1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 19 Jun 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 341       Contents:9 Re: Alpha DEC 2000-300 (Jensen?) - Serial port as console ) Re: Changing tape density of Tz86 to Tz85 ( Re: CMU TCP/IP on a Vax VMS v7.x system?% RE: Compaq C v6.2 Single User License % Re: Compaq C v6.2 Single User License % RE: Compaq C v6.2 Single User License % RE: Compaq C v6.2 Single User License  Re: CONV$RECLAIM question  Re: CONV$RECLAIM question  DECnet
 Re: DECnet Directory ACL Question Re: DPW433 and graphic's card 6 Re: Euro2000 football divination service and more.....! Fast ethernet on micro-vax series $ Re: FIND,DFU and [?]F11$MOVEFILE.TMP Re: Fun VMS Facts? Re: Fun VMS Facts? Re: Fun VMS Facts? Re: FW: Fun VMS Facts?' IDE disk size problems on DS-10 and VMS  Re: Intermec Barcode IP printer  Re: Looking for Jnet software  Re: M16 (Linux) is out) Manipulating Mail files (was: New to VMS) - Re: Manipulating Mail files (was: New to VMS)  Re: MVII heat output
 New to VMS Re: New to VMS" OpenVMS Enterprise Toolkit problem# Questions about memory (DS20, ES40) & Re[2]: Techwise report on availability? Re: Storage Works / Snapshots / Maybe it's time to skip OpenVMS # Re: Techwise report on availability + Re: transferring files to/from vms systems? + Re: transferring files to/from vms systems?  Re: VAX on Intel?  Re: VAX on Intel?  Re: VAX on Intel?  Re: VAX on Intel?  Re: VAX on Intel?  Re: VAX on Intel?  Re: VAX on Intel?  Re: VAX on Intel?  Re: VAX on Intel?  Re: VAX on Intel?  Re: VAX on Intel?  Re: VAX on Intel?   VMS Evangelism:  Modest Proposal( What's happeb with the OpenVMS Webpages?, Re: What's happeb with the OpenVMS Webpages?; Re: Which cpu does Sun server use: I386, Mip, Ppc or Alpha?  Re: WTD: VAX parts in OTTAWA  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:20:17 +0100 5 From: "Adrian Lumsden" <A.Lumsden@spamtrap.xdt.co.uk> B Subject: Re: Alpha DEC 2000-300 (Jensen?) - Serial port as console. Message-ID: <8ilhcj$kpq$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>  3 I have found SET CONSOLE SERIAL and have managed to " install OpenVMS onto this machine.  5 I still have problems with the graphics cards and the 3 EISA Configuration Utility. Does anybody know where 2 I can get a new copy of the ECU from? Does anybody, have any information about the graphics card9 (a Compaq QVision 1024/e) and are there any alternatives?   
 with regards,    Adrian --( Adrian Lumsden, XDT Computer Systems, UK" A dot Lumsden at xdt dot co dot uk      > Adrian Lumsden <A.Lumsden@spamtrap.xdt.co.uk> wrote in message) news:8ig5s6$i1f$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... 8 > I have just been given a bare DEC 2000 (PB22h-CX) that' > has/had OSF on it (which won't boot).  > 4 > It has 64MB RAM and an RZ26 disc and RRD43 CD-ROM. > 9 > I am having troubles with booting the Alpha OpenVMS o/s 8 > CD, both 6.2 and 7.2-1. Both of the output the OpenVMS> > Version xxx message followed by a copyright notice and then: > ( >     Installing required known files... >     Configuring devices... > 4 > and then an OpenVMS Alpha Operator Console message< > appears at the bottom of the screen. The CD activity light0 > continues to flash for a while and then stops. > = > If I hit return a few times the CD activity light flashes a : > few times and then stays off. I have the impression that% > it was waiting for some user input.  > 7 > Does anybody know how to start up one of these things : > using a VT420 (ono) as a console device?  I suspect that7 > I have some problem with the graphics card / drivers.  > 2 > It looks as though the graphics card is a Compaq; > QVision 1024/E. I have tried using the EISA Configuration @ > Utility (ECU) to look at the configuration but it will not run > correctly. It reports: > 4 >     Error: Device error. Press any key to continue > 7 > I have no manuals and a quick trawl on the web didn't  > turn up very much. > 
 > regards, >  > Adrian > --* > Adrian Lumsden, XDT Computer Systems, UK$ > A dot Lumsden at xdt dot co dot uk >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:42:58 +0100   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com2 Subject: Re: Changing tape density of Tz86 to Tz85> Message-ID: <80256903.0040765D.00@qedilc01.qedi.quintiles.com>  & George Cornelius quoted John Malmberg:. >>>> You have a manual for a TF86, not a TZ86. > N > The recommended procedure is to init the tape on a Tx85, or one of the newerM > devices where you can specified the tape's density from the front panel.<<<   O That's almost it, although DSNlink gives an extra required step (which I didn't J know about until just now).  Apparently you have to write a one file dummyM saveset on the start of the tape on the Tx85 drive as otherwise the Tx86 will L write on the tape as though you have initialized it as a Tx86 tape.  The oneO file dummy saveset is not required when just carrying out copys and QIOs from a  program.  H This step is not required on a TF86 if the FORCEDENSITY parameter is setN appropriately.  Setting it to 1 means the TF86 will write TF85 tapes, whilst a5 value of 2 means that the TF86 will write TF86 tapes.    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:12:49 +0100 (GDT)  From: Andy.Harper@kcl.ac.uk 1 Subject: Re: CMU TCP/IP on a Vax VMS v7.x system? 1 Message-ID: <SIMEON.10006191349.B@odin.kcl.ac.uk>   , On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:01:30 -0400 JF Mezei % <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:    > cpcapeddler1 wrote:  > >  > > Friends, > > K > > Has anyone gotten CMUIP to work on a VAX v7.x system?  I have tried and I > > it calls for some _70 object file that appearently is not included in K > > the kit from CMU or isn't created correctly during the install process.  > N > Yes, I have found one copy on the net with an unofficial hack and recompiledL > to work on VMS 6 and higher, and it works on a Microvax II running VMS 7.2 > L > Can't remember where I picked it up, but when it starts up, it says it is Q > clive@baby.bedroom.gen.nz with version 6.6-5K (where the K stands for kludge !)     B    All known CMU stuff is archived at my we server. However, it's C lacking details of how to set up CMU on VMS 7.x so if anyone could  @ supply those details, I would be grateful (I'll add them to the  FAQ).    See:3    http://www.agh.cc.kcl.ac.uk/files/vms/cmu-tcpip/    Regards,   Andy Harper  King's College London    ----------------------   Andy.Harper@kcl.ac.uk    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jun 2000 13:15:02 GMT8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond). Subject: RE: Compaq C v6.2 Single User License6 Message-ID: <8il6cm$lm7$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  L In article <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A024780@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>, 3 "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> writes:   M >...there is no license required for a single user to login to the console...   M Actually, a license is "required" to do this.  However, the OpenVMS operating O system software will let you login on the console without a license registered. G Among other things, this gives you the ability to register the license!    --  K     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USA F          (hammond@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:57:07 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> . Subject: Re: Compaq C v6.2 Single User License) Message-ID: <394E26B3.68B8CBD4@bbc.co.uk>    "Boyle, Darren" wrote:   > Todd,  > M >         If you just want one person to use this system (and it's you) login N > from the console, there is no license required for a single user to login toL > the console, obviously if this is for somebody else to use your system you- > would not want to give them console access. 
