1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 19 Jul 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 400       Contents: bash on VMS  Re: bash on VMS ! Connecting modem to DECserver 300  DCPS support for Tek printers? Re: Decwrite: where to get?  Re: Decwrite: where to get?  Re: Decwrite: where to get? # does anyone remember mr.rabinowicz? ' Re: does anyone remember mr.rabinowicz? % Graphical bootup on OpenVMS 7.2/Alpha  Re: Hobbes frozen on startup Re: Hobbes frozen on startup How to Reset a DECServer 90L+ ! Re: How to Reset a DECServer 90L+ + RE: JAVA Fast Virtual Machine now available . Re: Keyboard/Video/Mouse switch for Alpha & PC. RE: Keyboard/Video/Mouse switch for Alpha & PC. Re: Keyboard/Video/Mouse switch for Alpha & PC. Re: Keyboard/Video/Mouse switch for Alpha & PC License VAX ELN * Limit a UIC group access to a number of 50. Re: Limit a UIC group access to a number of 50. Re: Limit a UIC group access to a number of 501 Re: Looking for information on PE parameter usage ' Re: MicroVax 3100-M40 hardware problems  Re: Netscape Access Violation * Re: Pathworks v6.0B and its administrationB Problem with autogen during post installation process on alpha kit: Re: Set up decserver 90m as ppp dial-in on Alpha with VMS.+ RE: Silly Question, Remote Process priority + RE: Silly Question, Remote Process priority  RE: speaking of performance  Users of MANMAN  Re: Users of MANMAN  Re: Using CMS and NFS  VCC_MAXSIZE and 100 files total  VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?  Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?  RE: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?  Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?  Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?  Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?  Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'? RE: VMS fortunes?  Re: VMS fortunes?  Re: VMS fortunes?  Re: VMS fortunes?  Web browser and VMS mail Re: Web browser and VMS mail Re: Web browser and VMS mail Re: Web browser and VMS mail Re: Web browser and VMS mail Re: Web browser and VMS mail" Wish List:  I/O vs. CPU Priorities& Re: Wish List:  I/O vs. CPU Priorities& Re: Wish List:  I/O vs. CPU Priorities& Re: Wish List:  I/O vs. CPU Priorities WORK AT HOME WORK AT HOME Re: YAHMAIL/WASD problem6 Re: [Q] What SCSI tapes drives does VMS 5.5-2 support?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:27:16 GMT  From: anjul73@my-deja.com  Subject: bash on VMS) Message-ID: <8l2i2v$cio$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   G I have been desperately trying to find the port of bash to VMS. I found D a few listings that talked about its existence, but I could not find the software itself.  C I will be grateful if somebody could point me to the same or send a  copy if they have to:    Anjul.Srivastava@sanchez.com   Thanks very much!    Anjul.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Jul 2000 22:27:53 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: bash on VMS, Message-ID: <8l2ll9$5p4@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  E In article <8l2i2v$cio$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, anjul73@my-deja.com writes: H >I have been desperately trying to find the port of bash to VMS. I foundE >a few listings that talked about its existence, but I could not find  >the software itself.  >      http://gnv.sourceforge.net/   D It works for many things.  It doesn't work for the "configure" files0 from autoconf (at least none that I've tried.)     Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:54:07 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>* Subject: Connecting modem to DECserver 3007 Message-ID: <200007182354_MC2-ACB6-3AF8@compuserve.com>   E         The DECserver 300 does not support modem control.  You need a H DECserver 200/MC  (DSRVB-AA if memory serves me).  Fortunately, they are cheap.  G         You may be able to make a DECserver 300 work in some fashion or H other but you cannot make it secure!  The DECserver 300 has no means forH detecting loss of the connection so you if you lose your connection, theJ next person to dial that number will be connected and find himself logged=   in as you!!!  =     ' Message text written by "Shay E. Cohen" J >I want to connect a dial up modem to a DECserver 300 port so that remote=  G user can connect to the system.  What cable do I need?  Do you have the A connectors (DB25 in the modem side and MMJ in the DS300 side) pin H description?  Should there be a special definitions in the modem (except for = the auto answer)?  Where can I find the DECserver 300 manual?  <    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Jul 2000 22:24:15 GMT6 From: DAVISM@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael T. Davis)' Subject: DCPS support for Tek printers? : Message-ID: <8l2lef$9ua$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  C 	Can any version of DCPS support either the Tektronix Phaser 550 or  the Tektronix Phaser 850?    Thanks,   Mike  --K              Michael T. Davis              |    Systems Specialist: ChE,MSE N   E-mail: davism@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu    | Departmental Networking/ComputingJ            -or- DAVISM+@osu.edu            |     The Ohio State UniversityJ http://www.er6.eng.ohio-state.edu/~davism/ |     197 Watts, (614) 292-6928   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:11:40 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>$ Subject: Re: Decwrite: where to get?3 Message-ID: <0n6d5.91$%e1.2208@typhoon.aracnet.com>   > Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.xxx.293778.killspam.0223> wrote:M > Well, yes, but only the first nine or so have anything useful on them.  The N > high numbered CDs have stuff like Japanese COBOL and Swahili Motif on them. O > Still, your point is valid.  9 CDs worth of software won't fit on a single CD I > any more than 16 will.  Maybe we ought to have a hobbyist condist.  :-) C                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^    Now that would be nice!    		Zane   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:22:13 GMT 4 From: jonadab@bright.net (Jonadab the Unsightly One)$ Subject: Re: Decwrite: where to get?- Message-ID: <3974ce96.250680@news.bright.net>   > wayne@tachysoft.xxx.293778.killspam.0223 (Wayne Sewell) wrote:  M > Well, yes, but only the first nine or so have anything useful on them.  The N > high numbered CDs have stuff like Japanese COBOL and Swahili Motif on them.    Japanese COBOL?      !   < Okay, Swahili Motif would almost make sense, if you happened; to be fluent in Swahili.  But COBOL is so inherently geared 8 toward one-byte-is-one-character, that to have a version9 of it with a non-Latin alphabet is pretty darn absurd, if  you don't mind my saying.   < Then again, I've seen Hangul Word Perfect, and we're talking7 4.x or 5.x era here, so fonts are strictly what's built  into the printer...   O > Still, your point is valid.  9 CDs worth of software won't fit on a single CD  > any more than 16 will.     Sure they will.   = You just have to use that hyper-extended-maximum compression. - You know, the kind of compression LCARS uses.   	 - jonadab    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 02:28:22 GMT 0 From: gilley@nospam.bravewc.com (Charles Gilley)$ Subject: Re: Decwrite: where to get?> Message-ID: <Hk8d5.3324$mL5.123478@news-west.usenetserver.com>  @ I thought DECwrite was one of those sw products sold off by Bob?  D In article <0n6d5.91$%e1.2208@typhoon.aracnet.com>, "Zane H. Healy" # <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote: ? >Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.xxx.293778.killspam.0223> wrote: N >> Well, yes, but only the first nine or so have anything useful on them.  TheO >> high numbered CDs have stuff like Japanese COBOL and Swahili Motif on them.  P >> Still, your point is valid.  9 CDs worth of software won't fit on a single CDJ >> any more than 16 will.  Maybe we ought to have a hobbyist condist.  :-)D >                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >  >Now that would be nice! >  >                Zane    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:47:59 +0200 ' From: "Harald Droste" <quadword@web.de> , Subject: does anyone remember mr.rabinowicz?) Message-ID: <8l2mhp$vk1$1@news.online.de>   	 Dear all, E flicking through old files I found a hand-written reference to a text B written by  DEC's brilliant Mr.Rabinovicz (I apologize for a wrongB spelling); the text is related to processes and pressing <CTRL-T>. Of course, I couldn't find it.K If anyone does know, would you please let me have a pointer to _any_ of his  pearls.  TIA  Harald   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:34:07 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> 0 Subject: Re: does anyone remember mr.rabinowicz?( Message-ID: <8l3ej6$h3n$1@pyrite.mv.net>  F Yes, I remember Stan (Rabinowitz) - in fact I saw him yesterday.  He's? working at Avid these days, and I think continues his math book  hobby/business on the side.   K I don't know where one might find a repository of Stan's many contributions J to DEC history, but I've appended below one of the better-known items that7 got posted here recently (appropriately, on Feb. 29th).    - bill     [Written by Stan Rabinowitz]  )                             D I G I T A L   *                            SPR ANSWER FORM   SPR NO. 11-60903    ;            SYSTEM   VERSION   PRODUCT   VERSION   COMPONENT B SOFTWARE:  VAX/VMS  V3.2      VAX/VMS   V3.2      Run-Time Library       PROBLEM:  F The LIB$DAY Run-Time Library service "incorrectly"  assumes  the  year 2000 is a leap year.    	 RESPONSE:   ' Thank you for your forward-looking SPR.   F Various system services, such as SYS$ASCTIM assume that the year  2000F will  be  a  leap  year.   Although one can never be sure of what willF happen at some future time, there is strong historical  precedent  forF presuming  that the present Gregorian calendar will still be in affectF by the year 2000.  Since we also hope that VMS will still be around by3 then, we have chosen to adhere to these precedents.   F The purpose of a calendar is to reckon time in advance,  to  show  howF many  days  have  to  elapse  until a certain event takes place in theF future, such as the harvest or the release of VMS  V4.   The  earliestF calendars,  naturally,  were  crude  and  tended  to be based upon the seasons or the lunar cycle.   F The calendar of the Assyrians, for example, was based upon the  phasesF of  the  moon.  They knew that a lunation (the time from one full moonF to the next) was 29 1/2 days long, so their lunar year had a  durationF of  364  days.   This  fell  short of the solar year by about 11 days.F (The exact time for the solar year is approximately 365 days, 5 hours,F 48  minutes,  and  46  seconds.)  After 3 years, such a lunar calendarF would be off by a whole month, so the Assyrians added an  extra  monthF from  time  to time to keep their calendar in synchronization with the seasons.  