1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 11 Jun 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 324       Contents: ATTENTION...> Re: Canadian Association of Compaq Users Symposium rescheduled) Re: Canadian Hobbyists ( was re: CANACU ) ) Re: Canadian Hobbyists ( was re: CANACU ) ) Re: Canadian Hobbyists ( was re: CANACU )  Help re: 4000 500  Re: Help re: 4000 500  Re: Help re: 4000 500 G Re: Large amount of files in one directory causes very slow performance  Re: MMOV 2.2 and VMS 7.1 Re: MMOV 2.2 and VMS 7.15 ramdisk vs. file cache, and the winner is, file cache 9 Re: ramdisk vs. file cache, and the winner is, file cache 9 Re: ramdisk vs. file cache, and the winner is, file cache ) Serial port programming (TX, LTA, TELNET) - Re: Serial port programming (TX, LTA, TELNET) - Re: Serial port programming (TX, LTA, TELNET)  Re: VAX on Intel?  VMS Security features  Re: VMS Security features  Re: VMS Security features  Re: VMS Security features  Re: VMS Security features   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:26:20 -0700  From: jimmyphish1@msn.com  Subject: ATTENTION... 7 Message-ID: <008541926030b60CPIMSSMTPU02@email.msn.com>   8 I know that a lot of people wish they could stay at home9 and make thousands of dollars. Well...here is the program 4 to do just that! You may have seen the feature story5 about this program on a major network TV show several 3 months ago. The network TV show determined that the 7 program explained below is a service and is 100% legal. 6 Take a few minutes to read over all of the information7 enclosed, MAKE A COPY, then read it again. You won't be  sorry! Good Luck!   ( ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++  9 Like a lot of people, I was looking for additional income 9 by replying to various advertisements on the Internet and 9 in newspapers. Having worked most of my adult life in the ; financial profession, I was very impressed by the following 	 proposal:   1 A few weeks ago I received a letter from a fellow 9 attorney that said:"I am a retired attorney and about two 8 years ago a man came to me with a letter." The letter he9 brought to me is the same letter you have before you now. 6 He asked me to review its contents to determine if the9 letter was legal. I told him I would look it over and get  back to him with my opinion.  9 When I first read the letter I thought it was an "off the 5 wall" idea to make money. A week later, I met with my 5 client to discuss the issue. I told him the letter as 7 originally given to me was not 100% legal. Naturally, I 2 was curious about the letter, so he told me how it9 worked. After hearing the explanation, I decided it was a 9 "long shot", so I decided against participating. However, 7 before my client left my office, I asked him to keep me  updated as to his results.  8 About two months later, he called to tell me that he had4 received more than $800,000 in cash!! Well, I didn't6 believe him, of course, so he asked me to try the plan9 and see for myself. I thought about it for a few days and 7 decided that there was not much to lose. I followed the 5 instructions exactly and mailed out 200 letters. Sure 7 enough...the money started coming in! It came slowly at 5 first, but after three weeks, I was getting more mail 5 than I could open in a day. After about 13 weeks, the  money stopped coming.   8 I kept a precise record of my earnings and at the end it/ totaled $868,439.00! I earn a good living as an 9 attorney, but as anyone in the legal profession will tell 0 you, there's a lot of stress that comes with the9 territory. I decided if things worked out, I would retire 8 from my practice and play golf. This time I sent out 5008 letters. Well...a little more than three months later, I totaled $2,344,178.00!!   8 I met my old client for lunch to find out exactly how it7 works. He told me that there were a few similar letters 6 going around. What made this one different is the fact8 that there are seven names on the letter...not five like7 the others. That factor alone resulted in more returns. 4 The other factor was the advice I gave him in making9 certain the whole thing was perfectly legal, since no one 8 wants to risk doing anything illegal. I know you must be6 curious about the little changes I advised him to make4 for the letter to be legal. Well, when sending out a0 letter like this one, to be legal, you must sell7 something if you expect to receive something in return.   8 So, when you send a dollar to each of the seven names on2 the list, you MUST include a slip of paper saying:5 "PLEASE ADD ME TO YOUR MAILING LIST" and include YOUR 6 NAME, MAILING ADDRESS, AND E-MAIL ADDRESS. This is the5 key to the program. The item you will receive is THIS 9 LETTER and the right to earn thousands. Follow the simple 4 instructions EXACTLY, and in about three months, you7 should receive MORE THAN $800,000 IN COLD, HARD CASH!!!   4 1) IMMEDIATELY send $1.00 to each of the seven names6 listed below. The SOONER you send the "$1.00 LETTERS",4 the SOONER you will start getting a return! Wrap the7 dollar in a note saying: "Please add me to your mailing 5 list". Include YOUR NAME, MAILING ADDRESS, AND E-MAIL 7 ADDRESS. You will receive expert tips on promoting this / letter and some excellent BULK EMAIL resources. 5 *Remember...If you don't ask for this service, use of $ this letter will be illegal for you!    <    1. G. Holcombe, 1133 County Line Road, Chalfont, PA 189145    2. Mike Peloni, 5 Cameo Ridge Rd, Monsey, NY 10952 5    3. G.W. Wroble, P.O. Box 285, Paragould, AR  72451 <    4. Christopher Wroble, P.O. Box 285, Paragould, AR  72451<    5. George J. Potter, 1670 Gray Ave., Yuba City, CA  95991F    6. Adam Chevalier, 5 Independence Drive, Appt #13 Methuen, MA 018440    7.James White, P.O. Box 301, Hadley, MA 01035   DELETE THE NAME & ADDRESS NEXT TO #1. at the top of4 the list and MOVE the other names(#2 thru #7) UP ONE8 POSITION. Then place YOUR NAME & ADDRESS in the #7 spot.7 Be careful when you type the addresses. It is suggested 0 that you PROOFREAD to MAKE CERTAIN the names and addresses are correct.  6 3) When you have completed the above instructions, you2 may market the letter using the following options:
 1. Bulk email  2. U.S. Postal Service	 3. Flyers + 4. Post FREE Classified Ads on the Internet 
