1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 30 Jul 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 423       Contents:# Crosswinds.net.  is the worst  1087 ? Re: Datatrieve (was Re : Interbase 6.0 released as Open Source) * Re: Disk Configuration Jumpers for RZ40-EN HyperSPI on Alpha dumping  HyperSPI on Alpha dumping % INFO: SAMBA-VMS mailing list problems  Re: Left in The Dust  Re: Microvax 3100-10 and 20  $99: Reposted:  problem starting decmotif and monitor problems.> Re: Reposted:  problem starting decmotif and monitor problems. SAMBA-VMS FAQ - A first cut.= Re: Sending a HTML content e-mail from VMS 5.5-2 using MX 4.2 
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 visita mi web : Re: VMS process manipulate data on SQLServer/NT box : How?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 07:35:25 GMT  From: soffdp@yahoo.com, Subject: Crosswinds.net.  is the worst  1087D Message-ID: <1VQg5.23779$c33.1378153@typhoon-news1.southeast.rr.com>   Hey everyone.  Public service announcement here.  LOL.  I wanted to spare you some heartache.  If you have a website at all DO NOT use Crosswinds.net.  I had a website there for a month and spent hours everyday working on it and have been getting a thousand hits a day and crosswinds.net just up and DELETED IT without even so much as a warning.  now all my hard work is gone.  I contacted them because I thought maybe they made a mistake and they informed me Oh well.  All because i had a song on my site.  I wa# imvpjzjwizxsikvcgvcuemlibrsyrhnyyzv    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:16:35 +0200   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>H Subject: Re: Datatrieve (was Re : Interbase 6.0 released as Open Source)+ Message-ID: <VA.00000097.00323e42@sture.ch>   C In article <3982488B.5535CB6C@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble wrote: ' > Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 22:59:23 -0400 , > From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms J > Subject: Re: Datatrieve (was Re : Interbase 6.0 released as Open Source) >  > Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > > < > > In article <009EDBB5.BDE375E0@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,Y > >        winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:  > > >  > > > U > > > I'm actually using Datatrieve very happily now, mostly in batch mode to produce T > > > reports and web pages for automatic distribution.  Runs well, easy to code in,Q > > > and on an AS2100 5/300 it isn't too bad to run for interactive use.  On the U > > > VAX 11/750 I learned it on, I spent a lot of time figuring out how to optimize.  > > > S > >       We have some applications here which use Datatrieve quite extensively and R > > are also quite happy with it ( on a 500MHz EV5 ). Getting rid of the CDD cruftS > > and going to text based dictionaries eliminated most of my complaints with DTR.  > > ; > >      If only they'd make it work with Oracle tables :-)  > M > Shameless plug for a friend.  XENTIS is a reporting and more product that I N > believe includes Oracle (watch me be wrong, again) support.  In addition, itQ > works with RMS, RDB, several other databases, and my own favorite, DAS.  Really : > nice product for those that need to do ad-hoc reporting. > N DAS? (Was ist den das? - sorry couldn't resist that pun). Please enlighten us.  Z To digress slightly, I renewed my Hobbyist licenses the other day, and was very impressed U at the swift response (it took a couple of days or so last year). Congratulations to   whoever is running Montagar! ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:26:40 GMT + From: "Barry Streets" <berrys2552@home.com> 3 Subject: Re: Disk Configuration Jumpers for RZ40-EN > Message-ID: <AUPg5.67248$i5.1050956@news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com>  L The drive is marked as a Compaq model MAE3091lp 9.1GB  68 pin SCSI drive. ItI have no other markings as to who actually manufactured it. I guess I will 1 hav eto wait until monday and call tech  support.   
 Barry Streets   7 "David A Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message ' news:398371FE.321CBE52@tsoft-inc.com...  > Barry Streets wrote: > > H > > I need help in installing a new RZ40-en drive in a 3100/90 Microvax. When IG > > got the drive it didn't come with any documentation to help set the  jumpers. > >  > > Barry Streets  > > barrys2552@aol.com > K > Do you know the manufacturer of the drive, ie; Seagate, Quantum, IBM?  If  so, goI > to their web site and look for info.  Don't know about all of them, but  the K > Seagate site is really great for finding such technical info on all their  > drives, including drawings.  > J > This information is something that Compaq should have.  It's not like at least @ > one good example isn't available to see how it should be done. >  > Dave >  > --6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596@ > DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com8 > T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:56:13 GMT  From: sam@ratex.dk" Subject: HyperSPI on Alpha dumping( Message-ID: <N.0730100.145551.46@honkey>  F On my Jensen, DEC2000/300 with VMS7.2 I get the following dump in the  HyperSPI logfile:   1  Improperly handled condition, image exit forced. 1     Signal arguments:   Number = 0000000000000006 1                         Name   = 0000000000000504 1                                  0008000000000000 1                                  0000000000080000 1                                  0000000000000002 1                                  0000000000030F20 1                                  000000000000001B        Register dump:J     R0  = 00000000001583DC  R1  = 0000000000040780  R2  = 00000000000100B0J     R3  = 0000000000040000  R4  = 0000000000020408  R5  = 0000000000000001J     R6  = 00000000000406E0  R7  = 000000000000000E  R8  = 00000000000204C0J     R9  = 000000007FFAC410  R10 = 000000007FFAD238  R11 = 000000007FFCE3E0J     R12 = 0000000000000000  R13 = 000000007B036330  R14 = 0000000000000000J     R15 = 000000007B035990  R16 = 00000000001583DC  R17 = FFFFFFFF8F7760BBJ     R18 = 00000000009EDDB0  R19 = 0000000000000000  R20 = 000000007BECC0E0J     R21 = 000000007AF979F8  R22 = 0000000000000001  R23 = 0000000000000001J     R24 = 0000000000000001  R25 = 009EDDB08F7760BB  R26 = FFFFFFFF8062DBA0J     R27 = FF61224F70889F45  R28 = FFFFFFFF80468950  R29 = 000000007AF979F0J     SP  = 000000007AF97960  PC  = 0000000000030F20  PS  = 200000000000001B    .  I first tried the @build_hyperspi$agent link L Then I installed DEC C V6.0 and did a @build_hyperspi$agent build with same  result  M I tried to compile/link with debug, and found that the program fails at this   point place in the source:          /**************************/      /* calculate elapsed time */      /**************************/  8    lib$sub_times (&BinTime, &PrevBinTime, &DiffBinTime);I    lib$cvtf_from_internal_time (&cvtf_mode, &DeltaSeconds, &DiffBinTime); ) ===>   PrevBinTime[0] = BinTime[0];  <===     PrevBinTime[1] = BinTime[1]; %    TotalDeltaSeconds += DeltaSeconds; 
