1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 25 Jul 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 413       Contents:- Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working - Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working C CETS2000 Registration is open but not working (was: ...and working)  Comedy - Before the Computer( Re: Corrupt 000000.DIR  (was: RE: Help!) Re: DECW TCP Keepalive Re: Fortune cookies? Re: Fortune cookies? Re: Fortune cookies?4 Re: got to remember to STOP trying to use OpenVMS... Re: GS140 write I/O wall	 RE: Help! C Re: I/O caching and UNIX evaluations (was: Re: got to remember ...)  Image Backup problem Re: Image Backup problem RE: Image Backup problem. Re: Limit a UIC group access to a number of 501 Re: Mlucas performance probelm - need expert help ( Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com( Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com( Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com( Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com Re: PGPi and OpenVMS Re: PGPi and OpenVMS6 Programming examples for the Generic SCSI Class driver: Re: Programming examples for the Generic SCSI Class driver2 Re: Question about OSMS optical storage on old Vax/ RE: Re[2]: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com / Re: Re[2]: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com / Re: Re[2]: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com / RE: Re[2]: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com / RE: Re[2]: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com  Sendmail Re: Shareable images snmp master agent for VMS  Re: snmp master agent for VMS ! RE: Stirrings in the undergrowth? ! Re: Stirrings in the undergrowth? ! Re: Stirrings in the undergrowth?  The Economist on CPQ DEC merger # Re: The Economist on CPQ DEC merger # Re: The Economist on CPQ DEC merger  Re: UCX and TCPWATCH Re: Using CMS and NFS 4 Vacancy exists : VMS Junior Sys Admin, Bracknell, UK Re: VMS File Manager Re: VMS mail -> Unix mail  Re: VMS mail -> Unix mail  Re: VT510 troubleshooting: ;-)< Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S< Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S< Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S< Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S< Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S< Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S< Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S< Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/SA Re: What graphics cards are supported by OpenVMS on a AlphaServer A Re: What graphics cards are supported by OpenVMS on a AlphaServer K Re: What graphics cards are supported by OpenVMS on a AlphaServer 4004/233?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2000 10:33:08 -05001 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) 6 Subject: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working+ Message-ID: <$zxNTw$4Zf2l@eisner.decus.org>   l In article <8lis47$k10$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>, "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> writes:3 > www.CETS2000.com Registration is open and working   	 Yeabut...   K The only option to get through the registration process is via credit card. J What about those of us who need to register via company Purchase Order? InI the past I've filled out the hard copy form, had management sign off, and 9 our purchasing folks issue a PO, followed u with a check.   J How do you register this time if your company is paying for the symposium?  D I called the 800 number on the registration screen yesterday, left a0 message, and still ahven't got a call back yet.    	Bob Kaplow	  E SPAM:	spamrecycle@ChooseYourmail.com	uce@ftc.gov	postmaster@127.0.0.1    ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jul 2000 14:49:42 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)6 Subject: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working, Message-ID: <8lk9e6$qe7@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  l In article <8lis47$k10$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>, "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> writes:2 >www.CETS2000.com Registration is open and working >   D Two of the key documents on that page are only in MS Word format.   G Others are in PDF or HTML.  So why are these in MS Word format when PDF E would do just as well for any fancy formatting and is more portable?     David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2000 11:02:33 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) L Subject: CETS2000 Registration is open but not working (was: ...and working)+ Message-ID: <D3VZTGxX8HLB@eisner.decus.org>   _ In article <$zxNTw$4Zf2l@eisner.decus.org>, kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) writes: n > In article <8lis47$k10$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>, "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> writes:4 >> www.CETS2000.com Registration is open and working >  > Yeabut...  > M > The only option to get through the registration process is via credit card. L > What about those of us who need to register via company Purchase Order? InK > the past I've filled out the hard copy form, had management sign off, and ; > our purchasing folks issue a PO, followed u with a check.  > L > How do you register this time if your company is paying for the symposium? > F > I called the 800 number on the registration screen yesterday, left a2 > message, and still ahven't got a call back yet.   E For those who don't follow it, discussion on DECUServe indicates that F there are no paper registration forms because the registration processB is too complex to handle on paper.  Something is seriously broken.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:50:01 -0300 1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> % Subject: Comedy - Before the Computer K Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A333759@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>   # > An application was for employment  > A program was a TV show  > A cursor used profanity  > A keyboard was a piano!  > - > Memory was something that you lost with age  > A CD was a bank account " > And if you had a 3 * inch floppy > You hoped nobody found out!  > + > Compress was something you did to garbage ! > Not something you did to a file ( > And if you unzipped anything in public > You'd be in jail for awhile! > " > Log on was adding wood to a fire( > Hard drive was a long trip on the road% > A mouse pad was where a mouse lived ( > And a backup happened to your commode! > " > Cut, you did with a pocket knife > Paste, you did with glue > A web was a spider's home  > And a virus was the flu! > ( > I guess I'll stick to my pad and paper > And the memory in my head J > I hear nobody's been killed in a computer crash But when it happens they > wish they were dead! >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they L are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying  of this message is prohibited.   Bank of Bermuda F **********************************************************************   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jul 2000 15:34:19 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)1 Subject: Re: Corrupt 000000.DIR  (was: RE: Help!) 6 Message-ID: <8lkc1r$f0l$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  \ In article <rgif5.28$aW6.1590@news.pacbell.net>, "Yakov Lipkin" <yakovl@rmortho.com> writes:M :I used command "set file/nodir" on MicroVAX II and accidentally deleted root E :folder ([000000]) on data disk.  System in work condition right now. G :"analyze/disk_structure/repaire" gave msg 'bad directory file format'. H :I don't need to restore data, but I can not use this disk now.  I don't :have documentation at all.   F   Mount the disk, perform a full BACKUP/IMAGE (lest something else go F   wrong and you have no way back) and then tweak the attached program F   to target the 000000.DIR file...  (I've updated the FID, as the FID C   of 000000.DIR is known.  You will need to set the target device.) H   (BTW, it's been a long time since I've tested or built this tool, but "   it did work twelve years ago...)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   	--   - 	.title	    SETDIRBIT fixes the DIRECTORY bit  	;- 	; Copyright 2000 Compaq Computer Corporation  	;= 	; this program is used to turn on the "DIRECTORY" bit in the : 	; file header.  The file (more correctly directory) to be> 	; reset is specified by FID (file identification) and device.< 	; (The FID can be retrieved from a DIRECTORY/FULL command.) 	;1 	;   a) Put the FID into the "fid" buffer, below.  	;< 	;   b) The device the FID is from must also be plugged into 	;	the "dev" descriptor, below.  	;> 	; The UCHAR field is protected -- see the I/O Abuser's Guide,= 	; Part I, ACP/QIO Interface.  (SYSTEM or OWNER access to the ! 	; file (directory) is required.)  	;7 	; 11-Apr-1988	Stephen Hoffman, DIGITAL Equipment Corp. 9 	;	This was written up...  No claims to style or content: 8 	;	intended simply to solve a one-shot problem.  MINIMAL# 	;	error checking and user-hostile!  	;" 	.library    'Sys$Library:LIB.Mlb'  ) 	$atrdef	    ; File attribute definitions # 	$fchdef	    ; File characteristics % 	$fibdef	    ; File Information Block  	$iodef	    ; I/O definitions ( 	$ssdef	    ; System Service Definitions  ) 	.psect	    data,wrt,noexe,long,noshr,usr   7 fid:	;   A file id (FID) looks like this: [NUM,SEQ,RVN]  	.word	    4		    ; file NUM 	.word	    4		    ; file SEQ 	.word	    0		    ; file RVN* 	.word	    0		    ; (so we can use a MOVQ) 	;6 dev:	; And the name of the disk the file id is from... 	.ascid	    /HSC000$DUA2:/ 	;, iosb:	.blkw	    4		    ; garden variety IOSB 	;- fchan:	.blkw	    1		    ; channel to the disk  	;$ FIBSIZE=22			    ; use the short FIB5 fibbuf:	.blkb	    FIBSIZE	    ; here's the FIB itself 6 fib:	.long	    FIBSIZE	    ; here's the FIB descriptor 	.address    fibbuf  	;A uchar:	.blkb	    ATR$S_UCHAR	    ; the FAT characteristics buffer , fat:	; The File Attributes itemlist follows:1 	.word	    ATR$S_UCHAR	    ; length of the buffer 2 	.word	    ATR$C_UCHAR	    ; address of the buffer4 	.address    uchar	    ; where the UCHAR field is...) 	.blkq	    0		    ; zero marks the end...  	;' 	.psect	    code,nowrt,exe,long,shr,usr  	.entry	    SETDIRBIT, ^M<R2>  	; 	; Get a channel to the device 	; 	$ASSIGN_S - 	    devnam=dev,-  	    chan=fchan  	blbs	    r0,10$ 	ret 	; 10$:	;: 	; Move the two important "bits" of trivia out to the FIB. 	; 	moval	fibbuf,R0 	movq	fid,FIB$W_FID(R0) " 	movl	#FIB$M_WRITE,FIB$L_ACCTL(R0) 	; 	; Access the file (directory) 	;
