1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 19 Jul 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 401       Contents:4 ??== Detecting arrival of a new file in a directory.8 Re: ??== Detecting arrival of a new file in a directory.8 Re: ??== Detecting arrival of a new file in a directory.8 Re: ??== Detecting arrival of a new file in a directory. Re: Alpha PWS500a(u) Re: Alpha PWS500a(u)% Re: Connecting modem to DECserver 300  DEC 3000 firmware question Re: Decwrite: where to get? ' Re: does anyone remember mr.rabinowicz? # does anyone remember mr.rabinowicz?  DS10 IDE vs U2W SCSI Re: DTR Syntax0 Free VAXstations, Rainbows, DEC Pro's in DC area> Fun with SET FILE/ENTER (was Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?)! Re: How to Reset a DECServer 90L+ ! Re: How to Reset a DECServer 90L+ ! Re: How to Reset a DECServer 90L+ ! Re: How to Reset a DECServer 90L+ D RE: I/O caching and UNIX evaluations (was: Re: got to remember ..	.)' Importing a VMS 5.5-2 sysuaf.dat to 7.2 ' Importing a VMS 5.5-2 sysuaf.dat to 7.2 + Re: Importing a VMS 5.5-2 sysuaf.dat to 7.2 , Importing sysuaf.lis to Echange - SAM - FILE. Re: Keyboard/Video/Mouse switch for Alpha & PC. Re: Keyboard/Video/Mouse switch for Alpha & PC. Re: Keyboard/Video/Mouse switch for Alpha & PC. Re: Keyboard/Video/Mouse switch for Alpha & PC. Re: Keyboard/Video/Mouse switch for Alpha & PC. Re: Limit a UIC group access to a number of 50/ native VMS mail reader that can understand MIME 3 Re: native VMS mail reader that can understand MIME 3 Re: native VMS mail reader that can understand MIME 3 Re: native VMS mail reader that can understand MIME * Re: Pathworks v6.0B and its administration* Re: Pathworks v6.0B and its administration7 Problem re-joining Digital (Compaq) Patch Mailing Lists F Re: Problem with autogen during post installation process on alpha kitF Re: Problem with autogen during post installation process on alpha kitF Re: Problem with autogen during post installation process on alpha kit Re: speaking of performance * Re: SQL+ODBC options, inexpensive or free?& RE: The URL that Compaq forgot to send& Re: The URL that Compaq forgot to send TimeZone information Re: Unable to see UCX proxy  Re: Users of MANMAN  RE: Users of MANMAN # Re: VCC_MAXSIZE and 100 files total + VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Character / Re: VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Character / Re: VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Character / Re: VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Character / Re: VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Character / Re: VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Character / Re: VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Character   Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?  Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?  Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?  Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?  Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?  Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'? Re: VMS fortunes?  Re: VMS fortunes?  VMS hackers challenge  Wanted: Spare mVAX 3100-80/ We need your KZPAC-Cx RAID Controllers Urgently  Re: Web browser and VMS mail Re: Web browser and VMS mail& Re: Wish List:  I/O vs. CPU Priorities& Re: Wish List:  I/O vs. CPU Priorities Your Home Business Oppty  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:18:37 +0100 , From: aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus)= Subject: ??== Detecting arrival of a new file in a directory. D Message-ID: <aus-1907001618370001@wvia69.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>   In OpenVMS 7.2:   J 1) Is there a low overhead method to detect the arrival of a new file in a3 directory? The file is sent from a PC(-FTP) client.   E 2) Is there a method to notify the PC(-FTP) client that a new file is  ready for transfer to the PC?    --  B Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:16:36 GMT  From: byatesiii@my-deja.com A Subject: Re: ??== Detecting arrival of a new file in a directory. ) Message-ID: <8l4go1$pc3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   D In article <aus-1907001618370001@wvia69.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>,/   aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus) wrote:  > In OpenVMS 7.2:  > G > 1) Is there a low overhead method to detect the arrival of a new file  in a5 > directory? The file is sent from a PC(-FTP) client.  > G > 2) Is there a method to notify the PC(-FTP) client that a new file is  > ready for transfer to the PC?  >  > --D > Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de > - I posted this earlier, but here goes (again): E  For #1, simply have the login.com of the FTP account, in the network E section, execute code that gets passed the process-id of the process. G It can wait for the process to disappear and look for files dated since E the signon, or even show the process channels to see what gets opened " (the last not being low overhead).C But this way, you don't have a constantly (or periodically) running D process just to check for new files. When do you get new files? When the remote-ftp logs in... G  For #2, since your pc probably doesn't have a static IP, it would have A to login occasionally and check. If it does have a static IP, the 1 system could ftp a file to it that tells it so...     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 15:37:40 GMT0 From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)A Subject: Re: ??== Detecting arrival of a new file in a directory. 5 Message-ID: <8l4i04$j8b$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>   D In article <aus-1907001618370001@wvia69.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>,- Hans M. Aus <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> wrote:  : In OpenVMS 7.2:  : L : 1) Is there a low overhead method to detect the arrival of a new file in a5 : directory? The file is sent from a PC(-FTP) client.  : G : 2) Is there a method to notify the PC(-FTP) client that a new file is  : ready for transfer to the PC?  : G Hi Hans.  If you can use Kermit instead of FTP, read about "atomic file  movement" here:   ,   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/case10.html   - Frank    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:22:46 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> A Subject: Re: ??== Detecting arrival of a new file in a directory. , Message-ID: <3975E3E0.605651BD@videotron.ca>  N > : 1) Is there a low overhead method to detect the arrival of a new file in a7 > : directory? The file is sent from a PC(-FTP) client.   E I had dealt with this problem (a long time ago) in the following way:   G when user logs in, a small program is run to send a message to a server J process. Server process has a queue of such requests, and also maintains aL list of currently logged-in users. If a request come arrives and the user isH logged in, then the request is re-queued (with a timer for a few minutesM later). When a request arrives (either due to a timer or new transaction) and N the user is not logged in, then the server process then processes the files in that user's directory.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:15:40 -0400 % From: "Islandco" <sales@islandco.com>  Subject: Re: Alpha PWS500a(u) . Message-ID: <snb9u26u1nk73@corp.supernews.com>  I When I posted this auction I was required to put in a price as a starting  bid   G If one enters, say $900 - then people don't want to even make an offer.   H The fact that there is a reserve price irritates many people as they are) unaware of  the real value of the product   J Ergo - tell people how much for a system - then they can either take it or leave it  B I hate games - but this Ebay deal is the best form of advetising - especially for $2.00   David    -- Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory Street 	 Suite 150  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0096  sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com          = Robert Deininger <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in message F news:rdeininger-1407002302450001@user-2ivebgl.dialup.mindspring.com...D > In article <smvem3qgnd6104@corp.supernews.com>, "Island Computers" <sales@islandco.com> wrote:  > " > > Get em whilst they're hot !!!! > >  > > Ebay Item# > > E > >  http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=382645921  > >  >  > David, > G >   Maybe I'm just slow this evening, but if the price is firm at $1495 H > each, why bother to put them in an auction?  And why start the bidding > at $1? >  > -- > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2000 11:52:08 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Alpha PWS500a(u) + Message-ID: <TRiB+pbUfLnF@eisner.decus.org>   V In article <snb9u26u1nk73@corp.supernews.com>, "Islandco" <sales@islandco.com> writes:K > When I posted this auction I was required to put in a price as a starting  > bid  > I > If one enters, say $900 - then people don't want to even make an offer.    That is strange.C I would, if it were something for which I were willing to pay $900.   D > I hate games - but this Ebay deal is the best form of advetising - > especially for $2.00  A Yes, it certainly is helpful.  I have recently bought a (non-VMS) A piece of hardware and a (non-VMS) piece of software there neither ? of which are manufactured anymore.  I needed the specific items @ offered, and eBay proved a great way to bring buyers and sellers	 together.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:56:42 -0700 ? From: Mike Price <mike.priceNOmiSPAM@littlewoods.co.uk.invalid> . Subject: Re: Connecting modem to DECserver 3009 Message-ID: <0ab23431.5e565f5d@usw-ex0105-034.remarq.com>   ? We have a Decserver300 set up for modem access and the security ? problem mentioned above is definatly a problem. However we have = got around it by setting the DSRLOGOUT parameter on the port. = Then when the modem hangs up and it drops the DSR signal then > the server automatically logs the port out. You need to ensure- that your modem acts like this - all ours do. ; Since we set this up we havn't had any problems with people 0 getting in as other people using an old session.  > As far as cables are concerned I have successfully used a BN16; type office cable and an MMJ to RS232 adapter (the straight 9 through type not the crossover one such as the H8575 one) < unfortunatly the only one we have is buried under a spagetti< heap of other cables so I can't see the ref. number - sorry.    ; -----------------------------------------------------------   7 Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.  Up to 100 minutes free!  http://www.keen.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:02:19 -0700 ) From: Nick Nelson <nick@engr.arizona.edu> # Subject: DEC 3000 firmware question Q Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0007190951310.119341-100000@intermix.engr.arizona.edu>   I I am trying to upgrade OpenVMS from V1.0 (!) to 7.1 on a DEC 3000-400 and I the install dies due to too low a PALcode level.  Attempts to upgrade the H firmware from the current PALcode value of 5.39 to that contained in theB UPDATE-V39 CDROM with the 7.1 distribution die without finding theI secondary boot file.  This machine has not been touched since purchase in  ~1993...  B My question, apologies if this is the wrong group, is; can the DECE 3000-400 at this old level be upgraded directly to a current firmware J version or should I be trying some intermediate level first?  (The upgrade jumper has been moved...)    Thanks for any insights.   Nick Nelson 5 College of Engineering & Mines Computer Support Group  University of Arizona				  Tucson, AZ 85721
 (520)621-5864    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:25:49 GMT % From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> $ Subject: Re: Decwrite: where to get?) Message-ID: <8l3s6i$aso$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   > In article <Hk8d5.3324$mL5.123478@news-west.usenetserver.com>,3   gilley@nospam.bravewc.com (Charles Gilley) wrote: B > I thought DECwrite was one of those sw products sold off by Bob?  = DECWrite continues to be supported and ships on the June 2000 > ConDist. Most international versions are shipping for the last9 time on the VAX June 2000 CDs but English (and maybe some : others) will continue in future. I'm not sure if the Alpha> international versions are being retired as well as my current* Alpha distribution is in another building.  > I'm sure I recall DEC tried to kill it years ago but relented. --