 5. Newsgroups   6 This letter has been proven perfectly legal for all of8 the above means, as long as you follow the instructions;5 because you are purchasing membership in an exclusive 8 mailing list. To mail this letter out over the Internet,6 you can browse through ours and find people to send it8 to. All you have to do is cut and paste e-mail addresses! wherever you are on the Internet.   6 Another method of marketing the letter is using a Bulk6 E-Mail Service to mail out letters in large volume for/ you. We suggest using the Bulk E-Mail approach. 0 When you mail your $1 letters you will receive a1 few recommendations for bulk email companies that + will supply you with fresh email addresses.   4 Posting FREE CLASSIFIED ADS on the Internet can also9 achieve results. Simply go to a search engine(e.g. Yahoo, 7 Hot Bot, Lycos, Excite, Infoseek, etc. and type in FREE 6 CLASSIFIED ADS. You'll get a list of over 80,000 sites6 where you can post ads. Remember to use a catchy title7 like FREE MONEY, and post your e-mail address. When you 8 get an inquiry, simply e-mail a copy of this letter. The4 more you send, the more you will make. It's a lot of5 work...so that's why we recommend using a Bulk E-mail  Service.  5 We strongly encourage you to mail this letter to your ) family and friends. They'll be grateful!!   6 THIS IS A SERVICE AND IS 100% LEGAL. You may refer to:2 Title 18, Section 1302 & 1342 of the U.S. Postal &5 Lottery Statute; or check it out with the U.S. Postal  Service if you have questions.    9 Let's assume, for example, you get a 7.5% return rate. My 8 first attempt, however, was 9.5%, and my second was more	 than 11%.   4 1) When you send out 200 letters, 15 people send you $1.00 ($15.00)/ 2) Those 15 people mail out 200 letters and 225  people send you $1.00 ($225.00) 2 3) Those 225 people mail out 200 letters and 3,375! people send you $1.00 ($3,375.00) / 4) Those 3,375 people mail out 200 letters, and ( 50,625 people send you $1.00($50,625.00)0 5) Those 50,625 people mail out 200 letters, and+ 759,375 people send you $1.00 ($759,375.00) / 6) At this level, your name drops off the list.   3 Think about it. Look at what you will have received - before your name drops off the list. It looks 5 unbelievable, I know. Do the math...see for yourself! 4 Just DO IT and you'll happily believe because you'll5 receive proof in the form of MANY ONE-DOLLAR BILLS!!!   7 Just make certain that you send a dollar to each of the 8 seven names on the list; including the note asking to be1 added to their mailing list. Together we will all  prosper!  0 Well...you've read this far, so let me ask you a	 question:    Q: What do you have to lose?
 A: Only $7.00   3 Don't throw this letter away. Keep it...think about ( it...and after awhile...YOU WILL TRY IT!  4 I looked at it for over two months, and then I said:0 "It's only $7...I have to be nuts not to do it".  7 *******************************************************  Please remove at:  jimmyphish1@msn.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:54:06 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> G Subject: Re: Canadian Association of Compaq Users Symposium rescheduled , Message-ID: <3942AAEC.5B70787B@videotron.ca>   Brad Hamilton wrote:F > The point I am raising here is that theevnetformerlyknownasDECUS hasD > recognised that there are problems and issues which may be keepingJ > members away, and is actively soliciting membership input to improve th= e  > situation. > =   " > Can CANACU do something similar?  J DECUS Canada did something similar back in september 1997, as a last stra= w J effort before death. Up until that time, it was resided by Brian Luther, = who J professionally pulled out because he did not have the time to invest anym= ore.  J The response was overwhelming and plenty of ideas and concepts were discu= ssedJ (including the $50 fee issue). DECUS had essentially used all its remaini= ngJ funds to bring leadership to Winterpeg. But there seemed to be consensus = thatH there was enough goodwill to warrant rebuilding DECUS. At that time, theJ DECrep also announced he was moving away and to be replaced by someone el= se. =     J It was not until June 1998 that I was appointed on the board (ironically,=  H because nobody else had wanted the job). At that time, the fees had beenJ decided upon and collected. As well, I beleive that DECUS had obtained so= meJ corporate sponsorhip (payment for advertising in what used to be DECUScop= e  (renamed to some neutral name).   E During my first board meeting, the ex-decrep was there on an advisory J position, and the new, younger, decrep was present. However, discussions = wereJ bogged down in bylaws and much time spent on a single DECUS member who ha= d J refused to pay his $50.00 but was the head of one of the few remaining li= ve LUGs.  H After that time, I took the initiative to rebuild the web site to enableJ better communications, and rebuild the membership system which had been m= ovedB to an ACCESS database on a single PC (meaning it was useless to an) organisation, useless to automation etc).   J During that time, all I heard from the president was that he was working = hardJ to secure the jobs of the office administrator, as well as trying to obta= in aH RECrep that reports directly to the president. Most of the board were inJ Montr=E9al, but when the president of DECUS met with the president of Com= paq ? Canada, we were not invited, nor did we ever hear what went on.   J At the fall '98 board meeting, it was announced that the younger DECrep w= asJ pushed out and the older one coming back. Plenty of great plans, but the = focus J was on an urgent organisation of a symposium. I left quietly. The remaind= er of J the board didn't make any announcements. And when the bylaws for that can= acu J thing were announced, I sent detailed comments on specific clauses. I was=  very @ rapidly taken off their list without any explanation or comment.    H In Winnipeg, there was a renewed sense of optimism. Unfortunatly, exceptJ during my short 6 month term where I had frequent communications and deba= tes J with the leaderhsip (those that had attended Winnipeg, about 30-50 people= ),* the board was back to its own silent self.  J So, not only was it back to its own silent self, but it had brought back = MrJ Symposium and seemed intent on recreating the DECUS of the 80s, the same = DECUS J which had been esentially dead since 1994 when it was realised that sympo= siums  didn't work anymore.  J Note that I had left DECUS's leadership in '93 after criticising the boar= d for J concentrating solely on symposium only. (how many organisations where the=  F president and VP happen to also be chair and co-chair of the symposiumG organising commitee) because I, at that point, already felt it was more  important to go "internet". =        CONCLUSION:   J You asked why not setup some form of consultative commitees ? Been there = doneJ that. They are not worth much if actions are not taken to implement those=  G suggestions. And that seems to have been the case with DECUS. Plenty of J goodwill, but the boartd goes back to its silent self, administring its b= ylaws J and protecting jobs at Compaq/Digital instead of focusing on its members.=      J I cannot speak for the canacu-thing board members of CTUG heritage. Altho= ugh J during my tenure, the president of DECUS had met with them, we had not be= enH involved. Seems that a merger was a very secret thing that the presidentJ couldn't tell us about (even though it was public knowledge on the newsgr= oups& which the president did not frequent).    