1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 20 Jul 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 403       Contents:/ %PCSI-E-PARAMB, ambiguous location for file ... 3 Re: %PCSI-E-PARAMB, ambiguous location for file ... 3 Re: %PCSI-E-PARAMB, ambiguous location for file ... 3 Re: %PCSI-E-PARAMB, ambiguous location for file ...  Re: 2x AlphaServer 4100 8 Re: ??== Detecting arrival of a new file in a directory.> Re: ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR (was Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?)> Re: ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR (was Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?)> Re: ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR (was Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?) Re: Apache for VMS on UCX4.2' RE: backup/image but restore otherwise?  Re: Cluster node isn't.  Cluster node isn't. 	 decevent. 
 RE: decevent. 
 decserver 100  Dialup internet sharing routers  Re: DS10 IDE vs U2W SCSI? Re: DSNlink, modems and WIS (was: Re: Web browser and VMS mail) P Get a low price on a car without negotiating with a dealer. Know whatyou should : Good news! Kermit finally made into Charon-VAX Hobbyist...4 Re: got to remember to STOP trying to use OpenVMS...4 Re: got to remember to STOP trying to use OpenVMS...4 Re: got to remember to STOP trying to use OpenVMS... Re: Hardware Inventory Re: Hardware Inventory0 Re: How to make HP printer talk to VMS/Multinet?4 Re: I need a precise definition of "layered product"4 Re: I need a precise definition of "layered product"4 Re: I need a precise definition of "layered product"4 Re: I need a precise definition of "layered product"4 Re: I need a precise definition of "layered product"4 Re: I need a precise definition of "layered product"7 I want a message as soon as a temporary file is touched 0 Re: Importing sysuaf.lis to Echange - SAM - FILE Incremental backup question  Killing a process in VMS 7.1-2 Linux "clusters" Re: Netscape Access Violation ) Re: New Posting from Shannon Knows Compaq  PathWorks question Problem with VMSTAR  RE: report distribution  Re: report distribution  Re: report distribution  Re: report distribution  Re: report distribution  Shadow Set Failure Mode  RE: Shadow Set Failure Mode  Re: Shadow Set Failure Mode  Re: Shadow Set Failure Mode  Re: Shadow Set Failure Mode + Re: Silly Question, Remote Process priority  Re: Sun may GPL StarOffice RE: Sun may GPL StarOffice Re: Sun may GPL StarOffice# Re: Telnet to VMS appears to freeze # Re: Telnet to VMS appears to freeze  Re: UCX problem  Re: Unable to see UCX proxy  VAX Error Logs Re: VAX Error Logs# Re: VCC_MAXSIZE and 100 files total # Re: VCC_MAXSIZE and 100 files total / Re: VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Character / Re: VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Character / Re: VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Character ; Re: VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Character --- THANKS!   Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?  Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'? Re: VMS fortunes? > Re: vms$common - syscommon problems after retoring system disk Re: Web browser and VMS mail WordPerfect for OpenVMS  Re: WordPerfect for OpenVMS  Re: WordPerfect for OpenVMS  Re: WORK AT HOME RE: WORK AT HOME1 Re: [Fwd: FW: Wish List:  I/O vs. CPU Priorities]   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:01:32 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) 8 Subject: %PCSI-E-PARAMB, ambiguous location for file ...0 Message-ID: <009ED5A0.CCD29AF1@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ! Where are these error documented?   J What does this error mean?  I've always got to answer NO to the subsequent
 question:   E Terminating is strongly recommended.  Do you want to terminate? [YES]    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jul 2000 08:52:16 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) < Subject: Re: %PCSI-E-PARAMB, ambiguous location for file ...+ Message-ID: <u4REtf0gp1vr@eisner.decus.org>   p In article <009ED5A0.CCD29AF1@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:# > Where are these error documented?    Not in HELP/MESSAGE PARAMB .   > What does this error mean?  J It means you should complain to DEC about the shortcoming in HELP/MESSAGE.  D (Side note to bystanders, I know Brian, and he is quite competent at complaining to DEC :-).    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:59:44 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) < Subject: Re: %PCSI-E-PARAMB, ambiguous location for file ...0 Message-ID: <009ED5B9.B17B7985@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <u4REtf0gp1vr@eisner.decus.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes: q >In article <009ED5A0.CCD29AF1@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes: $ >> Where are these error documented? >  >Not in HELP/MESSAGE PARAMB .  >  >> What does this error mean?  > K >It means you should complain to DEC about the shortcoming in HELP/MESSAGE.  > E >(Side note to bystanders, I know Brian, and he is quite competent at  >complaining to DEC :-).  H ROTFLMAO!  Thanks, Larry.  I needed a really good laugh.  My morning hasH NOT been pleasant after yesterday's power outage to replace the service/ breaker panel.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:08:47 GMT 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> < Subject: Re: %PCSI-E-PARAMB, ambiguous location for file ...2 Message-ID: <397731FF.725D6A2A@clarityconnect.com>  8 From the DSNlink article [OpenVMS] Product Install Fails( W/"PCSI-E-PARAMB, ambiguous location..."  	 ANALYSIS:   F This problem is caused by a duplicate reference for the specified file> in the PCSI database.  The discrepancy in the database must be7 corrected for the PRODUCT command to function properly.   G The fine DSNlink article goes on to describe how one would troubleshoot  this error.   & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > # > Where are these error documented?  > L > What does this error mean?  I've always got to answer NO to the subsequent > question:  > G > Terminating is strongly recommended.  Do you want to terminate? [YES]  >  > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    --  D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:23:10 -0700 " From: "Al Jones" <alj@ctsiusa.com>  Subject: Re: 2x AlphaServer 4100/ Message-ID: <sne66ftp6tt122@corp.supernews.com>   " what will you take for your 4100's! also are you a dealer or end user    -- *** B  We sell new and refurbished SUN, SGI, DEC, HP and Compaq Systems,  Peripherals and supplies.+  Come visit our web page at www.ctsiusa.com   Alan Jones   National Account Manager &  Guarantee Business Systems, Inc.(GBS)  1230 Eagan Industrial Road 
  Suite 160  Eagan MN. 55121  	  Formerly '  Computer Technical Services Inc.(CTSI)     Phone: 1-800-650-1457  Direct: 1-651-686-1445   Fax: 1-651-688-6160    Email: alj@ctsiusa.com   ARS: N0QPM   "Mmmm. Help you I can." -Yoda    1 "Kent Rankin" <krankin@usit.net> wrote in message " news:397639CD.7429FA1F@usit.net...I > The units have no disk drives, but drives can be installed if required.  > ! > They are configured as follows:  >  > AlphaServer 4100 #1 # > 4x 300MHz 21164 w/ 2MB cache each 	 > 1GB RAM  > CDROM and Floppy drives + > Standard interfaces (SCSI, ethernet, etc)  > Dual power supplies  > Rackmounting kit installed >  > AlphaServer 4100 #2 # > 2x 600MHz 21164 w/ 8MB cache each 
 > 1GB each > CDROM and Floppy drives + > Standard interfaces (SCSI, ethernet, etc)  > Dual power supplies  > Rackmounting kit installed > 0 > Please send any questions that you might have. >  >  > Thank you,
 > Kent Rankin    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:33:03 +0100 , From: aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus)A Subject: Re: ??== Detecting arrival of a new file in a directory. D Message-ID: <aus-2007001133030001@wvia69.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>  5 In article <8l4i04$j8b$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, 1 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:  ... I > Hi Hans.  If you can use Kermit instead of FTP, read about "atomic file  > movement" here:  > . >   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/case10.html > 	 > - Frank   E Hi Frank. Many thanks for the interesting information. Our trusty old G Kermit on the Alpha is C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, OpenVMS AXP :)  We A also own a copy of  Kermit 95 for Windows 95 version 1.1.11 (13).   J The file transfer is between OpenVMS/Alpha and a PC which is interfaced toH an Abbott Axsym clinical laboratory testing system. VMS sends work orderJ files and the PC sends test results files randomly all day long - there isI no user login. A DOS program controls the Axsym with information from our 3 work order text file and prepares the results file.   = 1) What version of Kermit do we need on the PC and which OS?    I 2) After the MOVE-TO operation, can the PC start a VMS job to process the ( file? ( I seem to remember that it can.)  > 3) How does VMS signal the PC that a work order file is ready?   --  B Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:42:36 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>G Subject: Re: ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR (was Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?) , Message-ID: <8l6e1u$19o8@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  B "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message' news:39766725.5C7607E9@earthlink.net...   D > Since the file header indicates the FID of the directory where theJ > "primary" entry should be found, why does VERIFY (the program behind theJ > ANALYZE/DISK command) put a "lost" file (a file with no directory entry)G > into [SYSLOST] instead of the file's original directory (assuming the  > directory still exists)?  I The backlink can be faked; I think without excessive privileges. It could 6 then lie as a trap for an unsuspecting system manager.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:39:59 +0100 5 From: "Adrian Lumsden" <A.Lumsden@spamtrap.xdt.co.uk> G Subject: Re: ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR (was Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?) . Message-ID: <8l6eb7$uq9$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>  ? So that you can easily locate the files that have been "unlost"  and examine them?   A I wrote an UNDELETE program many years ago that put the undeleted = files back into the directory that they had been in. This was = done by using the directory file ID field in the file header. = I presume that VERIFY could do the same sort of thing but I'm C not sure that this technique would apply to all file circumstances.   