    if (Debug) B       fprintf (stdout, "DeltaSeconds: %f TotalDeltaSeconds: %f\n",0                DeltaSeconds, TotalDeltaSeconds);   Can someone help with this ?   Thanks Sam    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:21:51 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>" Subject: HyperSPI on Alpha dumping7 Message-ID: <200007301021_MC2-ADF1-78F1@compuserve.com>   9         Well, maybe.  If you give us enough to work with.   H         The exception is a "High Performance Arithmetic Trap".  See HELP" /MESSAGE HPARITH for further info.  H         We can't debug the source code without having more of it.  At anE absolute minumum, we need the declarations for: BinTime, PrevBinTime, J DiffBinTime, DeltaSecondsm and cvtf_mode.  We also need the values of som= e C of these variables, especially cvtf_mode, BinTime, and PrevBinTime.   J         Can you put together an example program with just the declaration= s,J assignments of values and the functions calls you show?  One that we coul= d D compile, link, and run?  Does it fail the same way?  If so, post it.    - Message text written by INTERNET:sam@ratex.dk H >On my Jensen, DEC2000/300 with VMS7.2 I get the following dump in the =   HyperSPI logfile:   1  Improperly handled condition, image exit forced. 3     Signal arguments:   Number =3D 0000000000000006 3                         Name   =3D 0000000000000504 1                                  0008000000000000 1                                  0000000000080000 1                                  0000000000000002 1                                  0000000000030F20 1                                  000000000000001B        Register dump:J     R0  =3D 00000000001583DC  R1  =3D 0000000000040780  R2  =3D 000000000= 00100B0 J     R3  =3D 0000000000040000  R4  =3D 0000000000020408  R5  =3D 000000000= 0000001 J     R6  =3D 00000000000406E0  R7  =3D 000000000000000E  R8  =3D 000000000= 00204C0 J     R9  =3D 000000007FFAC410  R10 =3D 000000007FFAD238  R11 =3D 000000007= FFCE3E0 J     R12 =3D 0000000000000000  R13 =3D 000000007B036330  R14 =3D 000000000= 0000000 J     R15 =3D 000000007B035990  R16 =3D 00000000001583DC  R17 =3D FFFFFFFF8= F7760BB J     R18 =3D 00000000009EDDB0  R19 =3D 0000000000000000  R20 =3D 000000007= BECC0E0 J     R21 =3D 000000007AF979F8  R22 =3D 0000000000000001  R23 =3D 000000000= 0000001 J     R24 =3D 0000000000000001  R25 =3D 009EDDB08F7760BB  R26 =3D FFFFFFFF8= 062DBA0 J     R27 =3D FF61224F70889F45  R28 =3D FFFFFFFF80468950  R29 =3D 000000007= AF979F0 J     SP  =3D 000000007AF97960  PC  =3D 0000000000030F20  PS  =3D 200000000= 000001B     /  I first tried the @build_hyperspi$agent link =   J Then I installed DEC C V6.0 and did a @build_hyperspi$agent build with sa= me   result =  G I tried to compile/link with debug, and found that the program fails at  this =   point place in the source:          /**************************/      /* calculate elapsed time */      /**************************/  8    lib$sub_times (&BinTime, &PrevBinTime, &DiffBinTime);J    lib$cvtf_from_internal_time (&cvtf_mode, &DeltaSeconds, &DiffBinTime);=  7 =3D=3D=3D>   PrevBinTime[0] =3D BinTime[0];  <=3D=3D=3D !    PrevBinTime[1] =3D BinTime[1]; '    TotalDeltaSeconds +=3D DeltaSeconds; 
    if (Debug) B       fprintf (stdout, "DeltaSeconds: %f TotalDeltaSeconds: %f\n",0                DeltaSeconds, TotalDeltaSeconds);   Can someone help with this ?<    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:22:25 -0500 ) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> . Subject: INFO: SAMBA-VMS mailing list problems. Message-ID: <so8eee34o0b16@corp.supernews.com>  : The SAMBA mailing lists are all having problems right now.  A Until it is fixed, please cross post SAMBA VMS specific issues to I comp.os.vms otherwise known as info-vax@mvb.saic.company (Perform obvious  anti-spam fix)  K There appears to be a lot of overlap in the list members, and the SAMBA-VMS # mailing list is usually low volume.     L At this time, if you think you are subscribed to the SAMBA-VMS mailing list,I you may not be.  You also may not be getting delivery of messages even if ? the web interface to the SAMBA lists show you to be subscribed.   H Please do not send test messages to the SAMBA-VMS mailing list to verifyH your status.  If you did not receive a message in the last 24 hours, you will not, but others have.  H New subscriptions to the SAMBA mailing lists may or may not be processed
 successfully.   J The SAMBA team is aware of the problem and are in the process of rehosting) the mailing lists to a different machine.   I For the most current information on the mailing list problems please see:  http://lists.samba.org  
 Thank you,   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 02:18:35 -0400 ) From: "Joseph B. Gurman" <gurman@ari.net>  Subject: Re: Left in The Dust = Message-ID: <gurman-D3C64D.02183530072000@news.crosslink.net>   - In article <8lvdah$27o@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,  $ mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu wrote:   [snip]  F > Moreover, it really does appear (not that I can verify from personalK > experience) that when you go to IBM asking for an ecommerce solution that I > they actually can deliver the whole shebang - on just about any scale,   > and G > for sure starting at very small scales. Go to Compaq for an ecommerce I > solution and they'll try to sell you a computer and a compiler and then % > maybe say "now go talk to Oracle."    