H The current ex-DECUS board has had their chance since automn 1997 to getJ things going again. If they don't want to do the honorable thing and step=  J down, then the onus is on them to show concrete proof that they have chan= ged J and will now do the job that was expected of them: forget about symposium=  forF the next few years and focus on membership communications and building conduits for technical content.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Jun 2000 14:52:29 -0700* From: dunnett@mala.bc.ca (Malcolm Dunnett)2 Subject: Re: Canadian Hobbyists ( was re: CANACU ), Message-ID: <D1AZvU5CMUNR@malvm2.mala.bc.ca>  * In article <39425C44.90B4309B@gtech.com>, B    Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:   > Dr Alain Legault wrote: K >> I don't really give a damn about who is right or wrong in all of this as  >> long as we get this >> thing fixed.  > D > [I does not live in Canada, so I am just a guy looking in from the > side-line] > > > It is my impression that the first thing to be done to "fix"5 > things is to get the DECUS Canada into the hobbyist  > program !  >   >    AFAIK they already are ( unless something has broken in the last month or so ).   C    I was first able to get licenses through the hobbyist program in ; April of 1999. I renewed the license in April of this year.   =    This may have worked simply because I was in the old DECUS A Canada database. I have no idea of whether I'm a member of CANACU / or not, my emails on the subject go unanswered.   =    I don't know if it's possible to join CANACU today and get  a hobbyist license.    > Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:37:36 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 2 Subject: Re: Canadian Hobbyists ( was re: CANACU ), Message-ID: <3942C328.C5CD1C99@videotron.ca>   Malcolm Dunnett wrote:@ > > It is my impression that the first thing to be done to "fix"7 > > things is to get the DECUS Canada into the hobbyist 
 > > program !  > >  > @ >    AFAIK they already are ( unless something has broken in the > last month or so ).     F The hobbyist licence seemed to work on the original true DECUS numbersJ (078xxxxxx).  When they dumped DIO to go to a access database, they used aM different numbering scheme, but the old one seemed to persist in the hobbyist G program. When I spoke with the office manager to rebuild the membership:J system, it had been decided to return to the old numbering scheme, the theS system I build, but which was not adopted by the board used that numberding scheme.C  N As of this may, when I renewed my hobyist licences, the old numbers were still functional.   M This leads me to beleive that the new organisation never propagated their new $ list to the hobbyist administrators.  F Some of you may recall my suggestions to have a single worldwide DECUSK organistation with local branch offices. (eg: a DECUS member from canada asdL opposed to a DECUS CANADA member). This would have greatly helped matters. IJ am not sure that DECUS is big enough worldwide to really warrant having soH many different and independant organisations going their own directions.  N The name used in canada seems totally random to me and has no association withN what DECUS/ITUG in the rest of the world are doing. They should have called itD DECUS-TUG Canada until the rest of the world decides on a real name.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:48:19 GMT4. From: "Curtis Rempel" <curtis.rempel@home.com>2 Subject: Re: Canadian Hobbyists ( was re: CANACU )8 Message-ID: <nlB05.3139$U5.34740@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com>  7 "Malcolm Dunnett" <dunnett@mala.bc.ca> wrote in messageu& news:D1AZvU5CMUNR@malvm2.mala.bc.ca...  ? >    This may have worked simply because I was in the old DECUSrC > Canada database. I have no idea of whether I'm a member of CANACUn1 > or not, my emails on the subject go unanswered.   J Since this lack of email replies from the office appears to be a universalL problem, I will include the text of a message Ron Catcheside sent me for theJ benefit of everybody who is being ignored (or "whatever").  Hopefully this' will result in the problem being fixed.    [Begin attached message]  
 Hi Curtis,  I I note that you have again indicated that you and some of your colleaguesv= have had email and phone calls (to the office) go unanswered.a  H I have asked Cathy to prepare a report which records any emails receivedL from you, and any replies sent. It would be most helpful if you were able toK send me a list including the headers, of correspondence to/from the office.uI we could perhaps get a better idea of why instances of non response might L have happened. Since the office nor (I suspect) you maintain telephone logs,L it would not be practical to do the same for phone calls, though if you have any details I'd be interested.  K You also mention some colleagues. It would be very helpful for them to alsokK provided this kind of information, but rather than ask you for their names,iG perhaps I could impose on you to ask if they'd be willing to contact mea	 directly.   H Thanks Curtis. Hopefully we can identify any holes in the infrastructure@ that may have caused these problems, with a view to fixing them.  
 Best regards,    Ron    Ron Catcheside CME, RGD, MGDC - Director of User Group Collaboration Programsr Compaq Computer Corporationt   Phone (416)228-3935l  e-mail ron.catcheside@compaq.com  ( "User Groups Work... They mean Business"   [End attached message]   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:39:45 -0600 " From: Pat <unixguyz@freewwweb.com> Subject: Help re: 4000 500- Message-ID: <3942D1C1.39929522@freewwweb.com>r  B I've worked with RS6000s and Sparcs for over 20yrs, but never VAX.  E So in a week moment thinking I should see how VMS and Vaxen work I'llt= pick a retired one up from a customer who was retiring a few.r   So I need a little direction.,  H It is a 4000 500 no HD but numerous SCSI connectors 6 Centrinics 50s and! 4 hd 50s no idea how much memory.t  F Can anyone help me out with the pin out of the native serial port so IB can at least hook a console up to it and find out what devices are	 attached.a  G And maybe even a resource to what the numerouse connectors and switchese, are on the side panel eg: M0 S1, S2 etc are.  E Some of the board #s are ... M9047-00, KZQSA and 3 boards with 2 SCSIa$ centronics each and an offset RJ35 ?   Thanks in advance for any help.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:30:02 -0500u) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>I Subject: Re: Help re: 4000 5007 Message-ID: <04ec01bfd355$55956c00$020a0a0a@xile.realm>h  ' Pat <unixguyz@freewwweb.company> wrote:n  D > I've worked with RS6000s and Sparcs for over 20yrs, but never VAX.  G > So in a week moment thinking I should see how VMS and Vaxen work I'llp? > pick a retired one up from a customer who was retiring a few.U > J > It is a 4000 500 no HD but numerous SCSI connectors 6 Centrinics 50s and# > 4 hd 50s no idea how much memory.E  G Can you identify it exactly as a VAX 4000 Model 500 or a VAX 4000 ModelT 500A?  The "A" is significant here.  L It appears that the minimum memory board size for that unit is 64M, and 128M boards were a common package.   