1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 01 May 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 242       Contents:, Re: Any ALPHAbook (Tadpole) users out there?* Can I get the temperature of a RA90 disk ?0 Re: Catastrophic EVE/TPU documentation error :-)G Re: Compaq downgrading products (was Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!) 
 DS425c memory  Re: Help with VMS Workstation  Re: IBM 18GB disk "offline"  Re: OpenVMS marketing  Re: Print queue -> file - Setting local event flag from another process 1 Re: Setting local event flag from another process 1 Re: Setting local event flag from another process  Re: So who will buy VMS ? $ Re: Sun is no longer the dot in .com  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  " Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 04:10:01 GMT0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com>5 Subject: Re: Any ALPHAbook (Tadpole) users out there? & Message-ID: <Ftv4E5.LIx@world.std.com>  D "Colin Butcher" <colin.butcher@xdelta.co.uk.nospam> wrote in message; news:956909674.12545.0.nnrp-04.9e98f8e9@news.demon.co.uk... > > "Skipper W. Morris" <morris@iridium.mv.net> wrote in message$ > news:8ea92c$j54$1@pyrite.mv.net...I > > I've just started playing with a Tadpole (Alpha notebook) that's been G > > sitting around work here unused.  I've run into a few problems that A > > hopefully someone already has seen and knows then answer for.  > >  > H > Great machines for training / demo use. I had two for a while (on loan from6 > Tadpole) and would really like to get one of my own. >   J This would be easier said than done, since the worldwide installed base of( the AlphaBook I is in the double digits.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 17:06:17 EST , From: "Pedro Viena" <contracer2@hotmail.com>3 Subject: Can I get the temperature of a RA90 disk ? 4 Message-ID: <20000430200617.72397.qmail@hotmail.com>  2 In my job we have one VAX 6000-420, and the system  4 disk is dismounting when the temperature in the site  1 is +- 30 Celsius degrees. Is there any way to get   4 the RA90 disk temperature ? When I run analize/error  5 I get a lot of mnemonic informations. The disks tem-    perature is in this log ?     5 Thank you in advance for this and other well answered    questions ! H ________________________________________________________________________H Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 12:50:23 -0700 1 From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US> 9 Subject: Re: Catastrophic EVE/TPU documentation error :-) 3 Message-ID: <390C2C0E.30C47CDE@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US>   6 This reminds me of a problem with EVE/TPU that I don't? remember seeing in any documentation (correct me if I'm wrong).   B When you edit on a VAX and something goes wrong with your session,@ if you try to recover on an Alpha, it doesn't work, it says thatD the journal file is not a journal file.  The same occurs visa versa,B i.e. edit on an Alpha, try to recover on a VAX.  So, it seems that? journal files are platform-dependent!  If so... what a mistake!   , Is this a bug or is it documented somewhere?   -- Vance Haemmerle  vance@toyvax.tucson.az.us    ------------------------------  " Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 04:05:23 GMT0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com>P Subject: Re: Compaq downgrading products (was Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!)& Message-ID: <Ftv46I.Kqu@world.std.com>  9 "Bob Kaplow" <kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org> wrote in message ! news:2000Apr26.145546.1@eisner... K > In article <2000Apr26.114523.1@eisner>, kilgallen@eisner.decus.org (Larry  Kilgallen) writes:- > > No, he said it is a management chain, so:  > >  > > VMS is a part of theA > > High Performance Server Business Unit, which is a part of the 9 > > Business Critical Server Division, which is a part of 9 > > Enterprise Solutions and Services, which is a part of  > > Compaq.  > > K > > The fact that they are all vice-presidents might be somewhat confusing, I > > but no more so than at some large banks where VMS system managers are K > > Vice Presidents (I think it has to do with salaries or not getting paid  > > overtime). > J > When I started working for the company formerly known as DEC, they had 9 VPs K > worldwide. When I was TFSOed in late 1991, that number was WELL over 100.  I , > wonder how many there are today at Compaq?  G I have no idea how many VPs the Q has, but it's gotta be a lot. FYI DEC F increased the ranks of its VP staff to well over 200 (IIRC; the actualK number is in a 1998 issue of Shannon Knows DEC) between the announcement of 3 the CPQ acquisition and the implementation of same.   K Why? VPs got better severance packages. All sorts of people suddenly became  VPs...  
