1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 04 May 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 249       Contents: Advice on AXP setup. Re: Advice on AXP setup. Re: Advice on AXP setup., Re: Any ALPHAbook (Tadpole) users out there?, Re: Any ALPHAbook (Tadpole) users out there?, Re: Any ALPHAbook (Tadpole) users out there? Re: boot tape can i make one?  Re: Changing File Create Dates> Re: DCL-equivalent for COBOL WRITE WITH NO ADVANCING wanted...> Re: DCL-equivalent for COBOL WRITE WITH NO ADVANCING wanted...4 FS: Compaq P1610 24" Monitor .25DP Up to 1920 x 12008 Re: FS: Compaq P1610 24" Monitor .25DP Up to 1920 x 1200; How to access a DB2/NT database / integration into Oracle ? ? Re: How to access a DB2/NT database / integration into Oracle ?  Re: LBR$OUTPUT_HELP Question) MAIL: foreign mail protocol documentation - Re: MAIL: foreign mail protocol documentation - Re: MAIL: foreign mail protocol documentation - Re: MAIL: foreign mail protocol documentation   Re: Moving data from VMS to UNIX Re: MPI for OpenVMS? Re: MPI for OpenVMS? Re: MPI for OpenVMS? NFS Server Problem Re: OpenVMS disk space?  Re: OpenVMS disk space?  Re: OpenVMS disk space?  Re: OpenVMS marketing  Re: OpenVMS marketing  Re: Perl links outdated  Pitch of the Margin bell Beep ) Re: Printing in Landscape - (Please help)  Re: Problem with UCX$BIND  Re: Problem with UCX$BIND , Re: Product News at a Glance, April 26, 2000, Re: Product News at a Glance, April 26, 2000 RMS indexed file cleanup Re: RMS indexed file cleanup Re: RMS indexed file cleanup) Re: Test discs for RRD40 and RRD50 drives  Re: VAXStation 3100 boot disks6 Re: VMS Fibre channel connectivity with 3rd party disk Re: VXT2000 question Web-enabling VMS reporting ..." Re: Web-enabling VMS reporting ..." Re: Web-enabling VMS reporting ..." Re: Web-enabling VMS reporting ..." Re: Web-enabling VMS reporting ..." Re: Web-enabling VMS reporting ..." Re: Web-enabling VMS reporting ...1 Re: Where is the lexical f$getjpi("","Connectim") 1 Re: Where is the lexical f$getjpi("","Connectim") 1 Re: Where is the lexical f$getjpi("","Connectim") 1 Re: Where is the lexical f$getjpi("","Connectim") 1 Re: Where is the lexical f$getjpi("","Connectim")   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 09:00:24 +0100: From: "Dean Richard Benson" <dean.benson@remove_metrw.com> Subject: Advice on AXP setup. , Message-ID: <8erajl$15i$1@murrow.sp.trw.com>  
 Hi all....  I I am fairly new to the system management side of the VMS world, so please  excuse my lack of lingo!  H Currently I have 4 sets of raid disks in a storageworks cabinet with the following configuration.   DKA100 DKA200 - System disk DKA300 DKA400  H What I am wanting to do is to install a set of new disks that I have and replace = both DKA200 and DKA400.  (the cabinet is full at the moment).    So I thought of the following.   * Boot the system from a CD  * Backup the system disk * Backup DKA400  * Shutdown system + * Remove DKA200 and DKA400 from the cabinet * * Install new disks (and call them DKA200)# * Boot the system from the CD again 6 * Restore old system disk (dka200) to new set of disksA * Restore files from tape that were on dka400 to new set of disks  * Shutdown system @ * Reboot system this time from the new system disk called DKA200  F Can anyone see any obvious floors in this logic or maybe an easier way to do what I am trying to do?   + Thanks all in advance for any help offered.    Regards.   Dean   ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2000 08:31:28 GMT * From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)! Subject: Re: Advice on AXP setup. . Message-ID: <8erch0$kvs$6@info.service.rug.nl>  B In article <8erajl$15i$1@murrow.sp.trw.com>, "Dean Richard Benson"' <dean.benson@remove_metrw.com> writes:     > Hi all.... > K > I am fairly new to the system management side of the VMS world, so please  > excuse my lack of lingo! > J > Currently I have 4 sets of raid disks in a storageworks cabinet with the > following configuration. >  > DKA100 > DKA200 - System disk > DKA300 > DKA400 > J > What I am wanting to do is to install a set of new disks that I have and	 > replace ? > both DKA200 and DKA400.  (the cabinet is full at the moment).  >   > So I thought of the following.  - This is all covered in the docs, of course...    > * Boot the system from a CD  > * Backup the system disk > * Backup DKA400  > * Shutdown system - > * Remove DKA200 and DKA400 from the cabinet , > * Install new disks (and call them DKA200)% > * Boot the system from the CD again 8 > * Restore old system disk (dka200) to new set of disksC > * Restore files from tape that were on dka400 to new set of disks  > * Shutdown system B > * Reboot system this time from the new system disk called DKA200 > H > Can anyone see any obvious floors in this logic or maybe an easier way > to do what I am trying to do?   F ...but this seems generally OK.  I would definitely back up everythingA to tape first, just to be sure, then I would boot from CD and use G disk-to-disk BACKUP to move the stuff.  I would also definitely want to E have nothing else on the system disk; you seem to want to combine the B current system disk with some extra stuff on the new system disk.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 11:40:38 +0100: From: "Dean Richard Benson" <dean.benson@remove_metrw.com>! Subject: Re: Advice on AXP setup. , Message-ID: <8erk04$3h9$1@murrow.sp.trw.com>   Hi Phillip.   ( Thanks firstly for your speedy response.  / > This is all covered in the docs, of course... I Yup....however the manuals seem very comprehensive...all 356 of them! ;-)   H > ...but this seems generally OK.  I would definitely back up everythingC > to tape first, just to be sure, then I would boot from CD and use I > disk-to-disk BACKUP to move the stuff.  I would also definitely want to G > have nothing else on the system disk; you seem to want to combine the C > current system disk with some extra stuff on the new system disk.   H Yeah, I agree with you there....I will just get the system disk switchedG over to the new set of disks, and then once that works, I will populate I the new disk with the files from the other disk that I will have removed. # A rather sensible suggestion there.   E One of the reasons that this upgrade is being done is because we want C to spread the new disk (Raid5) over a number of shelves rather than H its current setup of all being on one shelf where we are exposed to risk if the shelf dies.  
