1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 26 Jun 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 354       Contents:P Re: (REPOSTED ) How to install SRM console from alpha firmware version    4.45 oJ (REPOSTED ) How to install SRM console from alpha firmware version 4.45 onN Re: (REPOSTED ) How to install SRM console from alpha firmware version 4.45 on Re: 500au wont boot  Re: 500au wont boot  Re: 500au wont boot  Re: 500au wont boot  Re: 500au wont boot   Re: Charon-VAX Hobbyist Question# Re: college experience with OpenVMS # Re: college experience with OpenVMS # Re: college experience with OpenVMS # Re: college experience with OpenVMS # Re: college experience with OpenVMS & Re: Compaq paying for software ports ?& Re: Compaq paying for software ports ?& Re: Compaq paying for software ports ? DECwindows boot problem  Re: FW: Fun VMS Facts?9 Make up to an extra $1,000 or more a week from your home! $ Re: Mitnick (was Re: Fun VMS Facts?)$ Re: Mitnick (was Re: Fun VMS Facts?)2 Re: My experience with Charon-VAX Hobbyist Edition2 Re: My experience with Charon-VAX Hobbyist Edition2 Re: My experience with Charon-VAX Hobbyist Edition2 Re: My experience with Charon-VAX Hobbyist Edition2 Re: My experience with Charon-VAX Hobbyist Edition2 Re: My experience with Charon-VAX Hobbyist Edition2 Re: My experience with Charon-VAX Hobbyist Edition2 Re: My experience with Charon-VAX Hobbyist Edition2 Re: My experience with Charon-VAX Hobbyist Edition7 Re: Northern Light vs. Google (and the winner is . . .) & once again: serial terminal as console* Re: once again: serial terminal as console. Re: OpenVMS clusters vs other systems clusters% OpenVMS UCX/FTP and Internet Explorer 4 Re: Pricing of hardware/software for hobbist/student0 Pricing of hardware/software for hobbist/student. Re: Removing/Stripping RFC headers from emails' Re:Searching for  " in files using dcl. ! Re: set display to PC over modem?  strange problems in SYSBOOT  Re: strange problems in SYSBOOT  Re: strange problems in SYSBOOT  Re: strange problems in SYSBOOT  Re: strange problems in SYSBOOT  Re: strange problems in SYSBOOT  Re: strange problems in SYSBOOT ( RE: Unix to OpenVMS portability concerns Re: VAX on Intel?  Re: VAX on Intel?  Re: VAX on Intel?  Re: VAX on Intel?  Re: VAX on Intel?  Re: VAX on Intel?  RE: VEST / DECmigrate ; RE: Which cpu does Sun server use: I386, Mip, Ppc or Alpha? / WTB: VAX 11 Pascal manual & VMS Commands manual   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:00:46 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> Y Subject: Re: (REPOSTED ) How to install SRM console from alpha firmware version    4.45 o - Message-ID: <3956D56E.EE18BB01@earthlink.net>    Gigglegs wrote:  > M > ALpha station 200 4/233 system.  I tried putting in the hobbyist cd rom and L > tried installing new firmware on my system.  It doesn't recognize the fileM > system.  I am new to this and I don't know what to do...any ideas?  My main P > goal is to actually install open vms to my machine ( which is running winnt4.03 > right now).  Please any help will be appreciated.  > L > PS: When i posted this question last time  , I got an answer from a compaqQ > senior person.  Compaq senior person directed me to the firmware release notes.  > M > I tried updating the flash ROM from the Windows NT Arc Firmware . ( i guess P > since i am an experienced .. things didnt work out as they should.....)  i ranJ > the firmware update utility , i power cycled sytem but didnt get the SRMQ > console prompt, instead i got eb.ea.e9.e8.e7.e6.....    then showed some memory Q > dump , it power cycled Itself again ( doesnt help me much to understand !! ) .I P > also do want to tell that i bought this system used . I dont know what kind of > system it has.* > (alpha pc164 .alpha pcs 164sx etc ...  ) > O >   I AM CLULESS. IS THERE ANY GOOD MANUAL THAT WILL HELP   SOME ONE LIKE ME TO P > INSTALL (OPEN VMS ON THIS MACHINE OR  GET TO SRM CONSOLE) .   ANY STEP BY STEP: > DETAILED HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE  G Well, what they don't tell you ('cuz maybe they don't know, or know but F don't remember) is that the new firmware requires a minimum of 32MB ofC RAM. When you trap those messages on a serial console, you see some ) message about failure to allocate memory.   H Had the same problem on a AS200 4/233 withonly 16MB RAM. Added 16 MB RAM (total 32MB) and voila!    Try it, if you can.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems " http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:+ http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Jun 2000 03:06:58 GMT! From: gigglegs@aol.com (Gigglegs) S Subject: (REPOSTED ) How to install SRM console from alpha firmware version 4.45 on : Message-ID: <20000625230658.16399.00002189@ng-ft1.aol.com>  K ALpha station 200 4/233 system.  I tried putting in the hobbyist cd rom and J tried installing new firmware on my system.  It doesn't recognize the fileK system.  I am new to this and I don't know what to do...any ideas?  My main N goal is to actually install open vms to my machine ( which is running winnt4.03 right now).  Please any help will be appreciated.       J PS: When i posted this question last time  , I got an answer from a compaqO senior person.  Compaq senior person directed me to the firmware release notes.   K I tried updating the flash ROM from the Windows NT Arc Firmware . ( i guess N since i am an experienced .. things didnt work out as they should.....)  i ranH the firmware update utility , i power cycled sytem but didnt get the SRMO console prompt, instead i got eb.ea.e9.e8.e7.e6.....    then showed some memory O dump , it power cycled Itself again ( doesnt help me much to understand !! ) .I N also do want to tell that i bought this system used . I dont know what kind of system it has.( (alpha pc164 .alpha pcs 164sx etc ...  )  M   I AM CLULESS. IS THERE ANY GOOD MANUAL THAT WILL HELP   SOME ONE LIKE ME TO N INSTALL (OPEN VMS ON THIS MACHINE OR  GET TO SRM CONSOLE) .   ANY STEP BY STEP8 DETAILED HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE  	 O.CELIKER    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 04:31:01 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>W Subject: Re: (REPOSTED ) How to install SRM console from alpha firmware version 4.45 on ' Message-ID: <Fwqv7p.790@spcuna.spc.edu>   # Gigglegs <gigglegs@aol.com> writes: J > the firmware update utility , i power cycled sytem but didnt get the SRMQ > console prompt, instead i got eb.ea.e9.e8.e7.e6.....    then showed some memory  > dump  K   Others have reported that this happens when there's insufficent memory in L the box. I'm not sure what exactly constitutes "sufficient memory", but 32MB; should be Ok. You need that much or more to run VMS anyway.   - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com 5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:57:11 GMT , From: "mrsignor" <mrsignor@bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: 500au wont boot6 Message-ID: <Hmu55.1027$VN3.47769@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net>   thanks,    i tried   : set boot_osflags 0,1010C .. as well as boot -flags 0,30000  0 after system reports "jumping to bootstrap code"  ; all goes quiet ... i see activity with the CD-ROM for about 3 3-4 minutes ... but NO debug messages are displayed   H i tried attaching a printer in case it wanted to log anything there - it didn't  L also tried booting from floppy, slightly different behaviour. system reboots and then hangs  2 ==================================================> Larry D Bohan, Jr <LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com> wrote in message, news:nzhWOWJUfeLgd5o6ZeOUYqpdsk6=@4ax.com.... > On Sun, 25 Jun 2000 13:18:40 GMT, "mrsignor"$ > <mrsignor@bellatlantic.net> wrote: > 9 > >    During the boot process, from CD, the machine says ( > >    blah, blah, is a valid boot block > >    reading 1082 blocks > >    bootstrap code read in 5 > >    base=if000, image_start = 0, image_bytes=87400 
 > >    ...  > >    jumping to bootstrap code > > 4 > >    and we never return, and nothing else happens > 5 > Try enabling both sets of user/debug boot messages; / > and see if you get anything more interesting,  >  > L http://www.openvms.digital.com:8000/72final/6522/6522pro_012.html#index_x_34 9  >  > ie,  >  > >>> boot -flags 0,30000  > $ >  Hexadecimal Value System Response > * >       1     Allows a conversational boot5 >              (system displays the SYSBOOT> prompt). . >       2     Maps XDELTA to a running system.H >       4     Stops the boot procedure at the initial system breakpoint. > . >       8     Performs a diagnostic bootstrap.C >      10    Stops the boot procedure at the bootstrap breakpoints. 9 >      20    Omits header from secondary bootstrap image. B >      80    Prompts for the name of the secondary bootstrap file.< >     100   Halts the system before the secondary bootstrap.8 >    2000  Marks corrected read data error pages as bad.5 > * 10000 Displays extensive, detailed debug messages ' >              during the boot process. 9 > * 20000 Displays selected user-oriented messages during ! >               the boot process.  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:11:02 GMT , From: "mrsignor" <mrsignor@bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: 500au wont boot6 Message-ID: <Wrv55.1097$VN3.50410@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net>  ( Show version reports V7.0-10 MAR 18 1999 OpenVMS PAL is V1.20-40                 UNIX is V1.22-17   J > IF it is a early model 500au, and IF it has an IDE CD-Rom, than you haveB > to install a SCSI CD-Rom drive because the IDE controller is not > supported in VMSA It is NOT just VMS i can not load, trying to boot-up the firmware 8 CD fails too, as does booting the firmware from a floppy  - ============================================= K Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:39567B42.AA4C03F9@home.nl...  >  >  > mrsignor wrote:  > >  > > Hi,  > > L > >     I have recently acquired a 500au, which refuses to boot. Obviously i > > could be5 > >     doing something DUMB ... but i dont think so.  > > : > >     During the boot process, from CD, the machine says > > ) > >     blah, blah, is a valid boot block  > >     reading 1082 blocks  > >     bootstrap code read in6 > >     base=if000, image_start = 0, image_bytes=87400	 > >     " 	 > >     " 	 > >     " ! > >     jumping to bootstrap code  > > 5 > >     and we never return, and nothing else happens  > > G > >     This happens when i use a VMS 7.2-1 or 7.1 CD, or a firmware CD  > ) > What is the present firmware revision ?  > J > IF it is a early model 500au, and IF it has an IDE CD-Rom, than you haveB > to install a SCSI CD-Rom drive because the IDE controller is not > supported in VMS >  >  > > , > >    any thoughts, other than it's broken. > > G > >    BTW, what was the original warranty on these machines, 1,2, or 3  years  > . > 6 months or 1 year, but certainly no longer. >  >  > >  > > TIA    ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jun 2000 20:47:58 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)  Subject: Re: 500au wont boot0 Message-ID: <8j5r5u$d6c$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  d In article <QEn55.927$aA3.32525@typhoon1.ba-dsg.net>, "mrsignor" <mrsignor@bellatlantic.net> writes:I >    I have recently acquired a 500au, which refuses to boot. Obviously i 	 >could be 2 >    doing something DUMB ... but i dont think so. > 7 >    During the boot process, from CD, the machine says  > & >    blah, blah, is a valid boot block >    reading 1082 blocks >    bootstrap code read in 3 >    base=if000, image_start = 0, image_bytes=87400  >    " >    " >    " >    jumping to bootstrap code >  > 2 >    and we never return, and nothing else happens > D >    This happens when i use a VMS 7.2-1 or 7.1 CD, or a firmware CD > ) >   any thoughts, other than it's broken.    Try the latest firmware.  J >   BTW, what was the original warranty on these machines, 1,2, or 3 years  J Here in Germany it was three years, one year service at your place and the% remaining two years bring-in service.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +------------ http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/english/menue.html -----------+   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jun 2000 20:36:45 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.383428.killspam.00bd (Wayne Sewell)  Subject: Re: 500au wont boot. Message-ID: <WBZmAl$Qqpfv@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  d In article <QEn55.927$aA3.32525@typhoon1.ba-dsg.net>, "mrsignor" <mrsignor@bellatlantic.net> writes:  J >     I have recently acquired a 500au, which refuses to boot. Obviously i
