1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 29 Jul 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 420       Contents:% Re: 8400 aka GS140, is it or isn't it $ Alphaserver DS10 and Openvms problem$ Announcement: PDF Viewer for OpenVMS$ Re: CETS2000 - Very Important Notice$ Re: CETS2000 - Very Important Notice, Compaq C 6.2-007 accvio during debug compile$ Re: DCPS woes / Tektronix Phaser 850 DSSI node name change  Re: DSSI node name change 	 FastTrack  Re: Fortune cookies? Re: Fortune cookies? FS:  Pathworks for Mac Docs 0 Re: Graphics board in a VAXStation 3100 Model 76% Re: help with MACRO compiler warnings % Re: help with MACRO compiler warnings 0 Re: How to make HP printer talk to VMS/Multinet?0 Re: How to make HP printer talk to VMS/Multinet?. Re: I/Os per second, how do you increase them?/ Re: is there a database available for VMS hobby  Re: Memory & CPU Support  Re: Microvax 3100-10 and 20  $99  Re: Microvax 3100-10 and 20  $99  Re: Microvax 3100-10 and 20  $99  Re: Microvax 3100-10 and 20  $99 Re: MS IntelliMouse on Alpha?  Re: MS IntelliMouse on Alpha?  Re: MS IntelliMouse on Alpha? ( Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.com OpenVMS on an Alphaserver 2100" RE: OpenVMS on an Alphaserver 2100 Re: performance ratings  Re: performance ratings  Re: performance ratings  Re: performance ratings  Re: performance ratings  Re: Q: Looking for an old game. ( Re: Shades of "Nothing sucks like a VAX"( Re: Shades of "Nothing sucks like a VAX" Re: Standalone backups no more? E Starting a DEC-Gear-for-Sale newsgroup (was: Microvax 3100-10 and 20) I Re: Starting a DEC-Gear-for-Sale newsgroup (was: Microvax 3100-10 and 20) ! RE: Stirrings in the undergrowth?  Subtracting Dates Time in DCL ! Re: Subtracting Dates Time in DCL  UCX 5 Telnet problem Re: UCX 5 Telnet problem UCX 5 Telnet problem$ Re: URGENT: VMS keyboard on SUN etc!$ Re: URGENT: VMS keyboard on SUN etc!$ Re: URGENT: VMS keyboard on SUN etc!$ Re: URGENT: VMS keyboard on SUN etc!$ Re: URGENT: VMS keyboard on SUN etc!: Re: VMS process manipulate data on SQLServer/NT box : How?< Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S Re: WTB: RSX Book   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 28 Jul 2000 15:47 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) . Subject: Re: 8400 aka GS140, is it or isn't it- Message-ID: <28JUL200015473533@gerg.tamu.edu>   3 "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> writes... M }And thanks for pointing me to the GS80.  It sounds exactly like what I need.  }It K }seems to have the performance advantage of the ES40, and more PCI slots to = }allow me the types of expansion  I need, and it is scalable.  } K }What I don't understand, (but am not complaining about) is why the ES40 is  }only M }rated as a workgroup class machine and the GS80 is a departmental machine. I J }guess it has more to do with the number of "things" you can connect to it }rather # }than the amount of work it can do.   B The categories are based primarilly on the number of CPUs, but the@ expandability in other areas is also presumably a consideration.  J ES40 max CPUs = 4, memory = 32GB, PCI slots = 10, I/O bandwidth = 532 MB/sJ GS80 max CPUs = 8, memory = 64GB, PCI slots = 56, I/O bandwidth = 3.2 GB/s   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:06:26 -0700 4 From: kilvon wu <kilvon_wuNOkiSPAM@yeah.net.invalid>- Subject: Alphaserver DS10 and Openvms problem 9 Message-ID: <06bf275e.130c8b24@usw-ex0108-062.remarq.com>   8    hi,i encountered a problem during install the OPENVMS9 7.1- 2 on the alphaserver ds10. The DS10 has three diskes 8 named: dka100/dka200/dka300, and one cd-rom named: dqa0," and one floppy driver named: dva0.6    for the pre-installed OS is the UNIX, so i boot the system from the cdrom:   >>> boot -fl 0,1 dqa0    then prompt appears:   sysboot> set startup_p1 "MIN"  sysboot> set wlksysdsk 1
 sysboot> c  9   after the system booted, i login as the system account.    $init dka100: aa11 $mount/foreigh dka100: $backup/image dqa0: dka100:  .  .  . 	 $shutdown  .  .  .  $boot -fl 0,0 dka100 .  .  . 1    after some time, the system halted without any 9 response,so i cannot login the system, the only way is to  switch off the power!!9    then i repeated the previous action for twice time.the 8 same problem in the way!! even a strange things happened during the last time: 9    after the openvms boot from the cd-rom, i login as the 9 system account,i cannot find my disk dka100/dka200/dka300  anymore after type in:   $show dev d   1   Only the cd-rom dqa0 and the floppy driver dva0  appeared ...   ???   8 what kind of problem i have encountered? Pay more thanks for your kindly help!!  	 Kilvon wu          * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:05:42 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> - Subject: Announcement: PDF Viewer for OpenVMS O Message-ID: <CBF4A564C410B0B7.FF50F00973BE88B0.543314196579B951@lp.airnews.net>   H Applied Synergy, Inc. is pleased to announce the ASI PDF Viewer V1.0 for OpenVMS!  E This is a native VMS application supporting the latest PDF specs.  It H requires OpenVMS Alpha V6.1 or later and DECwindows Motif V1.1 or later.   Java is NOT required.   H Although the code is ready, the official product release will be delayed1 a bit until the documentation has been completed.   E For those of you feeling adventurous, you can download the PDF Viewer E and start using it.  This is the final code, but is unsupported until  the official product release.   ! To download the PDF Viewer, go to D http://www.applied-synergy.com/pdf.html and use either of the links.  F If you use the VMS version of UNZIP on PDF010.ZIP, the file attributes should be correct.  C If you download PDF010.A, you will need to fix the file attributes:   , 	$ Set File/Attr=(RFM:FIX,LRL:9216) PDF010.A  E You will need a key file.  After you install the PDF Viewer, copy the G following text (without the ----- lines) to a file named PDF.KEY in the  same directory as PDF.KEY.   ---------------------------- Product: PDF Viewer  License: Evaluation  Expires: 28-JUL-2000#30  Name: comp.os.vms reader Checksum: 1-adgm-dagf-nkel-andg  ----------------------------  A Please read the release notes.  The information provided includes E instructions on integrating the ASI PDF Viewer with Netscape 3.03 for  OpenVMS.  = Please send any comments to:  pdf-preview@applied-synergy.com   G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 20:33:50 GMT 0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com>- Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Very Important Notice & Message-ID: <FyFCut.FBG@world.std.com>  J If not, don't blame me, I asked for same. I suspect the answer ytou'll get5 is that all the NSK talks will be at the ITUG Summit.     L DUHHHH.... unless we DECUS folk find out what NSK is, or what NSK will do toD Tru64* UNIX, or what NSK Superclusters are, how will we ever know???     Disgustedly,   terry s   H PS: Better, er Best Answers to the above questions are in my most recent nooseletter......   3 "Randall Becker" <nospam@home.com> wrote in message 9 news:2Xig5.17893$07.792517@news1.rdc1.on.wave.home.com... H > Did anyone see any NSK topics on that list? Anyone? ServerNet? Sierra? > 	 > Anyone?  > D > "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> wrote in message. > news:8lqhl0$7bv$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net... > > August 1, 2000 > >  > > Dear Fellow DECUS Member:  > > = > > By now you should be aware of Compaq Enterprise Technical = > > Symposium 2000, which DECUS is co-producing along with NT C > > Wizards, Compaq's ASE program, and Compaq's CSA program.  There ? > > is an important new feature for DECUS members, of which you < > > should be aware.  The very valuable Hands-on InteractiveB > > Workshops require advanced reservation prior to the Symposium.E > > This advance reservation will begin in late August.  All of these D > > Workshops have very limited space available and the seats in the2 > > most popular workshops will disappear quickly. > > @ > > What are Hands-on Interactive Workshops?  They are your bestC > > opportunity to "learn by doing," because experience is the best @ > > teacher.  These small, instructor-led workshops give you theE > > opportunity to work with some of Compaq's most advanced platforms B > > and products.  For example, you can use the lab environment toA > > learn about installing fibre channel SANs, configuring remote A > > server management, planning for disaster recovery, setting up B > > security, optimizing server clusters, and so much more.  TheseE > > workshops give you the most practical technical education you can ? > > get.  There are dozens of workshops where you can hone your D > > skills (see "Consideration" list below).  Truckloads of servers,E > > PCs, workstations, storage units, backup systems - you name it! - @ > > are being hauled to Los Angeles for the Hands-on Interactive > > Workshops. > > B > > After you register for the symposium, you will be sent special@ > > instructions for choosing and registering for your preferredD > > Hands-on Interactive Workshops.  I strongly suggest you considerB > > completing your registration process prior to the last week in? > > August in order to have the best opportunity to reserve the C > > Workshops you want.  Other groups involved in Compaq Enterprise B > > Technical Symposium 2000 are experienced with this process andC > > know to register early to be immediately eligible when the this C > > special registration process opens.  Seats go first come, first  > > served.  > > A > > Note: To insure fairness each attendee will be limited to one E > > advanced registration, so choose wisely.  You may attend a second ? > > workshop by registering on-site if space becomes available.  > > @ > > For questions about CETS-2000 visit www.CETS2000.com or send% > > email to Information@CETS2000.com  > >  > >  > >  > > Kristi Browder. > > U.S. DECUS Executive Sponsor for CETS 2000 > > Kristi.Browder@CETS2000.com  > >  > >  > >  > > 7 > >  Hands-on Interactive Workshops Under Consideration  > > @ > > The following is a working list showing some of the Hands-onD > > Interactive Workshops being considered for the Compaq EnterpriseC > > Technical Symposium 2000.  This is not a final list and changes B > > are likely.  There will be deletions and additions.  The finalD > > list will be available in late August. However, these topics areE > > representative of the types of Hands-on Interactive Workshops you   > > can expect at the symposium. > > > > > Installing & Configuring AlphaServers for ProLiant JunkiesF > > Building and Installing a Web Infrastructure with Apache/PHP/MySQL3 > > Getting the Most Out of Alpha Performance Tools $ > > Building a Linux Beowulf ClusterE > > Compaq Enterprise Toolkit - The OpenVMS Edition Hands-On Workshop C > > Configuring an Ultra - High Availability Environment on OpenVMS + > > UNIX - Get More out of Your Application  > > Installing Linux on Alpha 5 > > ProLiant/Linux Web Clusters in a DISA Environment 4 > > Implementing Intelligent Manageability Solutions0 > > Thin Client Configuration and Management Lab' > > TaskSmart C - General Configuration ( > > Tools for Deploying ProLiant ServersB > > Compaq Insight Manager XE 2.0 - Basic Implementation and Usage > > SCO Clustering Workshop & > > Novell NetWare Clustering WorkshopE > > Compaq Insight Manager XE 2.0 - Advanced Implementation and Usage A > > Configuring Compaq Enterprise Management Tools for Management  > > Service Providers $ > > Windows 2000 Clustering Workshop+ > > Tasksmart C Series, Layer 4 and Layer 7 % > > SANworks Storage Resource Manager & > > Compaq SANworks Virtual Replicator* > > RA4X00 and EBS SAN Technology Workshop+ > > Enterprise Backup Solution Architecture 4 > > Multi Vendor RA8000FC Installation on NT and SUN8 > > Multi Vendor RA8000FC Installation on TRU64 and OVMS: > > Multi Vendor RA8000FC Installation on Novell and Linux- > > Compaq Performance Analysis Tool Workshop 4 > > Linux Installation/Configuration on StorageWorks: > > Windows 2000 Administration for the NT 4 Administrator > > LINUX for the VMS User
 > > LINUX GUI 1 > > Building a Web Page with Microsoft Front Page 0 > > Disk Cloning Technology for IT Professionals > > Intro to HTML 5 > > Intro to SDA by Viewing OpenVMS Process Internals 9 > > Tru64/TruCluster Administration Intro for VMS Cluster  > > Administrators% > > VMS Cluster Transitions in Action  > > VMS Lock Manager in Action > > RMS File Repair Techniques > >  > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 20:46:27 GMT ( From: "Randall Becker" <nospam@home.com>- Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Very Important Notice ? Message-ID: <Dimg5.17943$07.796589@news1.rdc1.on.wave.home.com>   J Sorry, Terry, honestly. I'm just wondering what "comp.sys.tandem" means in context.  