 Thanks again.    Dean   ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2000 08:07:44 GMT * From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)5 Subject: Re: Any ALPHAbook (Tadpole) users out there? . Message-ID: <8erb4g$kvs$1@info.service.rug.nl>  9 In article <Fu09x5.8Mw@world.std.com>, "Terry C. Shannon"   <shannon@world.std.com> writes:   L > > Right.  More and more folks (including me) are doing work which could inI > > principle be done anywhere, if the computing resources are there.  So H > > why not lie on the beach with your laptop---not as an alternative toA > > lying on the beach with your girlfriend on holiday, but as an H > > alternative to sitting at your desk while it's nice weather outside. > M > The nice thing about the AlphaBook I is that you could spend ~45 minutes on  > the beach with the thing.   B It must be possible to come up with a solar cell power supply; oneF always has the screen facing away from the Sun anyway, so have the topB covered with solar cells.  And there are always the long extension cords.    2 > After which point you could retire to your hotel? > room with your girlfriend, er, colleague, for a lusty SYSGEN.   F Thanks for the Hints! Obviously, I need some HELP. Perhaps she's named ADA?     How's this for a .COM file?    CALL         ENABLE ATTACH       SHOW DIFFERENCES             VIEW         CONNECT  CXXDEMANGLE !? EXAMINE     
 MASSAGE     !  REQUEST E JOB         ! for some reason, the first part of this verb is missing  EOJ          RECOVER     
 PSWRAP     !?  LINK         SUBMIT     !?! OPEN         FINGER WAIT         PIPE         MOUNT  MERGE        START        DEPOSIT  RUNOFF       CONTINUE     SPAWN        STOP         UNLOCK       DISMOUNT DUMP         EXIT           := =  @    Who said VMS isn't a sexy OS?!   ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2000 08:16:45 GMT * From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@kanto.cc.jyu.fi>5 Subject: Re: Any ALPHAbook (Tadpole) users out there? , Message-ID: <8erbld$ej4$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>  5 Michael A. Foley <mike.foley@technologist.com> wrote:   L >     Here's what I'd like to see for an Alpha laptop... Take a laptop builtN >     with a Transmeta chip and instead of it emulating x86 instructions, have$ >     it emulate Alpha instructions.  E How about VAX instructions?                                       /OK    ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2000 09:48:47 GMT * From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@kanto.cc.jyu.fi>5 Subject: Re: Any ALPHAbook (Tadpole) users out there? , Message-ID: <8erh1v$rcl$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>  + Phillip Helbig <helbig@astro.rug.nl> wrote:  ... I > about a guy in a plane in Sweden booting a VMS box in the plane as part F > of a cluster on the ground).  However, in principle this is what one > wants. ... G >                                                           images are  G > loaded into local memory, and behind the scenes the main file in the  H > main cluster is updated.  I have everything everywhere I am, but only ( > the main cluster has to be maintained. ... G Yes! I see here something like combination of two fine ideas vmscluster ? and "network computer" (Is there better name for these devices; F Javastations, thin clients ...).                                   /OK   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 14:50:40 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> & Subject: Re: boot tape can i make one?) Message-ID: <39117220.7D7E0F7B@gtech.com>   
 Joe wrote:M > I am about to setup ucx on a vax. I do not have a spare disk to do an image M > backup before the upgrade. I doubt that anything will go wrong but is there L > a way to boot from a tape. Can i make a backup of the system disk and boot
 > from it?   Yes.   $ @SYS$UPDATE:STABACKIT   6 (if I remember correct - it is some years since I have
 used VMS VAX)    Arne  @ PS: It takes a long time to boot from tape. It is much faster toE     create a stabackit on a data disk and boot from that (if you have      space for it).   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 14:47:50 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> ' Subject: Re: Changing File Create Dates ) Message-ID: <39117176.A40F38ED@gtech.com>    Jack Trachtman wrote: I > I have a one-time need to change the create dates on about 50 files and  > directories. > G > I can't find any direct way to do it, and my assembly language pgming  > skills are VERY rusty. > J > Can anyone point me to a utility for our Alpha OVMS V7.1-1H2 system that > I  > can use for this?   6 I think that Joe Meadows's old FILE utility can do it.   Arne   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 09:36:43 +02002 From: "Frits A.M. Storms" <frits@storms.tmfweb.nl>G Subject: Re: DCL-equivalent for COBOL WRITE WITH NO ADVANCING wanted... * Message-ID: <8er9fq$3ak$1@cyan.nl.gxn.net>  7 "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message   news:390FEA6C.372A6@gtech.com... > "Frits A.M. Storms" wrote:A > > Is there another way to write to a terminal WITHOUT the extra  > > carriage-return-linefeed ? >  > See: > 2 > http://www.levitte.org/~ava/tip/writenocrlf.html >  > Arne- Arne  tipped me to a html on the site of guru  Richard Levitte :   9 To write to sys$output without carriage return linefeed :   < $ READ/TIME=0/ERROR=label SYS$COMMAND /PROMPT=string GARBAGE $label:   C Alas. This does not work properly for me. For "write to sys$output" B one should read "write to sys$command" but that is a minor detail.@ When the current process at the terminal is asking for input the< display of the message is delayed until some input is given.D Chances of a screenclear are high at such a moment so users can miss this message entirely.D After some pondering I managed to come up with the solution myself :  C $! small script to write a message to a terminal without disturbing > $! cursor positioning by the extra carriage return + linefeed.E $! Assuming this is used by the system manager with proper privileges " $! [Frits A.M. Storms, 2000-05-04] $! $       set noon6 $       IF      p1.EQS."" THEN GOTO devicename_missing $       devicename = P1 C $       IF      p2.EQS."" THEN GOTO message_empty !no message=silly  $       message    = P2  $       line       = P3 4 $       IF line.EQS."" THEN line = 24 ! default line $       column     = P4 2 $       IF column.EQS."" THEN column = 1 ! default $       esc[0,8] = 27  $       bell[0,8]= 7* $       tcesav   = esc+"7"   ! save cursor- $       tceres   = esc+"8"   ! restore cursor 8 $       tcepos   = esc+"[!UL;!ULH" ! set cursor positionL $       define/nolog msgwork0 sys$scratch:msgwork0_'F$GETJPI("","PID")'.tmp;> $       outrec = tcesav + bell + F$FAO(tcepos,line,column) + -    message + bell + tceres8 $! a small temporary file is needed as input for CONVERT" $      open/write filout  msgwork0! $      write/symbol filout outrec  $      close filout 8 $      convert/fdl=sys$input    msgwork0    'devicename'0 IDENT " 4-MAY-2000 08:00:27  OpenVMS FDL Editor"   SYSTEM  SOURCE   "OpenVMS"    FILE  ALLOCATION  0  BEST_TRY_CONTIGUOUS yes
  EXTENSION  0   ORGANIZATION  sequential    RECORD  BLOCK_SPAN  yes  CARRIAGE_CONTROL none  FORMAT   variable
  SIZE   32767    $    delete msgwork0 $out:  $exit  $devicename_mising: ? $    WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Devicename should be in first parameter" 
 $    GOTO out  $message_empty: C $    WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "A Message should be in the second parameter" 
 $    GOTO out   8 That FDL is the way to keep the carriage return linefeed; out of the picture and CONVERT is not hampered by inputs...      Bye !  Frits Storms   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 04:47:34 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>G Subject: Re: DCL-equivalent for COBOL WRITE WITH NO ADVANCING wanted... / Message-ID: <39113924.99607CBF@vl.videotron.ca>    try    ESC[0,7] == %X1B, WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "my text",ESC,"7",ESC,"[1A"* WRITE SYS$OUTPUT ESC,"8"," continues here"      ESC-7 saves the cursor position,7 ESC [1A moves cursor up one line (to prevent scrolling)  ESC 8 restores cursor position.    You could also:   # $ENDLINE == ESC + "7" + ESC + "[1A"  $STARTLINE == ESC + "8"    then   $write "hello",ENDLINE $write STARTLINE," how are you"    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 10:49:37 -0400< From: "Northeast Digital Systems, Inc." <neastdig@@tiac.net>= Subject: FS: Compaq P1610 24" Monitor .25DP Up to 1920 x 1200 . Message-ID: <8es1hv$3m8@news-central.tiac.net>   These are NEW in the box.   # Come with Compaq's 3 year warranty.   ) First year ONSITE - replacement warranty.   + $1599.00 ea   Retail is just over $2,000.00   ' Wide screen format.  Excellent Monitor!   ( CALL 1-888-641-4DEC and ask for Brandon.   Thanks,    Sean L. Anderson      ) *We Accept Visa/MasterCard/Amex/Discover* E *********************************************************************  Northeast Digital Systems, Inc.  35 Armory Street Worcester, MA  01603  ; Tel: 508-752-9888         Email: sean@@northeastdigital.com : Fax: 508-752-9830        Website: www.northeastdigital.comG ***********************************************************************    ------------------------------  " Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 17:39:06 GMT9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) A Subject: Re: FS: Compaq P1610 24" Monitor .25DP Up to 1920 x 1200 + Message-ID: <lpDj+R5bZkp7@eisner.decus.org>   m In article <8es1hv$3m8@news-central.tiac.net>, "Northeast Digital Systems, Inc." <neastdig@@tiac.net> writes:  > These are NEW in the box.  > % > Come with Compaq's 3 year warranty.  > + > First year ONSITE - replacement warranty.  > - > $1599.00 ea   Retail is just over $2,000.00  > ) > Wide screen format.  Excellent Monitor!   = I thought the wide screen monitors were not supported by VMS.e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 11:16:05 +0200B From: "Hermann Reisenbauer" <hermann.reisenbauer@at.origin-it.com>D Subject: How to access a DB2/NT database / integration into Oracle ?Y Message-ID: <0E16861EE7BCD111BE9400805FE6841F0FCA75A8@c1s5x001.cor.srvfarm.origin-it.com>r  A I have to access a DB2 Database on WIN/NT server FROM an existingL. application running on OpenVMS Alpha platform.  H Currently, the application is working with an Oracle Database on an Unix Alpha server using SQL/NET# and PROFOR precompiled Fortan code.t  > Please mail any hints to hermann.reisenbauer@at.origin-it.com.   Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 07:58:27 -0400t. From: Michael Austin <maustin@nc.prestige.net>H Subject: Re: How to access a DB2/NT database / integration into Oracle ?/ Message-ID: <391165E3.24085FEF@nc.prestige.net>m  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------5FB14EBC2202F53D781E28F5* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7biti  I First of all you might try asking this question in a newsgroup concerningtF Oracle and/or DB2.  (comp.databases.oracle.{misc, server or tools}  ).   next: K What network protocols does DB2 have to get access to the database from the L VMS platform?  There used to be a Oracle gateway product for DB2.  you might start there.   Michael Austin DBA Consultant     Hermann Reisenbauer wrote:  C > I have to access a DB2 Database on WIN/NT server FROM an existings0 > application running on OpenVMS Alpha platform. > J > Currently, the application is working with an Oracle Database on an Unix > Alpha server using SQL/NET% > and PROFOR precompiled Fortan code.i >V@ > Please mail any hints to hermann.reisenbauer@at.origin-it.com. >g > Thanks  & --------------5FB14EBC2202F53D781E28F5- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;c  name="maustin.vcf"t Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit", Content-Description: Card for Michael Austin  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="maustin.vcf"    begin:vcard  n:Austin;Michael ( tel;work:704-947-1089- x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Michael Austin, Inc-
