1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 20 Jul 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 402       Contents: Re: Alpha PWS500a(u): ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR (was Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?)- Re: ANNOUNCING: MegaPOVRay v0.5a For OpenVMS.  Apache for VMS on UCX4.2# backup/image but restore otherwise? ' Re: backup/image but restore otherwise? ' Re: backup/image but restore otherwise?  Re: bash on VMS  Re: bash on VMS  Cluster node isn't.  Re: Cluster node isn't.  Re: Cluster node isn't. " Re: DCPS support for Tek printers? DECdtm Alpha 7.1 Dicky API? $ Re: Differences in Fortran versions? Re: Displaying all directories Re: Does VMS have links ? RE: DSNlink, modems and WIS (was: Re: Web browser and VMS mail)  FS: 2x AlphaServer 4100  Hardware Inventory Re: Henry Ford turnover , How to make HP printer talk to VMS/Multinet?0 Re: How to make HP printer talk to VMS/Multinet?! Re: How to Reset a DECServer 90L+ 0 I need a precise definition of "layered product" Re: IDE CD-ROM audio support? + RE: Importing a VMS 5.5-2 sysuaf.dat to 7.2 + Re: Importing a VMS 5.5-2 sysuaf.dat to 7.2 + Re: Importing a VMS 5.5-2 sysuaf.dat to 7.2 0 Re: Importing sysuaf.lis to Echange - SAM - FILE0 Re: Importing sysuaf.lis to Echange - SAM - FILE0 Re: Importing sysuaf.lis to Echange - SAM - FILE Intraserver SCSI Controllers Re: Lexical F$GETJPI. RE: Limit a UIC group access to a number of 50. RE: Limit a UIC group access to a number of 50. RE: Limit a UIC group access to a number of 50. Re: Limit a UIC group access to a number of 50 Re: Netscape Access Violation  Re: Netscape Access Violation ! Odd f$getjpi results on WSEXTENTS  Re: OpenVMS/Alpha and PERL* Re: Pathworks v6.0B and its administration  Question on MX mailer relay file report distribution  Re: report distribution  Re: report distribution  Re: scheduling: Re: Summer 2000 OpenVMS TIMES Now Available on CPQ Website: Re: Summer 2000 OpenVMS TIMES Now Available on CPQ Website Re: Sun may GPL StarOffice Re: Sun may GPL StarOffice Telnet to VMS appears to freeze ! Re: UCX 4.2 -> TCPIP 5.0A upgrade # Re: VCC_MAXSIZE and 100 files total # Re: VCC_MAXSIZE and 100 files total # Re: VCC_MAXSIZE and 100 files total / Re: VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Character ; Re: VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Character --- THANKS!   Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?  Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'? Re: VMS fortunes?  Re: Web browser and VMS mail- [Fwd: FW: Wish List:  I/O vs. CPU Priorities]  [Fwd: OpenVMS/Alpha and PERL] 4 [SUM] What SCSI tapes drives does VMS 5.5-2 support?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 14:21:56 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.293778.killspam.0223 (Wayne Sewell)  Subject: Re: Alpha PWS500a(u) . Message-ID: <6pLjWXwvT1gt@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  V In article <snb9u26u1nk73@corp.supernews.com>, "Islandco" <sales@islandco.com> writes:K > When I posted this auction I was required to put in a price as a starting  > bid  > I > If one enters, say $900 - then people don't want to even make an offer.  >   M And they are going to rush to do so if it says 900 in the body of the auction M instead?  If the price is fixed, the price is fixed.  What difference does it C make if the fixed price appears in the starting bid field or in the  description?  N The most you can do with a starting bid below your fixed price is trick peopleI into looking at the auction, since only the starting bid will appear in a L search or other form of list.  Then when they see the fixed price, they willO simply blow off the auction if that price is more than they are willing to pay.       D I don't think you understand the concept of an auction or why peopleL participate in them.  What is the point in going through all of that hassle,N waiting for days to know if you will win, if you know in advance you are goingI to pay list price?  The whole idea is the chance of getting something for K *less* than list price.  If you want to pay a fixed price, it is simpler to L just call a dealer, place an order, and be done with it.  You get the item a lot quicker that way, too.  M Not only that, but doing it your way, one can wind up paying *more* than list M price, because you have to deal with the other bidders.  If list price is the N *starting* point, then obviously you will have to pay more than that to win if anybody else bids at all.       J > The fact that there is a reserve price irritates many people as they are+ > unaware of  the real value of the product  > L > Ergo - tell people how much for a system - then they can either take it or
 > leave it > D > I hate games - but this Ebay deal is the best form of advetising - > especially for $2.00 >   J Unless you repeatedly lose your two dollars because nobody bid.  ebay willO charge you for the auction whether the item sells or not.  Do that enough times : with enough products and maybe it's not so cost efficient.   Wayne    --  O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== O Otter, on dining with Bluto:"It's perfectly safe if you keep your arms and legs  			away from his mouth."   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:42:45 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> C Subject: ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR (was Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?) - Message-ID: <39766725.5C7607E9@earthlink.net>   = Y'know, this "links" discussion raised a question in my mind:   B Since the file header indicates the FID of the directory where theH "primary" entry should be found, why does VERIFY (the program behind theH ANALYZE/DISK command) put a "lost" file (a file with no directory entry)E into [SYSLOST] instead of the file's original directory (assuming the  directory still exists)?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 19:13:11 GMT9 From: markus.becker@student.uni-siegen.de (Markus Becker) 6 Subject: Re: ANNOUNCING: MegaPOVRay v0.5a For OpenVMS.5 Message-ID: <8l4uk7$3j82u$3@ID-30313.news.cis.dfn.de>    Carl Perkins wrote:   K >Blame the person who wrote the radiosity related stuff - as far as I could N >tell when I did a port a few years back, that was the only part that requiredF >IEEE floats. Why does it require them? Because it does direct bitwiseG >operations on the floating point data. I have no idea why. Everybody I   D It does *what*? This is not only a bad thing, it's A Bad Thing (BT)!1 Erm, and besides, Vaxen can't handle IEEE-floats?   M >In theory, you should be able to build POV on a VAX and have everything work O >except radiosity. You could either trim that out of the program, or just build < >it and expect trouble if you ever try to use the radiosity.  @ Shouldn't it be possible to rewrite the bit-manipulating code toE something useful (i.e. normal floating point instructions)? Currently 3 I'm in the mood to offer to volunteer in this task. , After all, the bit-operations could only be:  , a) Masking (equivalent to modulo operations)" b) Shifting and rotating (mul/div)  G both of mantissa and exponent. Except when it uses it to calculate some A logarithm base two, I can't think of a scenario where it would be ? faster than normal FPU instructions (just speaking of x86 here)   @ If someone of the "core" POV-Knowers could point me in the right= direction I'ld look up the code and decide if I do the "job". E I have quite a good knowledge how POV works internally, some ten year F programming experience, but have up to now never taken the time to getE POV to compile on my system (Win NT, MSVC++ 1.52 to 6.2). So I need a  little help in *this* task.    Markus   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:43:35 GMT  From: twirt@kittles.com ! Subject: Apache for VMS on UCX4.2 ) Message-ID: <8l5auj$f8f$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   G Has anyone tried the latest beta of Apache for VMS on VMS with UCX 4.2? G I installed it today on VMS 7.1-1h2 and UCX 4.2 ECO 4.  I can start the H server, but I can not connect even via telnet port 80.  I have never put? up a VMS Web server before so I am figuring that I probably did E something wrong.  OTOH it is not yet tested in a UCX 4.2 environment,  so maybe it does not work.  D I am planning on upgrading to TCP 5.0x soon, but I want to do my web! serving from VMS not from Wintel.   E Does anyone know of an older version of Apache that runs with VMS 7.1 & and UCX 4.2?  Any help is appreciated.   Good to be back,   Thomas Wirt  twirt@kittles.com     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 03:03:29 GMT 0 From: gilley@nospam.bravewc.com (Charles Gilley), Subject: backup/image but restore otherwise?> Message-ID: <MXtd5.5162$2M5.158291@news-west.usenetserver.com>  L If I perform an image backup on a disk, can I then restore only part of the N image?  I don't think there is anything special to the saveset, but my vax is  not in front of me.    Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:38:50 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> 0 Subject: Re: backup/image but restore otherwise?- Message-ID: <3976744A.87CE6A05@earthlink.net>    Charles Gilley wrote:  > M > If I perform an image backup on a disk, can I then restore only part of the O > image?  I don't think there is anything special to the saveset, but my vax is  > not in front of me.  >  > Thanks   Sure.   G /IMAGE just means that the saveset contains enough info. to rebuild the E entire volume, including file aliases, as well as everything that you   would find in any other saveset.  > So, yes, you can do a non-/IMAGE restore from a /IMAGE backup.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 03:57:18 GMT 0 From: gilley@nospam.bravewc.com (Charles Gilley)0 Subject: Re: backup/image but restore otherwise?> Message-ID: <oKud5.5403$2M5.174343@news-west.usenetserver.com>   Thanks for confirming.    B In article <3976744A.87CE6A05@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" $ <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote: >Charles Gilley wrote: >>  N >> If I perform an image backup on a disk, can I then restore only part of theP >> image?  I don't think there is anything special to the saveset, but my vax is >> not in front of me. >>  	 >> Thanks  >  >Sure. > H >/IMAGE just means that the saveset contains enough info. to rebuild theF >entire volume, including file aliases, as well as everything that you! >would find in any other saveset.  > ? >So, yes, you can do a non-/IMAGE restore from a /IMAGE backup.  >    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 18:16:37 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  Subject: Re: bash on VMS, Message-ID: <8l4ra5$1c2h$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  , In article <8l2ll9$5p4@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,5  mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:  |>  G |> It works for many things.  It doesn't work for the "configure" files 3 |> from autoconf (at least none that I've tried.)     H Been over this before, but I have to ask again.  Why would you even wantF to run "configure" on a VMS machine??  The purpose of configure is to I determine what flavor of UNIX containing a moving target of features/bugs F that one is attempting to install on.  There is only one flavor of VMSG with a fixed list of features/bugs.  All that should be necessary is to C write a "CONFIGURE.DCL" that edits the appropriate Makefile.in and  F config.h.in returning a VMS makefile and config.h.  No need to compileH all the silly little test programs. No need to test if cpp can be calledI separately.  No need to test to see if we HAVE_DIRENT_H.  All this should  already be known about VMS.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 19:17:00 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: bash on VMS, Message-ID: <8l4urc$b0n@gap.cco.caltech.edu>   >|> H >|> It works for many things.  It doesn't work for the "configure" files4 >|> from autoconf (at least none that I've tried.)   > I >Been over this before, but I have to ask again.  Why would you even want ( >to run "configure" on a VMS machine??    I So that it would generate a Makefile for me, since there are a heck of a  ) lot of unknowns in the Makefile.in files.     >The purpose of configure is to J >determine what flavor of UNIX containing a moving target of features/bugsG >that one is attempting to install on.  There is only one flavor of VMS H >with a fixed list of features/bugs.  All that should be necessary is toD >write a "CONFIGURE.DCL" that edits the appropriate Makefile.in and G >config.h.in returning a VMS makefile and config.h.  No need to compile I >all the silly little test programs. No need to test if cpp can be called J >separately.  No need to test to see if we HAVE_DIRENT_H.  All this should >already be known about VMS.  G "configure" is not a static program - that #($W&$(&# sh script changes  F from package to package.  Many versions have customizable command lineJ options that change the way it builds makefiles.  So, yes, you could buildI a CONFIGURE.DCL for one version of one package, but it can't be a general 
