1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 26 Jul 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 414       Contents:- Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working - Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working - Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working - Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working - Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working - Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working - Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working - Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working - Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working  Configuring TCP/IP on VMS 7.2 ! Re: Configuring TCP/IP on VMS 7.2 ( Re: Corrupt 000000.DIR  (was: RE: Help!) DFWCUG Newsletter Online) FTP Problem under TCP/IP Services for VMS - Re: FTP Problem under TCP/IP Services for VMS  Re: GS140 write I/O wall re:GS140 write I/O wall  Re: re:GS140 write I/O wall 2 help...on decmotif windows, also on mounting cdrom6 Re: help...on decmotif windows, also on mounting cdromC Re: I/O caching and UNIX evaluations (was: Re: got to remember ...) ( Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com( Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com  Nine(9) VAXstation 3100s on eBay OpenVMS documentation  Re: OpenVMS documentation  OT: ISO VAX 11/780 or similar ! Re: OT: ISO VAX 11/780 or similar ! Re: OT: ISO VAX 11/780 or similar ! Re: OT: ISO VAX 11/780 or similar  Re:snmp master agent for VMS! RE: Stirrings in the undergrowth? ! Re: Stirrings in the undergrowth? ! RE: Stirrings in the undergrowth? ! Re: Stirrings in the undergrowth? ! Re: Stirrings in the undergrowth? ! Re: Stirrings in the undergrowth? # Re: The Economist on CPQ DEC merger # Re: The Economist on CPQ DEC merger 8 Re: Vacancy exists : VMS Junior Sys Admin, Bracknell, UK8 Re: Vacancy exists : VMS Junior Sys Admin, Bracknell, UK Re: VMS mail -> Unix mail  Re: VT510 troubleshooting: ;-)- Was "WAY OFF TOPIC:" Now a 1000 USD challenge < Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/SA Re: What graphics cards are supported by OpenVMS on a AlphaServer A Re: What graphics cards are supported by OpenVMS on a AlphaServer   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:59:35 GMT  From: rob.lesan@zdnetonebox.com 6 Subject: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working) Message-ID: <8lkki5$vf3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   2 In article <8lis47$k10$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,:   "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> wrote:3 > www.CETS2000.com Registration is open and working  >  >   D I am a Tandem professional, is this primarily a non-NSK event?  MostB everything on the website talks about solution providers for otherD platforms.  ITUG is at the end of October, why would/should I attend this?   * ------------------------------------------	 Rob Lesan * Tandem Systems Programmer/Database Analyst rob.lesan@zdnetonebox.com * ------------------------------------------    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2000 15:23:31 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) 6 Subject: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working+ Message-ID: <wFrEmOzf8d6q@eisner.decus.org>   K In article <8lkki5$vf3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, rob.lesan@zdnetonebox.com writes:   F > I am a Tandem professional, is this primarily a non-NSK event?  MostD > everything on the website talks about solution providers for otherF > platforms.  ITUG is at the end of October, why would/should I attend > this?   C As you say, ITUG is at the end of October, so the CETS folk are not C going to get the Tandem customer turnout they would like.  Sometime D in the future they would like to have ITUG in the same venue, but it will not be this year.  A Tandem customers who also have responsibility for other platforms @ (or who have extra training budget) will be the ones most likely> to show up.  Compaq will presumably bring some Tandem experts,= but not so many as to ITUG.  (It does not take a whole lot of ; expertise to answer Tandem questions from the likes of me.)    ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jul 2000 11:47:51 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)6 Subject: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working3 Message-ID: <oBIQKwydkvKR@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>   , In article <$zxNTw$4Zf2l@eisner.decus.org>, 8     	kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) writes:5 > In article <8lis47$k10$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,  ?     		"Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> writes: 4 >> www.CETS2000.com Registration is open and working >  > Yeabut...  > M > The only option to get through the registration process is via credit card. L > What about those of us who need to register via company Purchase Order? InK > the past I've filled out the hard copy form, had management sign off, and ; > our purchasing folks issue a PO, followed u with a check.  > L > How do you register this time if your company is paying for the symposium?  H         I'm in the same boat as  Bob.   I  need  some way in which I canG     register and pay with a P.O.  Can this please be corrected quickly?   H         In  addition,  David  Mathog   in  another  follow-up  mentionedH     documents  in  MS-Word format only.  That's very "exclusive" in  theH     most negative sense of the word.  May we please have  all  documentsA     available in a vendor-neutral format, either HTML and/or PDF?            Thanks, Ken  --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------   Date: 25 JUL 2000 17:57:35 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)6 Subject: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working6 Message-ID: <25JUL00.17573585@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  I In a previous article, kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) wrote:  ->  M ->The only option to get through the registration process is via credit card. L ->What about those of us who need to register via company Purchase Order? InK ->the past I've filled out the hard copy form, had management sign off, and ; ->our purchasing folks issue a PO, followed u with a check.  ->  L ->How do you register this time if your company is paying for the symposium?  F If you check the box indicating you're a government organization, thenF you'll get a choice of paying by a PO. No credit card number required.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:37:27 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> 6 Subject: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working- Message-ID: <397E0897.6E75AFBF@earthlink.net>    David Mathog wrote:  > n > In article <8lis47$k10$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>, "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> writes:4 > >www.CETS2000.com Registration is open and working > >  > C > Two of the key documents on that page are only in MS Word format.   4 So, naturally, Linux and OpenVMS users are left out.   > Others are in PDF or HTML.  - Still no PDF reader for OpenVMS besides xpdf.   . >  So why are these in MS Word format when PDFF > would do just as well for any fancy formatting and is more portable?   Good question, David!    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:38:06 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> 6 Subject: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working- Message-ID: <397E08BE.FDC75D6A@earthlink.net>    David Mathog wrote:  > n > In article <8lis47$k10$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>, "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> writes:4 > >www.CETS2000.com Registration is open and working > >  > C > Two of the key documents on that page are only in MS Word format.   4 So, naturally, Linux and OpenVMS users are left out.   > Others are in PDF or HTML.  - Still no PDF reader for OpenVMS besides xpdf.   . >  So why are these in MS Word format when PDFF > would do just as well for any fancy formatting and is more portable?   Good question, David!    --   David J. Dachteras dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/0   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:45:44 GMT / From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>o6 Subject: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working) Message-ID: <397DC438.78468523@uiowa.edu>    > > Others are in PDF or HTML. > / > Still no PDF reader for OpenVMS besides xpdf.   ? 	Check the OpenVMS web pages at Compaq, but they are now giving E out an Adobe PDF viewer for OpenVMS.  I think it is JAVA and requires G updating JAVA to latest and running on v7.2, etc. etc., but it is there  now.  > 	Note, GV (with GS) does PDF too.  I use it lots of times, butE it does choke on some PDF files.  GS v6 is working for OpenVMS and GV ; actually started on OpenVMS and was then ported to Unix. :)    Rick --  H Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:11:36 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>n6 Subject: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working- Message-ID: <397E3AC8.54DE465F@earthlink.net>    "Richard L. Dyson" wrote:s >   > > > Others are in PDF or HTML. > >01 > > Still no PDF reader for OpenVMS besides xpdf.h > H >         Check the OpenVMS web pages at Compaq, but they are now givingG > out an Adobe PDF viewer for OpenVMS.  