 adr:;;;;;; version:2.1e+ email;internet:michaelaustininc@hotmail.com  title:Presidentd x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Michael E. Austin	 end:vcardP  ( --------------5FB14EBC2202F53D781E28F5--   ------------------------------  " Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:33:45 GMT- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>o% Subject: Re: LBR$OUTPUT_HELP Questionr( Message-ID: <39117C37.43484749@ohio.edu>  F I have been frustrated by that behavior in the past, too.  I regard itA as either broken or conforming to a bad specification ("broken by G design").  I must also say that I regard fixing TCP/IP V5 and a varietye/ of other shortcomings as being more important.     				RDPs  
 JPE wrote: > F > One of the things that has always impressed me about VMS is its HELPF > facilities.  Recently I started to code a version of LBR$OUTPUT_HELPJ > for another OS.  As part of that project, I started playing with the DCLF > HELP command and observing the behavior.  During this observation, II > noticed something with VMS HELP that doesn't seem right.  Perhaps thereeI > are people in this newsgroup that can either explain the reason for the ) > odd behavior or do something to fix it.a > H > If you type "HELP SHOW BOVINE" from the DCL prompt you get the messageB > "Sorry, no documentation on SHOW BOVINE" followed by "AdditionalI > information available:" and a list of the SHOW command's subtopics.  IfAC > you type in a subtopic, for example CPU, you get a message sayingcI > "Sorry, no documentation on CPU" because it was prompting with "Topic?"mD > after the "HELP SHOW BOVINE" command.  Even though it displays theI > subtopics for SHOW, it prompts with "Topic?" and expects you to enter aiG > top level help topic.  Any rationale for this behavior or is it trulye
 > "broke"? >  > J.P.E. > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.K   --  B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 02:59:18 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>2 Subject: MAIL: foreign mail protocol documentation/ Message-ID: <39111FC4.E5B3368D@vl.videotron.ca>y  K I am investigating writing a foreign mail protocol. I recall seing some docnG about it a LONG time ago. I consulted the now documemnted callable mails- routines, but that does not seem to cover it.   M Where can I find the doc to write the foreign mail protocol shareable image ?d   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 09:29:25 +0200n= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>I6 Subject: Re: MAIL: foreign mail protocol documentation) Message-ID: <391126D4.CAADC892@gtech.com>t   JF Mezei wrote:sM > I am investigating writing a foreign mail protocol. I recall seing some dochI > about it a LONG time ago. I consulted the now documemnted callable mail-/ > routines, but that does not seem to cover it.D > O > Where can I find the doc to write the foreign mail protocol shareable image ?    Try look at:  @   http://www.hhs.dk/anonymous/pub/vms/collection/foreignmail.zip   and for an example:   1   http://www.hhs.dk/anonymous/pub/vms/nbl/nbl.zipu   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 04:58:19 -0400t0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>6 Subject: Re: MAIL: foreign mail protocol documentation/ Message-ID: <39113BA9.BC543D5D@vl.videotron.ca>U   Arne Vajh=F8j wrote:J > > Where can I find the doc to write the foreign mail protocol shareable=  image ? > =    > Try look at:B >   http://www.hhs.dk/anonymous/pub/vms/collection/foreignmail.zip3 >   http://www.hhs.dk/anonymous/pub/vms/nbl/nbl.zipy    F Thanks. That ought to be enough.  But is it still something that is an8 "undocumented" feature or was it officially documented ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 14:51:32 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>e6 Subject: Re: MAIL: foreign mail protocol documentation) Message-ID: <39117254.BD772D77@gtech.com>a   JF Mezei wrote:l > Arne Vajhj wrote:S > > > Where can I find the doc to write the foreign mail protocol shareable image ?- > >  > > Try look at:D > >   http://www.hhs.dk/anonymous/pub/vms/collection/foreignmail.zip5 > >   http://www.hhs.dk/anonymous/pub/vms/nbl/nbl.zip  > H > Thanks. That ought to be enough.  But is it still something that is an: > "undocumented" feature or was it officially documented ?   I think it is undocumented.c   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 09:04:49 -0400m# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> ) Subject: Re: Moving data from VMS to UNIX-+ Message-ID: <39117571.8E33E243@hsc.vcu.edu>a  E i need to own up to that the binary data may not match!!!  ascii datag; will work, thanks to Glenn Everhart!!! his quote follows...e  
 Nooooooo.    Bad juju!!!!  C The data wants to be exported in some format that can survive going A from a little endian to a big endian machine. Oracle will have to ' be used to dump and restore the file...e? Try to use a moved database and you'll be reminded quickly thate packing rules matter...n      o   Jim Agnew wrote: > ? > how about simply zipping it, and ftp'ing it in binary??  THAT, > should work. >  > JONES Christopher wrote: > >eO > > Is there a way to backup VMS files to tape and read the tape from a SolarisrO > > UNIX box?  I need to export data from an Oracle database and import it into 8 > > an Oracle database on a UNIX platform.  Any ideas??? > >  > > Christopher Jones    ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2000 11:03:54 GMTO* From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@kanto.cc.jyu.fi> Subject: Re: MPI for OpenVMS?N+ Message-ID: <8erleq$qs$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>   3 David Mathog <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote: B > Just out of curiosity, has anybody ever made MPI run on OpenVMS?  # Did anyone check Eberhards ports at . ftp://v36.chemie.uni-konstanz.de/tcgmsg_vms/ ?@ (Address was wrong in VMS FAQ. Easy guess to change http -> ftp)! Does tcgmsg do same thing as MPI?   F I think MPI and PVM are must for VMS. Shame on DEQ for not supporting.  E Think about adding nodes to networked cluster. Which os would make itoH easier than VMS to add diskless nodes?                               /OK   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 17:14:48 +0200C From: Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de>b Subject: Re: MPI for OpenVMS? @ Message-ID: <009E9974.B6BCD370.543@CHCLU.CHEMIE.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE>   Hi,e  < >I think MPI and PVM are must for VMS. Shame on DEQ for not  >supporting.  = PVM 3.1 for VMS/VAX+UCX exists (The actual version is 3.4.x).rC MPI for VMS is much more complicated because it is a huge package. w  D >Think about adding nodes to networked cluster. Which os would make H >it easier than VMS to add diskless nodes?                                ? About one year ago I have asked here in Info-VAX and got 3(!!)  F replies worldwide, that said OK, I need a message passing library for  VMS.  ' There is one point you must not forget:u  F Don't try to run message passing based programs via 10 Mbit Ethernet! ? So you cannot use VAX machines! How many Alphas do have a only i Standard-Ethernet build in?e  E This reduces the number of machines for massage passing applications v drastically.  # Nevertheless here is my "wishlist":   C 1.) A library, which is IP-socket-compatible and which use nothing , but the cluster-protocol.   B 2.) Remote-exec identical to rshell (input/output to and from the  master) within a cluster.k  B If there are people who say now: Oh dear, we are doing this since  18xx please post this solution.    Eberhard  O ===============================================================================l   Dr. Eberhard Heuser-Hofmanna Univ. Konstanz Fakultaet fuer Chemiek Universitaets-Strasse 10 D-78464 Konstanz Germany . Phone: +49-7531-88-2026, FAX: +49-7531-88-3139* email: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de  O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2000 16:42:15 GMTv2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: MPI for OpenVMS?1, Message-ID: <8es997$k9h@gap.cco.caltech.edu>   In article <009E9974.B6BCD370.543@CHCLU.CHEMIE.UNI-KONSTANZ.DE>, Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de> writes: >e$ >Nevertheless here is my "wishlist": >eD >1.) A library, which is IP-socket-compatible and which use nothing  >but the cluster-protocol.  J Yeah, I was thinking along the same lines, that MPI/PVM/etc. would likely K be a bit quicker if they ran through the lock manager or some other highly  I optimized cluster facility.   (Of course you couldn't add nonVMS compute e4 nodes then, but that's a bit of a mess in any case.)   > C >2.) Remote-exec identical to rshell (input/output to and from the u >master) within a cluster.  G I don't know about input, but output works that way now with TCP/IP, atn least from the command line: n  " $ rsh localhost dir/size login.com    Directory USRDISK:[USERS.MATHOG]   LOGIN.COM;1                7   Total of 1 file, 7 blocks.    