1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 16 Jul 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 394       Contents:3 Re: Alpha PWS500a(u) - Which machines will run VMS? 3 Re: Alpha PWS500a(u) - Which machines will run VMS? " Re: CompactTape II sources (TK70)? Re: Decwrite: where to get? 4 Re: got to remember to STOP trying to use OpenVMS...C Re: I/O caching and UNIX evaluations (was: Re: got to remember ...) C Re: I/O caching and UNIX evaluations (was: Re: got to remember ...)  Is my solution SAMBA ? Re: Is my solution SAMBA ? Re: OpenVMS/Alpha and PEARL  Pearl Compiler Re: Pearl Compiler Re: Problem with UCX FTP Re: SAMBA / OPENVMS J Re: Switching from VXT (x/motif) clients to PC(java 2) clients (aquestion)# Re: Sybase TCP errors on Alpha VMS.  VAXstation VLC terminal  Re: VAXstation VLC terminal  You are Invited #2DF2   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 15 Jul 2000 21:19:42 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.293778.killspam.0223 (Wayne Sewell) < Subject: Re: Alpha PWS500a(u) - Which machines will run VMS?. Message-ID: <7tzbbDXuU9Jw@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  w In article <DDFA32BEAB3E9753.370D45BB45DD0A26.FE143E924981BC82@lp.airnews.net>, JM <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com> writes: I > I always watch the auctions for cheap, underpriced Alphas to replace my  > alphastation 200 4/233.  > A > I'm looking for a $250 300-500mhz "circa 1998" dream machine :)  >   M I haven't really seen too many alphas in that price range, with the exception J of the mulia.  Even the machine you already have tends to go for more thanF that.  I sold that same model for a little over 400 a few months back.  = > Anyone have a list of the "Originally intended for NT only" I > Alphastations that will run Hobbyist VMS? I expect all the NT people to J > start dumping them since they are terrified that support is running out.  M The 3300, 3305, 5300, 5305 (or whatever the 500-megahertz version of the 5300 D is called) fall in this category, the so-called "whitebox" systems. L Unfortunately, these are the machines deliberately crippled to be billyboxesI only.  It is possible to make them run vms, but not without playing games N during the boot process.  These can *only* run vms under the hobbyist license,@ because a regular commercial vms licence never existed for them.   > E > PW 333XL looks like a good cheap upgrade, but probably won't work.   > C > PWS 500A's, I'm confused whether they will all run VMS or if only ; > certain serial number ranges or if they SRM upgradeable.   > I > PWS 600A came after the PWS 500A's so they are probably a safe bet, but  > too pricey this year.    > I > Then there are all the "off-brand", non-DEC machines. Probably a better ) > deal if I knew which ones were useful.    O It's hard to tell with clones, unless you know what motherboard they are using. J For instance, the 164LX motherboard can run vms.   Probably the 164SX too,K though I can't verify that personally.   Of course, the peripheral devices, M disks, cdroms, graphics card, are a significant factor too.  For instance, if N the machine has only IDE, the chances of using vms are much more slim.  I knowM of one machine that couldn't boot vms using the original ide disk, but did so 0 with ease after the disk was replaced with scsi.     --  O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== O Otter, on dining with Bluto:"It's perfectly safe if you keep your arms and legs  			away from his mouth."   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 04:09:57 GMT 3 From: Eric Dittman <dittman@narnia.int.dittman.net> < Subject: Re: Alpha PWS500a(u) - Which machines will run VMS?= Message-ID: <pAac5.2828$8V2.95504@news-east.usenetserver.com>   > Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.xxx.293778.killspam.0223> wrote:Q : It's hard to tell with clones, unless you know what motherboard they are using. L : For instance, the 164LX motherboard can run vms.   Probably the 164SX too,M : though I can't verify that personally.   Of course, the peripheral devices, O : disks, cdroms, graphics card, are a significant factor too.  For instance, if P : the machine has only IDE, the chances of using vms are much more slim.  I knowO : of one machine that couldn't boot vms using the original ide disk, but did so 2 : with ease after the disk was replaced with scsi.  K I can verify personally that the 164SX can NOT run VMS, even with supported + cards.  VMS can almost work, but not quite.  --   Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 03:27:23 GMT & From: Jerome Fine <jhfine@idirect.com>+ Subject: Re: CompactTape II sources (TK70)? + Message-ID: <39712BBF.BF3E7017@idirect.com>    >John E. Malmberg wrote:   > Charles Gilley wrote: > > > To close out my own question - it appears that the TK52 is) > > marketed as a compatible replacement.  > I > The cartridge type for a TK50 drive is known as a CompacTape or TK50 in  > catalogs.  > L > The cartridge type for a TK70 drive is known as a CompacTape II or TK52 in > catalogs.  > M > HOBBYISTS TAKE NOTE:  If you aquire a system that uses TK50/TK70 drives, it J > can really pay to see if your supplier has any media for the drives.  IfJ > they are no longer using that type of media, they will probably give youN > their entire supply.  Since it usually is stored separately from the system,K > they may have forgotten about it when they decided to get rid of it.  [Do - > not forget manuals and miscelaneous cables]  > N > According to one to the link that was posted some time ago on this forum forN > a former manufacturer, that manufacturer used identical media specificationsB > for both cartridges, even though they sold for different prices. > N > The CompacTape II media is supposed to be of a higher quality than the plain
 > CompacTape.   R I have heard that story before.  I also heard it was used to justify charging moreI and that the quality was the same.  Same as with diskettes in some cases.   N > According to some people that I know that did a very instensive search, theyL > could find no vendors with *NEW* CompacTape or CompacTape II cartridges inJ > stock.  They did a world wide search on this.  It is still possible that" > they missed some vendors though. > L > Be aware that the first time a CompacTape or (II) cartridge is written on,M > it creates a control track that effectively sets the density for it's life. J > Bulk erasure is possible, but while some people have had good luck doing > that, others have not.  F You need a very strong magnet.  When it works, it does a good job, butE most brands that are at a reasonable price are both VERY slow (due to ' overheating) and do not last very long.   H > If you put a cartridge formated as a TK50 in a TK70 drive, it is writeD > locked, and while it can be read, a TK70 drive will not update it. > K > If you put a cartridge formated as a TK70 in a TK50 drive, and attempt to L > write on it, the last time I saw someone attempt this:  It played with theJ > tape for almost 45 minutes, while the user thought it was backing up theJ > data, then it aborted with a misleading error about the tape drive beingM > defective.  After that, the tape could not be used on either a TK50 or TK70 7 > drive, as the control track was completely corrupted.  > A > Then you get to see if you have a good enough bulk tape eraser.  >  > >  I've already found K > > two US providers that stock these cartridges.  Pricey for 300Mb storage  > > but that is life.   > http://rcpsinc.com/catolog.htm > M > Yes, their catalog lists both cartridges.  It also says that they sell used K > media sometimes.  So make sure you find out what you are paying the money  > for.   Jerome Fine replies:  A I left all of the above since I have found it to be 100% correct.   Q In the past, I was able to find a bulk tape eraser which lasted for enough tapes, Q but no longer, i.e. it did the job but did not last.  However, I was able to bulk E erase enough tapes from a TK50 drive which I now use in a TK70 drive.   - There used to be a VERY excellent summary at:   5 http://www.anacomp.com/Magnetics/Memorex/m-ctdlt.html   H which showed that the same specifications were given for both CompacTapeH for the TK50  AND  FOR  CompacTape II for the TK70.  The only differenceL I have seen in practice is that the label for the CompacTape is in BROWN andP the label for the CompacTape II is in BLUE - aside for the higher price that DECT charged when the tapes were new.  I do not think I saved the page, but it definitelyV stated that the physical characteristics of the tapes were identical.  Did anyone else retain a copy?  N I have a friend who may still have his bulk eraser plus he may even have a fewG CompacTape II media.  Please contact me directly if you are interested.    Sincerely yours,   Jerome Fine    ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jul 2000 14:17:57 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.293778.killspam.0223 (Wayne Sewell) $ Subject: Re: Decwrite: where to get?. Message-ID: <JJDzbLXgMaEm@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  k In article <TXRb5.588$sp6.178001@typhoon.aracnet.com>, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes: 1 > James Smith <smith_j@removeit.cqm.co.uk> wrote: / >> the hobbyist license seems to cover decwrite  > M >> i've looked about, but cant find a download source - anybody know of one ?  > N > You can't download it.  In order to get it you'll need to find a CD-ROM withJ > the kit on it.  Unfortunatly most of the layered products covered by theL > hobbyist program aren't on the Hobbyist CD.  There is only so much you canK > fit on one CD and they had to pick and choose the products that they felt M > would be the most desired.  An entire Condist set of CD's is something like  > 16 CD's for one architecture.   K Well, yes, but only the first nine or so have anything useful on them.  