 > - Darren >   O Darren, I think you misread the question, Todd wants a licence for Compaq C not ? VMS. You can't compile even from the console without a licence.   ? Anyway, I didn't think the compiler licences were transferable.    >  > > ----------? > > From:         Todd Nelson[SMTP:toddnelson@lehighcounty.org] 0 > > Sent:         Friday, June 16, 2000 12:54 PM > > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 3 > > Subject:      Compaq C v6.2 Single User License  > > N > > I am in need of a single user license (part number QL-015AA-2B) for Compaq > > C  > > version 6.2 OpenVms Alpha. > > G > > I was quoted a price of around $1000.00 from compaq services... was L > > wondering if anyone had this license floating around that wanted to sell > > it
 > > cheap. > > 
 > > Thanks > > 	 > > Todd.  > >  > >  > >  > H > **********************************************************************E > This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and L > may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.O > They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they M > are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, D > please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.K > You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying   > of this message is prohibited. >  > Bank of Bermuda H > **********************************************************************   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:03:16 -0300 1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> . Subject: RE: Compaq C v6.2 Single User LicenseK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A024784@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>   , Yep sorry didn't see the "C" in the subject. - Darren   > ---------- > From: E > hammond@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net[SMTP:hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net] - > Reply To: 	hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net ' > Sent: 	Monday, June 19, 2000 10:15 AM  > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com1 > Subject: 	RE: Compaq C v6.2 Single User License  >  >  > In articleC > <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A024780@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>,  5 > "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> writes:  > D > >...there is no license required for a single user to login to the > console... > E > Actually, a license is "required" to do this.  However, the OpenVMS  > operating E > system software will let you login on the console without a license 
 > registered. I > Among other things, this gives you the ability to register the license!  >  > --  I >     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL  > USA H >          (hammond@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)L >       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's. >  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they L are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying  of this message is prohibited.   Bank of Bermuda F **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:10:28 -0300 1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> . Subject: RE: Compaq C v6.2 Single User LicenseK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A024787@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>   B Yep very true, the "C" just didn't register when I read the title. - Darren   > ----------4 > From: 	Tim Llewellyn[SMTP:tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk]$ > Reply To: 	tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk' > Sent: 	Monday, June 19, 2000 10:57 AM  > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com1 > Subject: 	Re: Compaq C v6.2 Single User License  >  >  >  > "Boyle, Darren" wrote: > 	 > > Todd,  > > I > >         If you just want one person to use this system (and it's you)  > login G > > from the console, there is no license required for a single user to 
 > login toJ > > the console, obviously if this is for somebody else to use your system > you / > > would not want to give them console access.  > > - Darren > >  > K > Darren, I think you misread the question, Todd wants a licence for Compaq  > C not A > VMS. You can't compile even from the console without a licence.  > A > Anyway, I didn't think the compiler licences were transferable.  >  > >  > > > ----------A > > > From:         Todd Nelson[SMTP:toddnelson@lehighcounty.org] 2 > > > Sent:         Friday, June 16, 2000 12:54 PM! > > > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 5 > > > Subject:      Compaq C v6.2 Single User License  > > > I > > > I am in need of a single user license (part number QL-015AA-2B) for  > Compaq > > > C   > > > version 6.2 OpenVms Alpha. > > > I > > > I was quoted a price of around $1000.00 from compaq services... was I > > > wondering if anyone had this license floating around that wanted to  > sell > > > it > > > cheap. > > >  > > > Thanks > > >  > > > Todd.  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > J > > **********************************************************************G > > This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and A > > may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy  > legislation.L > > They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom > theyD > > are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient,F > > please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.E > > You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or 	 > copying " > > of this message is prohibited. > >  > > Bank of Bermuda J > > ********************************************************************** >  > --8 > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project2 > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.C > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  > C > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  > MedAS or the BBC.  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:55:02 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>" Subject: Re: CONV$RECLAIM question- Message-ID: <394DC3C6.2B3838C1@tsoft-inc.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > David A Froble wrote: S > > If I remember the start of this thread correctly, you're using the indexed file R > > for some type of queue.  Quite do-able for this purpose.  But most of the timeR > > when people set up a queue file, expecting to store and forward some data, andQ > > also expecting specific data to have a limited life, some type of linked list : > > structure is one of the most favored design decisions. > D > But using RMS makes it easier to implement a clusterable solution.  O Last time I looked, a RMS RELATIVE FIXED file was still a RMS file.  Still uses # the DLM.  Still works in a cluster.   M Unless you have need of the addressing capabilities of the RFA, then longword G pointers in a relative record along with data works just fine.  Have an L appropriately large file set up, then just move the records from one list toL another as required.  No deleted records.  No clean-up of any kind required.  P As for corruption and recovery, make part of the data the name of the queue listF or whatever appropriate for your application, and a program that readsL sequentially through the file will recover all records, and can re-build all: your linked lists.  Really simple stuff.  Want an example?   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:05:26 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> " Subject: Re: CONV$RECLAIM question) Message-ID: <394E0C86.AB952F23@bbc.co.uk>    JF Mezei wrote:J   > David A Froble wrote: S > > If I remember the start of this thread correctly, you're using the indexed file R > > for some type of queue.  Quite do-able for this purpose.  But most of the timeR > > when people set up a queue file, expecting to store and forward some data, andQ > > also expecting specific data to have a limited life, some type of linked listR: > > structure is one of the most favored design decisions. >tD > But using RMS makes it easier to implement a clusterable solution. >oI > CONV$RECLAIM is no big deal to use.  And as someone suggested, if I use P > buckets large enough, chances are that the reader portion of the queue will beM > able to delete records in the bucket fast enough to prevent the bucket from R > getting full. (which means that the deleted records inside a bucket get reused). >oK > Also, using RMS instead of a proprietary home grown equivalent means thatwJ > VMS's standard tools can be used to diagnose and recover a corrupt file.  ' JF, in case you didn't already realize,   S Linked lists are easily implemented using VMS's native queue handling instructions,hK which are accessible from the run time library also (LIB$INSQ*, LIB$REMQ*).   --r6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:35:17 GMTi From: umayxa3@my-deja.coms Subject: DECnetO) Message-ID: <8il7ik$ha7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  1 I just started with a company that's using DECnet:. to transfer files from their VMS system to PC.  > I come from a Solaris/WinNT environment. I'm not familiar with< VMS or DECnet. I can use the DECnet File Transfer Utility on@ my Win98 PC to FTP from the VMS Alpha server to my local machine6 but I cannot ping the alpha machine from a DOS prompt.  > Can someone help me figure this system out? I want to FTP fromC the Alpha machine directly to a remote server. If I can ftp throughnE DECnet, I should be able to "see" the Alpha server from a DOS prompt.i   Please e-mail any responses to:  mailto://umayxa3@donet.com   Thanks  