I think it is JAVA and requireslI > updating JAVA to latest and running on v7.2, etc. etc., but it is there- > now.  B I've heard nothing good about the Java-based PDF viewer: unstable, CPU-intensive, ...   --   David J. Dachteran dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/<   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:52:12 -0400n7 From: "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> 6 Subject: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working2 Message-ID: <8llg85$e78$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>  F > I am a Tandem professional, is this primarily a non-NSK event?  MostD > everything on the website talks about solution providers for otherF > platforms.  ITUG is at the end of October, why would/should I attend > this?-  , You should attend ITUG (www.ITUG.org/events)  E =====================================================================e, <rob.lesan@zdnetonebox.com> wrote in message# news:8lkki5$vf3$1@nnrp1.deja.com...l4 > In article <8lis47$k10$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,< >   "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> wrote:5 > > www.CETS2000.com Registration is open and workingo > >  > >s > F > I am a Tandem professional, is this primarily a non-NSK event?  MostD > everything on the website talks about solution providers for otherF > platforms.  ITUG is at the end of October, why would/should I attend > this?  > , > ------------------------------------------ > Rob Lesan , > Tandem Systems Programmer/Database Analyst > rob.lesan@zdnetonebox.comm, > ------------------------------------------ >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:58:35 -0700n$ From: Grant Schoep <grant@storm.com>& Subject: Configuring TCP/IP on VMS 7.2) Message-ID: <397E0D8B.E57D8E7D@storm.com>   E Anyone know of a good resource somewhere on cofiguring TCP/IP for VMSmE 7.2? I'm really new to the VMS world, and would like my VMS box to be D able to work with my other machines, which of course all run TCP/IP.F DECnet just isn't that useful when you only have one machine using it.. Most reasources I look at just explain DECnet.  B Basically, I just want to enable TCP/IP on this machine. Figure itH shouldn't be that difficult. I found the TCPIP command, but can't really figure out what to do with it.   -grant   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jul 2000 22:11:29 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)* Subject: Re: Configuring TCP/IP on VMS 7.26 Message-ID: <8ll3ah$idi$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  P In article <397E0D8B.E57D8E7D@storm.com>, Grant Schoep <grant@storm.com> writes:F :Anyone know of a good resource somewhere on cofiguring TCP/IP for VMSF :7.2? I'm really new to the VMS world, and would like my VMS box to beE :able to work with my other machines, which of course all run TCP/IP.   H   The TCP/IP Services documentation is available at the same website as F   the OpenVMS documentation (please see my response to another recent H   posting for the URL), and an installation and configuration manual is #   among the manuals included there.   D   The core configuration tool is TCPIP$CONFIG.  But check the manual   for the details...  F   Version info: You will want to use TCP/IP V5.0A, not V5.0.  V5.0 or D   later is required on OpenVMS V7.2 and later, and V5.0A (and V5.0) D   can (and should) be used on OpenVMS V7.1 and later.  Do not try to'   use V4.2 or earlier on V7.2 or later.:   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:56:07 +0200-2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)1 Subject: Re: Corrupt 000000.DIR  (was: RE: Help!)c; Message-ID: <397dd4b7.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   3 Hoff Hoffman (hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam) wrote: - : "Yakov Lipkin" <yakovl@rmortho.com> writes:oK : : I used command "set file/nodir" on MicroVAX II and accidentally deleteds- : : root folder ([000000]) on data disk.  ...o :tH :   Mount the disk, perform a full BACKUP/IMAGE (lest something else go H :   wrong and you have no way back) and then tweak the attached program H :   to target the 000000.DIR file...  (I've updated the FID, as the FID E :   of 000000.DIR is known.  You will need to set the target device.)yJ :   (BTW, it's been a long time since I've tested or built this tool, but $ :   it did work twelve years ago...)   Or use DFU:r     SET        /DIRECTORY        /DIRECTORYa      /NODIRECTORY0  J       Sets  or resets the  directory  attribute of a file. This  qualifierJ       allows you to set  the directory bit of a file which was mistakingly6       reset by the 'SET FILE/NODIRECTORY' command. ...   cu,c   Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.dewN One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 00:16:11 GMT 1 From: Pat Jankowiak <vaxhackery@worldnet.att.net>n! Subject: DFWCUG Newsletter Onlinen0 Message-ID: <397E2F04.2050721A@worldnet.att.net>  # http://www.dfwcug.org/THISMONTH.PDFt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:07:42 -0400n& From: "Stan Barndt" <stan@nextaxs.com>2 Subject: FTP Problem under TCP/IP Services for VMS# Message-ID: <8lks19$8dd@netaxs.com>:  8  I've got a script running on my NT system that FTP's myH engineering database over to the alpha each night so that I can get bothH databases on the same tape. The problem that occurs is that for any file1 that's larger than about 50K we get these errors.n  # 550-RMS WRITE RTB record too large.0/ 550 !UL byte record too large for user's bufferi  G Then the system transfers the first 50K or so of the file and moves on.n   Anyone have any ideas??o   Stan Barndtn   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2000 16:47:02 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) 6 Subject: Re: FTP Problem under TCP/IP Services for VMS* Message-ID: <8lkuc6$n6s$1@lisa.gemair.com>  ? I think you'll find that the limit is 32766 characters exactly.   D I'm fairly certain that you're transmitting in ASCII mode, insert a % "bin" command before the put command.   C I would be willing to bet that any files you've transferred up the  B the OpenVMS system are unusable as they've gone through some ASCIIC translation in the process, but using bin mode in the future should " correct this for future transfers.  I In article <8lks19$8dd@netaxs.com>, Stan Barndt <stan@nextaxs.com> wrote: 9 > I've got a script running on my NT system that FTP's my I >engineering database over to the alpha each night so that I can get both I >databases on the same tape. The problem that occurs is that for any file 2 >that's larger than about 50K we get these errors. > $ >550-RMS WRITE RTB record too large.0 >550 !UL byte record too large for user's buffer > H >Then the system transfers the first 50K or so of the file and moves on. >  >Anyone have any ideas?? >  >Stan Barndt >  >    -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:25:54 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>! Subject: Re: GS140 write I/O wall ' Message-ID: <397E05E1.B7E7FBED@home.nl>    John Nixon wrote:  > K > I sure hope you get an answer, one way or the other, and share the answer  > withM > us.  I suspect you will get more requests for details of your configuration  > and C > your testing procedures.  Are you using DWLPBs?  (how many)  What @ > controllers do you have driving your disks? Other details...?? > N > The reason I answered is that I may have also seen this 25MB limit, although6 > somewhat differently and less specifically than you. > I > I have an Alpha 8400 with four CIPCAs attached to a farm full of HSJ52s M > supporting disks.  I also have 6 scsi adapters supporting twelve (two each) C > DLT 7000s.  When we do BACKUP from disk to tape, the best thruput F > I have achieved is almost exactly 25 MB/sec.  I was glad to see that
 > however,% > and thought I was doing a good job.  > N > Now though, we plan to replace 3 VAX 7860s with two Enterprise class Alphas, > (probably GS140s).    H Unless you can get the GS140's very cheap, I would not buy them anymore.H Don't forget they are 'just' 8400 models with the EV6 processors, so the* basic design is uhh..... lets say classic.C Check the performance of a fully loaded ES40 against a fully loaded # GS140 and you will see what I mean. B The GS140 has a central system bus, and all data from processor <>@ memory and <> PCI busses has to go over that bus. The ES40 has aG switched design, so the PCI busses can be used on full capacity without @ interfering with processor <> memory data. And the ES40 is a lotE cheaper. If the ES40 isn't sufficient you can always go for the GS80,  160 and 320 systems.  5 > Our VAXes house very high IO applications, and even  > thoughH > I am sure the Alphas will outclass them, I want to outclass them to an
 > embarassing 
 > degree. :-)  > 6 > "Doug W." <dashw459@aol.comeatspam> wrote in message6 > news:20000724191428.16587.00001172@ng-fi1.aol.com...E > > We have run into a curious and unexpected I/O wall on the GS 140. 