 Alan Greig    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:18:07 -0500 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>0 Subject: Re: does anyone remember mr.rabinowicz?- Message-ID: <0033000001005550000002L002*@MHS>    =0ADear all,E flicking through old files I found a hand-written reference to a text B written by  DEC's brilliant Mr.Rabinovicz (I apologize for a wrongB spelling); the text is related to processes and pressing <CTRL-T>. Of course, I couldn't find it.H If anyone does know, would you please let me have a pointer to _any_ of=  his pearls.  TIA  Harald  B      Two that stick out in my memory are the Y2K/Leap Year SPR and3      the "A Day In The Life Of A Process Scheduler"   A      I know that a web search "Year 2000 Is Not A Leap Year" will A      turn up the former; I'm not so sure about the latter, except 0      to say that that's probably how I found it.  #      Oh, and it's "Stan Rabinowitz"   D      Hoff, surely URLs for these jewels merit inclusion in the FAQ..  	       ;-)         WWWebb=   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:14:47 +0100 ! From:  Tony Wright <tpw@ngat.com> , Subject: does anyone remember mr.rabinowicz?B Message-ID: <04E02AB064E0D211B24E0008C79F6A0E910100@mail.ngat.com>  2 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/ZK/STAN.TXT       > -----Original Message-----3 > From: WILLIAM WEBB [mailto:WWEBB1@email.usps.gov] + > Posted At: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 15:18  > Posted To: comp.os.vms3 > Conversation: does anyone remember mr.rabinowicz? 2 > Subject: Re: does anyone remember mr.rabinowicz? >  >  >  > Dear all, G > flicking through old files I found a hand-written reference to a text D > written by  DEC's brilliant Mr.Rabinovicz (I apologize for a wrongD > spelling); the text is related to processes and pressing <CTRL-T>.  > Of course, I couldn't find it.> > If anyone does know, would you please let me have a pointer  > to _any_ of his 	 > pearls.  > TIA  > Harald > D >      Two that stick out in my memory are the Y2K/Leap Year SPR and5 >      the "A Day In The Life Of A Process Scheduler"  > C >      I know that a web search "Year 2000 Is Not A Leap Year" will C >      turn up the former; I'm not so sure about the latter, except 2 >      to say that that's probably how I found it. > % >      Oh, and it's "Stan Rabinowitz"  > F >      Hoff, surely URLs for these jewels merit inclusion in the FAQ.. >  >       ;-)  > 
 >      WWWebb  >    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 15:44:58 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: DS10 IDE vs U2W SCSI , Message-ID: <8l4idq$35c@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  H Since nobody from Compaq came up with numbers, I ran a test on two LinuxM DS10s, to at least give a relative indication of the relative performance of  K SCSI vs. IDE perfomrance on a DS10.  The OS in both cases was RH 6.2/Alpha, % and both machines have 512 Mb of Ram.   N The first machine has an Intraserver ITI-6100 U2W controller and 2 IBM 18 Gb  
 LVD disks.  J The second machine has the DS10 IDE controller and 8.4 Gb Western Digital 
 IDE disk.   I I don't have the model numbers of either disk - I would have to open the   boxes to find out.   cd /tmp . dd if=/dev/zero of=bigfile bs=1024 count=50000/ dd if=/dev/zero of=wiper   bs=1024 count=500000  cat wiper > /dev/null , date ;  cat bigfile > /dev/null ; sync ;date, date ;  cat bigfile > bigfile2  ; sync ;date  H (note, not "cp wiper /dev/null" since on RH 6.2/Alpha that was replacing& the /dev/null with a real file, ugh.)            bigfile  bigfile2          read     write         from     to disk from          disk     file cache  SCSI       4         4 IDE       22        23  J I can't say how OpenVMS would perform with these IDE disks, but clearly atJ the hardware/controller level these IDE disks are not as quick as the SCSI disks.    G Maybe Compaq should look into upgrading the IDE in the DS10 to ATA66 or		 ATA100.      Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edue? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:12:28 -0400e/ From: "Joe H. Gallagher" <dtrwiz@ix.netcom.com>t Subject: Re: DTR Syntax)) Message-ID: <397562E8.4A92@ix.netcom.com>m   Bart Z. Lederman wrote:0 > D > In article <3973BCD6.9B1F8F8D@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" ' > <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:. > >o > >Horse Nuts wrote: > >>I > >> In the following I am trying to get ~"|USERNAME to be in lower case.h > >> How can I do this.V > >> Thanks  > >IC > >Yow! It's been rather a while since I hacked up anything in DTR.e > >98 > >Is there an FN$EDIT function? (Hint: Check the HELP). > >C > 7 > There are a number of string functions that come withg< > Datatrieve, but not a case function or a direct equivalent > to DCL's F$EDIT. > < > However, it is possible to add on in fairly easily.  I did > it some years ago. > B > I could post the article here, but I would suggest first looking > at the DTRWIZ web site ats > 4 > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/8958/ > = > If the article isn't there and Joe is willing to put it up,b1 > I can send it to him.  Otherwise I can post it.  > ; > Also, if you're doing anything with Datatrieve you shoulda= > try to get one of the older VMS SIG tape collections (whicha: > are also on CD) and look for the DTR/4GL SIG collection,8 > which contains all of the old newsletters and a lot of> > user contributed software: this includes the above mentioned> > function, and lots of others that you can add to Datatrieve,# > with examples of how to use them.t > > > You can start by looking in Sunsite or WU Archive (locations@ > for various freeware and SIG tape collections are in the FAQ). >  > --* >  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only >   5 Bart is correct in his statement that there is no wayn7 to easily get an upper case to lower case conversion ind6 standard DATATRIEVE (DATATRIEVE as it is supplied from Digital/Compaq).  8 A number of functions have been described in articles in7 the Wombat Examiner and 4GL Dispatch (the Newsletter of 2 the DATATRIEVE/$GK SIG of DECUS) over the years --) including FN$CHAR, FN$ICHAR, and FN$EDIT.e  3 However, the function FN$STR_TRANSLATE which links r7 DATATRIEVE to the VMS library function STR$TRANSLATE iso1 probably the most useful and general function form6 managing the translations of strings.  The linkage for9 this function was first specified by Philip A. Naecker ina3 Volumn 7, Number 11, page 14 (Jul'86) of the Wombat  Examiner and 4GL Dispatch'  ) The macro linkage for FN$STR_TRANSLATE isM  ' ; FN$STR_TRANSLATE - translate a strings ;  ; the destination string ; the source stringt ; the translation table string ; the match string  / $DTR$FUN_DEF FN$STR_TRANSLATE, STR$TRANSLATE, 4 )     $DTR$FUN_OUT_ARG  TYPE = FUN$K_STATUS:2     $DTR$FUN_HEADER  HDR = <"Translated"/"String">D     $DTR$FUN_IN_ARG  TYPE = FUN$K_TEXT                   , OUT_PUT = TRUEH     $DTR$FUN_IN_ARG  TYPE = FUN$K_DESC, DTYPE = DSC$K_DTYPE_T, ORDER = 1H     $DTR$FUN_IN_ARG  TYPE = FUN$K_DESC, DTYPE = DSC$K_DTYPE_T, ORDER = 2H     $DTR$FUN_IN_ARG  TYPE = FUN$K_DESC, DTYPE = DSC$K_DTYPE_T, ORDER = 3 $DTR$FUN_END_DEF   So the expression,   	FN$STR_TRANSLATE(USERNAME,  	"abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz", 	"ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ")  6 would translate the variable USERNAME into lower case.   Joe H. Gallagher, Ph. D.$ Former SIG Chair & Newsletter Editor DATATRIEVE/4GL SIG of DECUS  dtrwiz at ix dot netcom dot com," See "The DATATRIEVE Programmer" at2 http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/8958/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:37:47 -0400:+ From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com>r9 Subject: Free VAXstations, Rainbows, DEC Pro's in DC areaa1 Message-ID: <397584FB.370F4337@trailing-edge.com>u  ? The following are available immediately, for free, to the firstnB parties who show up and haul them away from their current location8 in Bethesda MD (right inside the Washington DC Beltway):  @ VAXStation 3100-30, 16 Megs of memory, internal RZ23 disk, VR319( 19" monochrome monitor, keyboard, mouse.  @ VAXStation 3100-38, 24 Megs of memory, no internal drives, comes. with VR260 14" color monitor, keyboard, mouse.  > The above systems are completely functional, and if you buy meE a nice lunch and get yourself a hobbyist license I'll install VMS 7.2c? on one of *your* SCSI drives for you.  (The RZ23 in the 3100-30 @ isn't officially big enough to hold a 7.2 installation anymore.)E You'd have to bring along a drive in the 300MB-1000MB range (remembere/ the 1Gig limit on this era VS3100 boot drives.)    Also available for free:  > A bunch of DEC Pro's and DEC Rainbows, with matching color andA monochrome monitors.  These are in pretty ratty condition, thoughnB I expect that several functional units can be made from the parts.= Also comes with dozens of boxes of documentation and originaly DEC software kits.  A Again, all the above is for pickup only, first-come-first-served.oB Call me at 301-767-5917 or Email me at shoppa@trailing-edge.com if you're interested.   Tim.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:27:29 -0400i- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> G Subject: Fun with SET FILE/ENTER (was Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?)7. Message-ID: <snben92d6tt87@corp.supernews.com>  D All of this talk about SET FILE /ENTER reminded me of some fun I had1 in V4.3 (IIRC) when I was at a site for 6 months.   E There were many problems between the full time staff and the Director C of MIS. One of the many things the director did was walking through ? directories making sure his people were working and looking forcA anything that did not belong there. The full timers asked me if Ie@ could find some way to get back at him. So we ended up doing the5 following in the directory of one of the programmers;0   $ create x.xE $ set file/enter=Letter_to_Joe_about_Frank.TXT x.x  ! Joe was Frank'se
 boss' boss
 $ delete x.x.l  @ That kept him busy for a while trying to look at what was in the letter.    -- Peter Weaver   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:09:19 GMT % From: Berty <Guy.Barrett@tntpost.com>a* Subject: Re: How to Reset a DECServer 90L+) Message-ID: <8l3r7o$a4r$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  " In article <8l28bk$j9@netaxs.com>,)   "Stan Barndt" <stan@nextaxs.com> wrote:aG >     A client picked up one of these second hand.  He can't connect tod hissA > Alpha, because all the ports are dedicated to a service that he 	 obviouslyr > doesn't have.tE >     I know how to reset a DS 100, 200, and 300, but have never done  it on an > 90L. >     What's the trick?  >  >g   --# The method that I use is as followse  E The DECserver should be powered off by removing the power lead for at  least 10 seconds. E Using a small thin object, press and hold in the recessed switch thatR? is located on the right hand side of the DECserver front panel.oF Whilst ensuring that this switch is held in, refit the power cable and, hold the switch in for a further 10 seconds.5 Release the switch and allow the DECserver to reboot.t= Connect to the DECserver from a locally attached VT Terminal.e2 At the LOCAL> prompt, issue the following commands   Local>SET PRIV  ( and enter the password. (Usually SYSTEM)   Issue the following commandm   Local> SHOW INTERNET  E If the DECserver has been succesfully initialised to factory default,s0 then following will be displayed on your screen.   State : Enableda   Internet Address : 0.0.0.0   Subnet Mask : 255.255.0.0e   Local>   Hope this helps.2 -------------------------------------------------- Guy Barretti Infrastructure Team Leader TNT Post Group? Note. This post only contains my personal opinion and in no way1 reflects those of my employers.o    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:16:56 GMT-= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) * Subject: Re: How to Reset a DECServer 90L+0 Message-ID: <009ED4D1.674E339F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Q In article <8l3r7o$a4r$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Berty <Guy.Barrett@tntpost.com> writes:t# >In article <8l28bk$j9@netaxs.com>,o* >  "Stan Barndt" <stan@nextaxs.com> wrote:H >>     A client picked up one of these second hand.  He can't connect to >hisB >> Alpha, because all the ports are dedicated to a service that he
 >obviously >> doesn't have.F >>     I know how to reset a DS 100, 200, and 300, but have never done >it on a >> 90L.s >>     What's the trick? >> >> >t >-- $ >The method that I use is as follows >eF >The DECserver should be powered off by removing the power lead for at >least 10 seconds.F >Using a small thin object, press and hold in the recessed switch that@ >is located on the right hand side of the DECserver front panel.G >Whilst ensuring that this switch is held in, refit the power cable andb- >hold the switch in for a further 10 seconds.n6 >Release the switch and allow the DECserver to reboot.> >Connect to the DECserver from a locally attached VT Terminal.3 >At the LOCAL> prompt, issue the following commandso >h >Local>SET PRIV- >-) >and enter the password. (Usually SYSTEM)0 >6 >Issue the following command >e >Local> SHOW INTERNETo >cF >If the DECserver has been succesfully initialised to factory default,1 >then following will be displayed on your screen.  >e >State : Enabled >s >Internet Address : 0.0.0.0e >c >Subnet Mask : 255.255.0.0 >  >Local>t >a >Hope this helps.e  I Sorry Guy, I'm afraid not.  The DECserver 90L[+] does not have this resetwJ switch you refer to not do they support the familiar LAT software and com-I mand setup language you describe.  The 90L is a strange little box with as' "menu" style setup for configuration.      --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:03:28 GMTf% From: Berty <Guy.Barrett@tntpost.com>t* Subject: Re: How to Reset a DECServer 90L+) Message-ID: <8l41to$em2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>t  0 In article <009ED4D1.674E339F@SendSpamHere.ORG>,    system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:1 > In article <8l3r7o$a4r$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Berty-! <Guy.Barrett@tntpost.com> writes: % > >In article <8l28bk$j9@netaxs.com>,e, > >  "Stan Barndt" <stan@nextaxs.com> wrote:G > >>     A client picked up one of these second hand.  He can't connect  to > >hisD > >> Alpha, because all the ports are dedicated to a service that he > >obviously > >> doesn't have.H > >>     I know how to reset a DS 100, 200, and 300, but have never done