 Respectfully,    Randy   ; "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com> wrote in message   news:FyFCut.FBG@world.std.com...L > If not, don't blame me, I asked for same. I suspect the answer ytou'll get7 > is that all the NSK talks will be at the ITUG Summit.  >  > K > DUHHHH.... unless we DECUS folk find out what NSK is, or what NSK will do  toF > Tru64* UNIX, or what NSK Superclusters are, how will we ever know??? >  >  > Disgustedly, > 	 > terry s  > J > PS: Better, er Best Answers to the above questions are in my most recent > nooseletter......  > 5 > "Randall Becker" <nospam@home.com> wrote in message ; > news:2Xig5.17893$07.792517@news1.rdc1.on.wave.home.com... J > > Did anyone see any NSK topics on that list? Anyone? ServerNet? Sierra? > >  > > Anyone?  > > F > > "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> wrote in message0 > > news:8lqhl0$7bv$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net... > > > August 1, 2000 > > >  > > > Dear Fellow DECUS Member:  > > > ? > > > By now you should be aware of Compaq Enterprise Technical ? > > > Symposium 2000, which DECUS is co-producing along with NT E > > > Wizards, Compaq's ASE program, and Compaq's CSA program.  There A > > > is an important new feature for DECUS members, of which you > > > > should be aware.  The very valuable Hands-on InteractiveD > > > Workshops require advanced reservation prior to the Symposium.G > > > This advance reservation will begin in late August.  All of these F > > > Workshops have very limited space available and the seats in the4 > > > most popular workshops will disappear quickly. > > > B > > > What are Hands-on Interactive Workshops?  They are your bestE > > > opportunity to "learn by doing," because experience is the best B > > > teacher.  These small, instructor-led workshops give you theG > > > opportunity to work with some of Compaq's most advanced platforms D > > > and products.  For example, you can use the lab environment toC > > > learn about installing fibre channel SANs, configuring remote C > > > server management, planning for disaster recovery, setting up D > > > security, optimizing server clusters, and so much more.  TheseG > > > workshops give you the most practical technical education you can A > > > get.  There are dozens of workshops where you can hone your F > > > skills (see "Consideration" list below).  Truckloads of servers,G > > > PCs, workstations, storage units, backup systems - you name it! - B > > > are being hauled to Los Angeles for the Hands-on Interactive > > > Workshops. > > > D > > > After you register for the symposium, you will be sent specialB > > > instructions for choosing and registering for your preferredF > > > Hands-on Interactive Workshops.  I strongly suggest you considerD > > > completing your registration process prior to the last week inA > > > August in order to have the best opportunity to reserve the E > > > Workshops you want.  Other groups involved in Compaq Enterprise D > > > Technical Symposium 2000 are experienced with this process andE > > > know to register early to be immediately eligible when the thisVE > > > special registration process opens.  Seats go first come, firsta
 > > > served.  > > >tC > > > Note: To insure fairness each attendee will be limited to onefG > > > advanced registration, so choose wisely.  You may attend a secondoA > > > workshop by registering on-site if space becomes available.S > > > B > > > For questions about CETS-2000 visit www.CETS2000.com or send' > > > email to Information@CETS2000.come > > >n > > >e > > >  > > > Kristi Browder0 > > > U.S. DECUS Executive Sponsor for CETS 2000! > > > Kristi.Browder@CETS2000.comr > > >  > > >p > > >A > > >p9 > > >  Hands-on Interactive Workshops Under Considerationi > > >eB > > > The following is a working list showing some of the Hands-onF > > > Interactive Workshops being considered for the Compaq EnterpriseE > > > Technical Symposium 2000.  This is not a final list and changesiD > > > are likely.  There will be deletions and additions.  The finalF > > > list will be available in late August. However, these topics areG > > > representative of the types of Hands-on Interactive Workshops you " > > > can expect at the symposium. > > > @ > > > Installing & Configuring AlphaServers for ProLiant JunkiesH > > > Building and Installing a Web Infrastructure with Apache/PHP/MySQL5 > > > Getting the Most Out of Alpha Performance Toolsl& > > > Building a Linux Beowulf ClusterG > > > Compaq Enterprise Toolkit - The OpenVMS Edition Hands-On WorkshopuE > > > Configuring an Ultra - High Availability Environment on OpenVMS0- > > > UNIX - Get More out of Your Applicationn > > > Installing Linux on Alphan7 > > > ProLiant/Linux Web Clusters in a DISA Environmenta6 > > > Implementing Intelligent Manageability Solutions2 > > > Thin Client Configuration and Management Lab) > > > TaskSmart C - General Configuration * > > > Tools for Deploying ProLiant ServersD > > > Compaq Insight Manager XE 2.0 - Basic Implementation and Usage > > > SCO Clustering Workshopa( > > > Novell NetWare Clustering WorkshopG > > > Compaq Insight Manager XE 2.0 - Advanced Implementation and UsagedC > > > Configuring Compaq Enterprise Management Tools for Management- > > > Service Providers-& > > > Windows 2000 Clustering Workshop- > > > Tasksmart C Series, Layer 4 and Layer 7i' > > > SANworks Storage Resource Managero( > > > Compaq SANworks Virtual Replicator, > > > RA4X00 and EBS SAN Technology Workshop- > > > Enterprise Backup Solution Architecturen6 > > > Multi Vendor RA8000FC Installation on NT and SUN: > > > Multi Vendor RA8000FC Installation on TRU64 and OVMS< > > > Multi Vendor RA8000FC Installation on Novell and Linux/ > > > Compaq Performance Analysis Tool Workshopn6 > > > Linux Installation/Configuration on StorageWorks< > > > Windows 2000 Administration for the NT 4 Administrator > > > LINUX for the VMS User > > > LINUX GUIo3 > > > Building a Web Page with Microsoft Front Paget2 > > > Disk Cloning Technology for IT Professionals > > > Intro to HTMLe7 > > > Intro to SDA by Viewing OpenVMS Process Internalsb; > > > Tru64/TruCluster Administration Intro for VMS ClusterS > > > Administrators' > > > VMS Cluster Transitions in Action   > > > VMS Lock Manager in Action  > > > RMS File Repair Techniques > > >  > > >s > > >  > >  > >- >- >-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:06:02 -0500w2 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@metamorgs.com>5 Subject: Compaq C 6.2-007 accvio during debug compile54 Message-ID: <p04320400b5a7a603ae49@[192.168.56.136]>  A I'm sorry to broadcast this so far and wide, but I discovered thee= problem on a hobbyist system and don't have access to support,C channels.  This should be quite easy to reproduce and I assume willf+ be of interest to the compiler maintainers.t  A The access violation in the most recent version of the C compiler C occurred when building a debug version of a recent Perl development * snapshot.  The source can be obtained from= <http://www.iki.fi/jhi/perl@6409.tgz>, though very likely thei< released version of Perl would demonstrate the same problem.E Gunzip it, untar, and build the util module using commands similar tohB the following (although I used MMK, I can't imagine MMS would makeK any difference).  Please contact me if any further information is required.    $ cc/version) Compaq C V6.2-007 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1a $ gunzip perl6409.tgzd $ vmstar -xf perl6409.tar  $ set def [.perl]b $ @configure -"des"i   [  configure output snipped  ]    $ mmk/macro=__debug__=1 util.obj2 Copy/Log/NoConfirm [.vms]sockadapt.h []sockadapt.hD %COPY-S-COPIED, BRIANA$DKA0:[CRAIG.PERL.VMS]SOCKADAPT.H;1 copied to 1 BRIANA$DKA0:[CRAIG.PERL]SOCKADAPT.H;1 (10 blocks) , Copy/Log/NoConfirm [.vms]vmsish.h []vmsish.hA %COPY-S-COPIED, BRIANA$DKA0:[CRAIG.PERL.VMS]VMSISH.H;1 copied to n. BRIANA$DKA0:[CRAIG.PERL]VMSISH.H;1 (55 blocks)" Copy/Log [.VMS]PERLY_H.VMS PERLY.HD %COPY-S-COPIED, BRIANA$DKA0:[CRAIG.PERL.VMS]PERLY_H.VMS;1 copied to , BRIANA$DKA0:[CRAIG.PERL]PERLY.H;2 (3 blocks) CC/DECC/NOANSI_ALIAS ua /Include=[]/Standard=Relaxed_ANSI/Prefix=All/Obj=.obj/List/Debug/NoOpt/Show=All/Define=PERL_CORE 1 UTIL.C< %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual : address=0000000000000004, PC=000000000025A4A0, PS=0000001B/ %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump followssK    image    module    routine             line      rel PC           abs PCe-   DECC$COMPILER  EXPR  build_listing_ref_nodedP                                          61754 0000000000011020 000000000025A4A0.   DECC$COMPILER  SRCTYP  interpret_source_typeP                                          39204 0000000000000D0C 0000000000271A0C.   DECC$COMPILER  SRCTYP  interpret_source_typeP                                          39060 00000000000009D4 00000000002716D42   DECC$COMPILER  EXPR  perform_expr_interpretationP                                          54020 0000000000007570 00000000002509F02   DECC$COMPILER  EXPR  interpret_source_expressionP                                          55174 00000000000091B8 00000000002526383   DECC$COMPILER  STMT  interpret_statement_sequenceFP                                          45075 0000000000002398 0000000000275BA8.   DECC$COMPILER  STMT  interpret_function_bodyP                                          46923 0000000000002AF4 00000000002763043   DECC$COMPILER  DECL  interpret_source_declarationmP                                          46610 00000000000016F4 0000000000243A24P   DECC$COMPILER  FEMAST  fe_master       43031 00000000000005F4 000000000025BFC4(   DECC$COMPILER  COMPILE  gem_xx_compileP                                          75903 00000000000009A8 00000000003234B8(   DECC$COMPILER  GEM_CP_VMS  GEM_CP_MAINP                                           2396 0000000000001554 000000000037E174P                                              0 FFFFFFFF829813D4 FFFFFFFF829813D4M %MMK-F-ERRUPD, error status %X1000000C occurred when updating target UTIL.OBJ< $ show process/quota  G 27-JUL-2000 11:12:13.68   User: CRAIG            Process ID:   00000094oG                            Node: BRIANA           Process name: "CRAIG"n   Process Quotas:s   Account name: CABkG   CPU limit:                      Infinite  Direct I/O limit:       150oG   Buffered I/O byte count quota:     99808  Buffered I/O limit:     150sG   Timer queue entry quota:              10  Open file quota:        100eG   Paging file quota:                 96656  Subprocess quota:        10lG   Default page fault cluster:           64  AST quota:              248sG   Enqueue quota:                      2000  Shared file limit:        0aG   Max detached processes:                0  Max active jobs:          0 
 $ logout/fulln5    CRAIG        logged out at 27-JUL-2000 11:12:28.10       Accounting information:P    Buffered I/O count:              37407      Peak working set size:      16528P    Direct I/O count:                48975      Peak virtual size:         185488P    Page faults:                     63929      Mounted volumes:                0P    Charged CPU time:        0 00:03:55.28      Elapsed time:       0 00:22:45.38 --  , ____________________________________________ Craig A. Berry  mailto:craig.berry@metamorgs.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:15:44 -0400w2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)- Subject: Re: DCPS woes / Tektronix Phaser 850eL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2807002115440001@user-2iveams.dialup.mindspring.com>   In article <rdeininger-2707000153470001@user-2ive63s.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote:   > Hello All, > J > I'm trying to get DCPS version 1.5 (on an alpha, not a vax) to work withL > a new Tektronix Phaser 850.  (Yes, I know it's not on the supported list.) > D > DCPS 1.7 is lying around here somewhere, waiting for a Round Tuit.  O In case anyone is keeping score, version 1.7 did NOT help.  The problem remainsg	 the same.e   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:03:18 -0500a) From: Igor Kuriashkin <ikuriash@uiuc.edu>  Subject: DSSI node name change( Message-ID: <39821136.9A164AB4@uiuc.edu>  & --------------1BDAC7424D305C154A3B1CA9* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bito  G I have a VAX 4000/300 in an MRI system which lost it's only DSSI drive. H We replaced the drive with a used one which works, but cannot figure outG how to change the node name of the new drive which appears to be buriedrG on the controller.  Because the backed up software all refers to a nodenG name of "SYSTEM" as in SYSTEM$DIA0: the restored software configurationoH depends on it.  I suspect that you need to do this somewhere in the 40004 console setup software.  I got into the following...   >>>set host/dup/dssi/bus:0 0 Starting DUP server...   