 -Allen May    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:02:46 -0400i* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: DECnett- Message-ID: <394E5236.E4F9ECD1@tsoft-inc.com>s   umayxa3@my-deja.com wrote: > 3 > I just started with a company that's using DECnet 0 > to transfer files from their VMS system to PC. > @ > I come from a Solaris/WinNT environment. I'm not familiar with> > VMS or DECnet. I can use the DECnet File Transfer Utility onB > my Win98 PC to FTP from the VMS Alpha server to my local machine8 > but I cannot ping the alpha machine from a DOS prompt. > @ > Can someone help me figure this system out? I want to FTP fromE > the Alpha machine directly to a remote server. If I can ftp throughpG > DECnet, I should be able to "see" the Alpha server from a DOS prompt.i  O DECnet is NOT TCP/IP.  Ping is a TCP/IP utility, not a DECnet utility.  You can K only use ping if TCP/IP is also running on the Alpha.  Also, you cannot FTP + through DECnet, as FTP is a TCP/IP utility.f  P If DECnet is installed and running on both systems, and the network supports theI DECnet protocol, then you can use DECnet for the copy operation.  If bothr1 systems are running TCP/IP, then you can use FTP.l   Dave   -- t4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:45:58 -0400 (EDT)nQ From: Ira Melamed - Database Administrator <MELAMEIS@SNYFARVA.CC.FARMINGDALE.EDU>S Subject: Directory ACL Questiont< Message-ID: <01JQSB13WDSM8ZE6VX@SNYFARVA.CC.FARMINGDALE.EDU>  : I have some applications that write to a common directory.  < The applications running in batch queues, create unique file> names by concatenating username and a system generated number.  C Currently, each batch job contains a line similar to the following:u  4 	$ SET PROTECTION = (S:RWED,O:RWED,G,W:RWED)/DEFAULT   The directory protection is:   Directory DISK100:[000000]            TEST.DIR;1fJ                      [TESTACCT,TEST]                  (RWE,RWED,RWED,RWED)J           (DEFAULT_PROTECTION,SYSTEM:RWE,OWNER:RWED,GROUP:RWED,WORLD:RWED)  C I would like all *.DAT files to be created in this directory *with*eA "world read" protection and all *.LOG and *.LIS created *without*r "world read ".  4 Can this be done with ACL's on the common directory?  G If not can anyone suggest a clean method of setting the file protections! on the fly...thanks in advance...n  "                                 im  H dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba G o Ira Melamed                    o                                    otG r Database Administrator         r Email: MELAMEIS@FARMINGDALE.EDU    r4G a Farmingdale                    a                                    aaG c State University of New York   c Phone: (631) 420-2415              c G l Whitman Hall - Room 271        l                                    lrG e Farmingdale, New York 11735    e Fax  : (631) 420-2696              eaH dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2000 13:34:17 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)& Subject: Re: DPW433 and graphic's card* Message-ID: <394e0539$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  ` In article <39487cb3_2@dilbert.ic.sunysb.edu>, jlauret@?.chem.sunysb.edu (Jerome LAURET) writes:C >	I tried to turn a DPW433 worstation into an OpenVMS Alpha stationtL >(making join our cluster). It had WindowsNT on it before and we do not have >any use for it so ... d  ' PWS433a or PWS433au ? Both ran AlphaNT.vM The PWS433au is supported by OpenVMS. The difference is/was graph controller, 0 disk controller and the disk/CD-ROM (SCSI, IDE).  I >	It works perfectly as far as I can tell  except that I have a hard timecO >to find a graphic's card which works. I have tried the PBGXGC-AA but this cardo  & PBXGC-AA (note the typo) is a ZLXp-L1.G A ZLXp-L1 is (as some other cards) no longer supported by Open3D. But I:J think, files have not been removed from the kit, so I expect them to work.@ Have you installed the various ECOs for VMS ? Maybe they help...  N >cuases an immediate system crash whenever DECwindows starts. I also tried an Q >older card (PMAGB-BA) and it is not recongnized by the hardware (i.e. at console.O >level, it tells me that an uknown card is plugged to slot #bla and that I havec >to remove it.  I PMAGB-BA is AFAIK the old 8plane HX card, which is not a PCI card, so I'm  not surprised.  F >	Does anyboddy know or have some experience with a DPW433 station andQ >what kind of graphic's card it can use ? This is not an Open3D issue !!! (I havemE >a rather new version of it OPEN3DA049 which includes ZLXp-E* cards).e  J Open3D V4.9A is still the newest version. As I wrote, it includes the ZLXp# cards, but no longer supports them.eJ And as Fred wrote, support for graphic cards will move (and partly alreadyB did) to the VMS base system kit/lic back again over the next time.. Open3D will then only be for real 3D/OpenGL...  I >	BTW : I do realize that the DPW433 is an "unsuported" model for VMS but O >it's trying hard or having a machine doing nothing and resting on a desk ... I  >think the choice is clear.   L Check the new PowerStorm 300 and 350, though I have no experience with them.D I'm still stuck with my PS 4D50T which does NOT work with OpenVMS...  I You may also use the system without a graphic controller and use a remotes5 X11 server instead, if you are not successful at all.c   -- m< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" 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        lei   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:36:32 +02003$ From: reindert.voorhorst@philips.com* Subject: Fast ethernet on micro-vax series- Message-ID: <0056890011596397000002L972*@MHS>4   L.S.  H Is there anyone who knows of or has experience with a fast ethernet ada=( pter on the micro-vax 3100-80 to 3100-96 series? H The only type we know is probably offered by nemonixinc, though at a so=8 mewhat less affordable price. Are there other solutions?   								Regards, 								R. Voorhorst=    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2000 12:03:58 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)- Subject: Re: FIND,DFU and [?]F11$MOVEFILE.TMPm* Message-ID: <394df00e$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  g In article <394843F3.3B3B2973@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:  >Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:". >> With a $ find/allo=(10000,1000000000) disk:* >> I found a file I didn't expect to find: >> o >> [?]F11$MOVEFILE.TMP;1 >s; >Do these file show up in an ANALYZE/DISK/NOREPAIR display?a  1 No. I probably would have found them years ago...h  / >Can you DUMP/HEADER/BLOCK=COUNT=0 these files?p  : If I know the real FID, then yes. But alas the asterisk...N So nobody knows FIND good enough to tell what the asterisk does in this game ?   >How 'bout DIRECTORY/FILE_ID?  > $ >(i.e., an OpenVMS "native" command)   To do what ?+ DIR lists only file entered in a directory.y2 And as I wrote the Backlink File Id is (0,0,0) ...    N So, is this a real file ? Does it occupy space on the disk (eg. 189788 Blks) ?I Why is the FID funny and why does AN/DI not find the file as "not enteredd in a directory" or similar ?   -- e< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:19:40 +0100D- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>0 Subject: Re: Fun VMS Facts?y) Message-ID: <394E0FDC.A908550D@bbc.co.uk>r   "Larry D Bohan, Jr" wrote:  2 > On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:04:41 -0700, "Randy Park"( > <rjpark@mindspring.com.nospaam> wrote: >.< > >From the early 1980s to 1998, Microsoft ran most of their9 > >domestic order processing and accounts receivable on ae; > >cluster of VAXs using the Maxcim software package.  When < > >they replaced it with SAP on Windows NT and SQL Server 7,7 > >the number of people needed to support it tripled ors > >quadrupled. >d< > I'd heard they had 14 TurboLasers (vms) at least one site.D > for Internal finance apps, but also running Pathworks.  Go figure.  E but, will anyone ever own up to having RUN those VMS boxes for m$ :-)      --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uki  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofr MedAS or the BBC.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:26:29 -0400,- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>o Subject: Re: Fun VMS Facts?q. Message-ID: <sksette7e7f20@corp.supernews.com>  A I took a look at http://www.kevinmitnick.com/sentest.html since IoC thought a printout of the actual statement posted on the wall would 9 look good. The closest thing I can find is Mitnik saying;a  
 =========== I have 20 years experience circumventing information security  measures, and can > report that I have successfully compromised all systems that I targeted for unauthorized access save one.*
 ==========  D I could not find any place where he said what that one system was. ID could not find any mentioned of VMS, Digital or DEC in the document.F If anyone finds a quote where he says that the one system was VMS then let us know.     -- Peter Weaver  " Martin Vorlaender wrote in message2 <394a3419.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>.../ >John Nixon (jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net) wrote:h: >: "Martin Vorlaender" <martin@radiogaga.harz.de> wrote...C >: > Rich Marcello just pointed out today in the OpenVMS Directionsy	 TeleforumfA >: > that Kevin Mitnick stated the only OS he couldn't break into*