 	$QIOW_S - 	    chan=fchan,- % 	    func=#<IO$_ACCESS!IO$M_ACCESS>,-  	    iosb=IOSB,-
 	    p1=fib,-  	    p5=#fat 	blbc	    r0,19$ 	blbs	    iosb,20$ 19$:	ret 	; 20$:	; 	; Force the DIRECTORY bit on! 	;! 	bisl2	    #FCH$M_DIRECTORY,uchar  	;, 	; Write the modified characteristics out... 	;
 	$QIOW_S - 	    chan=fchan,-  	    func=#<IO$_MODIFY>,-  	    iosb=IOSB,-
 	    p1=fib,-  	    p5=#fat 	blbc	    r0,29$ 	blbs	    iosb,30$ 29$:	ret 	; 30$:	;$ 	; And deaccess the file (directory) 	;
 	$QIOW_S - 	    chan=fchan,-  	    func=#<IO$_DEACCESS>,-  	    iosb=IOSB 	blbc	    r0,39$ 	blbs	    iosb,40$ 39$:	ret 	; 40$:	;# 	; Deassign the channel to the disk  	; 	$DASSGN_S - 	    chan=fchan  	movzwl	    #SS$_NORMAL,R0 	; 	; And bail out... 	; 	ret 	.END	    SETDIRBIT    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:43:39 +0200 . From: "Jesper Naur" <jesper.naur@post.tele.dk> Subject: Re: DECW TCP Keepalive , Message-ID: <8lkca6$epg$1@news.inet.tele.dk>  J > Is there a way to automatically enable TCP keepalive for DECWindows over  > TCP, or even for TCP globally?  G The global TCP protocol parameter "Probe timer" specifies the number of K seconds between keepalive messages on each open TCP connection. You can say    $ TCPIP SHOW PROTOCOL TCP/PARAM   )  to see the current value. To set it, use   , $ TCPIP SET PROTOCOL TCP/PROBE_TIMER=<value>  F The default out-of-the-box value is 150 seconds (for newer versions ofL TCPIP, for older versions of UCX, 4.x and earlier, it was 75 seconds) so I'mI sligthly surprised, that you have this problem at all - but maybe someone 8 deliberately set the parameter to some very large value.  B You can always find out about the actual traffic, EITHER by saying   $ TCPIP SHOW DEVICE   < which will show all the open TCP/IP connections, followed by    $ TCPIP SHOW DEVICE BG<xxx>/FULL  J which will give you full information on a single connection, including I/OH and byte counts. Note, that X connections usually have remote port 6000.  D OR, if you really need to know everything, use TCPTRACE, for example  F $ TCPTRACE <node name/IP address> /OUTPUT=<file>/PACKET=<large number>  G > I'm trying to run X through a NAT firewall (Firewall-1).  Problem is, = > applications not in focus time out after around 15 minutes.   K Maybe you should try to look into where this 15 minutes timeout comes from. E Is it really the firewall, and what are the exact conditions for this K timeout to trigger? Perhaps, if a certain minimum traffic is required, then L the keepalive traffic may not be sufficient, in which case you will probably= need a discussion with the firewall-manager about your needs.   E >   (Motif version I don't know, or more precisely, don't know how to  > find.)  . Session Manager -> Help -> Product Information       Best regards     Jesper Naur    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:02:30 +0200 (MET)  From: ZINSER@sysdev.exchange.de  Subject: Re: Fortune cookies? 3 Message-ID: <01JS6HVUDRZM9JESU1@sysdev.exchange.de>    Hello!  ; 	A OpenVMS version of a fortune cookie program can be found  	at   1 	http://www.decus.de:8080/www/vms/sw/cookie.htmlx    				Greetings, Martin   : > From:	IN%"INFO-VAX@MVB.SAIC.COM" 18-JUL-2000 03:59:14.85 > Subj:	Fortune cookies?   > Try: > ; > http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/games/amusements/fortune  > # > That should have what you need...  >  >  > --Stan >  > ----------I > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671 3 > 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 ? > Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com P Dr. Martin P.J. Zinser                                 zinser@sysdev.exchange.de2 Deutsche Boerse Systems AG                        O Koenigsberger Str. 29                                  Tel: +49 69 2101 5634    L 60284 Frankfurt                                        FAX: +49 69 2101 3411P Germany                                                Private:  zinser@decus.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:42:46 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  Subject: Re: Fortune cookies? 5 Message-ID: <01JS728M7EHU0026JW@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>    >Hello!  > < >	A OpenVMS version of a fortune cookie program can be found >	at   > 2 >	http://www.decus.de:8080/www/vms/sw/cookie.htmlx    L Any fortune cookie or "quote of the day" is remarkably easy to write in any N language.  The major problem is in increasing your "quotes" database.  I have Q lost track of where colleagues picked up quotes from.  I know that one source is  * Art Ragosta's database of pithy sayings.    L If anyone needs a copy of what we have collected, email me because I do not N think any are copyright.  Pithy comments from Art and colleagues, and others, K and newspaper headlines, some added from .au papers that are as bad as any  ( others.  (Art, do you have a copyright?)   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development, 
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australia    Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people, ; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:53:35 -0700t7 From: "Arthur E. Ragosta" <ragosta@merlin.arc.nasa.gov>e Subject: Re: Fortune cookies?r3 Message-ID: <397DA9EF.45D77AC9@merlin.arc.nasa.gov>   & paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote:  M > If anyone needs a copy of what we have collected, email me because I do notoO > think any are copyright.  Pithy comments from Art and colleagues, and others,pL > and newspaper headlines, some added from .au papers that are as bad as any* > others.  (Art, do you have a copyright?)  F As it states in the documentation... most of the cookies are blatantly plagiarized.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:22:50 +0100h- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> = Subject: Re: got to remember to STOP trying to use OpenVMS...o) Message-ID: <397DBEDA.7554D8B1@bbc.co.uk>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:  2 > In article <009ED1C1.E902AB54@SendSpamHere.ORG>,B >  system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes: > |>N > |> That's another sore spot.  Is it time for a list of applicable oxymorons?K > |> Methinks so.  Try these for a start: "Standard Unix" and "Portable C".w >aE > First of all, I do not know of anyone in the Unix camp who has ever2B > claimed there is such a thing as "Standard Unix".  That seems to- > remain the claim of people like VMS bigots.   > Because, the standardization issue was one reason people moved- in droves from VMS to unix over a decade ago.i     >t >uB > And secondly, C is as portable as any other language.  If you goA > to the trouble to write portable code and never use any vendorsmB > extensions or additions and never make any assumptions about theB > underlying hardware you can write portable code in any language.? > But then, you probably wouldn't accomplish much more than the @ > most trivial of programs.  Which is why all those vendors wentE > to the trouble of creating all those extensions in the first place.  >a  E So, you are saying the "standard" is inadequate to allow one to writeS* code that is both functional and portable?   >aD > If you don't like Unix, at least stick to real arguments otherwise< > it ends out being just like trying to teach a pig to sing. >S >e  D Unix is OK, if you ain't got nothing much else to do with your life.     --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uke  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:21:30 GMT / From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>.! Subject: Re: GS140 write I/O wallcF Message-ID: <eDff5.8057$RG6.682993@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  I I sure hope you get an answer, one way or the other, and share the answer" withK us.  I suspect you will get more requests for details of your configurationr and A your testing procedures.  Are you using DWLPBs?  (how many)  Whath> controllers do you have driving your disks? Other details...??  L The reason I answered is that I may have also seen this 25MB limit, although4 somewhat differently and less specifically than you.  G I have an Alpha 8400 with four CIPCAs attached to a farm full of HSJ52srK supporting disks.  I also have 6 scsi adapters supporting twelve (two each)eA DLT 7000s.  When we do BACKUP from disk to tape, the best thruputaD I have achieved is almost exactly 25 MB/sec.  I was glad to see that however,# and thought I was doing a good job.@  L Now though, we plan to replace 3 VAX 7860s with two Enterprise class Alphas,F (probably GS140s). Our VAXes house very high IO applications, and even thoughF I am sure the Alphas will outclass them, I want to outclass them to an embarassinge degree. :-)1    4 "Doug W." <dashw459@aol.comeatspam> wrote in message4 news:20000724191428.16587.00001172@ng-fi1.aol.com...C > We have run into a curious and unexpected I/O wall on the GS 140.  Briefly, noSJ > matter how many controllers, disks  or processes are utilized, qio writeB > bandwidth to the disks never totals more 25MB.  Note the 'write' bandwidth.  WeL > have no trouble with read bandwidth.  It increases pretty much as expected as" > disks and controllers are added. >-F > We have tried several versions of VMS (7.1-2 & 7.2) and all kinds of	 hardware.iH > Different shelves, cables and controllers.  Compaq SCSI 2 controllers, CompaqH > dual Ultra SCSI cards and even an unsanctioned Ultra 2 controller fromD > Intraserver.  The results never vary, we hit a write wall at 25MB. >eH > These results were completely unexpected.  Initially we assumed we had doneH > something silly.  But as each version of the hardware hit the wall, we removed.D > it from the GS140 and placed it into an ES40.  All versions of the hardwareL > configurations work just fine in an ES40.  We have been forced to conclude that3 > the 25MB I/O write wall is inherent in the GS140.  >hL > Does anyone know what might cause this type of behavior in a GS140 and why itF > does not occur in an ES40?  What could limit write bandwidth but not effect# > read bandwidth?  Any suggestions?o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:21:10 -0700y) From: "Yakov Lipkin" <yakovl@rmortho.com>n Subject: RE: Help!0 Message-ID: <rgif5.28$aW6.1590@news.pacbell.net>  L I used command "set file/nodir" on MicroVAX II and accidentally deleted rootB folder ([000000]) on data disk.System in work condition right now.F "analyze/disk_structure/repaire" gave msg 'bad directory file format'.G I don't need to restore data, but I can not use this disk now.  I don'tm have documentation at all.' Please, help me to restore this folder.D   Sank you in advance.  
