1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 12 Jun 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 327       Contents: Autogen  Re: Autogen ) Re: Canadian Hobbyists ( was re: CANACU ) ) Re: Canadian Hobbyists ( was re: CANACU )   Re: Console Monitoring Software. Re: Internet VMSCluster  RE: Internet VMSCluster  JBC$COMMAND query  Re: JBC$COMMAND query  Re: Process States9 Re: ramdisk vs. file cache, and the winner is, file cache 9 Re: ramdisk vs. file cache, and the winner is, file cache ' RMS adn SMB file shares problem (SAMBA)  Re: TAR FOR VMS?+ Tru64 Unix Clustering with OpenVMS Clusters ! UCX problems after network glitch % Re: UCX problems after network glitch % Re: UCX problems after network glitch % Re: UCX problems after network glitch / Re: unable to install 7.2-1 on an external disk / Re: unable to install 7.2-1 on an external disk  Re: vaxstation LED meanings? Re: VMS Security features  re: VMS Security features   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:46:06 GMT ) From: sfm1115@bjcmail.carenet.org (Shawn)  Subject: Autogen1 Message-ID: <3944f6e9.329380844@news.starnet.net>   7 If I were to run Autogen with the following parameters:    savparams setparams feedback  A will this get feedback from the running system and set the values , without a reboot, or should I use genparams.  F The system is an Alpha 2100, running OpenVMS 7.2-1, TCP/IP 5.0 and all the necessary patches.   Thanks   Shawn    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:33:42 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>  Subject: Re: Autogen) Message-ID: <39451EF6.5E65EB80@bbc.co.uk>    Shawn wrote:  9 > If I were to run Autogen with the following parameters:  >  > savparams setparams feedback > C > will this get feedback from the running system and set the values . > without a reboot, or should I use genparams.  @ My understanding is the parameters will be set (as the "current" parameters) ' but not ACTIVated until after a reboot.   F The autogen help on VMS 7.1 seems to suffer from terminology overload.F It says that setparams sets the DEFAULT parameters. However, in SYSGENH terminology, this is what I understand as CURRENT parameters (those used at the next ) boot) whereas the DEFAULT paramaters are:   2     " parameter values that are built into SYSGEN;F        these values allow the operating system to boot on any standard        configuration."  : OK, if I'm wrong, I guess I'll hear from you all about it.     > H > The system is an Alpha 2100, running OpenVMS 7.2-1, TCP/IP 5.0 and all > the necessary patches. >  > Thanks >  > Shawn    --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:55:53 -0400 1 From: "Alain Legault" <alain.legault@nrcan.gc.ca> 2 Subject: Re: Canadian Hobbyists ( was re: CANACU )+ Message-ID: <8i2mmh$r8n12@nrn2.NRCan.gc.ca>    > K > This leads me to beleive that the new organisation never propagated their  new & > list to the hobbyist administrators.  J You are misled.  The list was handed over tho monagar a long time ago.  An
 investigation 9 is under way to find out why it did not funcion properly.   K > The name used in canada seems totally random to me and has no association  withF > what DECUS/ITUG in the rest of the world are doing. They should have	 called it F > DECUS-TUG Canada until the rest of the world decides on a real name.  G As was said many times the name is provisional until a worldwide naming 	 scheme is 
 put in place.   
 Alain Legault    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:26:08 -0400 1 From: "Alain Legault" <alain.legault@nrcan.gc.ca> 2 Subject: Re: Canadian Hobbyists ( was re: CANACU )+ Message-ID: <8i330n$r2815@nrn2.NRCan.gc.ca>   K > The name used in canada seems totally random to me and has no association  withF > what DECUS/ITUG in the rest of the world are doing. They should have	 called it F > DECUS-TUG Canada until the rest of the world decides on a real name.  J I am happy that you changed your mind as evidenced by the following except from the  DECUS Canada Board minutes :-)))  1      "Jean-Francois indicated that the outcome of J     the Global Advisory meeting had no relevance on the Canadian chapter."  I     (Note: Jean-Francois refers to Jean-Francois (JF) Mezei, former DECUS  CanadaE     Board Member, appointed June 26 1998, resigned December 3, 1998.)       
