1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 30 Jul 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 422       Contents:& Disk Configuration Jumpers for RZ40-EN* Re: Disk Configuration Jumpers for RZ40-EN Re: DSSI node name change 
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 Re: Such Crap  Re: UCX 5 Telnet problem Re: VMS CD create/copy: RE: VMS process manipulate data on SQLServer/NT box : How?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:08:33 GMT + From: "Barry Streets" <berrys2552@home.com> / Subject: Disk Configuration Jumpers for RZ40-EN > Message-ID: <lJHg5.66284$i5.1035194@news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com>  K I need help in installing a new RZ40-en drive in a 3100/90 Microvax. When I L got the drive it didn't come with any documentation to help set the jumpers.  
 Barry Streets  barrys2552@aol.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 20:08:30 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>3 Subject: Re: Disk Configuration Jumpers for RZ40-EN - Message-ID: <398371FE.321CBE52@tsoft-inc.com>    Barry Streets wrote: > M > I need help in installing a new RZ40-en drive in a 3100/90 Microvax. When I N > got the drive it didn't come with any documentation to help set the jumpers. >  > Barry Streets  > barrys2552@aol.com  P Do you know the manufacturer of the drive, ie; Seagate, Quantum, IBM?  If so, goK to their web site and look for info.  Don't know about all of them, but the I Seagate site is really great for finding such technical info on all their  drives, including drawings.   N This information is something that Compaq should have.  It's not like at least> one good example isn't available to see how it should be done.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:55:16 -0500 ) From: Igor Kuriashkin <ikuriash@uiuc.edu> " Subject: Re: DSSI node name change( Message-ID: <39832894.9204392D@uiuc.edu>  & --------------4B656F76B13A1963748F1C50, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit   P Thanks to everyone for their help.   For reference, there IS a way to change theN NODE NAME which is buried on the disk interface board.  Under the console task8 DUP/PARAMS, there is a SHOW and a SET command available.    (      >>>set host/dup/dssi/bus:0 0 params      PARAMS> show nodename       PARAMS> set nodename SYSTEM      PARAMS> write  Q The write up is buried in the VAX 4000/300 Installation Manual, Operation Section 7 Appendix B Programing Parameters for RF-Series ISAs.     & --------------4B656F76B13A1963748F1C50+ Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit   > <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html>G <font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1>Thanks to everyone for their G help.&nbsp;&nbsp; For reference, there IS a way to change the NODE NAME I which is buried on the disk interface board.&nbsp; Under the console task F DUP/PARAMS, there is a SHOW and a SET command available.</font></font>C <br><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1></font></font>&nbsp; T <blockquote><b><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1>>>>set host/dup/dssi/bus:0 0 params</font></font></b>Y <br><b><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1>PARAMS> show nodename</font></font></b> F <br><b><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1>PARAMS> set nodename SYSTEM</font></font></b>^ <br><b><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1>PARAMS> write</font></font></b></blockquote>9 <font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1></font></font> H <p><br><font face="Arial,Helvetica"><font size=-1>The write up is buriedQ in the VAX 4000/300 Installation Manual, Operation Section Appendix B Programing . Parameters for RF-Series ISAs.</font></font> <br>&nbsp;</html>   ( --------------4B656F76B13A1963748F1C50--   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 02:33:34 +0930 / From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>  Subject: Re: FastTrack/ Message-ID: <39830E65.B87B0E68@wasd.vsm.com.au>   G > 2. What other Web servers are available for VMS (other that Purveyor) A > that are supported by the vendor and access the SYSUAF file for  > usernames and passwords?  >   http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/internetnetworks.html  8 Lists such resources (and is now relatively complete ;^)# At least WASD and OSU provide this.   