1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 27 Jun 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 357       Contents: Re: Common Alpha Executable & Re: Compaq paying for software ports ? Configuring eXcursion  RE: Configuring eXcursion  Re: DEC C versions" RE: DECNET-Plus, DTSS, NTP and UTC( Re: Deleting system files [...]*.*_old;*( Re: Deleting system files [...]*.*_old;*. RE: Found: PC package to make backup of VMS CD Re: Hotmail  Re: Hotmail < Re: How to create a native VMS command - and a few questions< Re: How to create a native VMS command - and a few questions< RE: How to create a native VMS command - and a few questions< Re: How to create a native VMS command - and a few questions< Re: How to create a native VMS command - and a few questions< Re: How to create a native VMS command - and a few questions< RE: How to create a native VMS command - and a few questions# how to forward vax-email to smtp??? ' RE: how to forward vax-email to smtp??? 9 How to stop TYPE/PAGE=SAVE resetting the scrolling region 9 ideas for accessing common data between multiple clusters B Re: Installing OpenVMS on VAX 3100 30/40: System Password problems Re: Logging off users remotely? $ Re: Mitnick (was Re: Fun VMS Facts?)$ Re: Mitnick (was Re: Fun VMS Facts?)+ Re: Monitoring Tool for CIS app on Open VMS 2 Re: My experience with Charon-VAX Hobbyist Edition Needed, New Search Command7 RE: Northern Light vs. Google (and the winner is . . .) ( Re: OpenVMS Alpha C programming question oracle "success story" OT - new grandson  Re: OT - new grandson  Re: OT - new grandson  OVMS 7.2 updates Re: OVMS 7.2 updates Re: print que problems Print share for LG01 Re: print to file  Re: print to file  Re: print to file ! Re: set display to PC over modem? 6 Stopping the cluster traffic on an Ethernet controller: Re: Stopping the cluster traffic on an Ethernet controller: Re: Stopping the cluster traffic on an Ethernet controller RE: strange problems in SYSBOOT  RE: strange problems in SYSBOOT G RE: Transparent login to another cluster node using DECnet Task-to-Task  UNSUB INFO-VAX% Re: VAX based 1032 database to Oracle % Re: VAX based 1032 database to Oracle % Re: VAX based 1032 database to Oracle  Re: VAX on Intel? ; Re: what layered products can i install with these licences ' : how to forward vax-email to smtp???   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 27 Jun 2000 06:01:45 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)$ Subject: Re: Common Alpha Executable, Message-ID: <8j9g09$1bg@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  a In article <8is42b$bra@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes: & > This week I obtained a copy of CAP3,G >a DNA assembly program, and ran it on one of our Linux DS10s.  It then J >turned out that this was actually a Tru64 executable!  I've tried runningL >Tru64 binaries on Linux before, with no luck, but apparently some subset of@ >Tru64 programs will run on Linux (and presumably, vice versa.)    On Linux objdump --syms shows:  ' cap3:     file format ecoff-littlealpha   4 It could well be that ELF or others could also work.   >  >$ cc/cae program  >$ link/cae program   J which would generate an ecoff-littlealpha or some other commonly supported format.   + >$ define dcl$path f$environment("default") 
 >$ program  F Ah, it gets interesting here.  The loader picks it up and sees that itG isn't a regular OpenVMS executable, so it passes it on to the alternate K loader, which presumably could be sucked out of Tru64 and modified slightly K for this task.  That loader resolves any symbol references against a set of F libC.so (or whatever they may be called) files, which perhaps are justJ stubs redirecting into the native shared libaries.  Hmm, or maybe they areJ much,much closer to the Tru64 libraries.  Anyway, that would go a long wayC towards easing ports too, if for instance by throwing /CAE onto the K compiler and linker you would automatically get a select() which works like G on Unix, a ConnectionNumber that returns a socket, and basically, every < other "guessed wrong and we're stuck with it now on OpenVMS"K incompatibility resolved in a Unix compatible manner.  And it doesn't cause I any backwards compatibility problems at all, since the original libraries : are left alone and a new set is added to complement them.    Problems...   J Record locking for CAE programs might be challenging, or maybe not, if theK lock manager borrowed from OpenVMS and adapted into Tru64 could be borrowed G right back again and used in this context.  Hmm, but if that works then I one starts to see a glimmer of a possibility of cross OS record locking,  @ which might be of some use in a mythical mixed OS alpha cluster.  G Have to set up some sort of Unix like / /usr /etc so that the programs  E could find their files.  Better yet would be an OS neutral path/file/ E fileversion API, so that programmers are never allowed to explicitly   touch a path or filename.   F Have to define a single shell for CAE applications on all platforms or5 anything run through system() would be a lost cause.    K Well, that's more than enough speculation from me - I don't know much about ? these parts of the OS.  Anybody reading this know enough about  J compilers, linkers, and loaders to comment on the feasibility of providing+ "CAE" using ELF or ecoff files on OpenVMS?       Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:55:35 +0100 B From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>/ Subject: Re: Compaq paying for software ports ? * Message-ID: <3958CE77.1323D752@uk.sun.com>  * yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote:  2 > In <3951775D.E8BDE9E8@videotron.ca>, on 06/25/00? >    at 11:20 AM, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> said:  > J > >To be the devil's advocate, what if the VMS engineers were busy workingH > >on full unix compliance of VMS which would make all ports much easier > >from unix source code ? > L > Which would make VMS as febil an OS for production use as UNIX is and thusL > Bill Gates would finally have one and all OS's on the market would suck asK > bad as NT, therefore everyone could just run the sucky NT OS.  Talk about K > heading in the  WRONG direction.  Let me guess, a Compaq MBA came up with - > this idea....could it have been Palmer?????  >     Arrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh.  C Where are you going to get the apps from if you don't get them from = UNIX. What would you prefer applications that require a Win32 & library hosted on OpenVMS to run ?????  F They don't grow on trees and people don't just go off an knock off say: an Office suite in Fortran or Pascal at the drop of a hat.  C Hint, hint, hint, most of the commercial apps that currently run on : OpenVMS are developed on UNIX and key bits of OpenVMS were also developed on UNIX.   E If you have an IP stack on OpenVMS it probably came from one or other D flavour of UNIX, are you suggesting that people should not use IP onC OpenVMS because the IP stack will pollute the purity of the OpenVMS 
 code base.  G If your sentiments are shared by even a small percentage of the OpenVMS B advocates out there then sorry but OpenVMS is doomed. Nothing doesE for an OS quicker than the impression held by senior IT managers that C the only people who know anything about it are unsocialised weirdos K with extreme opinions that could get them sectioned if they arn't carefull.  :-)    Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:25:31 -0500 3 From: Larry Brand <BRAND@RESEARCH.HINES.MED.VA.GOV>  Subject: Configuring eXcursion: Message-ID: <A9E0EA5D91EBD2118BBFAA000400D80447E9EA@NTAS2>  L I am trying to create a terminal session using eXcursion V7.1.814 on a Win98L client to connect (using DECnet) to an Alpha system running OpenVMS V7.1-1H2 and DECnet phase IV.    J The application command in eXcursion is defined as $create/term/detach (it) was one of the predefined applications).    L When I start the application on the client I am prompted for my username andL password. I then receive a message stating "The client requesting connectionJ from 'ALPHA2' was rejected because it is not in the Access Control list."   E 6/27/00  10:08:44 AM  X Server        Information  eXcursion V7.1.814  (Windows95/98) logging enabled. = 6/27/00  10:10:00 AM  X Application Startup   Information  OK D 6/27/00  10:10:01 AM  X Server        Error        AUDIT: Tue Jun 27# 10:10:01 2000: -1568217 eXcursion:  I 6/27/00  10:10:01 AM  X Server        Error        client 1 rejected from  ALPHA2H 6/27/00  10:10:01 AM  X Server        Error        The client requestingE connection from 'ALPHA2' was rejected because it is not in the Access 
 Control list. K 6/27/00  10:10:02 AM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent to Client #1, ' Request=ChangeWindowAttributes, Error=   K I've tried this using both the SYSTEM account, as well as, a non-privileged . account. The results were the same either way.  K Does anyone know how I can add this client and/or username to the ACL? What ! ACL is the message referring to?     Larry B. brand@research.hines.med.va.gov  "I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused..."  !                      - D. McManus    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:00:08 -0500 2 From: "Jung, Randy" <Randy.Jung@CreditUnion.mb.ca>" Subject: RE: Configuring eXcursion> Message-ID: <41BA1DE44D6FD21199DA0000E8665C04826451@EXCHANGE1>   Hi,   # Do you have access control enabled?   I Go to the excursion control panel, click on the access tab. Is the Enable I Access Control field checked off? If it is either put in the correct host K names or disable it. I don't know if you have to restart the server or not.    Cheers,    Randy Jung   System Architect  ! Credit Union Central of Manitoba  % E-mail: Randy.Jung@creditunion.mb.ca   Phone: (204)985-4750   FAX: (204)943-8386       > -----Original Message-----< > From: Larry Brand [mailto:BRAND@RESEARCH.HINES.MED.VA.GOV]' > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 10:26 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com   > Subject: Configuring eXcursion >  > ; > I am trying to create a terminal session using eXcursion   > V7.1.814 on a Win98 > > client to connect (using DECnet) to an Alpha system running  > OpenVMS V7.1-1H2 > and DECnet phase IV.   > 5 > The application command in eXcursion is defined as   > $create/term/detach (it + > was one of the predefined applications).   > ? > When I start the application on the client I am prompted for   > my username and 9 > password. I then receive a message stating "The client   > requesting connection = > from 'ALPHA2' was rejected because it is not in the Access   > Control list."   > G > 6/27/00  10:08:44 AM  X Server        Information  eXcursion V7.1.814 ! > (Windows95/98) logging enabled. ? > 6/27/00  10:10:00 AM  X Application Startup   Information  OK F > 6/27/00  10:10:01 AM  X Server        Error        AUDIT: Tue Jun 27% > 10:10:01 2000: -1568217 eXcursion:  > > 6/27/00  10:10:01 AM  X Server        Error        client 1  > rejected from  > ALPHA2@ > 6/27/00  10:10:01 AM  X Server        Error        The client  > requestingG > connection from 'ALPHA2' was rejected because it is not in the Access  > Control list. @ > 6/27/00  10:10:02 AM  X Protocol      Error        Reply sent  > to Client #1, ) > Request=ChangeWindowAttributes, Error=  > ? > I've tried this using both the SYSTEM account, as well as, a   > non-privileged0 > account. The results were the same either way. > @ > Does anyone know how I can add this client and/or username to  > the ACL? What # > ACL is the message referring to?   > 
 > Larry B.! > brand@research.hines.med.va.gov  > "I used to be disgusted,! > and now I try to be amused..."  # >                      - D. McManus  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:08:37 -0400 ( From: Ed Vogel <edward.vogel@compaq.com> Subject: Re: DEC C versions * Message-ID: <3958A754.4E8DE63A@compaq.com>  9 "Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515" wrote:    > J >         And which ECO  would  that  be,  Fred?   Just  today I installed5 >     CCAE03062,  after which CC/VERS gives V6.2-007.        Ken,  O     The V6.2-A kit is the same as CCAE03062 kit.   As not all customers install T      ECO kits (or are even aware that they exist), we decided that we should produceM      a new kit that all supported customers would receive automatically.   If J      you have installed CCAE03062, then you do not need to install V6.2-A.     > [And by the way,  I J >     found only CCAE01062  on  ftp.service.digital.com...I  don't  recall* >     _where_ I managed to get ECO 3 from.         If you look at: A           http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/.new/openvms.html /     the CCAE03062 kit is the second one listed.   B                                                           Ed VogelN                                                           Compaq C Engineering   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 07:35:42 -0600 (MDT) ) From: John Nebel <nebel@athena.csdco.com> + Subject: RE: DECNET-Plus, DTSS, NTP and UTC G Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0006270703450.15548-100000@athena.csdco.com>    Ken,  G One has to start and stop DTSS after the semi-annual time change to set E the contents of a file used by a task run as a part of system startup F (DTSS$SET_TIMEZONE).  See SYS$COMMON:[SYS$STARTUP]DTSS$UTC_STARTUP.COM  I This task always runs if DECnet/OSI is installed, even if the *.ncl files J on SYS$MANAGER have the create and enable commands for DTSS commented out.  