 with regards,    Adrian   --( Adrian Lumsden, XDT Computer Systems, UK" A dot Lumsden at xdt dot co dot uk  @ David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message' news:39766725.5C7607E9@earthlink.net... ? > Y'know, this "links" discussion raised a question in my mind:  > D > Since the file header indicates the FID of the directory where theF > "primary" entry should be found, why does VERIFY (the program behind the C > ANALYZE/DISK command) put a "lost" file (a file with no directory  entry)G > into [SYSLOST] instead of the file's original directory (assuming the  > directory still exists)? >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > < > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jul 2000 13:32:37 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)G Subject: Re: ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR (was Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?) 6 Message-ID: <8l6v1l$pbd$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  g In article <39766725.5C7607E9@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes: C :Since the file header indicates the FID of the directory where the I :"primary" entry should be found, why does VERIFY (the program behind the I :ANALYZE/DISK command) put a "lost" file (a file with no directory entry) F :into [SYSLOST] instead of the file's original directory (assuming the :directory still exists)?   I   The directory backlink may or may not be current, even if the directory J   listed is valid.  Would you rather have all files -- those not found in H   any directory -- consistently dropped into SYSLOST for resolution, or G   would you rather have some files dropped into SYSLOST and some files  J   potentially randomly inserted back into (outdated) directory locations, >   directories that the files had previously been removed from?  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jul 2000 12:44:27 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)% Subject: Re: Apache for VMS on UCX4.2 6 Message-ID: <8l6s7b$osi$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  C In article <8l5auj$f8f$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, twirt@kittles.com writes: H :Has anyone tried the latest beta of Apache for VMS on VMS with UCX 4.2?9 :I installed it today on VMS 7.1-1h2 and UCX 4.2 ECO 4...   I   You can continue to experiment, or you can upgrade to TCP/IP V5.0A and  K   to OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2 (or V7.2-1) -- the upgrade approach is much more  J   likely bring you into line with the folks working on these packages, as K   various incompatibilities were found during development and testing, and  J   ECOs were created and version minimum and minimum ECO requirements were    put in place...   I   A number of OpenVMS ECOs were rolled into V7.1-2, in particular, and V5 A   has a number of updates and improvements over earlier releases.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:46:57 -0300 1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> 0 Subject: RE: backup/image but restore otherwise?K Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A333739@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>   J Yes, you might want to check out the /SELECT qualifier in help for backup. - Darren   > ----------4 > From: 	gilley@bravewc.com[SMTP:gilley@bravewc.com]) > Sent: 	Thursday, July 20, 2000 12:03 AM  > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com/ > Subject: 	backup/image but restore otherwise?  > I > If I perform an image backup on a disk, can I then restore only part of  > the L > image?  I don't think there is anything special to the saveset, but my vax > is   > not in front of me.  >  > Thanks >  >  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they L are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying  of this message is prohibited.   Bank of Bermuda F **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:15:58 GMT 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>   Subject: Re: Cluster node isn't.2 Message-ID: <3977259E.57BEEAE3@clarityconnect.com>  C If none of the current cluster members show this node in their SHOW D CLUSTER display then these members have never seen a SCS packet fromH this node or the SCS packets they have seen are a different group numberF and password.  You appears to have ruled out the CLUSTER_AUTHORIZE.DATF as a source of problems so check to see if the network widgets between4 this system and the cluster are passing SCS packets.  C If some of the current cluster members show this node in their SHOW F CLUSTER display then some members have seen the properly formatted SCSF packets but not all have.  In this case determine what network widgetsA are not passing the SCS packets between this node and the cluster & members that have not seen the system.   "Leigh G. Bowden" wrote: > M > An AlphaStation that forms one of a 20+ node cluster was shutdown and moved  > about ten feet between desks.  > L > Now when it boots it doesn't join the cluster or make any attempt to do soH > but one can SET HOST in and out with out trouble. It does appear to goL > through the montions though i.e. no errors at start up but makes a cluster > of one - itself. > M > The CLUSTER_AUTHORIZE file is fine and SYSMAN> CONFIG SHOW CLUSTER seems OKh
 > as well. > M > I have rebooted this machine out of the cluster and tried to add it back in 6 > with CLUSTER_CONFIG but it didn't want to play ball. > N > By "happy" chance we had a power failure and the cluster has also been reset> > but still this node still doesn't want to join in the party. > H > All nodes are running V6.2 of either VAX or Alpha versions of OpenVMS.   -- mD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:57:19 -0600r- From: Lorin Ricker <Lorin.Ricker@t-netix.com>e Subject: Cluster node isn't.I Message-ID: <418E68E524A8D311ACCE00508B78866A7680D5@exchange.t-netix.com>a  D Can you manage to run a (temporary) wire from the *original* networkJ hole-in-the-wall (the one at the original 20'-feet away location where theC system was connected when it actually worked) to the errant system? F Re-experimenting with the original network wiring config would tend toF confirm or disprove network-related can't-cluster reasons, and let youL either focus on those or move on to other investigations.  Approach would beI to restore as much of the original "working" config as you can, then moveo5 one "variable" at a time until you find what's wrong.F   Lorind   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:36:36 +0200S$ From: "Elmar Dam" <elmar@casema.net> Subject: decevent.' Message-ID: <8l6h71$1r$1@popeye.eur.nl>u   please help me with this,    What to do with this reply ?  I Reply received from node spinet from user SYSTEM at spinet Batch 12:30:24r9 Spinet, BB error: Process DECEVENT_SPINET is disappeared.    How to start decevent again?4 It disappeared after a reboot, cause this node hang.  ; I would very glad if some of you can help me out with this,e4 i know this isn't much info but it is all i can get.  D in my sys$common:[sys$startup] is a file called decevent$startup.com( but if i start this it wont help me out,  . so id someone got an idea, please let me know?   Regards,  
 Elmar Dam.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:53:10 -0300e1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>o Subject: RE: decevent.K Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A33373A@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>   F run the DECEVENT$STARTUP command procedure with a parameter of RESTART   i.e.  ) $  @SYS$STARTUP:DECEVENT$STARTUP  RESTART-   - Darren   > ----------) > From: 	Elmar Dam[SMTP:elmar@casema.net]R( > Sent: 	Thursday, July 20, 2000 6:36 AM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: 	decevent.e >  > please help me with this,S >  > What to do with this reply ? > K > Reply received from node spinet from user SYSTEM at spinet Batch 12:30:24 ; > Spinet, BB error: Process DECEVENT_SPINET is disappeared.. >  > How to start decevent again?6 > It disappeared after a reboot, cause this node hang. > = > I would very glad if some of you can help me out with this, 6 > i know this isn't much info but it is all i can get. > F > in my sys$common:[sys$startup] is a file called decevent$startup.com* > but if i start this it wont help me out, > 0 > so id someone got an idea, please let me know? > 
 > Regards, >  > Elmar Dam. >  >  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theynL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyings of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudaaF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:11:35 +0930RA From: "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrobx@stmarksx.ppx.catholicx.edux.aux>  Subject: decserver 1003 Message-ID: <ncxd5.39560$N4.1519329@ozemail.com.au>   G Anyone know where decserver 100 boot files are hidden these days?  I'vea@ had a look on the CD set for VMS 6.2 and can find them for everyH decserver from 200 up.  I know it's old and only does LAT, but that's ok for my purposes..k   Cheers     --
 Geoff Roberts  Computer Systems Manager Saint Mark's College Port Pirie,o South Australial6 geoffrob at stmarks dot pp dot catholic dot edu dot au ICQ: 1970476   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:46:36 GMT-+ From: rjordan@mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan) ( Subject: Dialup internet sharing routers0 Message-ID: <0WGd5.71$JL5.7068@news.goodnet.com>  E I've been reviewing some earlier discussion about the dialup internet.E access sharing boxes (dialup router with NAT, allows multiple clientsSC on a local LAN to access the internet via a PPP dialup link) and I a? want to use one to get my systems online.  Can anyone recommend 6 one that has the capability of supporting what amounts! to a 'server' on the client side?n  C Situation:  home network with my VMScluster on it (three nodes, twoeB VAXen and one Alphastation).  I just got a nice network-only laser< printer (no standard ports, just 10Base-T with IP protocol).4 I've test printed to it from the Alpha and it works. fine.u  D What I'd like to be able to do is use the dialup box to set up a PPPF (RAS, but not to an NT box) link to work and have the work machines beA able to print to that laser printer.  Since the dialup box almost H certainly will only present one external address (probably DHCP-derived)E are any of them capable of redirecting inbound packets to an internalcD host based on the port number being used?  Or some similar facility?C I know I could probably set up some chain of LPR/LPD queues throughm7 one of the VMS systems, but if possible I'd rather not.e  I I've got the book for a Kingston EtheRx, which cannot apparently do this.eC Anything else short of a full blown (expensive) router provide this  capability?r  	 Thanks...N   Rich Jordana rjordan@mcs.net,   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:17:29 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> ! Subject: Re: DS10 IDE vs U2W SCSIB( Message-ID: <8l6u3e$16u$1@pyrite.mv.net>  I I suspect you'll find the IDE drive's read performance much closer to the L SCSI's if you turn on the drive's read-cache.  And write performances shouldH be closer if you turn on the drive's write-cache, if you're using a fileL system that normally defers writes anyway, though with that you'll be givingE up some protection for applications that depend on fsync to establishiK persistence - and it's certainly something one shouldn't do if running VMS.#   - bill  = David Mathog <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote in messagei& news:8l4idq$35c@gap.cco.caltech.edu...J > Since nobody from Compaq came up with numbers, I ran a test on two LinuxK > DS10s, to at least give a relative indication of the relative performancen ofB > SCSI vs. IDE perfomrance on a DS10.  The OS in both cases was RH
 6.2/Alpha,' > and both machines have 512 Mb of Ram.l >eK > The first machine has an Intraserver ITI-6100 U2W controller and 2 IBM 18  Gb > LVD disks. >-K > The second machine has the DS10 IDE controller and 8.4 Gb Western Digitalr > IDE disk.s > J > I don't have the model numbers of either disk - I would have to open the > boxes to find out. >0	 > cd /tmp90 > dd if=/dev/zero of=bigfile bs=1024 count=500001 > dd if=/dev/zero of=wiper   bs=1024 count=500000. > cat wiper > /dev/nullu. > date ;  cat bigfile > /dev/null ; sync ;date. > date ;  cat bigfile > bigfile2  ; sync ;date >eJ > (note, not "cp wiper /dev/null" since on RH 6.2/Alpha that was replacing' > the /dev/null with a real file, ugh.)e >t >         bigfile  bigfile2l >         read     write >         from     to disk frome >         disk     file cachep > SCSI       4         4 > IDE       22        23 > L > I can't say how OpenVMS would perform with these IDE disks, but clearly atL > the hardware/controller level these IDE disks are not as quick as the SCSI > disks. >nI > Maybe Compaq should look into upgrading the IDE in the DS10 to ATA66 orS	 > ATA100.n >l