 solution.   H I wrote a note to the gnu people asking them to generalize the autoconf F so that it could accept a static system description file (and skip theC tests) and to replace the sh based "configure" with something a lot L more portable - preferably something written in ANSI C. Since I was wasting I my time anyway I also asked if they would consider putting in switches to B let the new configure generate other types of makefiles (for MMS, K CodeWarrior, VC++) etc.  Not that I expect anything to come of this.  There K was one response from a guy (in who knows what capacity - it was gnu after  I all) who suggested that I just port all the gnu tools, and bash, and then  autoconf would work right!     Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:44:08 +0100 ; From: "Leigh G. Bowden" <LGBowden@bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk>  Subject: Cluster node isn't.. Message-ID: <8l4stl$g4$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>  K An AlphaStation that forms one of a 20+ node cluster was shutdown and moved  about ten feet between desks.   J Now when it boots it doesn't join the cluster or make any attempt to do soF but one can SET HOST in and out with out trouble. It does appear to goJ through the montions though i.e. no errors at start up but makes a cluster of one - itself.  K The CLUSTER_AUTHORIZE file is fine and SYSMAN> CONFIG SHOW CLUSTER seems OK  as well.  K I have rebooted this machine out of the cluster and tried to add it back in 4 with CLUSTER_CONFIG but it didn't want to play ball.  L By "happy" chance we had a power failure and the cluster has also been reset< but still this node still doesn't want to join in the party.  F All nodes are running V6.2 of either VAX or Alpha versions of OpenVMS.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:18:44 GMT / From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>   Subject: Re: Cluster node isn't.E Message-ID: <oand5.7145$iP.778335@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>   E Any chance that the AlphaStation was plugged into a different network  segment?  F "Leigh G. Bowden" <LGBowden@bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message( news:8l4stl$g4$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...G > An AlphaStation that forms one of a 20+ node cluster was shutdown and  moved  > about ten feet between desks.X >uL > Now when it boots it doesn't join the cluster or make any attempt to do soH > but one can SET HOST in and out with out trouble. It does appear to goL > through the montions though i.e. no errors at start up but makes a cluster > of one - itself. > J > The CLUSTER_AUTHORIZE file is fine and SYSMAN> CONFIG SHOW CLUSTER seems OK
 > as well. > J > I have rebooted this machine out of the cluster and tried to add it back in6 > with CLUSTER_CONFIG but it didn't want to play ball. >pH > By "happy" chance we had a power failure and the cluster has also been resetc> > but still this node still doesn't want to join in the party. > H > All nodes are running V6.2 of either VAX or Alpha versions of OpenVMS. >  >  >r >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:04:23 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)  Subject: Re: Cluster node isn't.L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1907002204240001@user-2ive7om.dialup.mindspring.com>  k In article <8l4stl$g4$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Leigh G. Bowden" <LGBowden@bowdenfamily.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:f  M > An AlphaStation that forms one of a 20+ node cluster was shutdown and movedu > about ten feet between desks.e > L > Now when it boots it doesn't join the cluster or make any attempt to do soH > but one can SET HOST in and out with out trouble. It does appear to goL > through the montions though i.e. no errors at start up but makes a cluster > of one - itself.    F If the original cluster does not hang when this system is gone, AND ifE this system forms a cluster by itself that does not hang, I think youMD may have some very messed up quorum/votes/expected votes parameters.6 You are in for trouble if both "clusters" have quorum.  H I take it this alphastation has its own system disk.  Perhaps it used toC boot as a satellite?  Maybe it's making its own cluster because youI  changed the boot device somehow?  N If you have network problems that keep this fellow from talking to the others,B it won't be able to join the cluster.  But it should hang until it- finds enough voting nodes to make a quorum.  a  P Note that SET HOST uses Decnet, which is not the same protocol the cluster uses.R It's possible some router is letting decnet through, but not the cluster protocol.  M > The CLUSTER_AUTHORIZE file is fine and SYSMAN> CONFIG SHOW CLUSTER seems OK 
 > as well.  E The cluster group number and the cluster password both have to match.l  M > I have rebooted this machine out of the cluster and tried to add it back in-6 > with CLUSTER_CONFIG but it didn't want to play ball.   What were the messages?4   -- C Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 20:07:28 GMTw+ From: Paul Anderson <panderson@genicom.com>9+ Subject: Re: DCPS support for Tek printers?lC Message-ID: <panderson-8CEFEC.16073119072000@news.bellatlantic.net>   ; In article <8l2lef$9ua$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, s7 DAVISM@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael T. Davis) wrote:   E > Can any version of DCPS support either the Tektronix Phaser 550 or h > the Tektronix Phaser 850?   B No, but DCPS V1.8 (coming very very soon) supports the Phaser 780.   Paul   --  "    Paul Anderson, DCPS Engineering"    GENICOM Corporation, Gardner MA   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:51:16 -0700l5 From: Richard  <maher_rjNOmaSPAM@hotmail.com.invalid> $ Subject: DECdtm Alpha 7.1 Dicky API?9 Message-ID: <089a47c5.1895bee1@usw-ex0109-070.remarq.com>y   Hi,f  9 I'm testing some DECdtm stuff on an Alpha with VMS 7.1 onp3 it and hav had some strange problems. (Using COBOL)o  : 1) $start_transW when I specify (timout, acmode, tx_class)9 as BY VALUE 0 I get ss$_invbuflen telling be the tx_classs/ is > 31 bytes instead of seeing it was omitted.y  9 2) If I drop the last BY VALUE 0 then I get ss$_normal ine: *both* the return_status and the iosb but the TID is never written?  ; 3) It's only when I cut the arg list at the TID that thingsn go according to plan?h  8 4) Same thing happens with $start_branchW. With (timout,9 acmode, tx_class) omitted (BY VALUE 0 in case you suspecto7 the compiler) I get ss$_branchstarted? Cut the arg-listo( before these 3 and everything is peachy.  9 I could understand with undocumented services that thingsh; may have moved on since my 1.2 documentation, I sadly doubta8 it :-( but $start_transW is fully documented. Any Ideas?   Regards Richard Maher.     * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautifuls   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 12:29:04 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)- Subject: Re: Differences in Fortran versions?h3 Message-ID: <JwYx6u3$8oTl@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>   K In article <3973D4CA.E2F51EFC@vrx.net>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:=; > "Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515" wrote:h > P >>              The second question is,  haven't  you  run  in  debug yet to seeK >>     where  the  code is hanging/failing?  That should give some  obviouss
 >>     clues.n >>K >>         As others have said, there are  a  lot of bad old practices that=K >>     the  VMS  Fortran compiler(s) allows to support  "portability"  fromeK >>     various sources, including PDP-11's and IBM systems,  that  are  not-K >>     standard-conforming  and  which will bite you if you're not careful.eG >>     You need to find which _particular_ one of these is getting you.i > L > Wouldn't it be easier to just use the old vms and old fortran, make an EXE > and be on my merry way?s  H         Well, sure, I suppose so.  _If_ you have access to a VAX runningH     a sufficiently old version of VMS and VAX Fortran...that combinationH     can be pretty hard to  find  these days.  Not impossible, just hard.H     I  don't  recall  the  original  query,  but  this  _wouldn't_  help*     (probably) if your target is an Alpha.  H         Personally, I prefer to find the problem in the code and correctH     it.  Otherwise, how do you  know  the results aren't bogus?  And forH     the  kinds  of problems that were discribed (hangs...would those  beH     (semi-)infinite loops?) or crashes, running in DEBUG will  certainlyH     pinpoint  the problem area.  If the code won't compile, the compiler'     will point you at the problem area.l  H         Anyway, since no code was posted (that's similar to omitting theH     full error text when reporting a  VMS problem, which warrants a slapH     on  the  hand  in this news group :-), and people were  making  WAGsH     about the problem and its solution(s), I thought  I'd  throw  out  a     pair of my own.  :-)           -Ken -- sM  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:56:18 +0200a= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>o' Subject: Re: Displaying all directoriesl) Message-ID: <3972CA32.DCDC389C@gtech.com>M   Horse Nuts..." wrote:uE > Is there a way to display all directories and or all disk names anda+ > the directories contained on that disk???a   Yes.  : The lexicals F$SEARCH and F$DEVICE should give you all the information you want.m   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:37:48 -0400o0 From: Glenn and Mary Everhart <Everhart@gce.com>  Subject: Re: Does VMS have links' Message-ID: <39763BCC.A19A2AE3@gce.com>g  K Unix has two kinds of links: hard links, which correspond to set file/enter I in VMS. Unix counts these so the last removal of a link deletes the file.VL VMS on the other hand maintains a "master" link (the original one generally)H and deletion of non-master links leaves files alone; deleting the master6 deletes the file (and may leave other links dangling.)K    Like unix hard links, VMS hard links cannot cross filesystem boundaries.a  G Unix also has something called a softlink, implemented as a little filehE that has the effect of getting the filesystem to reopen the file thatvG is pointed at. These can cross filesystem boundaries and because of the G way unix finds files directories can be softlinked as well, giving mostsI of the appearance of moving them around. Deleting softlinks never deletes 
 the files.  J VMS does not out of the box do softlinks. The Safety package (see sigtapesJ for binary and source; also maybe some freeware cds) does support a goodlyJ subset. With safety, you create a file and link it to some other file. TheJ result is an ACE on the file that causes Safety to open the linked-to fileK when the file opens. (The ACE contains the target device name and file id.) I This works fast and smoothly but not for directories. I have experimentaluF code that WILL work for directories but it is not well tested. It mustH keep structures in memory to track when an open file is a directory thatO has been linked to somewhere else on a different file structure (i.e. differenttO disk or virtual disk), and has to use this to give the effect of unix directory-
 softlinks.  L Note that Safety links to a given file by file ID, so that a softlink alwaysM links to that version of a file. A unix link is strictly by name and will get4L the file of that name. Safety softlinks may not get the latest versions of aH given file, since the filename is in fact parsed at the time the link isK set up. The access is however exceedingly fast since all parsing is done infH kernel. Safety can also use this trick to open a decoy file if it deniesI normal access to a file (it has a much more useful and comprehensive ideae< about computer enforcing "need to know" than other systems).   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 12:21:02 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)H Subject: RE: DSNlink, modems and WIS (was: Re: Web browser and VMS mail)3 Message-ID: <9ADQdkm7DevX@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>   0 In article <snbk6r1i6tt100@corp.supernews.com>, 4     	"Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> writes: [...]eH > Too bad not everyone at Compaq follows Hoff's thinking. The DSN modems0 > were down the other week and I had to use WIS.E > ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!e > B > A few days latter one of the networking people asked if we stillH > needed the DSN line and modem. I explained what we use it for and thatD > we still needed it. His reply was that the other operating systemsH > around here are replacing their dedicated modems with HTTP interfaces,4 > I told him "That's why I'm happy I work with VMS."  H         FWIW, I've been _very_  happy  with  TCP/IP access using DSNlinkH     2.2E.  There were a few issues with Multinet, and with the fact thatH     our  host  is multihomed (multiple IP addresses for the same  domainH     name but only _one_ of those accessible from  off-site).   But  onceH     those  were  solved,  it's  been  quite reliable, more reliable than+     modem access, and FAR, FAR FASTER.  :-)e  H         Note that many people have complained about modem support (bugs)H     in DNSlink 2.2.  Another  cluster  at  our  site (with the modem) isH     still  running  DSNlink 1.2C for that reason.  But if you _can_  useH     TCP/IP, even through a firewall, then you may  find  yourself  quite     happy with DSNlink 2.2E.           -Ken -- mM  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edui:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:29:17 -0400 $ From: Kent Rankin <krankin@usit.net>  Subject: FS: 2x AlphaServer 4100( Message-ID: <397639CD.7429FA1F@usit.net>  H 	The units have no disk drives, but drives can be installed if required.    	They are configured as follows:   		AlphaServer 4100 #1g$ 			4x 300MHz 21164 w/ 2MB cache each