         Yakovb   yakovl@rmortho.com  3 PS. You can send msg on russian. I am able to read.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:38:22 +0100m- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>nL Subject: Re: I/O caching and UNIX evaluations (was: Re: got to remember ...)) Message-ID: <397DB46E.3E37EC4E@bbc.co.uk>a   > In article <rdeininger-1507001131360001@user-2ivebf7.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:a > > G > >When I read that the new GS-series machines REQUIRE a billy-box as aaJ > >system console, I almost fell out of my chair.  24x7x365, or until your" > >console goes BSOD.  Good Grief! >y >d  Q Come on, its a server, use a Vt520 or a graphics head if you must for the console M and if you need a big X screen then use NT and the X emulator of your choice.   L Then again, I can't image you will be issuing >>> command on the console PC.- Or are the new GS machines really that weird?*   5k for a console PC. !     --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukr  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:37:59 +0200y- From: "Sandrine Treheux" <satr@memo.ikea.com>d Subject: Image Backup problemf, Message-ID: <8ljned$2d9$1@mailgate.ikea.com>   Hello everybody,  @ I have an image backup problem on a VAX 3100-95 running VMS 6.2.H I started an image backup from a disk to a tape and got stuck on a file.K This was not a big file but a very small one. I copied this file to get oneCC with a higher version and marked the one with the lowest version asnL nobackup. When I restart the image backup, no more problem until I got stuckI on an other file. I tried the same thing with this new file, restarted anoF other image backup and got the same problem once more on an other one.I What looks strange to me is that I did not get any errors when I analysedi	 the disk.g
 Any idea ?   Br/Sandrine' satr@memo.ikea.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:58:45 GMTt/ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>B! Subject: Re: Image Backup problem F Message-ID: <Vhff5.8048$RG6.681005@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  I Don't know what is causing the problem, but it sounds like you are on thefD right track (data corruption).  This could potentiallyi be caused by hardware" errors,  disk defragmenters etc...  ; My question to you is about Analyze?  Are you including the-F /READ qualifier?  If not, you are not reading the data blocks and will# not detect errors inside the files.n  8 "Sandrine Treheux" <satr@memo.ikea.com> wrote in message& news:8ljned$2d9$1@mailgate.ikea.com... > Hello everybody, >0B > I have an image backup problem on a VAX 3100-95 running VMS 6.2.J > I started an image backup from a disk to a tape and got stuck on a file.I > This was not a big file but a very small one. I copied this file to getc one;E > with a higher version and marked the one with the lowest version as H > nobackup. When I restart the image backup, no more problem until I got stuckmK > on an other file. I tried the same thing with this new file, restarted anRH > other image backup and got the same problem once more on an other one.K > What looks strange to me is that I did not get any errors when I analysed  > the disk.- > Any idea ? >m
 > Br/Sandrinei > satr@memo.ikea.com >  >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:11:51 -0300n1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>r! Subject: RE: Image Backup problemiK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A33374F@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>F   Hi,r  A 	Sounds like in some way the file header is buggered, it would be/L interesting to see the log and a few CTRL+T's.  Marking a file nobackup onlyH means the internal data of the file will not be backed up, the header isK still created on the tape, have you tried renaming the file and renaming itdG back this should create a new file header and you may have better luck.e  ' Just guessing but this is what I'd try.s - Darren   > ----------2 > From: 	Sandrine Treheux[SMTP:satr@memo.ikea.com]' > Sent: 	Tuesday, July 25, 2000 6:37 AMh > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: 	Image Backup problem >  > Hello everybody, > B > I have an image backup problem on a VAX 3100-95 running VMS 6.2.J > I started an image backup from a disk to a tape and got stuck on a file.I > This was not a big file but a very small one. I copied this file to get: > onedE > with a higher version and marked the one with the lowest version as H > nobackup. When I restart the image backup, no more problem until I got > stucklK > on an other file. I tried the same thing with this new file, restarted anhH > other image backup and got the same problem once more on an other one.K > What looks strange to me is that I did not get any errors when I analysedr > the disk.; > Any idea ? > 
 > Br/Sandrine" > satr@memo.ikea.com >  >  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and,J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyFL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingp of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudarF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:22:48 +01000- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> 7 Subject: Re: Limit a UIC group access to a number of 50 ) Message-ID: <397DCCE8.D776D259@bbc.co.uk>   K OK, I think I understand your problem definition, and just because I havn't- beenL coding lexicals for a few days I put this together in 15 mins. Its only been slightly tested,L and I can't figure right now why the F$CONTEXT only works if I leave off the "EQL",H which throws a DCL warning but otherwise works fine. Btw this is quite a trivial task  for experienced VMS programmers.  A Drop it in your system login once you are sure that it meets yourw
 requirements.eJ You absolutely use this code at your own risk. If you want support, pay me	 well :-).   > $ IF P1 .EQS. "" THEN P1 = 100          ! Default group is 100E $ IF P2 .EQS. "" THEN P2 = 50           ! Max users allowed in group,o
 default 50
 $ ctx = "" $ num_users_in_group = 01 $ temp = F$CONTEXT ("PROCESS", ctx, "GRP", 'P1, )I $next_process: $   pid = F$PID (ctx)h/ $   IF pid .EQS. "" THEN GOTO no_more_processese/ $   num_users_in_group = num_users_in_group + 1  $   GOTO next_process  $ no_more_processes:" $ IF (num_users_in_group .GT. 'P2) $ THENA $   WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "-E-, maximum users exceeded for this group,  terminating pr ocess"
 $   logout $ ENDIFl $ exit    L btw if I enter the final "EQL" parameter in F$CONTEXT it doesn't throw a DCL	 error butc0 also doesn't match any processes :-(. Any ideas?   trdorr@my-deja.com wrote:n  , > Thanks for the suggestion for MAXACCTJOBS.I > However,MAXACCTJOBS does not address the solution. I want to be able touE > limit the number of users in a UIC group to not be able to login ifn1 > there are more than 50 users in that UIC group.a > - > In article <imljMdqAolO$@eisner.decus.org>,e> >   Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:H > > In article <8l2f23$a5n$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, trdorr@my-deja.com writes:I > > > Is there some way or program or utility to limit a UIC group to notiJ > > > exceed a given number of logins? There is a need to keep a UIC groupE > > > to a limit to not use the total number of licenses by a layeredeF > > > application. Our layered application grants a total number but I > need: > > > to limit a UIC group to not use more than 50 logins. > >-     --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofn MedAS or the BBC./   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:12:56 -0400r2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger): Subject: Re: Mlucas performance probelm - need expert helpL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2507001112560001@user-2ive6at.dialup.mindspring.com>  R In article <39787101.C372FAFE@compaq.com>, Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@compaq.com> wrote:   > Jan Vorbrueggen wrote:N > > PS: So what is page colouring? The L2/L3 caches of the 21154 and 21264 areM > > larger than the page size multiplied by their associativity, and they use M > > physical addresses. It thus can happen that two pages that wouldn't see a O > > cache conflict when using virtual addresses happen to be mapped to physical O > > addresses that are identical in the relevant address bits and thus clash in M > > the cache. Page colouring means that the page fault handler endeavours toeN > > obtain a page from the free list such that this is unlikely to happen, forO > > instance by using a physical page whose relevant address bits are identicaliM > > to the virtual address being mapped. The VMS page fault handler currently	H > > operates FIFO on the free page list and is oblivious to this effect. > @ > Mmmm... VMS's page colouring is set to "monochrome" by default7 > (SYSGEN parameter PFN_COLOR_COUNT).  You *can* set itnJ > to be colourful;  if you do, please take ZERO_LIST_HI into consideration
 > also !).  G Ok, this may be useful.  I did not know about this parameter.  From thes* OpenVMS System Utilities Reference Manual:   PFN_COLOR_COUNTd  (Alpha only) PFN_COLOR_COUNT specifies the number of buckets (colors) into which all members of the zeroed page list and all unencumbered members of the free page list are sorted.  OpenVMS Alpha systems might derive a preferred page color from a request to map a given virtual page and attempt to map that virtual page to a PFN of matching "color." This results in less variance in which cache blocks are used when accessing that page. This might or might not improve performance, depending on the application. t   This special parameter is used by Compaq and is subject to change. Do not change this parameter unless Compaq recommends that you do so. If you increase this parameter, you must also increase the ZERO_LIST_HI system parameter. .   ZERO_LIST_HI (A,D)   (Alpha only) ZERO_LIST_HI is the maximum number of pages zeroed and put on the zeroed page list. This list is used as a cache of pages containing all zeros, which improves the performance of allocating such pages.     L Is there any guidance available about how much to increase ZERO_LIST_HI whenG I increase PFN_COLOR_COUNT?  Right now, my PFN_COLOR_COUNT is 1, and myrM ZERO_LIST_HI is 640.  Should I add 640 to zero_list_hi for each unit increasee pfn_color_count?    F > There's no magic formula for the best settings for these parameters;C > you'll have to test combinations until you find the best for youru; > particular application.  Unfortunately PFN_COLOR_COUNT is 1 > not dynamic, so each change requires rebooting.G  C This will be difficult, since I haven't come up with a reliable way G to measure the magnitude of the problem.  But it's better than nothing.    -- a Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:12:12 GMTd7 From: Johnny Billquist <Johnny.Billquist@netinsight.se>t1 Subject: Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.coml- Message-ID: <397D760B.AFCE7FDA@netinsight.se>    Rob Young wrote: > i > In article <397C310D.DE567F57@netinsight.se>, Johnny Billquist <Johnny.Billquist@netinsight.se> writes:n >  > >rH > > If you mean that COMPAQ will sell VMS off, I have a hard time seeingH > > who on earth would buy it. In a way, DEC (COMPAQ) has painted itselfH > > more into a corner with VMS than with anything else. None but COMPAQ2 > > has an interest in keeping it alive, it seems. > >a > ? >         Umm... maybe you meant to say "who on earth would buydB >         SGI."   