 easily was	 >: > VMS.* >:F >: Can you point me to any kind of link that I can use to support that
 >: statement.,E >: It may help tip the scales in a very large decision regarding OVMS  that we. >: have coming up real soon. >w< >OK, I pulled out the slides again, and the exact wording is >s ><QUOTE>A >OpenVMS was the only environment that the world's most notorious- hacker5 >couldn't break into as testified to in U.S. Congress 	 ></QUOTE>  >r2 >(Rich mentioned Mitnick's name along this slide.) >uC >I guess there was a Congess (commitee?) hearing where Mitnick saido that.  > D >Apart from that, I have no idea where to point you to - this was an. >invitational (does one say so?) presentation. >e >cu,	 >  MartinQ >--dE >                       |  Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmera2 >  OpenVMS: When you    |  work: mv@pdv-systeme.de >  KNOW where you want  |s( http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/9 >  to go today.         |  home: martin@radiogaga.harz.der   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:31:31 -0400u+ From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com>M Subject: Re: Fun VMS Facts?l0 Message-ID: <394E0493.5E07768@trailing-edge.com>   Peter Weaver wrote:s > C > I took a look at http://www.kevinmitnick.com/sentest.html since I E > thought a printout of the actual statement posted on the wall would ; > look good. The closest thing I can find is Mitnik saying;  >  > ==========? > I have 20 years experience circumventing information securityd > measures, and canc@ > report that I have successfully compromised all systems that I > targeted for > unauthorized access save one.i > ========== > F > I could not find any place where he said what that one system was. IF > could not find any mentioned of VMS, Digital or DEC in the document.H > If anyone finds a quote where he says that the one system was VMS then > let us know.  A I'm sure he's broken into VMS systems - Kevin Mitnick is a master D of "human factors" weaknesses, and calling up the VMS system managerB and saying that you're a user who has lost his password works just> as well there as it does anywhere else.  And 12+ years ago theC "FIELD SERVICE" account and password tricks were in place in a huge." fraction of the sites running VMS.   Tim.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:13:19 GMTe! From: Ian Parker <parker@gol.com>  Subject: Re: FW: Fun VMS Facts?i& Message-ID: <mkZwgBAw+UT5EwCP@gol.com>  H In article <2B760A94907CBD11.FF19BC7266FB7277.DD69A60E895A994A@lp.airnew. s.net>, Chris Scheers <asi@airmail.net> writes" >steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote: >>  N >> According to "VAX OpenVMS at 20" (1977-1997 ... and beyond) on pages 62 et  >seq,nH >> the announcement of clusters by Digital was in 1983, with local area  >VAXclustersQ >> in 1986.  This would put them at about v4.5.  The pages before (pp60/61 - VMS   >tohP >> OpenVMS: Major Releases) indicate that clusters shipped in v4, September 1984 >> (around 40,000 licenses). >tH >If I remember correctly, LAVCs were introduced in VMS 4.5B.  Initially,F >support may have been restricted to the VS2000s, but I don't remember >that for sure.a >tF >FWIW: We had a VAX/780, CI780, HSC50, and RA60s and RA81s running VMSF >3.7.  The hardware was meant to be the basis of a cluster system, butI >was delivered before the clustering software was released, so it ran 3.7  >with several patches. > H >-----------------------------------------------------------------------% >Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.t >eH >817-237-3360 (Voice)    817-237-3074 (Fax)    Internet: asi@airmail.net  C I also remember using HSC50s on a 780 shortly before clustering wasi available, in 1983 I believe.e   -- t
 Ian Parker   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:43:17 +0200m$ From: reindert.voorhorst@philips.com0 Subject: IDE disk size problems on DS-10 and VMS- Message-ID: <0056890011596509000002L992*@MHS>e   L.S.  9 Machine type DS-10; Open-VMS 7.1-2 with relevant patches.oH Somewhere in this thread at a certain time in the past I read a comment=+  from Mr Hoffman about IDE disk size limitsP1 within VMS; some very large sizes were mentioned.iH At the moment we see a problem with a Maxtor 40GB disk. With show devic=1 e /full de cylindercount seems to be truncated on H a 16 bit boundary. Initially it will look like 40GB but spurious VMS bu=6 gchecks occur. They disappear when jumpering the driveH to 32 GB size and then the cylinder truncation does not happen. More in= formation is available. H Is this a firmware problem (updated to version 5.7) or is this related =5 to Open-VMS 7.1-2 and not an issue in Open-VMS 7.2-1. H By the way; performance seems to be a little slow compared to plain old=  SCSI.   								Regards, 								R. Voorhorst=m   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:58:18 GMTg From: itjck01@my-deja.come( Subject: Re: Intermec Barcode IP printer) Message-ID: <8iljf4$pc5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>t  2 In article <394A2831.FBB7B8FE@americasm01.nt.com>,C   "Swaffield, Harold [CRK:1342:EXCH]" <hswaffie@americasm01.nt.com>v wrote:D > We are experiencing a problem, and have been unable to resolve it.5 > Hopefully someone can provide me with some answers. G > We are trying to setup an Intermec 4200 Barcode printer using I/P andaE > ucx. We have done this many times with HP Laser printers, utilizingo > the Telnetsym  <snip>  E With OpenVMS 7.2-1 with Multinet 4.2A, I have barcode print queues to  Intermec 3400's as follows:a  G Printer queue MBCBNGPSV8, idle, on ALAXP3::NLP50:, mounted form BARCODE   (stock=DEFAULT)$   < DC Intermec Bar Code Labeler 8 >?   /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FEED,FORM=BARCODE (stock=DEFAULT))t8   /LIBRARY=VISTA_INTERMEC_3400 Lowercase /OWNER=[SYSTEM]C   /PROCESSOR=MULTINET_STREAM_SYMBIONT /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S)a  * ALAXP3_itjck01> show que/form/full barcode9 Form name                            Number   Description 9 ---------                            ------   -----------c5 BARCODE (stock=DEFAULT)               10000   BARCODE4)     /LENGTH=66 /MARGIN=(BOTTOM=6) /SETUP=e! (8646MODE,SHP3400) /STOCK=DEFAULTE     /TRUNCATE /WIDTH=132    F This is a Telnet stream port 9100 print setup.  My VISTA_INTERMEC_3400: device library contains two modules, 8646MODE and SHP3400.   The 8646MODE module contains:s ^B<ESC>c0^Co   The SHP3400 module contains: ^B<ESC>P;E4;F4,ShpV32;L39;D0;^Ci; ^BH00,compny;o0010,0000;f0;h001;w001;c0;r0;b00;d0,30;D39;^Ce6 ^BH01,add-1;o0010,0010;f0;h001;w001;c0;r0;b00;d0,30;^C5 ^BH02,town;o0010,0020;f0;h001;w001;c0;r0;b00;d0,30;^C A ^BH05,shipv;o0010,0235;f0;h001;w001;c2;r0;b00;^C^Bd3,Customer:;^Cr& ^BL06,BoxR;o0350,0001;f3;l0090;w002;^C& ^BL07,BoxL;o0570,0001;f3;l0090;w002;^C& ^BL08,BoxT;o0350,0001;f0;l0220;w002;^C& ^BL09,BoxB;o0350,0090;f0;l0220;w002;^C7 ^BH10,carier;o0130,0235;f0;h001;w001;c2;r0;b00;d0,20;^CR7 ^BH15,Return;o0010,0038;f0;h001;w001;c2;r0;b00;d0,25;^Cs7 ^BH16,pkgid1;o0360,0010;f0;h001;w001;c0;r0;b00;d0,25;^C 7 ^BH17,pkgid2;o0360,0025;f0;h001;w001;c0;r0;b00;d0,25;^Cb7 ^BH18,pkgid3;o0360,0040;f0;h001;w001;c0;r0;b00;d0,25;^Ca7 ^BH19,pkgid4;o0360,0055;f0;h001;w001;c0;r0;b00;d0,25;^Co7 ^BH20,pkgid5;o0360,0070;f0;h001;w001;c0;r0;b00;d0,25;^C A ^BH21,shipto;o0110,0085;f0;h001;w001;c2;r0;b01;^C^Bd3,Ship To:;^Cb7 ^BH26,WEIGHT;o0280,0255;f0;h001;w001;c2;r0;b00;d0,11;^C 9 ^BH30,ZIP;o0042,0063;f0;h001;w001;c0;r0;b00;^C^Bd3,ZIP;^Cn8 ^BB35,ZIPBAR;o0020,0210;c0,0;f1;h075;w001;r0;i0;d0,06;^C6 ^BH40,line1;o0110,0105;f0;h001;w001;c2;r0;b00;d0,30;^C6 ^BH45,line2;o0110,0125;f0;h001;w001;c2;r0;b00;d0,30;^C  @ I is my understanding that you have to tell the Intermec barcodeC printers to print in a given barcode mode before you try to print a3A barcode label. Hence, why the library and the modules.  The firstbC module (8646MODE) puts the barcode printer in a given mode, and the-3 second module sets the printer up to print a label.r  E I could be wrong for what you are trying.  But the above is my setup,'3 which I hope helps you how you might set your's up.    :) jck   ---c$ Free personal opinion is what I post    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:23:12 GMTe0 From: Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org>& Subject: Re: Looking for Jnet software9 Message-ID: <Qgo35.185590$701.2455984@news4.giganews.com>    Hello Folks:  I Thank you for information.  I contacted Wingra Technologies that now haveSJ Jnet products.  I was told that they no longer sell Jnet software anymore. :-(t  G I like Jnet software because I can use SEND command to send and receive H messages between users on OpenVMS operating systems and other hosts like IBM mainframes.   E How about hobbyist version? So that I have Hercules-390 IBM mainframeoH emulator with its native operating system (OS/360, etc.)  I like to haveI Jnet software to transfer files between Hercules-390 and OpenVMS systems.DG Also I like to write a program by using Jnet API for non-commerical user (personal use).    Any suggestions?  