 > >it on a	 > >> 90L.a > >>     What's the trick? > >> > >> > >- > >-- & > >The method that I use is as follows > >eH > >The DECserver should be powered off by removing the power lead for at > >least 10 seconds.H > >Using a small thin object, press and hold in the recessed switch thatB > >is located on the right hand side of the DECserver front panel.E > >Whilst ensuring that this switch is held in, refit the power cableu and;/ > >hold the switch in for a further 10 seconds.d8 > >Release the switch and allow the DECserver to reboot.@ > >Connect to the DECserver from a locally attached VT Terminal.5 > >At the LOCAL> prompt, issue the following commandso > >o > >Local>SET PRIVg > >n+ > >and enter the password. (Usually SYSTEM)z > >	 > >Issue the following command > >  > >Local> SHOW INTERNET- > >-H > >If the DECserver has been succesfully initialised to factory default,3 > >then following will be displayed on your screen.- > >8 > >State : Enabled > >m > >Internet Address : 0.0.0.05 > >7 > >Subnet Mask : 255.255.0.0 > >i	 > >Local>. > >w > >Hope this helps.) >oE > Sorry Guy, I'm afraid not.  The DECserver 90L[+] does not have this? resetWG > switch you refer to not do they support the familiar LAT software and  com-D > mand setup language you describe.  The 90L is a strange little box with a' > "menu" style setup for configuration.n >u > --C > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)t TMESIS(dot)COM >c   --, I stand corrected by my distinguished peers.. I had assumed that 90L's are similar to 90M's. Sorry.2 -------------------------------------------------- Guy Barretto Infrastructure Team Leader TNT Post Group2 Note. This post only contains my personal opinion.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:30:14 -0400M& From: "Stan Barndt" <stan@nextaxs.com>* Subject: Re: How to Reset a DECServer 90L+# Message-ID: <8l46vp$4dt@netaxs.com>   K     The first reply that I got gave me the answer.  I needed to SET SERVICEsL ENABLED on EWA0.  Once I did that, I could connect to the 90L+ and configure it.uK     By the way, who dreamed up the menu based configuration on this beast??dJ What was wrong with the setup used by every other DECServer that I've ever seen????????   Stan BarndtP HSB Consulting   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:16:22 -0400 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>tM Subject: RE: I/O caching and UNIX evaluations (was: Re: got to remember ..	.),J Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284557@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   Nigel,  K The NT box is only a console management option who's primary function it is L to manage the ascii log files. All FW, logic etc is on the GS box itself. IfD the console mgmt box dies, then console output is not being recordedH (operator log not impacted of course), but this will not cause any other issues with the GS box.   F Some console log file mgmt solutions (like Heroix RoboCentral) offer aK parallel console log file mgmt solution for those Customers concerned about. losing any console data.  J [yep, I remember the console issues with previous boxes of many years ago]  L Depending on the log file management solution chosen by the Customer, it can be NT or OpenVMS or UNIX based.r  K As an example, the following console log file mgmt solution can be based ontE a OpenVMS WS (or any other VMS box) if the Customer prefers a OpenVMSc solution over a NT box:y- http://www.tditx.com/tdicard/www/cwframe.htmlo   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant,
 Compaq Canada  Professional Servicesu Voice : 613-592-4660 FAX   : 819-772-7036 Email : kerry.main@compaq.com        -----Original Message-----6 From: Nigel Arnot [mailto:sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk]$ Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 6:42 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComtG Subject: re: I/O caching and UNIX evaluations (was: Re: got to remember  ...)     >  > In articleA <rdeininger-1507001131360001@user-2ivebf7.dialup.mindspring.com>,o4 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes: > > G > >When I read that the new GS-series machines REQUIRE a billy-box as aaJ > >system console, I almost fell out of my chair.  24x7x365, or until your# > >console goes BSOD.  Good Grief! c  dF But surely the console is hot-swappable, and not designed such that a E console BSOD/reboot  during normal GS ops causes anything untoward toe happen?   D If it's not designed that way, something needs to be done about it! @ (cue painful memories of an 11/780 with a faulty LSI-11 console)   	Yours,n
 		Nigel ArnotI- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                   k  7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."4   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:29:08 GMTh2 From: dilalo@aesop.rutgers.edu (Gregory J. DiLalo)0 Subject: Importing a VMS 5.5-2 sysuaf.dat to 7.21 Message-ID: <009ED4FD.041641BA@aesop.rutgers.edu>c  N I'm replacing a VAX 4705A running VMS 5.5-2h4 with an ES40 AlphaServer runningH 7.2.  Has anyone successfully imported a 5.5-2 sysuaf.dat to 7.2 withoutO upgrading the OS first?  I'd like to build the new system from scratch with all H the latest releases of layered products then just import both the sysuafG and rightslist data from the VMS 5.5-2 VAX system.  The old sysuaf uses 8 device logicals that I can redefine on the new system.    H My hope is to just restore the current user disk volumes to the new san,G import the sysuaf and rightslist, and throw the network switch (grantedl; I'm oversimplying the prep work a bit).  Am I pipedreaming?0  P -------------------------------------+------------------------------------------N Gregory J. DiLalo                    | Voice (Work):   (732) 932-1100 Ext. 411F Management Information Services      | Voice (Home):   (732) 257-6969 E Cook College/NJAES                   | FAX:            (732) 932-8887AO Rutgers, The State University of NJ  | Internet:       dilalo@aesop.rutgers.edu8P -------------------------------------+------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:41:06 -0600~- From: Lorin Ricker <Lorin.Ricker@t-netix.com>I0 Subject: Importing a VMS 5.5-2 sysuaf.dat to 7.2I Message-ID: <418E68E524A8D311ACCE00508B78866A7680D2@exchange.t-netix.com>$  5 > Has anyone successfully imported a 5.5-2 sysuaf.dat ( > to 7.2 without upgrading the OS first?  K No, I've not done exactly that, but I *have* transferred sysuaf, rightslistsJ and vmsmail dat-files between like- (or close-) versioned systems, so I've( got at least some perspective on this...  I If I recall correctly, its just that the RMS record structure has changedaL (they added fields to the records) from VMS v5.x to v6.x and now to v7.x ...I Hoff or one of the other VMS engineers could shed specific light on this.   K If you do an ANALYZE/RMS/FDL to capture an FDL output file on your originaleJ sysuaf.dat *and* on a v7.x sysuaf.dat (which you'd ultimately replace withF your original .dat file's contents), you should be able to see how the1 record structure's been expanded from old to new.s  J It then should be just a matter of doing a CONVERT /FDL on *a copy* of theD old sysuaf.dat file, using the FDL description file for the *new* v7J variant, to change your old data file into something acceptable to the newH v7 environment... I'd bet that this is (largely) what an upgrade processJ does anyway.  This is just my conjecture, so use this with caution, but itH should put you on the right track... and someone's likely to jump in and< fill in my gaps or correct my misconception, so stay tooned.   regards,   Lorin Ricker   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 17:37:41 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)4 Subject: Re: Importing a VMS 5.5-2 sysuaf.dat to 7.26 Message-ID: <8l4p15$fpb$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  y In article <418E68E524A8D311ACCE00508B78866A7680D2@exchange.t-netix.com>, Lorin Ricker <Lorin.Ricker@t-netix.com> writes:f6 :> Has anyone successfully imported a 5.5-2 sysuaf.dat) :> to 7.2 without upgrading the OS first?  ..  J   If you can at all manage it, I would perform a quick upgrade from V5.5-2J   to V6.1 (even if just as a throw-away off-to-the-side upgrade done over J   a weekend), you'll then get the SYSUAF update, NET$PROXY, and some otherJ   stuff.  This can all be done manually, but the upgrade will get it rightF   rather more reliably and with rather less explanation and less risk.  H   Once you have the authorization database files left from the upgrade, >   you can then transfer the full suite over to OpenVMS Alpha.   G   Single biggest problem usually involves matching up the UICs from the$<   old environment with the UICs used in the new environment.  F   If you have locally-developed source code, an upgrade from V5.5-2 toJ   V7.1 and from thence to V7.2, and an upgrade of the layered products to G   current versions -- then followed by a move over to OpenVMS Alpha (orJF   temporarily clustering with OpenVMS Alpha) -- can help speed up the    whole porting process.   ..J :If I recall correctly, its just that the RMS record structure has changedM :(they added fields to the records) from VMS v5.x to v6.x and now to v7.x ...iJ :Hoff or one of the other VMS engineers could shed specific light on this.  H   We've changed a few minor things, and a new authorization file or two.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:26:12 -0400 (AST)n? From: "Carlos A. =??Q?Jim=E9nez?=" <C_JIMENEZ@UPR1.UPR.CLU.EDU>y5 Subject: Importing sysuaf.lis to Echange - SAM - FILEZ1 Message-ID: <01JRYB1CILMQ000YWD@UPR1.UPR.CLU.EDU>o   Hello   @ 	I have an AlphaServer 2100. I want to export my users from the 7 sysuaf.dat to Echange Server(MS) SAM FILE.  For exampleyO (Username,PassWord,Expiration Date, Groups, ect.). If any one have this problem ! and have a solution I apreciate.       Thanks,o   Carlos Jimenez
 Alpha Managerh   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:53:04 +0100i  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com7 Subject: Re: Keyboard/Video/Mouse switch for Alpha & PCG> Message-ID: <80256921.00367704.00@qedilc01.qedi.quintiles.com>   Zane Healy wrote/quoted:< >>>In comp.sys.dec Jay Olson <jjo@triton.com.no.spam> wrote:D > I have a Belkin OmniView and it does funny things with VMS Alphas.H > Definitely not recommended for this use. I have heard that the RaritanG > switches work well with VMS machines. However, I have also heard thattF > you cannot mix PCs and VMS (perhaps even Unix) machines because theyG > initialize the keyboard differently. On the other hand, the blurb for H > the Raritan switches in the Data Comm Warehouse catalog says they haveC > "dedicated keyboard & mouse emulators", so perhaps this fixes thew
 > problem.  I I've got one of these.  I've got a couple PC's and a couple Alpha's on itrE normally.  I've not had trouble with a AlphaStation 200 4/233 runningoK OpenVMS that I used to have on it, but I have had trouble with the keyboard I locking up and being unusable with a Multia running OpenBSD.  Also I justnB plain can't hook the Keyboard or mouse of my PWS433au up to it.<<<  P I'm using a Black Box "ServSwitch" on a PC and an AlphaServer 1000A.  This worksN OK, but I couldn't get the thing to switch mice as well as video and keyboard.P It also helped when someone gave me the keyboard driver for the LK461 as most if- not all of the keys now map correctly on WNT.e  O As with all of these things, YMMV.  But it does let me use a 19" monitor for myiN PC without taking all of the desk over (I've got a VAXstation 4000 model 90 on1 the desk too so there isn't much room left......)1   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:47:31 +0200R> From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>7 Subject: Re: Keyboard/Video/Mouse switch for Alpha & PCa2 Message-ID: <8l40r9$53r$1@s2.feed.news.oleane.net>  @ You mean you've got an NT driver to use an LK keyboard with NT ?* Maybe available in foreign languages too ? Have you got a pointer to it ?   Cordialement Jean-Franois Marchal  X9000 - LYON (FR),  - <steven.reece@quintiles.com> wrote in message 8 news:80256921.00367704.00@qedilc01.qedi.quintiles.com... >  >a > Zane Healy wrote/quoted:> > >>>In comp.sys.dec Jay Olson <jjo@triton.com.no.spam> wrote:F > > I have a Belkin OmniView and it does funny things with VMS Alphas.J > > Definitely not recommended for this use. I have heard that the RaritanI > > switches work well with VMS machines. However, I have also heard that H > > you cannot mix PCs and VMS (perhaps even Unix) machines because theyI > > initialize the keyboard differently. On the other hand, the blurb fordJ > > the Raritan switches in the Data Comm Warehouse catalog says they haveE > > "dedicated keyboard & mouse emulators", so perhaps this fixes thew > > problem. >oK > I've got one of these.  I've got a couple PC's and a couple Alpha's on itcG > normally.  I've not had trouble with a AlphaStation 200 4/233 running D > OpenVMS that I used to have on it, but I have had trouble with the keyboardK > locking up and being unusable with a Multia running OpenBSD.  Also I just D > plain can't hook the Keyboard or mouse of my PWS433au up to it.<<< >yL > I'm using a Black Box "ServSwitch" on a PC and an AlphaServer 1000A.  This workseF > OK, but I couldn't get the thing to switch mice as well as video and	 keyboard.-J > It also helped when someone gave me the keyboard driver for the LK461 as most ifh/ > not all of the keys now map correctly on WNT.  >EJ > As with all of these things, YMMV.  But it does let me use a 19" monitor for myJ > PC without taking all of the desk over (I've got a VAXstation 4000 model 90 onb3 > the desk too so there isn't much room left......)m >r >: >>   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 08:01:10 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.293778.killspam.0223 (Wayne Sewell)r7 Subject: Re: Keyboard/Video/Mouse switch for Alpha & PC . Message-ID: <6eLyFGQvpCWg@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  h In article <Bb4d5.81$%e1.2399@typhoon.aracnet.com>, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes:; > In comp.sys.dec Jay Olson <jjo@triton.com.no.spam> wrote:pE >> I have a Belkin OmniView and it does funny things with VMS Alphas. I >> Definitely not recommended for this use. I have heard that the Raritan H >> switches work well with VMS machines. However, I have also heard thatG >> you cannot mix PCs and VMS (perhaps even Unix) machines because theynH >> initialize the keyboard differently. On the other hand, the blurb forI >> the Raritan switches in the Data Comm Warehouse catalog says they haveeD >> "dedicated keyboard & mouse emulators", so perhaps this fixes the >> problem.l >  > I've got one of these.    ) One of which?  The Belkin or the Raritan?   2 >I've got a couple PC's and a couple Alpha's on itG > normally.  I've not had trouble with a AlphaStation 200 4/233 running N > OpenVMS that I used to have on it, but I have had trouble with the keyboard L > locking up and being unusable with a Multia running OpenBSD.  Also I just A > plain can't hook the Keyboard or mouse of my PWS433au up to it.o > 	 > 			Zaneh >  -- rO ===============================================================================iM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxM: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)MO =============================================================================== O Otter, on dining with Bluto:"It's perfectly safe if you keep your arms and legs@ 			away from his mouth."   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:09:02 GMTe From: jnchambless@my-deja.com 7 Subject: Re: Keyboard/Video/Mouse switch for Alpha & PCt) Message-ID: <8l4cpf$lva$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   . In article <6eLyFGQvpCWg@tachxxsoftxxconsult>,@   wayne@tachysoft.xxx.293778.killspam.0223 (Wayne Sewell) wrote:E > In article <Bb4d5.81$%e1.2399@typhoon.aracnet.com>, "Zane H. Healy">$ <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes:= > > In comp.sys.dec Jay Olson <jjo@triton.com.no.spam> wrote: G > >> I have a Belkin OmniView and it does funny things with VMS Alphas. C > >> Definitely not recommended for this use. I have heard that thet RaritanlE > >> switches work well with VMS machines. However, I have also heardn thatD > >> you cannot mix PCs and VMS (perhaps even Unix) machines because theyF > >> initialize the keyboard differently. On the other hand, the blurb forhF > >> the Raritan switches in the Data Comm Warehouse catalog says they haveF > >> "dedicated keyboard & mouse emulators", so perhaps this fixes the
 > >> problem.l > >y > > I've got one of these. >h+ > One of which?  The Belkin or the Raritan?o > 4 > >I've got a couple PC's and a couple Alpha's on itA > > normally.  I've not had trouble with a AlphaStation 200 4/233  runningHF > > OpenVMS that I used to have on it, but I have had trouble with the keyboardF > > locking up and being unusable with a Multia running OpenBSD.  Also I justC > > plain can't hook the Keyboard or mouse of my PWS433au up to it.k > >5 > > 			Zanei > >L > -- > H ======================================================================== =======e: > Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738 wayne@tachysoft.xxxL: > http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html@ > change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) > H ======================================================================== =======SC > Otter, on dining with Bluto:"It's perfectly safe if you keep your 
 arms and legst > 			away from his mouth." >o  B We use the Belkin Omni View SE 4 port.  Found that it had problemsA switching the video.  We use a COMPAQ P1100 monitor that has dualc@ inputs.  We have dual video connectors that run to the PC and myG XP900.  We use the Belkin to switch the keyboard and mouse.  Works very1G good and only confuses VMS slightly on the keyboard.  When that happenscG we simply switch the keyboard/mouse to the PC and back.  That clears up ) the confusion and we are off and running.t    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.I   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:30:57 -0600 - From: Lorin Ricker <Lorin.Ricker@t-netix.com>t7 Subject: Re: Keyboard/Video/Mouse switch for Alpha & PC I Message-ID: <418E68E524A8D311ACCE00508B78866A7680D1@exchange.t-netix.com>g  G I've been using the Belkin Omni View SE 4-port switch at home too, with A mixed results.  It seems to switch my big 21" DEC monitor betweencA VMS/DECwindows and billigates Windows displays fine... my biggest-G frustration's been mousies, plus the various combinations of "standard"eH keyboard &/or mouse cable plugs-n-sockets (serial, PS, IBM, big, little,C fat, skinny, male, female) that you run into on new(er) vs. old(er)GB machines.  I'm pretty sure that the various vagaries of "standard"J plug-n-pin wiring and manufacturer's "proprietary tweaks" to pin-outs also complicates matters.  J I'd love to be able to use my old Logitek trackball (the red "marble") forK personal ergonomic preference reasons, but apparently Logitek's built their F devices "non-standard", and the Belkin apparently doesn't pass all theK signals through, or twists up the wire/pinning... anyway, it's one of those L things that seems to work for some combinations of machines, but doesn't forH others.  Again, so much for "standards" (NB: I keep putting that word inJ quotes based on my dismal experiences, not only with computer "standards",H but because I've just been through two kitchen remodels in 3 years, eachJ time having to cope with "standard" fixtures, plumbing, etc.!  For me, the2 word "standard" has certainly lost its luster! ;-)  F Most keyboards seem to work OK, including my AlphaStation's "VT-style"K keyboard and various "standard" PC keyboards.  I'm still searching for thatlK one "perfect" combo of mouse, keyboard, plus my 21" monitor, that works forUI all systems... just bought another over-priced "adapter" gizmo at CompUSAe; last night... wish me luck!  This just for what it's worth.o   Lorin Ricker   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:42:28 GMT  From: trdorr@my-deja.com7 Subject: Re: Limit a UIC group access to a number of 50o) Message-ID: <8l4lpe$tql$1@nnrp1.deja.com>n  * Thanks for the suggestion for MAXACCTJOBS.G However,MAXACCTJOBS does not address the solution. I want to be able toDC limit the number of users in a UIC group to not be able to login if / there are more than 50 users in that UIC group.t  + In article <imljMdqAolO$@eisner.decus.org>,a<   Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:F > In article <8l2f23$a5n$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, trdorr@my-deja.com writes:G > > Is there some way or program or utility to limit a UIC group to not-H > > exceed a given number of logins? There is a need to keep a UIC groupC > > to a limit to not use the total number of licenses by a layered D > > application. Our layered application grants a total number but I need8 > > to limit a UIC group to not use more than 50 logins. >.D > Yes, provided your management of the Account field matches the VMS default: > - > >>> $ mcr authorize help modify/maxacctjobsm > >>>h > >>> MODIFY > >>>t > >>>   /MAXACCTJOBS > >>>   > >>>         /MAXACCTJOBS=value > >>>hB > >>>      Specifies the maximum number of batch, interactive, and detachedH > >>>      processes that can be active at one time for all users of theE > >>>      same account. By default, a user has a maximum of 0, whichi* > >>>      represents an unlimited number. >l    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.0   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:08:27 -0400-- From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@golden.net>|8 Subject: native VMS mail reader that can understand MIME, Message-ID: <8l498u$a6a$1@cougar.golden.net>  = Our users in our company and migrating from terminal based to(K client/server/web based apps.  We currently use VMS as our mail server with@ UCX SMTP/POP3 enabled.  = We are able to have our users send/receive email from/to both- terminals/PC's.-  K The only catch is that if sending from a PC to a user that will read it viaiK terminal based mail VMS mail cannot understand MIME headers so the messagesaK have to be sent in plain text and we cannot use attachments.  Therefore thex9 TOP_HEADERS section of UCX SMTP/POP had to be turned off..  K We would really like to have that abilility.  Is that a package on VMS thatt can do that?  L I have tried PINE but I cannot get it to work right and I find the interfaceL clunky.  Is that not an extension that could be added to VMS mail that couldL before you read mail intercept the MINE headers and at least filter them outL so that only the text can be read.  I realize that terminal based mail couldI not handle the attachment (maybe) but when sending from PC to PC thru theyL VMS mail server we could have attachments etc.  I know that attachments workI because I turned on TOP_HEADERS and did a test and I could read the EXCELr spreadsheet round trip.t   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 15:28:01 GMT' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)d< Subject: Re: native VMS mail reader that can understand MIME0 Message-ID: <8l4he1$3km$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>  \ In article <8l498u$a6a$1@cougar.golden.net>, "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@golden.net> writes:> >Our users in our company and migrating from terminal based toL >client/server/web based apps.  We currently use VMS as our mail server with >UCX SMTP/POP3 enabled.  > > >We are able to have our users send/receive email from/to both >terminals/PC's. >cL >The only catch is that if sending from a PC to a user that will read it viaL >terminal based mail VMS mail cannot understand MIME headers so the messagesL >have to be sent in plain text and we cannot use attachments.  Therefore the: >TOP_HEADERS section of UCX SMTP/POP had to be turned off. >e   ????  F I haven't used VMS MAIL with the native UCX/SMTP for sometime - I use N the commercial PMDF package from innosoft (which has very good Mime support). H However I am pretty sure that VMS MAIL has no problem with SMTP or MIME M headers it just doesn't understand MIME headers. Hence the mail message with jH multiple Mime attachments will just appear as one long message with the > various attachments being separated by the Mime header lines. E This may be a little bit annoying but hardly a reason to turn off the J TOP_HEADERS in UCX/POP (which is required by most if not all POP Clients).K Those messages which have not been base-64 or otherwise encoded can just bea read using VMS MAIL.M If they have been base-64 encoded  then the MIME messages can be read on VMS aD by extracting the message out into a file and using the MIME editor I (provided with VMS 7.2) or using a public domain utility such as MUNPACK.rM (Similarly MIME messages can be sent by creating the file outside of VMS MAILeK  using the MIME Editor or a utility such as MPACK and then sent through VMS   MAIL).J  J Of course you still won't be able to read that word document that was sent as a Mime attachment on VMS.  G The public domain PINE for VMS should be able to deal with MIME headers(J (although you may need the MX mail package to get full MIME/SMTP support).  G I can't comment to much on that since I have never used either of these.O packages. As mentioned above I use PMDF which handles the mail transport issues-J , header line mapping between VMS mail and RFC822 headers etc and providesM an extended version of VMS mail and version of PINE which handle attachments  	 and MIME.-  L >We would really like to have that abilility.  Is that a package on VMS that
 >can do that?= >eM >I have tried PINE but I cannot get it to work right and I find the interfaceSM >clunky.  Is that not an extension that could be added to VMS mail that couldhM >before you read mail intercept the MINE headers and at least filter them outaM >so that only the text can be read.  I realize that terminal based mail coulduJ >not handle the attachment (maybe) but when sending from PC to PC thru theM >VMS mail server we could have attachments etc.  I know that attachments work-J >because I turned on TOP_HEADERS and did a test and I could read the EXCEL >spreadsheet round trip. >e >o >   J Before we got PMDF we did have a VMS workstation running UCX acting as ourG central mailhub. Although it lacked the functionality of PMDF it workedr5 fine as far as passing SMTP mail messages through it.d  J VMS Mail can be used as a message store and accessed via POP , IMAP or WEB based clients.     UCX provides a POP Server.N PMDF provides both a POP and IMAP server. I don't know if there is an uptodate" public Domain IMAP server for VMS.  I If you have any of the OSU, WASD , Purveyor or Apache (beta) web servers h0 on your VMS system then you can install YAHMAIL  (http://wasd.vsm.com.au/wasd/).aG This public domain program written by the author of the WASD web server L privides a web interface to the VMS mail store. This provides full access toL all folders, viewing of MIME mail messages and the ability to send MIME mailC attachments - you can attach files which are on your local machine.t  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:21:32 GMTa% From: Berty <Guy.Barrett@tntpost.com> < Subject: Re: native VMS mail reader that can understand MIME) Message-ID: <8l4h17$pna$1@nnrp1.deja.com>c  , In article <8l498u$a6a$1@cougar.golden.net>,0   "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@golden.net> wrote:? > Our users in our company and migrating from terminal based to A > client/server/web based apps.  We currently use VMS as our mailm server withi > UCX SMTP/POP3 enabled. >e? > We are able to have our users send/receive email from/to boths > terminals/PC's.r > F > The only catch is that if sending from a PC to a user that will read it viaD > terminal based mail VMS mail cannot understand MIME headers so the messages> > have to be sent in plain text and we cannot use attachments.