 John Nebel  G On 26 Jun 2000, Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515 wrote:   l > In article <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD734@berry.mvpsi.com>, John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> writes:- > > Thanks for the summary.  As for this bit:  > > I > >>     Someone suggested that SYS$SYSTEM:DTSS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL.DAT H > >> needed to be deleted, followed by a reboot.  I tried that but find,H > >> even with DTSS supposedly disabled, the file gets recreated at bootH > >> and the timezone logicals are the same, PDT values.  I've turned onJ > >> full logging for the system startup but didn't find anything helpful. > > M > > The DTSS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL.DAT file does get magically recreated when K > > you boot so, to do a DST time change when DTSS is disabled, you have to A > > delete SYS$SYSTEM:DTSS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL.DAT then execute 4 > > UTC$CONFIGURE_TDF.COM.  A reboot isn't required. > J >         Thanks, John, but I did  just  that.   I first deleted the file,J >     then  I  executed  UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM.  Yes,  after  executing  thatJ >     command  file,  SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL  is   correct   (but   notJ >     SYS$TIMEZONE_NAME   nor   SYS$TIMEZONE_DAYLIGHT_SAVING).   But  moreJ >     importantly (to me), upon rebooting the machine, the changes made byH >     UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM have been lost.  ;-p  That's what I'm fighting. >  >         Next idea? >  >             -Ken > --O >  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu < >  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924< >  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515P >  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------D >  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's... >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:06:26 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> 1 Subject: Re: Deleting system files [...]*.*_old;* ) Message-ID: <3958D102.1D761878@bbc.co.uk>   % nickerson@pundit.ds.boeing.com wrote:    > hi,  > B > OpenVMS 7.2-1 on AlphaServer 2100 5/300 with 2.1 Gb system disk;@ > I've just gone through a full update and patch cycle; now thatA > things have calmed down I happened to look at the loading of my C > system disk; it's bad - about 2% free = 90K blocks; this is after 0 > purging and deleting all non open *.log files; > B > so my question is: should I blithely delete [...]*.*_old;* filesF > which I've found in great profusion (200k blocks) on my system disk;> > or is there good reason to hang on to them all - or in part; >XA > any other ideas beyond secondary pagefile and removing sysdump;m   $ dir/siz=all/sel=siz=min=10000y   (10000 is a starting point).  0 Did you reset your accounting log file recently?   >e >o > --bn (Bart Nickerson),  > nickerson@pundit.ds.boeing.com > (206) 662-0183   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uko  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:38:08 GMTa1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>e1 Subject: Re: Deleting system files [...]*.*_old;*t1 Message-ID: <3958E65D.4839259@clarityconnect.com>o  D Also have you done an MCR JBC$COMMAND - DIAG 7 - command recently to reset the queue manager files?     -- vD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:35:00 +0200nC From: Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de> 7 Subject: RE: Found: PC package to make backup of VMS CD > Message-ID: <009EC3B4.30EBD097.1@CHCLU.CHEMIE.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE>  K >I've seen several threads here about burning VMS CD's, but never paid them H >much attention. Recently, I had occasion to make a backup of one. AfterL >trying various well known packages and being disappointed, over the weekendL >I found a shareware PC package that can make a perfect, working backup copyH >of a bootable VMS CD. It's called CD Replicator, and can be found here.  N >http://hotfiles.zdnet.com/cgi-bin/texis/swlib/hotfiles/info.html?fcode=0011OV  K >You put the CD in the burner, it reads it to your hard drive, then you put E >the blank in instead. It does the standard test pass, burns it, thenuL >verifies it. It's not fast but it worked first time for me, and was in factI >the only PC package I found which would even admit there was anything ond >the CD.  1 The same (and free) solution exists for vms, see t  + ftp://v36.chemie.uni-konstanz.de/diskreadero   eberhardO ===============================================================================-   Dr. Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann  Univ. Konstanz Fakultaet fuer Chemiea Universitaets-Strasse 10 D-78464 Konstanz Germanyx. Phone: +49-7531-88-2026, FAX: +49-7531-88-3139* email: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de  O ===============================================================================a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:44:08 +0200u, From: Nigel Barker <nigel.barker@compaq.com> Subject: Re: Hotmail8 Message-ID: <cqtgls0ve0ho94tvtf4c3puv95kcmiqlvo@4ax.com>  G On 23 Jun 2000 17:20:01 GMT, leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) wrote:   > >  http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/web/news/msnw/hotmail.asp  E Interestingly this report from Microsoft is dated over two years ago. I www.netcraft.com also reports that the web servers at www.hotmail.com area! running Apache on top of FreeBSD.-     -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:56:29 GMT % From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@dialupnet.com>u Subject: Re: Hotmail8 Message-ID: <6bchlss4s0qoagile4sia2fg1jpuackcg6@4ax.com>  @ On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:38:19 -0400, Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> wrote:  I >People are used to pathetic performance from a system, and don't have a aJ >problem just adding on more machines. On the one hand, Intel systems are H >cheaper on a bang/buck ratio, but at some point you run into issues of K >scale and raw power. Data distribution too, of course. (I don't even want  L >to think about how much fun Google's got to have passing around a database A >the size a search engine needs amongst thousands of machines...)h  A Heck, I don't want to think about how they go around patching allbE those systems for security holes, etc.  Not to mention upgrading to ap newer version of the OS.1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaq - (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:48:41 +0200o> From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>E Subject: Re: How to create a native VMS command - and a few questions 3 Message-ID: <8j9m82$1nvr$1@s2.feed.news.oleane.net>    >hI > You are also handling your messages exactly the way you should.  If yout wantF > to protect against message facility conflicts you should contact the OpenVMS L > Product Registrar and ask to register a facility.  I know of no way aroundJ > the SET MESSAGE requirement, even Compaq's layered products require that > step.l >e  : Do you have a mail contact to have a facility registered ?   Jean-Franois Marchalx X9000 - LYON   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jun 2000 08:53:28 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) E Subject: Re: How to create a native VMS command - and a few questionsr+ Message-ID: <32UhOwiXwQxt@eisner.decus.org>   [ In article <slg3tfl9jev153@corp.supernews.com>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> writes:t- > Phil Tregoning <ptregoni#esoc.esa.de> wroteLD > in message news:01bfdf96$b1cf3b20$4b53b083@ptregoni.esoc.esa.de...  M > Having the MMS manuals on line would be nice, but MMS is not really part ofl' > OpenVMS, it is an additional product.   B It is mostly the base VMS documentation which has been put online.C Sometimes I think it is a mistake, as people go searching "the net"rA and ignoring that CD-ROM full of documentation that came with they	 software.a  G >> 3. Is there any way of getting message files searched automatically?6 >  > I am not aware of any.  C Perhaps I misunderstand the question.  If you have built your imagevA with a stub message file, so long as it is activated it knows how . to find the real message file in SYS$MESSAGE:.  G >>    But the help doesn't mention anything about passing the number ofn8 >>    FAO directives. Calling it like this doesn't work: >>. >>        lib$signal(FOOWARN, param1, param2);  D Help is not the definitive source of information.  The documentationD is what must be read.  If you find a shortcoming, the first pages ofF each manual give multiple addresses to send comments.  I know somebody2 who works for them, and they do read the comments.  M > For the argument count is used for facility numbers that is greater than 1.uK > I do not know if that is documented other than by implication that SYSTEM?H > condition codes that have facility number of 0 do not have an argumentN > associated with them, and that for RMS conditions codes that have a facilityK > number of 1, have only one argument, which is actually a SYSTEM conditione > code.   J Some System codes have arguments -- those associated with hardware faults. It is on a code-by-code basis.  M > So RMS conditions really do not have any arguments, it is just that you areeM > expected to signal the underlying system status value with it.  And to makeoN > it easier on to debug, you would precede it with a user written message that2 > explained more clearly what you were attempting.  D In some cases that STV _is_ an argument, which gets printed out as aG number rather than a separate line.  As I recall there is a bit encodedcG in the RMS status to trigger this behavior.  Of course you can't reallyt define your own RMS codes :-)e  L > It has been a few years since I coded this type of code, but as I rememberK > it, if you signal multiple conditions with LIB$SIGNAL(), and include userAL > condition codes and system ones, order is important as the SYSTEM one must; > be last so that the PC and PS are passed to it correctly.    You remember correctly.c   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jun 2000 09:00:21 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) E Subject: RE: How to create a native VMS command - and a few questionsh+ Message-ID: <kgowz8R9WvM1@eisner.decus.org>.  j In article <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD736@berry.mvpsi.com>, John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> writes:  ? >>2. Is there any way to get status codes into the help messagea0 >>   library so that this works for my messages: >>
 >>      $ FOO ' >>      %FOO-F-FOOERR, FOO had an error  >>      $ HELP /MESSAGEn >>E >>   At the moment, it only works if you supply the message text like 