 > Briefly, no L > > matter how many controllers, disks  or processes are utilized, qio writeD > > bandwidth to the disks never totals more 25MB.  Note the 'write' > bandwidth.  WeN > > have no trouble with read bandwidth.  It increases pretty much as expected > as$ > > disks and controllers are added. > > H > > We have tried several versions of VMS (7.1-2 & 7.2) and all kinds of > hardware. J > > Different shelves, cables and controllers.  Compaq SCSI 2 controllers, > CompaqJ > > dual Ultra SCSI cards and even an unsanctioned Ultra 2 controller fromF > > Intraserver.  The results never vary, we hit a write wall at 25MB. > > J > > These results were completely unexpected.  Initially we assumed we had > doneJ > > something silly.  But as each version of the hardware hit the wall, we	 > removed F > > it from the GS140 and placed it into an ES40.  All versions of the
 > hardwareN > > configurations work just fine in an ES40.  We have been forced to conclude > that5 > > the 25MB I/O write wall is inherent in the GS140.  > > N > > Does anyone know what might cause this type of behavior in a GS140 and why > itH > > does not occur in an ES40?  What could limit write bandwidth but not > effect% > > read bandwidth?  Any suggestions?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:11:28 -0400 / From: "McCarthy Kevin P." <McCarthyKP@BWSC.ORG>   Subject: re:GS140 write I/O wall: Message-ID: <1B14DF408B45D411965D0000F8662DEE034E30@NTSV2>  H I agree, look at the ES40... we had a 8400 5/350 (4 cpu) and replaced itA with a ES40 6/500 (2 cpu);  we justified the purchase because the A savings in maintenance (vs the 8400) would pay for the ES40 in 26 F months, plus the ES40 is cheaper to upgrade and it is about 3x faster.  = A cpu in a GS140 would be equivalent to a cpu in a ES40 so no G uniprocessor speed difference... are you really going to load the GS140 D with more than 4 cpus and if so how does the VAX compute fast enough now?   Kevin    > -----Original Message-----% > From:	Dirk Munk [SMTP:munk@home.nl] + > Posted At:	Tuesday, July 25, 2000 5:26 PM  > Posted To:	vms$ > Conversation:	GS140 write I/O wall# > Subject:	Re: GS140 write I/O wall  >  >  >  > John Nixon wrote:  > > F > > I sure hope you get an answer, one way or the other, and share the > answer > > withA > > us.  I suspect you will get more requests for details of your  > configuration  > > and E > > your testing procedures.  Are you using DWLPBs?  (how many)  What B > > controllers do you have driving your disks? Other details...?? > > G > > The reason I answered is that I may have also seen this 25MB limit, 
 > although8 > > somewhat differently and less specifically than you. > > D > > I have an Alpha 8400 with four CIPCAs attached to a farm full of > HSJ52sD > > supporting disks.  I also have 6 scsi adapters supporting twelve > (two each)E > > DLT 7000s.  When we do BACKUP from disk to tape, the best thruput H > > I have achieved is almost exactly 25 MB/sec.  I was glad to see that > > however,' > > and thought I was doing a good job.  > > H > > Now though, we plan to replace 3 VAX 7860s with two Enterprise class	 > Alphas,  > > (probably GS140s).   > A > Unless you can get the GS140's very cheap, I would not buy them 
 > anymore.F > Don't forget they are 'just' 8400 models with the EV6 processors, so > the , > basic design is uhh..... lets say classic.E > Check the performance of a fully loaded ES40 against a fully loaded % > GS140 and you will see what I mean. D > The GS140 has a central system bus, and all data from processor <>B > memory and <> PCI busses has to go over that bus. The ES40 has aA > switched design, so the PCI busses can be used on full capacity 	 > without B > interfering with processor <> memory data. And the ES40 is a lotG > cheaper. If the ES40 isn't sufficient you can always go for the GS80,  > 160 and 320 systems. >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 01:02:26 GMT / From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> $ Subject: Re: re:GS140 write I/O wallH Message-ID: <CMqf5.16117$o71.1035805@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  E I would love to go for the ES40 instead of the GS140, but the problem E I need to solve is that the three VAX 7860s that I am phasing out are B connected to about 300 GBytes of CI storage on four star couplers.H These VAXes are still critical and need very good disk access until they	 are gone.   I I either need to replace all that storage (which is not necessarily a bad H option) with fibre channel or SCSI storage, or I need to put four CIPCAsF in the Alpha.  Each CIPCA requires four PCI slots, and the ES40 doesntH have that many.  I also need a couple of PCI slots for Ethernet (fast or GBit),% and a couple more of some SNA boards.   I If I can cost justify swapping out all that storage, then I still have to  deal= with the logistics of how to unbotrusively phase all this in.o  + Thanks for all the good suggestions though.d  : "McCarthy Kevin P." <McCarthyKP@BWSC.ORG> wrote in message4 news:1B14DF408B45D411965D0000F8662DEE034E30@NTSV2...J > I agree, look at the ES40... we had a 8400 5/350 (4 cpu) and replaced itC > with a ES40 6/500 (2 cpu);  we justified the purchase because the C > savings in maintenance (vs the 8400) would pay for the ES40 in 26uH > months, plus the ES40 is cheaper to upgrade and it is about 3x faster. >C? > A cpu in a GS140 would be equivalent to a cpu in a ES40 so no I > uniprocessor speed difference... are you really going to load the GS140gF > with more than 4 cpus and if so how does the VAX compute fast enough > now? >n > KevinA >a > > -----Original Message-----' > > From: Dirk Munk [SMTP:munk@home.nl] - > > Posted At: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 5:26 PMP > > Posted To: vms& > > Conversation: GS140 write I/O wall% > > Subject: Re: GS140 write I/O wallS > >G > >c > >y > > John Nixon wrote:  > > >nH > > > I sure hope you get an answer, one way or the other, and share the
 > > answer
 > > > withC > > > us.  I suspect you will get more requests for details of youro > > configuration 	 > > > and G > > > your testing procedures.  Are you using DWLPBs?  (how many)  What|D > > > controllers do you have driving your disks? Other details...?? > > > I > > > The reason I answered is that I may have also seen this 25MB limit,2 > > although: > > > somewhat differently and less specifically than you. > > > F > > > I have an Alpha 8400 with four CIPCAs attached to a farm full of
