1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 11 Jun 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 325       Contents:. AS8200 & DS20 & Host-based Shadowing - Risky??
 backup system  Re: backup system  Re: backup system > Re: Canadian Association of Compaq Users Symposium rescheduled Re: Help re: 4000 500 . Re: Microsoft loses, www.compaq.com disappears4 Most humorous worldwide comp.os.vms post of the year% Re: Question on using ASTs for output 9 Re: ramdisk vs. file cache, and the winner is, file cache  Re: Recording CD's on VMS  Re: Recording CD's on VMS + unable to install 7.2-1 on an external disk / Re: unable to install 7.2-1 on an external disk / Re: unable to install 7.2-1 on an external disk  Re: VMS Security features  Re: VMS Security features  Re: VMS Security features  Re: VMS Security features  Re: VMS Security features  Re: VMS Security features  Re: VMS Security features   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:38:17 +0100 / From: "Gerald Marsh" <gerald@cyfer.demon.co.uk> 7 Subject: AS8200 & DS20 & Host-based Shadowing - Risky?? A Message-ID: <960726777.10828.0.nnrp-07.9e984c92@news.demon.co.uk>   K Having suffered a few times from excessive host-based shadow copying over a F three-mile FDDI cluster (with Alphaserver 8200's), we decided on usingD DS20's to support the drives in the case of one of the 8200's die...  D (Apologies for the crappy diagram - Didn't like to attach a binary!)    Site 1:  AS8200 -- HSZ50 -- DS20 ----   FDDI Loop  ----  Site 2:  AS8200 -- HSZ50 -- DS20  E All systems are clustered via FDDI - one 8200 plus DS20 on each site.   I Now for the interesting bit!  The 8200's are running OpenVMS V6.2-1H3 but # the DS20's will run OpenVMS V7.2-1.   L Although Compaq support this config, I would be interested to know if anyoneF has attempted anything like this. I wonder about the complexity of theA shadowing software on the nodes connected via the HSZ SCSI paths!   K Any help/advice/gotchas gratefully received. (I'll email a GIF or something ' if anyone needs a real config diagram.)    Thanks in eager anticipation!    Gerald.    -- Gerald Marsh - Director  Cyfer Solutions Ltd  email: gerald@cyfer.demon.co.uk " URL: http://www.cyfer.demon.co.uk/    Beware! IT Bytes        begin 666 Gerald Marsh.vcf= M0D5'24XZ5D-!4D0-"E9%4E-)3TXZ,BXQ#0I..DUA<G-H.T=E<F%L9 T*1DXZ = M1V5R86QD($UA<G-H#0I/4D<Z0WEF97(@4V]L=71I;VYS($QI;71E9 T*5$E4 = M3$4Z1&ER96-T;W(-"D5-04E,.U!2148[24Y415).150Z9V5R86QD0&-Y9F5R = M+F1E;6]N+F-O+G5K#0I2158Z,C P,# V,3%4,3(S.#$W6@T*14Y$.E9#05)$  "#0H`  `  end    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 03:40:01 -0700 2 From: vmsinmich <snomotorNOsnSPAM@aol.com.invalid> Subject: backup system9 Message-ID: <292d8032.588ab146@usw-ex0106-044.remarq.com>   H I am used rsx11 operating system but I am have a vax2000 that has vms onG it and I want to restore the hard drive using a stand alone backup that > came with the machine. I have not been able to firgure out the5 procedure or comands. Does anyone know what they are?     L * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *G The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:43:06 +0200 > From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> Subject: Re: backup system2 Message-ID: <8hvtsv$bn9$1@s2.feed.news.oleane.net>  ; First you shoud initialize TWO tk50 like SYST01 and SYST02.  Do it under your running VMS. , Is your standalone backup on tape or disk ?. If on disk : >>> B/E0000000 DUA0  thenI XXXX> backup/image/verify/label=(SYST01,SYST02) dua: mua0:SYSTEM.BCK/save   I Do not forget to build a standalone kit on tape in case our disk crashes.   I If your standalone is on tape, just boot the tape (no b/... required if I / remember correctly) and the same backup command    Jean-Franois Marchal  X9000 - LYON    ? "vmsinmich" <snomotorNOsnSPAM@aol.com.invalid> wrote in message 3 news:292d8032.588ab146@usw-ex0106-044.remarq.com... J > I am used rsx11 operating system but I am have a vax2000 that has vms onI > it and I want to restore the hard drive using a stand alone backup that @ > came with the machine. I have not been able to firgure out the7 > procedure or comands. Does anyone know what they are?  >  > L > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * I > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 08:50:31 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: backup system7 Message-ID: <200006110850_MC2-A848-BD3C@compuserve.com>   J         Since he wanted to RESTORE the system disk, the command would be:=    J BACKUP /IMAGE /VERIFY  MUA0:<saveset_name> /LABEL=3D(<label1,label2) DUA0= :   5         To learn the tape label and the saveset name:    BACKUP /LIST MUA0:A and type Ctrl_Y as soon as you see the first few lines of output.   ,         To boot standalone backup from tape:  