 > could be3 >     doing something DUMB ... but i dont think so.  > 8 >     During the boot process, from CD, the machine says > ' >     blah, blah, is a valid boot block  >     reading 1082 blocks  >     bootstrap code read in4 >     base=if000, image_start = 0, image_bytes=87400 >     "  >     "  >     "  >     jumping to bootstrap code  >  > 3 >     and we never return, and nothing else happens  > E >     This happens when i use a VMS 7.2-1 or 7.1 CD, or a firmware CD  > * >    any thoughts, other than it's broken. > K >    BTW, what was the original warranty on these machines, 1,2, or 3 years   D It may be that the additional stuff is there, you just can't see it.  G What console are you using, graphics or serial?  Do you have a terminal L connected to the serial port, or do you have a graphics monitor and keyboardO directly connected to the cpu?  Make sure you do a "set console serial" or "set 7 console graphics" according to whichever you are using.   K Unfortunately, I have found that some srm consoles want to use the graphics N screen even after you have told them to use the serial console.  In this case,5 you have no choice but to connect a graphics monitor.     K I have seen the behavior above when using a serial terminal on one of these N graphics-fixated consoles.  The system appears to be hung, yet it is operatingL normally and all the messages have actually gone to the nonexistent graphicsP monitor.  If the machine is in a network, try doing a set host or telnet to it. ( I think you will find that it responds.    --  O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== O Otter, on dining with Bluto:"It's perfectly safe if you keep your arms and legs  			away from his mouth."   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 02:18:38 GMT , From: "mrsignor" <mrsignor@bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: 500au wont boot6 Message-ID: <24z55.1818$aA3.59183@typhoon1.ba-dsg.net>   Wayne,     Thanks, you're a hero.  %     You learn something new everyday.   9     Now, if you would just update that book of yours ....   - ============================================= H Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.xxx.383428.killspam.00bd> wrote in message( news:WBZmAl$Qqpfv@tachxxsoftxxconsult...B > In article <QEn55.927$aA3.32525@typhoon1.ba-dsg.net>, "mrsignor"# <mrsignor@bellatlantic.net> writes:  > L > >     I have recently acquired a 500au, which refuses to boot. Obviously i > > could be5 > >     doing something DUMB ... but i dont think so.  > > : > >     During the boot process, from CD, the machine says > > ) > >     blah, blah, is a valid boot block  > >     reading 1082 blocks  > >     bootstrap code read in6 > >     base=if000, image_start = 0, image_bytes=87400	 > >     " 	 > >     " 	 > >     " ! > >     jumping to bootstrap code  >  >5 > >     and we never return, and nothing else happens  > > G > >     This happens when i use a VMS 7.2-1 or 7.1 CD, or a firmware CD  > > , > >    any thoughts, other than it's broken. > >uG > >    BTW, what was the original warranty on these machines, 1,2, or 3l yearsm >eF > It may be that the additional stuff is there, you just can't see it. >aI > What console are you using, graphics or serial?  Do you have a terminaliE > connected to the serial port, or do you have a graphics monitor and  keyboardL > directly connected to the cpu?  Make sure you do a "set console serial" or "set9 > console graphics" according to whichever you are using.n >wD > Unfortunately, I have found that some srm consoles want to use the graphicsJ > screen even after you have told them to use the serial console.  In this case,s7 > you have no choice but to connect a graphics monitor.y >  > G > I have seen the behavior above when using a serial terminal on one ofu these F > graphics-fixated consoles.  The system appears to be hung, yet it is	 operating E > normally and all the messages have actually gone to the nonexistent  graphicsJ > monitor.  If the machine is in a network, try doing a set host or telnet to it.) > I think you will find that it responds.c >i > -- >-L ============================================================================ ===p: > Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738 wayne@tachysoft.xxxi: > http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.htmlH > change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot :-)G >lL ============================================================================ ===nL > Otter, on dining with Bluto:"It's perfectly safe if you keep your arms and legs > away from his mouth."p   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:11:23 GMTh- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)i) Subject: Re: Charon-VAX Hobbyist Questiona+ Message-ID: <3956660c.4583660@news.wku.edu>i  / On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:00:36 GMT, Timothy StarkO# <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org> wrote:   2 >Zane H. Healy <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote:N >> I see that a Hobbyist version of the Charon-VAX emulator is now available. J >> Unfortunatly it will most likely be at least a few days before I'll be L >> able to find time to download it and try it out.  With that in mind I wasO >> hoping someone could answer one question for me.  Does it support Ethernet?  N >> If not how on earth am I supposed to get data back and forth between one of >> my real VMS systems?- >-A >No, it does not support Ethernet.  It is strictly closed system.e >u? You can do it the way I'm doing it.  It's not as nice as having." Ethernet capability, but it works.  @ The VMS container files used by Charon-VAX are the same type of D container files used by VDDRIVER or the LD virtual disk driver (see B the OpenVMS freeware CD or ftp.wku.edu).  To move files in and outE of the Charon-VAX environment, I simply created a VDDRIVER container  D file called TRANSFER.DSK, copied the desired files to it, then FTPedF the container file to my laptop, and loaded Charon-VAX with one of theD MSCP drives specifying TRANSFER.DSK.  Voila.  A method, albeit a bitB cumbersome, for getting your own files into and out of Charon-VAX.   Hunter --------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/o< goathunter@goatley.com        http://www.goatley.com/hunter/   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jun 2000 19:20:32 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog), Subject: Re: college experience with OpenVMS, Message-ID: <8j5m20$qep@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  ` In article <3G6bV0r9ycdM@malvm2.mala.bc.ca>, nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) writes:J >   Of the 15 colleges in British Columbia that used to run VMS ( for bothC >instruction and administration ) none are using it for instruction G >anymore and only about 5 have any VMS presence in their admin systems.sE >Of those 5 I think we're the only one that isn't trying to scrap VMSHF >as quickly as possible (I'd give the rest 1 or at most 2 years before/ >VMS is gone completely from their operations )H  G Right  And this is one reason that whatever the "new" academic program lI should be rolled out ASAP.  With fanfare, for a change.  It's going to be J much easier to grow back from even a tiny toehold than it will be to breakJ in to a site wholly cleansed of OpenVMS.  Especially if the people who didH the cleansing are still there, since they are likely to harboring bitterG memories of being forced into the transition by Digital's (and possibly.F even Compaq's) policies. And even if the cleansers have moved on, it'sE going to be a very tough sell to a group of people who only know Sun,t Linux, and Windows.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu0? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech O   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 16:56:43 -0400s, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>, Subject: Re: college experience with OpenVMS> Message-ID: <hshubs-C16EE6.16564325062000@news.mindspring.com>  = In article <39560C43.52D7C8D9@trailing-edge.com>, Tim Shoppa I! <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote:a  F >I recently interviewed for a Software Engineer position for a *large*? >(facility covers over a hundred miles) shop.  The ad indicatedpC >they were looking for "Unix, WNT and possibly VMS" experience.  InmE >real life, they are utterly dependent on VMS.  During the interview,nF >I found out that they were scared to ask for "VMS Software Engineers"3 >because they thought nobody would reply to the ad.   F There's a certain amount of truth to that.  I, as a way to advance my G career, was trying to avoid VMS-specific jobs in my recently-ended job eF search.  VMS isn't out there nearly as much as it used to be.  For my G purposes, without much diversity in my work experience, I HAD to get a  * job where VMS was on its way out, at best.  5 My resume basically declares me as a VMS person ONLY fG (http://hshubs.home.mindspring.com/resume.pdf), no matter how I try to EH de-emphisize that experience while expanding on my UNIX experience.  So I I had to avoid VMS.  If I thought VMS would make a good future, I'd have EH stuck with it, but finding a job with VMS these days is very tough.  It F means continuing to branch away from the industry, which implies that H later, when VMS jobs are completely gone, and you're even older, you'll C have no experience in anything of use and it'll be harder to learn.F  C I've seen a guy who did that.  He was waitering at a Ponderosa for hI $10K/year after doing large IBM iron for 20 years.  When they got rid of oE the IBM iron, he had no experience in anything they needed, and they mI dumped him instead of retraining.  I consider that horrible, but I can't uG expect a company to do what I haven't plotted for myself.  As a result cC I'm vectoring toward UNIX, even though I find UNIX to be seriously u deficient compared to VMS.  G It's a Beta vs VHS issue.  Beta was better, and is still being used by sE professionals, but if you want to make money selling cheap VCRs, you  / work in the VHS world, even if you know better.l  D And I don't want to end up on the street.  If the choice is UNIX or < Microsoft or a change of industries, I'll take UNIX, thanks.   -- a Howard S Shubs, the Denim Adepta   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:26:38 -0500q7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>i, Subject: Re: college experience with OpenVMS- Message-ID: <3956952E.A94BC0A3@earthlink.net>e   Bill Todd wrote: > B > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message) > news:39555E89.8D94E668@earthlink.net...  [snip]H > > Blast! There's that damned affordable thing again! Bloody ubiquitous > > isn't it?! > N > Not really:  the parenthetical phrase that follows it says it all - *if* VMSH > becomes a generally useful platform in the eyes of the general market,, > *then* affordability will start to matter.  C ...and until it's affordable, just how is that going to come about?   G Darned ol' horse just INSISTS on having that cart BEHIND him instead of  in front of him!   --   David J. Dachterag dba DJE Systemse" http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:+ http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:32:27 -0500i7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> , Subject: Re: college experience with OpenVMS- Message-ID: <3956968B.B913DECD@earthlink.net>s   Tim Shoppa wrote:t >  > Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > >h, > > In article <8j474k$dkf$1@pyrite.mv.net>,0 > >    "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes: > >oK > > >> Blast! There's that damned affordable thing again! Bloody ubiquitouss > > >> isn't it?!  > > > R > > > Not really:  the parenthetical phrase that follows it says it all - *if* VMSL > > > becomes a generally useful platform in the eyes of the general market,0 > > > *then* affordability will start to matter. > > >r > > J > >     But one of the oft quoted reasons VMS isn't seen as of interest toQ > > the general market is that "we can't find staff that know anything about it".h > G > I recently interviewed for a Software Engineer position for a *large* @ > (facility covers over a hundred miles) shop.  The ad indicatedD > they were looking for "Unix, WNT and possibly VMS" experience.  InF > real life, they are utterly dependent on VMS.  During the interview,G > I found out that they were scared to ask for "VMS Software Engineers"14 > because they thought nobody would reply to the ad.   Thanx for the tip!   -- e David J. Dachteran dba DJE SystemsE" http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:+ http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/vms/soho/a   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:31:43 -0500a7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>=, Subject: Re: college experience with OpenVMS- Message-ID: <3956965F.AEE1645D@earthlink.net>    Bill Todd wrote: [snip]J > One *first* makes VMS a platform that's attractive to the people who are > price-sensitive.    By Jove!! I think he's got it!!!  ; >  It only makes sense to start optimizing pricing for thisrK > low-end market *after* there's some reason to believe that the demand forlF > VMS in that segment will be significant (which was the gist of David5 > Mathog's parenthetical comment that I referred to).      ...and then again, ...  @ Until it's affordable, just how are we going to accomplish that?@ (Generate a "significant" market for OpenVMS among the "Fortune"	 100,000.)   7 Some *POSITIVE* suggestions would be most welcome here.n  i -- e David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsm" http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:+ http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:40:31 -0500W7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>o/ Subject: Re: Compaq paying for software ports ?i- Message-ID: <3956986F.907B4157@earthlink.net>-   Bill Todd wrote: [snip]> > No, someone apparently less incompetent than you seem to be. [snip]  @ Geez, Bill! I didn't realize there was a nomination open for the< successor to Carl Lydick! You've got a REAL good shot at it!  > When my wife gets like that, I *ASK* her to take a (PMS) pill.   -- I David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systemsh" http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:+ http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/vms/soho/m   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:28:45 -0400 ) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.netb/ Subject: Re: Compaq paying for software ports ? 9 Message-ID: <3956a475$1$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>   - In <8j5csp$p44$1@pyrite.mv.net>, on 06/25/00 e7    at 08:28 PM, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> said:D      7 ><yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net> wrote in messagen4 >news:39562277$3$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com...= >> In <8iqnbu$1tn$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, on 06/25/00iE >>    at 11:16 AM, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) said:e >>L >> >  There is quite a bit of information available on the work to speed theK >> >  availability of the ports of new Oracle releases and tools to OpenVMSnL >> >  and to increase the suite of available Oracle tools, though apparently >> > >>K >> Given that Oracle is an unreliable puddle of feces does anyone care what  >> platform it gets ported to?  G >At a guess, the people who actually make system purchasing decisions -  >does that include you?    >- billi  A At a guess...yes.  I also get Oracle tossed out of sites with its-G wonderfull clusterwide rollback outages.  Of course there are those who8I will buy snow...both the marketing kind and the spoon kind...usually usedD by the marketing kind.   Roland     -- a; -----------------------------------------------------------<D yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.528                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:36:51 -0400 ) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.netm/ Subject: Re: Compaq paying for software ports ? 9 Message-ID: <3956a899$2$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>   - In <8j5d0t$pep$1@pyrite.mv.net>, on 06/25/00  7    at 08:36 PM, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> said:o    7 ><yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net> wrote in messagee4 >news:3956237a$4$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com...3 >> In <3951775D.E8BDE9E8@videotron.ca>, on 06/25/00a@ >>    at 11:20 AM, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> said: >>K >> >To be the devil's advocate, what if the VMS engineers were busy workingaI >> >on full unix compliance of VMS which would make all ports much easiert >> >from unix source code ?a >>M >> Which would make VMS as febil an OS for production use as UNIX is and thusiM >> Bill Gates would finally have one and all OS's on the market would suck ashL >> bad as NT, therefore everyone could just run the sucky NT OS.  Talk aboutL >> heading in the  WRONG direction.  Let me guess, a Compaq MBA came up with. >> this idea....could it have been Palmer?????  = >No, someone apparently less incompetent than you seem to be.s  	 Nice try.y  H >A great deal of VMS's robustness compared to most Unixes comes from itsJ >implementation quality - something that supporting a Unix interface won't
 >compromise. n  I Gee, that means threads, a concept only used by wanna be OS's which never=H correctly implemented process based architecture have to be saddled ontoE an otherwise stable and robust system.  Thus shredding robustness and F security for all those applications which were correctly written using? processes, with their architecture provided security/management $ capabilities.  Score one for Eunucs.  C Gee, that means we all have to implement security holes the size of:H Soldiers field, then rather than FIX them document the holes for about aF decade so another worm can be unleashed, in a matter of hours bringing? down the global computer infrastructure.  Score one for Eunucs.:  C >In other words, giving people what they seem to want - on a system>I >considerably superior in many ways to what they may be used to - makes ad >fair amount of sense.  D In other words spend a lot of money snowing the public with outrightI marketing fraud and if it is repeated enough they will believe it is whatd
 they want.  B Eunucs backers have a significant reality problem when it comes toF robustness, reliability, and the actual size of their markets.  EunucsJ backers sound like historians talking about the "vast population" of SouthI African tribesmen.  They just keep glossing over the fact it is hundreds,nA if not thousands, of TRIBES containing people.  All of which haveaA different dialects, so different that no two of the languages are I sufficiently similar.  Yes, this is definitely an avenue worth pursuing.  ! Bill Gates will have finally won.    Roland       --  ; ----------------------------------------------------------- D yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.528                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------n   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:51:37 GMTe From: msi_bruce@earthlink.net   Subject: DECwindows boot problem) Message-ID: <8j62dk$6vn$1@nnrp1.deja.com>o   Hi,   E I've been working on a mixed cluster consisting of a VAX 6410 and andiH Alpha 2100 running OpenVMS 7.1.  Last week we pulled the VAX node out ofG the cluster and reconfigured it as a standalone node.  We then restorednG an image backup on the VAX system made prior to the reconfiguration andsD restored it as a cluster member.  The VAX system boots back into theH cluster just fine.  However, when we reboot the Alpha system, DECwindowsE no longer appears to be loading correctly.  As the Alpha boot processn/ completes, we see the following error messages:h  : %INSTALL-I-FAIL, failed to create shared linkage entry for6 DISK$AXPVMSSYS:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB>DECW$XLIBSHR.EXEG -INSTALL-E-NOTSHRADR, CDE$UNIX_ROUTINES is not installed with shareablee address data: %INSTALL-I-FAIL, failed to create shared linkage entry for9 DISK$AXPVMSSYS:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB>DECW$XTLIBSHRR5.EXE=3 -SYSTEM-F-VA_IN_USE, virtual address already in useh  : %INSTALL-I-FAIL, failed to create shared linkage entry for9 DISK$AXPVMSSYS:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB>DECW$XMLIBSHR15.EXE 3 -SYSTEM-F-VA_IN_USE, virtual address already in useu  : %INSTALL-I-FAIL, failed to create shared linkage entry for: DISK$AXPVMSSYS:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB>DECW$MRMLIBSHR12.EXE3 -SYSTEM-F-VA_IN_USE, virtual address already in usep  : %INSTALL-I-FAIL, failed to create shared linkage entry for: DISK$AXPVMSSYS:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB>DECW$DXMLIBSHR12.EXE3 -SYSTEM-F-VA_IN_USE, virtual address already in usec  G The Alpha console then displays the DECwindows background, but does notuF display a boot prompt.  Killing the DECW$SERVER0 process and rerunning. DECW$STARTUP.COM does not correct the problem.  H The Alpha was not modified and was not rebooted while we had the VAX outH of the cluster.  We have also reinstalled DECwindows on the Alpha, whichE had no impact on the problem.  Any suggestions as to what the problemi is?    Thanks,    Bruce C.      & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:34:32 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: FW: Fun VMS Facts?p7 Message-ID: <200006252334_MC2-AA10-1D7A@compuserve.com>a  H         My recollection is that VMS V3.7 was the first version of VMS toJ have any sort of cluster support and 4.0 the first to support clusters as=  J we know them today.  I joined the VMS world in 1984 when 3.7 was current.=        Message text written by JF Mezei >Dan Allen wrote:  > =d  @ >   VMS clusters came into existence somewhere around 1981-82. =    J I beleive that the original poster, when alluding to 13 year existance of=  H clusters, perhaps was referring to NI (ethernet) clusters ? Didn't these come in at about 1987 ? <S   ------------------------------  / Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 23:10:14 +0109 (Eastern)u From: ppl4lmgfh@wmin.ac.ukB Subject: Make up to an extra $1,000 or more a week from your home!1 Message-ID: <200006260217.EAA12099@brno.proca.cz>c  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_018C_01BD9940.715D52A0q Content-Type: text/html;   <HTML> <BODY>   <FONT face="MS Sans Serif">e <FONT size=2> <html><BR>