G I vaguely recall someone in this forum stating they have written an VMS L authentication module for the Apache BETA (although I am unsure whether this is publically available).   2 Another starting point might be Arne Vajhj's page  )   http://www.levitte.org/~ava/index.htmlx   A Personally, I think the WASD package is a *wonderful* product :^)   E +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ D  Mark Daniel            Opinions my own ... and on loan from others.E  mailto:Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au (Mark.Daniel@dsto.defence.gov.au) E +-------------------------------------------------------------------+    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 03:41:01 GMT * From: Paul Walker <walkerp1@earthlink.net>- Subject: Finding information on source fiches - Message-ID: <3983A52B.FBA5F431@earthlink.net>   G I've got VMS source listings on fiche for 5.0 (as well as 4.0, 3.0, and E 2.0), but it's somewhat difficult to navigate the 500+ fiches for the G info I need whenever I need to.  Does anyone know of an index or method F of searching that I could use to quickly find information (I know they: are in alphabetical order, but that only helps sometimes).  D And yes, I know about the sources on CD.  If I could afford 'em, I'd have 'em already :)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 15:27:10 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> ! Subject: Help Wanted: OpenVMS Ads - Message-ID: <39833E1E.9DF4895C@earthlink.net>    WANTED ------  E Anyone with television and/or multi-media production or tech. theatre H experience for production of privately-developed OpenVMS ad campaigns toA be used by partners and/or ISVs and also be presented to Compaq.    D This is strictly a volunteer effort; however, any money raised by orF during this effort will be divided evenly among the participants after0 production-related expenses have been disbursed.  F Co-ordination will be done pre-production, over the internet and/or byG teleconference. Actual production location has not yet been determined.   % Apply by e-mail: djesys@earthlink.net   B We cannot provide housing or relocation assistance. US- and non-USG residents must cover their own travel expenses, and all applicants must   cover their own living expenses.  E Anyone wishing to help fund this effort or otherwise donate financial 6 participation should also e-mail to the above address.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 20:30:17 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>% Subject: Re: Help Wanted: OpenVMS Ads - Message-ID: <39837719.B83ECB92@tsoft-inc.com>    "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > WANTED > ------ > G > Anyone with television and/or multi-media production or tech. theatre J > experience for production of privately-developed OpenVMS ad campaigns toB > be used by partners and/or ISVs and also be presented to Compaq. > F > This is strictly a volunteer effort; however, any money raised by orH > during this effort will be divided evenly among the participants after2 > production-related expenses have been disbursed. > H > Co-ordination will be done pre-production, over the internet and/or byI > teleconference. Actual production location has not yet been determined.  > ' > Apply by e-mail: djesys@earthlink.net  > D > We cannot provide housing or relocation assistance. US- and non-USI > residents must cover their own travel expenses, and all applicants must " > cover their own living expenses. > G > Anyone wishing to help fund this effort or otherwise donate financial 8 > participation should also e-mail to the above address.  J Quite interesting.  A good example of not waiting for someone else to 'DO'L something.  And a good example of the type of initiative that can help a VMS renaissance.  O I can picture it now, some nerd sticks his head in the door and says to the VMS M system manager "Hey, we're doing the weekly re-boot of all systems, how about O you?" and after raised eyebrows and a 'what are you talking about look' the VMS J system manager says "We never shut down a VMS system unless we're doing anP upgrade, and the cluster is never down!"  