1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 25 Jul 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 412       Contents:" Re: ALLIN1, Message Router problem8 Availabilty of a UCX Service & Alias connections over IP8 Availabilty of a UCX Service & Alias connections over IP8 Availabilty of a UCX Service & Alias connections over IP8 Availabilty of a UCX Service & Alias connections over IP8 Availabilty of a UCX Service & Alias connections over IP8 Availabilty of a UCX Service & Alias connections over IP< Re: Availabilty of a UCX Service & Alias connections over IP< Re: Availabilty of a UCX Service & Alias connections over IP Re: Bootproblem C0080 0000.5000  Re: CETS2000 - Sessions?) CETS2000 Registration is open and working  DECW TCP Keepalive' Re: determining free disk space via DCL . Re: Extensible Versatile Editor setup question GS140 write I/O wall lynx, ssl and mmk ( Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com( Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com( Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com( Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com! Re: OpenVMS 7.2 on DEC Multia/UDB ! Re: OpenVMS 7.2 on DEC Multia/UDB ! Re: OpenVMS 7.2 on DEC Multia/UDB ! Re: OpenVMS 7.2 on DEC Multia/UDB  Re: PGPi and OpenVMS Re: PGPi and OpenVMS Re: PGPi and OpenVMS Re: Plain Kermit?  Re: Q: Looking for an old game. . Question about OSMS optical storage on old Vax/ Re: Re[2]: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com / Re: Re[2]: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com / Re: Re[2]: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com  Shareable images Re: Shareable images Re: Shareable images Re: Shareable images Stirrings in the undergrowth? ! Re: Stirrings in the undergrowth? ! Re: Stirrings in the undergrowth? ! Re: Stirrings in the undergrowth? ! Re: Stirrings in the undergrowth? ! Re: Stirrings in the undergrowth?  Re: SYSINIT Error resolved UCX and TCPWATCH Re: UCX and TCPWATCH" Re: Undocumented commands in UCX ? Re: VAXAStation 3100 VMS File Manager VMS mail -> Unix mail  VMS mail -> Unix mail  Re: VMS mail -> Unix mail < Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S< Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S< Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S< Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S< Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S< Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/SL Re: What graphics cards are supported by OpenVMS on a AlphaServer 400 4/233?K Re: What graphics cards are supported by OpenVMS on a AlphaServer 4004/233? 3 Re: Where can I get older version of Apache for VMS 3 Re: Where can I get older version of Apache for VMS   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 01:14:40 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> + Subject: Re: ALLIN1, Message Router problem , Message-ID: <397D2233.65F460DC@videotron.ca>   awrycroft001@my-deja.com wrote: J > ----------------------------------------Log starts here----------------- > -------------------------  > Fetcher perfomance > % > 21-JUL-2000 02:42:36     'fetcher3' G >   %EMD-E-FETCHERR, Error fetching message - 0001C00A returned from MR   N 0001C00A is not a Message router specific error code. Coincidentally, VMS uses9 that error number for "RMS-W-CRE, ACP file create failed"   + > 21-JUL-2000 14:52:32     'Default Sender' & >   %RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed  - Sounds like the sender has a similar problem.     2 > We have run all the necessary house keeping jobs< > We have purged the hard disks to create space to no avail.    D Do a directory for any file with version numbers greater then 32000.  N Also, generally, these jobs (fetcher and sender) run under the ALLIN1 account.N Upon extracting messages from MR and upon creating MR messages, it will createL temporary files in the login directory of the ALLIN1 account. (as opposed to$ the ALLIN1 software directory tree).  L Are disk quotas enabled on your system ? (You should give the ALLIN1 account EXQUOTA privilege if so).   A You may also wish to look at the [MB$.MR.WRK]MRLOG_<node>.LOG and  MRLOG_<node>.INF files. F MC MRMAN SUSPEND BACKUP/IGNORE=INTERLOCK [MB$.MR.WRK]MRLOG_<node>.LOG F temp.log   will safely get you a copy of the file without impacting or  jeoperdizing your mail delivery)  D the .INF file format documentation is in the Message Router manuals.  L You may wish to log in using the same username as is used to run the fetcher@ and sender jobs and try to create files in various directories.   N You can also use the ALLIN1 menus (in the SM menu tree) to dynamically get the4 sender and fetchers to start more detailed logging).   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:34:29 +0100 3 From: "Jefferson Humber" <matrix01@globalnet.co.uk> A Subject: Availabilty of a UCX Service & Alias connections over IP # Message-ID: <8licuv$4lt$1@gxsn.com>   C This may sound like a bizarre request, but does anybody know if the  following is possible ???   H What we need to achieve is determine whether a UCX Service (Polyserver -? Compuware Uniface) is enabled on one of our clustered nodes ???   K What we are planning to do is only have one of the two nodes in the cluster L running the open Oracle Rdb database , and have users logging into the alias  over IP through the UCX service.  K The plan is to have the Polyserver service enabled on only one of the nodes L for load balancing reasons (They only seem to log into the impersonator nodeK anyway $ UCX SHOW INTERFACE / CLUSTER ).  Does anybody know how to make the @ users attach to the other node under UCX 4.2 out of interest ???  K Is there a way for VMS to only log users into the node where the Polyserver K service running, when pointing them to the alias ???  i.e Perform some kind 0 of check on each node before logging them in ???    J Below is what we are currently running.  With Node1 being the Impersonator/ node, the users always seem to log into there ?   $ Node0 (Alias)        100.200.100.200H Node1                    100.200.100.201    (Impersonator)    Polyserver% service ENABLED    /    Database OPEN ( Node2                    100.200.100.2020 Polyserver service ENABLED    /    Database OPEN    I What we are proposing is the following;  Here users will still connect to L Node1, since it is still the impersonator, but what if it wasn't ???  Can weI reassign this somehow ???  And also can you get it to check the status of A the service, and only connect to the node where it is running ???   $ Node0 (Alias)        100.200.100.200H Node1                    100.200.100.201    (Impersonator)    Polyserver% service ENABLED    /    Database OPEN ( Node2                    100.200.100.2022 Polyserver service DISABLED   /    Database CLOSED      B If I haven't confused anybody too much, does anybody know how ????  2 Thanks in advance for anybody who can help me out,   Cheers,    Jeff   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:21:10 +0100 3 From: "Jefferson Humber" <matrix01@globalnet.co.uk> A Subject: Availabilty of a UCX Service & Alias connections over IP # Message-ID: <8lic0r$3t2$1@gxsn.com>   C This may sound like a bizarre request, but does anybody know if the  following is possible ???   H What we need to achieve is determine whether a UCX Service (Polyserver -? Compuware Uniface) is enabled on one of our clustered nodes ???   K What we are planning to do is only have one of the two nodes in the cluster L running the open Oracle Rdb database , and have users logging into the alias  over IP through the UCX service.  K The plan is to have the Polyserver service enabled on only one of the nodes L for load balancing reasons (They only seem to log into the impersonator nodeK anyway $ UCX SHOW INTERFACE / CLUSTER ).  Does anybody know how to make the @ users attach to the other node under UCX 4.2 out of interest ???  K Is there a way for VMS to only log users into the node where the Polyserver K service running, when pointing them to the alias ???  i.e Perform some kind 0 of check on each node before logging them in ???    J Below is what we are currently running.  With Node1 being the Impersonator/ node, the users always seem to log into there ?   $ Node0 (Alias)        100.200.100.200H Node1                    100.200.100.201    (Impersonator)    Polyserver% service ENABLED    /    Database OPEN ( Node2                    100.200.100.2020 Polyserver service ENABLED    /    Database OPEN    I What we are proposing is the following;  Here users will still connect to L Node1, since it is still the impersonator, but what if it wasn't ???  Can weI reassign this somehow ???  And also can you get it to check the status of A the service, and only connect to the node where it is running ???   $ Node0 (Alias)        100.200.100.200H Node1                    100.200.100.201    (Impersonator)    Polyserver% service ENABLED    /    Database OPEN ( Node2                    100.200.100.2022 Polyserver service DISABLED   /    Database CLOSED      B If I haven't confused anybody too much, does anybody know how ????  2 Thanks in advance for anybody who can help me out,   Cheers,    Jeff   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:21:10 +0100 3 From: "Jefferson Humber" <matrix01@globalnet.co.uk> A Subject: Availabilty of a UCX Service & Alias connections over IP # Message-ID: <8lic2o$3uq$1@gxsn.com>   C This may sound like a bizarre request, but does anybody know if the  following is possible ???   H What we need to achieve is determine whether a UCX Service (Polyserver -? Compuware Uniface) is enabled on one of our clustered nodes ???   K What we are planning to do is only have one of the two nodes in the cluster L running the open Oracle Rdb database , and have users logging into the alias  over IP through the UCX service.  K The plan is to have the Polyserver service enabled on only one of the nodes L for load balancing reasons (They only seem to log into the impersonator nodeK anyway $ UCX SHOW INTERFACE / CLUSTER ).  Does anybody know how to make the @ users attach to the other node under UCX 4.2 out of interest ???  K Is there a way for VMS to only log users into the node where the Polyserver K service running, when pointing them to the alias ???  i.e Perform some kind 0 of check on each node before logging them in ???    J Below is what we are currently running.  With Node1 being the Impersonator/ node, the users always seem to log into there ?   $ Node0 (Alias)        100.200.100.200H Node1                    100.200.100.201    (Impersonator)    Polyserver% service ENABLED    /    Database OPEN ( Node2                    100.200.100.2020 Polyserver service ENABLED    /    Database OPEN    I What we are proposing is the following;  Here users will still connect to L Node1, since it is still the impersonator, but what if it wasn't ???  Can weI reassign this somehow ???  And also can you get it to check the status of A the service, and only connect to the node where it is running ???   $ Node0 (Alias)        100.200.100.200H Node1                    100.200.100.201    (Impersonator)    Polyserver% service ENABLED    /    Database OPEN ( Node2                    100.200.100.2022 Polyserver service DISABLED   /    Database CLOSED      B If I haven't confused anybody too much, does anybody know how ????  2 Thanks in advance for anybody who can help me out,   Cheers,    Jeff   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:23:18 +0100 3 From: "Jefferson Humber" <matrix01@globalnet.co.uk> A Subject: Availabilty of a UCX Service & Alias connections over IP # Message-ID: <8lic46$3vv$1@gxsn.com>   C This may sound like a bizarre request, but does anybody know if the  following is possible ???   H What we need to achieve is determine whether a UCX Service (Polyserver -? Compuware Uniface) is enabled on one of our clustered nodes ???   K What we are planning to do is only have one of the two nodes in the cluster L running the open Oracle Rdb database , and have users logging into the alias  over IP through the UCX service.  