H > Can anyone help me out with the pin out of the native serial port so ID > can at least hook a console up to it and find out what devices are > attached.a   See the OpenVMS FAQ at6 http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html  I > And maybe even a resource to what the numerouse connectors and switchesr. > are on the side panel eg: M0 S1, S2 etc are.  K The black knob above the white baud rate selector selects the console mode.,L Keep it pointed at the arrow for normal use.  Selected upward to the squiglyJ line that is supposed to be a face will cause it to ask at the console forJ the language each time it starts up.  The lower position (T with a circle)B will put in a test mode reserved to those who know more than I do.  L The connectors M0, S1, S2, are for controlling the power sequencing of slave	 cabinets.y  G > Some of the board #s are ... M9047-00, KZQSA and 3 boards with 2 SCSIt& > centronics each and an offset RJ35 ?  L The KZQSA is a low performance SCSI adaptor.  It is only supported for CDROMI and Tapes.  However on occasion SCSI hard disks have been seen to work onN it.n  H The high density 50 pin connections are not SCSI, they are DSSI.  Do notJ attempt to mix them with SCSI devices.  DSSI disks can be found on the newI and used market.  Your box also needs special carriers in addition to thet basic disks.  L There are other widgets on the used market that will connect SCSI devices to DSSI busses.  J The VAX 4000 Model 500 has 2 DSSI buses on it.  One DSSI bus is terminatedI internally on one end, and the other end is connected to the high densityoJ connector at the side of the cabinet farthest from the CPU.  It internallyJ reaches all 4 drive bays.  There should be a DSSI terminator on all of theC high density connectors when they are not in connected to expansiont	 cabinets.l  L On the end of the cabinet with the single DSSI connector, there is also a 50J pin SCSI connector.  It is connected to an internal SCSI bus.  I know thatJ it runs to the storage bay directly above the module, and it possibly goesJ to the other ones, but I would have to power off the unit to check as I doG not have a manual for it.  This SCSI bus is not internally connected toaG anything other than that connector and the storage bays.  To use a SCSI J device in the storage bay, this connector must be cabled to a SCSI adaptor such as the KZQSA.  L The second DSSI bus has both ends available at the cover of the CPU box.  IfF you have a VAX 4000 Model 500A, There will optionally be two more DSSI busses.n  + A KZQSA has 2 50 pin SCSI connectors on it.   I A CXY08 has 2 50 pin "Centronics" connectors on it.  These each contain 4aH serial ports.  A special cable connects to them with 4 25 Pin D male DTEC connectors on it's other end.  This is commonly known as an octopusc
 connector.  K You can search the archives of comp.os.vms at http://www.deja.com for otherl  answers that are not in the FAQ.   -Johnt wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 03:53:51 GMTe( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> Subject: Re: Help re: 4000 500' Message-ID: <Fvz1Hr.Ju8@spcuna.spc.edu>2  $ Pat <unixguyz@freewwweb.com> writes:J > It is a 4000 500 no HD but numerous SCSI connectors 6 Centrinics 50s and# > 4 hd 50s no idea how much memory.p  G   The "Centronics 50" are likely to be on boards labeled "CXY08", whichr. are 8-port serial controllers, not SCSI cards.  I   The HD50's, if you look carefully, are the wrong gender for SCSI - theykK have males on the equipment and females on the cables. These are DSSI busesk# which are not compatible with SCSI..  H > Can anyone help me out with the pin out of the native serial port so ID > can at least hook a console up to it and find out what devices are > attached.u     This is in the VMS FAQ: < http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html#MISC1  I > And maybe even a resource to what the numerouse connectors and switchese. > are on the side panel eg: M0 S1, S2 etc are.  I    Likewise (I think you'll have to extrapolate from the MicroVAX II info  there, though).b  G > Some of the board #s are ... M9047-00, KZQSA and 3 boards with 2 SCSIw& > centronics each and an offset RJ35 ?  K   KZQSA is a SCSI controller which officially supported only certain CD-ROM*I and tape devices. If your "SCSI" boards actually have a DEC MMJ connector-J on them, they may indeed be SCSI. If so, they're likely some flavor of CMD! (brand) board. For a sample, see:j3 http://www.cmd.com/Manuals/220A223AInstallGuide.pdfu  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.comd5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAi   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 21:57:54 GMTr From: sabolich@my-deja.comP Subject: Re: Large amount of files in one directory causes very slow performance) Message-ID: <8hudks$ced$1@nnrp1.deja.com>a  J In article <8holi1$vuu$1@rubidium.news.lion-access.net>,"salvi@freeler.nl"K <s.schrijen@libertel.nl> wrote:> Hi there,>> At this time we have al lot ofiL files, about 25,000 all in onedirectory on a> VMS 6.2-1H3 2node DSSI clusterF with Alpha 4100 machines with each 2Gb of> memory and two CPU's.> BothM Alpha's are connected to two HSZ50 controllers with 64Mb cacheand host> basediI shadowing.>> The average RMS performance is slowing down as the amount ofeJ filesincreases> in one directory.> In the coming months we expect that theL amount of files will be near40,000.> I'm sure that the RMS performance dropsJ again.> Is there any tuning possible on RMS / INDEXF.SYS.> I was told thatI when the directoryfile exceeds 128 blocks, performance on> RMS operationsaD will drop very rapidly. (our current directoryfilesize is> about 300D blocks).>> Maybe needless to say but filehighwatermarking is alreadyA switchedoff, and> the caching size of the HSZ50 controllers is atdJ maximumsize.> Of course you can say that we have to decrease the amount ofM files in one> directory, but that is at the moment no option for us.>> If youuJ have any idea how i can avoid these performanceproblems please> respond toI this newsgroup or directly.> Thanxx>> For more specific information, feelhE free to ask me.>> Salvi Schrijen> Libertel Network> The Netherlands.> L s.schrijen-nospam-@libertel.nl>>I do not have much experience with VMS but IM spent some time talkingwith a VMS programmer at a steel company where I oftenoF work as aconsultant.  They had exactly the same problem where serveralM thousandfiles were in a directory and it would take forever to delete them.IfpF I'm not mistaken VMS uses write-through caching of files so when youdoK something like delete a large directory it just pounds the hard drivemovingtL the heads back and forth.If you have access to the source code that produces= and reads the filesyou can modify it to put the files in morewM directories.Some processes they have at the steel company basically implementeM theirown file system using an index file and a data file and simply seekingtorM the correct position in the data file.You could also possibly move your filesgL off the VMS system to a unixsystem and share them across a network.I've beenL using Linux with a journaling filesystem called ReiserFS for aa short time. L This performs very well particularly for small files.It does not store filesH in multiples of block sizes (ie 512, 1024, etcbytes) so it doesn't wasteK space.	