F The best approximation that was possible in antiquity  was  a  19-yearF period, with 7 of these 19 years having 13 months (leap months).  ThisF scheme was adopted as the basis for the religious calendar used by theF Jews.   (The  Arabs  also  used  this  calendar until Mohammed forbade& shifting from 12 months to 13 months.)  F When Rome emerged as a world  power,  the  difficulties  of  making  aF calendar  were  well  known,  but  the  Romans complicated their livesF because of their superstition that even numbers were  unlucky.   HenceF their  months were 29 or 31 days long, with the exception of February,F which had 28 days.  Every second year, the Roman calendar included  anF extra  month  called  Mercedonius of 22 or 23 days to keep up with the solar year.   F Even this algorithm was very poor, so that in 45 BC,  Caesar,  advisedF by  the  astronomer Sosigenes, ordered a sweeping reform.  By imperialF decree, one year was made 445 days long to bring the calendar back  inF step  with  the  seasons.  The new calendar, similar to the one we nowF use was called the Julian calendar (named after Julius Caesar).   It'sF months  were  30 or 31 days in length and every fourth year was made aF leap year (having 366 days).  Caesar also decreed that the year  wouldF start with the first of January, not the vernal equinox in late March.  F Caesar's year was 11 1/2 minutes short of the calculations recommendedF by  Sosigenes  and  eventually the date of the vernal equinox began toF drift.  Roger Bacon became alarmed and sent a note to Pope Clement IV,F who  apparently  was  not  impressed.   Pope  Sixtus  IV  later becameF convinced that  another  reform  was  needed  and  called  the  GermanF astronomer,  Regiomontanus,  to  Rome  to  advise him.  Unfortunately,F Regiomontanus died of the plague shortly thereafter and the plans died as well.  F In 1545, the Council of Trent authorized Pope Gregory XIII  to  reformF the  calendar  once  more.   Most of the mathematical work was done byF Father Christopher Clavius, S.J.  The immediate  correction  that  wasF adopted  was  that Thursday, October 4, 1582 was to be the last day ofF the Julian calendar.  The next  day  was  Friday,  with  the  date  ofF October  15.   For  long  range  accuracy,  a formula suggested by theF Vatican librarian Aloysius Giglio was adopted.   It  said  that  everyF fourth  year  is  a  leap  year  except for century years that are notF divisible by 400.  Thus 1700, 1800 and 1900 would not be  leap  years,F but  2000  would  be a leap year since 2000 is divisible by 400.  ThisF rule eliminates 3 leap years every 4 centuries,  making  the  calendarF sufficiently  correct  for  most  ordinary purposes.  This calendar isF known as the Gregorian calendar and is the one that we now use  today.F (It  is  interesting  to note that in 1582, all the Protestant princesF ignored the papal decree and so many countries continued  to  use  theF Julian  calendar  until either 1698 or 1752.  In Russia, it needed the8 revolution to introduce the Gregorian calendar in 1918.)  D This explains why VMS chooses to treat the year 2000 as a leap year.  F Despite the great accuracy of the Gregorian calendar, it  still  fallsF behind very slightly every few years.  If you are very concerned aboutF this problem, we suggest that you tune in  short  wave  radio  stationF WWV,  which  broadcasts  official  time  signals for use in the UnitedF States.  About once every 3 years, they declare a leap second at whichF time  you  should be careful to adjust your system clock.  If you haveF trouble picking up their signals, we suggest you  purchase  an  atomicF clock (not manufactured by Digital and not a VAX option at this time).   END OF SPR RESPONSE   0 Harald Droste <quadword@web.de> wrote in message# news:8l2mhp$vk1$1@news.online.de...  > Dear all, G > flicking through old files I found a hand-written reference to a text D > written by  DEC's brilliant Mr.Rabinovicz (I apologize for a wrongD > spelling); the text is related to processes and pressing <CTRL-T>.  > Of course, I couldn't find it.I > If anyone does know, would you please let me have a pointer to _any_ of  his 	 > pearls.  > TIA  > Harald >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Jul 2000 21:55:31 GMT* From: bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler). Subject: Graphical bootup on OpenVMS 7.2/Alpha3 Message-ID: <8l2joj$110$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>   K The monitor I have doesn't support the card's default settings, so I'd like I to use the text based console.  Unfortunatly, the keyboard goes dead once J the graphical login has come up (I have 2 cards installed, a matrox, whichJ is used as the text console, and the 8-bit framebuffer which came with theF machine and is used under graphics).  I can still see all of the text,K but I cannot log in, nor enter any commands if I've done the "what to do if ( you have forgotten the system password".  
 Any ideas?  
 Brian Wheeler  bdwheele@indiana.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:36:02 -0400 . From: "Steven Shamlian" <not.an@earthling.net>% Subject: Re: Hobbes frozen on startup 3 Message-ID: <8l2po5$te5$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>   J > "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"  Especially if you lack the skills to fix your mistakes!!!  6 That's what you cool dudes at comp.os.vms are for!  :D =+=Steve=+=    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:41:24 -0400h. From: "Steven Shamlian" <not.an@earthling.net>% Subject: Re: Hobbes frozen on startupi2 Message-ID: <8l2q27$838$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>   Well...tF By the numbers, hobbes is doing well.  It has 49 members, and has beenG growing all the time. However, I haven't seen more than two users on at/L once; some haven't even logged on at all.  On the other hand, there are someH users that are on Hobbes all the time, using it for this and that.  MostL user requests are from people who want to learn VMS for fun or for business;' there are only a handful of nostalgics. K So to sum it up, even for the benifit of the few, it's a worthwile thing toe> do.  Besides, it gives ya one more thing to do in the day.. ;) =+=Steve=+=r  B "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message' news:3973C00D.BD826FC3@earthlink.net...k > Steven Shamlian wrote: > >e
 > > Hello.K > > I have never posted to comp.os.vms before, as I have never been able to  getoJ > > newsgroup access to work (well) with previous ISPs.  (I have, however, readE > > the newsgroup through Deja News.)  Anyway, I am partial owner andt currentEK > > sysadmin of Hobbes (which is currently down until someone can give me asH > > hand), a free server on the web running VMS.  To cut to the quick, IH > > modified SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, innocently adding (among other things) a line to J > > mount the bootdrive (which was completely unneccesary, but I thought I wase > > doing the right thing...)  > 
 > Hhmmm... >oF > Well, now that you know, no, once a disk a MOUNTed, you're all set -C > especially the system disk. Undo that, and you should be all set.  > ( > By the way - how's the sign ups going? > I > I was debating doing something similar, only in my case I'd try to make G > available a commercially licensed Alpha system for development in thehJ > good old time-sharing tradition via the internet. I wasn't sure how highF > the interest in such a facility would be, so I'm curious to know how > Hobbes is doing. >A > -- > David J. Dachterao > dba DJE SystemsS > http://www.djesys.com/ >-< > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/,   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:41:19 -0400S& From: "Stan Barndt" <stan@nextaxs.com>& Subject: How to Reset a DECServer 90L+" Message-ID: <8l28bk$j9@netaxs.com>  I     A client picked up one of these second hand.  He can't connect to hishI Alpha, because all the ports are dedicated to a service that he obviouslys
 doesn't have. K     I know how to reset a DS 100, 200, and 300, but have never done it on a  90L.     What's the trick?o   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:18:17 GMT-, From: "J. Scott Greig" <jsgreig@geminaq.com>* Subject: Re: How to Reset a DECServer 90L+6 Message-ID: <Z32d5.60974$9t5.235962@quark.idirect.com>  1 "Stan Barndt" <stan@nextaxs.com> wrote in messageo news:8l28bk$j9@netaxs.com...K >     A client picked up one of these second hand.  He can't connect to his K > Alpha, because all the ports are dedicated to a service that he obviouslys > doesn't have. K >     I know how to reset a DS 100, 200, and 300, but have never done it on  ak > 90L. >     What's the trick?a >c >   A You must get connected to the DS90L+ from the Alpha using one of:g   DECnet phase IV.I Define the server as a node, specifying the physical address, making sure- thatC the ethernet circuit is SERVICE ENABLED.  Then, using NCP, you can:m  G NCP> Connect node DS90LP via EWA0 (or whatever the ethernet circuit is)o     DECnet phase V  J Define the DS90L+ as a MOP client, specifying the Lan address and circuit, then   $ Set Host/Mop DS90LPr    " Or, if you've loaded LANACP, just:   $ MCR Lancp @ LANCP> Connect node 08-00-2b-xx-yy-zz/Device= EWA0 (or whatever)  : Finally, you'll get the DS90L+'s prompt (default is shown)  K -> set m,e,password (to enable management mode, default password is system)s: -> set d,1,d      (to disable dedicated service on port 1) -> set d,2,d      ( &etc)m .  .l .  -> set d,8,d  G If authorized mode is not allowed (i.e. you get an error after the "set  m,e,password " command) you must first do a:t  