 >>> B MUA0    B         If the system is running, HELP BACKUP  might prove useful.    . Message text written by "Jean-Franois Marchal"< >First you shoud initialize TWO tk50 like SYST01 and SYST02. Do it under your running VMS. , Is your standalone backup on tape or disk ?. If on disk : >>> B/E0000000 DUA0  thenJ XXXX> backup/image/verify/label=3D(SYST01,SYST02) dua: mua0:SYSTEM.BCK/sa= ve  J Do not forget to build a standalone kit on tape in case our disk crashes.=    J If your standalone is on tape, just boot the tape (no b/... required if I=  / remember correctly) and the same backup command    Jean-Fran=E7ois Marchal  X9000 - LYON    ? "vmsinmich" <snomotorNOsnSPAM@aol.com.invalid> wrote in message 3 news:292d8032.588ab146@usw-ex0106-044.remarq.com... J > I am used rsx11 operating system but I am have a vax2000 that has vms o= n J > it and I want to restore the hard drive using a stand alone backup that=  @ > came with the machine. I have not been able to firgure out the7 > procedure or comands. Does anyone know what they are?  >  <    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:54:59 GMT 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) G Subject: Re: Canadian Association of Compaq Users Symposium rescheduled + Message-ID: <6iJNoVN1Cj$2@eisner.decus.org>   N In article <3941cafd.63221020@24.2.9.60>, iuso@ulose.com (Joseph Iuso) writes: > Hi everyone; > H > First off, let me introduce myself.  My name is Joseph Iuso.  I am the@ > current President for the Canadian Tandem Users Group, and theE > Director of Finance for the Canadian Association of Compaq Users.    > C > There have been many excellent suggestions, and sometimes, not so H > wanted, but very well deserved criticism posted on the DECUS newsgroupG > for a while.  For the critics, you're right, for that I would like to   > offer my sincerest apologies.  > H > This criticism will probably continue to exist for quite some time, asG > you vent out your frustration with what has been happening. This will / > at least allow the pressure to be relieved.     ; I believe a lot of the criticism from the VMS segment would < die off if your organization would just fix the VMS Hobbyist; Program for use by citizens of Canada.  It has been _years_ < since I read comments about any Canadian conferences or lack> thereof (aside from the recent post by the other CACU leader).  ; The VMS Hobbyist Program, however, lets individuals run VMS ; in their home on any compatible equipment they have (and 20 9 year old 11/780 machines are quite cheap by now :-).  The = only catch is that you can only participate with the blessing < of your home country DECUS (or replacement) organization. In? the beginning there were problems in certain European countries > which seem to have been fixed (at least the postings have been	 reduced).   = From Canada, however, the complaints have continued unabated. : There was apparently a clearly named individual at CACU to< contact, and no reported success stories at getting into the VMS hobbyist plan.  < You may see a long list of tasks ahead, but this is the only> one the whole world has read about.  There is an old song that8 goes: "Make Someone happy; make just one Someone happy."   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Jun 2000 07:45:14 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.044962.killspam.0138 (Wayne Sewell)  Subject: Re: Help re: 4000 500. Message-ID: <i6HkxILIUkwr@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  R In article <3942D1C1.39929522@freewwweb.com>, Pat <unixguyz@freewwweb.com> writes:D > I've worked with RS6000s and Sparcs for over 20yrs, but never VAX. > G > So in a week moment thinking I should see how VMS and Vaxen work I'll ? > pick a retired one up from a customer who was retiring a few.  >   ! That's what we like to hear.  :-)      > So I need a little direction.  > J > It is a 4000 500 no HD but numerous SCSI connectors 6 Centrinics 50s and# > 4 hd 50s no idea how much memory.  > H > Can anyone help me out with the pin out of the native serial port so ID > can at least hook a console up to it and find out what devices are > attached.  > I > And maybe even a resource to what the numerouse connectors and switches . > are on the side panel eg: M0 S1, S2 etc are. > G > Some of the board #s are ... M9047-00, KZQSA and 3 boards with 2 SCSI & > centronics each and an offset RJ35 ? > ! > Thanks in advance for any help.  >   K I'm not familiar with the 4000 series personally, except for the vaxstation 9 4000 models, but there are plenty of people here who are.     C HTML format on-line product documentation sets for specific Compaq  C OpenVMS products (including vms itself) are presently available at:   &   http://www.openvms.digital.com:8000/%   http://www.openvms.digital.com/doc/ ,   http://www.openvms.digital.com/commercial/    D You will find the doc set extremely useful, covering a wide range ofK information about vms for users, programmers, and system administrators (we L call them system managers is the vms world).  I think you will be pleasantlyK surprised by the documentation, especially coming from the unix world.  :-)   : Various hardware and system documentation is available at:  1   http://www.digital.com/lists/QB_archive_HD.html ;   http://www.europe.digital.com/info/CUHOME/BACK_ISSUES.HTM ?   http://www.compaq.com/support/techpubs/user_reference_guides/   E Who knows, the online manual for the 4000 series might be there.  :-)     " The place to start is the VMS FAQ:  9   The OpenVMS FAQ is archived in the following locations:   :     http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html9     ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/dec-faq/OpenVMS.txt 1     ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/dec-faq/vms :     ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/dec-faq/vms,     comp.answers and news.answers newsgroups  A   Other internet FAQs are generally available in these locations:   ,     comp.answers and news.answers newsgroups%     ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/...   ?   User-created HTML versions of the OpenVMS FAQ are located at:        http://www.kjsl.com/vmsfaq'     http://eisner.decus.org/vms/faq.htm      Wayne    --  O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== C Jake Blues: "Sell me your children!  How much for the little girl?"    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:03:35 -0700 * From: "Nikita V. Belenki" <kit@nospam.net>7 Subject: Re: Microsoft loses, www.compaq.com disappears : Message-ID: <MtG05.1010$Qf6.40247@nuq-read.news.verio.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:393F08D2.95B46201@videotron.ca...  I > And I still wonder why Compaq chose to side with Microsoft when all the  others* > either stayed quiet or sided against MS.  I Isn't it because Compaq is paying the lowest OEM prices for Windows among  all(?) billybox makers?    Kit. kit # kits.net   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:41:01 GMT 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) = Subject: Most humorous worldwide comp.os.vms post of the year + Message-ID: <clDHc+GgZpAV@eisner.decus.org>   " > For now, please keep this quiet.   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Jun 2000 06:24:32 GMT- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) . Subject: Re: Question on using ASTs for output5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-ldlY4jqdIZLl@localhost>   E On Sun, 9 Jun 3900 07:50:00, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote:   D > Other than that, for even more performance you'd have to deal withI > subprocesses or threads (which I would imagine is a bit of a pain to do F > in Fortran, although I havn't tried) to process the commands you get  ? The simple use of DECThreads in Fortran is relatively straight  C forward. My app has 9 running, and even uses the Fortran file I/O.  