You can sometimes replace a databasewith it.  I did a little test tohJ create	and write 10,000 files of 5192bytes in a single directory.  It tookK under 6 seconds to create andwrite the files, and under 2 seconds to delete E them.The PC was 500Mhz k6 with 64MB RAM and 5400 rpm 10Gig drive.Frant    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:59:47 GMTh3 From: Eric Dittman <dittman@narnia.int.dittman.net>e! Subject: Re: MMOV 2.2 and VMS 7.1w? Message-ID: <TDA05.23568$MJ6.688620@news-west.usenetserver.com>t  U Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.64.40 <pmoreau@cenaath.cena.dgac.fr> wrote:iO : Multimedia Services for OpenVMS is available on the June CD's with support ofe3 : Ensoniq card and DSx0 workstations and servers !!o  O : The minimum OVMS version is 7.1-2, but is there a chance to see it working on M : 7.1H1 ? (My Home Alpha 255 runs 7.1-1H1 with a good stability and if I can o : avoid an update ...)  C Is there a chance of seeing this available elsewhere for those withA Hobbyist VMS licenses? -- e Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.neti   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 00:19:57 -0500 (CDT)  From: sms@antinode.org! Subject: Re: MMOV 2.2 and VMS 7.1s) Message-ID: <00061100195697@antinode.org>n  3 From: Eric Dittman <dittman@narnia.int.dittman.net>   E > Is there a chance of seeing this available elsewhere for those with= > Hobbyist VMS licenses?  F    Seconded.  I'd like an excuse to get a pair of speakers attached to+ my (apparently supported) AlpSta 200 4/233.e  F    Is anyone thinking about a Hobbyist update kit (C V6.2, and so on)?  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)nC    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work) G    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work)u9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)i   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Jun 2000 22:39:45 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)> Subject: ramdisk vs. file cache, and the winner is, file cache, Message-ID: <8hug3h$s81@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  E I had to do some system maintenance this weekend and thought that I'dcE revisit the file caching performance issue by installing a ramdisk oniF my system.  So after 2.3 was installed I ran the programs which follow? my signature on a 32 Mb RAMdisk on a DS10, with these results:     $ r maketest $ mysplit:==$mda0:[temp]mysplita $ create testsplit.com
 $ sho time $ define/user sys$output nla0: $ mysplit test.nfa 200
 $ sho time ^Z $ @testsplit   10-JUN-2000 15:03:22   10-JUN-2000 15:03:23  7 (delta varied between 1 and 2 seconds in multiple runs)n   $ sho dev mda0  J Disk SEQAXP$MDA0:, device type RAM Disk, is online, mounted, file-oriented     device, shareable.  O     Error count                    0    Operations completed             216498 O     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC               [SYSMGR,SYSTEM]eO     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot            S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,WrO     Reference count                1    Default buffer size                 512tO     Total blocks               64000    Sectors per track                    641O     Total cylinders               32    Tracks per cylinder                  32d  O     Volume label              "MDA0"    Relative volume number                0aO     Cluster size                   3    Transaction count                     1"O     Free blocks                62700    Maximum files allowed              8000 O     Extend quantity                5    Mount count                           1mO     Mount status              System    Cache name      "_SEQAXP$DKA0:XQPCACHE"SO     Volume owner UIC [SYSMGR,SYSTEM]    Vol Prot    S:RWCD,O:RWCD,G:RWCD,W:RWCDd  P   Volume Status:  ODS-2, subject to mount verification, file high-water marking,       caching is disabled.  F That's MUCH faster than I could ever achieve by RMS tuning, but oddly,? STILL not as fast as the same code run on Linux on an otherwiseuD similar DS10.  It runs there about 2-3X faster as judged by the rateB at which the names of the created files scroll by (it completes in@ under a second, so hard to time it precisely.)  This is when theF mysplit program is run without suppressing the messages.  A small partC of the speed difference may be a longer image activation on the VMSdF side, but once it gets rolling it is clearly taking longer per file on the OpenVMS end.  I tried    $ set RMS/extend=204  F (the size of the output files) but that didn't speed things up at all.E Caching was disabled already (it's pointless when going to a RAMDISK,n> isn't it?).  Turning off highwater marking didn't help either.   So this is the situation:m   OS             OpenVMS    Linux $ Version        7.2-1      RedHat 6.2 Machine        DS10       DS10$ input file     ramdisk    file cache$ output files   ramdisk    file cache$ program        ramdisk    file cache( C RTL          disk       file cache (?)" compiler       Compaq C   Compaq C) version        V6.2-007   ccc-6.2.9.002-2 . Run time       1-2        0.5        (seconds)  F So why does OpenVMS STILL run slower than Linux?  While 2-3X slower isB certainly better than the 100X slower it registered "vanilla" the B result seems very wrong because CPU intensive programs usually runF within a few percent of each other on the two platforms, and here I'veA essentially reduced this disk IO application to a pure CPU/memoryi: application, and yet there's still a 2-3 fold difference.   D I wonder if it may not be related to the earlier result in my TCP/IPF tests, where TCP/IP services sending data through a pipe to itself did. so slower than Linux did - by a similar ratio.  F Anybody care to speculate about what accounts for the remaining large  difference in the performance?   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduw? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech y  F **********************************************************************  
 /* MAKETEST.C D    makes a 16000 entry fasta file, each containing a 500 bp sequence */ #include <stdlib.h>a #include <stdio.h>   void main(void){ int i,j;	 FILE *fd;     fd=fopen("test.nfa","w");    for(i=0; i< 16000; i++){n)       (void) fprintf(fd,">test%.4d\n",i);        for(j=0; j < 10; j++){S          (void) fprintf(fd,"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA\n");u       }u    } }y  F **********************************************************************  