 -> set auth,s   F You will be prompted to power down the DS90L+ within 60 seconds.  When@ you plug it back in, the "set m,e,password" command should work.   Hope this helps  Scotte   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:20:32 -0400 # From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> 4 Subject: RE: JAVA Fast Virtual Machine now availableD Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD773@berry.mvpsi.com>   > -----Original Message-----' > From: Dirk Munk [mailto:munk@home.nl]  >  > John Vottero wrote:h > >   > > > -----Original Message-----F > > > From: koehler@eisner.decus.org [mailto:koehler@eisner.decus.org] > > >h2 > > > In article <8kv5c4$qfk@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,: > > > mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes: > > >aA > > > > Now how about a real honest to goodness Java (and/or javau > > > bytecode) toA > > > > object file _compiler_?   The limit of speed improvements/ > > > to a "fast virtual> > > > > machine" is the speed of "compiled to native code", so > > > rather then getting1@ > > > > there incrementally with faster and faster "Fast Virtual > > > Machine"s why notD& > > > > go right for the final payoff? > > >e> > > > Wouldn't that expose Compaq to the same sort of lawsuit  > Microsoft lostC > > > to Sun?  Sun OWNS Java, and IIRC compiling to native mode wasg > > > one of the< > > > things Sun accused MS to be doing in violation of the  > Java copyright.m > > >t > > 9 > > I am not a lawyer (Thank God) but I don't think it's   > possible to copyright,< > > patent or trademark a language.  Aston-Tate tried to do  > that with dBase, > > went to court and lost.^ > H > It is possible. The US department of defence had (has ?) the trademark= > for ADA. You could only call your Ada language "ADA" if it a > was certifiedo > once (?) a year. >   L The trademark protects usage of the word ADA.  I could legally create an AdaD compiler, call it "Lovelace" and claim that it was an Ada compatibleL compiler.  I would just have to point out that Ada is a registered trademark of the DOD.h  J OpenVMS is also a trademark.  I couldn't create an O/S and call it OpenVMSC but I could create an O/S and claim that it was OpenVMS compatible.,   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:14:53 GMTa( From: Jay Olson <jjo@triton.com.no.spam>7 Subject: Re: Keyboard/Video/Mouse switch for Alpha & PCp2 Message-ID: <39749D00.B437036E@triton.com.no.spam>   Alan Frisbie wrote:  > 8 > I am looking for a KVM (Keyboard, Video, Mouse) switch0 > that will work well with a variety of systems: >   >     2 - AlphaStation 200 (VMS)! >     1 - AlphaServer 1000A (VMS)t/ >     3 - Generic PCs (Linux and Windows 95/98)u > 8 > What brands are know to work well with both Alphas and > PCs? >  > Any that I should avoid? >   B I have a Belkin OmniView and it does funny things with VMS Alphas.F Definitely not recommended for this use. I have heard that the RaritanE switches work well with VMS machines. However, I have also heard thatHD you cannot mix PCs and VMS (perhaps even Unix) machines because theyE initialize the keyboard differently. On the other hand, the blurb for%F the Raritan switches in the Data Comm Warehouse catalog says they haveA "dedicated keyboard & mouse emulators", so perhaps this fixes the2 problem.  ( 	- Jay Olson (jjo "at" triton "dot" com) 	Triton Software Group LLC   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:25:20 -0400o# From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com>i7 Subject: RE: Keyboard/Video/Mouse switch for Alpha & PCDD Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD774@berry.mvpsi.com>  F I've been happy with my "Raritan Compuswitch" (www.raritan.com).  It's/ switching between OpenVMS, Tru64 and WindowsNT.    > -----Original Message-----< > From: abuse@flying-disk.com [mailto:abuse@flying-disk.com]' > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 12:26 PMc > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comb5 > Subject: Keyboard/Video/Mouse switch for Alpha & PC  >  > = > I am looking for a KVM (Keyboard, Video, Mouse) switch that + > will work well with a variety of systems:b >   >     2 - AlphaStation 200 (VMS)! >     1 - AlphaServer 1000A (VMS)s/ >     3 - Generic PCs (Linux and Windows 95/98)  > 8 > What brands are know to work well with both Alphas and > PCs? >  > Any that I should avoid? > 	 > Thanks,- > Alan >  > -- - > --  D > --  Alan E. Frisbie             Frisbie "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" ComB > --  Flying Disk Systems, Inc.   Abuse "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com >    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:11:41 -0400 (EDT)  From: quayle@infinet.com7 Subject: Re: Keyboard/Video/Mouse switch for Alpha & PChL Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10007181606330.27302-100000@shell.oh.voyager.net>  8 > I am looking for a KVM (Keyboard, Video, Mouse) switch0 > that will work well with a variety of systems: > : > > What brands are know to work well with both Alphas and > > PCs?  H I use a Linksys 4-port unit, and returned the unit to the factory, to noH avail.  It's connected to 2 Multias running VMS, a DEC PWS 500au running& VMS, and a HP Vectra VL running Linux.  ? DECwindows sessions sometimes get continual "space" characters. F Unplugging and replugging the keyboard stops the behavior temporarily.F One of the Multias doesn't run DECwindows, and the "glass TTY" session doesn't get the spaces.r  J The mouse cursor on the Linux box can't be positioned to the left or below the exact center of the screen.l   Really frustrating...    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:42:57 GMTn2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>7 Subject: Re: Keyboard/Video/Mouse switch for Alpha & PCy3 Message-ID: <Bb4d5.81$%e1.2399@typhoon.aracnet.com>a  9 In comp.sys.dec Jay Olson <jjo@triton.com.no.spam> wrote: D > I have a Belkin OmniView and it does funny things with VMS Alphas.H > Definitely not recommended for this use. I have heard that the RaritanG > switches work well with VMS machines. However, I have also heard thattF > you cannot mix PCs and VMS (perhaps even Unix) machines because theyG > initialize the keyboard differently. On the other hand, the blurb forpH > the Raritan switches in the Data Comm Warehouse catalog says they haveC > "dedicated keyboard & mouse emulators", so perhaps this fixes theh
 > problem.  I I've got one of these.  I've got a couple PC's and a couple Alpha's on itbE normally.  I've not had trouble with a AlphaStation 200 4/233 runningaL OpenVMS that I used to have on it, but I have had trouble with the keyboard J locking up and being unusable with a Multia running OpenBSD.  Also I just ? plain can't hook the Keyboard or mouse of my PWS433au up to it.    			Zanee   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:28:09 GMT1# From: Mark Sterk <strong@chello.nl>a Subject: License VAX ELN) Message-ID: <3974BCC8.74A7A1B4@chello.nl>a  F I am looking for a VAX ELN Runtime Binary License, partno. QL-376AB-FAG The only problem is that Compaq declared it a retired product and won'to sell one to me.m  H Does anyone of you know how to obtain a license and if it's transferable to my machine?     Thanks in advance,   Mark   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:35:17 GMT. From: trdorr@my-deja.com3 Subject: Limit a UIC group access to a number of 50,) Message-ID: <8l2f23$a5n$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  C Is there some way or program or utility to limit a UIC group to notrD exceed a given number of logins? There is a need to keep a UIC group? to a limit to not use the total number of licenses by a layeredeE application. Our layered application grants a total number but I needw4 to limit a UIC group to not use more than 50 logins. Thanks,h Tom     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.a   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Jul 2000 21:11:11 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)7 Subject: Re: Limit a UIC group access to a number of 50s6 Message-ID: <8l2h5f$60f$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  D In article <8l2f23$a5n$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, trdorr@my-deja.com writes:D :Is there some way or program or utility to limit a UIC group to notE :exceed a given number of logins? There is a need to keep a UIC group @ :to a limit to not use the total number of licenses by a layeredF :application. Our layered application grants a total number but I need5 :to limit a UIC group to not use more than 50 logins.n  A   There is no direct mechanism to limit a particular UIC group tolB   a specific number of logins (similar limits on individual users B   are available), but rather easy to add a check for this (a smallD   image that is installed with the appropriate privileges, and that B   loops through the processes on the system or cluster, and counts>   the number of matches) into the site-specific SYLOGIN.COM...  D   Most folks would just let the licensing check fail.  I am assuming3   that there is a reason why this cannot be done...F  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jul 2000 18:56:13 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) 7 Subject: Re: Limit a UIC group access to a number of 50e+ Message-ID: <imljMdqAolO$@eisner.decus.org>m  D In article <8l2f23$a5n$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, trdorr@my-deja.com writes:E > Is there some way or program or utility to limit a UIC group to notaF > exceed a given number of logins? There is a need to keep a UIC groupA > to a limit to not use the total number of licenses by a layeredsG > application. Our layered application grants a total number but I needn6 > to limit a UIC group to not use more than 50 logins.    K Yes, provided your management of the Account field matches the VMS default:a  + >>> $ mcr authorize help modify/maxacctjobs  >>> 
 >>> MODIFY >>>  >>>   /MAXACCTJOBS >>>  >>>         /MAXACCTJOBS=value >>> I >>>      Specifies the maximum number of batch, interactive, and detached F >>>      processes that can be active at one time for all users of theC >>>      same account. By default, a user has a maximum of 0, which ( >>>      represents an unlimited number.   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jul 2000 15:00:03 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young): Subject: Re: Looking for information on PE parameter usage+ Message-ID: <qrcoZ8gkkUlW@eisner.decus.org>   X In article <K3tLFWaBFiYb@eisner.decus.org>, young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes:X > In article <00256920.0051FA42.00@quegw01.btyp>, Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk writes: >> cc: >> bcc: @ >> Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza >>  0 >> Looking for information on PE parameter usage >> uS >> Can anyone point me in the right direction for help on the PE parameter settingseQ >> in SYSGEN? I see that they are reserved parameters, but I wonder of some could-8 >> help us with Oracle/VMS/Cluster prefromance problems. >> a  ( 	Brain is not engaged today... gee whiz.  ; 	But I am happily distracted, more later I am sure !!!! ;-)i   Search here:  0 http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/index.html  %         DSN article explaining PE1:  t    I                           48.how NOT to propagate a lock to another node?o  . javascript:doWIZARD('/wizard/group6/674.html')    6         Search "lock" and scroll down to old articles.  #                                 Robs   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:02:39 -0400i* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>0 Subject: Re: MicroVax 3100-M40 hardware problems- Message-ID: <3974FE2F.C6F32665@tsoft-inc.com>e   "J. Scott Greig" wrote:- > D > "Daniel Koerner" <sb413ko@l1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de> wrote in message/ > news:8l1tik$68d$2@news-hrz.uni-duisburg.de...H