 Therefore the2; > TOP_HEADERS section of UCX SMTP/POP had to be turned off.  > D > We would really like to have that abilility.  Is that a package on VMS that > can do that? >?D > I have tried PINE but I cannot get it to work right and I find the	 interfacenC > clunky.  Is that not an extension that could be added to VMS mail.
 that couldE > before you read mail intercept the MINE headers and at least filtern them outC > so that only the text can be read.  I realize that terminal basedy
 mail couldG > not handle the attachment (maybe) but when sending from PC to PC thruh thee= > VMS mail server we could have attachments etc.  I know thath attachments workE > because I turned on TOP_HEADERS and did a test and I could read the  EXCEL  > spreadsheet round trip.i >r >l   -- Have your tried PMDF.r PMDF  B   PMDF contains a modest collection of user-level and system-level>   utility programs, as well as two mail user agents, PMDF MAILA   and PMDF Pine. User-level utilities include utilities to managet@   "personal address books" of e-mail addresses and mailing listsC   (DB), to filter incoming messages (DELIVER), to decode and encodeu@   MIME encoded messages (DECODE and ENCODE), to file messages toB   a particular folder (FOLDER), to set a user's forwarding addressB   (FORWARD), to move folders from one system to another (migrate),E   to manage passwords such as those used for POP APOP commands or POPrB   logins (PASSWORD), to turn text to PostScript or wrap PostScriptB   lines (PS and PSWRAP), and to send messages from the DCL commandF   line (SEND). PMDF also includes list server facilities. System-levelA   utilities are used to perform various maintenance, testing, andi   management tasks.e  7 Admittedly it is a layered product but it does the job. 2 -------------------------------------------------- Guy Barrett  Infrastructure Team Leader TNT Post Group2 Note. This post only contains my personal opinion.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.7   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 15:56:22 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)< Subject: Re: native VMS mail reader that can understand MIME6 Message-ID: <8l4j36$esn$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  \ In article <8l498u$a6a$1@cougar.golden.net>, "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@golden.net> writes:L :The only catch is that if sending from a PC to a user that will read it viaL :terminal based mail VMS mail cannot understand MIME headers so the messages= :have to be sent in plain text and we cannot use attachments.   I   The MIME utility is available on OpenVMS V7.2 and later, assuming that dB   the previously discussed MIME ECO and the SFF tweak are applied.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:41:07 +0200p' From: "David LAZIMY" <david@lazimy.com>m3 Subject: Re: Pathworks v6.0B and its administration/- Message-ID: <8l3pjm$m3$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>i  K The problem I have with Pathworks 6.0 is that a Pathworks administrator hasi1 to be a WinNT domain admin to manage the service. A With the previous version (5 for example), there were a VMS local	K authentication procedure to access the Pathworks administrative tool !! And=C this has disappeared in the new Pathworks version which is a shame.)@ Since VMS people here are not involved with Windows NT or LANMANI technologies, using a graphical (text mode) interface was much easier fory them...t  K Thanks for the information anyway...I'll try to find out a way to manage it= !!   David=  8 "Mitchell, David R." <mitchell@WPI.EDU> wrote in message< news:FE1835D68492D311BF7900508B5BEB0D0DE8D3@petra.WPI.EDU...K > As far as I know all of the old Pathworks GUI stuff is gone with the 6.0xmH > and above.  Once you get in through administer the commands are prettyJ > straightforward.  Of course, the NT tools (user manager, server manager,I > event log) work as well.  Whether you call them "user friendly" or not,eF > well, I'm not going to get into that.  Not in this group anyways ;-) >H > Davidh >y > > -----Original Message-----0 > > From: David LAZIMY [mailto:david@lazimy.com]( > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 7:29 AM > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 3 > > Subject: Pathworks v6.0B and its administrations > >  > >e > > Hi,a > >tJ > > I used to work with Pathworks 5.0 (pretty old !!) and using a semi-GUII > > interface to manage the pathworks share and properties of the server.bA > > I'm using version 6.0B and it seems that the only way to workr > > on the serveroJ > > is the command line interface you can use coming with the "administer" > > command.J > > Does anybody know if there is a way to use a little more user friendly? > > interface to work on the console all the more as the peoplel > > working here on 5 > > VMS are not used to the Windows administration...t > >  > > Thanks a lot,  > > David - david@lazimy.com > >  > >  > >n > >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:44:04 -0500d) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>M3 Subject: Re: Pathworks v6.0B and its administration . Message-ID: <snb897ct1nk53@corp.supernews.com>  0 David LAZIMY <david@lazimy.com> wrote in message' news:8l3pjm$m3$1@reader1.imaginet.fr...=I > The problem I have with Pathworks 6.0 is that a Pathworks administrator  has)3 > to be a WinNT domain admin to manage the service.tC > With the previous version (5 for example), there were a VMS localsI > authentication procedure to access the Pathworks administrative tool !!= And=E > this has disappeared in the new Pathworks version which is a shame.gB > Since VMS people here are not involved with Windows NT or LANMANK > technologies, using a graphical (text mode) interface was much easier forn	 > them...a >rJ > Thanks for the information anyway...I'll try to find out a way to manage it > !!  J At first I thought it was a downside that Pathworks 6.x + must be a domainG controller, but it turns out that Pathworks  6.x+ fully supports domains trusts.h  J My recomendations, that have been posted here before is that the PathworksK domain be a resource domain that TRUSTs the NT domain, not be a part of it.g  E This insulates you both on the licensing issues, and on many possible-K compatibility issues with keeping all the domain controllers in a domain atiF the same revision.  Pathworks 6.x reports it self as NT 3.51 on the NT	 displays.A  K It also allows you to give Administrative Rights to your resource domain tox5 people that are not Administrators in your NT domain.t  I Creating shares still seems to need to be done from the VMS command line. J After the share is created, the permissions can be manipulated from the NT GUI.  I One technique that I use is that I encrypt the password for an NT account K with administrative privileges and store the result as an Identifier with a, special prefix on it's name.  E On a BATCH only account (Could also be captive), I have the login.comaJ inspect the rights granted to it for that prefix, and decode the password.G It then logs into the NT domain.  (I have NO additional accounts in the  Pathworks Domain).  K I now have a method where suitably authorized VMS users can easily have DCLaL command files do work either on the NT domain or the local VMS cluster based* on information in the NT account database.  G While External Authentication gives you a single signon, this techniqueeG either gives you the ability to automatically create/remove NT users toA5 match your VMS configuration or the other way around.w  L Consider that you can easily parse the output of a SYSUAF list to a file forJ those users with a VMS right of "NT_DOMAIN_USR", and also parse the outputJ from the NT Domain for users that belong to the "VMS USER" group, and then reconcile them to your liking.  L Also, a privileged VMS account does not have to be logged into the PathworksD domain to manipulate the local account database for adding users, or changing passwords.l  K If you choose to make the Pathworks 6.x+ domain the account domain, and the J NT domain a resource domain, the same techniques can be used as above, andL the command line utilities can directly manipulate the SAM database with out logging in.-  L (At this time I do not know the minimum privilege level needed to manipulate< the local SAM database, since I do not have anything in it.)   -John- wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:59:19 +0100C+ From: "Tim Jackson" <tim.jackson@amsjv.com>o@ Subject: Problem re-joining Digital (Compaq) Patch Mailing Lists& Message-ID: <3975b39c$1@pull.gecm.com>  @ Can anyone help me?  Due to a change in my e-mail address I haveC unsubscribed to the patch mailing lists, but when I went to the URL L http://www.support.compaq.com/patches/mailing-list.html to re-join the listsI with my new e-mail, the page didn't (and still doesn't) appear to displaye the full instructions.   TIAe --D ------------------ Purely Personal Opinion -------------------------D Tim Jackson                                    tim.jackson@amsjv.com Air Systems Groupb Alenia Marconi Systems Ltd.a   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 07:19:44 GMTO From: ccburgess@uqstu.jdstory.uq.edu.au (Ian Burgess, University of Queensland)rO Subject: Re: Problem with autogen during post installation process on alpha kit . Message-ID: <8l3kqg$ip9$1@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au>  $  gigglegs@aol.com (Gigglegs) writes:K >   Hi  all , i am having problems installing open vms.  i am following thevM >open vms hobbiest guide kit(from montagar software concepts).  i was able to O >finish the basic installation .but post installation process after the bootingeI >the sytem fails to do post installation processing. I also tried running- >autogen from the prompt as in >0 >0 >$$$ @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN >A >There were errors similiar to1 >sys$system:agen$params.report  couldnt be  read.n? >%autogen-i-bad file  bad versions of sys$system:setparams.dat   >sys$manager:vmsimages.dat f > N >does anyone have a clue what is going on ? my machine is  an alphastation 2007 >4/233 4 GB hard disk  64 mb ram )  help is appreciatedo >v	 > thanks. , >ps : my email  address is ocel@aol.com       G It would help to have more accurate error messages, but what I think isd going on is...>  You're getting an error writing sys$system:agen$params.report The ?    %AUTOGEN-I-BADFILE, Bad versions of SYS$SYSTEM:SETPARAMS.DAThK is just an information message saying that since autogen aborted, there mayeN be partly written SYS$SYSTEM:SETPARAMS.DAT and/or SYS$SYSTEM:PARAMS.DAT and/or SYS$MANAGER:VMSIMAGES.DAT.  H Since you show the prompt as $$$, does that mean you are running autogen5 from a CD?  That would explain why it could not writet; sys$system:agen$params.report (or anything else to the CD).t  A Autogen will run automatically on first boot from your hard disk.      Cheers,         Ian uG -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- G Ian Burgess                                     I.Burgess@its.uq.edu.aueG Information Technology Services                 Phone:   61 7 336 54074  Prentice Building # The University of Queensland       - BRISBANE AUSTRALIA 4072J   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 02:04:35 -0400:* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>O Subject: Re: Problem with autogen during post installation process on alpha kit1- Message-ID: <397544F3.EFF8060F@tsoft-inc.com>a   Gigglegs wrote:: > Q >         Hi  all , i am having problems installing open vms.  i am following thesN > open vms hobbiest guide kit(from montagar software concepts).  i was able toP > finish the basic installation .but post installation process after the bootingJ > the sytem fails to do post installation processing. I also tried running > autogen from the prompt as inV >  > $$$ @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGENh  P The thing I see above that appears to be the problem is the triple '$'.  Are youM still running VMS off the CD? I believe that is what uses the $$$ prompt.  IfeK so, you cannot run AUTOGEN.  You must boot VMS off the system disk you just  created.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 08:27:45 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.293778.killspam.0223 (Wayne Sewell)yO Subject: Re: Problem with autogen during post installation process on alpha kitX. Message-ID: <D9P8mQPzfnkP@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  ^ In article <20000719010658.20001.00000877@ng-cf1.aol.com>, gigglegs@aol.com (Gigglegs) writes:Q >         Hi  all , i am having problems installing open vms.  i am following thenN > open vms hobbiest guide kit(from montagar software concepts).  i was able toP > finish the basic installation .but post installation process after the booting6 > the sytem fails to do post installation processing.   1 In what way is it failing?  Exact error messages?u   >I also tried running  > autogen from the prompt as ins >  >  > $$$ @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGENh >  > There were errors similiar toM2 > sys$system:agen$params.report  couldnt be  read.@ > %autogen-i-bad file  bad versions of sys$system:setparams.dat  > sys$manager:vmsimages.dat  > O > does anyone have a clue what is going on ? my machine is  an alphastation 200 8 > 4/233 4 GB hard disk  64 mb ram )  help is appreciated    K The triple-dollar prompt indicates that you are trying to run autogen afteraN booting from the cdrom, which means you are trying to adjust the parameters ofN vms on the cdrom, not the disk you installed vms on.  Since this is a readonlyN device, it is a little difficult to make changes to it.   The errors above areA related to the attempt to create files on a cdrom  (for instance, O sys$system:agen$params.report is an output file of autogen).   You have to bootbP from the disk you installed vms on and *then* enter the autogen command above.      N I realize you are having trouble with the boot from the hard disk, but that isK what you will have to work on.  The problem above is a red herring, and not  relevant to the actual problem.e   -- kO =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxF: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)aO ===============================================================================sO Otter, on dining with Bluto:"It's perfectly safe if you keep your arms and legsP 			away from his mouth."   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 06:37 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)y$ Subject: Re: speaking of performance- Message-ID: <19JUL200006374092@gerg.tamu.edu>y  ' mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu writes.../L }CPU clock speeds have been roaring upward - unless you happened to be usingJ }an Alpha - in which case they have not changed at all recently. Here is a6 }comparison of SPEC numbers for a few current models:  } , }  Model     Cint95         CFP95   CPU type1 }  DS10      24.6           47.9    466 Mhz 21264c1 }  XP1000    37.5           65.5    677 Mhz 21264r0 }  AMD?      42.9           29.4    1 Ghz Athlona }  Dell 420  38.7           33.6    800 Mhz PIII (I couldn't find any numbers for faster PIII's.)c } K }The Alphas are still holding their own in the floating point arena on "raw@I }power/CPU" measure.  Once you allow multiple machines into the equation,AB }the fp performance/$ figure (important when configuring Beowulfs): }is reasonably close between a Linux DS10 and an Athlon orG }PentiumIII, but lower for an XP1000 than for either x86 architecture. P } I }However on the integer front things are not looking very good.  Even thesL }XP1000 now lags the high end x86 architecture machines (by a hair), and theK }DS10 is completely out of the running, having been passed at 600Mhz by theM$ }PIII and at 550 Mhz by the Athlon.  } H }I wonder how long Compaq is going to let the Alpha stay stuck at these M }clock speeds before they bring out something faster?   I also wonder if any iK }of the current boxes will be upgradeable by a CPU swap, or if the upgrade ?F }path will require whole new motherboards, or even be possible at all. } 	 }Regards,l } 