 > Regards, >h > David Mathog > mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edup@ > Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:41:05 -0400a- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> H Subject: Re: DSNlink, modems and WIS (was: Re: Web browser and VMS mail). Message-ID: <sne7dgs96tt41@corp.supernews.com>  A Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515 wrote in message-* <9ADQdkm7DevX@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>... > ...rB >        Note that many people have complained about modem support (bugs)F >    in DNSlink 2.2.  Another  cluster  at  our  site (with the modem) isD >    still  running  DSNlink 1.2C for that reason.  But if you _can_ useaB >    TCP/IP, even through a firewall, then you may  find  yourself quitei >    happy with DSNlink 2.2E.w > ...e    F When we tried V2.2 we had no problems with the modems. The problems weC had were with the terrible DSN ITS interface. It was just too Unixy F for this VMS Bigot. We had a list of problems and bugs just in the ITSE part itself that I can not find anymore. If someone searches Deja foriE DSN I know there were previous threads on various problems with V2.2.nD V1.2C works just fine for me except that on occasion I have to phoneD Kanata and ask them to reset their modems or reset the modems at our side.x  F The WIS interface on the other hand tries to do exactly what Hoff saidF should not be done with a HTTP interface. When I tried to use it I wasA putting in my problem statement when someone came to my desk with D another problem. I took care of that and went back to the WIS screenB and finished my problem statement. I tried to post it and was toldD that I had timed out and needed to log into WIS again. I tried usingC the back and forward buttons on I.E. to log in again and re-post myeE problem, but in the end (after 15 to 20 minutes of frustration) I hadgC to open a new I.E. window, log in through that and cut and paste myoF problem statement from one window to another. I could not believe that> anyone could suggest replacing DSN (V1.2) with such a terribleE interface. I guess if someone is going from DSN V2.2 to WIS then they A are already used to dealing with garbage. But I'll kept using DSNe V1.2.    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:37:52 +0120 (PM)  From: TcrZa6039@freeautoquote.nuY Subject: Get a low price on a car without negotiating with a dealer. 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You will not recieve this message again.y; To request remove from list go to: http://3408708610/removec List Management Services.o   b-2l   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:25:28 GMT 0 From: Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org>C Subject: Good news! Kermit finally made into Charon-VAX Hobbyist...n8 Message-ID: <YcCd5.438281$VR.5546269@news5.giganews.com>   Hello Folks:  ? After I made disk image larger like RZ56 disk drive (640MB) andyI re-installed OpenVMS v7.2.  I bumped two TTY settings to 2064 from 200/78eC and rebooted system....  I cut and pasted a license pak for OpenVMS-B operating system without any problems.  If I did not bumped, I got/ repeating overrun errors each attempt to paste.a  F Successfully I transmitted two ASCII files (vmsdeh.mar and vmsmit.hex)G into my Charon-VAX via DHV controller without any problems.  I compiledAI and run vmsdeh to dehexify vmsmit.hex into executable file.  Successfully.$ I ran kermit-32 v1.3.3 (vmsmit.exe).  D I uploaded my license paks into my Charon-VAX via kermit without anyI overrun errors!  Yes, I executed license paks to enable applications that1( came with my OpenVMS Hobbyist CD.  Whew!  H Good job, Frank for provide the VAX installation instruction at Kermit'sG web site!  Yes, I first hear kermit during my college life more than 10b> years ago.  I used kermit to upload and download my files withF Gallaudet University's VAX system for Bitnet and Internet.  Yes, I was. 11TSTARK@GALLUA.BITNET more than 10 years ago.   -- Tim Stark   -- mC Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.org, sword7@firesword7.netlJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jul 2000 09:23:09 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)= Subject: Re: got to remember to STOP trying to use OpenVMS...s+ Message-ID: <sQKf3gFB$Ett@eisner.decus.org>3  ` In article <8l1red$2sfj$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  K > Hmmm. "<sys/types.h>" is a totally OS dependant statement and has nothing.K > to do with the language.  Maybe your complaint is with the standards bodymJ > and not the UNIX programmers for trying to standardize something outside > their domain.i  G   Yes, it does have something to do with the language.  People who know F   the ANSI C standard better than I have said that the use of paths inA   an #include reference is disallowed by the language standard.  *  I   This is independent of the fact that UNIX and VMS C compilers can both tK   deal with it.  (Most Windows and Mac compilers I've tried don't deal withv   it).   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jul 2000 09:28:20 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)= Subject: Re: got to remember to STOP trying to use OpenVMS... + Message-ID: <I0vaDjC7aBfb@eisner.decus.org>e  ` In article <8l1red$2sfj$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:- > In article <WA0Ur0+MoHkL@eisner.decus.org>,d1 >  koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) writes:*e > |> In article <8kvck5$1h3p$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  > |> .J > |> > First of all, I do not know of anyone in the Unix camp who has everG > |> > claimed there is such a thing as "Standard Unix".  That seems toc2 > |> > remain the claim of people like VMS bigots. > |> aG > |> So what do you think was going on when a UNIX publication reviewedSK > |> Digital's first release of OSF/1 and wondered in print why it couldn'tp) > |> have been more like a standard UNIX?E > J > I can't imagine.  I'm fairly certain that at that point in time UNIX wasL > the un-published private property of AT&T and I am relatively certain that= > AT&T never published a document called "The UNIX Standard".h  A   Nonsequitur, my point being that someone "in the UNIX camp" and E   clearly not "VMS bigots" was making an implied claim to a "Standard H   UNIX".  This is independent of who at the time owned UNIX or what that   owner did.   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jul 2000 14:51:42 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)= Subject: Re: got to remember to STOP trying to use OpenVMS...t6 Message-ID: <8l73lu$pvl$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Z In article <I0vaDjC7aBfb@eisner.decus.org>, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) writes:a :In article <8l1red$2sfj$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:i. :> In article <WA0Ur0+MoHkL@eisner.decus.org>,2 :>  koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) writes:f :> |> In article <8kvck5$1h3p$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:H :> |> > ...anyone in the Unix camp who has ever claimed there is such a L :> |> > thing as "Standard Unix".  That seems to remain the claim of people  :> |> > like VMS bigots...  '   re: Of bigots and standards and campsM  D   Can we at least agree to quibble about something interesting?  :-)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jul 2000 13:25:14 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Hardware Inventoryg6 Message-ID: <8l6ujq$pbd$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  s In article <v04210119b59be2f52efc@[128.218.59.173]>, Noel Madlansacay <noel.madlansacay@radiology.ucsf.edu> writes:oI :We're doing a hardware inventory and I would like to get information viaa; :VMS show dev or f$getdvi or MCR SYSGEN Show configuration.   C   The information presented via OpenVMS does not, can not, and willrB   not normally make your typical physical inventory auditor happy.A   What is available to OpenVMS is normally enough to identify thea=   system, once properly configured -- but the auditors I have B   experience with will generally want to see the parts, as that isC   what they are ensuring is present.  Most won't know a KDM70 board0A   from an HSZ70, but they do know about part and serial numbers.)g  0 :I have the ff info (done via visual inspection) :t :- VAX 4000-705A (BA213)! :- R400X Disk Drive expansion Boxo :- SF 106-AA (tape and drive)a     Open the Q-bus up and look.    :in CPUr :    2 KQSFA controllers :    1 CXY08_M controllert? :	(how can I determine what are connected to this controllers?)h     Open the box up and look.m  G :I was able to get the Serial Number for our VAX400-500 because it was  D :written down, but I wonder how I can get that information thru VMS.  C   You can't access the manufacturing (contract) serial number from eD   OpenVMS.  (On various Alpha systems and on a few VAX systems, someC   form of an electronic serial number can be manually encoded, but  C   this may or may not be set up on any particular system.  Auditorsv.   generally want to see the hardware sticker.)  G :I don't know how many memory boards we have.  And show memory doesn't e :tell me that.  @   OpenVMS doesn't particularly care about that -- on more recentC   systems, the console passes OpenVMS the system configuration, andnC   OpenVMS uses it.  On OpenVMS VAX, the bootstrap handles detectingaC   the specifics of the available physical memory but (so long as it F   is contiguous and good) OpenVMS does not really care how the memory ,   is organized or what controllers are used.  +   Open the box up and look, in other words.p  B :Gathering information about the disk drive is easy thru VMS SHOW 4 :DEVICE/FULL and F$GETDVI in getting serial numbers.  :   You can't reliably get disk serial numbers from OpenVMS.  F :But I am not sure how to do it for other devices.  I can't even tell  :what the other devices are: :t/ :Device                  Device           Error,0 :  Name                   Status           Count/ :PAA0:                   Online               0      DSSI port.  / :AA0:                    Online               0*  E   No clue.  Some sort of local software pseudo device?  (The only AA  D   device driver prefix I see is listed as a pseudo device component 
   of DSM.)  / :EZAx:                   Online               0u     Various Ethernet protocols.d  / :FYA0:                   Offline              0n  B   Diagnostic and Utilities Protocol (DUP) driver, used for variousF   purposes including SET HOST/DUP.  No associated hardware controller.  / :MPA0:                   Offline              0.  C   Donno, not a standard prefix for OpenVMS VAX, and not in the list*D   of registered device driver prefixes.  (Which means somebody mightE   not be playing by the naming and driver prefix registration rules.)p  / :PAB0:                   Online               0s     Port driver.  / :PUx0:                   Online               1      Port drivers.f  / :WSA0:                   Offline              0h     Workstation pseudo-driver.  D :You're help would be appreciated.  We're trying to gather detailed D :hardware information as much as possible without bringing down the  :system.  C   Auditors and accountants generally like to see physical hardware.l  F   It will usually be faster to shut down the system down and show the F   boards to the auditors.  From past experience with these folks, makeG   sure you keep a copy of the list of parts and the serial numbers for aF   the auditors, as (for some unknown reason) the auditor's copy tends G   to get lost and then they have to come back and re-audit your system.s  E   While there is generally no need to shut down most systems to do a lA   hardware audit, there are a few systems around that have power  D   interlocks for purposes of assured cooling, and there is the risk 2   that you'll unplug or otherwise perturb the box.  D   With the BA213 box, you can open up the entire front cover and get2   to the covers on the spines of the Q-bus cards.   H   With those Q-bus cards that have detachable covers, you can even pull H   those off -- if the cover has a pair of twist-locks, you can probably H   remove it and (carefully) look at the Q-bus module.  Some covers will J   be blanks, with an open Q-bus slot underneath.  If the cover has a pair J   of levers and a pair of twist-lock, then the cover is probably attached I   onto the Q-bus card and you can't remove the cover -- else you'll pull )J   the card right out of the Q-bus cage, and that's not something you want E   to do with the power up, much less with the OpenVMS system running.n  E   The spine of the card will have an imprint or those cards that havetH   attached covers will have a sticker with an "M" number, and this will F   uniquely identify the type of card.  The card may or may not have a    serial number.    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:54:08 GMT % From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com>@ Subject: Re: Hardware Inventoryl) Message-ID: <8l73q7$n9r$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   6 In article <8l6ujq$pbd$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,&   hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote: [...]f1 > :MPA0:                   Offline              0n > E >   Donno, not a standard prefix for OpenVMS VAX, and not in the listlF >   of registered device driver prefixes.  (Which means somebody mightG >   not be playing by the naming and driver prefix registration rules.)f  D Might be a template for the pipes (this from OpenVMS Alpha - doesn't VAX have them, too?):s) $ATHENA> pipe a=1 | show logical sys$pipe 3    "SYS$PIPE" = "_ATHENA$MPA2:" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  $ATHENA>  1 > :PAB0:                   Online               0f >e >   Port driver.  ; Isn't that the second DSSI port of the VAX-4000 Modell 500? $ (I hope I got the name correctly ;-)   --