 >>   this: >>0 >>      $ HELP /MESSAGE FOOERR, FOO had an error > N > Does this work if you start with a SET MESSAGE?  I believe that HELP/MESSAGEK > takes the value if the DCL symbol $STATUS and calls SYS$GETMSG to get the K > message ident text.  This won't work if you haven't done the SET MESSAGE.A  C I forget where the documentation is for creating HELP/MESSAGE text,0H but I doubt that this is related to SET MESSAGE.  Consider the following example:  % == $ backup login.com/sav tie.tmp/savdC == %BACKUP-F-ONEF11DEV, both input and output must not be save setsc == $ show symbol $status ==   $STATUS == "%X10A380A4" == $ exit %x00A380A4+ == %BACKUP-F-NOMSG, Message number 00A380A4  == $ help/messagee == r == t; ==  ONEF11DEV,  both input and output must not be save setso == i) ==   Facility:     BACKUP, Backup Utility  ==  P ==   Explanation:  When the BACKUP command was executed, you specified that bothP ==                 input and output files reference a save set. Either the inputN ==                 or the output specification, not both, can reference a save ==                 set.o == h3 ==   User Action:  Correct and reenter the command.o   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jun 2000 09:01:56 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) E Subject: Re: How to create a native VMS command - and a few questionsn+ Message-ID: <$HPq6wqwSP4E@eisner.decus.org>i  t In article <8j9m82$1nvr$1@s2.feed.news.oleane.net>, "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> writes: >>J >> You are also handling your messages exactly the way you should.  If you > wantG >> to protect against message facility conflicts you should contact theX	 > OpenVMSoM >> Product Registrar and ask to register a facility.  I know of no way aroundlK >> the SET MESSAGE requirement, even Compaq's layered products require thatg >> step. >> > < > Do you have a mail contact to have a facility registered ?  D The address for sending your letter is at the beginning of (at least8 the older) copies of the Developer's Guide to VMSINSTAL.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:19:43 -0500 ) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>cE Subject: Re: How to create a native VMS command - and a few questions'7 Message-ID: <02ab01bfe03a$5caf2390$020a0a0a@xile.realm>   : Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote:  D > It is mostly the base VMS documentation which has been put online.E > Sometimes I think it is a mistake, as people go searching "the net"0C > and ignoring that CD-ROM full of documentation that came with the1 > software.5  L With the Internet Link I have here, I am guilty of doing that sometimes. :-)  L However I can still read a printed copy much faster than any online version.J Particularly if I can not guess the keywords that are needed to isolate it from a electronic search.     1 > In article <slg3tfl9jev153@corp.supernews.com>, / "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes: / > > Phil Tregoning <ptregoni#esoc.esa.de> wrote'F > > in message news:01bfdf96$b1cf3b20$4b53b083@ptregoni.esoc.esa.de...  I > >> 3. Is there any way of getting message files searched automatically?n > >w > > I am not aware of any. >sE > Perhaps I misunderstand the question.  If you have built your image C > with a stub message file, so long as it is activated it knows hows0 > to find the real message file in SYS$MESSAGE:.  E The issue is from looking up the message from DCL after the image has-5 exited, or from analyzing the result from accounting.g  K Where I am at, I have IMAGE accounting on, and command procedures that read5I it and filter out the noise.  It finds things that otherwise would not be" noticed.  L To translate the status value from Accounting back requires searching all of the message files from DCL.c  I > >>    But the help doesn't mention anything about passing the number ofC: > >>    FAO directives. Calling it like this doesn't work: > >>0 > >>        lib$signal(FOOWARN, param1, param2); >uF > Help is not the definitive source of information.  The documentationF > is what must be read.  If you find a shortcoming, the first pages ofH > each manual give multiple addresses to send comments.  I know somebody4 > who works for them, and they do read the comments. > L > > For the argument count is used for facility numbers that is greater than 1.F > > I do not know if that is documented other than by implication that SYSTEMJ > > condition codes that have facility number of 0 do not have an argumentG > > associated with them, and that for RMS conditions codes that have a  facilityC > > number of 1, have only one argument, which is actually a SYSTEM0	 condition0	 > > code.  >mL > Some System codes have arguments -- those associated with hardware faults.  > It is on a code-by-code basis.  H I thought that there were some exceptions, I remember seeing them in theK Chinese Red Wall and the Grey Wall, but could not find them in my search ofe the online documentation.r  H It is important that those writing their own exit and exception handlersH resignal conditions that they do not understand, and not change them.  IK have one software product that is a bit brain dead in that way.  It uses anDG error handler to print the message to a log file, but then destroys the6G condition stack and exits the program with a code of 4, so the detailed8 information is lost.  K > > So RMS conditions really do not have any arguments, it is just that you  areoJ > > expected to signal the underlying system status value with it.  And to makeK > > it easier on to debug, you would precede it with a user written messageb that4 > > explained more clearly what you were attempting. >sF > In some cases that STV _is_ an argument, which gets printed out as aI > number rather than a separate line.  As I recall there is a bit encodediI > in the RMS status to trigger this behavior.  Of course you can't reallys > define your own RMS codes :-)   I I can see how RMS is doing this, it is just treating the next signal down J the chain as the argument for the message.  The actual STV also appears to be signaled in a normal manor.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jun 2000 11:05:47 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)UE Subject: Re: How to create a native VMS command - and a few questionsE+ Message-ID: <qaIOhCVeaQ$n@eisner.decus.org>   c In article <02ab01bfe03a$5caf2390$020a0a0a@xile.realm>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> writes: < > Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote:  G >> In some cases that STV _is_ an argument, which gets printed out as aiJ >> number rather than a separate line.  As I recall there is a bit encodedJ >> in the RMS status to trigger this behavior.  Of course you can't really  >> define your own RMS codes :-) > K > I can see how RMS is doing this, it is just treating the next signal down-L > the chain as the argument for the message.  The actual STV also appears to  > be signaled in a normal manor.  A There must be some RMS-specific code in $GETMSG, though, since it2A knows that certain codes have one FAO argument (and others don't)c# without an argument count longword.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:34:54 -0400o# From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com>iE Subject: RE: How to create a native VMS command - and a few questionssD Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD737@berry.mvpsi.com>  . When all else fails, I read the documentation!  F The /SECTION= qualifier can be used with HELP/MESSAGE to specify whichF message files to load.  The default is /SECTION=* and the default fileI specification is SYS$MESSAGE:.EXE so if you simply copy a message file toeH SYS$MESSAGE:, HELP/MESSAGE should be able to translate it's messages and return the correct help text.  l   > -----Original Message-----) > From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospamg, > [mailto:Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam]' > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 10:00 AMo > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComiG > Subject: RE: How to create a native VMS command - and a few questionso >  > 
 > In article 1< > <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD736@berry.mvpsi.com>, ' > John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> writes:r > A > >>2. Is there any way to get status codes into the help message.2 > >>   library so that this works for my messages: > >> > >>      $ FOO ) > >>      %FOO-F-FOOERR, FOO had an error- > >>      $ HELP /MESSAGE  > >>G > >>   At the moment, it only works if you supply the message text likej > >>   this: > >>2 > >>      $ HELP /MESSAGE FOOERR, FOO had an error > > ? > > Does this work if you start with a SET MESSAGE?  I believe I > that HELP/MESSAGEl8 > > takes the value if the DCL symbol $STATUS and calls  > SYS$GETMSG to get thee= > > message ident text.  This won't work if you haven't done 	 > the SET MESSAGE. > E > I forget where the documentation is for creating HELP/MESSAGE text,m= > but I doubt that this is related to SET MESSAGE.  Consider , > the following5
 > example: > ' > == $ backup login.com/sav tie.tmp/savhE > == %BACKUP-F-ONEF11DEV, both input and output must not be save setsf > == $ show symbol $status > ==   $STATUS == "%X10A380A4" > == $ exit %x00A380A4- > == %BACKUP-F-NOMSG, Message number 00A380A4  > == $ help/message  > == t > == .= > ==  ONEF11DEV,  both input and output must not be save setsn > == u+ > ==   Facility:     BACKUP, Backup Utility  > == e? > ==   Explanation:  When the BACKUP command was executed, you , > specified that botho= > ==                 input and output files reference a save d > set. Either the inputs@ > ==                 or the output specification, not both, can  > reference a save > ==                 set.o > ==  5 > ==   User Action:  Correct and reenter the command.e >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:12:42 +0200  From: "Wim" <wim@wanadoo.nl>, Subject: how to forward vax-email to smtp???* Message-ID: <8j9gl6$p60$1@news1.xs4all.nl>  L What is the correct syntax to forward mail to an internet email adress using tcpware?     mail> set forwL _Address: smtp%"user@domain.com"  does not work I think you have to use 3 or 4 quotes but I'm not sure. Any help would be appreciated.   Wim    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:38:27 -0300+1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>n0 Subject: RE: how to forward vax-email to smtp???K Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A33350D@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>-  
 we just use 3-  $ SMTP%"""BOYLEDJ@BANKOFBERMUDA.COM"""   - Darren   > ----------! > From: 	Wim[SMTP:wim@wanadoo.nl]:' > Sent: 	Tuesday, June 27, 2000 3:12 AM4 > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com/ > Subject: 	how to forward vax-email to smtp???J >  > H > What is the correct syntax to forward mail to an internet email adress > usingn
 > tcpware? >  >  > mail> set forwK > _Address: smtp%"user@domain.com"  does not work I think you have to use 3r > or > 4 quotes but I'm not sure.  > Any help would be appreciated. >  > Wima >  >  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andjJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyPL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying  of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudaoF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:23:59 +0200h2 From: "Frits A.M. Storms" <frits@storms.tmfweb.nl>B Subject: How to stop TYPE/PAGE=SAVE resetting the scrolling region* Message-ID: <8jaddk$hih$1@cyan.nl.gxn.net>   OpenVMS version is V7.1-2. I'd like to display a file with TYPE/PAGE=SAVE after setting a scrolling region (above which the list-headers were displayed). When  logging such a session I noticed TYPE/PAGE=SAVE setting the scrolling region to the screenmaximum. Is there a way to stop this froma happening ?o  
