1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 24 Jul 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 411       Contents: ALLIN1, Message Router problem AW: PGPi and OpenVMS Re: AW: PGPi and OpenVMS Re: AW: PGPi and OpenVMS RE: AW: PGPi and OpenVMS Bootproblem C0080 0000.5000  Re: DECdtm Alpha 7.1 Dicky API?  Re: DECdtm Alpha 7.1 Dicky API? . Re: Extensible Versatile Editor setup question. Re: Extensible Versatile Editor setup question RE: Help default boot & time0 Re: How to make HP printer talk to VMS/Multinet? Re: KA660 CPU Technical Manual( Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com( Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com( Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com( Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com( Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com OpenVMS 7.2 on DEC Multia/UDB ! Re: OpenVMS 7.2 on DEC Multia/UDB ! Re: OpenVMS 7.2 on DEC Multia/UDB " Re: OpenVMS Registry Configuration PGPi and OpenVMS Re: PGPi and OpenVMS Re: PGPi and OpenVMS Re: PGPi and OpenVMS Re: PGPi and OpenVMS Re: PGPi and OpenVMS Re: PGPi and OpenVMS Re: Plain Kermit?  Re: Plain Kermit?  Q: Looking for an old game.  Re: Q: Looking for an old game. $ Re: Removing <LF><CR> from text file+ Re[2]: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com ) Re: run java out of jar files, vs jar -xf ) Re: run java out of jar files, vs jar -xf ) Re: run java out of jar files, vs jar -xf  SYSINIT Error resolved tape problem (?) two questions. Re: two questions. RE: two questions. Re: two questions.	 UCX limit 
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 Re: UCX limit " Re: Undocumented commands in UCX ? Re: Using CMS and NFS  Re: Vax DNS help needed  Re: VAXAStation 3100 Re: VAXAStation 3100 Re: VMS Pascal question  Re: VT510 troubleshooting: ;-)< Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S< Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S< Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S< Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S< Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S< Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S< Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S< Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 06:58:30 GMT  From: awrycroft001@my-deja.com' Subject: ALLIN1, Message Router problem ) Message-ID: <8lgpem$47j$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Hi,    I have a system running    OS is OpenVMS 6.1  ALLIN1 is version 3.2 . VAX Message Router VMSmail Gateway version 3.3 Using DECnet  H ----------------------------------------Log starts here----------------- -------------------------  Fetcher perfomance  # 21-JUL-2000 02:42:36     'fetcher3' E   %EMD-E-FETCHERR, Error fetching message - 0001C00A returned from MR * 21-JUL-2000 02:57:30     'Default Fetcher'+   %EMD-I-SERVERSTARTED, FETCHER has started # 21-JUL-2000 02:57:32     'Fetcher2' +   %EMD-I-SERVERSTARTED, FETCHER has started * 21-JUL-2000 02:57:35     'Default Fetcher'E   %EMD-E-FETCHERR, Error fetching message - 0001C00A returned from MR # 21-JUL-2000 02:57:39     'Fetcher2' E   %EMD-E-FETCHERR, Error fetching message - 0001C00A returned from MR # 21-JUL-2000 02:57:41     'fetcher3' +   %EMD-I-SERVERSTARTED, FETCHER has started # 21-JUL-2000 02:57:45     'fetcher3' E   %EMD-E-FETCHERR, Error fetching message - 0001C00A returned from MR   H ---------------------------------------Sender performance---------------A -----------------------------------------------------------------   ) 21-JUL-2000 14:52:32     'Default Sender' $   %RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed) 21-JUL-2000 14:52:35     'Default Sender' $   %RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed) 21-JUL-2000 14:52:37     'Default Sender' $   %RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed) 21-JUL-2000 14:52:40     'Default Sender' $   %RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed) 21-JUL-2000 14:52:42     'Default Sender' $   %RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed) 21-JUL-2000 14:52:45     'Default Sender' $   %RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed) 21-JUL-2000 14:52:48     'Default Sender' $   %RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed) 21-JUL-2000 14:52:50     'Default Sender' $   %RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed) 21-JUL-2000 14:52:53     'Default Sender' $   %RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed) 21-JUL-2000 14:52:53     'Default Sender' 6   %EMD-I-SEND_COUNT_EXCE, SENDER re-try count exceeded -----   2 Any suggestions as to what could be causing this ?  0 We have run all the necessary house keeping jobs: We have purged the hard disks to create space to no avail.   Thanks Andrew Rycroft    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:12:50 +0200 < From: "Uhlhorn, Anneliese" <Anneliese.Uhlhorn@SLV.bayern.de> Subject: AW: PGPi and OpenVMS = Message-ID: <4913AE76C4E1D2118F9900105A0EF7004E1A21@komserv3>   
 Hi Andrew,  F We are also very interested, using PGP software for VMS. I know that = there G exists an encryption software for VMS on DES and triple DES standards =  but I E don't know that ist compatible to PGP on PC's. If you get an answer =  please forward this to me.    Thank you in advance Anneliese=20  # -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- ? Von: awrycroft001@my-deja.com [mailto:awrycroft001@my-deja.com] ( Gesendet am: Montag, 24. Juli 2000 10:44 An: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Betreff: PGPi and OpenVMS    Hi,   D Has anyone had any experience running the PGPi software on OpenVMS ? http://www.pgpi.org.   Thanks Andrew Rycroft    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:37:47 -0400  From: quayle@pobox.com! Subject: Re: AW: PGPi and OpenVMS - Message-ID: <397C005B.795.19D7C1BF@localhost>   L > We are also very interested, using PGP software for VMS. I know that thereM > exists an encryption software for VMS on DES and triple DES standards but I 0 > don't know that ist compatible to PGP on PC's.  3 PGP 2.x does not use DES.  It uses the IDEA cipher.   B Starting with PGP 5.x, a new encryption method, Diffe-Hillman, is = used.  It's incompatible with PGP 2.x, unless you license an  $ additional module to make 2.x files.  F Source code for PGP 5.x and later is not available, so you can't just  compile it on VMS.  F There's an effort working on creating a PGP replacement program under : the GNU license.  There's also an RFC for "OpenPGP".  See:   	http://www.gnupg.org/     --Stan  
 ----------G Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jul 2000 09:58:04 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) ! Subject: Re: AW: PGPi and OpenVMS + Message-ID: <IBanq7PNcKZV@eisner.decus.org>   F In article <397C005B.795.19D7C1BF@localhost>, quayle@pobox.com writes:M >> We are also very interested, using PGP software for VMS. I know that there N >> exists an encryption software for VMS on DES and triple DES standards but I1 >> don't know that ist compatible to PGP on PC's.  > 5 > PGP 2.x does not use DES.  It uses the IDEA cipher.  > D > Starting with PGP 5.x, a new encryption method, Diffe-Hillman, is ? > used.  It's incompatible with PGP 2.x, unless you license an  & > additional module to make 2.x files.  J For the platforms they support (Macintosh and Windows), Network AssociatesG has re-bundled the RSA support (which is what Diffie-Hellman replaced), > presumably due to a new licensing agreement with RSA Security.  A I have not had an explanation of the way they use Diffie-Hellman, A and thus my gut reaction is to feel that it is _much_ less secure @ than the RSA approach (mainly because every approach I can think2 of without a real-time connection is less secure).   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:43:15 -0400  From: quayle@pobox.com! Subject: RE: AW: PGPi and OpenVMS - Message-ID: <397C0FB3.661.1A13B3DB@localhost>   @ > ... the www.pgpi.com website then? Source to later versions is > available also  C I stand corrected.  However, Network Associates still wants $$$ to  < issue a license for commercial purposes (from the PGPi FAQ):  1      2.2. Can I use PGPi for commercial purposes?   E       Yes, you can, but you must obtain a commercial use license from A       Network Associates Inc. or its authorized representatives.      F Hmmm.  Since my client bought ViaCrypt (now part of N.A.), could they A "upgrade" to PGPi 6.5?  Something to run past the legal people...      --Stan  
 ----------G Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:02:35 +0200 4 From: Juergen Kortgen <kortgen@informatik.uni-kl.de>$ Subject: Bootproblem C0080 0000.50004 Message-ID: <397C062B.473C95E1@informatik.uni-kl.de>   Hello,  C after a power outage, my Microvax 3100/20 with VMS5.5-2 won't boot. C After looking for infos, "C" means an serial line controller error. C Console booting is not possible and i am not able to press "sh dev"  fully , (cannot press "D" :-). Any "TEST" command ?   @ Does anyone have informations about this message C0080 0000.5000& and how to repair/react to this error?  
 Best regards, 
 J. Kortgen   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:25:35 -0700 5 From: Richard  <maher_rjNOmaSPAM@hotmail.com.invalid> ( Subject: Re: DECdtm Alpha 7.1 Dicky API?9 Message-ID: <0a13fece.838eff6b@usw-ex0110-076.remarq.com>   ; Great, now a *User* Mode call to $abort_transw can crash an 8 Alpha box! What sort of regression testing was done with DECdtm on Alpha?  ! Has nobody here had any problems?   9 I'll post the real program soon, but in the mean time can 4 someone just show me how to provide a reason code to; $abort_transw on an alpha. The following returns ss$_accvio 7 when I run it. (This one *doesn't* crash the system :-)    identification division. program-id.    test_it.  data division. working-storage section.5 01  ddtm$m_nowait           pic 9(9)    comp    value  external ddtm$m_nowait. 5 01  ddtm$_aborted           pic 9(9)    comp    value  external ddtm$_aborted. 5 01  ss$_endoffile           pic 9(9)    comp    value  external ss$_endoffile. 5 01  ss$_normal              pic 9(9)    comp    value  external ss$_normal.5 01  ss$_abort               pic 9(9)    comp    value  external ss$_abort. - 01  sys_status              pic 9(9)    comp. 
 01  dtm_iosb. -     03  dtm_iosb_status     pic 9(4)    comp. #     03                      pic xx. -     03  reason_code         pic 9(9)    comp. & 01  ls_tid                  pic x(16).& 01  ls_bid                  pic x(16). *  procedure division.  00.      call "sys$start_transw" $         using   by value        0, 0(                 by reference    dtm_iosb$                 by value        0, 0&                 by reference    ls_tid% *                by value        0, 0          giving  sys_status. 6     if sys_status = ss$_normal move dtm_iosb_status to sys_status. ;     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by  value sys_status. .     if ls_tid = spaces display "It's spaces!".       call "sys$abort_transw" 0         using   by value        0, ddtm$m_nowait(                 by reference    dtm_iosb$                 by value        0, 0&                 by reference    ls_tid-                 by value        ddtm$_aborted ' *                by reference    ls_bid          giving  sys_status. 6     if sys_status = ss$_normal move dtm_iosb_status to sys_status. ;     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by  value sys_status.    *  fini. 