 Uwe Zessin    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.0   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:05:57 GMTe From: r.m@mailandnews.comr9 Subject: Re: How to make HP printer talk to VMS/Multinet?a. Message-ID: <39772f71.63033727@news-2.csn.net>  A On 19 Jul 2000 22:04:31 GMT, bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)r wrote:  F >Hi.  This must be an old question, but I can't remember the answer.   > K >Another user (with his own system, of course :-), has asked me for help inaM >setting up a printer queue.  He has a VAXstation 4000/90 running OpenVMS 6.2lO >and is running Multinet V4.0(102).  I'm not very familiar with Multinet, which. >is why I'm posting here.b >iN >We're trying to set up a print queue that prints to a HP laserjet printer.  IO >went through the Multinet menus to configure a printer.  I gave it the correct'I >IP address and port number.  I know they are correct because the printer O >configuration page, when I printed it, gave me the IP address, and I then used  >TELNET/PORT=9100 ipaddresskO >to connect to it.  The printer accepted the telnet request (the TELNET command N >connected me instead of hanging), so that confirms the printer is on the net,4 >has that IP address, and is listening on port 9100.  D But did you type stuff in at this point?  Once you telnet in to thatD port whatever you type should get printed.  If it doesn't then it is going to some other system.S  C Other than that everything else looks OK to me. Having a reset like;C the othe poster mentioned would be a good idea, so that the printerc! always winds up in a known state.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:54:32 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> = Subject: Re: I need a precise definition of "layered product" ) Message-ID: <3976DA68.9E7D5CC8@gtech.com>h   alan48@my-deja.com wrote:y8 > What is the *precise* definition of "layered product"?   > In particular: > H > Does a product's having been installed via VMSINSTAL make it a layered
 > product? > D > Are any third-party products such as MultiNet (Process Software, II > believe) or CAM considered layered products or are all layered productsn > from Compaq/digital? > 5 > Is ALL-IN-1 (V3.1 if it matters) a layered product?i > C > Are any programs/whatevers on the Freeware CD for OpenVMS layereda > products?o   Good question.  @ I can not give an exact definition, but I will try and narrow it a bit down.e  A Layered products are products that are very tigth integrated witht VMS.  % Obvious examples of layered products: @   - a TCP/IP package that install a device driver and is used by%     DCL (COPY/FTP etc.) and the C RTL A   - a defragger that has to know the internals of the file-systeme     and IO-systemd  < Obvious examples of products that are not layerede products:
   - compilers.   - HTTP-servers
   - databasesa  # So I think characteristics must be:r(   - often VMS has "holes" ready for them7   - will often have to be upgraded when VMS is upgraded.   - usually require privsh6   - contain core functionality often included in an OS7   - an error in the product can easily crash the systemg  @ In theory a layered product could be installed by something else; than VMSINSTAL and PCSI INSTALL, but in practive I would bed: very reluctant to install a layered product, if the vendor2 did not have the technical skill to make it either" VMSINSTALable or PCSI INSTALLable.  ; I can not see any reason, why this label should be reserveda9 for Digital/Compaq products. But traditionally I think it  only used for them.K   Hope it helps.   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jul 2000 08:43:45 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)P= Subject: Re: I need a precise definition of "layered product"o+ Message-ID: <rOvjjitKRnT$@eisner.decus.org>u  D In article <8l634l$vmi$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, alan48@my-deja.com writes:  8 > What is the *precise* definition of "layered product"?  = There is no "official" definition.  The "precise" definition, 2 based on years of usage is totally non-techinical.   > In particular: > H > Does a product's having been installed via VMSINSTAL make it a layered
 > product?   No.   D > Are any third-party products such as MultiNet (Process Software, II > believe) or CAM considered layered products or are all layered productsr > from Compaq/digital?  B No, by usage over the years, "layered product" means one from DEC.  5 > Is ALL-IN-1 (V3.1 if it matters) a layered product?0  G Anything with a DEC part number that is not a SIP is a layered product.G  C > Are any programs/whatevers on the Freeware CD for OpenVMS layered  > products?$  M No.  VAX SCAN, for example, is a former layered product.  Now it is Freeware.l  I > Is LaTeX a layered product? (I once installed LaTeX on a VAXcluster andYF > IIRC I did not use VMSINSTAL to do it. I just had to copy it, set upE > some logical names, and write perhaps a few appropriate DCL commandf > procedures.)  E No, although installation has nothing to do with it.  The only reasonyD you might suspect it is a layered product is that Leslie Lamport was; a DEC employee.  But LaTeX was freeware, not a DEC product.A   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:25:28 GMTl/ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>o= Subject: Re: I need a precise definition of "layered product" C Message-ID: <YcCd5.97$RG6.10592@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>t  K I had thought this was an easy question, but I see from the other responsesh thatI I must have been naive.   I would have thought that a layered product wasu anymG product that is "layered" on top of the OS.  If you install the OS, andn there isI something you need that is not there, you install a "layered" product.  II
 have dealtH with layered products with various manufacturers that have nothing to do with DECpaq.    F "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message% news:rOvjjitKRnT$@eisner.decus.org...-F > In article <8l634l$vmi$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, alan48@my-deja.com writes: >a: > > What is the *precise* definition of "layered product"? >l? > There is no "official" definition.  The "precise" definition,-4 > based on years of usage is totally non-techinical. >9 > > In particular: > >nJ > > Does a product's having been installed via VMSINSTAL make it a layered > > product? >e > No.D >sF > > Are any third-party products such as MultiNet (Process Software, IK > > believe) or CAM considered layered products or are all layered productsy > > from Compaq/digital? >dD > No, by usage over the years, "layered product" means one from DEC. >m7 > > Is ALL-IN-1 (V3.1 if it matters) a layered product?o >mI > Anything with a DEC part number that is not a SIP is a layered product., > E > > Are any programs/whatevers on the Freeware CD for OpenVMS layeredN
 > > products?e >rE > No.  VAX SCAN, for example, is a former layered product.  Now it isd	 Freeware.y >eK > > Is LaTeX a layered product? (I once installed LaTeX on a VAXcluster and H > > IIRC I did not use VMSINSTAL to do it. I just had to copy it, set upG > > some logical names, and write perhaps a few appropriate DCL commanda > > procedures.) >:G > No, although installation has nothing to do with it.  The only reasontF > you might suspect it is a layered product is that Leslie Lamport was= > a DEC employee.  But LaTeX was freeware, not a DEC product.u   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jul 2000 12:43:39 GMT8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)= Subject: Re: I need a precise definition of "layered product"f6 Message-ID: <8l6s5r$our$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  D In article <8l634l$vmi$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, alan48@my-deja.com writes:  7 >What is the *precise* definition of "layered product"?i  F I cannot point to an "authoritative" definition, but the way I use theF term is this:  All software products fit into one of three categories:  M (1) Operating Systems (OS) -- The definition of which is left as an exercise.   H (2) System Integrated Products (SIP) -- These are software which is partF of the OS and cannot be installed/removed separately, but which may beH licensed separately from the OS.  OpenVMS Clusters and Volume Shadowing  are examples of SIPs.h  L (3) All other software products are layered products.  It is irrelevant thatM they are installed with VMSINSTAL, the POLYCENTER Software Information (PCSI)iK utility, or some other, ad hoc method.  Some LPs, e.g. DECwindows Motif andnJ DECnet Plus, require that certain supoprt options of the OS are present.  K DECnet Phase IV _used_ to be a SIP; it is now an LP.  Other products, like )N compilers, database management systems, etc. are LPs.  LPs are oftern further @ divided into Compaq (DEC) LPs and "3rd party"  (non-Compaq) LPs.  J Note that by this definition, the term "LP" does not differentiate betweenH "core" LPs, like GUI/windowing products, networking products, etc., and 7 other LPs, like compilers, accouting applciations, etc.s  K Note also that "user applications" do not fit into any of these categories.k5 This is because user applications are not "products".u   -- GK     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USAhF          (hammond@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jul 2000 13:48:20 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)= Subject: Re: I need a precise definition of "layered product"e6 Message-ID: <8l6vv4$pfv$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  D In article <8l634l$vmi$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, alan48@my-deja.com writes:  0 : [...what does "layered product" mean?... -srh]  G   The short answer to "what is a layered product" is this: there is no .L   specific official definition of  "layered product", that is a descriptive H   phrase that differentiates the product and its packaging from, say, a G   random collection non-productized files and from a system-integrated  E   product (SIP), such as volume shadowing.  Compaq C is considered a  F   layered product, as would the (unsupported) Macro64 and VDE packages    found on the OpenVMS Freeware.  K   Concentrate on the technologies you are familiar with and on your system aD   knowledge in the resume, and in the interview.  Take a look at theI   available training materials and the sample test referenced in the FAQ.    	--u  H   Per the Ask The Wizard rules, please do not duplicate questions posed D   here and over in the ATW area -- if you really need an answer to aG   question (or if you really need a fast answer to a question), please  5   use the available formal support channels.  Thanks!n  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:58:49 -0400r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t= Subject: Re: I need a precise definition of "layered product"', Message-ID: <397721B7.3C16745D@videotron.ca>   Arne Vajh=F8j wrote:C > Layered products are products that are very tigth integrated with  > VMS. > =   ' > Obvious examples of layered products: B >   - a TCP/IP package that install a device driver and is used by' >     DCL (COPY/FTP etc.) and the C RTLsC >   - a defragger that has to know the internals of the file-systeme >     and IO-system   : I disagree. In my head (which has been known to be faulty:   You have the Operating SystemnJ You have SIP (System integrated products (clustering, shadowing). In that=  J group, I would also include networking stacks such as TCPIP and DECNET ev= enF though they are probably layered products from Compaq's point of view.  F And then layered products, anything which is installed over the above.  = For instance, if you look at the traditional ALL-IN-1 on VAX.g  H You first installed Message Router, then DECNotes, then the CDA CoverterJ Libraries, and then ALL-IN-1 (and then any products layered on top of All= -in-1fJ (customized applications etc) Each one of those , i woudl call a layered = product.  > > Obvious examples of products that are not layerede products: >   - compilers, >   - HTTP-servers >   - databases   J Of course, later came the term "Middleware" which would include databases= , and0J probably message router (and its not so successful attempt at a replaceme= nt Mailbus400).o  J I would not distinguish between DEC-Compaq and third party products anymo= re? since DEC sold off most of its assets in terms of applications.    I would personally use:e 	Operating system  	Middleware 
 	Applicationsi   As classifications.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:28:52 -0400s  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com@ Subject: I want a message as soon as a temporary file is touched4 Message-ID: <C2256922.0059A246.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  ? I have one machine in a cluster that runs a batch on NODEA thatx9 submits a batch to a queue on NODEB which which creates aaC file just before it ends.  The batch on NODEA detects this file and A then does more processing (this is old code).  Sometimes, lately, ? the batch on NODEA does not "see" the file.  I had the batch on ; NODEB submit another batch over to NODEA to create the filei: from NODEA and the problem did not go away.  The log in my< new little batch has a DIRECTORY command in it that verifiesC the presence of 2 versions of the file (one from the original batchr= on NODEB and one from itself on NODEA, but the original BATCHsA process looping on NODEA does not detect the file.  This does notiC happen every time, of course, but is happening more frequently over  time.   " The code to check looks like this:   $!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~s $CHECK_FOR_TEMPFILE: $!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~s
 $   SHOW TIME  $   SET NOONB $   TEMPFILE_OK = F$FILE_ATTRIBUTES("TEMP_DIR:TEMPFILE.TMP","EOF") $   ERR_IND = $SEVERITYd