 much obliged,  Frits Storms   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:56:05 GMTh( From: Alan <campbela_691021@my-deja.com>B Subject: ideas for accessing common data between multiple clusters) Message-ID: <8jaf9r$chi$1@nnrp1.deja.com>d  D We have 2 Alpha clusters (may be increased to 3 in the near future).E Cluster 1 consists of 4 nodes which run a number of warehouse systemshC (in house).  These warehouse systems share some data by accessing aiG directory that has been made available to them all.  Cluster 2 consists-E of 2 nodes (one is used for H.A.) and a single warehouse system whichcF also needs access to the global area shared by all the other warehouseF system.  We have achieved this accessing the shared area and its files  across DECNET, which works fine.  @ The reason that we have a single warehouse on its own cluster is= because this warehouse needs 'up' a lot longer than the othernC warehouses on cluster 1.  However taking down cluster 1 still meanseE that we can not get access to this shared data.  Does anyone have anypH ideas how we can limit the downtime on cluster 2 when cluster 1 is down.  D One thing that occured to me was somehow using shadowing (dont quiteF know the ins and outs of it) to create a temporary working copy of theG data while cluster 1 was unavailable, and getting it to 'catch-up' whennG the cluster was available.  We currently use disk shadowing for backup. E We shutdown the warehouse systems, split the shadow sets and start-upi< the warehouse systems again (takes about 2 minutes).so takin   Any ideas ?    Thanks   Alan ---S
 Alan Campbell> alanc@mullen.demon.co.uk    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:38:40 -0700 % From: "Nick Ulrich" <nuit@micron.net>iK Subject: Re: Installing OpenVMS on VAX 3100 30/40: System Password problemso2 Message-ID: <lO565.124$TI.55583@news01.micron.net>  F That was it, I had to change the VT320 console terminal set-up (in theI General set-up area) to no new line and the problem was fixed.  Thank youf for your time and thoughts.r  G After fixing that problem I was able to finish the install and take thetK MicroVAX home.  I am now having the trouble booting up.  I am not getting aeK >>> prompt at boot up time.  This is a different VT320 Terminal monitor buthJ everything seems to be correct in the set-up.  I also tried to do a serialL connect from the MicroVax 3100-40 to my PC's comm 1 port but I still have noH prompt (>>>).  I am working on this issue now.  Any good URL's on SerialK connections, VT320 Terminal setup help, and wiring diagrams for the cables?d   Nick Ulrichu nuit.nospam@micron.net      B "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message' news:394C0F1B.43ACB6AF@earthlink.net...l > Nick Ulrich wrote: > [snip]8 > >  When I type the password in I am getting the error: > >g1 > >     %UAF-E-PWDSYNTAX, invalid password syntax ? > >     %VMS-I-PWD_SET, primary password for account SYSTEM sett > >rD > >     New password not secure. Please select a different password. >-F > I'm guessing here, but may take is that the underlying proceedure isJ > simply sensitive to the failure of AUTHORIZE to change the password, nad# > perhaps not the exact error code.y >m# > > The passwords I have tried are:E > >     asdfghjkls > >     q1w2e3r4 > >     qsxcftht > >cB > > But I am getting the same error every time... Any suggestions? >-A > In my experience, this can come from an invalid line terminatoroB > character. I'd be curious to know what you're using as a consoleE > terminal. Whatever it is, make sure that the RETURN (or main keypadsI > ENTER) key is sending a <CR> (ASCII 13, %X0D) and not a <LF> (ASCII 10,mH > %X0A) or <LF><CR> or <CR><LF> pair. I've found this to produce results  > ranging from annoying to dire. >> > -- > David J. Dachterak > dba DJE Systems $ > http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/ >,< > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:- > http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/vms/soho/  >t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:35:29 GMT ) From: Dan <danking_please-nospam@gte.net>T( Subject: Re: Logging off users remotely?& Message-ID: <39585942.2BBDE21@gte.net>   Mat Riain wrote: > 0 > How do I log off other users from my terminal?    : I think the most system-manager friendly way to do this is with Peek & Spy.  B It lets you first view whats on a user's screen, then you can take? over keyboard control and close any edits or exit any programs o9 being run which might be sensitive to just being stopped.o  : You can do this with a wildcard command to look at all (or= selected) users on the system and (rapidly) log them out one G@ at a time.  Its frequently faster than STOP/ID (typing in those > hex process ids is fairly unfriendly) and it gives you a much # better idea of whats been going on.t  ; See our website for more info or to download a free demo...e  # 	http://www.networkingdynamics.com/    -- i" Dan Kingsbury                      Networking Dynamics Corporation # System Management Tools for OpenVMSn   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:57:03 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aud- Subject: Re: Mitnick (was Re: Fun VMS Facts?)75 Message-ID: <01JR3YKNIGK20014XL@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>o   Ed Wilts wrote:l >Dave Weatherall wrote:w >> r9 >> On Sun, 24 Jun 3900 11:23:35, Dan <dan@vrx.net> wrote:D >> P >> SI >> > One thing that always bugged me about VMS security is that for a COM>C >> > (DCL) program, in order to run it the user normally needed the>K >> > READ privilege, which means they could copy it or type it out, or some N >> > such, which I never wanted them to do, even doing tricky bits like makingI >> > the directory Execute only for the users (a very nice trick indeed!)o4 >> > doesn't help if they know the name of the file. >> >K >> > Unless this has changed and can be run with just execute set for a DCLn >> > (COM) program.t >> iI >> I seem to remember having a problem with _nested_ COMs. The main couldl? >> be W:E and all would be OK until it did an @OTHER_PROC call. H >> OTHER_PROC.COM needed READ access. This was 5.n.n. I've never checkedH >> it lately (we're 6.2 now) 'cos I've still got one user site on 5.5.n. >vC >I remember a time when you needed READ access to SUBMIT the job to3E >batch.  I haven't tested this lately to see if it's still the case. .F >Given that batch jobs verify by default, this makes sense, although II >would have thought that it should not be that hard to simply turn verify C >off, but then I don't know all the implications involved - perhapseE >Engineering considered this and determined that this breaks too manyi >other things.  I I am not sure about either of these comments, i.e. I cannot remember any aI problems in recent years (VMS 6.n and onwards, at least), particularly I eM remember none relating to nested .COM files  -- not to say that they may not 3N have been there.  (Bl**dy messy paragraph, but can't think of a better intro.)  Q What I have encountered is that both .EXE and .COM files need W:RE protection to 3P be run over the network.  I encountered this when our development team produced K bug fixes on our cluster and wanted a particular production member of that i/ cluster to accept our code changes on his data.    Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,i
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australia    Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,o; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.o   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jun 2000 15:49:11 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>h- Subject: Re: Mitnick (was Re: Fun VMS Facts?)eH Message-ID: <y4hfafcjzc.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ' paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au writes:   O > What I have encountered is that both .EXE and .COM files need W:RE protectioni > to be run over the network.e  M When you run them locally, privileged code (DCL or $IMGSTA) actually open theeM file, and can get at the contents although they only have E access. If you're I executing over the network, the FAL listener at the other end does a veryeE normal user-mode access and thus requires R to read the file for you.o   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:12:56 GMTt% From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@dialupnet.com>04 Subject: Re: Monitoring Tool for CIS app on Open VMS8 Message-ID: <bbdhlsc6oqo78m0n1al83f7hfosur0tpve@4ax.com>  ? On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:56:27 GMT, "KBHR" <KBHR@nx57.com> wrote:   K >Has anyone tried to monitor a CIS app on an Open VMS?  Tool considerationstH >are Compuware's EcoTOOLS, BMS's Patrol, and CAUnicenter's version.  Has4 >anyone used any of these tools to monitor Open VMS? >t >Thankss >e  @ We have many customers using these to monitor and manage OpenVMS# systems.  What do you need to know?m1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaqt- (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)n   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Jun 2000 14:21:32 GMT0 From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz); Subject: Re: My experience with Charon-VAX Hobbyist Editions5 Message-ID: <8jad9c$306$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>a  9 In article <7Zs55.215166$701.2848627@news4.giganews.com>,R2 Timothy Stark  <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org> wrote:3 : Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:dK : > How are you trying to do it now?  From what kind of computer and OS are,K : > you transmitting them, using what software, on what kind of connection?c : L : I am using C-Kermit 7.0-197 on RedHat Linux 6.1 on Intel-based PC.  Yes, IG : tried to transmit it from my shell account into my VAX system via DSLeE : line.  Also, I used telnet command on C-Kermit to connect to my VAXi4 : system (Charon-VAX) through Windows 98SE's TCP/IP. : D I don't understand where Windows 98 fits into the picture.  Send the? particulars (exactly what commands did you use on both ends) to 3 kermit-support@columbia.edu and we'll help you out.a   - Frank-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:52:03 -0300l1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>j# Subject: Needed, New Search CommandoK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A33350E@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>    Hi,c  A 	Just thought I'd ask before I re-invent the wheel.  I need a newbG search command (COM or EXE) that will search down a tree of files.  I'mpI running V7.1 and want a procedure that can search a file for a string ANDdG for an "@" sign, upon finding an "@" I then want the search to continuea# through this file and any below it.    Example.  - $  SEARCH   MY_COMMAND_FILE.COM   THIS_STRING   7 Where MY_COMMAND_FILE makes call to other command filesi   $  show time
 $  @ next_job  $  @and_another_jobh    AND_ANOTHER_JOB.COM  contains... $  show time $  this_string  ==  $statusa  K I hope that makes sense, probably not, but, what I want the search to do isgK look through MY_COMMAND_FILE for THIS_STRING, upon not finding it it startstC to search the other command files being called and eventually finds-+ THIS_STRING in the file AND_ANOTHER_JOB.COMo  K If anyone knows of a procedure to do this It would be very much appreciated  before I have to write it. Thanks,g DarrenL ----------------------------------------------------------------------------B ------------------------------------------------------------------; Darren James Boyle,              Telephone : (441) 299-6425  Lead Analyst Programmer,: ISD VMS Technical Services,  Fax          : (441) 299-6502 Bank of BermudaeJ Par-la-Ville Branch,                EMail      : BoyleDJ@BankofBermuda.com Hamilton Bermuda.nL ----------------------------------------------------------------------------B ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 07:01:34 -0400 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>m@ Subject: RE: Northern Light vs. Google (and the winner is . . .)J Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D80528448B@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   mmm.. really mind boggling r  L >>> With 10,000 servers expected to be installed by the end of the year..<<<  ( - 10,000 servers - how are backups done?9 - 10,000 servers - how are OS upgrades and patches done ? J - 10,000 servers - interesting security, data integrity (virus checking ?)