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 other things.    -- : Ed Wilts Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts@mediaone.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:14:17 +01009$ From: Andy Burns <andy@burns.uk.net>; Subject: Re: My experience with Charon-VAX Hobbyist Editionc8 Message-ID: <uniclsso61fgvcb4bvoi7ium5scmjvttvd@4ax.com>   Andy Burns wrote:e  H >another possibility is using WRF Reflection which has it's own in built!                                 ^ '                        sorry Mr Quinn !p   -- h
 Andy Burns   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:21:39 GMTe0 From: Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org>; Subject: Re: My experience with Charon-VAX Hobbyist Editionf9 Message-ID: <7Zs55.215166$701.2848627@news4.giganews.com>   1 Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:tI > How are you trying to do it now?  From what kind of computer and OS areiI > you transmitting them, using what software, on what kind of connection?.  J I am using C-Kermit 7.0-197 on RedHat Linux 6.1 on Intel-based PC.  Yes, IE tried to transmit it from my shell account into my VAX system via DSL C line.  Also, I used telnet command on C-Kermit to connect to my VAXa2 system (Charon-VAX) through Windows 98SE's TCP/IP.   -- Tim Stark   -- nC Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.org, sword7@firesword7.nethJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:15:49 GMT4- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) ; Subject: Re: My experience with Charon-VAX Hobbyist Editione+ Message-ID: <395667e3.5054628@news.wku.edu>   7 On Sun, 25 Jun 2000 10:09:00 -0700, "Larry D Bohan, Jr"p" <LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com> wrote:= >when needing a 'ascii' upload of this sort, (but not Charon) 3 >I had better luck uploading to a TPU session, and h5 >possibly with the typeahead SYSGEN params bumped up.t >ie, > TTY_TYPAHDSZ             t > TTY_ALTYPAHD     i >t/ >but since you're probably upload to a console h; >device (OPA0:) maybe also try setting the baud-rate lower,e
 >if possible.,  F I didn't have much luck with C-Kermit running over the "telnet" serial? lines in Charon-VAX, but I suspect that has more to do with thee@ implementation of the serial lines and a C-Kermit problem.  OnceB I figured out my "FTP the container file back and forth" solution,C I stopped trying to get upload utilities to work.  (See my reply toD2 one of Stark's other threads for details on that.)   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:17:08 GMTB- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)]; Subject: Re: My experience with Charon-VAX Hobbyist Editionb+ Message-ID: <395668a7.5249708@news.wku.edu>e  @ On Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:15:49 GMT, goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) wrote:o  G >I didn't have much luck with C-Kermit running over the "telnet" serial @ >lines in Charon-VAX, but I suspect that has more to do with theA >implementation of the serial lines and a C-Kermit problem.  OncegC >I figured out my "FTP the container file back and forth" solution,-D >I stopped trying to get upload utilities to work.  (See my reply to3 >one of Stark's other threads for details on that.)a >aE My news reader didn't insert my sig that time....  Hopefully this one.
 will have it.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:18:37 GMTo- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)8; Subject: Re: My experience with Charon-VAX Hobbyist Edition2+ Message-ID: <39566904.5343072@news.wku.edu>I  @ On Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:17:08 GMT, goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) wrote:n  F >My news reader didn't insert my sig that time....  Hopefully this one >will have it. >v4 And since it didn't, here's a copy of that post.....  / On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 02:00:36 GMT, Timothy Starkn# <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org> wrote:   2 >Zane H. Healy <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote:N >> I see that a Hobbyist version of the Charon-VAX emulator is now available. J >> Unfortunatly it will most likely be at least a few days before I'll be L >> able to find time to download it and try it out.  With that in mind I wasO >> hoping someone could answer one question for me.  Does it support Ethernet? iN >> If not how on earth am I supposed to get data back and forth between one of >> my real VMS systems?o >iA >No, it does not support Ethernet.  It is strictly closed system.- >-? You can do it the way I'm doing it.  It's not as nice as havings" Ethernet capability, but it works.  @ The VMS container files used by Charon-VAX are the same type of D container files used by VDDRIVER or the LD virtual disk driver (see B the OpenVMS freeware CD or ftp.wku.edu).  To move files in and outE of the Charon-VAX environment, I simply created a VDDRIVER container mD file called TRANSFER.DSK, copied the desired files to it, then FTPedF the container file to my laptop, and loaded Charon-VAX with one of theD MSCP drives specifying TRANSFER.DSK.  Voila.  A method, albeit a bitB cumbersome, for getting your own files into and out of Charon-VAX.   Hunter --------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/a< goathunter@goatley.com        http://www.goatley.com/hunter/   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/>9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/e   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 01:39:50 GMTo0 From: Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org>; Subject: Re: My experience with Charon-VAX Hobbyist Editions9 Message-ID: <Gvy55.215787$701.2866683@news4.giganews.com>d  . Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> wrote:B > The VMS container files used by Charon-VAX are the same type of F > container files used by VDDRIVER or the LD virtual disk driver (see D > the OpenVMS freeware CD or ftp.wku.edu).  To move files in and outG > of the Charon-VAX environment, I simply created a VDDRIVER container tF > file called TRANSFER.DSK, copied the desired files to it, then FTPedH > the container file to my laptop, and loaded Charon-VAX with one of theF > MSCP drives specifying TRANSFER.DSK.  Voila.  A method, albeit a bitD > cumbersome, for getting your own files into and out of Charon-VAX.   Hunter:d  D No good one.  VDDRIVER requires VAX access outside of my Charon-VAX.F There still is no way to transfer my files into and out of Charon-VAX.) :-(  Charon-VAX developers are so clever.e   -- Tim Stark   -- gC Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.org, sword7@firesword7.netlJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 21:43:50 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> ; Subject: Re: My experience with Charon-VAX Hobbyist Editiono- Message-ID: <3956C366.19FF5724@earthlink.net>    Timothy Stark wrote: > 0 > Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> wrote:C > > The VMS container files used by Charon-VAX are the same type of G > > container files used by VDDRIVER or the LD virtual disk driver (seeaF > > the OpenVMS freeware CD or ftp.wku.edu).  To move files in and outH > > of the Charon-VAX environment, I simply created a VDDRIVER containerH > > file called TRANSFER.DSK, copied the desired files to it, then FTPedJ > > the container file to my laptop, and loaded Charon-VAX with one of theH > > MSCP drives specifying TRANSFER.DSK.  Voila.  A method, albeit a bitF > > cumbersome, for getting your own files into and out of Charon-VAX. > 	 > Hunter:- > F > No good one.  VDDRIVER requires VAX access outside of my Charon-VAX.H > There still is no way to transfer my files into and out of Charon-VAX.+ > :-(  Charon-VAX developers are so clever.r  H Well, one item that comes to mind is the LDDRIVER/VDDRIVER capability toF mount ISO-9660 filesystems as well as ODS. MKISOFS_VMS (something of aH rarity in VAX land, but I think I have a .EXE for it somewhere) could beC used to generate a suitably exportable container. That can later bemG mounted in UN*X-land (including Linux) as a "loop" device, or burned toS' CD-R and then read under W/9x and W/NT.u  9 Just a thought, and rather a long way to get from A -> B.W   -- r David J. Dachterab dba DJE Systemss" http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:+ http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/vms/soho/,   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 02:57:50 GMTd0 From: Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org>; Subject: Re: My experience with Charon-VAX Hobbyist Edition,8 Message-ID: <OEz55.224740$MB.4090114@news6.giganews.com>  6 David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:J > Well, one item that comes to mind is the LDDRIVER/VDDRIVER capability toH > mount ISO-9660 filesystems as well as ODS. MKISOFS_VMS (something of aJ > rarity in VAX land, but I think I have a .EXE for it somewhere) could beE > used to generate a suitably exportable container. That can later beeI > mounted in UN*X-land (including Linux) as a "loop" device, or burned toE) > CD-R and then read under W/9x and W/NT.s   David:  G Oh, I see.  How do I make ODS2-based disk image file or CD under Linux?0  
