1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 16 Jun 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 334       Contents:P (DECNET-PLUS strange poblem) Re: Proxy problem: Why does node:: workbut 0:: fail. Re: 2nd request, why can't I get to COMPAQ.COM. Re: 2nd request, why can't I get to COMPAQ.COM. Re: 2nd request, why can't I get to COMPAQ.COM. Re: 2nd request, why can't I get to COMPAQ.COM. Re: 2nd request, why can't I get to COMPAQ.COM Alpha CDROM  Re: Alpha CDROM  Re: Alpha CDROM  Anyone installed netCDF on VMS? " Re: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor?" Re: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor?" Re: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor?" RE: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor?" Re: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor?" Re: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor?" Re: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor?" Re: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor?" Re: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor?" Re: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor?" Re: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor? Re: CONV$RECLAIM question  Re: Fun VMS Facts? Re: Fun VMS Facts? FW: Fun VMS Facts? Re: FW: Fun VMS Facts? Re: FW: Fun VMS Facts?
 GNU-CC on VAX ) Re: HELP! booting VAX 4000-VLC off CD-ROM 0 Re: Help! VAX emulator on Intel with Hobbyist CD. How to acquire a hobbyists version of CMS/MMS?2 Re: How to acquire a hobbyists version of CMS/MMS?2 Re: How to acquire a hobbyists version of CMS/MMS?2 Re: How to acquire a hobbyists version of CMS/MMS? LMF License  Re: LMF License  Re: LMF License  Locked out... Please help  M16 (Linux) is out RE: Mail batch log file 1 Re: Mini symposium in =?iso-8859-1?Q?Montr=E9al?= 1 Re: Mini symposium in =?iso-8859-1?Q?Montr=E9al?=  OpenVMS Software Pricing Re: OpenVMS Software Pricing5 Re: Proxy problem: Why does node:: work but 0:: fail?  Real Time VMS? Re: Real Time VMS? Re: Real Time VMS? RE: Real Time VMS? Replacing a RAID 5 drive% Re[2]: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor? ) RE: Re[2]: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor? ) RE: Re[2]: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor? + Re: Stealing the best- (was Fun VMS Facts?) & VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMS* Re: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMS* Re: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMS* Re: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMS* RE: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMS* RE: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMS* RE: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMS* RE: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMS* Re: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMS* RE: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMS* Re: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMS Re: VAX on Intel?  Re: VAX on Intel?  Re: vaxstation LED meanings? Vest problem Re: Vest problem Which SPL CD has OpenVMS on it? # Re: Which SPL CD has OpenVMS on it? # Re: Which SPL CD has OpenVMS on it? # Re: Which SPL CD has OpenVMS on it?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:26:29 -0500 ) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> Y Subject: (DECNET-PLUS strange poblem) Re: Proxy problem: Why does node:: workbut 0:: fail 7 Message-ID: <043501bfd729$8601d040$020a0a0a@xile.realm>    Lawrence Bleau wrote:    > To recap:  > F > There are two standalone systems, both running OpenVMS AXP 7.1-2 and DecnetE > phase V.  There is only a single NET$PROXY.DAT on each system, just  rebuilt, so I > it should have no errors, and there are no NETPROXY.DAT files on either  system. H > The security server on each was shut down and restarted as part of the proxy G > database rebuild operation.  The system's node name is defined in the  local H > network database for both systems.  Both systems have a proxy entry of > LOCAL:.systemname::* * (D) . > F > A DIR 0:: fails on system ULEIS for a normal user account, but a DIR ULEIS:: L > works.  Both a DIR 0:: and a DIR UMTOF:: work on system UMTOF for a normalL > user account.  I did not test either on SYSTEM yet.  The error message is: > 4 > %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening 0::*.COM; as input1 > -RMS-E-FND, ACP file or directory lookup failed > > -SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node >  >  > Lawrence Bleau > University of Maryland$ > Physics Dept., Space Physics Group > 301-405-6223 > bleau@umtof.umd.edu  > 8 I have tried to reproduce both your problem and results.  & OpenVMS 7.2 (MULTIA) with DECNET-PLUS.   The existing files:    $ show log net*proxy*   "NET$PROXY" = "SYS$SYSTEM:NET$PROXY.DAT"(   "NETPROXY" = "SYS$SYSTEM:NETPROXY.DAT"   $Directory SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]   5 NET$PROXY.DAT;1           30  21-JUN-1999 21:13:16.06 5 NETPROXY.DAT;1            12  21-JUN-1999 21:13:16.80    Now to start over (temporarily)    $set server security/exit % $rename sys$system:net$proxy.dat .old $ $rename sys$system:netproxy.dat .old $set server/start security  C Recreate the empty proxy files.  Note that two files are created as 	 expected.   I Since you are only getting one file, I suspect that it is related to your  problem.   $uaf create/proxy  $dir sys$system:net*.dat   Directory SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]  5 NET$PROXY.DAT;1           12  15-JUN-2000 18:32:03.07 5 NETPROXY.DAT;1            12  15-JUN-2000 18:32:03.32     4 The proxies are empty, and this is easily confirmed.  
 $dir gryphn:: 6 %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening GRYPHN::*.*;* as input/ -RMS-E-FND, ACP file or directory lookup failed < -SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node $dir 0::1 %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening 0::*.*;* as input / -RMS-E-FND, ACP file or directory lookup failed < -SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node    F Now I add a global default proxy.  Everything still works as expected.  " $uaf add/proxy gryphn::* */default8 %UAF-I-NAFADDMSG, proxy from LOCAL:.GRYPHN::* to * added   $dir 0::login.com;    Directory 0::SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]  5 LOGIN.COM;4                2  25-JUN-1999 21:12:41.12    $ dir gryphn::login.com;  % Directory GRYPHN::SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]   5 LOGIN.COM;4                2  25-JUN-1999 21:12:41.12     J Add a proxy to the http account for a web server.  This immediately breaksH access to the SYSTEM account though DECNET.  Consistent with what I have	 asserted.   # $ uaf add/proxy gryphn::system http @ %UAF-I-NAFADDMSG, proxy from LOCAL:.GRYPHN::SYSTEM to HTTP added   $ dir gryphn::login.com;; %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening GRYPHN::LOGIN.COM; as input / -RMS-E-FND, ACP file or directory lookup failed < -SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node   $ dir 0::login.com; 6 %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening 0::LOGIN.COM; as input/ -RMS-E-FND, ACP file or directory lookup failed < -SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node    I To get the SYSTEM account working again, I must explicitly put in a PROXY  record.   - $ uaf add/proxy gryphn::system system/default B %UAF-I-NAFADDMSG, proxy from LOCAL:.GRYPHN::SYSTEM to SYSTEM added   $ dir 0::login.com;     Directory 0::SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]  5 LOGIN.COM;4                2  25-JUN-1999 21:12:41.12    $ dir gryphn::login.com;  % Directory GRYPHN::SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]   5 LOGIN.COM;4                2  25-JUN-1999 21:12:41.12     J Tests by removing the PROXY files one at a time show that it does not seemJ to care about the NETPROXY file being missing.  Removing the NET$PROXY.DAT0 file does cause both naming conventions to work.  L Conclusions:  The PROXY database is not your problem, and the PROXY database! does work the way I said it does.   J I am not sure what is causing the behavior of what you are seeing.  I have: three DECNET-PLUS hobby systems, and can not reproduce it.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:33:55 -0700 ' From: "George Shouse" <GHS@Shouses.com> 7 Subject: Re: 2nd request, why can't I get to COMPAQ.COM + Message-ID: <8ib42b0e3n@enews3.newsguy.com>   H Works fine for me.  Have you tried going directly to http://207.18.199.3* ?  Can you ping it?  Can your ISP ping it?     --
 George Shouse 
 -------------  Always a Laker Fan -=-=-=-***-=-=-=-  -=-=-=-*1*-=-=-=-  -=-=-=-***-=-=-=-       : "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message@ news:lM425.3207$Xx5.196545@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...F > I have tried it several times a day.   It has NOT cleared up for me. That > is why I keep asking. C > If the problem has been correctly fixed, then I have a problem at 	 work, but  > since my problemF > at work started at the same time as the overall problem, our network people > are reluctant  > to spend valuable time on it.  > H > But thanks for responding.  That does give me a little leverage to use with
 > our network  > folks. > ; > "Howard S Shubs" <hshubs@mindspring.com> wrote in message : > news:hshubs-7E9558.09032615062000@news.mindspring.com... > > In article; <B5425.2699$Uw3.175151@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, 4 > > "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > > 7 > > >ISN'T ANYONE ELSE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH COMPAQ.COM 3 > > >Or if you fixed the problem HOW DID YOU FIX IT D > > >Or if you know what the problem was or is, DOES IT STILL EXIST? > > 5 > > Haven't you tried it?  That cleared up last week.  > >  > > --# > > Howard S Shubs, the Denim Adept  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:33:02 GMT / From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> 7 Subject: Re: 2nd request, why can't I get to COMPAQ.COM F Message-ID: <yj925.3204$Uw3.195706@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  1 ok.  I figured it out, and boy do I feel foolish.   L The bad error page was cached.  Everytime I tried to connect to compaq.com ID brought up the cached page.  After forcing a refresh, it works fine.  2 "George Shouse" <GHS@Shouses.com> wrote in message% news:8ib42b0e3n@enews3.newsguy.com... J > Works fine for me.  Have you tried going directly to http://207.18.199.3, > ?  Can you ping it?  Can your ISP ping it? >  >  > -- > George Shouse  > -------------  > Always a Laker Fan > -=-=-=-***-=-=-=-  > -=-=-=-*1*-=-=-=-  > -=-=-=-***-=-=-=-  >  >  > < > "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote in messageB > news:lM425.3207$Xx5.196545@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...H > > I have tried it several times a day.   It has NOT cleared up for me. > That > > is why I keep asking. E > > If the problem has been correctly fixed, then I have a problem at  > work, but  > > since my problemH > > at work started at the same time as the overall problem, our network > people > > are reluctant ! > > to spend valuable time on it.  > > J > > But thanks for responding.  That does give me a little leverage to use > with > > our network 