K The other problem to address is process activation time.  Ignoring for the  J moment that creating a process on OpenVMS is relatively slow, there is an G even longer delay as MPI by default uses a series of rsh calls to startyH processes on the remote machine - one by one.  (There is a newer, fasterF mechanism, but I have not built a version of MPI on Unix which uses itK yet.)  Is there some way on OpenVMS to broadcast "do this on all nodes NOW"oI (especially if "this" is run a given image)?  Otherwise you could use thelF queue system.  Hmm, I know that with generic queues you can distributeJ jobs to a pool of remote execution queues, but there doesn't seem to be a I way to tell a single queue to send the SAME job to all N execution queues 1 at once?  (It runs as a local job on each node.) i  C I don't see a way to make RUN do this either.  You can send one joby at a time to each queue with  4 $ run  program.exe/on="NODE01"/detach/name="MPITEST"4 $ run  program.exe/on="NODE02"/detach/name="MPITEST"4 $ run  program.exe/on="NODE03"/detach/name="MPITEST"  2 but there's no "parallel" method, maybe like this:  G $ run program.exe/on=("NODE01","NODE02","NODE03")/detach/name="MPITEST"   H For a small number of nodes that would seem reasonable, but what if you H want to run the same job on all 75 nodes?  (Hey, a guy can dream!)  The Q command line might then become too long to execute.  Instead you'd probably want:   , $ run program.exe/on=*/detach/name="MPITEST"   Where "*" means all nodes.  J I guess though that you could easily enough have a little .com running on G each node continually monitoring a logical in LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE and  L starting jobs as appropriate.  This procedure could be started more slowly, F perhaps at boot time.  Put in a .01 second wait and the load should be
 negligible.  t  H The PPL$ calls looked like they might have been the way to go, but they  only work within a given node.  F So what's the best VMS specific way to start the same job on N-1 nodesK simultaneously in a cluster and set up open communications channels back to  the Nth node?   	  Regards,    David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduI? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 15:33:09 +0200v* From: Ferry Bolhar <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> Subject: NFS Server Problem 7 Message-ID: <957447201.627385@mozart.adv.magwien.gv.at>p   Hi all,   F I have a MicroVAX 3100-95 running OpenVMS V7.2 and DEC TCP/IP ServicesG (UCX) V4.2. I want to access files on this system via NFS from a remote G PC running FreeBSD V3.1. The PC accesses files on other systems via NFS0 as well, no problems.   H I can mount the NFS service on the FreeBSD system and can do an ls (DIR)E without problems. I can also read existing files and create new ones.FE However, when I try to access the contents of files on the VMS systemxC from a Perl Script or do a grep (SEARCH), the script/grep sometimes 7 hangs and I see this message in the NFS Server Logfile:   D %%%%%%%%%%%%  NFS$SERVER        4-MAY-2000 14:34:08.59  %%%%%%%%%%%%5 %UCX-E-NFS_PROGVS, invalid RPC program version number A -UCX-S-NFS_RPCHDR, xid = 4E891732  program = 100003  version = 3 S
 procedure = 0aF -UCX-S-NFS_CLIENT, uid=6  gid=0  host_name = pc02107.adv.magwien.gv.at  D This message appears several times, where xid has always a different value.  G The process on the FreeBSD system then goes into "D" (Dead) state whichh6 seems to be very similar to the good old RWAST on VMS.  G Can someone help me? Is there a patch for this? Or must the NFS servicen/ mounted on the FreeBSD system in a special way?   & MTIA for your help and kind greetings,   Ferryr --   Ing. Ferry Bolhar-Nordenkampf  Municipality of Vienna Municipality Department 14
 A-1010 Viennat E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.at*  : "Wenn hier einer schuld ist, dann immer nur der Computer."   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 08:43:01 -0400[ From: jamese@beast.dtsw.army.mil (Ed James, TCS Inc, 410-295-1919, ed.james@telecomsys.com)b  Subject: Re: OpenVMS disk space?0 Message-ID: <00050408430168@beast.dtsw.army.mil>  E helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) wrote on 3 May 2000 19:55:56 GMTy& in <8eq08c$81g$5@info.service.rug.nl>:  E > I think it is a good idea to have the big swap and page files on a  = > different disk, as it reduces the size of an /IMAGE backup.n  H If you do a "SET FILE /NOBACKUP" on the page and swap files, backup willH write out the structure of the files but not the contents. Then an imageC backup will be only slightly larger than otherwise. The contents ofr8 the page and swap files are not normally useable anyway.   HTH,  Ed  : Ed James                           ed.james@telecomsys.com5 TeleCommunications Systems, Inc.   voice 410-295-1919e5 275 West Street, Suite 400         fax   410-280-1094h Annapolis, MD 21401-1740   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 14:49:09 +0200j= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>?  Subject: Re: OpenVMS disk space?) Message-ID: <391171C5.3AD73B49@gtech.com>o   Marco Shaw wrote:aI > I have a system with only 300MB of disk space.  Will I be able to put a 0 > minimum Alpha OpenVMS 7.2 system on this disk?  
 I doubt that.   < How have you managed to get an Alpha with only 300 MB disk ?  ? (I thougth that they were always sold with at least 1 GB disks)t  M > Also, can I do a remote install (don't have a CD on the system) via regular- > ftp or tftp?  / I also thougt that all Alphas had a CD-drive !?n   Arne   ------------------------------  " Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:25:35 GMT- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>8  Subject: Re: OpenVMS disk space?( Message-ID: <39117A4E.C13BD0D5@ohio.edu>   Phillip Helbig wrote:D >  > D > I think it is a good idea to have the big swap and page files on a? > different disk, as it reduces the size of an /IMAGE backup.  n  G Page, dump, and swap files are typically marked "nobackup", which meansvC that the space they take up in the saveset is for their headers ande- directory entries only, no data is recorded. m   				RDPe   --  B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 14:45:40 +0200g= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>m Subject: Re: OpenVMS marketing) Message-ID: <391170F4.FC716681@gtech.com>-  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > Arne Vajhj wrote:: > > I think the keyword is "started" (past sense). The new6 > > big e-businesses that will enter the market in the6 > > next years will typical be existing big businesses= > > being e-bizzed. And many of the existing big e-businesses8 > > will be out of business. > 5 > Many of the new e-businesses have used their marketn; > capitalisation to buy "hard businesses" which they are in-- > turn e-bizzing, the best example being AOL.-  7 Yes. But that is not particular relevant for the topic.-  : > And you are right many of the existing e-businesses will9 > not survive, what you should not assume however is that_9 > this will stop new businesses entering the market. Some 9 > will be existing corporates re-marketing and channelingI7 > themselves via the Internet/e-media, but many will bef7 > new companies creating a new market for new products.e  / I have never said anything about not coming newt players.  9 I just say, that they will start big and a huge part will 2 be companies that are currently big in non-e-bizz.  0 > You also seem to missjudge the nature of a lot5 > of the e-businesses being created by large existing 5 > corporations. A lot of these new business divisions 9 > are very much like startups in their own right, many ofv/ > them foster a skunk works type mentality veryd2 > much at odds with the corporation who ownes them3 > because this is the nature of the new environment  > they operate in.  	 No no no.i  6 Today going e is usually done with direct support from; the board & CEO, with external consultants and incorporatedn in a corporate-wide strategy.d  4 They do not start by a few employees doing some work4 in their own spare-time. It is a part of the overall+ corporate strategies and treated like that.    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 10:36:03 -0400 , From: taterskins@patriot.net (Ramon L. Tate) Subject: Re: OpenVMS marketingD Message-ID: <taterskins-ya023480000405001036030001@news.patriot.net>  5 In article <391170F4.FC716681@gtech.com>, Arne Vajhjr <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote:   * > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: [snip]> 2 > > You also seem to missjudge the nature of a lot7 > > of the e-businesses being created by large existing 7 > > corporations. A lot of these new business divisionsu; > > are very much like startups in their own right, many ofk1 > > them foster a skunk works type mentality veryr4 > > much at odds with the corporation who ownes them5 > > because this is the nature of the new environmentm > > they operate in. >  > No no no.r > 8 > Today going e is usually done with direct support from= > the board & CEO, with external consultants and incorporatedi > in a corporate-wide strategy.o > 6 > They do not start by a few employees doing some work6 > in their own spare-time. It is a part of the overall- > corporate strategies and treated like that.h >  > Arne  I Yes, Arne, I completely agree with this latter statement. My youngest son,J has just completed an MBA at a well-known US university and has a good bitF of experience with IT strategy and planning in the corporate world. HeK states, and my 25+ years of experience in the IT biz corroborate this, thatsJ e-biz efforts emanate from the top down and are quite commonly planned andF implemented by consulting firms [he interned last summer at one of theI best] that research the market, plan the strategy, and increasingly offercJ the "hard" services as well. THESE firms are the ones that are now callingB the shots on what technologies to use, and if Compaq's "enterpriseK solutions", including VMS-based ones, are invisible to them, then they willrH never be chosen as the basis. In his (my son's) estimation, based on hisF own work experience and his conversations with quite a few upper-levelI managers in the IT and telecom world, VMS is considered dead or dying andiK will not be considered as the basis for any serious e-biz effort REGARDLESShF OF IT'S TECHNICAL SUPERIORITY (my emphasis). The bottom line: it's ALLK marketing, and the perception makes it so. If Compaq refuses to acknowledgewD that WRT VMS, VMS will never make any inroads into the e-biz market.   -- .