K The plan is to have the Polyserver service enabled on only one of the nodes L for load balancing reasons (They only seem to log into the impersonator nodeK anyway $ UCX SHOW INTERFACE / CLUSTER ).  Does anybody know how to make the @ users attach to the other node under UCX 4.2 out of interest ???  K Is there a way for VMS to only log users into the node where the Polyserver K service running, when pointing them to the alias ???  i.e Perform some kind 0 of check on each node before logging them in ???    J Below is what we are currently running.  With Node1 being the Impersonator/ node, the users always seem to log into there ?   $ Node0 (Alias)        100.200.100.200H Node1                    100.200.100.201    (Impersonator)    Polyserver% service ENABLED    /    Database OPEN ( Node2                    100.200.100.2020 Polyserver service ENABLED    /    Database OPEN    I What we are proposing is the following;  Here users will still connect to L Node1, since it is still the impersonator, but what if it wasn't ???  Can weI reassign this somehow ???  And also can you get it to check the status of A the service, and only connect to the node where it is running ???   $ Node0 (Alias)        100.200.100.200H Node1                    100.200.100.201    (Impersonator)    Polyserver% service ENABLED    /    Database OPEN ( Node2                    100.200.100.2022 Polyserver service DISABLED   /    Database CLOSED      B If I haven't confused anybody too much, does anybody know how ????  2 Thanks in advance for anybody who can help me out,   Cheers,    Jeff   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:23:18 +0100 3 From: "Jefferson Humber" <matrix01@globalnet.co.uk> A Subject: Availabilty of a UCX Service & Alias connections over IP # Message-ID: <8lic7g$92f$1@gxsn.com>   C This may sound like a bizarre request, but does anybody know if the  following is possible ???   H What we need to achieve is determine whether a UCX Service (Polyserver -? Compuware Uniface) is enabled on one of our clustered nodes ???   K What we are planning to do is only have one of the two nodes in the cluster L running the open Oracle Rdb database , and have users logging into the alias  over IP through the UCX service.  K The plan is to have the Polyserver service enabled on only one of the nodes L for load balancing reasons (They only seem to log into the impersonator nodeK anyway $ UCX SHOW INTERFACE / CLUSTER ).  Does anybody know how to make the @ users attach to the other node under UCX 4.2 out of interest ???  K Is there a way for VMS to only log users into the node where the Polyserver K service running, when pointing them to the alias ???  i.e Perform some kind 0 of check on each node before logging them in ???    J Below is what we are currently running.  With Node1 being the Impersonator/ node, the users always seem to log into there ?   $ Node0 (Alias)        100.200.100.200H Node1                    100.200.100.201    (Impersonator)    Polyserver% service ENABLED    /    Database OPEN ( Node2                    100.200.100.2020 Polyserver service ENABLED    /    Database OPEN    I What we are proposing is the following;  Here users will still connect to L Node1, since it is still the impersonator, but what if it wasn't ???  Can weI reassign this somehow ???  And also can you get it to check the status of A the service, and only connect to the node where it is running ???   $ Node0 (Alias)        100.200.100.200H Node1                    100.200.100.201    (Impersonator)    Polyserver% service ENABLED    /    Database OPEN ( Node2                    100.200.100.2022 Polyserver service DISABLED   /    Database CLOSED      B If I haven't confused anybody too much, does anybody know how ????  2 Thanks in advance for anybody who can help me out,   Cheers,    Jeff   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:33:35 +0100 3 From: "Jefferson Humber" <matrix01@globalnet.co.uk> A Subject: Availabilty of a UCX Service & Alias connections over IP # Message-ID: <8licnf$imm$1@gxsn.com>   C This may sound like a bizarre request, but does anybody know if the  following is possible ???   H What we need to achieve is determine whether a UCX Service (Polyserver -? Compuware Uniface) is enabled on one of our clustered nodes ???   K What we are planning to do is only have one of the two nodes in the cluster L running the open Oracle Rdb database , and have users logging into the alias  over IP through the UCX service.  K The plan is to have the Polyserver service enabled on only one of the nodeseL for load balancing reasons (They only seem to log into the impersonator nodeK anyway $ UCX SHOW INTERFACE / CLUSTER ).  Does anybody know how to make thei@ users attach to the other node under UCX 4.2 out of interest ???  K Is there a way for VMS to only log users into the node where the PolyserverPK service running, when pointing them to the alias ???  i.e Perform some kindr0 of check on each node before logging them in ???    J Below is what we are currently running.  With Node1 being the Impersonator/ node, the users always seem to log into there ?   $ Node0 (Alias)        100.200.100.200H Node1                    100.200.100.201    (Impersonator)    Polyserver% service ENABLED    /    Database OPEN.( Node2                    100.200.100.2020 Polyserver service ENABLED    /    Database OPEN    I What we are proposing is the following;  Here users will still connect toOL Node1, since it is still the impersonator, but what if it wasn't ???  Can weI reassign this somehow ???  And also can you get it to check the status of A the service, and only connect to the node where it is running ???C  $ Node0 (Alias)        100.200.100.200H Node1                    100.200.100.201    (Impersonator)    Polyserver% service ENABLED    /    Database OPENa( Node2                    100.200.100.2022 Polyserver service DISABLED   /    Database CLOSED      B If I haven't confused anybody too much, does anybody know how ????  2 Thanks in advance for anybody who can help me out,   Cheers,I   Jeff   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:32:48 +0100 . From: "Anonymous" <DirkDiggler@totalise.co.uk>E Subject: Re: Availabilty of a UCX Service & Alias connections over IPm# Message-ID: <8lig6i$76v$1@gxsn.com>   # So sorry about the repeat sendings.F  K My Outlook Express technically hasn't sent the original message since it iswL still in my 'Outbox'...... This sort out thing wouldn't happen running under OpenVMS !!!!    Apologies please don't flame me,   Jeff> "Jefferson Humber" <matrix01@globalnet.co.uk> wrote in message news:8licnf$imm$1@gxsn.com...aE > This may sound like a bizarre request, but does anybody know if theh > following is possible ???e >yJ > What we need to achieve is determine whether a UCX Service (Polyserver -A > Compuware Uniface) is enabled on one of our clustered nodes ???  > E > What we are planning to do is only have one of the two nodes in the  clusteruH > running the open Oracle Rdb database , and have users logging into the aliasu" > over IP through the UCX service. >eG > The plan is to have the Polyserver service enabled on only one of thec nodeseI > for load balancing reasons (They only seem to log into the impersonator- nodeI > anyway $ UCX SHOW INTERFACE / CLUSTER ).  Does anybody know how to make6 the'B > users attach to the other node under UCX 4.2 out of interest ??? >rB > Is there a way for VMS to only log users into the node where the
 PolyserverH > service running, when pointing them to the alias ???  i.e Perform some kind2 > of check on each node before logging them in ??? >C > L > Below is what we are currently running.  With Node1 being the Impersonator1 > node, the users always seem to log into there ?  >e& > Node0 (Alias)        100.200.100.200J > Node1                    100.200.100.201    (Impersonator)    Polyserver' > service ENABLED    /    Database OPENj* > Node2                    100.200.100.2022 > Polyserver service ENABLED    /    Database OPEN >r >iK > What we are proposing is the following;  Here users will still connect to K > Node1, since it is still the impersonator, but what if it wasn't ???  Cani weK > reassign this somehow ???  And also can you get it to check the status ofrC > the service, and only connect to the node where it is running ???G >o& > Node0 (Alias)        100.200.100.200J > Node1                    100.200.100.201    (Impersonator)    Polyserver' > service ENABLED    /    Database OPENf* > Node2                    100.200.100.2024 > Polyserver service DISABLED   /    Database CLOSED >n >e >sD > If I haven't confused anybody too much, does anybody know how ???? > 4 > Thanks in advance for anybody who can help me out, >e	 > Cheers,n >r > Jeff >o >s >  >o >a >l >u   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:28:01 -0500d7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>-E Subject: Re: Availabilty of a UCX Service & Alias connections over IPf, Message-ID: <397CED21.DFD335C@earthlink.net>   Anonymous wrote: > % > So sorry about the repeat sendings.  > M > My Outlook Express technically hasn't sent the original message since it istN > still in my 'Outbox'...... This sort out thing wouldn't happen running under > OpenVMS !!!! > " > Apologies please don't flame me,   Oh, we won't flame YOU...o  G ...BUT: "BG shove-ware" strikes again (I saw that somewhere and I likedn it).   -- n David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:12:07 -0500r7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> ( Subject: Re: Bootproblem C0080 0000.5000- Message-ID: <397CE967.71810A15@earthlink.net>h   Juergen Kortgen wrote: >  > Hello, > E > after a power outage, my Microvax 3100/20 with VMS5.5-2 won't boot.eE > After looking for infos, "C" means an serial line controller error. E > Console booting is not possible and i am not able to press "sh dev"? > fullyo- > (cannot press "D" :-). Any "TEST" command ?  > B > Does anyone have informations about this message C0080 0000.5000( > and how to repair/react to this error?  G Sounds like your tube (VT?) got zapped. If the message has a single "?"eG in front of it, youy should still be able to boot, once you resolve the0 terminal problem.r   -- A David J. Dachteras dba DJE Systemsw http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:45:39 -0400 & From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc>! Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Sessions? 2 Message-ID: <8lirga$guv$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>  H Speakers will begin getting session acceptance notices in about 2 weeks.5 This will include the no fee VIP registration code...    --     Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.ccrE =====================================================================nB "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message' news:3973C49A.45B9C68C@earthlink.net...  > Folks, >-H > Has anyone heard about which sessions have been accepted for CETS2000? >JI > Last year, we knew by the end of June (maybe earlier) what was going on H > so speakers had plenty of time to prepare. CETS2000 is a month earlier7 > than San Diego, but we've yet to hear about sessions.d >n@ > Time grows short rather quickly - when will we hear something? >d > Does anyone know?X >r > -- > David J. Dachterar > dba DJE Systemse > http://www.djesys.com/ >e< > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:55:50 -0400 7 From: "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com>e2 Subject: CETS2000 Registration is open and working2 Message-ID: <8lis47$k10$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>  1 www.CETS2000.com Registration is open and workingL   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 02:12:12 GMTo* From: David Warren <david.warren@home.com> Subject: DECW TCP Keepaliveg( Message-ID: <397CBBC0.C93F1515@home.com>  H Is there a way to automatically enable TCP keepalive for DECWindows over TCP, or even for TCP globally?  E I'm trying to run X through a NAT firewall (Firewall-1).  Problem is,oF applications not in focus time out after around 15 minutes.  This is aF major problem if the app is the session manager or the decterm running the application.  