     stop run.  *  end program test_it.     Regards Richard Maher.     Sorry I forgot:-  *         .title External Symbol Definitions  &         $cmbdef                 GLOBAL&         $agndef                 GLOBAL&         $ddtmdef                GLOBAL&         $ddtmmsgdef             GLOBAL           $iodef;         io__writenow            == <io$_writevblk!io$m_now> 1         io__readcheck           == <io$_readvblk!  io$m_writercheck> 2         io__writecheck          == <io$_writevblk! io$m_readercheck!io$m_now>1 ;        io__writeofcheck        == <io$_writeof!  io$m_readercheck!io$m_now>0         io__writeofcheck        == <io$_writeof! io$m_readercheck>            .end L        * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful    ------------------------------   Date: 24 Jul 2000 16:00:36 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)( Subject: Re: DECdtm Alpha 7.1 Dicky API?6 Message-ID: <8lhp74$2k3$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  q In article <0a13fece.838eff6b@usw-ex0110-076.remarq.com>, Richard  <maher_rjNOmaSPAM@hotmail.com.invalid> writes: < :Great, now a *User* Mode call to $abort_transw can crash an :Alpha box!   4   Okfine.  That would appear to be a bug, obviously.  ? :What sort of regression testing was done with DECdtm on Alpha?   E   The same regression testing that is normally done for each release.   " :Has nobody here had any problems?     Donno.  $ :I'll post the real program soon,...  F   Please do not post security holes and non-privileged system crashers   here -- thanks!   G   If you want somebody to look at this reported problem and get back to L   you with a diagnosis and a fix (if necessary), I would strongly encourage J   a direct call to the customer support center.  If you don't have access I   to the customer support center (for contractual reasons or otherwise),  I   then please pass the example of the crasher along to me and I will let  F   folks know that there is a potentially serious problem in this area.  G :but in the mean time can someone just show me how to provide a reason  D :code to $abort_transw on an alpha. The following returns ss$_accvio8 :when I run it. (This one *doesn't* crash the system :-)  G   I'm not so sure that your IOSB declaration is the most commonly used, K   see below for details.  I would also encourage an upgrade to the current  I   COBOL RTL and COBOL compiler versions, and to OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2, if  K   you have not already done so.  And the ALPDDTM02_071 ECO kit does fix at  G   least one system crash that was found in DECdtm services, as well as  K   various other problems -- it also fixes an ACCVIO that was returned from  K   the sys$start_transw service when working with the debugger, if that was  =   where you were receiving the access violation error from...   D   Here's an example of calling these two DECdtm services from COBOL:   identification division. program-id. c3553h.  environment division.  data division. working-storage section.- 01 RETURN_STATUS        PIC 9(5)        comp.  01 DTM_CONTEXT . 02 DTM_CON_TID .5      05 DTM_CON_TID_LST PIC 9(9)        comp value 0. 5 01 DTM_EFN              PIC 9(9)        comp value 0. 5 01 DTM_FLAGS            PIC 9(9)        comp value 0. 5 01 DTM_IOSB             PIC 9(18)       comp value 0.  01 DTM_CON_TID .5      05 DTM_CON_TID_LST PIC 9(9)        comp value 0.  procedure division. 9 1.      CALL "sys$start_transw" USING   BY VALUE dtm_efn, #                 BY VALUE dtm_flags, &                 BY REFERENCE dtm_iosb,!                 OMITTED, OMITTED, 8                 BY REFERENCE dtm_con_tid OF  dtm_context.                         GIVING return_status .9 2.      CALL "sys$abort_transw" USING   BY VALUE dtm_efn, #                 BY VALUE dtm_flags, &                 BY REFERENCE dtm_iosb,!                 OMITTED, OMITTED, 8                 BY REFERENCE dtm_con_tid OF  dtm_context.                         GIVING return_status .         stop run.  end program c3553h.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:02:51 +0200 % From: "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> 7 Subject: Re: Extensible Versatile Editor setup question . Message-ID: <8lh0nq$453$1@info.service.rug.nl>  0 "Gigglegs" <gigglegs@aol.com> wrote in message =4 news:20000723164027.12866.00001563@ng-ce1.aol.com...J > I am trying to run EVE through edit /tpu command. I am having problems = with/ > unwanted characters on the display.  Example:e >=20 > $set term /device=3Dvt200  > $edit /tpu brandnewfile.txte% > Editing new file.  Could not find =s( DKA:[000000]brandnewfile.txt;1;80H1JH[EN > 2A >=20I > I also issued edit /edt.  brandnewfile.txt and I don't seem to have a =e problemAH > with the display.  I am not having the problem here, only when I use =	 EVE. Whatn% > can I do to solve this problem. =20t >=20I > Another question that might be related to this is when I use up arrow =o keysF > instead of recall  n command my $ prompt moves over by one space.  = Example: >=20 > $dir > $show def=20 > $recall 1  > $show def=20= > but when I use the up arrow the display will look like this E > K$show def (reversed question mark)which is an escape character I =a believe. >=208 > What could be causing this to happen?  Any advice??=20; > Any help will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.  >=20 > gigglegs@aol.com  H Such errors are sometimes seen when the terminal is operating in 8-bit = mode. B Confusing matter. This does not relate to the way characters are =
 sent/received 4 to/from the most, for which 8-bits/1-stop-bit is OK.E But it relates to the way special keys are treated (like arrow keys). I In 8-bit mode, these special keys send a special character with a value =  > 127.G In 7-bit mode, these special keys send only characters with a value < =e 127.= Not all software under VMS know how to handle the 8-bit mode.o   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jul 2000 09:28:46 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)7 Subject: Re: Extensible Versatile Editor setup questionO+ Message-ID: <ocFL+7VZqxfF@eisner.decus.org>S  ^ In article <20000723164027.12866.00001563@ng-ce1.aol.com>, gigglegs@aol.com (Gigglegs) writes:M > I am trying to run EVE through edit /tpu command. I am having problems withs/ > unwanted characters on the display.  Example:d >  > $set term /device=vt200F > $edit /tpu brandnewfile.txtoL > Editing new file.  Could not find DKA:[000000]brandnewfile.txt;1;80H1JH[EN > 2A > B    I see this kind of thing all the time, depending on whether theF    telnet I'm using suports eightbit (only my Mac's telnet doesn't).  C    Try show term/full and set term/eightbit or set term/noeightbit.p   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:04:54 -0300i1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>-% Subject: RE: Help default boot & time-K Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A333749@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>    > ----------8 > From: 	unixguys@my-deja.com[SMTP:unixguys@my-deja.com]( > Sent: 	Saturday, July 22, 2000 9:58 PM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com$ > Subject: 	Help default boot & time > G > I picked up a 4000/600 recently, loaded VMS 7.2 etc, but I find after I > setting default boot device, it doesn't seem to save after a cold boot.n > 0 I take it you have set these up  using SET BOOT.  H > Also does VMS "always" ask for the time when booting up or are both of5 > these problems related to a dead internal battery ?  >  MC SYSGEN SET SETTIME 0C  D > If so does anyone know where this would be located in the machine. > I > Also when mounting the cd via mount dka400 vaxvms072 the cd mounts with-G > the message %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, VAXVMS072 mounted on _HOBBY$DKA400: but-I > for the life of me I cannot find on the filesystem where it is mounted,eH > so what is the trick to mounting and accessing the drive to read files > etc. on the cd. ?  > * My guess would be that this is not the CD. - Darren   > Thanks in advence. >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.a >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and5J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they2L are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingX of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudagF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:18:29 GMTn* From: Steven Whatley <swhatley@blkbox.com>9 Subject: Re: How to make HP printer talk to VMS/Multinet?-1 Message-ID: <964459108.825656@newstest.texas.net>0  N In vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet Lawrence Bleau <bleau@umtof.umd.edu> wrote:O > We're trying to set up a print queue that prints to a HP laserjet printer.  I@P > went through the Multinet menus to configure a printer.  I gave it the correctJ > IP address and port number.  I know they are correct because the printerP > configuration page, when I printed it, gave me the IP address, and I then used > TELNET/PORT=9100 ipaddressP > to connect to it.  The printer accepted the telnet request (the TELNET commandO > connected me instead of hanging), so that confirms the printer is on the net, 5 > has that IP address, and is listening on port 9100.X  G When we set up multistream (port 9100) print queues for HP printers, wepC turn ON the NO_FEED and NO_TELNET options.  Printing some documents E (Interleaf Printleaf files) containing graphics has caused PostScripte" errors when these were turned OFF.   Later, Steven   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Jul 2000 15:33:53 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)' Subject: Re: KA660 CPU Technical Manual 6 Message-ID: <8lhnl1$1od$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  e In article <20000721210831.07836.00000080@ng-da1.news.cs.com>, allensmidt@cs.com (AllenSmidt) writes: O :I am looking for a KA660 CPU Module Technical Manual.  If any one has one theyh1 :would be willing to give up, please let me know.h  L   Have you checked to see if you can order the part number EK-KA660-TM-001, 3   as this is the KA660 CPU Module Technical Manual?e  K   [If you are performing your own system maintenance, than the folks at the H   Compaq Assisted Services (CAS) program can be quite helpful, providingI   spares and board swaps and access to manuals and diagnostics and such.]/  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:06:31 GMT 7 From: Johnny Billquist <Johnny.Billquist@netinsight.se>:1 Subject: Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.comL- Message-ID: <397C310D.DE567F57@netinsight.se>n   Bill Todd wrote: > ; > Terry C. Shannon <shannon@world.std.com> wrote in messageB" > news:Fy67yL.2C8@world.std.com... > N > > If what the Q is saying about DII-COE, OpenVMS will be around for at least > > 15 more years... > > > I'm sure it will be.  Just like RSX is still around today...  J I'm not sure I understand that comment. If it was meant as irony, I assumeI it was an implication that RSX isn't around. But RSX is still around, butdK DEC sold it off, so now you find RSX under Mentec. <http://www.mentec.com/>e  D If you mean that COMPAQ will sell VMS off, I have a hard time seeingD who on earth would buy it. In a way, DEC (COMPAQ) has painted itselfD more into a corner with VMS than with anything else. None but COMPAQ. has an interest in keeping it alive, it seems.F And I definitely don't think anyone wants to pay whatever COMPAQ would want to sell it.   	Johnnyi   -- e? Johnny Billquist             |  johnny.billquist@netinsight.nete7 Net Insight AB               |  phone:  +46 8 685 04 88c7 Vstberga All 9             |  fax:    +46 8 685 04 20- Box 42093                    |9 SE-126 30 STOCKHOLM, Sweden  |  http://www.netinsight.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:33:24 -0400w' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>v1 Subject: Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com ( Message-ID: <8lhd06$egi$1@pyrite.mv.net>  B Johnny Billquist <Johnny.Billquist@netinsight.se> wrote in message' news:397C310D.DE567F57@netinsight.se...  > Bill Todd wrote: > >y= > > Terry C. Shannon <shannon@world.std.com> wrote in message $ > > news:Fy67yL.2C8@world.std.com... > > J > > > If what the Q is saying about DII-COE, OpenVMS will be around for at leastc > > > 15 more years... > > @ > > I'm sure it will be.  Just like RSX is still around today... >-L > I'm not sure I understand that comment. If it was meant as irony, I assumeK > it was an implication that RSX isn't around. But RSX is still around, butn4 > DEC sold it off, so now you find RSX under Mentec. <http://www.mentec.com/>  K It was meant pretty much at face value:  indeed RSX is still around, but innK terms of development effort and market share is only a shadow of its former1= self.  As a 16-bit OS in a 64-bit world, this is appropriate.c  I The point is that the mere continued existence of VMS will not suffice toaL make it an attractive platform for new development.  For many current users,J this may not be important.  For many others, being tied to an increasingly' stagnant platform will be unacceptable.    >mF > If you mean that COMPAQ will sell VMS off, I have a hard time seeingF > who on earth would buy it. In a way, DEC (COMPAQ) has painted itselfF > more into a corner with VMS than with anything else. None but COMPAQ0 > has an interest in keeping it alive, it seems.H > And I definitely don't think anyone wants to pay whatever COMPAQ would > want to sell it.  H Whether Compaq retains VMS, sells it, or pays someone to take it away isE likely less relevant to users than how aggressively its leadership is & maintained.  Unless the buyer is CA...   - bill   >a > Johnny >u > --A > Johnny Billquist             |  johnny.billquist@netinsight.nete9 > Net Insight AB               |  phone:  +46 8 685 04 88o9 > Vstberga All 9             |  fax:    +46 8 685 04 20r  > Box 42093                    |; > SE-126 30 STOCKHOLM, Sweden  |  http://www.netinsight.neti   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jul 2000 09:34:02 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)1 Subject: Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com + Message-ID: <s2YzVDXOPAPz@eisner.decus.org>e  g In article <397C310D.DE567F57@netinsight.se>, Johnny Billquist <Johnny.Billquist@netinsight.se> writes:    > F > If you mean that COMPAQ will sell VMS off, I have a hard time seeingF > who on earth would buy it. In a way, DEC (COMPAQ) has painted itselfF > more into a corner with VMS than with anything else. None but COMPAQ0 > has an interest in keeping it alive, it seems. >   6 	Umm... maybe you meant to say "who on earth would buy9 	SGI."   Seems SGI is losing money quarter after quarter.  	Same can't be said of VMS.   @ > None but COMPAQ has an interest in keeping it alive, it seems.  > 	Wrong again Johnny.  Large VMS customers would beg to differ.; 	Perhaps you don't believe there are any?  That wouldn't be   	a correct assumption either ...   				Robs   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:17:51 -0400u& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc>1 Subject: Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.comy% Message-ID: <397c4ed8@news.toast.net>l  I > Windows on IA64 sure as hell isn't gonna offer the reliability of _____  > for a hell of a long time.  J You fill in the blank but if you look at the retuned strategies of Compaq,K IBM, and HP in the last 12 months they have all dropped the strategy in thesE end all roads will lead to Windows.  It is clear that Win2K failed to J deliver what these manufactures expected.  Note all 3 jumped ship and haveH refocused their UNIX strategy from a short term "until Windows is ready"1 strategy to a long term UNIX and Oracle strategy.t  4 There has been a major sea change out there folks...     --     Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc E =====================================================================g; "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com> wrote in messagew  news:Fy67yL.2C8@world.std.com... >w > > J > > Just finished scanning Terry's Australia presentation (FinalOzTug.ppt," > > downloaded from acersoft.com). > >lH > > Granting that he was presenting to a Tandem audience, it sure looked like > heL > > had a far more encouraging story to tell Tandem users than he would have > hadeJ > > to tell VMS users:  prognostications of an explosion of Himalaya sales inJ > > the enterprise space, reports of vigorous R&D efforts, lists of TandemD > > strongholds that included most of those that Compaq lists as VMS > > strongholds... >0I > You are right, it was a Tandem-centric audience and I drafted the pitchDL > accordingly. NSK sales grew 6 percent 1FQ and appear to be heading higher.4 > The Q can't build the S74000-series fast enough... >r > >>H > > It would not be a stretch to suspect that the reason we haven't seen moreD > > enthusiasm from Compaq (save for verbal reassurances and efforts	 involvingpH > > minimal funding) regarding its 'VMS renaissance' is not because they haveC > > the combined intelligence of a tree-stump but because they haven	 alternaterJ > > plans that just don't include VMS as an important contributor:  Tandem inJ > > the enterprise space, Tru64 in the mid-range (including its developingD > > clustering abilities and its NonStop configuration on the Tandem	 IntegritypL > > hardware - RIP ftVAX), and Windows on IA hardware wherever they can sell > it.u >sJ > VMS remains a $3.9B business and sales/revenues are up. Got confirmation of > that Down Under. >eK > Windows on IA64 sure as hell isn't gonna offer the reliability of OpenVMSe > for a hell of a long time. >eL > > And given that we already know that Compaq likes to avoid competing withJ > > itself, it's hard to find a significant hole for VMS to fill in such aI > > strategy, even though we could suggest that a different strategy that K > > included a significant VMS presence (and more product overlap) might be  a  > > stronger one overall.O >dK > Compaq could learn a lot from General Motors about competing with itself.o >c > >eG > > That would explain Compaq's actions (right up to the present) a lotd betterI > > than postulating a continuing suicidal dependence on eventual Windows0G > > supremacy.  It would also be a lot more difficult to argue against,t sincecF > > they may well be willing to compromise ultimate market share if it allowsF > > them to simplify their product set (as I've said from the first, I really@ > > don't think they're comfortable being a software developer). > >m
 > > Comments?s > L > If what the Q is saying about DII-COE, OpenVMS will be around for at least > 15 more years... >5 >  >n       --     Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc-E =====================================================================M; "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com> wrote in message)  news:Fy67yL.2C8@world.std.com... >  > > J > > Just finished scanning Terry's Australia presentation (FinalOzTug.ppt," > > downloaded from acersoft.com). > >IH > > Granting that he was presenting to a Tandem audience, it sure looked like > heL > > had a far more encouraging story to tell Tandem users than he would have > hadLJ > > to tell VMS users:  prognostications of an explosion of Himalaya sales inJ > > the enterprise space, reports of vigorous R&D efforts, lists of TandemD > > strongholds that included most of those that Compaq lists as VMS > > strongholds... >yI > You are right, it was a Tandem-centric audience and I drafted the pitchaL > accordingly. NSK sales grew 6 percent 1FQ and appear to be heading higher.4 > The Q can't build the S74000-series fast enough... >e > > H > > It would not be a stretch to suspect that the reason we haven't seen moreD > > enthusiasm from Compaq (save for verbal reassurances and efforts	 involving-H > > minimal funding) regarding its 'VMS renaissance' is not because they haveC > > the combined intelligence of a tree-stump but because they have2	 alternate J > > plans that just don't include VMS as an important contributor:  Tandem inJ > > the enterprise space, Tru64 in the mid-range (including its developingD > > clustering abilities and its NonStop configuration on the Tandem	 IntegrityeL > > hardware - RIP ftVAX), and Windows on IA hardware wherever they can sell > it.s > J > VMS remains a $3.9B business and sales/revenues are up. Got confirmation of > that Down Under. >uK > Windows on IA64 sure as hell isn't gonna offer the reliability of OpenVMSn > for a hell of a long time. >0L > > And given that we already know that Compaq likes to avoid competing withJ > > itself, it's hard to find a significant hole for VMS to fill in such aI > > strategy, even though we could suggest that a different strategy that K > > included a significant VMS presence (and more product overlap) might bet a  > > stronger one overall.r >tK > Compaq could learn a lot from General Motors about competing with itself.l >  > >sG > > That would explain Compaq's actions (right up to the present) a lot  betterI > > than postulating a continuing suicidal dependence on eventual Windows G > > supremacy.  It would also be a lot more difficult to argue against,p sinceeF > > they may well be willing to compromise ultimate market share if it allowsF > > them to simplify their product set (as I've said from the first, I really@ > > don't think they're comfortable being a software developer). > >i
 > > Comments?h >oL > If what the Q is saying about DII-COE, OpenVMS will be around for at least > 15 more years... >w >y >    ------------------------------   Date: 24 Jul 2000 14:36:23 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)1 Subject: Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.coml, Message-ID: <8lhk97$aou@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  X In article <397B86F0.4FFDB000@bellatlantic.net>, hg/jb <shsrms@bellatlantic.net> writes: >"Terry C. Shannon" wrote: >> )5 >> "hg/jb" <shsrms@bellatlantic.net> wrote in messageo- >> news:397B309A.41FC12DB@bellatlantic.net...S5 >> > Hmm, I seem to recall something about galaxy....lF >> > wasn't there some work on multiple OS on a single multiple cpu hw >> > platform?9 >> > something like vms, tru64, linux on the same box....n >> dK >> Yup. At DECUS Anaheim 88 they demoed VMS UNIX and Borgware on an 8400. A.L >> GS-Series box can have up to 8 hard partitions and can run VMS, UNIX, and5 >> Linux (altho' the latter doth not scale for s**t).eH >Yeah, now you are reminding everyone that I read (both past and present >tense)n >all your stuff!!TD >Is this a surprise - the Linux Scalability I mean- I am not a linux >bigot, I >but I wonder if it will scale if the linux effort keeps pushing and they , >get their hands on a couple of good boxes!!  J This depends critically upon the application that you want to "scale".  IfG the application is sufficiently parallel that it runs well on a Beowulf.H style machine it will scale very well indeed on Linux - and the cost perG cpu will be a fraction of what it would be on an equivalent SMP system. H Obviously I don't have access to the real numbers, but judging from the K number of sites I've read about with hundreds of single CPU alphas engaged  G in this sort of activity I can estimate that the fraction of Alpha CPUsyK used for massively parallel computing is at least as high as that currentlyt utilized in SMP machines.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduw? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech i   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:08:24 -0400U. From: "Jason Corley" <corleyj@spawar.navy.mil>& Subject: OpenVMS 7.2 on DEC Multia/UDB. Message-ID: <8lhprb$178$1@newpoisson.nosc.mil>  J I found info that states that it is possible to run OpenVMS on a Multia (IB have the 166 MHz alpha version).  Has anyone done this?  Are thereL references that someone can point me to, pitfalls that I should be aware of, etc.?  Thanks.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:03:58 -0400 (EDT)* From: quayle@infinet.com* Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.2 on DEC Multia/UDBK Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10007241243420.4241-100000@shell.oh.voyager.net>   L > I found info that states that it is possible to run OpenVMS on a Multia (ID > have the 166 MHz alpha version).  Has anyone done this?  Are thereN > references that someone can point me to, pitfalls that I should be aware of, > etc.?  Thanks.  G I have 4 Multias, with 2 set up as a SCSI-connected cluster running VMSoC 7.2-1.  Another one was running VMS, but is now dead.  The 4th is a* "spare".   Here are some links for you:E http://www.djesys.com/vms/hobbyist/multia.html           (Start here)t0 http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/computers/udb.html0 http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/alpha/multiafaq.html@ ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/readmes/multia.html% http://www.wei.com/multia/qshome.htmlu http://www.cpumicromart.com/  J CPU Micro Mart used to sell these things for $79.95.  They might even haveG a few sitting around.  Get one with the external SCSI connector, unlessr you enjoy sheet metal work.u  H Multias need True Parity memory to work, which is, alas, expensive.  YouJ can get VMS to run in 64 MB, but make sure you disable DECwindows on boot.E I have DECwindows running on a 128 MB system with "okay" performance.t  G You must get one with a floppy drive, because there's a magic patch kittI (freeware) that you must run, doing a foreign boot.  I recommend that you B copy a working Alpha system disk, rather than install from the CD.  I Don't lose the floppy drive, because you'll need it each time you installuI a patch to VMS.  Both the 7.2-1 and ECO kits I installed required a re-dopF of the patches.  However, the version always reports as "7.2", because that's what the patch says.4  F Before you turn it on for the first time, open up the box and find theI fan.  Cut one of the yellow wires on the fan.  This will force the fan tonJ maximum airflow.  Anything less will cause the Multia to overheat and die.: You must mount the unit vertically with the plastic stand.  H Don't try to use the serial console -- it will come up partway and hang.G You must use the graphics console mode, even if you disable DECwindows.t  $ Enjoy!  You're now running on Alpha!   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:15:26 GMT 3 From: Eric Dittman <dittman@narnia.int.dittman.net> * Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.2 on DEC Multia/UDB@ Message-ID: <OQ_e5.38384$DH3.1154048@news-east.usenetserver.com>   quayle@infinet.com wrote:nI : I have 4 Multias, with 2 set up as a SCSI-connected cluster running VMSnE : 7.2-1.  Another one was running VMS, but is now dead.  The 4th is an
 : "spare".  H My Multia booted with V7.2 and the Multia patch, but not with V7.2-1 andH the Multia patch.  When I went from V7.2 to V7.2-1 I did a fresh installE as I wanted to change the cluster size of the disk.  After the V7.2-1sE install I installed the mandatory patches and rebooted (this was on aeE PC164 system).  I then installed the Multia patch and did the cluster.F config.  When I try to boot the Multia I get a crash, whether or not IF use the foreign boot disk (which shouldn't be necessary as I added the patch to the cluster system).i  J : Don't try to use the serial console -- it will come up partway and hang.I : You must use the graphics console mode, even if you disable DECwindows.   H This is due to lack of support in the Multia patch for the serial ports.H The PCMCIA slots aren't supported, either.  The PCI slot isn't supportedD for any cards that use an interrupt.  All this information is in the OpenVMS FAQ. --   Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.nett   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:54:33 -0400e3 From: "Gaitan D'Antoni" <gaitan.dantoni@compaq.com>y+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS Registry ConfigurationJ* Message-ID: <8lhhsu$qe1@usenet.pa.dec.com>  8 That message means that the requested key doesn't exist.  L That key is created when you select option 3 "Populate the Registry databaseK for COM" from DCOM$SETUP.COM. After you populate the registry you should be  able to list the key.e    L $B? wrote in message <01bff2ea$111f5b80$3067a310@ngoequinox.ngo.dec.com>...