 $   SET ON/ $   IF ERR_IND .EQ. 1 THEN GOTO TEMPFILE_EXISTS  $   WAIT 0:1:0 $   GOTO CHECK_FOR_TEMPFILE  $     !s $!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ $TEMPFILE_EXISTS:r $!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~    K To add to the mystery, if the file is created interactively by an operator,nB the batch on NODEA detects it and resumes, and about 3 hours laterE the same batch job is again submitted to NODEB and the original batcheI job has never failed to detect the newly-created temporary file from thatkF process at that time (Of the earlier set has been deleted in between).  I Can someone provide syntax to alarm this file right after I create it, sotF I can see if something else is touching it or if the batch on NODEA is really touching it.e  G Of course, if someone can explain what's happening from the descriptionl that would be even nicer.    -Norm    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:54:42 +0200e= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> 9 Subject: Re: Importing sysuaf.lis to Echange - SAM - FILEc) Message-ID: <3976BE51.38615C00@gtech.com>r   JF Mezei wrote:  > Hoff Hoffman wrote:yM > >   As for exporting the authorization data, you can get most of this stuff-N > >   out of OpenVMS using a variety of tools and approaches, but OpenVMS doesJ > >   not store a text-format password -- you can't get the password back. > L > Correct about the password. Hadn't thought of that. Even All-in-1's script3 > access to SYSUAF doesn't descramble the password.l  @ Selling an OS with a password hashing algorithm that is supposedD to be irreversible *AND* a layered product that can reverse it would not look good !M   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:20:54 +1200x, From: "Bernie Milo" <milosavljevi@usp.ac.fj>$ Subject: Incremental backup question Message-ID: <$y5cq+fVuElJ@belo>o   Hi,a  L This is probably going to sound like a silly question but how does one do an incremental restore?  P In my backups, I did a backup device:[dire...]*.*/since=backup  saveset.bck/save  L I have reason to do a full restore, and I want to apply the incrementals but
 when I try> backup /rewind tape:saveset.bck/save  device: /log/incremental  % I tried adding a /select=[dire...]*.*X but that made no difference.  # I keep getting a file syntax error.e    Can anyone see the obvious here?  I I'd really appreciate some tips here, I am just finding out how important, backups are!   Bernie.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:08:47 +0200M< From: "Uhlhorn, Anneliese" <Anneliese.Uhlhorn@SLV.bayern.de>' Subject: Killing a process in VMS 7.1-2f= Message-ID: <4913AE76C4E1D2118F9900105A0EF7004E1A16@komserv3>    Hi all,u  H We have a problem killing a process in Alpha VMS 7.1-2. The process hass mounted a TZ87 an we have noL chance to kill it. Process is in state LEF. If we try to stop it, no message( is returned but the proc is still alive.H Then we tried to eliminate the drive and waited for 30 Minutes. But this% doesn't help. Is there another way ton/ kill the process without rebooting the system?     Thank you in advance with regards Anneliese Uhlhorn    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jul 2000 15:04:10 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Linux "clusters" , Message-ID: <8l74da$hd5@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  E Here's an article which describes development work (by SGI!) on LinuxuF clusters specifically designed to behave like VMS clusters.  Given theJ astronomical price of VMS clusters it isn't at all surprising that this isF happening - there's plenty of market below the VMS cluster price pointK which could benefit from VMS cluster capabilities.   On the other hand, it  E sounds like they are miles behind TruCluster, let alone VMS clusters.k  3   http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/12022.htmlo  N (Warning:  some of the statements you'll read there are laughable inaccurate!)   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu0? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech o   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jul 2000 09:55:20 PDT* From: abuse@flying-disk.com (Alan Frisbie)& Subject: Re: Netscape Access Violation! Message-ID: <r6R33gc2Kg8g@flying>n  4 In article <$a5PioxG0EPs@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, L Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: writes:  J >         Alan, what VMS 7.2-1  ECO's  haven't  you installed?  We've beenJ >     running VMS/Alpha 7.2-1 (and VMS/VAX 7.2) since the beginning of theJ >     year  _and_  Netscape 3.03 without any problems.  However,  I  _did_F >     install all available 7.2-1 ECO's immediately when I upgraded...  D I haven't installed any of them yet, but plan to install the PTHREAD@ ECO today.    The VMS721_UPDATE-V0100 is just too large (45 MB!)A for me to download to my PC, then Kermit to the Alpha.   Is there A any way someone could mail me a DAT tape with it?   I will return  the tape immediately.e   --  B --  Alan E. Frisbie             Frisbie "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com@ --  Flying Disk Systems, Inc.   Abuse "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:28:40 GMT 0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com>2 Subject: Re: New Posting from Shannon Knows Compaq& Message-ID: <FxzGL4.FwI@world.std.com>  J Yep, they do sell reliability tools. That said, I was unable to access the# site whilst in Australia last week.   K Umm, they use Windoze NT and Microsloth BackPage. This could be part of ther
 problem...   cheers,d   terry sn7 "David A Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in messageI' news:396FE3BF.622BF9AA@tsoft-inc.com...a > John Nixon wrote:  > >rJ > > Is it just me (again) or is the Acersoft site unreachable.  (Dont they sell( > > some system reliability tools?  :-)) >l; > Came right up for me.  12:07 AM Eastern DST July 15, 2000a >i > Dave >i > --6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596@ > DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com8 > T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:33:06 +0200v= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>h Subject: PathWorks questiony) Message-ID: <3976F182.E8BEB40F@gtech.com>f  4 Any opinion on whether it wpuld be unwise to upgrade1 from PathWorks 6.x to "AdvancedServer for VMS" on:' a system that is already memory tigth ?a   Arne   ------------------------------  / Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:27:23 +0200 (MET DST)c& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> Subject: Problem with VMSTAR6 Message-ID: <200007200624.IAA07433@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  H we do often use VMSTAR to read a lot of data under OpenVMS and send themD to a Sun Solaris host. Normaly we mount the Sun disk via NFS and useH VMSTAR to extract the archive direct to the Sun's disk. Yesterday we gotF the first time a problem with this great product. VMSTAR was unable toG create the subdirectory in the right way (error creating directory). WeaH did not see this problem before. Does anybody know, what the problem is?E Doing the same with a FILES-11 ODS-2 disk, no problem seen. Here sometH helpfull information: OpenVMS V7.1-2 AXP with UPDATE_V300 patch, UCX 4.2I with ECO 1 and Sun Solaris 2.6. You will ask, why we don't read the tapesiI under Solaris? The tapes came from extern and under Solaris we are unablel to read them all.E   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:08:51 +0100h8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>  Subject: RE: report distributionL Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111E8B@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  E >   My company's VMS system generates TONs!!! of printed reports. TheaF >application by default prints the reports. It would be simple to just changeE >the jobs to email them to the users. BUT management has a technologyiK >infrastructure initiative.  My super says "There are several good packagesnJ >out there that give us the ability to distribute reports in many formats,= >not just e-mail and using vms email is just not part of it."n  E >What report distribution methods are you using other than mail. What.
 >packages / >are available both VMS based and no VMS based.o  I I would recommend that you place the reports on the Web and simply E-mail:F the URL to all intended recipients. They can read, print or ignore the3 report at will. You'll save TONs of paper this way!i  E This is an ideal opportunity for someone to use WWW in the way it wasnL originallyt intended to be used i.e. for easy distribution and shared access to information.    John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)u   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:33:30 +0200I= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>t  Subject: Re: report distribution) Message-ID: <3976C76A.13D90C26@gtech.com>    Terry Marosites wrote:F >    My company's VMS system generates TONs!!! of printed reports. TheN > application by default prints the reports. It would be simple to just changeF > the jobs to email them to the users. BUT management has a technologyL > infrastructure initiative.  My super says "There are several good packagesK > out there that give us the ability to distribute reports in many formats,r> > not just e-mail and using vms email is just not part of it." > F > What report distribution methods are you using other than mail. What
 > packages0 > are available both VMS based and no VMS based.  = In my opinion the only way to do such things in a good way isl' to switch from push to pull technology.k  = Create an intranet web-server,  put all reports on that, send B out a daily/weekly email with titles and links, so people can justF click on the link to view the report, if they are interested (assuming! the email program supports that).e  A That way you avoid having either tons of unread paper spread over" officestF or having GB's of unread email attachments filling up the hard-drives.   Arne   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 05:48:10 -0500 (EST) 1 From: "Robert J. Slover" <slover@Rose-Hulman.Edu>a  Subject: Re: report distributionW Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000720054653.19407B-100000@rocinante.admin.rose-hulman.edu>   6 If you're running PMDF, look into public IMAP Folders.   --Robert  ' On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, Arne Vajhxj wrote:t > ? > Create an intranet web-server,  put all reports on that, sendhD > out a daily/weekly email with titles and links, so people can justH > click on the link to view the report, if they are interested (assuming# > the email program supports that).  > C > That way you avoid having either tons of unread paper spread overt	 > offices H > or having GB's of unread email attachments filling up the hard-drives. >  > Arne >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:12:05 +0200y= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>"  Subject: Re: report distribution) Message-ID: <3976EC95.3005B9DA@gtech.com>n   "Robert J. Slover" wrote: ) > On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, Arne Vajhxj wrote:cA > > Create an intranet web-server,  put all reports on that, sendoF > > out a daily/weekly email with titles and links, so people can justJ > > click on the link to view the report, if they are interested (assuming% > > the email program supports that).@ > >pE > > That way you avoid having either tons of unread paper spread overe > > officeswJ > > or having GB's of unread email attachments filling up the hard-drives.  8 > If you're running PMDF, look into public IMAP Folders.   That may also be an option.R  9 I would guess that an Intranet solution would give better-7 possibilities for structuring and indexing, but PMDF isc a very good product !d   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:14:36 GMT. From: byatesiii@my-deja.comt  Subject: Re: report distribution) Message-ID: <8l78go$ran$1@nnrp1.deja.com>i  
 In articleB <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213026FDE8C@seantexch.unitedad.com>,2   Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com> wrote: > Hello all F >    My company's VMS system generates TONs!!! of printed reports. TheG > application by default prints the reports. It would be simple to justa changeF > the jobs to email them to the users. BUT management has a technologyC > infrastructure initiative.  My super says "There are several goodn packagesB > out there that give us the ability to distribute reports in many formats,> > not just e-mail and using vms email is just not part of it." >FF > What report distribution methods are you using other than mail. What