Then as the nerd leaves the VMS systemL manager is heard to mutter "well, maybe in a few billion years, when the sunM goes nova, but by then the cluster will have nodes in other systems, so maybe  not".    Aaahhh, maybe too subtle.   O Or, you could have a shot of some high-tech hackers playing havoc with internet P sites, and one complaining to another, "We can do anything we want to these poorM fools, but there are a few sites where none of our techniques has worked.  We P did get a login message on one calling itself VMS something or other."  To whichP another of the hackers replys "VMS, forget it, nobody hacks a VMS site. Can't be done!"  K I can dream them up all night, but until someone actually produces them the  dreams don't help.   A worthy initiative.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:38:06 -0500 ) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> 1 Subject: INFO: Samba - VMS  Mailing list Archives . Message-ID: <so6jj2o6o0b71@corp.supernews.com>  L For those interested in accessing the SAMBA-VMS mailing list archives, Peter> Samuelson has restored some of them to the following location:  ! http://samba.cadcamlab.org/lists/    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:02:42 GMT 0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com> Subject: Re: Left in The Dust & Message-ID: <FyH3AM.KAG@world.std.com>  B "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message' news:398315CB.83CBB6E4@earthlink.net... 5 > Well, Sun has launched their "The Dot" campaign ...  >   I Are you referring to the ad where a bunch of execs are sitting 'round the G boardroom table, a small dot appears, then explodes nuclearly leaving a  white screen and a voiceover.   8 THE DOT: Your competition will never know what hit them!   Good ad.   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Jul 2000 20:03:29 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: Left in The Dust , Message-ID: <8lvdah$27o@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  Y In article <FyH3AM.KAG@world.std.com>, "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com> writes:  > C >"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message ( >news:398315CB.83CBB6E4@earthlink.net...6 >> Well, Sun has launched their "The Dot" campaign ... >> > J >Are you referring to the ad where a bunch of execs are sitting 'round theH >boardroom table, a small dot appears, then explodes nuclearly leaving a >white screen and a voiceover. > 9 >THE DOT: Your competition will never know what hit them!  > 	 >Good ad.  >   * Yes, but is there any substance behind it?  E IBM seems to be doing by far the best job of any of the big computer  H companies of capitalizing on ecommerce. Their ads are everywhere, to theB point, and they stick with you. I especially like the one about anG emergency meeting concerning a down web site where the boss asks "Who's E responsible for making all this stuff work together?", and one of the > underlings whispers "You are".   Perfect targetting at PHMs.    D Moreover, it really does appear (not that I can verify from personalI experience) that when you go to IBM asking for an ecommerce solution that K they actually can deliver the whole shebang - on just about any scale, and  E for sure starting at very small scales. Go to Compaq for an ecommerce G solution and they'll try to sell you a computer and a compiler and then # maybe say "now go talk to Oracle."     Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 15:32:52 -0500 ) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> * Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.2 on DEC Multia/UDB. Message-ID: <so6foo2fo0b90@corp.supernews.com>  3 "Jason Corley" <corleyj@spawar.navy.military> wrote 4  in message news:8lhprb$178$1@newpoisson.nosc.mil...  @ > I found info that states that it is possible to run OpenVMS on: > a Multia (I have the 166 MHz alpha version).  Has anyone > done this?  * Yes, I am running OpenVMS 7.2 on a Multia.  = > Are there references that someone can point me to, pitfalls + > that I should be aware of, etc.?  Thanks.   I Look up the section on MULTIA in the OpenVMS FAQ that can be found from a ) link from http://www.openvms.compaq.com .   H This will refer you to some supplemental information, and to the OpenVMSL freeware files that you will need.  The directions at the freeware site must be followed.  