 challengesE - 10,000 servers - but does not want expensive proprietary servers? I K suspect NorthernLight and AltaVista may use less than 50-100 each. Would beeJ interesting math question when one considers expensive computer room space
 A/C etc ..I - 10,000 servers - likely all in one datacenter ? What if datacenter gets'' taken out by fire? What is DR solution?gG - 10,000 servers - interesting financial challenges ie. depreciation byoH finance depts. is usually done over three year period, but this presents some interesting challenges .. .L - 10,000 servers - what is their upgrade plan to new systems 12-18-24 months	 from now?t   To each his own ..   :-)s   Regards,    
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant,
 Compaq Canada% Professional Services  Voice : 613-592-4660 FAX   : 819-772-7036 Email : kerry.main@compaq.como       -----Original Message-----, From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@foo.mv.com]$ Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 11:43 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comm@ Subject: Re: Northern Light vs. Google (and the winner is . . .)      5 Rob Young <young_r@eisner.decus.org> wrote in message % news:VZkzGzloNz$H@eisner.decus.org...    ...s    > Follow and read this overview: >c > L http://www.intel.com/ebusiness/estrategies/casestudies/snapshots/google_p.ht mr >eD > They have many clusters, each apparently duplicated.  Each cluster> > contains partitioned data.  The 1000 chickens versus 64 oxen0 > are winning.  But more about this in a bit :-)  K Not bad.  Kind of surprises me that each uniprocessor Linux system can onlyiJ handle 22 - 40 GB of data (with 256 MB - 1 GB of RAM), but it sounds as ifL they're limited by the choice of 100 Mbit Ethernet as the interconnect - andJ the cost of anything faster (plus the multi-PCI, perhaps SMP system neededL to make good use of it) may be enough higher than a vanilla commodity system to discourage that route.j  H With the newer IDE disks supporting disconnectable operation (and GoogleI already willing to write software, so they could write the IDE drivers to"D support this), it becomes even more attractive from the storage costL viewpoint - and it sounds as if the cost of the IDE drives alone constitutesB close to 50% of the cost of each box.  Given this partitionable anG application, it's almost impossible to compete on purchase price with a K larger centralized box using SCSI drives (leaving aside the question of whyrK IDE drives are so much less expensive); given that it's not a life-criticalIG application, the fact that the hardware is less self-checking and might H return brief garbage on the occasional failure isn't that important (andD Linux is pretty stable on the OS end); given the box standardizationJ throughout the structure, sounds as if any failure results in an immediate2 box-swap, and can then be trouble-shot at leisure.  G So the only obvious large-box argument would be the spaghetti of cables K linking the boxes.  Telcos lived with that problem for a very long time, soe Google may be able to as well.   - bill   >n > Robd >l   ------------------------------  , Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:43:07 +0107 (CEST)/ From: Tomasz Dryjanski <tdryjanski@hotmail.com>*1 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Alpha C programming question-4 Message-ID: <20000627074307.35442.qmail@hotmail.com>   >(...)L >it works like you have described.  However, if I replace "junk <<= 63" withJ >"junk = 1 << 63", it does not work properly where I thought it should be  >the >equivalent. >(...) >-Matt >   J I have just tried it. It looks like '1' is treated by default as a 32-bit  signed int:e   junk = 1 << 31 gives junk = ffffffff80000000i junk = -2147483648   junk =1 << 32 giveso   tmp.c: In function `main':3 tmp.c:9: warning: left shift count >= width of type . link  tmp.obj  ,gnu_cc_library:libgcc.olb/lib " ,sys$library:vaxcrtl.olb/lib,gnu_c c_library:crt0.obj /exe=tmp.exe< junk = 1 junk = 1   HTH> Tomasz DryjanskiH ________________________________________________________________________H Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Jun 2000 15:27:20 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: oracle "success story"s, Message-ID: <8jah4o$f5r@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  K I just went to www.openvms.digital.com and clicked on the "success stories"gH link.  After it paused for a long time it tossed up an "success stories"7 page featuring this message prominently in the middle: a  
      error  1      Oracle Error on environment initialization: f9      48: ORA-12203: TNS:unable to connect to destination w;      Use your browser's back button to make corrections andt      resubmit the form.s      Uh, _what_ form would that be?    E Yet another shining example of Compaq's NONstart e-business paradigm!e  : (The link didn't work from www.openvms.compaq.com either.)   Sigh,e   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edut? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech tJ **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:12:46 +0000k$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk Subject: OT - new grandson/ Message-ID: <0025690B.003832ED.00@quegw01.btyp>    cc:a bcc:= Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza-   OT - new grandson   	 Dear all,0  M Just to brighten up the day, I have just received the news that a grandson isn being delivered as I type!  I To say the least, even at my tender (!) years - not yet 40 - it's a great>M feeling, and I just wanted to share with those who know me, even if it's onlye, through the media of email and newsgroups...   :-Di   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pagese     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beL confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has beenP addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce, distribute or use this transmission.  L Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee is notH intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have received thisF transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.  
 Thank you.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:35:33 +0100y$ From: Andy Burns <andy@burns.uk.net> Subject: Re: OT - new grandson8 Message-ID: <79tgls85v0rifm05kg6ajsac4u0o60kq5j@4ax.com>  % Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:o    N >Just to brighten up the day, I have just received the news that a grandson is >being delivered as I type!t   congratulations !   = p.s. does yellow pages still use textel relay with all-in-1 ?. --  
 Andy Burns   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:15:20 -0400i# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>n Subject: Re: OT - new grandson+ Message-ID: <3958A8E8.256AF4D4@hsc.vcu.edu>o  $ Hey, congrats!!!!  Glad to hear it..  % Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:  >  > cc:  > bcc:? > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazax >  > OT - new grandsonr >  > Dear all,e > O > Just to brighten up the day, I have just received the news that a grandson ise > being delivered as I type! > K > To say the least, even at my tender (!) years - not yet 40 - it's a greatXO > feeling, and I just wanted to share with those who know me, even if it's onlyt. > through the media of email and newsgroups... >  > :-D> >  > Steve Spires > VMS System Manager > BT/Yellow Pagesm >  > [Information] -- PostMaster:F > This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beN > confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has beenR > addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce, distribute or > use this transmission. > N > Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee is notJ > intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have received thisH > transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message. >  > Thank you.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:51:42 GMT # From: Tom Dockray <dockray@acm.org>s Subject: OVMS 7.2 updatesp8 Message-ID: <fkfhls885kpjgggncf6rc85nked59lm102@4ax.com>  B I am running OVMS 7.2 on a MV3100 under the hobbiest license. JustD wondering if it is advisable to apply the updates I stumbled upon onF the Compaq site. Does anybody have any experiences with this that they would like to share?   --   Tom Dockrays Dockray Consulting 610-356-0624 dockray@acm.org    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:31:34 GMT 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>n Subject: Re: OVMS 7.2 updates-2 Message-ID: <3958E4D2.186FF5BF@clarityconnect.com>  D Please check the install ratings of the patches and for any that areH rated a 1 it would be a good idea to apply them.  For those rated 2 or 3F check the listed problems and if you have hit any of them or you thinkD it likely that you might hit them then apply the patch.  OpenVMS VAXE V7.2 does not have a lot of patches at the present time.  Here is theO list as best as I can find  B      +-----------------------------------------------------------+B      | ECO KITS To Be Applied to OpenVMS VAX V7.2                |B      +-----------------------------------------------------------+B      | ACMSDIA_V7101031                                          |F      | ACMSE02042  (Supersedes ACMSE01042)                       |    B      | ADAVE02035  (Supersedes ADAVE01035)                       |B      | CMSVE01040                                                |D      | DFGE01025                                                 |  B      | FORMSVVME0422 (Supersedes FORMSVVME0322, FORMSVVME0222,   |B      |                           FORMSVVME0122)                  |B      | RTRVVME014D                                               |D      | RTRVVME04032  (Supersedes RTRVVME01032)                   |  B      | VAXACRT01_072                                             |B      | VAXBACK01_072 (Does not supersede any other kit.)         |C      | *VAXF11X01_072                                             |oB      | VAXLIBR01_072                                             |B      | *VAXSYS01_072  (Does not supersede any other kit.)        |C      | *VAXUPDATE01_072 (Supersedes VAXDRIV01_072, VAXPTHR01_072) |.B      | VAXODS1_01_072 (includes VAXF11X01_072 and VAXBACK01_072) |B      +-----------------------------------------------------------+. Patches with an * have an install rating of 1.   Tom Dockray wrote: > D > I am running OVMS 7.2 on a MV3100 under the hobbiest license. JustF > wondering if it is advisable to apply the updates I stumbled upon onH > the Compaq site. Does anybody have any experiences with this that they > would like to share? >  > --