 Any ideas?    (VS1 DWARREN) $ ucx show version  7   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS VAX Version V5.0A2.   on a VAXstation 4000-90 running OpenVMS V7.1  C   (Motif version I don't know, or more precisely, don't know how toc find.)   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:29:47 GMT % From: dpm@myths.com (David P. Murphy)a0 Subject: Re: determining free disk space via DCL/ Message-ID: <snpdabk23j1161@news.supernews.com>u   operagost@my-deja.com wrote:H > Is there a lexical or something that I can use to determine free space2 > on a disk? The problem is that, using VMS 5.5-2   A wow.  you could surf to http://www.myths.com/~dpm/vms/diskusage/ D; and grab the three command procedures therein.  they shouldn* work on that release; if not, let me know.   sample output:   ENG108$ freeI                           Megs      Megs      Megs  Percent               I                 Disk     Total      Used      Free     Free  Volume      gI       --------------   -------   -------   -------  -------  ------------ I      _ENG108$DKC300:      1001       879       122   12.19%  ALPHANDSS   aI        _ENG108$DKD0:      2007      1242       764   38.07%  DATA        hI     (bound set of 3)      6021      5817       203    3.37%  PROJDISK    pI      _ENG108$DKD200:      1001       834       166   16.58%  DISK         I      _ENG108$DKD500:      4091      3622       469   11.45%  USERDISK    hI       --------------   -------   -------   -------  -------  ------------ I               Totals     14122     12396      1725   12.21%              l ENG108$ free /membersoI                           Megs      Megs      Megs  Percent              oI                 Disk     Total      Used      Free     Free  Volume      mI       --------------   -------   -------   -------  -------  ------------ I      _ENG108$DKC300:      1001       879       122   12.19%  ALPHANDSS   eI        _ENG108$DKD0:      2007      1242       764   38.07%  DATA        kI     (bound set of 3)      6021      5817       203    3.37%  PROJDISK    eI      _ENG108$DKD100:      2007      2005         2    0.09% +PROJ1        I      _ENG108$DKD300:      2007      1906       100    5.01% +PROJ3       oI      _ENG108$DKD600:      2007      1906       100    5.01% +PROJ6       vI      _ENG108$DKD200:      1001       834       166   16.58%  DISK        2I      _ENG108$DKD500:      4091      3622       469   11.45%  USERDISK    nI       --------------   -------   -------   -------  -------  ------------sI               Totals     14122     12396      1725   12.21%              e ENG108$ free /blocks /alleI                         Blocks    Blocks    Blocks  Percent              rI                 Disk     Total      Used      Free     Free  Volume       I       --------------   -------   -------   -------  -------  ------------ I      _ENG108$DKC300:   2050860   1800366    250494   12.19%  ALPHANDSS   rH      _ENG108$DKC400:                                         not mountedI        _ENG108$DKD0:   4110480   2544712   1565768   38.07%  DATA        hI     (bound set of 3)  12331440  11914912    416528    3.37%  PROJDISK     I      _ENG108$DKD200:   2050860   1709868    340992   16.58%  DISK        gI      _ENG108$DKD500:   8380080   7419177    960903   11.45%  USERDISK     I       --------------   -------   -------   -------  -------  ------------aI               Totals  28923720  25389035   3534685   12.21%              h ENG108$    ok dpm  -- t3 David P. Murphy          http://www.myths.com/~dpm/ - systems programmer        ftp://ftp.myths.comeC                          mailto:dpm@myths.com            (personal)sC COGITO ERGO DISCLAMO     mailto:dmurphy@ac-tech.com          (work)r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 00:27:57 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e7 Subject: Re: Extensible Versatile Editor setup questionm, Message-ID: <397D1743.ABC5E80B@videotron.ca>   Gigglegs wrote:  > $edit /tpu brandnewfile.txtoL > Editing new file.  Could not find DKA:[000000]brandnewfile.txt;1;80H1JH[EN > 2A    G VMS thinks your terminal is capable of 8 bit characters, but either the + line/link, or your terminal emulator isn't.i  D As a result, TPU sends the 8 bit CSI character (instead of the ESC-[L characters), but if the line  isn't 8 bit clean, the CSI gets its high orderN bit chopped off so the screen command then fail. And if your terminal emulatorK telsl VMS it supports 8 bit escape sequences but in fact doesn't you'll geto similar results   5 After you've logged in, you can type SET TERM/NOEIGHT    ------------------------------   Date: 24 Jul 2000 23:14:28 GMT' From: dashw459@aol.comeatspam (Doug W.)l Subject: GS140 write I/O wallc: Message-ID: <20000724191428.16587.00001172@ng-fi1.aol.com>  N We have run into a curious and unexpected I/O wall on the GS 140.  Briefly, noH matter how many controllers, disks  or processes are utilized, qio writeO bandwidth to the disks never totals more 25MB.  Note the 'write' bandwidth.  We M have no trouble with read bandwidth.  It increases pretty much as expected asa  disks and controllers are added.  O We have tried several versions of VMS (7.1-2 & 7.2) and all kinds of hardware. vM Different shelves, cables and controllers.  Compaq SCSI 2 controllers, Compaq F dual Ultra SCSI cards and even an unsanctioned Ultra 2 controller fromB Intraserver.  The results never vary, we hit a write wall at 25MB.  K These results were completely unexpected.  Initially we assumed we had donecN something silly.  But as each version of the hardware hit the wall, we removedK it from the GS140 and placed it into an ES40.  All versions of the hardwaresO configurations work just fine in an ES40.  We have been forced to conclude thatv1 the 25MB I/O write wall is inherent in the GS140.l  M Does anyone know what might cause this type of behavior in a GS140 and why itsK does not occur in an ES40?  What could limit write bandwidth but not effectn! read bandwidth?  Any suggestions?h   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Jul 2000 22:12:57 GMT# From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edub Subject: lynx, ssl and mmk+ Message-ID: <8lif19$1ns$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>y      S Hello:  7 Has anybody successfully compiled lynx with SSL on VMS?r   OPENSSL 0_9_5A installed and logicals defined  9   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0Ah3   on a AlphaServer 1000A 4/266 running OpenVMS V7.2o  8 [by the way, Lynx 2.8.3 has improved support for tables]  ) downloaded the new files for ssl support:  [LYNX2-8-3]a
 MAKEFILE.IN;2t [LYNX2-8-3.SRC] 
 LYMAIN.C;2& [LYNX2-8-3.WWW.LIBRARY.IMPLEMENTATION]D HTAAUTIL.C;2        HTFORMAT.C;2        HTNEWS.C;2          HTTP.C;2  ? I originally couldn't find the RSA library, which didn't hinderv compilation.  B In any case I tried building it using MMK and it died on the link,A with lots of errors concerning undefined symbols in gridtext.obj.   = They were defined in trstable which hadn't been compiled so IoA manually compiled [LYNX2-8-3.SRC]trstable.c and linked everything 	 together.s  ? I wasn't watching the original compile closely, so I don't knowoF if there was an error compiling it, but the [LYNX2-8-3.SRC]descrip.mms/ does not list trstable.obj in its list of objs.   ! I know next to nothing about mmk.p  , Having linked it the executable worked fine.  > However... my compile does not successfully access https URLs.  ; I am guessing that the problem occurs because of changes tot LYNX2-8-3]MAKEFILE.INu  + the ssl version of which has the following:a   SSL_DIR= /usr/local/sslp) SSL_LIBS= -L$(SSL_DIR)/lib -lssl -lcrypto-H SSL_DEFINES= -DUSE_SSL -I$(SSL_DIR)/include/openssl -I$(SSL_DIR)/include  , SITE_LIBS= $(SSL_LIBS) # Your libraries here0 SITE_LYDEFS = $(SSL_DEFINES) # Your defines here. SITE_DEFS = $(SSL_DEFINES) # Your defines here   In which the $(SSL...) are new.e  4 I would guess the first three need to be changed to:   SSL_DIR= SSLEXE ! SSL_LIBS= -LSSLLIB -lssl -lcryptor# SSL_DEFINES= -DUSE_SSL -ISSLINCLUDEr  5 Where SSLEXE, SSLLIB and SSLINCLUDE are VMS logicals. % (there is no ssl_dir/include/openssl)v  5 But I don't think mmk makes any use of the makefiles.O  F (and as expected when I made those changes and mmk'ed nothing changed)   Any suggestions?   Robert Morphis   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jul 2000 14:50:03 -05001 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)i1 Subject: Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.comS+ Message-ID: <suwseISNZxlE@eisner.decus.org>s  Y In article <Fy67qA.10u@world.std.com>, "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com> writes:n > 4 > "hg/jb" <shsrms@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message, > news:397B309A.41FC12DB@bellatlantic.net...3 >> Hmm, I seem to recall something about galaxy....lD >> wasn't there some work on multiple OS on a single multiple cpu hw >> platform?7 >> something like vms, tru64, linux on the same box....h > J > Yup. At DECUS Anaheim 88 they demoed VMS UNIX and Borgware on an 8400. A  G 88? 98? They had what claimed to be a GS140 running VMS, Tru64, NT, andOF LINUX at Providence a year ago. I was one of the few to notice the CPUK boards in the "GS140" were 5/440 boards and not 6/525s; i.e. it was an 8400s with blue skins.  K > GS-Series box can have up to 8 hard partitions and can run VMS, UNIX, and 4 > Linux (altho' the latter doth not scale for s**t).  > FYI, the old GS140 is limited to 3 soft partitions for Galaxy.   	Bob Kaplow	  E SPAM:	spamrecycle@ChooseYourmail.com	uce@ftc.gov	postmaster@127.0.0.1    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:39:35 GMT 0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com>1 Subject: Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.comt& Message-ID: <Fy818q.1tB@world.std.com>  2 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message" news:8lfs9o$37n$1@pyrite.mv.net... >m; > Terry C. Shannon <shannon@world.std.com> wrote in message " > news:Fy67yL.2C8@world.std.com... >  > ...  >oJ > > > It would not be a stretch to suspect that the reason we haven't seen > moreF > > > enthusiasm from Compaq (save for verbal reassurances and efforts > involvingrJ > > > minimal funding) regarding its 'VMS renaissance' is not because they > haveE > > > the combined intelligence of a tree-stump but because they havea > alternateuL > > > plans that just don't include VMS as an important contributor:  Tandem > inL > > > the enterprise space, Tru64 in the mid-range (including its developingF > > > clustering abilities and its NonStop configuration on the Tandem > IntegritypI > > > hardware - RIP ftVAX), and Windows on IA hardware wherever they cani sell > > it.- > >oL > > VMS remains a $3.9B business and sales/revenues are up. Got confirmation > of > > that Down Under. > I > I didn't suggest that Compaq would start refusing to sell VMS to anyonea whoaG > demanded it, just that the current state of (non-)funding compared to.F > revenue and profit seems to indicate a continued lack of interest inK > developing its market beyond that which it can satisfy in essentially itsi9 > current guise (and with minimal marketing expenditure).  >  > >aE > > Windows on IA64 sure as hell isn't gonna offer the reliability ofU OpenVMSt > > for a hell of a long time. >wI > But Himalaya already does (plus at least claims to scale even better in  onenK > of your slides - though that slide conveniently ignored VMS cluster-style > > scaling and the limitations of scaling via partitioning...).  K To be fair to the Tandemites, NSK does in fact scale quite nicely. Ask AOL.l! who has over 1,500 Himalaya CPUs.   