The L high numbered CDs have stuff like Japanese COBOL and Swahili Motif on them. M Still, your point is valid.  9 CDs worth of software won't fit on a single CD G any more than 16 will.  Maybe we ought to have a hobbyist condist.  :-)      Wayne  --  O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== O Otter, on dining with Bluto:"It's perfectly safe if you keep your arms and legs  			away from his mouth."   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jul 2000 19:33:49 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)= Subject: Re: got to remember to STOP trying to use OpenVMS... , Message-ID: <8kqeat$5pi@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  D In article <8kolbh$fsb$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, jordan@my-deja.com writes: > ? >I'm not sure what your criticism is _exactly_.  Without such a = >facility, you have to support makefiles and headers for each @ >flavor of Unix, and the various environmental features of thoseA >flavors of Unix are moving targets.  Autoconf/configure supports B >a framework where the various attributes of the environments, allC >the subtle semantics of run-time environments, include files, etc. F >are discovered and customized makefiles (and include files) are built' >that should work on the target system.  >   C Ok, the criticism is not with the purpose of autoconf, which is to  J detect the various things that differ between OS's and generate a MakefileI automatically to compensate for them.   The EXACT criticism is that it's  E been done in such a way that is hideously Unix specific, whereas the  J problem is a general one.  One starts with a "configure" script, which is L bad enough, and that it uses every unsupportable Unix specific trick in the J book to check to see which functions exist and so forth.  If the guys who J did this didn't have their Unix blinders stapled to their heads one would G instead find "configure.dat" - a text file describing the capabilities  @ which are to be tested for and an abstract version of the build F instructions (dependencies and such) and "configure" an ANSI C programC which could be built on any platform.  It would implement each test G AS APPROPRIATE FOR THE PLATFORM based on #ifdef's when it was compiled. < (If done that way, the C RTL could easily enough come with aE static file containing all the answers to the various tests for that  K platform, so that running configure would be nothing but a series of table  > lookups.)  Not only that, but it would allow platform specific4 "makefiletype" switches, so that when you could do:     $ configure -makefiletype=mms  $ configure -makefiletype=dcl  E on VMS and generate either an mms style file or a plain dcl procedure G "make_vms.com".  Ditto in the obvious ways for other nonUnix platforms.   F Put another way - while autoconf is a portability tool between unices H it is an ANTIportability tool between unix and all other OS's.  And justF because you can get it to work in Cygwin doesn't make it a portabilityK tool, on windows you'd really want it to generate makefiles appropriate for I Visual C++ or CodeWarrior or other common Windows environment compilers.     Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jul 2000 19:50:33 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)L Subject: Re: I/O caching and UNIX evaluations (was: Re: got to remember ...), Message-ID: <8kqfa9$5pi@gap.cco.caltech.edu>   In article <rdeininger-1507001131360001@user-2ivebf7.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:  > E >When I read that the new GS-series machines REQUIRE a billy-box as a H >system console, I almost fell out of my chair.  24x7x365, or until your! >console goes BSOD.  Good Grief!    K Yes, it is very strange.  Maybe they are _that_ desperate for PC sales? No, D but seriously, if you run Compaq's PC based (of course, sigh) systemI configuration program and break the prices out for any GS you'll see that E they want $5k (if memory serves) for that PC.  I guess they figure if J you're dropping half a million on a GS you may not notice the steep markupJ on a rock standard commodity PC.  It's the same psychology where you'll goK half way across town to save $100 on a $200 stereo, but won't budge an inch  to save $100 on a $20,000 car.    J The thing is, if I had to have a PC on such a machine, it certainly would G not be a Compaq PC, or even a Dell.  Instead I'd want to have it built  G locally from top of the line components.  And I'd want two of them, so  J that if the first one failed the spare would be ready to go.  And I could  do that for less than $5k.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:14:42 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)L Subject: Re: I/O caching and UNIX evaluations (was: Re: got to remember ...)L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1507001614420001@user-2iveaoq.dialup.mindspring.com>  Q In article <8kqfa9$5pi@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu wrote:   M > Yes, it is very strange.  