 }David Mathoga }mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu@ }Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech   K The high end servers (GS series, both old and new) have CPUs up in the 700+ L MHz range. On the other hand, the fastest of them are clocked only about 10%) faster than the 667 MHz systems (so far).e  L The DS10 should probably be compared with the slowest CPU still made by eachK manufacturer, since it is the slowest Alpha made. You are comparing it withXJ high-end CPUs from AMD and Intel. If you pick only the fastest numbers forI the competition to compare the Alpha to, you should pick only the fastestt Alpha as well.  J The GHz P-III has a number on the SPEC 2000 page, as do some newer Alphas.I (Everybody but Sun seems to have switched, or be switching. There is onlyeF one Sun system on the CFP2000 page and it isn't their fastest system.)  D The DS20E 6/667 is currently the fastest thing on the CFP2000 chart.C It is also the fastest thing onthe CINT2000 chart, but not by much.r  B All of the following are in single CPU configurations, sorted from+ fastest to slowest based on the FP ratings.s  M                              CINT2000    CFP2000  (both are the base ratings)r, Compaq DS20E 6/667           424         514, HP 9000 Model N4000          367         338, IBM RS/6000 SP-375MHz T/W    248         330, SGI 2200 2X 400MHz R12k      320         319, AMD Microstar K7T Pro (1GHz) ?           290- Intel VC820 (1.0 GHz)        407         273 y, Sun Ultra 10 333MHz          133         126  , There is no AMD result on the CINT2000 page.  L As you can see, this shows the DS20E 6/667 as slightly faster on the IntegerN tests and a lot faster on the FP tests than anything else listed. If they madeM a version with a 733 MHz CPU, it would be perhaps 10% faster that the current M 6/667 model is. Intel is going to be announcing a 1.1GHz P-III real soon now,eI and it'll probably test slightly faster at Int than the DS20E (of course,aH your odds of actually being able to *buy* a system with such a CPU in itH before 2001 are not very good - they can barely ship a 1GHz CPU 5 monthsL after anouncing it). As it is, if you sort by the Int numbers instead of theN FP numbers, the 1GHz P-III comes in second instead of second-to-last (althoughJ the Althon might squeeze in ahead of it, if it had a rating, but I suspectI it wouldn't). Then the P-IV at 1.5 GHz (or so) is right around the cornerrH (although how tight the supply will be is, once again, a good question).  H I do have to wonder what happened to the 800+ MHz EV68 systems that wereG supposed to have been available by now. Wasn't the Alpha supposed to beu at a GHz by now?  / Isn't the 21364 due around the end of the year?j   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 16:19:48 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)3 Subject: Re: SQL+ODBC options, inexpensive or free? , Message-ID: <8l4kf5$35c@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  a In article <8ks95f$etd$1@soap.pipex.net>, "Chris Casey" <Chris.Casey@HendersonNOSPAM.com> writes:t >PL >Jeff Coffield wrote in message <396F6732.FAD1D23E@DigitalSynergyInc.com>... >>David Mathog wrote:a >>K >>> What are the options, if any, for a free (or very inexpensive) SQL+ODBCiH >>> program for OpenVMS Alpha?   One of my users has a project which mayK >>> require this, performance shouldn't be that big an issue, but cost willi >be. >>>aK >>> Am I the only one who finds it odd that the OpenVMS guys are working soDH >>> hard on Apache without, apparently, having provided in any way for a >server K >>> database smaller than RDB or Oracle?  I wonder what the intended marketo >isd >i >rL >There are certainly other (and far better) databases available on VMS which* >are cheaper and have much less footprint.G >I you want to see one which is taking market share from Oracle look ato >www.intersys.com. >N  J Aside from the lack of an ODBC/SQL gateway for the VMS version, this does H sound kind of interesting.  But there are no prices on their web pages. / Order of magnitude, what does this thing cost?     David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edur? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:55:32 -0400a+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> / Subject: RE: The URL that Compaq forgot to sendoJ Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284558@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   Andrew,i  I >>> The 32 CPU GS320 result was slower than a 24 CPU IBM S80 and just ~5%aI faster than the E10000 number which is a year older than the GS320 numberaG using old Sun CPU's and a version of Oracle 2 major releases behind the  Compaq number. >>>  L I am sure you know that this is just an early number based on early compilerJ and hardware. I think it would be safe to say that much better numbers are in the wings :-)   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant,
 Compaq Canadar Professional Servicess Voice : 613-592-4660 FAX   : 819-772-7036 Email : kerry.main@compaq.coma       -----Original Message-----' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy ! [mailto:andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com] % Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2000 7:13 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn+ Subject: The URL that Compaq forgot to sende        @ I was trawling through www.tpc.org (as one does) today and to my: suprise I noticed that Compaq has posted TPC-C results for; the GS160 and GS320, my suprise being that the results were > posted on the 11th and today is the 15th and yet I can find no: mention of them posted by any of the usual OpenVMS backing
 vocalists.  4 Then I read the results and everything became clear.  2 To be fair to Compq this is only TPC-C and you can9 read too much into what is a relatively simple benchmark, 6 however it does somewhat damage Compaqs claims to have" the fastest system one the planet.  4 The 32 CPU GS320 result was slower than a 24 CPU IBM7 S80 and just ~5% faster than the E10000 number which is : a year older than the GS320 number using old Sun CPU's and6 a version of Oracle 2 major releases behind the Compaq number.   4 The 16 CPU GS160 number was marginally faster than a4 smaller Sun E4500 and a Smaller HP N4000 while being6 slower than a smaller IBM M80. Not good and again both8 the Sun and the HP numbers are quite a lot older and the0 systems have improved in perfromance since then.  
 The URL is  http://www.tpc.org/whatsnew.html  9 What was the estimate posted to the group by one esteemed 5 Compaq watcher for the GS160, I remember 75,000 being  touted arround.o  = I guess this is an early and unwelcome lesson in the vagariesp; of forcasting NUMA systems performance charicteristics thatd6 Sequent learn't to their cost with the NUMA-Q systems.   Regardsn   Andrew Harrisono Enterprise IT Architecte   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:47:36 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> / Subject: Re: The URL that Compaq forgot to sendc( Message-ID: <8l4ih7$jf5$1@pyrite.mv.net>  4 Main, Kerry <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote in messageD news:910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284558@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com...	 > Andrew,c >tK > >>> The 32 CPU GS320 result was slower than a 24 CPU IBM S80 and just ~5%tK > faster than the E10000 number which is a year older than the GS320 numberiI > using old Sun CPU's and a version of Oracle 2 major releases behind then > Compaq number. >>> >wE > I am sure you know that this is just an early number based on early  compilerL > and hardware. I think it would be safe to say that much better numbers are > in the wings :-)  I "Early compiler"?  Just what new compiler features would be involved thatl2 weren't necessary for previous SMP configurations?  L And hasn't the hardware actually been fairly static for the better part of a year, save for bug-fixes?h  
 Just curious,l   - bill   >s
 > Regards, >a > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant, > Compaq Canadad > Professional Servicest > Voice : 613-592-4660 > FAX   : 819-772-7036 > Email : kerry.main@compaq.comc   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:11:14 +0200o2 From: Giles Watermeyer <Giles@WitsICAM.wits.ac.za> Subject: TimeZone information ; Message-ID: <62167214B0C4D311877E0090273F12419FF0@WITSICAM>t   Hi all,-  J We here at the University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg are currently0 running OpenVMS 6.2 on our Dec Alpha 1000 4/255.  I I am struggling to get our Time synchronisation to work properly.  I keep@% getting the following Operator error:D  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  18-JUL-2000 12:21:30.85  %%%%%%%%%%%  Message from user SYSTEM on ICAM< MultiNet Server: NTP: Clock is too far off -7231.772801 sec. [143.128.82.200]  L The reason I think is because of the TimeZone info.  which I can not seem to get working.  : I added the following line into the TIMEZONES.LOCAL files:  @ !       Zone Name       GMTOFF  RULES           Name    DST Name@ !       ---------       -----   -----           ----    -------- !n9 Zone    South-Africa    2:00    -               SAT     -   4 We are in South Africa which is GMT+2:00 I then ran:  3 MU SET /TIMEZONE SAT /FILES=MULTINET:TIMEZONS.LOCALd  L which did not return any errors.  I have not rebooted (I don't know if it is5 necessary).  But we are still getting the same error.   E If anyone has any idea of how I can fix this problem it would be mosti appreciated.   Many Thanksl   Giles Watermeyer ICAM System Administratoro- University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburgn Giles@witsICAM.wits.ac.za. TEL: +27 (11) 71-71872 FAX: +27 (11) 71-71871   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:09:31 +0200-5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl>A$ Subject: Re: Unable to see UCX proxy- Message-ID: <3975542B.B984AA19@whitehouse.nl>n   mapryan wrote:  < > So, I obviously need to reload the permanent database into/ > volatile memory. What ucx command does this ?    UCX> set ucx/signal    Oswald   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:12:06 GMTp% From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>a Subject: Re: Users of MANMAN) Message-ID: <8l3rcu$ae9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>r  ; In article <uz7d5.43030$fR2.391582@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com>,t0   "Dave Pampreen" <davepampreen@home.com> wrote:B > Just curious, any users of MANMAN which uses ORACLE CODASYL DBMS	 (formerlys > DEC-DBMS)i  ) Yes, there are a few of us about in c.o.v   7 Do you know about the MANMAN bulletin board at the usero$ group site (http://www.camus.org/) ?   --
 Alan Greig    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.e   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:29:56 +0000 (GMT)t, From: Bill McLaughlin <mcbill20@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: Users of MANMAN5 Message-ID: <F29kNvvivL4MvAwzGtt00002f95@hotmail.com>e  J I don't know what you are looking for, but I *used* to support MANMAN for K many years. The last site I worked with recently converted to Oracle. I do .2 still currently work with the CODASYL DBMS though.   Bill McLaughlin    >  >-----Original Message-----h9 >From: Dave Pampreen Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 7:33 PMJ >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >Subject: Users of MANMAN  >0 >:K >Just curious, any users of MANMAN which uses ORACLE CODASYL DBMS (formerlym
 >DEC-DBMS) >u >Daves >--------------- >Dave Pampreen >GKN Automotive, Inc.F >F >6 >t >t  H ________________________________________________________________________H Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:47:48 +0100l* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>, Subject: Re: VCC_MAXSIZE and 100 files total+ Message-ID: <8l410n$rrq@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>u  < "Mark Daniel" <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> wrote in message) news:39748F03.E48F3B45@wasd.vsm.com.au...e  E > I notice that the systems seem to stop caching files when the countiD > reaches 100 ($ SHOW MEMORY/CACHE/FULL) regardless of the amount ofA > free cache memory available.  Is this a fixed limit or is thereeH > something else I can adjust to increase the total number cached files?  P It's fixed. Note the limit is on closed files, not total files. According to the/ roadmap, this will change in XFC 1.0 (VMS 7.3).n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:34:04 -0400J$ From: Scott Brooks <SBROOKS@psu.edu>4 Subject: VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Character1 Message-ID: <s9759235.032@hmcpsugwia.hmc.psu.edu>n  J Is there a way in a VMS Com file to write a Form Feed to character to an = output file? =20  