 Thank you!   -- Tim Stark   -- EC Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.org, sword7@firesword7.netFJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:57:29 -0500h7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>o; Subject: Re: My experience with Charon-VAX Hobbyist Editione- Message-ID: <3956D4A9.CA9603E0@earthlink.net>o   Timothy Stark wrote: > 8 > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:L > > Well, one item that comes to mind is the LDDRIVER/VDDRIVER capability toJ > > mount ISO-9660 filesystems as well as ODS. MKISOFS_VMS (something of aL > > rarity in VAX land, but I think I have a .EXE for it somewhere) could beG > > used to generate a suitably exportable container. That can later beyK > > mounted in UN*X-land (including Linux) as a "loop" device, or burned to + > > CD-R and then read under W/9x and W/NT.r >  > David: > I > Oh, I see.  How do I make ODS2-based disk image file or CD under Linux?   E Try MKISOFS to make an ISO-9660 image that you can import. Otherwise,M4 yeah - you need another VMS system to write ODS+RMS.   --   David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systems " http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:+ http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/vms/soho/S   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 13:09:44 -0500 * From: Keith Brown <kbrown780@usfamily.net>@ Subject: Re: Northern Light vs. Google (and the winner is . . .), Message-ID: <39564AE8.99010182@usfamily.net>   > Bill Todd wrote:I > I wouldn't be in too much of a hurry, because shared-disk approaches inqK > cases like these don't offer sufficient advantage to compensate for their C > decidedly non-commodity nature.  Now, if Compaq were to develop ap( > *commodity* shared-disk file system... >   ; How inexpensive can it be to duplicate disks over thousands ! systems even at commodity prices?z   -- 7 Keith Brown  kbrown780@usfamily.net   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jun 2000 20:32:35 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)/ Subject: once again: serial terminal as consoled. Message-ID: <8j5q93$fel$1@info.service.rug.nl>  J OK, the S3 switch has to be set correctly---up for VAX and down for ALPHA E (is this always the case?) and one needs 9600, 8 bit, no parity, one rF stop bit, right?   With a VT320 and a "phone line", WHICH port on the F TERMINAL does one need?  The one with the printer or the one with the G two arrows?  If there is a similar choice on the MACHINE, again, which aG one?  Presumably if the machine only has one serial input, the DEC 423 oB plug (thus the terminal should be set to DEC423, data leads only, 0 right?) marked OPA0, then the choice is obvious.  C I have successfully used the DEC423 between a VAX and a VT320 as a aF console in the past, but I keep forgetting all the choices one has to  make.b   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 21:42:00 +0000o2 From: Alex van Denzel <bitbucket@adenzel.demon.nl>3 Subject: Re: once again: serial terminal as console 0 Message-ID: <39567CA8.3AC06434@adenzel.demon.nl>   Phillip Helbig wrote:t > K > OK, the S3 switch has to be set correctly---up for VAX and down for ALPHApF > (is this always the case?) and one needs 9600, 8 bit, no parity, oneG > stop bit, right?   With a VT320 and a "phone line", WHICH port on theR  B With "phone line" do you mean a 6-wire cable with an MMJ (modified modular jack) connector?  G > TERMINAL does one need?  The one with the printer or the one with theeH > two arrows?  If there is a similar choice on the MACHINE, again, which  G If so, you need the connector with the arrows. The printer port is usedu9 for (you'd never guess) a printer (for instance, a LA75).o  H > one?  Presumably if the machine only has one serial input, the DEC 423C > plug (thus the terminal should be set to DEC423, data leads only,   > DEC-423 indeed means the MMJ connector, RS-232 means the DB-25
 connector.  2 > right?) marked OPA0, then the choice is obvious. > D > I have successfully used the DEC423 between a VAX and a VT320 as aG > console in the past, but I keep forgetting all the choices one has to  > make.    -- Alex  % Replace bitbucket with anything else.c   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 02:50:08 GMTy$ From: Ed Wilts <ewilts@mediaone.net>7 Subject: Re: OpenVMS clusters vs other systems clustersi, Message-ID: <3956C4E1.90165D89@mediaone.net>   "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > Bill,  > G > >>> Only if you don't care about availability, since it makes rolling  > upgrades impossible. <<u > M > High availability clusters often use 2 common system disks for this purpose.I > ie. they want the capability of doing rolling system upgrades with ZERO N > application availability impact. To minimize mgmt effort, it is typical thatN > shared SYSUAF's, common queue files, application, network and system startupF > config files etc are established so that changes are only done once.  G This is in fact something I have here.  5 system disks in the cluster.  E 1 for our test Alpha, plus 1 each for all Alphas in each data center,RH and 1 each for all Vaxes in each data center.  I've rolled upgrades in. H Pathworks is a tricky one, since an install on one node does shut itselfA down across the cluster - that's an application bug as far as I'm E concerned.  We routinely bust system disk shadow sets before applyingnB patches so we can roll back quickly, and not take out the cluster.  F > This is the same principle used in multi-site, load balanced OpenVMSN > clusters ie. common system disk per site allows planned datacenter shutdownsJ > with zero application availability impact. Simply migrate new users fromN > systems in one datacenter to systems in the other datacenter. When all usersN > are migrated to the other datacenter, the system in the other datacenter canN > be shutdown. Once these systems are shutdown, the datacenter can be shutdownL > .. users do not even know this is going on, therefore, there is no need to > even send out a notice.t  E I wouldn't go so far as to not send out a notice, but I've busted theeE shadow sets across data centers several times without users noticing, G short of seeing the inevitable performance hit when the shadow sets gett0 rebuilt (it's a tradeoff between pain and time).  G I've done at least 3 scheduled changes in the last year where I've shute= down an entire data center to do maintenance.  I recabled and-G readdressed the CI in each data center while users were happily working G in the other, none the wiser.  I did my hot Y2K fallback by busting thetG shadow sets (they're still protected by Raid 5 in each data center) and0/ then reforming them later when all proved ok.  .  F You can build a cluster with lots of redundancy.  My total applicationH unavailability for last year was 20 minutes, and that's when we tried toD migrate half our data center to another building and screwed it up. G This was done during the middle of day, something I wouldn't even dream D of doing with another OS.  I took a cluster down, only the 2nd in 10G years (the last was caused by a VMS locking issue in a data center thate" wasn't as redundant - by choice!).  M > These are the types of capabilities that Customers are beginning to requestiH > when they start looking at Internet based applications where scheduledJ > system downtime is rapidly becoming unacceptable - if it has any type of" > application availability impact. > 
 > Regards, >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant, > Compaq Canada  > Professional ServicesP > Voice : 613-592-4660 > FAX   : 819-772-7036 > Email : kerry.main@compaq.com    --   Ed Wilts Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts@mediaone.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:34:34 -0400-2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>. Subject: OpenVMS UCX/FTP and Internet Explorer7 Message-ID: <200006252334_MC2-AA10-1D7B@compuserve.com>d  $         Ideas?  Sure.  Use Netscape!  $ Message text written by "Randy Jung"J >My site was looking for an easy way of transferring files to and from ou= rKH VMS systems and we hit upon the idea of using the FTP option in InternetJ Explorer. This works for linux, NT and just about everything else. If you=  J try it for VMS, say putting FTP://vmsnode.com in the address bar it comes=  H back with a graphical representation of the directory but the file names are J just garbage. I've tracked this down to the fact that Inernet Explorer us= esJ the information from the output of the FTP directory command to create th= e J graphical representation and makes assumptions on which columns are files= , J file sizes and so on. I've tried it with UCX 4.2 and 5.0a and no luck. Ha= snJ anyone been able to get it to work? Any way of forcing VMS to generate th= ebF results of the FTP directory command in a UNIX format instead of a VMSH format? It works for Netscape which I assume is using the ls command (noJ file information in that command). Any ideas or help that can get this to=   work appreciated.i <    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 02:34:38 GMTt$ From: Ed Wilts <ewilts@mediaone.net>= Subject: Re: Pricing of hardware/software for hobbist/student-, Message-ID: <3956C13F.FC52A59F@mediaone.net>   Robert Deininger wrote:l > 5 > On Sat, Jun 24, 2000 11:47 PM, Wayne Sewell  wrote:hA > >In article <B57A6D2A-7D4EB@165.247.44.7>, "Robert Deininger" <e% > >rdeininger@mindspring.com> writes:T > M > >> I used their Thruway product many years ago.  I don't know if it's still L > >> around.  It's pretty much been superseded by the TMSCP server in recent > >> versions of VMS.i > >e+ > >It is *if* you are running in a cluster.- > J > I had forgotten the decnet part.  Actually, I've never NOT had clustered > VMS systems.  A There are lots of reasons to not have clustered VMS systems.  ForoE example, a VMS-based cluster console should NEVER be clustered to thedD cluster it's monitoring - to do so would be silly since you won't beE notified if you get a cluster hang.  I've got VMS systems I manage inMD other cities that are too far away to be clustered.  They back up toH local tape drives, but they wouldn't have to if I wanted to use Thruway.   -- u Ed Wilts Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts@mediaone.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:34:36 -0400a2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>9 Subject: Pricing of hardware/software for hobbist/studentS7 Message-ID: <200006252334_MC2-AA10-1D7C@compuserve.com>c  G         My last system purchase was an AlphaStation 200 4/166.  It cametJ with 32Mb of memory, 1Gb disk, CDROM, Floppy, keyboard and mouse.  Licens= esG included OpenVMS/Alpha, OpenVMS/Alpha-ADL, NAS-150 (DECnet, TCP/IP, VMSlH Cluster Client. . . ), Open3d,and MMOV-RT.   The system had gone "end ofJ life" and DEC was dumping the leftovers.  $1500.  I added 64Mb of memory.=  =  E Total cost: about $2200 not including a monitor, which I already had.t  J         AlphaStation 200 4/233 (without licenses, disk, or CDROM,  and wi= th5 32Mb of memory) used to sell for about $300 on E-Bay.   F         Check E-Bay, Online.com, some of the DEC/Compaq used equipmentJ dealers, etc, and see what's available for what you can afford to spend. =    Call CPU Options at 800 777-6567 and ask. . . .    # Message text written by Matt MorleyC > =f  F I just graduated high school and will be attending a community college in the Fall.  C I've spent just over the last year working part time for a softwarelG company (Software Partners) that writes backup/restore/media managementVG for VMS (amoung many things). I've been doing testing on other projectsd* and doing web/network related stuff there.  H I've been reading up on the user manuals for OpenVMS from work during myH spare time and was wondering what it would cost to get a small system up and running with TCP/IP.  E I currently have several windows/Linux/BSD machines and would like toe add VMS to my network.  " Anyone got suggestions on prices?<   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 03:23:06 GMT5% From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@dialupnet.com>c7 Subject: Re: Removing/Stripping RFC headers from emailsV8 Message-ID: <alt4lsk3sh7tgs16j2rf8fdp1i14asg1pp@4ax.com>  E We have had problems doing this where someone forwarded a message and = didn't use ">" characters (or something else) to seperate theo forwarded message.  @ On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:42:02 -0400, Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> wrote:  + >At 04:12 PM 6/14/00 -0400, JF Mezei wrote:t >>Jeff Schreiber wrote:i' >> >     Some facts about header lines:aN >> >         1) Headers are seperated from the text by a null line.  