Maybe they are _that_ desperate for PC sales? No, F > but seriously, if you run Compaq's PC based (of course, sigh) systemK > configuration program and break the prices out for any GS you'll see that G > they want $5k (if memory serves) for that PC.  I guess they figure if L > you're dropping half a million on a GS you may not notice the steep markup# > on a rock standard commodity PC.    I If you buy a half million dollar GS system, they should give you an XP900 : for a console for FREE.  And make the console work on VMS!  L > The thing is, if I had to have a PC on such a machine, it certainly would I > not be a Compaq PC, or even a Dell.  Instead I'd want to have it built lI > locally from top of the line components.  And I'd want two of them, so hL > that if the first one failed the spare would be ready to go.  And I could  > do that for less than $5k.  E If you could do that, you might be tempted to forego the installationt and hand-holding services for the GS system, which might save enough money to buy a whole gob of PCs.  But I suspect you aren't the pointy-haired type that they are targeting.  :-)   -- m Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comR   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:31:23 -0400 2 From: "William Hymen" <t18_pilot@hotmail.spam.com> Subject: Is my solution SAMBA ?)8 Message-ID: <pV2c5.319758$MB.5309861@news6.giganews.com>  , On VAX 6.2 , I have vms developers coding c,0 and I need to see the same directory as a mapped6 drive/folder on NT.  I have a configuration management3 tool (ClearCase from Rational), and I would like tos* grab files from network neighborhood on NT$ and plunk them into Cleacase running. as a client on NT.  They would be mostly text, however some may be EXE and OBJ7  3 I dont think Compaq affinity is the solution, and IM/ was trying to avoid ftp.  Please provide a links if you have it.n   Bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:22:07 -0700'* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com># Subject: Re: Is my solution SAMBA ?e> Message-ID: <_J3c5.22789$MT.726342@news-west.usenetserver.com>  = "William Hymen" <t18_pilot@hotmail.spam.com> wrote in messagef2 news:pV2c5.319758$MB.5309861@news6.giganews.com.... > On VAX 6.2 , I have vms developers coding c,2 > and I need to see the same directory as a mapped > drive/folder on NT > G If you have NFS on the VAX you can use the NFS gateway in the MicrosoftnF NT Services for Unix.  VMS directories mapped to NFS appear on networkD neighborhood. There are some limitations in how NFS handles VMS fileE types (watch out for RELATIVE files), and there is a bottleneck goingtA through the NT gateway server, but it's cheap, and best of all no F clients to load anywhere.  The VMS memory requirements are far smaller than Pathworks too.r    Jack Peacock    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:53:16 GMTv% From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@dialupnet.com> $ Subject: Re: OpenVMS/Alpha and PEARL8 Message-ID: <1tq1nsog009p9p0dnl84q19sjm9c3nldtg@4ax.com>  0 On Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:18:26 +0100, Lothar Geyer) <Lothar.Geyer@EDV-Berater-GmbH.de> wrote:R  F >Sorry for the typing error: I asked for a PEARL compiler, not for the >PERL scripting language  ; Ah... PEARL I recognize.  It all makes much more sense now.n  1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaq - (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:35:01 -0700t+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>o Subject: Pearl Compileru( Message-ID: <3970F525.61D62EDD@mmaz.com>  H I did a quick search on Pearl and Compilers and came across this URL for+ a German site which you might find usefull:n  8     http://www.real-time.de/real-time/news/news97-2.html  D The Altavista Babelfish only translated a small portion, so I cannotB confirm that it is exactly what you want or need, but it does make= references to a Pearl '97 conference and a Pearl 90 compiler.=   Regards,   Barry=   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOh  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:46:21 -0700-+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>= Subject: Re: Pearl Compiler=( Message-ID: <3970F7CD.618905CC@mmaz.com>  H Ha!, a little more refining on my searching and I've found it for you...  > http://neptun.informatik.unibw-muenchen.de/research/index.html   Barryr   "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:  J > I did a quick search on Pearl and Compilers and came across this URL for- > a German site which you might find usefull:s >s: >     http://www.real-time.de/real-time/news/news97-2.html >lF > The Altavista Babelfish only translated a small portion, so I cannotD > confirm that it is exactly what you want or need, but it does make? > references to a Pearl '97 conference and a Pearl 90 compiler.h >p