 			1GB RAM 			CDROM and Floppy drives, 			Standard interfaces (SCSI, ethernet, etc) 			Dual power supplies 			Rackmounting kit installed: 	G 		AlphaServer 4100 #2.$ 			2x 600MHz 21164 w/ 8MB cache each 			1GB eachn 			CDROM and Floppy drives, 			Standard interfaces (SCSI, ethernet, etc) 			Dual power supplies 			Rackmounting kit installedl  / 	Please send any questions that you might have.d     							Thank you,i 							Kent Rankin   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:13:45 -0700i< From: Noel Madlansacay <noel.madlansacay@radiology.ucsf.edu> Subject: Hardware Inventoryf4 Message-ID: <v04210119b59be2f52efc@[128.218.59.173]>  H We're doing a hardware inventory and I would like to get information via: VMS show dev or f$getdvi or MCR SYSGEN Show configuration.  / I have the ff info (done via visual inspection)t   - VAX 4000-705A (BA213)t  - R400X Disk Drive expansion Box - SF 106-AA (tape and drive)   in CPU     2 KQSFA controllersc     1 CXY08_M controller> 	(how can I determine what are connected to this controllers?)  F I was able to get the Serial Number for our VAX400-500 because it was C written down, but I wonder how I can get that information thru VMS.b  F I don't know how many memory boards we have.  And show memory doesn't 
 tell me that.g  A Gathering information about the disk drive is easy thru VMS SHOW n3 DEVICE/FULL and F$GETDVI in getting serial numbers.e  E But I am not sure how to do it for other devices.  I can't even tell a what the other devices are:   . Device                  Device           Error/   Name                   Status           Countt. PAA0:                   Online               0. AA0:                    Online               0. EZA0:                   Online               0. EZA1:                   Online               0. EZA2:                   Online               0. EZA3:                   Online               0. EZA4:                   Online               0. EZA5:                   Online               0. FYA0:                   Offline              0. MPA0:                   Offline              0. PAB0:                   Online               0. PUA0:                   Online               1. PUB0:                   Online               1. PUC0:                   Online               1. PUD0:                   Online               1. PUE0:                   Online               1. PUF0:                   Online               1. PUG0:                   Online               1. PUH0:                   Online               1. PUI0:                   Online               1. PUJ0:                   Online               1. PUK0:                   Online               1. PUL0:                   Online               1. PUM0:                   Online               1. WSA0:                   Offline              0   $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:SYSGEN  AUTOCONFIGURE 0g AUTOCONFIGURE 1aH CONNECT PUA0 /ADAP=3 /CSR=%O772150 /VECT=%O154 /NUMV=01 /DRIVER=PUDRIVERH CONNECT PUB0 /ADAP=3 /CSR=%O760334 /VECT=%O300 /NUMV=01 /DRIVER=PUDRIVERH CONNECT PUC0 /ADAP=3 /CSR=%O760340 /VECT=%O304 /NUMV=01 /DRIVER=PUDRIVERH CONNECT PUD0 /ADAP=3 /CSR=%O760344 /VECT=%O310 /NUMV=01 /DRIVER=PUDRIVERH CONNECT PUE0 /ADAP=3 /CSR=%O760350 /VECT=%O314 /NUMV=01 /DRIVER=PUDRIVERH CONNECT PUF0 /ADAP=3 /CSR=%O760354 /VECT=%O320 /NUMV=01 /DRIVER=PUDRIVERH CONNECT PUG0 /ADAP=3 /CSR=%O760360 /VECT=%O324 /NUMV=01 /DRIVER=PUDRIVERH CONNECT PUH0 /ADAP=3 /CSR=%O760364 /VECT=%O330 /NUMV=01 /DRIVER=PUDRIVERH CONNECT PUI0 /ADAP=3 /CSR=%O760370 /VECT=%O334 /NUMV=01 /DRIVER=PUDRIVERH CONNECT PUJ0 /ADAP=3 /CSR=%O760374 /VECT=%O340 /NUMV=01 /DRIVER=PUDRIVERH CONNECT PUK0 /ADAP=3 /CSR=%O760400 /VECT=%O344 /NUMV=01 /DRIVER=PUDRIVERH CONNECT PUL0 /ADAP=3 /CSR=%O760404 /VECT=%O350 /NUMV=01 /DRIVER=PUDRIVERH CONNECT PUM0 /ADAP=3 /CSR=%O760410 /VECT=%O354 /NUMV=01 /DRIVER=PUDRIVER AUTOCONFIGURE 2sH CONNECT TXA0 /ADAP=3 /CSR=%O760540 /VECT=%O360 /NUMV=02 /DRIVER=YFDRIVERH CONNECT TXA1 /ADAP=3 /CSR=%O760540 /VECT=%O360 /NUMV=02 /DRIVER=YFDRIVERH CONNECT TXA2 /ADAP=3 /CSR=%O760540 /VECT=%O360 /NUMV=02 /DRIVER=YFDRIVERH CONNECT TXA3 /ADAP=3 /CSR=%O760540 /VECT=%O360 /NUMV=02 /DRIVER=YFDRIVERH CONNECT TXA4 /ADAP=3 /CSR=%O760540 /VECT=%O360 /NUMV=02 /DRIVER=YFDRIVERH CONNECT TXA5 /ADAP=3 /CSR=%O760540 /VECT=%O360 /NUMV=02 /DRIVER=YFDRIVERH CONNECT TXA6 /ADAP=3 /CSR=%O760540 /VECT=%O360 /NUMV=02 /DRIVER=YFDRIVERH CONNECT TXA7 /ADAP=3 /CSR=%O760540 /VECT=%O360 /NUMV=02 /DRIVER=YFDRIVER $d  C You're help would be appreciated.  We're trying to gather detailed  C hardware information as much as possible without bringing down the r system.l   Thanks.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:46:00 -0400,# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>d  Subject: Re: Henry Ford turnover+ Message-ID: <3975E958.5F3B1D11@hsc.vcu.edu>e   See my car acronym page at:4  ( http://anacin.nsc.vcu.edu/~jim/cars.html  ( (*snicker*), plenty there about fords...   Foundg On Roof	 Destroyedn         "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > "Doug W." wrote: > [total snippage] > A > When I first read the subject, I thought you were going to say:  >  > Flip > Over,t > Read > Directions >  > -- > David J. Dachterad > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > < > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 22:04:31 GMT* From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)5 Subject: How to make HP printer talk to VMS/Multinet?h) Message-ID: <8l58lf$p51$1@hecate.umd.edu>u  E Hi.  This must be an old question, but I can't remember the answer.  e  J Another user (with his own system, of course :-), has asked me for help inL setting up a printer queue.  He has a VAXstation 4000/90 running OpenVMS 6.2N and is running Multinet V4.0(102).  I'm not very familiar with Multinet, which is why I'm posting here.  M We're trying to set up a print queue that prints to a HP laserjet printer.  I N went through the Multinet menus to configure a printer.  I gave it the correctH IP address and port number.  I know they are correct because the printerN configuration page, when I printed it, gave me the IP address, and I then used TELNET/PORT=9100 ipaddressN to connect to it.  The printer accepted the telnet request (the TELNET commandM connected me instead of hanging), so that confirms the printer is on the net,o3 has that IP address, and is listening on port 9100.h  J When I print a normal text file, VMS handles it right away and without anyM errors.  The file never gets printed, however, nor does the Data light on the-K printer start to flash, which would indicate data received but not printed.n  M Here's the print queue configuration from SHOW QUEUE/FULL, which shows one ofsK the jobs that I'd sent.  The same job failed in the same manner without thec /SETUP qualifier, btw.  E Printer queue COLORHP, stopped, on SURYA::NLP0:, mounted form DEFAULT A   /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FEED,FORM=DEFAULT) /LIBRARY=HPLJ3SI h6   /OWNER=[SYSTEM] /PROCESSOR=MULTINET_STREAM_SYMBIONT '   /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S) /RETAIN8  4   Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  Status4   -----  -------         --------     ------  ------D      40  AERO            SYSTEM            1  Retained on completionF          Submitted 19-JUL-2000 16:38:03.41 /FORM=DEFAULT /PRIORITY=100F          File: _SURYA$DKA200:[KANEKAL]AERO.DIS;1 /SETUP=(PCL$PORTRAIT);          Completed 19-JUL-2000 16:38:03.55 on queue COLORHP1  J Here's the result of a SHOW QUEUE/FORM/FULL DEFAULT; nothing unusual here.  9 Form name                            Number   Descriptione9 ---------                            ------   -----------tD DEFAULT                                   0   System-defined defaultE     /LENGTH=66 /MARGIN=(BOTTOM=6) /STOCK=DEFAULT /TRUNCATE /WIDTH=132I  O Here's the results of a SHOW DEVICE/FUL NLP0: (network line printer?), which isn? the device created by Multinet to handle the TCP/IP connection.n  L Printer NLP0:, device type RZ25, is online, record-oriented device, carriage>     control, device is spooled through an intermediate device.  O     Error count                    0    Operations completed                  0 O     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM](O     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot              S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W O     Reference count                0    Default buffer size                   0bO     Page width                     0    Page Length                          66-)     No Carriage_return	Formfeed	Lowercase0$     No Passall		No Wrap		No Printall     No Fallback		Tab		Truncate      Intermediate device: DKA300:      Associated queue:    COLORHP  7 Finally, I checked the value of the system logical namee: MULTINET_NLP0_REMOTE_ADDRESS, and it equates to the stringK "xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/9100", with the printer's correct IP address preceding the"G slash.  I assume that this is the mechanism Multinet's symbiont uses to N identify which IP address and port to communicate with for a given NLP device.  K Everything seems to be set up okay, but nothing is getting printed.  Ideas?r   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edue   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:08:31 -0600o2 From: Carleen Nutter <Carleen.Nutter@hsc.utah.edu>9 Subject: Re: How to make HP printer talk to VMS/Multinet? . Message-ID: <s975e0b0.021@gwmail.med.utah.edu>  H We use a a library module to reset the HP printer to default after the = print job=20L (/separate=3D(reset=3D(hp_reset)); a default form (/default=3D(form=3Dhp_po= rt (stock=3Ddefault)).  ThetL form HP_PORT uses a library setup module (on the form, /setup=3D(portrait).=    F The library modules hp_reset and portrait contain HP printer control = codes.  For example,; hp_reset contains <FF><ESC>E.  The portrait module containssI <ESC>E<ESC>P<ESC>&1O0<ESC>\   (that's ...one oh zero).  The "<ESC>" and =a
 "<FF>" are the ascii control characters.   H Is that possibly the missing piece?  How did you do the Multinet queue = setup?   Carleens  : >>> Lawrence Bleau <bleau@umtof.umd.edu> 07/19 4:04 PM >>>G Hi.  This must be an old question, but I can't remember the answer. =20o  J Another user (with his own system, of course :-), has asked me for help inJ setting up a printer queue.  He has a VAXstation 4000/90 running OpenVMS = 6.2eJ and is running Multinet V4.0(102).  I'm not very familiar with Multinet, = whichi is why I'm posting here.  L We're trying to set up a print queue that prints to a HP laserjet printer. =  IH went through the Multinet menus to configure a printer.  I gave it the = correctiH IP address and port number.  I know they are correct because the printerK configuration page, when I printed it, gave me the IP address, and I then =  used TELNET/PORT=3D9100 ipaddressH to connect to it.  The printer accepted the telnet request (the TELNET = commandiJ connected me instead of hanging), so that confirms the printer is on the = net,3 has that IP address, and is listening on port 9100.r  J When I print a normal text file, VMS handles it right away and without anyK errors.  The file never gets printed, however, nor does the Data light on =  the.D printer start to flash, which would indicate data received but not = printed.  L Here's the print queue configuration from SHOW QUEUE/FULL, which shows one = ofI the jobs that I'd sent.  The same job failed in the same manner without =- the- /SETUP qualifier, btw.  