So if you< >> >            find a null line, there are no more headers. >>N >>My problem is not processing the RFC header (I already have code for that inP >>another piece of software), but building code that will detect the presence orN >>not of such header in situations where the software gets messages in variousE >>formats. (header at top, no header at all or header at the bottom).a >>F >>Obviously, I can scan to see if a line begins with "Return-path:" orP >>"Received:", but I am affraid of cases where the originator of the message mayM >>have typed this on the first line of a message as part of his text. I guessaM >>looking for a "Return-path" followed by a "Received:" might eliminate such e >>cases. >eK >Scan the first and last paragraphs in the file. RFC822 headers start with -I >"From " and go to the first blank line, so you have a limited window to vI >look at. If the first line starts with "From ", and all the rest of the wI >lines either start with whitespace or a a word followed by a colon then nI >you've probably got a header block. Don't try validating all the header  K >field names as folks use non-standard ones, though checking for Received:    >and Return-path: is reasonable. >o	 >					Danr >lJ >--------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------3 >Dan Sugalski                          even samurais@ >dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and even< >                                      teddy bears get drunk >e  1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaq - (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail).   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:34:30 -0400n2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>0 Subject: Re:Searching for  " in files using dcl.7 Message-ID: <200006252334_MC2-AA10-1D79@compuserve.com>i  2 a =3D f$locate("""",line)         ! Worked for me.  %         That's four double quotes!  =     * Message text written by "Waard, D.G.A. de"' >I have a question for you vms wizards:a  D How can I locate the position of " (double quote)using dcl lexicals.) Im trying to do this using the following:t  / a =3D f$locate(""",line) ; but this won't work.n  % Does anyone know a solution for this?n thanx  =     ps Im using Alpha VMS 7.2<   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:52:52 +0100l5 From: "Adrian Lumsden" <A.Lumsden@spamtrap.xdt.co.uk>b* Subject: Re: set display to PC over modem?/ Message-ID: <8j6029$fpr$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>P  5 Phillip Helbig <helbig@astro.rug.nl> wrote in message/( news:8j3150$k13$1@info.service.rug.nl...E > In a pinch, I have to log into a VMS machine from a PC over a modem@G > connection.  Is there anyway to use SET DISPLAY so that something can G > display at the screen I'm then sitting at?  What about using an LKxxxi > from a PC---any chance?m  3 I use LK450-AA kerboards on all my PC systems here.m0 Reflection and PowerTerm support them although I, have had some problems getting the F19 & F20 keys to work under Reflection.  / LK450s are still available from brokers. If youe! need a contact drop me an e-mail.s   regards,   Adrian   --( Adrian Lumsden, XDT Computer Systems, UK" A dot Lumsden at xdt dot co dot uk   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jun 2000 18:22:55 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)$ Subject: strange problems in SYSBOOT. Message-ID: <8j5ilv$da0$1@info.service.rug.nl>  D I managed to pick up a used ALPHA.  I don't know the SYSTEM (or any G other) password.  Following the steps described in the FAQ, I run into sD two problems.  First, SPAWN gives %SYSBOOT-E-SYNTAX, syntax error.  H Second, the @ prints as ".  (I know that " is sometimes in the place of H @ on keyboards, but I tried a couple of normal keyboards---an LK401 and 
 an LK201.)  > The system is a DEC 3000 M600 175 MHz 192 MB memory, two SCSI I controllers, 2 1 GB disks inside as well as CD-ROM (not that any of this d matters here).   What can I do?  H The console is the graphics monitor at the moment.  Would it make sense I to try out a VT?  Is it SET CONSOLE SERIAL or what is the command to get e the console on the serial line?   F As my news access is slow at the moment, please email the response as I well.  (Anyone who knows the answer knows that I'm a regular contributor  H to and reader of the group and normally follow Hoff's "ask here, get an  answer here" philosophy.    n   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Jun 2000 19:35:56 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)( Subject: Re: strange problems in SYSBOOT. Message-ID: <8j5mus$ekq$1@info.service.rug.nl>  [ In article <8j5ilv$da0$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:m  E >I managed to pick up a used ALPHA.  I don't know the SYSTEM (or any hH >other) password.  Following the steps described in the FAQ, I run into E >two problems.  First, SPAWN gives %SYSBOOT-E-SYNTAX, syntax error.  -I >Second, the @ prints as ".  (I know that " is sometimes in the place of tI >@ on keyboards, but I tried a couple of normal keyboards---an LK401 and n >an LK201.)i > ? >The system is a DEC 3000 M600 175 MHz 192 MB memory, two SCSI  J >controllers, 2 1 GB disks inside as well as CD-ROM (not that any of this  >matters here).i >t >What can I do?s >iI >The console is the graphics monitor at the moment.  Would it make sense  J >to try out a VT?  Is it SET CONSOLE SERIAL or what is the command to get   >the console on the serial line? >dG >As my news access is slow at the moment, please email the response as 7J >well.  (Anyone who knows the answer knows that I'm a regular contributor I >to and reader of the group and normally follow Hoff's "ask here, get an   >answer here" philosophy.  >m >   B OK, I forgot CONTINUE.  For some reason, I now get the @ from the I keyboard.  I changed the system password.  However, after a reboot, even hC after a power cycle, it stops at the $ prompt; the process name is p: STARTUP.  I've never seen this before either.  What to do?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:40:09 -0500h) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>c( Subject: Re: strange problems in SYSBOOT7 Message-ID: <01d601bfdee5$8f9b9b40$020a0a0a@xile.realm>C  * From: Phillip Helbig <helbig#astro.rug.nl>F > >I managed to pick up a used ALPHA.  I don't know the SYSTEM (or anyI > >other) password.  Following the steps described in the FAQ, I run intoaE > >two problems.  First, SPAWN gives %SYSBOOT-E-SYNTAX, syntax error.t > <snip> > C > OK, I forgot CONTINUE.  For some reason, I now get the @ from the0J > keyboard.  I changed the system password.  However, after a reboot, evenD > after a power cycle, it stops at the $ prompt; the process name is< > STARTUP.  I've never seen this before either.  What to do?  & .SDRAWKCAB QAF eht ni spets eht wolloF  G At the SYSBOOT> prompt you need to set the startup command file back too SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.COM.    -JohnW wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 16:59:55 -0400b, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>( Subject: Re: strange problems in SYSBOOT> Message-ID: <hshubs-3789B7.16595525062000@news.mindspring.com>  C In article <8j5mus$ekq$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl   wrote:  C >OK, I forgot CONTINUE.  For some reason, I now get the @ from the  J >keyboard.  I changed the system password.  However, after a reboot, even D >after a power cycle, it stops at the $ prompt; the process name is ; >STARTUP.  I've never seen this before either.  What to do?M  I You have to SET/STARTUP back to SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.COM to get it to boot e? normally again.  Boot conversationally, then at SYSBOOT> enter 2  - SYSBOOT> SET/STARTUP "SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.COM"e  9 I -think- you need the quotes, but I'm not sure off-hand.a   --   Howard S Shubs, the Denim Adepth   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:03:34 GMT03 From: cornelius@eisner.decus.org (George Cornelius)>( Subject: Re: strange problems in SYSBOOT+ Message-ID: <YWXfpaMfzIq$@eisner.decus.org>D  [ In article <8j5ilv$da0$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:aF > I managed to pick up a used ALPHA.  I don't know the SYSTEM (or any I > other) password.  Following the steps described in the FAQ, I run into .F > two problems.  First, SPAWN gives %SYSBOOT-E-SYNTAX, syntax error.  J > Second, the @ prints as ".  (I know that " is sometimes in the place of J > @ on keyboards, but I tried a couple of normal keyboards---an LK401 and  > an LK201.) > @ > The system is a DEC 3000 M600 175 MHz 192 MB memory, two SCSI K > controllers, 2 1 GB disks inside as well as CD-ROM (not that any of this   > matters here). >  > What can I do? > J > The console is the graphics monitor at the moment.  Would it make sense K > to try out a VT?  Is it SET CONSOLE SERIAL or what is the command to get n! > the console on the serial line?h  < Sounds like the obvious next step in debugging this problem.  K I do have an M600 but I'm about a mile away from it at the moment. The 3000 G M800 sitting next to me has a switch (S3) next to a DECconnect modifiediL RJ11 port and I believe that this may select console functionality, althoughI looking at the markings on this and on a DB25P nearby, I might also guess ? that it selects which of the two functions as the console port.o   --8 George Cornelius              cornelius@eisner.decus.org0                               cornelius@mayo.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:06:13 +0200o  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>( Subject: Re: strange problems in SYSBOOT+ Message-ID: <VA.00000076.0026e76b@sture.ch>s  D In article <8j5ilv$da0$1@info.service.rug.nl>, Phillip Helbig wrote:  J > Second, the @ prints as ".  (I know that " is sometimes in the place of J > @ on keyboards, but I tried a couple of normal keyboards---an LK401 and  > an LK201.) > L Not got either a US or UK keyboard here, but IIRC the @ and " positions are C more or less reversed between the two, or one of the very adjacent r characters.n ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerlands   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:25:07 +0200h2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)( Subject: Re: strange problems in SYSBOOT; Message-ID: <3956cd13.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>e  - Howard S Shubs (hshubs@mindspring.com) wrote:  : helbig@astro.rug.nl wrote:E : >OK, I forgot CONTINUE.  For some reason, I now get the @ from the aL : >keyboard.  I changed the system password.  However, after a reboot, even F : >after a power cycle, it stops at the $ prompt; the process name is = : >STARTUP.  I've never seen this before either.  What to do?e :oK : You have to SET/STARTUP back to SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.COM to get it to boot aA : normally again.  Boot conversationally, then at SYSBOOT> enter r :h/ : SYSBOOT> SET/STARTUP "SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.COM"i   Or, on the boot before, user     SYSBOOT> SET WRITESYSPARAMS 0t  - before CONTINUEing - as suggested by the FAQ.y  ; : I -think- you need the quotes, but I'm not sure off-hand.v   IMHO, no, you don't.   cu,d   Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deeN One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 16:32:18 -0400u+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> 1 Subject: RE: Unix to OpenVMS portability concernscJ Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284475@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   David,  * The following url may also be of interest:@ http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/ips/porting.htmlI "The OpenVMS Porting Library makes it faster and easier to port C and C++T: applications from Unix to OpenVMS Alpha and OpenVMS VAX. "   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant,
