1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 10 Jul 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 383       Contents: $persona services 7.2 Alpha  Advice on porting UNIX -> VMS ! Re: Advice on porting UNIX -> VMS ! Re: Advice on porting UNIX -> VMS ! Re: Advice on porting UNIX -> VMS  Re: Affordable: A Clarification 
 Boot Block Re: Boot Block Re: Cobol ISAM Question  Re: DCL vs. "real" programming Re: DCL vs. "real" programming re:  RE: DEC hard disk info  RE: error parsing 'snapshot'! FTP from VMS via Firewall problem % Re: FTP from VMS via Firewall problem % Re: FTP from VMS via Firewall problem 3 GUARANTEED way to instantly have EXCELLENT CREDIT!!  Re: internet mailer, mail relay 0 Looking for VMS source code (any version really)4 Re: Looking for VMS source code (any version really)4 Re: Looking for VMS source code (any version really)$ Re: MIN BOOT problem - openVMS 5.5-2$ Re: Mitnick (was Re: Fun VMS Facts?)$ RE: Multinet port numbers being used RE: Obtaining User Input Re: ODS-5 support on VAX. Re: OpenVMS clusters vs other systems clusters* Problem solved: VLC/Internal Seagate drive Re[2]: error parsing 'snapshot' # RE: Re[2]: error parsing 'snapshot'  RE: RMS filesize RE: RMS filesize SAMBA / OPENVMS ) Re: Small, simple desktop or deskside VAX : Re: Summer 2000 OpenVMS TIMES Now Available on CPQ Website: Re: Summer 2000 OpenVMS TIMES Now Available on CPQ Website# Re: Sybase TCP errors on Alpha VMS. # TCPIP remote node in audit security  Re: Trapping a STOP/IDH Re: UNICENTER PERFORMANCE DATA COLLECTOR - DOES NOT INSTALL ON VMS 7.2!!H Re: UNICENTER PERFORMANCE DATA COLLECTOR - DOES NOT INSTALL ON VMS 7.2!!H Re: UNICENTER PERFORMANCE DATA COLLECTOR - DOES NOT INSTALL ON VMS 7.2!!H Re: UNICENTER PERFORMANCE DATA COLLECTOR - DOES NOT INSTALL ON VMS 7.2!!H Re: UNICENTER PERFORMANCE DATA COLLECTOR - DOES NOT INSTALL ON VMS 7.2!! Why not?* WTB: Small, simple desktop or deskside VAX. Re: WTB: Small, simple desktop or deskside VAX  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 03:12:15 -0700 5 From: Richard  <maher_rjNOmaSPAM@hotmail.com.invalid> $ Subject: $persona services 7.2 Alpha9 Message-ID: <0e4df34f.d1c3706e@usw-ex0110-076.remarq.com>    Hi,   9 Is there anyone here that can help me with some questions ; regarding the new persona system services on Alpha VMS 7.2? : Sorry, I don't have access to 7.2 at the moment or I'd try
 it myself.  9 Can the relationship between RESERVE and DELEGATE be 1:M? 9 By one-to-many I mean, once the server (execution server) : has reserved a persona space can the client (communication5 server) delegate to it or re-write the space multiple ; times? The alternative would be for the execution server to 6 have to DELETE the used persona and then reserve a new7 space and tell the communication server what its ID is, : when the unit of work had been completed. Maybe that's not a bad thing?  7 I think the synchronization work that the VMS engineers 8 have done on this has to be outstanding but surely we're6 gonna need a $personna_fix/secure/stable? or are there2 restrictions on when the new persona will kick in?  5 The on-line VMS documentation is fantastic. But I was 1 confused with the SS Ref. For RESERVE it said the 8 client_pid is and "External Process Identification EPID)6 and for DELEGATE it called the server pid an "Extended8 Process ID (PID)" Being longwords I assume that they are1 just PIDs and the documentation reflects a failed 0 rebranding exercise to do with threads? OpenPID?  8 What is the relative performance of CREATE and FIND? I'd9 suspect that FIND would be exponantially faster. In which : case would it be sensible at communication server (client): startup time to trawl through SYSUAF with $GETUAI and pre-< load every persona that may be used (or even just every non-: disabled/expired persona)? At least we'd have a consistent2 "Vintage" date for all personae in use. (In case a& shutdown/startup refresh is required).  7 With new functionality like the persona system services 4 coming out (all the time) how can anyone doubt VMS's; future. I just wish the same engineers could now be shifted 2 to upgrading DECdtm to be TIP XA TCP/IP compliant.   Regards Richard Maher.     * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:52:35 GMT  From: mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk & Subject: Advice on porting UNIX -> VMS1 Message-ID: <3969d139.20328250@usenet.force9.net>    Hi,   F I need to port some code written for UNIX (Solaris & AIX) to VMS.  The code uses the following :-   * POSIX threads ? * SYSV IPC (Semaphores, Shared Memory) and the ftok() function.  * TCP & UDP sockets.  C Can anyone give me any help and/or point me to some good resources?    TIA,      
 Mark Williams  http://www.techop.co.uk    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:19:24 -0400 " From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>* Subject: Re: Advice on porting UNIX -> VMS: Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.0.20000710101328.00bb8960@24.8.96.48>  9 At 01:52 PM 7/10/00 +0000, mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk wrote:  >Hi, > G >I need to port some code written for UNIX (Solaris & AIX) to VMS.  The  >code uses the following :-  >  >* POSIX threads  C You should be just fine here, though do try and test the code on a  K multi-processor machine. (It's my experience that VMS' threading is better  H than Solaris', which means you may trip over bugs in your code that you  didn't realize were there)  @ >* SYSV IPC (Semaphores, Shared Memory) and the ftok() function.  L This will be a pain--VMS does it very differently. You may find the porting L library at http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/ips/porting.html F helpful, but then again you may not. You may need to roll some jacket F routines that look Unixish but use the underlying VMS system services.   >* TCP & UDP sockets.   L This is probably a no-brainer, which is good. The Berkeley socket interface  is standard in Dec C.   D >Can anyone give me any help and/or point me to some good resources?  F Check out the docset at http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/index.html H (particularly the Guide to DECThreads) and the Dec C docs, available at < http://www.openvms.digital.com/commercial/c/index_alpha.htm.   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"------------------- 2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and even ;                                       teddy bears get drunk    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Jul 2000 15:21:26 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)* Subject: Re: Advice on porting UNIX -> VMS6 Message-ID: <8kcplm$q76$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Q In article <3969d139.20328250@usenet.force9.net>, mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk writes: B :I need to port some code written for UNIX (Solaris & AIX) to VMS.  H   The usual problems involved in porting often involve fork (as opposed G   to the fork/exec pair, available as vfork) and the use of select for  H   files, or for files and for sockets.  (select currently works only for5   sockets.)  Both of these areas are being worked on.     :The code uses the following :-  :  :* POSIX threads  9   Available.  DECthreads.  (Included as part of OpenVMS.)   @ :* SYSV IPC (Semaphores, Shared Memory) and the ftok() function.  B   Various of this stuff is currently under development.  (I do not;   know the specific status and plans around the ftok call.)    :* TCP & UDP sockets.   @   Available.  TCP/IP Services.  (Usually licensed with OpenVMS.)  D :Can anyone give me any help and/or point me to some good resources?  I   Please contact me offline, if you are interested -- I certainly cannot  J   promise participation in a field test, but we are working on this whole E   area (of porting to OpenVMS) and I can get you in contact with the  #   relevent OpenVMS Product Manager.    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:25:20 -0400 4 From: "John L Ferguson" <John.L.Ferguson@compaq.com>* Subject: Re: Advice on porting UNIX -> VMS6 Message-ID: <8kcpu6$qas$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  : There are also some porting "jacket" routines available atA http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/ips/porting.html.    John   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Jul 2000 07:06:18 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)( Subject: Re: Affordable: A Clarification. Message-ID: <8kbsla$21m$1@info.service.rug.nl>  @ In article <39693262.4E0C158@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera"& <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:   G >My PRIMARY thrust is AFFORDABLE OPENVMS. VAXes are history, but Alphas % >are both the present and the future.   