E Printer queue COLORHP, stopped, on SURYA::NLP0:, mounted form DEFAULThL   /BASE_PRIORITY=3D4 /DEFAULT=3D(FEED,FORM=3DDEFAULT) /LIBRARY=3DHPLJ3SI=20=  <   /OWNER=3D[SYSTEM] /PROCESSOR=3DMULTINET_STREAM_SYMBIONT=20)   /PROTECTION=3D(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S) /RETAINu  4   Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  Status4   -----  -------         --------     ------  ------D      40  AERO            SYSTEM            1  Retained on completionJ          Submitted 19-JUL-2000 16:38:03.41 /FORM=3DDEFAULT /PRIORITY=3D100H          File: _SURYA$DKA200:[KANEKAL]AERO.DIS;1 /SETUP=3D(PCL$PORTRAIT);          Completed 19-JUL-2000 16:38:03.55 on queue COLORHPi  J Here's the result of a SHOW QUEUE/FORM/FULL DEFAULT; nothing unusual here.  9 Form name                            Number   Descriptions9 ---------                            ------   -----------rD DEFAULT                                   0   System-defined defaultD     /LENGTH=3D66 /MARGIN=3D(BOTTOM=3D6) /STOCK=3DDEFAULT /TRUNCATE = /WIDTH=3D132  H Here's the results of a SHOW DEVICE/FUL NLP0: (network line printer?), = which is? the device created by Multinet to handle the TCP/IP connection.s  E Printer NLP0:, device type RZ25, is online, record-oriented device, =n carriage>     control, device is spooled through an intermediate device.  L     Error count                    0    Operations completed               =    0H     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                      = [SYSTEM]L     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot              S:RWPL,O:RWPL= ,G,WL     Reference count                0    Default buffer size                =    0L     Page width                     0    Page Length                        =   66)     No Carriage_return	Formfeed	Lowercase $     No Passall		No Wrap		No Printall     No Fallback		Tab		Truncate      Intermediate device: DKA300:      Associated queue:    COLORHP  7 Finally, I checked the value of the system logical namek: MULTINET_NLP0_REMOTE_ADDRESS, and it equates to the stringI "xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/9100", with the printer's correct IP address preceding =  theeG slash.  I assume that this is the mechanism Multinet's symbiont uses to H identify which IP address and port to communicate with for a given NLP = device.   F Everything seems to be set up okay, but nothing is getting printed.  = Ideas?   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edu=20   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 02:05:31 GMTD= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)s* Subject: Re: How to Reset a DECServer 90L+0 Message-ID: <009ED555.EB1DAD93@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Q In article <8l41to$em2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Berty <Guy.Barrett@tntpost.com> writes:v- >I stand corrected by my distinguished peers.S/ >I had assumed that 90L's are similar to 90M's.  >Sorry.   H Too bad too.  I have oodles of these 90Ls and their really not useful -- not like a 90M anyhow.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMd   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 05:36:21 GMTe From: alan48@my-deja.com9 Subject: I need a precise definition of "layered product"P) Message-ID: <8l634l$vmi$1@nnrp1.deja.com>h   Please pray tell...   6 What is the *precise* definition of "layered product"?  G Motivation: I am rewriting my resume and I want to know exactly what ithE means if I write "installed layered products" and the like. I want to C know the correct meaning of "layered products" if it comes up in anf: interview. (Yes, I am the victim of a decommissioned VAX.)   In particular:  F Does a product's having been installed via VMSINSTAL make it a layered product?  B Are any third-party products such as MultiNet (Process Software, IG believe) or CAM considered layered products or are all layered productsn from Compaq/digital?  3 Is ALL-IN-1 (V3.1 if it matters) a layered product?t  A Are any programs/whatevers on the Freeware CD for OpenVMS layeredh	 products?2  G Is LaTeX a layered product? (I once installed LaTeX on a VAXcluster andrD IIRC I did not use VMSINSTAL to do it. I just had to copy it, set upC some logical names, and write perhaps a few appropriate DCL command- procedures.)   TVMIA-   Disclaimer: JMHO   Alan E. Feldman- alan48          &-)- dellnet.comi    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.-   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 18:12:22 GMT0 From: sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander)& Subject: Re: IDE CD-ROM audio support?* Message-ID: <8l4r26$c8u@usenet.pa.dec.com>   The DQdriver is now listed.n  9 Also at http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/dqdriver/ : |>; |>http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/freeware/index.html    |>   -- 	B ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingD Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comB 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ultranet.com3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875u6    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself /           Read http://www.openvms.digital.com/ KB ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:59:57 -0300.1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>44 Subject: RE: Importing a VMS 5.5-2 sysuaf.dat to 7.2K Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A333732@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>$  J no, you should easily be able to copy these files over from VMS *.* to VMSL *.*, you may also want to bring in the NETPROXY.DAT file also and convert it- to NET$PROXY depending on the DECNet version.Q - Darren   > ----------@ > From: 	dilalo@aesop.rutgers.edu[SMTP:dilalo@aesop.rutgers.edu]% > Reply To: 	dilalo@aesop.rutgers.edu * > Sent: 	Wednesday, July 19, 2000 12:29 PM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com3 > Subject: 	Importing a VMS 5.5-2 sysuaf.dat to 7.2' >  > H > I'm replacing a VAX 4705A running VMS 5.5-2h4 with an ES40 AlphaServer	 > running J > 7.2.  Has anyone successfully imported a 5.5-2 sysuaf.dat to 7.2 withoutH > upgrading the OS first?  I'd like to build the new system from scratch
 > with allJ > the latest releases of layered products then just import both the sysuafI > and rightslist data from the VMS 5.5-2 VAX system.  The old sysuaf usest: > device logicals that I can redefine on the new system.   > J > My hope is to just restore the current user disk volumes to the new san,I > import the sysuaf and rightslist, and throw the network switch (granted = > I'm oversimplying the prep work a bit).  Am I pipedreaming?  > L > -------------------------------------+------------------------------------ > ------L > Gregory J. DiLalo                    | Voice (Work):   (732) 932-1100 Ext. > 411 H > Management Information Services      | Voice (Home):   (732) 257-6969 G > Cook College/NJAES                   | FAX:            (732) 932-8887i2 > Rutgers, The State University of NJ  | Internet: > dilalo@aesop.rutgers.eduL > -------------------------------------+------------------------------------ > ------ >  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theynL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingT of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudaPF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:52:08 -0400P- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>U4 Subject: Re: Importing a VMS 5.5-2 sysuaf.dat to 7.2, Message-ID: <39763116.9BBBBE2B@videotron.ca>   Lorin Ricker wrote:%L > It then should be just a matter of doing a CONVERT /FDL on *a copy* of theF > old sysuaf.dat file, using the FDL description file for the *new* v7L > variant, to change your old data file into something acceptable to the new > v7 environment...V  N If you choose that route, and you know which fields have been added, you couldL AUTHORIZE> MOD [*,*]/newfield=default_value To set all your old usernames toL have a known new value for the new fields. (otherwise CONVERT/FDL would just7 expand the records with a standard padding caharacter).V  J However, bear in mind that some bit fields, notably in the privileges were changed/added.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 00:29:00 GMTR/ From: StevenU@POBoxes.com (Steven P. Underwood)/4 Subject: Re: Importing a VMS 5.5-2 sysuaf.dat to 7.22 Message-ID: <397646c3.516999411@news.telocity.com>  @ I ran into one small problem with this type of project just thisC morning.  My files were transferred from V7.2-1 to V7.1.  It turnedVF out the TCPIP$BIND and TCPIP$SMTP identifiers were reversed on the two@ machines, so the machine could not start TCPIP$BIND until I $SET FILE/OWNER on both directories.o  B Just another gotcha that I had failed to think of before the move.   Steve   0 On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:41:06 -0600, Lorin Ricker! <Lorin.Ricker@t-netix.com> wrote:-  6 >> Has anyone successfully imported a 5.5-2 sysuaf.dat) >> to 7.2 without upgrading the OS first?: >:L >No, I've not done exactly that, but I *have* transferred sysuaf, rightslistK >and vmsmail dat-files between like- (or close-) versioned systems, so I've*) >got at least some perspective on this...n >oJ >If I recall correctly, its just that the RMS record structure has changedM >(they added fields to the records) from VMS v5.x to v6.x and now to v7.x ...nJ >Hoff or one of the other VMS engineers could shed specific light on this. >cL >If you do an ANALYZE/RMS/FDL to capture an FDL output file on your originalK >sysuaf.dat *and* on a v7.x sysuaf.dat (which you'd ultimately replace with G >your original .dat file's contents), you should be able to see how the 2 >record structure's been expanded from old to new. >aK >It then should be just a matter of doing a CONVERT /FDL on *a copy* of theuE >old sysuaf.dat file, using the FDL description file for the *new* v7rK >variant, to change your old data file into something acceptable to the newlI >v7 environment... I'd bet that this is (largely) what an upgrade processVK >does anyway.  This is just my conjecture, so use this with caution, but iteI >should put you on the right track... and someone's likely to jump in andt= >fill in my gaps or correct my misconception, so stay tooned.i > 	 >regards,n >  Lorin Ricker  >g   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 17:55:50 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)9 Subject: Re: Importing sysuaf.lis to Echange - SAM - FILET6 Message-ID: <8l4q36$g0d$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  s In article <01JRYB1CILMQ000YWD@UPR1.UPR.CLU.EDU>, "Carlos A. =??Q?Jim=E9nez?=" <C_JIMENEZ@UPR1.UPR.CLU.EDU> writes:nA :	I have an AlphaServer 2100. I want to export my users from the I8 :sysuaf.dat to Echange Server(MS) SAM FILE.  For exampleI :(Username,PassWord,Expiration Date, Groups, ect.). If any one have this a* :problem and have a solution I apreciate.   G   You could set up OpenVMS to act as a primary domain controller (PDC),cC   assuming appropriate OpenVMS and Advanced Server configuration...   E   You could also set up OpenVMS as an IMAP or POP3 server, and accessa2   the mail stored on OpenVMS from other platforms.  J   As for exporting the authorization data, you can get most of this stuff K   out of OpenVMS using a variety of tools and approaches, but OpenVMS does NF   not store a text-format password -- you can't get the password back.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:55:04 -0400F- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>P9 Subject: Re: Importing sysuaf.lis to Echange - SAM - FILE , Message-ID: <397631C6.B83667F3@videotron.ca>   "Carlos A. Jim=E9nez" wrote:H >         I have an AlphaServer 2100. I want to export my users from the9 > sysuaf.dat to Echange Server(MS) SAM FILE.  For example-4 > (Username,PassWord,Expiration Date, Groups, ect.).  9 With ALL-IN-1, this is quite trivial to do with a script.D   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:00:33 -04000- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e9 Subject: Re: Importing sysuaf.lis to Echange - SAM - FILEr+ Message-ID: <39763310.C5DEF69@videotron.ca>o   Hoff Hoffman wrote:rK >   As for exporting the authorization data, you can get most of this stuffrL >   out of OpenVMS using a variety of tools and approaches, but OpenVMS doesH >   not store a text-format password -- you can't get the password back.  J Correct about the password. Hadn't thought of that. Even All-in-1's script1 access to SYSUAF doesn't descramble the password.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:54:51 GMT 3 From: Eric Dittman <dittman@narnia.int.dittman.net>o% Subject: Intraserver SCSI Controllers < Message-ID: <%Pmd5.2104$Q7.63322@news-east.usenetserver.com>  < Does anyone know of a vendor that sells the Intraserver SCSI4 controllers that support OpenVMS for less than list? -- c Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.netE   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:51:38 +0200s= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>i Subject: Re: Lexical F$GETJPIi) Message-ID: <3972C91A.B805CC46@gtech.com>    Berty wrote:W > In article <8kk921$m5k$1@info.service.rug.nl>, "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> wrote:tL > > <guyab@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8kk6sv$5ie$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > When I issue the command- > > > $ write sys$output f$getjpi("","owner")- > > > I only get a blank line.K > > > I have got all of the UAF records set up with meaningful names in theuB > > > owner field and I would like to extract it a single command. > > > Anybody any ideas.  * > > I don't know what you expected to see.J > > According to the documentation "owner" returns the PID of the parent = > > process.  : > What I am trying to get is the owner string from my UAF. > The UAF shows -_ > @ > Username: BILLB                            Owner:  BILL BLOGGS   > So I was thinking that ift' > f$getjpi("","username") returns BILLB= > and.) > f$getjpi("","UIC") returns [100,100242]E > andp$ > f$getjpi("","account") returns AHE > C > then sureley I should be able to extract the owner field as well.e  6 The GETJPI OWNER retrive the PID of the prent process.  B You need the non-existent F$GETUAI lexical to the the information.  > Since it does not exist you will have to write a small program+ retrieving the information with SYS$GETUAI.r  > BTW, several such utilities has been written (including a very  generic GETUAI utility I think).   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:04:12 -0400e: From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com>7 Subject: RE: Limit a UIC group access to a number of 50rK Message-ID: <D7E0F3C94377D311A24A00805F19D0EE27A849@MBCALBEXC04.BENDER.COM>   C How about in sylogin.com doing a check for UIC group number of who =C is logging in.  If it is UIC group 50, then proceed to check to seeuB how many with that UIC group are logged in, and then either allow 5 them to login or present a message and log them out. d   :) jck   > -----Original Message-----6 > From: trdorr@my-deja.com [mailto:trdorr@my-deja.com]) > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 12:42 PMt > To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com 9 > Subject: Re: Limit a UIC group access to a number of 50n >  > , > Thanks for the suggestion for MAXACCTJOBS.? > However,MAXACCTJOBS does not address the solution. I want to n > be able toE > limit the number of users in a UIC group to not be able to login if 1 > there are more than 50 users in that UIC group.e > - > In article <imljMdqAolO$@eisner.decus.org>,o> >   Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:H > > In article <8l2f23$a5n$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, trdorr@my-deja.com writes:= > > > Is there some way or program or utility to limit a UIC O > group to not? > > > exceed a given number of logins? There is a need to keep Y
 > a UIC groupRE > > > to a limit to not use the total number of licenses by a layeredIF > > > application. Our layered application grants a total number but I > need: > > > to limit a UIC group to not use more than 50 logins. > > F > > Yes, provided your management of the Account field matches the VMS
 > default: > >D/ > > >>> $ mcr authorize help modify/maxacctjobs2 > > >>>A > > >>> MODIFY > > >>>L > > >>>   /MAXACCTJOBS > > >>>-" > > >>>         /MAXACCTJOBS=value > > >>>eD > > >>>      Specifies the maximum number of batch, interactive, and
 > detached> > > >>>      processes that can be active at one time for all  > users of theG > > >>>      same account. By default, a user has a maximum of 0, which , > > >>>      represents an unlimited number. > >N >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.t >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:09:34 -0300i1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>i7 Subject: RE: Limit a UIC group access to a number of 50dK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A333733@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>e  G wouldn't it be easier to use SYLOGIN.COM to increment a logical at eachlF login, then if logins = limit LOGOUT etc.  Obviously you would have toG redefine the LOGOUT command to point back to your SYLOGIN (or something0G similar) that subtracts you process from the logical then performed the  LOGOUT - Darren   > ---------- > From: C > hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam[SMTP:hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam] * > Reply To: 	hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam' > Sent: 	Tuesday, July 18, 2000 6:11 PMa > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com: > Subject: 	Re: Limit a UIC group access to a number of 50 >  > F > In article <8l2f23$a5n$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, trdorr@my-deja.com writes:F > :Is there some way or program or utility to limit a UIC group to notG > :exceed a given number of logins? There is a need to keep a UIC groupnB > :to a limit to not use the total number of licenses by a layeredH > :application. Our layered application grants a total number but I need7 > :to limit a UIC group to not use more than 50 logins.u > C >   There is no direct mechanism to limit a particular UIC group tovD >   a specific number of logins (similar limits on individual users D >   are available), but rather easy to add a check for this (a smallF >   image that is installed with the appropriate privileges, and that D >   loops through the processes on the system or cluster, and counts@ >   the number of matches) into the site-specific SYLOGIN.COM... > F >   Most folks would just let the licensing check fail.  I am assuming5 >   that there is a reason why this cannot be done...  > 4 >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion > ---------------------------h1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering  > hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andmJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyeL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingu of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudahF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 19:38:33 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)7 Subject: RE: Limit a UIC group access to a number of 50t6 Message-ID: <8l503p$goi$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   In article <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A333733@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>, "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> writes:sH :wouldn't it be easier to use SYLOGIN.COM to increment a logical at eachG :login, then if logins = limit LOGOUT etc.  Obviously you would have topH :redefine the LOGOUT command to point back to your SYLOGIN (or somethingH :similar) that subtracts you process from the logical then performed the :LOGOUT   G   It's the tracking of the process exits that makes a logical name or a K   lock value block rather tricky...  There are a number of ways to logout, dF   various of which do not involve the execution of any particular DCL )   command.  (eg: a modem drops a call.)  e  I   There are ways to keep the counts current, of course... Something like oJ   stuffing an inner-mode doorbell lock into the mix (to catch the process I   exit) might work, and (where you can) tagging into the auditing (again,-G   looking for process exits) or similar termination notifications wouldg#   work...  But this is more work...   K   By the time you implement the logic to keep the count reasonably accurate:I   and sufficiently current, you might as well just perform the count for  H   each login.  (This is how certain types of licenses work.)  One image M   activation and some number of $getjpi calls (absolute worst case: scanning -L   8K or 16K processes or MAXPROCESSCNT, whichever is less, and depending on H   version and platform and efficiency of the process scan) will tend to D   be overwhelmed by the usual contents of LOGIN.COM and SYLOGIN.COM.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2000 16:59:32 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) 7 Subject: Re: Limit a UIC group access to a number of 50.+ Message-ID: <7NoXBSVMs$Se@eisner.decus.org>   ? I don't see why MAXACCTJOBS would not work under the conditionsc; I specified.  Provided you have the default behavior of the < Account field for each Username matching the Identifier name> for the corresponding UIC group, limiting the number of logins> for a particular Account is exactly equivalent to limiting the, number of logins for a particular UIC group.  @ You weren't thinking that "Account" meant "Username", were you ?8 For a username-based restriction you would use /MAXJOBS.   Larry Kilgallen.  D In article <8l4lpe$tql$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, trdorr@my-deja.com writes:, > Thanks for the suggestion for MAXACCTJOBS.I > However,MAXACCTJOBS does not address the solution. I want to be able tosE > limit the number of users in a UIC group to not be able to login ifr1 > there are more than 50 users in that UIC group.- > - > In article <imljMdqAolO$@eisner.decus.org>,-> >   Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:G >> In article <8l2f23$a5n$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, trdorr@my-deja.com writes:SH >> > Is there some way or program or utility to limit a UIC group to notI >> > exceed a given number of logins? There is a need to keep a UIC groupsD >> > to a limit to not use the total number of licenses by a layeredE >> > application. Our layered application grants a total number but I  > need9 >> > to limit a UIC group to not use more than 50 logins.* >>E >> Yes, provided your management of the Account field matches the VMSa
 > default: >>. >> >>> $ mcr authorize help modify/maxacctjobs >> >>>
 >> >>> MODIFYy >> >>> >> >>>   /MAXACCTJOBSe >> >>>! >> >>>         /MAXACCTJOBS=value  >> >>>C >> >>>      Specifies the maximum number of batch, interactive, and 
 > detachedI >> >>>      processes that can be active at one time for all users of theaF >> >>>      same account. By default, a user has a maximum of 0, which+ >> >>>      represents an unlimited number.* >> >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.-   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 11:40:59 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)& Subject: Re: Netscape Access Violation3 Message-ID: <$a5PioxG0EPs@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>h  N In article <dJkIHWcl$Aj9@flying>, abuse@flying-disk.com (Alan Frisbie) writes:; > I was happily (well, mostly) running Netscape v3.03 on myi8 > AlphaStation under VMS v7.1.    Then I upgraded to VMS4 > v7.2-1 and Motif 1.2-5.   Now Netscape gives me an0 > access violation every time I try to start it.  H         Alan, what VMS 7.2-1  ECO's  haven't  you installed?  We've beenH     running VMS/Alpha 7.2-1 (and VMS/VAX 7.2) since the beginning of theH     year  _and_  Netscape 3.03 without any problems.  However,  I  _did_D     install all available 7.2-1 ECO's immediately when I upgraded...  H         From the traceback, I'd suspect  the  PTHREAD ECO is what you'reH     most  in  need og, but I'd highly recommend installing at least  theH     UPDATE ECO (which includes/supercedes the PTHREAD ECO) and the  PCSI     ECO:           VMS721_PCSI-V0100a         VMS721_UPDATE-V0100              -Ken -- sM  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Eduu:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 20:13:03 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)& Subject: Re: Netscape Access Violation, Message-ID: <8l524f$ggv@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  N In article <dJkIHWcl$Aj9@flying>, abuse@flying-disk.com (Alan Frisbie) writes:: >I was happily (well, mostly) running Netscape v3.03 on my7 >AlphaStation under VMS v7.1.    Then I upgraded to VMSt3 >v7.2-1 and Motif 1.2-5.   Now Netscape gives me anh/ >access violation every time I try to start it.v  B It starts OK on my DS10, but sometimes it crashes taking down the ? DECwindows server with it.  Or maybe it's the DECwindows server B that crashes and Netscape just happens to be always running at the time...y   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edun? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech c   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:18:20 -0400 ' From: Robert Young <rcyoung@groupz.net>p* Subject: Odd f$getjpi results on WSEXTENTS* Message-ID: <39760D0C.4FFB5E17@groupz.net>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------05A85B834675FF20EAF6044E* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitT   On Vax Vms 6.2...t   When issuing  the followingb   wsext = f$getjpi("","WSEXTENT")t write sys$output  wsexti  B a value other than the correct value of WSEXTENT  for the user  isG returned. It is usually much larger until it goes >  32767 when it goes-D "negative". Any other parameter (FILLM, PGFLQUOTA, etc)  returns the8 correct value no matter how large the returned value is.   What is being missed here???   R Young  rcyoung@groupz.net    & --------------05A85B834675FF20EAF6044E- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;?  name="rcyoung.vcf"E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * Content-Description: Card for Robert Young  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="rcyoung.vcf"I   begin:vcard  n:Young;Robert tel;fax:1-803-648-5931 tel;work:1-803-648-5931h x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.empirical.com, org:ALI Database Consultants;Oracle and Rdb * adr:;;1151 Williams Dr;Aiken;SC;29803;USA  version:2.1O$ email;internet:rcyoung@empirical.com title:Senior Consultanto fn:Robert Young, Phd	 end:vcard3  ( --------------05A85B834675FF20EAF6044E--   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:54:36 +0200y= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>y# Subject: Re: OpenVMS/Alpha and PERL ) Message-ID: <3972C9CB.B791CED4@gtech.com>-   "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote: > Lothar Geyer wrote:-G > > does anyone know a PERL compiler for OpenVMS/Alpha? PERL is not theSG                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-L > > script language used today for internet application, but a language user8     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^3 > > about 15 years ago for technical appplications.   