Seems SGI is losing money quarter after quarter.  @ True. And I don't see who would buy SGI, without changing a lot.@ From SGI, I'd say customers, the name, and some graphic hardware> are the "lootable" parts. Don't know if the rest can be saved.  $ >         Same can't be said of VMS.  = The fact that VMS is making money don't neccesarily mean that @ someone would want to keep it alive. They might see larger gainsE from being able to migrate all those VMS sites to their own solution.f? Keeping VMS alive requires a lot of investments, resources, andt@ time. What other company would want to pour these resources into VMS?  B COMPAQ *should* have an interest in keeping VMS alive, but I stillD consider COMPAQ a PC dealer, and as such, they don't have the drive,A interest or understanding to push large scale system development.M7 Thus, I wouldn't be surprised if VMS slowly fades away.jB I'd be sad if that happens, but I'm not willing to bet against it.  B > > None but COMPAQ has an interest in keeping it alive, it seems. > G >         Wrong again Johnny.  Large VMS customers would beg to differ. D >         Perhaps you don't believe there are any?  That wouldn't be) >         a correct assumption either ...y  > You are correct that large customers have a different opinion.: I was, however, talking from the developers point of view.  > If large customers wishes ruled, DEC would have looked a *lot*< different, and would hardly be a part of COMPAQ now, which I# think is enough said on that point.i  1 Myself, I'm still an RSX bigot (if that matters).l   	Johnnyh   --  ? Johnny Billquist             |  johnny.billquist@netinsight.net 7 Net Insight AB               |  phone:  +46 8 685 04 88 7 Vstberga All 9             |  fax:    +46 8 685 04 20  Box 42093                    |9 SE-126 30 STOCKHOLM, Sweden  |  http://www.netinsight.netS   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2000 14:38:43 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>a1 Subject: Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com.H Message-ID: <y47laaxu3w.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  9 Johnny Billquist <Johnny.Billquist@netinsight.se> writes:l  ? > The fact that VMS is making money don't neccesarily mean thatsB > someone would want to keep it alive. They might see larger gainsG > from being able to migrate all those VMS sites to their own solution.   D Do you think the customers have no say in whether, when and what to  they will "be migrated"!?    	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:06:49 GMTa7 From: Johnny Billquist <Johnny.Billquist@netinsight.se>q1 Subject: Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.comd- Message-ID: <397D9EF9.1193BB9C@netinsight.se>r   Jan Vorbrueggen wrote: > ; > Johnny Billquist <Johnny.Billquist@netinsight.se> writes:t > A > > The fact that VMS is making money don't neccesarily mean thateD > > someone would want to keep it alive. They might see larger gainsI > > from being able to migrate all those VMS sites to their own solution.e > E > Do you think the customers have no say in whether, when and what tod > they will "be migrated"!?B  E Unfortunately, history seems to imply that they don't. Atleast no thei "when". $ Just ask the (ex) TOPS-20 customers.   	Johnnyo   -- o? Johnny Billquist             |  johnny.billquist@netinsight.nett7 Net Insight AB               |  phone:  +46 8 685 04 88-7 Vstberga All 9             |  fax:    +46 8 685 04 20  Box 42093                    |9 SE-126 30 STOCKHOLM, Sweden  |  http://www.netinsight.net5   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2000 16:39:14 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>w1 Subject: Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.comeH Message-ID: <y4bszm46lp.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  9 Johnny Billquist <Johnny.Billquist@netinsight.se> writes:i  C > > > The fact that VMS is making money don't neccesarily mean thataF > > > someone would want to keep it alive. They might see larger gainsK > > > from being able to migrate all those VMS sites to their own solution.2G > > Do you think the customers have no say in whether, when and what ton > > they will "be migrated"!?UG > Unfortunately, history seems to imply that they don't. Atleast no the7. > "when". Just ask the (ex) TOPS-20 customers.  H Quite. But your premise was "...see larger gains...to migrate...to...ownD solution". _That_, history shows, is an endeavour doomed to failure.   	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2000 14:33:44 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  Subject: Re: PGPi and OpenVMS,H Message-ID: <y4aef6xuc7.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>   quayle@pobox.com writes:  D > Of course, if my client had paid the annual maintenance fee, they B > could sue for breach of contract.  Penny wise and pound foolish.  E With a probablity of success higher than 10^{-6}? I would be greatly yF surprised, or the lawyers writing NA's contracts must have been wildly incompetent.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:15:35 -0500a0 From: Patrick Spinler <Spinler.Patrick@Mayo.EDU> Subject: Re: PGPi and OpenVMS ( Message-ID: <397DAF17.C01D5BE8@Mayo.EDU>  $ Might it be feasible to port GnuPG ?     http://www.gnupg.org/m   (snipped from their webpage)   * Full replacement of PGP. e ...$ * Full OpenPGP implementation. rG * Better functionality than PGP and some security enhancements over PGP. 2. t* * Decrypts and verifies PGP 5.x messages. C * Supports ElGamal (signature and encryption), DSA, 3DES, Blowfish,e Twofish, CAST5, MD5, SHA-1,n ...i   -- Pat   quayle@infinet.com wrote:w > F > > I'm curious.  Is there much call for PGP beyond 2.6.3 for VMS?  Is= > > anyone using S/MIME?  What is the preference around here?e > J > My client has set on PGP for all its file transfers with customers.  AndK > they're telling all their customers to get the 6.5.1 version.  ("It's theg > latest and greatest!") > H > Since the VMS system can't do anything with 6.5 of PGP, the client has; > decided on a Unix solution.  End of story, end of system.  > G > I spoke with the product manager for the "low end" customers, who arerD > upset by a $7500 licensing fee.  There may be hope for VMS yet, byF > adopting some other encryption scheme.  Triple-DES would be cheap...   -- o?       This message does not represent the policies or positionse1 	      of the Mayo Foundation or its subsidaries.t3   Patrick Spinler			email:	Spinler.Patrick@Mayo.EDU '   Mayo Foundation			phone:	507/284-9485    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:10:29 +0200f- From: "Menno van Eck" <m.van.eck@philips.com>m? Subject: Programming examples for the Generic SCSI Class driverl6 Message-ID: <964556468.186@mmisg1.best.ms.philips.com>  J Whe have some troubles using the Generic SCSI Class driver (GK....). If anE error occurs on the SCSI target e.g. Disk Write Protected, We issue aoK Request Sense Command to the target. The result of this statement is a SCSIoJ sense block filled with 0. After investigating the data send to the targetH device we found that the adapter is sending a Request Sense also, so the( information is cleared in the mean time.  I Is there anyone who has some experience with programming for this driver?h% Some programming examples would help.t  
 Menno van Eckh   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:31:37 +0100.* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>C Subject: Re: Programming examples for the Generic SCSI Class drivern+ Message-ID: <8lkbsr$vla@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>I  8 "Menno van Eck" <m.van.eck@philips.com> wrote in message0 news:964556468.186@mmisg1.best.ms.philips.com...  J > After investigating the data send to the target device we found that theH > adapter is sending a Request Sense also, so the information is cleared > in the mean time.t  G What is meant to happen is that the driver issues the request sense andvE then intercepts your request and hands you the data. Or even that the " adapter issues the request itself.  E Unfortunately, this is rather obscurely documented in the 6.2 release-D notes. The relevant chapter disappeared from the I/O users reference8 manual altogether at one point, and is well out of date.  B That's some background anyway. It looks like there may be some bug6 preventing your request sense being handled correctly.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:31:07 +0200n- From: "Menno van Eck" <m.van.eck@philips.com>s; Subject: Re: Question about OSMS optical storage on old Vax 9 Message-ID: <964557705.430156@mmisg1.best.ms.philips.com>o   Hello David,  C By coincidence is was reading in the OSDS manuals of December 1996:       3.3.6  Initialization ExamplestB    With these considerations, you can initialize an optical volume;    just as you would any other OpenVMS volume, but remember 5    to specify the /MAXIMUM_FILES and (optionally) the 5    /DATA_CHECK=WRITE and/or /CLUSTER_SIZE qualifiers.m9    Examples of the initialization sequence for WORM media*    (VAX Only) are:  2    $ INIT /MAX=20000 /DATA_CHECK=WRITE ODA0: OPTIC  2    $ INIT /MAX=100000 /CLUSTER_SIZE=20 ODA0: OPTIC      $ INIT /MAX=6500 ODA0: OPTIC   =    Rewritable optical media can be initialized like any other :    OpenVMS volume. Examples of the initialization sequence    for rewritable media are:      $ INIT ODA0: OPTICl  %    $ INIT /CLUSTER_SIZE=10 ODA0: OPTIe    " I hope this information is usable.. Remember Worm disks can't be initialized twice  
 Greetings, Menno van Eck.  : "David R Barnes" <dbproductions@juno.com> wrote in message4 news:20000724.201910.636.0.dbproductions@juno.com... > Hello all; >-C > I have inherited a system which has an old DEC RW500 optical disktF > library, and has version 3.4 of OSMS software installed. I know thatI > REWRITABLE disks can be initialized, etc just like disks (using virtualeF > devices JBxx), however what is the procedure to prep and init a WORMJ > disk?  Init will not work under VMS, I seem to remember a special seriesF > of steps to init a WORM platter on OSMS , but docs are loong gone... > anyone help on this one? >c >h > Thanks > David Barnes >i > David R Barnes > dbproductions@juno.com5 > =-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-u% > Netbsd 1.3 / Linux / Unix, VMS gurut >eB > ________________________________________________________________* > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!' > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! A > Try it today - there's no risk!  For your FREE software, visit: " > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. >0   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 08:38:51 -0400 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>I8 Subject: RE: Re[2]: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.comJ Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D80528459C@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   Bill,_  H >>> Is the situation better than it was?  Absolutely.  Does it suggest aG bright future for VMS anywhere save at best where it is currently being K used?  No: why would customers not already tied to VMS commit themselves to$L long-term dependence on it in the absence of a far more visible and credible  commitment to VMS by Compaq? <<<  J As you stated, the situation is today much better than the past. Is CompaqJ going to come out and say OpenVMS is going to get much more attention thanE its other OS's ? Does IBM state that any one of its OS's are the bestt< solution or emphasize one of its OS over any of its others ?  F Nope - it would be bad business. Its a multi-platform world and from aC business perspective, companies like Compaq and IBM offer different-8 solutions to Customers that have different requirements.  K The reality is that the industry is changing big time. Almost all CustomerseJ are looking at serious re-centralization projects which push availability,A scalability, reliability and security concerns through the roof. i  I Yes, I (and every other reader on c.o.v) know OpenVMS has suffered during - the distributed computing model of the 90's. y  9 Ok. Fine. How many more times do we need to go over that?   I Perhaps the pace of change is not fast enough for you. However, CustomerslJ like Japan Telecom (recent $24M win), E*Trade, NorthernLight and a slew ofF other Customers (including NEW Customers) are satisfied that Compaq isG serious about OpenVMS. ISE (International Securities Exchange) is a NEWRK Customer that will be offering around the clock services on a global scale. ' They are about to go live anytime now. u  