H     Well, this is an awfully small sample, but it's better than judging  by ads:   I REI runs its e-commerce off IBM.... and it sucks (broken links, frequent  I failures with the user getting pages of SQL code instead of confirmation  G of a purchase, up to 24 hours wait for e-mail conmfirmation, &c.) It's  = literally discouraged me from using their site for purchases.   H amazon (and all its little buddies) run theirs on.... Alphas (Tru64, as I I recall). I have probably made purchases at amazon 30 times in the past  E year and a half, with ne'er a problem. I suspect a lot of the reason  F I've spent so much there is the apparent perfection of the experience.  H     If I knew nothing else about the e-commerce vendors but that, and I H was the guy who got the "You are" answer, I'd be on the phone to Compaq.                     Joe Gurman   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:16:21 +0200   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>) Subject: Re: Microvax 3100-10 and 20  $99 + Message-ID: <VA.00000096.0032074e@sture.ch>   C In article <39824EF8.EAD5E978@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble wrote: ' > Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:26:48 -0400 , > From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms + > Subject: Re: Microvax 3100-10 and 20  $99  >  > Wayne Sewell wrote:  > > N > > Just think about this, however.  Island is pretty much the only vendor whoQ > > ignores the rules, since the other companies selling vms stuff are staffed by S > > professionals.  If you give them the impression that ads are tolerated, or even P > > welcomed, they might lose their inhibitions.  If *all* of these vendors dumpP > > crap into the newsgroup, you might find a dozen ads for each technical post.! > > Is that what you really want?  > > R > > That's why there are separate newsgroups explicitly for buying and selling.  IN > > think it's been proposed before, but a vmsnet newsgroup for advertisementsB > > would be a good thing.  Hell, give Island their own newsgroup,R > > vmsnet.island.ads.and.auctions.and.other.shit.  Unfortunately, they would post! > > both there *and* comp.os.vms.  > R > Ok, in all fairness, I've never seen any 'rules' about newsgroups.  If there areL > such, and they're being violated, that's wrong.  Trying to read everythingN > that's already posted to comp.os.vms is almost a full time job now, and if aE > bunch of advertisements appeared, it'd be worse, no argument there.  > 
 My two cents:   R I first climbed onto the internet just over 5 years ago, although mainly stuck to R Compuserve then, (mainly for the technical content rather than put up with cruft).  Q In those days it was considered extremely bad form to advertise, and folks would  & hit very hard at anyone seen to do so.  J It has now changed, and our mailboxes are full of all sorts of rubbish. I S personally do not mind David's postings, and have spoken to him on the phone (yes,  T even at transatlantic prices). I found him a pleasant chap to deal with. No I don't L like it when he puts PC stuff here, but when he is offering next to nothing ( hobbyist systems, then good luck to him.  J > Where would one find such rules?  I'm mildly interested, even though I'm: > normally of the mind that 'rules are made to be broken'. > O I've seen them somewhere in the past, but sorry, don't have a url handy. Maybe   somewhere on Compuserve?  R > AS for the Island ads, I'd view normal ads and what are basically give-aways forO > hobby systems differently.  Regardless of any rules, I'd feel that the latter P > should be Ok.  Many reasons.  One, a potential hobbyist probably isn't looking& > at the 'commercial' sites/lists/???. > O > In any case, I've usually been more irritated by the numerous complaints thatsR > many times follow and vastly outnumber advertisements.  The best method for suchF > is totally ignoring them, thus rendering them useless to the poster. > 
 Agree 100%  N > Hey, the guy has asked, give him some help on how to set up an advertisementP > group for VMS stuff, and then advertise that once a week or so in comp.os.vms, > and everybody's happy. >  ___f
 Paul Sture SwitzerlandA   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Jul 2000 14:32:51 GMT! From: gigglegs@aol.com (Gigglegs)aC Subject: Reposted:  problem starting decmotif and monitor problems.e: Message-ID: <20000730103251.24435.00001054@ng-fb1.aol.com>   Hi All,-K I am currently using an alphastation 200 4/233 64MB 4G(running openvms 7.2)uH with a compaq 151FS model IBM compatible monitor. From time to time I am getting this error on monitor:  , ERROR: scancode Oxfa not supported on pcxal   L and the color of the screen changes and system stops responding and I end upN booting the system..  Am I using the right kind of monitor or what kind should I be using?s  F  I am using my computer as a standalone (nonworkstation).  I issue the
 following  command and I get this:o   $@SYS$MANAGER:DECW$STARTUP>  %RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 00000091 $@SYS$TEST:DECW$IVPh _Display [_WSA1:]:+ %DECW-I-IVP, The IVP will display on _WSA1:m> %DECW-I-IVP, Running DECW$EXAMPLES:ICO.EXE for up to a minute. .......v .....r ......@ %DECW-S-IVP, The UIL Motif compiler test completed successfully. ......# %DECW-S-IVP, The IVP has completed.>    K What am I doing wrong with starting the DECwindows??  What is going on? Cang anyone help me?7   Thanks in advance. gigglegs@aol.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:01:43 -040001 From: "David R. Beatty" <drbeatty@mindspring.com>sG Subject: Re: Reposted:  problem starting decmotif and monitor problems.R2 Message-ID: <8m1fpa$213$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>  K What kind of graphics card, what version of Decwindows, and are you runningO6 the CDE (new desktop)?  Could be one of the following:  F     1.    If you have not installed it already, you might need Open3D,	 dependinggB             on your graphics card.  This is the most likely issue.  K     2.    If you are running DecWindows V1.2-5 and CDE, you need the update,             patch.  , Gigglegs <gigglegs@aol.com> wrote in message4 news:20000730103251.24435.00001054@ng-fb1.aol.com...	 > Hi All, H > I am currently using an alphastation 200 4/233 64MB 4G(running openvms 7.2)J > with a compaq 151FS model IBM compatible monitor. From time to time I am  > getting this error on monitor: >n- > ERROR: scancode Oxfa not supported on pcxala > K > and the color of the screen changes and system stops responding and I endn upI > booting the system..  Am I using the right kind of monitor or what kindn should