F This has not presented a problem on Alpha but does cause the recusive C I/O error on VAX under heavy load. The screen o/p is done with the  C aforementioned  LIB$PUT_OUTPUT after all formatting is done.. This  D will become an SMG app when we've time (I've been saying that for 3  years!).  F The VAX/ELN server  part of the app has also been ported to DECThreadsD for testing under VMS. This uses about 15 threads and is nearly all  Fortran too.   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:28:39 +0100 / From: "Gerald Marsh" <gerald@cyfer.demon.co.uk> B Subject: Re: ramdisk vs. file cache, and the winner is, file cacheA Message-ID: <960726347.10683.0.nnrp-07.9e984c92@news.demon.co.uk>   7 "Rob Young" <young_r@eisner.decus.org> wrote in message % news:BcSrFmEWZUwt@eisner.decus.org...  > L > In article <8hug3h$s81@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:   Snip   > > > So maybe RamDisk is still a huge win as your other shadowsetA > members are real disks and the *slowest* you do I/O is when you ? > have to touch the RamDisk, faster I/O is cached locally.. and @ > then the point Bill raised in his long explanation is it seemsD > to be a bit of overkill (or similar phrasing).. but when you gottaC > be blazingly fast, seems RamDisk in shared memory is still a huge 
 > win :-). > B > By the way, been following what you are doing here.. good stuff. >  > Rob  >     G I noticed file highwater marking - Does this make any difference on Ram 0 disks? (It certainly used to on "normal" disks!)   (Keep up the good work!)   Gerald.      -- Gerald Marsh - Director  Cyfer Solutions Ltd  email: gerald@cyfer.demon.co.uk " URL: http://www.cyfer.demon.co.uk/    Beware! IT Bytes    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:43:17 GMT 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) " Subject: Re: Recording CD's on VMS+ Message-ID: <ge5X8dov3MOm@eisner.decus.org>   Z In article <8hrnio$kgu$1@news3.inter.net.il>, "Alexey Efron" <aefron@zahav.net.il> writes:  F >     Can anybody advice me on a way of creating CD's readable on VMS?  > Buy a used InfoServer with a CD-R license and a suitable (old)
 CD burner.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:23:05 +0100   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com" Subject: Re: Recording CD's on VMS> Message-ID: <802568FB.003EA0D4.00@qedilc01.qedi.quintiles.com>   Arne wrote/quoted: >>>Alexey Efron wrote:F >     Can anybody advice me on a way of creating CD's readable on VMS?) >     I've got HP SpeedWriter 9200, SCSI. N >     Is there any software for VMS or NT that allows creation and duplication > of CD's in VMS format?   The simple approach is to:2   - create a CD image on VMS with DFY$VMS_CD or LD/   - transfer that file to a PC with a CD burner    - burn the image  < But it is also possible to connect a CD burner directly to a VMS box.<<<   L I'm not sure if you could use the resulting CD for a master in a duplicationO process, but over the last few days I've had some success using LD062 (from the N freeware CD) to create a virtual disk device on an AlphaServer which I've then7 been able to burn on a Yamaha CD-R drive using CDWRITE.0  P Although the resulting CDs seem to have an issue with the Storage Control Block,N one of the disks did have a minimum boot/backup kit for Alpha on it and it did boot successfully.  F As with all of these solutions, YMMV and it isn't supported by Compaq.   Steve.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:03:37 +0200 > From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>4 Subject: unable to install 7.2-1 on an external disk2 Message-ID: <8hvo2f$a3n$1@s2.feed.news.oleane.net>   Bonjour  tous !  ; I'm in great trouble with my home office VMS configuration.   B After the field service replaced one of my failing (system) disks, I got the following errors :  ? 1.- Unable to install VMS 7.2-1 via the CD on the replaced disk > 2.