I In addition to the DOS floppy that you will need, and the ODS-2 formatted E floppy that you will need, I recommend that you create a second ODS-2 K formatted floppy that contains the hobby license key command files, so that - you can license your machine fast and easily.   9 Be sure to read all the warnings about Multia heat-death.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 02:19:05 +0930 / From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> F Subject: Re: Sending a HTML content e-mail from VMS 5.5-2 using MX 4.2/ Message-ID: <39830B01.56929787@wasd.vsm.com.au>    Hi (again) Barry,   K now you have authorization sorted out :^) you might consider using yahMAIL, G if if it's not a prerequisite to originate the mail from the CLI.  With ; yahMAIL you could at least include it as a MIME attachment.      http://wasd.vsm.com.au/wasd/   Cheers.    "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:  I > I'm attempting to e-mail to people an HTML based message which contains 3 > among other things URL's to our internal servers.  > G > The general environment is VMS 5.5-2 with MX 4.1.  The receipents are H > using a GUI based reader, Netscape, and at this time, the messages are4 > appearing in complete text, the HTML tags and all. > F > Any recommendations?  I've seen in the FAQ using Pine for MIME based> > attachments.  Please don't tell me this is my only option... > 
 > Regards, >  > Barry   E +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ D  Mark Daniel            Opinions my own ... and on loan from others.E  mailto:Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au (Mark.Daniel@dsto.defence.gov.au) E +-------------------------------------------------------------------+    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Jul 2000 20:36:22 -0500/ From: jlauret@?.chem.sunysb.edu (Jerome LAURET)  Subject: Software update .... Message-ID: <39837886_2@dilbert.ic.sunysb.edu>    Software updated from  @  http://nucwww.chem.sunysb.edu/htbin/software_list.cgi?sort=date    **** Important note ****   A 	Since we are currently distributing some of our software for VMS E 	and Unix OS, we changed our packaging scheme. Any software available G 	for Unix and VMS will have a VMS_BIN.ZIP archive in the root directory D 	containing the VMS pre-compiled and linked objects and executables.B 	This ZIP archive is produced using ZIP 2.3 with /VMS qualifier inC 	order to preserve the VMS RMS attributes of the binaries. The mainNG 	package is NOT packed with this qualifier. Please, unpack VMS_BIN.ZIP  9 	if you do not intend to re-compile the package yourself.W     New or added  
  IOPERF : 6 	is a IO performance tester I have developed it in theH         spirit of being "minimal" (i.e. it uses functions implemented on<         about all operating system) but still does the job. * 	This is the first release of the program.C 	It has been tested on OpenVMS Alpha 6.2 and 7.2, VAX OpenVMS 6.2,  6 	Alpha Digital Unix 4.0d to 4.0f and RedHat Linux 6.1.   UpdatedE  *  DCC-V2_5T : (replaces version Q, R and S)A 	Main new features are the some new implementation in ZIF option,-< 	new pragma, and a bug correction related to abs() built-in  	on OpenVMS Alpha.5 	Please, see the DCCBoard for the list of changes andrC 	history. (26-May-2000). URL Link you WANT to visit (yes you do !!)h- 	http://nucwww.chem.sunysb.edu/info/dcc.htmlx0 	and5 	http://nucwww.chem.sunysb.edu/dccboard/wwwboard.htmld? 	We welcome your comments, complaints, suggestions, bug reports  	etc ... 	rG  CHTEXT	: ASCII file converter (default option is convert to lowercase)0D 	Version 1.60 does not contain any changes but add support for Unix @ 	makefile and manpages. (tested on Digital Unix and Linux only).  ,  TEXT2C : V01-110. text to C code generator.@ 	Added -f, -m and -w. -f outputs in File Handler style, -m will D 	make text2c to skip % character formatting, -w to format as-is i.e.@ 	text2c will not wrap lines to fir in 80 columns. When this last 	option is used, -l is ignored.aA 	I have also added a simple makefile for Unix support (tested on r 	Digital Unix and Linux only).    WGET-1_5_3F : oE 	Wget retrieves Internet file(s) or tree from the command line. Very a> 	handy when you already know the URL. The distributed package ? 	has an OpenVMS 6.2 Alpha executable linked with Multinet 4.1B.a? 	[.WGET-1_5_3F.SRC.VAX] directory also contains VAX objects and.