 > > Hi folks,  > >uK > > I had some trouble booting a MicroVAX 3100-M40 (at this time with VMS).o. > > It seems there are some hardware problems.H > > The system has 32 MB RAM (which is the maximum) and three harddisks. > >  > > Boot messages are: > >- > > KA45-A V1.4-38D-V4.2 > > 08-00-2B-93-85-E50 > > 32MB% > > |                               |a% > > #################################r > > ?? 001   9        NI  0172 > A > The NI indicates the ethernet  controller (on the motherboard).sD > It's possible that the ethernet is not properly terminated (sorry,8 > I don't know specifically what error code 0172 means).B > The double question mark indicates a fatal error i.e. it must be) > correcvted before the system will boot., > @ > On the back of the 3140 are two ethernet access ports, one AUIB > and one Thinwire - between these two is a switch that determinesE > which ethernet access port is to be used.  Even if no connection issC > made, the selected port must be terminated, so for the AUI port aoA > (I don't know what-to-call-it - DEQ part number is 12-22196-01)mB > should be installed, or for the thinwire, a T-connector with two' > 50ohm terminators should be in place.  >  > Hope this helpsv > Scott   P Well, just cause the ethernet port is not terminated should not cause the systemP to not work.  You should be able to boot from the disk.  However, if the default6 boot device IS the ethernet, nope, it sure won't boot.  N Do you actually get to the console prompt?  Even with a power-on test failure,L fatal or warning, you should still get the console prompt.  If so, then typeP SHOW BOOT (I believe), and if not one of the disks, then do a SET BOOT DKA?.  IfI you don't get the console prompt, then yeah, you have a hardware problem.e   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:37:42 GMTk, From: TMcGrath@cendant.com.au (Tony McGrath)& Subject: Re: Netscape Access Violation2 Message-ID: <3974e861.2648420@news.ozemail.com.au>  A On 17 Jul 2000 21:22:09 PDT, abuse@flying-disk.com (Alan Frisbie)r wrote:  : >I was happily (well, mostly) running Netscape v3.03 on my7 >AlphaStation under VMS v7.1.    Then I upgraded to VMSi3 >v7.2-1 and Motif 1.2-5.   Now Netscape gives me an / >access violation every time I try to start it.- >-< >I haven't seen anyone else complain about this, so I assume >that I screwed something up.o  F I've been meaning to mention something about my problems with Netscape/ for quite some time but never got around to it.dE I also get an Access Violation every time I try to run Netscape on myc= VAXstation 3100/38 with VMS7.2 and Motif 1.2-5 (Hobbyist CD).wC No idea if it's related but I thought I may as well mention it here0D just in case. I don't have the details of the traceback here with me1 but I can bring it in from home if it's required.iE Any other VAX users out there having similar problems with Netscape ?e   Cheers from Oz,9    Tony5 ---u  C Tony McGrath, Systems Administrator, British Airways Executive Club N Cendant Membership Services, 596 North Road, Ormond, Victoria, 3204, Australia- Phone : 61 3 9578 8233   Fax : 61 3 9578 6326l   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:50:20 -0400 % From: JM <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com>,3 Subject: Re: Pathworks v6.0B and its administration O Message-ID: <25BE7A8E3F0695CC.F5827E80794C583F.C056FF597702CF3E@lp.airnews.net>h   David:  +   Check out my OSU webserver script page ats! www.geocities.com/vmswiz/vms.htmld  C   I have written a web browser based management system for Advancedn Server that you might like.>   			*JM*d   > > -----Original Message-----0 > > From: David LAZIMY [mailto:david@lazimy.com]( > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 7:29 AM > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh3 > > Subject: Pathworks v6.0B and its administrationd > >C > >s > > Hi,C > >cB > > I used to work with Pathworks 5.0 (pretty old !!) and using a  > > semi-GUIB > > interface to manage the pathworks share and properties of the  > > server.eA > > I'm using version 6.0B and it seems that the only way to workt > > on the server > > > is the command line interface you can use coming with the  > > "administer" > > command.B > > Does anybody know if there is a way to use a little more user  > > friendly? > > interface to work on the console all the more as the peopleo > > working here oni5 > > VMS are not used to the Windows administration..., > >s > > Thanks a lot,d > > David - david@lazimy.com > >  > >- > >- > >-   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 05:06:58 GMT! From: gigglegs@aol.com (Gigglegs):K Subject: Problem with autogen during post installation process on alpha kit8: Message-ID: <20000719010658.20001.00000877@ng-cf1.aol.com>  O         Hi  all , i am having problems installing open vms.  i am following the L open vms hobbiest guide kit(from montagar software concepts).  i was able toN finish the basic installation .but post installation process after the bootingH the sytem fails to do post installation processing. I also tried running autogen from the prompt as inl     $$$ @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN/   There were errors similiar to 0 sys$system:agen$params.report  couldnt be  read.> %autogen-i-bad file  bad versions of sys$system:setparams.dat  sys$manager:vmsimages.dat   M does anyone have a clue what is going on ? my machine is  an alphastation 200n6 4/233 4 GB hard disk  64 mb ram )  help is appreciated    thanks.+ ps : my email  address is ocel@aol.com     t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:41:12 +0400S4 From: Valentin Likoum <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru>C Subject: Re: Set up decserver 90m as ppp dial-in on Alpha with VMS.o4 Message-ID: <1185764283.20000719094112@ncc.volga.ru>  = On 18.07.2000 "Etienne Rompr=E9" <rompre@rompre.qc.ca> wrote:e   > Hi,i/ > We have a Alpha Server with Open Vms and ucx.TF > Can I use a decserveur 90M with a modem for a remote PPP dial-in wi= th a mac# > or PC to use the company network?h > Our 90M now use LAT.F > If you known some good site for this type of config, any help would=  bef > appreciated.	 > Thanks!        Hello Etiennet  F   Yes, it possible and works OK for us. Config for our PPP dial-in po= rt:L  F ----------------  start of output of "sho port 8"  ------------------= -e? Port  8:                               Server: LAT_xxxxxxxxxxxx   F Character Size:            8           Input Speed:               960= 0uF Flow Control:            DSR           Output Speed:              960= 0-F Parity:                 None           Signal Control:        Disable= d  Stop Bits:                 1  F Access:                Local           Local Switch:              Non= e9F Backwards Switch:       None           Name:                    PORT_= 8gF Break:              Disabled           Session Limit:                = 1rF Forwards Switch:        None           Type:                      Ans= ieF Default Protocol:        PPP           Default Menu:              Non= et   Dedicated Service: PPP   Authorized Groups:   0 (Current)  Groups:   0   Enabled Characteristics:F Autoconnect,  Dialup,  DSRlogout,  Failover,  Input Flow Control,  Lo= ck,r> Loss Notification,  Message Codes,  Output Flow Control,  PPP, VerificationF ----------------   end of output of "sho port 8"     ----------------= ---(    C   Of course, you should set port n ppp lcp enable, ppp ipcp enable.n@ You'd be better to set ppp lcp passive open disabled. If you areF planning to use multiple dial-in computers then you should set addres= smF negotiation enabled (define port n ppp ipcp address enabled), otherwi= seF you could set fixed address (define port n ppp ipcp host addr 1.2.3.4= )-F   Also you should set lcp characteristics (MRU, character map, variou= scE compressions) and ipcp compress header characteristics to be the same-3 on both dial-in computer and terminal server' port.s@   Of course, you should set ip address and net mask for terminalC server itself, and dial-in computer(s) should be in the same subnet # as the terminal server.  Good luck.b   --=20g   Valentin Likoumb   valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:33:56 -0300y1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> 4 Subject: RE: Silly Question, Remote Process priorityK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A333708@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>i   > ----------4 > From: 	SysAdmin[SMTP:djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson] > "Boyle, Darren" wrote:
 > >[snip] L > > My real question is, is there a way (other than editing the remote loginJ > > script) to raise my remote priority from my original host machine.  Is > itK > > even my priority or that of the FAL listener or FTP server.  This beingc > thesJ > > case I imagine it is controlled by the UAF flags of the FAL account ?. > H > I'd need to ask, what is the root problem that you're trying to solve? > J There is no problem, I was curious if my assumption was right, that's all.H It was just something my brain wandered into while I was doing something2 associated (It's hard to stop thinking sometimes).  E > When copying files over "the network" - ANY network - the transporthC > medium itself is enough of a bottleneck (in most cases) to rendere& > process priority almost irrelevant.  > H So my point being, If I have a high source and a high target priority itH will have almost no effect on the network or the read/write rates of theC appropriate disks, since there is no real logical link within theset processes.  True ??.  $ > Unless your system is swapping (orI > even paging heavily), I'd expect client/host performance considerationsuJ > to be largely secondary, if transer time seems to be a problem. I'd wantI > to look into your network I/O related parameters and the network itself-; > in some depth before taking a look at process priorities.H > 	 > IMHO...s > I Thanks,  All I really wanted was a confirmation, educated opinion in thise matter.    > David J. Dachterao >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyaL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingt of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudaeF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:28:29 -0300o1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>n4 Subject: RE: Silly Question, Remote Process priorityK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A333707@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>a  2 > From: 	Tim Shoppa[SMTP:shoppa@trailing-edge.com] > Boyle, Darren wrote: 	[SNIP]-  D > Would any priority change make any measurable difference at all onA > a network-resource-limited task like FTP'ing a file?  I supposeCI > the answer to this depends on your CPU and the speed of the connection,,D > but in my experience something as lowly as an old VS3100-38 (under> > 4 VUPS) can saturate several T1 connections as a FTP server. > C true, network throughput is a biggie, like I mentioned it's a silly L question, just one that nobody had ever asked me and one that popped into myI head at the time.  I like to ask these questions before they are asked ofoH me, sure I can waffle as good as the best man with a reasonably educated. response, just wanted to hear different views.  D > If your FTP transfers are being done in ASCII mode, you might lookE > at doing them in binary instead.  