DSSI Bus 0 Node 0 (R1F0NI)= Copyright (C) 1990, 1991, 1992  Digital Equipment CorporationS# PRFMON V1.0  D 23-SEP-1993 10:27:24d# DRVEXR V2.1  D 23-SEP-1993 10:27:24s# DRVTST V2.1  D 23-SEP-1993 10:27:24 # HISTRY V1.2  D 23-SEP-1993 10:27:24e# DIRECT V1.0  D 23-SEP-1993 10:27:24 # ERASE  V2.1  D 23-SEP-1993 10:27:24s# VERIFY V1.1  D 23-SEP-1993 10:27:24o# DKUTIL V1.1  D 23-SEP-1993 10:27:24.# PARAMS V3.0  D 23-SEP-1993 10:27:24f Total of 9 programs.  E ... and can read the node name on the drive, but can't seem to changefB it.  We have to figure this out quickly.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.   Dr. Igor Kuriashkin, UIUCd    & --------------1BDAC7424D305C154A3B1CA9) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-asciin Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitr  > <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html>F <font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1>I have a VAX 4000/300 in anG MRI system which lost it's only DSSI drive.&nbsp; We replaced the drive I with a used one which works, but cannot figure out how to change the nodeoI name of the new drive which appears to be buried on the controller.&nbsp;iG Because the backed up software all refers to a node name of "SYSTEM" aseH in SYSTEM$DIA0: the restored software configuration depends on it.&nbsp;F I suspect that you need to do this somewhere in the 4000 console setupr software.&nbsp; I got into the following...</font></font><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1></font></font>H <p><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1>>>>set host/dup/dssi/bus:0 0</font></font>  <br><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1>Starting DUP server...</font></font><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1></font></font>V <p><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1>DSSI Bus 0 Node 0 (R1F0NI)</font></font>H <br><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1>Copyright (C) 1990, 1991,6 1992&nbsp; Digital Equipment Corporation</font></font>N <br><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1>PRFMON V1.0&nbsp; D 23-SEP-1993 10:27:24</font></font>N <br><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1>DRVEXR V2.1&nbsp; D 23-SEP-1993 10:27:24</font></font>N <br><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1>DRVTST V2.1&nbsp; D 23-SEP-1993 10:27:24</font></font>N <br><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1>HISTRY V1.2&nbsp; D 23-SEP-1993 10:27:24</font></font>N <br><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1>DIRECT V1.0&nbsp; D 23-SEP-1993 10:27:24</font></font>G <br><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1>ERASE&nbsp; V2.1&nbsp; Do" 23-SEP-1993 10:27:24</font></font>N <br><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1>VERIFY V1.1&nbsp; D 23-SEP-1993 10:27:24</font></font>N <br><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1>DKUTIL V1.1&nbsp; D 23-SEP-1993 10:27:24</font></font>N <br><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1>PARAMS V3.0&nbsp; D 23-SEP-1993 10:27:24</font></font> <br><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1>Total of 9 programs.</font></font><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1></font></font>G <p><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1>... and can read the nodeiG name on the drive, but can't seem to change it.&nbsp; We have to figure- this out quickly.&nbsp; Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.</font></font><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1></font></font>U <p><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1>Dr. Igor Kuriashkin, UIUC</font></font> J <br><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1></font></font>&nbsp;</html>  ( --------------1BDAC7424D305C154A3B1CA9--   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:55:34 GMTn( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>" Subject: Re: DSSI node name change' Message-ID: <FyFp8n.A28@spcuna.spc.edu>   + Igor Kuriashkin <ikuriash@uiuc.edu> writes:fI > I have a VAX 4000/300 in an MRI system which lost it's only DSSI drive.NJ > We replaced the drive with a used one which works, but cannot figure outI > how to change the node name of the new drive which appears to be buried I > on the controller.  Because the backed up software all refers to a nodeoI > name of "SYSTEM" as in SYSTEM$DIA0: the restored software configurationcJ > depends on it.  I suspect that you need to do this somewhere in the 40006 > console setup software.  I got into the following...  J   That sounds like you want to set the ALLOCLASS to 0, not change the node name. For example:   NOBODY::$ sh dev d  P Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntP  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CntP $1$DIA0:      (R4BZBM)  Mounted              0  VAXVMSRL5      1787952   314   1P $1$DIA1:      (R4CBVM)  Mounted              0  USERDISK1      1154352     2   1P $1$DIA2:      (R4XB0C)  Mounted              0  USERDISK2      1929996     1   1P $1$DIA3:      (R4DD3E)  Mounted              0  USERDISK3      1969024     2   1P $1$DIA4:      (R4DZ2S)  Mounted              0  USERDISK4      3237732    27   1P $1$DIA5:      (R4YZ2E)  Mounted              0  USERDISK5      3842532     1   1P $1$DIA6:      (R4WLEO)  Mounted              0  USERDISK6       558472     1   1P $1$DIA7:      (R4JCVM)  Mounted              0  USERDISK7      3792712     1   1P $1$DIA8:      (R4FTEP)  Mounted              0  USERDISK8      3848920     1   1P $1$DIA9:      (R4AMFP)  Mounted              0  USERDISK9      1648592     1   1  L   In this case, the name in parenthesis is the DSSI nodename (unchanged fromN when the disks were shipped from the factory) and the $1$ is from an ALLOCLASSM of 1. I assume your other disks have an ALLOCLASS of 0 and your system's nodee name is SYSTEM.    >>>>set host/dup/dssi/bus:0 0i > Starting DUP server...G > ... and can read the node name on the drive, but can't seem to changekD > it.  We have to figure this out quickly.  Any suggestions would be > greatly appreciated.  L   Use /task=params on your command line and then change the ALLOCLASS value.L I don't remember if you have to do a WRITE or something else to save it, but there's probably on-line help.  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com 5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAr   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:02:45 -0400e+ From: Clayton Kroh <ckroh@MAIL.CLARION.EDU>  Subject: FastTrack+ Message-ID: <3981E6E4.40E26C20@clarion.edu>   F We are testing Netscape FastTrack (v. 3.02) on OpenVMS 7.1 (Alpha) andF it seems that all users that intend to publish need to be added to theE FastTrack user database meaning that FastTrack does not reference the A SYSUAF file for current username and passwords. In our universityaH environment there would be too much overhead associated with maintainingH a separate database such as this. FastTrack does have an import functionE (if you create the source file) for the usernames but it still cannotc* import the passwords from the SYSUAF file.   Two questions:  H 1. Are there any other possible solutions to this problem? Compaq didn't	 have any.e  E 2. What other Web servers are available for VMS (other that Purveyor)T? that are supported by the vendor and access the SYSUAF file forA usernames and passwords?   Thanks in advance.   -- Clayton Kroh Manager, Enterprise Services Clarion University of PA ckroh@clarion.edun (814) 393-1673   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 22:38:25 +0200y2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: Fortune cookies? ; Message-ID: <3981ef41.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>a  & paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote:C : >> If anyone needs a copy of what we have collected, email me ...k : > @ : >	Definitly interested, can you make it available for download : >	somewhere? :aE : Starting from the back, I do not have access to any download areas.s ...uK : Since I have now mailed to a few people who do have sites, I am sure thatlE : they  can probably incorporate with their collection on their site.l  C Yup. I've put them on my pages. And I'll throw in my version of YOWaB (originally feeding from Zippy the Pinhead quotes) - eventually on Sunday.u   cu,c   Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.delN One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jul 2000 22:20:12 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Fortune cookies? 6 Message-ID: <8lt0us$46r$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>     Various folks wrote:  C : >> If anyone needs a copy of what we have collected, email me ...  : >d@ : >	Definitly interested, can you make it available for download : >	somewhere? :aE : Starting from the back, I do not have access to any download areas.      I do.l  K : Since I have now mailed to a few people who do have sites, I am sure thatoE : they  can probably incorporate with their collection on their site.d    F   Scrape together a submission for the OpenVMS Freeware, and I'll add D   this onto the next distribution.  (Please see the OpenVMS FAQ for E   pointers to the submission information and (simple!) requirements.)o    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 22:48:40 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>$ Subject: FS:  Pathworks for Mac Docs7 Message-ID: <200007282248_MC2-ADE1-5ABF@compuserve.com>i  F         I have the following Pathworks for MacIntosh documentation for9 sale.  Shipping from or pick up in the Philadelphia area.s   AA-PBFMB-TE Mac X User's Guide% AA-PBFLB-TE Mac Terminal User's Guider) AA-PBFKB-TE Network Services User's Guideg  G The above are unused, in original plastic wrap.  I think they are V1.0.r   AA-PBFMB-TE Mac X User's Guide% AA-PBFLB-TE Mac Terminal User's Guide > AA-PBFKC-TE Network Services User's Guide (Says V1.1 on spine)! These are used in good condition.a  ? AA-QLLEA-TE Pathworks for Mac Client (V1.2 or V1.3 (not clear))a/ AA-QLLFA-TE Pathworks for OpenVMS (V1.2 or 1.3)t@ (I'm keeping the binders, just selling the contents)  Good cond.   Make offer.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 22:23:13 GMTr# From: Mark Sterk <strong@chello.nl> 9 Subject: Re: Graphics board in a VAXStation 3100 Model 76,) Message-ID: <39820680.E26C5A11@chello.nl>o  K I don't know the VR150 monitor, you normaly use a VRT19 in combination withl this video board.nL You can try the dip switch on the back of the graphics board (2 switches) toN decrease the resolution and refresh rate, with a bit of luck your monitor will swallow it.r   Success,   Mark         "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote:p  K >         The "SPX" says that the machine does 1280x1024 graphics!  I don'td0 > think that the VR150 supports that resolution. >=K >         I believe that, in addition to the SPX graphics board, there is aPK > "dumb" graphics facility on the mother board.  That would explain why you:F > got a display after removing the graphics board.  I don't think it'sG > defective, it just doesn't work with the VR150.  Try reinstalling theeI > graphics board and connecting to a good quality multi-sync monitor withY > 1280x1024 capability.OM > You will probably need a special cable or adapter and I don't know what youP
 > would need.3 >o& > Message text written by "David Betz"K > >I recently acquired a VAXStation 3100 Model 76 SPX and am having troublePL > getting it to work with my VR150 monitor. When I plugged it in and poweredM > up the 3100 all I got was a blank screen. I verified that the monitor worksAL > by connecting it to another machine. I also checked the switch on the backD > of the 3100 to make sure it was in the down position to select theL > monitor/keyboard rather than an external console. Then I decided to see ifG > it was the graphics board that was causing the trouble. I removed the G > daughter board (the component side says GS-2 and the solder side says D > SCANPROC 8 PLANE 2D) and I now see text on the screen on power up. >  > My questions are:0 >0H > 1) Is the graphics board defective or is it just incompatible with the > VR150 
 > monitor? > E > 2) If they are incompatible, which monitor do I need for this modelM
 > VAXStation?t >rJ > 3) Is there any problem with running the 3100 without the graphics board