 	executables.     8  CHKSUM : Computes the file checksum of a file or files.; 	No changes. Repackaged so it can perform some tests under t	 	Unix OS.      Retiredi    (none)o    L ----------------------------------------------------------------------------F   Since I will be on vacation for the next 20 days, I will not be ableH to aswer Email (if you have any questions/comments) but will do so on myA return. You can also leave a message on our site's message board.9L ----------------------------------------------------------------------------       --  6                   Jerome LAURET S.U.N.Y. @ Stony Brook$        ,,,,,      Dept. of Chemistry+       ( o o )     Stony Brook NY 11794-3400.;   ---m---U---m---------------------------------------------E&   E-mail: jlauret@mail.chem.sunysb.edu<   URL   : http://nucwww.chem.sunysb.edu/jlauret/jlauret.html   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:05:32 GMTi0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com> Subject: Re: Such Crap& Message-ID: <FyH3FC.M0z@world.std.com>  B "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message' news:39830EA2.41C35C1B@earthlink.net...E > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:t
 > > [snip]E > > Then too, recall the technology sharing agreement between DEC andt
 Microsoft.I > > uSoft theoretically has access to all there is to know about OpenVMS.e (Of 7 > > course, they have the purloined Mica code as well!)  > >f2 > > Good thing they don't seem inclined to use it! >hJ > ...or are sufficiently clueless as to how to integrate such well writtenF > code into their (expletive deleted) as to render it useless to them. >c  D You may have a point. Dogpack, er Wolfpack, doesn't seem to be goingJ anyplace despite uSoft's access to DEC clustering (and GALAXY) technology.I Maybe uSoft is too busy sticking flight simulators into their spreadsheet 2 software to pay any attention to high-tech code...   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 22:18:02 -0400/2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Such Crap7 Message-ID: <200007292218_MC2-ADF4-97DF@compuserve.com>>  * Message text written by "Terry C. Shannon"E >You may have a point. Dogpack, er Wolfpack, doesn't seem to be goingsJ anyplace despite uSoft's access to DEC clustering (and GALAXY) technology= .FJ Maybe uSoft is too busy sticking flight simulators into their spreadsheet=  2 software to pay any attention to high-tech code... <.  D         I saw a Gartner report a few weeks ago claiming that Excel's? statistical functions were not sufficiently accurate for use byMJ professional statisticians or scientists.  The flunked some standard set = of tests. . . .  "         Maybe they're fixing that.  &         Or maybe they just don't care!   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 02:52:01 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> Subject: Re: Such Crap' Message-ID: <FyHpAp.FFB@spcuna.spc.edu>   2 Richard B. Gilbert <DRAGON@compuserve.com> writes:F >         I saw a Gartner report a few weeks ago claiming that Excel'sA > statistical functions were not sufficiently accurate for use by~M > professional statisticians or scientists.  The flunked some standard set ofc > tests. . . .  L   One good test is the "paranoia" package (http://www.netlib.org/paranoia/).M It is quite surprising how many systems/math packages get some of these testsd wrong.  N   On a DS10 with VMS V7.2-1 and Compaq C V6.2-008 using the default qualifiers I get:  # FLAW:  X = 7.64869138861850480e-309-6         is not equal to Z = 5.56268464626800350e-309 .* yet X - Z yields 0.00000000000000000e+00 .: The arithmetic diagnosed seems Satisfactory though flawed.  #   Compiling with /FLOAT=IEEE gives:'  4 No failures, defects nor flaws have been discovered.? Rounding appears to conform to the proposed IEEE standard P754. 1 The arithmetic diagnosed appears to be Excellent!o  6   On a PC running BSDI 4.1 Unix w/ GCC 2.91.66, I get:  4 No failures, defects nor flaws have been discovered.? Rounding appears to conform to the proposed IEEE standard P754,n= except for possibly Double Rounding during Gradual Underflow.I1 The arithmetic diagnosed appears to be Excellent!-  3   if I don't optimize, but if I specify -O2, I get:   / The number of  FAILUREs  encountered =       1. / The number of  SERIOUS DEFECTs  discovered = 1.3/ The number of  DEFECTs  discovered =         2.-/ The number of  FLAWs  discovered =           1.d  : The arithmetic diagnosed has unacceptable Serious Defects.  I   I've seen systems where this program will blow up completely, or reporto! a huge number of serious defects.i  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com 5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 20:00:13 -0400e* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: Such Crap- Message-ID: <3983700D.4B0D867E@tsoft-inc.com>a   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > Jerry Leslie wrote:e > >a/ > > David A Froble (davef@tsoft-inc.com) wrote:c > > :s > > : {snip}L > > : What I would ask for is a commitment to not sell VMS to CA, preferablyL > > : one that would actually cost Compaq money in addition to not receiving" > > : any payment for the product. > > :c