- Unable to backup an existing systemem disk to the new disk  @ I've performed many tests but I am not able to determine what is> the cause of my problems, so I would appreciate any help about this situation.s  D I have reduced my dual host cluster configuration to the following :  B      PWS 433 au                                           BA356-KHD     +----------+               differential             +----------+D    A| KZPBA-CB |----------------------------------------| BA35X-DA |D     |          |                                        |          |E     |          |                                 QUORUM | RZ1DD-VW |0SE     |          |                                        | RZ1DD-VW |1tE     |          |      BA353                        DSA2 | RZ1DD-VW |2oE     |          |    +---5------2------6---+             | RZ1DD-VW |3hE    B| KZPBA-CA |----| TLZ07  RZ28M  RRD43 |        DSA2 | RZ1DD-VW |4iD     |  |       |    +---------------------+             |          |D     |  0-RZ1CC |                                        |          |D     |  1-RZ1CC |                                        | PWR      |D     +----------+                                        +----------+  A and modified the system environment variable PKA0_SOFT_TERM to ON = (I previously used Y cables for each SCSI attached equipment)g> I also modified the switches of the shelf IO module to all OFF to re-enable local termination.6  5 My running system disk is DKB100, only member of DSA1. booted from root 73, alloclas is 73$ port allocation class for PKA0 is 70  D I had to move the system to DKB100 from its original disk $70$DKA100= because of two successive disk failures of DKA100 and DKA300.0B The system was okay since last september when I added the external disk subsystem.:  = This system disk has been entirely rebuilt with OpenVMS 7.2-1 $ with the following patches applied : - DNVOSIA   ECO 01 - UPDATE    v1.0 - PCSI      v1.0 - DQCONFIG  v2.0 - SYS       v5.0  B When DKA300 was replaced, I issued an ANALYZE/MEDIA/EXERCISE whichH produced NO errors. Then I used the 7.2-1 CD to backup DKB100 to DKA300., The backup ended with lots of verify errors.  ! Now on the reduced configuration. A - any image backup of DKB100 or DKB200 to $70$DKA300 or $70$DK100N>   fails on verify (when booted either from the distribution cd   or from my patched system)? - any fresh vmsinstal (Vms + Motif + DECnetPlus + Tcp/IP) fails    with the following error :   0%...10%...20%...30%7   %PCSI-I-PRCOUTPUT, output from subprocess follows ...$%   %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation,        reason mask=00        virtual address = 4521E200       PC = 342B0
       PS = 1Bs?   %PCSI-E-MODREPLERR, error replacing module ANALYZE in library0
 DCLTABLES.EXEh   -F-ACCVIO, access violation,       reason mask =!XB       virtual address = !XHn       PC = !XL       PS = !XL$   %PCSI-E-OPFAILED, operation failedA   Terminating is strongly recommended. Do you want to terminate ?u  ) To track the error, I did the following :b2 - cleanup all fans ... to prevent any heat problem* - change the CD from another brand new kit% - reduce the configuration like above86 - change the SCSI cable (of the reduced configuration) - change the KZPBA-CB adapter ( - set PKA0_MODE to FAST instead of ULTRA> - replaced the KZPBA-CB (differential) with a KZPBA-CA (fast),3   along with a change of the IO module of the shelfr7   from DS-BA35X-DA (differential) to DS-BA35X-FA (fast)a3 - replaced the BA356 with a RAIDarray 310 with RZ29.  @ In each case I got the same symptoms (install or backup failure)  E Before I changed the shelf with a RAIDarray, I was thinking the shelf-J was faulty. Now I'm really puzzled. Could there be a mistake in my tests ?D Another test to issue ? Except for a second PWS, I've no more spares at home to check with ...-  G The external disk subsystem is still under warranty (not undercontact), E so it will not be very simple to have everything checked by the fieldn service.       Jean-Franois Marchal  X9000 - LYON   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:26:33 +0200e> From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>8 Subject: Re: unable to install 7.2-1 on an external disk2 Message-ID: <8i0ege$gfh$1@s2.feed.news.oleane.net>   A few supplementary tests ...e  0 - same situation after changing the 256Mb memory8 - checked some files after faulty backup ... the created?   file has only a dozen good chars, some else, then end of file.0   so more then 200 records missing during backup  E should I remember that everything backed up between disks on the fast . KZPBA-CA is correct on the same configuration.  