 > > folks. > > = > > "Howard S Shubs" <hshubs@mindspring.com> wrote in message < > > news:hshubs-7E9558.09032615062000@news.mindspring.com... > > > In article= > <B5425.2699$Uw3.175151@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, 6 > > > "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > > > 9 > > > >ISN'T ANYONE ELSE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH COMPAQ.COM 5 > > > >Or if you fixed the problem HOW DID YOU FIX IT F > > > >Or if you know what the problem was or is, DOES IT STILL EXIST? > > > 7 > > > Haven't you tried it?  That cleared up last week.  > > >  > > > --% > > > Howard S Shubs, the Denim Adept  > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:26:20 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 7 Subject: Re: 2nd request, why can't I get to COMPAQ.COM , Message-ID: <39493BEB.A72BC57A@videotron.ca>   John Nixon wrote:  > G > I have tried it several times a day.   It has NOT cleared up for me.    , can you access: http://207.18.199.3 ? ? ? ?   2 ;; Query: www.compaq.com ,type = ANY , class = ANY   ;; ANSWERS: & www.compaq.com.	7176	IN	A	207.18.199.3    J I have a customer who could not access a site from their corporate lan forH some reason. I sent her an email containing the http: for it and low andH behold, by clicking on it from outlook, she was able to access it ! (and? afterwards, she could access it from exploder without problems.   ? Perhaps a problem at a firewall between your PC and the world ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:34:13 -0700 ' From: "George Shouse" <GHS@Shouses.com> 7 Subject: Re: 2nd request, why can't I get to COMPAQ.COM + Message-ID: <8ibi570v7t@enews3.newsguy.com>    Been there, done that...   --
 George Shouse 
 -------------  Always a Laker Fan    : "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message@ news:yj925.3204$Uw3.195706@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...3 > ok.  I figured it out, and boy do I feel foolish.  > A > The bad error page was cached.  Everytime I tried to connect to  compaq.com IF > brought up the cached page.  After forcing a refresh, it works fine. > 4 > "George Shouse" <GHS@Shouses.com> wrote in message' > news:8ib42b0e3n@enews3.newsguy.com... 8 > > Works fine for me.  Have you tried going directly to http://207.18.199.3 . > > ?  Can you ping it?  Can your ISP ping it? > >  > >  > > -- > > George Shouse  > > -------------  > > Always a Laker Fan > > -=-=-=-***-=-=-=-  > > -=-=-=-*1*-=-=-=-  > > -=-=-=-***-=-=-=-  > >  > >  > > > > > "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote in messageD > > news:lM425.3207$Xx5.196545@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...F > > > I have tried it several times a day.   It has NOT cleared up for me.  > > That > > > is why I keep asking. G > > > If the problem has been correctly fixed, then I have a problem at 
 > > work, but  > > > since my problemB > > > at work started at the same time as the overall problem, our network 
 > > people > > > are reluctant # > > > to spend valuable time on it.  > > > H > > > But thanks for responding.  That does give me a little leverage to use  > > with > > > our network  > > > folks. > > > ? > > > "Howard S Shubs" <hshubs@mindspring.com> wrote in message > > > > news:hshubs-7E9558.09032615062000@news.mindspring.com... > > > > In article? > > <B5425.2699$Uw3.175151@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, 8 > > > > "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > > > > ; > > > > >ISN'T ANYONE ELSE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH COMPAQ.COM 7 > > > > >Or if you fixed the problem HOW DID YOU FIX IT H > > > > >Or if you know what the problem was or is, DOES IT STILL EXIST? > > > > 9 > > > > Haven't you tried it?  That cleared up last week.  > > > > 
 > > > > --' > > > > Howard S Shubs, the Denim Adept  > > >  > > >  > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:00:41 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>7 Subject: Re: 2nd request, why can't I get to COMPAQ.COM - Message-ID: <39496019.19D6424C@tsoft-inc.com>    John Nixon wrote:  > 3 > ok.  I figured it out, and boy do I feel foolish.  > N > The bad error page was cached.  Everytime I tried to connect to compaq.com IF > brought up the cached page.  After forcing a refresh, it works fine.  M You're not alone in being bitten by this.  The 'clear cache' button should be % available and obvious on the browser.    Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:09:39 GMT 3 From: "Jonathan Lee @ Apexxnet" <jlee@apexxnet.com>  Subject: Alpha CDROM, Message-ID: <394936B7.23A65B51@apexxnet.com>   All,    D    I've got a DEC alpha 3000-400 with an old caddy style cdrom driveE which I'm wanting to swap out for a faster unit with no caddy to fool F with. Can I just use any old scsi CDROM , or do I have to use one from DEC?  1  Any help appreciated. email to jlee@apexxnet.com    -JL    -- Jonathan Lee; Apexx Network Systems                   Phone: 828.586.1810 ; 149 Crestview Heights                     FAX: 828.631.9399 ; Sylva, NC 28779                     http://www.apexxnet.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:50:06 -0700  From: LBohan@spam_less..dbc.com  Subject: Re: Alpha CDROM8 Message-ID: <52giks0emop25t9h7uqshisfen13vbs5fh@4ax.com>  ; On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:09:39 GMT, "Jonathan Lee @ Apexxnet"  <jlee@apexxnet.com> wrote:   >All,  >  > E >   I've got a DEC alpha 3000-400 with an old caddy style cdrom drive F >which I'm wanting to swap out for a faster unit with no caddy to foolG >with. Can I just use any old scsi CDROM , or do I have to use one from  >DEC?  > 2 > Any help appreciated. email to jlee@apexxnet.com >  >-JL  4 for internal SCSI cdroms, that can boot stand-alone, I had good luck w/ :     http://www.dirtcheapdrives.com/  , XM6401B  Toshiba  SCSI Internal CD ROM Drive   for about $80-85 bucks.  M. I ordered several via their web page, and got  delivery in a day or two.t  3 SCSI CDroms seem hard to find at the usual consumert) PC/retail stores.  at least where I live.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:22:01 -0700n! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comn Subject: Re: Alpha CDROMC Message-ID: <OF4A4B480C.AB296DCE-ON882568FF.0074C287@HEALTHNET.COM>e  I Might I suggest you talk to Dave Turner at Island computers? He gave me ahH very competitive price on something that sounds like just what you need.I I've enjoyed dealing with him several times, he's usually gone out of hisn* way to be helpful, and he knows his stuff.   dbturner@islandco.com    Shane?          9 "Jonathan Lee @ Apexxnet" <jlee on 06/15/2000 01:09:39 PM    To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn cc:    Subject:  Alpha CDROM      All,    D    I've got a DEC alpha 3000-400 with an old caddy style cdrom driveE which I'm wanting to swap out for a faster unit with no caddy to fooloF with. Can I just use any old scsi CDROM , or do I have to use one from DEC?  1  Any help appreciated. email to jlee@apexxnet.comM   -JLs   -- Jonathan Lee; Apexx Network Systems                   Phone: 828.586.1810 ; 149 Crestview Heights                     FAX: 828.631.9399o; Sylva, NC 28779                     http://www.apexxnet.comg   ------------------------------   Date: 15 JUN 2000 20:57:26 GMT6 From: greenwoodde@feda01.fed.ornl.gov (Dave Greenwood)( Subject: Anyone installed netCDF on VMS?2 Message-ID: <15JUN00.20572699@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>  C I have a user who's interested in writing some netCDF files on VMS.DD I've downloaded and unpacked the files but before I set about tryingA to build and install it I thought I'd asked if anyone had alreadyuF tried to do so.  If so, did you succeed?  fail?  have any suggestions?  A This will be on a VMS Alpha 7.1-2 with a 6.0 or 6.2 DECC compilers  (depending on where I build it).   Thanks,O Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVrH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Jun 2000 14:59:08 -05001 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)a+ Subject: Re: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor?o+ Message-ID: <AS1GfbksqYc1@eisner.decus.org>h  k In article <8i859g$fp5$4@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:- > c > In article <802568FE.003F70E6.00@qedilc01.qedi.quintiles.com>, steven.reece@quintiles.com writes:09 > :I believe there is a KGB reference too somewhere......( >  >   KGB: Key Grant Block.  > / >   CIA: Compound Intrusion Attempt (or Audit).s > - >   NSA: Non-discretionary Security Auditing.  > , >   The Microfortnights unit of measurement. > ) >   FUBAR: Failed Unibus Address RegisterO > E >   The famous (paraphrasing here) "Hairy code, like its author" and DD >   "if the lights go out, does the shadowset dissolve?" comments in >   the source code. > D >   The "What city, plez?" comment lurking in the directory services# >   SYSAP on older versions of SCS.x > ? >   More than a few chuckles are lurking in the OpenVMS code...i  I None of which can top the old RSX-11M DECnet error code -69: IE.NFW "Pathx lost to network partner"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:21:01 -0600c% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>o+ Subject: Re: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor? B Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000615122034.00b0d100@pop.clsp.uswest.net>  ' At 01:59 PM 6/15/00 , Bob Kaplow wrote:-J >None of which can top the old RSX-11M DECnet error code -69: IE.NFW "Path >lost to network partner"E  4 Ah, yes - you and I both saw that one, didn't we...?   ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+oI | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |oI | Principal Engineer            |  "Time flies like an arrow.  Fruit    |hI | Process Software Corporation  |   flies like a banana."               |$I | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |OI +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+P   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jun 2000 13:36 CSTt' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)i+ Subject: Re: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor?l- Message-ID: <15JUN200013360688@gerg.tamu.edu>s  a In article <DuvCVSfadwwJ@eisner.decus.org>, kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) writes...dv }In article <8iajon$at2$1@sniff.shr.dec.com>, lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman) writes: }> sX }> In article <39488701.2259.14D557@localhost>, Ken Robinson <ksrobin@erenj.com> writes:E }>>Speaking of Datatrieve... Does anybody remember what you got when  D }>>you typed "Help wombat" when you were in Datatrieve and you were M }>>using a terminal that recognized REGIS graphics???  The last time I tried i? }>>the command, at a recent Decus Symposium, it was gone... :-(t }> nD }> HELP WOMBAT is still included.  However, I think you're confusing@ }> it with PLOT WOMBAT, which is what requires a ReGIS terminal. } ( }Wasn't there also HELP WOMBAT ADVANCED? } 
 }	Bob Kaplow	o    Yep. It included such things as:  2                                Wombats, particular  J         Dante Gabriel Rossetti had a wombat who slept (during the day)  inJ         an  epergne  on the dining room table.  He (the wombat) reappeared.         as a dormouse in Rev.  Dodgson's book.   ando  ,                                      Epergne  7         Who knows?  ...clearly someplace wombats sleep.    --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:49:29 -0400s) From: "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com>i+ Subject: RE: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor?dB Message-ID: <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A616B@and02.drc.com>   > -----Original Message-----D > From: carl@gergl1.gerg.tamu.edu [mailto:carl@gergl1.gerg.tamu.edu]. >                                      Epergne > 9 >         Who knows?  ...clearly someplace wombats sleep.  >   G But I thought everyone knew that an epergne is a table centerpiece withNC a large central bowl surrounded by smaller bowls held by radiating S. branches used for serving pickles, nuts, etc.        Eric Ebinger   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:41:11 -0700d! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comm+ Subject: Re: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor?mC Message-ID: <OF61D70B09.0F149F7C-ON882568FF.006665A9@HEALTHNET.COM>e  D No, no no. There's more fun mispronouncing "Network partner exited".   Shane1          9 Dan O'Reilly <dano@PROCESS.COM> on 06/15/2000 11:21:01 AMM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   , Subject:  Re: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor?    ' At 01:59 PM 6/15/00 , Bob Kaplow wrote:eJ >None of which can top the old RSX-11M DECnet error code -69: IE.NFW "Path >lost to network partner"   4 Ah, yes - you and I both saw that one, didn't we...?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:22:36 -0400 * From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>+ Subject: Re: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor? + Message-ID: <39492CFC.BED3569D@rtfmcsi.com>n  . And, of course, there was the TECO business...   $ TECO := $TECO32- $- $ TECO MAKE LOVE not war?         -- Chuck Choppm  8 ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com0                                   ICQ # 22321532@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 400 4935 pagerC                                   8004004935@alphapage.airtouch.com*   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:36:25 -0400t& From: Ken Robinson <ksrobin@erenj.com>+ Subject: Re: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor? . Message-ID: <3948F7F9.11475.1CE3030@localhost>  , On 15 Jun 2000, at 15:22, Chuck Chopp wrote:  0 > And, of course, there was the TECO business... >  > $ TECO := $TECO32  > $  > $ TECO MAKE LOVE