 /*  MYSPLIT.Ct5 quicky program.  It splits a fasta file into a seriesh4 of new files at N line intervals.  First argument is4 the filename and second is the number of entries per? file fragment.  Single long sequence lines will not be handled i( properly if they exceed the buffer size. */   #include <stdlib.h>  #include <stdio.h> #include <unistd.h>o #define MYMAXSTRING 100000! int main(int argc, char *argv[]){-
 char *infile;s char *outfile; char root[]="frag";. char bigstring[MYMAXSTRING]; char outname[200]; int  n,count,fragcount;-
 FILE *fin; FILE *fout;         fout=NULL;   fragcount=0;
   count=0;   n=0;9   if(argc != 3 || (sscanf(argv[2],"%d",&n)==EOF) || n<1){2Z     (void) printf("Usage:  mysplit infile N, where N is number of entries perfragment\n");     exit(0);   }h   infile=argv[1]; 6   (void) printf("Processing %s with n=%d\n",infile,n);      fin=fopen(infile,"r");   if(fin==NULL){:    (void) printf("Could not open input file %s\n",infile);     exit(0);   } 3   while( fgets(bigstring,MYMAXSTRING,fin) != NULL){t     if(bigstring[0] == '>'){       count--;       if(count<=0){r          count = n;h          fragcount++;a$          if(fout!=NULL)fclose(fout);6          (void) sprintf(outname,"frag%.3d",fragcount);;          (void) printf("Opening output file %s\n",outname);t#          fout = fopen(outname,"w");.       },     }a(     (void) fprintf(fout,"%s",bigstring);   }nI   (void) printf("All done, entries in final file segment: %d\n",n-count);-
   exit(1); }e   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 03:59:23 GMTn* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)B Subject: Re: ramdisk vs. file cache, and the winner is, file cache+ Message-ID: <BcSrFmEWZUwt@eisner.decus.org>i  a In article <8hug3h$s81@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:o   	[snip]a   > H > That's MUCH faster than I could ever achieve by RMS tuning, but oddly,A > STILL not as fast as the same code run on Linux on an otherwiseiF > similar DS10.  It runs there about 2-3X faster as judged by the rateD > at which the names of the created files scroll by (it completes inB > under a second, so hard to time it precisely.)  This is when theH > mysplit program is run without suppressing the messages.  A small partE > of the speed difference may be a longer image activation on the VMS H > side, but once it gets rolling it is clearly taking longer per file on > the OpenVMS end.  I tried  >  > $ set RMS/extend=204 > H > (the size of the output files) but that didn't speed things up at all.G > Caching was disabled already (it's pointless when going to a RAMDISK, @ > isn't it?).  Turning off highwater marking didn't help either. >  > So this is the situation:e > ! > OS             OpenVMS    Linuxd& > Version        7.2-1      RedHat 6.2  > Machine        DS10       DS10& > input file     ramdisk    file cache& > output files   ramdisk    file cache& > program        ramdisk    file cache* > C RTL          disk       file cache (?)$ > compiler       Compaq C   Compaq C+ > version        V6.2-007   ccc-6.2.9.002-2e0 > Run time       1-2        0.5        (seconds) > H > So why does OpenVMS STILL run slower than Linux?  While 2-3X slower isD > certainly better than the 100X slower it registered "vanilla" the D > result seems very wrong because CPU intensive programs usually runH > within a few percent of each other on the two platforms, and here I'veC > essentially reduced this disk IO application to a pure CPU/memoryI< > application, and yet there's still a 2-3 fold difference.  > F > I wonder if it may not be related to the earlier result in my TCP/IPH > tests, where TCP/IP services sending data through a pipe to itself did0 > so slower than Linux did - by a similar ratio. > H > Anybody care to speculate about what accounts for the remaining large   > difference in the performance? >   C 	Yes... I'm sure Bill Todd could add a much more detailed technicalcA 	description or Brian Schenkenberger or Glenn Everhart and dozenstB 	of other nameless internals gurus ... but the short story as BillB 	pointed out in this forum not too long ago is that with a RamDiskC 	you still have driver code to contend with and file cache is still 
 	much faster.I  A 	The reason I remember this is I was/am all excited about RamDisku? 	in Galaxy shared memory and Bill very convincingly pointed outp 	that file cache is faster.   = 	So maybe RamDisk is still a huge win as your other shadowsetc@ 	members are real disks and the *slowest* you do I/O is when you? 	have to touch the RamDisk, faster I/O is cached locally.. and u? 	then the point Bill raised in his long explanation is it seemsDC 	to be a bit of overkill (or similar phrasing).. but when you gotta B 	be blazingly fast, seems RamDisk in shared memory is still a huge	 	win :-).   A 	By the way, been following what you are doing here.. good stuff."   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:55:32 -0700n5 From: "Larry D Bohan, Jr" <LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com>tB Subject: Re: ramdisk vs. file cache, and the winner is, file cache2 Message-ID: <1fRCOaPAUo1ES8Q4bCU0CGwuvUyh@4ax.com>  A On 10 Jun 2000 22:39:45 GMT, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David  Mathog) wrote:  G >That's MUCH faster than I could ever achieve by RMS tuning, but oddly,e@ >STILL not as fast as the same code run on Linux on an otherwiseE >similar DS10.  It runs there about 2-3X faster as judged by the rateeC >at which the names of the created files scroll by (it completes intA >under a second, so hard to time it precisely.)  This is when the G >mysplit program is run without suppressing the messages.  A small partrD >of the speed difference may be a longer image activation on the VMSG >side, but once it gets rolling it is clearly taking longer per file onq >the OpenVMS end.  I tried b >. >$ set RMS/extend=204  >cG >(the size of the output files) but that didn't speed things up at all. F >Caching was disabled already (it's pointless when going to a RAMDISK,? >isn't it?).  Turning off highwater marking didn't help either.e >S >So this is the situation: >t  >OS             OpenVMS    Linux% >Version        7.2-1      RedHat 6.2a >Machine        DS10       DS10i% >input file     ramdisk    file cacheS% >output files   ramdisk    file cachey% >program        ramdisk    file cacheo) >C RTL          disk       file cache (?) # >compiler       Compaq C   Compaq Ca* >version        V6.2-007   ccc-6.2.9.002-2/ >Run time       1-2        0.5        (seconds)l >wG >So why does OpenVMS STILL run slower than Linux?  While 2-3X slower is C >certainly better than the 100X slower it registered "vanilla" the nC >result seems very wrong because CPU intensive programs usually run.G >within a few percent of each other on the two platforms, and here I'veuB >essentially reduced this disk IO application to a pure CPU/memory; >application, and yet there's still a 2-3 fold difference. - >-E >I wonder if it may not be related to the earlier result in my TCP/IPcG >tests, where TCP/IP services sending data through a pipe to itself didp/ >so slower than Linux did - by a similar ratio.c >aG >Anybody care to speculate about what accounts for the remaining large r >difference in the performance?o  ; well, using same DECC compiler, VMS 7.2-1, latest patches, 2= but on a DS20, and a larger ramdisk, this test ran for me at   0.83 -- 0.84sec.A (albeit  w/ the "opening output file ..." printfs commented out.)o  @ I thought some of the overhead might be image activation, et.al,= but on my system here, the activation/initialization portion m5 seemed to be less than 0.01 secs of the elapsed time.i  