 > > HSJ52sF > > > supporting disks.  I also have 6 scsi adapters supporting twelve > > (two each)G > > > DLT 7000s.  When we do BACKUP from disk to tape, the best thruputlJ > > > I have achieved is almost exactly 25 MB/sec.  I was glad to see that > > > however,) > > > and thought I was doing a good job.e > > >eJ > > > Now though, we plan to replace 3 VAX 7860s with two Enterprise class > > Alphas,  > > > (probably GS140s). > >hC > > Unless you can get the GS140's very cheap, I would not buy theme > > anymore.H > > Don't forget they are 'just' 8400 models with the EV6 processors, so > > the.. > > basic design is uhh..... lets say classic.G > > Check the performance of a fully loaded ES40 against a fully loaded-' > > GS140 and you will see what I mean.:F > > The GS140 has a central system bus, and all data from processor <>D > > memory and <> PCI busses has to go over that bus. The ES40 has aC > > switched design, so the PCI busses can be used on full capacity  > > withoutrD > > interfering with processor <> memory data. And the ES40 is a lotI > > cheaper. If the ES40 isn't sufficient you can always go for the GS80,y > > 160 and 320 systems. > >- > >o >h   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jul 2000 21:17:33 GMT! From: gigglegs@aol.com (Gigglegs)=; Subject: help...on decmotif windows, also on mounting cdrom8: Message-ID: <20000725171733.01446.00000058@ng-fx1.aol.com>  L My question is that I am trying to run the product install for the dec motif< windows.  I issued this command (where dka500 is my cd-rom):F $Product install dwmotif /source=DKA500: [kits.dwmotif_alpha125_kit]    N  I get an error message saying device not ready, not mounted, or unavailable.  I also tried this   3 $ DEFINE PCSI$SOURCE DKA500:[PCSI_ALPHA_DWMOTIF125]d $PRODUCT INSTALL DWMOTIFD I get the same device not ready, not mounted or unavailable message.  L Seems like I cannot mount my cd rom, is there a volume label assigned to the5 hobbist cd-rom so I can mount it with a command like:/* $Mount DKA500: whatvolumelabel logicalname   thanks for your help gigglegs@aol.com   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jul 2000 21:29:51 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)? Subject: Re: help...on decmotif windows, also on mounting cdromw6 Message-ID: <8ll0sf$i20$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ^ In article <20000725171733.01446.00000058@ng-fx1.aol.com>, gigglegs@aol.com (Gigglegs) writes:M :My question is that I am trying to run the product install for the dec motifc :windows....  F   If this is anything like the standard OpenVMS Alpha distribution, itH   would likely be best to simply boot the CD-ROM distribution media and E   install the DECwindows Motif kit from the installation menu system.h  M :Seems like I cannot mount my cd rom, is there a volume label assigned to theT6 :hobbist cd-rom so I can mount it with a command like:+ :$Mount DKA500: whatvolumelabel logicalnames     A command such as:  "     $ MOUNT DKA500:/OVERRIDE=IDENT  =   Will tell you what the label of the media is set to.  Then:w       $ DISMOUNT DKA500:/NOUNLOADu      $ MOUNT/SYSTEM DKA500: label  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:14:15 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)L Subject: Re: I/O caching and UNIX evaluations (was: Re: got to remember ...)L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2507002114160001@user-2ive66q.dialup.mindspring.com>  H In article <397DB46E.3E37EC4E@bbc.co.uk>, tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk wrote:   > > In article <rdeininger-1507001131360001@user-2ivebf7.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:  > > >oI > > >When I read that the new GS-series machines REQUIRE a billy-box as aeL > > >system console, I almost fell out of my chair.  24x7x365, or until your$ > > >console goes BSOD.  Good Grief! > >n > >f > S > Come on, its a server, use a Vt520 or a graphics head if you must for the console   F My read of the document was that you _can't_ use a dumb terminal.  It  said PeeCee _required_.c  D I hope it was misstated.  On the other hand, I don't have a personalX interest, since I doubt I'll ever be in the same room with such a big, expensive system.   -- k Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:32:04 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>1 Subject: Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.comG- Message-ID: <397DC104.D3218699@tsoft-inc.com>a   Johnny Billquist wrote:e > ? > The fact that VMS is making money don't neccesarily mean that B > someone would want to keep it alive. They might see larger gainsG > from being able to migrate all those VMS sites to their own solution.'A > Keeping VMS alive requires a lot of investments, resources, andoB > time. What other company would want to pour these resources into > VMS?  N Well, DEC tried the 'MIGRATE' path, and look where they are now.  Anybody thatM will not learn from that lesson deserves an unhappy fate.  Any VMS users thatiM would have migrated have probably already done so.  As for the rest, it won't K happen.  Oh, you could deny them any new VMS work, but they will never thenrJ remain the customers of whoever does so.  That's something you CAN bet on.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:19:06 -0600A1 From: Glen Martin <GLENMARK@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>T1 Subject: Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.comu4 Message-ID: <397DBDFA.137C5EE4@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>   Main, Kerry wrote:  :N > By the way, if you received the latest version of Inform Magazine, check outM > the back cover. Cognos has a full page ad that is emphasizing (does mentiona. > Tru64 and NT as well) offerings for OpenVMS. > 0 > The ad refers Customers to the following page:! > <http://www.cognos.com/seeofferl  D Inform is still being published? I haven't received a copy in over a year...0   Glen   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:39:20 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> ) Subject: Nine(9) VAXstation 3100s on eBay-- Message-ID: <397E4F58.BED7975D@earthlink.net>2  < There are at least nine(9) VAXstation 3100s on eBay tonight.  1 The seller does not appear to know what they are.s   --   David J. Dachterag dba DJE Systemsh http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:41:14 -0700t$ From: Grant Schoep <grant@storm.com> Subject: OpenVMS documentation) Message-ID: <397E097A.E137ED4A@storm.com>C  H Does anyone know of a mirror for OpenVMS documenttion. I can't get to it? off of Compaq's site because they have it going to port 8000 or.. something, and I think our firewall blocks it.  @ If this is a FAQ somewhere, tell me where the FAQ is too. Thanks   -grant   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jul 2000 21:55:19 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)" Subject: Re: OpenVMS documentation6 Message-ID: <8ll2c7$i7o$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  P In article <397E097A.E137ED4A@storm.com>, Grant Schoep <grant@storm.com> writes:I :Does anyone know of a mirror for OpenVMS documenttion. I can't get to ita@ :off of Compaq's site because they have it going to port 8000 or/ :something, and I think our firewall blocks it.-     From the OpenVMS FAQ:2  : DOC1.   Where can I find online copies of OpenVMS manuals?  C The Compaq OpenVMS and layered product documentation is copyrightedx	 material.   B HTML format on-line product documentation sets for specific Compaq, OpenVMS products are presently available at:  &   http://www.openvms.digital.com:8000/%   http://www.openvms.digital.com/doc/e,   http://www.openvms.digital.com/commercial/  E Documentation is offered on separately orderable CD-ROM media through I a subscription to the Consolidated On-Line Documentation (ConOLD) productuL (see VMS7.)  ConOLD manuals are readable with BNU, a viewer that is suppliedK with the documentation distribution.  BNU can display HTML, Bookreader, ands documentation in other formats.s  E MGBOOK, a viewer for Bookreader-format documentation is available foroI character-cell terminals (eg. VTxxx) via the WKU VMS Freeware file server " -- see question SOFT1 for details.6                                         [Steve Lionel]9                                         [Stephen Hoffman]p   	--   D   The second (/doc) URL in that list was put up expressly for sites 3   that have blocked access to non-privileged ports.'  