 > Regards, >  > Barryh   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:43:09 -0700a* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>! Subject: Re: Problem with UCX FTPv> Message-ID: <Wq8c5.24390$MT.878563@news-west.usenetserver.com>  6 "Jerry Leslie" <leslie@clio.rice.edu> wrote in message! news:8kq5vp$qja$1@joe.rice.edu...h> > The only other time I've seen this problem was when the file
 protectionG > of UCX$FTPD.EXE didn't include W:RE. This was on a client's system inmF > Hungary, and we never tracked down what changed the file protection. > D Solved.  It was the file protection in the [UCX$FTP] directory.  ForF some reason it was owned by UCX$SNMP instead of UCX$FTP.  I changed itC and the error disappeared.  Many thanks for pointing where to look,  makes my life easier now.s      Jack Peacockh   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:29:25 -0500i) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>p Subject: Re: SAMBA / OPENVMS. Message-ID: <sn1p19cfnd643@corp.supernews.com>  > Juliano Aparecido Tedaldi <Juliano.Tedaldi#hcnet.usp.br> wrote1 in message news:3969D701.78E67538@hcnet.usp.br.../   >Dear managers  > I >Anybody have any documetation,  hint or examples  about how to configurey >the SAMBA in  OPENVMS  I Please turn off your VCF card setting when posting to a news group, thankt you.  5 Almost all SAMBA for VMS information can be found at:   4 http://www.ifn.ing.tu-bs.de/ifn/sonst/samba-vms.html  I Normally you can subscribe to a SAMBA specific mailing list by sending ant7 e-mail to listproc@samba.org with only the contents of:r  : subscribe samba-vms [your full name with out the brackets]  I However the procedure does not seem to work right now, and I am no longert2 receiving E-mail from the most of the SAMBA lists.  K There are quite a few of the same people on comp.os.vms as on the SAMBA-VMStJ list, so that if you have specific questions, I am sure that they would be	 answered.s  K Please mention when posting a question, the specific version of VMS you areeL running, the specific version of SAMBA, and the specific TCPIP stack you are/ running including their versions, and any ECOs.     I I am not running the same version of SAMBA-VMS as what is currently being J distributed, and the specific setup / configuration instructions look likeL they will quite a bit different (I am implementing more functionality), so ID am not able to offer you some examples that I know will work in your environment.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 21:18:58 -0700i' From: Mickey Stein <yekkim@pacbell.net>aS Subject: Re: Switching from VXT (x/motif) clients to PC(java 2) clients (aquestion)o+ Message-ID: <397137B2.276C49C1@pacbell.net>e  > <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html>K Carl: What you proposed is pretty much what I've come to see as a plausablerG solution from where I'm at. TCPIP (set service/etc/etc serv) will allow F me to setup the mechanism that clones requests that come into the portH chosen for the app server so that's not a problem. The one piece of thisG (at the moment&lt;g>) that I don't really see anywhere is an example or J even a description of what the event loop of a process that is the serviceL that sits at a tcp port does. It's easy to find examples and code up "serverP event loops" that accept incoming messages but they specifically bind themselvesI to a port, open a socket to the server they're operating on and sit there % waiting for incoming client requests.tH <p>The way you've described and that I'd like to implement would clearlyG not need to specific the port# since by definition, tcpip is activatinguJ the process when a request comes into the designated port. So ... the codeI has to be a bit different and "not" specify a port to sit at , but rather K do something else that would probably be made clear in a second by glancingeF at the main code a typical service program like ftp.&nbsp; (and that's what I can't find).KF <p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; thanks for the response and if you know ofM any examples of actual service activated program code, I'd sure be interested  in getting a peek,K <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; appreciateR	 it - Micke