G There are a lot of VAXen still around (making Intel chips, among other  G things) and for many folks that's all they need.  Don't neglect them.   " Of course, ALPHA is where it's at.  B >OpenVMS on Intel is an absolute necessity; however it is *NOT* my >primary thrust.  I As discussed many times, the cost of a port cannot be justified.  Anyone  I really interested in VMS can get a cheap ALPHA or even VAX.  Comparisons  I with Linux are moot.  Again, we should not care if the rest of the world  G runs something else, as long as enough people run what we want to make  G it viable.  Don't forget, also, that VMS, VAX and ALPHA were developed  I by the same company, which is one reason they are so good.  This synergy  % will not exist between VMS and Intel.   C >We need to get the prices down so OpenVMS will sell. The resulting 6 >revenue stream will more than pay for the Intel port.  > The folks in VMS engineering seem to have other views on this.  G What revenue?  The comparison with linux is so obvious that folks will  . be disappointed when they have to pay for VMS.  F As I've stated many times, the way to achieve what we want is to have + token-fee licenses for start-up businesses.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:26:20 +0200 ) From: "Tomer Cohen" <tomer@flashmail.com>  Subject: Boot Block 0 Message-ID: <8kctg5$6jl$1@news.netvision.net.il>  K Does someone have any idea what could possibly destroy the boot block on an  Alpha VMS 6.2 system?    -- Tomer Cohen  Tomer@FlashMail.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:22:13 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Boot Block + Message-ID: <8kd0o7$j7e@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   _ "Tomer Cohen" <tomer@flashmail.com> wrote in message news:8kctg5$6jl$1@news.netvision.net.il... M > Does someone have any idea what could possibly destroy the boot block on an  > Alpha VMS 6.2 system?   I Running the Windows/NT disk administrator on a dual boot system is a good M way. Moving the file that it points to: APB.EXE will also effectively make it I useless; a defragmenter might possibly do that, although it should be set > NOMOVE. Even just purging SYS$SYSTEM, when you are unknowingly& using a prior version could be enough.  I Dumping out the boot block and looking at the contents might give a clue.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 06:36:52 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>  Subject: Re: Cobol ISAM Question' Message-ID: <39696F04.3C04410F@home.nl>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Dirk Munk wrote:J > > APPLY PREALLOCATION and APPLY EXTENSION will do this, but only for the > > whole file.  > P > Ah, thanks. looked up the manual. It is in the I-O-CONTROL section whcih I had
 > never used.   " Like so many other programmers :-)G Actually it is one of the most important paragraphs there is if you are ( interested in speeding up your programs.   >  > I-C-CONTROL. >         APPLY  >                 EXTENSION xxx # >                 PREALLOCATION yyy 5 >                 CONTIBUOUS (or CONTIGUOUS-BEST-TRY)  >                 ON filename. > K > > However in general it is NOT a very good practice to populate a indexed ? > > file of any substantial size by means of a (Cobol) program.  > O > But sometimes, it is easier to use the same program used for daily updates to 4 > do the initial populate. (and do a convert later). > M > However, if you insert records in ascending key order, whether you do it in N > COBOL or by converting a sequential file, does it make any difference in the > resulting file ?  F Maybe not for the primary key (but I'm not 100% sure), but the problem remains for the alternate keys.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:33:29 +0000 $ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk' Subject: Re: DCL vs. "real" programming / Message-ID: <00256918.0050132A.00@quegw01.btyp>   = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza   K I recall (about 5 years ago) coming across a product which claimed it could L compile DCL into Fortran. I don't remember the name of it unfortunately, butL when I'm next at home I'll have a dig around in the attic amongst all my oldO paperwork (why on earth do I keep it all...) and see if I can locate it, unless   anyone else can come up with it.   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pages         C hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) on 07/07/2000 15:28:30     To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages) O From:      hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), 7 July 2000, 3:28 p.m.    Re: DCL vs. "real" programming          > In article <39648297.EB95F280@nc.prestige.net>, Michael Austin! <maustin@nc.prestige.net> writes: - :This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   -   Please turn off MIME when posting.  Thanks!   M :I seem to recall an internal DEC program that I saw in "the Mill" that would N :actually compile the DCL.  At the time I saw it, it would take a complex MVIIC :almost 20 minutes to boot.  With the compiled DCL, only 3 minutes.   G   The tool you likely recall involved using an image to issue a variety D   of lib$set_symbol and related operations.  SMOP.  This tool was inC   rather common use on systems that are as slow as the MicroVAX II.   H   I am not particularly aware of any internally-developed DCL compilers,H   but I have seen a few attempts -- baseline DCL isn't that difficult toJ   compile, but the image activations and the rather more twisted stuff youI   can do DCL procedures make the compilation task rather interesting.  In H   various cases, you have no idea what command will be invoked until youH   run the procedure -- this makes compiling interesting.  (To be able toG   perform the run-down involved when invoking images, you need to use a H   CLI-style environment, or you need to use a separate process.  This toE   keep from stomping on the currently-executing run-time environment. E   Of course, simple tools that set up a bazzillion symbols or perform F   basic DCL would be fairly easy to compile -- the symbol substitutionF   and the innate bizzareness of certain DCL constructs would be rather   tougher to contend with.)    :I often wonder J :what happened to those neat tools that you only saw as an employee of the) :company... and there were lot's of them.   G   Yep, many find their way onto the Freeware, or into products that are 2   available via the Compaq services organizations.  ( :Like FTSV which used VMS copy and if itO :got interrupted, you could restart it and it would pick up at the block number L :where it left off.  Really great when the only interoffice connection was a  :not-so-reliable 56K connection.  D   FTSV and particularly FTSO are available externally.  For details,
   please see:   '     http://www.digital.com/info/SP5443/     N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:36:01 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>' Subject: Re: DCL vs. "real" programming 7 Message-ID: <200007101036_MC2-ABBA-205B@compuserve.com>   H         There was and maybe still is.  Last I heard of it, several years% ago, the author was still selling it.    Channel Islands Software 16430 Cattle Drive Springville, CAn   (209) 539-0314  G         I believe the name of the author/owner/salesperson/?  was FrankN Noell.  H         I believe that the product had/has some limitations.   Since theJ meaning of a DCL statement depends on the runtime environment, a compiler=  F can't guarantee a compiled program that will duplicate the effect of a* piece of DCL in *any* runtime environment.  ? Message text written by INTERNET:Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.ukVF >I recall (about 5 years ago) coming across a product which claimed it couldyH compile DCL into Fortran. I don't remember the name of it unfortunately, butnH when I'm next at home I'll have a dig around in the attic amongst all my oldyH paperwork (why on earth do I keep it all...) and see if I can locate it, unless  anyone else can come up with it. <c   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:48:10 +0100n/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>n$ Subject: re:  RE: DEC hard disk info6 Message-ID: <009ECDF5.912E5ACE.8@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>   >  >  > ) > On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Nigel Arnot wrote:t >  > > > N > > > Thanks for all this info - I can now go a step further in reviving threeH > > > DECStation 3100's. You don't by any chance have manuals or the SRM% > > > monitor command set for a 3100?  > > N > > Not sure what a DECstation 3100 is. I have manual for a *VAX*station 3100,J > > and for a *DEC*station 3000 model 300. The latter often got informally: > > called a 3300, but AFAIK there never was a model 100.  > J > We have DEC 3000 model 400 and 600 AXP systems (these definitely say DECK > rather than DECstation) and these have the Alpha CPU. The DECstation 3100-J > has a MIPS CPU - ours run Ultrix 4.5 but I think you can also run VMS onJ > them. Could it be that a DECstation 3100 supplied with VMS pre-installed  > was badged as VAXstation 3100?    No, but you've jogged my memory.  M The very first Digital MIPS-chipped system was indeed badged DECstation-3100,0K and came in the same box as a VAXstation (different CPU chip though). LateruJ DEC MIPS offerings were badged DECstation 5000 and came in the wider metal, box later used by AlphaStation 3000 systems.  E Can't help with manuals, I'm afraid.  Console won't be anything like.t  I Out of interest, why are you spending time on something that old and slown6 rather than replacing it with a Pentium running Linux?  	 			Nigel.D   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:20:03 -0300 1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>u% Subject: RE: error parsing 'snapshot'wK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A333616@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>e  ) 	Maybe it's just my ignorance but what is $ /SYS$BACK:[000000]LU12_00-07-07.LU -K Not a VMS qualifier to my knowledge, this may explain why you are getting at- CLI error.  As for batch jobs not running ??.h - Darren   > ----------3 > From: 	System administrator at Remeis Observatorys1 > Bamberg[SMTP:system@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de]x& > Sent: 	Friday, July 07, 2000 5:25 AM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com$ > Subject: 	error parsing 'snapshot' >  > Dear colleagues, > E >    Details:     AlphaStation 400 4/233   (our Alpha cluster server)n! >                 OpenVMS 7.1-1H1E > C >    when submitting batch jobs we encounter errors as follows (for($ > example when attempting a backup): >  >  u, >    BACKUP/IMAGE/NOASSIST/BLOCK=65000/LOG -) >    /SYS$BACK:[000000]LU12_00-07-07.LU - L >     DISK1: TEMP:LU12_00-07-07.BCK/SAVE/LABEL=LUCKY/REWIND/IGNORE=INTERLOCK >  F) > %CLI-F-SYNTAX, error parsing 'SNAPSHOT' < > -CLI-E-ENTNF, specified entity not found in command tables >  u > F >    However, this has probably nothing to do with the BACKUP command,F > because we get similar problems when invoking any other .com file inG > batch mode, while the same .com runs normally when directly executed.aI > We do not always get the same error message like above with other batch L > jobs, but in any case execution of batch jobs is  e x t r e m e l y  s l o > w. > I >    This problem occurs since we applied ECO  ALPSYS20_071 (well, that'stH > my guess, because since  a b o u t  that time these errors occur, I amB > not 100% sure that our problem is related to this system patch). >  >    Thanks for any hints. >  >      Greetings,  >                  Horst >  >  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and6J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they L are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingu of this message is prohibited.   Bank of Bermuda1F **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:54:00 GMT. From: graculuss@my-deja.com:* Subject: FTP from VMS via Firewall problem) Message-ID: <8kckhg$km1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>d   Hi all,oC     Here's a brief description of a problem I'm having and any help G would be appreciated. (If this requires an RTFM answer please accept myt@ apologies in advance). VMS is V7.1 the TCP/IP stack is UCX V4.2.  E I have a VMS box and a TANDEM box, separated by a (NT) firewall, I amrG the VMS system manager and have little or no knowledge or controll overSD the firewall or Tandem. I (my employer actually!!) want the firewallD security to be tied down very tightly and ideally want to only allowD point to point access using specific protocols and desiganted ports.B Here's what happens when I try and send a file from VMS to Tandem:  @ VMS opens an FTP connection to TANDEM specifically on port 7000.6 VMS generates an outgoing (local) port number of xxxx.C Tandem generates an outgoing port number 6999, to talk back to port 
 xxxx+1 on VMSC  6 Now the firewall product (Firewall1) allows me to say:  % "Let VMS talk to port 7000 on Tandem"/& "Let Tandem talk to port 6999 on VMS".  G But as VMS generates the xxxx port number each time I initiate a copy I F can't code this port into the Firewall (similarly if I don't know what1 xxxx is I can't know what xxxx+1 is going to be).e  9 At the moment we have to have the firewall set up to say:   % "Let VMS and Tandem talk on any port"   E which is seen to be a security issue. I am guessing that if I write a C server program on VMS I could set it up as a service on UCX using ae> designated port and if so I would have a solution for xxxx ( &C therefore xxxx+1), am I right, and if so could I create the serviceD- using a DCL procedure rather than a 3(4) GL ?    TIA.   Martyn    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:11:14 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) . Subject: Re: FTP from VMS via Firewall problem0 Message-ID: <009ECDE8.063BA27D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  G In article <8kckhg$km1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, graculuss@my-deja.com writes:t >Hi all,D >    Here's a brief description of a problem I'm having and any helpH >would be appreciated. (If this requires an RTFM answer please accept myA >apologies in advance). VMS is V7.1 the TCP/IP stack is UCX V4.2.n >oF >I have a VMS box and a TANDEM box, separated by a (NT) firewall, I amH >the VMS system manager and have little or no knowledge or controll overE >the firewall or Tandem. I (my employer actually!!) want the firewallhE >security to be tied down very tightly and ideally want to only allow E >point to point access using specific protocols and desiganted ports.eC >Here's what happens when I try and send a file from VMS to Tandem:  >kA >VMS opens an FTP connection to TANDEM specifically on port 7000.u7 >VMS generates an outgoing (local) port number of xxxx.rD >Tandem generates an outgoing port number 6999, to talk back to port >xxxx+1 on VMS > 7 >Now the firewall product (Firewall1) allows me to say:d >a& >"Let VMS talk to port 7000 on Tandem"' >"Let Tandem talk to port 6999 on VMS".  >0H >But as VMS generates the xxxx port number each time I initiate a copy IG >can't code this port into the Firewall (similarly if I don't know whatm2 >xxxx is I can't know what xxxx+1 is going to be). >e: >At the moment we have to have the firewall set up to say: >/& >"Let VMS and Tandem talk on any port" >-F >which is seen to be a security issue. I am guessing that if I write aD >server program on VMS I could set it up as a service on UCX using a? >designated port and if so I would have a solution for xxxx ( &2D >therefore xxxx+1), am I right, and if so could I create the service. >using a DCL procedure rather than a 3(4) GL ? >O >TIA.  >e >Martynt >, >t' >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/u >Before you buy.  C I've had a similar problem with machines behind a router doing NAT.sB Use passive FTP.  The UCX server will acknowledge the passive mode/ request but I'm no sure the client provides it.        --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMn   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jul 2000 17:38:11 +0100T From: pmoreau@cenaath.cena.dgac.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.64.40). Subject: Re: FTP from VMS via Firewall problem! Message-ID: <crC41smpOFGB@gaelic>g  1 In article <009ECDE8.063BA27D@SendSpamHere.ORG>, l? system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:  [...]s > E > I've had a similar problem with machines behind a router doing NAT.tD > Use passive FTP.  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Robertson Blvd. m	 Suite 625g Beverly Hills, CA 90210B   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:25:15 GMT - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> ( Subject: Re: internet mailer, mail relay( Message-ID: <3969CEB8.D8A0130B@ohio.edu>  E To the best of my knowledge, disabling relay with MadGoat MX requiress- V5, which is commercial (not free) software. v   				RDPp     FAZEKAS Mihaly wrote:i > H > Can i find (free, without xx day evaluation,...) internet mailer, wich$ > is default disable the mail relay? > B > Or how can i configure the MadGoat MX042 for disable mail relay? >  > --" > mailto:michael@goliat.eik.bme.hu > Phone: 463-1966S   -- eB ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:21:23 GMTe! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>-9 Subject: Looking for VMS source code (any version really)8' Message-ID: <3969DBE2.394C72B6@vrx.net>w  > I'm looking for just about any version of the VMS source code,A microfiche or whatever format you have (although I really dislikeMH fiche), some sort of electronic version is preferred (CD, whatever). Any2 version from 3.1 to 7.2 (obviously) would be fine.  E Either to purchase or just to borrow for study. I have a one-time useS project I need this for.   Thanks.1   B.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:22:10 GMTa( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>= Subject: Re: Looking for VMS source code (any version really),' Message-ID: <FxHpGz.D2y@spcuna.spc.edu>   # Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:0@ > I'm looking for just about any version of the VMS source code,C > microfiche or whatever format you have (although I really dislike-J > fiche), some sort of electronic version is preferred (CD, whatever). Any4 > version from 3.1 to 7.2 (obviously) would be fine. > G > Either to purchase or just to borrow for study. I have a one-time useh > project I need this for.  J   Part number QB-MT1AB-E8 is available directly from Compaq (800-DIGITAL).K It's the VMS V7.2-1 Alpha listings. Lead time is 4 days, price is $2284.00.gG The VAX listings for V7.2 is part number QB-001AB-E8, same price, 7 daya
 lead time.  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.como5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAa   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:15:45 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> = Subject: Re: Looking for VMS source code (any version really)0, Message-ID: <396A04B8.2F282930@videotron.ca>   Terry Kennedy wrote:L >   Part number QB-MT1AB-E8 is available directly from Compaq (800-DIGITAL).M > It's the VMS V7.2-1 Alpha listings. Lead time is 4 days, price is $2284.00. I > The VAX listings for V7.2 is part number QB-001AB-E8, same price, 7 dayt > lead time.  N How different are the VAX and ALPHA listings ? How quickly is the gap wideningI between the two ? (with ODS-5, I susopect that a big gap was introduced).a  E Do a lot of modules contain #IFDEF (or langage equivalents) for cross N compilation on ALPHA/VAX , or do the engineers truly maintain a different code6 base for both platforms  for the majority of modules ?   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jul 2000 08:31:50 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)r- Subject: Re: MIN BOOT problem - openVMS 5.5-2t+ Message-ID: <AwPtp0lME$Mz@eisner.decus.org>O  c In article <056b01bfea2c$c16c15d0$020a0a0a@xile.realm>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> writes:CA > In article <8karpt$hiv$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>, "Randy Park"e) >  <rjpark@mindspring.com.nospaam> wrote:p > 5 >>If memory serves me correctly, the # prompt is usedH0 >>when VMS is prompting for a 'system' password.0 >>This password is set by the system manager and. >>must be entered by everyone prior to getting >>the login prompt.o > G > It is also documented that there is no prompt at all for the 'system'o > password.e  @ There is a character sent to the terminal at that time, however,? which effectively serves the same purpose.  It defaults to BEL,cC but can be adjusted to #.  I supposed BEL might even be transformede to # by unmatched baud rates.m  - $ MCR SYSGEN HELP Sys_Parameters TTY_AUTOCHARo   SYS_PARAMETERS     TTY_AUTOCHAR  F        TTY_AUTOCHAR sets the character the terminal driver echoes when,        the job controller has been notified.  +        TTY_AUTOCHAR is a DYNAMIC parameter.*   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:33:08 GMTa= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)r- Subject: Re: Mitnick (was Re: Fun VMS Facts?)r0 Message-ID: <009ECDB8.CAF80AA6@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Z In article <3969442C.3F6AF442@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >Beyonder wrote: >> aK >> So Peter, where can someone get ahold of the VMS source code these days?fK >> I saw someone posting the sources (microfiche) for versins 3.1 to 4.3 on1 >> ebay* >> but missed out on it. >> *7 >> Would finding an old source be very hard these days?- >> - >> Dan.  >,N >Contact Compaq.  They sell a CD (I believe) with the LISTINGS, not the actualO >sources.  Not too hard to convert listings to code.  Don't know price, but may I >have heard something like $2000 at sometime in the past. I believe Briana. >(VAXMAN) gets these, ask him about the price.  G There is an initial fee for the source listings service which is aroundVG $2K.  Then there is an anual fee for the service which is about $65/mo.IG I once remarked here that it is cheaper than my cable TV service month-o ly fee.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMo   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:39:49 -0400 , From: Jeff Schreiber <schreiber@process.com>- Subject: RE: Multinet port numbers being used . Message-ID: <009ECDD2.DF9398CD.78@process.com>  / carl@gergl1.gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writesn1 >Jeff Schreiber <schreiber@process.com> writes...r) >}  $ Define mu$sda multinet:multinet$sdab >}  $ anal/sys >}  SDA> mu show/conn  >} aG >Does this show connections that don't show up with MULT SHOW/CONN=ALL? & >This does show listening connections.  G     After sending my note, I went looking for a way to add the list of aH     listeners to the MU SHOW command.  I had played with MU SHOW/ALL andK     saw that didn't get it, and hadn't checked mu show/conn=all until aftere     I sent my response.l  J     It shouldn't show any more connections than the MU SHOW/CONN=all list.K     And you should probably use MU SHOW/CONN instead of the SDA extensions.   ;                                                       -Jeff    --1 Jeff Schreiber,            Process Software Corp. 1 schreiber@mx.process.com   http://www.process.come,       TCPware & MultiNet: Stronger than Ever   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:08:32 -0300o1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>a! Subject: RE: Obtaining User Input K Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A333615@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>F  D Try and stay away from INQUIRE but instead use READ/PROMPT, for more% information enter "HELP READ /PROMPT"n   Example:  8 $  READ /PROMPT="Enter Integer : "  sys$command response" $  response = f$integer (response) $ write sys$output response  7r   - Darren   > ---------- > From:s? > sfm1115@bjcmail.carenet.org[SMTP:sfm1115@bjcmail.carenet.org]/& > Sent: 	Friday, July 07, 2000 9:21 AM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: 	Obtaining User Input > H > If I am writing a script which needs to have a user type in an integerH > value when prompted, would I use the INQUIRE command in the script and, > if so, how to I conver that to an integer. >  >  > Thanks >  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andsJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyeL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingh of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudacF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jul 2000 12:35:16 -0500- From: Graham Allan <allan@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu>/! Subject: Re: ODS-5 support on VAXp0 Message-ID: <w53puolq46j.fsf@lanark.spa.umn.edu>  4 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  \ > In article <39669276.25816913@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > :Graham Allan wrote:G > :> I have a quick question about support for ODS5 filesystems on VAX.L > I >   ODS-5 support is missing from OpenVMS VAX RMS, and from various host  K >   commands and utilities on OpenVMS VAX.  Various parts of the necessary mK >   ODS-5 support *do* exist on OpenVMS VAX, however.  MOUNT, the XQP, and wL >   various other hunks of OpenVMS VAX are capable of dealing with an ODS-5 M >   disk.  