 Any idea ?    I "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote in message , news:8hvo2f$a3n$1@s2.feed.news.oleane.net... > Bonjour  tous ! > = > I'm in great trouble with my home office VMS configuration.o >sD > After the field service replaced one of my failing (system) disks, > I got the following errors : >eA > 1.- Unable to install VMS 7.2-1 via the CD on the replaced disk @ > 2.- Unable to backup an existing systemem disk to the new disk >pB > I've performed many tests but I am not able to determine what is@ > the cause of my problems, so I would appreciate any help about > this situation.- >-F > I have reduced my dual host cluster configuration to the following : >iD >      PWS 433 au                                           BA356-KHF >     +----------+               differential             +----------+F >    A| KZPBA-CB |----------------------------------------| BA35X-DA |F >     |          |                                        |          |G >     |          |                                 QUORUM | RZ1DD-VW |0oG >     |          |                                        | RZ1DD-VW |1 G >     |          |      BA353                        DSA2 | RZ1DD-VW |2lG >     |          |    +---5------2------6---+             | RZ1DD-VW |3dG >    B| KZPBA-CA |----| TLZ07  RZ28M  RRD43 |        DSA2 | RZ1DD-VW |4,F >     |  |       |    +---------------------+             |          |F >     |  0-RZ1CC |                                        |          |F >     |  1-RZ1CC |                                        | PWR      |F >     +----------+                                        +----------+ > C > and modified the system environment variable PKA0_SOFT_TERM to ONa? > (I previously used Y cables for each SCSI attached equipment)z@ > I also modified the switches of the shelf IO module to all OFF! > to re-enable local termination.h >o7 > My running system disk is DKB100, only member of DSA1  > booted from root 73, > alloclas is 73& > port allocation class for PKA0 is 70 >cF > I had to move the system to DKB100 from its original disk $70$DKA100? > because of two successive disk failures of DKA100 and DKA300.cD > The system was okay since last september when I added the external > disk subsystem.h >e? > This system disk has been entirely rebuilt with OpenVMS 7.2-1 & > with the following patches applied : > - DNVOSIA   ECO 01 > - UPDATE    v1.0 > - PCSI      v1.0 > - DQCONFIG  v2.0 > - SYS       v5.0 > D > When DKA300 was replaced, I issued an ANALYZE/MEDIA/EXERCISE whichJ > produced NO errors. Then I used the 7.2-1 CD to backup DKB100 to DKA300.. > The backup ended with lots of verify errors. >n# > Now on the reduced configuration.eC > - any image backup of DKB100 or DKB200 to $70$DKA300 or $70$DK100o@ >   fails on verify (when booted either from the distribution cd >   or from my patched system)A > - any fresh vmsinstal (Vms + Motif + DECnetPlus + Tcp/IP) fails  >   with the following error : >   0%...10%...20%...30%9 >   %PCSI-I-PRCOUTPUT, output from subprocess follows ...y' >   %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation,i >       reason mask=00" >       virtual address = 4521E200 >       PC = 342B0 >       PS = 1B A >   %PCSI-E-MODREPLERR, error replacing module ANALYZE in librarys > DCLTABLES.EXEi  >   -F-ACCVIO, access violation, >       reason mask =!XB >       virtual address = !XH  >       PC = !XL >       PS = !XL& >   %PCSI-E-OPFAILED, operation failedC >   Terminating is strongly recommended. Do you want to terminate ?o >w+ > To track the error, I did the following :I4 > - cleanup all fans ... to prevent any heat problem, > - change the CD from another brand new kit' > - reduce the configuration like aboveo8 > - change the SCSI cable (of the reduced configuration) > - change the KZPBA-CB adaptero* > - set PKA0_MODE to FAST instead of ULTRA@ > - replaced the KZPBA-CB (differential) with a KZPBA-CA (fast),5 >   along with a change of the IO module of the shelf 9 >   from DS-BA35X-DA (differential) to DS-BA35X-FA (fast)05 > - replaced the BA356 with a RAIDarray 310 with RZ29  > B > In each case I got the same symptoms (install or backup failure) >pG > Before I changed the shelf with a RAIDarray, I was thinking the shelftL > was faulty. Now I'm really puzzled. Could there be a mistake in my tests ?F > Another test to issue ? Except for a second PWS, I've no more spares > at home to check with ...a >dI > The external disk subsystem is still under warranty (not undercontact),sG > so it will not be very simple to have everything checked by the fieldi