 <br>&nbsp; <p>Carl Perkins wrote:D <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Mickey Stein &lt;yekkim@pacbell.net> writes...6 <br>}I've got a project that was coded originally in C6 <br>}on VMS. and a GUI-builder "de jour" (teleuse) was6 <br>}used to generate the front-end templates that are6 <br>}in x/motif format. A decision was made to convert7 <br>}the front-end clients to PC's running java 2. I've?6 <br>}done some initial legwork and verified that there/ <br>}seems to be no significant problems on the 3 <br>}front-end by coding up a number of prototypes, 7 <br>}attaching to a socket-server that I built into the-5 <br>}Server code on VMS and doing transactions. Also,@6 <br>}the server application can basically have the old7 <br>}GUI "gutted" and be run as a background app serverE! <br>}sitting at a/some socket(s).e <br>}.3 <br>}Yet another summary: We're going from a system</ <br>}where each client used a VXT, started witht5 <br>}decw$login and executed it's code in the context 6 <br>}of a typical VMS loginout process. We're going to5 <br>}a system where it's not so clear how the contextn5 <br>}is handled. Of course, it's not difficult to usey7 <br>}the Java front end to send requests to the server,t7 <br>}request authorization on the old accounts by usingb5 <br>}$hash_password, $getuai, etc.. What seems reallys6 <br>}problematic to me is that there's no longer a VMS2 <br>}context for each client because I'm not using6 <br>}loginout in any way (because it's not clear to me6 <br>}how to do such a thing). Recoding the Server code1 <br>}is beyond the scope of the project and using 1 <br>}something like xcursion(x-server) won't worka5 <br>}either because the GUI no longer is supported soo3 <br>}it's got to go. If I haven't mentioned it, the 7 <br>}Server is a 4100 Alpha-cluster running VMS 7.2 ande5 <br>}the Server(s) is written in DEC C. I ported this=5 <br>}project vax to alpha a few years ago so the code=  <br>}is quite "old" (86' or so). <br>}t5 <br>}Q: If anyone can give any ideas as to how 50-100t7 <br>}clients can use VMS loginout (or something similar 2 <br>}using system services?) thus having their own6 <br>}context (well, a process to execute in) and still5 <br>}be using the java front end, I'd sure appreciatee7 <br>}hearing them. Really, the other big factor here isy2 <br>}obviously that each client will wind up being4 <br>}serialized without it's own context, thread, or5 <br>}process. I don't know that the old code will runo7 <br>}without breaking any number of decthreads rules. Ie3 <br>}also don't know that decthreads is any sort of>1 <br>}viable answer to the context/login situationn3 <br>}because any number of ancillary routines (liket4 <br>}..com files) are used to manage processes which0 <br>}wouldn't do much good if there were no user <br>}process&lt;g>)e <br>}s( <br>}&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; tia,
 <br>} Mick, <p>The solution is to create user processes.D <p>Instead of having a single server that sits on a port and handlesL <br>all the connections, you need to have your IP stack create a new processJ <br>for each incoming connection much the way that Telnet, FTP, POP, IMAP,F <br>SAMBA etc. do it (depending on your IP software, some of these may not I <br>work that way - they all do with Multinet). Then each user is runningS aaF <br>separateinstance of the server in the context of a process running undercH <br>their own username. This requires somewhere from a bit more to a lot moreH <br>resources then a single-server type operation, but that shouldn't be awF <br>problem. It is what you used to do and it won't use more resources thanJ <br>it used to, probably somewhat less - you are dropping X-windows acrossH <br>a network (and X is not known for being light on the resource usage) foro0 <br>comparatively simple network communications.H <p>A single server (or fixed pool of servers) solution probably requiresF <br>modifying the server to, at the very least, use the Persona system sevicesII <br>to change its context to that of the user who's request it is workingt on <br>at the time. <p>--- Carl</blockquote> </html>h   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:07:25 -0400 / From: Bill Meier <wmeier@##nospam##newsguy.com> , Subject: Re: Sybase TCP errors on Alpha VMS.8 Message-ID: <5a52ns09eqf6ikkkv92mp8m5rbbr8l0ob2@4ax.com>   (For what it's worth ....)    N There can be performance issues which might show up when switching from DECNET< to TCP/IP for the link between a client and a Sybase Server.   Specifically:   K For a query/response type of application over TCP/IP (e.g. Sybase client tooK Sybase Server), it is best to use "TCP NO_DELAY" on both the client and theaM server. (I believe there is some discussion of this in the Sybase PerformanceiJ and Tuning Guide; I seem to remember that the discussion is pretty vague).  M Our experience in our shop (OLTP type application) is that the total time fortN a query lengthened significantly when we switched the transport from Decnet to7 TCP/IP for a particular client <--> Sybase application.i  G The quick explanation is that client queries whose length is longer thetG "network packet size" get broken into 2 or more TCP/IP packets; Without N TCP_NO_DELAY the second packet may not be sent until some time (200 millsecs?) after the first packet is sent.v  G (There's a more detailed description of all this in [IIRC] the StephensaN "TCP/IP Illustrated" book; I also have some place a longer explantion of this.# If interested, please let me know).(    K The above, of course, does not explain the error messages you are seeing inI the log.  