 > > : Dave > > :  > >lH > > In an earlier article about CA, Message-ID 1999May8.103029.1@eisner,8 > > Bob Kaplow had a good idea about a way to handle CA: > >nH > >  "In talking with a friend at Platinum, I jokingly suggested that weH > >   should have had a purchase clause in the contract: if the softwareJ > >   or company is sold, we have the option to get all of our money back.K > >   He said that they have MANY contracts with such wording in them. I'veDM > >   suggested that it be in all of our future software purchase contracts."  >  > I would add to that: > J > "If the product or company is ever sold or transferred such that anotherE > party achieves partial or complete control of the product, customervI > shall be entitled to a full and complete refund, with no witholding, of G > any and all funds paid to acquire the product and any and all updatesnI > and upgrades, and any all funds paid to company for support contracts."o > I > That should be a sufficiently bitter "poison pill" to keep the likes oft > CA away forever. > I > Companies truly commited to the best interest of their customers shouldnF > include in any contracts selling or transferring their product(s) toJ > another party clauses indicating that any increases in prices or chargesG > for the product or its support in excess of a specific percentage per J > unit of time would be cause for the nullification of the contract making > such sale or transfer. >  > Quite the utopian, aren't I?  N Ok, I have a question.  I was never involved, but I've seen posts that claimedM that CA was responsible for updates or whatever on the polycenter or whateveroN the product was called, and didn't live up to the responsibility.  Can someoneL in the know comment on this, ie; whether CA had any commitments, and whether they kept them?   N If they've basically reneged on past commitments, why would you expect them to worry about such poison pills?   Dave   -- h4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 20:02:08 -0400i* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: Such Crap- Message-ID: <39837080.DBC33232@tsoft-inc.com>e   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:r > F > You may have a point. Dogpack, er Wolfpack, doesn't seem to be goingL > anyplace despite uSoft's access to DEC clustering (and GALAXY) technology.K > Maybe uSoft is too busy sticking flight simulators into their spreadsheeth4 > software to pay any attention to high-tech code...  N So, you're under the delusion that MS would recognize high-tech code if it bit them in the ass?   Dave   -- F4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 05:17:48 GMT:4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Such Crap: Message-ID: <0UOg5.3872$NH2.18295@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   -- Terry C. Shannon Consultant and Publisher Shannon Knows Compaq7 "David A Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message ' news:39837080.DBC33232@tsoft-inc.com...- > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > >2H > > You may have a point. Dogpack, er Wolfpack, doesn't seem to be goingB > > anyplace despite uSoft's access to DEC clustering (and GALAXY) technology.dA > > Maybe uSoft is too busy sticking flight simulators into their3 spreadsheet66 > > software to pay any attention to high-tech code... >oL > So, you're under the delusion that MS would recognize high-tech code if it biti > them in the ass? >o  H In some instances, yes. Look at SQL Server. Like it or not, it is damnedJ fast, and allegedly because His Gateness hired a bunch of the top databaseJ developers and told 'em go off and write something that would produce good/ benchmarks, esp. vis-a-vis the hated Oracle....v   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:00:47 -0500./ From: "Dwight Brooks" <dbrooks@prosoftauto.com>c! Subject: Re: UCX 5 Telnet problemr: Message-ID: <8lvk9v$3868$1@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com>  I That sounds like what is happening...that it doesn't honor my client apps  request for 8-bit binary mode.  : How can you tell what patch version of UCX you're running?+ If I do a UCX SHO VERSION, it just says 5.0    Thanks,t Dwight  : "Lorin Ricker" <Lorin.Ricker@t-netix.com> wrote in messageC news:418E68E524A8D311ACCE00508B78866A7680EA@exchange.t-netix.com...wI > We had a similar (probably not identical) problem with "out-of-the-box"iD > TCP/IP v5.0 as installed with VMS 7.2, between host and our clientI > application.  Problem was pretty basic: the Telnet startup protocol wase nottL > honoring our command to turn off character echoing --- this was stuff thatF > worked reliably in UCX v4.2 and prior.  We were part of the customer clamorE > that got the "temporary" and interim v5.0A fix-up out the door fromw VMS/TCPYK > Engr'g.  Contact Q and get that patch-kit... it might help, and certainlyn