 Tru64 is aJ > least trying to (and according to your slides is still slated to get theJ > Integrity hardware to give it true fault-tolerance, which VMS hasn't has > since ftVAX),   I Yup. Some of the NSK special sauce will boost Tru64 to 99.99+ reliability 
 next year.  7 and I'll bet that the Windows faction at the Q is stilltE > asserting loudly both within and without the company that reliable,t scalableK > Windows is just around the next corner.  Easy for Compaq to conclude thatsF > there's no real need for VMS down the road save to support customers7 > unwilling to migrate elsewhere (like the COE crowd?).   1 They can say all they want, but where's the beef?    >e > > I > > > And given that we already know that Compaq likes to avoid competing0 withL > > > itself, it's hard to find a significant hole for VMS to fill in such aK > > > strategy, even though we could suggest that a different strategy that J > > > included a significant VMS presence (and more product overlap) might be > a  > > > stronger one overall.- > >-E > > Compaq could learn a lot from General Motors about competing withh itself.e >.E > But there's no sign that Compaq is educable in this area, is there?a  H Well, I live in Taxacusetts, where tons of taxpayer dollars are spent on@ special ed. Perhaps some of this should be directed at Compaq... >t   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:44:29 GMT 0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com>1 Subject: Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.comp& Message-ID: <Fy81Gv.2s8@world.std.com>  > "Bob Kaplow" <kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars> wrote in message% news:suwseISNZxlE@eisner.decus.org... ; > In article <Fy67qA.10u@world.std.com>, "Terry C. Shannon". <shannon@world.std.com> writes:n > >o6 > > "hg/jb" <shsrms@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message. > > news:397B309A.41FC12DB@bellatlantic.net...5 > >> Hmm, I seem to recall something about galaxy....eF > >> wasn't there some work on multiple OS on a single multiple cpu hw > >> platform?9 > >> something like vms, tru64, linux on the same box....t > > L > > Yup. At DECUS Anaheim 88 they demoed VMS UNIX and Borgware on an 8400. A >oI > 88? 98? They had what claimed to be a GS140 running VMS, Tru64, NT, and H > LINUX at Providence a year ago. I was one of the few to notice the CPUH > boards in the "GS140" were 5/440 boards and not 6/525s; i.e. it was an 8400 > with blue skins.  - You are right. I was off by a decade. Oops.../   > I > > GS-Series box can have up to 8 hard partitions and can run VMS, UNIX,s andn6 > > Linux (altho' the latter doth not scale for s**t). >,@ > FYI, the old GS140 is limited to 3 soft partitions for Galaxy.   Yep!   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:42:33 GMTo0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com>1 Subject: Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.come& Message-ID: <Fy81Dn.2F2@world.std.com>  2 "hg/jb" <shsrms@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message* news:397B86F0.4FFDB000@bellatlantic.net... > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:p > >s6 > > "hg/jb" <shsrms@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message. > > news:397B309A.41FC12DB@bellatlantic.net...6 > > > Hmm, I seem to recall something about galaxy....G > > > wasn't there some work on multiple OS on a single multiple cpu hwn > > > platform?e: > > > something like vms, tru64, linux on the same box.... > >.L > > Yup. At DECUS Anaheim 88 they demoed VMS UNIX and Borgware on an 8400. AI > > GS-Series box can have up to 8 hard partitions and can run VMS, UNIX,f and 6 > > Linux (altho' the latter doth not scale for s**t).I > Yeah, now you are reminding everyone that I read (both past and present  > tense) > all your stuff!!E > Is this a surprise - the Linux Scalability I mean- I am not a linuxn > bigot,J > but I wonder if it will scale if the linux effort keeps pushing and they- > get their hands on a couple of good boxes!!l > >nI > > There's also an interesting project called Jupiter. NSK VMS and NT in- the-H > > same cabinet. Doubt it'll ever become a product; it's reminiscent of thatK > > mutant mutli-architecture box Ken Olsen dreamed up at Advanced Modular.p > >dH > > Oh, this is not to be confused with the Jupiter of Rose Ann Giordano infamy.g > >t > > charlie matcok > Hey Charlie,? > I did not know that RoseAnn got credit for Jupiter/Hephastus!r > just bob aka badbob.  F Naahhh... RoseAnn just took all the flack when she had to announce the Jupiter cancellation.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:10:00 -0500 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>* Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.2 on DEC Multia/UDB- Message-ID: <0033000001272585000002L052*@MHS>t  H =0AI found info that states that it is possible to run OpenVMS on a Mul= tia (IB have the 166 MHz alpha version).  Has anyone done this?  Are thereH references that someone can point me to, pitfalls that I should be awar= e of,  etc.?  Thanks.  3      http://www.djesys.com/vms/hobbyist/multia.htmln        WWWebb=   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:03:24 -0400 . From: "Jason Corley" <corleyj@spawar.navy.mil>* Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.2 on DEC Multia/UDB. Message-ID: <8li43g$3n8$1@newpoisson.nosc.mil>  H Great site.  This is exactly what I was looking for.  On a side note, myI Multia has a 2 GB mini-IDE hard drive which I use as the main drive -- ItdI currently runs RedHat Linux Alpha v6.0.  I noticed in the important notes/G section that they claim the Multia cannot boot from an IDE drive.  DoeseA anyone know if that statement relates specifically to the OpenVMS.H implementation, because I know from personal use with the RedHat install" that this is not the general case.  B WILLIAM WEBB wrote in message <0033000001272585000002L052*@MHS>...  J I found info that states that it is possible to run OpenVMS on a Multia (IB have the 166 MHz alpha version).  Has anyone done this?  Are thereL references that someone can point me to, pitfalls that I should be aware of, etc.?  Thanks.  3      http://www.djesys.com/vms/hobbyist/multia.html         WWWebb    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 13:49:13 -0600 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>2* Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.2 on DEC Multia/UDBC Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20000724134842.00b87198@pop.clsp.uswest.net>   D It's an OpenVMS thing.  I don't think it can even see the controller* properly.  You need a SCSI drive for this.      * At 01:03 PM 7/24/2000, Jason Corley wrote:  I >Great site.  This is exactly what I was looking for.  On a side note, my J >Multia has a 2 GB mini-IDE hard drive which I use as the main drive -- ItJ >currently runs RedHat Linux Alpha v6.0.  I noticed in the important notesH >section that they claim the Multia cannot boot from an IDE drive.  DoesB >anyone know if that statement relates specifically to the OpenVMSI >implementation, because I know from personal use with the RedHat install # >that this is not the general case.  > C >WILLIAM WEBB wrote in message <0033000001272585000002L052*@MHS>...: > K >I found info that states that it is possible to run OpenVMS on a Multia (I C >have the 166 MHz alpha version).  Has anyone done this?  Are there:M >references that someone can point me to, pitfalls that I should be aware of,- >etc.?  Thanks.  >-5 >      http://www.djesys.com/vms/hobbyist/multia.html1 >2
 >      WWWebb    ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+cI | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |tI | Principal Engineer            |  "Those are my principles. If you     |-I | Process Software              |   don't like them I have others."     |8I | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    | I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+0   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Jul 2000 20:02:53 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)* Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.2 on DEC Multia/UDB6 Message-ID: <8li7dd$4s6$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  _ In article <8li43g$3n8$1@newpoisson.nosc.mil>, "Jason Corley" <corleyj@spawar.navy.mil> writes:-   :On a side note, my-J :Multia has a 2 GB mini-IDE hard drive which I use as the main drive -- ItJ :currently runs RedHat Linux Alpha v6.0.  I noticed in the important notesH :section that they claim the Multia cannot boot from an IDE drive.  DoesB :anyone know if that statement relates specifically to the OpenVMSI :implementation, because I know from personal use with the RedHat install-# :that this is not the general case.0  I   If you want statements related to Multia, please start with the centralRI   and most important one for all of your upcoming adventures with OpenVMS8   on the Multia:  ,     "OpenVMS is not supported on the Multia"  J   I don't mean this statement to appear rude, merely to indicate that you H   are not working with a supported and tested system here.  That Multia F   even boots OpenVMS is a result of some midnight engineering here in G   OpenVMS Engineering, and the subsequent release of this widgetry via bI   the OpenVMS Freeware was performed with a requirement for, um, clarity  G   around the complete lack of official support for the Multia platform.   E   RedHat Linux is booting on the Multia using the AlphaBIOS (or ARC) iE   console and not SRM, correct?  Various Windows NT systems were also F   able to bootstrap from IDE using the AlphaBIOS/ARC console, as well.  J   Only enough of the Multia box was brought online as part of this OpenVMSL   engineering "midnight" work to get the Multia box up and running for some I   midnight development projects -- most anything that was not central to oK   getting the Multia box to bootstrap as far as bringing up DECwindows was s0   likely not looked at and likely does not work.  J   OpenVMS itself has only recently learned how to boot from IDE, and only #   with the Cypress IDE interface.     K   I'd be surprised to learn that anybody has even looked at the Multia SRM hK   console and OpenVMS bootstraps from the Multia-based IDE here in OpenVMS lH   Engineering.  And support for or likelyhood of any changes to the SRM $   console are, um, unlikely at best.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:58:09 -0700n0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com> Subject: Re: PGPi and OpenVMSS, Message-ID: <397C2F51.4D73DAFF@Mvb.Saic.Com>   Arne Vajhj wrote: > ! > awrycroft001@my-deja.com wrote:nH > > Has anyone had any experience running the PGPi software on OpenVMS ? > > http://www.pgpi.org. > & > The old PGP 2.6.x works fine on VMS. > : > I have never heard about the newer PGP's running on VMS. >-  G A long time ago I ported pgp 5.0i to VMS.  I still have the executablesbG but, in looking around, it doesn't look like the ported source is stillyE online and I can't begin to guess which tape it might be on (I neededV= pgp briefly at that point in time and haven't used it since).I  C However, the port was only a weekend's work with the biggest effortrB being their horrible kludge for manipulating the keyboard so as toE generate random data - IIRC, I ended up tossing most of their routine & and adding a couple of QIO functions).  B I'm curious.  Is there much call for PGP beyond 2.6.3 for VMS?  Is9 anyone using S/MIME?  What is the preference around here?2  
 Mark Berrymanc Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:32:48 -0400 (EDT)  From: quayle@infinet.com Subject: Re: PGPi and OpenVMSuK Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10007241528070.5638-100000@shell.oh.voyager.net>n  D > I'm curious.  Is there much call for PGP beyond 2.6.3 for VMS?  Is; > anyone using S/MIME?  What is the preference around here?n  H My client has set on PGP for all its file transfers with customers.  AndI they're telling all their customers to get the 6.5.1 version.  ("It's the  latest and greatest!")  F Since the VMS system can't do anything with 6.5 of PGP, the client has9 decided on a Unix solution.  End of story, end of system..  E I spoke with the product manager for the "low end" customers, who are-B upset by a $7500 licensing fee.  There may be hope for VMS yet, byD adopting some other encryption scheme.  Triple-DES would be cheap...   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:24:01 GMT  From: byatesiii@my-deja.com  Subject: Re: PGPi and OpenVMS() Message-ID: <8li8ks$7ps$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   E I have to agree... used to, I could port Unix code easily... but now, A you have to be a machine to do it. There is so much *CRAP* in theSC sourcefiles, with all their conditional compilations, etc., that itS makes *portability* a joke.S  ( In article <397C7484.3DA06DBB@mmaz.com>,.   "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> wrote:G > Version 2.6.3i did build and work on VMS 5.5-2 years back without tooa
