1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 27 Jul 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 416       Contents: Re: Alpha PWS500a(u)G Answer (sort-of) to Is older Alpha hardware no good for Seagate discs ? K Re: Answer (sort-of) to Is older Alpha hardware no good for Seagate discs ? K Re: Answer (sort-of) to Is older Alpha hardware no good for Seagate discs ?  APOLOGY , Book FS: VAX-VMS Internals & Data Structures0 Re: Book FS: VAX-VMS Internals & Data Structures boot problem from the cd rom  Re: boot problem from the cd rom- Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working - Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working  Doubt reg.  disk mounting ...." Re: Doubt reg.  disk mounting ....% Doubt Reg. Mouting of disks in VMS...  ES40 4Gb Kit $13,000 Re: Gembase (gem.dmp files)  Re: Ground Hog Day Re: Ground Hog Day Re: GS140 write I/O wall) Re: Interbase 6.0 released as Open Source ) Re: Interbase 6.0 released as Open Source ) Re: Interbase 6.0 released as Open Source . Re: Keyboard/Video/Mouse switch for Alpha & PC. Re: Keyboard/Video/Mouse switch for Alpha & PC" Re: Killing a process in VMS 7.1-2 Re: Memory & CPU Support  Re: Microvax 3100-10 and 20  $99 Re: mime versions 1 Re: Mlucas performance probelm - need expert help ( RE: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com OpenVMS Galaxy Re: OpenVMS Galaxy" Re: OpenVMS Registry Configuration/ problem starting decmotif and monitor problems. $ Shades of "Nothing sucks like a VAX" Re: Shareable images Re: Shareable images To Martin Vorlaender1 Re: Was "WAY OFF TOPIC:" Now a 1000 USD challenge 1 Re: Was "WAY OFF TOPIC:" Now a 1000 USD challenge A Re: What graphics cards are supported by OpenVMS on a AlphaServer ) Where is documentation ordering web page? - Re: Where is documentation ordering web page? - Re: Where is documentation ordering web page?  Re: WordPerfect for OpenVMS   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 26 Jul 2000 10:32:18 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.293778.killspam.0223 (Wayne Sewell)  Subject: Re: Alpha PWS500a(u) . Message-ID: <1EQXTIiaiNLb@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  W In article <snet61ft6tt182@corp.supernews.com>, "Islandco" <sales@islandco.com> writes:  > Wayne  > . > BUT .... We DO sell a lot of Alpha's on Ebay > L > You might be surprised at how many people try to purchase product directly& > even when a REAL auction is going onH > Most people, IMHO, don't like dealing with the idea they could lose an	 > auction  > < > Obviously that person wants the product for auction anyhowM > If they can buy it directly without the hassle of bidding, all the better !  > K > We are a reputable dealer with low prices - they are low because we don't L > spend $10,000 on a full color add in trade rags and on "Click" advertising5 > We cannot afford to do so with the margins we make.  > L > We (I should say I prey) prey on these newsgroups because there are viableJ > customers who obviously make decisions in the way of purchasing product.K > If you did a poll, I would doubt VERY much that we would get any negative 0 > feedback in the way of quality of our product.L > We test everything that goes out - we pack product carefully and we give 1+ > year warranty on EVERYTHING that we sell.  > N > So, going back to the point of auctions - it is the cheapest, most effective@ > way, of getting non-time-wasters contacting us to buy product. > J > However you look at it; we are pretty stright up about what we are doingJ > For example, the reserve price of the product currently on Ebay is $1495M > This isn't just some stupid guess as to market value, but a cost+20% price.  > H > We cannot go lower than this price because it would not make financial > sense.1 > So again, I say - Why waste everyone's time ???  > H > Also - as to misleading people on Ebay via the Subject line of Auction > listings. K > Everyone looks at them and the description of product - it is as plain as ) > plain can be with reference to pricing. L > They can always go bid on one from someone else they don't know and take a	 > chance.   L Yeah, whatever.  I just wish there was some way of identifying your auctionsK from the brief listing, to avoid wasting time calling them up and instantly  exiting after seeing your name.   M Your entry into the wonderful world of ebay would be a good thing if it meant E you would stop posting advertisements here, but now you advertize the N *auctions* in comp.os.vms.  That's how this thread started in the first place.     --  O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== O Otter, on dining with Bluto:"It's perfectly safe if you keep your arms and legs  			away from his mouth."   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:37:58 +0100 L From: Lewis Nodes <CHAA009@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk> (RHBNC, University of London)P Subject: Answer (sort-of) to Is older Alpha hardware no good for Seagate discs ?0 Message-ID: <000726193758.48bb@mail.rhbnc.ac.uk>  L A few weeks ago I asked if there is some problem with using Seagate discs onN older Alpha hardware (specifically ST39173N discs on DEC2000-300S).  Thanks toP those who replied,  but the answer came from CSC Basingstoke,  which is that theP AHA1742A SCSI controllers in these systems use SCSI-1 and these discs are set toE use SCSI-2.  If the discs can be set to SCSI-1 then they should work.   P I obtained a copy of CoComp's "SCSI-Pro" (runs on NT) which includes the abilityM to setup SCSI discs, e.g. set mode pages etc.  The operation required in this O case is a "change definition" command.  Having done this to set SCSI-1 working, O the disc then gets further on VMS - previously the PK device reported an error, M but now the disc itself reports an error "Sense Key Specific Byte 0 x00 Sense / Key Data NOT Valid" (Full error report at end).   N How is this interpreted, and does it point to anything in the mode pages which can be changed ?   Regards, Lewis Nodes  RHBNC, University of London.    - Logging OS                        1. OpenVMS  + System Architecture               2. Alpha  . OS version                           V7.2     % Event sequence number             4.  < Timestamp of occurrence              21-JUL-2000 15:55:56   6 Time since reboot                    0 Day(s) 0:01:52 . Host name                            VENUS      8 System Model                         DEC 2000 Model 300   2 Entry type                        1. Device Error   ' ---- Device Profile ----                - Unit                                 $5$DKB0  . Product Name                         ST39173N - Vendor                               SEAGATE    ' -- Driver Supplied Info -               * Device Firmware Revision             4268 E VMS SCSI Error Type               5. Extended Sense Data from Device  $ SCSI ID                         x00 $ SCSI LUN                        x00 $ SCSI SUBLUN                     x00 M Port Status               x00000001  NORMAL  -  normal successful completion  5 Command Opcode                  x00  Test Unit Ready  ' Command Data                            $                                 x00 $                                 x00 $                                 x00 $                                 x00 $                                 x00 '                                         5 SCSI Status                     x02  Check Condition  % Remaining Byte Length            18.    ' --- Device Sense Data ---                 3 Error Code                      x70  Current Error  $ Segment #                       x00 $ Information Byte 3              x00 $             Byte 2              x00 $             Byte 1              x00 $             Byte 0              x00 4 Sense Key                       x06  Unit Attention $ Additional Sense Length         x0A $ CMD Specific Info Byte 3        x00 $                   Byte 2        x00 $                   Byte 1        x00 $                   Byte 0        x00 4 ASC & ASCQ                    x2902  ASC  =   x0029 4                                      ASCQ =   x0002 =                                      SCSI Bus Reset occurred  $ FRU Code                        x02 > Sense Key Specific Byte 0       x00  Sense Key Data NOT Valid $                    Byte 1       x00 $                    Byte 2       x00   ' ----- Software Info -----               : UCB$x_ERTCNT                     16. Retries Remaining    : UCB$x_ERTMAX                     16. Retries Allowable    , IRP$Q_IOSB                x0000000000000000 , UCB$x_STS                 x08000910  Online *                                      Busy 4                                      Software Valid M                                      Unit supports the Extended Function bit  8 IRP$L_PID                 x00010009  Requestor "PID"    9 IRP$x_BOFF                        0. Byte Page Offset     A IRP$x_BCNT                        0. Transfer Size In Byte(s)     9 UCB$x_ERRCNT                      1. Errors This Unit     8 UCB$L_OPCNT                     156. QIO's This Unit    3 ORB$L_OWNER               x00010004  Owners UIC     : UCB$L_DEVCHAR1            x1CC54008  Directory Structured 3                                      File Oriented  .                                      