 > packages0 > are available both VMS based and no VMS based. >y > TIAn > Terryo > E email is a bad choice. Especially if you have TONS of reports. We set D up a Lan area that can be managed to allow users access. We'd rather$ have an ftp server, but... red tape.F We zip our files on the vax and send them to the appropriate folder on the shared area. Easy enough.c    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.0   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:28:49 GMTc, From: DRHarrold@earthlink.net (Dave Harrold)  Subject: Shadow Set Failure Mode2 Message-ID: <39770bc8.62189173@news.earthlink.net>  A We have been having a discussion with one of our software vendorsM@ aboutshadow set configuration and management.  We have an OracleD database on several shadowed disks.  We are currently running with 3F members to the shadow set.  The third member is there just for upgrade> protection.  For example, if we upgrade the application and it@ modifies the database in some way (e.g. schema), we shutdown theD database and remove the third member,then restart the database. ThatA way we have a quick back-out process if something goes bad in the  upgrade process.  C The first and second members (Let's call them DUA1 and DUA2) are on E HSJ50 controllers in dual redundant mode.  The third member (DUA3) isd6 on a single HSJ50.  And lets call the shadow set DSA1.  D The systems are 4 CPU AlphaServer GS60E systems with 12Gb of memory.4 We are running VMS 7.1-2 with the following patches:    DEC AXPVMS VMS712_SHADOWING V1.0 DEC AXPVMS VMS712_DQCONFIG V1.0i DEC AXPVMS VMS712_F11X V1.0e DEC AXPVMS VMS712_UPDATE V3.0r DEC AXPVMS VMS712_PTHREADS V3.0l DEC AXPVMS VMS712_ACRTL V1.0! DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.1-2   4 The HSJ50 controllers are running the V5.2 firmware.  B Now, here is where the disagreement is.  The vendor is maintaining; that is the HSJ50 that is serving DUA3 crashes or otherwise A disappears, the DSA1 shadow set will be unavailable to VMS.  I am-F under the impression that DUA3 will be removed from the shadow set and' the shadow set will continue operating.    So, what is the correct answer?s   Thanks,d   Dave Harrold    [ ===========================================================================================8[ Dave Harrold                                               E-Mail: David_Harrold@Aurora.orgyQ Sr. Software Systems Engineer                              Phone : (414) 647-6204eQ Aurora Health Care                                         FAX   : (414) 647-4999o 3031 W. Montana Street Milwaukee, WI 53234o  X "A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to/ underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."A   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:19:03 -0300o1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>e$ Subject: RE: Shadow Set Failure ModeK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A33373B@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>e  H you have it right, removal of a single disk from the shadow set will not4 affect the shadow set.  That's the whole point of it - Darren   > ----------> > From: 	DRHarrold@earthlink.net[SMTP:DRHarrold@earthlink.net]) > Sent: 	Thursday, July 20, 2000 11:28 AMe > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com# > Subject: 	Shadow Set Failure ModeC > C > We have been having a discussion with one of our software vendors B > aboutshadow set configuration and management.  We have an OracleF > database on several shadowed disks.  We are currently running with 3H > members to the shadow set.  The third member is there just for upgrade@ > protection.  For example, if we upgrade the application and itB > modifies the database in some way (e.g. schema), we shutdown theF > database and remove the third member,then restart the database. ThatC > way we have a quick back-out process if something goes bad in thea > upgrade process. > E > The first and second members (Let's call them DUA1 and DUA2) are onaG > HSJ50 controllers in dual redundant mode.  The third member (DUA3) isr8 > on a single HSJ50.  And lets call the shadow set DSA1. > F > The systems are 4 CPU AlphaServer GS60E systems with 12Gb of memory.6 > We are running VMS 7.1-2 with the following patches: > " > DEC AXPVMS VMS712_SHADOWING V1.0! > DEC AXPVMS VMS712_DQCONFIG V1.0r > DEC AXPVMS VMS712_F11X V1.0- > DEC AXPVMS VMS712_UPDATE V3.0:! > DEC AXPVMS VMS712_PTHREADS V3.0- > DEC AXPVMS VMS712_ACRTL V1.0# > DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.1-2a > 6 > The HSJ50 controllers are running the V5.2 firmware. > D > Now, here is where the disagreement is.  The vendor is maintaining= > that is the HSJ50 that is serving DUA3 crashes or otherwise-C > disappears, the DSA1 shadow set will be unavailable to VMS.  I ampH > under the impression that DUA3 will be removed from the shadow set and) > the shadow set will continue operating.o > ! > So, what is the correct answer?- > 	 > Thanks,c >  > Dave Harrold >  > L > ========================================================================== > =================eD > Dave Harrold                                               E-Mail: > David_Harrold@Aurora.orgJ > Sr. Software Systems Engineer                              Phone : (414)
 > 647-6204J > Aurora Health Care                                         FAX   : (414)
 > 647-4999 > 3031 W. Montana Street > Milwaukee, WI 53234i > J > "A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely > foolproof is toe1 > underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andtJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they'L are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying@ of this message is prohibited.   Bank of Bermuda.F **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:38:35 -0400c  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com$ Subject: Re: Shadow Set Failure Mode4 Message-ID: <C2256922.00550AA2.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  F If you have confidence in your analysis, just unplug the single HSJ50.  B I believe that what you describe is the point of Volume Shadowing.          1 DRHarrold@earthlink.net on 07/20/2000 10:28:49 AM    To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comn cc:s! Subject:  Shadow Set Failure Mode-        A We have been having a discussion with one of our software vendors.@ aboutshadow set configuration and management.  We have an OracleD database on several shadowed disks.  We are currently running with 3F members to the shadow set.  The third member is there just for upgrade> protection.  For example, if we upgrade the application and it@ modifies the database in some way (e.g. schema), we shutdown theD database and remove the third member,then restart the database. ThatA way we have a quick back-out process if something goes bad in thek upgrade process.  C The first and second members (Let's call them DUA1 and DUA2) are oncE HSJ50 controllers in dual redundant mode.  The third member (DUA3) isr6 on a single HSJ50.  And lets call the shadow set DSA1.  D The systems are 4 CPU AlphaServer GS60E systems with 12Gb of memory.4 We are running VMS 7.1-2 with the following patches:    DEC AXPVMS VMS712_SHADOWING V1.0 DEC AXPVMS VMS712_DQCONFIG V1.0d DEC AXPVMS VMS712_F11X V1.0c DEC AXPVMS VMS712_UPDATE V3.0n DEC AXPVMS VMS712_PTHREADS V3.0g DEC AXPVMS VMS712_ACRTL V1.0! DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.1-2i  4 The HSJ50 controllers are running the V5.2 firmware.  B Now, here is where the disagreement is.  The vendor is maintaining; that is the HSJ50 that is serving DUA3 crashes or otherwiseSA disappears, the DSA1 shadow set will be unavailable to VMS.  I am.F under the impression that DUA3 will be removed from the shadow set and' the shadow set will continue operating..   So, what is the correct answer?e   Thanks,p   Dave Harrold    [ ===========================================================================================t  B Dave Harrold                                               E-Mail: David_Harrold@Aurora.orgH Sr. Software Systems Engineer                              Phone : (414) 647-6204H Aurora Health Care                                         FAX   : (414) 647-4999 3031 W. Montana Street Milwaukee, WI 53234-  H "A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to>/ underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."p   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:34:42 GMTt/ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>i$ Subject: Re: Shadow Set Failure ModeF Message-ID: <m_Ed5.8547$o71.545587@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>   Get a new vendor!h   snip! > So, what is the correct answer?@ >f	 > Thanks,w >e > Dave Harrold >3 >E >. endsnipt   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jul 2000 12:53:43 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)$ Subject: Re: Shadow Set Failure Mode+ Message-ID: <nZMlM$E3Hp6t@eisner.decus.org>   a In article <39770bc8.62189173@news.earthlink.net>, DRHarrold@earthlink.net (Dave Harrold) writes:   C > We have been having a discussion with one of our software vendors B > aboutshadow set configuration and management.  We have an OracleF > database on several shadowed disks.  We are currently running with 3H > members to the shadow set.  The third member is there just for upgrade@ > protection.  For example, if we upgrade the application and itB > modifies the database in some way (e.g. schema), we shutdown theF > database and remove the third member,then restart the database. ThatC > way we have a quick back-out process if something goes bad in ther > upgrade process. > E > The first and second members (Let's call them DUA1 and DUA2) are on G > HSJ50 controllers in dual redundant mode.  The third member (DUA3) isD8 > on a single HSJ50.  And lets call the shadow set DSA1. > F > The systems are 4 CPU AlphaServer GS60E systems with 12Gb of memory.6 > We are running VMS 7.1-2 with the following patches: > " > DEC AXPVMS VMS712_SHADOWING V1.0! > DEC AXPVMS VMS712_DQCONFIG V1.0a > DEC AXPVMS VMS712_F11X V1.0l > DEC AXPVMS VMS712_UPDATE V3.0R! > DEC AXPVMS VMS712_PTHREADS V3.0t > DEC AXPVMS VMS712_ACRTL V1.0# > DEC AXPVMS DECNET_PHASE_IV V7.1-2s > 6 > The HSJ50 controllers are running the V5.2 firmware. > D > Now, here is where the disagreement is.  The vendor is maintaining= > that is the HSJ50 that is serving DUA3 crashes or otherwiseXC > disappears, the DSA1 shadow set will be unavailable to VMS.  I am H > under the impression that DUA3 will be removed from the shadow set and) > the shadow set will continue operating.  > ! > So, what is the correct answer?- >   ? 	The correct answer is what Darren points out... be aware theret< 	is a sysgen parameter that affects this.. specifically (for 	non-system disks):   N SHADOW_MBR_TMO                120         120         1     65535 Seconds    D  0 	From Alpha , take a look at your shadow params:   	$ mcr sysgen show shadow   @ 	Interestingly, unless someone changed the default value (second= 	column in) on me, it appears the default is indeed differentf@ 	Alpha to VAX.  The VAX default value is 20 seconds.  I have theE 	above param set to 120.  This gives a controller time to reboot and n@ 	come back without losing shadowset members.  Oh, what does that 	parameter say?:  ' 	$ mcr sysgen help param shadow_mbr_tmot  C        "SCSMAXDG has the GEN attribute. SHADOW_MBR_TMO controls theVD        amount of time the system tries to fail over physical membersE        of a shadow set before removing them from the set. The SHADOW_pG        MBR_TMO parameter replaces the temporary VMSD3 parameter used in         prior releases.  G        The SHADOW_MBR_TMO parameter is valid for use only with Phase IIeE        of Volume Shadowing for OpenVMS. You cannot set this parameter /        for use with Phase I, which is obsolete.l  F        Use the SHADOW_MBR_TMO parameter (a word) to specify the numberE        of seconds, in decimal from 1 to 65,535, during which recoverypE        of a repairable shadow set is attempted. If you do not specify F        a value or if you specify 0, the default delay of 20 seconds is        used.  H        Because SHADOW_MBR_TMO is a dynamic parameter, you should use theD        SYSGEN command WRITE CURRENT to permanently change its value.  .        SHADOW_MBR_TWO is a DYNAMIC parameter."      tC 	Don't know how that first sentence snuck in there (alpha vms 7.1).   < 	Next time a vendor tells you something like that, ask them	? 	where that is found in the documentation.  That usually throwsk= 	them for a loop that someone would actually be interested ins= 	calling them out on something (i.e. forcing to back up theirs< 	blather with facts, it happens more than we care to admit).  < 	You may wish to point them to this URL that shows how high ; 	availability works, arguably the only reason for shadowingt 	in a controller based world.i  B http://www.openvms.digital.com:8000/721final/5423/5423pro_001.html   				Robu   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:04:03 GMTn% From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@dialupnet.com>n4 Subject: Re: Silly Question, Remote Process priority8 Message-ID: <un1ens4r1je2qo6rag882sjmjfjge0d6hn@4ax.com>  E Which is all why the old saying: "Never understimate the bandwidth ofsF a truckload of tapes driving down the highway" still holds true today.1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaq0- (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:07:01 +0100P/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>e# Subject: Re: Sun may GPL StarOffice 7 Message-ID: <009ED5CB.7950A483.19@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>    > > A > > It looks like StarOffice is going to be rolled into a projectr@ > > title "OpenOffice" (openoffice.org), who will keep open file- > > formats, object interface APIs, etc. etc.c > G > Yup, they announced that at the end of the keynote speech at the OpeniJ > Source conference today. Apparently the source is going ot be cleaned upF > and version 6.0 will be GPL'd and out. Target date is Friday OctoberL > 13th. Everything except a few pieces they don't have permission to releaseB > the source to. (Basically the spelling checker and some filters) >   B Gulp. Superstition may be archaic and irrational, but I still findC myself hoping that they'll change that release date to Monday 16th!o   That aside: three cheers!l   	Yours, 