 Reference:L <http://www.compaq.com/inFORM/issues/issue31/industry-te-040-a7.html> (Japan Telecom $24M win)m9 <http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/gs/quotes/etrade.html>g5 <http://www.openvms.digital.com/gsseries/quotes.html>e  I The COE agreement provides a minimum 15 year statement of ongoing supportsF and development for OpenVMS. How many other vendors have provided such statements?   K As an example of Customers changing their minds about OpenVMS, from a local K perspective, in the last few months, we have had three large Customers comeiD to us for VAX to Alpha migration assistance and I know of at least 4< multi-site OpenVMS SAN clusters taking place here in Canada.  J So, while you are certainly welcome to state your views here, just keep inL mind that many Customers are today changing their minds about OpenVMS.  TheyD do not share your somewhat negative views of the future for OpenVMS.  L By the way, if you received the latest version of Inform Magazine, check outK the back cover. Cognos has a full page ad that is emphasizing (does mentiona- Tru64 and NT as well) offerings for OpenVMS. s  . The ad refers Customers to the following page: <http://www.cognos.com/seeofferd     Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant,
 Compaq Canadai Professional Services  Voice : 613-592-4660 FAX   : 819-772-7036 Email : kerry.main@compaq.comb       -----Original Message-----, From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@foo.mv.com]# Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 3:10 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come8 Subject: Re: Re[2]: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com      5 WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in messaget' news:0033000001255892000002L022*@MHS...    ...         Large ships turn slowly.e  F      But the ship IS turning, and attention is being paid to things at      *high levels*.p  J Attention is being paid (as well it should be, if only to avoid increasingI defections by customers who see *no* future for VMS, let alone a vigorousIJ one), but no significant additional funding appears to have been allocatedH to VMS-specific areas (e.g., general development - as opposed to the COEG efforts targeted at a very specific long-term market - and VMS-specificiI advertising).  So while the ship may no longer be steaming away from VMS,aH it's not at all clear that it has actually turned toward VMS rather than! just steered to a neutral course.h  I      The damage done by DIGITAL and, to a lesser degree, by Compaq before B      it realized what it has in VMS, will not be undone overnight,  L There's no indication that the damage previously done to VMS is being undoneH at all, just that active damage is no longer being inflicted.  *Undoing*I damage would entail compensatory action above and beyond what should haveUA been being done all along:  not only is there no evidence of suchwJ compensatory action, but there's no evidence of anything like the level ofJ promotion/development expenditure one would expect for a system generatingE close to $4 billion/year in revenue (at a profit margin rumored to be-I healthier than about anything else Compaq sells) - even in the absence ofl# compensation for past mis-handling.N    andI      although I don't expect to see things become like the early Nineties G      again, where one could seamlessly go from desktop to mainframe and G      there was a DECwhatever software product to fill that need, I *do* %      sense a revitalization going on.f  J 'Revitalization'?  Perhaps in the sense that VMS is now being *allowed* toK survive as best it can, rather than being actively killed.  Not much beyonde that - yet.   K Is the situation better than it was?  Absolutely.  Does it suggest a bright K future for VMS anywhere save at best where it is currently being used?  No:mJ why would customers not already tied to VMS commit themselves to long-termB dependence on it in the absence of a far more visible and credible commitment to VMS by Compaq?  D It seems likely that Rich Marcello is doing the best he can with theL marginal hand Houston has dealt him after finally allowing VMS to sit at theL table.  And as a corporate team player one can't expect him to complain, butJ just to put the best face on things he can and hope that *some* resurgenceL in VMS's sales despite the paucity of Compaq's efforts will convince Houston3 to give it more slack next year and the year after.r  K But industry competition and evolution may not give VMS a couple more yearssA to prove itself to Compaq and get the funding it needs to be more L competitive.  In which case the current 'renaissance' will merely constitute8 a minor bump in VMS's continuing slide toward obscurity.  J Slowing that slide may be as much as some current VMS customers need.  ForH customers who need more to justify continued use of VMS, it seems likelyG that the person to approach is Mike Capellas.  It has been rumored thateJ customers who migrate off VMS very often migrate to other vendors entirelyK (rather than to other Compaq products) - a point that they should make veryr# clearly if it's applicable to them.    - bill        WWWebb    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2000 15:17:13 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> 8 Subject: Re: Re[2]: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.comH Message-ID: <y44s5exsbq.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  - "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> writes:h  K > Perhaps the pace of change is not fast enough for you. However, Customers L > like Japan Telecom (recent $24M win), E*Trade, NorthernLight and a slew ofH > other Customers (including NEW Customers) are satisfied that Compaq isI > serious about OpenVMS. ISE (International Securities Exchange) is a NEWrM > Customer that will be offering around the clock services on a global scale..) > They are about to go live anytime now. n  J I do hope they forced CPQ to sign a source escrow agreement before buying.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:32:35 -0400a' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>.8 Subject: Re: Re[2]: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com( Message-ID: <8lkbs8$l5n$1@pyrite.mv.net>  4 Main, Kerry <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote in messageD news:910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D80528459C@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com... > Bill,- >-J > >>> Is the situation better than it was?  Absolutely.  Does it suggest aI > bright future for VMS anywhere save at best where it is currently beingoJ > used?  No: why would customers not already tied to VMS commit themselves toE > long-term dependence on it in the absence of a far more visible and  credible" > commitment to VMS by Compaq? <<< >lL > As you stated, the situation is today much better than the past. Is CompaqL > going to come out and say OpenVMS is going to get much more attention thanG > its other OS's ? Does IBM state that any one of its OS's are the bestt> > solution or emphasize one of its OS over any of its others ?  J Well, IBM isn't facing a situation in which it consistently trashed one ofK its OSs for about a decade, so it doesn't have any lost ground (compared tol$ its other offerings) to make up for.  L Nor does your answer explain why (even ignoring compensatory efforts) VMS isI still getting far *less* attention (especially in the area of OS-specificS  advertising) than its other OSs.   > H > Nope - it would be bad business. Its a multi-platform world and from aE > business perspective, companies like Compaq and IBM offer differentj: > solutions to Customers that have different requirements. >bC > The reality is that the industry is changing big time. Almost alll	 CustomersnL > are looking at serious re-centralization projects which push availability,B > scalability, reliability and security concerns through the roof. >vK > Yes, I (and every other reader on c.o.v) know OpenVMS has suffered duringS. > the distributed computing model of the 90's. >e; > Ok. Fine. How many more times do we need to go over that?y  K Until Compaq at least completely erases the comparative attention deficit -.F and preferably *also* takes at least token steps to compensate for theI historical neglect (note, however, that the *first* item is the importanti9 one - token steps without it will be just that:  tokens).r   > K > Perhaps the pace of change is not fast enough for you. However, CustomersrL > like Japan Telecom (recent $24M win), E*Trade, NorthernLight and a slew ofH > other Customers (including NEW Customers) are satisfied that Compaq isI > serious about OpenVMS. ISE (International Securities Exchange) is a NEWcF > Customer that will be offering around the clock services on a global scale.( > They are about to go live anytime now.  J Even during its darkest days, VMS has always had new customers arriving inG approximately equal numbers to old customers departing:  that's why itsnF numbers have remained relatively stable, and until they begin to climbF significantly the pace of change can be considered to be roughly zero.   >: > Reference:G > <http://www.compaq.com/inFORM/issues/issue31/industry-te-040-a7.html>  (Japan > Telecom $24M win)g; > <http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/gs/quotes/etrade.html>e7 > <http://www.openvms.digital.com/gsseries/quotes.html>e >rK > The COE agreement provides a minimum 15 year statement of ongoing supportrH > and development for OpenVMS. How many other vendors have provided such
 > statements?  >SG > As an example of Customers changing their minds about OpenVMS, from an localwH > perspective, in the last few months, we have had three large Customers comeF > to us for VAX to Alpha migration assistance and I know of at least 4> > multi-site OpenVMS SAN clusters taking place here in Canada. >sL > So, while you are certainly welcome to state your views here, just keep inH > mind that many Customers are today changing their minds about OpenVMS. TheyF > do not share your somewhat negative views of the future for OpenVMS.  J As I said above, the proof will be in the numbers.  Lacking those numbers,/ your statement above seems pretty much hot air.g   - bill   >yJ > By the way, if you received the latest version of Inform Magazine, check outuE > the back cover. Cognos has a full page ad that is emphasizing (doesi mentioni. > Tru64 and NT as well) offerings for OpenVMS. >a0 > The ad refers Customers to the following page:! > <http://www.cognos.com/seeoffern >5 >2