 Alain Legault    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Jun 2000 13:25:15 -05001 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) ) Subject: Re: Console Monitoring Software. + Message-ID: <n2Bu1+Sop0GF@eisner.decus.org>   e In article <8hir38$mpo$11$1@news.t-online.com>, "Stuart Symonds" <Stuart.Symonds@t-online.de> writes: M > Today I learnt that a product called TNG Console Manager developed first by N > Digital and now by Computer Associates is being dropped. TNG Console ManagerN > is a fine product and from my understanding is in fairly wide spread use. CAL > have developed there own none VMS version that runs under NT but from whatN > I've heard is only half as capable as the older product and twice the price! > M > I have heard of one VMS based product called Console Works by TECSYS, is it ! > any good, and are there others?   G For a list of alternatives to the Polycenter Products "abducted" by CA, J refer to the openVMS roadmap System managements, third party solutions at C http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/roadmap/openvms_roadmaps.htm    	Bob Kaplow	  E SPAM:	spamrecycle@ChooseYourmail.com	uce@ftc.gov	postmaster@127.0.0.1    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:05:37 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>  Subject: Re: Internet VMSCluster+ Message-ID: <8i2clg$tds@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   R "Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to reply)" <operagost@e-mail.com> wrote in message$ news:39444BF0.530159DF@e-mail.com...  N > However, perhaps I'm mistaken in my belief that load balancing is supported.  @ Yes. If you want load balancing you have to use DNS round robin.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:04:04 -0400 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>   Subject: RE: Internet VMSClusterJ Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D8052843C5@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   Steven,   C The TCPIP load balancing for OpenVMS does indeed work and it is not L dependant on a VMS cluster being in place unless you want access to the same( files at the same time from all systems.  I The problem with the standard DNS round robin load balancing is that if a H system goes down, there is nothing to tell the DNS "do not send any more clients to me ..".    B The TCPIP V5.x software has a feature called the Load Broker whichE communicates with each server in the TCPIP cluster alias (not the VMS E cluster alias) and updates the cluster alias in the standard DNS (any L platform as long as it is BIND 8.1.2 compliant) with respect to which is the least loaded system.  I Cool thing about this capability is that by setting logins=0 on a system, J you can effectively allow current users to continue working, but force allJ new user connections to other systems in the TCPIP cluster alias. When allI user / database connections have moved to other systems, then that system I can be shut down or rebooted etc - all with ZERO impact to the end users. H Great for planned maint such as HW/SW upgrades, tuning reboots, OS patch reboots etc   L There are a few situations that need additional considerations (long runningL detached processes, people who stay connected for days on end etc) but these are typically a minority.   
 Reference:L http://www.openvms.digital.com:8000/72final/6526/6526profile_contents_001.ht ml#toc_chapter_6   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant,
 Compaq Canada  Professional Services  Voice : 613-592-4660 FAX   : 819-772-7036 Email : kerry.main@compaq.com        -----Original Message-----. From: Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to reply) [mailto:operagost@e-mail.com] $ Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 10:33 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: Internet VMSCluster    L I have a VAXstation 4000-60 and a DEC 3000-400 which are clustered and share a L quorum disk. I would like to have both of them available to the Internet viaI telnet. Don't worry, I have security covered! The problem is, I want them  bothI to be accessible under the same name for availability and load balancing,  and L it seems the way to do this is to use the Internet VMSCluster feature of DECK UCX/TCPIP. I've enabled the feature on both machines using the same IP, and F failover works well. I can shut down either cluster member, and when I telnetK to the shared IP it'll bring up whoever's still available. However, perhaps L I'm mistaken in my belief that load balancing is supported. It