Sharable /                                      Available  3                                      Error Logging  /                                      Allocated  6                                      Capable of Input 7                                      Capable of Output  3                                      Random Access     ------------------------------   Date: 26 Jul 00 16:54:32 EDT From: grant@rigel.cc.wmich.eduT Subject: Re: Answer (sort-of) to Is older Alpha hardware no good for Seagate discs ?/ Message-ID: <XUqMkJ1CxT$c@mcduck.acs.wmich.edu>    In article <000726193758.48bb@mail.rhbnc.ac.uk>, Lewis Nodes <CHAA009@alpha1.rhbnc.ac.uk> (RHBNC, University of London) writes: N > A few weeks ago I asked if there is some problem with using Seagate discs onP > older Alpha hardware (specifically ST39173N discs on DEC2000-300S).  Thanks toR > those who replied,  but the answer came from CSC Basingstoke,  which is that theR > AHA1742A SCSI controllers in these systems use SCSI-1 and these discs are set toG > use SCSI-2.  If the discs can be set to SCSI-1 then they should work.  > R > I obtained a copy of CoComp's "SCSI-Pro" (runs on NT) which includes the abilityO > to setup SCSI discs, e.g. set mode pages etc.  The operation required in this Q > case is a "change definition" command.  Having done this to set SCSI-1 working, Q > the disc then gets further on VMS - previously the PK device reported an error, O > but now the disc itself reports an error "Sense Key Specific Byte 0 x00 Sense 1 > Key Data NOT Valid" (Full error report at end).  > P > How is this interpreted, and does it point to anything in the mode pages which > can be changed ?  K I think this is a VMS version issue.  Older versions of VMS (somewhere back E prior to 6.2 approximately) didn't handle the "extended sense bytes".  I believe current versions do.   > 
 > Regards,
 > Lewis Nodes  > RHBNC, University of London. >  > / > Logging OS                        1. OpenVMS  - > System Architecture               2. Alpha  0 > OS version                           V7.2     ' > Event sequence number             4.  > > Timestamp of occurrence              21-JUL-2000 15:55:56   8 > Time since reboot                    0 Day(s) 0:01:52 0 > Host name                            VENUS     > : > System Model                         DEC 2000 Model 300  > 4 > Entry type                        1. Device Error  > ) > ---- Device Profile ----                / > Unit                                 $5$DKB0  0 > Product Name                         ST39173N / > Vendor                               SEAGATE   > ) > -- Driver Supplied Info -               , > Device Firmware Revision             4268 G > VMS SCSI Error Type               5. Extended Sense Data from Device  & > SCSI ID                         x00 & > SCSI LUN                        x00 & > SCSI SUBLUN                     x00 O > Port Status               x00000001  NORMAL  -  normal successful completion  7 > Command Opcode                  x00  Test Unit Ready  ) > Command Data                            & >                                 x00 & >                                 x00 & >                                 x00 & >                                 x00 & >                                 x00 ) >                                         7 > SCSI Status                     x02  Check Condition  ' > Remaining Byte Length            18.   > ) > --- Device Sense Data ---                > 5 > Error Code                      x70  Current Error  & > Segment #                       x00 & > Information Byte 3              x00 & >             Byte 2              x00 & >             Byte 1              x00 & >             Byte 0              x00 6 > Sense Key                       x06  Unit Attention & > Additional Sense Length         x0A & > CMD Specific Info Byte 3        x00 & >                   Byte 2        x00 & >                   Byte 1        x00 & >                   Byte 0        x00 6 > ASC & ASCQ                    x2902  ASC  =   x0029 6 >                                      ASCQ =   x0002 ? >                                      SCSI Bus Reset occurred  & > FRU Code                        x02 @ > Sense Key Specific Byte 0       x00  Sense Key Data NOT Valid & >                    Byte 1       x00 & >                    Byte 2       x00  > ) > ----- Software Info -----               < > UCB$x_ERTCNT                     16. Retries Remaining    < > UCB$x_ERTMAX                     16. Retries Allowable    . > IRP$Q_IOSB                x0000000000000000 . > UCB$x_STS                 x08000910  Online , >                                      Busy 6 >                                      Software Valid O >                                      Unit supports the Extended Function bit  : > IRP$L_PID                 x00010009  Requestor "PID"    ; > IRP$x_BOFF                        0. Byte Page Offset     C > IRP$x_BCNT                        0. Transfer Size In Byte(s)     ; > UCB$x_ERRCNT                      1. Errors This Unit     : > UCB$L_OPCNT                     156. QIO's This Unit    5 > ORB$L_OWNER               x00010004  Owners UIC     < > UCB$L_DEVCHAR1            x1CC54008  Directory Structured 5 >                                      File Oriented  0 >                                      Sharable 1 >                                      Available  5 >                                      Error Logging  1 >                                      Allocated  8 >                                      Capable of Input 9 >                                      Capable of Output  5 >                                      Random Access   >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 01:05:07 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)T Subject: Re: Answer (sort-of) to Is older Alpha hardware no good for Seagate discs ?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2707000105070001@user-2ive63s.dialup.mindspring.com>  O In article <XUqMkJ1CxT$c@mcduck.acs.wmich.edu>, grant@rigel.cc.wmich.edu wrote:     M > I think this is a VMS version issue.  Older versions of VMS (somewhere back G > prior to 6.2 approximately) didn't handle the "extended sense bytes".   > I believe current versions do.   But he's running version 7.2:   1 > > Logging OS                        1. OpenVMS  / > > System Architecture               2. Alpha  1 > > OS version                           V7.2       E I would have expected it to handle a slightly odd disk.  I don't know K what to suggest next.  Perhaps GCE or one of the other experts will suggest 
 something.  D I had similar problems on a newish alpha with a disk that is SCSI-3.L VMS 7.1 didn't like it, but 7.1-2 did.  Perhaps going to version 7.2-1 would
 help here?   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:49:54 GMT0 From: complaints@barcelona.com Subject: APOLOGY6 Message-ID: <mpGf5.3004$yl5.8820@telenews.teleline.es>  # To all the users of this newsgroup:o  s Please let us *APOLOGISE* for a Spam sent this afternoon regarding e-mail accounts and connection at barcelona.com.   g: It was sent by an unauthorized person of our organization.  m We agree that 100% OT and was sent out despite our telling people that Usenet was to be left strictly alone. h  Z We have found out who sent it and we've told appropriate LARTings are about to be issued.   O Again, please accept our apologies and assurance that this is being dealt with.b    5 Please, for complaints reach complaints@barcelona.come     Eduard Solep* Creative Director of Barcelona City Portal   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:00:14 GMT  From: gschmidt2@my-deja.coma5 Subject: Book FS: VAX-VMS Internals & Data Structuresc) Message-ID: <8lnjgr$6rm$1@nnrp1.deja.com>h  ( Out of print and in mint condition, see:: http://www.half.com/products/books/detail.cfm?item=3283114    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 23:41:59 GMTt= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)e9 Subject: Re: Book FS: VAX-VMS Internals & Data Structures 0 Message-ID: <009EDAC2.06D48D37@SendSpamHere.ORG>  G In article <8lnjgr$6rm$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, gschmidt2@my-deja.com writes:r) >Out of print and in mint condition, see:h; >http://www.half.com/products/books/detail.cfm?item=3283114   C FYI, I checked this URL and the ISBN is for the version of the I&DSrC that predates the Version 4.4.  I had to pull mine off of the shelfdD and blow off a layer of dust to check it out.  If you're a collectorD of fine Digital antiquities and curios, it is a real nice buy at the price.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM8   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Jul 2000 01:37:29 GMT! From: gigglegs@aol.com (Gigglegs)o% Subject: boot problem from the cd romr: Message-ID: <20000726213729.27782.00000319@ng-cn1.aol.com>   Hi All, L I am having a problem with booting to my cd rom.  Using the hobbyist cd fromO Montagar software. Previously I was able to boot to the cd rom.  This is what IiN get when I try to boot now:  Does anyone have any idea what is going on?  Your help is appreciated  Thanks in advancer   >>>boot dka500 (boot dka500.5.0.6.0) / block 0 of dka500.5.0.6.0 is a valid boot blocko reading 896 blocks from dka... bootstrap code read in ...  ...l jumping to the bootstrap codee% failed to send read to dka500.5.0.6.0o% failed to send read to dka500.5.0.6.0v9 $SYSBOOT-F-LDFAIL,bootdriver load failed, status=00000044a halted CPU 0 halt code=5y ...e ...e >>>t Gigglegs@aol.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:44:25 -0700 * From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Barry@mmaz.com>) Subject: Re: boot problem from the cd roma( Message-ID: <397FB019.F4DA7A04@mmaz.com>   Gigglegs wrote:.   > jumping to the bootstrap codet' > failed to send read to dka500.5.0.6.01' > failed to send read to dka500.5.0.6.0e; > $SYSBOOT-F-LDFAIL,bootdriver load failed, status=00000044h > halted CPU 0
