). The5 > > latter was a lot faster, but did not support VWS.  > >0 > > Hth, > >7
 > > Bart Zornm > >c2 > > "Beyonder" <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote in message% > > news:3965718A.3DCBF6A2@vrx.net...rC > > > I have a vaxstation3100 model76 with the letters "SPX" on thec > casing, isB > > > there any differences between this and a "normal" vs3100m76? > > > ! > > > Less or more powerful, etc?t > > > 
 > > > Thanks.y  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------t$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  G 817-237-3360 (Voice)    817-237-3074 (Fax)    Internet: asi@airmail.netn   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 04:07:02 +0500  From: Dan <dan@vrx.net>l8 Subject: Re: what is the difference between SPX and non?' Message-ID: <39666296.E419B12C@vrx.net>d   Chris Scheers wrote:  H > I don't have direct experience with a -76, but I think that it has theH > same on board monochrome frame as the -30, -38, -40, and -48.  This is > NOT the SPX graphics frame.s  A The SPX is the same unit just with the higher end graphics board.   B > If you had to put in a 8plane board, your machine just had a SPXF > sticker, it wasn't really a SPX machine.  The SPX is a 8plane board.+ > The GPX is another possible 8plane board.l  < It was an SPX machine, but the video board had been removed.  F > There are several possibilities, but I suspect that your machine wasJ > configured to boot headless.  Flip the S3 switch and see if the boot nowF > shows up on the graphics screen.  (Even if configured for use of theG > alternate console, the video self tests will be visible if a graphicst > screen is connected.)?  ; I had already done this, I use it with a monitor primarily.wO I have never gotten the alternate console to work, on over a dozen systems I'veh tried. I have no idea why.s  J > There is another gotcha.  If you only have the onboard mono frame (i.e.,J > no graphics card installed), you use a different video cable than if you > have a graphics card.a  . right, I had forgotten all about this... sigh.  J > Since you are seeing the video test (and nothing else, right?), I assumeF > that you have a color video cable.  When you tried booting without aJ > 8plane board, you had the wrong video cable (you needed the mono cable),E > so you saw nothing.  Since adding the 8plane board lets you see the G > graphics test, but nothing else, S3 is probably set for the alternateb> > console, so the self test info is going out the serial port.  9 yes, when booted without the board I had the wrong cable.s+ the self test is going to the main console.f  P I have a "color" option board as well. I will check because I might even have an SPX card someplace.o0 which brings up an interesting question (sorta).K if you put an SPX graphics board into a regular model76, what is it? <grin>    Dan.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Jul 2000 00:09 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)n7 Subject: Re: [Q] Does VMS support IDE for system disks?0, Message-ID: <8JUL200000092325@gerg.tamu.edu>  X Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) writes...b }In article <8k52l0$47r@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes: }> In article <afdFIyzMH7yB@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) writes:iK }>>        What I'd like to know is whether  IDE drives are now, or will beeK }>>    in  the (near) future, supported on VMS/Alpha as a system disk?   If K }>>    not, I wouldn't mind hearing the usual litany of problems  that  IDE > }>>    poses vis-a-vis support by VMS and/or performance, etc. }> rM }> I installed 7.2-1 on a DS10 with an IDE disk and ran it that way for a dayiN }> or so for some network benchmarking tests.  The IDE disk didn't give me anyL }> problems. I did not test the speed of the disk, but if it's anything likeK }> IDE vs. SCSI on WNT, then the IDE drive will be considerably slower. ...- } I }        Thanks David.  That's the  sort  of  thing  I was interested in,aI }    that the IDE would "work" (and I just received confirmation from Jay9I }    Olson that his DS10L came with VMS 7.2-1 FIS on the 10GB IDE drive),,I }    but  that there _are_ performance differences between IDE and  SCSI,>I }    the SCSI being "UltraSCSI" in the present case.  Can  someone  quoteb }    bandwidth numbers for IDE?  }  }        Thanks, Ken }-- N } Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu  A It depends on the IDE. It can be anywhere from 16.6 MB/sec max upiC to 100MB/sec (although that is brand spanking new - too new for the , DS10 to have even if they were so inclined).  # If I recall the naming correctly...o Plain old IDE is 16.6MB/sec.< "ATA Ultra DMA/33" is 33MB/sec. (Sometimes called Ultra 33.)I "ATA Ultra2 DMA/66" is 66MB/sec. (Sometimes called Ultra 66, or Ultra-2.)dK I suspect you see the progression here and can guess what the new 100MB/secuG version is likely to be called when it hits the market (which may be asb soon as later this month).  G My guess is the the DS10 has the "plain old" version, but it might havei the Ultra-33 flavor.  J The main problem with NT and its IDE speeds is that it doesn't do DMA withK them in the "out of the box" configuration. It is possible that a 3rd partyoG driver would do it by default, but without that you have to obtain MS'suG "dmacheck" utility either from their web site or from a Service Pack CDnK (I recall hearing that it was on the SP4 CD - I don't know about earlier or;M later SP CDs) or it might be on the "Resource Pack" CD and other such places.sH NT's native disk I/O is to use PIO mode 4. This has a peak throughput ofK 16.6MB/sec but is, naturally, less likely to sustain anything near the peak K than the DMA enabled version even on the same "non-Ultra" IDE, 16.6 MB/sec, 