seems that itL tends to stick to one node until that node goes down, even if I open severalL sessions. It doesn't matter whether it's the Alpha or the much weaker VAX. IF already looked through the online TCP/IP docs, and there is no mentionL anywhere of this feature! Other than me being totally wrong and that this isL just for failover protection, I suppose it may be the fact that the Alpha isF still on UCX 4.2 while the VAX is on 5.0-9. Anyone else ever try this? --  " ----------------------------------          Stephen Eickhoff            Havertown, PA " ----------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 10:37:37 +0100 ' From: Adrian Birkett <abirkett@csc.com>  Subject: JBC$COMMAND query' Message-ID: <393F6960.78836984@csc.com>   @ Today is the first time I've used the DIAG 7 function and it hasB extended the .QMAN$JOURNAL file. The original was just over 11,000B blocks (allocated) with a few hundred used and the replacement is;   Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]     SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOURNAL;1=                            2/12642     8-JUN-2000 10:23:01.12   G Has anybody seen this before? Are there any other options or qualifiers   that I can use to overcome this?   Thanks,    Ade   3 ----- My own opinion, not that of my employer -----    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:56:00 +0900 2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com> Subject: Re: JBC$COMMAND query+ Message-ID: <3944FA00.69A65BB8@digital.com>    Adrian Birkett wrote:  > B > Today is the first time I've used the DIAG 7 function and it hasD > extended the .QMAN$JOURNAL file. The original was just over 11,000D > blocks (allocated) with a few hundred used and the replacement is; >  > Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]  > " > SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOURNAL;1? >                            2/12642     8-JUN-2000 10:23:01.12  > I > Has anybody seen this before? Are there any other options or qualifiers " > that I can use to overcome this? > 	 > Thanks,  >  > Ade  > 5 > ----- My own opinion, not that of my employer -----   1 The DIAG 7 is only meant as a temporary solution. ; Install the current version of either the ALPQMANxx_062 or   VAXQMANxx_062 patches.   ~Mike    --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:49:32 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>  Subject: Re: Process States ( Message-ID: <3945068C.1466150@bbc.co.uk>  I Try the System Management Utilities Manual, in the section describing the F monitor states command there is a table of all the VMS process states.  F I had a quick poke around in sys$library and could find nothing there.   nleach@gol.com wrote:   G > I seem to remember that there used to be a file (in sys$system maybe) H > that contained the list of process state acroynms and their full names% > (ie RWAST = Resource Wait For AST).  > D > Am I halucinating as it doesn't seem to be around anymore (v7.2) ? >  > Nigel  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.    --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:05:22 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>B Subject: Re: ramdisk vs. file cache, and the winner is, file cacheK Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10006121353370.28754-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>   # On 10 Jun 2000, David Mathog wrote:   F +I had to do some system maintenance this weekend and thought that I'd [...]  +$ sho time  [...] 8 +(delta varied between 1 and 2 seconds in multiple runs)    Will suggest:$ $ write sys$output f$cvtim(,,"TIME")3  Then you may get better info than 50% rounding -:)    [...] G +That's MUCH faster than I could ever achieve by RMS tuning, but oddly, @ +STILL not as fast as the same code run on Linux on an otherwiseE +similar DS10.  It runs there about 2-3X faster as judged by the rate E                                                           *********** C +at which the names of the created files scroll by (it completes in 2                                          *********/ +under a second, so hard to time it precisely.)     That may make differrence. ?  Un*x with the "stream bufferred" IO can be much less sensitive  to the terminal IO. #  Stop the term. IO and re-check -:)    [...] F +Caching was disabled already (it's pointless when going to a RAMDISK, +isn't it?).  -  Here was the answer -:) Check - and say us !    [...]     