 much problem.s >d > Barryo >n > David Mathog wrote:s >nF > > In article <8lgvla$92r$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, awrycroft001@my-deja.com writes:: > > >Hi, > > >a? > > >Has anyone had any experience running the PGPi software onP	 OpenVMS ?w > > >http://www.pgpi.org.D > > >e > >l > > I just took a look at it.c > >y > > Ugh. > >sF > > Unpacked it on a linux/alpha box and did ./build.sh.  That ran the dreadedmG > > autoconf stuff and created something like 30 Makefiles (it scrolledi off the G > > top of the 25 line screen anyway).  It also did all sorts of on thee fly F > > file name linking and creation of file headers.  I did not let the runm6 > > complete, but wasn't pleased to see warnings like: > >h* > > gpFileDB.c: In function `OpenKeyRing':; > > pgpFileDB.c:829: warning: empty body in an if-statementn > >M > > or compile lines including > >c3 > >   -DUNFINISHED_CODE_ALLOWED=1 -DUSE_PGP_LEAKS=0  > >sH > > but not including "-ansi" or anything else to make the compiler moreD > > stringent.  There were also sections written in C++.  C++ is bad enough,VB > > but C++ only tested with gcc and compiled without any language	 standardseA > > enforcement is highly unlikely to compile or run in other C++o
 environments.m > >l> > > Good luck to you if you try to port it - you will need it! > >-E > > The really sick thing about all of this is that code developed ony OpenVMSoE > > with cc/standard=ansi89/prefix=all/warn=enable=all will generallyf compileeE > > cleanly on other platforms and run there as well - and won't needm anytC > > ifdef's so long as it sticks with unix paths and filenames.  Itn	 will also@B > > build fine with a static Makefile.  But code developed on Unix without the H > > compiler enforcing language standards _requires_ autoconf, a pile ofD > > ifdefs, and more often than not, ends up being riddled with bugs	 which arer# > > exposed by different compilers.n > >gF > > Maybe that's why the Unix folks are so hot on Autoconf - it does a fair job? > > of propping up code which isn't compliant with the language 
 standards. > >  > > Regards, > >s > > David Mathog! > > mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edunB > > Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech >  > -- >gA > Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOp > C > E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028a >  >l    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 00:41:09 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>l Subject: Re: Plain Kermit?, Message-ID: <397D1A5B.89BCA1A4@videotron.ca>   Beyonder wrote:tO > Saw the bootstrapping info. I'm not sure I can use it. How do I get the imageeR > onto the vax in the first place? I can't make a bootable floppy or anything like > that.w  U The idea is to download a very simple MACRO program to your VAX with a text transfer.n  ! On the VAX, you CREATE SIMPLE.MARtD Then, on the PC emulator, you do an ASCII send of the macro program,H then on the VAX, you send <CTRL-Z> to end the CREATE command, then MACROM SIMPLE.MAR, then LINK SIMPLE.MAR and you've got SIMPLE.EXE which you can run.i  J Such a program, when executed, could accept raw data and store it to disk.J From the PC you could then send the binary KERMIT. (after which you can do real file transfers).r  L There are simpler ways of doing it, but the biggest problem is signaling endN of file. If the raw data contains a <CTRL-Z>, the VMS command will think it is the end and close the file.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 01:14:17 GMTt0 From: gilley@nospam.bravewc.com (Charles Gilley)( Subject: Re: Q: Looking for an old game.< Message-ID: <jP5f5.2373$G7.76740@news-west.usenetserver.com>  O Speaking of old games, does anyone know where one might find the PC version of d@ Doomsday 2000?  This has to be the classic VAX game of all time.  6 In article <8lgv0v$7v1$1@robert.mpe-garching.mpg.de>, < sutter@robert.mpe-garching.mpg.de (Robert Suetterlin) wrote: >lI >Sorry for asking this slightly off-topic question, but I do not know howh- >to find what I'm looking for in another way.i >uF >I'm looking for a game that I believe I played some 15 years ago on aI >PDP11. It is a kind of space exploration game and has a feature no otherrI >game I know has. You can destroy starts and once You destroyed the last,lG >the  game ends and tells You to wait until a new galaxy is created --- 6 >which took like weeks when I played it the last time.I >        As You all will have guessed I do not know the name of the game. I >That is exactly what I need and perhaps a place to get it or its source.  >  >Bye, Robert S.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:19:10 -0700n- From: David R Barnes <dbproductions@juno.com>S7 Subject: Question about OSMS optical storage on old Vax@: Message-ID: <20000724.201910.636.0.dbproductions@juno.com>  
 Hello all;  B 	I have inherited a system which has an old DEC RW500 optical diskD library, and has version 3.4 of OSMS software installed. I know thatG REWRITABLE disks can be initialized, etc just like disks (using virtualsD devices JBxx), however what is the procedure to prep and init a WORMH disk?  Init will not work under VMS, I seem to remember a special seriesD of steps to init a WORM platter on OSMS , but docs are loong gone... anyone help on this one?     								Thanks 								David Barnes   David R Barnes dbproductions@juno.com3 =-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- # Netbsd 1.3 / Linux / Unix, VMS guru   @ ________________________________________________________________( YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!% Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!i? Try it today - there's no risk!  For your FREE software, visit:   http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:09:38 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>Y8 Subject: Re: Re[2]: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com( Message-ID: <8li475$e0b$1@pyrite.mv.net>  5 WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in messageC' news:0033000001255892000002L022*@MHS...c   ...N        Large ships turn slowly.o  F      But the ship IS turning, and attention is being paid to things at      *high levels*.e  J Attention is being paid (as well it should be, if only to avoid increasingI defections by customers who see *no* future for VMS, let alone a vigorous9J one), but no significant additional funding appears to have been allocatedH to VMS-specific areas (e.g., general development - as opposed to the COEG efforts targeted at a very specific long-term market - and VMS-specifichI advertising).  So while the ship may no longer be steaming away from VMS, H it's not at all clear that it has actually turned toward VMS rather than! just steered to a neutral course.   I      The damage done by DIGITAL and, to a lesser degree, by Compaq beforedB      it realized what it has in VMS, will not be undone overnight,  L There's no indication that the damage previously done to VMS is being undoneH at all, just that active damage is no longer being inflicted.  *Undoing*I damage would entail compensatory action above and beyond what should havehA been being done all along:  not only is there no evidence of such-J compensatory action, but there's no evidence of anything like the level ofJ promotion/development expenditure one would expect for a system generatingE close to $4 billion/year in revenue (at a profit margin rumored to be I healthier than about anything else Compaq sells) - even in the absence of # compensation for past mis-handling.t    andI      although I don't expect to see things become like the early Nineties G      again, where one could seamlessly go from desktop to mainframe and-G      there was a DECwhatever software product to fill that need, I *do*I%      sense a revitalization going on.j  J 'Revitalization'?  Perhaps in the sense that VMS is now being *allowed* toK survive as best it can, rather than being actively killed.  Not much beyond  that - yet.I  K Is the situation better than it was?  Absolutely.  Does it suggest a brightsK future for VMS anywhere save at best where it is currently being used?  No: J why would customers not already tied to VMS commit themselves to long-termB dependence on it in the absence of a far more visible and credible commitment to VMS by Compaq?  D It seems likely that Rich Marcello is doing the best he can with theL marginal hand Houston has dealt him after finally allowing VMS to sit at theL table.  And as a corporate team player one can't expect him to complain, butJ just to put the best face on things he can and hope that *some* resurgenceL in VMS's sales despite the paucity of Compaq's efforts will convince Houston3 to give it more slack next year and the year after.o  K But industry competition and evolution may not give VMS a couple more yearssA to prove itself to Compaq and get the funding it needs to be moretL competitive.  In which case the current 'renaissance' will merely constitute8 a minor bump in VMS's continuing slide toward obscurity.  J Slowing that slide may be as much as some current VMS customers need.  ForH customers who need more to justify continued use of VMS, it seems likelyG that the person to approach is Mike Capellas.  It has been rumored thatsJ customers who migrate off VMS very often migrate to other vendors entirelyK (rather than to other Compaq products) - a point that they should make very2# clearly if it's applicable to them.t   - bill        WWWebb2   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:46:46 GMTn0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com>8 Subject: Re: Re[2]: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com& Message-ID: <Fy81Kp.395@world.std.com>  7 "WILLIAM WEBB" <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in messagei' news:0033000001255892000002L022*@MHS...   B Johnny Billquist <Johnny.Billquist@netinsight.se> wrote in message' news:397C310D.DE567F57@netinsight.se...r > Bill Todd wrote: > > = > > Terry C. Shannon <shannon@world.std.com> wrote in messagey$ > > news:Fy67yL.2C8@world.std.com... > >aJ > > > If what the Q is saying about DII-COE, OpenVMS will be around for at leasta > > > 15 more years... > > @ > > I'm sure it will be.  Just like RSX is still around today... >5L > I'm not sure I understand that comment. If it was meant as irony, I assumeK > it was an implication that RSX isn't around. But RSX is still around, bute4 > DEC sold it off, so now you find RSX under Mentec. <http://www.mentec.com/>  K It was meant pretty much at face value:  indeed RSX is still around, but inyK terms of development effort and market share is only a shadow of its former-= self.  As a 16-bit OS in a 64-bit world, this is appropriate.   I The point is that the mere continued existence of VMS will not suffice torL make it an attractive platform for new development.  For many current users,J this may not be important.  For many others, being tied to an increasingly' stagnant platform will be unacceptable.    > F > If you mean that COMPAQ will sell VMS off, I have a hard time seeingF > who on earth would buy it. In a way, DEC (COMPAQ) has painted itselfF > more into a corner with VMS than with anything else. None but COMPAQ0 > has an interest in keeping it alive, it seems.H > And I definitely don't think anyone wants to pay whatever COMPAQ would > want to sell it.  H Whether Compaq retains VMS, sells it, or pays someone to take it away isE likely less relevant to users than how aggressively its leadership ise& maintained.  Unless the buyer is CA...   God help us if that's the case!i   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Jul 2000 22:34:33 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)8 Subject: Re: Re[2]: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com+ Message-ID: <8lig9p$9d@gap.cco.caltech.edu>i  Y In article <Fy81Kp.395@world.std.com>, "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com> writes: I >Whether Compaq retains VMS, sells it, or pays someone to take it away is F >likely less relevant to users than how aggressively its leadership is' >maintained.  Unless the buyer is CA...p >   >God help us if that's the case! >   K Ugh.  If I were in the shoes of E*trade, Northern Lights, or the other "betbK big bucks and the business" OpenVMS customers I would certainly try to takeiH steps to eliminate the possibility of a CA future.  For instance, if theG lot of them pooled together they might be able to extract from Compaq aeK right of first refusal to purchase the OpenVMS division (or better yet, thexJ whole enterprise division) at a fixed price - should Compaq ever feel the D need to dispose of it.  In exchange - they don't take their businessH elsewhere.  Not that any of them want to get into the business of owningG OpenVMS, but cooler heads amongst them can probably do the math and see H that if the sh!t hits the fan and CA ends up owning OpenVMS (or Tru64 orK NSK), then they are all most thoroughly screwed (consumers in general too -hJ they'd pass on the horrific costs which would result.)  It should be a lotI less painful to suddenly have to invest and become a major stockholder inyH OpenVMS Inc. than it would be to become a victim of the CA vampire.  GetI the price fixed at $3B or so (OpenVMS only), split it 40 ways, and it's atI lot of money, but not more than they each might pay in a year or two oncen CA got its claws into them.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduo? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech p   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:53:43 -0400 . From: "Steven Shamlian" <not.an@earthling.net> Subject: Shareable images-2 Message-ID: <8lihgt$1eb$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>  