 interface.  D If you have a single disk of 7200 RPM or less on the interface, thenG 16.6MB/sec should be sufficient (it is possible that some 7200RPM disksuF use a high enough data density that they can exceed this transfer rateJ to/from the media at this rotational speed - the one I just got last monthH peaks at something around 12MB/sec according to the specs on the box). AI 10,00RPM disk can exceed that rate by a rather large amount - they can beyL up in the vicinity of 30MB/sec at the fast end of the disk, so you'd want atK least Ultra-33 for one of those to keep the disk from having to wait on the=I comparatively slow interface. The brand spanking new 15,000 RPM disks cantL exceed 40MB/sec at the fast end of the disk, so you'd want at least Ultra-66 for one of those.l  L The SCSI disks are also generally "smarter" than IDE/ATA disks are, althoughK the IDA/ATA disks do aparently do read ahead and suchlike these days so the=) difference may not be very large anymore.f   --- Carl   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 01:52:20 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>07 Subject: Re: [Q] Does VMS support IDE for system disks?c( Message-ID: <8k6ff7$aq5$1@pyrite.mv.net>  0 Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515. <Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU> wrote in message- news:T1Ay9LomeCnN@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu...s   ...   J >         Thanks David.  That's the  sort  of  thing  I was interested in,J >     that the IDE would "work" (and I just received confirmation from JayJ >     Olson that his DS10L came with VMS 7.2-1 FIS on the 10GB IDE drive),J >     but  that there _are_ performance differences between IDE and  SCSI,J >     the SCSI being "UltraSCSI" in the present case.  Can  someone  quote  >     bandwidth numbers for IDE?  J About the only serious *physical* bandwidth deficiency IDE has relative toH SCSI is that current IDE drives are currently available only to 7200 rpmL speeds, while high-end SCSI drives can reach 10K, 12K, and now 15K rpm, withJ commensurately higher peak bandwidth (since recording densities tend to beE comparable) and commensurately lower average rotational latency.  ThenK high-end SCSI drives also seek somewhat faster (the fastest averaging, say,d< 5 ms. vs. around 7 ms. for the fastest high-end IDE drives).  L However, there is another significant limitation.  While the more recent IDEH standards (e.g., UDMA-66 and later - I'm not sure about UDMA-33) supportG disconnectable operation and command tagged queuing similar to the SCSI I facilities of the same names, and some newer drives (e.g., IBM's) supportmG these facilities, I haven't yet heard of any IDE *drivers* that support J them.  So, while you can kind of fudge around this by enabling drive-levelD read-ahead caching (sometimes referred to as 'track caching') to getK streaming-read performance at close to peak physical platter bandwidth, youhH can only obtain good streaming-write performance by enabling drive-levelL write-behind caching - which is not advisable when using a file system (suchH as VMS's) that depends upon controlling the order of disk writes for itsL integrity after, e.g., a  power failure (unless you treat every such failureJ as a disk failure and restore the disk from backups, which is probably not what you had in mind).  F So for now don't plan on getting more than about 1/4th of the physical' platter bandwidth for streaming writes.    - bill   >l >         Thanks, Kenr > --/ >  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet:o Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edug< >  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924< >  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515L >  ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----D >  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.378 ************************essed with in once several8 years ago, but do not recall if it operates dynamically.  H I also ran some comparative tests on RMS Expert a few years back.  I didH not find that it worked any better than using an ANALYZE/RMS/FDL command/ followed by an EDIT/FDL/NOINTERACTIVE/ANALYSIS.     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.l   ------------------------------  # Da{n}cmys~8oߧh
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