 		Nigel Arnot - 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                   o  7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:12:19 -0400f) From: "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com>i# Subject: RE: Sun may GPL StarOffice B Message-ID: <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A61A3@and02.drc.com>   > -----Original Message-----+ > From: Dan Sugalski [mailto:dan@sidhe.org]aG > Yup, they announced that at the end of the keynote speech at the Open @ > Source conference today. Apparently the source is going ot be  > cleaned upF > and version 6.0 will be GPL'd and out. Target date is Friday October7 > 13th. Everything except a few pieces they don't have - > permission to release B > the source to. (Basically the spelling checker and some filters)  A Any truth to the rumor that the release's internal name is Jason?c     Eric Ebinger   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:37:11 +0000a$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk# Subject: Re: Sun may GPL StarOfficen/ Message-ID: <00256922.004AEB10.00@quegw01.btyp>t  = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazah   Friday the 13th...?i  ) I hope that isn't significant in any way!h   ;^D    Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pagese        6 Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> on 20/07/2000 12:45:44 AM    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)j@ From:      Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>, 20 July 2000, 0:45 a.m.   Re: Sun may GPL StarOffice        - On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 jordan@my-deja.com wrote:   - > In article <EDt$LDMt6ER+@eisner.decus.org>,c> >   Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:H > > In article <8ktr45$s0f$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, jordan@my-deja.com writes: > > > According to this: > > >oD > > >    http://www.zdnet.com/sp/stories/news/0,4538,2604174,00.html > > >eB > > > Sun is expected to release StarOffice under the GPL, the GNU > > > Open Source license. > > >-C > > > Some months back, I expressed my concern that an OpenVMS portt? > > > of StarOffice would be subject to Sun's acceptance of theg@ > > > changes necessary to support the port.  If StarOffice were; > > > GPL'd, Sun would not be able to deny the creation and ? > > > redistribution of changes necessary to port StarOffice to  > > > OpenVMS. > > > B > > > If we see this happen, then kudos to Sun and shame on me for > > > my paranoia. > > >rG > > > Are there still people out there interested in porting StarOffice  > > > to OpenVMS?s > >sI > > I believe there will be many more than before if this GPL arrangementr > > comes to pass. > >e >h& > It appears that it's been announced: > 4 > http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/000719/ca_sun_mic.html > ? > It looks like StarOffice is going to be rolled into a project > > title "OpenOffice" (openoffice.org), who will keep open file+ > formats, object interface APIs, etc. etc.w  E Yup, they announced that at the end of the keynote speech at the OpenfH Source conference today. Apparently the source is going ot be cleaned upD and version 6.0 will be GPL'd and out. Target date is Friday OctoberJ 13th. Everything except a few pieces they don't have permission to release@ the source to. (Basically the spelling checker and some filters)  J Nicely enough, the source to the Word filters *will* be opensourced, which is a Good Thing.                            Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:04:05 +0100p* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>, Subject: Re: Telnet to VMS appears to freeze, Message-ID: <8l6fa6$15h0@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  5 "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> wrote in message 7 news:XQnd5.1964$2M5.56262@news-west.usenetserver.com...=J > I have encountered what appears to be a Telnet related problem (VMS 7.2, > TCPIP V5)e  C V5.0 of TCPIP was major surgery. Large chunks of the Tru64 IP stackrI were transplanted into the product. Whilst it's probably good news in the < medium to long term, a few things got broken in the process.  H V5.0A should be your first stop (with the 7.2-1 kit). From a quick checkH of the release notes, it looks like this might cure your problem without any additional fixes.p   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jul 2000 12:35:20 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), Subject: Re: Telnet to VMS appears to freeze6 Message-ID: <8l6rm8$osi$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  j In article <XQnd5.1964$2M5.56262@news-west.usenetserver.com>, "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> writes:I :I have encountered what appears to be a Telnet related problem (VMS 7.2,hH :TCPIP V5) on a cluster (3000-600, 2100, 500au).  The problem appears toI :be difficult to reproduce, so I'm hoping someone else has come across it0
 :before.    H   There exists at least one known and somewhat nasty telnet-related bug J   in V5.0.  If the reported problem is the bug that I am referencing, the    bug was fixed in V5.0A.a  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:40:32 -0400n% From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>a Subject: Re: UCX problem" Message-ID: <39771d39@news.si.com>  ; >So, I obviously need to reload the permanent database intoc. >volatile memory. What ucx command does this ?   UCX SET UCX_SERVER/SIGNALh -- sA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com5A Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:46:59 -0700V4 From: mapryan <mike.ryanNOmiSPAM@redmar.com.invalid>$ Subject: Re: Unable to see UCX proxy9 Message-ID: <12f0c80a.263d9be8@usw-ex0105-036.remarq.com>S   Oswald,S   That did the trick !   Cheers   Mike    ; -----------------------------------------------------------g  7 Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.  Up to 100 minutes free!h http://www.keen.comi   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:54:55 -0700 (PDT)r3 From: Tammie Robertson <tammie_robertson@yahoo.com>a Subject: VAX Error Logs ? Message-ID: <20000720115455.11601.qmail@web4103.mail.yahoo.com>   4 How do I find and read the error logs or a daily log	 on a VAX?=   Thanks!=   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= Tammie Robertson Tuscarawas Countye  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?< Get Yahoo! Mail =96 Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:52:13 +0200 - From: "Sandrine Treheux" <satr@memo.ikea.com>0 Subject: Re: VAX Error Logsu, Message-ID: <8l6sqo$1rj$1@mailgate.ikea.com>   Hej,  K     Could you give more details such as VMS version, platform, what kind ofh
 log files....c   Br/Sandrine       ( Tammie Robertson a crit dans le message6 <20000720115455.11601.qmail@web4103.mail.yahoo.com>...4 How do I find and read the error logs or a daily log	 on a VAX?    Thanks!e   =====  Tammie Robertson Tuscarawas Countyh  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?: Get Yahoo! Mail  Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 05:03:27 -0400r/ From: "IanPercival" <IanPercival@email.msn.com>i, Subject: Re: VCC_MAXSIZE and 100 files total) Message-ID: <ezQhDli8$GA.293@cpmsnbbsa09>*  G > out-of-digital-place.  Was it that arbitrary?  What is the difference-	 between a H > "closed" file and any other contributing to the "total"?  Just curious now.  J A closed file is just that - one that no longer has any accessors. So, for example,K if you login, you will run through your login.com. Once logged in, the file  is no longerK being accessed, it is closed.  Login again straight away, and with any luckl the cache willK still have it.  Except that with VCC/VIOC the limit is 100 closed files pert system.  It-G doesn't take a very large system at all to swamp that! Thus generally ar closed fileoJ will NOT be in the VCC cache, as it simply discards cache data once it has
 determined it 0 already has data for 100 closed files in memory.  K As said by someone else, the replacement cache makes no distinction betweene
 closed and2 open files, thus that limitation has been removed.   Iana    : Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> wrote in message) news:3976297B.567AEEF3@wasd.vsm.com.au... H > 100 is a nice round figure if you have ten fingers, otherwise it seemsG > out-of-digital-place.  Was it that arbitrary?  What is the differencee	 between a H > "closed" file and any other contributing to the "total"?  Just curious now. >. > Richard Brodie wrote:w >t@ > > "Mark Daniel" <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> wrote in message- > > news:39748F03.E48F3B45@wasd.vsm.com.au...  > >wI > > > I notice that the systems seem to stop caching files when the countGH > > > reaches 100 ($ SHOW MEMORY/CACHE/FULL) regardless of the amount ofE > > > free cache memory available.  Is this a fixed limit or is thereDL > > > something else I can adjust to increase the total number cached files? > >oC > > It's fixed. Note the limit is on closed files, not total files.t According to the3 > > roadmap, this will change in XFC 1.0 (VMS 7.3).h >S   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:49:44 GMTa1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> , Subject: Re: VCC_MAXSIZE and 100 files total2 Message-ID: <39772D89.F3FF73CE@clarityconnect.com>  E You are correct that the 100 is for the closed files and there may be=F many more that are open.  There is no 'easy' way to see what files areC currently opened and cached.  All of these extras that VIOC did noteG provide but were very desirable to our customers was one of the reasonsH for XFC.   Mark Daniel wrote: > Q > I must be a thick as brick!  So from this and what Larry has said the 100 files-V > displays the number of "closed" files retained (i.e. those in which no process has aN > particular interest), but there may be many more that are opened for read byR > processes concurrently being cached.  If so is there any easy way to asses this?' > Don't tell me ... it's in XFC 1.0 ;^)  > N > BTW.  I have had queries from a number of users enquiring about the improved > performance!   --  D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:37:07 -0400c) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.nete8 Subject: Re: VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Character9 Message-ID: <3976d6db$1$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>o  6 In <s9759235.032@hmcpsugwia.hmc.psu.edu>, on 07/20/00 4    at 06:37 AM, Scott Brooks <SBROOKS@psu.edu> said:  I >Is there a way in a VMS Com file to write a Form Feed to character to an. >output file?  r   >Extra Detail:I >I found I can use CTRL + L in Edit/TPU to add the form feed character to I >a file.  But I can't find how to do the equivalent via DCL commands in aa@ >com file.  I tried the following code but it also did not work:H >PAGE_EJECT = %X0C      ! ASCII Page Eject character (Hex 0C) OPEN/WRITE >OUT01_FILE SCOTTJUNK.TXTs >WRITE OUT01_FILE 'PAGE_EJECTl >CLOSE OUT01_FILE)G >This gave a 12 instead of a form feed command when looking at the fileD8 >with Edit/TPU.  Lastly, I looked at escape sequences inI >SYS$SYSTEM:SMGTERMS..TXT, but that didn't shed any light. We are runningf >Open VMS on a Dec Alpha.V  9 Stupid question, but why didn't you define your symbol as_   page_eject = "ctrl+l"V  C Using the features of TPU or LSE or EDT to enter the actual specialVG control character value between the quotes?  This will get you a string1 symbol not a numeric symbol.   Roland       --  ; ----------------------------------------------------------- D yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.528                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------e   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jul 2000 13:16:36 GMT8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)8 Subject: Re: VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Character6 Message-ID: <8l6u3k$p59$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  : In article <3976d6db$1$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>, + yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net writes:d ..; >                 ... why didn't you define your symbol as m >s >page_eject = "ctrl+l" >rD >Using the features of TPU or LSE or EDT to enter the actual specialH >control character value between the quotes?  This will get you a string >symbol not a numeric symbol..  2 There are a couple of good reasons NOT to do this.  G (1) Printing or Typing the resulting DCL file will cause the form-feed .C to be interpeted as a control character by the printer or terminal.a' This maybe (probably is) not desirable.G  I (2) Future editing of the DCL file may be more difficult -- manipulationgtC actual control characters in an editor works, but it can be tricky.o  E (3) Reading code that contains actual control characters is generallyh more difficult.    -- eK     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USAvF          (hammond@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:10:24 -0700u+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> 8 Subject: Re: VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Character( Message-ID: <39772470.E3175C17@mmaz.com>  * yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote:   >  >a; > Stupid question, but why didn't you define your symbol as_ >  > page_eject = "ctrl+l"o >hE > Using the features of TPU or LSE or EDT to enter the actual special I > control character value between the quotes?  This will get you a stringt > symbol not a numeric symbol. >   E Because if you ever need to type on your screen or print your commandeK procedures, you get form-feeds during the process where as form_feed[0,8] =rI 12 creates the same value and as long you use good variable names or knowiM ASCII values, you are fine.  Other examples include bell[0,8] = 7 or esc[0,8]i = 27 and so on...    barryo   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:08:41 +0100/* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>D Subject: Re: VMS Com file to write a Form Feed Character --- THANKS!, Message-ID: <8l6fir$19s8@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  ] "Scott Brooks" <SBROOKS@psu.edu> wrote in message news:s975c921.016@hmcpsugwia.hmc.psu.edu...   c >I tried each of the following.  But they all seemed to give me a 12 in Edit/TPU.  So >I'm not surew why they didn't work for me. >o >form_feed[0,7] = 12  D They don't work if form_feed starts off as an integer symbol: it has to be undefined or a string.   