 Ramon L. Tatel	 Casa Maa = taterskins@patriot.net   "Skin" that "tater" before replying!t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 07:16:57 -04000" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>  Subject: Re: Perl links outdated8 Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20000504071245.01cebb00@24.8.96.48>  . At 09:32 PM 5/3/00 -0700, Peter Prymmer wrote:     >JF Mezei wrote: > K > > In trying to find the latest and greatest PERL distributiuon for VMS, IrL > > stumbled on he following sites that are supposed to contain what I want: > >o# > > ftp://genetics.upenn.edu/perl5//D > >         (from http://w4.lns.cornell.edu/~pvhp/perl/VMS.html#A3 ) > >e. > > http://www.sidhe.org/vmsperl/prebuilt.htmlH > >         (from http://www.perl.com/CPAN-local//ports/index.html#vms ) > >uL > > Unfortunatly, neither dns names can be resolved. Does anyone know where  > they > > have moved to ?e >aN >I am the author of the document at w4.lns.cornell.edu.   Unfortunately I haveM >relocated and that page remains as it was several years ago and is currentlyt >unmaintained.B >The pages of info at www.sidhe.org ought to be fairly up to date.4 >This evening I can resolve www.sidhe.org just fine: >p >Name:    www.sidhe.org  >Address:  24.8.96.48m  J www.sidhe.org was down for the better part of a week courtesy of my local G internet provider. I've got some things in DNS set suboptimally, so my iL secondary DNS server expired out my entries before I got back up. (Not that F you would've been able to get in anyway, but still...) It's back now, J though. genetics.upenn.edu's gone away, AFAIK. cor.newman.upenn.edu's the  current machine there.  I VMS is one of the base platforms for perl, so if you've got a C compiler aF and MMS or MMK you can build straight from the standard distribution. K ftp://ftp.cpan.org/src/latest.tar.gz or ftp://ftp.cpan.org/src/latest.zip, -H depending on what uncompressors you've got handy. (I'd take the .tar.gz  version personally):   					Dan  L ----------------------------------------------------------------------------L Dan Sugalski                          General and VMS-specific perl training
 dan@sidhe.orgM>                                       Mail me for more details   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 17:20:30 +0200- From: "Menno van Eck" <m.van.eck@philips.com>s& Subject: Pitch of the Margin bell Beep9 Message-ID: <957475502.392876@mmisg1.best.ms.philips.com>i  ? Installing VMS 7.1-2 on an AS800/500 I noticed the pitch of the J margin/warning bell for Motif X-applications on the local system was lowerB than I used to. I know the pitch is influenced by which version of SYS$IKBDRIVER.EXE is used.  K Does anyone have a clue how to change (higher) the pitch or maybe lower the0H volume of this bell. I get remarks of the users of the systems about it?  
 M. van Eck   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 13:04:44 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> 2 Subject: Re: Printing in Landscape - (Please help)( Message-ID: <3911675C.5064436@bbc.co.uk>   David Joe Gaunavou wrote:u  6 > I have tried printing in Landscape but unfortunately" > it came up with a error message.( > I am having problems with the library.1 > Please shed some light to this as I am abit newn > with the librarian utility.o( > I am not sure where I have gone wrong. >o > Thanks In Advance . Davids >e > Error message is as follows: > G > Printer queue HEAD$2100, idle, on NODEA::"1.1.1.1:9100", mounted formy > HP_LANDSCAPE (stock=A4) 4 >   <TCP Queue HP Laserjet Printer 2100 - 3rd Floor>A >   /BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FEED,FORM=HP_LANDSCAPE (stock=A4))w. > /LIBRARY=LANDSCAPE Lowercase /OWNER=[SYSTEM]H >   /PROCESSOR=UCX$TELNETSYM /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S) /RETAIN=ERROR >e6 >   Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  Status6 >   -----  -------         --------     ------  ------@ >     524  PRT             SYSTEM           3  Retained on errorE >        %PSM-E-MODNOTFND, library module !AS not found in record !UL=( >        -LBR-E-KEYNOTFND, key not foundJ >          Submitted  4-MAY-2000 14:18:41.24 /FORM=HP_LANDSCAPE (stock=A4) > /PRIORITY=1008) >          File: _DKB0:[SYSTEM]PRT.TEST;42? >          Completed  4-MAY-2000 14:18:46.81 on queue HEAD$2100n >eJ > ________________________________________________________________________J > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com  % Please post the output of the commandv  ( $ library/list sys$library:landscape.tlb   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uke  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofc MedAS or the BBC.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 10:41:38 -0400n1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>l" Subject: Re: Problem with UCX$BIND2 Message-ID: <39118C22.BFD7C76E@clarityconnect.com>   UCX V4.2 ECO 4 is now out.  _ http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/public/Readmes/vms/dec-axpvms-ucxeco_42_4-v0400--4.README   + You may need to cut & paste the above link./   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: > b > In article <20000503183509.57576.qmail@hotmail.com>, "Mike Patrick" <mfbnl1@hotmail.com> writes:. > >VMS 7.1-1H1; UCX 4.2 ECO 1; AS4100 & AS4000 > >iN > >I'm having a problem with bind on the above machines.  The UCX$BIND processN > >will run for between 5 minutes and 1 hour and then will get caught in a CPUO > >loop taking up 100% of one CPU.  I restart the process and the cycle repeatslN > >itself.  I've looked around on Compaq's web site with no luck.  Also on theM > >AS4100 I have a TP_SERVER process that is 100% CPU bound.  I'm new to bindaO > >so any information will be appreciated.  Let me know if more info is needed.e > @ > 1.) Upgrade to UCX V4.2 ECO 3 available at the COMPAQ web siteI > 2.) Stop the TP_SERVER if you don't need it. UCX/TCPIP doesn't need it.o8 >         Define SYS$DECDTM_INHIBIT TRUE in your startupF > 3.) After this and if the problem persists, you could drop me a lineI >         and I will check your BIND configuration (better do it offline)  >  > --> > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651= > Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888c> > FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH > <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANJ > A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"P > "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   -- ED Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2000 18:01:33 +0200g From: eplan@kapsch.net" Subject: Re: Problem with UCX$BIND* Message-ID: <39119edd$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  f In article <39118C22.BFD7C76E@clarityconnect.com>, "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> writes: >UCX V4.2 ECO 4 is now out. ` >http://ftp.support.compaq.com/patches/public/Readmes/vms/dec-axpvms-ucxeco_42_4-v0400--4.README >i, >You may need to cut & paste the above link.  G Yes, it's out. If you like to answer umpteen times "No" to the questionyG "Terminating is strongly recommended.  Do you want to terminate? [YES]"tH then you can also install ECO 4. I personally have not enough experienceG to already suggest ECO 4. My first feelings (see above) are not warm...h   -- h< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888-< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 01:33:28 -0700T1 From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US>w5 Subject: Re: Product News at a Glance, April 26, 2000e3 Message-ID: <3910D368.46F91186@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US>e   Terry C. Shannon wrote:g  M > To each his (or her) own. The presence or absence of a reference to OpenVMS C > in the annual report is not a criterion I would use when making aiK > buy/hold/sell decision. I'd rather see OpenVMS assert a higher profile in : > sales and marketing literature and in sales engagements.  L    I wouldn't use it as a sole criterion, it's just an indication of how theG management is squandering opportunities.  I also include the flat stockUL performance over the last year (there are much better places to put my moneyN though I have started to sell calls on my position), the terrible organizationG of their web site (impossible to find things), losing market share, the H over emphasis and continual pouring of resourses into their money-losingH corporate pc division (just drop it), their problems in moving toward a J direct sales model, the Altavista debacle, the shareholder law suits, etc. etc.  J    At the time of the Digital takeover, many thought that DECs technology,N long suffering in the market due to bad marketing, would enjoy more visibilityH with Compaq's purported marketing skills.  I think now it is safe to say that this was a false hope.:    4M > Still, it is interesting that the OS got no mention in the non-drab portion@N > of the annual report. Makes me think the annual report was crafted under the  > aegis of Compaq Classic folks.  J    It makes me think that most of the company doesn't know what technologyO they have, like the German Compaq sales droid mentioned in another post on thisg