 > halt code=5a  J Don't know, but %x44 is an error for %SYSTEM-F-BADIMGHDR, bad image header  P Are you using the same CD as before on the same CD drive?  No alterations to PAL
 microcode?   Barryr   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:33:40 GMTt/ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>c6 Subject: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and workingF Message-ID: <8aGf5.9924$Uo6.528480@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  F First,  let me apologize for inserting my 2 cents where it was neither requested, nor beneficial.  B Second, I thank you for explaining your position to me rather than@ flaming me.  That is how a good discussion should be carried out  @ I hope you get to go to both seminars.  I am sure that you would3 find both of them beneficial in one way or another.i  , <rob.lesan@zdnetonebox.com> wrote in message# news:8ln3fi$po4$1@nnrp1.deja.com...uJ > In article <BADf5.17062$o71.1092502@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,4 >   "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote:F > > I don't think the reply deserved such sarcasm.  You asked why you,@ > > at tandem professional, should attend CETS2000, instead of aA > > tandem-centric event.  The answer indicated that there was no=D > > reason,  and that you should attend an event appropriate to your@ > > needs.  What is wrong wiht that?  Now, if he said you should< > > attend CETS2000, then you would deserver some rationale. > G > Why not?  I Tandem/Compaq have talked about consolidating user groups=@ > and conferences since the day they merged.  I recently changedI > employers and have not recieved any information on ITUG.  With they waylF > things have gone in the past, I would not have been suprised to find4 > out that this IS ITUG and I simply didn't know it. >AG > On the other hand, what if the CETS 2000 conference was the technicals; > side of ITUG?  Here is an excerpt from the CETS web site:? >e. > -------------------------------------------- > G > Technical Breadth - Entire range of Compaq Technologies and Solutionsn >lF > Latest platform technologies including Compaq Tru64 UnixUNIX, Linux,& > OVMS, NSK, NetWare, and Windows 2000 >m. > -------------------------------------------- >AG > This clearly states that NSK (Tandem) will be showcased here.  I have E > always enjoyed ITUG, but these days my manager gets more out of it. 5 > The CETS web page led me to believe that this was a A > technical/engineering conference and would be more to my speed.s >cH > The lack of explanation in the original response is what I was gettingG > at.  That and the total anonymitiy of the response begged me to reply D > in the way I did.  There was absolutely no explanation as to why I > should seek one or the other.  >cG > BTW, since this was posted to a Tandem specific newsgroup, I felt the G > explanation might just help some of the other members decide as well.s >iG > Heck, maybe I will attend both this year and see which one I actuallyoE > get more out of.  Until now, I had never heard of CETS, this entiret# > discussion has helped me greatly.i >  > Tks all... > 0 > > <rob.lesan@zdnetonebox.com> wrote in message' > > news:8lmns4$gfm$1@nnrp1.deja.com... 8 > > > In article <8llg85$e78$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>,@ > > >   "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> wrote:H > > > > > I am a Tandem professional, is this primarily a non-NSK event? > MostF > > > > > everything on the website talks about solution providers for > other G > > > > > platforms.  ITUG is at the end of October, why would/should I  > attend > > > > > this?d > > > > 4 > > > > You should attend ITUG (www.ITUG.org/events) > > > D > > > Gee, thanks for the informative and helpfull reply.  Thanks to	 > this, I 4 > > > can make an intelligent and informed decision! > > > 0 > > > ------------------------------------------ > > > Rob LesanI0 > > > Tandem Systems Programmer/Database Analyst > > > rob.lesan@zdnetonebox.como0 > > > ------------------------------------------ > > >  > > > , > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy.  > >  > >  >  > --, > ------------------------------------------ > Rob Lesan , > Tandem Systems Programmer/Database Analyst > rob.lesan@zdnetonebox.com , > ------------------------------------------ >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:56:34 GMT - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> 6 Subject: Re: CETS2000 Registration is open and working( Message-ID: <397F3454.E3180EAD@ohio.edu>  L Within two hours of making the post below, I was contacted by telephone fromQ [CETS, presumably, my voicemail recording was a bit fuzzy] in St. Louis, offeringtK to help bypass the standard procedure so that I could register with a P.O.!0  N Granted, I don't personally have the need of bypassing the process, being at aM public institution, but someone is being quick to respond to comp.os.vms, for  sure.   #                                 RDPA     "Richard D. Piccard" wrote:   P > And what about private institutions of higher education, such as Caltech?  Why3 > would any of their staff think to check that box?O >a% >                                 RDP0 >  > Carl Karcher wrote:  > M > > In a previous article, kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) wrote:  > > ->Q > > ->The only option to get through the registration process is via credit card. P > > ->What about those of us who need to register via company Purchase Order? InO > > ->the past I've filled out the hard copy form, had management sign off, and ? > > ->our purchasing folks issue a PO, followed u with a check.U > > ->P > > ->How do you register this time if your company is paying for the symposium? > > J > > If you check the box indicating you're a government organization, thenJ > > you'll get a choice of paying by a PO. No credit card number required. >  > --D > ==================================================================D > Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerD > piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesD > http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:45:18 -0700 (PDT)-) From: mohamed irfan <irfn_1999@yahoo.com>:' Subject: Doubt reg.  disk mounting ....u= Message-ID: <20000727024518.320.qmail@web1611.mail.yahoo.com>f   Sir,  6 Following question was put up by one of the student. I3 will be very much thankfull to you, if a convincing,! answer is given to this question.a  5 In openVMS/VMS why the mouting of disks are required?k6 Is it not possible to use the disks without mounting?   3 We know that this is a very basic question, hence a3. convincing answer/suggestion/refernce would be
 appereciated.    Anticipating an early reply. With Regards ... Irfan.   =====A    2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?: Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:09:02 -0700i* From: "George Shouse" <USENET@Shouses.com>+ Subject: Re: Doubt reg.  disk mounting ....a, Message-ID: <8log5j01oit@enews3.newsguy.com>  6 "mohamed irfan" <irfn_1999@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:20000727024518.320.qmail@web1611.mail.yahoo.com...  >  > Sir, > 8 > Following question was put up by one of the student. I5 > will be very much thankfull to you, if a convincingn# > answer is given to this question.a >d7 > In openVMS/VMS why the mouting of disks are required?e7 > Is it not possible to use the disks without mounting?  >s5 > We know that this is a very basic question, hence ay0 > convincing answer/suggestion/refernce would be > appereciated.s >s > Anticipating an early reply. > With Regards ... > Irfan.  K What are they students of?  What is the context of the question?  Is it thecK fact that when you put in a CD or a floppy on a VMS machine, you must issue.C a command to access it as opposed to the Microsoft toy systems thatrJ automatically mount and run anything that you put in them?  I am not awareL of an operating system that does not require the mounting of a disk in orderI for it to be used.  It may be transparent or automatic, but I think it ity must occur.    --) George Shouse      http://www.shouses.comr) ----------------------------------------- ) Always A Fan of the World Champion Lakers " Retire #99 and Hang the Banners!!!   