 > not war?  J To be really effective, the following foreign command should be defined...   $ make := $teco32 make $ make loveo not war? *    Ken Robinson ksrobin@erenj.come   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:31:45 -0400H- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> + Subject: Re: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor?@, Message-ID: <39493D2F.53EFA98E@videotron.ca>   Bob Kaplow wrote:sK > None of which can top the old RSX-11M DECnet error code -69: IE.NFW "Patht > lost to network partner"  L On VMS, I keep reading the equivalent as "Network partner excited" And wouldG tell fellow workers that I keep getting my network partners excited :-)I  M (Since English is my second language, I have the luxury of being able to make L such pronounciation mistakes. (exited could be pronounced as excited, desert\ and desert can either mean a lovely sugary food, or a dry area with little rain/vegetation).   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:31:23 -0400D% From: JM <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com>o+ Subject: Re: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor?,O Message-ID: <51D9E67D6D8C225A.AD9D026715AB1518.71752921146C87B8@lp.airnews.net>   E I remember seeing that one once...as ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR proceeded tor5 delete every file on my disk! Really tongue-in-cheek!c   Paul Thompson wrote: >  > My personal favorite ism > L > ANALDISK-W-IDLEHEADER_BUSY idle file header marked "busy"; no need to have > heart failure  > J > (You'll see it in SYS$COMMON:[SYSMSG]FILMNTMSG.EXE if you're never lucky- > enough to get it in an actual ANALYSE/DISK)= >  > Paul   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:37:38 +0100t5 From: "Adrian Lumsden" <A.Lumsden@spamtrap.xdt.co.uk>t+ Subject: Re: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor?e/ Message-ID: <8ibted$s16$3@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>e  5 And for those of you who remember RSX SYSGENs and thet$ length of time they took there was:-       SET /COFFEEBREAK=TI:  < or if you had set the system for a 50Hz line frequency clock it was:-       SET /TEABREAK=TI:n  1 I think it was RSX-11M v3.2 that introduced that.l6 It was gone in the next release. The official word was3 that management had ordered it removed. They wanted . to make SYSGEN seem more "professional".  Talk  about pigs ears and silk purses!   And didn't RT-11 respond to:--       SHOW USERS   with:-       You're the only one!     regard,4   Adrian --( Adrian Lumsden, XDT Computer Systems, UK" A dot Lumsden at xdt dot co dot uk    8 Joe H. Gallagher <dtrwiz@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message# news:3948FBEC.4F74@ix.netcom.com...  > Ken Robinson wrote:m	 > ><SNIP>UE > > Speaking of Datatrieve... Does anybody remember what you got whenLD > > you typed "Help wombat" when you were in Datatrieve and you wereG > > using a terminal that recognized REGIS graphics???  The last time I  tried @ > > the command, at a recent Decus Symposium, it was gone... :-( > >0 > > Ken Robinson > > ksrobin@erenj.come >o7 > Perhaps you were thinking of DATATRIEVE's response toA >O > DTR> help me >4 > You are beyond help. >> > andn >x > DTR> help me advancedt >d > You are not advanced.  > C > My memory is a little fuzzy on this, but I think Jim Starkey (the D > creator of DATATRIEVE) said that Digital management was not amused" > by this "feature" of DATATREIVE. >8 > Joe H. Gallagher, Ph. D.& > Former SIG Chair & Newsletter Editor > DATATRIEVE/4GL SIG of DECUS. > dtrwiz@ix dot netcom dot com$ > See "The DATATRIEVE Programmer" at4 > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/8958/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:22:16 +1200 ( From: Bill Eaton <bouncer@localhost.net>+ Subject: Re: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor?-- Message-ID: <39498F58.E0C92F04@localhost.net>1   Antony Wardle wrote:   > While booting an alpha, (7.1): >:, > I wasn't sure if I had the hold screen, so+ > I thought that I would try a control T to  > see if there was any life. > " > Well, I got a message up sayine: >a" > dead_eater waiting for dead_beef >@1 > I didn't believe it, so I did another control T$ > and got the same message.w >d# > Thought it to be funnily bizzare.u >a. > Anyone know if this actually means anything? >e > Antony  G Old-but-good joke (not invented here) involved programming Motif window  manager like this:   Keys DefaultKeyBindings  { 9 Alt Ctrl<Key>Delete    root|window|icon    f.menu TooManys }b Menu TooMany {w@     "%SYSTEM-W-TOOMNYFNGRS, too many fingers on keyboard" f.beep }o  9 This does not work as expected on all Compaq platforms :)    -i really eatonwatfpdotcodotnze   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:02:13 -0400== From: "Stephane Paquin" <stephane.paquin@nospam.ispatnet.com> " Subject: Re: CONV$RECLAIM question1 Message-ID: <GS825.4123$227.96141@nnrp1.uunet.ca>3  L     I use indexed files for the same purpose but I change the file every dayJ at midnight. I create the new file using the year and the day of the year.J Today's file is ABC-2000-167.DAT. The process that is doing inserts closesL the old file and reopens a new file at exactly midnight, awoken by an AST atK that time. The program that empties the file must remove all records beforee0 it can close the old file and open the new file.  
 Best of luck.h Stphane  ; Randy Park <rjpark@mindspring.com.nospaam> wrote in messagei+ news:8i8ikk$se$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net... : > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message( > news:3943F2FB.2A62849E@videotron.ca...H > > I have an indexed queue file which receives transactions and is then	 > emptiede > > (transactions processed).  > >JJ > > As was explained here earlier, deleted records don't automatically getB > > reclaimed. But the queue file, once all transactions have been
 processed, > > should be almost empty.  > >fL > > Doing performance tests on a MV II (where you can see vast difference inJ > > performance), I have noticed that a CONV$RECLAIM is almost instant for anK > > almost empty file (even if lots of blocks have been allocated), whereas- itF > > takes much longer if I wait a while and it have to reclaim lots of
 > buckets. > >a@ > > I am debating whether I should do a CONV$RECLAIM after every > pass/processing-G > > of the queue, forcing incoming transactions to hold in a MBX deviceI bufferK > > while AST's are disabled for a few seconds, or just do the CONV$RECLAIMv in > ther7 > > middle of the night, taking much longer to execute.a > >AI > > I am tending towards doing it quick/often as opposed to slow/nightly.b HassI > > anyone dealt with the question before, and if so, what sort of issuesr need > I . > > look at ? Any gotchas with doing it often? > >2K > > I realise that I need to close the file , do the convert and re-open it, > later.H > > Is performance in a cleaned up indexed file greater than in one with lots > ofL > > non-reclaimed deleted buckets ? (key 0 is an ever increasing time stamp) > 4 > I've had queue based applications before and found2 > that by using Relative files rather than Indexed2 > files I avoided having to 'rebuild' the file.  I2 > also found that reading sequentially, or in some2 > cases using a binary search, was quite fast when2 > my queue was limited to several hundred records.5 > If your queue is significantly larger this approachr > may not work for you.e >e >o >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:42:54 -04008% From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>  Subject: Re: Fun VMS Facts?9$ Message-ID: <39492749$1@news.si.com>  H >Actually clusters did exist 13 years ago. I helped install a cluster in/ >December 1984 that consisted of 3 VAX 11/785s!e  I Our first cluster happened in 1982 or 3, I think.  We had two VAX 780s ine 1979.f   --  B  Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comB  Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.com>  3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent=  Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@".9         This opinion doesn't represent that of my companye   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:30:52 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: Fun VMS Facts?l- Message-ID: <3949672C.B2411F10@tsoft-inc.com>    Terry Kennedy wrote: > L >   All of the vendors I deal with these days provide rapid response to sec-M > urity problems. Of course, this is one of the criteria I use when selectingt
 > vendors.  N Ummm....  So billie-boy didn't sell as many copies of windoz as he could have?   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:57:14 -0400j! From: Dan Allen <dallen@nist.gov>a Subject: FW: Fun VMS Facts?h: Message-ID: <NEBBIALHDHJMJINPGMOAMEPNCDAA.dallen@nist.gov>  F   VMS clusters came into existence somewhere around 1981-82.  We had a pre-cluster configuration2B   of two PDP 11/70's using a "bread-boarded" UNIBUS controller and customized ACP running in 1979.vH   It used dual ported RP06's (AKA Maytags) and a DHxxx comm link between systems to arbitrate accesstJ   to the disks. We replaced that config in 1982-3 with a VAX 11/780, RP06, HSC50, Star Coupler system.EI   You should have seen the look on the DEC Field Service engineer when hea opened up the BA-11 box withK   the  "bread-board" in it ;-) Needless to say, we had to call the scruffy,  long-haired hippy who builtvJ   the damn thing in the first place to come fix it.  A short trip down the block to Radio Shack laterK   he left us with a fully functional system AND a replacement "bread board"  in case it failed again.F   I just love old computers and my 6V, positive ground, flat head Ford tractor! I just wish I could   get the SOB started!     DanS   -----Original Message-----= From: Brian Tillman [mailto:tillman_brian@cpmx.mail.saic.com]l% Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 2:43 PMl To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: Re: Fun VMS Facts?h    H >Actually clusters did exist 13 years ago. I helped install a cluster in/ >December 1984 that consisted of 3 VAX 11/785s!   I Our first cluster happened in 1982 or 3, I think.  We had two VAX 780s ind 1979..   --  B  Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comB  Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.com>  3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent=  Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"c9         This opinion doesn't represent that of my companyi   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:36:03 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e Subject: Re: FW: Fun VMS Facts?u, Message-ID: <39493E32.7D105001@videotron.ca>   Dan Allen wrote: > ? >   VMS clusters came into existence somewhere around 1981-82.    I I beleive that the original poster, when alluding to 13 year existance ofiM clusters, perhaps was referring to NI (ethernet) clusters ? Didn't these comen in at about 1987 ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:57:20 -0400d' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>h Subject: Re: FW: Fun VMS Facts? ( Message-ID: <8ibfoi$d21$1@pyrite.mv.net>  8 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:39493E32.7D105001@videotron.ca... > Dan Allen wrote: > >e@ > >   VMS clusters came into existence somewhere around 1981-82. >-K > I beleive that the original poster, when alluding to 13 year existance of-J > clusters, perhaps was referring to NI (ethernet) clusters ? Didn't these come > in at about 1987 ?  H I would have said a bit earlier, but that may only have been internally.I And I think the first VMS cluster release was V4 in 1984, though again wewH were using them considerably earlier in internal release (but I'm prettyH sure not as early as 1982, though there may have been prototypes running that early).   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Jun 2000 04:10:23 GMT- From: ccmn@morpheus.its.latrobe.edu.au (Mark)  Subject: GNU-CC on VAX. Message-ID: <8ic9bf$29c$1@news.latrobe.edu.au>   Hi All,f  4 Does anyone know where I will find GNU-CC for a VAX?  V I think I currently have all the files but don't know what logicals need to be setup. 2 And I would like to get the latest version aswell.   Thanks.-  9 _________________________________________________________-