 > installed?<0   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:17:14 GMT  From: tgreenwood@my-deja.com. Subject: Re: help with MACRO compiler warnings) Message-ID: <8lsin3$se5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   0 In article <009EDC08.D88DF7C7@SendSpamHere.ORG>,    system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > Care to post the macros?  $ You've seen evrything I've seen now!  E All there is is the two .MAR files with the the definitions as tackedMA on the last message - the package itself is supplied as an objectFD library and they aren't going to let the likes of me have the source code!   G In fact by some bizarre route we managed to run all the routines in theMD library even though it bombed the first time we tried to look at the image, and they all worked.   G Now if only we could get rid of this 'compilation warning' stuff I'd be3 a happy bunny!   Cheers Tony.X    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:41:22 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)r. Subject: Re: help with MACRO compiler warnings0 Message-ID: <009EDC2A.5CD15DDD@SendSpamHere.ORG>  H In article <8lsin3$se5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, tgreenwood@my-deja.com writes:1 >In article <009EDC08.D88DF7C7@SendSpamHere.ORG>, ! >  system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:f >> Care to post the macros?i >f% >You've seen evrything I've seen now!o >sF >All there is is the two .MAR files with the the definitions as tackedB >on the last message - the package itself is supplied as an objectE >library and they aren't going to let the likes of me have the source  >code! >jH >In fact by some bizarre route we managed to run all the routines in theE >library even though it bombed the first time we tried to look at the  >image, and they all worked. > H >Now if only we could get rid of this 'compilation warning' stuff I'd be >a happy bunny!  >  >Cheers  >Tony.  E Sorry, but what you posted was a .MAR file referencing macros.  These F are likely found in the .MLB in the .LIBRARY statement of your source.   How about this..._  # $ MACRO/LIST/SHOW=EXPANSION  <file>r  ( Then, post the .LIS file this generates.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMd   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jul 2000 19:36:25 GMT* From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)9 Subject: Re: How to make HP printer talk to VMS/Multinet? ) Message-ID: <8lsnbp$1mg$4@hecate.umd.edu>r  N In vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.multinet Lawrence Bleau <bleau@umtof.umd.edu> wrote:O > We're trying to set up a print queue that prints to a HP laserjet printer.  IvP > went through the Multinet menus to configure a printer.  I gave it the correctJ > IP address and port number.  I know they are correct because the printerP > configuration page, when I printed it, gave me the IP address, and I then used > TELNET/PORT=9100 ipaddressP > to connect to it.  The printer accepted the telnet request (the TELNET commandO > connected me instead of hanging), so that confirms the printer is on the net,e5 > has that IP address, and is listening on port 9100.1  K Sorry, guys, I should've reported back earlier.  I found my problem; you're N going to laugh about this one.  The printer is set up in PostScript mode only.M Not realizing this, every time I tested the darn thing I tried a simple test:vO send it a short, plain text ascii file.  It accepted the entire file each time, L parsed it, detected an error (invalid PS command), and threw it away.  Thus,K there was never anything printed, never any data stuck in the printer, etc.   M Many thanks to Steven Schweda for pointing this out to me.  It works fine nowd- that I just send it PS files. <sheepish grin>t   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.eduR   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jul 2000 16:10 CSTt' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)d9 Subject: Re: How to make HP printer talk to VMS/Multinet?E- Message-ID: <28JUL200016100027@gerg.tamu.edu>:   bleau@umtof.umd.edu writes...3L }Sorry, guys, I should've reported back earlier.  I found my problem; you'reO }going to laugh about this one.  The printer is set up in PostScript mode only.2N }Not realizing this, every time I tested the darn thing I tried a simple test:P }send it a short, plain text ascii file.  It accepted the entire file each time,M }parsed it, detected an error (invalid PS command), and threw it away.  Thus,AL }there was never anything printed, never any data stuck in the printer, etc. }  }Lawrence Bleau   J PS capable printers have two different ports, one for PS and one for text.K Uinsg Multinet and the LPD access method, the PS port on an HP printer withmF built-in ethernet is usually called "raw" and the text port is usually called "text".  A I wouldn't expect it to be any different if using something otherrE than Multinet, but if you don't use LPD and have to give port numbersaE I don't know what the other port number is. LPD via Multinet seems toI/ work fine, so that's what I use when I need to.n   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:00:05 GMTo1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>o7 Subject: Re: I/Os per second, how do you increase them?n1 Message-ID: <3981CA06.5155F7B@clarityconnect.com>>  F Because MONITOR does not have a way to quickly sample a process to seeF how big it's IOs are.  MONITOR does have a way to quickly see how manyE Direct I/Os a process does.  Be careful here though as not all Direct>H I/Os are disk I/Os, for example some TCPIP I/Os are classified as DirectH I/Os by the TCPIP drivers.  VMS does have a way to collect I/O sizes andH on a per process basis, see IOPERFORM hook in the $QIO subsystem, but asE many folks have found out it takes a bit of work to use the info that>H can be collected here.  FYI MONITOR DISK just samples the UCB fields forE a disk to get the I/O rate and the queue length.  If there are issues1F with maintaining these 'meter' fields then the MONITOR data may not be correct.   Tim Llewellyn wrote:U > What I am saying is, why does Monitor process/topdio for example not have an option"( > to report Mb/s rather than just I/O's. >    -- :D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:34:29 GMT12 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>8 Subject: Re: is there a database available for VMS hobby5 Message-ID: <pEpg5.154$mO3.29679@typhoon.aracnet.com>e  4 Chris Casey <Chris.Casey@hendersonnospam.com> wrote:) > Take a look at Cache from Intersystems.nI > This is one of the fastest and most scaleable databases around for VMS. M > It's predecessor DSM used to produce benchmark figures that scared the helle > out of Oracle and Rdb. > (www.intersys.com)  K Unfortunatly for hobbyists, which is unfortunatly the catagory I fall into,aK the free personal use versions are only for Linux and Windows.  I wonder if>5 they could be talked into a OpenVMS Hobbyist version.e   			Zanev   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:18:48 GMT2/ From: Brad Hamilton <bradhamilton@mediaone.net>-! Subject: Re: Memory & CPU Support3, Message-ID: <3981F8B8.7D333C03@mediaone.net>  G How about 32 instances of "SETI@home", or one of the other "distributedeF computing" tasks floating about?  Think management would be concerned? :-)   " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > H > Hey, I could keep 32 busy right now with code I've already written. OfE > course,  to hit the 32 processor mark, management's projected usages, > estimates would have to be right...... ;-) >  > Shane  > @ > David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> on 07/27/2000 12:30:56 PM >  > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comc > cc:e > $ > Subject:  Re: Memory & CPU Support >  > "Bart Z. Lederman" wrote:s > >e< > > Actually coming up with an application that will keep 32B > > processors busy at the same time is another matter altogether.B > > I would be very interested to hear from anyone who thinks theyA > > have such an application.  We have seen applications that use ? > > up to 14 processors on existing platforms, but I'm not sure1 > > they'd scale to 32.n > M > Well, to take this to the extreme, I think I could design an application toe > keepM > 32 processors busy, but, it would be designed to do just that, and probably 8 > wouldn't have much (any) real world applicability. :-) >  > Dave >  > --6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596@ > DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com8 > T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jul 2000 14:38:27 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.293778.killspam.0223 (Wayne Sewell) ) Subject: Re: Microvax 3100-10 and 20  $99 . Message-ID: <3H3M2CEAA+wY@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  Z In article <398092D2.9270404E@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > Wayne Sewell wrote:e >> sY >> In article <sntok0ta3j111@corp.supernews.com>, "Islandco" <sales@islandco.com> writes:1 >> > Yep >> > >> > We're doing it again  >> > >>  N >> Yes, if you mean posting advertisements to a technical newsgroup, again and8 >> again and again and again and again and again and ... > 8 > So, at the time I'm writing this, the score stands at: > ? > 	1 - announcement of some rather cheap prices for some old HW  > 	1 - defense of original postt( > 	2 - rather neutral posts on the topic  > 	3 - against the original post > 	4 - for the original post > N > Some of the above actually could have been classified a bit differently, butQ > hey, it's my post.  In any case, including my comments, 11 posts to comp.os.vmstJ > that wouldn't have existed if the first was ignored by those who weren'tM > interested.  As for my stance, I'm sure there are still a few who'd like aneQ > inexpensive home system, and maybe even a few who'd consider them for something  > else.O >  > 11 unneeded posts.    L All in response to 1 inappropriate post.  If the original hadn't been there, the others wouldn't either.T  + >Once again, what's the definition of spam?u  O Okay, you win.  I'll just have to filter the island shit at the nntp level, thecM way I do andrew, todd, tarka, and wetboy.  You'll never see another post fromrN me concerning island, because I won't see the ads any more.  If everybody else< in the newsgroup can tolerate that crap, more power to them.  J Just think about this, however.  Island is pretty much the only vendor whoM ignores the rules, since the other companies selling vms stuff are staffed byoO professionals.  If you give them the impression that ads are tolerated, or evenUL welcomed, they might lose their inhibitions.  If *all* of these vendors dumpM crap into the newsgroup, you might find a dozen ads for each technical post.   Is that what you really want?-  N That's why there are separate newsgroups explicitly for buying and selling.  IJ think it's been proposed before, but a vmsnet newsgroup for advertisements> would be a good thing.  Hell, give Island their own newsgroup,N vmsnet.island.ads.and.auctions.and.other.shit.  Unfortunately, they would post both there *and* comp.os.vms.i   -- eO ===============================================================================oM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxn: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)uO ===============================================================================eO Otter, on dining with Bluto:"It's perfectly safe if you keep your arms and legs  			away from his mouth."   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:12:00 -0400 % From: "Islandco" <sales@islandco.com> ) Subject: Re: Microvax 3100-10 and 20  $99w/ Message-ID: <so446n7ho0b181@corp.supernews.com>s  , Well... I got a chuckle out of that response  @ Wayne - if you ever quit the Computer Biz - try stand up comedy!$ You'll do pretty well... seriously !  E As for the newsgroup idea - say  dec.forsale  - how does one go aboutl getting a newsgroup going ???aH Are there specific servers that you rent space through, like web-hosting  J Hell - we are going to Wireless DSL in Savannah - could we do it ourselves" with a 512k connection both ways ?   Davido    H Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.xxx.293778.killspam.0223> wrote in message( news:3H3M2CEAA+wY@tachxxsoftxxconsult...> > In article <398092D2.9270404E@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:i > > Wayne Sewell wrote:e > >>> > >> In article <sntok0ta3j111@corp.supernews.com>, "Islandco" <sales@islandco.com> writes:
 > >> > Yep > >> > > >> > We're doing it agains > >> > > >>L > >> Yes, if you mean posting advertisements to a technical newsgroup, again andi: > >> again and again and again and again and again and ... > >n: > > So, at the time I'm writing this, the score stands at: > >-@ > > 1 - announcement of some rather cheap prices for some old HW  > > 1 - defense of original post) > > 2 - rather neutral posts on the topics! > > 3 - against the original post1 > > 4 - for the original post  > >aL > > Some of the above actually could have been classified a bit differently, but G > > hey, it's my post.  In any case, including my comments, 11 posts toP comp.os.vmseL > > that wouldn't have existed if the first was ignored by those who weren'tL > > interested.  As for my stance, I'm sure there are still a few who'd like anI > > inexpensive home system, and maybe even a few who'd consider them for 	 somethinge	 > > else.S > >1 > > 11 unneeded posts. >dG > All in response to 1 inappropriate post.  If the original hadn't been3 there, > the others wouldn't either.o >p- > >Once again, what's the definition of spam?  >tF > Okay, you win.  I'll just have to filter the island shit at the nntp