 > Hello !!L >Does anybody why I got the following message while trying to list a certain >Key ?1 >I just installed OpenVMS and Advance Server 7.2.i) >I am trying to install DCOM for OpenVMS.n4 >REG> list key hkey_local_machine\software\MicrosoftL >Key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\MICROSOFT, %REG-E-INVPATH, invalid key path! >%REG-E-INVPATH, invalid key path.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:44:26 GMTl From: awrycroft001@my-deja.com Subject: PGPi and OpenVMS ) Message-ID: <8lgvla$92r$1@nnrp1.deja.com>i   Hi,n  D Has anyone had any experience running the PGPi software on OpenVMS ? http://www.pgpi.org.   Thanks Andrew Rycroft    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:48:49 +0200w= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>, Subject: Re: PGPi and OpenVMSe) Message-ID: <397C1F11.89175527@gtech.com>i   awrycroft001@my-deja.com wrote:nF > Has anyone had any experience running the PGPi software on OpenVMS ? > http://www.pgpi.org.  $ The old PGP 2.6.x works fine on VMS.  8 I have never heard about the newer PGP's running on VMS.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:23:42 -0400t From: quayle@pobox.com Subject: Re: PGPi and OpenVMSh/ Message-ID: <397BFD0E.32475.19CADC14@localhost>e  & > The old PGP 2.6.x works fine on VMS. > : > I have never heard about the newer PGP's running on VMS.  B One of my clients uses a VMS system with ViaCrypt PGP (a licensed B version of PGP 2.6.1).  ViaCrypt has since been bought by Network  Associates.e  F After months of talking with the people at NA, they told me that, for @ $10,000, they would "consider" creating a newer version for VMS.  . My client is going to a HP-UX solution.  Sigh.     --Stan  
 ----------G Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com9   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:24:15 +0100 & From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@compaq.com> Subject: Re: PGPi and OpenVMS-* Message-ID: <397C356F.5FAE16C0@compaq.com>   quayle@pobox.com wrote:_  ( > > The old PGP 2.6.x works fine on VMS. > >S< > > I have never heard about the newer PGP's running on VMS. >rC > One of my clients uses a VMS system with ViaCrypt PGP (a licensedBC > version of PGP 2.6.1).  ViaCrypt has since been bought by Networka
 > Associates.i >sG > After months of talking with the people at NA, they told me that, for B > $10,000, they would "consider" creating a newer version for VMS.   Ah, progress !!e  ? When I talked to Network Associates, no-one there had ever evenm *heard* of VMS.   	 Roy Omondn Blue Bubble Ltd., (certainly not speaking on behalf of Compaq)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:43:15 -0400M From: quayle@pobox.com Subject: Re: PGPi and OpenVMSW/ Message-ID: <397C0FB3.20842.1A13B39A@localhost>   I > > After months of talking with the people at NA, they told me that, forcD > > $10,000, they would "consider" creating a newer version for VMS. >  > Ah, progress !!u > A > When I talked to Network Associates, no-one there had ever even: > *heard* of VMS.g   That's why it took months.  B Of course, if my client had paid the annual maintenance fee, they @ could sue for breach of contract.  Penny wise and pound foolish.     --Stan  
 ----------G Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671t1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147y= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------   Date: 24 Jul 2000 15:20:52 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: PGPi and OpenVMSn, Message-ID: <8lhmsk$c4b@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  J In article <8lgvla$92r$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, awrycroft001@my-deja.com writes: >Hi, > E >Has anyone had any experience running the PGPi software on OpenVMS ?= >http://www.pgpi.org.= >=   I just took a look at it.  o   Ugh.  J Unpacked it on a linux/alpha box and did ./build.sh.  That ran the dreadedL autoconf stuff and created something like 30 Makefiles (it scrolled off the H top of the 25 line screen anyway).  It also did all sorts of on the fly F file name linking and creation of file headers.  I did not let the run3 complete, but wasn't pleased to see warnings like:    & gpFileDB.c: In function `OpenKeyRing':7 pgpFileDB.c:829: warning: empty body in an if-statementp   or compile lines including  /   -DUNFINISHED_CODE_ALLOWED=1 -DUSE_PGP_LEAKS=0t  D but not including "-ansi" or anything else to make the compiler moreH stringent.  There were also sections written in C++.  C++ is bad enough,H but C++ only tested with gcc and compiled without any language standardsK enforcement is highly unlikely to compile or run in other C++ environments.t  : Good luck to you if you try to port it - you will need it!  I The really sick thing about all of this is that code developed on OpenVMSrI with cc/standard=ansi89/prefix=all/warn=enable=all will generally compile E cleanly on other platforms and run there as well - and won't need anyeI ifdef's so long as it sticks with unix paths and filenames.  It will alsomJ build fine with a static Makefile.  But code developed on Unix without theD compiler enforcing language standards _requires_ autoconf, a pile ofJ ifdefs, and more often than not, ends up being riddled with bugs which are" exposed by different compilers.     L Maybe that's why the Unix folks are so hot on Autoconf - it does a fair job F of propping up code which isn't compliant with the language standards.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:53:24 -0700n+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>t Subject: Re: PGPi and OpenVMSg( Message-ID: <397C7484.3DA06DBB@mmaz.com>  S Version 2.6.3i did build and work on VMS 5.5-2 years back without too much problem.g   Barrye   David Mathog wrote:u  L > In article <8lgvla$92r$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, awrycroft001@my-deja.com writes: > >Hi, > >pG > >Has anyone had any experience running the PGPi software on OpenVMS ?p > >http://www.pgpi.org.u > >l >p > I just took a look at it.  >  > Ugh. > L > Unpacked it on a linux/alpha box and did ./build.sh.  That ran the dreadedM > autoconf stuff and created something like 30 Makefiles (it scrolled off the I > top of the 25 line screen anyway).  It also did all sorts of on the fly'H > file name linking and creation of file headers.  I did not let the run4 > complete, but wasn't pleased to see warnings like: >S( > gpFileDB.c: In function `OpenKeyRing':9 > pgpFileDB.c:829: warning: empty body in an if-statementn >- > or compile lines including >=1 >   -DUNFINISHED_CODE_ALLOWED=1 -DUSE_PGP_LEAKS=0h >oF > but not including "-ansi" or anything else to make the compiler moreJ > stringent.  There were also sections written in C++.  C++ is bad enough,J > but C++ only tested with gcc and compiled without any language standardsM > enforcement is highly unlikely to compile or run in other C++ environments.  > < > Good luck to you if you try to port it - you will need it! > K > The really sick thing about all of this is that code developed on OpenVMSlK > with cc/standard=ansi89/prefix=all/warn=enable=all will generally compileaG > cleanly on other platforms and run there as well - and won't need anySK > ifdef's so long as it sticks with unix paths and filenames.  It will alsonL > build fine with a static Makefile.  But code developed on Unix without theF > compiler enforcing language standards _requires_ autoconf, a pile ofL > ifdefs, and more often than not, ends up being riddled with bugs which are! > exposed by different compilers.o >oM > Maybe that's why the Unix folks are so hot on Autoconf - it does a fair job)H > of propping up code which isn't compliant with the language standards. >i
 > Regards, >a > David Mathog > mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu @ > Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOt  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:44:07 +1000w/ From: "Phil Howell" <howellp@snowyhydro.com.au>a Subject: Re: Plain Kermit?3 Message-ID: <slTe5.44848$N4.1620704@ozemail.com.au>   , Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote in message! news:397B9A30.2F08C914@vrx.net...n > Frank da Cruz wrote: >gI > > You would probably want to install C anyway.  A lot of other programso needI > > to be compiled too.   Did you know you can also get prebuilt binaries  foraA > > lots of different VMS configurations?  Look at the bottom of:e >t; > Yes, I understand about C, that's not really the problem.c6 > The hours and hours of ASCII uploading is a problem./ > prebuilt binaries are only half the solution.a >tK > >   You can use the old, old, old, unsupported Kermit-32 (just 56K).  Forr3 > > instructions, see Section I (Bootstrapping) of:u >iI > Saw the bootstrapping info. I'm not sure I can use it. How do I get thet imageaD > onto the vax in the first place? I can't make a bootable floppy or
 anything liket > that.iL You need vmsmit.hex and vmsdeh.mar and also a working copy of kermit on your pc3 Run kermit on the pc to connect to the vax on com1: - Type at the dcl prompt:     create vmsmit.hex.G go back to the kermit client (ctrl-c) and type:     transmit vmsmit.hexV; When it's done, go back to the server and create vmsdeh.mar $ and then transmit it from the clientG You now should have 2 files the dehexifier source and the kermit binaryd macro vmsdeh   ;this assembles!        link vmsdeh ;        linksg+        run vmsdeh ; and runs the dehexifiera- enter vmsmit.hex when it asks for a file name/* this creates vmsmit.exe (aka bliss kermit)J you can then use this kermit to get the full c-kermit binary that you want. (if you can find a .hex file for it of course) Phil   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Jul 2000 16:28:49 GMT0 From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Plain Kermit?5 Message-ID: <8lhqs1$gs1$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>.  , Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote in message! news:397B9A30.2F08C914@vrx.net... ; : Yes, I understand about C, that's not really the problem. 6 : The hours and hours of ASCII uploading is a problem./ : prebuilt binaries are only half the solution.e :y : Frank da Cruz wrote:I : > You can use the old, old, old, unsupported Kermit-32 (just 56K).  Foru3 : > instructions, see Section I (Bootstrapping) of:t :wI : Saw the bootstrapping info. I'm not sure I can use it. How do I get theeJ : image onto the vax in the first place? I can't make a bootable floppy or : anything like that.t :sF : Understand, I have NO networking installed, the ONLY way to transferJ : files to the box right now is from the PC com port directly connected to
 : the Vax. :  Please go back and look again:  /   ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/ckvins.txto   Read Section I, Bootstrapping.  E : Are you starting to see what a nightmareish world I'm in right now?f :nF It's the very situation addressed in the document above, the one whichK Phil Howell <howellp@snowyhydro.com.au> paraphrases below, and, by the way, H the situation which has been addressed by Kermit software since the very