 Extra Detail:7L I found I can use CTRL + L in Edit/TPU to add the form feed character to a =L file.  But I can't find how to do the equivalent via DCL commands in a com =; file.  I tried the following code but it also did not work:o> PAGE_EJECT =3D %X0C      ! ASCII Page Eject character (Hex 0C)# OPEN/WRITE OUT01_FILE SCOTTJUNK.TXT  WRITE OUT01_FILE 'PAGE_EJECT CLOSE OUT01_FILEH This gave a 12 instead of a form feed command when looking at the file =L with Edit/TPU.  Lastly, I looked at escape sequences in SYS$SYSTEM:SMGTERMS=% .TXT, but that didn't shed any light.a' We are running Open VMS on a Dec Alpha.a   Thanks,d   Scottd   Scott Brooks Information Technology Hershey Medical Center   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:56:36 +0100p* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>8 Subject: Re: VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Character+ Message-ID: <8l4j3m$kve@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   ] "Scott Brooks" <SBROOKS@psu.edu> wrote in message news:s9759235.032@hmcpsugwia.hmc.psu.edu...eW >Is there a way in a VMS Com file to write a Form Feed to character to an output >file?t  = >PAGE_EJECT = %X0C      ! ASCII Page Eject character (Hex 0C)e  % What you want is PAGE_EJECT[0,8] = 12o It's buried away under HELP =.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:11:33 -0400tR From: jamese@beast.dtsw.army.mil (Ed James, 410-295-1919, ed.james@telecomsys.com)8 Subject: Re: VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Character0 Message-ID: <00071912113337@beast.dtsw.army.mil>  M Scott Brooks <SBROOKS@psu.edu> wrote in <s9759235.032@hmcpsugwia.hmc.psu.edu> # on Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:34:04 -0400:=  L > Is there a way in a VMS Com file to write a Form Feed to character to an = > output file? =20 >  > Extra Detail:fN > I found I can use CTRL + L in Edit/TPU to add the form feed character to a =N > file.  But I can't find how to do the equivalent via DCL commands in a com == > file.  I tried the following code but it also did not work:=> > PAGE_EJECT = %X0C      ! ASCII Page Eject character (Hex 0C)% > OPEN/WRITE OUT01_FILE SCOTTJUNK.TXTm > WRITE OUT01_FILE 'PAGE_EJECT                    ^ Remove the apostrophe.     > CLOSE OUT01_FILEJ > This gave a 12 instead of a form feed command when looking at the file =N > with Edit/TPU.  Lastly, I looked at escape sequences in SYS$SYSTEM:SMGTERMS=' > .TXT, but that didn't shed any light.o) > We are running Open VMS on a Dec Alpha.h  : Ed James                           ed.james@telecomsys.com5 TeleCommunications Systems, Inc.   voice 410-295-1919 5 275 West Street, Suite 400         fax   410-280-1094  Annapolis, MD 21401-1740   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:24:04 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>l8 Subject: Re: VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Character( Message-ID: <3975D624.33D0F18B@mmaz.com>   $   ff[0,8] = 12 $   write out ff  . assuming that you've open out for write access   Barry    Scott Brooks wrote:   W > Is there a way in a VMS Com file to write a Form Feed to character to an output file?u >) > Extra Detail:c > I found I can use CTRL + L in Edit/TPU to add the form feed character to a file.  But I can't find how to do the equivalent via DCL commands in a com file.  I tried the following code but it also did not work:s> > PAGE_EJECT = %X0C      ! ASCII Page Eject character (Hex 0C)% > OPEN/WRITE OUT01_FILE SCOTTJUNK.TXTa > WRITE OUT01_FILE 'PAGE_EJECT > CLOSE OUT01_FILE > This gave a 12 instead of a form feed command when looking at the file with Edit/TPU.  Lastly, I looked at escape sequences in SYS$SYSTEM:SMGTERMS.TXT, but that didn't shed any light. ) > We are running Open VMS on a Dec Alpha.s >,	 > Thanks,u >a > Scottt >i > Scott Brooks > Information Technology > Hershey Medical Center   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028d   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:23:55 +0000 (GMT)h, From: Bill McLaughlin <mcbill20@hotmail.com>8 Subject: Re: VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Character5 Message-ID: <F866lCPx33E1ioWwr2U00003679@hotmail.com>s   Try this instead:a  C $ PAGE_EJECT[0,7] = %X0C      ! ASCII Page Eject character (Hex 0C) % $ OPEN/WRITE OUT01_FILE SCOTTJUNK.TXTt$ $ WRITE/SYMBOL OUT01_FILE PAGE_EJECT   or" $ WRITE OUT01_FILE "''PAGE_EJECT'" $ CLOSE OUT01_FILE   Bill McLaughlint >l >-----Original Message----- : >From: Scott Brooks Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 9:34 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com5 >Subject: VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Characteru >y >mI >Is there a way in a VMS Com file to write a Form Feed to character to an 
 >output file?e >s >Extra Detail:K >I found I can use CTRL + L in Edit/TPU to add the form feed character to abK >file.  But I can't find how to do the equivalent via DCL commands in a comm< >file.  I tried the following code but it also did not work:= >PAGE_EJECT = %X0C      ! ASCII Page Eject character (Hex 0C)s$ >OPEN/WRITE OUT01_FILE SCOTTJUNK.TXT >WRITE OUT01_FILE 'PAGE_EJECT  >CLOSE OUT01_FILE L >This gave a 12 instead of a form feed command when looking at the file withL >Edit/TPU.  Lastly, I looked at escape sequences in SYS$SYSTEM:SMGTERMS.TXT,  >but that didn't shed any light.( >We are running Open VMS on a Dec Alpha. >6 >Thanks, >n >Scott >t
 >Scott Brooks0 >Information Technology  >Hershey Medical Center7 >  >g >y >s >  >t  H ________________________________________________________________________H Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:27:15 -0400G- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>s8 Subject: Re: VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Character, Message-ID: <3975E4EC.E4410A8B@videotron.ca>   Richard Brodie wrote:e_ > "Scott Brooks" <SBROOKS@psu.edu> wrote in message news:s9759235.032@hmcpsugwia.hmc.psu.edu...tY > >Is there a way in a VMS Com file to write a Form Feed to character to an output >file?o > ? > >PAGE_EJECT = %X0C      ! ASCII Page Eject character (Hex 0C)h > ' > What you want is PAGE_EJECT[0,8] = 12   > It's buried away under HELP =.  N Interestingly, $ HELP =   doesn't work, it yields an error message ! (you have1 to type HELP, then, at the Topic ? prompt, type =n     Another way of doing this is:V with TPU   WRITE SYS$OUTPUT " then <CTRL-V><CTRL-L> then "  F this will have WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "#"  where the # will be the form feed4 character. Note that it will be followed by a CR-LF.  M In TPU/EVE, CTRL-V allows you to enter just about any control character. (buta	 not all).D   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 17:38:40 GMT8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)8 Subject: Re: VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Character6 Message-ID: <8l4p30$fse$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   $ form_feed = f$fao("!^")E  @ should also put a form feed character into the symbol form_feed.   -- tK     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USAnF          (hammond@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 07:51:08 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.293778.killspam.0223 (Wayne Sewell)n) Subject: Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?l. Message-ID: <VdcOWKHIZC5j@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  h In article <5w1d5.71$%e1.2166@typhoon.aracnet.com>, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes:M > OK, this is a stupid question...  Does OpenVMS have the equivalent of linksm > in UNIX?    J Depends on which type of link you mean.  I have heard that eunuchs has twoL types, "hard" and "soft".  I have no idea of how they work or the differenceH between them, but apparently the "set file/enter" of vms is more or less equivalent to one of them.  C >To the best of my knowledge it doesn't, but I figured I'd ask.  In,L > this case logicals aren't the answer since I want the file to show up in a! > couple spots in the filesystem.M  I That sounds like something set file/enter can do.  As always, you must be   careful with this sort of thing.   -- FO ===============================================================================sM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxe: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)>O ===============================================================================rO Otter, on dining with Bluto:"It's perfectly safe if you keep your arms and legst 			away from his mouth."   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 14:54:44 GMT/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> ) Subject: Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?O* Message-ID: <8l4ffk$fd5$2@news1.Radix.Net>  3 Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote:   C >   Others have mentioned the SET FILE/ENTER (and /REMOVE) command,jD >   but realize that this is limited to the same disk volume.  This D >   tool is most closely related to a UNIX hard link.  There is someC >   other work going on that may well provide more UNIX-like links eI >   within the file system, but any expected release of this new support tA >   is still a while out (probably after V7.3, for most folks)...b  E is there a reliable way to tell how many times a file's been entered?.C (I recall not seeing this when I used VMS - it was a good reason to  not try using that feature).   -- h= Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>  http://dickey.his.comt ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:02:54 -0400t' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>t) Subject: Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?d( Message-ID: <8l4jdn$kf1$1@pyrite.mv.net>  @ David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message' news:3974FF89.DF1FC63A@earthlink.net...l > "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > >r$ > > OK, this is a stupid question... >i > No, it isn't.n >h- > > Does OpenVMS have the equivalent of linkstL > > in UNIX?  To the best of my knowledge it doesn't, but I figured I'd ask. InL > > this case logicals aren't the answer since I want the file to show up in aw# > > couple spots in the filesystem.0 >eB > Well, you must first understand that unlike UN*X, VMS deals with? > physically separate disk volumes, while UN*X views the entireiD > "filesystem" as a single resource, regardless of how many physical > volumes actually comprise it.o  K My impression is that unix 'hard links' are pretty much equivalent to VMS'suK ability to associate multiple directory entries with the same file ID - and:D are thus similarly limited to linkage on the same physical (possiblyE multi-disk) volume just as VMS's are.  And AFAIK VMS doesn't have any9J equivalent to Unix 'soft links' (which may be able to point to a system inJ another galaxy, since they contain a full file spec).  So I'm not sure theI above is relevant, save for the possibility that on Unix the inability tonB create a hard link to something that appears in the same directoryK structure - because it's in fact on some other volume - could be confusing.u   > F > As Hoff already explained, you may not really want to do what you're > proposing. >h< > > Not a real problem, I'm just wondering if it's possible. >"F > Well, it is and it isn't. As Hoff explained, you can use what othersI > have suggested (SET FILE/ENTER) within physical volumes, but not acrossbJ > them. Also, unlike UN*X, there is no (convenient, easy, efficient, etc.)0 > way to locate a file and all of its "aliases".  L I didn't know that facility existed in Unix (for either hard or soft links),F though of course one could be brute-forced by performing an exhaustiveG search of the file structure.  Soft links certainly can 'dangle' if the G target file is deleted.  My impression is that this can happen with VMSZL 'hard link' equivalents as well, whereas Unix maintains a 'hard links count'K in the inode (file header) so that a file is actually deleted only when theaG last hard link is removed (makes quota management interesting, though).r   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 16:21:42 GMT/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net>M) Subject: Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?s* Message-ID: <8l4kim$lhc$1@news1.Radix.Net>  & Bill Todd <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote:  G >> Well, it is and it isn't. As Hoff explained, you can use what othersoJ >> have suggested (SET FILE/ENTER) within physical volumes, but not acrossK >> them. Also, unlike UN*X, there is no (convenient, easy, efficient, etc.) 1 >> way to locate a file and all of its "aliases".-  N > I didn't know that facility existed in Unix (for either hard or soft links),H > though of course one could be brute-forced by performing an exhaustiveI > search of the file structure.  Soft links certainly can 'dangle' if thea  $ it doesn't - that's what "lsof" does  I > target file is deleted.  My impression is that this can happen with VMSa  @ The first time I encountered softlinks was an SVr2 system, which; had no way to distinguish between the file and links to it. 3 (the documentation did caution users about this ;-)n  N > 'hard link' equivalents as well, whereas Unix maintains a 'hard links count'M > in the inode (file header) so that a file is actually deleted only when the I > last hard link is removed (makes quota management interesting, though).   F If there's no clue that an entry is a link, it's probably more trouble* to use than you would want to put up with.   -- r= Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>t http://dickey.his.coms ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 17:16:24 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)) Subject: Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?$6 Message-ID: <8l4np8$fir$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  \ In article <8l4ffk$fd5$2@news1.Radix.Net>, Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> writes:F :is there a reliable way to tell how many times a file's been entered?  J   Match up the duplicated FIDs, during ANALYZE/DISK/LIST or DIRECTORY/FILEI   or some other tool making direct or indirect access to the index file.  I   I'm not aware of a count maintained anywhere, and there may or may not  ;   still be a "primary" alias entry left around on the disk.9  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:04:31 +0000 (   )h3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>e) Subject: Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?AJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10007191649190.18850-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  # On 19 Jul 2000, Wayne Sewell wrote:1  j > In article <5w1d5.71$%e1.2166@typhoon.aracnet.com>, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes:O > > OK, this is a stupid question...  Does OpenVMS have the equivalent of links- > > in UNIX?    L > Depends on which type of link you mean.  I have heard that eunuchs has twoN > types, "hard" and "soft".  I have no idea of how they work or the differenceJ > between them, but apparently the "set file/enter" of vms is more or less > equivalent to one of them.  F Yeah, FYI, the set file/enter command seems to be simmilar to a "hard"E link, which is not often used since "soft" (more properly "symbolic")  links were invented.  D The "hard" link is another entry in the filesystem that has the sameI "space" allocated to it as an entry that you're linking to  -- both files E are literally the same thing.  On unix you'd need privelege for this.a  F The "symbolic" links are little "special files" that contain somethingB that says to the o/s "the file you're looking for is actually overE here..."  Any disk operation performed on a symbolic link is actuallylI redirected, then, and performed on the file that the link is pointing to.-  F The advantage of this is that you can easilly tell what is a link, andI where it's linked to most of the time, you don't require extra privelege,eI you're not modifying the filesystem quite so directly (It's not nearly aseI dangerous...), and you can have links across different devices, since thefD links function by tree-structure (i.e. one file contains the path to- another) instead of modifying the filesystem.I  H The disadvantage is that the link isn't inseverably tied to the file, soJ that if you move the file, the link will fail.  There are also (very rare)H programs that don't like symbolic links -- these same applications wouldD not tell the difference with a hard link, obviously.  There's also aB tendancy among unix people to make symbolic links to the directory  containing a link, for instance:  ) We have a directory that looks like this:t  