 Thank you!   -- Tim Stark   -- kC Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.org, sword7@firesword7.net J --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2000 14:37:32 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: M16 (Linux) is outg* Message-ID: <394e140c$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  ^ In article <39493C27.1BA0CB7F@iskp.uni-bonn.de>, Harald van Pee <pee@iskp.uni-bonn.de> writes:> >its indeed full featured (at least 'cut and past' works :-)).2 >But at least on slow machines its still unusable.  ' It is unusable on faster machines, too.gA AUTOPROXY still doesn't work. (Solution is now promised for M20).   G >This means I can't see any advantage over netscape3.03/mosaic 3.6-1 onu >VMS, but much more problems.e  J There are advantages. If a webserver insists of having an browser NS >= V4K or MSIE >= V4 (and even our own webservers do, because the PR dept told the L webmasters so) then you're SOL with above combination (and maybe LYNX, too).  I >I suggest, wait at least until M17 the first after full featured releaser >(read maybe first usable)  , I wait and wait and am still disappointed... -- s< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888t< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:07:29 GMT39 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)d2 Subject: Manipulating Mail files (was: New to VMS)+ Message-ID: <WDu709NSy9v3@eisner.decus.org>l  Z In article <394DF738.E2F22E12@mahindrabt.com>, Vikas Desai <vikasd@mahindrabt.com> writes:  5 >     I am new to VMS (I worked on UNIX before this).   F In comp.os.vms please use a subject line that describes the discussionD topic rather than your experience level (the experience level in the body is helpful).g  M >     I am trying to write a program which will do some actions automaticallymI > for a user when he receives a mail in his inbox. As soon as the mail is K > received I want to process the mail and perform some actions depending ono > the contents of the mail.  > L >     My problem is how do I trap the event of receiving a mail and how do I > manipulate the mail box.  G Manipulating mail messages is done by calling the Mail Utility Routines.D described in Chapter 13 of the OpenVMS Utility Routines Manual (partD number AA-PV6ED-TK).  There is also an online version of this manualE on the documentation CD-ROM that came with your copy of the operating5A system, but for an area this complex, I would recommend using the  hardcopy documentation.   G Trapping the receipt of mail is not easily done, as I recall, and mighth3 actually require polling using the above interface.,  E It would also be possible to write your own back-end interface to the?E mail system, such as the TCP/IP vendors provide, and that might allow-C for notification.  I believe the specifications for doing that haveeA not officially been made public, so you might have to use the VMSeC Source Listings (more expensive than the book above) as an example.2  B Another tactic would be to intercept broadcast messages indicatingB new mail has arrived.  Use a Pseudoterminal logged in as the user.  > In general, I would suggest doing the manipulation part first,1 while refining the requirements for notification.    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jun 2000 15:07:45 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)6 Subject: Re: Manipulating Mail files (was: New to VMS). Message-ID: <8ild01$amd$1@info.service.rug.nl>  + In article <WDu709NSy9v3@eisner.decus.org>,e< Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:   H >Manipulating mail messages is done by calling the Mail Utility RoutinesE >described in Chapter 13 of the OpenVMS Utility Routines Manual (part)E >number AA-PV6ED-TK).  There is also an online version of this manualgF >on the documentation CD-ROM that came with your copy of the operatingB >system, but for an area this complex, I would recommend using the >hardcopy documentation.  G How would this compare, performance-wise, with doing the same thing in  = DCL, i.e. a script which issues the commands one would issue @' interactively to achieve the same goal?    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:20:05 GMT - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>i Subject: Re: MVII heat outputn( Message-ID: <394E1E02.B2203274@ohio.edu>  G There are indeed several ways in which power (energy per second) leaves  the computer room:  G -  in the electronic signals going down the network, printer port, and 03    terminal port connections to external locations;:  F -  the light from the front panel lights that are visible through the      windows of the computer room;  E -  the acoustic power in the sound waves that penetrate the walls of      the computer room.   H Each of these individually and their sum total are tiny fractions of theF total electrical power consumed by the computer system and transformed$ into heat within the computer room.    					RDP     "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote:  > M >         "All" is correct!  It shows up as heat *somewhere*.  Even the lightaJ > emitted by LED's makes a minute contribution as it's absorbed by variousL > materials in the room.  Signals transmitted outside the computer room willI > subtract a minute amount from the Air Conditioning load in the computer / > room but it ALL shows up *somewhere* as heat!i > " > Message text written by JF Mezei > >"Joe H. Gallagher" wrote:K > > electrical system have reached their steady state operating conditions,, > > all0J > > additional power eventually ends up as thermal load in the environment > " > The use of "all" is not correct. > L > Don't forget all the electrons that escape and run for their lives through > the L > ethernet and serial cables and travel as far as they can from the computerL > room. Don't forget all those little LEDs that emit light, don't forget theB > energy dissipated by creating the roar/sound of the machine. :-) > <n   --  B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:04:33 +0530.) From: Vikas Desai <vikasd@mahindrabt.com>  Subject: New to VMS4. Message-ID: <394DF738.E2F22E12@mahindrabt.com>   Hi,i3     I am new to VMS (I worked on UNIX before this).V  K     I am trying to write a program which will do some actions automatically G for a user when he receives a mail in his inbox. As soon as the mail is I received I want to process the mail and perform some actions depending onC the contents of the mail.   J     My problem is how do I trap the event of receiving a mail and how do I manipulate the mail box.   OS = OpenVMS V7.1 on Alpha..   TIAv   Regards, Vikas.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:51:04 -0400<6 From: "Michael A. Foley" <mike.foley@technologist.com> Subject: Re: New to VMSr8 Message-ID: <cGo35.239432$VR.3606508@news5.giganews.com>       Welcome to VMS...n  F     If you are using VMSmail, you can use the freeware tool DELIVER toJ     manipulate mail to your hearts content. Go to http://www.montagar.com.,     The Freeware CD is online there I think.     mike    6 "Vikas Desai" <vikasd@mahindrabt.com> wrote in message( news:394DF738.E2F22E12@mahindrabt.com... > Hi,d5 >     I am new to VMS (I worked on UNIX before this).  >r? >     I am trying to write a program which will do some actionss
 automatically/I > for a user when he receives a mail in his inbox. As soon as the mail is-K > received I want to process the mail and perform some actions depending oni > the contents of the mail.e >mL >     My problem is how do I trap the event of receiving a mail and how do I > manipulate the mail box. >  > OS = OpenVMS V7.1 on Alpha.. >i > TIAk >m
 > Regards, > Vikas. >  >u   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:41:14 +0200o. From: Matthias Djurkovic <djurkovic@geonet.de>+ Subject: OpenVMS Enterprise Toolkit problemi) Message-ID: <394E14EA.C3E294BC@geonet.de>   	 Hi there,   9 does anyone have experiences with the Enterprise Toolkit?m  F I've downloaded the trial-version and am now trying to use it. But theE client-part strikes when I try to load the add-in DLLs from VC++ 6.0..- The only message is 'Cannot load Add-In DLL'.t  A Could it be that the Toolkit just works with US-Version of Visualh Studio?e   Thanks in advance,   M. Djurkovic   ------------------------------  / Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:56:06 +0200 (MET DST)r& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>, Subject: Questions about memory (DS20, ES40)/ Message-ID: <200006190701.JAA16742@fom.fgan.de>    Hello,  @ I do have some questions about the memory for the DS20 and ES40.A I did see, that there is DIMM with 512 MB for the DS10. Can I usenC four of them per bank on the DS20? Also there are 1024MB DIMMs out.u% Are they also usable within the DS20?<G Does anybody know the MHz of DS20 memory? The DS10 memory (SX-MS310-xy)+D is desribed as 100MHz and the same for XP900 as 87MHz. What's right?E If I am right, then the memory for the ES40 are a bankmodul with four F DIMMs. Can I buy a cheap one (e.g. 128MB for an ES40 AlphaStation) andD exchange the DIMMs with higher sized cheap standard industry memory?   TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:40:18 -0500a* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>/ Subject: Re[2]: Techwise report on availabilityt- Message-ID: <0033000000036554000002L042*@MHS>(  	 =0A<snip>    And when did the Gartner< Group did write something positive about VMS the last time ?   <snip>  )      November 17, 1858, as I recall.  ;-)         WWWebb=   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:22:09 GMTd% From: "P.Lj" <plj@byron.ext.telia.se> H Subject: Re: Storage Works / Snapshots / Maybe it's time to skip OpenVMS2 Message-ID: <394DE30D.A3D31CAE@byron.ext.telia.se>  O We have just asked CPQ for a similar functionality in HSG-controllers, like the-	 HZTerm or-F something similar, that would allow us to start cloning/snapshots from VMS-backup-procedures   ( CPQ is looking at it right now, I belive   /P.Lj      Hal Kuff wrote:l  G >    What we're looking for is a snapahot via command files or API thatrG > allows us to only take users offline for 5 mins.... cloning a striped0H > mirrorset would defeat the purpose....  Adding mirrors and taking themI > away to convert them to units for mounting would be clumsy and probably  > unscriptable > I > In article <4.3.2.7.0.20000617144256.00bbb650@24.8.96.48>, Dan Sugalskii > <dan@sidhe.org> wrote: >o. > > At 04:30 PM 6/16/00 -0400, Hal Kuff wrote: > >  > >n< > > >    IS there any kind of snapshot supported by OpenVMS?K > > >    We'd sure like to buy about $200,000 worth of new Storage, but thecM > > >ability to do snapshots from OpenVMS is not negotiable. This needs to be47 > > >scripted and run several times per day unattended.h > >mO > > What kind of snapshots? If you're just talking about cloning disks, you can O > > do that now and have been able to for ages. Either use the CLONE support innN > > the HSx controllers to snapshot individual drives or, for RAID volumes andN > > such, make and break shadow sets. Rebuilds on the shadow sets are a bit of > > a pain, but it works.	 > >	 > >o/ > >                                         Dane > >,M > > --------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------a6 > > Dan Sugalski                          even samuraiC > > dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and evene? > >                                       teddy bears get drunk:   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Jun 2000 14:00:01 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER), Subject: Re: Techwise report on availability* Message-ID: <394e0b41$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  i In article <39490377.99DC4FE5@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:S7 >Have you read the Techwise report on availability that  >is on www.openvms.compaq.com ?    Yes. Months ago.   >It looks pretty good !0   Indeed.f  8 >But what I wonder about is: how independent & reputable >is this company Techwise ?/  K Never heard of this company before then, and so did our managers. This verywH positive VMS Message was simply discarded by them, because of this fact.I GARTNER Group and sometimes IDC is their source. And when did the Gartner < Group did write something positive about VMS the last time ?     --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888M< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Jun 2000 13:33:45 GMT0 From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)4 Subject: Re: transferring files to/from vms systems?5 Message-ID: <8il7fp$rdu$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>1  K In article <394D22AD.ADB89299@vrx.net>, Beyonder  <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote:0N : What's the easiest way given only serial connection access and a regular PC?I : please don't say pathworks, I don't have it. well, I do, but it's on my;6 : alpha and I have no easy way to get it off of there. : N : I was thinking kermit or rz/sz stuff, but the problem is I still have to getB : them onto the vms system in the first place. sort of a catch-22. : I : Unless there is source code somewhere (I can ascii upload then compile)5E : RZ/SZ would be my preferred choice but I have no idea where to find17 : those any more. I haven't seem them in over 10 years.1 : ...b : ideas? suggestions?  :  Kermit.o  L The old old Bliss-language Kermit-32 for VMS is quite small and is availableN in hex form, for "ascii upload" to VMS.  You didn't say whether the VMS systemO in question is VAX or Alpha; assuming it's VAX, see Section I, "Bootstrapping",f of:1  /   ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/ckvins.txth  I Once you've installed Kermit-32, you can use it to upload the real thing,e
 C-Kermit 7.0:u  -   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.htmli  - Of course you can also get C-Kermit on CDROM.O   - Franke   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:05:01 +0500u From: Dan <dan@vrx.net> 4 Subject: Re: transferring files to/from vms systems?' Message-ID: <394E60CD.B81F6D11@vrx.net>w  & --------------B5B50099801FA96810D0FA3A* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitj  + Any idea where I can find rz/sz these days?-) at least kermit is better than nothing...1   Dan.   Frank da Cruz wrote:  	 > Kermit.a >sN > The old old Bliss-language Kermit-32 for VMS is quite small and is availableP > in hex form, for "ascii upload" to VMS.  You didn't say whether the VMS systemQ > in question is VAX or Alpha; assuming it's VAX, see Section I, "Bootstrapping",g > of:  >t1 >   ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/ckvins.txtc >eK > Once you've installed Kermit-32, you can use it to upload the real thing,M > C-Kermit 7.0:m >n/ >   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html  >b/ > Of course you can also get C-Kermit on CDROM.n >m	 > - Frankr   --" -There are always possibilities...      & --------------B5B50099801FA96810D0FA3A) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-asciis Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitp  > <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html>0 Any idea where I&nbsp;can find rz/sz these days?- <br>at least kermit is better than nothing...  <p>Dan.r <p>Frank da Cruz wrote:- <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Kermit.-O <p>The old old Bliss-language Kermit-32 for VMS is quite small and is availableyH <br>in hex form, for "ascii upload" to VMS.&nbsp; You didn't say whether the VMS systemS <br>in question is VAX or Alpha; assuming it's VAX, see Section I, "Bootstrapping",- <br>of: s <p>&nbsp; <a href="ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/ckvins.txt">ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/ckvins.txt</a> L <p>Once you've installed Kermit-32, you can use it to upload the real thing, <br>C-Kermit 7.0: o <p>&nbsp; <a href="http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html">http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html</a>s0 <p>Of course you can also get C-Kermit on CDROM. <p>- Frank</blockquote>g  
 <pre>--&nbsp; ( -There are always possibilities...</pre>
 &nbsp;</html>i  ( --------------B5B50099801FA96810D0FA3A--   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:29:35 -0400t* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: VAX on Intel?- Message-ID: <394DBDCF.47310E8F@tsoft-inc.com>P   Bill Todd wrote: > J > Dave Froble has suggested in another post that SCSI drives (possibly IDEI > drives as well) are sufficiently standard that virtually any will 'just(L > work' with VMS (though I suspect that most of his direct experience may beN > with non-clustered configurations), which if generally true sounds like whatJ > you are asking for.  My impression is that the reason VMS qualifies SCSIK > drives is primarily to ensure that their multi-initiator support actuallySG > works as specified, which applies only to clustering use - but if youpM > believe the statistic someone floated recently that 90% of VMS systems live H > in a cluster, then it's not clear that it's worth bothering to qualifyN > drives for non-clustered use (especially if virtually any drive will work in > that setting).  L Yep, MicroVAX 3100 type systems.  These systems have a rather primitive SCSIM interface, and support narrow (8-bit) data transfers only.  However, from thenF past, they are/were the low end.  The only clustering is via ethernet.  N Now, for larger systems, it's not too smart trying to save a few bucks on diskG drives.  In any decent cluster the cost of the drives is a rather smalliM percentage of the total system cost.  Why would anyone ask for grief by using 2 anything else besides qualified DEC/Compaq drives?  K > 1)  VMS is eminently affordable.  It just isn't as inexpensive as Windowsn
 > (or Linux).a > J > 2)  Making VMS as inexpensive as Windows (or Linux) - and even followingI > suit by allowing it to run on equally inexpensive hardware, or even the D > *same* hardware - won't necessarily make it any more attractive toN > developers, or end-users:  in the absence of compelling feature differences,L > developers prefer system platforms in already-widespread use, so that theyE > have the largest immediately-available market, and end-users prefermJ > platforms already familiar to them or their friends/business associates.  N So what are most PCs used for?  Writing documents.  Spreadsheets.  Games.  TheL first 2 run on commodity systems, and probably always will.  There's just noN profit there, unless you sell millions, and MS has already done so.  The last,P well I approached a games developer once, inquiring about porting games to VMS. K Not them, I wanted to look at the issue.  They wouldn't even talk to me, noiP responses, nothing.  They appear to feel that their current market is just fine,P thank you, and won't even consider anything else.  Hey, anything can change, butO I don't look at any of these applications to be in widespread use on VMS in thel near future.  L So what about the rest of the PCs?  Now you're no longer talking hundreds ofM millions.  Maybe not even in seven digits.  From that perspective much of the K argument for porting to Intel (hundreds of millions of systems) disappears.l  N > Now, when you put it in that limited a manner, it gets more reasonable.  ButK > (as I mentioned earlier) Dave Froble's experience seems to be that VMS isKN > happy to talk to commodity SCSI (and perhaps IDE) drives, and they work just5 > fine.  So what exactly are you saying is a problem?   5 Actually, no experience with IDE and VMS.  SCSI only.e   >  However, until theiE > > marketing for OpenVMS finally makes its twenty-plus years overduep > > appearance,g > L > I don't think *anyone* disagrees with you on this point:  that's the firstM > step Compaq must take, and there's little indication that they realize thathJ > it's a lot bigger job than just ceasing to actively stifle VMS marketing: > entirely and improving the Web site to something usable.  9 And now the core of the matter is exposed.  VMS, the mostRK (scalable/reliable/secure/robust/etc) commercial operating system availablegP today!  The many versions of that statement need to be repeated until people getM and believe the message.  Talk isn't all that's required, but talk may be thes most important requirement.t   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:25:47 GMTm, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: VAX on Intel?+ Message-ID: <X6CTm+UVWk9l@eisner.decus.org>h   In article <Pine.LNX.4.05.10006180115490.15883-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>, Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> writes: >  > iMac VMS, anyone?m > D > Not so crazy as it may sound... the endianness of a powerpc cpu isH > switchable, and it's a 64-bit platform, so it wouldn't be such a largeG > step back as a port to IA32 would be.  It would also allow you closereD > control over the hardware, since apple is very specific with their