 level, theJ > way I do andrew, todd, tarka, and wetboy.  You'll never see another post fromK > me concerning island, because I won't see the ads any more.  If everybody8 else> > in the newsgroup can tolerate that crap, more power to them. > L > Just think about this, however.  Island is pretty much the only vendor whoL > ignores the rules, since the other companies selling vms stuff are staffed byL > professionals.  If you give them the impression that ads are tolerated, or evenI > welcomed, they might lose their inhibitions.  If *all* of these vendorsh dumpH > crap into the newsgroup, you might find a dozen ads for each technical post.. > Is that what you really want?n >dD > That's why there are separate newsgroups explicitly for buying and selling.  IhL > think it's been proposed before, but a vmsnet newsgroup for advertisements@ > would be a good thing.  Hell, give Island their own newsgroup,K > vmsnet.island.ads.and.auctions.and.other.shit.  Unfortunately, they woulda post > both there *and* comp.os.vms.  >2 > -- >aL ============================================================================ ===a: > Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738 wayne@tachysoft.xxx : > http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.htmlH > change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot :-)d > L ============================================================================ ===cL > Otter, on dining with Bluto:"It's perfectly safe if you keep your arms and legs > away from his mouth."t   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jul 2000 16:59:56 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)e) Subject: Re: Microvax 3100-10 and 20  $99e, Message-ID: <RMuWH5FrrwcD@malvm2.mala.bc.ca>  / In article <3H3M2CEAA+wY@tachxxsoftxxconsult>, N? wayne@tachysoft.xxx.293778.killspam.0223 (Wayne Sewell) writes:  > L > Just think about this, however.  Island is pretty much the only vendor whoO > ignores the rules, since the other companies selling vms stuff are staffed byhQ > professionals.  If you give them the impression that ads are tolerated, or eveniN > welcomed, they might lose their inhibitions.  If *all* of these vendors dumpO > crap into the newsgroup, you might find a dozen ads for each technical post. a > Is that what you really want?O > H       It doesn't seem to me there are that many companies dealing in VMSE compatible hardware and even if all of them posted with the frequency D David does it would hardly be noticeable. In fact if they're postingK "specials" such as $99 VAXen or $1500 PWS 500a's, which might be attractiveeT to hobbyists, they could well be doing the VMS world a favour by getting VMS systems into more hands.  P > That's why there are separate newsgroups explicitly for buying and selling.  IL > think it's been proposed before, but a vmsnet newsgroup for advertisements@ > would be a good thing.  Hell, give Island their own newsgroup,0 > vmsnet.island.ads.and.auctions.and.other.shit.  F     I would certainly carry such a newsgroup on my server, but I don'tL know how widely the vmsnet hierarchy is carried. a misc.forsale.computer.vmsM might be better, but a lot of real spammers post their crap to misc.forsale.*,/ so it might quickly fill up with billybox junk.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:23:29 +0000 (   )s3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> ) Subject: Re: Microvax 3100-10 and 20  $99.J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10007290022380.11415-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  & On 28 Jul 2000, Malcolm Dunnett wrote:  H >     I would certainly carry such a newsgroup on my server, but I don'tN > know how widely the vmsnet hierarchy is carried. a misc.forsale.computer.vmsO > might be better, but a lot of real spammers post their crap to misc.forsale.*b1 > so it might quickly fill up with billybox junk.i   Make quorum fast?e   Regards,   Christ  O ===============================================================================n@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmert Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.c% -------------------------------------MI "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes andRH weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949  O -------------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:54:24 GMTw From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>& Subject: Re: MS IntelliMouse on Alpha?' Message-ID: <3981C8CF.66573A8D@home.nl>i  H Don't know about the M$ mouse, but I'm using a Logitech Trackball Marble3 on my Alpha / VMS box. It works great, no problems.e   "Michael T. Davis" wrote:l > M >         Can the IntelliMouse (2-button with scroll wheel/button) be used onuO > an Alpha workstation?  Presumably, the wheel functionality would be lost, butpO > could the wheel "button" still be used?  If so, how do the two standard mouse L > buttons and the wheel button on the IntelliMouse map to the standard threeJ > buttons on the typical Alpha mouse?  Alternately, could a standard AlphaN > workstation mouse be used on a PC (under WinNT 4.0, for example), and if so,( > would all three buttons be functional? > 	 > Thanks,y >  Mikeo > --M >              Michael T. Davis              |    Systems Specialist: ChE,MSElP >   E-mail: davism@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu    | Departmental Networking/ComputingL >            -or- DAVISM+@osu.edu            |     The Ohio State UniversityL > http://www.er6.eng.ohio-state.edu/~davism/ |     197 Watts, (614) 292-6928   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:12:43 -0700a! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comn& Subject: Re: MS IntelliMouse on Alpha?C Message-ID: <OF7F9EED47.D1BEA12F-ON8825692A.0063F4D8@HEALTHNET.COM>n  I I have a Logitech cordless wheel mouse on my AlphaStation 2000, the wheel@0 doesn't work but everything else seems to be OK.   Shane8          2 Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> on 07/28/2000 10:54:24 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr cc:   ' Subject:  Re: MS IntelliMouse on Alpha?0    H Don't know about the M$ mouse, but I'm using a Logitech Trackball Marble3 on my Alpha / VMS box. It works great, no problems.    "Michael T. Davis" wrote:  >sJ >         Can the IntelliMouse (2-button with scroll wheel/button) be used onK > an Alpha workstation?  Presumably, the wheel functionality would be lost,i buttI > could the wheel "button" still be used?  If so, how do the two standarda mouse F > buttons and the wheel button on the IntelliMouse map to the standard threenJ > buttons on the typical Alpha mouse?  Alternately, could a standard AlphaJ > workstation mouse be used on a PC (under WinNT 4.0, for example), and if so,t( > would all three buttons be functional? >n	 > Thanks,t >  Mike  > --E >              Michael T. Davis              |    Systems Specialist:d ChE,MSE ; >   E-mail: davism@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu    | Departmental  Networking/ComputingA >            -or- DAVISM+@osu.edu            |     The Ohio Staten
 UniversityC > http://www.er6.eng.ohio-state.edu/~davism/ |     197 Watts, (614)s 292-6928   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jul 2000 14:25 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)r& Subject: Re: MS IntelliMouse on Alpha?- Message-ID: <28JUL200014251205@gerg.tamu.edu>y  ' hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam writes...1K }  As for what Windows NT might do with a three-button rodent, I'd suggest sM }  asking that Windows NT questions in a Windows NT newsgroup.  (I do happen lM }  to have a three button mouse connected to a local NT4 box, but the middle DM }  button is currently only a "spare" -- its use likely involves finding sometL }  sort of custom NT mouse driver for it, a discussion which is WOT (Way Off }  Topic) for comp.os.vms.)E } M }   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.como  E I have a 3-button Logitech mouse on my home NT system. It works fine.sG The middle button is not used by NT itself, and the Mouse control panelnE is not aware of it's existance. It is avbailable for use by software.tD The only MS software that I know of that makes use of it is InternetH Explorer, where it is used to place a "marker" and then the farther yourB cursor is from the marker, the faster it scrolls in that direction= (from very slowly when close, to way too fast when far away).-- Other software uses it for whatever it wants.    --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jul 2000 19:19:20 GMT& From: davidsen@tmr.com (bill davidsen)1 Subject: Re: New SKC Postings on www.acersoft.comm5 Message-ID: <8lsmbo$5ee$1@newssvr02.news.prodigy.com>:  - In article <397D9EF9.1193BB9C@netinsight.se>, 9 Johnny Billquist  <Johnny.Billquist@netinsight.se> wrote:h  G | Unfortunately, history seems to imply that they don't. Atleast no thef	 | "when".s& | Just ask the (ex) TOPS-20 customers.  B   Not quite the same, since the hardware was not the same as other operating systems.  A   TOPS-20 went the way of MULTICS, no hardware made any more, andtC software not support or sold. Sure wish Honeywell would release theaA MULTICS source, I'd love to see the father of UNIX running again.i   --  <   bill davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>  CTO, TMR Associates, IncF There are those who make things happen, those who watch things happen,# and those who wonder what happened.  	-- idea from _Pickles_o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 22:49:58 -0400.2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>' Subject: OpenVMS on an Alphaserver 2100u7 Message-ID: <200007282250_MC2-ADE1-5AC5@compuserve.com>w  J         Excuse me if this is too elementary.  Did you reset the OSTYPE(SP=  ; ???) from NT to VMS?  Are you booting from the SRM console?     % Message text written by Russell Smithn > =n  J I have recently aquired an Alphaserver 2100 4/275.  I am trying, without =  B success, to install OpenVMS on it.  I came to me as an NT machine.  ( The model number/part number is 460AP-A9  D When booting from the CD the boot bugchecks with and error loading =   PROCESS_MANAGEMENT.EXE ???  H I cannot find anything on the net/wizard that says this machine can only run =i  < NT, any help with this machine would be greatly appreciated. <r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 22:49:47 -0400p2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>+ Subject: RE: OpenVMS on an Alphaserver 2100d7 Message-ID: <200007282249_MC2-ADE1-5AC2@compuserve.com>I  J         I seem to recall upgrading an AlphaServer 2100 4/275 from VMS V6.= 1oJ to VMS V6.2 last year!  I doubt very much that 6.2 is the minimum version=  J that will run.  I think that 6.1 was even supported on this machine at so= me time in the distant past.   >         The minimum supported version is something like 7.1-2!  J >The min VMS version is 6.2, but it also depend on the devices for which = an! higher VMS version may be needed.-J I don't know about a min for the firmware version, maybe for NT there is = as min firmware version :)2       -----Original Message-----3 From: Arne Vajh=F8j [mailto:arne.vajhoej@gtech.com]w  Sent: vrijdag 28 juli 2000 10:38 To: Info-VAX@MVB.SAIC.COM-+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS on an Alphaserver 2100>     Russell Smith wrote:J > I have recently aquired an Alphaserver 2100 4/275.  I am trying, withou= teD > success, to install OpenVMS on it.  I came to me as an NT machine. > =   * > The model number/part number is 460AP-A9 > =   D > When booting from the CD the boot bugchecks with and error loading > PROCESS_MANAGEMENT.EXE ??? > =e  J > I cannot find anything on the net/wizard that says this machine can onl= yh rune> > NT, any help with this machine would be greatly appreciated.   An AS 2100 4/275 can run VMS.t   But:   - what firmware version ?t   - what VMS version ? <o   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:54:25 GMTf/ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>i  Subject: Re: performance ratingsE Message-ID: <BFkg5.1681$ZL5.83191@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>t   Thanks Hoff,  (and Kerry)d  L That chart was almost exactly what I needed (except that it does not include@ the GS80.  Do you guys have any idea when that will be included?  F Talk about scalability!  I see that an ES40 6/667 with four processorsL delivers a tps rating that is more than twice that of an ES40 6/667 with two@ processors (10,300 vs 5,100)!  