With both UCX and Multinet stackssA > I do notice a significant difference in CPU utilization between  > the two modes.   > H already in Binary mode.  I find it safer as far as output corruptibility goes.j  5 > This may have more to do with the RMS overhead than-G > with the work of changing newline convention to Unix standards on thelC > way out and back to VMS convention on the way back.  And at leastsC > some FTP server/client combinations are smart enough to negotiateaD > "STRU O VMS" which is probably better than either ASCII or binary.F > If your current FTP server/client is brain-dead (i.e. UCX) you ought' > to consider upgrading to MadGoat FTP.  > I Multinet, don't know how it matches up to the rest of the market, but I'df% buy it based on previous experiences.u  ? > Are there any VMS TCP/IP stacks which will prioritize packets E > based on the user process's priority?  This would be a neat featurea? > to have, but I doubt it exists in current products/standards.l > L this would be cool, as long as it was also privilege protected, I don't wantI anyone down-loading anything from a site or node or server that's big andeJ killing the network (no matter what their job title), sometimes privileges0 go with seniority, what a sorry state, but true. - Darren   > Tim. >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and-J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they-L are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingm of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudarF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:01:35 -0400 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> $ Subject: RE: speaking of performanceJ Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284550@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   David,  < The benchmark you are referrng to (Spec95) has been retired.  2 The replacement benchmark is called Spec CPU2000.   
 Reference:  http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/  L Information on recent Spec CPU2000 benchmark numbers for both Alpha EV67 and& PIII 1Ghz x86 systems can be found at:4 http://www.spec.org/osg/cpu2000/results/cpu2000.html  & Quick summary: (both are single cpu's)7                                    CINT2000    CFP2000 e4 Intel VC820 (1.0 GHz Pentium III)     410        2844 DS20E Model 6/667                     444        577  F Note the 1Ghz x86 systems are single CPU WS 32bit designs only at thisD point. The AlphaStation WS's can use one to four 64bit cpu configs.   
 Reference:/ http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/workstations/e   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant,
 Compaq Canadao Professional Servicesa Voice : 613-592-4660 FAX   : 819-772-7036 Email : kerry.main@compaq.comw       -----Original Message-----# From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduB& [mailto:mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu]% Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 12:58 PMu To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com   Subject: speaking of performance    K CPU clock speeds have been roaring upward - unless you happened to be usingbI an Alpha - in which case they have not changed at all recently. Here is ap5 comparison of SPEC numbers for a few current models: i  +   Model     Cint95         CFP95   CPU typeI0   DS10      24.6           47.9    466 Mhz 212640   XP1000    37.5           65.5    677 Mhz 21264/   AMD?      42.9           29.4    1 Ghz Athlon L   Dell 420  38.7           33.6    800 Mhz PIII (I couldn't find any numbers for faster PIII's.)7  J The Alphas are still holding their own in the floating point arena on "rawH power/CPU" measure.  Once you allow multiple machines into the equation,A the fp performance/$ figure (important when configuring Beowulfs)-9 is reasonably close between a Linux DS10 and an Athlon or F PentiumIII, but lower for an XP1000 than for either x86 architecture.   H However on the integer front things are not looking very good.  Even theK XP1000 now lags the high end x86 architecture machines (by a hair), and the J DS10 is completely out of the running, having been passed at 600Mhz by the# PIII and at 550 Mhz by the Athlon. o  G I wonder how long Compaq is going to let the Alpha stay stuck at these iL clock speeds before they bring out something faster?   I also wonder if any J of the current boxes will be upgradeable by a CPU swap, or if the upgrade E path will require whole new motherboards, or even be possible at all.I   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech r   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:33:14 GMTe- From: "Dave Pampreen" <davepampreen@home.com>m Subject: Users of MANMAN; Message-ID: <uz7d5.43030$fR2.391582@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com>w  J Just curious, any users of MANMAN which uses ORACLE CODASYL DBMS (formerly	 DEC-DBMS)    Dave ---------------n
 Dave Pampreeni GKN Automotive, Inc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:28:34 -0700e+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>  Subject: Re: Users of MANMAN' Message-ID: <39752062.A77C0CB@mmaz.com>h  " Yeap...  What can I help you with?   Barryt   Dave Pampreen wrote:  L > Just curious, any users of MANMAN which uses ORACLE CODASYL DBMS (formerly > DEC-DBMS)o >  > Dave > ---------------t > Dave Pampreend > GKN Automotive, Inc.   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOu  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:55:12 GMTn From: mickalide_j@my-deja.com  Subject: Re: Using CMS and NFS) Message-ID: <8l25lk$2gv$1@nnrp1.deja.com>.  B In article <04E02AB064E0D211B24E0008C79F6A0E8E95F8@mail.ngat.com>,#   Tony Wright <tpw@ngat.com> wrote:bF > I have sucessfully mapped a disk from a 433Au onto a ds10. The point ofG > this was to enable us to develop using one CMS library sitting on theoC > 433. Unfortunately when sittingat the DS10 and typing CMS SET LIB 2 > AUdisk:[wherethecmslibraryis] I get the messages >0? > %CMS-E-NOREF, error referencing audisk:[wherethecmslibraryis]jF > -CMS-E-NOTCMSLIB, audisk:[wherethecmslibraryis] is not a CMS libraryB > -RMS-E-COD, invalid or unsupported type field in XAB at 001AE8E4' > %CMS-W-UNDEFLIB, library is undefinedy >e, > (AUDISK is a logical that point at dnfs5:) >t$ > Is what I'm trying to do possible? >t >M        9 The fix for the XAB problem is in the CMS 4.0  ECO-1 kit.i     -Jim-r    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 02:38:19 +0930 / From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>t( Subject: VCC_MAXSIZE and 100 files total/ Message-ID: <39748F03.E48F3B45@wasd.vsm.com.au>n  D I've been following with interest the discussions on VMS file systemC performance and the possible tweaks in this forum over the past fewhE weeks and have made some modest SET RMS /SYSTEM changes and upped thesF VIO cache SYSGEN VCC_MAXSIZE parameter from it's default of 6400 (3MB) to  51200 (25MB).e  C I notice that the systems seem to stop caching files when the countsB reaches 100 ($ SHOW MEMORY/CACHE/FULL) regardless of the amount of? free cache memory available.  Is this a fixed limit or is thereNF something else I can adjust to increase the total number cached files?   As always, TIA.l  E +-------------------------------------------------------------------+0D  Mark Daniel            Opinions my own ... and on loan from others.E  mailto:Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au (Mark.Daniel@dsto.defence.gov.au)8E +-------------------------------------------------------------------+b   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:40:01 GMTi2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>% Subject: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?	3 Message-ID: <5w1d5.71$%e1.2166@typhoon.aracnet.com>a  K OK, this is a stupid question...  Does OpenVMS have the equivalent of links L in UNIX?  To the best of my knowledge it doesn't, but I figured I'd ask.  InJ this case logicals aren't the answer since I want the file to show up in a couple spots in the filesystem.e  8 Not a real problem, I'm just wondering if it's possible.   		  Zane   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:53:16 GMTa- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>a) Subject: Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?h( Message-ID: <3974A795.350504AB@ohio.edu>   $ HELP SET FILE/ENTERi   				RDPu     "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > M > OK, this is a stupid question...  Does OpenVMS have the equivalent of linkskN > in UNIX?  To the best of my knowledge it doesn't, but I figured I'd ask.  InL > this case logicals aren't the answer since I want the file to show up in a! > couple spots in the filesystem.9 > : > Not a real problem, I'm just wondering if it's possible. >  >                   Zane   --  B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:14:34 -0400 . From: "Bender, Jim E." <jim.e.bender@wawa.com>) Subject: RE: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?iN Message-ID: <1966635A0216D2119690AA0004001C050258B6AE@exchangecorp01.wawa.com>   You will want to take a look at.   HELP SET FILE /ENTER  - That will do what you want with some caveats.a   Jimi     > -----Original Message-----9 > From: Zane H. Healy [mailto:healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com] & > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 2:40 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms' > Subject: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?t >  > : > OK, this is a stupid question...  Does OpenVMS have the  > equivalent of linksn: > in UNIX?  To the best of my knowledge it doesn't, but I  > figured I'd ask.  In@ > this case logicals aren't the answer since I want the file to  > show up in a! > couple spots in the filesystem.o > : > Not a real problem, I'm just wondering if it's possible. > 
 > 		  Zane >  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:52:01 -0300 (EST)  From: becherini@vortex.ufrgs.brk) Subject: Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?s, Message-ID: <00071816520178@vortex.ufrgs.br>  : Received:	by vortex.ufrgs.br (V5.0A-1, OpenVMS V7.2 Alpha)+ From:		Fabio Becherini <becherini@ufrgs.br>  Reply-to:	<becherini@ufrgs.br>< Comments:	@vortex.ufrgs.br, vortex(46.451)::, psi%........::2 References:	BR, TCHE, UFRGS, CPD network, Cia-INFO- Organization:	Cia-INFO /DRS /CPD-UFRGS /UFRGS O _______________________________________________________________________________   4 . From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>' . Subject: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'? % . Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:40:01 GMTt . To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  . M . OK, this is a stupid question...  Does OpenVMS have the equivalent of linksdN . in UNIX?  To the best of my knowledge it doesn't, but I figured I'd ask.  InL . this case logicals aren't the answer since I want the file to show up in a! . couple spots in the filesystem.  . : . Not a real problem, I'm just wondering if it's possible. . 