 beginning.  J : You need vmsmit.hex and vmsdeh.mar and also a working copy of kermit on 	 : your pce5 : Run kermit on the pc to connect to the vax on com1: / : Type at the dcl prompt:     create vmsmit.hexoI : go back to the kermit client (ctrl-c) and type:     transmit vmsmit.hex = : When it's done, go back to the server and create vmsdeh.mart& : and then transmit it from the clientI : You now should have 2 files the dehexifier source and the kermit binarye  : macro vmsdeh   ;this assembles# :        link vmsdeh ;        linksa- :        run vmsdeh ; and runs the dehexifier-/ : enter vmsmit.hex when it asks for a file name , : this creates vmsmit.exe (aka bliss kermit)L : you can then use this kermit to get the full c-kermit binary that you want0 : (if you can find a .hex file for it of course) : @ Or an .EXE.  Again, the prebuilt C-Kermit VMS binaries are here:  -   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html   C Once you have Kermit-32 on your VAX, you can use it to download thes appropriate C-Kermit binary.   - Frank    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jul 2000 10:33:35 +0200; From: sutter@robert.mpe-garching.mpg.de (Robert Suetterlin)4$ Subject: Q: Looking for an old game.5 Message-ID: <8lgv0v$7v1$1@robert.mpe-garching.mpg.de>.  H Sorry for asking this slightly off-topic question, but I do not know how, to find what I'm looking for in another way.  E I'm looking for a game that I believe I played some 15 years ago on a H PDP11. It is a kind of space exploration game and has a feature no otherH game I know has. You can destroy starts and once You destroyed the last,F the  game ends and tells You to wait until a new galaxy is created ---5 which took like weeks when I played it the last time.iA 	As You all will have guessed I do not know the name of the game.rH That is exactly what I need and perhaps a place to get it or its source.   Bye, Robert S. 8 -- y% Robert S"utterlin (robert@mpe.mpg.de)u0 phone: +(49)89 3299-3545, fax: +(49)89 3299-3569? adress: Giessenbachstrasse, POBox 1603, 85740 Garching, Germanyo   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:06:32 +0100n+ From: Ray Swadling <ray@rgscomputing.co.uk>r( Subject: Re: Q: Looking for an old game.8 Message-ID: <bomonsklelrd4nkprfoi89a9hdfcrltek2@4ax.com>  D Could this be Galactic Trader??? I played this on VAX, and this gaveA you the option of creating a new galaxy to play in, each time youy started the game.....i   Ray.  @ On 24 Jul 2000 10:33:35 +0200, sutter@robert.mpe-garching.mpg.de (Robert Suetterlin) wrote:   >nI >Sorry for asking this slightly off-topic question, but I do not know how - >to find what I'm looking for in another way.h >lF >I'm looking for a game that I believe I played some 15 years ago on aI >PDP11. It is a kind of space exploration game and has a feature no otherlI >game I know has. You can destroy starts and once You destroyed the last,-G >the  game ends and tells You to wait until a new galaxy is created ---<6 >which took like weeks when I played it the last time.B >	As You all will have guessed I do not know the name of the game.I >That is exactly what I need and perhaps a place to get it or its source.2 >t >Bye, Robert S.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jul 2000 12:31:53 -0500 From: briggs@eisner.decus.org - Subject: Re: Removing <LF><CR> from text fileM+ Message-ID: <6N8mBGtEcAYZ@eisner.decus.org>t  \ In article <39789A01.3E0ACB72@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >> e\ >> In article <8l8t1j$agm$1@buty.wanadoo.nl>, "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl> writes:D >> > Yes, but unfortunately, "real" keyboards don't have an ESC key! >>  E >> They do once you change the keyboard setup (DECterm settings for a  >> workstation). > M > However, bear in mind that te ability to generate a single escape character M > from the keyboard does not garantee it will work since the SYS$QIO (or SMG)tL > calls will return with an inclomplete escape sequence error message to the) > application if you type just an escape.s > M > The escape character, in an editor must be entered in its numeric form (EDTtP > has an esay keyboard way to do this, for TPU, you need to know TPU programming >  to enter it).   EDT:  CTRL-[ CTRL-[. EVE:  CTRL-v CTRL-[-  F No escape key.  No numeric programming.  Screen mode editors are smartC enough to deal with the escape key pressed by itself, regardless of  terminal settings.  & 	John Briggs			briggs@eisner.decus.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:21:09 -0500a* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>4 Subject: Re[2]: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com- Message-ID: <0033000001255892000002L022*@MHS>t  E =0AJohnny Billquist <Johnny.Billquist@netinsight.se> wrote in messageg' news:397C310D.DE567F57@netinsight.se...e > Bill Todd wrote: > >o= > > Terry C. Shannon <shannon@world.std.com> wrote in message $ > > news:Fy67yL.2C8@world.std.com... > >:H > > > If what the Q is saying about DII-COE, OpenVMS will be around for=  at4 least0 > > > 15 more years... > >l@ > > I'm sure it will be.  Just like RSX is still around today... >5H > I'm not sure I understand that comment. If it was meant as irony, I a= ssumeeH > it was an implication that RSX isn't around. But RSX is still around,=  but4 > DEC sold it off, so now you find RSX under Mentec. <http://www.mentec.com/>  H It was meant pretty much at face value:  indeed RSX is still around, bu= t inH terms of development effort and market share is only a shadow of its fo= rmer= self.  As a 16-bit OS in a 64-bit world, this is appropriate.   H The point is that the mere continued existence of VMS will not suffice = toH make it an attractive platform for new development.  For many current u= sers,oH this may not be important.  For many others, being tied to an increasin= glya' stagnant platform will be unacceptable.w   > F > If you mean that COMPAQ will sell VMS off, I have a hard time seeingF > who on earth would buy it. In a way, DEC (COMPAQ) has painted itselfF > more into a corner with VMS than with anything else. None but COMPAQ0 > has an interest in keeping it alive, it seems.H > And I definitely don't think anyone wants to pay whatever COMPAQ woul= de > want to sell it.  H Whether Compaq retains VMS, sells it, or pays someone to take it away i= stE likely less relevant to users than how aggressively its leadership iss& maintained.  Unless the buyer is CA...   - bill   >m > Johnny >l > --A > Johnny Billquist             |  johnny.billquist@netinsight.net 9 > Net Insight AB               |  phone:  +46 8 685 04 88s9 > V?stberga All? 9             |  fax:    +46 8 685 04 20t  > Box 42093                    |; > SE-126 30 STOCKHOLM, Sweden  |  http://www.netinsight.net           Large ships turn slowly.-  F      But the ship IS turning, and attention is being paid to things at      *high levels*.:  H      The damage done by DIGITAL and, to a lesser degree, by Compaq befo= reF      it realized what it has in VMS, will not be undone overnight, andH      although I don't expect to see things become like the early Nineti= esH      again, where one could seamlessly go from desktop to mainframe and=  H      there was a DECwhatever software product to fill that need, I *do*=  %      sense a revitalization going on.K        WWWebbn   =t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:41:17 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>2 Subject: Re: run java out of jar files, vs jar -xf+ Message-ID: <8lgvff$r1m@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>t  ? "David Mathog" <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote in messaget& news:8la77v$c0m@gap.cco.caltech.edu...H > Is there a way to run programs on VMS using the "java" command without= > first having to jar -xf all the jar files that comprise it?v   A construction like:  ? java  -classpath 'f$trnlnm("CLASSPATH")':/app_dir/app.jar Class    works for me (JDK 1.1.8)   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jul 2000 09:20:48 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)2 Subject: Re: run java out of jar files, vs jar -xf+ Message-ID: <4X+H+6Gzq7Jp@eisner.decus.org>c  a In article <8la77v$c0m@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes: I > Is there a way to run programs on VMS using the "java" command without a= > first having to jar -xf all the jar files that comprise it?i  G  Sure, I do this all the time.  Check your definition of classpath, thebG  full name of the class (inclusing the package name), and the format of   the .class files.  B  If you FTP the class (or jar, or zip) files from someplace else, :  you'll have to set file/attr=(rfm=stmlf,lrl:32767,rat:cr)  E  IMHO the JDK needs a lot of work to be better intergrated with VMS. wC  It's desrire to have everything stmlf needs to be removed at leastrG  for source files.  (They'll compile OK if they're not stmlf, but don't E  try to access them from jdb).  It also needs better understanding ofE>  ODS-5, but that seems to be inherrited from the C or C++ RTL.   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Jul 2000 16:41:28 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)2 Subject: Re: run java out of jar files, vs jar -xf, Message-ID: <8lhrjo$f6q@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  X In article <8lgvff$r1m@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>, "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes: > @ >"David Mathog" <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote in message' >news:8la77v$c0m@gap.cco.caltech.edu...tI >> Is there a way to run programs on VMS using the "java" command withoute> >> first having to jar -xf all the jar files that comprise it? >a >A construction like:  >a@ >java  -classpath 'f$trnlnm("CLASSPATH")':/app_dir/app.jar Class >o  I Ok, I see the solution - sort of.  There are 5 .jar files packed up into sL one .zip file.  Nothing I tried let me run out of that .zip file directly - J I guess it must hold .class files rather than .jar files for that to work.3 So I unpacked that .zip file into a directory, did:e     $ @sys$manager:java$setup.comiz   $ define classpath  "/sys$common/java/lib/JDK118_CLASSES.ZIP:.:CFG2CMD.JAR:EPS.JAR:EZWEBCON.JAR:JAVAMAN.JAR:SIMPLET.JAR"   $ java "EZWebCon"c  6 and it worked.  However, these two forms did not work:  G   $ define classpath  "/sys$common/java/lib/JDK118_CLASSES.ZIP:.:*.jar" A   $ define classpath  "/sys$common/java/lib/JDK118_CLASSES.ZIP:."o  D So it looks like you have to define all .jar files explicitly in theE classpath - there's no way to indicate "all .jar in this directory".    K Hmm, let's see if I can repack this into a functional .zip.  This is on an e
 ODS2 disk:     $ jar -xf  CFG2CMD.JAR   $ jar -xf  EPS.JAR   $ jar -xf  EZWEBCON.JARr   $ jar -xf  JAVAMAN.JAR   $ jar -xf  SIMPLET.JARC   $ zip/exclude=(*.jar,aaawherefrom.txt,test.zip) test.zip [...]*.* J   $ define classpath  "/sys$common/java/lib/JDK118_CLASSES.ZIP:.:test.zip"   $ java "EZWebCon"g  I Hey, it worked!  Oops, no it didn't - if I delete the .jar etc. files it t doesn't work any more.  K Be nice if the java program knew how to open .jar files stored inside .zip eL files.  Anyway, better to only have to unpack to 5 files rather than to 500.  M (By the way, EZWebCon is the program you use to upgrade the network cards on m! Genicom and Compaq LN* printers.)a   Thanks,d   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:52:34 -0500 / From: "Dwight Brooks" <dbrooks@prosoftauto.com>Y Subject: SYSINIT Error resolvede: Message-ID: <8lhs8l$1v5c$1@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com>  I The SYSINIT-E error that I posted in a previous thread has been resolved.$  F I wanted to make a backup of the disk so I could play with some of the SYSGEN settings.K I booted Standalone Backup V6.2 and did an image/init/noalias backup of theh disk to another identical disk.s The "new" disk booted fine.n/ I don't know why but it did so time to move on.o   Thanks to everyone that posted.  Dwight   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Jul 2000 17:41:58 GMT0 From: FAZEKAS Mihaly <michael@goliat.eik.bme.hu> Subject: tape problem (?)o, Message-ID: <8lhv56$8kt$1@goliat.eik.bme.hu>   I have 2 tape.
