1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 06 May 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 252       Contents: AlphaServer GS Series Webcast  Re: And they wonder why !! Re: And they wonder why !!% Re: Compaq still seen as a PC company ( Re: External authentication in a cluster
 faster gunzip 3 Re: File Extensions (was Re: Marketing opportunity) 3 Re: File Extensions (was Re: Marketing opportunity) ' FILESERV@WKU: Updated MGFTP, FTP_MIRROR  Forbes article on M. Dell  Re: Forbes article on M. Dell % Get/set console enviornment variables - Re: How get the internal system temperature ? - Re: How get the internal system temperature ? $ Independant test: DS10 vs Athlon 850( Re: Independant test: DS10 vs Athlon 850* Re: Mailbox and synchronization in OpenVMS* Re: Mailbox and synchronization in OpenVMS Re: Marketing opportunity  Re: Marketing opportunity  Re: Marketing opportunity  RE: Marketing opportunity  Re: Marketing opportunity  Re: Marketing opportunity  Re: Marketing opportunity  Re: Marketing opportunity  Re: Marketing opportunity  Re: Marketing opportunity  RE: Marketing opportunity , Re: Memo:  Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it! OPCOM  Re: OpenVMS marketing ! Re: Pitch of the Margin bell Beep 0 Protection Measures (Was: Marketing opportunity)+ Re: System wide mail filters?  ("ILOVEYOU") + Re: System wide mail filters?  ("ILOVEYOU")  the latest billybox virus  Re: the latest billybox virus  Re: the latest billybox virus  Re: the latest billybox virus  Re: the latest billybox virus  Re: the latest billybox virus  RE: the latest billybox virus  RE: the latest billybox virus  Re: the latest billybox virus  RE: the latest billybox virus  Re: the latest billybox virus  Re: the latest billybox virus  Re: the latest billybox virus  RE: Tivoli Agent for VMS?  UCX Problem  Re: VEST, last version...  Re: VXT2000 question$ Re: Wanted: VT525 programmers manual$ Re: Wanted: VT525 programmers manual$ Re: Wanted: VT525 programmers manual" Re: Web-enabling VMS reporting ... Where (what) is CMS$ROUTINES.H" Re: Where (what) is CMS$ROUTINES.H  Which is the language of VAX/VMS$ Re: Which is the language of VAX/VMS  Which is the language of VAX/VMS$ Re: Which is the language of VAX/VMS  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2000 22:07:07 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)& Subject: AlphaServer GS Series Webcast6 Message-ID: <8evgmb$4l4$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  F   For those with a compatible media player and an interest in viewing ?   the webcast of the Compaq AlphaServer GS series announcement:   )     http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/gs/   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:36:16 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> # Subject: Re: And they wonder why !! ( Message-ID: <8ev7o5$3ei$1@pyrite.mv.net>  9 Terry C. Shannon <shannon@world.std.com> wrote in message   news:Fu3L9L.Hr9@world.std.com... > 4 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message$ > news:8ev03g$pkc$1@pyrite.mv.net...   ...   I > > The fact remains that most of the costs associated with W2K (both 32-  and A > > 64-bit) on Alpha had already been incurred at the time of the  > cancellation, K > > and that a significant portion of the remaining costs were still spent, E > > since Compaq continued to aid 64-bit W2K development on the Alpha  platformF > > after the product was killed (and may well still be doing so).  SoE > > cancelling the product seems to have saved little but advertising  > expenses, J > > which simply could have been cut back without stranding existing users and 1 > > tossing the side-benefits into the trash can.  > I > Precious little was done on the advertising front, but such is the case  withG > all things Alpha-related. My objective was not to contradict what you  said, E > but the fact remains that there were additional expenses of varying  amounts.E > F'rinstance: Recall that DECpaq had to pay u$oft a royalty on every L > NT-capable (vice actually running NT) Alpha system that went out the door.D > And if memory serves me correctly, CPQ had to pony up Big Bucks to persuade@ > u$oft to port the Office suite (or portions thereof) to Alpha. > G > IMHO u$oft did not play fair, but what else is new. u$oft desperately  wantedG > NT to run on WildFire (and it did, by the way...) but only as a proof  point D > for Win2K in the enterprise. When the decision was made to scuttle AlphaNT,I > Microsoft reiterated its request (which is why Win64 lived for six days K > longer than AlphaNT). Compaq said "sure, we can do that... it'll cost you  > X."   