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 19:56:10 -0700 (PDT)f) From: mohamed irfan <irfn_1999@yahoo.com>i. Subject: Doubt Reg. Mouting of disks in VMS...> Message-ID: <20000727025610.9342.qmail@web1607.mail.yahoo.com>   Sir,  . Following is the question put up by one of our3 student. We know that this question is a very basicS6 level one and hence we will be very much thankfull, if a convincing answer is given.   2 In openVMS/VMS why disks are mounted before using?  4 Expecting an early reply. Please mail the details to irfn_1999@yahoo.com.   With Regards ... Irfan.   =====     2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?: Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 15:05:07 -0400 % From: "Islandco" <sales@islandco.com>  Subject: ES40 4Gb Kit $13,000 / Message-ID: <snud0frj3j1117@corp.supernews.com>C  0 We have a special running until Friday 28th July  2 ES40 4GB memory kit with lifetime warranty $13,000  . Call 877-636 4332 for more details or to order       -- Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory Streets	 Suite 150  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0096n sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com  C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.H They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyK are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, G please notify Island Computers US Corp immediately and then delete thisB message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying  of this message is prohibited.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:20:29 GMT  From: jweisen@my-deja.comR$ Subject: Re: Gembase (gem.dmp files)) Message-ID: <8lnv8a$fji$1@nnrp1.deja.com>$    Hrmm...VMS + Gembase + Oracle...   Any chance this is Ross RenCS?  9 In article <C904D185C744D31189A90008C7EB6684B08304@dovu>,s3   Patrick Nirmal Sharma <Patrick@fsc.com.fj> wrote:a > Greetings, > H > My Alpha system disk is running low on available spaces due to alot of- > dump files being created on my system disk.I; > The files are created are: $1$DKC0:[SYS0.SYSMGR]GEM.DMP;*e; > Any clues as to how I can find a solution to the problem.I >y > System Details are as follow:  >  > VMS Version 7.1-2h > Gembase version 5.6-3N > Oracle Rdb V7.0-3  >.	 > Patrick  >t >    --2 **************************************************0 "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Ad0 "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 17:31:21 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: Ground Hog Day - Message-ID: <397F66B9.ECED9485@earthlink.net>e   Richard wrote: > 2 > This may sound like a bizarre request, but . . .  , Well, actually, Jefferson Humber wrote that.  H I guess the first favor he can do for himself is to ditch the Micro$hit.  E Won't solve *ALL* his problems, but will at least get him back up and: posting again!   --   David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/d   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:30:40 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Ground Hog Dayo7 Message-ID: <200007270031_MC2-ADA0-1EDE@compuserve.com>   +         Err. . .  What were you requesting?g   Message text written by Richard 1 >This may sound like a bizarre request, but . . .e    F * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also findH related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is	 Beautifult <    ------------------------------   Date: 27 Jul 2000 02:21:15 GMT' From: dashw459@aol.comeatspam (Doug W.) ! Subject: Re: GS140 write I/O wallS: Message-ID: <20000726222115.11760.00000621@ng-md1.aol.com>   Compaq wrote...w  > >I have been running on an 8 CPU GS140 for several years now. 1 >The system has evolved from EV6/525 and EV6/700., > K >My performance tests have delivered maximum WRITE throughputs varying froms8 >1.2 Megabytes per second (1 block random write IOs ) to; >94.3 Megabytes per second (127 block random write IOs )to  ; >150 Megabytes per second (127 block sequential write IOs )c: >248 Megabytes per second (127 block sequential READ IOs )7 >with various configurations including CI, SCSI and FC.  > I >I may have come close to being CPU bound, but analysis of data indicates @ >that adapter and controller capacity were the limiting factors.  L My initial reaction was how did you manage this and when can I purchase it. L Unfortunately my interest is apples and the figures above refer to oranges. J Briefly, I need 80MB sustained bandwidth to a single contiguous fixed sizeL preallocated file.  The implementation chosen uses home brewed striping overO multiple controllers and disks via aynchronous Qios with multiple qios inflightrH per disk.  This works just fine on an ES40 but not on a GS140.  Its veryM scalable, low cost and light on CPU.  It does however intensively exercise  a1L few hardware components.  Not exactly your mainstream VMS user requirements.  I The figures from Compaq refer to tests using multiple files, many lightlynG loaded storage products and I am not sure how much CPU.  The expense is-N astronomical.  The figures look good and it probably appeals to mainstream VMS users.  N Prove to us that you have an 80MB solution, even an expensive one and you haveK a big sale.  Until then we stand behind our test results,  the GS140 hits acL write wall at 25MB.  We are now making plans to leave the GS140.  A platformK that on the Digital web site belongs to a series delivering "the absolutelyl highest I/O".   N Note that our configuration and test tools have been made available to Compaq.   DW   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 20:42:52 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")2 Subject: Re: Interbase 6.0 released as Open Source8 Message-ID: <009EDA8F.DC0826C3@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  \ In article <8lmu3q$ns8$1@lisa.gemair.com>, jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) writes:9 >Well, Interbase 6 has been released as Open Source underi6 >a license very similar to the one in which Mozilla is >released, I understand. >w >You can find out about it t >w. >  http://www.borland.com/interbase/index.html >r >here. >p: >I've downloaded it, and some of you might be glad to hear6 >that it doesn't include the dreaded configure script. >c; >I understand that the code is very portable.  I wonder how.8 >hard it would be to get this going on OpenVMS?  Didn't 6 >someone say that this was based on something that was >originally on OpenVMS?,  M Well, to be precise, Interbase from Borland/Inprise used to be Interbase from N Interbase, and before that it was Galaxy from Groton Database Systems, and theN internal design of Galaxy was - as I understand it - Jim Starkey's design  forJ Rdb/Eln, rejected - he felt - for political rather than technical reasons.  I It was certainly multiplatform from the get-go, but I don't recollect if a VMS was involved.l   --Alan    O ===============================================================================h0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056hM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 01:01:26 GMTe2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>2 Subject: Re: Interbase 6.0 released as Open Source1 Message-ID: <GRLf5.7$mO3.352@typhoon.aracnet.com>   0 Jordan Henderson <jordan@lisa.gemair.com> wrote:< > I understand that the code is very portable.  I wonder how9 > hard it would be to get this going on OpenVMS?  Didn't c7 > someone say that this was based on something that wasm > originally on OpenVMS?  F I've no idea how hard it would be, but I'd sure love to see a databaseJ available for Hobbyist use on OpenVMS!  Is there any (even primitive ones) currently available?   		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:23:37 -0700 2 From: "Randy Park" <rjpark@mindspring.com.nospaam>2 Subject: Re: Interbase 6.0 released as Open Source2 Message-ID: <8loh2i$rv4$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>  L "Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr" <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> wrote= in message news:009EDA8F.DC0826C3@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU...tK > In article <8lmu3q$ns8$1@lisa.gemair.com>, jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordano Henderson) writes:; > >Well, Interbase 6 has been released as Open Source underu8 > >a license very similar to the one in which Mozilla is > >released, I understand. > >g > >You can find out about it > >e0 > >  http://www.borland.com/interbase/index.html > >v > >here. > >a< > >I've downloaded it, and some of you might be glad to hear8 > >that it doesn't include the dreaded configure script. > >a= > >I understand that the code is very portable.  I wonder howG9 > >hard it would be to get this going on OpenVMS?  Didn't-8 > >someone say that this was based on something that was > >originally on OpenVMS?p >TJ > Well, to be precise, Interbase from Borland/Inprise used to be Interbase fromL > Interbase, and before that it was Galaxy from Groton Database Systems, and the-K > internal design of Galaxy was - as I understand it - Jim Starkey's designl forhL > Rdb/Eln, rejected - he felt - for political rather than technical reasons. >eJ > It was certainly multiplatform from the get-go, but I don't recollect if > VMS was involved.f >n > --Alan >b  > I have used Interbase on OpenVMS.  