 > won't hurt!e >y   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Jul 2000 14:29:05 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.293778.killspam.0223 (Wayne Sewell)b Subject: Re: VMS CD create/copyd. Message-ID: <VtvV7s0r9FAm@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  _ In article <8lu2rm$1tc$1@goliat.eik.bme.hu>, FAZEKAS Mihaly <michael@goliat.eik.bme.hu> writes: ) > How can i create VMS readable CD in PC?e  M Create a vms format container file using LD (from the freeware cd), ftp it tosI the pc, and burn from that (if your software supports arbitrary container  files)  - > (or: how can i copy VMS bootable CD in PC?)l  N If your cd software is capable of block for block copy, this will work for vmsG as well as anything else.  In block mode, the actual file system is not. relevant.  t   --  O ===============================================================================aM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxn: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)lO =============================================================================== O Otter, on dining with Bluto:"It's perfectly safe if you keep your arms and legs. 			away from his mouth."   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:51:17 -0400a+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>aC Subject: RE: VMS process manipulate data on SQLServer/NT box : How?wJ Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D8052845D5@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   Paul,r  K Some additional information to keep in mind when comparing prices like thisa# ie. what are future pricing plans..o  
 Reference:0 http://www.informationweek.com/791/microsoft.htm   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant,
 Compaq Canada- Professional Services- Voice : 613-592-4660 FAX   : 819-772-7036 Email : kerry.main@compaq.comi       -----Original Message-----' From: Paul Sture [mailto:paul@sture.ch].% Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 4:22 AM. To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com C Subject: Re: VMS process manipulate data on SQLServer/NT box : How?     C In article <zukg5.26958$227.511670@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, S Paquin wrote:e8 > From: "S Paquin" <stephane.paquin@nospam.ispatnet.com> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmshE > Subject: Re: VMS process manipulate data on SQLServer/NT box : How?J' > Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:42:39 -0400t > K >     I never said I would not buy another VMS box. But when the boss asks,  heI > will want to know the options available and it is my job to provide hime withK > all possible alternatives. One of them is popular now, SQLServer on NT(sog IaK > am sure I will get that ugly question...). But I am almost sure the loweraG > cost of purchase of a PC box will be offset by the cost of a VMS ODBCl clientA > and rewriting of applications on the VMS side. I am looking for  information- > to confirm this hunch. >-H When faced with NT as competition, you need to do some serious research. Count J all the extras you need to bring the functionality you need that VMS gives you  out of the box.-  K Here's a rough example based on what I did for a small company 3 years ago -+ (and I'm possibly missing some stuff here).-  L For a complete NT solution I needed to price up the following, on top of the   base system:  D 1. S/w Support contracts - there might be several of these, all with
 different 
    suppliers.bK 2. Backup solution (it's extra for one which works). To save you some time,       try www.ultrabac.com.I 3. Resource Kit, and SDK (Software Development Kit) for documentation andy  ' utilities which IMHO should come anywaylJ 4. Development licenses - compilers whatever. You need the "Enterprise    5 Version" of most stuff to get the full functionality. K 5. Database licenses (remember that RMS comes for free, and would have donet    for my particular job).L 6. Winzip / mail solution / whatever other packages you need, at corporate /  4   multi-user rather than personal use license costs.  G Finally, remember this:  Whatever database / compiler / extra piece of tL software you have in the VMS world tends to have a support contract of, say,  L 20% (it varies) of the purchase price per year, including telephone support,  4 patches, and automatic upgrades to the next version.  L In the Windows world however, that $1000 package you bought will probably be  K upgraded within 6 months to a year by a major release. As a loyal customer cL they will typically offer only $100 to $200 discount on the new user price.   J Then, in the event of a malfunction, you might have the pain of having to L install the old version, followed by the new version, or at least having to L keep the old disks on hand so that you can "prove" it's a legitimate upgrade   version.  L Sometimes by shopping around you can find that new version cheaper by buying  ? it as a brand new user. So much for rewarding customer loyalty!t  K One last thing. After registering your purchase with the various companies lL involved, you will get bombarded by one hell of a postbag encouraging you to  H buy this that and the other add-on / upgrade / related product. You will also 0$ get pestered by the phone and email. >- ___ 
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