 Compaq Canada  Professional Servicese Voice : 613-592-4660 FAX   : 819-772-7036 Email : kerry.main@compaq.comt       -----Original Message-----# From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edut& [mailto:mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu]# Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 7:15 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms- Subject: Unix to OpenVMS portability concernss    G I finally got around to writing down some information for people new too' doing Unix to OpenVMS ports.  It's at: f  :    http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/www/UNIX_TO_VMS_NOTES.TXT  J Please email me any additions, corrections, clarifications which may be in	 order.   i   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edud? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:20:25 GMTM0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com> Subject: Re: VAX on Intel?& Message-ID: <FwqGoJ.6xt@world.std.com>  J There is now a beta HOBBYIST version of the celebrated VAX/VMS emulator at www.charon-vax.com.W   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:58:45 -0500D7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: VAX on Intel?- Message-ID: <39569CB5.546C96D1@earthlink.net>l   Bill Todd wrote: [snip]I > But it's still a tough call for Compaq:  if they reduce Alpha prices toiH > anything like PC prices, then are they really all that much better offL > selling Alphas than PCs?  (Don't answer too quickly:  there are a *lot* of > elements involved.)n  = Indeed. However, let's look at operating system availability:c   Intel: - W/NT - W/9x - W2Ku - MS-DOS - Linuxs - BeOS - *BSD - UNIX) - OpenVMS (coming soon via VAX emulation)o   Alpha:/ - W/NT (ending REAL soon, or has already ended)a - Linux  - *BSD - UNIX (Tru64)	 - OpenVMSt  D Large area of overlap there, especially in the "M$ alternative" areaH which is all the rage just now. Actually, when you look at that list, M$D seems to be the one to look at sideways! (No current or future M$ on Alpha!)   8 >  We could wish that the opportunities to take over theK > world that existed 15 years or so ago were still there (not just for VMS, L > but for any good hardware or software architecture), but in reality thingsN > are much different today and the fact that Compaq has feet in all camps just > makes them harder.  H ...but positions them well to to take advantage of the first opportunity: to arise as well as multiple opportunities simultaneously.  nM > If it were my decision, I'd immediately start some pilot experiments to getrN > a better idea of where more aggressive action might be rewarded, rather thanN > close my eyes and take a major gamble without such exploration (I just don'tE > think Compaq's so near extinction that it needs to do that - but ita2 > certainly needs to get ready to do *something*).  F No, Compaq is not near extinction - more than can be said for OpenVMS.C The first and foremost thing they can do for themselves, on *EVERY*0 front is learn to MARKET!    F > We'll see.  The big question right now may be whether Compaq has the* > leadership to do *anything* significant.  F Whole-hearted agreement here! (Hardly what you expected from me, huh?)   -- w David J. Dachteraw dba DJE Systemst" http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:+ http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 21:49:40 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>a Subject: Re: VAX on Intel?, Message-ID: <3956B6B2.2C0904E2@videotron.ca>   Bill Todd wrote:M > If it were my decision, I'd immediately start some pilot experiments to geteN > a better idea of where more aggressive action might be rewarded, rather thanN > close my eyes and take a major gamble without such exploration (I just don'tE > think Compaq's so near extinction that it needs to do that - but itj2 > certainly needs to get ready to do *something*).  M When you have a leading architecture that has been around for 8 years and hasoM yet to make any inroads, and when you have the 8086 succesfully making claims:K of being the fastest chip in the world, and when you have IBM still seen as L the only capable "mainframe" for real big jobs, then something is very wrong1 with the way Alpha has been and is being handled.t  J If you don't do anything, Alpha will continue to remain a niche player andJ once Intel gets its IA64 out, I suspect most of the software that needs 64N bits will migrate to IA64 and dump Alpha because they know Intel is capable ofG shuving those chips down customer's throaths. And IF IA64 ever gets itse8 performance up to snuff, it will spell the end of Alpha.  L But if Alpha were able to garner mind share NOW, it would increase is marketL share to a point where it would be seen as a viable architecture and rumours< of Compaq letting it go would really be a thing of the past.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:12:14 -0400n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: VAX on Intel?, Message-ID: <3956D815.78E163CD@videotron.ca>   Dave Weatherall wrote:D > I do seem to remember reading statements that implied that SUN hadB > priced its systems to attract customers. It seems to have been aF > successful policy. Maybe COMPAQ could come up with a policy designed > to attract people back.h  L While Digital was busy pricing its systems to be just a tad cheaper than IBMJ in the last 80s, SUN and the others were pricing theirs to be cheaper thanK Digital's. DEC failed to see its real competition because it was focused on-L IBM. So DEC lost a significant portion of its workstations to SUN and Apollo/ (I beleive it was integrated into HP, right ?).   M Digital refused to ackowledge the PC competition and kept its compiler prices / way out of line. Guess where developpers went ?r  N Compaq now thinks that VMS is safe in those 5 market niches it has identified.N It will again fail to see its real competition coming and will again lose out.K The problem is that this is the last bit of marketshare VMS has, so when it"L loses it, it will effectively be dead. Those still on VMS can count on thoseN 12 years of commitment, but the customers won't spend much on VMS applicatiosn etc during that time.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:21:14 -0400z- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>o Subject: Re: VAX on Intel?, Message-ID: <3956DA30.BB551813@videotron.ca>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:H > No, Compaq is not near extinction - more than can be said for OpenVMS.E > The first and foremost thing they can do for themselves, on *EVERY*a > front is learn to MARKET!   N Consider how the NASDAQ casino works, and how a single wall street analyst canM make a company triple in value, of lose 70% of its value in a matter of hourshB or a day, and I would not be so confident about Compaq's survival.  C Compaq has not received much good press in the past (problems beingiK competitive with Dell, problems selling direct, etc etc, and if problems in N marketing surface, and if it becomes known that some of its enterprise systemsN are not doing too well, it may very well bring the price of Compaq's stocl low8 enough that Compaq will be the target of an acquisition.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 01:09:58 -0400d' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>b Subject: Re: VAX on Intel?( Message-ID: <8j6ohv$b8l$1@pyrite.mv.net>  8 Dave Weatherall <djweath@attglobal.net> wrote in message/ news:DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-dqS0nU3qeznT@localhost...-   ...-  F > But the effect is the same. No workstations, we all agreed, means noC > new VMS development (actually that really means little or no new)8D > which would mean VMS leaves a legacy to be picked up by ??. If theC > hardware is available but people are not prepared to fork out thetG > money, well it's the same thing and VMS has its dwindling high margin D > niche, which will be constantly under attack from its competitors.  E Except that inexpensive hardware *is* available to developers, as haspJ frequently been pointed out here.  If you're really strapped for cash, youK can pick up a licensed older VMS system for a few hundred dollars, and even L the current roughly $7K price for a DS10 with 'most everything you need (notI including clustering, but since clustering is transparent to most low-endtK applications that shouldn't slow you down) isn't particularly intimidating.oJ I still suspect you can cut that to under $5K if you can forego TCP/IP andK friends and get what used to be the base VMS license, and since it was justaI mentioned that you can get gcc for VMS you can skip Compaq's compilers if'J Compaq hasn't yet priced them competitively (though my impression was that this had now come to pass).0   ...:  H > Nobody said it was _easy_. But that's why the marketing/management menD > get paid. From little acorns. stout oaks shall grow... You do have, > plant them tho'. The 'Subtle stuff' again.  C The 'subtle' point you're missing is that to all appearances you're K proposing to plant those acorns in the desert, while I'm suggesting that itt2 would be better to wait until you've irrigated it.   ...   ? > It all depends on how you perceive the 'Chicken and the egg'.e  K No, that's not the situation at all.  Your position is, "Assume the chicken,H [latent demand, in the current discussion].  Then by definition, the eggJ [increased sales volume] can't come first, but will follow."  If you can'tE see the weakness of that argument, then I don't think I can help you.m  F My counter is, "Show me the chicken first, before you make any furtherJ assertions.  Or, if you can't show me the chicken, here's what you need toK do [prove that VMS is still viable *anywhere*, in a way that might at least L suggest potential increased demand at lower price] to make your *assumption*4 of the chicken at least worthy of taking seriously."   - bill    You see3 > it one way and David (and myself) see it another.s >s > Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:19:39 -0400o+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>a Subject: RE: VEST / DECmigrateJ Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284478@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   Martin,n  " >>>   $ show system /noprocess <<<   Cool. I did not know this one. -  L Just shows there is always something to be learned about dcl - no matter how many years you use it.   :-)t   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant,
 Compaq Canadad Professional Services0 Voice : 613-592-4660 FAX   : 819-772-7036 Email : kerry.main@compaq.comd       -----Original Message-----@ From: martin@RADIOGAGA.HARZ.DE [mailto:martin@RADIOGAGA.HARZ.DE]# Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 7:56 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComN Subject: Re: VEST / DECmigrate    0 Boyle, Darren (boyledj@bankofbermuda.com) wrote:: : BAKUP1_Darren2>  pipe show system | sear sys$pipe uptimeK : OpenVMS V7.1  on node BAKUP1   5-JUN-2000 15:36:36.94  Uptime  1 04:07:08,  6 You do know that you can save a lot of typing by using     $ show system /noprocess  