 charlie matco    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 21:21:53 -0700 # From: Mark Tarka <markZERO@mcn.net>  Subject: DS425c memory# Message-ID: <390D059F.7A04@mcn.net>   5 Hey...I forgot the appropriate ng that I was supposed ; to post this query to (oops, ended in a preposition, darn).   7 So...anyone able to provide a board and SIMMs so that I : can double the memory available to my DecStation 425c from
 8 to 16MB?  * Or...pointers to where I should look/post?    3   mark(0@mcn.net)   Dele the parens for a valid....   2 P.S.  Does it piss you off that the anniversary of, Lydick's death is coming-up in a few months?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:59:41 GMT / From: Hans.Bachner@altavista.net (Hans Bachner) & Subject: Re: Help with VMS Workstation+ Message-ID: <390cb9ff.28259014@news.aon.at>   M At least GIF and JPEG (I'm not sure about BMP) are also displayed by Netscape L Navigator (current version on OpenVMS V3.03b), or by the Mozilla "technology# demonstration". More about these on 3 http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/ips    Hope this helps,    : ---------------- speaking only for myself ---------------- Hans Bachner Compaq Computer Austria + Compaq Customer Services - Software Support  E-Mail: Hans.Bachner@compaq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:27:22 -0700 1 From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US> $ Subject: Re: IBM 18GB disk "offline"3 Message-ID: <390C34BA.1368FEBF@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US>    Rudolf Wingert wrote:   J > This is the normal behavior if the disk identify themself as ANSI SCSI 3H > compliant. If you are able to connect them to a VAX (the ANALYZE/ERRORG > get's you a formatted output of Identify field. You could it see also J > at the Alpha DIAGNOSE tool, but not so formatted. I don't know the rightI > position within the array. AFAIK, if you upgrade your system to OpenVMS 2 > 7.1-2 AXP, you should be able to mount the disk.  F   Do you know if the Ultrastar 18ES (DNES-318350) 18.2GB disk has this problem?   -- Vance Haemmerle  vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US    ------------------------------  " Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 01:56:48 GMT9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: OpenVMS marketing+ Message-ID: <8t$cu6wYzQnR@eisner.decus.org>   ` In article <w53u2gmoue2.fsf@lanark.spa.umn.edu>, Graham Allan <allan@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu> writes:K > Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:  > 2 >> Graham Allan <allan@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu> writes: >>  M >> > True, but it seems rather... cheap... not to include it. I have multiple P >> > boxes, and buy media; that's fine. Some people buy single systems, in which6 >> > case $300-odd for the OS media is an aggravation. >>  J >> Is that number correct? I remember reading something along the lines ofE >> $10-20, which is OK given the cost of handling. $300 is ludicrous.  > H > Well, for that price I am thinking of a particular media set for Tru64I > (despite this being a VMS group). The box set for Tru64, which includes G > some paper manuals (installation instructions, release notes, etc) as I > well as the CDs, costs about that much. Probably the equivalent set for K > VMS is similar. I wouldn't expect Compaq to include this type of set with M > each system. I am aware than you can buy the CDs alone, but it can be quite 5 > an effort to track down the part numbers for those.   G Manufacturing machines with Factory Installed Software does not require D they have kits on hand at the factory in any particular proportions,= as they can just copy VMS or Tru64 or Linux onto the machine.   ? That probably speeds up availability, letting the CDs ship from 
 elsewhere.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 00:37:55 GMT $ From: Ed Wilts <ewilts@mediaone.net>  Subject: Re: Print queue -> file, Message-ID: <390CD1E4.6CBAB37B@mediaone.net>   Arne Vajhj wrote: >  > Thomas nilsen wrote:O > > Is there any way to set up a print queue on OpenVMS AXP v7.1 so that prints P > > sent to this queue is saved as file on the system instead of going to a real > > printer? > @ > Fast and dirty work-around would be to just stop the queue and > look at the file.  > ; > For a more sophisticated solution, then you could write a 2 > print symbiont to save the file (and not print). > 2 > For the last possibility there are some code in:& >   ftp://ftp.hhs.dk/pub/vms/symbiont/1 >   http://www.hhs.dk/anonymous/pub/vms/symbiont/   G IIRC, you could use the existing EXECSYMB to do this.  You can probably H find this on wku.edu - I haven't checked this out in eons, but I believe, the hooks are there to simply print to file.   --   Ed Wilts Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts@mediaone.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:46:51 -0400 # From: "mlnorman" <mlnorman@tva.gov> 6 Subject: Setting local event flag from another process4 Message-ID: <newscache$5yputf$dpd$1@netnews.tva.gov>  J I have a need for an application/method of setting a local event flag fromJ another process.  It seems that I recall having seen discussion of this inL the past, so I believe it's theoretically possible, but currently outside myJ capabilities.  If anyone has any insight into such wizardry and would care  to share, I would appreciate it.   Thanks in advance    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 00:12:26 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) : Subject: Re: Setting local event flag from another process0 Message-ID: <009E9668.DDE32D3F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Z In article <newscache$5yputf$dpd$1@netnews.tva.gov>, "mlnorman" <mlnorman@tva.gov> writes:K >I have a need for an application/method of setting a local event flag from K >another process.  