 > systems. >   E Unfortunately they way Apple ships their PowerPC based systems, theretG "hardwired" into big-endian mode.  That is, there's no way for the usereJ to select little endian mode in preparation to booting a little endian OS.  ' Maybe this just requires a PROM change.e  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationr= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GroupoE  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replyinga   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:34:44 GMT=, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: VAX on Intel?+ Message-ID: <+sA5IqTlNipE@eisner.decus.org>   R In article <8ihee1$70i$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes:  N > See above:  while DEC may have been mislead about the outcome, I don't thinkK > there's any doubt that it was pushing hard for OSI and against IP, rather # > than just an innocent by-stander.r [...]>  J > I'd be curious to hear how other people remember this particular part ofH > history:  my impressions are pretty distinct, but they could be wrong.  E I recall having meetings with DEC where custmers accused DEC of beingdJ too slow on OSI.  The US federal government did put OSI requirements into G it's specs, but at a time when ISO hadn't finished the OSI standard andi% no vendor had a complete OSI product.m  D DEC, like other vendors, had a stac kand a couple applications basedF on draft standards.  DEC's response was that they felt they were beingH agressive on OSI, but they couldn't produce a product to a standard that didn't yet have a draft.  A By the time ISO finished the OSI standard and several vendors had G products out, the government had given up and gone to IP.  Every vendor F who created an ISO/OSI product lost money on it.  All the oher vendorsE were into IP and stayed there, only DEC kept up with OSI because theys5 coincidentally saw a need to replace DECnet Phase IV.F   IMHO fault the feds.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporations= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GroupnE  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:13:47 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>r Subject: Re: VAX on Intel?( Message-ID: <8ild3m$dtb$1@pyrite.mv.net>  D My point wasn't whose fault it may have been that OSI flopped on the> Internet, it was that DEC was far from unbiased in the matter.   - bill  7 Bob Koehler <koehler@eisner.decus.org> wrote in messagee% news:+sA5IqTlNipE@eisner.decus.org...gL > In article <8ihee1$70i$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes:  > J > > See above:  while DEC may have been mislead about the outcome, I don't thinkiF > > there's any doubt that it was pushing hard for OSI and against IP, rather% > > than just an innocent by-stander.d > [...]t > L > > I'd be curious to hear how other people remember this particular part ofJ > > history:  my impressions are pretty distinct, but they could be wrong. > G > I recall having meetings with DEC where custmers accused DEC of being.K > too slow on OSI.  The US federal government did put OSI requirements into0I > it's specs, but at a time when ISO hadn't finished the OSI standard andm' > no vendor had a complete OSI product.t > F > DEC, like other vendors, had a stac kand a couple applications basedH > on draft standards.  DEC's response was that they felt they were beingJ > agressive on OSI, but they couldn't produce a product to a standard that > didn't yet have a draft. >0C > By the time ISO finished the OSI standard and several vendors hadeI > products out, the government had given up and gone to IP.  Every vendoreH > who created an ISO/OSI product lost money on it.  All the oher vendorsG > were into IP and stayed there, only DEC kept up with OSI because theyn7 > coincidentally saw a need to replace DECnet Phase IV.u >0 > IMHO fault the feds. >IH > ----------------------------------------------------------------------A > Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationn? > Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GroupiG >  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replyingc   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:00:15 GMT,0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com> Subject: Re: VAX on Intel?& Message-ID: <FwEsH9.Hou@world.std.com>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:394D19A6.E14B3E41@videotron.ca... > Bill Todd wrote:I > > Compaq needs to make a profit on the endeavor to justify it.  So far,o youl5 > > have produced no convincing evidence that it can.e >eK > No, the real philosophical question is really: Compaq needs to prioritizel the J > pushing of products which are more profitable than others. Unfortunatly,I > Compaq is intent on pushing Bill Gates products which yield very littler profit2 > at the expense of much more profitable products.  5 Tim Yeaton and Rich Marcello might disagree with you.d > L > Even if VMS were priced competitively with W2K, I am convinced it would beK > more profitable overall than selling a wintel box where all of the margin0 goes > to Microsoft.H  : To a point, yes... but have you factored in support costs?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:03:27 -0400o& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc> Subject: Re: VAX on Intel?% Message-ID: <394e42ed@news.toast.net>4   > IMHO fault the feds.  J You may be able to fault to feds for success of OSI - but the decision notD to do TCP/IP was driven by other factors for which Digital owns fullE responsibility.  Think of it this way if Two Guys and Vax could get atL product out the door in a short period of time don't you think Digital, withG its huge engineering resources at the time (remember we are talking theaJ 1980's), could have done the same thing?  Digital for business reasons was" not going to be TCP/IP friendly...     --     Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc-E =====================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:07:02 GMT 0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com> Subject: Re: VAX on Intel?& Message-ID: <FwEsM8.I8D@world.std.com>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:394D6A75.12A37D17@videotron.ca... > Chris Scheers wrote:I > > Whether or not the IA64 hardware costs more or is slower doesn't make5H > > any difference.  The point is that the IA64 systems are going to get/ > > sold and companies will have them in house.e >sH > It is a darn shame that Compaq did not seize on the opportunity to nip IA64 inw( > the bud by pushing its Alpha big time.   C'est vrai.h  $ > Since IA64 is so late and since itL > won't have great performance compared to the 8086, Alpha could have reallyK > made itself THE prominent chip. But for as long as Compaq remains a slave  to > Microsoft, it won't happen.w  H You may recall that DEC pinned its hopes for Alpha volumes on Windows NT? back in the mid-90's. At the time, the strategy appeared sound.   G Fortunately, Linux has emerged as an alternative. Alpha/Linux sales are D growing dramatically. And you'll find no Affinity Slaves in the RichE Marcello OpenVMS Group. That nonsense was swept out the door with WesV Melling.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:55:02 +0000 (   )o3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  Subject: Re: VAX on Intel?J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10006191552440.28416-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  ( On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, Jeff Killeen wrote:  M > Even Gates knows that for shared data enterprise business applications (not K > decision support applications) the fat client PC application is a sitting L > duck.  If you don't think they are in a panic over this study their VisualN > Studio V7 and NGWS strategies.  MS knows the ASP model will be the model the	 > future.   H MS _asserts_ that the ASP model will be the model of the future.  I meanE this at no disrespect, but where's the proof of this?  Either lots ofyD people know something I don't, they're just listening to MS(BAD, BADI idea!), or they're just blowing their own hot air.  I have no idea which,  and I'd like to know. :)   Regards,   Chrisn  O ===============================================================================e@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmerp Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.t% -------------------------------------oI "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and:H weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 uO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------C   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:24:18 +0000 (   ) 3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>u Subject: Re: VAX on Intel?J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10006191624441.28416-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  % On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, Bill Todd wrote:y  N > developers, or end-users:  in the absence of compelling feature differences,L > developers prefer system platforms in already-widespread use, so that they  C I think that "prefer" may be the incorrect term.  I'd take VMS overaG windows any day, I only develop for windows because as of now it's whatfH the job requires.  The job, of course, requires it because the PHMs like windows and don't know better.  I > own beliefs is not likely to change mine or anyone else's.  But I wouldmN > suggest that the popularity of Alphas in the Linux community should offer atK > least some indication of whether Alpha pricing is completely unreasonable.K > compared to IA pricing:  that's an apples-to-apples comparison situation.n  H Yes, if linux people bought new alphas.  Personally, all of the people IJ know with alphas have bought them used. (Because they're expensive new...  ;)  N > I'd suggest, then, that you manage the perception that pricing is a problem,> > rather than base a major initiative on that (false) premise.  F Well, pricing is a problem for me... if I started a buisness out of myE home, I certainly wouldn't be able to afford a new VMS box to run it.n  F Maybe compaq should offer price breaks for small operations, and maybe> even a "wow, a new customer, here's a discount" sort of thing.  D > No, you haven't:  you've just told people that you believe that anL > 'affordable' VMS will magically lead to its revival.  Others disagree with  G Well, I think it might pave the way for its revival.  The revival wouldpH take a lot of marketing work also.  Marketing work, without availabilityD to the small start-up company kind of people will likely go nowhere, AFAICT..  J > it's a lot bigger job than just ceasing to actively stifle VMS marketing: > entirely and improving the Web site to something usable.  J Of course, that web-site thing would be a good start.  Honestly, what goodI are corporate restrictions on content even?  No offense to anyone who mayeG work on it, but the Compaq web-site is in a sad state of disrepair.  It. seems to need more attention.?   Regards,   ChrisC  O ===============================================================================a@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmeri Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.t% -------------------------------------hI "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and H weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 pO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------i   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:26:41 +0000 (   )l3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>o Subject: Re: VAX on Intel?J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10006191725280.28416-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  % On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, Bill Todd wrote:t  L > (why anyone would expect its acceptance to *increase* as that market movesA > toward standardization around Linux and Monterey is a mystery).y  @ Do you realize that you just said "...standardization around ...