That said, I do not know of any current plans to add full support tK >   for ODS-5 on OpenVMS VAX -- though if your OpenVMS VAX application can :N >   read and write and otherwise operate within the ODS-2 filename namespace, 4 >   it will operate on an ODS-5 disk on OpenVMS VAX. > E > :> I'm setting up a mixed cluster - adding a new Alpha system to an7I > :> existing VAX cluster, to be precise. The Alpha is running VMS 7.2-1,aI > :> the VAXes are still running 6.2 (they will of course also be updated G > :> to 7.2, but ideally I'd rather leave them alone until the Alpha is  > :> further along in setup).  > :> sL > :> One of the disks on the new Alpha system is initialized to ODS-5 format> > :> (which seems to make most sense for current large disks). > :mL > :I'm not sure what you are refering to above.  Why is ODS-5 most sensible? > M >   Correct.  ODS-5 is not particularly relevent here, this is a question of  L >   the disk cluster size supported, and this support is available on ODS-5 4 >   and ODS-2 on OpenVMS VAX and on OpenVMS Alpha.   > M >   OpenVMS systems prior to V7.2 cannot mount these big-bitmap/small-cluster|D >   disks, nor can these older systems mount and access ODS-5 disks.  $ So the summary is, then (I believe):  G 1) I mistakenly thought that the large-bitmap/small-cluster feature was=@ one of the new attributes of ODS-5, and unavailable under ODS-2.  J 2) It's primarily the large-bitmap/small-cluster feature on the disk whichI is preventing it from mounting on VMS 6.2 VAX nodes, rather than anythingt else.   H 3) Once the VAX systems are running 7.2, they can mount and access ODS-5K disks, although if all I needed was support for large-bitmap/small-cluster,e I may as well stick with ODS-2.y   Thanks,    Graham   --  I -------------------------------------------------------------------------e: Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - gta@umn.edu - (612) 624-50409 School of Physics and Astronomy - University of Minnesota I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:50:21 GMTl% From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@dialupnet.com>e7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters vs other systems clustersc8 Message-ID: <6lkjmsgq0k2nelt5cfdnnhccptut2oo0et@4ax.com>  E On Tue, 04 Jul 2000 15:37:01 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK ConsultancyS! <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:   
 >jlsue wrote:c > 2 >> On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:58:38 +0100, Nigel Arnot' >> <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> wrote:R >> >> >D >> >For once I find myself in almost complete agreement with Andrew. >> >> >> >The only marketing lies concerning unix that I encounteredA >> >emanated from Digital. If there ever was a conspiracy, it wasS0 >> >within the Digital Corporation, not outside. >> > >>G >> That wasn't my experience at all.  My experience, as someone workinglB >> *outside* of Digital, was that Unix vendors were making lots ofF >> promises that they couldn't deliver in the business-critical world. >> For several years, in fact. >>F >> I never mentioned anything about a conspiracy, someone else startedG >> that FUD.  However, it is a fact of my work experience that I had tofC >> constantly fight against the Unix lies that they could deliver a F >> stable, quality product that had the reliability and scalability ofI >> our VMSclusters.  Hell, they didn't even do "upgrades" back then - youpG >> just wiped out your OS and re-installed fresh (though you could keep H >> your other file systems).  And don't forget, there was nothing like aF >> "disaster-mode" disk restore from backups, if your system disk just  >> happened to flake-out on you. >>C >> But the MGMs of the world were entranced by the headlines of thet? >> press, and the bull coming out of the Gartners of the world,y= >> forgetting that these are just self-fulfilling prophecies.c4 >> Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaq0 >> (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail) >e; >If this does not qualify for a conspiracy theory rant thenr >I don't know what does. >i  A Well Andrew, if you actually read the note, you'd see that it hasaD nothing to do with conspiracy, and it wasn't even a rant.  It was my own observations at the time.c  D The Unix vendors each had something to sell, Sun just happened to beB the loudest FUD spreader of the bunch.  No conspiracy, each vendorD just had something to sell.  And the media Gartners of the world areF *always*  trying to find some headline that will grab/keep customers &D advertisers... Unix just happened to be the "new kid in town"... butD what goes around comes around, especially in this fickle, short-term
 minded world.   1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaq - (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:54:47 +10000- From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>o3 Subject: Problem solved: VLC/Internal Seagate driver0 Message-ID: <10544787998462@domain3.bigpond.com>  
 Hello All,  8 I posted a problem a while back relating to a VLC and an, internal Seagate drive that wouldn't work...4 Got a new internal SCSI cable today and it all works6 splendidly now.  (But now the power supply has died on the external drive :-(   Thanks to all who responded.   Regards, Dave. I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.comUF DBS software is at http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmI "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennonr   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:53:18 -0500 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>( Subject: Re[2]: error parsing 'snapshot'- Message-ID: <0033000000482529000002L092*@MHS>u   =0AlD      Uh, you can't specify files or directories if you use /IMAGE...         /IMAGE =3D whole disk......  D      Has somebody set up a symbol called "BACKUP"?  If so, then thatA      could explain where the stuff about "SNAPSHOT" comes from...y        WWWebbo    H ______________________________ Reply Separator ________________________=	 _________D% Subject: RE: error parsing 'snapshot'.2 Author:  Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Date:    7/10/00 9:38 AM    -      Maybe it's just my ignorance but what isd$ /SYS$BACK:[000000]LU12_00-07-07.LU -H Not a VMS qualifier to my knowledge, this may explain why you are getti= ng a- CLI error.  As for batch jobs not running ??.e - Darren   > ----------7 > From:      System administrator at Remeis Observatory_1 > Bamberg[SMTP:system@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de]_* > Sent:      Friday, July 07, 2000 5:25 AM  > To:      Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com( > Subject:      error parsing 'snapshot' >_ > Dear colleagues, >_E >    Details:     AlphaStation 400 4/233   (our Alpha cluster server)_! >                 OpenVMS 7.1-1H1d >9C >    when submitting batch jobs we encounter errors as follows (for $ > example when attempting a backup): >  >l. >    BACKUP/IMAGE/NOASSIST/BLOCK=3D65000/LOG -) >    /SYS$BACK:[000000]LU12_00-07-07.LU -mH >     DISK1: TEMP:LU12_00-07-07.BCK/SAVE/LABEL=3DLUCKY/REWIND/IGNORE=3D=	 INTERLOCK  >s) > %CLI-F-SYNTAX, error parsing 'SNAPSHOT't< > -CLI-E-ENTNF, specified entity not found in command tables >s >5F >    However, this has probably nothing to do with the BACKUP command,F > because we get similar problems when invoking any other .com file inH > batch mode, while the same .com runs normally when directly executed.=  H > We do not always get the same error message like above with other bat= chH > jobs, but in any case execution of batch jobs is  e x t r e m e l y  = s l o= > w. >=H >    This problem occurs since we applied ECO  ALPSYS20_071 (well, that= 'sH > my guess, because since  a b o u t  that time these errors occur, I a= mvB > not 100% sure that our problem is related to this system patch). >y >    Thanks for any hints. >- >      Greetings,  >                  Horst >  >o >r    F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andtH may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislati= on.aH They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to who= m theyH are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipi= ent,B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.H You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyi= ng of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudarG **********************************************************************=(   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:37:27 -0300<1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>a, Subject: RE: Re[2]: error parsing 'snapshot'K Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A333625@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>o  ? 	Uh,  He's not specifying files, his command reads >     DISK1:eI TEMP:LU12_00-07-07.BCK/SAVE which is correct.  Still doesn't explain whato9 the /SYS$BACK:[000000]LU12_00-07-07.LU - stuff is though.c - Darren   > ----------1 > From: 	WILLIAM WEBB[SMTP:WWEBB1@email.usps.gov]m' > Sent: 	Monday, July 10, 2000 12:53 PMl > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ > Subject: 	Re[2]: error parsing 'snapshot'r >  >  > F >      Uh, you can't specify files or directories if you use /IMAGE... >   >      /IMAGE = whole disk...... > F >      Has somebody set up a symbol called "BACKUP"?  If so, then thatC >      could explain where the stuff about "SNAPSHOT" comes from...e > 