In fact I have a older demo= copy still loaded on a Vaxstation.  Interbase was at one timen: DSRI compliant.  DSRI is a low level interface to Rdb.  In: addition the names of the system tables all begin with the9 letters RDB$.  If I remember correctly, with a really oldd; version of Interbase and Rdb, you could define a logical ori? two and use Rdb tools to access an Interbase database, and vicee versab   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Jul 2000 22:15:24 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)h7 Subject: Re: Keyboard/Video/Mouse switch for Alpha & PCk0 Message-ID: <8lnnts$l4v$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  N In article <$HlZAmWyAxf6@flying>, abuse@flying-disk.com (Alan Frisbie) writes:< >I am looking for a KVM (Keyboard, Video, Mouse) switch that* >will work well with a variety of systems: >  >    2 - AlphaStation 200 (VMS)   >    1 - AlphaServer 1000A (VMS). >    3 - Generic PCs (Linux and Windows 95/98) >o7 >What brands are know to work well with both Alphas andG >PCs?t >e >Any that I should avoid?o  G I use ServeViews from Dakota (http://www.dakota-euro.com/). I think theGI manufacturer is Rose Electronics in the USA. And with my ServieView+ I ameM even able to use a Digital LK-keyboard (VMS-layout) as the physical keyboard.d  O I once tried a similar product from blackbox but this wasn't as good as the onea from Dakota.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmanny  H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +------------ http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/english/menue.html -----------+   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Jul 2000 22:19:54 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) 7 Subject: Re: Keyboard/Video/Mouse switch for Alpha & PC 0 Message-ID: <8lno6a$l4v$2@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  s In article <8l40r9$53r$1@s2.feed.news.oleane.net>, "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> writes: A >You mean you've got an NT driver to use an LK keyboard with NT ?c+ >Maybe available in foreign languages too ?  >Have you got a pointer to it ?e  O My ServieView+ connects: two Alphas under VMS, two Macs, a Multia under NT 4.0,bN a PC under Windows 3.11. And we have more of these running with Windows 95 andA others. And I use a LK-keyboard (German layout) for all of these.i   Regards,    Christoph Gartmanno  H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +------------ http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/english/menue.html -----------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:04:18 GMTi! From: "Ian Shiel" <ishiel@iol.ie>U+ Subject: Re: Killing a process in VMS 7.1-2 , Message-ID: <CfJf5.1059$04.3407@news.iol.ie>  6 Er - what exactly do you mean by "eliminate the drive"  L By any chance are there OPCOM messages requesting that the drive be mounted?  1 Is it an external (desktop) or an internal drive?=   Ian= ishiel at iol dot ie  G "Uhlhorn, Anneliese" <Anneliese.Uhlhorn@SLV.bayern.de> wrote in messagey7 news:4913AE76C4E1D2118F9900105A0EF7004E1A16@komserv3... 	 > Hi all,  >vJ > We have a problem killing a process in Alpha VMS 7.1-2. The process hass > mounted a TZ87 an we have noF > chance to kill it. Process is in state LEF. If we try to stop it, no messageA* > is returned but the proc is still alive.J > Then we tried to eliminate the drive and waited for 30 Minutes. But this' > doesn't help. Is there another way toy0 > kill the process without rebooting the system? >u > Thank you in advance > with regards > Anneliese Uhlhorny >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:33:51 -040012 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)! Subject: Re: Memory & CPU Support L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2707000033510001@user-2ive63s.dialup.mindspring.com>  R In article <397EDF9E.2AF38CB8@compaq.com>, Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@compaq.com> wrote:  iJ > AlphaServer GS320 model 32 can have up to 256 Gbytes, and up to 32 CPUs.  I Isn't there currently a restriction that you have to have at least 2 hardeE partitions, i.e. no more than 16 CPUs in a partition?  I read this inaF one of the GS320 blurbs.  I think the restriction is due to be removed "real soon now".   -- M Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com!   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Jul 2000 19:57:15 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.293778.killspam.0223 (Wayne Sewell)@) Subject: Re: Microvax 3100-10 and 20  $99 . Message-ID: <fq5e9yXwi8lC@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  V In article <sntok0ta3j111@corp.supernews.com>, "Islandco" <sales@islandco.com> writes: > Yepm >  > We're doing it again >   L Yes, if you mean posting advertisements to a technical newsgroup, again and 5 again and again and again and again and again and ...w   -- iO ===============================================================================dM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxt: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O ===============================================================================oO Otter, on dining with Bluto:"It's perfectly safe if you keep your arms and legs  			away from his mouth."   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:35:39 GMTr3 From: "Jay E. Morris" <morris@thorin.brooks.af.mil>n Subject: Re: mime versions, Message-ID: <8lnhv9$hkg$1@leo.brooks.af.mil>  8 On 12-Jul-2000, Paul <pmosteika@evms.zko.dec.com> wrote:  G > The version shown with the MIME command SHOW VERSION should match thes	 > version: >w > $ sho symb MIMER327 >   MIMER32 == "$ SYS$SYSTEM:MIME.EXE_V132_06-MAR-2000"   4 I suppose that if we could get this version it might   --
 Jay E. Morris- System Software Specialist, General Dynamics Communications Systems for/# Epidemiology Labratory (AFIERA/SDE)j Brooks AFB, TX 78109 jay.morris@brooks.af.mil   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:21:07 -0400w2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger): Subject: Re: Mlucas performance probelm - need expert helpL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2707000021070001@user-2ive63s.dialup.mindspring.com>  R In article <397EC479.A2D4C31A@compaq.com>, Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@compaq.com> wrote:   > Robert Deininger wrote:a >  > > [...snip snip...]. > >aP > > Is there any guidance available about how much to increase ZERO_LIST_HI whenK > > I increase PFN_COLOR_COUNT?  Right now, my PFN_COLOR_COUNT is 1, and myaQ > > ZERO_LIST_HI is 640.  Should I add 640 to zero_list_hi for each unit increase  > > pfn_color_count? > >sJ > > > There's no magic formula for the best settings for these parameters;G > > > you'll have to test combinations until you find the best for your ? > > > particular application.  Unfortunately PFN_COLOR_COUNT is65 > > > not dynamic, so each change requires rebooting.m > >sG > > This will be difficult, since I haven't come up with a reliable wayeK > > to measure the magnitude of the problem.  But it's better than nothing.  > E > Robert, I think the best thing for you to do is to get hold of  thee: > "OpenVMS AXP Internals and Data Structures, Version 1.5"C > manual; on page 416, there is a short description of ZERO_LIST_HInI > in its discussion on the idle loop, which I think describes rather well  > what happens.     H Well, that was easy.  This hefty tome has been tucking me in most nightsJ lately.  I had a bookmark just a few pages from 416.  Too bad I don't haveQ the source listings.  The old vax listings aren't going to be much help here. :-)   H Wow, the book says the default for zero_list_hi is 16 pages, and autogenL has raised mine to 640.  Memory really has gotten bigger since the old days.  E But I wonder if this parameter matters at all for me.  The way Mlucas9B is running, it's virtually always computable, so the idle loop mayF never be executed.  There is a bit of disk I/O for the checkpoint file every 10 minutes or so.  That may be enough to zero a few pages.  I'll try to snoop the system and see how many zeroed pages are usually available.]  G So if I set pfn_color_count to N instead of 1, does that mean that onlyyJ 1 Nth of the zeroed pages are available to satisfy a request (on average)?  J My naive guess it that the main impact of too few zeroed pages is unwantedG latency in image activations.  Mistuning this parameter isn't going to  * crash the system or anything nasty, is it?   "OpenVMS Alpha systems might derive a preferred page color from a request to map a given virtual page and attempt to map that virtual page to a PFN of matching color."J  K Is there any place (other than top-secret internal documents) where I mightgP find details about this "might derive", and what constitutes a "matching color"?  5 > I'd cut and paste some internal stuff here, but I'mrD > not sure of the confidentiality of the document, and I'm erring onE > the side of caution (I'm a contractor, and I'd rather not be "askedl > to leave" ;-).  