Regards - Gotfryd --E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:09:27 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>B Subject: Re: ramdisk vs. file cache, and the winner is, file cacheK Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10006121406020.28754-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>   ( On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Gerald Marsh wrote: [...] H +I noticed file highwater marking - Does this make any difference on Ram1 +disks? (It certainly used to on "normal" disks!)   #  Why may make *not* a differrence ? 9  *If* the highwater marking protection takes place - then 5 also on RAM-disk block buffers must be zeroed and the  IO overhead must be done...     Regards - Gotfryd   --E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:04:57 GMT ( From: merritt.robert@sbe.saskatoon.sk.ca0 Subject: RMS adn SMB file shares problem (SAMBA)) Message-ID: <8i2u6g$76p$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Hi  G This is probable a simple question I could nt find what I needed in the C FAQ.  I have a share \\test\sis on on there I have some simple text C files refreshed daily (server is VMS running samba 1.7) . On the NT G side I have a scheduled job to copy \\test\sis\*.* \\winNT\sis\*.* when 8 they get there I have one record intact with a bunch off> unprintable ASCII chars after that record all on the same Line any Ideas what up     G (I have VMS 7.1-2 on a DS10  running V4.2 - ECO 1  and samba 1_9_17P4 )  thanks robm           & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:42:04 GMT , From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: TAR FOR VMS?u+ Message-ID: <2ZUU5Yq$qOL5@eisner.decus.org>   X In article <39412b5f.0@nnrp1.news.uk.psi.net>, andywright@psilink.co.uk (Andy w) writes: > Hello,; >       I need to transfer files from Openvms V7.2 on AlphaVM > to a Tru64 system via tape (DLT), (no network so it has to be via tape!!!). H > Is there a tar utility for vms or something simillar so I can do this.H > As they are both Compaq systems you would think there should be one!!! >   G Both VMS and Tru64 understand ANSI/ASCII labeled tapes (VMS as it's ownrH labeled tapes and Tru64 via lft).  This will preserve file names but not directory hierarchy.  G There are several tars available for VMS.  One in the POSIX kit, if you G happen to have that, and many can be found on the net.  I've been usingsC Sid Penstone's, but I use his tarread more often than his tarwrite.   F I don't have a URL for any, but I generally just start from the FAQ orH other links on www.openvms.digital.com when I want to find free software for VMS.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationa= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GroupaE  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replyingo   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:37:23 -0400 0 From: Gregory P Lechkun <lechkung@dteenergy.com>4 Subject: Tru64 Unix Clustering with OpenVMS Clusters, Message-ID: <39451FD3.14FDB17@dteenergy.com>  F I've heard that Compaq is making Tru64 Unix "clusterable" with OpenVMS( clusters, has anyone else heard of this?   -- Regards, Greg Lechkun gpl :-)h   DTEwJ Energy====================================================================  ? DTE     ////// ////////////       Gregory Lechkun - EM&D/PDO-PToE DTE    //   //  //   //           Power Application Software Engineerl< DTE   //   //  //   ////          lechkung@detroitedison.comA DTE  //   //  //   //             g.p.lechkun@ieee.org (personal)  DTE //////   //   //////   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:10:51 -0700e? From: Mike Price <mike.priceNOmiSPAM@littlewoods.co.uk.invalid> * Subject: UCX problems after network glitch9 Message-ID: <24602da8.b7a5094e@usw-ex0105-037.remarq.com>   1 I hope someone has seen this before and can help. = We are running UCX version 4.2 - planning to go to 5 in a fewf@ months - and we seem to get problems whenever there is a network? glitch. This problem only happens on the VMS systems - the UNIXa> boxes and everything else recover OK - hence the network group+ end up blaming us fro the network problem!!s; The problem is that when the network falls over and then ism? fixed sometimes a VMS system will end up not being able to talk  to any other IP boxes.: LAT will be OK, decnet wil be OK by IP is useless. We have> identified that the main proble is that we cannot ping (telnet or anything) the gateways.@ There are normally strange routes set up in the database (we use? static routing) and sometimes if we get rid of these everythingg@ comes back to life but normally the only solution is to stop and