 1. is a tk50.n 2. is a Cipher (TU81E like).   on a tk50, i can do: 	init mua0: SZALAG 	mount mua0: SZALAGr 	copy *.* mua0:[]n   on a Cipher, i cannot do this.: If mount the Cipher's media with /foreign qualifier, i can> use backup (example: backup /log /verify *.* mua0:szalag.bck).  A When i use "init /era mub0: SZALAG" command on a Cipher, and when 0 detect the end of tape (EOT), the system messageF about:"SYSTEM-F-ENDOFTAPE, end of tape, cannot erase entrie volume..." on a tk50, not do this.L  5 Other (?): cannot make standalone backup on a Cipher.   2 What is wrong, or i don't understand evrything? :)/ (if you want, i can send more and more log :) )h   -- l  mailto:michael@goliat.eik.bme.hu Phone: 463-19660   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:23:26 +0200n2 From: Giles Watermeyer <Giles@WitsICAM.wits.ac.za> Subject: two questions.r; Message-ID: <62167214B0C4D311877E0090273F12419FF9@WITSICAM>t  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFF548.7111FB3C- Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1"m   Hi all,0  m' I have 2 questions for the group today.e  g First what I'm running...e  c- OpenVMS 6.2 on a Dec Alpha 4/255 1000 Series.u  n The first ?:  rK My server currently boots into a GUI mode.  How would I change this to bootD into a plain text console?  e
 The Second ?:   -J How do I setup the TimeZone information for South Africa (SAT = GMT+2:00)?  r2 Any and all help on this would be most appreciated    Many thanksP    Giles Watermeyer ICAM System Administratorg- University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg E e-mail: Giles@witsICAM.wits.ac.za <mailto:Giles@witsICAM.wits.ac.za>    t  /  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFF548.7111FB3Ci Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"P  > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>H <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">    < <META content="MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY>? <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=139101908-24072000>Hi r all,</SPAN></FONT></DIV># <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN i3 class=139101908-24072000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> O <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=139101908-24072000>I have 2 questions n( for the group today.</SPAN></FONT></DIV># <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN "3 class=139101908-24072000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>iK <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=139101908-24072000>First what I'm P running...</SPAN></FONT></DIV># <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN n3 class=139101908-24072000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>:Q <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=139101908-24072000>OpenVMS 6.2 on a Dec a, Alpha 4/255 1000 Series.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>cF <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=139101908-24072000>The first  ?:</SPAN></FONT></DIV># <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN  3 class=139101908-24072000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>dP <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=139101908-24072000>My server currently O boots into a GUI mode.&nbsp; How would I change this to boot into a plain text   console?</SPAN></FONT></DIV># <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN i3 class=139101908-24072000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>0G <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=139101908-24072000>The Second s ?:</SPAN></FONT></DIV># <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN  3 class=139101908-24072000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>lO <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=139101908-24072000>How do I setup the -K TimeZone information for South Africa (SAT = GMT+2:00)?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>c# <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN  3 class=139101908-24072000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>tP <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=139101908-24072000>Any and all help on 2 this would be most appreciated</SPAN></FONT></DIV># <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN l3 class=139101908-24072000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>:A <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=139101908-24072000>Many   thanks</SPAN></FONT></DIV># <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN o3 class=139101908-24072000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> B <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=139101908-24072000>Giles  Watermeyer</SPAN></FONT></DIV>H <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=139101908-24072000>ICAM System ! Administrator</SPAN></FONT></DIV>.N <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=139101908-24072000>University of the / Witwatersrand, Johannesburg</SPAN></FONT></DIV>jG <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=139101908-24072000>e-mail: <A  Y href="mailto:Giles@witsICAM.wits.ac.za">Giles@witsICAM.wits.ac.za</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV>s# <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN e3 class=139101908-24072000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>o  ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFF548.7111FB3C--a   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jul 2000 11:14:42 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>e Subject: Re: two questions.oH Message-ID: <y4puo3uby5.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  4 Giles Watermeyer <Giles@WitsICAM.wits.ac.za> writes:  M > My server currently boots into a GUI mode.  How would I change this to bootg > into a plain text console?  , Set the SYSGEN parameter WINDOW_SYSTEM to 0.  B And please cut out all the MIME and pseudo-HTLM crap when posting.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:13:09 +0200n2 From: Giles Watermeyer <Giles@WitsICAM.wits.ac.za> Subject: RE: two questions.n; Message-ID: <62167214B0C4D311877E0090273F12419FFA@WITSICAM>l   Many thanks,  F I take it, I run sysgen and "SET WINDOW_SYSTEM 0".  I hope that works.  $ And I apologise for the MIME crap.      Any ideas on the Timezone story?   Thanks   Giles/ Giles@WitsICAM.wits.ac.zaw     -----Original Message----- From: Jan Vorbrueggenr5 [mailto:jan@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de]  Sent: 24 July 2000 11:15 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn Subject: Re: two questions.i    4 Giles Watermeyer <Giles@WitsICAM.wits.ac.za> writes:  H > My server currently boots into a GUI mode.  How would I change this to boot > into a plain text console?  , Set the SYSGEN parameter WINDOW_SYSTEM to 0.  B And please cut out all the MIME and pseudo-HTLM crap when posting.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:52:02 +0200 > From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> Subject: Re: two questions.a2 Message-ID: <8lh710$rka$1@s2.feed.news.oleane.net>   for time zone adjusting :-" @sys$manager:utc$timezon_setup.com  2 please check if available on your platform/version   Jean-Franois MarchalP X9000 - LYON (FR)e      ? "Giles Watermeyer" <Giles@WitsICAM.wits.ac.za> wrote in messagew5 news:62167214B0C4D311877E0090273F12419FFA@WITSICAM...  > Many thanks, >aH > I take it, I run sysgen and "SET WINDOW_SYSTEM 0".  I hope that works. >e$ > And I apologise for the MIME crap. >n" > Any ideas on the Timezone story? >o > Thanks >n > Giles  > Giles@WitsICAM.wits.ac.za  >  >  > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan Vorbrueggen 7 > [mailto:jan@fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de]e > Sent: 24 July 2000 11:15 > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comf > Subject: Re: two questions.o >f >e6 > Giles Watermeyer <Giles@WitsICAM.wits.ac.za> writes: >lJ > > My server currently boots into a GUI mode.  How would I change this to > boot > > into a plain text console? >n. > Set the SYSGEN parameter WINDOW_SYSTEM to 0. >iD > And please cut out all the MIME and pseudo-HTLM crap when posting. >r > Jane >n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:09:20 -0700 / From: Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com>e Subject: UCX limitM Message-ID: <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213026FDE93@seantexch.unitedad.com>u  
 Help !!!!,L  I have a migrated to an alpha and only 50 people are able to get in. How do I raise the limit on uxc.      I get the error.  TERRY_S_#1$ telnet 10.100.10.232* %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 10.100.10.232: %TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host 10.100.10.232, port 23( -TELNET-I-ESCAPE, Escape character is ^]- %TELNET-E-INETERROR, Internet interface erroroC -SYSTEM-F-CONNECFAIL, connect to network object timed-out or failedt     TIAS Terry     5 *****************************************************     5 *****************************************************d4 Any views or opinions are solely those of the author) and do not necessarily represent those of  United Advertising Media.n5 ***************************************************** 4 The information transmitted is intended only for the1 person or entity to which it is addressed and maya3 contain confidential and/or privileged material. Ifn3 you are not the intended recipient of this message, . please do not read, copy, use or disclose this3 communication and notify the sender immediately. Ito0 should be noted that any review, retransmission,2 dissemination or other use of, or taking action in- reliance upon, this information by persons orf- entities other than the intended recipient isl prohibited.o5 *****************************************************  **   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:58:16 +0000u- From: ezzaoudi med <m.ezzaoudi@digitem.co.ma>y Subject: Re: UCX limit- Message-ID: <397C6798.3389BDC6@digitem.co.ma>i   hiC You can show your Telnet limit with : UCX>SHOW SERVICE TELNET /FULL. or UCX>SHOW COMt< If realy your limit is 50 , you can change it with a commandF similar to this : ucx> set (modify) com /limit .......  I don't remem= ber they rest but you can use the help !   By   Terry Marosites a =E9crit :i   > Help !!!!,F >  I have a migrated to an alpha and only 50 people are able to get i=	 n. How do  > I raise the limit on uxc.m >r > I get the error." > TERRY_S_#1$ telnet 10.100.10.232, > %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 10.100.10.232< > %TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host 10.100.10.232, port 23* > -TELNET-I-ESCAPE, Escape character is ^]/ > %TELNET-E-INETERROR, Internet interface erroreE > -SYSTEM-F-CONNECFAIL, connect to network object timed-out or failedt >  > TIAw > Terryh >w7 > *****************************************************k >i7 > *****************************************************y6 > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author+ > and do not necessarily represent those oft > United Advertising Media.a7 > *****************************************************s6 > The information transmitted is intended only for the3 > person or entity to which it is addressed and mayy5 > contain confidential and/or privileged material. Ife5 > you are not the intended recipient of this message, 0 > please do not read, copy, use or disclose this5 > communication and notify the sender immediately. ItE2 > should be noted that any review, retransmission,4 > dissemination or other use of, or taking action in/ > reliance upon, this information by persons oro/ > entities other than the intended recipient isg
 > prohibited.A7 > *****************************************************e > **   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:14:49 -0700'/ From: Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com>t Subject: RE: UCX limitM Message-ID: <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213026FDE95@seantexch.unitedad.com>C  # Thanks all , That is what I needed.n Thanks Again Terry    -----Original Message-----6 From: Terry Marosites [mailto:TMarosites@UNITEDAD.COM]# Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 8:09 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi Subject: UCX limit    
 Help !!!!,L  I have a migrated to an alpha and only 50 people are able to get in. How do I raise the limit on uxc.      I get the error.  TERRY_S_#1$ telnet 10.100.10.232* %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 10.100.10.232: %TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host 10.100.10.232, port 23( -TELNET-I-ESCAPE, Escape character is ^]- %TELNET-E-INETERROR, Internet interface error C -SYSTEM-F-CONNECFAIL, connect to network object timed-out or failed      TIA  Terry     5 *****************************************************0    5 *****************************************************e4 Any views or opinions are solely those of the author) and do not necessarily represent those ofg United Advertising Media.m5 *****************************************************a4 The information transmitted is intended only for the1 person or entity to which it is addressed and may 3 contain confidential and/or privileged material. Ifi3 you are not the intended recipient of this message,t. please do not read, copy, use or disclose this3 communication and notify the sender immediately. Ite0 should be noted that any review, retransmission,2 dissemination or other use of, or taking action in- reliance upon, this information by persons orI- entities other than the intended recipient ist prohibited. 5 *****************************************************  **   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:13:02 -0700m* From: "George Shouse" <USENET@Shouses.com> Subject: Re: UCX limit, Message-ID: <8lhpuk01kr7@enews2.newsguy.com>  : For UCX it is good to know about the SHOW SERVICE command:  ? $ UCX SHO SERV ! will show all of the services that are running.J $ UCX SHO SERV TELNET /FULL  ! will show you all about TELNET - notice the limit on about the 5th linea $ UCX HELP SET SERVICE /LIMITe       --) George Shouse      http://www.shouses.com.) -----------------------------------------g) Always A Fan of the World Champion Lakersm" Retire #99 and Hang the Banners!!!< "Terry Marosites" <TMarosites@unitedad.com> wrote in messageG news:1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213026FDE93@seantexch.unitedad.com...t > Help !!!!,K >  I have a migrated to an alpha and only 50 people are able to get in. How: do > I raise the limit on uxc.  >e >h > I get the error." > TERRY_S_#1$ telnet 10.100.10.232, > %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 10.100.10.232< > %TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host 10.100.10.232, port 23* > -TELNET-I-ESCAPE, Escape character is ^]/ > %TELNET-E-INETERROR, Internet interface erroreE > -SYSTEM-F-CONNECFAIL, connect to network object timed-out or failed  >y >o > TIAv > Terry1 >C >S7 > *****************************************************P >. >"7 > *****************************************************t6 > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author+ > and do not necessarily represent those of  > United Advertising Media.m7 > *****************************************************u6 > The information transmitted is intended only for the3 > person or entity to which it is addressed and mayr5 > contain confidential and/or privileged material. Ifa5 > you are not the intended recipient of this message,a0 > please do not read, copy, use or disclose this5 > communication and notify the sender immediately. Itx2 > should be noted that any review, retransmission,4 > dissemination or other use of, or taking action in/ > reliance upon, this information by persons or./ > entities other than the intended recipient isp
 > prohibited. 7 > *****************************************************m > ** >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:51:24 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> + Subject: Re: Undocumented commands in UCX ?p) Message-ID: <397BF57C.BEDD21B4@gtech.com>    "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote:i> > I have worked with UCX since release 2.8E (or was it 2.7E?).  