 > I be using?n >nH >  I am using my computer as a standalone (nonworkstation).  I issue the > followingI > command and I get this:h >S > $@SYS$MANAGER:DECW$STARTUP@ >  %RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 00000091 > $@SYS$TEST:DECW$IVPo > _Display [_WSA1:]:- > %DECW-I-IVP, The IVP will display on _WSA1: @ > %DECW-I-IVP, Running DECW$EXAMPLES:ICO.EXE for up to a minute.	 > .......h > .....a > ......B > %DECW-S-IVP, The UIL Motif compiler test completed successfully. > ......% > %DECW-S-IVP, The IVP has completed.r >i >MI > What am I doing wrong with starting the DECwindows??  What is going on?  Cane > anyone help me?0 >6 > Thanks in advance. > gigglegs@aol.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:12:41 -0500-) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>a% Subject: SAMBA-VMS FAQ - A first cut.C. Message-ID: <so8jorq6o0b25@corp.supernews.com>  ; The SAMBA-VMS Frequently Asked Questions List - 30-Jul-2000I   Indexw       Introduction  ,     General questions about SAMBA on OpenVMS       Printing Issuesl       Miscellaneouso       Future directionss   Changes since last edition  2     None, this is the first edition I am aware of.  C This is the Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) posting for SAMBA-VMS.o  A It contains answers to frequently asked questions about SAMBA foru> OpenVMS on the SAMBA-VMS mailing list, and a few other places.  @ Other internet FAQ's are generally available in these locations:  0         comp.answers and news.answers newsgroups)         ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/...   0 This FAQ is archived in the following locations:  > Please do NOT send technical questions to the Frequently Asked@ Questions (FAQ) editor - well, please do not email any questionsC that do not also include the answer(s). Please post these questionsl@ to the appropriate SAMBA-VMS mailing list instead and see INTRO5? before posting. To make suggestions for changes or additions to D this FAQ list, please send mail to the FAQ editor at wb8tyw@qsl.net.  > Again, Please do not assume FAQ editor is not in a position to answer general questions.-   Some general notes:   @ World-Wide Web Universal Resource Locator (URL) notation is used for FTP addresses.  6 Many people have contributed to this list, directly or6 indirectly. Many people have contributed to this list,0 directly or indirectly. In some cases, an answer; has been adapted from one or more postings on the SAMBA-VMS0; mailing list or comp.os.vms. Our thanks to all of those who 8 post answers. The name (or names) at the end of an entry8 indicate that the information was taken from postings by> those individuals; the text may have been edited for this FAQ.? These citations are only given to acknowledge the contribution.0  > This contents of this FAQ are not to be considered an official; position of any companies whose employees have contributed.0  @ These answers are provided in the hope that they will be of use,( but there are no guarantees of accuracy.  = Please also note that the current compiler of this FAQ is not00 using any of the official versions of SAMBA-VMS.  1 All trademarks mentioned belong to their holders.0; DECUS, Pathworks, VMS and OpenVMS are trademarks of Compaq. = Microsoft Windows, and Microsoft Windows NT are trademarks of0
 Microsoft.( UNIX is a trademark of "The Open Group".   INTRO1.    What is SAMBA?  ?     SAMBA is an open source suite of programs for communicatingF;     over the Microsoft NETBIOS protocols on TCP/IP.  It was2?     developed originally by Andrew Tridgell who is still activeA!     in guiding SAMBA's evolution.   >     For more information about SAMBA, see HTTP://WWW.SAMBA.ORG  @     Licensing for SAMBA is covered under the GNU Public License.  ,     The SAMBA-VMS home page is currently at:8     http://www.ifn.ing.tu-bs.de/ifn/sonst/samba-vms.html  <     It is maintained by Eckart Meyer, who is responsible for'     the majority of the SAMBA-VMS port.*  :     With out the hard work of Eckart Meyer, there probably"     would not be a SAMBA-VMS port.   INTRO2.r   What is VMS or OpenVMS?a  ?     OpenVMS is an Computer Operating System sold by Compaq that A     is considered by many to be a superior operating environment.c  A     The OpenVMS operating system has a reputation for reliabilitylB     and security.  System uptimes can be measured in years.  It is3     also well known as an cracker resistant system.   :     A no-charge Hobby license for OpenVMS is available for     non-commercial home use.  F     For more information on OpenVMS, see http://www.openvms.compaq.com  B     For more information on the Free Hobby license for OpenVMS see%     http://www.montagar.com/Hobbyist/i   INTRO3.   0 What is the scope of the SAMBA-VMS mailing list?  <     The samba-vms mailing list is the primary news group for&     OpenVMS specific issues for SAMBA.   INTRO4.o  8 What other resources have SAMBA-VMS related information?  9     SAMBA for OpenVMS questions may show up in any of the_6     OpenVMS forums, Usually the comp.os.vms newsgroup.  7     DECUSERVE is a useful moderated forum that covers a 7     variety of computer related systems including SAMBA 4     for VMS.  It is run by volunteers from the DECUS     organization.h  1     For information about DECUS and DECUSERVE seeD     http://www.decus.org   INTRO5.t  1 How do I subscribe to the SAMBA-VMS mailing list?d  ?     Before answering that, you should be aware of guidelines on      posting.  >     1. Please choose a subject title that accurately describes        your posting.  >     2. Please list the version of OpenVMS, SAMBA, and the name<        and version of the TCP/IP product that you are using./        Also mention any ECO or patches applied.0  ?     3. Mailing lists are generally plain text only.  No HTML or A        Rich Text formats please.  Also please turn off VCF cards. >        Does it have to be mentioned that graphics as signature        files are also bad?  =     4. Please try to avoid attachments.  If you must place an >        attachment, if it can be read using a text editor, make=        sure that the name of the extension is .TXT to preventE)        problems with some virus scanners.   