 re-start UCX.e What I would like to know is; a) has anyone else seen this and is it fixed with version 5d@ b) Does anyone know what UCX does when it comes up that makes it? talk to other systems - and is there a way to do this without au8 stop and restart. A pointer to some information would be appreciated here9 c)is there anyway you know of that can stop it happening.l   Hope someone can helpU   Thanks in advancee   Mike  L * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *G The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!l   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Jun 2000 09:11:28 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)g. Subject: Re: UCX problems after network glitch' Message-ID: <8i29g0$rcp$1@joe.rice.edu>0  @ Mike Price (mike.priceNOmiSPAM@littlewoods.co.uk.invalid) wrote:3 : I hope someone has seen this before and can help.D? : We are running UCX version 4.2 - planning to go to 5 in a fewaB : months - and we seem to get problems whenever there is a network
 : glitch.   9 What version of VMS ?  Any UCX ECOs (patches) installed ? ' The "ucx show version" will show both: B     $ ucx show version  >   Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS VAX Version V4.2 - ECO 3.   on a VAXstation 4000-96 running OpenVMS V7.1   BTW, plan to install 5.0A.  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:36:47 -07001? From: Mike Price <mike.priceNOmiSPAM@littlewoods.co.uk.invalid> . Subject: Re: UCX problems after network glitch9 Message-ID: <04c676a0.0caa1e9b@usw-ex0105-037.remarq.com>M  8 The problem has happened on ALpha VMS 7.1 and 7.1-2 (and; possibly 6.2 but that was a while ago and we can't be sure)u Also VAX VMS 6.2@ UCX versions are at least 4.1 and 4.2 with and without ECO up to 3l   Mike  L * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *G The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:17:31 -0400M1 From: "Todd Nelson" <toddnelson@lehighcounty.org>h. Subject: Re: UCX problems after network glitch/ Message-ID: <sk9vig9th51119@corp.supernews.com>   G We have had very similar problems here at our site.  We are using TCPIPrK services v 5.0a.  After network errrors, the IP address basically shuts offdL and noone can get in or out of the box via IP.  If you do a $analyze /systemE and the a sho lan /counters  you should be able to watch your networkaD interfaces and see errors being logged.  We had many unexplained CRCL (Cyclical redundancy check errors) and many Lan errors.  We eventually triedL switching out our FDDI interface card in the Alpha (Alpha 4000) and this didH not help.  Replacing the wires to the Lan interface did not help either.  F We never tried the Stop and Restart TCPIP, we always had to reboot theL system.    Therefore, I am guessing that this issue is NOT resolved in v5.0a at least of Tcpip.   Todd.d    L "Mike Price" <mike.priceNOmiSPAM@littlewoods.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message3 news:24602da8.b7a5094e@usw-ex0105-037.remarq.com... 3 > I hope someone has seen this before and can help. ? > We are running UCX version 4.2 - planning to go to 5 in a fewgB > months - and we seem to get problems whenever there is a networkA > glitch. This problem only happens on the VMS systems - the UNIXr@ > boxes and everything else recover OK - hence the network group- > end up blaming us fro the network problem!! = > The problem is that when the network falls over and then isnA > fixed sometimes a VMS system will end up not being able to talkt > to any other IP boxes.< > LAT will be OK, decnet wil be OK by IP is useless. We have@ > identified that the main proble is that we cannot ping (telnet > or anything) the gateways.B > There are normally strange routes set up in the database (we useA > static routing) and sometimes if we get rid of these everythingmB > comes back to life but normally the only solution is to stop and > re-start UCX.a > What I would like to know is= > a) has anyone else seen this and is it fixed with version 5cB > b) Does anyone know what UCX does when it comes up that makes itA > talk to other systems - and is there a way to do this without a : > stop and restart. A pointer to some information would be > appreciated here; > c)is there anyway you know of that can stop it happening.  >n > Hope someone can help  >i > Thanks in advance  >o > Mike > L > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *aI > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!r >y   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:45:57 +0200i> From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>8 Subject: Re: unable to install 7.2-1 on an external disk2 Message-ID: <8i24c8$vo8$1@s2.feed.news.oleane.net>  7 "David A Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in messagei' news:3943C202.18AF0834@tsoft-inc.com...