It seems that I recall having seen discussion of this in M >the past, so I believe it's theoretically possible, but currently outside my K >capabilities.  If anyone has any insight into such wizardry and would care ! >to share, I would appreciate it.  >  >Thanks in advance  5 From another process will require privilege to do so.   D The mechanics are to get to kernel mode and invoke SCH$POSTEF.  You D pass the process your are targetting via R1(IPID) and the event flagD number to be set in R3.  A priority boost value can be passed in R2.  D My question is why?  ... and, if one process must affect another viaC an event flag signalling mechanism, would it not be better to do so = using a supported mechanism?  Say, common event flag cluster.    --N VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001           VAXman@TMESIS.COM  L GNU Freeware -- What does the GNU *really* stand for?  Garbage!  Not Usable!   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 00:04:37 -0400, From: "Mike Norman" <mlnorman@bellsouth.net>: Subject: Re: Setting local event flag from another process+ Message-ID: <Sn7P4.2472$wW.29064@news1.atl>   K This for a port/conversion of some existing VAX software to an Alpha.  If I D can signal a process with a local event flag, I can minimize certainJ portions of the port.   Thanks for the help.   I may take a stab at it and/ see what kind of trouble I can get myself into. H Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:009E9668.DDE32D3F@SendSpamHere.ORG...A > In article <newscache$5yputf$dpd$1@netnews.tva.gov>, "mlnorman"  <mlnorman@tva.gov> writes:H > >I have a need for an application/method of setting a local event flag fromJ > >another process.  It seems that I recall having seen discussion of this inL > >the past, so I believe it's theoretically possible, but currently outside myH > >capabilities.  If anyone has any insight into such wizardry and would care# > >to share, I would appreciate it.  > >  > >Thanks in advance > 7 > From another process will require privilege to do so.  > E > The mechanics are to get to kernel mode and invoke SCH$POSTEF.  You F > pass the process your are targetting via R1(IPID) and the event flagF > number to be set in R3.  A priority boost value can be passed in R2. > F > My question is why?  ... and, if one process must affect another viaE > an event flag signalling mechanism, would it not be better to do so ? > using a supported mechanism?  Say, common event flag cluster.  >  > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman@TMESIS.COM  > F > GNU Freeware -- What does the GNU *really* stand for?  Garbage!  Not Usable!    ------------------------------  " Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 04:07:27 GMT0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com>" Subject: Re: So who will buy VMS ?& Message-ID: <Ftv49u.L4K@world.std.com>  : "Tim Llewellyn" <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote in message# news:3909B588.71DF96A2@bbc.co.uk...  >  >  > Bob Kaplow wrote:  > F > > [My original post on this expired, but I had asked about the priceB > > difference on the same hardware configuration for VMS vs UNIX] > > H > > I got a call yesterday from Karen Leonard (Manager, OpenVMS CustomerI > > Programs) in response to an email I had sent to Richard Marcello. She K > > answered several questions for me. One of them was the price difference  for E > > equivalent hardware configurations with OpenVMS vs Tru64Unix. She 	 explained J > > that this was a concious decision on the part of Compaq to account for the A > > enhanced functionality of OpenVMS vs other operating systems.  > B > OK, so they admit there is enhanced functionality in the pricing
 structure.I > Great, thats really going to sell VMS boxes. If Compaq expect people to J > shell extra for VMS because VMS is better why oh why can't they tell the$ > world at large that VMS is better.    
 Good point!!!    ------------------------------  " Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 04:12:48 GMT0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com>- Subject: Re: Sun is no longer the dot in .com & Message-ID: <Ftv4Ir.M2C@world.std.com>  G "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote in , message news:39094ED5.2EC0C722@uk.sun.com... > Rob Young wrote: > D > > Sun is no longer ., the Root server is no an S80.  Rather ironicI > > they "upgraded" from an E10000 to an S80.  Seems funny a 24 processor J > > box is viewed as more powerful than a 64 processor box.  That can't beE > > can it?  Of course it can.  Wait until a certain 32 processor box  > > begins shipping ;-)  > > G > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48004-2000Apr19.html  > / > It would have been funny if it had been true.  > ? > However the article is incorrect, the root server was an E450 9 > (small 4 CPU workgroup server) not an E10K, so the boot  > is on the other foot.  > @ > Wow do you really need a 24 CPU S80 to replace a 4 CPU E450 !! > A > BTW it probably wasn't a 24 CPU machine, the most likely config ? > would be 6 CPU's which is what the vast majority of the S80's C > installed are configured with if IDC's revenue breakdowns for the  > S80 are accurate.  > D > I wonder where the Washington Post got the incorrect idea that the> > root server was an E10K from. No prizes for correct answers. >   I That's a good question, Andrew. There was another article (I forget which G rag it ran in) that accurately stated that the displaced Sun box was an L E450. Apparently the issue was scalability, and one might assume that an S80' has more scalability than does an E450.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.242 ************************                                                                                                                            