 > service. >y >u >i > Jean-Franois Marchal  > X9000 - LYON >r >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:44:50 -0400b* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>8 Subject: Re: unable to install 7.2-1 on an external disk- Message-ID: <3943C202.18AF0834@tsoft-inc.com>u   "Jean-Franois Marchal" wrote: >  > A few supplementary tests ...f > 2 > - same situation after changing the 256Mb memory: > - checked some files after faulty backup ... the createdA >   file has only a dozen good chars, some else, then end of filez2 >   so more then 200 records missing during backup > G > should I remember that everything backed up between disks on the fastm0 > KZPBA-CA is correct on the same configuration. >  > Any idea ?  O Not really.  The KZPBA-CB, has it been changed, or have all tests been with theiD same SCSI controller?  Sounds like this is where the problems start.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:35:43 +0200oE From: "David Andreas Alderud" <aaldv97@student.removethispart.vxu.se>t" Subject: Re: VMS Security features& Message-ID: <8hvf0b$10n$1@news.lth.se>  G > What, exactly, are you trying to find?  How to change passwords?  The=J > basic organization of the system, i.e. internals?  Something in-between?  I I'm looking for the internals, the other stuff is interesting too, but my-L main interest is in the core OS design. Since most security holes have to doF with buffer overruns, I'm really interested in hearing about the stackL design. Or like distributed services, realtime features and filesystem, etc.K Why I'm I so interested in the technical solutions? Well, I'm doing my M SccJ thesis this summer, I'm a UNIX hardcore and I know how bad the UNIX designL is. I'm going to write the paper about how other OSs, that are better from aH security standpoint, does to handle security and why one should use them where security matters. F If I find the correct material to read, you can probably look at it as% promotion of your favourite platform.s  K Right now, I'm reading up on QNX4 and Neutrino2, they look really good, I'ds love to take a stab at VMS too.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:51:26 +0200-E From: "David Andreas Alderud" <aaldv97@student.removethispart.vxu.se>@" Subject: Re: VMS Security features& Message-ID: <8hvftq$14u$1@news.lth.se>  B > You might try the Guide to VMS Security. One thing that enhancesF > its security is lack of an all-powerful root. Everything is governed3 > by ACLs or userid protection. IT goes far deeper.o  . Nice. I'll try to find that guide later today.B That the superuser root is missing sounds like a really good idea.  C > The main thing though, which won't appear in scientific articles,s< > is that VMS is produced in an engineering culture in which> > security problems and data corruption problems are anathema,A > treated as showstoppers, and looked for constantly. For exampleVA > when commands to change tape skipping behavior to speed up somen? > SCSI tape drives were discussed, security implications were ac> > prominent part of the design discussion. They had to be, and > were, addressed.  K This is what I want to hear, and I also want to read about the solutions in  detail. K (That's why I want good papers that I can refer too, so I can put quotes in- my M Sc thesis.)A I've been looking for stuff about this for weeks without success.   < > VMS engineering does a LOT of mutual design and code cross= > checking, so that the VMS product is the result of over 1001B > very sharp people constantly vetting the code for data integrity= > and security. (I suspect this is a rather larger group thanc< > works on OpenBSD.) Code gets redone and reworked as neededA > (so that the V1 VMS system that Dave Cutler contributed to, for A > example, bears only very modest resemblance to the V7.3 product  > being worked on today.)t  H The problem with OpenBSD, from a security standpoint, is that it is UNIX like.cH They have done an exelent job, no remote root exploit for 3 years and noL lokal for 2 years, and if I remember correctly OpenBSD was released in 1996, I started using it in 97.eH But the horrible suid and stack problems are still there, so if one addsL something that doesn't belong to the core distribution, one can not count on$ beeing secure. A fatal flaw in UNIX.G It sounds good that VMS security design contains more than just exploit", considerations, like data security on disks.  ? > THAT is why the system runs as it does. There may be softwareg@ > companies that cannot produce carefully done quality software.& > VMS Engineering is not such a place.  H I agree, and if you got any links to papers about it, I'd love to get my hands on them.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:10:35 GMT89 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)3" Subject: Re: VMS Security features+ Message-ID: <UuRz25hvsYdF@eisner.decus.org>   n In article <8hvf0b$10n$1@news.lth.se>, "David Andreas Alderud" <aaldv97@student.removethispart.vxu.se> writes:H >> What, exactly, are you trying to find?  How to change passwords?  TheK >> basic organization of the system, i.e. internals?  Something in-between?C > K > I'm looking for the internals, the other stuff is interesting too, but mye  @ Then you need a book that is _not_ part of the documentation butC purchased separately from Digital Press (a division of Butterworth-iC Heimann(sp?)) called "OpenVMS Internals and Data Structures".  OverwA the years it has come in many form factors (all hardcopy) but foraA your purposes I would say having the latest edition is not at all C important.  The basic approaches have not changed in the transition 9 from VAX to Alpha.  