 Mark North Systems ProgrammerB Information Technology Services, La Trobe University, Australia     E Email: Mark.North@latrobe.edu.au   Website:  gonzo.its.latrobe.edu.au8  7 A Life?  Cool!  Where can I download one of those from?r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:42:34 -0400a* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>2 Subject: Re: HELP! booting VAX 4000-VLC off CD-ROM- Message-ID: <394969EA.512C2A5D@tsoft-inc.com>5   Bill Bradford wrote: > G > I've got a VAXstation 4000-VLC, with a Seagate ST11200N SCSI HD in aneI > external enclosure and a Plextor 12X SCSI CD-ROM external as well.  TherI > plextor is jumpered for SCSI ID 6, 512-byte blocks, the HD is ID 0, andT? > the VAX is set to SCSI ID 7.  Here's the output of "SHO DEV":u > E > VMS/VMB   ADDR  DEVTYPE NUMBYTES        RM/FX   WP      DEVNAM  REV E > -------   ----  ------- --------        -----   --      ------  ---a > ESA0      08-00-2B-2A-D7-1AhF > DKA0      A/0/0 DISK    1.05GB          FX              ST11200 9500F > DKA600    A/6/0 RODISK  471.46MB        RM      WP      CD-ROM  1.02 > ..HostID..A/7   INITRs > G > When I try to boot off the CD in the CD-ROM drive (an .iso image of a J > VMS/VAX 7.1.2 CD-ROM; admittedly, this MAY be the problem, but I have no > idea/way of knowing):o  M By .iso do you mean an ISO 9660 or something like that format?  While VMS canyJ read (I think) dual formatted CD-ROM disks, I seriously doubt the firmware and/or bootstrap program can.   P I've got some Plextor 12x-20 or something like that drives, and they work well. P Seen many people claim the Plextor drives work well in VMS systems.  Same on the1 Seagate drive.  Try a 'real' VMS distribution CD..   Dave   -- m4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:44:30 -0400s* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>9 Subject: Re: Help! VAX emulator on Intel with Hobbyist CDh- Message-ID: <39496A5E.BCD998F1@tsoft-inc.com>m   Timothy Stark wrote: >  > Hello Folks: > L > I have a demo version of Charon-VAX emulator.  I was told by Charon that IK > can install with OpenVMS Hobbyist CD.  I tried to follow instructions butdH > something is wrong.  Now I have OpenVMS 7.2 software when I ordered it > recently.o > I > It said that check 'show devices' on VAX console prompt (>>>) and typed?G > 'show devices' but got an error message - ~"?18 INV DGT".  I tried toe5 > enter 'help' but it resulted the same message.  :-(  > I > Does anyone install OpenVMS Hobbyist CD on Charon-VAX successfully?  If G > so, how do I install it?  Or I will have wait for Hobbyist version of K > Charon-VAX, etc?  I hope that Hobbyist version should support Ethernet or J > useless product.  Yes, I am waiting for the Hobbyist version for Eternet > support right now.  M I do believe that the Charon product is for VMS V5.5-2 and V6.2.  Check their  info.    Dave   -- f4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:09:04 GMT0 From: no.spam@columbus.rr.com*7 Subject: How to acquire a hobbyists version of CMS/MMS?0< Message-ID: <kR925.21960$0T2.376735@typhoon.columbus.rr.com>  H I have the licenses for the layered products, but how do I order them? I? cannot see anywhere on the Hobbyist site where I can do so. I'm ' specifically interested in CMS and MMS.n  + Can you order these as a hobbyist on CDROM?O  . I already have the OpenVMS 7.2 Hobbyist CDROM.   Thanks for any help!   -- hM -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 9 Ivan Samuelson                 * isamuels@columbus.rr.com-E IT Architect II                * http://home.columbus.rr.com/isamuelsp3 American Electric Power        * http://www.aep.comsC Be sure to replace no.spam in my e-mail with isamuels when replyinglM -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-F   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:19:26 GMTl- From: tsm@palindrome.org (tsm@palindrome.org)l; Subject: Re: How to acquire a hobbyists version of CMS/MMS?e3 Message-ID: <slrn8kiekn.neb.tsm@user2.teleport.com>e  : On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:09:04 GMT, no.spam@columbus.rr.com   <no.spam@columbus.rr.com> wrote:  I >I have the licenses for the layered products, but how do I order them? Ir@ >cannot see anywhere on the Hobbyist site where I can do so. I'm( >specifically interested in CMS and MMS. >r, >Can you order these as a hobbyist on CDROM? >:/ >I already have the OpenVMS 7.2 Hobbyist CDROM.D  A Probably your easiest option is to purchase an old condist set on C something like eBay. They are sold on there very frequently for low  prices.   G You can also get a field test kit. The 7.3 field test was just recently ( announced, which you can get for $40.00.  C I am not sure if Compaq will let hobbyists subscribe to the condistrI program. I would be very interested in doing so, but on the other hand it' is probably very expensive.e  I I do agree that the people who make the hobbyist CD should include DECset-G on it. This is the first package which any hobbyist would be interestedsI in (much more important than Netscape, Java, etc., which are shipped withs the hobbyist distribution).s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:24:41 -0500e) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>E; Subject: Re: How to acquire a hobbyists version of CMS/MMS? 7 Message-ID: <031d01bfd718$83ca3f80$020a0a0a@xile.realm>   / Ivan Samuelson <no.spam@columbus.rr.com> wrote:l  J > I have the licenses for the layered products, but how do I order them? IA > cannot see anywhere on the Hobbyist site where I can do so. I'mi) > specifically interested in CMS and MMS.e  G A functional equivalent to MMS is MadGoat Make, otherwise known as MMK.'  G You can find a copy at the WKU VMS archives or one of the many mirrors.S  ( http://www.levitte.org/~ava/vms_sw.htmlx  F This should help a little bit until you locate a copy of DECSET media.   -John4 wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:40:19 GMTy From: no.spam@columbus.rr.comL; Subject: Re: How to acquire a hobbyists version of CMS/MMS? < Message-ID: <7Af25.22004$0T2.379306@typhoon.columbus.rr.com>  G Yup, I'm already using that at work, since I can't get them to purchase  DECSet.n  H Too bad there wasn't an equivelant program like CMS. CVS requires you toJ be running a server on another UNIX box in order to use it. And currently,I at work, we don't have any source code control/revision software like CMS H and we could really use it. I'm hoping that if I can show them on my VAX8 box how it works, it might convince them to purchase it.    ( John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@qsl.net> wrote:1 : Ivan Samuelson <no.spam@columbus.rr.com> wrote:m  K :> I have the licenses for the layered products, but how do I order them? IoB :> cannot see anywhere on the Hobbyist site where I can do so. I'm* :> specifically interested in CMS and MMS.  I : A functional equivalent to MMS is MadGoat Make, otherwise known as MMK.m  I : You can find a copy at the WKU VMS archives or one of the many mirrors.m  * : http://www.levitte.org/~ava/vms_sw.htmlx  H : This should help a little bit until you locate a copy of DECSET media.   : -John  : wb8tyw@qsl.network       --  M -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-e9 Ivan Samuelson                 * isamuels@columbus.rr.comrE IT Architect II                * http://home.columbus.rr.com/isamuelsn3 American Electric Power        * http://www.aep.comiM -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 03:09:12 GMT ( From: Mark Saad <2saad_m@spcvxa.spc.edu> Subject: LMF LicenseH Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.1000615215952.138002B-100000@spcvxa.spc.edu>  J I have been playing around with an Alpha server 4/266 and I have tried to G install OpenVMS a few times. THe install goes fine, I then  Key in the f; License I got from Montigar software and reboot the system.1I When The system gets to the Motif login window it allows me to login but .F stop me with the error message of LMF license check failed. After thisJ I cannot do anything and I am returend to the Motif login.  what do I do?   	 Mark Saadg St. Peter's College  Academic Computer Center 2saad_m@spcvxa.spc.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:20:03 -0500t7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>f Subject: Re: LMF License, Message-ID: <39499CE3.8AAD7F7@earthlink.net>   Mark Saad wrote: > K > I have been playing around with an Alpha server 4/266 and I have tried to H > install OpenVMS a few times. THe install goes fine, I then  Key in the= > License I got from Montigar software and reboot the system. J > When The system gets to the Motif login window it allows me to login butH > stop me with the error message of LMF license check failed. After thisK > I cannot do anything and I am returend to the Motif login.  what do I do?   9 Go back to Montagar, get the layered products license(s).t  B Do a conversational boot (see the FAQ* for info.) and do a minimalD startup (no DECwindows). Log in and enter the MOTIF license from the< layered products set. Set STARTUP_P1 back to " " and reboot.  C That should do it, although these directions are, admittedly, a bita terse.   --   David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemso" http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:+ http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:43:48 -0500 ) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>  Subject: Re: LMF License7 Message-ID: <04ad01bfd745$18a82050$020a0a0a@xile.realm>r  ( Mark Saad <2saad_m@spcvxa.spc.education>  K > I have been playing around with an Alpha server 4/266 and I have tried towH > install OpenVMS a few times. THe install goes fine, I then  Key in the= > License I got from Montigar software and reboot the system. J > When The system gets to the Motif login window it allows me to login butH > stop me with the error message of LMF license check failed. After thisK > I cannot do anything and I am returend to the Motif login.  what do I do?   C The MOTIF software license PAK is with the application key package.a  J Get the application license keys from the Montagar Hobbyist site, and then