 Bill Meier          ' "Amnon KATZ" <amnon.katz@bca.fr> wrote:x   >Hello Jerry > L >I know that we are not using the last version but our system do not want to! >upgrade unless it is obligatory. K >We had some problems with UCX in the pass and if its working why to touchg >it ?  >g >About your questions: >t= >Q: What has changed since the performance was satisfactory ?fJ >A: This month we had a massive migration of 400 PCs from Win3.11 with DEC( >NET and Net BEUI to Win NT with TCP/IP. >cL >Q : Have there been network upgrades, such as ethernet switches being added >? >A : Chang of protocols only.t >oI >Q: Have you tried a ping between the nodes, to see if there's any packets >loss ?d >A: No, We did not check it. >i >e$ >Thanks for your help and your time. >e >Amnon KATZs >DBA Sybase  >B.C.A" >Tel : +33 (0)1 41 40 14 00 (1504) >E-mail amnon.katz@bca.fra >t) >Jerry Leslie a crit dans le message ...l' >>Amnon KATZ (amnon.katz@bca.fr) wrote: 
 >>: Hello. >>:oE >>: I have a Sybase SQL Server 11.0.3.3 SWR 7936 Rollup running on an.M >>: Alpha OpenVMS Version V7.1-1H1. We are using UCX version V4.2 for TCP/IP.- >>:- >>G >>There are patches (ECOs) available for UCX 4.2. IIRC, the most-recentr >>is ECO 3.o >>F >>The output of "$ UCX SHOW VERSION" will tell what the latest ECO is. >>J >>: My problem is that sybase error log is full of connection messages and0 >>: there are a lot of complains on performance. >>; >>What has changed since the performance was satisfactory ?, >>K >>Have there been network upgrades, such as ethernet switches being added ?e >>:lA >>: This is a sample of the messages that I have in my error log.r >>: B >>: 1. 01:2000/07/03 06:27:45.37 kernel  Cannot read, host process >disconnected: >>:sJ >>: 2. 00:2000/07/03 08:27:40.82 kernel  tcp_nread_defer: bad read, socket >162,  >>: listener 15 >>: 00:2000/07/03 08:27:40.92 kernel  - iosb: error 0P >>: M >>: 3. 00:2000/06/15 10:21:03.31 kernel  nwrite_defer: Bad write, socket 196,o >>: listener 3 >>: J >>: 4. 00:2000/06/15 10:21:03.42 kernel  - VMS error: %SYSTEM-F-LINKABORT,( >>: network partner aborted logical link >>:eL >>: 5. 00:2000/06/15 10:33:29.20 kernel  tcp_nwrite_defer: Bad write, socket >>: 366, listener 1c9 >>: 00:2000/06/15 10:33:29.33 kernel  - iosb: broken pipei >>:n >>L >>Have you tried a ping between the nodes, to see if there's any packet loss >? >>L >>: I opened a case at Sybase France but I didnt got any solution from them >>: yet.F >>: The only clue that I got was that it is probably a UCX problem and$ >>: I should look in that direction. >>:o  >>: Can any one help me on this? >>:g >>L >>I've added comp.os.vms, since a lot of former Sybase users hang out there. >>1 >>--Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.net = >>                 leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalid 4 >>                 (my opinions are strictly my own) >1   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:16:57 -0600 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>p  Subject: VAXstation VLC terminalC Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000715201602.070b8698@pop.clsp.uswest.net>   F Having a brain dump here.  How (and where) do I connect a serial cableG to a VS VLC?  I have one that won't boot, so I need to see the console. 5 I don't normally have anything connected to this one.y   Thanks!u ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ I | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |0I | Principal Engineer            |  "Time flies like an arrow.  Fruit    |oI | Process Software              |   flies like a banana."               | I | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |5I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:26:02 -0500o% From: Chris Scheers <asi@airmail.net>V$ Subject: Re: VAXstation VLC terminalO Message-ID: <0839A8B6A65F811D.3A0D04F31E80D066.6F794CC44FA43D96@lp.airnews.net>k   Dan O'Reilly wrote:r > H > Having a brain dump here.  How (and where) do I connect a serial cableI > to a VS VLC?  I have one that won't boot, so I need to see the console.t7 > I don't normally have anything connected to this one.e  D The alternate console on a VLC is the MMJ connector with the printer icon on the back.-   The S3 switch is on the side.a  
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