M > If you take a peek at the VMS FAQ, you'll find locations and suggestions oneN > sources and how to build them as well as precompiled Perl 5 distributions...  = Strange - I was pretty sure that Perl 5 was used for internett, applications today (and many other things) !   :-)i   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:04:09 -0400 % From: JM <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com>i3 Subject: Re: Pathworks v6.0B and its administrationiO Message-ID: <9BA622744E4528DC.98021614ED05276E.DB6EECC3E2C6DC3F@lp.airnews.net>a   David LAZIMY wrote:e > < > The problem I have with Pathworks 6.0 is that a Pathworks E > administrator has to be a WinNT domain admin to manage the service.h  E If you implement OSU and my PWADMIN webserver script on your AdvancedeG Server you can set it up to authenticate on the domain using a specifictF domain username/password and then allow the web script to authenticateC your Advanced server administrators via VMS username/passwords. You48 don't have to give them a Domain Admin account this way.  A AND you can limit exactly which functions you want each person to$E perform. For example, you can lock down the help desk people and onlya< allow them to reset a user's password and unlock accounts :)  1 Check it out at www.geocities.com/vmswiz/vms.htmlt   			*JM*    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 20:06:57 GMT* From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)) Subject: Question on MX mailer relay filec) Message-ID: <8l51p1$nrq$1@hecate.umd.edu>6  O I posted this a week or two ago to vmsnet.mail.mx, never received any feedback,dK so I'm trying here.  I'm running MX 4.2 with the relay patch on OpenVMS AXPnO 7.1-2.  The relay patch, btw, is a third party patch to MX to prevent the relay N "feature" from being abused by spammers.  I'm having a problem configuring it.   I originally said:P >>I'd like to disable relay from every blasted system inthe universe!!  Is there >>a simple way to do this?     Then later:  [snip]P >>Given the above, would you say that the rule below would accomplish my purpose3 >>of disallowing any, all, and every relay attempt?  >># >>disable 0.0.0.0 with mask 0.0.0.0s >>< >>Or would this trigger a special case in the code?  Thanks.   A reply was:K >  It _should_ do what you want. Here is the relay.dat file that is workinge >  well for us:I >=) >enable 128.104.0.0 with mask 255.255.0.0," >disable 0.0.0.0 with mask 0.0.0.0  * Well, I tried just the single disable line  ! disable 0.0.0.0 with mask 0.0.0.0a  H and it caused problems big time!  Not only did it block all spammers, itM blocked all legit email, too!  Nobody could send email to me system!  I got aoL telephone call from a valid user who was trying this.  I tried a simple testO case myself: I went to another system I manage, logged on, and sent an email to M my account on the test system.  It was immediately sent back to postmaster ona) the sending system with the error message    550 Relaying denied.  M It seems the C code that checks the internal relay table has a logic problem,f8 or I'm not understanding how this is supposed to work.    L Does the check-for-relay code get activated only if the sender and recipient1 are on different systems (what I had supposed)?  p  4 Or does it get activated for each and every message?  N If the former, then we have a logic error somewhere.  If the latter, I'll needJ to redesign the RELAY.DAT file carefully, possibly the way Ravi did in his< example (above).  Anyone gone through these problems before?   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edun   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:45:07 -0700B/ From: Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com>e Subject: report distributionM Message-ID: <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213026FDE8C@seantexch.unitedad.com>e  	 Hello allCD    My company's VMS system generates TONs!!! of printed reports. TheL application by default prints the reports. It would be simple to just changeD the jobs to email them to the users. BUT management has a technologyJ infrastructure initiative.  My super says "There are several good packagesI out there that give us the ability to distribute reports in many formats,o< not just e-mail and using vms email is just not part of it."  D What report distribution methods are you using other than mail. What	 packages  . are available both VMS based and no VMS based.   TIA  Terry     5 *****************************************************h    5 *****************************************************m4 Any views or opinions are solely those of the author) and do not necessarily represent those of  United Advertising Media. 5 *****************************************************b4 The information transmitted is intended only for the1 person or entity to which it is addressed and mayr3 contain confidential and/or privileged material. Ife3 you are not the intended recipient of this message, . please do not read, copy, use or disclose this3 communication and notify the sender immediately. It 0 should be noted that any review, retransmission,2 dissemination or other use of, or taking action in- reliance upon, this information by persons ort- entities other than the intended recipient is- prohibited.85 *****************************************************  **   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:09:40 -0700i+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>s  Subject: Re: report distribution( Message-ID: <39762723.338B0AA2@mmaz.com>  C I'm in the process of setting up internal web sites where, based onlM authorization, users can browse specific reports that they normal received inlN hardcopy.  These reports, when converted to .PDF, and give them the ability toL selectively print as they need, to quickly search giant reports, and to stop! printing cases of paper a week...   J This project is what prompted my earlier posting request for a text to PDF convertor...   Barrye   Terry Marosites wrote:   > Hello allrF >    My company's VMS system generates TONs!!! of printed reports. TheN > application by default prints the reports. It would be simple to just changeF > the jobs to email them to the users. BUT management has a technologyL > infrastructure initiative.  My super says "There are several good packagesK > out there that give us the ability to distribute reports in many formats,U> > not just e-mail and using vms email is just not part of it." >dF > What report distribution methods are you using other than mail. What
 > packages0 > are available both VMS based and no VMS based. >i > TIA, > Terry  > 7 > *****************************************************n >o7 > *****************************************************Y6 > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author+ > and do not necessarily represent those ofe > United Advertising Media.t7 > *****************************************************s6 > The information transmitted is intended only for the3 > person or entity to which it is addressed and mayd5 > contain confidential and/or privileged material. If*5 > you are not the intended recipient of this message,a0 > please do not read, copy, use or disclose this5 > communication and notify the sender immediately. Its2 > should be noted that any review, retransmission,4 > dissemination or other use of, or taking action in/ > reliance upon, this information by persons ori/ > entities other than the intended recipient is 
 > prohibited.e7 > *****************************************************e > **   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOe  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028*   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:12:33 -05002) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>d  Subject: Re: report distribution. Message-ID: <snc9jg536tt39@corp.supernews.com>  > Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.company> wrote in messageG news:1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213026FDE8C@seantexch.unitedad.com...y > Hello allbF >    My company's VMS system generates TONs!!! of printed reports. TheG > application by default prints the reports. It would be simple to justU changeF > the jobs to email them to the users. BUT management has a technologyL > infrastructure initiative.  My super says "There are several good packagesK > out there that give us the ability to distribute reports in many formats,i> > not just e-mail and using vms email is just not part of it." >yF > What report distribution methods are you using other than mail. What
 > packages0 > are available both VMS based and no VMS based.  L The obvious one is to post them on internal web pages, as either plain text,- or some sort of formatted HTML or PDF format.o  I As far a packages, it really depends on what outputs your application can  produce.   -Johng wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:02:31 +0200n= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>  Subject: Re: schedulingo) Message-ID: <3972CBA7.9C72083E@gtech.com>   
 Andy O wrote:eG > Could anyone enlighten me as to how I could check my batch queues fori# > scripts running on a daily basis.)3 > I need to check which backup scripts are running.  >  > Open VMS 7.2 > + > Also, how do you change a users password.R > C > Sorry for the numpty questions but I've been left in the s**t!!!!d  $ Sounds as a new VMS system-manager !  	 Welcome !o   Check for jobs - try:o   $ SHOW QUEUE /BATCH /ALL /FULL  6 the output should show you everything you want to know (maybe more than that !).    Change password - try:   $ SET DEF SYS$SYSTEM $ RUN AUTHORIZEo7 UAF> MODIFY username /PASSWORD=newpassword /NOPWDEXPIREl	 UAF> EXIT:  $ (and you will need privs to do that)   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 18:03:03 GMT0 From: sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander)C Subject: Re: Summer 2000 OpenVMS TIMES Now Available on CPQ Websitei* Message-ID: <8l4qgn$c8u@usenet.pa.dec.com>   RE: new DQdriver..   It's there now..  2 www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/freeware/index.html  3 or http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/dqdriver/o  = the .zip file has all the files and the .bck file is a backupb8 saveset with the files (be sure to set the attributes)..  > The 'old' dqdriver from the freeware cd has been moved to /old     -- sB ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingD Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comB 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ultranet.com3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875i6    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself /           Read http://www.openvms.digital.com/ -B ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:36:33 -0700>5 From: Richard  <maher_rjNOmaSPAM@hotmail.com.invalid> C Subject: Re: Summer 2000 OpenVMS TIMES Now Available on CPQ Websiteo9 Message-ID: <1bd14d26.14bf107f@usw-ex0109-070.remarq.com>m   Hello,  : I've just read the VMS TIMES and this thread again and I'd4 like to get something straight. When you people were8 talking about plagiarism was it regarding "bridgeworks"?  / How do these people get their budgets approved?    Regards Richard Maher.     * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful>   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 20:12:01 GMTh From: jordan@my-deja.com# Subject: Re: Sun may GPL StarOfficel) Message-ID: <8l5222$7to$1@nnrp1.deja.com>y  + In article <EDt$LDMt6ER+@eisner.decus.org>,><   Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:F > In article <8ktr45$s0f$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, jordan@my-deja.com writes: > > According to this: > >lB > >    http://www.zdnet.com/sp/stories/news/0,4538,2604174,00.html > >C@ > > Sun is expected to release StarOffice under the GPL, the GNU > > Open Source license. > >@A > > Some months back, I expressed my concern that an OpenVMS ports= > > of StarOffice would be subject to Sun's acceptance of the,> > > changes necessary to support the port.  If StarOffice were9 > > GPL'd, Sun would not be able to deny the creation and = > > redistribution of changes necessary to port StarOffice to  > > OpenVMS. > > @ > > If we see this happen, then kudos to Sun and shame on me for > > my paranoia. > >hE > > Are there still people out there interested in porting StarOfficeN > > to OpenVMS?o >aG > I believe there will be many more than before if this GPL arrangementm > comes to pass. >a  $ It appears that it's been announced:  2 http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/000719/ca_sun_mic.html  = It looks like StarOffice is going to be rolled into a project < title "OpenOffice" (openoffice.org), who will keep open file) formats, object interface APIs, etc. etc.0  ? I would be great if we could get this to OpenVMS.  