 Hello, all...aE What are shareable images?  I ask because I'd like to run some system-L services that I can't.  (How does it feel to want...?)  Sorry for being such
 an idiot.. Here's an example.  	 $ mcr ncpe  1 %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image DNS$SHARE  -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file6 HOBBES$DKB300:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]DNS$SHARE.EXE;1K -SYSTEM-F-PRIVINSTALL, shareable images must be installed to run privilegedp image    Thanks,s =+=Steve=+=    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:13:20 -0400e. From: "Steven Shamlian" <not.an@earthling.net> Subject: Re: Shareable imagese2 Message-ID: <8liilr$ao5$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net>  D The question should be, (kill first question), "How do I install theI shareable images I need?"  The OpenVMS FAQ doesn't shed too much light ono the topic...I Or maybe we could refine this a little more.  I'm trying to find out whatgG the servicename (assume it's the name I gave to the VAX), nodename, andbJ portname to hook up a DECserver 90L+, whose instruction booklet say that'sH what I need but doesn't say much else.  Someone told me that running ncpJ would tell me what it was.  Either they're wrong or I'm missing something. =+=Steve=+= 9 "Steven Shamlian" <not.an@earthling.net> wrote in message1, news:8lihgt$1eb$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net... > Hello, all...uG > What are shareable images?  I ask because I'd like to run some systemSI > services that I can't.  (How does it feel to want...?)  Sorry for beingr such > an idiot.. > Here's an example. >  > $ mcr ncpn >l3 > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image DNS$SHAREh > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file8 > HOBBES$DKB300:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]DNS$SHARE.EXE;1B > -SYSTEM-F-PRIVINSTALL, shareable images must be installed to run
 privileged > imaget >p	 > Thanks,g
 > =+=Steve=+=  >" >s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:59:52 -0700S+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>m Subject: Re: Shareable images.( Message-ID: <397CD878.B9C81A18@mmaz.com>  } Chances are, there is a DCL command procedure that installs the images of the layered product you are attempting to start.  Ie^ suspect that same procedure probably defines some system logicals and may even startup an ACP.  ] Regardless, to answer your question about installing images, investigate the INSTALL command.o   Barrys     Steven Shamlian wrote:  F > The question should be, (kill first question), "How do I install theK > shareable images I need?"  The OpenVMS FAQ doesn't shed too much light onV > the topic...K > Or maybe we could refine this a little more.  I'm trying to find out whatnI > the servicename (assume it's the name I gave to the VAX), nodename, andrL > portname to hook up a DECserver 90L+, whose instruction booklet say that'sJ > what I need but doesn't say much else.  Someone told me that running ncpL > would tell me what it was.  Either they're wrong or I'm missing something.
 > =+=Steve=+=b; > "Steven Shamlian" <not.an@earthling.net> wrote in messaget. > news:8lihgt$1eb$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net... > > Hello, all...tI > > What are shareable images?  I ask because I'd like to run some systemeK > > services that I can't.  (How does it feel to want...?)  Sorry for beingp > such > > an idiot.. > > Here's an example. > > 
 > > $ mcr ncp  > >n5 > > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image DNS$SHAREt > > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file: > > HOBBES$DKB300:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]DNS$SHARE.EXE;1D > > -SYSTEM-F-PRIVINSTALL, shareable images must be installed to run > privileged	 > > imaget > >m > > Thanks,  > > =+=Steve=+=r > >e > >    --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOi  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:49:02 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Shareable imagessL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2407002349030001@user-2ive6j0.dialup.mindspring.com>  b In article <8liilr$ao5$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net>, "Steven Shamlian" <not.an@earthling.net> wrote:  F > The question should be, (kill first question), "How do I install theK > shareable images I need?"  The OpenVMS FAQ doesn't shed too much light ont > the topic...K > Or maybe we could refine this a little more.  I'm trying to find out whatnI > the servicename (assume it's the name I gave to the VAX), nodename, andeL > portname to hook up a DECserver 90L+, whose instruction booklet say that'sJ > what I need but doesn't say much else.  Someone told me that running ncpL > would tell me what it was.  Either they're wrong or I'm missing something.
 > =+=Steve=+=     E NCP is the management interface for DECnet phase IV (old DECnet).  IfdF it is installed and configured on your system, all the images requiredF for NCP should already be installed.  You don't want to try doing this= by hand, particularly if you are new to managing VMS systems.   B Look in your sys$manager:systartup_vms.com.  Do you see some stuff@ that starts up DECnet?  If you have DECnet-plus configured, thenC you DON'T have DECnet phase IV, so you don't have NCP.  You'll needo1 to find another way to make your DECserver happy.7  K You may have DECnet phase IV installed, but not configured.  Or configured,  but not started up.e  @ Look in the  sys$manager:systartup_vms.template file, to see howD it looks before the system manager starts mucking around.  This file. has lots of comments about starting up DECnet.  @ I haven't used a DECserver 90L+.  I've used widgets that I think are similar.   If it uses LAT services, you may need to do something with the LATCP program.  If you need LAT, you might need something like this is your systartup_vms.com:a  0 $! Start up the LAT port driver, ACP, and ports.E $! See "OpenVMS System Manager's Manual", section 24.5 (Version 7.1).  $ @sys$startup:lat$startup  9 LAT can be further customized as described in the manual.n  F If your DECserver wants someone to help it boot via the MOP protocol, t that can be handled by DECnet phase IV, DECnet plus, or LANCP, depending on what is configured and your preferences.  V Enough speculation from me.  I don't have a clear picture of what you're trying to do.    ; > "Steven Shamlian" <not.an@earthling.net> wrote in message . > news:8lihgt$1eb$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net... > > Hello, all...sI > > What are shareable images?  I ask because I'd like to run some systemtK > > services that I can't.  (How does it feel to want...?)  Sorry for beingl > such > > an idiot.. > > Here's an example. > >g
 > > $ mcr ncpt > >b5 > > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image DNS$SHARE  > > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file: > > HOBBES$DKB300:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]DNS$SHARE.EXE;1D > > -SYSTEM-F-PRIVINSTALL, shareable images must be installed to run > privileged	 > > imager   -- n Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:19:09 -0700a! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comt& Subject: Stirrings in the undergrowth?C Message-ID: <OFB6D43DED.237CE5A6-ON88256927.0001C11D@HEALTHNET.COM>i  E For reasons I won't bother going into here, I just got a package from H Compaq. It contains some new marketing materials for OpenVMS, stuff I'veG never seen before, and some looking suspiciously like it's designed for-E Compaq salespeople. There's even a couple of high quality freebies inr there!  K I hesitate to say it may be advance material from a new marketing push, but- I live in hope.9   Shaned  H  #####   ---------------------------------------------------------------I #-O-O-# | Shane underbar S on pacbell dot net. Spam to abuse@127.0.0.1  |rH #  L  #  ---------------------------------------------------------------D  #===#   Don't blame HealthNet for anything I say. They're innocent.H   ###    OpenVMS: The operating system God runs the Earth simulation on.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 00:46:16 GMTo0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com>* Subject: Re: Stirrings in the undergrowth?& Message-ID: <Fy89w6.HFG@world.std.com>  A Well, word has it that such a campaign is about to be launched...x  . <Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com> wrote in message= news:OFB6D43DED.237CE5A6-ON88256927.0001C11D@HEALTHNET.COM...RG > For reasons I won't bother going into here, I just got a package fromeJ > Compaq. It contains some new marketing materials for OpenVMS, stuff I'veI > never seen before, and some looking suspiciously like it's designed for0G > Compaq salespeople. There's even a couple of high quality freebies inK > there! > I > I hesitate to say it may be advance material from a new marketing push,< but1 > I live in hope.o >i > ShaneC >eJ >  #####   ---------------------------------------------------------------K > #-O-O-# | Shane underbar S on pacbell dot net. Spam to abuse@127.0.0.1  |tJ > #  L  #  ---------------------------------------------------------------F >  #===#   Don't blame HealthNet for anything I say. They're innocent.J >   ###    OpenVMS: The operating system God runs the Earth simulation on. >r >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:30:51 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>o* Subject: Re: Stirrings in the undergrowth?- Message-ID: <397CEDCB.8A5D3AE9@earthlink.net>i   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:a > C > Well, word has it that such a campaign is about to be launched...r  > If it's nothing but more "preaching to the choir", why bother?   -- s David J. Dachteraq dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/V   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:42:46 -0700i! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comi* Subject: Re: Stirrings in the undergrowth?C Message-ID: <OF1119E871.8ADE8ACB-ON88256927.00094766@HEALTHNET.COM>c  J He didn't say it was going to be aimed at us - I got mine through the backE door, so to speak. I hear rumblings of good things afoot, but being ae; cynical SOB I'm waiting to see it before cheering too loud.t   Shaneu          K "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> on 07/24/2000 06:30:51 PM    To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comd cc:t  + Subject:  Re: Stirrings in the undergrowth?h     "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:t > C > Well, word has it that such a campaign is about to be launched...   > If it's nothing but more "preaching to the choir", why bother?   -- David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:44:57 -0700i+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>s* Subject: Re: Stirrings in the undergrowth?( Message-ID: <397CF119.80B1AF1A@mmaz.com>  t We'll see... Its be three years since a Digital/Compaq person has phoned my office regarding anything VMS related...   Barryr   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:t  C > Well, word has it that such a campaign is about to be launched...h >e0 > <Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com> wrote in message? > news:OFB6D43DED.237CE5A6-ON88256927.0001C11D@HEALTHNET.COM...cI > > For reasons I won't bother going into here, I just got a package from L > > Compaq. It contains some new marketing materials for OpenVMS, stuff I'veK > > never seen before, and some looking suspiciously like it's designed forlI > > Compaq salespeople. There's even a couple of high quality freebies inn