A :If this is a FAQ somewhere, tell me where the FAQ is too. Thanks.  E   The OpenVMS FAQ is available at various locations, including via a a-   link located at the Compaq OpenVMS website:e  "     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/  J   FAQs for most of the newsgroups are archived at various sites, includingJ   deja.com, ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/..., and likely at L   various othyer sites.  Most every FAQ that gets posted is accessable from :   one of these locations, if you cannot find it elsewhere.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:54:40 GMT  From: jweisen@my-deja.comr& Subject: OT: ISO VAX 11/780 or similar) Message-ID: <8lkuqd$7nn$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   H So I finally saw the VAX Bar, and I have to have one. My coworkers and IH are on a mission. Does anyone have any suggestions on where I can get an0 11/780 or a similar model with the double doors?     Thanks,e John   --2 **************************************************0 "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Ad0 "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 22:04:49 +0100S$ From: Andy Burns <andy@burns.uk.net>* Subject: Re: OT: ISO VAX 11/780 or similar8 Message-ID: <040snsck8kqmrmbeioklilv1a857d3oetg@4ax.com>   jweisen@my-deja.com wrote:  I >So I finally saw the VAX Bar, and I have to have one. My coworkers and IuI >are on a mission. Does anyone have any suggestions on where I can get anr1 >11/780 or a similar model with the double doors?4  I I'd like to think that if anyone has an 11/780 that's working or remotelytD fixable they _WON'T_ turn it into a VAXbar, only the empty shells ofJ machines stripped out to repair other ones should be deemed candidates ...   -- n
 Andy Burns   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:19:12 GMTr/ From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>t* Subject: Re: OT: ISO VAX 11/780 or similar) Message-ID: <397DBE00.6CCC4E52@uiowa.edu>-   Andy Burns wrote:  >  > jweisen@my-deja.com wrote: > K > >So I finally saw the VAX Bar, and I have to have one. My coworkers and IDK > >are on a mission. Does anyone have any suggestions on where I can get an.3 > >11/780 or a similar model with the double doors?a > K > I'd like to think that if anyone has an 11/780 that's working or remotelynF > fixable they _WON'T_ turn it into a VAXbar, only the empty shells ofL > machines stripped out to repair other ones should be deemed candidates ...  A 	We have two VAX 11/780 boxes here.  I think both are functional,aF but I know one has a bad system disk...  The other has not been turnedE on for a few years and I don't know it's status.  They even have disk # racks and some TU-78 tape drives...:  B 	I have to get rid of one (or both) and have always just assumed I3 would have to pay to dispose of them in a landfill.j  ; 	IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THEM FOR PARTS?   < 	Feel free to contact me if you might be interested in them.D I think our surplus people would be grateful for the help in getting rid of them...   Regards, Rick -- fH Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:02:09 -0400e* From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>* Subject: Re: OT: ISO VAX 11/780 or similar+ Message-ID: <397E1C71.3C12296E@rtfmcsi.com>    jweisen@my-deja.com wrote:  J > So I finally saw the VAX Bar, and I have to have one. My coworkers and IJ > are on a mission. Does anyone have any suggestions on where I can get an2 > 11/780 or a similar model with the double doors? >,	 > Thanks,t > John >   7 I'd recommend that you check with one of the following:   D 1)  A university or some other educational institution that may haveJ inherited one of these because it was cheap to purchase (even if it cost a lot to maintain).i  K 2)  A used DEC equipment dealer who might have one in their warehouse.  TryrL contacting the folks at http://www.glcomp.com (Great Lakes Computer) and seeC if they've got one in either their Grand Rapids, MI or Atlanta, GA,  warehouses.     " Shipping costs might be a concern.       -- Chuck Choppt  8 ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com0                                   ICQ # 22321532@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 400 4935 pagerC                                   8004004935@alphapage.airtouch.coml   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:40:24 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>% Subject: Re:snmp master agent for VMS 7 Message-ID: <200007252340_MC2-AD85-C8E2@compuserve.com>l  J         Which TCP/IP package you are running, makes all the difference in=  J the world!  TCP/IP is not part of VMS and its documentation is not part o= fb the O/S documentation.  F         If you have UCX, a/k/a  Digital|Compaq TCPIP Services for VMS,J installed, see SYS$MANAGER:UCX$CONFIG.COM  or TCPIP$CONFIG.COM.  This wil= loJ give you a menu to configure the various TCP/IP services, SNMP among them= .I  J         If you are running Multinet, TCPware, Pathway, Fusion, or somethi= ng> else entirely, see the documentation for the product you have!  9 Message text written by INTERNET:tony_barratt@my-deja.com C >I'm a refugee from unix sysadmin land, and I'd like to use snmp to05 monitor Oracle that's running on an Open VMS cluster..E The Oracle docs tell you how to configure the snmp sub-agent, and sayc@ "Configure the SNMP Master agent. Refer to your operating system( specific documentation for instructions"C Could someone therefore point me at the fine manual? Or even better # comment on the best way do do this?u <b   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:21:48 -0400a+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>h* Subject: RE: Stirrings in the undergrowth?J Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D8052845A4@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   Shane,  K Not sure how many folks got hardcopies of the recent Compaq magazine calledPI Inform, but the last page was a full page ad from Cognos on its web based:	 products.w  I Focus of the full page ad was OpenVMS, but they do mention that they alsoe support Tru64 UNIX and NT.  9 The big url on the bottom for additional information was:  http://www.cognos.com/seeoffer/e   Soft copy version is online at:  http://www.compaq.com/inFORM/   J By the way, not sure if anyone has seen the latest "ePostcard" for OpenVMS .. check it out at:   - <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/e-postcard3/>     The other two are at: , <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/e-postcard1/>, <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/e-postcard2/>   :-)p   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant,