A     Also before posting, it is generally a good practice to checkE>     the archives of the mailing list and the FAQ to see if the'     question has been answered already.0  <     [The following is likely to change in the future, as the;      SAMBA team at the time of this writing is reorganizing       it's mailing lists]  >     See INTRO6 for information about accessing the archives of     the SAMBA-VMS mailing list.3  9     To subscribe to a list e-mail listproc@samba.org withF6     "subscribe listname Your Full Name" in the messageA     body. For additional information see http://lists.samba.org/.9   INTRO6.3  ; How do I access the archives of the SAMBA-VMS mailing list?t  =     That is a good question.  Right now the old SAMBA mailingV;     lists are offline at the old server.  The SAMBA team isu&     presently setting up a new server.  9     The old method involved going to http://www.samba.orgc<     then selecting a mirror site.  After which selecting the<     link to "archives" would give you a page where you could%     access the mailing list archives.i  >     For now, some of the mailing list archives can be found at&     http://samba.cadcamlabs.org/lists/   INTRO7.n  ? What versions of OpenVMS and TCPIP programs will SAMBA-VMS work[ with?   <     OpenVMS versions from 5.5-2 and later are known to work.8     For VMS versions before 5.5-2 some versions of SAMBA:     require the AACRTL060 kit, which is a component of the     DEC C compiler.?  9     SAMBA-VMS will work with any of the commercial TCP-IP0(     programs that support UCX emulation.  9     The Compaq TCP/IP products are known as either UCX orb7     TCPIP Services for OpenVMS.  For non-commercial useh:     they are available under the OpenVMS hobbyist program.  9     The Process Software company has MultiNet and TCPwares2     products available for commercial and are also1     available under the OpenVMS hobbyist program.r  8     There is an experimental port of SAMBA-VMS using the2     OpenCMU-IP TCP/IP program that can be found at8     ftp://ftp.qsl.net/pub/wb8tyw/ .  It is not supported5     and there are no plans to enhance it further.  Ifo3     you intend on using it, read the notes suppliedn     carefully.   SAMBA1.s  + I get an error telling me I have no chroot.d       You do not have one :-)   ?     This is simply an informational warning and can be ignored.a<     In a future build for OpenVMS chroot() can be aliased to=     invoke chdir() for OpenVMS, so that this message will noto     appear.s  5     Note that "The Single Unix Standard" published bye@     "The Open Group" lists the chroot() function as depreciated.   SAMBA2.o  ' I appear to have a trapdoor gid system.n  F     OpenVMS does not support setgid().  There is no way to support it.  ?     This is simply an informational warning and can be ignored.u  ;     In a future build for OpenVMS, the setgid() call can ben>     aliased to a local copy that just remembers the group that;     was attempted to be set, and the getgid() call alias tod<     return that group.  This will eliminate that diagnostic.   SAMBA3.s  9 Why are some files with double underscores not displayed?i  A     The issue with the double underscore has to do with how Samba ?     VMS and Pathworks encode filespecs with characters that areh9     not legal OpenVMS characters on an ODS-2 file system.t  ;     Characters that were not legal were encoded with a "__"u7     followed by the Hexadecimal code for the character.r  @     As part of this, under older versions of Pathworks, when youA     saved a file from a LANMAN client that had two underscores in >     it's name, the file on OpenVMS would end up with "_5F_" in     it's place.a  A     [This treatment of double underscores does not seem to be then(      case with Pathworks 6.0 and later.]  A     The problem with displaying them is that when SAMBA-VMS looksn@     up the file and converts/decodes it to a UNIX style name, if@     the double underscore is not followed by a valid pair of hex!     digits, it is passed through.i  B     Now what SAMBA-VMS does is read in the filename and convert it?     to UNIX so that the UNIX based code can manipulate the fileo     specification.  A     Later SAMBA tests the filename with a stat() command multiple @     times after that.  For VMS that requires converting it back.>     When the conversion routines sees the double underscore itB     converts it to "_5F_".  In the case where the original file is<     "__" this results in a file not found error.  SAMBA then     ignores the file..  @     With ODS-2 naming limitations, when file names are converted@     by adding characters, it is not possible that the conversion     will always work both ways.<  :     Another filename that is invisible to SAMBA is the VMS7     specification ".;".  It is also invisible to SAMBA.e   SAMBA4.    What is ODS-1, ODS2, and ODS-5?I  C     ODS-1 is the name of the file system that is used on the RSX-11t:     family of operating systems.  OpenVMS/VAX can use thisA     filesystem.  IIRC: It is limited to one level of directories,d@     and filenames are limited to 8 or 9 characters followed by a$     period and another 3 characters.  E     ODS-2 is the name that VMS gives to the filesystem that is native D     to it.  Under it filenames are limited to 39 characters followedE     by a period, and then another 39 characters.  For versions of VMSeB     prior to 7.2 there can be 8 levels of a primary directory.  InE     addition 7 levels of rooted directories can also be specified, ort#     concealed under a logical name.i  A     For OpenVMS version 7.2 and later, there can be 255 levels of      directories.  C     A complete ODS-2 file specification can not be greater than 255      characters.r  ;     ODS-3 and ODS-4 are CD-ROM filesystems according to theh<     "Ask The Wizard" link at http://www.openvms.compaq.com .  C     ODS-5 is new filesystem available for OpenVMS ALPHA version 7.2uA     and later.  It allows longer file specifications and a largere     character set.  C     [I have not tested any version of SAMBA on an ODS-5 filesystem,c*      so I do not know how it will behave.]   SAMBA5.d   Did SAMBA-VMS crash my system?  E     Probably not.  SAMBA runs mostly in user mode code, and user modeo&     code can not cause a system crash.  E     There is one portion of SAMBA that currently runs in KERNEL mode,sA     and that is when the computer changes the effective username.nD     While an error in that section of code can cause a crash, it has7     been in use at quite a few sites for quite a while.f   SAMBA6.t  4 SAMBA stopped working after an OpenVMS upgrade, why?  >     The component of SAMBA that allows the SMBD to change it's?     username while it is running needs to be linked against then@     system image.  See the instructions for setting up SAMBA and     re-link.   SAMBA7.o  9 Why can clients not connect to my SAMBA server?  (Take 1)o  =     Samba-VMS server currently requires clients to be able toi&     connect with plain-text passwords.  8     By default this is disabled for most LANMAN clients.  7     Registry scripts to enable plain text passwords arem<     available as part of the main SAMBA distribution if they2     are not present in the SAMBA-VMS distribution.   SAMBA8.f  & What about Windows 2000 and SAMBA-VMS?  8     There are some fixes in the SAMBA 2.0.7 release that3     addresses problems with Windows 2000 and SAMBA.%   SAMBA9.t  # What can be done to speed SAMBA up?        Some general suggestions:   >     You can try the DCL command SET RMS_DEFAULT/BUFFER_COUNT=N<     where N can be from 1 to 255.  This can also be set with,     a SYSGEN parameter in MODPARAMS.DAT. ex:  7     MIN_RMS_DFMBFSDK = 2 ! Sequential Disk file buffers(  3     Many tuning problems will show up as CPU bound.i  8     Do on all your disks, $SHOW DEVICE/FILES/NOSYS Dnnn:?     Every time that you find the same executable file more thanh>     once, that file should be installed as a shared image with=     the header resident.  This will get you a lot of physicalt=     and virtual memory back.  You may need to increase globald2     pages and global sections to accommodate this.  =     If you even suspect that an executable may be run in moreI:     than one instance, it should be installed.  The second<     activation of most executables that are not installed is     costly.e  >     This will also speed up the launch of your SMBD processes.  9     Avoid all unneeded paging.  For this examine the peak :     virtual memory used by each process.  Adjust the quota3     for working set extent to match the value seen.n  =     Over allocating WSEXTENT will not hurt you unless you are !     very severely memory limited.c  @     The SYSGEN parameter WSMAX may need to be increased for your:     system.  Set it as high as AUTOGEN will allow with out4     complaining about hurting working set expansion.  8     This may cause more processes to swap out when idle.;     If this impacts performance negatively, then you likelym;     need more memory for your workload.  Of course the stepR9     above of liberally installing images will help there.   5     Your NPAGEDYN pool should be set so that there ist9     300,000 blocks free with out any pool expansion while 9     you are running under your full normal load.  This iso;     contrary to what AUTOGEN will calculate, but is part ofo9     the documentation for the DECWindows-Motif and TCP/IPi
     products.i  ;     If you are running OpenVMS 5.5-2 and earlier, make sured3     that you have 1/3 free of the IRP, LRP, and SRP *     allocations, with out pool expansions.   SAMBA10.   Running TESTPARM gives:09 WARNING: lock directory /samba_root/var/locks should haveg% permissions 0755 for browsing to worki  =     Yes TESTPARM does this.  I have not found out exactly whyt/     yet, but you can safely ignore the message.o   SAMBA11.  7 SMBD takes a long time to transfer a file, and high CPUn utilization is observed.  ;     One cause of this has been traced to a bug in the DEC Ch7     ftruncate() function that has been confirmed by thek:     Compaq Customer Support Center.  At this time there is     no known fix.n  6     The best workaround is to recompile SAMBA with out"     HAVE_FTRUNCATE_EXTEND defined.  8     I have only seen this problem personally on ALPHA so0     I do not know if it affects the VAX version.   SAMBA12.  % Samba is not starting after a reboot?S  9     You must make sure that SAMBA_STARTUP.COM is executeda(     the TCPIP$STARTUP.COM or equivalent.  5     Also for TCPIP or (Substitute UCX if needed) makee9     sure that the last statement in the SAMBA_STARTUP.COM      has the line:   "         $TCPIP ENABLE SERVICE SMBD  7     It appears to be needed because some of the logicalh8     names used in the service definition are not defined)     at the time the TCPIP$STARTUP is run.2"     [from a post by Jeff Campbell]  7     It appears that the INSTALL.COM routine supplied by 5     SAMBA 2.0.3 is needed to be run to set up logicalA6     names that are needed.  It may be needed to be run(     before the TCPIP program is started."     [From a post by Zane H. Healy]   SAMBA13.  ' Any issues with SAMBA in a VMS Cluster?u  ;     It has been reported that SAMBA works fine in a clusteri8     when using common files.  Load sharing is a function6     of using TCPIP aliases and a DNS that supports it.      [From a post by Gus Bingham]  
 PRINTING1.    Printing is not working? (take1)  ?     Printing does need write access to a spool area.  Make surea=     that the logical name TMP is defined at the process levele0     to be SAMBA_ROOT:[VAR], and not SYS$SCRATCH.  ?     Printing takes place in a setuid() section, and the logicaloB     names in the GROUP and JOB tables are not visible to the code."     So SYS$SCRATCH is not defined.  
 PRINTING2.  6 SMBRUN ERROR: Can't find smbrun. Installation problem?@     "Running the command '<print command from smb.conf>' gave 1"  =     The actual string value for SMBRUN that it is looking fors=     can be specified in a header file, and then superceded inm
     smb.conf.e  B     The 2.0.3 version of SAMBA uses the string SMBRUN as a default-     if nothing is specified in smb.conf file.-  <     It is also noted that the 2.0.3 version of SAMBA-VMS may+     require the following line in smb.conf:e  '     smbrun = /samba_root/bin/smbrun.coml  @     You do not want to put a path in the smb.conf file, you want     specify a single name.  B     That name must exist both as a logical name that points to theD     command file and as a DCL symbol that defines a foreign command.  ?     The default installation of SAMBA-VMS should configure bothy     of these for you.o  @     If the logical name is missing, the error message above willB     probably be generated.  If the symbol is missing, the printingB     will not work, and other messages may or may not be generated.  