And SUN thinks their SMP is good!  ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message 0 news:8ls8kv$smg$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... >eJ > In article <%jhg5.19838$o71.1272546@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,1 "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> writes:t > ..I > :Are those [performance] ratings still being published for new systems?  > .. > I >   From the OpenVMS FAQ, one URL with performance comparisons of variousi >   VAX and Alpha systems is:r >sB >     http://www.digital.com/alphaserver/performance/perf_tps.html >eI >   Note: having just noticed it, I will remove the (stale) reference to:  >pL >     http://www.compaq.com/products/workstations/digital/retired/index.html > , >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion ---------------------------l1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineerings hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >u   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:47:05 GMT / From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>h  Subject: Re: performance ratingsH Message-ID: <Zqlg5.20023$o71.1286424@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  E I just wanted to acknowledge that my scalability comment was somewhathJ tounge in cheek, and as some one pointed out to me, off line,  the numbersK are probably somewhat tainted by rounding, but they  still show magnificants scaling.  : "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message? news:BFkg5.1681$ZL5.83191@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...  > Thanks Hoff,  (and Kerry)c > F > That chart was almost exactly what I needed (except that it does not include-B > the GS80.  Do you guys have any idea when that will be included? >cH > Talk about scalability!  I see that an ES40 6/667 with four processorsJ > delivers a tps rating that is more than twice that of an ES40 6/667 with twoaB > processors (10,300 vs 5,100)!  And SUN thinks their SMP is good! >cA > "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messagep2 > news:8ls8kv$smg$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... > >nL > > In article <%jhg5.19838$o71.1272546@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,3 > "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> writes:s > > ..K > > :Are those [performance] ratings still being published for new systems?a > > .. > >nK > >   From the OpenVMS FAQ, one URL with performance comparisons of various3 > >   VAX and Alpha systems is:  > >aD > >     http://www.digital.com/alphaserver/performance/perf_tps.html > >cK > >   Note: having just noticed it, I will remove the (stale) reference to:c > >u > >wF http://www.compaq.com/products/workstations/digital/retired/index.html > >W. > >  --------------------------- pure personal% > opinion ---------------------------e3 > >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringa > hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com > >. >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:01:44 GMT / From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>   Subject: Re: performance ratings) Message-ID: <3981AE68.77F2507F@uiowa.edu>    John Nixon wrote:s > G > I just wanted to acknowledge that my scalability comment was somewhatbA > "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message 2 > news:8ls8kv$smg$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... > > L > > In article <%jhg5.19838$o71.1272546@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,3 > "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> writes:y > > ..K > > :Are those [performance] ratings still being published for new systems?a > > .. > > K > >   From the OpenVMS FAQ, one URL with performance comparisons of various  > >   VAX and Alpha systems is:1 > >pD > >     http://www.digital.com/alphaserver/performance/perf_tps.html   Hoff (or anyone else!),   A As always, thanks for the FAQ and this cut from it with the URLs!s  : Question: Are MicroVAX 3100s the same as VAXStation 3100s??           Is a VAX 4300 the same as a VAXServer 4000 Model 300?   H Note:  If you can edit or pass along a broken URL link, the reference on  G     http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/performance/perf_by_perf_dec.htmlo  E for the VAX performances in Alphabetical sorting is wrong.  It shouldo be:e  G     http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/performance/perf_by_name_dec.htmlaB                                                               ^^^^E                                                               missingi   Regards, rick -- sH Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479a   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jul 2000 21:36:00 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: Re: performance ratings6 Message-ID: <8lsuc0$3sv$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  w In article <BFkg5.1681$ZL5.83191@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> writes:.M :That chart was almost exactly what I needed (except that it does not include=A :the GS80.  Do you guys have any idea when that will be included?=  F   I do not know when/if that performance information will be included.  H   Performance of an AlphaServer GS80 one-through-eight processor system D   should be comparable to an equivilent one-through-eight processor F   configuration of the AlphaServer GS160 or AlphaServer GS320 systems.  I   A widget known as the "global switch" is part of the AlphaServer GS160 xK   and the AlphaServer GS320 series, but is not part of the AlphaServer GS80 J   series.  The global switch permits system configurations of from one to I   eight QBBs (see below for details of the QBB).  In place of the global eM   switch, the AlphaServer GS80 systems use a widget known as the "scrambler".lL   The scrambler is a device rather reminiscent of a "null modem cable", and J   is used to connect (at most) two QBBs into a back-to-back configuration.  J   Like the AlphaServer GS160, the AlphaServer GS320 has the global switch.H   Unlike the AlphaServer GS160, the AlphaServer GS320 has the cabinetry G   necessary for a total of eight QBBs, providing up to thirty-two CPUs.oH   The AlphaServer GS160 has room for (at most) four QBBs, providing for 7   a range of configuration of from one to sixteen CPUs.   I   I do not know of any particular performance differences due to the use sE   of the scrambler vs the global switch.  In other words, there is a eN   difference between an AlphaServer GS160 with eight CPUs (two fully-populatedL   QBBs) and an AlphaServer GS80 with eight CPUs (again, two fully-populated L   QBBs) in terms of direct system expansion capabilities (you would need to M   acquire the global switch to expand past two QBBs), but not (again, AFAIK) w/   in terms of the available system performance.s   	--p  F   A QBB is a Quad Building Block, and each QBB contains up to four CPUF   modules, I/O, memory, a local switch, and the supporting hardware.  F   Each isolated QBB is analogous to the design of an AlphaServer ES40 =   system.  (Note: A QBB is _not_ an AlphaServer ES40 system.)c   	--M  D   As for the communications issues that were raised earlier, please D   contact me off-line if you wish me to work with you and with local   OpenVMS management.e  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jul 2000 22:17:43 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: Re: performance ratings6 Message-ID: <8lt0q7$46r$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  [ In article <3981AE68.77F2507F@uiowa.edu>, "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> writes: ; :Question: Are MicroVAX 3100s the same as VAXStation 3100s?t     Short answer: no.p  G   Long answer: since we are discussing "performance" in this thread, I tI   will assume that performance is what you are refering when you specify rH   "same".  If not, well, you can try again and then I or others can try B   again, and maybe then the (real) question can be answered... :-)  H   VAXstation 3100 models 10, 10e, 20, and 20e are roughly equivalent to G   (and are in fact derived from) the VAXstation 3100 model 30, 38, 40, oE   and 48 (respectively) in terms of performance.   The performance of6F   the MicroVAX 3100 is a little slower than the associated VAXstation.H   (There are various hardware, configuration, and ROM differences, too.)  C   The MicroVAX 3100 models 30 and 40 are rather different than the uG   VAXstation 3100 models 30 and 40, and are beween the VAXstation 3100 uG   model 38/48 and the VAXstation 3100 model 76 in terms of performance.t  F   I am not immediately aware of a MicroVAX 3100 series system that is K   directly comparable to the VAXstation 3100 model 76.  Most other members tI   (the model 80 and up) of the MicroVAX 3100 series are rather different  H   (and more recent, and rather faster) than the VAXstation 3100 series.   J   As I would assume you are comparision shopping, please also see the FAQ K   for information around the VAXstation 3100 series and the early MicroVAX l?   3100 series SCSI system disk 1.073 GB maximum capacity limit.u  L   My (personal) preference among the various members of the VAX workstation J   and MicroVAX line -- if you want a personal workstation -- would be one J   of the VAXstation 4000 model 60, 90, or 96 series workstation systems.  G   As the "table-top" and "pedestal" VAX systems go, these are all very  #   fast, very small, and expandable.1  @ :          Is a VAX 4300 the same as a VAXServer 4000 Model 300?  H   The VAX 4000 model 300 (sometimes abbreviated as VAX 4300) is the sameH   system and same basic Q-bus configuration as the VAXserver 4000 model .   300 series, though with different licensing.  : :Note:  If you can edit or pass along a broken URL link...  D   Thanks.  There were a couple of stale URLs in the FAQ in this areaE   as it appears the site has been shuffled around, and I have queued i:   the corresponding updates for the next issue of the FAQ.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:51:07 GMTnG From: "Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to reply)" <operagost@e-mail.com>l( Subject: Re: Q: Looking for an old game.* Message-ID: <39821C66.DB8C7748@e-mail.com>  M I'm running this at operagost.com, BTW. I tool it down last month for a move,t" it will be back up by August 6th.   J I have the 4.55 version. Still looking for that 5.x source code. Where the( heck is Stephan Meier from DEC nowadays?   Ray Swadling wrote:a > F > Could this be Galactic Trader??? I played this on VAX, and this gaveC > you the option of creating a new galaxy to play in, each time youv > started the game.....4 >  > Ray. > B > On 24 Jul 2000 10:33:35 +0200, sutter@robert.mpe-garching.mpg.de > (Robert Suetterlin) wrote: >  > >uK > >Sorry for asking this slightly off-topic question, but I do not know howu/ > >to find what I'm looking for in another way.1 > >AH > >I'm looking for a game that I believe I played some 15 years ago on aK > >PDP11. It is a kind of space exploration game and has a feature no otherlK > >game I know has. You can destroy starts and once You destroyed the last,eI > >the  game ends and tells You to wait until a new galaxy is created ---g8 > >which took like weeks when I played it the last time.J > >       As You all will have guessed I do not know the name of the game.K > >That is exactly what I need and perhaps a place to get it or its source.3 > >o > >Bye, Robert S.    --  " ----------------------------------          Stephen Eickhoff            Havertown, PAt" ----------------------------------   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 20:29:45 GMT 0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com>1 Subject: Re: Shades of "Nothing sucks like a VAX"h& Message-ID: <FyFCnx.EGB@world.std.com>  9 "Alan Wildfire" <alan.wildfire@sture.ch> wrote in message % news:VA.0000008e.19202202@sture.ch...a@ > In article <FyDoA6.7Gs@world.std.com>, Terry C. Shannon wrote:D > > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.org.decus,comp.sys.dec,vmsnet.alpha4 > > From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com>5 > > Subject: Re: Shades of "Nothing sucks like a VAX"$' > > Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 22:31:22 GMTa > >e$ > > I guess what can blow, can suck. >nH > Nothing sucks as hard as Win98 (but you knew that already, didn't you)  E Amen, Brother!! Can you say "Hallejulah" or however they spell it????u   > >t? > >> After all. it's trademarked by Wildfire Communications....d > >w& > S'pose I need to change my name too. >.; > At least I'm lucky enough that I was not born a McDonald.o  F Or ended up as one in of the 5K evil-fodder places that demonstrate to? Europeans (and Aussies and Asians) just what evil we Am****cansa have become?  G So sorry, no name here.. don't want the assault rifle (or lawyer-armed)h clown coming after me.   Ms. Wendy McBurgerQueenh   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:47:23 -0400-, From: taterskins@patriot.net (Ramon L. Tate)1 Subject: Re: Shades of "Nothing sucks like a VAX""D Message-ID: <taterskins-ya023480002907000047230001@news.patriot.net>  P In article <8lrpju$8hp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> wrote:   [snip]  tD > Local motorway signs here tend to display default messages such asF > "Frustration causes accidents", "Watch your speed", "Wear Sunscreen"A > and "Floss" (ok, I made these last two up). More often than nottA > when they do display traffic information it's for the directioneG > opposite to the one you're travelling. Signs on approach to the ForthoH > Road Bridge (Edinburgh) warning of queuing traffic usually warn of non< > existing queues and stay off when there really is a queue. > B > How long before new signs appear saying "Reading pointless signs! > causes accidents" I don't know.  >  > -- > Alan Greig  F Reminds me of the [very expensive] electronic signs recently placed inH Washington, DC, Metro stations that spend most of their time telling youK the time or inviting you to check out their Web site ("All you need to knowtI about Metro" - how's that for arrogance!?) And, of course, the text can't I actually be seen clearly from the entire length of the platform, nor from I most places under the mezzanines. Want useful information, say, somethingiJ about when the next train might appear or whether there's a problem on the# line? Sorry, no can do, apparently.   C Oh, well, it's just a few million of my tax dollars "at work"......i   -- b