 newsgroup.   --L Vance Haemmerle                         Internet   vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US2 Tucson, AZ                                        L http://condor.lpl.arizona.edu/~vance/   NSI-SPAN/HEPNET 47540::TOYVAX::VANCE   ------------------------------  " Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:47:21 GMT0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com>5 Subject: Re: Product News at a Glance, April 26, 2000 & Message-ID: <Fu1FA9.1FB@world.std.com>  > "Vance Haemmerle" <vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US> wrote in message- news:3910D368.46F91186@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US...  > Terry C. Shannon wrote:- >-G > > To each his (or her) own. The presence or absence of a reference to8 OpenVMSaE > > in the annual report is not a criterion I would use when making aeJ > > buy/hold/sell decision. I'd rather see OpenVMS assert a higher profile in< > > sales and marketing literature and in sales engagements. >iJ >    I wouldn't use it as a sole criterion, it's just an indication of how thegI > management is squandering opportunities.  I also include the flat stockaH > performance over the last year (there are much better places to put my moneyvC > though I have started to sell calls on my position), the terribleh organizationI > of their web site (impossible to find things), losing market share, the4J > over emphasis and continual pouring of resourses into their money-losingI > corporate pc division (just drop it), their problems in moving toward ahL > direct sales model, the Altavista debacle, the shareholder law suits, etc. > etc. >i <snip> > L >    It makes me think that most of the company doesn't know what technologyL > they have, like the German Compaq sales droid mentioned in another post on this > newsgroup.  < I think that's a reasonable (albeit unfortunate) assumption.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 05:00:56 -0400=0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>! Subject: RMS indexed file cleanupo/ Message-ID: <39113C46.B32E5CB8@vl.videotron.ca>   	 Question:m  K If an application adds records to an indexed file, then deletes all recordsi7 from it, and adds more, deletes all of them etc etc ...   C In such an application, does the indexed file still require regularjN reorganisation, or does the file become "like new" every time all records have been deleted ?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 11:26:30 +0200B From: "Hermann Reisenbauer" <hermann.reisenbauer@at.origin-it.com>% Subject: Re: RMS indexed file cleanupeY Message-ID: <0E16861EE7BCD111BE9400805FE6841F0FCA904D@c1s5x001.cor.srvfarm.origin-it.com>i  K If you delete and insert records or only modify alternate key values of RMSiJ files it needs regular reorganisation. (Stop Application, CONVERT/FDL ..., Start Application)  I For our non-stop 7*24h applications we have I/O-routines that are able toa7 reorganize RMS files during work. For more info mail to % hermann.reisenbauer@at.origin-it.com.u    D JF Mezei schrieb in Nachricht <39113C46.B32E5CB8@vl.videotron.ca>...
 >Question: >iL >If an application adds records to an indexed file, then deletes all records8 >from it, and adds more, deletes all of them etc etc ... > D >In such an application, does the indexed file still require regularJ >reorganisation, or does the file become "like new" every time all records have >been deleted ?    ------------------------------  " Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 13:44:45 GMT9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)n% Subject: Re: RMS indexed file cleanup + Message-ID: <ZN7FNyFFa7Ox@eisner.decus.org>i  b In article <39113C46.B32E5CB8@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: > Question:r > M > If an application adds records to an indexed file, then deletes all recordse9 > from it, and adds more, deletes all of them etc etc ...  > E > In such an application, does the indexed file still require regularwP > reorganisation, or does the file become "like new" every time all records have > been deleted ?  J If you create your files with Prolog level 3, they require reorganization.= If you create them with an earlier Prolog level, they do not.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 14:47:16 +0200r= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>S2 Subject: Re: Test discs for RRD40 and RRD50 drives) Message-ID: <39117153.B49C9DB8@gtech.com><   Richard Jordan wrote:oI > I've located (in dead storage here at work) a couple of RRD test discs.UG > One of them (p/n 30-23507-03, rev C) has RRD40 testdisc etched in the F > hub area.  The other (p/n 30-23507-02, rev A) looks quite different,J > has the digital logo but made by Polygram, fully mirrored (no clear areaE > in the hub) and has 'SATAN-2-9022894 032 01' etched in the hub areayE > plus some (what look like) hand engraved very small letters (NF andm > YE, with the E backwards). > I > Is it possible the second disc is the one for an RRD50?  The RRD50 docs G > I have reference a test disc, but no part number is given.  If anyone 5 > happens to know I'd like to hear about it.  Thanks!e   What does it do ?   F One simple way to test a CD drive is to burn a CD in ODS-2 format withA a huge-datafile and a small program that reads that datafile overeG and over (while continiously displaying transfer-rate and error-count).a   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 07:41:09 GMTi From: ralf_neerfeld@my-deja.comp' Subject: Re: VAXStation 3100 boot diskst) Message-ID: <8er9ij$6nd$1@nnrp1.deja.com>y  - In article <38f089d2.1813210@news.xs4all.nl>,,%   stefan@softhome.net (Stefan) wrote:t? > Are there any disks out there with which I can at least get atG > VAXStation 3100 to do SOMETHING ?? Because I have about 4 of them and E > I wanted to install NetBSD on them but I cant boot from disk (yet).  >wD > So any software that you know of is welcome, even if its just some > simple demo kinda thing. >p > yours, >i	 > Stefan.n >   
 Hello Stefan,e  . i am not sure if your problem is like mine ...H I tried to get a non dec scsi disk to work in a vaxstation esp. to boot.H Most disks i got, cant boot the vax, becuase some disk parameters aren'tA set correctly for the vax. i had to change things like disk errorn' posting behavings and things like that.o3 if you think you have the same problem, mail to me.I2 i will sort my papers, which parameters i changed.3 please excuse ... i am not a native english writer.o  ! please mail to "ralf@neerfeld.de"T   Ralf    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 14:59:48 GMTb% From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com>-? Subject: Re: VMS Fibre channel connectivity with 3rd party disku) Message-ID: <8es38p$22o$1@nnrp1.deja.com>i  5 In article <UcZP4.11171$Kv2.32454@quark.idirect.com>,0)   mkwan@idirect.com (Michael Kwan) wrote:e( > Uwe Zessin (zessin@my-deja.com) wrote:+ > : In article <2000Apr26.150156.1@eisner>,t3 > :   kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org (Bob Kaplow) wrote:e5 > : > In article <Pine.BSI.4.00.10004251940080.14953-n5 > : 100000@hometown.idirect.com>, "Michael Kwan, GCN"  <mkwan@idirect.com> writes:lD > : > > I am not sure if this has been asked before. I am working to< > : > > connect some non-Compaq (non-DEC) disk array to VMS. > : > >/G > : > > I have the KGPSA-BY Fibre channel HBA on my AS8400, and connecte% > : > > the disk array via a switch .  >eG > : Hm. -BY is the part number of just the board. The full order number < > : (incl. manual) for the 32-bit adapter is called KGPSA-BC1 > : (or 380574-001 in the idiotic Compaq system).i >.B > Indeed, the FC HBA card is  indeed KGPSA-BC (380574-001), I haveF > installed the Fibre channel tima kit form the COmpaq ftp site, v02003 > (actually this is the latest version of tima kit)  > A > : > > The strange thing is, I can see these drives at the ALphap consoleIB > : > > (v5.6) mode using SHOW DEVICE, ( $1$DRA250m $1$DRA300 etc) >v > : More strange things:/ > : 1) FC-connected disks are named "$1$DGAu:".eG > : 2) You don't see FC-connected disks on the console level unless youuE > :    explicitly configure them via 'wwidmgr' for boot/dump support.n >h! > It was a typo, it is $1$DGAnnn:fG > and I did used 'wwidmgr' to set the FC device as boot device, and caniG > at the Alpha console SHOW DEVICE beable to see the device Ihave setups > in 'wwidmgr' >tA > : > > but after I booted up VMS (v7.2-1 with latest FC tima kite3 > : > > v0200), I can't see any of these FC drives.y > ( > : OpenVMS requires that on the HSG-80:) > : 1) the command console lun is enabled-$ > : 2) SCSI-VERSION is set to SCSI-3) > : 3) each LUN is assigned an identifierg >aE > You see this is the problem (I think), since I  don't have a HSG80,tD > my array has the controllor built in, so I can't so the things you > suggested.  > Any ways to get around that ??   Sorry, I have no idea.  G > : > > I looked through quite a bit of Compaq/DEC documentation, theresD > : > > is no mention of the need to do any configuration on the VMSG > : > > side, however, the DEC docs always refer to the HSG80, which insG > : > > my case, I don't have, since I am attaching to a non-DEC array.f > : > >DH > : > > Am I missing something? Any insight would be deeply appreciated. > : > H > : > Both at his DECUS presentation, and at a recent local FibrechannelF > : > presentation late last year, Richie Lary made it VERY CLEAR thatA > : > interoperability just does not exist in todays FibrechannellG > : > products, especially in switches. Are you at least using a Compaqg