 PRINTING3.  > Why does the job number displayed from SAMBA not match the one displayed by OpenVMS?r  ?     The job number for a print job in OpenVMS is an UNSIGNED 32 A     BIT LONGWORD, and can be any valid value for it.  It does notp8     necessarily always increment in a predictable order.     (Just usually does).  A     The LANMAN protocol only allows 16 bits of this job number ton=     be sent, and the UNIX SAMBA code uses the upper 8 bits toc@     contain an SMBD Server instance specific number that maps toB     the print queue.  It is not possible to 100% predict what that     number is.  B     This leaves only 8 bits, for the print job number.  The numberB     returned from OpenVMS or passed to the command files for beingD     processed is only the lower 8 bits, if your VMS print job number     is greater than 255.  A     It also means that the job number viewed from a LANMAN clientr'     will not match the local VMS value.h  @     In a version beyond 2.0.7, the main samba team is re-writingD     this code, and I have not seen how this will affect OpenVMS yet.       MISC1.  A Can I run a VMS program by double clicking on it from a Microsofte Windows shell?       Take a look at8     http://www.danbbs.dk/~degnbol/software/rse-0.21.zip.  ;     It is a Microsoft Windows shell extension, starting X11S:     programs on SAMBA shares when they are double-clicked.5     It does not use magic scripts, but rsh or rlogin.p     [Gunnar]  <     [I have no idea if this will work with SAMBA-VMS - John]       FUTURE1.  - Is there a SWAT implementation for SAMBA-VMS?   B     At this time no.  I (John Malmberg) am working on a 2.0.6 port>     that the SWAT routine compiles and links cleanly.  However>     testing and debugging it is lower on my priority list than/     getting the SMBD serving working correctly.f       FUTURE2.  5 Files get mangled by NOTEPAD and some other programs.t  B     This seems to be caused by problems in the ftruncate() or lackA     there of in OpenVMS.  I am looking at various potential fixes (     for this and other related problems.       FUTURE3.  ; Directories with over 10,000 files are not fully displayed.   B     This seems to be a limitation in SAMBA-VMS where it can not do@     the required processing in time.  It may be a while for this     to be addressed.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 01:21:36 +0930r/ From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>nF Subject: Re: Sending a HTML content e-mail from VMS 5.5-2 using MX 4.2/ Message-ID: <39844F08.72D2D7BD@wasd.vsm.com.au>l  I There was discussion about methods used to do this in the absence of some 4 of the more recent VMS mail tools earlier this year.   "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:  I > I'm attempting to e-mail to people an HTML based message which containsh3 > among other things URL's to our internal servers.  > G > The general environment is VMS 5.5-2 with MX 4.1.  The receipents areiH > using a GUI based reader, Netscape, and at this time, the messages are4 > appearing in complete text, the HTML tags and all. >DF > Any recommendations?  I've seen in the FAQ using Pine for MIME based> > attachments.  Please don't tell me this is my only option...  A This is a URL associated with a deja search I did looking for therJ information below it.  I have successfully used this kludge for applicable platforms in yahMAIL.i  P http://x64.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=584904717&CONTEXT=964946867.909770770&hitnum=10  4 ----------------------------------------------------G Yippe, working! The trick is to embed the headers in the subject of theiI VMSMAIL, then they get put into the message above the dreaded blank line.iH This is a command file that I got from Dec Tech support, and have hacked around a little.  G  There's no need to use tt:, a file will do the job just as well. Simonc    $ cr[0,8] = 13i  $ lf[0,8] = 10oI  $ subject = "This is a test (1)." + cr + lf + "Mime-Version: 1.0" + cr +  lf + -E            "Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=""mail_boundary""I  $ write sys$output subjectA@  $ mail/subject="''subject'" tt: "SMTP%""simon.maufe@smtp-vms"""  --mail_boundary  Content-Type: text/html;   '  hello world one <bold>two</bold> three     --mail_boundary  Content-Type: text/plain;          name="barry.txt"h!  Content-Disposition: attachment;c          filename="barry.htm"h    first line second part   this is a test file
  last line    --mail_boundary--  $I  $ subject = "This is a test (2)." + cr + lf + "Mime-Version: 1.0" + cr +v lf -    + "Content-Type: text/html"  $ write sys$output subject7@  $ mail/subject="''subject'" tt: "SMTP%""simon.maufe@smtp-vms"""  <bold>Sometimes</bold>M'  <x-color><param>red</param>I</x-color> %  <color><param>red</param>RED</color>.$  even amaze <italic>myself</italic>!  end text last linew   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:04:56 GMTr4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie) Subject: Re: Such Crap' Message-ID: <cAPg5.349$XL5.7445@insync>o  3 Terry C. Shannon (terryshannon@mediaone.net) wrote:FI : > So, you're under the delusion that MS would recognize high-tech code r : if it bit  : > them in the ass? : >y : J : In some instances, yes. Look at SQL Server. Like it or not, it is damnedL : fast, and allegedly because His Gateness hired a bunch of the top databaseL : developers and told 'em go off and write something that would produce good1 : benchmarks, esp. vis-a-vis the hated Oracle....n :   L According to the attached article from the comp.databases.sybase newsgroup,  SQL Server came from Sybase.    / --Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.netr;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalid 2                  (my opinions are strictly my own)N ==============================================================================$ From: Norris <jcheong@cooper.com.hk>! Newsgroups: comp.databases.sybaser, Subject: Re: Sybase and Microsoft SQL Server Date: 17 Feb 2000 08:23:29 GMT/ Organization: Netfront http://www.netfront.net/ 	 Lines: 24 0 Message-ID: <88gb61$1c0g$1@adenine.netfront.net>3 References: <88g7el$cjf$1@nntp4.atl.mindspring.net>o NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.81.252.1y; X-Trace: adenine.netfront.net 950775809 45072 202.81.252.1 t"         (17 Feb 2000 08:23:29 GMT)" X-Complaints-To: news@netfront.net+ NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Feb 2000 08:23:29 GMT L User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980818 ("Laura") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.2-RELEASE (i386))  2 Sybase SQL Server 4.x  ~= Microsoft SQL Server 4.x2 Sybase SQL Server 10.x ~= Microsoft SQL Server 6.07 Sybase Adaptive Server 11.5 ~= Microsoft SQL Server 6.5t  9 Luke Matthews <lukematthews_2000@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote:w  3 > I am told they were at one time the same product.e  K > Would a person with 3 years of developing just Sybase, including 4.x and  G > 10.x; and 2 years developing on both MS SQL Server 4.x and Sybase 11; J > be innacurate to simply say that he has 5 years of Sybase, or 5 years ofJ > MS SQL server?  Would you trust him, *as a contractor*, with the latest  > version of MS SQL Server?    > -- _- > ===========================================f/ > Luke Matthews / lukematthews_2000@yahoo.com   - > ===========================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:16:45 +0200   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: Such Crap+ Message-ID: <VA.00000099.00326596@sture.ch>p  C In article <3983700D.4B0D867E@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble wrote:S' > Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 20:00:13 -0400 , > From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms  > Subject: Re: Such Crap >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > >  > > Jerry Leslie wrote:i > > >e1 > > > David A Froble (davef@tsoft-inc.com) wrote:  > > > :t > > > : {snip}N > > > : What I would ask for is a commitment to not sell VMS to CA, preferablyN > > > : one that would actually cost Compaq money in addition to not receiving$ > > > : any payment for the product. > > > :2 > > > : Dave > > > :e > > >nJ > > > In an earlier article about CA, Message-ID 1999May8.103029.1@eisner,: > > > Bob Kaplow had a good idea about a way to handle CA: > > >tJ > > >  "In talking with a friend at Platinum, I jokingly suggested that weJ > > >   should have had a purchase clause in the contract: if the softwareL > > >   or company is sold, we have the option to get all of our money back.M > > >   He said that they have MANY contracts with such wording in them. I'vetO > > >   suggested that it be in all of our future software purchase contracts."e > >  > > I would add to that: > > L > > "If the product or company is ever sold or transferred such that anotherG > > party achieves partial or complete control of the product, customer K > > shall be entitled to a full and complete refund, with no witholding, ofMI > > any and all funds paid to acquire the product and any and all updates K > > and upgrades, and any all funds paid to company for support contracts."a > > K > > That should be a sufficiently bitter "poison pill" to keep the likes of5 > > CA away forever. > > K > > Companies truly commited to the best interest of their customers should H > > include in any contracts selling or transferring their product(s) toL > > another party clauses indicating that any increases in prices or chargesI > > for the product or its support in excess of a specific percentage per.L > > unit of time would be cause for the nullification of the contract making > > such sale or transfer. > >   > > Quite the utopian, aren't I? > P > Ok, I have a question.  I was never involved, but I've seen posts that claimedO > that CA was responsible for updates or whatever on the polycenter or whatever P > the product was called, and didn't live up to the responsibility.  Can someoneN > in the know comment on this, ie; whether CA had any commitments, and whether > they kept them?  > I It is my experience that we had identified certain bugs in DECscheduler, sP acknowledged as such by DEC, when control of the product was transferred to CA.  Those bugs were never fixed.  N I am happy to report that we no longer use Scheduler (or whatever it's called  now) on at least 30 machines.n  P > If they've basically reneged on past commitments, why would you expect them to  > worry about such poison pills? >  Hmm. ___o
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:22:56 -0400i' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>  Subject: Re: Such Crap( Message-ID: <8m1dke$rp8$1@pyrite.mv.net>  5 David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message ' news:3983700D.4B0D867E@tsoft-inc.com...i   ...i  H > Ok, I have a question.  I was never involved, but I've seen posts that claimedWF > that CA was responsible for updates or whatever on the polycenter or whateverH > the product was called, and didn't live up to the responsibility.  Can someonebF > in the know comment on this, ie; whether CA had any commitments, and whetherh > they kept them?M >EH > If they've basically reneged on past commitments, why would you expect them to   > worry about such poison pills?  F 1.  There's likely some difference in legal responsibility between theI wording covering responsibility to fix bugs and something as specific andd" explicit as the wording suggested.  K 2.  In any event, such wording would be a (non-transferrable) obligation onhA *Compaq*, not on whomever it might sell VMS to - thus providing arF disincentive to sell (or, in the case of someone acquiring Compaq as a whole, to buy).d  K Which is why Compaq would likely tell anyone demanding such wording to take K a hike.  But, more to the point, anyone who feels they need such wording inaI the first place might well be better-advised to seek out a vendor in whoms they have more confidence.   - bill   >  > Dave >l > --6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596@ > DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com8 > T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Jul 2000 08:26:52 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)m Subject: Re: Such Crap, Message-ID: <Qd1kSFLH50Wt@malvm2.mala.bc.ca>  ; In article <0UOg5.3872$NH2.18295@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, e;      "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  > J > In some instances, yes. Look at SQL Server. Like it or not, it is damnedL > fast, and allegedly because His Gateness hired a bunch of the top databaseL > developers and told 'em go off and write something that would produce good1 > benchmarks, esp. vis-a-vis the hated Oracle....a >   D    too bad it's not much use if you need access to the data from anyA platform other than windoze :-(  [ Yes, I realize that's all parto! of Bills "eine O/S" master plan ]E   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:10:47 GMTV% From: "Paco" <fsanchezpr@teleline.es>h Subject: visita mi web6 Message-ID: <HHWg5.7717$87.50045@telenews.teleline.es>  3 http://www.terra.es/personal2/fsanchezpr/navega.htmN   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:16:40 +0200r$ From: Paul Sture <sture.ch@sture.ch>C Subject: Re: VMS process manipulate data on SQLServer/NT box : How?s+ Message-ID: <VA.00000098.003250ba@sture.ch>D  K In article <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D8052845D5@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>,   Kerry Main wrote:t- > From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsaE > Subject: RE: VMS process manipulate data on SQLServer/NT box : How?t' > Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:51:17 -0400h >  > Paul,o > M > Some additional information to keep in mind when comparing prices like thise% > ie. what are future pricing plans..L >  > Reference:2 > http://www.informationweek.com/791/microsoft.htm > C Wow! Thanks for that reference. It gives some very real ammunition.A  O In the same vein, I was totally dismayed a couple of years or so ago at the M$ fK announcements of pricing for NT 5 (as was then known). They were basically tO saying that my twin cpu job needed a very expensive license, but OK, just this MK once, they would honour me with a special upgrade package which would work dL with more than one cpu. It was only a 2 x 133MHz system, for goodness sake!  ___n
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