Perhaps thish? is the project for OpenVMS supporters to open dialog with those.> who support portable configuration scripts to support OpenVMS.  ? I would hate to look forward to a future where each new release-# is a new porting effort to OpenVMS.-   -Jordan Henderson- jordan@greenapple.comi    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.-   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 20:45:44 -0400 (EDT)x" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org># Subject: Re: Sun may GPL StarOffice H Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10007192043230.20934-100000@tuatha.sidhe.org>  - On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 jordan@my-deja.com wrote:e  - > In article <EDt$LDMt6ER+@eisner.decus.org>,e> >   Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:H > > In article <8ktr45$s0f$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, jordan@my-deja.com writes: > > > According to this: > > >tD > > >    http://www.zdnet.com/sp/stories/news/0,4538,2604174,00.html > > >wB > > > Sun is expected to release StarOffice under the GPL, the GNU > > > Open Source license. > > > C > > > Some months back, I expressed my concern that an OpenVMS portg? > > > of StarOffice would be subject to Sun's acceptance of theo@ > > > changes necessary to support the port.  If StarOffice were; > > > GPL'd, Sun would not be able to deny the creation andn? > > > redistribution of changes necessary to port StarOffice tog > > > OpenVMS. > > >7B > > > If we see this happen, then kudos to Sun and shame on me for > > > my paranoia. > > >6G > > > Are there still people out there interested in porting StarOfficen > > > to OpenVMS?V > >2I > > I believe there will be many more than before if this GPL arrangementr > > comes to pass. > >  > & > It appears that it's been announced: > 4 > http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/000719/ca_sun_mic.html > ? > It looks like StarOffice is going to be rolled into a projecte> > title "OpenOffice" (openoffice.org), who will keep open file+ > formats, object interface APIs, etc. etc.e  E Yup, they announced that at the end of the keynote speech at the Open8H Source conference today. Apparently the source is going ot be cleaned upD and version 6.0 will be GPL'd and out. Target date is Friday OctoberJ 13th. Everything except a few pieces they don't have permission to release@ the source to. (Basically the spelling checker and some filters)  J Nicely enough, the source to the Word filters *will* be opensourced, which is a Good Thing.   					Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:03:47 -0700m* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>( Subject: Telnet to VMS appears to freeze= Message-ID: <XQnd5.1964$2M5.56262@news-west.usenetserver.com>-  H I have encountered what appears to be a Telnet related problem (VMS 7.2,G TCPIP V5) on a cluster (3000-600, 2100, 500au).  The problem appears toSH be difficult to reproduce, so I'm hoping someone else has come across itD before.  Users connect to one or more Alpha servers in a VMS cluster@ (all on same version of VMS and TCP/IP) from various PCs and 90MG Decservers, using Telnet.  During or immediately after a long output to G the terminal screen the terminal will halt and is unresponsive.  If the^G process is killed the terminal or PC can log in again.  Users on LAT donE not see this problem, nor has it been reported on all nodes, but eachdF node has a different pool of users and applications.  If I look at theE hung process, it appears to be running, in LEF status.  For the VT320hE terminals on the DS90M, they show as connected as well.  This problemiG does not appear on other network nodes (i.e. SCO Unix nodes with telnet , connections) and is local to VMS nodes only.  D My first guess is it has something to do with flow control, since itF occurs when there is (relatively) heavy traffic going to the terminal.H I'm not an expert on telnet, is there something that needs to be tweaked	 for this?a    Jack Peacock    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:59:59 +0200y= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>e* Subject: Re: UCX 4.2 -> TCPIP 5.0A upgrade) Message-ID: <3972CB0F.29BDF0D4@gtech.com>e   Chris Sharman wrote:E > I'm considering doing this upgrade in advance of the 7.1 -> 7.2[-1]rG > upgrade. We're also running MX 5.0, SYSLOGD, MGFTP 2,6-2, IUPOP3, andn- > (on some nodes I think) NETLIB & SOCKETSHR.  > J > Anyone know which if any of these will need upgrading or re-installing ?I > Any other views/experiences anyone wants to share ? Does it co-exist OK . > with UCX 4.2 (and 4.0) in the same cluster ? > H > While I'm asking, is there much to choose between 7.2 & 7.2-1 in termsJ > of reliability ? I don't have any of the hardware mentioned in the 7.2-1H > release notes, and I seem to have mislaid the 7.2-1 CDs. How many wereF > there & when did they ship ? How much is a copy ? Or would anyone beC > kind enough to loan them to cover my incompetence (Preston, UK) ?e  ! 7.2-1 contains quite a few fixes.   0 I would defininatetly recommend 7.2-1 over 7.2 !  . (at least you will save some patch installing)  7 4.2 -> 5.0A is a huge jump and you may get problems, ifg the product is pre-UCX-5.   ; (I just love when some smart-ass decides to change #definese from UCX$ to TCPIP$ !)   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:49:39 +0930l/ From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>a, Subject: Re: VCC_MAXSIZE and 100 files total/ Message-ID: <3976297B.567AEEF3@wasd.vsm.com.au>i  F 100 is a nice round figure if you have ten fingers, otherwise it seemsO out-of-digital-place.  Was it that arbitrary?  What is the difference between asK "closed" file and any other contributing to the "total"?  Just curious now.k   Richard Brodie wrote:   > > "Mark Daniel" <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> wrote in message+ > news:39748F03.E48F3B45@wasd.vsm.com.au...y >dG > > I notice that the systems seem to stop caching files when the counteF > > reaches 100 ($ SHOW MEMORY/CACHE/FULL) regardless of the amount ofC > > free cache memory available.  Is this a fixed limit or is thererJ > > something else I can adjust to increase the total number cached files? >eR > It's fixed. Note the limit is on closed files, not total files. According to the1 > roadmap, this will change in XFC 1.0 (VMS 7.3).C   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jul 2000 21:20:54 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)s, Subject: Re: VCC_MAXSIZE and 100 files total+ Message-ID: <B3JGLA8l7RtD@eisner.decus.org>s  a In article <3976297B.567AEEF3@wasd.vsm.com.au>, Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> writes:rH > 100 is a nice round figure if you have ten fingers, otherwise it seemsQ > out-of-digital-place.  Was it that arbitrary?  What is the difference between aoM > "closed" file and any other contributing to the "total"?  Just curious now.o  E Clearly one is "still interested" in caching data from files that are.F currently open.  It is not so clear about files that have been closed.- Will they be opened soon again ?  Who knows ?@  C Presumably the son-of-VCC coming in the current SDK allows a largerD number of closed files.8   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:51:35 +0930t/ From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>y, Subject: Re: VCC_MAXSIZE and 100 files total/ Message-ID: <39768C5F.49139F0E@wasd.vsm.com.au>s  O I must be a thick as brick!  So from this and what Larry has said the 100 fileseT displays the number of "closed" files retained (i.e. those in which no process has aL particular interest), but there may be many more that are opened for read byP processes concurrently being cached.  If so is there any easy way to asses this?% Don't tell me ... it's in XFC 1.0 ;^)n  L BTW.  I have had queries from a number of users enquiring about the improved performance!   Richard Brodie wrote:*  > > "Mark Daniel" <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> wrote in message+ > news:39748F03.E48F3B45@wasd.vsm.com.au...e >tG > > I notice that the systems seem to stop caching files when the count*F > > reaches 100 ($ SHOW MEMORY/CACHE/FULL) regardless of the amount ofC > > free cache memory available.  Is this a fixed limit or is theredJ > > something else I can adjust to increase the total number cached files? >hR > It's fixed. Note the limit is on closed files, not total files. According to the1 > roadmap, this will change in XFC 1.0 (VMS 7.3).t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:32:04 +0200o2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)8 Subject: Re: VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Character; Message-ID: <3975e614.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   % Scott Brooks (SBROOKS@psu.edu) wrote:aJ : Is there a way in a VMS Com file to write a Form Feed to character to an : output file?   : Extra Detail:uL : I found I can use CTRL + L in Edit/TPU to add the form feed character to aL : file.  But I can't find how to do the equivalent via DCL commands in a com= : file.  I tried the following code but it also did not work:p> : PAGE_EJECT = %X0C      ! ASCII Page Eject character (Hex 0C)% : OPEN/WRITE OUT01_FILE SCOTTJUNK.TXTs : WRITE OUT01_FILE 'PAGE_EJECT : CLOSE OUT01_FILEH : This gave a 12 instead of a form feed command when looking at the file9 : with Edit/TPU.  Lastly, I looked at escape sequences ini: : SYS$SYSTEM:SMGTERMS.TXT, but that didn't shed any light.) : We are running Open VMS on a Dec Alpha.p   $ PAGE_EJECT = ""p $ PAGE_EJECT[0,8] = 12   cu,s   Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deeN One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:28:20 -0400o$ From: Scott Brooks <SBROOKS@psu.edu>D Subject: Re: VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Character --- THANKS!1 Message-ID: <s975c921.016@hmcpsugwia.hmc.psu.edu>*  L Thanks for your answers to my question on how to get a form feed character =( into an output file via a DCL com file!!   form_feed =3D f$fao("!^")r  1 worked for me and gave me the two Fs in Edit/TPU.*  H I tried each of the following.  But they all seemed to give me a 12 in =7 Edit/TPU.  So I'm not sure why they didn't work for me.h   form_feed[0,7] =3D 12a form_feed[0,8] =3D 12i form_feed[0,7] =3D %X0Cr  & But I'm glad the f$fao command worked.  % So thanks again for all your answers!e   Scott    Scott Brooks Information Technology Hershey Medical Center   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 18:54:48 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)) Subject: Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?s, Message-ID: <8l4tho$b0n@gap.cco.caltech.edu>   In article <Pine.LNX.4.05.10007191649190.18850-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>, Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> writes:$ >On 19 Jul 2000, Wayne Sewell wrote: > k >> In article <5w1d5.71$%e1.2166@typhoon.aracnet.com>, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes: P >> > OK, this is a stupid question...  Does OpenVMS have the equivalent of links >> > in UNIX?  i >   J There are some very special circumstances where you can use a logical nameF as a soft link in a Unixy sort of manner.  It can save you recoding inF those instances - but those instances tend to be far and few between.   K If the program requires a link to a FILE (not a directory) and the link hasiK no file type (it doesn't matter if the target does), then you can often getm away with something like this:     $ create moo.txt this is text $!* $! link to a file in the current directory $! $ define boohoo moo.txtv
 $ type boohooy this is text $! $! a relative link $! $ rename moo.txt [-] $ define boohoo [-]moo.txt
 $ type boohooy this is text $! $! an absolute linke $!! $ define boohoo sys$login:moo.txtk