 Compaq Canada  Professional Services  Voice : 613-592-4660 FAX   : 819-772-7036 Email : kerry.main@compaq.comp       -----Original Message-----F From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com [mailto:Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com]# Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 8:19 PMs To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com & Subject: Stirrings in the undergrowth?    E For reasons I won't bother going into here, I just got a package fromrH Compaq. It contains some new marketing materials for OpenVMS, stuff I'veG never seen before, and some looking suspiciously like it's designed fornE Compaq salespeople. There's even a couple of high quality freebies ins there!  K I hesitate to say it may be advance material from a new marketing push, but  I live in hope.f   Shanef  H  #####   ---------------------------------------------------------------I #-O-O-# | Shane underbar S on pacbell dot net. Spam to abuse@127.0.0.1  |sH #  L  #  ---------------------------------------------------------------D  #===#   Don't blame HealthNet for anything I say. They're innocent.H   ###    OpenVMS: The operating system God runs the Earth simulation on.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:49:55 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> * Subject: Re: Stirrings in the undergrowth?, Message-ID: <397DEF55.182A03FD@videotron.ca>   "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > Shane, > M > Not sure how many folks got hardcopies of the recent Compaq magazine called0K > Inform, but the last page was a full page ad from Cognos on its web baseds > products.d  M But the article entitled "Wintel for your Power Company" with wording such asiN "industrial strength Microsoft solutions"  removes a lot of credibility to theM arguments that you need VMS for real/serious applications. Another example ofiJ Compaq shooting its more profitable products in the foot by pushing Wintel solutions at the high end.    N While VMS was not absent from that issue of Inform, it was not predominent, soT any positive message about VMS is lost amidst the wintel and unix louder statements.  M Better than complete silence, sure. But is it enough to rekindle a VMS fire ?e I am not sure.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:37:00 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-):* Subject: RE: Stirrings in the undergrowth?0 Message-ID: <009ED9D6.A332ACCF@SendSpamHere.ORG>  x In article <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D8052845A4@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> writes: >Shane,t >aL >Not sure how many folks got hardcopies of the recent Compaq magazine calledJ >Inform, but the last page was a full page ad from Cognos on its web based
 >products. > J >Focus of the full page ad was OpenVMS, but they do mention that they also >support Tru64 UNIX and NT.m > : >The big url on the bottom for additional information was:  >http://www.cognos.com/seeoffer/ >i  >Soft copy version is online at: >http://www.compaq.com/inFORM/ >tK >By the way, not sure if anyone has seen the latest "ePostcard" for OpenVMSI >... check it out at:  > . ><http://www.openvms.compaq.com/e-postcard3/>   J This link led me to a large .GIF with a "supposedly animated" tour link. AI click of that link popped up a window about "AlphaServer Contest: win an   AlphaServer DS10".  J What a fucked up web site!  The "back to the contest" link shows me a listK of winners (BTW, congrats to Mr. Malmberg!).  So where is this 10 questionsrI contest form?  For Christ sake, why doesn't Comapq make its freaking sitewK work for/with Netscape on VMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i   Where can I enter this contest?a   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM<   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:50:14 -0500@7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>W* Subject: Re: Stirrings in the undergrowth?- Message-ID: <397E0B96.D9A65579@earthlink.net>I   kparris@my-deja.com wrote: > : > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:B > > If it's nothing but more "preaching to the choir", why bother? > : > Don't discount the value of preaching to the choir. :-)   D I never said there was anything wrong with "preaching to the choir",A unless that's your sole marketing mode, as has been the case withl OpenVMS these many years...l  C Even the Catholic Church advertises (publicly) once in a blue moon.o   -- i David J. Dachteram dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/u   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:55:07 -050017 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>h* Subject: Re: Stirrings in the undergrowth?- Message-ID: <397E0CBB.B35928F6@earthlink.net>i   "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > Shane, > M > Not sure how many folks got hardcopies of the recent Compaq magazine called K > Inform, but the last page was a full page ad from Cognos on its web basedc > products.w > K > Focus of the full page ad was OpenVMS, but they do mention that they alson > support Tru64 UNIX and NT.  ? O.k. One limited distribution trade rag, but at least it _IS_ ae	 magazine.u   Now, how 'bout:a   o Time
 o Newsweek o Wall Street Journals o Ince o Forbes  $ (Add your favorite pub. to the list)  7 ...not to mention prime-time 60 and 30 second spots on:s   o CBS  o NBC  o ABC. o FOXs o WB o SciFiC o FX o TLC  o TDC   2 (Add your favorite boob-toob channel to the list.)   -- a David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/l   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jul 2000 22:18:40 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)* Subject: Re: Stirrings in the undergrowth?, Message-ID: <8ll3o0$h0q@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  g In article <397E0CBB.B35928F6@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:r@ >O.k. One limited distribution trade rag, but at least it _IS_ a
 >magazine. >h >Now, how 'bout: >e >o Timea >o Newsweek  >o Wall Street Journal >o Inc	 >o Forbesh <SNIP>  K Nah, Compaq advertising is _much_ better targeted than that.  For instance,oE there was the bird poop covered ad I saw last week.  It was carefully.K positioned on the less busy side of a phone booth - clearly visible only if2K you happened to be window shopping at the oriental carpet store next to it.NK Not that it would have mattered if anybody else had seen it as there was notG contact information on it of any kind - only the two words "Compaq" and 
 "NonStop".   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edur? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:02:05 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>2, Subject: Re: The Economist on CPQ DEC merger, Message-ID: <397DD618.7160F8FA@videotron.ca>  " "aclc@ usa.net (Alan Chee)" wrote: > =c  C > Check out the Economist's take on CPQ/DEC merger, er... takeover.g > =    > current Jul 22-28 2000 issue.eJ > http://www.economist.com/0ibEoNrl/editorial/justforyou/current/index_wb=	 4464.htmlt  J Thanks for the article. Very interesting. But the one paragraph that caug=
 ht my eye:  J As long as the Internet world is mostly based on Unix, Compaq will contin= ue to J  struggle. But if Microsoft=92s NT operating system continues to improve,=  J  eventually unseating Unix as the market leader, no company is better pla= ced thanJ  Compaq to benefit. With Microsoft=92s future in doubt, this is a risky b=
 et. But soJ  was the Digital deal. It is a sign of the times in the PC industry that = even giantsi$  have to take such risks to survive.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:38:05 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>d, Subject: Re: The Economist on CPQ DEC merger( Message-ID: <8lkq8i$63g$1@pyrite.mv.net>  J Interesting article (glad I tried again today after getting a 'bad target'E response the first time).  But I agree that the author's insights ares