 Ramon L. Tateo	 Casa Maao= taterskins@patriot.net   "Skin" that "tater" before replying!    ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jul 2000 21:11:29 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)r( Subject: Re: Standalone backups no more?0 Message-ID: <8lssu1$adn$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  U In article <8lpshf$sh2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Joel Millett <jmillett@my-deja.com> writes: E >I am putting a new, larger hard drive into an Alpha 266 workstation. G >My plan was to create a standalone (bootable) backup tape, boot to it, H >then create an image backup of the old drive onto the tape.  Then I wasF >going to put the new drive in, boot to my bootable tape, and copy the4 >image down onto the new drive.  Makes sense, right? > G >Anyway, I was unable to create a standalone backup tape using my trusy0C >@sys$update:stabackit command.  VMS told me that "STABACKIT" is noV" >longer supported in this version. >-C >Any ideas on how I can get around this?  Is there an easier way to" >accomplish my task?  G Your Alpha workstation should have a CD-ROM drive. And you should own a9; bootable CD-ROM. Thus, no need to have a STABACKIT anymore.K   Regards,    Christoph Gartmannc  H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +------------ http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/english/menue.html -----------+   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jul 2000 21:23:06 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) N Subject: Starting a DEC-Gear-for-Sale newsgroup (was: Microvax 3100-10 and 20)+ Message-ID: <fnyQLEwqpYpG@eisner.decus.org>Q  W In article <so446n7ho0b181@corp.supernews.com>, "Islandco" <sales@islandco.com> writes:   G > As for the newsgroup idea - say  dec.forsale  - how does one go aboute > getting a newsgroup going ???r  C There are newsgroups that specialize in the mechanics of setting upcC new newsgroups, although I do not know the name.  Check through the-@ archives of comp.os.vms for the discussion of setting up the new comp.unix.tru64 group.  J > Are there specific servers that you rent space through, like web-hosting  A No, if your newsgroup proposal is accepted, it just gets added to"A the system for free.  There is no central server for a newsgroup;e& perhaps you are thinking of DEC Notes.   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Jul 2000 04:44:35 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)eR Subject: Re: Starting a DEC-Gear-for-Sale newsgroup (was: Microvax 3100-10 and 20)' Message-ID: <8ltnfj$j64$2@joe.rice.edu>i  : Larry Kilgallen (Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam) wrote:Y : In article <so446n7ho0b181@corp.supernews.com>, "Islandco" <sales@islandco.com> writes:t  I : > As for the newsgroup idea - say  dec.forsale  - how does one go aboutI! : > getting a newsgroup going ???n :dE : There are newsgroups that specialize in the mechanics of setting up 4 : new newsgroups, although I do not know the name.     Per the following reference:  =   news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,news.announce.newusers,h   news.admin.misc,news.answers  K : Check through the  archives of comp.os.vms for the discussion of setting a# : up the new comp.unix.tru64 group.  :s  : http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/creating-newsgroups/part1/$ How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jul 2000 13:42 CSTr' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)e* Subject: RE: Stirrings in the undergrowth?- Message-ID: <28JUL200013423989@gerg.tamu.edu>i  X In article <00256929.004E1CC1.00@quegw01.btyp>, Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk writes...> }Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza } Q }I wonder the same thing - I have been unable to find  a link to the competition.w/ }All I have found is the winners and the rules.  } B }Still, should I expect anything more? Perhaps the competition is; } 2 }If you find the competition page, you win a DS10! } 
 }Steve Spires#  D I havn't looked, but this is probably the contest that went with the: GS80/160/320 announcement which ended a month (more?) ago.  9 You can tell it has ended by the existance of a winner...e   --- Carl  2 }system@SendSpamHere.ORG on 25/07/2000 07:37:00 PM } ! }To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comy, }cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)< }From:      system@SendSpamHere.ORG, 25 July 2000, 7:37 p.m. } " }RE: Stirrings in the undergrowth?K }In article <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D8052845A4@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>,n. }"Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> writes: }>Shane, }>M }>Not sure how many folks got hardcopies of the recent Compaq magazine calledwK }>Inform, but the last page was a full page ad from Cognos on its web basede }>products.o }>K }>Focus of the full page ad was OpenVMS, but they do mention that they alsom }>support Tru64 UNIX and NT. }>; }>The big url on the bottom for additional information was: ! }>http://www.cognos.com/seeoffer/R }>! }>Soft copy version is online at:e }>http://www.compaq.com/inFORM/  }>L }>By the way, not sure if anyone has seen the latest "ePostcard" for OpenVMS }>... check it out at: }>. }><http://www.openvms.compaq.com/e-postcard3/> } K }This link led me to a large .GIF with a "supposedly animated" tour link. AiI }click of that link popped up a window about "AlphaServer Contest: win an. }AlphaServer DS10".r } K }What a fucked up web site!  The "back to the contest" link shows me a list L }of winners (BTW, congrats to Mr. Malmberg!).  So where is this 10 questionsJ }contest form?  For Christ sake, why doesn't Comapq make its freaking siteL }work for/with Netscape on VMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! }   }Where can I enter this contest? }  }-- P }VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:32:11 -0400n$ From: Scott Brooks <SBROOKS@psu.edu>& Subject: Subtracting Dates Time in DCL1 Message-ID: <s981b595.085@hmcpsugwia.hmc.psu.edu>1  
 Hello All,  I I must be dense.  In a Open VMS DCL COM file, all I would like to do it =tJ take two dates, subtract them, and then be able to compare the number of =J days.  For example:  Today's Date minus 07/20/2000, and if the result is =F older than 14 days ago, then I would like to take some action.  I've =I looked at f$cvtime options but have still not been able to figure it out.i   Any help appreciated,l   Scott    Scott Brooks Information Technology Hershey Medical Center   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Jul 2000 21:51:57 -0500* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)* Subject: Re: Subtracting Dates Time in DCL+ Message-ID: <WPdCRMyuOPtb@eisner.decus.org>S  X In article <s981b595.085@hmcpsugwia.hmc.psu.edu>, Scott Brooks <SBROOKS@psu.edu> writes: > Hello All, > K > I must be dense.  In a Open VMS DCL COM file, all I would like to do it = L > take two dates, subtract them, and then be able to compare the number of =L > days.  For example:  Today's Date minus 07/20/2000, and if the result is =H > older than 14 days ago, then I would like to take some action.  I've =K > looked at f$cvtime options but have still not been able to figure it out.e  = You can use the output from f$cvtime's default output format .= and compare them as strings.  For example, if you want to see = if something is older than 14 days then you can do something   like the following...   9 $! P1 is the input date.  See if it's older than 14 days.t $!+ $ if f$cvtime( p1) .lts. f$cvtime( "-14-") r $ then )* $    write sys$output "older than 14 days" $ endifn  = Not exactly what you were looking for, but it might be usablea= in other ways.  P1, in the example, would have to be enclosedv) in double quotes ("1-JUN", for instance).    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:02:20 -0500y/ From: "Dwight Brooks" <dbrooks@prosoftauto.com>e Subject: UCX 5 Telnet problemu: Message-ID: <8lshre$326s$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>  I I have a PC application that establishes a Telnet session with a VMS Host) and + runs a custom graphic terminal application.aJ The PC App (terminal emulator) and VMS App work fine under VMS 6.2 and UCX 4.x.G I've tried running the same apps under VMS 7.2-1 and UCX 5.0 and I have 	 problems.hH What appears to be happening is a terminating character I need (0xff) is being stripped out.(K All the terminal settings are the same as the UCX 4 (8-bit, passall, etc.).mK I also seem to be getting unexplained Ctrl-Xs (0x18) that I have't verifiedf	 that yet.e   Any suggestions?  The terminal settings are below.       $ sh term con_04  4 Terminal: _TNA59: Device_Type: ISC Owner: SPC_CONC04   Username: VXC_CONSOLEo  0 Remote Port Info: Host: 208.15.207.78 Port: 1198  - Input: 9600 LFfill: 0 Width: 132 Parity: None8   Output: 9600 CRfill: 0 Page: 24a   Terminal Characteristics:   % Interactive Echo Type_ahead No Escapes    Hostsync No TTsync Lowercase Tab   No Wrap Scope Remote Eightbite  ( No Broadcast No Readsync No Form Fulldup  ) No Modem No Local_echo No Autobaud Hangupt  * No Brdcstmbx No DMA No Altypeahd Set_speed  : No Commsync No Line Editing Overstrike editing No Fallback  0 No Dialup No Secure server No Disconnect Pasthru  C No Syspassword No SIXEL Graphics No Soft Characters No Printer Port   1 Numeric Keypad No ANSI_CRT No Regis No Block_mode   5 No Advanced_video No Edit_mode No DEC_CRT No DEC_CRT2e  1 No DEC_CRT3 No DEC_CRT4 No DEC_CRT5 No Ansi_Colore   VMS Style Input    $r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:51:33 -05001/ From: "Dwight Brooks" <dbrooks@prosoftauto.com>n! Subject: Re: UCX 5 Telnet problemm: Message-ID: <8lsknp$4li8$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>   Correction:tJ Using TCPTRACE on the VMS host, it appears the VMS App is sending the 0xff' but the PC App is not receiving them???0 -Dwighte   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:50:27 -0600t- From: Lorin Ricker <Lorin.Ricker@t-netix.com>s Subject: UCX 5 Telnet problemfI Message-ID: <418E68E524A8D311ACCE00508B78866A7680EA@exchange.t-netix.com>s  G We had a similar (probably not identical) problem with "out-of-the-box"oB TCP/IP v5.0 as installed with VMS 7.2, between host and our clientK application.  Problem was pretty basic: the Telnet startup protocol was notaJ honoring our command to turn off character echoing --- this was stuff thatK worked reliably in UCX v4.2 and prior.  We were part of the customer clamor K that got the "temporary" and interim v5.0A fix-up out the door from VMS/TCPyI Engr'g.  Contact Q and get that patch-kit... it might help, and certainly  won't hurt!    ------------------------------   Date: 28 Jul 2000 21:20:33 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)s- Subject: Re: URGENT: VMS keyboard on SUN etc!o0 Message-ID: <8lstf1$adn$2@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  [ In article <8lrcoe$aki$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:4D >I am faced with the prospect of having to work somewhere without a I >proper (LK401 etc) keyboard.  I will log in remotely to my VMS machine, XJ >but this is a pain without a proper keyboard.  I don't know what sort of D >support I can expect from the locals there, probably not much.  My F >original plans were to bring along a minimal VMS set up (VAXstation, J >graphics monitor, keyboard) and essentially use it as an X-terminal, but ' >for various reasons this won't happen.  >-F >Assume they just have SUN workstations.  What can I do?  Can I plug aC >VT320 into the serial port and then telnet to my machine, with thezC >keyboard working appropriately?  What sort of physical plug is the0 >serial port on a SUN?    L Don't know and cannot check as I am typing this from home being on vacation.  C >Is there any way I could plug a proper keyboard into the SUN, i.e. I >replace the SUN keyboard with mine, without using a terminal through thee