 > Tom Dockrayc > Dockray Consulting > 610-356-0624 > dockray@acm.orgo   -- gD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:44:54 +0200s- From: "Yulian Memolis" <yulian_m@percite.com>z Subject: Re: print que problems 0 Message-ID: <8ja7id$qmu$1@news.netvision.net.il>  I I would just like to thank those of you out there who took the trouble toi respond to my query.L What i have done for now to try to solve the problem, is to assign the print queues to the LATSYM> symbiont (versus the default PRTSMB), and hope this will help.  6 Yulian Memolis <yulian_m@percite.com> wrote in message* news:8j70oc$hea$1@news.netvision.net.il...I > Hello, i am running OpenVMS7.1 on an Alpha System, and i have a problemS with > print queuesL > that even Digital / Compaq support can't solve, so maybe someone out thereL > has encountered a similar problem (and found a solution). The situation isD > this: several printers (standard) are spooled and connected to the computerJ > through a standard terminal server; Regular data processing applicationsJ > send printouts to the print queues. There is nothing out of the ordinary inJ > the system startup procedures, and there is no explicit STOP/QUE commandL > anywhere in the system. Yet, from time to time, as a daily event even, andH > in different printers, they enter a STOPPED queue status. I would very muchI > to know if anyone knows what can cause a print que to be stopped (othery than > an explicit command).  >? > Thank you. >e' > Please reply to: yulian_m@percite.com  >i >  >  >a   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 07:58:59 GMT, From: teroconnor@my-deja.com Subject: Print share for LG01s) Message-ID: <8j9mru$r3k$1@nnrp1.deja.com>-  G I have a DEC LG01 line printer on an Alpha server set up as the "systemnA printer" - SYS$PRINT. A user wants to access this printer throughtA a "Pathworks print share" from a PC. I have set up a "printshare"a@ called SYS$PRINT. However from the client PC when the user triesD to "add a printer" / the list of printers for the manufacturer "DEC"? does not have an entry for an LG01 - or LG31 or any of the linerD printers. Should I be using some other driver or where can I get the correct driver ? Thanks,d Tero      & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy..   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Jun 2000 11:56:25 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: print to file6 Message-ID: <8ivj99$d4i$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  g In article <3952BF10.E90935B9@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:l :Bob Ricci wrote:o :> s- :> can anyone show me how to print to a file?c :m> :For what it may be worth, given the terseness of the query...  G   I've encouraged the original poster to continue the discussion here, rF   as (from some off-line mail) there are a number of other aspects to G   the question and to the current environment that will be involved in mD   obtaining an appropriate answer.  Based on the off-line email, my K   original print-to-file print symbiont suggestion does not (unfortunately).E   appear to address the problem in this particular environment -- thesI   resolution looks to involve remote printer configuration, or some sort cH   of PC file transfer switches, or via installation and configuration of   SMB or NFS disk services.R  M --------------------------- pure personal opinion --------------------------- L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 07:06:31 -0400 ) From: Bob Ricci <maxx0623@concentric.net>  Subject: Re: print to file< Message-ID: <00b101bfe027$bff39020$585b5cc0@socrates.Subway>  K Can anyone help me print to a file- I will be more specific !We really wantlH to email a .rpt  file from open alpha vms 6.1 to a pc but when you go toK print it, it seems to wrap around. The consensus here is if I could somehow-: issue a print statement with an output qualifier such as aG dir/output=file.rpt it can then be played with , sent to a pc and print-G correctly. In other words the print command puts the correct escape andeK control characters necessary to format and print this file on vms. We would-? like to get this report out to the field as easily as possible.  -----Original Message-----2 From: Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam>1 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com> $ Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 5:57 AM Subject: Re: print to file     >-B >In article <3952BF10.E90935B9@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera"% <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:q >:Bob Ricci wrote: >:>h. >:> can anyone show me how to print to a file? >:? >:For what it may be worth, given the terseness of the query.... >>G >  I've encouraged the original poster to continue the discussion here,eF >  as (from some off-line mail) there are a number of other aspects toG >  the question and to the current environment that will be involved in D >  obtaining an appropriate answer.  Based on the off-line email, myL >  original print-to-file print symbiont suggestion does not (unfortunately)F >  appear to address the problem in this particular environment -- theI >  resolution looks to involve remote printer configuration, or some sortuI >  of PC file transfer switches, or via installation and configuration of  >  SMB or NFS disk services. > * >--------------------------- pure personal# opinion ---------------------------l0 >   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >, >t >i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 07:56:38 -0500e) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>t Subject: Re: print to file7 Message-ID: <029701bfe037$2537f2f0$020a0a0a@xile.realm>u  - Bob Ricci <maxx0623@concentric.network> wroteo  ? > Can anyone help me print to a file- I will be more specific !.  > > We really want to email a .rpt  file from open alpha vms 6.1? > to a pc but when you go to print it, it seems to wrap around.o   How is the report generated?  ' How is the report printed from OpenVMS?i  H Specifically, does the application that (presumably can not be modified)L generate a file and then prints it, or does it send the output directly to a printer device?w  L Precisely what commands are you using to get transfer the file to the PC and have the PC print it?,  , What TCPIP program are you using on OpenVMS?    J The information is needed to determine where the output is getting wrapped arround.  J Printing through an NT server/workstation can be a bit problematic, but itI can be done if you are willing to live with the restriction that you must,! only send one file per print job.e  > You must set the NT receiving print queue to be of a RAW type.K Unfortunately experiments have shown that Windows NT has a interesting viewmH of what RAW is.  For some printer types even when you have set the printK queue to "RAW", it still always sends out an initialization sequence to theb printer to mangle your output.  E Typically what NT does is move the margins so that the printout wrapsp, around.  Just the problem you are reporting.    J Because NT does this, any print out sent to the printer that does not wantI the same characteristics, as in your report, must be preceded in the sameoI print job with an initialization sequence to set the printer back to whatw you want it to be.  F You can not just reset the printer to power up defaults.  The NT printK driver changes the power up defaults for the printer.  So you must identifyt4 every setting that is wrong and compensate for them.  J In this case it does not matter if you are printing through NT or printingE directly to a printer that NT also has direct access to.  NT may havea7 changed the printer to not print your report correctly.r    I In OpenVMS as explained in the section below your other comments, this iso$ fixed with a Device Control Library.    G Now on OpenVMS, using the LPR method of sending a print job has anotherp+ problem.  You have a choice of TEXT or RAW.b  E When I last tested this: UCX 4.1 ECO 4?, the TEXT setting removed all-J control characters from the file that was sent to the LPD program on NT orF the PRINTER.  This included control characters from the device controlL library, However as long as the print job could take the NT settings for the printout, the job looked fine.  L To get the settings in a device control library to work, you need to specifyK that the print queue is of the RAW type.  Then, I got the surprise that UCX G things that RAW means not to send any Carriage Return characters to thei- printer, so that the output is stair-stepped.=  J The only way I found to fix that is to have the VMS device control libraryF send a sequence to the printer that told it to assume that a LINE-FEEDF character should be interpreted as a Carriage-Return / LINE-FEED pair.    8 > The consensus here is if I could somehow issue a print. > statement with an output qualifier such as a? > dir/output=file.rpt it can then be played with , sent to a pci< > and print correctly. In other words the print command puts8 > the correct escape and control characters necessary to$ > format and print this file on vms.  J The print command does this (if needed) by pulling modules out of a deviceJ control library and sending them to the printer either at the beginning of' the file or the beginning of each page.r  I To understand exactly what the print command is doing for you, we need totK know exacly the PRINT command used, and then we also need to know the printn queue characteristics.   So we need the line:   PRINT/?/? mumble.rpt   And the results from:U   $show symbol print  L If a queue is specified either by the print command issued, or by the symbolH 'print' then substitute it for <queue_name> below, otherwise the default print queue is named SYS$PRINT.n    $SHOW QUEUE/DEV/ALL <queue_name>  K If either the print command or the queue definition has a /FORM on it, thenq: we need the results of the SHOW QUEUE/FORM/ALL <form_name>  L We would also need to know the models of the printers involved, and if these% reports are plain text or PostScript.   = > We would like to get this report out to the field as easily* > as possible.  J Once all of the information is known, this should not be a hard problem to solve.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network  I > >  I've encouraged the original poster to continue the discussion here,0H > >  as (from some off-line mail) there are a number of other aspects toI > >  the question and to the current environment that will be involved innF > >  obtaining an appropriate answer.  Based on the off-line email, my> > >  original print-to-file print symbiont suggestion does not (unfortunately)-H > >  appear to address the problem in this particular environment -- theK > >  resolution looks to involve remote printer configuration, or some sort K > >  of PC file transfer switches, or via installation and configuration ofM > >  SMB or NFS disk services. > > , > >--------------------------- pure personal# opinion ---------------------------e2 > >   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering > hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 01:45:17 +1200s6 From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nospam.met.co.nz>* Subject: Re: set display to PC over modem?2 Message-ID: <Pd265.24193$N4.942962@ozemail.com.au>  9 Powerterm is the way to go. (I am assuming that you don'tn want graphics?)-   I think it is free as well.   1 You will find it on your pathworks 7.0, 7.0a, 7.1n cd.r  A Select express install, and you have a telnet window and the keysfA on your pc keyboard behave just about exactly as they would on ano= excursion window. Cutting and pasting with the mouse can be ae1 little tricky until you've gotten the hang of it.e  