 questionable.c  J I hadn't paid a great deal of attention to the situation during Pfeiffer'sK reign, but the author seems to share my impression that Pfeiffer's goal hadtI been to expand and then capitalize upon the breadth of Compaq's offerings F beyond IA-based hardware as well as just acquire a world-class serviceI organization.  And IIRC correctly the press recognized his enthusiasm forf< Alpha as co-equal to the IA hardware right up to his ouster.  I By contrast, Capellas & Co. have focused almost entirely on the IA end ofeI things.  Since that's where the big market problems seem to be right now, D one could observe that paying more attention to other areas might inE hindsight (but arguably in Pfeiffer's foresight) have been a superiortK strategy - not to mention one that would have helped elevate Compaq's imagedJ from that of purely a PC player (something that appears to be a continuing  drag on its enterprise efforts).  J And as there's little indication that this strategy is really changing, itK remains possible that they will succeed in sinking Compaq with it - unless,nF as the article notes, Win2K really does take off and save their bacon.  K So having a new services exec who seems proud of his edict to eradicate the G Digital name may not be quite as positive a move as the author seems tot think it is...  H Back when the merger occurred, there was hope that the result would be aG golden marriage of Digital engineering competence and Compaq managementrG competence.  Unfortunately, today it looks more like Compaq engineeringe6 philosophy and Digital managment style have prevailed.   - bill  5 aclc@ usa.net (Alan Chee) <spamtrap> wrote in messagen/ news:397d78a4.3334735@news.mel.comcen.com.au...BC > Check out the Economist's take on CPQ/DEC merger, er... takeover.s >y > current Jul 22-28 2000 issue.  >aL http://www.economist.com/0ibEoNrl/editorial/justforyou/current/index_wb4464. html >*G > It seems to recognise DEC's technical brilliance but a raised eyeborwe > with this statement: >E8 > "Its salespeople were known for their loyalty to theirB > customers and knowledge of their needs. Digital's customers were > fiercely loyal in return. "2 >u: > Maybe the 2nd statement is correct but diminishingly so. >u > ~alanC   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Jul 2000 15:18:42 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)iA Subject: Re: Vacancy exists : VMS Junior Sys Admin, Bracknell, UK + Message-ID: <PbAkPzwaVOwZ@eisner.decus.org>s  a In article <80256927.0062492B.00@qedilc01.qedi.quintiles.com>, steven.reece@quintiles.com writes:   N > I'm posting this again because the last posting generated only two responses? > from people that weren't very junior and were over qualified.u  > So the second posting is a bad idea, since you are looking for/ people who are too dumb to read comp.os.vms :-)e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:26:12 +0100a. From: mpatt644 <mpatt644@netscapeonline.co.uk>A Subject: Re: Vacancy exists : VMS Junior Sys Admin, Bracknell, UK 4 Message-ID: <397DF7E4.B16F9588@netscapeonline.co.uk>   Steven,A@ 	I think that some of your requirements are mutually exclusive:-    ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:  > 
 > Duties :K > Support of corporate computer system users.  Support will usually involvetK > assisting the Helpdesk to answer queries, resolve problems and respond toh6 > technical requests in a timely and efficient manner.O > Assist in capacity planning and performance monitoring to ensure that systems - > are performing efficiently and effectively.bM > Ensuring that service level agreements are met for systems availability andt
 > throughput.n  G The above sounds like a junior role, which an ex senior op/shift leader  might be up to.p     > 9 > Experience in the following areas would be beneficial :  >... DCL programming, Now you want someone who can program in DCL.  R >... modification of existing system resources to satisfy additional requirements,* Now you want someone who can tweak SYSGEN.  7 > installation and troubleshooting of layered products n. Now you want someone who can install software.  / > Storageworks disk configuration / management. ? Now you want someone who can build & configure disk subsystems.w  @ I would suggest that anyone who can ALREADY do the above 4 wouldF currently be working as a system administrator/manager and isn't going? to be that interested in taking a "Junior" position. If they'rerB currently in a junior role why would they leave to move to anotherH junior role, their next sensible step is going to be to move into a moreF senior position. Those who are currently working as Ops are not likelyH to be able to do the 4 things listed above. I think you might be waiting a long time.....     > R > Additional experience of Oracle RDMS or Unix would be useful, but not essential.  E You're a REAL optimist if you also expect this junior to be an Oracle  DBA and a UNIX head as well.    F BTW I can do all 4 above, and more, and currently work in Basingstoke,F but if I were to take a permanent job I'd want to be running the show, not be someone's junior ;-)a   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:17:16 GMTo/ From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>e" Subject: Re: VMS mail -> Unix mail) Message-ID: <397DA16C.4A39D2DD@uiowa.edu>   C >    I have a utility program I got somewhere LONG ago that runs oneF > OpenVMS to convert MAIL*.MAI files (folders and all) into the 'flat'B > files that PC and Unix mail clients like.  It even works well toA > convert your OpenVMS MAIL folders to Netscape Mail for OpenVMS.  >  >   Anonymous FTP: > > >       ftp://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/extract_mail.zip  B       Of course, as it turns out, this utility apparently does notF work on OpenVMS v7.x systems.  I did not actually write it myself and C don't have the time to debug it now, so it can only help those with- pre-v7.x systems.    Sorry, rick -- 0H Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:04:01 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>T' Subject: Re: VT510 troubleshooting: ;-) - Message-ID: <397E3901.52CDDCB3@earthlink.net>h   Islandco wrote:e > 2 > Now if that had been the Compaq PC support group >  > "Flames ou' de back, huh ???"t >  > "Ret me ask a correague -j > ; > Are you sure it switch'd on and the cuphowder is crosed ?sI > By the way, what's the serial number? - so solly - it's ou' of warrantycL > The online support group can offer technical assistance for only $xxxxxxx"   HOLY S--T, MAN !!e  + Sure hope y'all ain't running fo' office !!a   -- r David J. Dachteral dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:35:02 +0200i  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>6 Subject: Was "WAY OFF TOPIC:" Now a 1000 USD challenge+ Message-ID: <VA.0000007f.0cce052d@sture.ch>   T In article <009ED997.55BE996D@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- Brian Schenkenberger wrote: > q > In article <1620b580.09dd7413@usw-ex0102-084.remarq.com>, Jojimbo <jgesslingNOjgSPAM@yahoo.com.invalid> writes:a1 > >Wow!  With an original subject line containingp> > >"Satan" and "OS".  It's not surprising you can't figure out; > >something so simple.  Have you considered using the toolt$ > >available rather than cursing it? >c [a bit snipped]  > @ > >I think some of you should open your eyes and see there are a > >few more worlds out there.  > G > With the aid of my telescope, I've seen many.  I'm still more apt to hG > stay here on planet Earth where I can breath without the aid of heavymE > breathing apparatus or have to piss in a vacuum assisted 0G toilet.o > P Jojimbo has no idea that a telescope is what got you into this wretched thing :)5 Besides which, I now have more reasons to hate Win98.-  ) I just feel like laying down a challenge:t   Silly season has struck!  Q It's simple. I have 2 PCs here, a Zyxel 100IH ISDN router. Win98, German version,nM about 25GB disk space. RedHat 6.0 on one of them as dual boot. German NT alsog