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jul 2000 13:28:16 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)) Subject: Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?D6 Message-ID: <8l6upg$pbd$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  \ In article <8l5esb$j0j$1@news1.Radix.Net>, Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> writes:4 :Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote: :c_ :> In article <8l4ffk$fd5$2@news1.Radix.Net>, Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> writes: I :> :is there a reliable way to tell how many times a file's been entered?  :nM :>   Match up the duplicated FIDs, during ANALYZE/DISK/LIST or DIRECTORY/FILErL :>   or some other tool making direct or indirect access to the index file. L :>   I'm not aware of a count maintained anywhere, and there may or may not > :>   still be a "primary" alias entry left around on the disk. :hG :which was my point - with Unix, one can simply do 'stat()' on the file G :to find the number of links.  analyzing the disk is comparable to what # :lsof does (potentially very slow).r  C   Um, you said you wanted a "reliable way to tell how many times a aD   file's been entered", and that is available.  You did not specify /   any particular performance requirements.  :-)   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:12:12 -0400e- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> ) Subject: Re: VMS equivalent of UNIX 'ln'?P. Message-ID: <sne5n7sa6tt58@corp.supernews.com>  @ Thomas Dickey wrote in message <8l4kim$lhc$1@news1.Radix.Net>...  ? >If there's no clue that an entry is a link, it's probably morem trouble)+ >to use than you would want to put up with.   B You can tell if an entry is a link since the file name in the fileA header will point to the original file, not the link. There is nosD native DCL command that can easily show you what links there are butB DFU (one of the three products that everyone should install on any? machine the first time they touch it, the others are Kermit andoE Diagnose (NOT COMPAQ ANALYZE, NEVER COMPAQ ANALYZE, DO NOT PUT COMPAQt> ANALYZE ON ANY SYSTEM)) can rather quickly find links for you.   Try the following;   $ assign x dfu$nosmg $ create original_file.txt This is original_file.txto= $ set file/ent=1copy.txt original_file.txt ! Create one alias,B $ set file/ent=2copy.txt 1copy.txt ! point second alias at the 1st aliasnA $ set file/ent=3copy.txt 2copy.txt ! point third alias at the 2nd> alias 6 $ pipe dump/head %copy.txt | sear sys$pipe "file name"1 $! See all the headers point to ORIGINAL_FILE.TXToE $ dfu dir /alias SYS$DISK:  ! This will show you all alias entries ont the diskC $ rename original_file.txt new_original_file  ! Even after a renamee
 this works6 $ pipe dump/head %copy.txt | sear sys$pipe "file name"   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jul 2000 08:33:45 GMT& From: Ellis E Hardin <eeh01@gnofn.org> Subject: Re: VMS fortunes?+ Message-ID: <8l6dh9$f5b$1@junkie.gnofn.org>   C 	Oops.  Somebody named Ed sent me an email requesting my Ada source I code for the fortune cookie program.  I replied to him saying I'd send itoJ after I got home and uploaded the code.  Then I promptly took my brain outI of gear and deleted the message, "since I already replied to it," and now 2 I don't have an email address to send the code to.@ 	Ed, could you email me again, so I know where to send the code?   -- r# -- Ellis Hardin,  <eeh01@gnofn.org>r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:09:31 -0400 % From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>_G Subject: Re: vms$common - syscommon problems after retoring system disk $ Message-ID: <397715f4$1@news.si.com>  E >Can someone tell me why this didn't work as expected when the system./ >was restored using the OpenVMS V7.2-1 CD ROM ?t  C Could it have something to do with the /ALIAS qualifier?  I.e., was E SYSCOMMON not made an alias of  VMS$COMMON?  Just a stab in the dark.. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comeA Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.comp= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevento< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Jul 2000 08:51 CSTa' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)R% Subject: Re: Web browser and VMS mails- Message-ID: <20JUL200008510416@gerg.tamu.edu>c  F >Thanks for (finally) feeding this information back to me, and for the# >benefit to other users of yahMAIL.   L I just got it all working about 5 days ago. All the basics of it was workingH about a week earlier than that,  but I then installed MX to get the MIMEG kludge (as I am using Multinet, where it aparently doesn't work withouti adding MX).m  9 >Speaking of which, with all these problems I'm surprised0E >anyone can get it to work ;^)  I am particularly concerned about thefI >"breaking" *printf()s ... more amazed it produces any output at all, let E >alone across WASD, OSU and Purveyor (that I know about).  I have had0D >some problems reported by users, some of these were coding and wereD >corrected, others were wish-list or just to let me know that it was? >considered a valuable addition to their sites.  Thanks people,nE >the freeware developer generally needs (at least) some stroking from: >time-to-time.  C Well, hey - it works! This is a good thing. As far as I know, it is)E the only freeware way to do this (I think that the All-In-1 pacakage,fF whatever it's called these days, may be able to do this - but it costs a bunch of money).  H If I was using more recent versions of C and VMS, I expect it would have& worked without the extensive fiddling.  @ >The %s ACCVIO is a complete mystery.  My understanding is (fromE >looking at the behaviour) that the DECC developers had the foresightfB >(with such a common error) to merely output the comment "(null)".  @ They presumably added this feature in a newer version of the RTL than I am using.   $ type tmp.c #include <stdio.h>  
 int main() {o     char *z;  
     z = NULL;s       printf("z=  %s\n",z);n }  $ cc tmp	 $ lin tmpn	 $ run tmpiP %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=00000000, PC =80443A64, PS=0000001B/ %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows5N  Image Name   Module Name     Routine Name    Line Number  rel PC      abs PC N                                                         0 80443A64    80443A64N                                                         0 805E3BB4    805E3BB4N                                                         0 805E470C    805E470CN                                                         0 805E61F0    805E61F0N  TMP          TMP             main                    681 000000C4    000200C4N  TMP          TMP             __main                    0 00000064    00020064N                                                         0 83CCFA50    83CCFA50   --- Carl   ------------------------------  / Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:58:04 +0200 (MET DST)-& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>  Subject: WordPerfect for OpenVMS6 Message-ID: <200007200655.IAA07511@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  E we are interisted for the WordPerfect for OpenVMS software pakage. IsnD it the newest version of WordPerfect? Is it full compatible with theF Wintel version? Can we get (buy) it here in Germany? Is there any demo for OpenVMS out?   TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:20:50 +0200a= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> $ Subject: Re: WordPerfect for OpenVMS) Message-ID: <3976E092.331D23E8@gtech.com>:   Rudolf Wingert wrote:-G > we are interisted for the WordPerfect for OpenVMS software pakage. IseF > it the newest version of WordPerfect? Is it full compatible with theH > Wintel version? Can we get (buy) it here in Germany? Is there any demo > for OpenVMS out?  # The best ressource I can dig up is:   5 http://www.legacytech.net/products/index.html#openvmse   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:36:34 GMT_% From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>e$ Subject: Re: WordPerfect for OpenVMS) Message-ID: <8l6o82$eja$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   6 In article <200007200655.IAA07511@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>,)   Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote:e > Hello, >mG > we are interisted for the WordPerfect for OpenVMS software pakage. IsDF > it the newest version of WordPerfect? Is it full compatible with theH > Wintel version? Can we get (buy) it here in Germany? Is there any demo > for OpenVMS out?  C http://www.legacytech.net (Nope, I don't like the name either). I'mlE fairly sure you can still buy it direct from Corel as well. Yes, theytC will send out demo versions. It's supposed to be able to read files A from later versions of WordPerfect. Both character cell and Motifc@ based versions are avalable (WordPerfect 5.3 and WordPerfect 7).   --
 Alan Greig    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:31:46 GMTV0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com> Subject: Re: WORK AT HOMEd& Message-ID: <FxzGqw.HE9@world.std.com>  H I can assure you I will not miss out on this AWESOME OPPORTUNITY. I *do* work at home, mister SPAMSTER!  F PS-- You can buy my newsletter for a mere $395 a year. An awesome deal indeed!s  J <fredgb@home.com> wrote in message news:0FXX00CUQFA9TZ@mx.east.saic.com... >a& > DON'T MISS THIS AWESOME OPPORTUNITY. > 1 > mailto:fredgb@home.COM?subject=SEND_INFORMATION  >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:12:12 -0700t/ From: Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com>o Subject: RE: WORK AT HOMEoM Message-ID: <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213026FDE8F@seantexch.unitedad.com>   
 Mr. Spamster.F  K    Why would I want to work from home? It my privilege to work away from mycK lovely wife as she looks over my shoulder and ask me questions like , don'trL you think you should take the trash out or can you open this Jar... AlthoughE I miss her and the 3 kids , 5 cats , 2 dogs ,and a hamster (named VaxaI because we kept it warm by keeping in in a box on my vax 3100 workstationi- monitor). Why would I want to work from Home?o   Terry      -----Original Message-----5 From: Terry C. Shannon [mailto:shannon@world.std.com],' Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 11:32 PM. To: Info-VAX@MVB.SAIC.COMe Subject: Re: WORK AT HOMEM    H I can assure you I will not miss out on this AWESOME OPPORTUNITY. I *do* work at home, mister SPAMSTER!  F PS-- You can buy my newsletter for a mere $395 a year. An awesome deal indeed!e  J <fredgb@home.com> wrote in message news:0FXX00CUQFA9TZ@mx.east.saic.com... > & > DON'T MISS THIS AWESOME OPPORTUNITY. >e1 > mailto:fredgb@home.COM?subject=SEND_INFORMATIONo >F        5 *****************************************************     5 *****************************************************s4 Any views or opinions are solely those of the author) and do not necessarily represent those ofs United Advertising Media.o5 *****************************************************y4 The information transmitted is intended only for the1 person or entity to which it is addressed and may 3 contain confidential and/or privileged material. Ifu3 you are not the intended recipient of this message,l. please do not read, copy, use or disclose this3 communication and notify the sender immediately. Itt0 should be noted that any review, retransmission,2 dissemination or other use of, or taking action in- reliance upon, this information by persons or - entities other than the intended recipient is. prohibited._5 *****************************************************r **   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Jul 2000 08:37:29 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) : Subject: Re: [Fwd: FW: Wish List:  I/O vs. CPU Priorities]+ Message-ID: <7klufSxxJEcv@eisner.decus.org>r  Z In article <397652D8.2787E30F@gce.com>, Glenn and Mary Everhart <Everhart@gce.com> writes:  ? > I would add too that VMS would need to be careful of boundary ? > conditions. There is code that depends on maintaining IRPs in C > the order issued, so you don't want to dynamically reorder thingsX> > because a priority boost from say a terminal I/O has boostedE > dynamic priority. Rather you want to keep IRPs in order for a given)? > process (well, ktb) but have them queued between processes byt2 > priority. The insert gets a little more complex. > @ > The NASTY part of this is that if you start playing this game,C > you're no longer just pointing INSQUE or REMQUE at a queue headerbA > and handling things idempotently with hardware assist. You wind A > up with a software algorithm instead that has to be interlockeda> > by hand. Granted, it can use a spinlock of its very own, but# > it WILL cost performance overall.m > D > This kind of feature sounds interesting, and in some circumstancesH > might be useful enough to turn on. I personally don't care if it neverF > shows up, but perhaps others feel differently. I suppose that if oneE > were to intercept insioqc and put in something like this that would-G > be all one needs. Hmm...an in memory patch to part of VMS which would-D > have to be located by global. Right. Kind of thing one wants to do > in macro-64.  = I don't understand the tentative nature of these discussions.r  D As I read EXE_STD$INSERT_IRP from module SYSQIOREQ it orders entriesG according to IRP$B_PRI.  Is this somehow disabled on contemporary VMS ?a   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.403 ************************>page_eject = "ctrl+l" >rD >Using the features of TPU or LSE or EDT to enter the actual specialH >control character value between the quotes?  This will get you a string >symbol not a numeric symbol..  2 There are a couple of good reasons NOT to do this.  G (1) Printing or Typing the resulting DCL file will cause the form-feed .C to be interpeted as a contro                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                