 README.TXT whodo.sh  ? Two files, plus the implied "." and ".." (current, and previous  directory).   H Unix won't complain if you make a symbolic link to the file "." (current
 directory)   So then we have:  
 README.TXT whodo.sh	 UhOh -> .i  @ What do you suppose will happen if you start a program that willA recursively perform some function (a backup!?) on this particulartF directory?  Assuming that the program will follow symbolic links (mostF will...), we'll then operate on the same directory hundreds (more?) ofG times before the program gets confused and thinks the directory tree ise
 too deep.   I I find myself wondering how many of these properties are present with thed# set file/enter command, actually...-   Regards,   Chris1  O ===============================================================================9@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmer. Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL..% -------------------------------------hI "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and H weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 TO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:32:48 -0700 7 From: "Arthur E. Ragosta" <ragosta@merlin.arc.nasa.gov>C Subject: Re: VMS fortunes?3 Message-ID: <3975CA20.C779DFE1@merlin.arc.nasa.gov>   
 Dan wrote:  H > I remember many moons ago, (in university) when logging in, we used toD > get a unix style "fortunes" (message of the day), one of those odd > random sayings.i >PG > I will likely assume this was a sysadmin add-on, and not something in  > VMS that is inherent.lE > Do I have to cobble my own together or is there something out there  > (maybe a stupid question)? >s > Things like: >cI > debugging programs is fun. so is running head-first into brick walls... F > Play it again Sam. The magtape reel just fell off the magtape drive.< > If the system time is wrong, maybe my clock needs winding. >y > and such other fun.m >c > Dan. >c& > ---There are always possibilities...   Check my web site:  ,   http://afdd.arc.nasa.gov/afdd/rsd/misc.htm  F There is a fortune cookie called "cookie" as well as a number of other
 useful tools.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:26:05 -0400o- From: Jonathan Boswell <jsb@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>a Subject: Re: VMS fortunes?0 Message-ID: <3975C88D.51EDAD8E@ost.cdrh.fda.gov>   Steven Shamlian wrote: > - > I'm interested!  Let us know where to look.o  R >> Then I wrote a DCL procedure that used the random number generator from the VMSM >> FAQ and voila: instant fortune.  My database currently contains 500 famousaP >> quotes, clever maxims, silly fortunes, and quite a few offensive remarks. Let< >> me know if you are interested and I'll make it available.  ; Here you go: http://newtrumpet.org/jsb/fortune/fortune.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:57:13 -0400s* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: VMS hackers challenge, Message-ID: <3975C1C9.CBF9583@tsoft-inc.com>  P Some time ago (several years) I received an e-mail from someone who had run suchP a challenge on his VMS system.  Can't remember the name.  Thought I had filed itN away, but now cannot find it.  (I try to blame this on the billy-box I use for7 e-mail, but old age and senility may be more to blame.)a  7 Can anyone remember who had run this challenge/contest?m   Dave   -- i4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:29:10 GMT + From: a.koopman@markgraaf.nl (Adri Koopman)A# Subject: Wanted: Spare mVAX 3100-80e. Message-ID: <397571f8.78676540@news.hccnet.nl>  	 Hi there,a  F We're in the middle of a migration frm VMS to WNT, using a mVAX3100-80@ as conversion machine. Unfortunately, this old one has a lack ofA memory (only 40MB installed), whereas the machine needs much moreeE memory to perform. We don't want to spent a lot of money to buy (hardoD to find) mVAX3100-80 memory, so if anyone has a spare mVAX 3100-80 I would hear from you.  5 Our company is located in Amsterdam, the Netherlands.    TIAJ   Adri Koopman Markgraaf B.V. a.koopman@markgraaf.nl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:24:35 -0400d% From: "Islandco" <sales@islandco.com>E8 Subject: We need your KZPAC-Cx RAID Controllers Urgently/ Message-ID: <snbaeond1nk152@corp.supernews.com>o  F If you have any Mylex based RAID controllers, we need to hear from you  7 We need a quantity of KZPAC-Cx  (aka Mylex DAC960PDU-3)_  E These are the 3 channel  SCSI Ultra Wide Controller with DEC Part No.r KZPAC-XxF The Intel version or other OEM version of this card is also acceptable  ) The Symbios chips should be marked 53c770M  . Please call or email us if you have 1 or a qty  * We are paying $400 each for them - working  . We can also trade with you for other equipment   Thanks   Davide   Island Computers US Corporation> 2700 Gregory Streets	 Suite 1503 Savannah GA 31404u Tel: 912 447 6622r Fax: 912 201 0096m sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com  C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andtJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.H They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyK are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient,nG please notify Island Computers US Corp immediately and then delete thisn message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingt of this message is prohibited.   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 07:27 CSTo' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)e% Subject: Re: Web browser and VMS mail-- Message-ID: <19JUL200007275744@gerg.tamu.edu>T  = "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz> writes...c@ }"Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message1 }news:8l2j28$6pr$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com...f }>F }> In article <OJ3d5.38491$N4.1489483@ozemail.com.au>, "Antony Wardle", }<antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz> writes:? }> :Has anyone tried reading their vms mail from a web browser?m }>
 }>   Ayup. }> }> :I was at a CMQ...h }> }>   CMQ?  Compaq? } E }I wanted a tla for compaq like DEC. I thought that CMQ was the stock-	 }exchange-H }code, but I just checked and I couldn't find it. I couldn't find Compaq }either.   CPQ3  K }>   Rather simple to implement this via DCL CGI or otherwise, but probablyWL }>   not a UI that I would (personally) choose.  I'm not a fan of using httpH }>   for interactive stuff, the interface and the tools are targeted forF }>   point-and-grunt with minimum user input, and a whole lot of stuffL }>   around it (Javascript, Java, or J-random virus implementation language)H }>   is required to add back in the interactive and UI capabilities of aC }>   local tool accessing the mail via POP3, IMAP, or similar, etc.i }>2 }>    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering } J }I wasn't after a way of replacing pop3, but more for enabling a person to }check theirM }email from a cybercafe, when overseas on holiday, rather than having to dial  }in.  J I just did this (although it was more to allow mail access when people areJ away on business, at conferences and that sort of thing). I have it set up to use SSL.=   Web server: OSU= Mail software: yahMAIL SSL: OpenSSL  J Getting this to work took a bit of work. If you are using a recent versionJ of VMS and the C compiler it should just work. I was, of course, making it. work under Alpha VMS V6.1 with DEC C V5.5-002.  N I had to make one minor alteration to OpenSSL: the name of a structure elementD in the part that logs errors via operator messages does not exist inD VMS 6.1, so I changed it - SSL now compiles and works, but has neverE logged and operator message so I don't know if that actually works...   L I also had to make several alterations to yahMAIL, all due to C RTL issues -J in fact, 2 out of 3 types of errors were due to fprintf issues and the 3rdM was an sprintf issue. There was a problem with long output in one place whichtH lost a few dozen bytes in the middle of data from a single fprintf, so IM split it into two fprintf statments. Also fprintf did not deal well with nullwL pointers - if passed a null pointer for a %s argument it had an ACCVIO as itJ tried to use a string starting at virtual address 0, so I put in tests forJ every string parameter (there are a lot of these - thank heavens for cut &K paste!). There was also an incorrect format string in a sprintf() involvinggI an unnecessarily escaped "#" character. (YahMAIL also throws vast numberskK of warning when compiled with /WARN=ENABLE=ALL, mostly but not entirely dueyL to innumerable cases of ignoring the return value of functions. These, and aM lot of the others, are due to some rather questionable coding practices - butfK questionable practices or not, it does work once the version related issuesdI were dealt with. My suggestion to the author of the program: compile withiO /WARN=ENABLE=ALL and fix everything so that you get no output from doing this.)   I Note that if you do this, anyone who uses the web e-mail interface pretty M much needs to stop using POP or things will, at best, be confusing to people. K Switching to IMAP and keeping the mail in folders on the server should givewG much better results, allowing all of the mail to be visible from both atJ standard e-mail client and the web interface. The other option is to forceK anybody who wants to use the web based e-mail to use only that, and not anyfH other e-mail client (but they probably won't like this due to the lesser! functionality of the web e-mail).c   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:01:00 -0400i- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>k% Subject: Re: Web browser and VMS mailt/ Message-ID: <snbk6r1i6tt100@corp.supernews.com>d   Hoff Hoffman wrote in messagen- <8l2j28$6pr$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>...a >s >...E >  not a UI that I would (personally) choose.  I'm not a fan of usinge httpF >  for interactive stuff, the interface and the tools are targeted forD >  point-and-grunt with minimum user input, and a whole lot of stuff@ >  around it (Javascript, Java, or J-random virus implementation	 language)uF >  is required to add back in the interactive and UI capabilities of a >...A >  Do not forget the end-user needs in the excitement and rush tot new(er)lE >  technologies: I've seen more than a few horrendous UI designs over  thesA >  years -- many being based on the then-latest and greatest (andt oftenbA >  more complex) widget -- and designs that replaced a simple andn	 effective A >  existing design at great cost and pain.  (But once in a while,t somebody >...  F Too bad not everyone at Compaq follows Hoff's thinking. The DSN modems. were down the other week and I had to use WIS.C ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!a  @ A few days latter one of the networking people asked if we stillF needed the DSN line and modem. I explained what we use it for and thatB we still needed it. His reply was that the other operating systemsF around here are replacing their dedicated modems with HTTP interfaces,2 I told him "That's why I'm happy I work with VMS."   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:46:02 GMTe/ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>n/ Subject: Re: Wish List:  I/O vs. CPU Priorities.E Message-ID: <_2kd5.6852$iP.752198@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>a  I I don't mean to be argumentative, but I don't think anyone mentioned thatSL this is implemented in other OSs;  but rather that it causes us (VMS people)C problems, and we would like to see it implemented in VMS.  There isaD nothing to say that we can only have features after someone else has them first.i  A I have no idea how VMS engineering could best implement this, butr I use a  very crude DCL loop:a   $on warning then $exit $loop: $set proc/susp/id='p1i $wait 00:00:0'p2 $set proc/nosups/id='p1a $wait 00:00:0'p3 $goto startt  D Crude, but it does most of what I need, but I have to first detect a" process and then enter the command  7 "Rob Young" <young_r@eisner.decus.org> wrote in messagee% news:epfJDom59N1G@eisner.decus.org...mB > In article <3975011A.EC2A4C9@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera"% <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:h >  > > D > > Actually, what Richard mentioned remains the bane of the OpenVMSE > > SysAdmin's job: you can impact the CPU scheduler, but there is nonK > > accessible mechanism to prioritize the I/O traffic at the level he (anda( > > others in his predicament) requires. > > L > > By adjusting process priorities you can, to a limited degree, adjust theG > > number of I/O requests a process can enque for any given time span.-D > > However, once enqueued, they all seem to have (roughly) the same
 > > priority.H > >o >a > David, >R8 > Can you or someone point out a concrete example of how7 > this feature exists in another OS?  I'm interested in2: > trying to understand this but don't quite "get it", yet. >i	 > Thanks,h >  > Robb >w   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:33:08 -0500e0 From: Patrick Spinler <Spinler.Patrick@Mayo.EDU>/ Subject: Re: Wish List:  I/O vs. CPU Prioritiesa( Message-ID: <3975CA34.4414B185@Mayo.EDU>   Rob Young wrote: > h > In article <3975011A.EC2A4C9@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes: >  > David, > @ >         Can you or someone point out a concrete example of how? >         this feature exists in another OS?  I'm interested incB >         trying to understand this but don't quite "get it", yet. >   E Here's something reasonably close in functionality, although probablyc. not as flexible, and only for network traffic.     8.6.  Traffic Shaping9  G   The traffic shaper is a virtual network device that makes it possible1F   to limit the rate of outgoing data flow over another network device.B   This is specially useful in scenarios (as ISP's), in which it isH   desirable to control and enforce policies regarding how much bandwidth   is used by each client.n  $ Snipped from a Linux HOWTO document.   -- Pat   -- "?       This message does not represent the policies or positionsn1 	      of the Mayo Foundation or its subsidaries.t3   Patrick Spinler			email:	Spinler.Patrick@Mayo.EDUe'   Mayo Foundation			phone:	507/284-9485n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 02:12:37 +0001f( From: Netspace <team_netspace@email.com>! Subject: Your Home Business Opptyo- Message-ID: <0FXX000ETKWPED@mx.west.saic.com>    NOW OPPORTUNITY DOESN'T KNOCK,
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