 >      WWWebbo >  > 0 > ______________________________ Reply Separator# > _________________________________F' > Subject: RE: error parsing 'snapshot't4 > Author:  Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET > Date:    7/10/00 9:38 AM >  > / >      Maybe it's just my ignorance but what is,& > /SYS$BACK:[000000]LU12_00-07-07.LU -K > Not a VMS qualifier to my knowledge, this may explain why you are getting  > ar/ > CLI error.  As for batch jobs not running ??.i
 > - Darren >  > > ----------9 > > From:      System administrator at Remeis Observatory)3 > > Bamberg[SMTP:system@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de]e, > > Sent:      Friday, July 07, 2000 5:25 AM" > > To:      Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com* > > Subject:      error parsing 'snapshot' > >r > > Dear colleagues, > > G > >    Details:     AlphaStation 400 4/233   (our Alpha cluster server)m# > >                 OpenVMS 7.1-1H1L > >KE > >    when submitting batch jobs we encounter errors as follows (for & > > example when attempting a backup): > >e > >b. > >    BACKUP/IMAGE/NOASSIST/BLOCK=65000/LOG -+ > >    /SYS$BACK:[000000]LU12_00-07-07.LU -t > >     DISK1:A > TEMP:LU12_00-07-07.BCK/SAVE/LABEL=LUCKY/REWIND/IGNORE=INTERLOCKo > >p+ > > %CLI-F-SYNTAX, error parsing 'SNAPSHOT'c> > > -CLI-E-ENTNF, specified entity not found in command tables > >s > >.H > >    However, this has probably nothing to do with the BACKUP command,H > > because we get similar problems when invoking any other .com file inI > > batch mode, while the same .com runs normally when directly executed.sK > > We do not always get the same error message like above with other batcheL > > jobs, but in any case execution of batch jobs is  e x t r e m e l y  s l > o  > > w. > >nK > >    This problem occurs since we applied ECO  ALPSYS20_071 (well, that'saJ > > my guess, because since  a b o u t  that time these errors occur, I amD > > not 100% sure that our problem is related to this system patch). > >r > >    Thanks for any hints. > >T > >      Greetings,M > >                  Horst > >- > >- > >- >  > H > **********************************************************************E > This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andrL > may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.J > They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom > theyB > are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient,D > please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.K > You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying   > of this message is prohibited. >  > Bank of BermudanH > ********************************************************************** >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:04:10 -0300a1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>  Subject: RE: RMS filesize K Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A333614@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>    Michael,  D 	I doubt very much you will get any valid responses to this questionL without specifying MUCH more detail, do you mean just one file or a bunch ofE file.  For what reason would you want to do this.  How is the file(s)tE created.  What VMS version.  Obviously you can't do this as a default-B parameter as it would interfere with pagefiles and dump files etc.  0 Post again with the reasons behind the question. Thanks,  Darren   > ----------1 > From: 	Michael Pabel[SMTP:michael.pabel@aon.at] & > Sent: 	Friday, July 07, 2000 7:16 AM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: 	RMS filesize >  > Hello, > A > is there any possibility, to limit the blocksize of a rms file.nB > E.g., if the maximum size is reached, you get an VMS error code.1 > Does anyone know something like set file, etc.?n > 	 > Thanks,  > Michael PabelI >  >  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andtJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they L are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying/ of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudarF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Jul 2000 14:35:22 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: RE: RMS filesize16 Message-ID: <8kcmva$ne7$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   In article <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A333614@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>, "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> writes:gE :	I doubt very much you will get any valid responses to this questiont% :without specifying MUCH more detail,   E   A challenge for our powers of psychic problem deduction, then!  :-)a  ) :Obviously you can't do this as a default0C :parameter as it would interfere with pagefiles and dump files etc.I  E   You can establish a file size limit using a resource identifier andnF   the disk quota mechanism.  Works nicely, and produces an EXDISKQUOTAG   error.  Subtle behaviour around the processing of the overdraft quotasF   do apply here: your application can be coded to _retry_ the request F   when EXDISKQUOTA is received, and thus get into the quota overdraft.  J   Information related to establishing and maintaining resource identifiersK   is covered in the security manual.  You cpuld also combine the use of the J   resource attribute with a subsystem identifier, if you want to have the L   application to have control over the storage and not assign the identifier   to individual the user(s).  1 :Post again with the reasons behind the question.t  D   Yes, additional problem details and some background on the requestF   would help -- the question is sufficiently ambiguous and I may well E   have exceeded my alloted psychic deductions.  :-)  And whenever you@D   post a question, please remember to include the information on theF   OpenVMS version(s) and platform(s) involved.  (Why?  Well, subsystemD   identifiers are only available in V6 and later, and there are someE   ECOs that are needed for their proper use in the early V6 releases, I   when subsystem identifiers are combined with the use of INSTALL/SHARE.)   D   You could simply create the application (if you have access to theD   source code) to limit the file size itself, depending on the needsF   of the particular application.  System auditing uses a set of rules B   for new log file creation and associated sizing, for instance...    2 :> From: 	Michael Pabel[SMTP:michael.pabel@aon.at] ..B :> is there any possibility, to limit the blocksize of a rms file.C :> E.g., if the maximum size is reached, you get an VMS error code.a2 :> Does anyone know something like set file, etc.? ..  A   The maximum file size on OpenVMS is circa 1 TB, though IIRC the C   hard limit is 2 TB -- the difference here due to a basic lack of aB   testing of files up in this size range.  Please see the OpenVMS D   FAQ for details on the maximum file size and on various applicable   disk size limits.>  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:00:34 -0300t> From: Juliano Aparecido Tedaldi <Juliano.Tedaldi@hcnet.usp.br> Subject: SAMBA / OPENVMS, Message-ID: <3969D701.78E67538@hcnet.usp.br>  5 Esta  uma mensagem de vrias partes em formato MIME.i  & --Boundary_(ID_icAbdnWtnDdvuWgu2Jl6tA), Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1+ Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLEn     Dear manager=B4s  F Anybody have any documetation,  hint or examples  about how to config= urer the SAMBA in  OPENVMSs   thanks a lot   Julianom   --   Juliano Aparecido Tedaldim&   E-mail: Juliano.Tedaldi@hcnet.usp.br    Hospital das Clinicas da FMUSP'   CIHC - Centro de Informatica HC-FMUSPa   Sao Paulo - Brasil   Tel: (011) 3069-6879   URL: www.hcnet.usp.bra --      & --Boundary_(ID_icAbdnWtnDdvuWgu2Jl6tA)F Content-type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name=Juliano.Tedaldi.vcf: Content-description: Carto para Juliano Aparecido Tedaldi= Content-disposition: attachment; filename=Juliano.Tedaldi.vcfs+ Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE2   begin:vcard=20 n:Aparecido Tedaldi;Juliano-' tel;work:Hospital das Clinicas da FMUSP- x-mozilla-html:FALSE
 adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 + email;internet:Juliano.Tedaldi@hcnet.usp.brs fn:Juliano Aparecido Tedaldi	 end:vcardt    ( --Boundary_(ID_icAbdnWtnDdvuWgu2Jl6tA)--   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:40:51 -0400 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>s2 Subject: Re: Small, simple desktop or deskside VAX. Message-ID: <smjo3u5lnu137@corp.supernews.com>  B Why not try www.charon-vax.com, it seems to fit everything you are looking for.   -- Peter Weaver  @ Tom Cole wrote in message <8kcd6e$8m6$1@license1.unx.sas.com>...A >I would like to buy an old, working VAX.  It needs to be able toe actuallyF >run VMS (enough memory, disk space) but I don't require much else.  AD >MicroVAX3100 would be about perfect, or something in that category; i.e. I? >don't want or need X Windows for example.  I do need to have an workingiF >Ethernet connection.  This is for personal, not commercial use.  I do notaC >want or need VMS licences, etc. as I will use the Hobbyist Licenseu program. > ...,   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:10:07 +0100d- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>sC Subject: Re: Summer 2000 OpenVMS TIMES Now Available on CPQ Websites) Message-ID: <3969CB2F.3B536353@bbc.co.uk>    Bill Todd wrote:   >mM > well, so why insult our intelligence?).  While it's nice to emphasize VMS'stK > strengths in this area, a Compaq strategy to sell VMS *only* when nothingnN > else will do the job is not going to give it the 'renaissance' that a lot ofL > us might hope for - and if Capellas actually sees VMS the way he described? > it, then we can't hope for much help from him in this regard.a  I Agreed, I was somewhat dissapointed by this restating of Compaq's view ofmG VMS as a niche system. Solutions on VMS tend to be reliable and robust.wH Why confine this to the portion of the market all others fail to perform
 adequately enough for?t  I >  "Now it's a question of taking the fight to the streets and taking our>M > message to the market" would be a more stirring phrase if I hadn't heard itmK > (plus a couple of other statements in the article) *verbatim* a month agoaH > from a different source in the same context:  at least one of them wasM > offering someone else's words as his own (OK, call me naive:  I still don'tt > approve of it).a >y  H Plagirism is apparently accepted practice in the modern buisiness world. I don't agree with it either.h  O >  Ah, well.  The rest of the publication seemed mildly informative or at worstgI > innocuous.  Perhaps one should expect no better from something which isdJ > effectively a sales brochure - except in those areas, like the first two? > articles, where it pretends to be something more substantial.a >n  P I don't think the target market is such as you and I and the rest of the readers   of comp.os.vms, Bill.    >t > - bill   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uke  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofi MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:26:36 +0100S- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>nC Subject: Re: Summer 2000 OpenVMS TIMES Now Available on CPQ Websiteh) Message-ID: <3969CF0C.C9CDBA2E@bbc.co.uk>i   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:e  N >  Anyhow, if you have any suggestions/topics for future columns in the Times, > drop me a line.- >   I Nah, Computer Guardian maybe, but I don't even read that much these days.B --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk-  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of1 MedAS or the BBC.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:37:08 +0200L& From: "Amnon KATZ" <amnon.katz@bca.fr>, Subject: Re: Sybase TCP errors on Alpha VMS.3 Message-ID: <8kc21s$2s83$1@s2.feed.news.oleane.net>m   Hello Jerrys  K I know that we are not using the last version but our system do not want too  upgrade unless it is obligatory.J We had some problems with UCX in the pass and if its working why to touch it ?   About your questions:c  < Q: What has changed since the performance was satisfactory ?I A: This month we had a massive migration of 400 PCs from Win3.11 with DEC ' NET and Net BEUI to Win NT with TCP/IP.]  K Q : Have there been network upgrades, such as ethernet switches being addedo ?r A : Chang of protocols only.  H Q: Have you tried a ping between the nodes, to see if there's any packet loss ? A: No, We did not check it.r    # Thanks for your help and your time.e  
 Amnon KATZ
 DBA Sybase B.C.A,! Tel : +33 (0)1 41 40 14 00 (1504)I E-mail amnon.katz@bca.fr  ( Jerry Leslie a crit dans le message ...& >Amnon KATZ (amnon.katz@bca.fr) wrote:	 >: Hello.n >:D >: I have a Sybase SQL Server 11.0.3.3 SWR 7936 Rollup running on anL >: Alpha OpenVMS Version V7.1-1H1. We are using UCX version V4.2 for TCP/IP. >: >lF >There are patches (ECOs) available for UCX 4.2. IIRC, the most-recent
 >is ECO 3. > E >The output of "$ UCX SHOW VERSION" will tell what the latest ECO is.0 >CI >: My problem is that sybase error log is full of connection messages andr/ >: there are a lot of complains on performance.  >i: >What has changed since the performance was satisfactory ? >pJ >Have there been network upgrades, such as ethernet switches being added ? >:@ >: This is a sample of the messages that I have in my error log. >:A >: 1. 01:2000/07/03 06:27:45.37 kernel  Cannot read, host processt
 disconnected:  >:I >: 2. 00:2000/07/03 08:27:40.82 kernel  tcp_nread_defer: bad read, sockett 162,
 >: listener 1 4 >: 00:2000/07/03 08:27:40.92 kernel  - iosb: error 0 >:L >: 3. 00:2000/06/15 10:21:03.31 kernel  nwrite_defer: Bad write, socket 196,
 >: listener 3t >:I >: 4. 00:2000/06/15 10:21:03.42 kernel  - VMS error: %SYSTEM-F-LINKABORT,o' >: network partner aborted logical link  >:K >: 5. 00:2000/06/15 10:33:29.20 kernel  tcp_nwrite_defer: Bad write, socket* >: 366, listener 18 >: 00:2000/06/15 10:33:29.33 kernel  - iosb: broken pipe >: >aK >Have you tried a ping between the nodes, to see if there's any packet losss ?e >tK >: I opened a case at Sybase France but I didnt got any solution from theme >: yet.hE >: The only clue that I got was that it is probably a UCX problem and # >: I should look in that direction.p >: >: Can any one help me on this?m >: >yK >I've added comp.os.vms, since a lot of former Sybase users hang out there.  > 0 >--Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.net< >                 leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalid3 >                 (my opinions are strictly my own)-   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Jul 2000 17:33:45 GMT# From: rifepe@langran.iem.csic.espamu, Subject: TCPIP remote node in audit security' Message-ID: <8kd1dp$1ka$1@tejo.csic.es>3   Hi, ( We are running VMS 7.1 and and UCX V4.1.; We have detect several unsucelfull breaking probes througthe>  the accounting and security log and we would like to find the; remote access node that is trying to enter in our computer.iJ The problem is they are using telnet and the name or addres is too long to be shown in the reports.@ How can I read the full node name or ip address they are ussing?   Ricardo Fernandez-Perea'   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:39:16 +0100f- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>i Subject: Re: Trapping a STOP/ID ) Message-ID: <3969D204.F36CF39F@bbc.co.uk>e   JF Mezei wrote:d   > David A Froble wrote:oQ > > only assumtion allowed is that no assumptions are allowed.  Providing for the_O > > needs of a product within the product is a good practice for such software.rL > > Documenting just how you are using a privilege within the product can beK > > required for the more suspicious (are there any other kind) of securityt