 available.  Y Can someone tell me how to configure the damn thing to actually talk to my router and usebL the router to call my ISP? With Win98 (hah). Or linux without making me read( 750K HOWTO files which are generic unix?  R Properly? Without making me have to boot into linux, restore, and then connect via* an analog modem to get a connection again?  K Can anyone in the whole wide world show me how to install my Zyxel software- in English rather than German?  3 Can anyone sort me out with the following solution?-   2 Intel PCS.   I want:-D    seamless connection via my router to the internet (Win98 & Linux)M    dual win whatever and linux boot on one system, probably win on the other,hR        leaving me with a working internet connection on the one which still works?#    my cd burner to work, in EnglisheV    my digital camera to work (English please) (yes, I bought this last week, with USB,R        but need WIN98 SE for it to work out of the box (German version, remember))P        Yes I can buy other interfaces, but I am angry that I need w98 SE to makeM        the bugger work as is. Alternative is another bit of cable/kit for NT.u        iM 1000 USD to the person who can make it work, using non-pirated s/w. I'll give R 2 free nights board and lodging, and free food. Maximum 2 x 12 hours work allowed.  [ If at the end of the weekend it works, I'll be taking you to the local ATM and transferringaO the 1000 USD direct to your bank account (I let you type in your bank details).   [ OTOH, if you can't manage it in that time, I want 1000 USD from you, for wasting my time...a   Bet no-one can do it...    t ___d  
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:18:27 GMTr% From: dpm@myths.com (David P. Murphy)-E Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/Sn. Message-ID: <sns1138v3j134@news.supernews.com>  . Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote:  N > No, while we are Explorer bashing, why oh why oh why can't I cut that stringO > in the window title bar that shows the full path of the current file selectede5 > into the buffer so I can paste it somewhere useful?e  N welcome to the wonderful world of TWEAK UI (also known as POWER TOY in Win95).H after installing it, there are several new useful options.  here is one:       fire up Windows Explorer     select C:\WINDOWSp!     right-click on file at randomb,     move mouse over menu selection "Send To"     submenu appearso(     choose menu selection "Clip Name(s)"?     clipboard now contains the string "C:\WINDOWS\DRWATSON.EXE"n  D yes, i realize it is the full filespec and you wanted just the path,F but this is Windows, so be glad you get too much instead of too little (for once).e  C see http://www.pcforrest.freeserve.co.uk/tweakui.htm for more info.a   ok dpme -- a3 David P. Murphy          http://www.myths.com/~dpm/r- systems programmer        ftp://ftp.myths.combC                          mailto:dpm@myths.com            (personal)oC COGITO ERGO DISCLAMO     mailto:dmurphy@ac-tech.com          (work)C   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:26:46 -0400a% From: "Islandco" <sales@islandco.com>!J Subject: Re: What graphics cards are supported by OpenVMS on a AlphaServer/ Message-ID: <sns0u4qg3j1149@corp.supernews.com>T   Alan   We have a large qty in stock   Call us if you need some   PArt Number  PBXGK-BBr   Davidd   -- Island Computers US Corporationn 2700 Gregory Streeti	 Suite 150h Savannah GA 31404s Tel: 912 447 66229 Fax: 912 201 0096t sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com  C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.H They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyK are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient,sG please notify Island Computers US Corp immediately and then delete thisi message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying  of this message is prohibited.      > Fred Kleinsorge <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message% news:8lkep5$7k6$1@lead.zk3.dec.com...-H > The card is a Permedia2 based card.  ELSA GLoria Synergy-8 (i.e. 8mb). >vH > The 3DLabs Oxygen VX1 (16mb) will replace that card in October.  It is > Permedia-3 based.s >- >  >78 > Alan Frisbie wrote in message <$8GTiEhR$12u@flying>...F > >In article <OF1BA869C6.0A660487-ON88256926.007732AE@HEALTHNET.COM>,& > >Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes: > >tH > >> Yes, Elsa used to use Nvidia TNT and TNT2, then they moved onto the > NvidiaL > >> GeForce, followed by the GeForce II GTS. All four of these chipsets areI > >> currently served by the same driver distribution, although the later  ones- > >> use some extensions the older two don't.  > >sJ > >and "Paul A. Jacobi" <Paul.Jacobi@COMPAQ.COM> on 07/24/2000 02:12:23 PM	 > >wrote:  > >nG > >> The ELSA Gloria Synergy card is based upon the Permedia2 graphics. * > >> This is what is supported by OpenVMS. > >>K > >> For the Synergy II, I believe ELSA switched over to Nvida TNT chipset,t. > >> which there is no OpenVMS driver support. > >f; > >These two statements appear to contradict each other, so/ > >I'm more confused than ever!- > >-> > >I just looked at the board to try and identify the chipset,= > >but it is covered by a heat sink.   The label on the boardn= > >says "Gloria Synergy-8", but the manual says "Synergy II",. > >for what that's worth.B > >2; > >If only the original Gloria Synergy is supported by VMS,i< > >where can I get some?   What chipset or identifying marks > >should I be looking for?n > >h > >Alano > >u > >-- E > >--  Alan E. Frisbie             Frisbie "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" ComIC > >--  Flying Disk Systems, Inc.   Abuse "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Como >n >n   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jul 2000 17:16:39 PDT* From: abuse@flying-disk.com (Alan Frisbie)J Subject: Re: What graphics cards are supported by OpenVMS on a AlphaServer! Message-ID: <1kQglv6GwkkH@flying>t  , In article <8lkep5$7k6$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, 7 "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:o  H > The card is a Permedia2 based card.  ELSA GLoria Synergy-8 (i.e. 8mb).  6 You mean the one I have, or the one that VMS supports?  H > The 3DLabs Oxygen VX1 (16mb) will replace that card in October.  It is > Permedia-3 based.a  ; I assume you mean that VMS will support the VX1 in October.p Is that correct?   Thanks,: Alan   -- oB --  Alan E. Frisbie             Frisbie "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com@ --  Flying Disk Systems, Inc.   Abuse "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.414 ************************