 $ SET NOON $ DISM/NOUNL MDA0: $ INIT/SIZE=0 MDA0: MDA0= $ INIT/NOVERIF/WIN=80/NOHIGH/EXTEN=204/SIZE=524280 MDA0: MDA0e $ MOUNT/OVER=ID/NOASSIST MDA0: E0 $ COPY/CONTIG/LOG P_LOG:TEST.NFA;0 MDA0:[000000]0 $ COPY/CONTIG/LOG LE:MYSPLIT.EXE;0 MDA0:[000000]. $ COPY/CONTIG/LOG P_LOG:T.COM;0 MDA0:[000000]    $ set verifo $ @t.com $ beg = f$fao("!%D",0)  $ MCR []MYSPLIT.EXE test.nfa 200 Processing test.nfa with n=200, All done, entries in final file segment: 199 $ end = f$fao("!%D",0)' $ mcr toolsdisk:[tools.exe]timedelta - a=   "10-JUN-2000 19:08:35.40" - "10-JUN-2000 19:08:34.57" delta =    (10-JUN-2000 19:08:35.40) -  (10-JUN-2000 19:08:34.57) => e    <   0 00:00:00.83>e $ sh sym delta   DELTA = "   0 00:00:00.83"  B outside of using a ramdisk, the next best way to speed the process; up might be to map the input/output files as a file-mapped a* sections (or chunks of them at at time).    B  You might be able to do this (somewhat) portably using the CRTL's< mmap?   and have a closer match to the u**x stream-of-bytes 9 paradigm.  I recall some USEnet discussion inre when/how  7 some u**x implementation make use of mmap() internally,  behind the scenes.  5 I haven't used mmap for this sort of thing recently, h2 but used $CRMPSC for something similar some years 7 back, where sprintf'ing records to a large buffer, and a3 writing ($updsec) it out in one fell swoop, proved  . much faster than fprintf'ing record by record.  7  What was a chore, when creating a new file, this way,  ; was creating/preserving attibutes that the C RTL (and RMS) e- would recognize as valid.  ie in some cases, r" having to fix up the  EFBLK/FFBYTE   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:05:37 -0400s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>u2 Subject: Serial port programming (TX, LTA, TELNET), Message-ID: <3942AD9F.6854A6AB@videotron.ca>  H For an application which needs to access a modem outbound (dialing out).B I don' have a terminal server, so I can't reall test these things.   1pE Is VMS now capable of handling a $ASSIGN to an LTA device without the0N IO$M_Access etc bit(eg: can the same code be used to assign a TX port as a LTA port ?   2fI Since  terminal servers don't allow speed and other port parameters to beAJ changed, what happens if I do an IO$_SETMODE operation with a speed changeN request it it to a LTA port ?  Does the driver simply ignore the parameters itN doesn't handle and set those that are relevant to an LTA port, or will it fail and report an error ? M (e.g. can the same IO$_SETMODE be used on TX and LTA ports without problem ?)E   3EK For systems who use TCPIP only, how does an application access a modem on am= TCPIP terminal server ?  What sort of parameters are needed ?p  K (Is it correct to assume that there is no MC LATCP DEFINE PORT LTA8373....   equivalent for TCPIP?)    L While I realise that serial ports are a dying breed and that permanent TCPIPN connections to toasters and the rest of the world are what is coming, it wouldN be nice to have a single $ASSIGN_PORT routine that an application can call andN provide any/all parameters and the routine will use the parameters it needs toQ assign and set a serial port, independant of whether it is a TX, LTA, or TN port.M   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:43:56 -0500r) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> 6 Subject: Re: Serial port programming (TX, LTA, TELNET)7 Message-ID: <04a801bfd32d$618505c0$020a0a0a@xile.realm>e  . JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:  J > For an application which needs to access a modem outbound (dialing out).D > I don' have a terminal server, so I can't reall test these things. >- > 1-G > Is VMS now capable of handling a $ASSIGN to an LTA device without the L > IO$M_Access etc bit(eg: can the same code be used to assign a TX port as a LTA( > port ?  L Been there, done that.  Capability is in OpenVMS 5.5-2 and probably earlier.J You must use LATCP to create the LTAnnn: device and bind it to an existing port before doing the $ASSIGN.  H You can also substitute a reverse TELNET port that was set up before the% $ASSIGN.  So you can use TCP/IP also.    > 2aK > Since  terminal servers don't allow speed and other port parameters to be L > changed, what happens if I do an IO$_SETMODE operation with a speed changeB > request it it to a LTA port ?  Does the driver simply ignore the
 parameters ittK > doesn't handle and set those that are relevant to an LTA port, or will it  fail > and report an error ?eL > (e.g. can the same IO$_SETMODE be used on TX and LTA ports without problem ?)  I Sorry, I have not tried that one, I usually set those things up in DCL asiG PERM characteristics at the same time that I turn /TYPEAHEAD off in thed0 SYSTARTUP_*.COM sequence to prevent login loops.  K Following the $ASSIGN call, I use the IO$_SETMODE to turn TYPEAHEAD back onoE for just that program.  A DCL wrapper to the program can do that also  though.   : This works for all types of serial ports that I have used.   > 3 K > For systems who use TCPIP only, how does an application access a modem on  a ? > TCPIP terminal server ?  What sort of parameters are needed ?e  L > (Is it correct to assume that there is no MC LATCP DEFINE PORT LTA8373.... > equivalent for TCPIP?)  J If your TCPIP program supports reverse TELNET, yes you can set it up.  UCXC 4.x and higher do, and I have seen reports that Multinet does also.l  H > While I realise that serial ports are a dying breed and that permanent TCPIPiJ > connections to toasters and the rest of the world are what is coming, it would L > be nice to have a single $ASSIGN_PORT routine that an application can call andtG > provide any/all parameters and the routine will use the parameters it  needs toJ > assign and set a serial port, independant of whether it is a TX, LTA, or TN port.  L The only difference I have seen is that UCX 4.x does not signal a SS$_HANGUPK if the port connection is lost.  You will need a read time out to determinesL that things are lost.  I also do not have handy a way to delete and recreateE the reverse TELNET port to restore the connection except to use a DCLu7 routine.  (I have not look to hard for a way though :-)d  K This leads to your other GOTCHA, these connections are data only.  For LAT,nH the connection seems to mimic a modem signaling, and you can get this to follow the modem signals.p  G I am not sure that you can do this with Reverse TELNET, since a networkeH disconnect was not signaled.  I have not had a need to try this with UCX6 later than 4.1, as the IP only connection is now gone.