 2.0E maybe !?q   (there was no 2.7E or 2.8E)y   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:14:47 +0100:! From:  Tony Wright <tpw@ngat.com>  Subject: Re: Using CMS and NFSB Message-ID: <04E02AB064E0D211B24E0008C79F6A0E933EB6@mail.ngat.com>   > -----Original Message-----@ > From: mickalide_j@my-deja.com [mailto:mickalide_j@my-deja.com]) > Posted At: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 18:55o > Posted To: comp.os.vms! > Conversation: Using CMS and NFSa  > Subject: Re: Using CMS and NFS >  > D > In article <04E02AB064E0D211B24E0008C79F6A0E8E95F8@mail.ngat.com>,% >   Tony Wright <tpw@ngat.com> wrote:iH > > I have sucessfully mapped a disk from a 433Au onto a ds10. The point > of; > > this was to enable us to develop using one CMS library r > sitting on theE > > 433. Unfortunately when sittingat the DS10 and typing CMS SET LIB84 > > AUdisk:[wherethecmslibraryis] I get the messages > >kA > > %CMS-E-NOREF, error referencing audisk:[wherethecmslibraryis]uH > > -CMS-E-NOTCMSLIB, audisk:[wherethecmslibraryis] is not a CMS libraryD > > -RMS-E-COD, invalid or unsupported type field in XAB at 001AE8E4) > > %CMS-W-UNDEFLIB, library is undefinedy > >m. > > (AUDISK is a logical that point at dnfs5:) > >G& > > Is what I'm trying to do possible? > >e > >  >  >  >  > ; > The fix for the XAB problem is in the CMS 4.0  ECO-1 kit.t >  >  > -Jim-u >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.  >    Thanks Jim,  	The ECO worked as advertised.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:14:14 +0200 5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl>0  Subject: Re: Vax DNS help needed, Message-ID: <397BECC6.9892308@whitehouse.nl>   Beyonder wrote:r  F > When it asked for the DNS server, it wouldn't allow me to put in theH > same IP address, and would also not allow me to put the same hostname." > Saying they were already in use.  E That is strange. Normally it is no problem for a VMS system to be its - own dns server. Anyway you can set this with:t  , TCPIP> set name/system/server=xxx ! volatile- TCPIP> set config name/server=xxx ! permanentp  C > Where does VMS put the host and DNS config files, and can they bea > modified with EDIT, etc ?   H Normally in sys$specific:[tcpip$bind] and yes, you can edit these files.   Oswald   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:35:11 GMTt+ From: Chris Doran <chris_doran@my-deja.com>  Subject: Re: VAXAStation 3100e) Message-ID: <8lh64v$d8f$1@nnrp1.deja.com>a  ) In article <397B2115.7D05F424@telus.net>, ,   David Leinbach <leinbach@telus.net> wrote:H > I just received a VAXStation 3100 (model 38 I believe -- the model tagF > on the back says VS42A-AA) and I am wondering what I need to run it.H > All I received was the main box, a power cord, and a cord that has theH > RJ11 type connector with the offset tab (for lack of a better name) atE > one end an an RJ45 connector at the other.  As I understand it fromMA > Compaq's site, I can connect it to another computer to run fromc (would aF > Win2K machine work?) but they weren't clear on how other than saying+ > that I must change S3 to the up position.1  D RTFAQ at ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/dec-faq/vms See MISC1 for> cable. Several terminal emulators are available, e.g. CRT from= http://www.vandyke.com/ and KEA at http://www.attachmate.com/N    >  As well, I keep hearing aboutH > hobbyists licenses for OpenVMS, where can I get this and how much does > it cost?  Thanks   See VMS9 in FAQ.   Chris>    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:26:04 -0500a* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: Re: VAXAStation 3100N- Message-ID: <0033000001244995000002L052*@MHS>f  H =0AI just received a VAXStation 3100 (model 38 I believe -- the model t= agD on the back says VS42A-AA) and I am wondering what I need to run it.F All I received was the main box, a power cord, and a cord that has theF RJ11 type connector with the offset tab (for lack of a better name) atC one end an an RJ45 connector at the other.  As I understand it from/H Compaq's site, I can connect it to another computer to run from (would = a/D Win2K machine work?) but they weren't clear on how other than sayingH that I must change S3 to the up position.  As well, I keep hearing abou= t<F hobbyists licenses for OpenVMS, where can I get this and how much does it cost?  Thanks   Davida  =      Hobbyist licenses (http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist) aref@      available to DECUS members (http://www.decus.org) for free.        Media about $30.   D      I've put an Owner's Manual for the VAXstation 3100/76 online at  :      http://www.whiteice.com/~williamwebb/intro/DOC-i.html  A      95% of the stuff in there is exactly the same for the Mod 38c  $      Hope you find it to be helpful.        WWWebb=   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:34:10 -13000- From: John Reagan <reagan@hiyall.zko.dec.com><  Subject: Re: VMS Pascal question2 Message-ID: <397C29B2.3FA7FAD3@hiyall.zko.dec.com>   Michal Pakula wrote: >  > Hello,J > I have to write a Pascal program for VMS, similar to Midnight Commander,M > using SMG$ routines. I found a small example on how to use SMG$ routines in>M > Pascal but it covers only few functions and I can't find good documentationvI > on those routines. By "good documentation" I mean text where I can findTM > _exact_ description on using SMG$ functions in _Pascal_, not a general one.lE > I've already found general documentation, but it uses VMS datatypesVK > descriptions and it's not so easy to guess what Pascal types shoud I use.O   By 'small example', do you mean<  2 SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP.EXAMPLES.PASCAL]SMG_EXAMPLE.PAS  G by any chance?  If you would like to see that example enhanced or a new0A one written, just drop me a line.  I'm sure I can find 30 minutesu& somewhere to whip up a better example.  E SMG$CREATE_MENU does have a rather unique parameter for that array of ? character strings.  I remember having a fight with a former SMGeF developer many years ago to get that routine to process the descriptor. that Pascal would generate for that parameter.  ? As Larry hinted at, you probably need to use the %DESCR foreignsG parameter directive on the actual parameter since the formal definition D of SMG$CREATE_MENU is insufficient to generate the descriptor neededE (the definition is written in SDL and SDL doesn't have the ability to1, describe what SMG$CREATE_MENU really wants).  F As others have said, if you get stuck post a message and somebody willF help.  Pass along any suggestions to me and I'll see what I can do :-)     -- t John Reagans Compaq Pascal Project Leader   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 09:28:07 -0400a# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>u' Subject: Re: VT510 troubleshooting: ;-)o+ Message-ID: <397C4467.C5FD4FE5@hsc.vcu.edu>s   We had thata
 happen with a@
 Rainbow....  c smoke, tho, 
 not flames...u   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 02:07:29 -0400p* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>E Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/SL- Message-ID: <397BDD21.BA913ED8@tsoft-inc.com>-   Bill Todd wrote: > 7 > David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in messager) > news:397BAB26.1F260C5C@tsoft-inc.com...j >  > ...o > M > > The first point is to assume you are using Windows Explorer.  It isn't asd > bad asI > > some claim.  The problem is that there are multiple methods for doingl	 > things,i$ > > and each has potential problems. > M > I don't mind that very much:  you can after all just pick the ones you like  > and ignore the rest.   Choice is good!I  H > However, it's more of a pain to encounter multiple menus (in differentG > sub-trees of the menu structure) that do pretty much the same thing -nK > because invariably the thing you want to do is not an option on the firsts > few you try. > 0 >   For a copy, you can drag and drop.  It won'tM > > be long before you're sorry, and drop this method.  Sometimes your finger4 > willI > > slip, and the file gets lost in some directory you were passing over.  > K > But drag&drop *is* fairly convenient.  So use the *right* mouse button torL > drag, which will give you a menu of options (including both Copy and Move)N > to use when you get to your destination.  And the menu includes Cancel as an! > option should your finger slip.s  L I've seen copys and such done with the right mouse button.  It seemed fairlyM flexible, and much safer than drag and drop.  I just never started using thattK method.  And yes, I do still use drag and drop at times.  I seriously doubt0 anyone can deny that.d  F > (Of course, what the right mouse button does can vary even within MSN > applications - why am I not surprised?  For example, dragging a mail messageL > between folders in Outhouse Express with the right mouse button just Moves? > the message - no menu, no chance to recover from mistakes...)-  L Hey, why should the outhouse suddenly become inconsistant, by doing even one thing right?   <snip> > N > That's likely the most convenient way to do it.  But if you're just startingL > out, and haven't discovered the utility of the right mouse button, you canK > highlight the file and then click on the left-most ('File') option at the N > top of the menu to get a list of things you can do with it, including RenameE > (which then works by character replacement in the displayed name astK > described above).  But some things you might want to do aren't included -aE > e.g., Copy is an option under the next top-of-menu choice ('Edit').h   Just as the help suggests.  J > > Windows is a poor OS, but the windows explorer is something I wouldn't > mindM > > having on VMS.  At least some parts of it, and probably a few things dones > in a > > more VMS manner. > N > The main problems with point-and-click interfaces involve poorly thought-outJ > menu presentation and menu-tree design and/or inconsistency (see above).L > Done well, they not only make the machine approachable by novices, but canN > significantly speed up control by experts over command line interfaces - forM > the activities the P&C interface covers (but given sub-menu options and 100 K > MIPS or so to drive the screen faster than you can type commands, there'siK > not much that sub-menus can't cover - and the context-sensitive Help theynM > make possible can be very useful, not that Microsoft does a splendid job in  > this area...). > M > Which of course doesn't make command lines useless:  there's room for both.   P Well, I've used command line many years, and now I've used windoz explorer.  TheK graphical interface many times is quick and rather powerful.  Some will sayaJ 'DECwindows'.  Unfortunately, X-windows is not the winner of the 'windows'M contest.  I'm not 100% sure what I'd like to see, but it would be some of theaM windoz capabilities on VMS.  Something like Citrex, which is just a graphical K terminal driver for NT.  I do have a philosophical problem with using a VMS K system just to run a user interface.  But then, probably that's better thane. using a windoz system to run a user interface.  4 Dave, an old dog having trouble with the new tricks.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jul 2000 11:12:47 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>9E Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/SyH Message-ID: <y4snszuc1c.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  N All the replies actually missed the easiest method, assuming your body remainsL in its default configuration, with one hand on the mouse (ugh) and the other on the keyboard.  B To copy file(s) in the same directory, using the Windows Explorer:  J - highlight the file(s) using the mouse (for multiple files, use CTRL as aM   modifier for a second click to (de)select that file, or SHIFT to select allc5   those between this and the previously selected one)  - press CTRL/C (for copy)  - press CTRL/V (for paste)  M If you're moving files (e.g., to another directory), use CTRL/X in the secondbN step instead, and of course you may change directory in both cases between the second and third steps.p  / This is much faster than using the right-click.   I Drag'n'drop, IMNSHO, would only work if you could either split Explorer'sbL right half of the screen to contain two directories (no, I don't like havingK two copies of Explorer at the same time, that's another alternative), or ifIL it copied the NeXTStep feature of having the file browser display a shelf ofK user-settable (via dragging) directories in a seperate panel above the filee listing panels.    	