 >serial port?b  > No way. Sun keyboards are completely different than any other.  J >PLEASE, someone come out with a VMS laptop (perhaps based on the DS10 L) G >with the possibility of attaching an LK401 to it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!h  J Yes, somewhere in Singapore or so. I don't have the URL at hand. But thereL is a laptop based on a DS10. I don't know if it has an outlet for a keyboard! but I would be astonished if not.r   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +------------ http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/english/menue.html -----------+   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:13:55 +0000 (   )s3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>t- Subject: Re: URGENT: VMS keyboard on SUN etc!rJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10007282311160.11415-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  ] > In article <8lrcoe$aki$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:-  H > >Assume they just have SUN workstations.  What can I do?  Can I plug aE > >VT320 into the serial port and then telnet to my machine, with the>E > >keyboard working appropriately?  What sort of physical plug is then > >serial port on a SUN?    G Well, this won't -- of course -- help you plug a keyboard directly into2G this port... but the sun serial port is exactly the same as a macintoshn1 serial port, generally. (round, mini-din type...)c  H You can get adapters that would allow you to plug basically any terminalF into that port, and it would work.  I've done this with an adm-5 and a+ vt320 (and various other computers) myself.    Regards,   Chrisc  O ===============================================================================o@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmere Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.o% ------------------------------------- I "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes andsH weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 ?O -------------------------------------------------------------------------------w   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:24:38 GMT-2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>- Subject: Re: URGENT: VMS keyboard on SUN etc!j5 Message-ID: <WCog5.148$mO3.29412@typhoon.aracnet.com>-  D In comp.sys.dec Christoph Gartmann <gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de> wrote:] > In article <8lrcoe$aki$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes: K >>PLEASE, someone come out with a VMS laptop (perhaps based on the DS10 L) cH >>with the possibility of attaching an LK401 to it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  L > Yes, somewhere in Singapore or so. I don't have the URL at hand. But thereN > is a laptop based on a DS10. I don't know if it has an outlet for a keyboard# > but I would be astonished if not.d  K Isn't that machine more of a Lugable?  I remember looking at thier web pageqH a couple months ago.  I was thinking it was basically a small tower caseG with a LCD panel on the side of the case.  It looked like a pretty cool'E system!  I'm also pretty sure it used an external keyboard and mouse.e   			Zanei   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 03:25:41 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>- Subject: Re: URGENT: VMS keyboard on SUN etc!t5 Message-ID: <V8sg5.158$mO3.29624@typhoon.aracnet.com>u  4 Christopher Smith <chriss@mufasa.pubserv.com> wrote:I > Well, this won't -- of course -- help you plug a keyboard directly into I > this port... but the sun serial port is exactly the same as a macintoshp3 > serial port, generally. (round, mini-din type...),  F Huh?!?!  What vintage Sun?  I've got a Sparc 2 at home with DB25 StyleJ connectors, and I'm pretty sure that any of the newer systems I've used at work have the same."   			Zaner   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Jul 2000 04:14:49 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)e- Subject: Re: URGENT: VMS keyboard on SUN etc! ' Message-ID: <8ltlnp$j64$1@joe.rice.edu>$  4 Christoph Gartmann (gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de) wrote:L : Yes, somewhere in Singapore or so. I don't have the URL at hand. But thereN : is a laptop based on a DS10. I don't know if it has an outlet for a keyboard# : but I would be astonished if not.t : 
 : Regards, :    Christoph Gartmann   ( From an article posted by Terry Shannon:  .   http://www.novaglobal.com.sg/alphastorm.html%   AlphaSTORM Workstations and Serverse  + At 16kg (35lbs), it's more of a "portable":I  )   http://www.novaglobal.com.sg/a164p.htmle   AlphaSTORM A164P  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:42:39 -0400 6 From: "S Paquin" <stephane.paquin@nospam.ispatnet.com>C Subject: Re: VMS process manipulate data on SQLServer/NT box : How?y3 Message-ID: <zukg5.26958$227.511670@nnrp1.uunet.ca>a  L     I never said I would not buy another VMS box. But when the boss asks, heL will want to know the options available and it is my job to provide him withK all possible alternatives. One of them is popular now, SQLServer on NT(so I I am sure I will get that ugly question...). But I am almost sure the lower L cost of purchase of a PC box will be offset by the cost of a VMS ODBC clientK and rewriting of applications on the VMS side. I am looking for information. to confirm this hunch.       Stphane  5 David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message2' news:3980A337.EA546D2C@tsoft-inc.com...o > Stephane Paquin wrote: > >u< > >     Hi! I am looking for an answer to a simple question. > >0J > >     We are currently using an Oracle/VMS VAX to keep our process data. But1H > > the old 3100 VAX is nearing the end of its life and I am looking for9 > > alternatives. One of them is a NT box with SQLServer.  > >eJ > >     Now, my VMS processes on other nodes manipulate data in the OracleL > > server through SQL*net network connection very easily. If  I install theK > > NT/SQLServer box, how does a VMS process on another node can manipulate  theeB > > data on the server ? What are the tools available to do this ? > >t > >     Thank you in advance.g > >o > >     Stphane Paquins > >     Ispat Sidbec >eL > Why don't you just get a DS10 system?  One answer might be that the Oracle folkshG > would be looking on over-charging you for this capability.  While thea MicroVAXE > 3100 is yesterday's low end workgroup class system, and the DS10 is: today's low G > end workgroup class system, some software vendors think that they are  entitledI > to unlimited access to you bank account when you are just updating (notr > upgrading) to new hardware.1 >c > Dave >w > --6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596@ > DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com8 > T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:59:46 GMTe% From: dpm@myths.com (David P. Murphy)eE Subject: Re: WAY OFF TOPIC: help me with the seed of satan pseudo-O/S / Message-ID: <so3m12v4o0b185@news.supernews.com>e  . Lorin Ricker <Lorin.Ricker@t-netix.com> wrote: >>>>> "XLNT"  @ Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@sendspamhere.org> replied:K >>>> It'd be a very cold day in hell before I'd install anything from them!i   (I said)F >>> i am *amazed* that your response is this short and obscenity-free.K >>> at the risk of causing pain in the vaxcave, i would ask why you (Lorin)t4 >>> and others run this, let alone pay money for it?   (back to Lorin)94 >>Ouch!  That *did* hurt... Was it something I said?  * it wasn't anything personal, i assure you.  ; you do not know about that company's lawsuit against brian.-B it was an extremely twisted suit with an equally unfair judgement,= thus my expectancy that he would nuke on a carl lydick scale.p  ? [sigh]  please ignore anything he says here you find offensive;eC if you had gone through what he had, i dare say you'd be less civilo than he.  ( >>Of course, *your* mileage may vary...   E i have no mileage.  if it works for you and you can afford it, great.    (Brian once more)t= > There you go again...  Stop tainting c.o.v. with obscenity.e  = see?  even mentioning their product name is obscene to brian..  N >>As to "learning the system >the way it's meant to be used<"... Huh?  MeaningH >>I'm better off risking repetitive motion stress injury by pointing andI >>clicking my brains out?  Isn't that the way Windows is "supposed" to be  >>used?e  
 yes.  yes.  
 >>An anecdotei  ? you missed the part about /CLI= after the username during login " being a security hole at one time.  K >>But the "architecture" of VMS was (and remains) really agnostic about thed >>command line...   ! sub/agnostic about/separate from/t  : >>DCL persists today because it's proven itself versatile,L >>easy (enough) to use and master, and has evolved through VMS versions withN >>enough neat new features, plus built-in extensibility, to keep us (those who >>care) interested and engaged.y  = it's the 365x24 bit that most appeals to companies, methinks.   H >>And since NT benefited from that same VMS architect's design guidance,E >>it stands to reason that NT is just as agnostic about command line,   J Cutler might have intended that, but i'm very suspicious about it actually& working like that all the way through.  M >>"bolt-on" CLIs are just as valid (and useful) in the Windows environment asrN >>they ever were/are.  IMHO, and with due respect, the claim for "the way it's0 >>*supposed* to be used" is a specious argument.  G all well and good . . . until you have to do something on a Windows box!C that *doesn't* have your filter on it.  IMHO a person is better offaG learning how to operate a system they way you're "supposed" to, so thatMG you're ready for "clean" situations.  will you be staring helplessly at0H a XLNT-less machine, or will you know the "true" method of accomplishingI the task?  if the latter, then you have my admiration.  if you don't need G to worry about this and you never will have to worry about it, you havet my envy.   > rev 11:2-3  F     2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measureB       it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city7       shall they tread under foot forty and two months. A     3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shalltB       prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed       in sackcloth.e  C little fragments like this make me wonder if brian was slapped with H an injunction which prevents him from talking/posting about the lawsuit,E his former employer, or the result(s) of that suit.  from what i saw,gG the judge was not overly familiar with software from any point of view,O& and brian got whipsawed quite harshly.   ok dpm  -- .3 David P. Murphy          http://www.myths.com/~dpm/i- systems programmer        ftp://ftp.myths.com C                          mailto:dpm@myths.com            (personal)tC COGITO ERGO DISCLAMO     mailto:dmurphy@ac-tech.com          (work)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:27:33 -0700s1 From: David D Miller <ddmiller@west.raytheon.com>  Subject: Re: WTB: RSX BookF Message-ID: <OFF2ECC767.FD15B442-ON0725692A.00650449@rsc.raytheon.com>   Earl and other Former RSXers  I I should have mentioned that this is a purple-covered paperback publishedgF by Digital Press in the 80s and now out of print.  DP doesn't have anyJ socked away (I checked with my editor) and Amazon hasn't been able to help4 either.  New or used, I'll take anything I can find.   dave.o        C Is this the thin book provided with the DOC set or some other book? G I think I have most of  the RSX docset here somewhere.   Should I look?- --
 Earl Lakia   David D Miller wrote:    > Former RSXers. >yD > If you have the text,  _RSX -- A Guide for Users_  by John Pieper,G > gathering dust on your bookshelves, I'd like to make you an offer.  I  need > it for training. >t > dave.h > Current RSX guru   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.420 ************************          