 Monterey?"   What market are you from? :)   Regards,   Chriss  O =============================================================================== @ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmer? Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.a% -------------------------------------iI "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes andLH weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 sO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:34:20 -0600 1 From: Glen Martin <GLENMARK@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>r Subject: Re: VAX on Intel?4 Message-ID: <394E134C.3EB39B33@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu>   Christopher Smith wrote: > ) > On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, Keith Brown wrote:u   > iMac VMS, anyone?e > D > Not so crazy as it may sound... the endianness of a powerpc cpu isH > switchable, and it's a 64-bit platform, so it wouldn't be such a largeG > step back as a port to IA32 would be.  It would also allow you closereD > control over the hardware, since apple is very specific with their
 > systems.  F The G3's used in the iMac are 32-bit processors. 64-bit PPC chips haveD existed for quite a while (starting with the 620 used in high-end NTG servers from Groupe-Bull), but these are used only in high-end servers.'F Apple has yet to release systems based upon 64-bit PPC chips. I've notE yet seen any info on whether or not the upcoming G4e will be a 64-bitoE processor. This seems likely, as the G4 was originally slated to be ar2 64-bit processor, but that goal was pushed back...   Glen   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:53:02 +0000 (   )h3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  Subject: Re: VAX on Intel?J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10006191752190.28416-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  % On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Bill Todd wrote:w  K > As I've said before, your personal enthusiasm is really no substitute foroJ > convincing evidence of several hundred thousand (as an absolute minimum)I > other similarly-motivated VMS enthusiasts who just can't justify a DS10rI > purchase but would jump at the chance to buy a less-expensive VMS on IAtN > hardware.  Come back when you've gathered such evidence, or expect Compaq to& > continue to ignore your suggestions.  G Personally, I'd rather a less expensive VMS on a less expensive DS10 ;)t   Regards,   Chrisi  O ===============================================================================/@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmere Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.h% -------------------------------------rI "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes andiH weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949  O -------------------------------------------------------------------------------1   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:04:17 GMT 0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com>) Subject: VMS Evangelism:  Modest ProposalX& Message-ID: <FwEsHM.Hqv@world.std.com>  F Ya know, those of us who support OpenVMS would probably get further byL purchasing one (or maybe ten) shares of CPQ stock than by ranting on Usenet.L As a stockholder, you are entitled to attend annual meetings and such. These- make great venues for getting yourself heard.n  K What's more, the Q might place more weight on a letter or suggestion from awH stockholder than a letter from a non-stockholder (who's to know that you only have 10 shares?).   cheers,n   terry sw; Who used to have 9 shares, but now has a hell of a lot mored   ------------------------------  / Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:48:57 +0200 (MET DST)a& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>1 Subject: What's happeb with the OpenVMS Webpages?n/ Message-ID: <200006190654.IAA16235@fom.fgan.de>-   Hello-  K at this morning I did try to go to the OpenVMS Webpage. I am not able to dot? so. Is OpenVMS dead (Webpage)? Does anybody know what's happen?uH I tried both links: www.openvms.compaq.com and www.openvms.digital.com .   TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:27:08 +0200o> From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>5 Subject: Re: What's happeb with the OpenVMS Webpages?.2 Message-ID: <8ikldc$60l$1@s2.feed.news.oleane.net>   Works fine for me ...    Jean-Franois Marchalu X9000 - LYON (FR)n    3 "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in messager) news:200006190654.IAA16235@fom.fgan.de...n > Hello  >sJ > at this morning I did try to go to the OpenVMS Webpage. I am not able to doA > so. Is OpenVMS dead (Webpage)? Does anybody know what's happen? J > I tried both links: www.openvms.compaq.com and www.openvms.digital.com . >d  > TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert >  >f   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:11:26 GMTm* From: Roger Tucker <roger.tucker@wcom.com>D Subject: Re: Which cpu does Sun server use: I386, Mip, Ppc or Alpha?( Message-ID: <394E0032.1AE9CC1A@wcom.com>  5 A slide show from DECUS containing OpenVMS changes toe! support Wildfire can be found at:I  & http://eisner.decus.org/encompass/lugs  @ The last half of the slides talk about changes in VMS to support= NUMA with the concept of Resource Affinity Domains and tryingo/ to get memory access to be local when possible.o   --     Roger Tucker - MCIWorldCom   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:26:34 -0400EG From: "Swaffield, Harold [CRK:1342:EXCH]" <hswaffie@americasm01.nt.com>C% Subject: Re: WTD: VAX parts in OTTAWA 2 Message-ID: <394E1F89.F4AE980B@americasm01.nt.com>   Mike,-  F Call DecisionOne, located in Kanata, Ontario, ask for Bill Russell,  - 271-2200  
 Good luck.   Swaff -)   Mike Kenzie wrote:  < > I'm looking for a BCC08 cable to connect a serial terminal > OR5 > a vr290 display and a BC18Z-10 cable to connect it.o >1@ > Also interested in SCSI adapter and Ethernet for VAXstation II > @ > I've checked with Computer recyclres and they didn't have any.. > I contacted Compac and they haven't replied. >tE > Does anyone have any OLD VAXen siting in storage they want removed?    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.341 ************************:+sA5IqTlNipE@eisner.decus.org...gL > In article <8ihee1$70i$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes:  > J > > See above:  while DEC may have been mislead about the outcome, I don't thinkiF > > there's any doubt that it was pushing hard for OSI and against IP, rather% > > than just  regard.  But we'll just have M > to wait for them to improve, since they're what the world wants, unless VMSrH > can present a similarly-acceptable facade while retaining its internal > superiority. >  > - bill   > But we'll just havecM > to wait for them to improve, since they're what the world wants, unless VMSpH > can present a similarly-acceptable facade while retaining its internal > superiority.  = I been waiting 10 years. How much longer do you think it will  be? :) -- m Keith Browna kbrown