 > : > switch?. >4F > : Is that really a Fabric-switch? Gadzoox, f.ex. produces a 'switch' toF > : connect arbitrated-loop ports together (so-called switched loops).6 > : They just some days ago announced fabric services. >tF > : In recent Alpha console revisions you can switch the KGPSA between& > : FC_AL and fabric at console level. > G > I have used the Brocade SilkWorm 2800 switch, and I think the same as G > what COmpaq is recommeding to customers (Compaq FC switch is OEM form(E > Brocade SW2800), however, I am not if Compaq has different firmwareB2 > in its switches that  is different with Brocade!  C Yes, Compaq sells the SilkWorm 2800 as the 'SAN SWITCH 16'. I don'tRD beleive they have Compaq-specific firmware, although, if you want toE do a true multivendor SAN you'll find our that different vendows will * only support different firmware levels :-(   Bob Kaplow is right:- that level of compatibility isn't there, yet!-@ (I am not even talking about storage subsystem compatibility...)   --
 Uwe Zessin    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.O   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 09:14:01 +0100 From: nclews@csc.com Subject: Re: VXT2000 question86 Message-ID: <002568D5.0032FADD.00@uk-fbr10.eu.csc.com>   Hello, thanks for the reply ---_8 (this reply is using Noes, apologies for the formatting)         M.A.Jackson replies:   >>J >> I have been playing with a VXT 2000 as well. I managed to get the thing >> up to 18MB of memory,  B >    Yes, but does it show 18MB both when you do a >>> SHOW CONFIGG >    _and_ also in the "Total Memory" field of Terminal Manger->Session@% >    ->Status->System Configuration ?o  8 Yes it does, 18305 KB and the self test bar shows 18 MB.      4 >> I replaced the 2MB sims (3 of them) with PC style  E >    I was told categorically by a tech that PC SIMM (that's two MMs)l) >    won't work, only MS200BA and MS400BAg  M Spelling was never my strong point. Believing everything a 'techy' says to mepL is another ! I just thought I'd try it, I had a 'little insider info' on the. basic memory speed and config requirements....     >>J >> I had to use the T/UTIL 1 to clear old the old contents before it wouldK >> boot as well. Be aware there are several VXT images, one trick you might12 >> like to try, is find the largest VXT*.SYS file,  & >    No, not necessarily the largest:- > ! >$ ls -l /usr/tftpboot/vxt/imageso >total 9912iC >-rw-r--r--   1 a212996  users/xc 5056000 Feb 14  1997 vxt021kt.sys A >-r--r--r--   1 a212996  users/xc 5069824 Jan  6  1994 vxt021.sysi >lC >    The last and final revision of V2.1, revision K, test edition,eD >    never made it to release but it is certainly smaller than V2.1.F >    Others managed to get up to V2.1H from their maintenance channelsD >    with DEC.  Either boot from them and see what version they showF >    or do a strings (or equivalent) on them if you have more than oneM >    version and are     in any doubt would be the advice I would have given.t  K We used to have that patch on a tape, but it appeared that someone long ago J needed the DAT tape it came on, and overwrote it. I'd like to get my handsL on the latest copy. Of the VXT images I have seen there are some small sizedL ones and one about 4-5 times bigger, I was only basing my assumption on whatH I discovered. By default the smaller VXTLDR image appears to load, which4 does ... ? (No documentation or personal experience)  E The one I am using is 5069824 bytes big, I assume dated from Jan 1994 : (per your date above) but I don't know what version it is.     >> and put it where it isk >> trying to load from,u  0 >    MOM$LOAD or UCX$TFTPBOOT, just for example. >.4 >> until you've completed any definitions in the NCPH >> database. I think it also needs at very least 10 MB of memory to boot >> up.  @ I copied it to MOM$LOAD, then in NCP you define the load file as0 vxt$library:filename.sys for the VXT (under VMS)    B >    Yes for host-based with no XIE installed.  But 12MB with XIE.' >    4MB/6MB server-based respectively.l    D >    Sorry, the original poster's message had aged for me to be able >    to reply to him directly.  + ... and I copied the list so it's complete.E  I As background I have no VXT documentation, I just sussed it out from infooM I scavenged from the web, and observed behaviour from a system that had VXT'sr attached  K Thanks for the response, I'm responding and copying to the list so that thea  1 information ends up being archived for posterity!O      J (Mr. Jackson, if you reply and want me to copy to the list on your behalf,  ) please let me know in the reply, thanks.)r   Regards, Nic Clews   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 14:55:48 +0800l! From: Wayne Yung <iswayne@ust.hk>W' Subject: Web-enabling VMS reporting ...0& Message-ID: <39111EF4.373F133D@ust.hk>  D I am looking for some web-enabling VMS reporting utilities which canD convert the standard ASCII VMS reports to web-enabled reports.  Does anyone have idea about that ?,  C REPORT.WEB has claimed itself with such capability, but till now, In! cannot get a copy of that to try.   
 Thank you.   Wayne.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 07:46:54 -0400n. From: Michael Austin <maustin@nc.prestige.net>+ Subject: Re: Web-enabling VMS reporting ... / Message-ID: <3911632E.4358062E@nc.prestige.net>   , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------E31F2E078FB985FCA920AE86* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitw   Wayne,  H As a consultant, I have developed a web reporting tool that does exactlyA this, however, because of the very nature of this tool it must beaB customized to fit your environment.  And because I am a consultantF making a living by developing these types of applications, it would be# difficult for me to "give it away".l  
 VMS Versrion?,D Are you currently running a web server on your VMS box? If so, which one?D This is necessary because they don't all do the CGI environments the	 same way.   A The  report viewer tool was designed for a company that generatese> 42,000+ report (ASCII Text) files per month and allows you to:  G select a directory (actually multiple logicals pointing to directories)e( RPT_DIR1   =  somedisk:[some.dir.subdir]; specify a file within the directory (wildcard if necessary)i
 some*.*txt  G Next you are presented with a dropdown box to select the exact file youhF wish to view along with radio buttons on how you want to view the file which allows you too:   " Display the file if less than 4Mb.@ Page through the file 600 lines at a time if  > 4Mb  (requires a- freeware tool called EXTRACT on VAX or ALPHA),8 Display only the last <user definable> lines of the fileH Search the file for various text. with a window (default is (3,3) but is user definable" Download the file to your desktop.  E The paging utility was develped because some of the generated reports G were as large as 150-200Mb each  (1.5-2 Million  132 character lines ). C The files are displayed in exactly the same format as they would beoB printed.   I am in the process of having a website set up that canG demonstrate the capabilities... If your environment is a Unix platform,t' I have the same tool available as well.s  ( Please contact me if you are interested.   Michael Austin DBA/WEB/Sys Admin Consultant     Wayne Yung wrote:n  F > I am looking for some web-enabling VMS reporting utilities which canF > convert the standard ASCII VMS reports to web-enabled reports.  Does > anyone have idea about that ?h >pE > REPORT.WEB has claimed itself with such capability, but till now, I.# > cannot get a copy of that to try.e >i > Thank you. >  > Wayne.  & --------------E31F2E078FB985FCA920AE86- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;c  name="maustin.vcf"r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitt, Content-Description: Card for Michael Austin  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="maustin.vcf"i   begin:vcard  n:Austin;Michael i tel;work:704-947-1089s x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Michael Austin, Inct