 install them.e   Hint:l  4 Boot your CD-ROM distribution, and then exit to DCL.  ' Then assuming your system disk is DKA0:n  ; $define LMF$LICENSE DKA0:[VMS$COMMON.SYSEXE]LMF$LICENSE.LDBq  / You can then enter in the DW-MOTIF license key.u   -Johno wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:10:19 +1200 . From: Nivlesh Chandra <NChandra001@itc.gov.fj>" Subject: Locked out... Please helpM Message-ID: <791C2856E8FDD211BAFB0008C759919591F95E@exchange01.govnet.gov.fj>3  J Hi.. I have installed VMS 7.0 on a alpha system and was playing with it. ID was locked out since I forgot my system password but then after someH research was able to find out how to get in by booting in conversational? mode and then setting UAFALTERNATE to 1. And since there was notL sysuafalt.dat file present I was able to get in. Now the problem is that theI same thing has happenend again and this time I cannot use the above sincetJ there is a sysuafalt.dat file in the system. I tried setting the parameterI startup when I rebooted using conversational mode to OPAO: but the system-. gets stuck after giving me the following lines  * Error opening primary input file SYS$INPUT? Error in device name or inappropriate device type for operationt      2 Please help ... I need to get back into the system   Nivlesh    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:27:19 +0200,+ From: Harald van Pee <pee@iskp.uni-bonn.de>t Subject: M16 (Linux) is out 0 Message-ID: <39493C27.1BA0CB7F@iskp.uni-bonn.de>  = its indeed full featured (at least 'cut and past' works :-)).l1 But at least on slow machines its still unusable.FF This means I can't see any advantage over netscape3.03/mosaic 3.6-1 on VMS, but much more problems.  H I suggest, wait at least until M17 the first after full featured release (read maybe first usable)    Just my opinionl Harald   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:58:27 -0700G1 From: Dave C. <DCantorNODCSPAM@shore.net.invalid>   Subject: RE: Mail batch log file9 Message-ID: <02377c23.7d1c5299@usw-ex0108-062.remarq.com>1  8 Don Rogstad's code above will work in most cases, but it0 will fail if the job is submitted with the /NAME< qualifier making the job name different from the file name),8 and where the job name is something that happens to be a7 logical name (e.g., $ SUBM SYSUAF.COM or $ SUBM FOO.COM 9 /NAME=RIGHTSLIST).  You can get some pretty weird resultsS0 trying to parse out the effective log file name.  2 The following code gets the job name specifically,5 rather than relying on the name of the procedure, andl< handles the problem of the name being a logical, by DEFINing5 the job name in /USER_MODE with translation attribute 2 "terminal" to avoid a translation to another name.     > $ job_name = -2     f$getqui("display_job","job_name",,"this_job") > $ logspec = -r;     f$getqui("display_job","log_specification",,"this_job") 7 > $ if logspec .eqs. "" then logspec = "sys$login:.log"m2 > $ defi/user 'job_name' 'job_name'/trans=terminal+ > $ logfilespec = f$parse(logspec,job_name)l > $ show symbol logfilespec   ; Tested and working; I've been using it for years.  However,19 it DOESN'T handle the case where the name is specified ast9 a string with embedded spaces and other weird characters.n  : This still doesn't work if another batch job (or any other< process) creates another version of the log file superseding6 the current batch job's log file during a file search.< Doing F$SEARCH(LOGFILESPEC) works correctly for this purpose# only if there is no higher version.d   Dave C.-     * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful1   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:49:17 -0400:* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>: Subject: Re: Mini symposium in =?iso-8859-1?Q?Montr=E9al?=- Message-ID: <39496B7D.D5187CD1@tsoft-inc.com>8   JF Mezei wrote:h > D > Compaq Canada organised what could probably be best qualified as aP > mini-symposium in Montral this past Monday. About 150 in attendance (but thatW > included a lot of Compaq employees) as well as a small exhibition from a few vendors.  > O > David Booth, the new president of Compaq Canada made a speech, and during thebJ > whole day, it is probably the only time I heard "VMS" (he pronounced theN > "open" though), and he presented it as a strange, surprising fact that there8 > were still some VMS sales, notably to stock exchanges. > I > The rest of the day was devoted to NT and UNIX. Most presentations wereeM > marketing oriented (as opposed to technical content that DECUS was used to,eC > but then again, this was a Compaq event, not a user group event).t > O > When I told one reseller who used to work for Digital (and was my DECrep wheniN > customers were still allowed to have DECreps, his reaction when I told him I > was still working on VMS was:a2 > "Are there any VMS customers left in Montreal" ?  0 Ayep!  I have at least one customer in Montreal.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:27:02 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>n: Subject: Re: Mini symposium in =?iso-8859-1?Q?Montr=E9al?=, Message-ID: <3949BA9F.7E769BF9@videotron.ca>   David A Froble wrote:h4 > > "Are there any VMS customers left in Montreal" ? > 2 > Ayep!  I have at least one customer in Montreal.  F Except for one large aerospace company which runs its parts/productionM scheduling system on large alpha clusters, I think that most of the remainingrH VMS customers in Montreal are in "stable maintenance" mode with not muchK spending. The local Compaq office has, during its presententation in recentaM months, has often mentioned VMS in the past ("UNIX now has all the clusteringIE features many of you HAD on VMS in the past" or not mentioned at all.   N Note that Tandem is in the same position but it has its 3-4 large customers in' Montreal (2 banks, one lottery company)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:01:09 -0400 % From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>-! Subject: OpenVMS Software Pricing $ Message-ID: <394939a2$1@news.si.com>  E Where, oh where can I go to get software pricing for OpenVMS software I (Datatrieve, in particular)?  I searched through Compaq's web site for an H hour and one-half and couldn't find any.  Their "Store" link takes me to6 Beyond.com, where they don't even know OpenVMS exists. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comdA Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.comg= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevente< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:34:47 -0700t5 From: "cstranslations" <cstranslations@email.msn.com>t% Subject: Re: OpenVMS Software Pricing ) Message-ID: <uxWAGty1$GA.321@cpmsnbbsa07>   K Well it's listed at http://www.openvms.digital.com/commercial/ although not- with a http link.t  K Not to ask a stupid question but have you tried 1 800-digital (just ask foraE the OpenVMS group). Having the part number would be helpful (then the, there's no http link . . . )   Perhaps it's been retired?   Joe.    . Brian Tillman <tillman_brian> wrote in message news:394939a2$1@news.si.com...G > Where, oh where can I go to get software pricing for OpenVMS software K > (Datatrieve, in particular)?  I searched through Compaq's web site for antJ > hour and one-half and couldn't find any.  Their "Store" link takes me to8 > Beyond.com, where they don't even know OpenVMS exists. > --C > Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com C > Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.comr? > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent > > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@": >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company >I >s   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Jun 2000 22:37:54 GMT* From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)> Subject: Re: Proxy problem: Why does node:: work but 0:: fail?) Message-ID: <8ibls2$99t$1@hecate.umd.edu>   c In article <017e01bfd67b$367d0e30$020a0a0a@xile.realm>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> writes:  [snip a lot]  < >No, you now definitely have a corrupt NET$PROXY.DAT though. >n >> Actually, I'm tempted to-M >> just delete both of the files (actually, rename them out of the way), do atR >> CREATE/PROXY, and rebuild them from scratch, as there aren't that many entries./ >> Any comments on the wisdom of this approach?s >@D >Completely rebuilding the PROXY file is always a workable solution.   [snip]  F I decided against finessing the problem, and to just rebuild the proxyN database.  I stopped the security server, renamed both the NET*PROXY.DAT filesH to *.SAVE, verified there weren't any left by either name, restarted theN security server, used AUTHORIZE to create a brand new clean proxy database (itO created it in SYS$SPECIFIC:, but I'm not in a cluster, so it shouldn't matter),=; then added the old entries back in.  One of the entries is  G LOCAL:.ULEIS::* */DEFAULT .  I only have a single NET$PROXY.DAT file inI' SYS$SYSTEM:, no NETPROXY.DATs anywhere.r  L I then logged back on as a normal user (my BLEAU account), and did the test:   ULEIS$ DIRE 0::.COM;2 %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening 0::*.COM; as input/ -RMS-E-FND, ACP file or directory lookup failed=< -SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node   ULEIS$ DIRE ULEIS::.COM;   Directory ULEIS::$USER:[BLEAU]  : ACE_COMPRESS_HDF.COM;10                 ACE_GET_LV1.COM;16J DELETE_OLD_DATA_VERSIONS.COM;26         GEN.COM;59          LB_KEYS.COM;184 LB_SYMBOLS.COM;58   LOGIN.COM;133       RNEWS.COM;11   Total of 8 files.m  E So again it works with the node name but fails with node number of 0.r  L I then moved over to another standalone system, UMTOF, and repeated the sameM procedure on it: shut down seecurity server, renamed NET*PROXY.DAT out of thetM way, restarted security server, created new proxy database, verified that wasuO the only copy (only a NET$PROXY.DAT in SYS$SYSTEM:), then repopulated the proxy  database.  Same steps.  N I then logged on as a normal user (I have a BLEAU account there, too), and did the same test.  It worked!   UMTOF$ DIR UMTOF::TEST.COM;0   Directory UMTOF::DISKM1:[BLEAU]l   TEST.COM;13s   Total of 1 file. UMTOF$ DIR 0::TEST.COM;    Directory 0::DISKM1:[BLEAU]t   TEST.COM;13a   Total of 1 file.  J Both modes - node name and just a 0 - work!  What is happening here?  SameL situation on both systems, I'm not using SYSTEM to do the tests (so multipleK mappings for SYSTEM don't matter), same test on both systems, but differenti results.  O It has to be something system-specific.  VMS can't treat a numeric node addressuL of 0 in one manner on one system and differently on another.  It sure soundsM like a network database problem, but I've already checked that: the node name3N is properly defined.  Is there some other subtle difference I may have missed?  	 To recap:t  K There are two standalone systems, both running OpenVMS AXP 7.1-2 and DecnetaO phase V.  There is only a single NET$PROXY.DAT on each system, just rebuilt, sonO it should have no errors, and there are no NETPROXY.DAT files on either system. L The security server on each was shut down and restarted as part of the proxyK database rebuild operation.  The system's node name is defined in the locallF network database for both systems.  Both systems have a proxy entry of LOCAL:.systemname::* * (D) .  L A DIR 0:: fails on system ULEIS for a normal user account, but a DIR ULEIS::J works.  Both a DIR 0:: and a DIR UMTOF:: work on system UMTOF for a normalJ user account.  I did not test either on SYSTEM yet.  The error message is:  2 %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening 0::*.COM; as input/ -RMS-E-FND, ACP file or directory lookup failedm< -SYSTEM-F-INVLOGIN, login information invalid at remote node     Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edu    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:32:37 +0100V" From: Mark <Mark@spam-me-baby.com> Subject: Real Time VMS? 0 Message-ID: <39492F55.64FC36B9@spam-me-baby.com>   Hi,eF     I was wondering if anyone know of any Hard Real Time extentions toH VMS? I currently work on a RT Linux (And extention to the standard LinuxE Kernel which allows true real time performance) system at home, which H got me thinking if such a thing was avaliable for VMS. The sort of thingB I'd be looking is well with in the micro second range for periodic tasks, interrupts etc.  9 I'd be grateful for any info anyone's got on the subject.o   Cheers   Mark   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:03:34 GMTt4 From: "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam> Subject: Re: Real Time VMS?=E Message-ID: <qEa25.33411$hp4.797628@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>r  F NORAD did it by tweaking VMS parameters.  I don't know which ones theyD tweaked.  Needless to say the engineers at DEC were a little amazed.  