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:47:36 +0010-% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au,E Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/Sc5 Message-ID: <01JS5O49DE8Y0024JL@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>7   This I think is from Bill Todd, N >> Which of course doesn't make command lines useless:  there's room for both.  & Yep, I 120% agree with this statement.   From David Froble,N >Well, I've used command line many years, and now I've used windoz explorer.   ThecL >graphical interface many times is quick and rather powerful.  Some will sayK >'DECwindows'.  Unfortunately, X-windows is not the winner of the 'windows' N >contest.  I'm not 100% sure what I'd like to see, but it would be some of theN >windoz capabilities on VMS.  Something like Citrex, which is just a graphicalL >terminal driver for NT.  I do have a philosophical problem with using a VMSL >system just to run a user interface.  But then, probably that's better than/ >using a windoz system to run a user interface.r  Q Regardless of who wins, my personal experience is much as Bill implied, room for b both.x  P Since I moved to DECwindows mail, I am more comfortable and can do more in that E than with character cell (but there are still some things I cannot - eQ send/foreign).  I have been in Adelaide intermittently for much of this year and eM only had access to my mail here (Sydney) from my son's hyperterm.  This only %Q gave me access to character cell and I was unable to use the windows pick option tM to effect what I wanted to delete all mail from a certain account, or with a eH certain subject line.  Character cell gave me first occurrence and then P continued in chronological mail order.  I only have a small disk on the machine Q I receive mail and I wanted to keep all my info-vax stuff until I could check it e for relevance.  K Other applications that I fluctuate between windows and character cell are -M DECset: CMS and DTM.  Some things I can do easily in one mode and others the cM other mode.  Horses for courses.  The point and click is not (yet?) powerful D& enough for some of my command queries.   *****@  N I've enjoyed reading the language of this thread.  Brian's description of the K "most wonderful OS in the world" are so reminiscent of how I would like to n8 describe it.  Several replies are also in the same vein.  % Oscar Wilde:  I wish I had said that.2* James Whistler: You will, Oscar, you will.   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,r
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australia    Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,s; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:21:06 +0100e& From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@compaq.com>E Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/Su* Message-ID: <397C34B2.FA7B726F@compaq.com>   Phil Howell wrote:  I > When you "copy" a file in this way, it really means "take a copy of thesI > contents of this file and store it in your clipboard". If you then do a . > "paste" it should create a copy of the file.  I (genuine) Question:  is this still the way to copy, say, a 2 Gbyte file ?e   The mind boggles.a  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd., (certainly not speaking on behalf of Compaq)   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:54:53 GMTg5 From: "Larry D Bohan, Jr" <LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com>tE Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/Se2 Message-ID: <9FV8OXopUrK4WYxdwUH+PFhRGDL=@4ax.com>  1 On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:11:25 +1000, "Phil Howell"u" <howellp@snowyhydro.com.au> wrote:  H >When you "copy" a file in this way, it really means "take a copy of theH >contents of this file and store it in your clipboard". If you then do a- >"paste" it should create a copy of the file.i >SL >If you are using NT workstation you should of course download a copy of DCLM >Lite from http://www.accelr8.com/dclllic.html then you will be able to enters >such intuitive commands as & >copy /log /confirm <infile> <outfile> >Phily  @ I hate the BillyBox stuff as much as anyone here (probably more)9 but if you have to use it, another option, a more useful e cmd-line copy tool, is:i  h http://resourcelink.mspress.microsoft.com/reslink/nt40/toolbox/default.asp?filechosen=tools/robocopy.htm  : where I work, even the PC developers who'd cut their teethA on billyboxes, and never used anything else, seems the 1st thing  > they do is install some sort of CLI shell,  ie the MKS Toolset  * Such is life, when you're forced to use a 1 consumer-oriented  psuedo-O/S.  Stuff that ought c! to be included by default, isn't.    C:\>robocopy /???-L ----------------------------------------------------------------------------6 ROBOCOPY v 1.95 : Robust File Copy for Windows NT : by kevina@microsoft.comL ----------------------------------------------------------------------------  " Started : Mon Jul 24 07:40:26 2000  > Usage : ROBOCOPY source destination [file [file]...] [options]  ? source : Source Directory (drive:\path or \\server\share\path).*D destination : Destination Dir  (drive:\path or \\server\share\path).< file : File(s) to copy  (names/wildcards: default is "*.*").   Copy options:     - /S : copy Subdirectories, but not empty ones.3/ /E : copy subdirectories, including Empty ones.eA /LEV:n : only copy the top n LEVels of the source directory tree.   $ /Z : copy files in restartable mode.  > /SEC : copy SECurity info (both source and dest must be NTFS).7 /SECFIX : FIX SECurity info on existing files and dirs.s7 /TIMFIX : FIX TIMestamps on existing destination files.e  5 /MOV : MOVe files (delete from source after copying).o? /MOVE : MOVE files AND dirs (delete from source after copying).   ? /PURGE : delete dest files/dirs that no longer exist in source.E> /MIR : MIRror a directory tree (equivalent to /E plus /PURGE).  < /A+:[R][A][S][H] : add the given Attributes to copied files.A /A-:[R][A][S][H] : remove the given Attributes from copied files.   C /CREATE : CREATE directory tree structure + zero-length files only. > /FAT : create destination files using 8.3 FAT file names only.   File Selection:       3 /A : copy only files with the Archive attribute set = /M : like /A, but remove Archive attribute from source files.o7 /IA:[R][A][S][H] : Include only files with some of the g)                     given Attributes set.*7 /XA:[R][A][S][H] : eXclude files with any of the given i#                     Attributes set.i  1 /XF file [file]... : eXclude Files matching givend names/paths/wildcards.D /XD dirs [dirs]... : eXclude Directories matching given names/paths.  8 /XC | /XN | /XO : eXclude Changed | Newer | Older files.2 /XX | /XL : eXclude eXtra | Lonely files and dirs. /IS : Include Same files.e  ? /MAX:n : MAXimum file size - exclude files bigger than n bytes.o@ /MIN:n : MINimum file size - exclude files smaller than n bytes.  D /MAXAGE:n : MAXimum file AGE - exclude files older than n days/date.D /MINAGE:n : MINimum file AGE - exclude files newer than n days/date.6 (If n < 1900 then n = n days, else n = YYYYMMDD date).  : Retry Options: /R:n : number of Retries on failed copies:  default is 1 million.1  8 /W:n : Wait time between retries: default is 30 seconds.> /REG : Save /R:n and /W:n in the Registry as default settings.: /TBD : wait for sharenames To Be Defined (retry error 67).   Logging Options: A; /L : List only - don't copy, timestamp or delete any files.b5 /X : report all eXtra files, not just those selected. 3 /V : produce Verbose output, showing skipped files.   + /NP : No Progress - don't display % copied. 6 /ETA : show Estimated Time of Arrival of copied files.  ? /LOG:file : output status to LOG file (overwrite existing log).0@ /LOG+:file : output status to LOG file (append to existing log).   C:\>   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:23:48 GMTn5 From: "Larry D Bohan, Jr" <LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com>eE Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S*2 Message-ID: <slh8OV2lS2c3f4GbYo4vIUvQ2aEI@4ax.com>  E On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:09:40 -0400, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>a wrote:  M >The main problems with point-and-click interfaces involve poorly thought-out*I >menu presentation and menu-tree design and/or inconsistency (see above).eK >Done well, they not only make the machine approachable by novices, but can H >significantly speed up control by experts over command line interfaces   0 "..significantly speed up control by experts..."  ) Can you name a few examples? (seriously).t   I mean, consider VMS mail,  1  MAIL> DIR/SINCE=YEST/BEF="-2-"/FROM=FOO/SUBJ=BARu  2 on a Billy Box mail client, this takes some doing.2 (certainly not done a via one simple dialogue box)0 and to repeat the query, one (typically) has to & fill in all the boxes/params again.     : this is a good illustration methinks, of poor UI design.    ( to be useful, the dialogue boxes should 5 default to most recently used values, and one should h4 be able to do, say, a repeated DIR operation without4 passing through the same dialogue box over and over.  3 on VMS, I could either up-arrow (cmd-line recall), C3 and/or save it as keypad definition. One keystroke.L$ No mouse clicks, no menus/dialogues.5 or I could do the same action unattended, in a scriptr .S3 now, there are some notions of keystroke recording,-' and playbacks with the Windoze GUI's.     % perhaps this is what you had in mind?d    L >Which of course doesn't make command lines useless:  there's room for both. >- bill3    Ayep.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:02:54 -0600h- From: Lorin Ricker <Lorin.Ricker@t-netix.com>rE Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/SeI Message-ID: <418E68E524A8D311ACCE00508B78866A7680DA@exchange.t-netix.com>g  6 > If you are using NT workstation you should of course" > download a copy of DCL Lite from) > http://www.accelr8.com/dclllic.html ...-  L As an alternative to "free" or shareware (and as a believer in "you get whatK you pay for" ;-), you can also check out this most-excellent (pun intended)*K XLNT commercial product, which puts "DCL" on *any* kind of billybox Windoze* 95/98/NT system.      http://www.advsyscon.com/  K Look for XLNT under their Windows 2000/NT products... I've not had a chanceoK to do any sort of comparisons of XLNT with the afore-mentioned DCLlite from*C Accelr8, but I *do* use XLNT routinely, including it's command-file G capability!  XLNT is a no-holds-barred implementation of DCL within theiK brain-dead confines of Windows (there are just a few base concepts missing,hI like logical names <sigh>, which Windoze hasn't a clue of a foundation totL build on...).  Yes, this one costs money, but to me, it's worth every penny.  I Personally, I've tried using Windoze command boxes time and time again...iJ every time I see a command prompt, my fingers take over my brain so that IF keep stumbling over natural and functional DCL-isms, to my and WindozeK mutual befuddlement.  XLNT cures all of that, and adds a ton of value to an2( otherwise marginally useful picture-box.  J Just my 2-cents worth... I'm just an XLNT enthusiast, not a paid promoter!   Lorin Ricker   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:39:14 GMTe= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)?E Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S-0 Message-ID: <009ED8FD.04F3D391@SendSpamHere.ORG>  y In article <418E68E524A8D311ACCE00508B78866A7680DA@exchange.t-netix.com>, Lorin Ricker <Lorin.Ricker@t-netix.com> writes:67 >> If you are using NT workstation you should of course # >> download a copy of DCL Lite fromt* >> http://www.accelr8.com/dclllic.html ... >yM >As an alternative to "free" or shareware (and as a believer in "you get what L >you pay for" ;-), you can also check out this most-excellent (pun intended)L >XLNT commercial product, which puts "DCL" on *any* kind of billybox Windoze >95/98/NT system.f >y >   http://www.advsyscon.com/o >dL >Look for XLNT under their Windows 2000/NT products... I've not had a chanceL >to do any sort of comparisons of XLNT with the afore-mentioned DCLlite fromD >Accelr8, but I *do* use XLNT routinely, including it's command-fileH >capability!  XLNT is a no-holds-barred implementation of DCL within theL >brain-dead confines of Windows (there are just a few base concepts missing,J >like logical names <sigh>, which Windoze hasn't a clue of a foundation toM >build on...).  Yes, this one costs money, but to me, it's worth every penny.t  F It'd be a very cold day in hell before I'd install anything from them!   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMu   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.411 ************************