 Good idea.   Thanks for the pointers.   -- c Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.como   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:30:37 -0400w+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com>-1 Subject: RE: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com J Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D8052845B4@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   Glen,e  I If interested, you can sign up for free monthly copy of Inform (and otherh OpenVMS info) at:i- http://www.compaq.com/inFORM/issues/q-31.html    Regardsi  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant,
 Compaq Canada  Professional Servicest Voice : 613-592-4660 FAX   : 819-772-7036 Email : kerry.main@compaq.como       -----Original Message-----8 From: Glen Martin [mailto:GLENMARK@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu]$ Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 6:19 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 1 Subject: Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com2     Main, Kerry wrote:  1J > By the way, if you received the latest version of Inform Magazine, check outrE > the back cover. Cognos has a full page ad that is emphasizing (does, mention . > Tru64 and NT as well) offerings for OpenVMS. > 0 > The ad refers Customers to the following page:! > <http://www.cognos.com/seeoffer   D Inform is still being published? I haven't received a copy in over a year...    Glen   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:18:02 GMTa From: bob.edis@creatcomp.com Subject: OpenVMS Galaxy,) Message-ID: <8lna0n$v1p$1@nnrp1.deja.com>t  	 G'day allo  F Can someone give me a quick overview of what OpenVMS Galaxy is please?G I don't the company speak but rather some input from people who use it.e   Thanks in advance,   Blue    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.v   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 01:23:36 -0400c2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: OpenVMS GalaxywL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2707000123360001@user-2ive63s.dialup.mindspring.com>  G In article <8lna0n$v1p$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, bob.edis@creatcomp.com wrote:    > G'day alle > H > Can someone give me a quick overview of what OpenVMS Galaxy is please?I > I don't the company speak but rather some input from people who use it.e  H I don't use it, even on TV.  But you might find the OpenVMS Galaxy Guide worth looking at:o  < http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/6512/6512pro.html  > This is written for System Managers.  It's not marketing hype.   -- m Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com8   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 10:17:37 +0900e7 From: "Kazuyuki Fukaya" <kazuyuki.fukaya@jp.compaq.com> + Subject: Re: OpenVMS Registry Configurationv/ Message-ID: <8lo3bl$cco$1@news.tko.cpqcorp.net>   , >$ locale show   ! verify that LANG is not C >$ define lang c >$ mcr reg$cp ....   I did and it worked !!!s Thanks,n    $ locale show LANG=JA_JP_SDECKANJI LC_CTYPE="JA_JP_SDECKANJI" LC_COLLATE="JA_JP_SDECKANJI" LC_TIME="JA_JP_SDECKANJI"L LC_NUMERIC="JA_JP_SDECKANJI" LC_MONETARY="JA_JP_SDECKANJI"u LC_MESSAGES="JA_JP_SDECKANJI"e LC_ALL=   $ define lang c   $ mcr reg$cp3 REG> list key hkey_local_machine\software\Microsoftn: Key name:            HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\MICROSOFT' Security policy:     REG$K_POLICY_NT_40  Volatile:            REG$K_NONEa, Last written:        26-JUL-2000 17:34:01.74
 Subkey(s):%     Key name:            LanmanServer +     Security policy:     REG$K_POLICY_NT_40/#     Volatile:            REG$K_NONE 0     Last written:        26-JUL-2000 17:34:01.71  *     Key name:            LanmanWorkstation+     Security policy:     REG$K_POLICY_NT_40e#     Volatile:            REG$K_NONE.0     Last written:        26-JUL-2000 17:34:01.73  #     Key name:            Windows NTs+     Security policy:     REG$K_POLICY_NT_40V#     Volatile:            REG$K_NONEe0     Last written:        26-JUL-2000 17:34:01.76   Regards, Kazuyuki Fukaya    ------------------------------   Date: 27 Jul 2000 05:04:04 GMT! From: gigglegs@aol.com (Gigglegs)J8 Subject: problem starting decmotif and monitor problems.: Message-ID: <20000727010404.04005.00000043@ng-fn1.aol.com>   Hi All,tK I am currently using an alphastation 200 4/233 64MB 4G(running openvms 7.2)nH with a compaq 151FS model IBM compatible monitor. From time to time I am getting this error on monitor:  , ERROR: scancode Oxfa not supported on pcxal   L and the color of the screen changes and system stops responding and I end upN booting the system..  Am I using the right kind of monitor or what kind should I be using?=  H I also installed the Decmotif according to the user manual and I ran theL SYS$TEST:DECW$IVP.COM several times and only one of the times it was able toM find the default display name where all 4 tests completed successfully.  I amsK using my computer as a standalone (nonworkstation).  I issue the following s command and I get this:    $ @SYS$MANAGER:DECW$STARTUPy>  %RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 00000091 $p  % What is going on? Can anyone help me?    Thanks in advance. gigglegs@aol.com   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Jul 2000 21:11:42 PDT* From: abuse@flying-disk.com (Alan Frisbie)- Subject: Shades of "Nothing sucks like a VAX"i! Message-ID: <PQ1UOlcXHT5B@flying>	  ? I am sure you remember the fine British product, the VAX vacuum:< cleaner, and the phrase "Nothing sucks like a VAX".   Now we have (drum roll, please):6  !          http://www.VMSblower.comD  H I would make further comment, but my wife says to "keep it clean".   :-)   Cheers,t Alan   -- SB --  Alan E. Frisbie             Frisbie "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com@ --  Flying Disk Systems, Inc.   Abuse "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 23:01:30 -0400e. From: "Steven Shamlian" <not.an@earthling.net> Subject: Re: Shareable images 2 Message-ID: <8lo8pv$k56$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net>  I Hmm, don't know if anyone's still reading this thread, but I rebooted andlK did some screen captures that might help.. I suppose what I'm really tryingtD to figure out is why my DECserver 90L+ won't connect to my VAX.  TheL DECserver does not 'see' services.  I tried issuing latcp commands followingJ examples from lat$startup and the OpenVMS System Manager's manual but theyI didn't change anything according to the DECserver.  Here are the captures L (note that some of the problems shown in the captures may have nothing to doH with the problem, but to be thourough and also just in case my judgement+ would be bad I got all the errors shown)...t   >>>bootm     - dkb3009 %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping SYSDUMP.DMP on the System DiskaA %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT SYSDUMP.DMP on System Disk successfully mappedf: %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping PAGEFILE.SYS on the System DiskI %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT SAVEDUMP parameter not set to protect the PAGEFILE.SYS K     OpenVMS (TM) VAX Version V7.2     Major Version id = 1 Minor Version idS = 0m? %DECnet-I-LOADED, network base image loaded, version = 05.0D.00n  C %DECnet-W-NOOPEN, could not open SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]NET$CONFIG.DATb  $ ***Later during the boot sequence***  G Copyright (c) Digital Equipment Corporation 1996.  All Rights Reserved.lK Parameter VIRTUALPAGECNT's value is low (32800) it should be at least 35000-D %NET$STARTUP-F-NOREQSYSGEN, SYSGEN parameters not at required valuesK         Please see Installation and Configuration Guide for Required ValuesaE %NET$STARTUP-I_OPERSTATUS, DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS operator status is< OFF-AUTxI %DECdtm-F-NODECnet, the TP_SERVER process was not started because either:   7 o   DECnet-Plus is not started or is not configured, or   6 o   The SYS$NODE_FULLNAME logical name is not defined.  J     This could be because when you installed DECnet-Plus and were promptedI     for the system's full name, you specified a logical name instead of aP     DECdns or Domain name.  E If you want to use the DECdtm services, make sure that DECnet-Plus is  started andaH Configured and that SYS$NODE_FULLNAME is defined, then use the following' Command to start the TP_SERVER process:M  %     $ @SYS$STARTUP:DECDTM$STARTUP.COM  ***Boot sequence complete***   Thanks,x =+=Steve=+=n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 01:00:22 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Shareable imagesnL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2707000100230001@user-2ive63s.dialup.mindspring.com>  b In article <8lo8pv$k56$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net>, "Steven Shamlian" <not.an@earthling.net> wrote:  K > Hmm, don't know if anyone's still reading this thread, but I rebooted and M > did some screen captures that might help.. I suppose what I'm really tryingeF > to figure out is why my DECserver 90L+ won't connect to my VAX.  TheN > DECserver does not 'see' services.  I tried issuing latcp commands followingL > examples from lat$startup and the OpenVMS System Manager's manual but they5 > didn't change anything according to the DECserver. n  I You may need to show us some LATCP configuration stuff, but not just yet.t7 (Assuming the 90L+ even cares about LAT, I've no clue.)o   > Here are the captureslN > (note that some of the problems shown in the captures may have nothing to doJ > with the problem, but to be thourough and also just in case my judgement- > would be bad I got all the errors shown)...r  G Pasting the actual messages is a Good Thing.  Pat yourself on the back.    > 	 > >>>booti >  > 