(  > "Jean-Franois Marchal" wrote: > >s! > > A few supplementary tests ...1 > >04 > > - same situation after changing the 256Mb memory< > > - checked some files after faulty backup ... the createdC > >   file has only a dozen good chars, some else, then end of fileh4 > >   so more then 200 records missing during backup > >'I > > should I remember that everything backed up between disks on the fast 2 > > KZPBA-CA is correct on the same configuration. > >b > > Any idea ? >tH > Not really.  The KZPBA-CB, has it been changed, or have all tests been with theF > same SCSI controller?  Sounds like this is where the problems start.  G The KZPBA-CB has been changed. (I changed it with a -CA + change of thet shelf'ss
 IO module)   I had a strange crash yesterdayl<     INVEXCEPTN at OTS$REM_UL_C+008 executing DECW$REINIT.EXED at boot. Rebooted with no problem. Just occured once more right now.I AES says it is a problem specific to 4100 ... be very pleaed with my PWS.h  G I also upgraded the FW from 7.0-10 to 7.1-3 (cd 5.6) . One disk to disko backup: was correct after that. But installation is still failing.  E What I've not changed is the video adapter, the processor and the PCIr
 backplane.   Merci pour votre aide !t
 Jean-Franoiss   >l > --6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596@ > DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com8 > T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:24:47 +0200 > From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>8 Subject: Re: unable to install 7.2-1 on an external disk3 Message-ID: <8i26l1$10ee$1@s2.feed.news.oleane.net>o  K Now, trying to create a standalone system on $70$DKA0, on the exernal shelfe     Execution phase starting ...  7 The following product will be installed to destination: I     DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.2-1                  DISK$SX9070_QDSK:[VMS$COMMON.]n  : Portion done: 0%...10%...20%...30%...40%...50%...60%...70%5 %PCSI-I-PRCOUTPUT, output from subprocess follows ...-; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual-: address=000000000025C21C, PC=00000000000342B0, PS=0000001B< %PCSI-E-MODREPLERR, error replacing module BACKUP in library3 DISK$SX9070_QDSK:[VMS$COMMON.][SYSLIB]DCLTABLES.EXEBI -SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=!XB, virtual address=!XH,' PC=!XH, PS=!XL" %PCSI-E-OPFAILED, operation failed Portion done: 80%...90%...100%  ) The following product has been installed:);     DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.2-1                  Operating SystemtA %SYSGEN-I-CREATED, $70$DKA0:[SYSE.][SYSEXE]PAGEFILE.SYS;1 created   >     The installation of minimum OpenVMS Alpha is now complete.   Cann't guess what's happening 
 Jean-Franoist    I "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote in message , news:8hvo2f$a3n$1@s2.feed.news.oleane.net... > Bonjour  tous ! > = > I'm in great trouble with my home office VMS configuration.  > D > After the field service replaced one of my failing (system) disks, > I got the following errors : >-A > 1.- Unable to install VMS 7.2-1 via the CD on the replaced diskc@ > 2.- Unable to backup an existing systemem disk to the new disk >cB > I've performed many tests but I am not able to determine what is@ > the cause of my problems, so I would appreciate any help about > this situation.0 >fF > I have reduced my dual host cluster configuration to the following : >-D >      PWS 433 au                                           BA356-KHF >     +----------+               differential             +----------+F >    A| KZPBA-CB |----------------------------------------| BA35X-DA |F >     |          |                                        |          |G >     |          |                                 QUORUM | RZ1DD-VW |0eG >     |          |                                        | RZ1DD-VW |1dG >     |          |      BA353                        DSA2 | RZ1DD-VW |2aG >     |          |    +---5------2------6---+             | RZ1DD-VW |3sG >    B| KZPBA-CA |----| TLZ07  RZ28M  RRD43 |        DSA2 | RZ1DD-VW |4WF >     |  |       |    +---------------------+             |          |F >     |  0-RZ1CC |                                        |          |F >     |  1-RZ1CC |                                        | PWR      |F >     +----------+                                        +----------+ >.C > and modified the system environment variable PKA0_SOFT_TERM to ONo? > (I previously used Y cables for each SCSI attached equipment)r@ > I also modified the switches of the shelf IO module to all OFF! > to re-enable local termination.G >r7 > My running system disk is DKB100, only member of DSA1R > booted from root 73, > alloclas is 73& > port allocation class for PKA0 is 70 >1F > I had to move the system to DKB100 from its original disk $70$DKA100? > because of two successive disk failures of DKA100 and DKA300.kD > The system was okay since last september when I added the external > disk subsystem.c >s? > This system disk has been entirely rebuilt with OpenVMS 7.2-1,& > with the following patches applied : > - DNVOSIA   ECO 01 > - UPDATE    v1.0 > - PCSI      v1.0 > - DQCONFIG  v2.0 > - SYS       v5.0 > D > When DKA300 was replaced, I issued an ANALYZE/MEDIA/EXERCISE whichJ > produced NO errors. Then I used the 7.2-1 CD to backup DKB100 to DKA300.. > The backup ended with lots of verify errors. > # > Now on the reduced configuration.tC > - any image backup of DKB100 or DKB200 to $70$DKA300 or $70$DK100 @ >   fails on verify (when booted either from the distribution cd >   or from my patched system)A > - any fresh vmsinstal (Vms + Motif + DECnetPlus + Tcp/IP) failse >   with the following error : >   0%...10%...20%...30%9 >   %PCSI-I-PRCOUTPUT, output from subprocess follows ...o' >   %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation,i >       reason mask=00" >       virtual address = 4521E200 >       PC = 342B0 >       PS = 1B=A >   %PCSI-E-MODREPLERR, error replacing module ANALYZE in library  > DCLTABLES.EXEA  >   -F-ACCVIO, access violation, >       reason mask =!XB >       virtual address = !XH  >       PC = !XL >       PS = !XL& >   %PCSI-E-OPFAILED, operation failedC >   Terminating is strongly recommended. Do you want to terminate ?e >o+ > To track the error, I did the following :G4 > - cleanup all fans ... to prevent any heat problem, > - change the CD from another brand new kit' > - reduce the configuration like above.8 > - change the SCSI cable (of the reduced configuration) > - change the KZPBA-CB adapter * > - set PKA0_MODE to FAST instead of ULTRA@ > - replaced the KZPBA-CB (differential) with a KZPBA-CA (fast),5 >   along with a change of the IO module of the shelf 9 >   from DS-BA35X-DA (differential) to DS-BA35X-FA (fast)s5 > - replaced the BA356 with a RAIDarray 310 with RZ29z >eB > In each case I got the same symptoms (install or backup failure) >=G > Before I changed the shelf with a RAIDarray, I was thinking the shelfNL > was faulty. Now I'm really puzzled. Could there be a mistake in my tests ?F > Another test to issue ? Except for a second PWS, I've no more spares > at home to check with ...= >=I > The external disk subsystem is still under warranty (not undercontact),,G > so it will not be very simple to have everything checked by the fieldj
 > service. >B >l >h > Jean-Franois Marchals > X9000 - LYON >$ >n   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:31:57 GMTd0 From: carlini@true.lkg.dec.com (Antonio Carlini)% Subject: Re: vaxstation LED meanings?x* Message-ID: <8i2a2m$c0n@usenet.pa.dec.com>  d In article <39413E66.7E213C08@itac11-sun.sprint.ca>, Dan Gahlinger <dan@itac11-sun.sprint.ca> wrote:  8 >ah a clue here. on mine, the hard drives never spin up.- >so after the SPX test, that's it. it's dead.t  L Have you tried booting using the serial console (i.e. plug serial line into  printer port and flick S3)?      Antonio   I Antonio Carlini                            Mail: carlini@true.lkg.dec.com-# DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS Engineering,6 COMPAQ                                     Reading, UK   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:58:39 +0200n= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>," Subject: Re: VMS Security features) Message-ID: <3943D34F.5BC31872@gtech.com>r   David Andreas Alderud wrote:I > > What, exactly, are you trying to find?  How to change passwords?  TheeL > > basic organization of the system, i.e. internals?  Something in-between? > K > I'm looking for the internals, the other stuff is interesting too, but my N > main interest is in the core OS design. Since most security holes have to doH > with buffer overruns, I'm really interested in hearing about the stackN > design. Or like distributed services, realtime features and filesystem, etc.M > Why I'm I so interested in the technical solutions? Well, I'm doing my M Sc L > thesis this summer, I'm a UNIX hardcore and I know how bad the UNIX designN > is. I'm going to write the paper about how other OSs, that are better from aJ > security standpoint, does to handle security and why one should use them > where security matters.