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 02:11:03 GMTh( From: Jay Olson <jjo@triton.com.no.spam>6 Subject: Re: Serial port programming (TX, LTA, TELNET)2 Message-ID: <3942F3D9.31A3A417@triton.com.no.spam>   JF Mezei wrote:  > 4 > Is VMS now capable of handling a $ASSIGN to an LTA9 > device without the IO$M_Access etc bit(eg: can the samei2 > code be used to assign a TX port as a LTA port ? >   C I just wrote some code to drive a modem for dial-out, and this partc? works the same for an LTA port as for a "normal" TT or TX port.0  5 > Since  terminal servers don't allow speed and other 8 > port parameters to be changed, what happens if I do an8 > IO$_SETMODE operation with a speed change request to a/ > LTA port ?  Does the driver simply ignore thes5 > parameters it doesn't handle and set those that are 8 > relevant to an LTA port, or will it fail and report an6 > error ? (e.g. can the same IO$_SETMODE be used on TX" > and LTA ports without problem ?)  H I believe the speed change will not return an error, but I haven't triedF it. There are a few IO$_SETMODE parameters which definitely don't workH for LTA devices. These are documented in the I/O Users Reference manual,F and are mainly concerned with modem control. They do in fact return an error indication.   i9 > For systems who use TCPIP only, how does an applicationa8 > access a modem on a TCPIP terminal server ?  What sort > of parameters are needed ?  G If you want to create the terminal device, you need to create a socket.*> Of course, there is no way to sense/control the modem signals.  t4 > (Is it correct to assume that there is no MC LATCP0 > DEFINE PORT LTA8373.... equivalent for TCPIP?)  9 With UCX, I believe the command is TELNET/CREATE_SESSION.   ( 	- Jay Olson (jjo "at" triton "dot" com) 	Triton Software Group LLC   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:40:22 GMTA From: hobbsb@my-deja.com Subject: Re: VAX on Intel?) Message-ID: <8hu5j5$73c$1@nnrp1.deja.com>*  > > The laptop on the other hand I am in the market for, and I'd> > *love* it if that notebook ran VMS native!  That would allow3 > me to do basically everything I want on a laptop.   B Could an Alpha be packaged as a replacement processor for a WintelD system?  The specs for Intel's Pentium III in an SECC package are atC <http://developer.intel.com/design/pentiumiii/datashts/244452.htm>.R  F Would slowing the Alpha chip solve the temperature and power problems,F or should a whole new Alpha chip be developed?  Would any of the olderF chips work?  The SECC package should have enough room for "glue" chips- to convert between Alpha and Pentium signals.a  D Would VMS just require some drivers to handle the Wintel hardware or+ would major structural changes be required?o  H It appears that the SECC package is for desktop boxes, but it's a start.      & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.(   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:23:43 +0200 E From: "David Andreas Alderud" <aaldv97@student.removethispart.vxu.se>G Subject: VMS Security features& Message-ID: <8hu0jc$jl5$1@news.lth.se>  L Hello, I'm interested in hearing about designfeatures that makes VMS secure.F I'm an OpenBSD and FreeBSD user and I'm really interested in the inner workings of OSs.H I've heard people say that VMS has awsome security, but I can't find anyL scientific papers on it. Some said that VMS doesn't have the usual stack andF suid problems of UNIX, so how does the stack and superuser thing work?4 Any pointers to scientific reports are most welcome.   -Thanks1   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:22:57 -0400c, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>" Subject: Re: VMS Security features> Message-ID: <hshubs-451BE0.15225710062000@news.mindspring.com>  ? In article <8hu0jc$jl5$1@news.lth.se>, "David Andreas Alderud" [. <aaldv97@student.removethispart.vxu.se> wrote:  5 >Any pointers to scientific reports are most welcome.s  F VMS doesn't need scientific reports, as it has Actual Documentation.  	 See that.t   -- a Howard S Shubs, the Denim Adeptw   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:32:28 +0200eE From: "David Andreas Alderud" <aaldv97@student.removethispart.vxu.se>a" Subject: Re: VMS Security features& Message-ID: <8hu84o$l7i$1@news.lth.se>  J And where do I find it? I've looked at the OpenVMS security documentation,
 not any good.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:14:00 -0400 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>" Subject: Re: VMS Security features> Message-ID: <hshubs-4D06A9.17140010062000@news.mindspring.com>  ? In article <8hu84o$l7i$1@news.lth.se>, "David Andreas Alderud" d. <aaldv97@student.removethispart.vxu.se> wrote:  K >And where do I find it? I've looked at the OpenVMS security documentation,t >not any good.  F What, exactly, are you trying to find?  How to change passwords?  The H basic organization of the system, i.e. internals?  Something in-between?   --   Howard S Shubs, the Denim Adept    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:13:29 -05000, From: "Glenn C. Everhart" <Everhart@GCE.com>" Subject: Re: VMS Security features' Message-ID: <39428549.10FAC2DC@GCE.com>s   David Andreas Alderud wrote: > N > Hello, I'm interested in hearing about designfeatures that makes VMS secure.H > I'm an OpenBSD and FreeBSD user and I'm really interested in the inner > workings of OSs.J > I've heard people say that VMS has awsome security, but I can't find anyN > scientific papers on it. Some said that VMS doesn't have the usual stack andH > suid problems of UNIX, so how does the stack and superuser thing work?6 > Any pointers to scientific reports are most welcome. > 	 > -Thankss@ You might try the Guide to VMS Security. One thing that enhancesD its security is lack of an all-powerful root. Everything is governed1 by ACLs or userid protection. IT goes far deeper.d  A The main thing though, which won't appear in scientific articles,e; is that VMS is produced in an engineering culture in which i< security problems and data corruption problems are anathema,? treated as showstoppers, and looked for constantly. For exampleh? when commands to change tape skipping behavior to speed up somea= SCSI tape drives were discussed, security implications were ab< prominent part of the design discussion. They had to be, and were, addressed.  : VMS engineering does a LOT of mutual design and code cross; checking, so that the VMS product is the result of over 100 @ very sharp people constantly vetting the code for data integrity; and security. (I suspect this is a rather larger group thani: works on OpenBSD.) Code gets redone and reworked as needed? (so that the V1 VMS system that Dave Cutler contributed to, for ? example, bears only very modest resemblance to the V7.3 product  being worked on today.)w  = THAT is why the system runs as it does. There may be software-> companies that cannot produce carefully done quality software.$ VMS Engineering is not such a place.   Glenn Everhart   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.324 ************************