Check out a local scientific library.o  N > main interest is in the core OS design. Since most security holes have to doH > with buffer overruns, I'm really interested in hearing about the stack  D If you look at VMS security holes (and there have been some over theB past 20 years), the generalization "most security holes have to do? with buffer overruns" is not correct.  Aside from official CERTnD bulletins in recent years, however, it is not easy to find out aboutC VMS security holes that just get quietly fixed (when no cracker has  spread an attack around).t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:05:52 +0200-E From: "David Andreas Alderud" <aaldv97@student.removethispart.vxu.se>n" Subject: Re: VMS Security features& Message-ID: <8i02b9$5ap$1@news.lth.se>  J > > I'm looking for the internals, the other stuff is interesting too, but my >uB > Then you need a book that is _not_ part of the documentation butE > purchased separately from Digital Press (a division of Butterworth-iE > Heimann(sp?)) called "OpenVMS Internals and Data Structures".  OveriC > the years it has come in many form factors (all hardcopy) but foreC > your purposes I would say having the latest edition is not at alllE > important.  The basic approaches have not changed in the transition ; > from VAX to Alpha.  Check out a local scientific library.s  H Thanks, they don't ream to have it here at the scientific library at the5 university, but I'll guess I'll order it from Amazon.   J > > main interest is in the core OS design. Since most security holes have to do-J > > with buffer overruns, I'm really interested in hearing about the stack > F > If you look at VMS security holes (and there have been some over theD > past 20 years), the generalization "most security holes have to doA > with buffer overruns" is not correct.  Aside from official CERT F > bulletins in recent years, however, it is not easy to find out aboutE > VMS security holes that just get quietly fixed (when no cracker has4 > spread an attack around).i  L I was not refering to VMS, only to OSs in general, I don't know enough aboutL VMS to make such a statement :). Someone once told me that VMS didn't sufferH from buffer overruns the way other OS does, so I'm interested in how theL stack is implemented. I'll guess I'll see how it's done when I buy the book.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:13:24 -0400a, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>" Subject: Re: VMS Security features> Message-ID: <hshubs-D188D8.09132411062000@news.mindspring.com>  ? In article <8hvf0b$10n$1@news.lth.se>, "David Andreas Alderud" l. <aaldv97@student.removethispart.vxu.se> wrote:  J >I'm looking for the internals, the other stuff is interesting too, but myK >main interest is in the core OS design. Since most security holes have to    F Internals literature is available directly from Compaq.  I don't know B details of how you'd currently get a hold of it.  Older internals @ documentation is available too, but I don't know if it would be C sufficient to you.  It's also possible, though expensive, to get a a source license.u   -- N Howard S Shubs, the Denim Adeptc   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:17:02 -0400k, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>" Subject: Re: VMS Security features> Message-ID: <hshubs-DFB3A4.09170211062000@news.mindspring.com>  ? In article <8i02b9$5ap$1@news.lth.se>, "David Andreas Alderud" f. <aaldv97@student.removethispart.vxu.se> wrote:  H >I was not refering to VMS, only to OSs in general, I don't know enough  >aboutG >VMS to make such a statement :). Someone once told me that VMS didn't S >sufferCI >from buffer overruns the way other OS does, so I'm interested in how the1H >stack is implemented. I'll guess I'll see how it's done when I buy the  >book.  D I think it has largely to do with the VMS calling standard, which I F consider one of VMS's strengths.  This is documented in a part of the 
 full doc set.   E The calling standard allows one to make interoperative languages and .C debuggers, and "strings" or buffers with actual lengths instead of nE zero-termination.  Note that the C library still uses ASCIZ strings, C though, as far as I know.t   -- u Howard S Shubs, the Denim Adept    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:38:18 -0500C) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> " Subject: Re: VMS Security features. Message-ID: <sk78o0uah5199@corp.supernews.com>  F David Andreas Alderud <aaldv97@student.removethispart.vxu.se> wrote in( message news:8i02b9$5ap$1@news.lth.se...L > > > I'm looking for the internals, the other stuff is interesting too, but > my  K A quick search of the Internet using http://www.nlsearch.com and the searchi5 string "OpenVMS and Security" reveals 12877 articles.o  L While many of them are links back the on line documentation set, quite a fewJ of them point to DECUS, other symposium presentations, and college papers.= Many of them should have the information you are looking for.i  = You can also search the Archives of comp.os.vms (info-vax) ate0 http://www.deja.com with the same search string.   -John- wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.325 ************************