 adr:;;;;;; version:2.1s+ email;internet:michaelaustininc@hotmail.coms title:President) x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Michael E. Austin	 end:vcards  ( --------------E31F2E078FB985FCA920AE86--   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 14:53:08 +0200t= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> + Subject: Re: Web-enabling VMS reporting ...o) Message-ID: <391172B3.282ECA1D@gtech.com>    Wayne Yung wrote:aF > I am looking for some web-enabling VMS reporting utilities which canF > convert the standard ASCII VMS reports to web-enabled reports.  Does > anyone have idea about that ?d   What is the problem ?D   If you:.#   - install any HTTP-server for VMSn<   - create a 5 line DCL CGI-script that displays a text-file   what do you miss ?   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 14:20:26 GMTn From: jgessling@yahoo.coml+ Subject: Re: Web-enabling VMS reporting ...h) Message-ID: <8es0up$va4$1@nnrp1.deja.com>o  ) In article <391172B3.282ECA1D@gtech.com>,-@   Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote: > Wayne Yung wrote:aH > > I am looking for some web-enabling VMS reporting utilities which canH > > convert the standard ASCII VMS reports to web-enabled reports.  Does  A Check out the WASD server example script show.com.  For a minimuml you can do:a   $ say = "write sys$output" $ say "Content-Type: text/html"i $ say ""
 $ say "<PRE>"  $ type your_file_nameo  D From there, get as fancy as you like.  We have a standard header andF trailer so all the pages look similar.  So our scripts look more like:  # $ @ht_root:[script_local]header.comi
 $ say "<PRE>"h $ type your_file_name8 $ say "</PRE>"$ $ @ht_root:[script_local]trailer.com   Jim       & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2000 15:43:19 GMTl2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)+ Subject: Re: Web-enabling VMS reporting ...i, Message-ID: <8es5qn$k9h@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  J In article <39111EF4.373F133D@ust.hk>, Wayne Yung <iswayne@ust.hk> writes: > E >I am looking for some web-enabling VMS reporting utilities which can:E >convert the standard ASCII VMS reports to web-enabled reports.  Doesi >anyone have idea about that ? >l  J It was unclear from your post if you want to trigger the creation of theseK reports through a web interface or if you only want to disseminate existing F reports, perhaps generated automatically at certain time points?  The H former would require some scripting, but the latter does not.  Just makeE sure the name of each ASCII report ends in ".txt" and leave them in ao8 directory on your web server (or even an FTP server.)      Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edut? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech -   ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2000 17:15:27 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)+ Subject: Re: Web-enabling VMS reporting ...R6 Message-ID: <8esb7f$mfv$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  J In article <39111EF4.373F133D@ust.hk>, Wayne Yung <iswayne@ust.hk> writes:E :I am looking for some web-enabling VMS reporting utilities which can0E :convert the standard ASCII VMS reports to web-enabled reports.  DoesA :anyone have idea about that ?  D   It takes about ten minutes to make most any ASCII OpenVMS display E   visible by webserver, and only slightly longer to accept input via  G   the webserver.  CGI scripts -- based on images, DCL procedures, Perl EG   scripts, etc -- are simple to create, once you understand the basics. F   You can have CGI scripts that present the desired information in as 4   simple or as fancy a display format as you want...  I   Shameless plug alert: There is a DCL CGI chapter in the second edition  +   of the Writing Real Programs in DCL book.a  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2000 17:21:49 GMTM2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)+ Subject: Re: Web-enabling VMS reporting ...i6 Message-ID: <8esbjd$mfv$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  J In article <39111EF4.373F133D@ust.hk>, Wayne Yung <iswayne@ust.hk> writes: : E :I am looking for some web-enabling VMS reporting utilities which canEE :convert the standard ASCII VMS reports to web-enabled reports.  DoesB :anyone have idea about that ?     Also:   H   http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/mgmt_agents/index.htmlG   http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/internetnetworks.html#downloadf  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 10:29:57 +0100, From: andy@templeman.org.uk (Andy Templeman): Subject: Re: Where is the lexical f$getjpi("","Connectim"): Message-ID: <1ea3r6h.1j0u2xja4xdpqN%andy@templeman.org.uk>  > Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote:  C > Getting PIPE command stream output into a symbol is child's play..   Go on then, give me a clue.e  % I've been trying all kinds of things.-   [cc'd since the thread is old]   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 11:26:10 GMTc= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)2: Subject: Re: Where is the lexical f$getjpi("","Connectim")0 Message-ID: <009E9922.7B8C32E8@SendSpamHere.ORG>  i In article <1ea3r6h.1j0u2xja4xdpqN%andy@templeman.org.uk>, andy@templeman.org.uk (Andy Templeman) writes:a? >Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote:i >BD >> Getting PIPE command stream output into a symbol is child's play. >l >Go on then, give me a clue. > & >I've been trying all kinds of things. >  >[cc'd since the thread is old]o  J If I recall correctly, this was the tread asking about the connect time of
 a process?  K Regardless, here's an example of placing the connect time into a DCL symboly9 along with a few editting functions JUST to get the time.t   $ PIPE SHOW PROC/ACCOUNTING | -    SEARCH SYS$PIPE "connect" | - ;   (READ SYS$PIPE $TMP$ ; DEFINE/JOB/NOLOG $TMP$ &$TMP$) ; - P   CONNECT_TIME == F$edit(F$trnlnm("$TMP$"),"TRIM,COMPRESS")-"Connect time: " ; -   DEASSIGN/JOB $TMP$ $i  A Of course, you can't get the connect time of the main process. :(s   The portion of the command:k  ;   (READ SYS$PIPE $TMP$ ; DEFINE/JOB/NOLOG $TMP$ &$TMP$) ; -aP   CONNECT_TIME == F$edit(F$trnlnm("$TMP$"),"TRIM,COMPRESS")-"Connect time: " ; -   DEASSIGN/JOB $TMP$  . however, can be simplified with SYMBOL to read     SYMBOL/SET CONNECT_TIMEd     --N VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001           VAXman@TMESIS.COM  L GNU Freeware -- What does the GNU *really* stand for?  Garbage!  Not Usable!   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 07:31:47 -0700a5 From: "Larry D Bohan, Jr" <LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com>e: Subject: Re: Where is the lexical f$getjpi("","Connectim")2 Message-ID: <LYkROY+4qKb5lDW+Xib3SnU5ktBk@4ax.com>  @ On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 01:37:22 GMT, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote:   @ >If you attempt to look at the master process, you'd likely get: >CN >$ PIPE SHOW PROCESS/ACCOUNT/IDENT='F$getjpi("","MASTER_PID") | TYPE SYS$PIPE * >%SYSTEM-F-SUSPENDED, process is suspended  * this approach *seems* to work fine here.    1 why should we expect to see the "-F-SUSPENDED"  ?  inquiring minds,  and all that.v   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 16:14:41 +0100, From: andy@templeman.org.uk (Andy Templeman): Subject: Re: Where is the lexical f$getjpi("","Connectim"): Message-ID: <1ea45w6.iynra41wawj3gN%andy@templeman.org.uk>  > Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote:   [snip] > > >   (READ SYS$PIPE $TMP$ ; DEFINE/JOB/NOLOG $TMP$ &$TMP$) ; - ) >   CONNECT_TIME == F$trnlnm("$TMP$") ; -n >   DEASSIGN/JOB $TMP$ >   A This is what I wanted. I hadn't fully understood the subshell andt sequential operation bits.   Thanks.y    0 > however, can be simplified with SYMBOL to read >  >   SYMBOL/SET CONNECT_TIMEr   Is this commercial software?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 16:55:19 GMTo= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)r: Subject: Re: Where is the lexical f$getjpi("","Connectim")0 Message-ID: <009E9950.76DEF667@SendSpamHere.ORG>  j In article <LYkROY+4qKb5lDW+Xib3SnU5ktBk@4ax.com>, "Larry D Bohan, Jr" <LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com> writes:A >On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 01:37:22 GMT, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (BrianC  >Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote: >mA >>If you attempt to look at the master process, you'd likely get:  >>O >>$ PIPE SHOW PROCESS/ACCOUNT/IDENT='F$getjpi("","MASTER_PID") | TYPE SYS$PIPE  + >>%SYSTEM-F-SUSPENDED, process is suspendedA >W+ >this approach *seems* to work fine here.  s >i2 >why should we expect to see the "-F-SUSPENDED"  ?  >inquiring minds,  and all that. >f >e  * You're telling me that this works for you?  E $ PIPE SHOW PROCESS/ACCOUNTING/ID='F$getjpi("","PID") | TYPE SYS$PIPE  $r9 $ PIPE SHOW PROCESS/ACCOUNTING/ID='F$getjpi("","PID") | -m   SEARCH SYS$PIPE "connect" | - =   ( READ SYS$PIPE $TMP$ ; DEFINE/JOB/NOLOG $TMP$ &$TMP$ ) ; - P   CONNECT_TIME == F$edit(F$trnlnm("$TMP$"),"TRIM,COMPRESS")-"Connect time: " ; -   DEASSIGN/JOB $TMP$ & $ SHOW SYMBOL CONNECT_TIME     --N VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001           VAXman@TMESIS.COM  L GNU Freeware -- What does the GNU *really* stand for?  Garbage!  Not Usable!   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.249 ************************