 Cheers Antonyi  # ps It goes great on my 28.8k modem.u    7 "Phillip Helbig" <helbig@astro.rug.nl> wrote in message-( news:8j3150$k13$1@info.service.rug.nl...E > In a pinch, I have to log into a VMS machine from a PC over a modemRG > connection.  Is there anyway to use SET DISPLAY so that something can,G > display at the screen I'm then sitting at?  What about using an LKxxx  > from a PC---any chance?t >:   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:25:42 +0200d, From: "Jean-Luc RAYON" <jl.rayon@wanadoo.fr>? Subject: Stopping the cluster traffic on an Ethernet controller % Message-ID: <8jadjl$fpg$1@wanadoo.fr>y  D For the 5 last years I was using successfully the undocumented macroK programs LAVC$STOP_BUS and LAVC$START_BUS  (located on SYS$EXAMPLES) totK disallow the cluster traffic on a 10 Mo Ethernet controller and force it onrI a 100 Mb one. It was working on a 3 nodes cluster under OVMS V7.1-1H1  (2sD Alphas in a SCSI cluster connected via an HSZ and an Alpha with a NI connection).  H Since I have upgraded the system to  OVMS V7.2-1 and replaced the Y SCSIL cables by a SCSI hub, a lot of processes get the RWSCS status when I use theK LAVC$STOP_BUS program, and if I don't use it I got a lot of cluster traffichJ on the 10 Mo Ethernet bus. This is the cause of traffic congestion on this network.  G Does somebody knows how I can discard the cluster traffic on a specific  Ethernet controller?              Jean-Luc RAYON-    La Couronne C.E.P.A.P           B.P. 140      16400 La Couronne  http://www.lacouronne.com Tel  : 33 (0) 545 243 794e Fax  : 33 (0) 545 243 586p Mobile : 33 (0) 680 982 261o   jl.rayon@lacouronne.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:29:29 GMTe From: kparris@my-deja.commC Subject: Re: Stopping the cluster traffic on an Ethernet controller ) Message-ID: <8jah80$ead$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   - "Jean-Luc RAYON" <jl.rayon@wanadoo.fr> wrote: F > For the 5 last years I was using successfully the undocumented macro< > programs LAVC$STOP_BUS and LAVC$START_BUS  (located onC > SYS$EXAMPLES) to disallow the cluster traffic on a 10 Mb Ethernet5* > controller and force it on a 100 Mb one.  F These programs are actually documented; it's just that they're sort of@ hidden away in Appendix D of the OpenVMS Cluster Systems manual.  F > a lot of processes get the RWSCS status when I use the LAVC$STOP_BUSF > program, and if I don't use it I got a lot of cluster traffic on theE > 10 Mo Ethernet bus. This is the cause of traffic congestion on this 
 > network. > @ > Does somebody knows how I can discard the cluster traffic on a > specific Ethernet controller?e  F RWSCS state typically indicates a process is waiting for a response toF a lock request -- sort of analogous to an LEF state for lock requests.G The fact that these are showing up when you use the 100 Mb LAN makes me F think you're suffering from a high packet-loss rate and/or high packet latencies on that LAN.  A So in short, it sounds like there's a problem on your 100 Mb LAN.G> PEDRIVER wants to send traffic on the LAN path with the lowestE latency.  So if most of the traffic goes over the 10 Mb LAN when both E are enabled, apparently your 10 Mb LAN has lower latency than the 100V? Mb for some reason.  You might want to take a look at the NISCARG troubleshooting techniques in Appendix F of the OpenVMS Cluster SystemsT manual for starters.G -----------------------------------------------------------------------aG Keith Parris|Integrity Computing,Inc.|parris@decuserve.decus.org-nospam F VMS Consulting: Clusters, Perf., Alpha porting, Storage&I/O, Internals    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:32:51 +0100V* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>C Subject: Re: Stopping the cluster traffic on an Ethernet controller-+ Message-ID: <8jakvh$oi2@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>e  W "Jean-Luc RAYON" <jl.rayon@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message news:8jadjl$fpg$1@wanadoo.fr...   J > Since I have upgraded the system to  OVMS V7.2-1 and replaced the Y SCSIN > cables by a SCSI hub, a lot of processes get the RWSCS status when I use theM > LAVC$STOP_BUS program, and if I don't use it I got a lot of cluster trafficaL > on the 10 Mo Ethernet bus. This is the cause of traffic congestion on this
 > network.  P My guess is that your 100Mbps network is broken. What do the Ethernet statisticsM on the card look like? And you have got direct network connections to all thei5 systems, yes? The SCSI doesn't carry cluster traffic.-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:10:31 GMT<3 From: cornelius@eisner.decus.org (George Cornelius)m( Subject: RE: strange problems in SYSBOOT+ Message-ID: <bax2AHMZzcM1@eisner.decus.org>e   In article <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A3334DC@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>, "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> writes:nJ > You need to set the startup file back to it's original.  From SYSBOOT... > 2 > SYSBOOT>   SET  /STARTUP  SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.COM   It's  "  SYSBOOT> SET /STARTUP=filedevspec  B where the two usual choices are OPA0: and SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.COM .  C If you choose the former, you get to a $ prompt _very early_ in the C startup process.  See the FAQ for what to do at this point.  If youeD don't need to catch the boot process early, set to the second of the two choices.   --8 George Cornelius              cornelius@eisner.decus.org0                               cornelius@mayo.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:23:18 -0300g1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>e( Subject: RE: strange problems in SYSBOOTK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A33350A@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>e  D > From: 	cornelius@eisner.decus.org[SMTP:cornelius@eisner.decus.org]' > Sent: 	Tuesday, June 27, 2000 5:10 AM  > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ > Subject: 	RE: strange problems in SYSBOOTn >  > In articleJ > <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A3334DC@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>, "Boyle,- > Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> writes:0L > > You need to set the startup file back to it's original.  From SYSBOOT... > > 4 > > SYSBOOT>   SET  /STARTUP  SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.COM >  > It's > $ >  SYSBOOT> SET /STARTUP=filedevspec > D > where the two usual choices are OPA0: and SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.COM . > E > If you choose the former, you get to a $ prompt _very early_ in thedE > startup process.  See the FAQ for what to do at this point.  If yourF > don't need to catch the boot process early, set to the second of the > two choices. >  > --: > George Cornelius              cornelius@eisner.decus.org2 >                               cornelius@mayo.edu >  > J Sorry my friend but you are wrong, there is no = sign, and yes I know whatH the resulting actions are which is why I posted my response in the firstL place.  See below for more clarification (and yes I know this is from SYSGEN4 not SYSBOOT but they are generally the same context)  + BAKUP1_Darren2> mc sysgen help set /startupv   SETa  
   /STARTUP  A        Names the site-independent startup command procedure to bey@        associated with a parameter file for subsequent bootstrap        operations.  
        Format.            SET/STARTUP  file-specp      o   - Darren    F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andwJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyfL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingf of this message is prohibited.   Bank of Bermuda-F **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:16:32 -0300c1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>2P Subject: RE: Transparent login to another cluster node using DECnet Task-to-TaskK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A333509@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>>  H Try using SYSALF from SYSMAN.  This allows users to log into one machineK then when they enter a SET HOST command they are automatically logged in tooH another machine with the need for username or password.  I'm not exactlyJ sure what you mean by a "transparent login", nor do I know why you want toH use "task".  I think if you investigate it you will be happy with ALF.    J Alternately why don't the users log directly into this machine rather thanC the other cluster members.  Anyway check this for more information.t   MC  SYSMAN  HELP  ALFt   - Darren   > ----------@ > From: 	dilalo@aesop.rutgers.edu[SMTP:dilalo@aesop.rutgers.edu]% > Reply To: 	dilalo@aesop.rutgers.edui& > Sent: 	Monday, June 26, 2000 5:02 PM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComB > Subject: 	Transparent login to another cluster node using DECnet > Task-to-Task > G > Does anyone have a DCL or C script they would be willing to share for:
 > doing a J > transparent interactive login from one member of a heterogeneous cluster > toL > another using DECnet Task-To-Task and a shared sysuaf?  I have a node thatL > runs a very expensive database application that we can't afford to clusterK > license.  I want to log users of that application in and out of that node L > without the need for them to re-enter their username and password and make > access look seamless.  > L > -------------------------------------+------------------------------------ > ------L > Gregory J. 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If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingi of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudaaF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:38:53 +0200   From: marc.hinderickx@banksys.be Subject: UNSUB INFO-VAXt; Message-ID: <FBD86325E818D311ADC10008C75B7A63016953DE@AZHA>M   UNSUB INFO-VAX   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Jun 2000 05:51:35 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)k. Subject: Re: VAX based 1032 database to Oracle' Message-ID: <8j9fd7$nc2$1@joe.rice.edu>   6 David J. Dachtera (djesys.nospam@earthlink.net) wrote: : mschaus@hotmail.com wrote: : >  What type of D : > databases (Oracle, Access, SQL, etc.) can be run on the systems?  F : Oracle, Rdb, Sybase (I think), there may be others of which I am notI : aware. Of course, OpenVMS includes RMS (provides ISAM support), but RMSi5 : requires thrid-party ODBC support for most clients.o  A Sybase on VMS has been EOLed.  This was discussed in comp.os.vms t5 starting May 17, 1999, The subject of the thread was:.  /  "Sybase dropping product/support from OpenVMS"h  5 Cache' is another database product available for VMS:s  %   http://www.e-dbms.com/homepage.htmls3   InterSystems Cache'. The Post-Relational Databaset   : > K : > Specifically, the client wants to "reprogram the current VAX based 1032tK : > database into an Oracle based platform."  Does anyone have any ideas astD : > to what the exact meaning of this is?  Is 1032 a hardware model,J : > database type, or maybe a proprietary name?  1032 is used as a "SystemK : > Monitoring (SYSMON) database," but this has little meaning to me, as it.) : > could be a product or a made-up name.p    = System 1032 is another database, still available for OpenVMS:c  ,   http://www.cca-int.com/prodinfo/s1032.html   CCA-System 1032 (S1032)r    4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Jun 2000 08:41:37 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) . Subject: Re: VAX based 1032 database to Oracle+ Message-ID: <qjVMrG+JF+f6@eisner.decus.org>   g In article <8j98f1$tam$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>, "Randy Park" <rjpark@mindspring.com.nospaam> writes:o6 > VAX is the hardware platform.  While no longer being7 > manufactured, it supported several operating systems,i7 > including OpenVMS.  New versions of OpenVMS are stilli4 > being developed by Compaq (who bought Digital) and7 > these new versions run on both VAX hardware and Alphah > hardware.h > 5 > 1032 is a database management system that descendedn4 > from the 1022 database system that was availabe on4 > DECsystem 10 (pdp-10) platforms.  