 > > there! > > K > > I hesitate to say it may be advance material from a new marketing push,t > butr > > I live in hope.w > >c	 > > Shaner > >rL > >  #####   ---------------------------------------------------------------M > > #-O-O-# | Shane underbar S on pacbell dot net. Spam to abuse@127.0.0.1  |rL > > #  L  #  ---------------------------------------------------------------H > >  #===#   Don't blame HealthNet for anything I say. They're innocent.L > >   ###    OpenVMS: The operating system God runs the Earth simulation on. > >y > >t   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:05:56 -0700T! From: Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com>.* Subject: Re: Stirrings in the undergrowth?+ Message-ID: <397CF604.920B03A2@tmisnet.com>o  x I was wearing my DECUS shirt at work and someone out of the blue said, "DECUS? Is that still around?  I haven't heard of that since the mid 80's!"t   "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:  v > We'll see... Its be three years since a Digital/Compaq person has phoned my office regarding anything VMS related... >  > Barry  >  > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:. > E > > Well, word has it that such a campaign is about to be launched...n > > 2 > > <Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com> wrote in messageA > > news:OFB6D43DED.237CE5A6-ON88256927.0001C11D@HEALTHNET.COM...oK > > > For reasons I won't bother going into here, I just got a package fromsN > > > Compaq. It contains some new marketing materials for OpenVMS, stuff I'veM > > > never seen before, and some looking suspiciously like it's designed formK > > > Compaq salespeople. There's even a couple of high quality freebies inf > > > there! > > >nM > > > I hesitate to say it may be advance material from a new marketing push,i > > butt > > > I live in hope.  > > >n > > > Shane  > > >nN > > >  #####   ---------------------------------------------------------------O > > > #-O-O-# | Shane underbar S on pacbell dot net. Spam to abuse@127.0.0.1  |oN > > > #  L  #  ---------------------------------------------------------------J > > >  #===#   Don't blame HealthNet for anything I say. They're innocent.N > > >   ###    OpenVMS: The operating system God runs the Earth simulation on. > > >  > > >w >  > -- >wA > Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO  >vC > E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:25:04 -0700t3 From: Jojimbo <jgesslingNOjgSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid>e# Subject: Re: SYSINIT Error resolvedt9 Message-ID: <3a8b90d0.0b0cd8f2@usw-ex0102-084.remarq.com>   0 "Dwight Brooks" <dbrooks@prosoftauto.com> wrote: >-@ >The SYSINIT-E error that I posted in a previous thread has been	 resolved.. > @ >I wanted to make a backup of the disk so I could play with some of the >SYSGEN settings.$> >I booted Standalone Backup V6.2 and did an image/init/noalias
 backup of thea  >disk to another identical disk. >The "new" disk booted fine.0 >I don't know why but it did so time to move on. >l  >Thanks to everyone that posted. >Dwights >e >i >l> I suppose it's the noalias qualifier.  This has been discussed; recently in this forum.  You may want to read through theseo@ archives.  (not a Deja of course, who think not providing access to archives is acceptable).r   Jiml      ; -----------------------------------------------------------A  7 Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.  Up to 100 minutes free!r http://www.keen.comi   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:54:18 +0930 A From: "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrobx@stmarksx.ppx.catholicx.edux.aux>e Subject: UCX and TCPWATCHi3 Message-ID: <rw9f5.45744$N4.1643158@ozemail.com.au>e  G I'm looking at a couple of things happening on our lan, and need to useMH a packet sniffer.  I have TCPWATCH which works fine on the Vax 6000 with; Multinet, however I need to use it on a VS4000/90 with UCX.6C Unfortunately, I find it can only see traffic addressed to it's owneG address.  I'm assuming that the adapter needs to be in promiscuous modesH or something similar, but I can't seem to figure out how to force UCX to do that.  It's VMS 6.2/UCX 4.0.a  F I've had a look in the FAQ and I'm still sifting through the docs, but I'm sure someone just KNOWS...     Cheers  
 Geoff Robertso Computer Systems Manager Saint Mark's College Port Pirie,r South Australiat6 geoffrob at stmarks dot pp dot catholic dot edu dot au ICQ: 1970476   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:52:39 +0800h- From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>o Subject: Re: UCX and TCPWATCH + Message-ID: <397D2B27.85B6A1F7@bigpond.com>>   Geoff Roberts wrote: > I > I'm looking at a couple of things happening on our lan, and need to usetJ > a packet sniffer.  I have TCPWATCH which works fine on the Vax 6000 with= > Multinet, however I need to use it on a VS4000/90 with UCX. E > Unfortunately, I find it can only see traffic addressed to it's owneI > address.  I'm assuming that the adapter needs to be in promiscuous mode:J > or something similar, but I can't seem to figure out how to force UCX to! > do that.  It's VMS 6.2/UCX 4.0.i > H > I've had a look in the FAQ and I'm still sifting through the docs, but  > I'm sure someone just KNOWS... >  > Cheers >  > Geoff Robertsa > Computer Systems Manager > Saint Mark's College
 > Port Pirie,l > South Australian8 > geoffrob at stmarks dot pp dot catholic dot edu dot au > ICQ: 1970476   Geoff,  E If it's the TCPWATCH from the address below (or the Freeware CD) thenoG the version of UCX or Multinet is irrelevant.  It accesses the ethernetgD device, puts it into promiscuous mode, and listens.  If you are only= seeing traffic destined for YOUR address, what is the networkhC configuration?  Sounds like the 4000/90 is connected to a switch ore: other device that is stopping other traffic getting to it.   --   Regards, Dave.oI -------------------------------------------------------------------------lI David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.com I DBS software at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm I "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennonr   ------------------------------   Date: 24 JUL 2000 18:03:47 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)+ Subject: Re: Undocumented commands in UCX ?B6 Message-ID: <24JUL00.18034758@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  F In a previous article, "Marc Van Dyck" <marc.vandyck@skynet.be> wrote: -> mN ->I have been looking in the code of UCX$CONFIG.COM lately, anf found a coupleN ->of commands (generate, check, ...) that are not documented. Does anyone haveM ->some sort of documentation about those commands ? Specially, I'm interested>L ->about the /COMMON qualifier for the commands SET CONFIG ENABLE [NO]SERVICE9 ->and SHOW CONFIG ENABLE SERVICE. What does it do, etc...c  8 The GENERATE command defines logical names. For example:   	$ UCX GENERATE DOMAIN  J will define the names UCX$INET_DOMAIN, UCX$INET_HOST and UCX$INET_HOSTADDR! in the system table in user mode.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:16:33 -0700,) From: David Leinbach <leinbach@telus.net>I Subject: Re: VAXAStation 3100t) Message-ID: <397CF881.9FD2397B@telus.net>   J Thank you for your replies ... I plan to work on getting it up and runningI this weekend if I can.  Will probably let you know of any problems that I  encounter and can't figure out.0   Thanks again   David Leinbach wrote:   H > I just received a VAXStation 3100 (model 38 I believe -- the model tagF > on the back says VS42A-AA) and I am wondering what I need to run it.H > All I received was the main box, a power cord, and a cord that has theH > RJ11 type connector with the offset tab (for lack of a better name) atE > one end an an RJ45 connector at the other.  As I understand it fromsJ > Compaq's site, I can connect it to another computer to run from (would aF > Win2K machine work?) but they weren't clear on how other than sayingJ > that I must change S3 to the up position.  As well, I keep hearing aboutH > hobbyists licenses for OpenVMS, where can I get this and how much does > it cost?  Thanks >- > DavidT   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 02:02:06 GMT  From: devo_x@my-deja.com Subject: VMS File Manager-) Message-ID: <8lises$mea$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   C I'm working with an OpenVMS AXP system in a college computer lab --2E After exploring the file structure, I noticed PILOT, the default file2A manager for PINE, as well as SWING -- An additional, customizable  program to organize files --F Do any other file managers exist for VMS that I might be overlooking ?  F I'm at least an INTERMEDIATE User in OpenVms systems -- Which websitesF contain additional commands/undocumented features/administration tools, useful for the advanced user/administrator ? DEVO_X    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:43:51 -0700  From: Jed Rogge <jed@uci.edu>  Subject: VMS mail -> Unix mail' Message-ID: <397CD4B7.27655B8F@uci.edu>   C I have a bunch of old VMS mail accounts on 8mm tape savesets that Ih8 would like to put in readable form on our unix machines.  B I have a unix utility called "vbackup" which allows me to dump theC savesets onto our (True64) unix disks.  This leaves all of the .MAImD files ready to be manipulated into something readable by a unix mailH utility, but the conversion doesn't seem to me to be trivial.  Something readable by pine would be fine.t  H Has anyone written a script to do this?  Is there some easier method I'm overlooking?  ( I'd appreciate any e-mail replies.  TIA.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:28:28 -0400r2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: VMS mail -> Unix mail7 Message-ID: <200007242128_MC2-AD5D-A398@compuserve.com>   H         Since VMS Mail is normally stored in Prolog-3 indexed sequentialH files, you have your work cut out for you!  To make your life still moreJ interesting, messages with bodies larger than about 1500 bytes are stored= , E minus the From:, Subject: and date-time, in separate sequential fileseG pointed to by the indexed sequential file.  The only simple way to readTJ those files is to restore them on a VMS system, use MAIL to extract them = toJ a sequential file and then move the sequential file to your Unix system. =  G Munging that sequential file into something that can be read by mail orM( Mail is relatively simple by comparison!  ! Message text written by Jed RoggefD >I have a bunch of old VMS mail accounts on 8mm tape savesets that I8 would like to put in readable form on our unix machines.  B I have a unix utility called "vbackup" which allows me to dump theC savesets onto our (True64) unix disks.  This leaves all of the .MAIeD files ready to be manipulated into something readable by a unix mailH utility, but the conversion doesn't seem to me to be trivial.  Something readable by pine would be fine.   H Has anyone written a script to do this?  Is there some easier method I'm overlooking? <    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:03:33 -0400l From: quayle@pobox.com" Subject: Re: VMS mail -> Unix mail- Message-ID: <397CCB45.5576.2C08220@localhost>t  
 How about:  ( 1.  Restore the files to the VMS system., 2.  Enable the POP server on the VMS system.8 3.  Read them on your Unix system with pine or whatever.  ? I have 10 years of email on my PC, from half a dozen different D" systems, collected by this scheme.     --Stan  