 > Regards, >- > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant, > Compaq Canada1 > Professional Servicesn > Voice : 613-592-4660 > FAX   : 819-772-7036 > Email : kerry.main@compaq.comi   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jul 2000 15:44:27 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)8 Subject: RE: Re[2]: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com, Message-ID: <8lkckr$qe7@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  x In article <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D80528459C@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> writes:  L >As an example of Customers changing their minds about OpenVMS, from a localL >perspective, in the last few months, we have had three large Customers come, >to us for VAX to Alpha migration assistance  ) Oh gee, there's reason for celebration.  p  H By "changing their minds" you presumably mean that they dropped plans toH move to _another_ vendor, since they were _already_ running OpenVMS.  SoJ Compaq managed to retain three customers and move them, 7 years late, ontoG current technology.  And the transition was still difficult enough thatkC they had to contact Compaq for assistance.   And these were "large"l@ customers, the only ones who seem to be sticking with OpenVMS inK significant numbers - I've not heard a single success story from Compaq foro4 "medium" or "small" OpenVMS customers in, um, ever.   / Andrew feeds us FUD.  Kerry shovels anti-FUD.     J Meanwhile, OpenVMS usage outside the Fortune 500 dwindles down to nothing.H Migration from OpenVMS is typically a migration to another vendor.  ThatJ killed Digital, but it won't be enough to kill Compaq.  (Compaq's sluggishD and ineffective management will do that - with or without OpenVMS.)    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech e   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2000 13:15:00 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)8 Subject: RE: Re[2]: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com+ Message-ID: <xU5e7wbvZ8M1@eisner.decus.org>-  a In article <8lkckr$qe7@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:nz > In article <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D80528459C@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> writes:   >p > And these were "large"B > customers, the only ones who seem to be sticking with OpenVMS inM > significant numbers - I've not heard a single success story from Compaq for 6 > "medium" or "small" OpenVMS customers in, um, ever.  >   9 	Define "medium" or "small" in terms of revenue so we canA6 	cite examples to fit your terms.  Elsewise, we get anC 	"Andrew" going here with all sorts of wiggling and counter-claims,i 	etc.p   				Rob    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:34:13 -0700 (PDT)t! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>i Subject: Sendmail F Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.1000725103053.5839H-100000@gunn.kednos.com>  F Anybody on this list have any experience installing later versions of F sendmail on Ultrix/mips ?  In particular config file for version 8.11.  L I have been used as an open relay for spammers, so I need to plug this hole.   Tia- Tom    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:55:06 +0200,= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>  Subject: Re: Shareable imagesi) Message-ID: <397D55EA.FCB81BC0@gtech.com>    Steven Shamlian wrote:G > What are shareable images?  I ask because I'd like to run some systemnN > services that I can't.  (How does it feel to want...?)  Sorry for being such > an idiot.. > Here's an example. >  > $ mcr ncpn > 3 > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image DNS$SHARE  > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file8 > HOBBES$DKB300:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]DNS$SHARE.EXE;1M > -SYSTEM-F-PRIVINSTALL, shareable images must be installed to run privileged_ > image_  A A VMS sharable image is not a normal .EXE file even though it has A the same extension. It is the equivalent of .DLL on Win32 and .sonC on Unix (VMS has just had them for many many years before the othert! found out it was a good concept).-  1 The error message above indicates that the DECnetr installation/configurationF is seriously messed up and I think a reinstall and reconfig would be a
 good idea.   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:00:28 GMT  From: tony_barratt@my-deja.com" Subject: snmp master agent for VMS) Message-ID: <8lkh39$sl7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>s   Hi, B I'm a refugee from unix sysadmin land, and I'd like to use snmp to5 monitor Oracle that's running on an Open VMS cluster.oE The Oracle docs tell you how to configure the snmp sub-agent, and sayM@ "Configure the SNMP Master agent. Refer to your operating system( specific documentation for instructions"C Could someone therefore point me at the fine manual? Or even bettert# comment on the best way do do this?e   TIA    Tony    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.t   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jul 2000 17:23:04 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)& Subject: Re: snmp master agent for VMS6 Message-ID: <8lkido$g23$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  J In article <8lkh39$sl7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, tony_barratt@my-deja.com writes:C :I'm a refugee from unix sysadmin land, and I'd like to use snmp tol6 :monitor Oracle that's running on an Open VMS cluster.F :The Oracle docs tell you how to configure the snmp sub-agent, and sayA :"Configure the SNMP Master agent. Refer to your operating system.) :specific documentation for instructions"eD :Could someone therefore point me at the fine manual? Or even better$ :comment on the best way do do this?  D   The OpenVMS documentation, as well as that of several of the core ;   products, is available online.  In this case, start with:a  N http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/6526/6526profile_017.html#snmp_chap  D   The OpenVMS FAQ has pointers to documentation, training, etc., and2   is available via various links including one at:   http://www.openvms.compaq.com/  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:40:24 -0300s1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>p* Subject: RE: Stirrings in the undergrowth?K Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A333750@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>p  $ Be free with that tongue Mr Shannon. - Darren   > ----------5 > From: 	Terry C. Shannon[SMTP:shannon@world.std.com]a > Reply To: 	Terry C. Shannonw& > Sent: 	Monday, July 24, 2000 9:46 PM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- > Subject: 	Re: Stirrings in the undergrowth?o > C > Well, word has it that such a campaign is about to be launched...c > 0 > <Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com> wrote in message? > news:OFB6D43DED.237CE5A6-ON88256927.0001C11D@HEALTHNET.COM...eI > > For reasons I won't bother going into here, I just got a package from L > > Compaq. It contains some new marketing materials for OpenVMS, stuff I'veK > > never seen before, and some looking suspiciously like it's designed forfI > > Compaq salespeople. There's even a couple of high quality freebies inn
 > > there! > >nK > > I hesitate to say it may be advance material from a new marketing push,- > but6 > > I live in hope.c > >.	 > > Shane  > >OL > >  #####   ---------------------------------------------------------------J > > #-O-O-# | Shane underbar S on pacbell dot net. Spam to abuse@127.0.0.1 > |KL > > #  L  #  ---------------------------------------------------------------H > >  #===#   Don't blame HealthNet for anything I say. They're innocent.L > >   ###    OpenVMS: The operating system God runs the Earth simulation on. > >i > >t >  >  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyaL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying  of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudaoF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:38:20 GMTr From: kparris@my-deja.comt* Subject: Re: Stirrings in the undergrowth?) Message-ID: <8lk1nr$g4r$1@nnrp1.deja.com>m  8 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:@ > If it's nothing but more "preaching to the choir", why bother?  E Don't discount the value of preaching to the choir. :-) It helps keepoE them from backsliding, lets them know they are valued, and helps keeptG them singing in an inspiring fashion.  Also, if you don't preach to thesF choir, they might begin to think the church might be closing and begin% to look for another choir to sing in.e  C But you're right, evangelism is more important in the big scheme of  things. G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- G Keith Parris|Integrity Computing,Inc.|parris@decuserve.decus.org-nospam F VMS Consulting: Clusters, Perf., Alpha porting, Storage&I/O, Internals    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.P   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jul 2000 14:42:29 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)* Subject: Re: Stirrings in the undergrowth?, Message-ID: <8lk90l$qe7@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  Y In article <Fy89w6.HFG@world.std.com>, "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com> writes:mB >Well, word has it that such a campaign is about to be launched...  K In Compaq time "about to" is what?  A year, two years?  We're still waitingoG on the rumored changes to the educational program - an obvious, easy to ; accomplish task - but no signs of motion there yet either.     Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.educ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:31:59 GMTV( From: aclc@<spamtrap>usa.net (Alan Chee)( Subject: The Economist on CPQ DEC merger5 Message-ID: <397d78a4.3334735@news.mel.comcen.com.au>t  A Check out the Economist's take on CPQ/DEC merger, er... takeover.o   current Jul 22-28 2000 issue.hP http://www.economist.com/0ibEoNrl/editorial/justforyou/current/index_wb4464.html  E It seems to recognise DEC's technical brilliance but a raised eyeborw  with this statement:  9 "Its salespeople were known for their loyalty to their 		 @ customers and knowledge of their needs. Digitals customers were fiercely loyal in return. "   8 Maybe the 2nd statement is correct but diminishingly so.   ~alanC   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jul 2000 12:48:27 GMT' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)i, Subject: Re: The Economist on CPQ DEC merger/ Message-ID: <8lk2ar$2r$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>   ` In article <397d78a4.3334735@news.mel.comcen.com.au>, aclc@<spamtrap>usa.net (Alan Chee) writes:B >Check out the Economist's take on CPQ/DEC merger, er... takeover. >  >current Jul 22-28 2000 issue.Q >http://www.economist.com/0ibEoNrl/editorial/justforyou/current/index_wb4464.htmlr > F >It seems to recognise DEC's technical brilliance but a raised eyeborw >with this statement:w >r: >"Its salespeople were known for their loyalty to their 		A >customers and knowledge of their needs. Digitals customers weres >fiercely loyal in return. " > 9 >Maybe the 2nd statement is correct but diminishingly so.E >a >~alanC   M Might well be argued that it was once correct but Dec got rid of most of it'seJ salespeople and started selling almost exclusively through Vars many many 
 moons ago.      