 Mike Ober.  / "Mark" <Mark@spam-me-baby.com> wrote in message * news:39492F55.64FC36B9@spam-me-baby.com... > Hi, H >     I was wondering if anyone know of any Hard Real Time extentions toJ > VMS? I currently work on a RT Linux (And extention to the standard LinuxG > Kernel which allows true real time performance) system at home, whicheJ > got me thinking if such a thing was avaliable for VMS. The sort of thingD > I'd be looking is well with in the micro second range for periodic > tasks, interrupts etc. > ; > I'd be grateful for any info anyone's got on the subject.t >e > Cheers >o > Mark >s >h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 23:04:58 +0200 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: Real Time VMS?m( Message-ID: <8ibgak$si7$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  < VMS has some built-in facilities to write real time code on.K Refer to the documentation for the purpose of, say, priority settings abovec? 15 and parameters such as IOTA, QUANTUM and others, and a thing  called kernel mode. C Depends though on your definition of real time, which in many casest3 is used as just an alternative for the word "fast".g8 IIRC Boeing wrote a flight simulator for the 747 on VMS.) I guess that's real time software, right?T It ran on a VAX 11/780...   
 Hans Vlems  H Mark heeft geschreven in bericht <39492F55.64FC36B9@spam-me-baby.com>... >Hi,G >    I was wondering if anyone know of any Hard Real Time extentions tooI >VMS? I currently work on a RT Linux (And extention to the standard LinuxsF >Kernel which allows true real time performance) system at home, whichI >got me thinking if such a thing was avaliable for VMS. The sort of thing C >I'd be looking is well with in the micro second range for periodics >tasks, interrupts etc.s >i: >I'd be grateful for any info anyone's got on the subject. >t >Cheers  >  >Marko >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:39:45 -0700 / From: Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com>e Subject: RE: Real Time VMS?-M Message-ID: <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213019AEEA4@seantexch.unitedad.com>l   Hello All , L              I am migrating from a VAX to a Alpha and I am trying to convertK some .EXE files ,( that I don't have source code for ) using vest . Some oflJ the programs fails the convert with a remark about the VMS version 1.1 . IG find it hard to believe the programs are that old. But in any case theyoG won't convert using vest, is there a min version that vest and convert?t   Thanks   Terry     5 *****************************************************s    5 ***************************************************** 4 Any views or opinions are solely those of the author) and do not necessarily represent those ofi United News& Media.n5 ***************************************************** 4 The information transmitted is intended only for the1 person or entity to which it is addressed and may 3 contain confidential and/or privileged material. If03 you are not the intended recipient of this message,$. please do not read, copy, use or disclose this3 communication and notify the sender immediately. It-0 should be noted that any review, retransmission,2 dissemination or other use of, or taking action in- reliance upon, this information by persons ore- entities other than the intended recipient is9 prohibited.n5 *****************************************************n **   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:27:55 -0700s0 From: "William S. LaCounte" <vmsmanager@ups.edu>! Subject: Replacing a RAID 5 drivei" Message-ID: <3949202A.D69@ups.edu>  G We have a DS20 with several RAID 5 logical drives, each with 3 members.eG One of the RAID 5 sets has been consistently getting soft errors on oneeC particular drive (channel 1 target 1). So many have occurred that IsE pulled the drive out and let the Hot Spare get picked up and rebuilt.h> Everything is running fine, both during the rebuild and since.  F My question is this: I can replace the bad drive with a spare but willE this drive be initialized to the same degree as when you initialize a + drive using the Raid Configuration Utility?t  < Here are the particulars: AlphaServer DS20, 2 cpu, 1 GB mem.F OpenVMS 7.2, Mylex DAC960 3 channel PCI RAID controller, aka KZPSC-BA./ The member drives are RZ29D-VA (Narrow SCSI-2).   5 Any information or help would be greatly appreciated.    Bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:10:57 -0500w* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>. Subject: Re[2]: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor?- Message-ID: <0033000024127135000002L052*@MHS>u   =0A> -----Original Message-----fD > From: carl@gergl1.gerg.tamu.edu [mailto:carl@gergl1.gerg.tamu.edu]. >                                      Epergne >-9 >         Who knows?  ...clearly someplace wombats sleep.D >t  H But I thought everyone knew that an epergne is a table centerpiece with=  B a large central bowl surrounded by smaller bowls held by radiating- branches used for serving pickles, nuts, etc.i       Eric Ebinger  =      Gee, we all thought it was your middle name, Eric... ;-)m        WWWebb=   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:38:23 -0400.) From: "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com>N2 Subject: RE: Re[2]: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor?B Message-ID: <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A616F@and02.drc.com>  & No, my parents aren't that cruel.  :^)  3 Can you imagine learning to spell that?!  *Shudder*   > Obligatory MS spelling checker comment:  Epergne is not in the= Microsoft dictionary and it has no suggestions to replace it.t   Eric Ebinger     > -----Original Message-----3 > From: WILLIAM WEBB [mailto:WWEBB1@email.usps.gov]h' > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 6:11 PM" > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como0 > Subject: Re[2]: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor? >  >  >  > > -----Original Message-----F > > From: carl@gergl1.gerg.tamu.edu [mailto:carl@gergl1.gerg.tamu.edu]0 > >                                      Epergne > >i; > >         Who knows?  ...clearly someplace wombats sleep.l > >  > 9 > But I thought everyone knew that an epergne is a table a > centerpiece withD > a large central bowl surrounded by smaller bowls held by radiating/ > branches used for serving pickles, nuts, etc.  >  >  >  > Eric Ebinger > ? >      Gee, we all thought it was your middle name, Eric... ;-)P > 
 >      WWWebb  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:51:29 -0600 (MDT)l) From: John Nebel <nebel@athena.csdco.com>c2 Subject: RE: Re[2]: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor?F Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0006151749580.1535-100000@athena.csdco.com>  % But it is on the OED CD - see below.    
 John Nebel  ) epergne (______). Also 8 epergn, epargne.:  F [perh. a corruption of Fr. pargne saving, economy; cf. quot. 1779; butH there is no evidence to show how the word acquired its present meaning.]  F A centre-dish, or centre ornament for the dinner-table, now often in aE branched form, each branch supporting a small dish for dessert or theoI like, or a vase for flowers. (From our quots. it appears that the earlier ! use was chiefly to hold pickles.)   G 1761 Bill of Fare in Pennant London (1813) 562, 2 Grand Epergnes filledh with fine Pickles.  H 1775 in Picton Lpool Munic. Rec. 199 That Mr. Mayor be desird to order a handsome silver Epergn.e  B 1779 Mackenzie in Mirror No. 34 6 In the centre..stood a sumptuous" epargne, filled [with sweetmeats].  J 1804 Verses to Dr. Warton in Ann. Reg. 928 [His pupils present him with anJ epergne on his resigning the head-mastership of Winchester, hoping that it' may remind him of Pickles left behind].n  ; 1819 Banquet 60 Waiter, epergne, and tankard, beaker, vase.E  H 1861 Dickens Gt. Expect. xi, An epergne or centre-piece of some kind was in the middle of the cloth.o        * On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Ebinger . Eric wrote:  ( > No, my parents aren't that cruel.  :^) > 5 > Can you imagine learning to spell that?!  *Shudder*  > @ > Obligatory MS spelling checker comment:  Epergne is not in the? > Microsoft dictionary and it has no suggestions to replace it.d >  > Eric Ebinger >  >  > > -----Original Message-----5 > > From: WILLIAM WEBB [mailto:WWEBB1@email.usps.gov]e) > > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 6:11 PMF > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como2 > > Subject: Re[2]: CMQ/Dec with a sense of Humor? > >  > >  > >   > > > -----Original Message-----H > > > From: carl@gergl1.gerg.tamu.edu [mailto:carl@gergl1.gerg.tamu.edu]2 > > >                                      Epergne > > >n= > > >         Who knows?  ...clearly someplace wombats sleep.  > > >t > > ; > > But I thought everyone knew that an epergne is a table a > > centerpiece withF > > a large central bowl surrounded by smaller bowls held by radiating1 > > branches used for serving pickles, nuts, etc.  > >  > >  > >  > > Eric Ebinger > > A > >      Gee, we all thought it was your middle name, Eric... ;-)I > >  > >      WWWebbH > >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:18:55 -0400b- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>(4 Subject: Re: Stealing the best- (was Fun VMS Facts?)/ Message-ID: <skililfois4119@corp.supernews.com>0  E The book is still on DEC's site, you have to go to the very bottom ofc@ http://www.openvms.digital.com/oldIndex.html to get it. The linkB points to http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/20th/vmsbook.pdf.   -- Peter Weaver  B WILLIAM WEBB wrote in message <0033000024101135000002L052*@MHS>...   > ....F >      I've still got the .PDF of this and it appears to be one of the manyD >      wonderful things that has disappeared in the "Compaq-tion" of the oldo >      Digital websites. > B >      I'll be glad to put it up on my website if anyone wants it. > 
 >      WWWebbi   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:10:04 -0300"1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>y/ Subject: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMSeK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A024766@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>a  G Anyone ever noticed how UNIX, Tru64, VAX & Alpha exist in the Microsoft$G products spell checker but OpenVMS doesn't, and how long has Tru64 beenm" around compared to OpenVMS (1991). - Darren    F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andeJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they.L are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingk of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudaOF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:22:36 -0600s% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> 3 Subject: Re: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMSsB Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000615122215.00aed750@pop.clsp.uswest.net>  * At 12:10 PM 6/15/00 , Boyle, Darren wrote:H >Anyone ever noticed how UNIX, Tru64, VAX & Alpha exist in the MicrosoftH >products spell checker but OpenVMS doesn't, and how long has Tru64 been# >around compared to OpenVMS (1991).g  K Tru64 has only be around about 2 years tops...it used to be DIGITAL UNIX...a       ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+wI | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |tI | Principal Engineer            |  "Time flies like an arrow.  Fruit    |wI | Process Software Corporation  |   flies like a banana."               | I | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |CI +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+]   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:34:09 +0000 (   )a3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>N3 Subject: Re: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMS J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10006151832360.24831-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  ) On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Boyle, Darren wrote:r  I > Anyone ever noticed how UNIX, Tru64, VAX & Alpha exist in the Microsoft=I > products spell checker but OpenVMS doesn't, and how long has Tru64 beenS$ > around compared to OpenVMS (1991).  D Ehh, no.  