 ----------G Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671e1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147?= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comT   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:44:54 GMTe% From: dpm@myths.com (David P. Murphy)rE Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/So. Message-ID: <snpe6mi23j193@news.supernews.com>  > Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@sendspamhere.org> wrote:1 > Lorin Ricker <Lorin.Ricker@t-netix.com> writes:e  N >>As an alternative to "free" or shareware (and as a believer in "you get whatM >>you pay for" ;-), you can also check out this most-excellent (pun intended)eM >>XLNT commercial product, which puts "DCL" on *any* kind of billybox Windoze- >>95/98/NT system. >> >>   http://www.advsyscon.com/  H > It'd be a very cold day in hell before I'd install anything from them!  B i am *amazed* that your response is this short and obscenity-free.  G at the risk of causing pain in the vaxcave, i would ask why you (Lorin)rI and others run this, let alone pay money for it?  it seems too much to megF like the "programmers" who write their favorite language regardless ofH the compiler involved, e.g., macros such as this pascality in a .C file:         #define IF     if (B       #define BEGIN  ) {       #define THEN       #define ELSE   } else {        #define END    }  B and so on.  unless you're just doing quick & dirty work on a very C infrequent basis, aren't you better off learning the system the wayn= it is [cough] meant to be used, rather than through a filter?h@ i'm just as big a VMS bigot as anyone else in this group, but is' there anything of actual value in XLNT?i   ok dpme -- k3 David P. Murphy          http://www.myths.com/~dpm/ - systems programmer        ftp://ftp.myths.com-C                          mailto:dpm@myths.com            (personal)lC COGITO ERGO DISCLAMO     mailto:dmurphy@ac-tech.com          (work)-   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Jul 2000 19:15:35 -0500* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)E Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/Si+ Message-ID: <mtCW0dVmARJ9@eisner.decus.org>-  Z In article <397BAB26.1F260C5C@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:( > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:J >> Anyhow, if you can please explain how to copy this file to another fileK >> name, I'd much appreciate it.  It would be even easier if assholes wouldnK >> cease placing useful information into PeeCee specific extraction execut- . >> ables.  What in the hell is wrong with ZIP? > M > Windows is a poor OS, but the windows explorer is something I wouldn't mindtP > having on VMS.  At least some parts of it, and probably a few things done in aP > more VMS manner.  Anything, good or bad, can both be cvarefully made to do the. > job, or misused to the point of uselessness. >   @ There used to be a product out called XFDM, an X-window file and= disk manager.  It was 'explorer-like' in that you had the two A pane disk/directory and file windows and you could 'point-n-clik' ? to get things done.  You could do stuff locally and remotely.   8 HIS Software used to produce it and sell it for cheap.    > Kind of a slick tool, along with the X queue manager and the X@ UAF manager.  All pointy, all cliky, all the time.  I don't know& if the products are still out there.     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:04:02 -0700"! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com?E Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S C Message-ID: <OFFB50ECC3.E628A5A0-ON88256926.00791B00@HEALTHNET.COM>w  G According to my Windows-competant friend (yes, such people do exist) ituK doesn't actually copy the file contents to the clipboard, just a pointer to:E the file. At the "paste" stage, the actual contents get copied to the. destination.   Shanes          : Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@COMPAQ.COM> on 07/24/2000 05:21:06 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:r  F Subject:  Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S     Phil Howell wrote:  I > When you "copy" a file in this way, it really means "take a copy of theEI > contents of this file and store it in your clipboard". If you then do ao. > "paste" it should create a copy of the file.  I (genuine) Question:  is this still the way to copy, say, a 2 Gbyte file ?e   The mind boggles.r  	 Roy Omondo Blue Bubble Ltd., (certainly not speaking on behalf of Compaq)   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:55:06 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)kE Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S 0 Message-ID: <009ED929.25443F61@SendSpamHere.ORG>  V In article <snpe6mi23j193@news.supernews.com>, dpm@myths.com (David P. Murphy) writes:? >Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@sendspamhere.org> wrote:-2 >> Lorin Ricker <Lorin.Ricker@t-netix.com> writes: >tO >>>As an alternative to "free" or shareware (and as a believer in "you get whatyN >>>you pay for" ;-), you can also check out this most-excellent (pun intended)N >>>XLNT commercial product, which puts "DCL" on *any* kind of billybox Windoze >>>95/98/NT system.4 >>>1 >>>   http://www.advsyscon.com/- >-I >> It'd be a very cold day in hell before I'd install anything from them!c >.C >i am *amazed* that your response is this short and obscenity-free.2  1 "A dead body revenges not injuries."  -- W. Blakea  H >at the risk of causing pain in the vaxcave, i would ask why you (Lorin)J >and others run this, let alone pay money for it?  it seems too much to me  H "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm* not sure about the former!" -- A. Einstein  G >like the "programmers" who write their favorite language regardless ofhI >the compiler involved, e.g., macros such as this pascality in a .C file:a >n >      #define IF     if ( >      #define BEGIN  ) {O >      #define THENA >      #define ELSE   } else { >      #define END    }t >eC >and so on.  unless you're just doing quick & dirty work on a very rD >infrequent basis, aren't you better off learning the system the way> >it is [cough] meant to be used, rather than through a filter?A >i'm just as big a VMS bigot as anyone else in this group, but is ( >there anything of actual value in XLNT?  9 "Need or greed, neither waxes or wanes."  -- old proverb.  --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:24:56 +1000 / From: "Phil Howell" <howellp@snowyhydro.com.au>0E Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S-3 Message-ID: <K%5f5.45627$N4.1639529@ozemail.com.au>t  1 Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@compaq.com> wrote in message $ news:397C34B2.FA7B726F@compaq.com... > Phil Howell wrote: >.K > > When you "copy" a file in this way, it really means "take a copy of theVK > > contents of this file and store it in your clipboard". If you then do aA0 > > "paste" it should create a copy of the file. > K > (genuine) Question:  is this still the way to copy, say, a 2 Gbyte file ?o why not?K my understanding is that the o/s will copy the file in exactly the same waywE whether you ctrl-c/ctrl-v right-click drag&drop or use a command liner@ (that's not to say robocopy or whatever may not to a better job) >  > The mind boggles.  >w > Roy Omond  > Blue Bubble Ltd.. > (certainly not speaking on behalf of Compaq) >s >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:19:39 -0700h3 From: Jojimbo <jgesslingNOjgSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid> E Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/Sa9 Message-ID: <1620b580.09dd7413@usw-ex0102-084.remarq.com>s  . Wow!  With an original subject line containing; "Satan" and "OS".  It's not surprising you can't figure outh8 something so simple.  Have you considered using the tool; available rather than cursing it?  Did you know intuitively-< how to copy a file on VMS the first time you tried it?  Sure> it's copy <source> <destination>.  So then why then is Macro32% full of: verb <destination> <source>?   = I think some of you should open your eyes and see there are a1 few more worlds out there.   Jimo    ; -----------------------------------------------------------C  7 Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.  Up to 100 minutes free!f http://www.keen.como   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:12:23 -0400n/ From: "Paul A. Jacobi" <Paul.Jacobi@compaq.com>tU Subject: Re: What graphics cards are supported by OpenVMS on a AlphaServer 400 4/233?s+ Message-ID: <8libmj$rum$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>   7 "Alan Frisbie" <abuse@flying-disk.com> wrote in messages news:oNrtn5oPEguA@flying...i> > I recently ordered several ELSA Gloria Synergy cards.   What< > arrived was the ELSA Synergy II.   Is this card compatibleA > enough to also work (I won't even think of saying "supported")?e  K The ELSA Gloria Synergy card is based upon the Permedia2 graphics.  This isa what isf supported by OpenVMS.d  L For the Synergy II, I believe ELSA switched over to Nvida TNT chipset, which there, is no OpenVMS driver support.r     Paul A. Jacobi Compaq Computer Corporationj! OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14- 110 Spitbrook Road Nashua, NH 03062-2698f Email: Paul.Jacobi@compaq.comk   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:44:31 -0700t! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comrT Subject: Re: What graphics cards are supported by OpenVMS on a AlphaServer 4004/233?C Message-ID: <OF1BA869C6.0A660487-ON88256926.007732AE@HEALTHNET.COM>i  J Yes, Elsa used to use Nvidia TNT and TNT2, then they moved onto the NvidiaG GeForce, followed by the GeForce II GTS. All four of these chipsets arecI currently served by the same driver distribution, although the later onesFF use some extensions the older two don't. (I own all four, in different	 machines)   4 The Permidia 2 is very long in the tooth these days.   Shanea          C "Paul A. Jacobi" <Paul.Jacobi@COMPAQ.COM> on 07/24/2000 02:12:23 PMo   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comu cc:C  K Subject:  Re: What graphics cards are supported by OpenVMS on a AlphaServere       400 4/233?      7 "Alan Frisbie" <abuse@flying-disk.com> wrote in messageh news:oNrtn5oPEguA@flying...p> > I recently ordered several ELSA Gloria Synergy cards.   What< > arrived was the ELSA Synergy II.   Is this card compatibleA > enough to also work (I won't even think of saying "supported")?e  K The ELSA Gloria Synergy card is based upon the Permedia2 graphics.  This is- what is- supported by OpenVMS.-  F For the Synergy II, I believe ELSA switched over to Nvida TNT chipset, whichm thereb is no OpenVMS driver support.a     Paul A. Jacobi Compaq Computer Corporationn! OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14n 110 Spitbrook Road Nashua, NH 03062-2698n Email: Paul.Jacobi@compaq.com-   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:23:50 GMTm% From: Thomas Wirt <twirt@kittles.com>:< Subject: Re: Where can I get older version of Apache for VMS) Message-ID: <8li1jh$2cr$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   H In article <y44s5j53aw.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>,C   Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>> wrote:: > Does it _have_ to be Apache? Why not use the OSU server? >  > 	Jan >eH Actually OSU would be fine.  I just need something that I can install onF VMS 7.1 UCX 4.2 without spend any money or a lot of time.  Any VMS WebG server would be fine.  Keep in mind that 6 months from now I will be onE! TCP 5.0 and will be using Apache.s  F Thanks for the help!  Sorry for the delay in my response, but Deja was" not treating me so well on Friday.     -- Thomas Wirte VMS and NT Systems Manager Kittle's Home Furnishings- Indianapolis, Indiana, USA    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:48:06 +0930 A From: "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrobx@stmarksx.ppx.catholicx.edux.aux>r< Subject: Re: Where can I get older version of Apache for VMS3 Message-ID: <1G7f5.45682$N4.1641100@ozemail.com.au>0  2 "Thomas Wirt" <twirt@kittles.com> wrote in message# news:8li1jh$2cr$1@nnrp1.deja.com...  > In article= <y44s5j53aw.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>,hE >   Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>a > wrote:< > > Does it _have_ to be Apache? Why not use the OSU server? > >f > > Jan  > > G > Actually OSU would be fine.  I just need something that I can installs on; > VMS 7.1 UCX 4.2 without spend any money or a lot of time.o# > Any VMS Web server would be fine.t  D Then you may also wish to consider WASD.  It has a lot of additional features and is F also freeware. It was written specifically for VMS systems, unlike the originally Unixd- Apache server.  We host a beta site for WASD.T  = Have a look at http://www.stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au/ht_root/2 if you want to see it at work.  E The following is the primary distribution site for full packages, new 9 versions, updates, bugfixes, other support packages, etc.p http://wasd.vsm.com.au/wasd/ ftp://ftp.vsm.com.au/wasd/H The info-WASD mailing list and other resources are also provided by this site.c  2 > Keep in mind that 6 months from now I will be on# > TCP 5.0 and will be using Apache.   / Oh?  Some particular reason for wanting Apache?A   Cheers  
 Geoff Roberts- Computer Systems Manager Saint Mark's College Port Pirie,a South Australiai6 geoffrob at stmarks dot pp dot catholic dot edu dot au ICQ: 1970476   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.412 ************************