 > > managers.C >0O > Is it the general opinion here that when one system manager denied my request I > to grant the app SYSLCK  this was overly paranoid, and that most systemi% > managers would not object to this ?r  4 Sure, if the user community is "benign" not hostile.  O Actually, most of my users would not have a clue how to exploit SYSLCK, or say, E PFNMAP, to compromise the system. That doesn't mean its not possible.o   >s   >sO > This would have been the best way to synchronise a server with general users.4N > The general users would have taken a lock, released when their work was doneN > and ready to be processed by the server (obviously automatically released if2 > connection was broken, user terminated session). >U  I So, provide the users with a program, installed with SYSLCK priv, to lock - and unlock resources if that is whats needed.V   >EO > I ended up getting the server to maintain its own list of logged in users andTI > waiting for the user to log off before proceeding with the processing).    Well, I guess it worked.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukd  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofi MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:28:05 GMT  From: spolato@my-deja.com Q Subject: Re: UNICENTER PERFORMANCE DATA COLLECTOR - DOES NOT INSTALL ON VMS 7.2!! ) Message-ID: <8kc8fa$cba$1@nnrp1.deja.com>t  . In article <39677667_2@nnrp1.news.uk.psi.net>,   Dave smith (DaveSmith) wrote:   D > It is running on Alpha VMS 7.1. When I recently tried to install aE > data collector on Alpha VMS V7.2 it failed with a 'version mismatch* error' > please relink.  D Try this command on the .exe who causes the 'version mismatch error'	 message : F @SYS$COMMON:[SYSUPD]REGISTER_PRIVILEGED_IMAGE.COM REGISTER program.EXE  
 Sandro Polato     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.n   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Jul 2000 11:05:52 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)Q Subject: Re: UNICENTER PERFORMANCE DATA COLLECTOR - DOES NOT INSTALL ON VMS 7.2!!r. Message-ID: <8kcamg$64p$1@info.service.rug.nl>  E In article <8kc8fa$cba$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, spolato@my-deja.com writes:m  / >In article <39677667_2@nnrp1.news.uk.psi.net>,*  >  Dave smith (DaveSmith) wrote: >-E >> It is running on Alpha VMS 7.1. When I recently tried to install arF >> data collector on Alpha VMS V7.2 it failed with a 'version mismatch >error's >> please relink.3 >1E >Try this command on the .exe who causes the 'version mismatch error't
 >message :G >@SYS$COMMON:[SYSUPD]REGISTER_PRIVILEGED_IMAGE.COM REGISTER program.EXE   - I just had a look at this.  It has lines like   6 $say "%REGISTER-F-MISSING option parameter is missing"  H First, there is usually a comma after the capitalised part of a message.B Second, REAL messages are produced by some other mechanism, right?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 05:40:00 -0700 : From: Sandro Polato <polatoNOpoSPAM@igi.pd.cnr.it.invalid>Q Subject: Re: UNICENTER PERFORMANCE DATA COLLECTOR - DOES NOT INSTALL ON VMS 7.2!!m9 Message-ID: <104eae8c.ccc8aaa1@usw-ex0101-005.remarq.com>y  + helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) wrote:i  . >I just had a look at this.  It has lines like > 7 >$say "%REGISTER-F-MISSING option parameter is missing"  >e@ >First, there is usually a comma after the capitalised part of a message.< >Second, REAL messages are produced by some other mechanism, right? >a< It seems you omit the REGISTER parameter. Retry the command:= @SYS$COMMON:[SYSUPD]REGISTER_PRIVILEGED_IMAGE.COM    REGISTER. full_path_name_program.EXE        ; -----------------------------------------------------------I  7 Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.  Up to 100 minutes free!r http://www.keen.com    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Jul 2000 13:00:50 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)Q Subject: Re: UNICENTER PERFORMANCE DATA COLLECTOR - DOES NOT INSTALL ON VMS 7.2!!*. Message-ID: <8kche2$873$1@info.service.rug.nl>  G In article <104eae8c.ccc8aaa1@usw-ex0101-005.remarq.com>, Sandro Polaton/ <polatoNOpoSPAM@igi.pd.cnr.it.invalid> writes:    , >helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) wrote: >o/ >>I just had a look at this.  It has lines likeA >>8 >>$say "%REGISTER-F-MISSING option parameter is missing" >>A >>First, there is usually a comma after the capitalised part of ao	 >message.s= >>Second, REAL messages are produced by some other mechanism,e >right?u >>= >It seems you omit the REGISTER parameter. Retry the command:u> >@SYS$COMMON:[SYSUPD]REGISTER_PRIVILEGED_IMAGE.COM    REGISTER >full_path_name_program.EXEe  G No, I didn't try it out, I was just commenting on the source code, the n2 format of the messages and how they are generated.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:34:22 +0100 ' From: Adrian Birkett <abirkett@csc.com>uQ Subject: Re: UNICENTER PERFORMANCE DATA COLLECTOR - DOES NOT INSTALL ON VMS 7.2!! ' Message-ID: <3969ECFD.6C111725@csc.com>    Dave,t  K Be aware that we have Advise-IT running on Alpha 7.2 - this also required aiF newer version of the ada run-time library (ADARTL.EXE ident = 7.2-12).   Just a thought.    Adee     DaveSmith wrote:  	 > Hello ,hI >       The company I work for bought Unicenter Performance Analyzer/DataiG > Collectors 2.5 years ago for 20K plus from CA. (Just after CA bought J > it from Digital - A Big mistake by Digital was to sell off PolyCenter!).D > It is running on Alpha VMS 7.1. When I recently tried to install aL > data collector on Alpha VMS V7.2 it failed with a 'version mismatch error'K > please relink. I contacted CA who told me that I either need to go to TNG G > or ADVISEIT. To upgrade to ADVISEIT it would cost 40K plus!!!!!. The 9 > TNG route wasn't worth looking at (very expensive!!!!).r5 >     Is there any way round my installation problem?t >e	 > regardse > Dave Smith   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Jul 2000 18:32:03 GMT  From: vfpxsciplw@edbjoyd.net Subject: Why not? ' Message-ID: <1171d77f.7@news.tm.net.my>   # remove: <1171d77f.7@news.tm.net.my>n    ? What if you could reach a world-wide audience of millions in ans< instant?  You can with PostAgent!  Turn your computer into a( large scale Usenet news posting machine!  E Use it to maximize the exposure of your ideas or products on the newsi groups!c  5 DOWNLOAD TODAY: http://members.tripod.com.pe/postagntc   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 07:48:29 -0400l# From: "Tom Cole" <tom.cole@sas.com>z3 Subject: WTB: Small, simple desktop or deskside VAXl/ Message-ID: <8kcd6e$8m6$1@license1.unx.sas.com>c  I I would like to buy an old, working VAX.  It needs to be able to actually E run VMS (enough memory, disk space) but I don't require much else.  A J MicroVAX3100 would be about perfect, or something in that category; i.e. IF don't want or need X Windows for example.  I do need to have a workingI Ethernet connection.  This is for personal, not commercial use.  I do not K want or need VMS licences, etc. as I will use the Hobbyist License program.d  H Yes, I know these pop up from time to time on eBay, but having had a badD experience or two there, I'd rather deal with someone more directly.  C If you have a working small VAX that you'd like to get rid of for a K reasonably small $$$ amount, please contact me by email.  I would prefer tonE find someone in the Research Triangle Park area of NC, but I'm up for 6 shipping if it's not a terribly large configuration...   tom.cole@sasdotcom
   -- or -- tom.cole@forest-edgedotnet   -- Tom Cole Host R&D Special ProjectsC SAS Institute Inc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 07:13:59 -07003& From: Tom Crabtree <tccrab@sunset.net>7 Subject: Re: WTB: Small, simple desktop or deskside VAXe* Message-ID: <3969DA27.D7EDDC31@sunset.net>   Tom:  J Call Dan Burrows at Burrows Instrumentation, 336-376-0468, tell him I saidO 'Hi!!'.  Dan is located in Graham NC (within driving distance of RTP), and he'sQ" got everything you will ever need.O Dan will be out of town this week, but if you leave a message he'll return your- call.LB Any particular reason for wanting a VAX when Alpha's are so cheap?  	 Good luckl   Tom Crabtree tccrab@sunset.net    Tom Cole wrote:i  K > I would like to buy an old, working VAX.  It needs to be able to actually G > run VMS (enough memory, disk space) but I don't require much else.  AjL > MicroVAX3100 would be about perfect, or something in that category; i.e. IH > don't want or need X Windows for example.  I do need to have a workingK > Ethernet connection.  This is for personal, not commercial use.  I do not8M > want or need VMS licences, etc. as I will use the Hobbyist License program.  > J > Yes, I know these pop up from time to time on eBay, but having had a badF > experience or two there, I'd rather deal with someone more directly. >iE > If you have a working small VAX that you'd like to get rid of for a.M > reasonably small $$$ amount, please contact me by email.  I would prefer tonG > find someone in the Research Triangle Park area of NC, but I'm up forl8 > shipping if it's not a terribly large configuration... >- > tom.cole@sasdotcom >   -- or -- > tom.cole@forest-edgedotnet >  > --
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