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jul 2000 15:11:51 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog), Subject: Re: The Economist on CPQ DEC merger, Message-ID: <8lkann$qe7@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  ` In article <397d78a4.3334735@news.mel.comcen.com.au>, aclc@<spamtrap>usa.net (Alan Chee) writes:B >Check out the Economist's take on CPQ/DEC merger, er... takeover. >e >current Jul 22-28 2000 issue.Q >http://www.economist.com/0ibEoNrl/editorial/justforyou/current/index_wb4464.htmly >uF >It seems to recognise DEC's technical brilliance but a raised eyeborw >with this statement:  >e: >"Its salespeople were known for their loyalty to their 		A >customers and knowledge of their needs. Digitals customers wereb >fiercely loyal in return. " > 9 >Maybe the 2nd statement is correct but diminishingly so.  >e  7 The economist really missed the boat on that paragraph.o  K Never mind the gross mischaracterization of the salespeople's qualities, it J completely ignores their diminished quantity.  At the time of the takeoverH they were few and far between.  Loyalty to the customers my butt!  TheseG were the folks in charge of trying to force OSF/1 and then WNT down ourwI throats. And the customers were fiercely loyal to the _technologies_, butaG not at all to the company, which was trying ever so hard to kill of thetK products that these "loyal" customers were clamoring for.  If they had beenfK so loyal to the company they would not have left in droves when the companyf kept screwing them over.     Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edue? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech t   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jul 2000 05:48:00 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)y Subject: Re: UCX and TCPWATCHt' Message-ID: <8lj9mg$c4j$1@joe.rice.edu>e  @ Geoff Roberts (geoffrobx@stmarksx.ppx.catholicx.edux.aux) wrote:I : I'm looking at a couple of things happening on our lan, and need to usedJ : a packet sniffer.  I have TCPWATCH which works fine on the Vax 6000 with= : Multinet, however I need to use it on a VS4000/90 with UCX.kE : Unfortunately, I find it can only see traffic addressed to it's own I : address.  I'm assuming that the adapter needs to be in promiscuous modesJ : or something similar, but I can't seem to figure out how to force UCX to! : do that.  It's VMS 6.2/UCX 4.0.J  H : I've had a look in the FAQ and I'm still sifting through the docs, but  : I'm sure someone just KNOWS...  & Take a look at PROBE from ftp.wku.edu:     PROBEn%      Version:      V2.3B, 24-JUL-1997a'      Description:  VMS Ethernet monitorf>      Author:       Stephane Germain <germain@eisner.decus.org>      Architecture: VAX,AXP      # of parts:   6      Language:     MACRO-32h  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:15:09 +0100i! From:  Tony Wright <tpw@ngat.com>o Subject: Re: Using CMS and NFSB Message-ID: <04E02AB064E0D211B24E0008C79F6A0E939E40@mail.ngat.com>  G Speaking of Doomsday 2000, does anyone know where I can get hold of theJ VAX/ALPHA versions?wD I seem to remeber having the same conversation a few years ago to no avail/     > -----Original Message-----2 > From: gilley@nospam.bravewc.com (Charles Gilley)$ > [mailto:gilley@nospam.bravewc.com]) > Posted At: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 02:14n > Posted To: comp.os.vms( > Conversation: Looking for an old game.* > Subject: Re: Q: Looking for an old game. >  > ? > Speaking of old games, does anyone know where one might find h > the PC version of B > Doomsday 2000?  This has to be the classic VAX game of all time. >   a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:51:37 +0100   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com= Subject: Vacancy exists : VMS Junior Sys Admin, Bracknell, UKo> Message-ID: <80256927.0062492B.00@qedilc01.qedi.quintiles.com>  L I'm posting this again because the last posting generated only two responses= from people that weren't very junior and were over qualified.   L The company I work for have an immediate requirement for a VMS Junior SystemK Administrator at our Bracknell offices here in the UK.  This is a permanentk post, not a contract position.  N If anyone is interested or knows of someone that's interested maybe they could contact me off-line.  ' A brief job description is given below.t   Steve.% steven dot reece at quintiles dot com      Duties :I Support of corporate computer system users.  Support will usually involvecI assisting the Helpdesk to answer queries, resolve problems and respond to 4 technical requests in a timely and efficient manner.M Assist in capacity planning and performance monitoring to ensure that systemsR+ are performing efficiently and effectively.eK Ensuring that service level agreements are met for systems availability and4 throughput.5  7 Experience in the following areas would be beneficial :aO User administration, DCL programming, modification of existing system resources O to satisfy additional requirements, installation and troubleshooting of layeredm: products and Storageworks disk configuration / management.  	 Profile : P Candidates should have two years experience of OpenVMS and VMSclusters, probablyL gained in a Shift Leader or Junior System Administrator role.  Additionally,F suitable candidates should be able to work unsupervised and be able to2 communicate at all levels within the organisation.  P Additional experience of Oracle RDMS or Unix would be useful, but not essential.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:50:09 +0200i= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>l Subject: Re: VMS File Managero) Message-ID: <397D54C1.A4011A2B@gtech.com>    devo_x@my-deja.com wrote: E > I'm working with an OpenVMS AXP system in a college computer lab --eG > After exploring the file structure, I noticed PILOT, the default filelC > manager for PINE, as well as SWING -- An additional, customizableb > program to organize files --H > Do any other file managers exist for VMS that I might be overlooking ?   FLIST   H > I'm at least an INTERMEDIATE User in OpenVms systems -- Which websitesH > contain additional commands/undocumented features/administration tools. > useful for the advanced user/administrator ? > DEVO_X  * http://www.levitte.org/~ava/vms_tips.htmlx   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:56:54 +0200o= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>a" Subject: Re: VMS mail -> Unix mail) Message-ID: <397D5656.65D21DDB@gtech.com>0   Jed Rogge wrote:E > I have a bunch of old VMS mail accounts on 8mm tape savesets that Ip: > would like to put in readable form on our unix machines. > D > I have a unix utility called "vbackup" which allows me to dump theE > savesets onto our (True64) unix disks.  This leaves all of the .MAI F > files ready to be manipulated into something readable by a unix mailJ > utility, but the conversion doesn't seem to me to be trivial.  Something! > readable by pine would be fine.  > J > Has anyone written a script to do this?  Is there some easier method I'm > overlooking?  @ The MAIL$*.MAI files are just text-files and can be read without	 problems.j  B But MAIL.MAI are an index-sequential file and reading that outside VMS is more of  aproblem.   C I would bring back the file to a VMS system and convert them there.l  ! Many good options exist for that.i   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:39:48 GMTn/ From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>-" Subject: Re: VMS mail -> Unix mail' Message-ID: <397D6E74.2BF787@uiowa.edu>i   Richard B. Gilbert wrote:v > J >         Since VMS Mail is normally stored in Prolog-3 indexed sequentialJ > files, you have your work cut out for you!  To make your life still moreL > interesting, messages with bodies larger than about 1500 bytes are stored,G > minus the From:, Subject: and date-time, in separate sequential fileslI > pointed to by the indexed sequential file.  The only simple way to readRM > those files is to restore them on a VMS system, use MAIL to extract them toSJ > a sequential file and then move the sequential file to your Unix system.I > Munging that sequential file into something that can be read by mail ore* > Mail is relatively simple by comparison!  ? 	I have a utility program I got somewhere LONG ago that runs onaD OpenVMS to convert MAIL*.MAI files (folders and all) into the 'flat' files)G that PC and Unix mail clients like.  It even works well to convert yourn2 OpenVMS MAIL folders to Netscape Mail for OpenVMS.   	Anonymous FTP:   8 		ftp://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/extract_mail.zip   Regards, Rick -- uH Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:42:21 -0400 % From: "Islandco" <sales@islandco.com> ' Subject: Re: VT510 troubleshooting: ;-)I. Message-ID: <snqumge43j151@corp.supernews.com>  0 Now if that had been the Compaq PC support group   "Flames ou' de back, huh ???":   "Ret me ask a correague -z  9 Are you sure it switch'd on and the cuphowder is crosed ?fG By the way, what's the serial number? - so solly - it's ou' of warrantycJ The online support group can offer technical assistance for only $xxxxxxx"        5 WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in messagem' news:0033000001185299000002L092*@MHS...M    5      One of our Front-line support folks entered thiss2      comment into our problem-management software.  )      I just had to share it with y'all...i    /      Friday, July 21, 2000 3:02:12 PM  KERSTESLt-      July 21, 2000 3:01:43 PM        KERSTESLe       Organization Group: RAVAXFS  *      VT510 HAD FLAMES COMING OUT THE BACK.'      NO FURTHER TROUBLESHOOTING NEEDED.d        ----------------.      WWWebbe   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jul 2000 07:02:27 GMT- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)AE Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/Sa5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-e4tzof7VBXQ2@localhost>c  % On Thu, 1 Jan 1970 01:59:59, Jojimbo -, <jgesslingNOjgSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:  @ > it's copy <source> <destination>.  So then why then is Macro32' > full of: verb <destination> <source>?-  D Eh? Are you sure you're not confusing DEC Macro-32 with Intel  MASM?   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jul 2000 07:02:28 GMT- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)7E Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S 5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-w2mHh1bbJzz1@localhost>d  = On Sun, 23 Jul 3900 23:51:54, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian   Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote:@   BrianCF             the others have told you how to use it and most mentioned ? the dangers oif drag'n'Drop. What was missing was a mention of eF Explorer's one redeeming feature : Undo. If you think/know you've madeF a slip of a click then you can check/fix it with the Undo feature from the Edit (IIRC) menu.a   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:10:41 +1000 / From: "Phil Howell" <howellp@snowyhydro.com.au>sE Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/Sl3 Message-ID: <U3bf5.45866$N4.1645331@ozemail.com.au>    que?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:15:18 +0100   From: steven.reece@quintiles.comE Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S-> Message-ID: <80256927.0033059A.00@qedilc01.qedi.quintiles.com>   Shane wrote:J >>>According to my Windows-competant friend (yes, such people do exist) itK doesn't actually copy the file contents to the clipboard, just a pointer toeE the file. At the "paste" stage, the actual contents get copied to the  destination.<<<o  N You mean you have friends that exist or that they're windows-competant??  :-))   Steve.   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jul 2000 03:49 CSTn' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)sE Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/Se- Message-ID: <25JUL200003492992@gerg.tamu.edu>h  * Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@compaq.com> writes... }Phil Howell wrote:nJ }> When you "copy" a file in this way, it really means "take a copy of theJ }> contents of this file and store it in your clipboard". If you then do a/ }> "paste" it should create a copy of the file.k } J }(genuine) Question:  is this still the way to copy, say, a 2 Gbyte file ? }  }The mind boggles. } 