 $ type boohooi this is text  I Unfortunately, while logicals can be created with names like ".bashrc" ora9 "foo.txt" they won't work correctly as "soft links".  Ie o  " $ define .bashrc sys$Login:moo.txt $ sho log .bashrc 6    ".BASHRC" = "SYS$LOGIN:MOO.TXT" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE) $ type .bashrcJ %TYPE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for USRDISK:[USERS.MATHOG.FOO].BASHRC; -RMS-E-FNF, file not found  - Which limits the methods usefulness severely.R   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech h   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 23:50:35 GMT/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> ) Subject: Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?c* Message-ID: <8l5esb$j0j$1@news1.Radix.Net>  3 Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote:   ^ > In article <8l4ffk$fd5$2@news1.Radix.Net>, Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> writes:H > :is there a reliable way to tell how many times a file's been entered?  L >   Match up the duplicated FIDs, during ANALYZE/DISK/LIST or DIRECTORY/FILEK >   or some other tool making direct or indirect access to the index file. >K >   I'm not aware of a count maintained anywhere, and there may or may not -= >   still be a "primary" alias entry left around on the disk.i  F which was my point - with Unix, one can simply do 'stat()' on the fileF to find the number of links.  analyzing the disk is comparable to what" lsof does (potentially very slow).   --  = Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>/ http://dickey.his.comf ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:23:20 -0400h. From: "Steven Shamlian" <not.an@earthling.net> Subject: Re: VMS fortunes?2 Message-ID: <8l59s2$68i$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>  J That (taking the VAX away from them) is EXACTLY what I did at my school..., They're giving it to me in a week.  :-) Yay! =+=Steve=+=pA PS: Hmm.. that had nothing to do with fortunes.. ooooh welllll...   9 "Howard S Shubs" <hshubs@mindspring.com> wrote in messageA8 news:hshubs-9D1435.20113118072000@news.mindspring.com...= > In article <8l2qjc$1hht$1@junkie.gnofn.org>, Ellis E Hardinw > <eeh01@gnofn.org> wrote: >-H > >The university is literally hours away from shutting down our VAX forI > >good, and they have already taken it off the network, and disconnectedr theaB > >modems.  So, all I have available right now is the source code. >TA > So take the VAX away from them, unless they have a better idea.u >e > --! > Howard S Shubs, the Denim Adeptj   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:00:32 +0930 / From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>g% Subject: Re: Web browser and VMS mail / Message-ID: <3975F3C8.2C86D679@wasd.vsm.com.au>    Hi Carl,   Carl Perkins wrote:e  N > I also had to make several alterations to yahMAIL, all due to C RTL issues -L > in fact, 2 out of 3 types of errors were due to fprintf issues and the 3rdO > was an sprintf issue. There was a problem with long output in one place which-J > lost a few dozen bytes in the middle of data from a single fprintf, so IO > split it into two fprintf statments. Also fprintf did not deal well with nullrN > pointers - if passed a null pointer for a %s argument it had an ACCVIO as itL > tried to use a string starting at virtual address 0, so I put in tests forL > every string parameter (there are a lot of these - thank heavens for cut &M > paste!). There was also an incorrect format string in a sprintf() involving@K > an unnecessarily escaped "#" character. (YahMAIL also throws vast numbersSM > of warning when compiled with /WARN=ENABLE=ALL, mostly but not entirely dueoN > to innumerable cases of ignoring the return value of functions. These, and aO > lot of the others, are due to some rather questionable coding practices - but M > questionable practices or not, it does work once the version related issues K > were dealt with. My suggestion to the author of the program: compile witheQ > /WARN=ENABLE=ALL and fix everything so that you get no output from doing this.)   P Thanks for (finally) feeding this information back to me, and for the benefit toQ other users of yahMAIL.  Speaking of which, with all these problems I'm surprisedkO anyone can get it to work ;^)  I am particularly concerned about the "breaking"eP *printf()s ... more amazed it produces any output at all, let alone across WASD,R OSU and Purveyor (that I know about).  I have had some problems reported by users,R some of these were coding and were corrected, others were wish-list or just to letR me know that it was considered a valuable addition to their sites.  Thanks people,D the freeware developer generally needs (at least) some stroking fromO time-to-time.   The %s ACCVIO is a complete mystery.  My understanding is (from-Q looking at the behaviour) that the DECC developers had the foresight (with such a 4 common error) to merely output the comment "(null)".  R On questionable coding practices, (although doing most of my VMS programming usingD C) I often stop and wonder that the C language itself might be such.  M It's true, I developed sloppy habits at the breast of VAXC, but these days amyQ trying harder to use the valuable lint-like capabilities of the latest batches ofm3 DECC (thanks).  For instance, the latest builds useh  ! #     pragma message enable (ALL),  #     if (__DECC_VER > 60000000)$ #        pragma message enable (ALL)A #        pragma message disable (PREOPTW,NORETURNVAL1,MACROREDEF) 
 #     else% #        pragma message disable (ALL)e #     endif   S (The reason for the version check is I can't keep across which messages are unknown R in versions of DECC earlier than I currently am developing under.)  With this onlyQ gently permissive collection of indulgences it produces no compile-time messages.gS Of course I haven't made the /STANDARD=VAXC into /STANDARD=RELAXED_ANSI yet, but we H have to crawl before we can stand upright and hold our heads up high ;^)  R Thanks again, for (finally) sharing some of your yahMAIL development insights with& the rest of the yahMAIL/VMS community.  P BTW.  There will be a minor update to yahMAIL released shortly.  Just corrects aR couple of minor formatting issues and provides a JavaScript-driven message when no recipient is specified.i   (dismounts high horse)   Cheers,(  E +-------------------------------------------------------------------+sD  Mark Daniel            Opinions my own ... and on loan from others.E  mailto:Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au (Mark.Daniel@dsto.defence.gov.au)nE +-------------------------------------------------------------------+i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:16:08 -0400i0 From: Glenn and Mary Everhart <Everhart@gce.com>6 Subject: [Fwd: FW: Wish List:  I/O vs. CPU Priorities]' Message-ID: <397652D8.2787E30F@gce.com>o  J Priotitize I/O in another OS? OK; RSX11D does i/o queue by task priority. K That is, an I/O request got put into a device's queue based on the prioritynA of the task running. Therefore if your task needed more access to5> I/O, you bumped its prio up a few notches (RSX prios are 0-255A so there were lots of notches) and its i/o got to the head of the ; queue. I don't know if anyone bothered with fairness countsSA though I'd expect VMS to worry about that. I suspect too that IASr> would have had some fairness algorithms; it was pretty careful about that, as with much else.  : The odd thing is that this simple mechanism is pretty easy< to add and could be added in VMS as an option. As things are@ currently I believe the IRP queue is just in order as things are queued.c  = I would add too that VMS would need to be careful of boundaryd= conditions. There is code that depends on maintaining IRPs in,A the order issued, so you don't want to dynamically reorder thingsf< because a priority boost from say a terminal I/O has boostedC dynamic priority. Rather you want to keep IRPs in order for a givent= process (well, ktb) but have them queued between processes byd0 priority. The insert gets a little more complex.  > The NASTY part of this is that if you start playing this game,A you're no longer just pointing INSQUE or REMQUE at a queue headeri? and handling things idempotently with hardware assist. You windt? up with a software algorithm instead that has to be interlocked < by hand. Granted, it can use a spinlock of its very own, but! it WILL cost performance overall.   B This kind of feature sounds interesting, and in some circumstancesF might be useful enough to turn on. I personally don't care if it neverD shows up, but perhaps others feel differently. I suppose that if oneC were to intercept insioqc and put in something like this that wouldYE be all one needs. Hmm...an in memory patch to part of VMS which wouldCB have to be located by global. Right. Kind of thing one wants to do in macro-64.   Glenn Everhart     -----Original Message-----@ From: young_r@eisner.decus.org [mailto:young_r@eisner.decus.org]' Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 12:42 AMs To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come. Subject: Re: Wish List: I/O vs. CPU Priorities    @ In article <3975011A.EC2A4C9@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera"% <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:.   > B > Actually, what Richard mentioned remains the bane of the OpenVMSC > SysAdmin's job: you can impact the CPU scheduler, but there is noeI > accessible mechanism to prioritize the I/O traffic at the level he (and & > others in his predicament) requires. > J > By adjusting process priorities you can, to a limited degree, adjust theE > number of I/O requests a process can enque for any given time span.sB > However, once enqueued, they all seem to have (roughly) the same > priority.- >    David,  7 	Can you or someone point out a concrete example of howk6 	this feature exists in another OS?  I'm interested in9 	trying to understand this but don't quite "get it", yet.3  
 			Thanks,   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:24:41 -0700d+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>s& Subject: [Fwd: OpenVMS/Alpha and PERL]( Message-ID: <397646C9.4ADAB037@mmaz.com>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  & --Boundary_(ID_xLsltvauPO01kjdaVHs5Jw)* Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii+ Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLEt        & --Boundary_(ID_xLsltvauPO01kjdaVHs5Jw) Content-type: message/rfc822  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:24:06 -0700e+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> # Subject: Re: OpenVMS/Alpha and PERL ; To: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>c( Message-id: <397646A6.CBF56F6B@mmaz.com> Organization: Midwest Microwavef MIME-version: 1.0t& X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U), Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1+ Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE  X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000s X-Accept-Language: en,pdfjF References: <396E52EF.BB140E77@mmaz.com> <3972C9CB.B791CED4@gtech.com>  F Hi Arne, actually I think you caught the wrong reply line, that wasn'= t me but theF prior poster...  I use Perl a lot, so yes I'm in agreement with your =
 statement.F What this individual was actually looking for, that he later clarifie= d, was aF compiler called Pearl and I eventually found a German web site that h= ad Pearl 90t for various OS's...a   Cheers!"   Barrye   Arne Vajh=F8j wrote:   > "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote: > > Lothar Geyer wrote: F > > > does anyone know a PERL compiler for OpenVMS/Alpha? PERL is not=  theF >                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^= ^^^^F > > > script language used today for internet application, but a lang=	 uage user0: >     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^5 > > > about 15 years ago for technical appplications.e >gF > > If you take a peek at the VMS FAQ, you'll find locations and sugg=
 estions onF > > sources and how to build them as well as precompiled Perl 5 distr= ibutions...a >d? > Strange - I was pretty sure that Perl 5 was used for internet . > applications today (and many other things) ! >  > :-)e >o > Arne   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOm  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028o        ( --Boundary_(ID_xLsltvauPO01kjdaVHs5Jw)--   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jul 2000 16:10:31 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)= Subject: [SUM] What SCSI tapes drives does VMS 5.5-2 support? 3 Message-ID: <v$pV39ZQGTwL@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>   H         First  I'd  like  to  thank  everyone  who  posted  or  e-mailed     suggestions.  < In article <$EPNU4c0TUGQ@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, I wrote:J >         We have an old VAXstation 3100/38 running VMS 5.5-2 (I think, it/ >     is definitely some  variation  of  V5.5).X  H         FWIW, I walked across site  today  and  logged into this system.H     It's  running VMS 5.5.  No -2, no -2H4 or anything like that.   Just/     plain, vanilla, probably FIS, VMS 5.5.  :-}a  H         Next, I looked  through  the  version  of  STABACKIT.COM on thatH     system and found that all the TZ's up through TZ87 are supported, asH     is  the TLZ06 (and TLZ04).  That's nice.  I can now go to some  used2     equipment dealer and order a compatible drive.  H         At this point I'm leaning toward  the TZ87 since I've found themH     to  be  reliable in _my_ cluster, and the CompacTape III  cartridgesH     are easier to find than CompacTape II's for  the  TZ86.   The  TLZ06H     might  me a good alternative but the DLTs have better shelf life andH     read/write life (or head passes?)  than  4mm tapes, which I fell may'     be important for this installation.   0         Again, thanks to everyone who responded.               -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.EduE:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.402 ************************