 . 		  Zane     	yes, there is, the command is   		set file /enterz   			and   		set fil /removep  8 	do a "help set file /enter" and "help set file /remove"  	 	regards,i  N  _____________________________________________________________________________O |                                                                             | O | Fabio Becherini                   System & Network Manager, Webmaster UFRGS |aO | CPD-UFRGS                         Centro de Processamento de Dados da UFRGS |yO |                                   Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Sul |mO |                                                   Divisao de Rede e Suporte | O |                                          (55)(51) 316-5041 / 331-1215 (fax) |uO | Rua Ramiro Barcelos, 2574  -  Santa Cecilia  -  Porto Alegre - RS -  Brasil |nO |_____________________________________________________________________________|aO |                                                                             |oO | Cia-INFO (c) Ophicin@ das Informacoes                   Coordenacao Central | O |_____________________________________________________________________________|kO |                                                                             |3O | INTERnet:  fabio.becherini@ufrgs.br              DECnet:  vortex::becherini |yO |_____________________________________________________________________________|3   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Jul 2000 21:06:38 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)) Subject: Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?,6 Message-ID: <8l2gsu$60f$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  h In article <5w1d5.71$%e1.2166@typhoon.aracnet.com>, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes:L :OK, this is a stupid question...  Does OpenVMS have the equivalent of linksM :in UNIX?  To the best of my knowledge it doesn't, but I figured I'd ask.  InwK :this case logicals aren't the answer since I want the file to show up in a,  :couple spots in the filesystem.  A   Trying to twist expectations can be a tricky business.  Best toiA   describe the problem, and ask for potential solutions -- and itmE   is often good practice to describe what you want to do in addition  C   to mentioning a particular tool or command from another platform, A   rather than simply depending on somebody to recognize the tool.   A   Others have mentioned the SET FILE/ENTER (and /REMOVE) command,vB   but realize that this is limited to the same disk volume.  This B   tool is most closely related to a UNIX hard link.  There is someA   other work going on that may well provide more UNIX-like links nG   within the file system, but any expected release of this new support o?   is still a while out (probably after V7.3, for most folks)...   A   There is no direct analog of a soft link, the closest being theo   logical name.s  B   An alternative approach is to use a searchlist logical name, andA   have the tools look for (and find) the same file using a singlenC   path that looks in multiple places.  This mechanism works across *G   multiple disks, and it is used for accessing the files on an OpenVMS d<   Cluster common system disk, among various other consumers.  A   I would STRONGLY encourage you to learn about logical names, ashE   you may find that this mechanism is rather different than the UNIX tA   environment variable, and has some unique capabilities.  One ofdD   my favorites is the default file name mechanism -- a very powerfulB   technique, particularly when combined with logical names.  (MostA   every OpenVMS file system API provides both a filename argumentmC   and a default name argument.  Some also provide a tertiary name, *A   for those folks that want to implement parameter "stickiness".)1  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:08:25 -0500r7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>o) Subject: Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'? - Message-ID: <3974FF89.DF1FC63A@earthlink.net>t   "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > # > OK, this is a stupid question... n  
 No, it isn't.d  + > Does OpenVMS have the equivalent of linkseN > in UNIX?  To the best of my knowledge it doesn't, but I figured I'd ask.  InL > this case logicals aren't the answer since I want the file to show up in a! > couple spots in the filesystem.u  @ Well, you must first understand that unlike UN*X, VMS deals with= physically separate disk volumes, while UN*X views the entire B "filesystem" as a single resource, regardless of how many physical volumes actually comprise it.n  D As Hoff already explained, you may not really want to do what you're
 proposing.  S: > Not a real problem, I'm just wondering if it's possible.  D Well, it is and it isn't. As Hoff explained, you can use what othersG have suggested (SET FILE/ENTER) within physical volumes, but not acrossrH them. Also, unlike UN*X, there is no (convenient, easy, efficient, etc.)F way to locate a file and all of its "aliases". You can tell (even fromF DCL) whether a directory entry is an alias entry or a real file entry.E However, there is no (convenient, easy, efficient, etc.) way to tracee1 down all of the alias entries for any given file.S  C So, before you go creating bogus directory entries all over "hell'sy= half-acre", be sure you've exhausted all of the alternatives.t  > One of those is a type of logical name called a "search list":  ; $ DEFINE MY_PATH DKA0:[MYDIR],DKA100:[MYDIR],DKA200:[MYDIR]t  D Using that logical name, I can put a {command procedure, program} inD [MYDIR] on either DKA0:, DKA100: or DKA200:. No matter which disk itE lives on, I can still find it by referencing it as MY_PATH:my_proc orr MY_PATH:my_prog.  9 Another way to specify the same thing would be like this:e  & $ DEFINE MY_DISK DKA0:,DKA100:,DKA200:  $ DEFINE MY_PATH MY_DISK:[MYDIR]  0 The method is different, but the result is same.  C ...and that's just one example. There's _LOTS_ more you can do withw logical names.   -- t David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems* http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/c   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 03:16:08 GMTr2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>) Subject: Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?e3 Message-ID: <Y39d5.92$%e1.2454@typhoon.aracnet.com>o  L My thanks to all who answered!  Basically I just wanted a file to show up inK two different directories, and "SET FILE/ENTER" seems to do that just fine.n  L However, I am convinced I need to spend more time studying up on logicals, I. like the looks of that technique David showed!   			Zane    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:35:30 -0300r1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>: Subject: RE: VMS fortunes?K Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A333709@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>   	 Jonathan,h  ( 	I would be interested in the .HLP file. Thanks,i Darren   > ----------4 > From: 	Jonathan Boswell[SMTP:jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov]( > Sent: 	Tuesday, July 18, 2000 12:18 PM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: 	Re: VMS fortunes?7 >  > Dan wrote:G > > Do I have to cobble my own together or is there something out there0 > > (maybe a stupid question)? > L > There was a remarkably small completely self-contained VAX executable that > did1I > this, but after a few calls it started repeating.  Therefore, many many  > years G > ago, I took a text database from MIT and massaged it into a HELP texta > library. .I > Then I wrote a DCL procedure that used the random number generator from:	 > the VMSwL > FAQ and voila: instant fortune.  My database currently contains 500 famousK > quotes, clever maxims, silly fortunes, and quite a few offensive remarks.  > Let-; > me know if you are interested and I'll make it available.s >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and.J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyeL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying  of this message is prohibited.   Bank of Bermuda2F **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:30:02 -0400l. From: "Steven Shamlian" <not.an@earthling.net> Subject: Re: VMS fortunes?2 Message-ID: <8l2pd1$rsg$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>  + I'm interested!  Let us know where to look.g =+=Steve=+=s  : "Jonathan Boswell" <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov> wrote in message* news:39747562.AF95ACD8@ost.cdrh.fda.gov... > Dan wrote:G > > Do I have to cobble my own together or is there something out therey > > (maybe a stupid question)? >hL > There was a remarkably small completely self-contained VAX executable that didoI > this, but after a few calls it started repeating.  Therefore, many manyt yearsoG > ago, I took a text database from MIT and massaged it into a HELP textt library.I > Then I wrote a DCL procedure that used the random number generator from  the VMSrL > FAQ and voila: instant fortune.  My database currently contains 500 famousK > quotes, clever maxims, silly fortunes, and quite a few offensive remarks.i Leth; > me know if you are interested and I'll make it available.s   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Jul 2000 23:52:12 GMT& From: Ellis E Hardin <eeh01@gnofn.org> Subject: Re: VMS fortunes?, Message-ID: <8l2qjc$1hht$1@junkie.gnofn.org>   !Ellis E Hardin wrote:K !>         At my university we used to have a similar program.  But someone L !> messed it up somehow, so that it always produced the same message.  But IJ !> liked it so much that I programmed my own version of the program.  OnlyK !> thing is that it is in the Ada programming language (Ada83 to be exact).zD !> So unless you have access to a DEC Ada compiler also, you're SOL.K !>         But, I think I saw a version of that Fortune program on some VAXtJ !> freeware site once (not WKU's site).  I'll look around for the freewareK !> version.  If you do have access to an Ada compiler on the machine you're ; !> using, send me some email, and we'll work something out.a  $ Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> replied:E !What's wrong with the binary? any vax will run any other vax binary.