-H > If I find the correct material to read, you can probably look at it as' > promotion of your favourite platform.u > M > Right now, I'm reading up on QNX4 and Neutrino2, they look really good, I'd ! > love to take a stab at VMS too.h  E I can not think of any particular source that could giv eyou what you1> want. The Internals and Datastructures book certainly containsA some of the details, but it is probably difficult to read without @ a deep VMS knowledge and its focus is implementation details not architectural design.b  9 Regarding the infamous buffer overflows. The they usually = appear in C functions getting a char array without specifying=A a maximum length. That is getfoobar(char *foobar, int *foobarlen) C instead of getfoobar(char *foobar, int foobarsiz, int *foobarlen) - F sometimes foobarlen is missing because foobar will be zero-terminated.@ The most known example is probably the gets function, which many= people think should be completely banned from all C programs.   G Very little of the VMS core are written in C (it is mostly Macro-32 and:C Bliss), so it does not use C zero-terminated string at all. InsteadiD it uses VMS strings passed by descriptor. A typical string desciptor# (fixed length string) will contain:c   - maximum length   - descriptor identifcation   - pointer to string itselfA Almost all VMS system services and RTL routines uses this kind of  descriptorswH for strings. And since maximum length is always passed, then VMS has notH been as much hit by buffer overflow problems as the C operating systems.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:32:26 +0100e/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> " Subject: re: VMS Security features6 Message-ID: <009EB7EA.58E4041E.4@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>   > J > > > If you look at VMS security holes (and there have been some over theH > > > past 20 years), the generalization "most security holes have to doE > > > with buffer overruns" is not correct.  Aside from official CERTeJ > > > bulletins in recent years, however, it is not easy to find out aboutI > > > VMS security holes that just get quietly fixed (when no cracker has) > > > spread an attack around).  > > P > > I was not refering to VMS, only to OSs in general, I don't know enough aboutP > > VMS to make such a statement :). Someone once told me that VMS didn't sufferL > > from buffer overruns the way other OS does, so I'm interested in how theP > > stack is implemented. I'll guess I'll see how it's done when I buy the book. > F > Buffer overruns and stack implementations really aren't related, but > that's a separate issue. >   7 Actually, I'd dispute this, if we are talking security.r  @ The classic unix/C type program allocates a buffer on the stack.G Let's suppose it then calls a subroutines with this buffer as argument.m The memory pattern is    linkage information$ .... buffer 0 ...i" linkage information to subroutine10 (inbluding pointer to buffer and return address) ...h# linkage information to subroutiner2n@ (including pointer to buffer and return address to subroutine 1) ...  etc.  G A hacker who has established that he can cause the end of the buffer toMK be overwritten thereby has a way to rewrite the linkage information on the tK stack. He can therefore write his own binary code into and past the buffer,sL and pervert the return address so that when the attacked subroutine returns,K it ends up executing the hacker's code. At which point your user-id (or the-> whole system if you are currently privileged) is at his mercy.  J So, there is an advantage to be gained from not allocating buffers on the F stack. If, instead, there is a VMS descriptor on the stack pointing toO buffer memory in a heap, then *even* if bad coding has allowed the buffer to be.J overrun, all the hacker will do is corrupt the heap. And if it's some sortI of server process, the memory pattern in the heap may well be stochastic, J depending on what the server process has done prior to the attack. There'sI no way for a hacker to exploit this in order to get his own code executednC and no way to consistently corrupt data. Chances are the worst thatuK he can do is that the server process crashes (with or without some "random"u2 data-corruption getting into the filestore first).   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.327 ************************