I don't use the microsoft spell checker, and you shouldn't	 either ;)a   Regards,   Chrisr  O ===============================================================================r@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmert Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.:% -------------------------------------]I "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes andDH weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 sO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:49:42 GMTe- From: tsm@palindrome.org (tsm@palindrome.org)r3 Subject: Re: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMSr3 Message-ID: <slrn8ki9cf.4es.tsm@user2.teleport.com>   2 On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:10:04 -0300, Boyle, Darren " <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> wrote:  H >Anyone ever noticed how UNIX, Tru64, VAX & Alpha exist in the MicrosoftH >products spell checker but OpenVMS doesn't, and how long has Tru64 been# >around compared to OpenVMS (1991).M  E "Tru64" is not recognized exactly. Word accepts anything that has any @ numbers in at all. Just enter random strings with numbers at theD beginning, the middle, or the end, and it won't complain about them,G probably assuming that they are variable names or something. "Tru64" is  just an instance of that.S  J VAX is an ultra-common word in computer literature and there's no surpriseI that it's there. Alpha is common outside of computers. It is difficult tosH test other things since it accepts anything in all-caps (e.g. VMS, HPUX, AIX, etc.) a  H Before anybody claims this a conspiracy, I would bet that the dictionaryE is assembled by scanning literature and checking it, and I doubt theysF intentionally weed out competitor's products. OpenVMS is not exactly a& word you see everywhere in common use.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:04:09 -0400o) From: "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com>X3 Subject: RE: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMSnB Message-ID: <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A616C@and02.drc.com>   > -----Original Message-----8 > From: Boyle, Darren [mailto:boyledj@bankofbermuda.com]' > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 2:10 PMr > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com(1 > Subject: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMSl >  > @ > Anyone ever noticed how UNIX, Tru64, VAX & Alpha exist in the  > Microsofte? > products spell checker but OpenVMS doesn't, and how long has T > Tru64 been$ > around compared to OpenVMS (1991).    F Have you tried VMS?  (Mayhap the compilers of the Microsoft dictionaryC agree with those of us who have rejected the marketeers renaming of  VMS.)r   Eric Ebinger  i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:41:47 -0300o1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>e3 Subject: RE: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMSsK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A02476C@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>a  J My point exactly, it's in the Microsoft products spell checker but OpenVMS isn'tn - Darren   > ----------, > From: 	Dan O'Reilly[SMTP:dano@process.com]( > Sent: 	Thursday, June 15, 2000 3:22 PM > To: 	Boyle, Darren > Cc: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com6 > Subject: 	Re: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMS > , > At 12:10 PM 6/15/00 , Boyle, Darren wrote:J > >Anyone ever noticed how UNIX, Tru64, VAX & Alpha exist in the MicrosoftJ > >products spell checker but OpenVMS doesn't, and how long has Tru64 been% > >around compared to OpenVMS (1991).: > E > Tru64 has only be around about 2 years tops...it used to be DIGITALR	 > UNIX...e >  >  >  > ------K > +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+wK > | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |aK > | Principal Engineer            |  "Time flies like an arrow.  Fruit    |aK > | Process Software Corporation  |   flies like a banana."               | K > | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    | K > +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+x >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andgJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theybL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingn of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudalF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:06:55 -0300n1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> 3 Subject: RE: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMSsK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A02476F@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>t   > ----------. > From: 	Ebinger . Eric[SMTP:EEbinger@drc.com]( > Sent: 	Thursday, June 15, 2000 4:04 PM- > To: 	'Boyle, Darren'; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com<6 > Subject: 	RE: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMS >  > > -----Original Message-----: > > From: Boyle, Darren [mailto:boyledj@bankofbermuda.com]) > > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 2:10 PM  > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt3 > > Subject: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMSi > >  > > B > > Anyone ever noticed how UNIX, Tru64, VAX & Alpha exist in the 
 > > MicrosofthA > > products spell checker but OpenVMS doesn't, and how long has I > > Tru64 been& > > around compared to OpenVMS (1991). >  > H > Have you tried VMS?  (Mayhap the compilers of the Microsoft dictionaryE > agree with those of us who have rejected the marketeers renaming ofm > VMS.)c > L Actually Yes, and it works, I also agree that Open in OpenVMS is silent, but" still not as far as copyrights go. - Darren   > Eric Ebinger >  m >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andnJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyeL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingo of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudaeF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:04:55 -0300 1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>o3 Subject: RE: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMSoK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A02476E@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>d   > ----------: > From: 	Christopher Smith[SMTP:chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com]( > Sent: 	Thursday, June 15, 2000 3:34 PM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com6 > Subject: 	Re: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMS > + > On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Boyle, Darren wrote:c > K > > Anyone ever noticed how UNIX, Tru64, VAX & Alpha exist in the Microsoft K > > products spell checker but OpenVMS doesn't, and how long has Tru64 beens& > > around compared to OpenVMS (1991). > F > Ehh, no.  I don't use the microsoft spell checker, and you shouldn't > either ;)h > J True, True, but I can assure you it's not through choice, from my point ofG view using a PC to access a VMS system is just another point of failurer< (well actually probably the only point of failure, he he he) - Darren  
 > Regards, >  > Chrisa > L > ========================================================================== > =====c > "My two cents"1 > (http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)u4 > Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W > Programmer! > Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.n' > -------------------------------------iK > "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes andeJ > weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes= > and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 tL > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -----w >  >  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andgJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they L are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying  of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudaeF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:12:43 GMT.- From: tsm@palindrome.org (tsm@palindrome.org)u3 Subject: Re: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMSs3 Message-ID: <slrn8kie7t.mtq.tsm@user2.teleport.com>.  L On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:04:09 -0400, Ebinger . Eric <EEbinger@drc.com> wrote:  G >Have you tried VMS?  (Mayhap the compilers of the Microsoft dictionarygD >agree with those of us who have rejected the marketeers renaming of >VMS.)  G "VMS" is not marked as a typo but neither is "HDJKLHJKLDFHKLJDFHL". The[J software ignores any all-caps word, supposing that it is an abbreivation.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:44:51 -0400?) From: "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com>-3 Subject: RE: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMSrB Message-ID: <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A616E@and02.drc.com>  2 Microsoft Word spelling and grammar for the string   vmss  + complains about capitalization and suggests  VMSa Vasr CMSs GMSb JMS   ; HDJKLHJKLDFHKLJDFHL results in "Not in Dictionary:" with nor7 suggestions.  It appears that VMS is in the dictionary.k   Eric Ebinger     > -----Original Message-----6 > From: tsm@palindrome.org [mailto:tsm@palindrome.org]' > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 4:13 PM- > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma5 > Subject: Re: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMSN >  > 5 > On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:04:09 -0400, Ebinger . Eric h > <EEbinger@drc.com> wrote:D > ? > >Have you tried VMS?  (Mayhap the compilers of the Microsoft t > dictionaryF > >agree with those of us who have rejected the marketeers renaming of > >VMS.) > / > "VMS" is not marked as a typo but neither is . > "HDJKLHJKLDFHKLJDFHL". The> > software ignores any all-caps word, supposing that it is an  > abbreivation.  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 02:02:28 GMTn0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com>3 Subject: Re: VAX & Alpha exist but where is OpenVMSs& Message-ID: <Fw85J3.Iwr@world.std.com>  % <tsm@palindrome.org> wrote in messagen- news:slrn8ki9cf.4es.tsm@user2.teleport.com...h3 > On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:10:04 -0300, Boyle, Darrene$ > <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> wrote: >aJ > >Anyone ever noticed how UNIX, Tru64, VAX & Alpha exist in the MicrosoftJ > >products spell checker but OpenVMS doesn't, and how long has Tru64 been% > >around compared to OpenVMS (1991).p >eG > "Tru64" is not recognized exactly. Word accepts anything that has anyrB > numbers in at all. Just enter random strings with numbers at theF > beginning, the middle, or the end, and it won't complain about them,I > probably assuming that they are variable names or something. "Tru64" isf > just an instance of that.  >JL > VAX is an ultra-common word in computer literature and there's no surpriseK > that it's there. Alpha is common outside of computers. It is difficult to J > test other things since it accepts anything in all-caps (e.g. VMS, HPUX, > AIX, etc.) >tJ > Before anybody claims this a conspiracy, I would bet that the dictionaryG > is assembled by scanning literature and checking it, and I doubt theyhH > intentionally weed out competitor's products. OpenVMS is not exactly a( > word you see everywhere in common use.  ( Not even within the VMS group at Compaq!   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:10:58 -0500.7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: VAX on Intel?- Message-ID: <39498CB2.6C9BD0D1@earthlink.net>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > i > In article <39483ACA.41D9DA15@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:l > > Larry Kilgallen wrote:
 > > [snip]( > >> So another tactic will be required. > >  > > Such as... > K > It is your crusade (with which I disagree), so you will have to innovate.-C > The stated problem is that you have (thus far) failed to convince-F > those in control at Compaq (although Steve Hoffman seems convinced). > C > Since you also have not convinced me, it is clear I am not a goodF* > source of tactics for convincing Compaq.  C A shame. Since you are such a stalwart, perhaps if you told me whatvG would convince you, I'd stand a better chance of convincing others likeh you.  D For example: how would YOU go about expanding the OpenVMS user base?  B ...or is it that you are not convinced that it SHOULD be expanded?  7 Let's start with the fundamentals, and work from there.o   -- a David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems " http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:+ http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:24:48 -0400-' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>0 Subject: Re: VAX on Intel?( Message-ID: <8icdg3$gmi$1@pyrite.mv.net>  @ David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message' news:39498CB2.6C9BD0D1@earthlink.net...b   ...m  E > A shame. Since you are such a stalwart, perhaps if you told me whatsI > would convince you, I'd stand a better chance of convincing others likee > you. >cF > For example: how would YOU go about expanding the OpenVMS user base? >*D > ...or is it that you are not convinced that it SHOULD be expanded? >t9 > Let's start with the fundamentals, and work from there.s  J I hope Larry will give his own reasons, but in the meantime here are some:  8 For starters, Jeff Killeen's response is worth studying:  G "If the expansion is achieve by doing something that resulted in CompaqeL losing money.  For example dramatically reducing the cost of OVMS to competeL Windows and Linux while maintaining the same levels of support for OVMS theyI provide today when you buy a new license.  That would be a cost structure*0 that volume sales would never compensate for..."  G So that's one reason that an 'affordable' VMS in the Windows (let alone<F Linux) cost range might be hard to achieve (it works with the hobbyistH license precisely because such people don't need support, but that's not true of commercial customers).  H And that's leaving aside the cost of a port to IA hardware.  The port toK Alpha was far from easy, and while that port likely addressed *some* of thee< problems an IA port would have, there'd be a good deal left.  F Who's going to pay for this port?  After it's done, the low-priced VMSA licenses would be lucky to pay the *interest* on the money spent.-  I Such a port might have made sense as a strategic move to (re-)capture the K low end of the market from not-yet-well-established Unix competition over a C decade ago, or to forestall Microsoft from expanding into mid-range E territory (before NT got off the ground), but VMS no longer holds thehF industry mind-share to make that happen today:  the low end is alreadyL crowded with established players (Windows, Linux, other free and not-so-freeL Unixes) all of which have better user-recognition and application support in that market than VMS does.  G Recently, it's been easy to pick up inexpensive VAXen with licensed VMS0G systems on them for a few hundred dollars (comparable to an entry-level J Win98 home system).  This suggests strongly how much demand there would beL for very-low-end VMS systems if Compaq went to the trouble of creating them: just about none.  D To me, this suggests that expansion of the VMS user base (which I doJ consider a desirable goal, and suspect Larry does as well) is not going toJ come via the route you're advocating - at least not in the present climateH and with VMS's present (lack of) industry visibility and acceptance.  WeI should be thankful that it's possible to purchase a new (DS10) VMS system-G for $5000 - $6500 (depending on options), which puts it well within theqD range of any small business that needs VMS, and look to other marketF segments (all of which offer greater margins and profit potential) for expansion opportunities.  G This likely also plays better with Compaq's bean-counters, and while my-L opinion of such bureaucrats in general is less than positive I think currentH circumstances require that Compaq choose its moves with some care (whichL need not mean timidly or slowly).  VMS's strengths play best in mid-range toK high-end configurations, and if momentum can be reestablished there (and ifnK it can't be reestablished there, it likely can't be reestablished anywhere)xK it will provide the encouragement - and market visibility - for more daringn# exploration of other opportunities.   J Meanwhile, we might encourage Compaq to shave its margins a bit tighter inK DS10-level configurations (for example, the 'tier' pricing concept provideseL plenty of precedent for reducing the DS10 VMS system price from that chargedI for DS20 and ES40 systems, reductions which might be extended to options, L including clustering, as well) to test demand elasticity at the low end:  ifK they don't sell many units there now, they won't be taking much of a chance 2 (unlike chancing the cost of a port at this time).   - bill   >l > -- > David J. Dachtera, > dba DJE Systemsa$ > http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/ >b< > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:- > http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 03:54:56 +0500y From: Dan <dan@vrx.net>-% Subject: Re: vaxstation LED meanings?h' Message-ID: <39495EC0.8DAF46E2@vrx.net>i  & --------------A8A8D13241273157E37B684F* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit9  F I've tried that with every vaxstation I've ever owned. It never works.H This one doesn't spin the drives, I put my hand on the outer drive case,; and there's not even slight vibration. It doesn't even try.V  D but to answer your question, I tried it, no display at all. nothing.   Dan. Antonio Carlini wrote:  f > In article <39413E66.7E213C08@itac11-sun.sprint.ca>, Dan Gahlinger <dan@itac11-sun.sprint.ca> wrote: >u: > >ah a clue here. on mine, the hard drives never spin up./ > >so after the SPX test, that's it. it's dead.g > M > Have you tried booting using the serial console (i.e. plug serial line intoE > printer port and flick S3)?- >-	 > Antonio  >eK > Antonio Carlini                            Mail: carlini@true.lkg.dec.comu% > DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS Engineeringt8 > COMPAQ                                     Reading, UK   --" -There are always possibilities...      & --------------A8A8D13241273157E37B684F) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitD  > <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html>F I've tried that with every vaxstation I've ever owned. It never works.F <br>This one doesn't spin the drives, I put my hand on the outer drive case,e? <br>and there's not even slight vibration. It doesn't even try.sG <p>but to answer your question, I tried it, no display at all. nothing.w <p>Dan.  <br>Antonio Carlini wrote:M <blockquote TYPE=CITE>In article &lt;39413E66.7E213C08@itac11-sun.sprint.ca>,u2 Dan Gahlinger &lt;dan@itac11-sun.sprint.ca> wrote:; <p>>ah a clue here. on mine, the hard drives never spin up.-1 <br>>so after the SPX test, that's it. it's dead. I <p>Have you tried booting using the serial console (i.e. plug serial line  into <br>printer port and flick S3)? 
 <p>Antonio <p>Antonio Carlini&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Mail: carlini@true.lkg.dec.com' <br>DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS Engineering* <br>COMPAQ&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Reading, UK</blockquote>  
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 &nbsp;</html>   ( --------------A8A8D13241273157E37B684F--   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:54:21 -0700i/ From: Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com>  Subject: Vest problemiM Message-ID: <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213019AEEA5@seantexch.unitedad.com>*   -----Original Message-----6 From: Terry Marosites [mailto:TMarosites@UNITEDAD.COM]% Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 3:40 PMj To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comc Subject: RE: Real Time VMS?w     Hello All , L              I am migrating from a VAX to a Alpha and I am trying to convertK some .EXE files ,( that I don't have source code for ) using vest . Some ofsJ the programs fails the convert with a remark about the VMS version 1.1 . IG find it hard to believe the programs are that old. But in any case theyiG won't convert using vest, is there a min version that vest and convert?o   Thanks Terryr    5 *****************************************************t    5 ***************************************************** 4 Any views or opinions are solely those of the author) and do not necessarily represent those ofr United News& Media.b5 ***************************************************** 4 The information transmitted is intended only for the1 person or entity to which it is addressed and mays3 contain confidential and/or privileged material. Ife3 you are not the intended recipient of this message,l. please do not read, copy, use or disclose this3 communication and notify the sender immediately. Its0 should be noted that any review, retransmission,2 dissemination or other use of, or taking action in- reliance upon, this information by persons ora- entities other than the intended recipient isp prohibited./5 *****************************************************h **   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:15:56 -0700r2 From: "Randy Park" <rjpark@mindspring.com.nospaam> Subject: Re: Vest problema2 Message-ID: <8ic30b$ua6$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>  = Have you tried ANALYZE/IMAGE to determine the LINKer version?t< That could help you determine which version of VMS they were
 linked on.  9 Also don't use VEST on images linked on VMS 6.0 or later.*  : Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com> wrote in messageG news:1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213019AEEA5@seantexch.unitedad.com...o >u >c > -----Original Message-----8 > From: Terry Marosites [mailto:TMarosites@UNITEDAD.COM]' > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 3:40 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh > Subject: RE: Real Time VMS?s >. >]
 > Hello All ,sF >              I am migrating from a VAX to a Alpha and I am trying to convertlJ > some .EXE files ,( that I don't have source code for ) using vest . Some ofL > the programs fails the convert with a remark about the VMS version 1.1 . II > find it hard to believe the programs are that old. But in any case they4I > won't convert using vest, is there a min version that vest and convert?  >  > Thanks > Terryc >, >d7 > *****************************************************s >e >u7 > *****************************************************P6 > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author+ > and do not necessarily represent those of  > United News& Media.a7 > *****************************************************=6 > The information transmitted is intended only for the3 > person or entity to which it is addressed and may/5 > contain confidential and/or privileged material. Ifp5 > you are not the intended recipient of this message, 0 > please do not read, copy, use or disclose this5 > communication and notify the sender immediately. Itp2 > should be noted that any review, retransmission,4 > dissemination or other use of, or taking action in/ > reliance upon, this information by persons ori/ > entities other than the intended recipient is-
 > prohibited.-7 > ****************************************************** > ** >*   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:10:28 -0500d' From: Bill Bradford <mrbill@mrbill.net>e( Subject: Which SPL CD has OpenVMS on it?- Message-ID: <20000615161028.W6262@mrbill.net>h  @ Which Software Product Library (1-9) CD has the actual bootable @ OpenVMS stuff on it?  CD 1 just tells me "?42 NOSUCHFILE" when I
 try to do a :e   >>> B/R5:10000000 DKA600:r   or a e   >>> BOOT DKA600:   Thanks..   Bill (this is the June '00 set),   -- s* +--------------------+-------------------+* |   Bill Bradford    |   Austin, Texas   |* +--------------------+-------------------+* | mrbill@sunhelp.org | mrbill@mrbill.net |* +--------------------+-------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:37:51 -0500X7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>i, Subject: Re: Which SPL CD has OpenVMS on it?- Message-ID: <394992FF.58F55962@earthlink.net>g   Bill Bradford wrote: > A > Which Software Product Library (1-9) CD has the actual bootable  > OpenVMS stuff on it?  , None. You need the "OpenVMS Binaries" CD(s).   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemst" http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:+ http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/vms/soho/-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:56:16 -0400r* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>, Subject: Re: Which SPL CD has OpenVMS on it?- Message-ID: <39495F10.42BCB055@tsoft-inc.com>i  N Probably none of them.  The layered products CD-ROM distribution normally doesP not include VMS.  In the dim past this was done, but not for many years.  VMS is a seperate distribution.   Dave     Bill Bradford wrote: > A > Which Software Product Library (1-9) CD has the actual bootableeB > OpenVMS stuff on it?  CD 1 just tells me "?42 NOSUCHFILE" when I > try to do a :  >  > >>> B/R5:10000000 DKA600:o >  > or a >  > >>> BOOT DKA600: > 	 > Thanks.t > ! > Bill (this is the June '00 set)u >  > --, > +--------------------+-------------------+, > |   Bill Bradford    |   Austin, Texas   |, > +--------------------+-------------------+, > | mrbill@sunhelp.org | mrbill@mrbill.net |, > +--------------------+-------------------+   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 04:24:18 GMT:( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>, Subject: Re: Which SPL CD has OpenVMS on it?' Message-ID: <Fw8C8I.LAA@spcuna.spc.edu>s  ) Bill Bradford <mrbill@mrbill.net> writes:nB > Which Software Product Library (1-9) CD has the actual bootable B > OpenVMS stuff on it?  CD 1 just tells me "?42 NOSUCHFILE" when I > try to do a :t  G   None of the above. I subscribe to the combined OS+LP+DOC package, butaG that contains 3 individual boxes, one for each of those items. You needt the OS kit.x  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.comb5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAt   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.334 ************************