-6 !any alpha will run a vax binary that has been VESTed.I !I don't know if you can go from alpha to vax, but someone out there willg !probably enlighten us..  E The university is literally hours away from shutting down our VAX fortJ good, and they have already taken it off the network, and disconnected the? modems.  So, all I have available right now is the source code.e   -- d# -- Ellis Hardin,  <eeh01@gnofn.org>o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:11:31 -0400 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: VMS fortunes?> Message-ID: <hshubs-9D1435.20113118072000@news.mindspring.com>  < In article <8l2qjc$1hht$1@junkie.gnofn.org>, Ellis E Hardin  <eeh01@gnofn.org> wrote:  F >The university is literally hours away from shutting down our VAX forK >good, and they have already taken it off the network, and disconnected theg@ >modems.  So, all I have available right now is the source code.  ? So take the VAX away from them, unless they have a better idea./   -- j Howard S Shubs, the Denim Adept-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:11:19 +1200a9 From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz>I! Subject: Web browser and VMS mail 3 Message-ID: <OJ3d5.38491$N4.1489483@ozemail.com.au>l  ; Has anyone tried reading their vms mail from a web browser?a  @ I was at a CMQ talk the other day and they kept on talking aboutA web enabling everything, so I was wondering if there was a way ofI= reading your email via a browser (like hot mail for example.)(  C I am guessing that there would be a tcp/ip daemon or something likei that, running on ucx.s  - Got my copy of vms for dummies. Worth a read.s     Antony   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Jul 2000 21:43:36 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)% Subject: Re: Web browser and VMS mailT6 Message-ID: <8l2j28$6pr$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  o In article <OJ3d5.38491$N4.1489483@ozemail.com.au>, "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz> writes:a< :Has anyone tried reading their vms mail from a web browser?     Ayup.-   :I was at a CMQ...     CMQ?  Compaq?-  bC :              ...talk the other day and they kept on talking about B :web enabling everything, so I was wondering if there was a way of> :reading your email via a browser (like hot mail for example.)  H   Rather simple to implement this via DCL CGI or otherwise, but probablyI   not a UI that I would (personally) choose.  I'm not a fan of using httpuF   for interactive stuff, the interface and the tools are targeted for D   point-and-grunt with minimum user input, and a whole lot of stuff J   around it (Javascript, Java, or J-random virus implementation language) F   is required to add back in the interactive and UI capabilities of a @   local tool accessing the mail via POP3, IMAP, or similar, etc.  I   The http user (input) interface has always reminded me of the IBM 3270,/E   and of the VT131 and VT220Z block mode terminals, as these all havepG   some similar advantages and disadvantages for the users and managers.o  G   All of this stuff is at the core of the thin vs thick client and the sF   smart vs dumb client and the CLI vs GUI debates -- when the dust allJ   settles out, just remember to acquire and use what works for your needs.H   Do not forget the end-user needs in the excitement and rush to new(er)I   technologies: I've seen more than a few horrendous UI designs over the  F   years -- many being based on the then-latest and greatest (and oftenK   more complex) widget -- and designs that replaced a simple and effective  J   existing design at great cost and pain.  (But once in a while, somebody J   replaces a complex and festering UI with a simple and useful UI design.)  . :Got my copy of vms for dummies. Worth a read.  F   Cool.  There are a variety of OpenVMS books available and also underG   development.   Shameless plug: the Writing Real Programs in DCL book  D   has a chapter on writing DCL CGI.  (If I haven't talked you out of    trying this UI, of course. :-)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:09:25 -0700k7 From: David D Miller <ddmiller@notes.west.raytheon.com>u% Subject: Re: Web browser and VMS mailsF Message-ID: <OF8401092E.D41CC85F-ON07256920.007972DF@rsc.raytheon.com>   Antony:o  J Seems to me a CGI for Jones' OSU Web Server would be just the ticket.  Has anyone written one?  I'd be interested, too.-   dave.-          ; Has anyone tried reading their vms mail from a web browser?n  @ I was at a CMQ talk the other day and they kept on talking aboutA web enabling everything, so I was wondering if there was a way ofg= reading your email via a browser (like hot mail for example.)h  C I am guessing that there would be a tcp/ip daemon or something likeg that, running on ucx.   - Got my copy of vms for dummies. Worth a read.n     Antony   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:40:51 +1200_9 From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz> % Subject: Re: Web browser and VMS maill3 Message-ID: <bO6d5.38556$N4.1492338@ozemail.com.au>'  ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message.0 news:8l2j28$6pr$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... >eE > In article <OJ3d5.38491$N4.1489483@ozemail.com.au>, "Antony Wardle"e+ <antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz> writes: > > :Has anyone tried reading their vms mail from a web browser? >u	 >   Ayup.o >e > :I was at a CMQ... >  >   CMQ?  Compaq?p    D I wanted a tla for compaq like DEC. I thought that CMQ was the stock exchangeG code, but I just checked and I couldn't find it. I couldn't find Compaq  either.e    J >   Rather simple to implement this via DCL CGI or otherwise, but probablyK >   not a UI that I would (personally) choose.  I'm not a fan of using http G >   for interactive stuff, the interface and the tools are targeted foreE >   point-and-grunt with minimum user input, and a whole lot of stuff K >   around it (Javascript, Java, or J-random virus implementation language) G >   is required to add back in the interactive and UI capabilities of aeB >   local tool accessing the mail via POP3, IMAP, or similar, etc. >     I I wasn't after a way of replacing pop3, but more for enabling a person to0 check their L email from a cybercafe, when overseas on holiday, rather than having to dial in.a      H >   Cool.  There are a variety of OpenVMS books available and also underH >   development.   Shameless plug: the Writing Real Programs in DCL bookF >   has a chapter on writing DCL CGI.  (If I haven't talked you out of" >   trying this UI, of course. :-) >_, >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion --------------------------- 1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering  hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >b   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:01:26 -0400_- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>_% Subject: Re: Web browser and VMS mail-, Message-ID: <3974FDDB.ED4A446A@videotron.ca>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:lK >   The http user (input) interface has always reminded me of the IBM 3270, G >   and of the VT131 and VT220Z block mode terminals, as these all havedI >   some similar advantages and disadvantages for the users and managers..  J Not only IBM 3270, but also CICS.  CICS is a "detached" transaction in theM sense that while the user is inputting something, there is no program waitingIL for the response at the mainframe, and it is only once you press return thatH CICS starts the transaction and builds the context of the "session" (theH latter being the biggest problem with HTTP since you have to rebuild the+ context manually insude your application). t  H >   development.   Shameless plug: the Writing Real Programs in DCL bookF >   has a chapter on writing DCL CGI.  (If I haven't talked you out of" >   trying this UI, of course. :-)    G There is a freeware package that allows VMSmail access from the OSU webcI server. However, the name escapes me at the moment. Oh, yeah, it has come  back. It is called Yahmail.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:15:58 +0930 / From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> % Subject: Re: Web browser and VMS mails/ Message-ID: <3974FA46.6EB4B09F@wasd.vsm.com.au>a  . Have a look at yahMAIL from the download page: http://wasd.vsm.com.au/wasd/   Antony Wardle wrote:  = > Has anyone tried reading their vms mail from a web browser?t >gB > I was at a CMQ talk the other day and they kept on talking aboutC > web enabling everything, so I was wondering if there was a way of ? > reading your email via a browser (like hot mail for example.)e >lE > I am guessing that there would be a tcp/ip daemon or something likeo > that, running on ucx.O >Y/ > Got my copy of vms for dummies. Worth a read.  >o > Antony   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:50:48 GMTa- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>o+ Subject: Wish List:  I/O vs. CPU Prioritiese( Message-ID: <3974A701.53431A05@ohio.edu>  G The recent exchange "Silly Question, Remote Process Priority" brings ups the following issue:  D It appears to me that VMS provides no ready mechanism for the systemC manager to control allocation of I/O resources if the system is NOTtG CPU-bound.  (If it is CPU-bound, then the conventional CPU priority can-G be raised or lowered, thereby as a side-effect increasing or decreasingn. the rate at which I/O requests are generated.)  G I was recently confronted with a situation where a low priority job was D saturating the disk subsystem, preventing a higher priority job fromC completing in a timely fashion.  Aside from the "big hammer" of SETn9 PROCESS/SUSPEND/ID=, what other mechanisms are available?n  G If no others are available, perhaps this ought to find its way into theI V7.4 wish list.   