I think, but not8 > 100% sure, that 1032 followed the network model rather > than the relational model. > 8 > Other database management systems available on OpenVMS8 > for VAX include Oracle, Oracle Rdb (formerly DEC Rdb),: > Ingres, Sybase, Progress, and Oracle DBMS.  All of these8 > are relational databases except for the last one which! > is Codasyl compliant (network).a  7 I am not sure what your definition of "network" is, butt3 my recollection is that 1032 is neither Codasyl nore5 Relational.  (You seem to apply the term "network" tor; both 1032 and Oracle DBMS, and they bear little resemblance  to each other.)e  < On the other hand, manufacturers of non-Relational databases< have been known to put Relational front ends on them for the sake of compatibility.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:54:59 -0700:2 From: "Randy Park" <rjpark@mindspring.com.nospaam>. Subject: Re: VAX based 1032 database to Oracle2 Message-ID: <8jam3s$vnl$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>  D Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message% news:qjVMrG+JF+f6@eisner.decus.org... C > In article <8j98f1$tam$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>, "Randy Park" >e9 > I am not sure what your definition of "network" is, butu5 > my recollection is that 1032 is neither Codasyl nora7 > Relational.  (You seem to apply the term "network" to = > both 1032 and Oracle DBMS, and they bear little resemblancel > to each other.)o >o> > On the other hand, manufacturers of non-Relational databases> > have been known to put Relational front ends on them for the > sake of compatibility.  @ I've personally never worked with System 1032, but I have worked= with all the other databases I've referenced.  Oracle DBMS isu= based upon the network model and it is Codasyl compliant.  Ite= is quite possible for a database to be based upon the networki= model but not be Codasyl compliant.  There is a PC based dbmsn? from Raima in Issaquah, WA that is based upon the network model > but is not Codasyl compliant.  Like I said previously, I'm not? sure that System 1032 is based upon the network model.  Networkt@ databases use a system of pointers and links to navigate through< the database (the joining of records can be done only if the8 links were previously established to support that join).   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:04:38 +0100g- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>- Subject: Re: VAX on Intel?) Message-ID: <3958D096.454C969C@bbc.co.uk>m   "Mark E. Levy" wrote:.  4 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message$ > news:8j46sn$djo$1@pyrite.mv.net... > >4L > > I'm sometimes perhaps a tad too literal - it's entirely possible that byF > > 'the Linux box of choice' what David really had in mind was indeed > somethingtL > > like 20% market share (and perhaps a bit of envy from a large portion of > theaN > > other 80%) - which would be damn attractive if the Linux market takes off. > >uK > > But it's still a tough call for Compaq:  if they reduce Alpha prices toiJ > > anything like PC prices, then are they really all that much better offN > > selling Alphas than PCs?  (Don't answer too quickly:  there are a *lot* ofN > > elements involved.)  We could wish that the opportunities to take over theM > > world that existed 15 years or so ago were still there (not just for VMS,AN > > but for any good hardware or software architecture), but in reality thingsK > > are much different today and the fact that Compaq has feet in all camps- > just > > makes them harder. >:J > This is, after all, comp.os.vms. The crux of Compaq's problem is this: IH > want VMS. VMS requires Alpha. If I'm forced to run Linux, what does itD > matter if it's Alpha, IA64, Mips, PPC, or whatever, given similiar > price/performace?g >sM > There's a lot of talk about VMS on 8x86. Realistically, this means the 8x86tK > processor in it's current hardware platform, the PC. Perhaps VMS could beoF > made to run on an Intel processor, but it would likely require a newK > motherboard design. VMS with only 16 hardware interrupts? And no vectored L > interrupt at that? That's just a small part of the problem. As I said, not	 > likely.C  K :-), you've reminded me why I really hated PC's back when people were firstr startingM to consider using them for realtime-ish stuff. I seem to remember hearing VMST engineeringu. rejected shared interrupts as a security risk.  M Oh, how I used to laugh at the PC. Then I had to get a real job and I had onecM on my desk. However, had I remained in academia, I would not have been spared. much longer.   >L >oM > A new motherboard design would not be a commodity as is the current design,4I > meaning that the prices would not be in line with commodity motherboard-E > prices. In this case, the price advantage of Intel ceases to exist.m >p  P Yup, and you won't be able to run VMSi86 or whatever on your clapped out out 386  F box, making most of the potential "market" the VMS on Intel people are
 interested in>
 inaccessible.   L I'd say Compaq would be better off persuing the really-low-end Alpha box (or even" nVAX, if they could produce them).  D If people want VMS for free there are plenty of old VAXen out there,   >  > Mark Levyd$ > System Management Associates, Inc. > www-sysman-inc.com   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukS  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those oft MedAS or the BBC.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:24:20 +0900o2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>D Subject: Re: what layered products can i install with these licences+ Message-ID: <39588EE4.717E1A69@digital.com>o   David J. Dachtera wrote: >  > mrsignor wrote:t > >  > > Greetings, ...aA > >     NAS CLIENT 150 FOR OPENVMS ALPHA-WS           TRADITIONAL  ... I > >     I take it, none of the above entitles me to 64 concurrent users ?  > J > No, "OPENVMS 1 USER CONCURRENT" means, well, what it says. The number of1 > logins allowed (IJOBLIM) is not related to LMF.w >  > Open3D, of course. > E > NAS-150 (I believe) gets you DECnet end-node (IV or V), DECwindows,a( > MOTIF and UCX (but, I could be wrong).  9 If you look at SYS$COMMON:[SYSUPD]VMSINSTAL_LMFGROUPS.COM : for lines containing NET-APP-SUP-150 you'll get a list of  licenses included in NAS-150:T6 /ACAS-RT/DMQ-RTO-V/DVNETEND/DW-MOTIF/DW-MOTIF-UI-CESKY) /DW-MOTIF-UI-DEUTSCH/DW-MOTIF-UI-ESPANOL/e= /DW-MOTIF-UI-FRANCAIS/DW-MOTIF-UI-ITALIANO/DW-MOTIF-UI-MAGYARn( /DW-MOTIF-UI-POLSKI/DW-MOTIF-UI-RUSSKIJ/? /DW-MOTIF-UI-SLOVENSKY/DW-MOTIF-UI-SVENSKA/OBB-RT/UCX-IP-CLIENT/ /VMSCLUSTER-CLIENT/eH i.e. you can run DECwindows in _many_ languages, and some other stuff...   ~Mike0  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.t? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*iF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------O   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:42:07 +0400t* From: "Yuri Ermakov" <ermak@cbr.ryazan.su>0 Subject: : how to forward vax-email to smtp???/ Message-ID: <8j9jib$djh$1@summer.cbr.ryazan.su>t  ) mail> set forw smtp%"""user@domain.com"""?  = "Wim" <wim@wanadoo.nl> /   :,$ news:8j9gl6$p60$1@news1.xs4all.nl... >fH > What is the correct syntax to forward mail to an internet email adress usingr
 > tcpware? >i >r > mail> set forwK > _Address: smtp%"user@domain.com"  does not work I think you have to use 3z or > 4 quotes but I'm not sure.  > Any help would be appreciated. >3 > Wima >2 >d   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.357 ************************startup file back to it's original.  From SYSBOOT... > 2 > SYSBOOT>   SET  /STARTUP  SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.COM   It's  "  SYSBOOT> SET /STARTUP=filedevspec  B where the two usual choices are OPA0: and SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.COM .  C If you choose the former, you get to a $ prompt _very early_ in the C startup process.  See the FAQ for what to do at this point.  If youeD don't need tlast 20 years and I can hardly stop myself, L : even in e-mails). Of course, I'm fairly sure the above command would have L : failed under V2.x as sys$sysdevice wouldn't have been defined either, but  : you get the point.  K No, you are not the only one who's concerned about such changes in backup, M as well as analyze/error_log.a  E The change in incremental backups that was included in VMS 6.2, IIRC, D for Pathworks for MAC, was the start of the changes.  Wasn't PW for  MACs retired after that ?,    4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:24:28 -0500s* From: Keith Brown <kbrown780@usfamily.net>5 Subject: Re: ver 7.1 Openvms will run on the new Ds20a, Message-ID: <3932C3EC.BE34766B@usfamily.net>   Horse Nuts wrote:D > / > Will ver 7.1 Openvms will run on the new Ds20e= > we have received. There may be a minimum limit and if so wee= > need to know the version. If the version needs upgrading ita* > may affect other software running there. >  > Thanks    @ I have been running OpenVMS 7.1-2 on a DS20 for about 10 months. No problems so far.c -- : Keith Brownl kbrown780@usfamily.net   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 01:27:22 GMTi$ From: Ed Wilts <ewilts@mediaone.net>5 Subject: Re: ver 7.1 Openvms will run on the new Ds20 , Message-ID: <393318FA.5D9B2FC5@mediaone.net>   Keith Brown wrote: > B > I have been running OpenVMS 7.1-2 on a DS20 for about 10 months. > No problems so far.u  D And I've been working with Compaq for over 2 months to get our DS20sH actually working in our cluster without crashing HSJ-50 controllers.  WeF have not succeeded yet although Compaq does seem to be working hard to resolve the issues.    	.../EdL   -- 1 Ed Wilts Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts@mediaone.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 07:33:55 +02001> From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>5 Subject: Re: ver 7.1 Openvms will run on the new Ds20 3 Message-ID: <8gvjp0$1joo$1@s2.feed.news.oleane.net>   1 "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@mediaone.net> wrote in message & news:393318FA.5D9B2FC5@mediaone.net... > Keith Brown wrote: > > D > > I have been running OpenVMS 7.1-2 on a DS20 for about 10 months. > > No problems so far.  > F > And I've been working with Compaq for over 2 months to get our DS20sJ > actually working in our cluster without crashing HSJ-50 controllers.  WeH > have not succeeded yet although Compaq does seem to be working hard to > resolve the issues.   J Did you look at the console parameter SCSI_POLL (mentionned in the cluster manual)?C I had a problem with 2 PWS433 crashing alone under the SRM console,a# due to incorrect SCSI_POLL setting.    Jean-Franois Marchal- X9000 - LYON     >- > .../Ed >- > --
 > Ed Wilts > Mounds View, MN, USA > mailto:ewilts@mediaone.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:17:16 -0400-, From: taterskins@patriot.net (Ramon L. Tate) Subject: Re: War Stories ?D Message-ID: <taterskins-ya023480002905002117160001@news.patriot.net>  M In article <39318317.5538BFC9@netscapeonline.co.uk>, mpatt@bigfoot.com wrote:.  	 > Hi All,-I >         When I worked for DEC (yes before it was Q'd) there was a Notes G > conference (similar system to Usenet) called War Stories, which was agH > repository for old anecdotes and stupid mistakes that have happened inI > the computing world over the years. Does anyone know if there's anthing % > similar available on the Internet ?   K The closest thing I know would be the co