 don't you?   cu,    Martin --D                        |  Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer1   OpenVMS: When you    |  work: mv@pdv-systeme.dePH   KNOW where you want  |        http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/8   to go today.         |  home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:07:18 -0400g+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>sD Subject: RE: Which cpu does Sun server use: I386, Mip, Ppc or Alpha?J Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284477@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   Andrew,t  K Apologies for the delays in getting back to your note .. been busy planning ) large Alpha GS Series deployments :-) :-)r  ? >>> Kerry people buy systems they don't buy CPU's in isolation.eG Compaq/Digital have always been long on CPU performance, particulary ifPH measured by benchmarks that don't stress any other system capability but have for theK last 2-3 years been very short on systems throughput. It may suprise you toeJ know that something like Oracle can spend more than 50% of its time simplyJ doing loads and stores. With this in mind concentrating on CPU performance> will not deliver the performance benefits people hope for. >>>  I I guess the fact that these new systems support up to 224 PCI slots on 64DL different PCI buses and up to 256Gb of memory does not count towards overallH systems performance? Or that the global switch has approximately 13GB of bandwidth? n  H In addition, those that use Oracle Rdb are going to love what the Oracle folks are doing with Galaxy :-)   J >>> Now none of these things would have been an issue if WildFire had beenK announced and delivered 3-4 years ago, but being marginally faster than theeL E10K for example is hardly going to ensure that WildFire is competitive onceI SuperDome and Suns UltraIII machines and the IBM S80 replacement ship andi# none of them are that far away. >>>   K You mean "recent" announcements like the SPARC III (Superdome chip) will doc better? L http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/9710/sunflash.971006.1.html (Oct 1997)   Those in glass houses ..   :-)n   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant,
 Compaq Canadau Professional Servicesg Voice : 613-592-4660 FAX   : 819-772-7036 Email : kerry.main@compaq.come       -----Original Message-----' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyc! [mailto:andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com]e& Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 8:28 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com D Subject: Re: Which cpu does Sun server use: I386, Mip, Ppc or Alpha?     "Main, Kerry" wrote:  	 > Andrew,s > L > >> One could if one was being cruel make the same point about Compaq, "who9 > knows what Compaq really plan with/for MERCED/ALPHA :-)- > <<<- >-K > Yep, one could, except that Compaq has been very clear that Alpha will be<I > its high end chip architecture for OpenVMS, Tru64, Himalayan, and Linux0 > OS's.2 >6H > As previous reply stated, to make this very clear, Compaq announced it wouldt$ > not be porting Tru64 UNIX to IA64. >oK > Now, if one was being cruel, one could make the point "What is Sun's highe4 > end chip strategy going to be? SPARC III or IA64?" >o  J Kerry people buy systems they don't buy CPU's in isolation. Compaq/DigitalD have always been long on CPU performance, particulary if measured byI benchmarks that don't stress any other system capability but have for the-H last 2-3 years been very short on systems throughput. It may suprise youF to know that something like Oracle can spend more than 50% of its timeE simply doing loads and stores. With this in mind concentrating on CPU(F performance will not deliver the performance benefits people hope for.  D This is illustrated by Compaqs inability to lay claim to performance
 leadership  8 for anything that does stress components other than CPU.  G Now Compaq have just released WildFire and in the rosy glow surroundingTD its launch you seem to have missed a few really sorry aspects of the WildFireJ design which tend to suggest that Compaq need to be developing WildFire II" for release as early as next year.   What are the sorry aspects ?  F Well memory latency as a starter, the local on node access in WildFireD is 330ns with remote access being 990ns, this would have been OK 3-4F years ago (its similar to the Origin 2000) but does not look too greatB now. The E10K for example has a flat latency from all CPU's to all> memory of ~450ns and to acheive this as an average on WildFireD you need to be getting 80+% local accesses. This is going to be hardB to do just relying on the OS and this may require people to changeB the way they develop applications. Incedentally the WildFire white< paper published by Compaq where WildFire latency is compared? with E10K latency uses a "made up" E10K latency number of 600ns ? which may have made you think that WildFire is more competitiveF than it is.0  ? Just for your information the Origin 2000 a 3-4 year old systemo9 had at lanuch 310ns local and 950ns remote as illustratedo6 in the white paper SGI published for the origin intro.  ) http://www.sgi.com/origin/images/isca.pdfp  ? Secondly the bisectional bandwidth of the WildFire is about the,: same as the E10K, yes Compaq have published higher STREAMS< numbers but these included local on-node memory access which< assumes that a process never goes off node. This is unlikely< except for a very small subset of applications that WildFire
 will support.]  = Now none of these things would have been an issue if WildFires9 had been announced and delivered 3-4 years ago, but beinga; marginally faster than the E10K for example is hardly goingw9 to ensure that WildFire is competitive once SuperDome and/7 Suns UltraIII machines and the IBM S80 replacement shipe# and none of them are that far away.   5 So more pertinent is what is Compaqs high end systems 5 strategy, as you can see it would be unwise to assumes  ( that WildFire is the answer. :-) :-) :-)   Regards  Andrew Harrison- Enterprise IT Architectu   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 21:22:20 GMT.! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>e8 Subject: WTB: VAX 11 Pascal manual & VMS Commands manual' Message-ID: <39567827.9C4C274D@vrx.net>V   If anyone has these manuals:  C VAX 11 Pascal manual & VMS Commands manual or any of the following:4   VAX-11 Programming Carda   AV-D827C-TE.  (                EDT Editor Reference Card   AV-J756A-TC-  <               VAX-11 Fortran Language Summary booklet (1982)   AV-M763A-TEs  =                VAX-11 Fortran Language Summary booklet (1984)    AV-M763B-TEC  <                VAX-11 Pascal Language Summary booklet (1982)   AV-L368A-TEC  D                VAX-11 Pascal Language Summary booklet (spiral bound) (1985)   AV-L368B-TE,  A                BASIC Pocket Reference Guide (spiral bound) (1982)/   AV-L341A-TKS  H                VAX/VMS DCL Commands and Lexical Functions (spiral bound) (1984)   AA-Z003A-TET  B                VAX EDT Quick Reference Guide (spiral bound) (1984)   AA-Z001A-TEM  +                Introduction to BASIC (1982)n   AA-0155B-TKa  4                Introduction to the EDT Editor (1982)   AA-J824B-TEt   Please drop me an email.F Yes I know they were just on ebay, but the first two items were pulled off by0 ebay support for reasons they will not give out.   B.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.354 ************************dware or software architecture), but in reality thingsN > are much different today and the fact that Compaq has feet in all camps just > makes them harder.  H ...but positions them well to to take advantage of the first opportunity: to arise as well as multiple opportunities simultaneously.  nM > If it were my decision, I'd immediately start some pilot experiments to getrN > a better idea of where more aggressive action might be rewarded, rather thanN > close my eyes and take've seen, it's about the only IM server,2 > > and one of the few open-source kits out there. > >eK > > The potential for IM behind firewalls looks really attractive; I'd liken1 > > to see this on OpenVMS (no U*X in this shop).n > K > Not sure what you're describing.  Inter-process messages?  Something likeC PHONE?  G Yes, Something like PHONE, typically with a GUI.  And some of them witheJ banner advertisements in the header or footer of the window to pay for the server.-  K Either the Source or Specifications for the America Online Instant Messager1H were available before their issues with Microsoft.  It may still be.  In- that case it could probably be ported to VMS.m  H Unlike PHONE, the AOL Instant Messager is limited to 2 participants at aL time.  It also gives you a window (with advertisements) that shows if anyone? that you have in your directory has a connection to the server.r   -Johnt wb8tyw@qsl.network   Tip:= Do not read Janet Simon's resume, she is a friend of Melissa.>  5 http://www.icsa.net/html/hypeorhot/index.shtml#resumeg   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 21:30:46 +0400 + From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <laishev@dls.net>h+ Subject: Re: Looking for PW API informationr@ Message-ID: <SyTX4.82476$681.1602285@news-east.usenetserver.com>   Pathworks News wrote in messagen- <8glg6u$oj2$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>...m >David,o >tA >At this point in time you can't check the password change times.g: >We are working on a change on this to make this possible.* >So, for this I can only say, be patience. >0K >About the API, yes I expected an Microsoft/workstation application because   >on OpenVMS we don't have API's.E     Hmmm... It's very strange , how in this case works ADMIN MOD USERtG /PASS=, directly write a password to the PW database, and to SYSUAF (byC
 $setuai) ?   ------------------------------    Date: 27 May 2000 10:42:53 -04004 From: "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: MicroVMS 4.4 + Message-ID: <B5555730-48364@165.247.44.178>w  2 On Fri, May 26, 2000 12:36 PM, Hoff Hoffman wrote: >tH >In article <8gjvpl$2qaa$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@cs.scranton.edu (Bill >Gunshannon) writes:H >:It's a long story, but I have installed MicroVMS 4.4 on a MicroVAX II. >uI >  Whoa.  Send me a copy of your distribution kit when you're done (as it I >  looks readable), and I'll archive it in the antiques section.  (I haveeH >  a MicroVMS V4.4 kit on RX50 in a box, but I have no idea if the RX50 / >  media will itself still read correctly.) :-)k  G If you really have gaps in your library, I've got drawers full of TK50s I going back to that era.  Some of our own, and a lot more that we recentlyoH inherited.  I don't have a complete inventory, but I know I've seen someF microVMS 4.x labels in there.  Also a TU58 boot tape for a Vax 11/750 G (version 5.something I think), but it says 1/2 on the label and I don't1A have its mate.  We even got a large stack of 8" floppies with the H nice orange DEC labels - but no way to read these.  Best of all, severalE cases of fan-folded punched paper tape - part of a RT-11 distributionA (oops, wrong newsgroup.)  I Let me know if there are specific TK50s you need, and I'll look for them.6  E How does one clean a TK70 drive?  First step seems to be removing the G dust-bunnies with tongs.  Then what?  The head doesn't seem accessible.6) Would a DLT cleaning cart work in a TK70?l  @ This past week, our service group decided to throw out all their Vax-relatednI spare parts. (THEY don't have any more VMS machines, but WE do.)  Lots o