H If there is something there that I have overlooked, please enlighten me.1  If not, what sort of mechanisms seem reasonable?n   				RDP    -- iB ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jul 2000 17:25:48 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) / Subject: Re: Wish List:  I/O vs. CPU Prioritiesc+ Message-ID: <iR3hqoZNE2i7@eisner.decus.org>E  X In article <3974A701.53431A05@ohio.edu>, "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> writes: > I > The recent exchange "Silly Question, Remote Process Priority" brings upu > the following issue: > F > It appears to me that VMS provides no ready mechanism for the systemE > manager to control allocation of I/O resources if the system is NOTaI > CPU-bound.  (If it is CPU-bound, then the conventional CPU priority canbI > be raised or lowered, thereby as a side-effect increasing or decreasingt0 > the rate at which I/O requests are generated.) > I > I was recently confronted with a situation where a low priority job wasKF > saturating the disk subsystem, preventing a higher priority job fromE > completing in a timely fashion.  Aside from the "big hammer" of SET0; > PROCESS/SUSPEND/ID=, what other mechanisms are available?r  A As I recall, process priority affect placement of I/O requests in 7 the VMS IO queues.  This is great for dumb controllers.E  A If your disk controller is accepting lots of requests and storinghA them internally, the VMS process priority will not have an effectt on that internal queueing.  D If you have controls over your smart controller, reducing the numberB of requests it will buffer could help the high priority jobs. I doA not recall whether there is an accessible mechanism to reduce the 3 number of requests VMS will give to the controller.0  D It should be straightforward to write monitoring software to use the) IOPERFORM hooks to analyze the situation.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:15:06 -0500a7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>w/ Subject: Re: Wish List:  I/O vs. CPU Prioritiesm, Message-ID: <3975011A.EC2A4C9@earthlink.net>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > Z > In article <3974A701.53431A05@ohio.edu>, "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> writes: > >-K > > The recent exchange "Silly Question, Remote Process Priority" brings upy > > the following issue: > >uH > > It appears to me that VMS provides no ready mechanism for the systemG > > manager to control allocation of I/O resources if the system is NOTeK > > CPU-bound.  (If it is CPU-bound, then the conventional CPU priority can K > > be raised or lowered, thereby as a side-effect increasing or decreasing 2 > > the rate at which I/O requests are generated.) > >sK > > I was recently confronted with a situation where a low priority job waseH > > saturating the disk subsystem, preventing a higher priority job fromG > > completing in a timely fashion.  Aside from the "big hammer" of SET = > > PROCESS/SUSPEND/ID=, what other mechanisms are available?n > C > As I recall, process priority affect placement of I/O requests in 9 > the VMS IO queues.  This is great for dumb controllers.t > C > If your disk controller is accepting lots of requests and storingiC > them internally, the VMS process priority will not have an effect  > on that internal queueing. > F > If you have controls over your smart controller, reducing the numberD > of requests it will buffer could help the high priority jobs. I doC > not recall whether there is an accessible mechanism to reduce thet5 > number of requests VMS will give to the controller.e > F > It should be straightforward to write monitoring software to use the+ > IOPERFORM hooks to analyze the situation.n  @ Actually, what Richard mentioned remains the bane of the OpenVMSA SysAdmin's job: you can impact the CPU scheduler, but there is noaG accessible mechanism to prioritize the I/O traffic at the level he (andr$ others in his predicament) requires.  H By adjusting process priorities you can, to a limited degree, adjust theC number of I/O requests a process can enque for any given time span.-@ However, once enqueued, they all seem to have (roughly) the same	 priority.a   -- l David J. DachteraR dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Jul 2000 23:41:58 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)/ Subject: Re: Wish List:  I/O vs. CPU Prioritiesr+ Message-ID: <epfJDom59N1G@eisner.decus.org>u  f In article <3975011A.EC2A4C9@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:   > B > Actually, what Richard mentioned remains the bane of the OpenVMSC > SysAdmin's job: you can impact the CPU scheduler, but there is notI > accessible mechanism to prioritize the I/O traffic at the level he (andg& > others in his predicament) requires. > J > By adjusting process priorities you can, to a limited degree, adjust theE > number of I/O requests a process can enque for any given time span.eB > However, once enqueued, they all seem to have (roughly) the same > priority.- >    David,  7 	Can you or someone point out a concrete example of hown6 	this feature exists in another OS?  I'm interested in9 	trying to understand this but don't quite "get it", yet.   
 			Thanks,   				Robu   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:03:46 -0400 (EDT)  From: fredgb@home.come Subject: WORK AT HOMEk- Message-ID: <0FXX00CUQFA9TZ@mx.east.saic.com>o   --=200007182352=) Content-Type: text/plain;charset=US-ASCIIm    $ DON'T MISS THIS AWESOME OPPORTUNITY.  0 mailto:fredgb@home.COM?subject=SEND_INFORMATION    --=200007182352=--   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:40:17 -0400 (EDT)i From: fredgb@home.com) Subject: WORK AT HOME - Message-ID: <0FXX00CBBGZ5W3@mx.east.saic.com>s   --=200007190030=) Content-Type: text/plain;charset=US-ASCIIo    $ DON'T MISS THIS AWESOME OPPORTUNITY.  0 mailto:fredgb@home.COM?subject=SEND_INFORMATION    --=200007190030=--   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 02:31:27 +0930 / From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>m! Subject: Re: YAHMAIL/WASD probleme/ Message-ID: <39748D67.DCFA68E6@wasd.vsm.com.au>y  : This probably requires a fairly detailed look at your WASDD authentication setup.  If you haven't solved it yourself by now drop> me a line at  mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au  and we'll pursue it further.   samalsson@my-deja.com wrote:   > Hi VMS folks >-2 > I have just installed the YAHMAIL web based mail+ > program on my Jensen with VMS V7.2. I user > Netscape to try it out.f >u( > http://195.54.80.147/cgi-bin/yahmail/~ >02 > I got prompted for username and password which I- > supplied. But I get the following response:n >g3 > ERROR 404  -  The requested resource could not ber > found.. > File not found  ...  authentication database	 > problemf, > (document, bookmark, or reference requires > revision)a >a1 > Additional information:  1xx,  2xx,  3xx,  4xx,h > 5xx,  Help >h4 > --------------------------------------------------  > ------------------------------ >-. > WASD/7.0.0 Server at ratex.unicom.dk Port 80 >1, > Could anyone of you tell me where to start > digging ?m >c > Thanks > SamW >b( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.m  E +-------------------------------------------------------------------+rD  Mark Daniel            Opinions my own ... and on loan from others.E  mailto:Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au (Mark.Daniel@dsto.defence.gov.au)eE +-------------------------------------------------------------------+e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:12:20 +0200 $ From: "hhwill" <hhwill@global.co.za>? Subject: Re: [Q] What SCSI tapes drives does VMS 5.5-2 support?-- Message-ID: <8l2hhn$avg$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net>a  H The HP C1536 4mm DAT and WangDAT 1300XL work well with this VMS version. Stabackit is bootable as well.   Hansell Williams Jhb, South Africae  G Alan.J.Thackray wrote in message <3972b08e.537052@news.logica.co.uk>...n9 >I have certainly used a 4mm DAT tape on Vax/VMS 5.5-2. I 2 >can't tell you the model number though. Since theA >console can see the device, it was probably bootable, although IrD >never tried that. Try borrowing a DAT drive and connecting it up. I1 >believe these devices are pretty well supported.m > 5 >Does anyone out there know of any which don't work ?s >l> >On 14 Jul 2000 12:45:17 PDT, Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken5 >Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) wrote:  >uJ >>        We have an old VAXstation 3100/38 running VMS 5.5-2 (I think, itJ >>    is definitely some  variation  of  V5.5).   It  is  running a customJ >>    application  for which uses a Kinetic Systems SCSI-CAMAC  controllerJ >>    with the vendor-supplied SCSI device driver.  Because the author  ofJ >>    the  application  has retired, and because it is not clear what workJ >>    would need to be done to get  the device driver running under a moreJ >>    recent  version  of  VMS  (let alone, Alpha/VMS),  we're  not  in  a" >>    position to upgrade the O/S. >>J >>        Amazingly enough, this stand-alone system which runs pretty muchJ >>    7x24 and mostly unattended, has _no_ removable storage!  In order toJ >>    capture a snapshot of its two disks,  I  had to add it to my clusterB >>    last summer and do backups to my disks (and thence to tape). >>J >>        Therfore, I'd like  recommendations  for  a  tape drive for thisJ >>    system.   The  requirements are that VMS 5.5 support the  drive  andC >>    that I can build (and boot and run!) STABACKIT on that drive.i >>J >>        My first thought was an 8mm  drive, which would probably need toJ >>    be  an older 8200 variety.  But I can't recall whether STABACKIT canJ >>    be built on 8mm drives.  And personally, I  don't  like  8mm  drives >>    much at all... >>J >>        Thinking about it, I'd probably prefer  something like a TZ86 orJ >>    TZ87.   Does VMS 5.5 support these drives, and can I get them  (usedJ >>    equipment  certainly)  in  table-top  enclosures?   What  about  4mm
 >>    drives?- >> >>        Thanks, Ken- >>--/ >> Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet:  Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edul< >> SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924< >> Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515L >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----D >> These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's... >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.400 ************************