 > - dkb300; > %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk-C > %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT SYSDUMP.DMP on System Disk successfully mapped < > %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping PAGEFILE.SYS on the System DiskK > %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT SAVEDUMP parameter not set to protect the PAGEFILE.SYS M >     OpenVMS (TM) VAX Version V7.2     Major Version id = 1 Minor Version id  > = 0 A > %DECnet-I-LOADED, network base image loaded, version = 05.0D.00.   Fine so far.  E > %DECnet-W-NOOPEN, could not open SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]NET$CONFIG.DAT   2 DECnet (plus, I think) is not properly configured.  & > ***Later during the boot sequence*** > I > Copyright (c) Digital Equipment Corporation 1996.  All Rights Reserved.mM > Parameter VIRTUALPAGECNT's value is low (32800) it should be at least 35000nF > %NET$STARTUP-F-NOREQSYSGEN, SYSGEN parameters not at required valuesM >         Please see Installation and Configuration Guide for Required ValueshG > %NET$STARTUP-I_OPERSTATUS, DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS operator status is0	 > OFF-AUTs  D Ok, this is the first thing to fix.  DECnet plus can't start becauseE some parameter values are not big enough.  During installation, theretD was probably an AUTOGEN operation that failed or was skipped.  It isH complaining about the parameter VIRTUALPAGECNT here, but if you fix thisH there could be others.  Don't try to fix this by hand.  (Virtualpagecnt,I roughly speaking, limits the amount of memory a process can use, and thisn' isn't enough for some chunk of DECnet.)i  F I don't recall whether autogen is run by the DECnet installer, or whenE you run the configuration procedure.  You NEED an autogen, and DECnet G should add some starting values to your SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT before0K it runs autogen.  As the message suggested, you should read the appropriateqL sections in the DECnet-plus Installation and Configuration Guide.  DependingO on what in-between state you are in now, you might need to just run autogen, oriJ run the decnet configuration utility, or maybe even reinstall decnet-plus.  J Autogen is documented in the System Management Utilities Reference Manual, chapter 6.  SeedE http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/6258/6048pro_contents.htmlr  E In general, you should read and follow the advice in any Installation9J and Configuration document that comes with a VMS software product.  UnlikeE many other platforms, these documents are GOOD, and it is pretty rareaH that they fail to tell you something you need to know.  A beginner risksP big headaches if he skips these -- and an old hand isn't altogether safe either.G Read the whole thing before you start, and then read it again as you go D through the procedure.  Do everything in the order suggested.  Don'tH skip anything.  Wipe your feet before you come in the house.  Etc., etc.    K > %DECdtm-F-NODECnet, the TP_SERVER process was not started because either:   F Unless you need DECdtm, you can turn it off by setting a logical name.& See the comments in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM.   -- a Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com=   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:14:18 +0010l% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.auu Subject: To Martin Vorlaenderh5 Message-ID: <01JS98V52AEA0028XN@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>e   Apologies to the group.r  % Martin, Trying to reply to you I get:o   Failed delivery to:R! Address: <address from your mail>v8 Actual address: <an internal address on mailgate at pdv>3 Status: action not taken: mailbox name not allowed.i   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development, 
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australia_   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people, ; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 05:01:04 +0200u  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>: Subject: Re: Was "WAY OFF TOPIC:" Now a 1000 USD challenge+ Message-ID: <VA.00000082.138cff4d@sture.ch>s  ; In article <Sovf5.275$XL5.5012@insync>, Jerry Leslie wrote:r6 > From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie)< > Subject: Re: Was "WAY OFF TOPIC:" Now a 1000 USD challenge > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsi% > Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 06:18:26 GMT  >  [my bit snipped]  tN > Zyxel/Netgear ISDN routers have not drawn rave reviews in the comp.dcom.isdnL > newsgroup, which is a better place to ask for help with ISDN. If DejaNews @ > has them available, look for comp.dcom.isdn posts authored by: >  >   "wdg@[204.52.135.1]" > ? > aka Bill "Bubba" Garfield, an FCC licensed telecomm engineer.o > F > I'm not familiar with Euro ISDN, but a 3COM OfficeConnect LAN Modem,H > really an ISDN router/ethernet hub, is very simple to set up, even if K > you use fixed IP addresses as I have, to accomodate the home VAXStation. iK > My two Windows for Workgroups PCs, the Windows 95 PC, and the VAXStation t8 > all use the 3COM ISDN router as their default gateway. >  > More info: > 4 >   http://www.3com.com/products/dsheets/400396.html  >   OfficeConnect ISDN LAN Modem > E > The cost is ~$300US, from places like www.cdw.com, which would saveo
 > you $700US.o > L Solved by the rather less expensive option of installing NT (already owned)  instead of Win98.     E > As you probably know by now, USB is NOT supported by NT 4.0. That'sgF > one reason our digital camera is a Sony Mavica, which uses floppies,' > easily used with Wintel Cartel boxes.  > P Yep, I read the outside of my Olympus box _very carefully_ before committing to I it. When it gave the option of NT support as well, I knew I had a second  	 solution.r  P But the die is cast. My best advice is NEVER buy any consumer item which relies K solely on Windows 95/98. When it comes to Xmas or birthdays, forewarn yout t relatives/friends too. k  O One pleasant surprise in all this was when extracting the network card drivers tM from CD I found that there's support there for all manner of non M$ systems,   even including Linux.o  J Many thanks to those who responded (including a few private, constructive  replies as well).s ___r
 Paul Sture Switzerlandy   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 05:01:03 +0200a$ From: Paul Sture <sture.ch@sture.ch>: Subject: Re: Was "WAY OFF TOPIC:" Now a 1000 USD challenge+ Message-ID: <VA.00000081.138cfa05@sture.ch>g  C In article <397E7A12.C582F171@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble wrote:p' > Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 01:41:38 -0400t, > From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms < > Subject: Re: Was "WAY OFF TOPIC:" Now a 1000 USD challenge >  > Paul Sture wrote:n > > - > > I just feel like laying down a challenge:o7 > > Can anyone sort me out with the following solution?d > >  > > 2 Intel PCS. > >  > > I want:nH > >    seamless connection via my router to the internet (Win98 & Linux) > R > Don't know the router, but since you indicated it included ISDN, I'd assume thatM > it has the capability of connecting to an ISP.  The ISP will have their own  > directions on how to connect.,  P Yes, the ISP connection works fine. How to get Win98 doing it remains a mystery. > Q > As for the PCs, you will need a physical connection, such as 10baseT capability O > on both peecees and the router, and a hub to connect all together, unless then > router has this capability.a > P > The router, acting as a gateway, if it can do NAT, will require an internal IPO > address, as will each peecee (unless you also use DHCP).  Don't you just love R > all the abreviations?  Then there is the question of whether it requires a fixedP > IP address, or can use the unique IP address assigned each time you connect to