 }Roy Omond  K I expect it would work just fine. As far as I can tell, it doesn't actually:H put the contents of the file on the clipboard -  just a reference to the file(s).  K This could depend on which of the various "spawn of satan" versions you are"H using. NT and 2000 appear to store just the reference(s) to the file(s).F I havn't used any of the 3.x/95/98 types often enough to have noticed.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:03:52 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)cE Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/Se0 Message-ID: <009ED997.55BE996D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  o In article <1620b580.09dd7413@usw-ex0102-084.remarq.com>, Jojimbo <jgesslingNOjgSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid> writes:a/ >Wow!  With an original subject line containingc< >"Satan" and "OS".  It's not surprising you can't figure out9 >something so simple.  Have you considered using the toold" >available rather than cursing it?  H Doh!  I *was* trying to use the "tool".  However, I was not privy to theH recrudescence of the 'stone age' when these crudely fashioned implementsH first appeared on the scene to de-evolutionize the information age.  TheG so called "help" on this machine is about as helpful as "Poor Richard'sWH Almanac" predictions for planning for a sunny summer outing on a wintery January day.  H Secondly, I have no reason to use "tools" for the sake of using "tools".F The box in the garage has mechanics tools I purchased when I needed toG do specific jobs.  I'm not rebuilding engines so I don't need an engine G hoist or a value seat grinder, etc.  I'm no laying brick or pouring anyoG concrete so I've no need for a cement trowel.  The only reason I was on H the PeeCee was because a file I downloaded was in a PeeCee self-extract-F ing compression format.  BTW, just for shits and giggles, I ZIPped theH file on VMS and it was ~1/3 the size of the self-extracting PeeCee .EXE  that I downloaded.  G If you've no reason to go to Decatur, then why drive there?  You're be-tG ginning to sound like the first grade teacher I had that broke my hand  I with a yard stick by slapping me with it for using my left hand to write.wH What worked best for me was the pencil in the left hand... and I'm stillH using it today in spite of the right-hand bias of nearly everything made  and sold in the commerial space.     >  Did you know intuitively-= >how to copy a file on VMS the first time you tried it?  Surem  2 PIP seemed to work.  Then I typed "HELP" and read!    ? >it's copy <source> <destination>.  So then why then is Macro32x& >full of: verb <destination> <source>?  G Oh!  You had to know I'd call your bluff here.  Care to provide us herekF with these "verb"s?  Save for perhaps the vector load instruction thatG maintains a target vector register in the first operand (control word),sB I'd like to know where the VAX macro instruction set breaks ranks.    > >I think some of you should open your eyes and see there are a >few more worlds out there.o  E With the aid of my telescope, I've seen many.  I'm still more apt to .E stay here on planet Earth where I can breath without the aid of heavyeC breathing apparatus or have to piss in a vacuum assisted 0G toilet.h   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:30:50 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>SE Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/Sl) Message-ID: <397DA499.4436798A@bbc.co.uk>.   Jan Vorbrueggen wrote:  L >  Drag'n'drop, IMNSHO, would only work if you could either split Explorer'sN > right half of the screen to contain two directories (no, I don't like having  L Can you say File Manager? I have the same problem with explorer, and others.  H However, you can drag into a DIRECTORY on the left hand pane, that worksC as long as the directory tree is expanded enough to "see" it there.   H Now, about the refresh problem and resource problems when you have a lot  of small files to "explore" ....   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:40:02 +0100t- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>uE Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/So) Message-ID: <397DA6C2.9612AA24@bbc.co.uk>e   Marty Kuhrt wrote:   > xgO > > Windows is a poor OS, but the windows explorer is something I wouldn't mindlR > > having on VMS.  At least some parts of it, and probably a few things done in aR > > more VMS manner.  Anything, good or bad, can both be cvarefully made to do the0 > > job, or misused to the point of uselessness. > >t >v  L No, while we are Explorer bashing, why oh why oh why can't I cut that stringV in the window title bar that shows the full path of the current file selected into the* buffer so I can paste it somewhere useful?   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofa MedAS or the BBC.a   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jul 2000 07:53:10 PDT* From: abuse@flying-disk.com (Alan Frisbie)J Subject: Re: What graphics cards are supported by OpenVMS on a AlphaServer! Message-ID: <$8GTiEhR$12u@flying>i  D In article <OF1BA869C6.0A660487-ON88256926.007732AE@HEALTHNET.COM>, # Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:m  L > Yes, Elsa used to use Nvidia TNT and TNT2, then they moved onto the NvidiaI > GeForce, followed by the GeForce II GTS. All four of these chipsets aregK > currently served by the same driver distribution, although the later onesO+ > use some extensions the older two don't. n  G and "Paul A. Jacobi" <Paul.Jacobi@COMPAQ.COM> on 07/24/2000 02:12:23 PMA wrote:  F > The ELSA Gloria Synergy card is based upon the Permedia2 graphics.  ' > This is what is supported by OpenVMS.  > H > For the Synergy II, I believe ELSA switched over to Nvida TNT chipset,+ > which there is no OpenVMS driver support.   8 These two statements appear to contradict each other, so I'm more confused than ever!  ; I just looked at the board to try and identify the chipset,o: but it is covered by a heat sink.   The label on the board: says "Gloria Synergy-8", but the manual says "Synergy II", for what that's worth.  8 If only the original Gloria Synergy is supported by VMS,9 where can I get some?   What chipset or identifying marks) should I be looking for?   Alan   --  B --  Alan E. Frisbie             Frisbie "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com@ --  Flying Disk Systems, Inc.   Abuse "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:21:58 -0400 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>?J Subject: Re: What graphics cards are supported by OpenVMS on a AlphaServer+ Message-ID: <8lkep5$7k6$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>:  F The card is a Permedia2 based card.  ELSA GLoria Synergy-8 (i.e. 8mb).  F The 3DLabs Oxygen VX1 (16mb) will replace that card in October.  It is Permedia-3 based.e      6 Alan Frisbie wrote in message <$8GTiEhR$12u@flying>...D >In article <OF1BA869C6.0A660487-ON88256926.007732AE@HEALTHNET.COM>,$ >Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes: >fF >> Yes, Elsa used to use Nvidia TNT and TNT2, then they moved onto the NvidiaJ >> GeForce, followed by the GeForce II GTS. All four of these chipsets areL >> currently served by the same driver distribution, although the later ones+ >> use some extensions the older two don't.e >oH >and "Paul A. Jacobi" <Paul.Jacobi@COMPAQ.COM> on 07/24/2000 02:12:23 PM >wrote:  >uE >> The ELSA Gloria Synergy card is based upon the Permedia2 graphics.l( >> This is what is supported by OpenVMS. >>I >> For the Synergy II, I believe ELSA switched over to Nvida TNT chipset,d, >> which there is no OpenVMS driver support. >n9 >These two statements appear to contradict each other, sor >I'm more confused than ever!y > < >I just looked at the board to try and identify the chipset,; >but it is covered by a heat sink.   The label on the boardr; >says "Gloria Synergy-8", but the manual says "Synergy II",i >for what that's worth.i >s9 >If only the original Gloria Synergy is supported by VMS,l: >where can I get some?   What chipset or identifying marks >should I be looking for?m >g >Alan  >r >-- C >--  Alan E. Frisbie             Frisbie "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" ComsA >--  Flying Disk Systems, Inc.   Abuse "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Coma   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:49:49 -0400r% From: "Islandco" <sales@islandco.com>lT Subject: Re: What graphics cards are supported by OpenVMS on a AlphaServer 4004/233?. Message-ID: <snqv4ff93j158@corp.supernews.com>   FYI-  I We have 80 of the NEW DEC SN-PBXGK-BB video card (ELSA GLoria Synergy 8mb? PCI with Permedia II chipset)c   Davidj   -- Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory Streete	 Suite 150  Savannah GA 31404w Tel: 912 447 6622n Fax: 912 201 0096X sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com  C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andlJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.H They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyK are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient,eG please notify Island Computers US Corp immediately and then delete thisd message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingO of this message is prohibited.        . <Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com> wrote in message= news:OF1BA869C6.0A660487-ON88256926.007732AE@HEALTHNET.COM...8 >-L > Yes, Elsa used to use Nvidia TNT and TNT2, then they moved onto the NvidiaI > GeForce, followed by the GeForce II GTS. All four of these chipsets arebK > currently served by the same driver distribution, although the later onesuH > use some extensions the older two don't. (I own all four, in different > machines)w >h6 > The Permidia 2 is very long in the tooth these days. >i > Shanes >a >  >  >t >.E > "Paul A. Jacobi" <Paul.Jacobi@COMPAQ.COM> on 07/24/2000 02:12:23 PM  >l > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > cc:  >mA > Subject:  Re: What graphics cards are supported by OpenVMS on a  AlphaServern >       400 4/233? >o >  >s9 > "Alan Frisbie" <abuse@flying-disk.com> wrote in messageA > news:oNrtn5oPEguA@flying...l@ > > I recently ordered several ELSA Gloria Synergy cards.   What> > > arrived was the ELSA Synergy II.   Is this card compatibleC > > enough to also work (I won't even think of saying "supported")?m >eJ > The ELSA Gloria Synergy card is based upon the Permedia2 graphics.  This is	 > what ise > supported by OpenVMS.4 >MH > For the Synergy II, I believe ELSA switched over to Nvida TNT chipset, > which  > theres > is no OpenVMS driver support.u >  >i > Paul A. Jacobi > Compaq Computer Corporation # > OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14n > 110 Spitbrook Road > Nashua, NH 03062-2698u > Email: Paul.Jacobi@compaq.com  >l >o >  >n >e >n >m >a >  >h   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.413 ************************