 > the ISP. >  Done that thanks.S  Q > >    dual win whatever and linux boot on one system, probably win on the other,cV > >        leaving me with a working internet connection on the one which still works? >  > Not an issue.   B But I want to ask BG _personally_ why it was such an issue for me.   > ' > >    my cd burner to work, in Englishl > L > Actually, I thought the language of CDs was little bumps on the media. :-)  ] You wouldn't believe the swaet I had to go through to get the accompanying s/w to install in e` English, even having selected it during installation. That turned out to be an obscure registry  setting. > Z > >    my digital camera to work (English please) (yes, I bought this last week, with USB,V > >        but need WIN98 SE for it to work out of the box (German version, remember))T > >        Yes I can buy other interfaces, but I am angry that I need w98 SE to makeQ > >        the bugger work as is. Alternative is another bit of cable/kit for NT.c > P > Need to beat the purchasing manager about the head and shoulders with a bat or2 > hockey stick.  Is Cricket played in Switzerland? > ^ Don't think there's a great deal of cricket here :) Snowboarding, ice hockey, even rugby. And  skiing of course.   M George Bernard Shaw's view about cricket:  "The English", he said, "are not a'N spiritual people so they invented cricket to give them some idea of eternity".  Q > > 1000 USD to the person who can make it work, using non-pirated s/w. I'll give V > > 2 free nights board and lodging, and free food. Maximum 2 x 12 hours work allowed. > ; > And just what's wrong with software written by my parrot?  > : > Sorry, I don't get going until after 13 hours of warmup. > _ > > If at the end of the weekend it works, I'll be taking you to the local ATM and transferringjS > > the 1000 USD direct to your bank account (I let you type in your bank details).n > M > Don't believe in banks.  A tin can burried in the back yard works best. :-)c > _ > > OTOH, if you can't manage it in that time, I want 1000 USD from you, for wasting my time..._ >  > Not from my tin can! >D > > Bet no-one can do it...K >   > Well, maybe will, but not can. >M` That was rather my point. :-) I didn't expect anyone here to take the challenge seriously, as I V really believed it was impossible for anyone to successfully earn the 1000 USD in the [ timescales I offered. Maybe I should have pointed it at an M$ audience, but in that case I  & really did want 1000 USD compensation.   > Silly season, huh? >s\ Know what? Yesterday evening I installed NT on the second machine, and including a bit of a ] fight to get the installation to install the 3rd party network card drivers (had to copy 'em aW from CD to floppy on the other system first), the whole shebang took less than an hour.i  _ Pinged the router & telnetted to it, as soon as I got base NT up. No probs! Test connection to   ISP - worked first time!  ` The irrefutable problem is that win98 is so brain damaged, it's coming off my other system ASAP 3 as well. There's a bit of CD burning to do first...  ___-
 Paul Sture Switzerland-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:49:04 -0700u! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comdJ Subject: Re: What graphics cards are supported by OpenVMS on a AlphaServerC Message-ID: <OFFB9D5C26.FF85DADA-ON88256928.0066DCE4@HEALTHNET.COM>G  J No contradiction Alan, just a little timeline confusion. The sequence went0 Permidia II, TNT, TNT2, GeForce, GeForce II GTS.  I I'm not familiar with the earlier Elsa boards, but I do know the PermidiaeJ series of chips were made by 3Dlabs, and all the other members of the listG were NVidia. If you can find a 3Dlabs chip, I'd say it's pretty certain H you've got a Permidia or Permidia II based card. Probably the latter. If7 you find one labelled with the NVidia logo, you're SOL.e  H I actually quite liked the Permidia II chipset, which I used to use on aF Diamond FirePro 1000 GL. It was a bit slower than a Voodoo II, but the image was far nicer.   Shanem          > abuse@flying-disk.com (Alan Frisbie) on 07/25/2000 07:53:10 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi cc:0  K Subject:  Re: What graphics cards are supported by OpenVMS on a AlphaServere    C In article <OF1BA869C6.0A660487-ON88256926.007732AE@HEALTHNET.COM>,2# Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:a  E > Yes, Elsa used to use Nvidia TNT and TNT2, then they moved onto theP NvidiaI > GeForce, followed by the GeForce II GTS. All four of these chipsets arecK > currently served by the same driver distribution, although the later onesm* > use some extensions the older two don't.  G and "Paul A. Jacobi" <Paul.Jacobi@COMPAQ.COM> on 07/24/2000 02:12:23 PMe wrote:  D > The ELSA Gloria Synergy card is based upon the Permedia2 graphics.' > This is what is supported by OpenVMS.  >tH > For the Synergy II, I believe ELSA switched over to Nvida TNT chipset,+ > which there is no OpenVMS driver support.e  8 These two statements appear to contradict each other, so I'm more confused than ever!  ; I just looked at the board to try and identify the chipset,f: but it is covered by a heat sink.   The label on the board: says "Gloria Synergy-8", but the manual says "Synergy II", for what that's worth.  8 If only the original Gloria Synergy is supported by VMS,9 where can I get some?   What chipset or identifying marks  should I be looking for?   Alan   --B --  Alan E. Frisbie             Frisbie "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com@ --  Flying Disk Systems, Inc.   Abuse "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Jul 2000 20:50:37 PDT* From: abuse@flying-disk.com (Alan Frisbie)2 Subject: Where is documentation ordering web page?! Message-ID: <yOquCz6y8rOv@flying>>  A I would like to order the hardcopy documentation for TCP/IP v5.0Ay? for VMS.   I went to the the Compaq web site, but was unable tof? find any ordering information.   I tried the "Ask Compaq" link,eH but get the message "Unable to request URL from host askq.compaq.com:80: Host unreachable".  8 Can anyone tell me where on Compaq's web site I can find8 a listing of available hardcopy documentation and how to purchase it?  9 By the way, that "Blue on Blue" color scheme for the homeE7 page is almost totally unreadable.   Who designed that?    Thanks,  Alan   -- qB --  Alan E. Frisbie             Frisbie "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com@ --  Flying Disk Systems, Inc.   Abuse "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 04:52:46 GMTl2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>6 Subject: Re: Where is documentation ordering web page?3 Message-ID: <yePf5.33$mO3.3917@typhoon.aracnet.com>O  + Alan Frisbie <abuse@flying-disk.com> wrote:e: > Can anyone tell me where on Compaq's web site I can find: > a listing of available hardcopy documentation and how to > purchase it?  J http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/ sounds like it's got the info you want.  ; > By the way, that "Blue on Blue" color scheme for the homee9 > page is almost totally unreadable.   Who designed that?t  L Does anyone other than a clueless twit design most corporate web sites?  I'mL firmly convinced the designers, and the approvers don't ever think about howL their site will react when viewed from outside their intranet, let alone via' something other than Internet Exploder!n   			Zane-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:19:44 +0800i- From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>c6 Subject: Re: Where is documentation ordering web page?+ Message-ID: <397FC670.F104866F@bigpond.com>>   "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > - > Alan Frisbie <abuse@flying-disk.com> wrote:.< > > Can anyone tell me where on Compaq's web site I can find< > > a listing of available hardcopy documentation and how to > > purchase it? > L > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/ sounds like it's got the info you want. > = > > By the way, that "Blue on Blue" color scheme for the homee; > > page is almost totally unreadable.   Who designed that?  > N > Does anyone other than a clueless twit design most corporate web sites?  I'mN > firmly convinced the designers, and the approvers don't ever think about howN > their site will react when viewed from outside their intranet, let alone via) > something other than Internet Exploder!t >  >                         Zane  B The thing I like doing sometimes is to pass some of these websites7 through an HTML validator... (http://validator.w3.org/)dC Not only are the pages usually crap to look at, but they don't evenGE use "valid" HTML.  I assume that most of them are generated from somek, pointy-clicky-draggy-droppy-wysiwyg program.3 Try giving "www.compaq.com" to the above validator.P   -- t Regards, Dave.lI ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.com I DBS software at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmiI "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon0   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Jul 2000 22:24:12 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) $ Subject: Re: WordPerfect for OpenVMS0 Message-ID: <8lnoec$l4v$3@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  _ In article <200007200655.IAA07511@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>, Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> writes:o >Hello,  >sF >we are interisted for the WordPerfect for OpenVMS software pakage. IsE >it the newest version of WordPerfect? Is it full compatible with therG >Wintel version? Can we get (buy) it here in Germany? Is there any demos >for OpenVMS out?o  J I have a test-installation right on my desk. I tried V 7.1 but this one isL full of bugs (at least the German edition). So they sent me 5.1 which I will) try as soon as I am back from my holiday.t   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +------------ http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/english/menue.html -----------+   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.416 ************************