I Accepting the factual nature of that narrative, that would seem to be the I precise point at which Compaq bit off its nose to spite its face:  Compaq I had at least as much to gain from 64-bit W2K on Wildfire (and other Alpha D systems) as MS did (and in both cases the value was at least as muchL symbolic as real), and negotiating a *fair* agreement (for a change), ratherA than moving beyond that to a punitive one, would have made sense.    - bill   > L > To which u$oft responded: YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND! WE ARE MICROSOFT. WE DON'T# > PAY OUR "PARTNERS*" FOR ANYTHING.  > & > At which point CPQ said, "see ya..." > I > Whatever, there's a book in this debacle. I won't write it alone, but I F > wouldn't mind collaborating with an author who's favorably inclined. > 	 > cheers,  > 	 > terry s L > Not an apologist for CPQ, just the owner of a defunct Personal Workstation > 433a.  > , > *Microsoft Business Partner = organ donor. >  > > 
 > > - bill > >  > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2000 13:42:36 -0700 * From: dunnett@mala.bc.ca (Malcolm Dunnett)# Subject: Re: And they wonder why !! , Message-ID: <CwiUgYrr55EP@malvm2.mala.bc.ca>  ' In article <Fu3L9L.Hr9@world.std.com>,  6     "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com> writes: > M > And if memory serves me correctly, CPQ had to pony up Big Bucks to persuade @ > u$oft to port the Office suite (or portions thereof) to Alpha. > F    That should have been a huge red flag right there. Why should it beG expensive to move application code between the same OS on two different K platforms? If the people who wrote the Operating system couldn't figure out L how to easily port applications between the platforms what chance would mere
 mortals have?   N > IMHO u$oft did not play fair, but what else is new. u$oft desperately wantedM > NT to run on WildFire (and it did, by the way...) but only as a proof point M > for Win2K in the enterprise. When the decision was made to scuttle AlphaNT, I > Microsoft reiterated its request (which is why Win64 lived for six days K > longer than AlphaNT). Compaq said "sure, we can do that... it'll cost you  > X."   F    Were there perhaps also forces in Compaq who wanted a certain 8-way> Intel based system to be the "best NT platform Compaq offers"?   ------------------------------  " Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 22:31:22 GMT2 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars2 (Bob Kaplow). Subject: Re: Compaq still seen as a PC company+ Message-ID: <J+GM2biiPHzZ@eisner.decus.org>   a In article <8ek7hq$5cm@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:  > Quote: > K >   We have to stretch the brand,'' Compaq Chief Executive Michael Capellas E >   told reporters after the company's annual shareholders meeting in : >   Houston. ''We must move the PC name into the high end. > L > Roughly speaking, that's like Hyundai buying Rolls Royce and then desiringF > to stretch the Hyundai brand into the luxury space.  Problem is, theF > original brand has associated with it a reputation for an unreliableI > product, which nobody in the new target market is going to value. Don't M > know about you folks, but when I think "Compaq PC" I think "average to poor M > product with average support."  Ie, hardly what I want to put into the data L > center!  This isn't from firsthand usage of Compaq PCs but is based on theM > PC magazine user's survey's which have consistently turned up that result.   > See, for instance:   > E >   http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/stories/reviews/0,6755,2278817,00.html  > I > Compaq PCs score no higher than locally built clones for Office use and M > lower than clones for Home use.  (Which speaks volumes about the quality of K > the Q's home machines.) Perhaps MC has not quite figured out that Dell is M > eating Compaq's lunch not only because of direct sales, but because they're D > selling a better product.  Elsewhere in the Cnet article it says:  > Q >    Compaq has lost market share in commercial PCs to rival Dell Computer Corp.  F >    in recent months.  Corporate PC sales fell 7 percent in the firstI >    quarter to $2.9 billion on an operating loss of $19 million,  from a & >    profit of $24 million a year ago. > J > So, as usual, MC seems to have it backwards.  Rather than trying to do aJ > "have data center reliability on your desk" sort or campaign, where theyL > try to spin the reputation for quality of the upper end machines down intoM > the PC market, they're trying to spin the (worthless) brand identity upward H > into the data center market.  Dell could stretch their brand identity L > upward this way, but Compaq can't.  I wonder how many sales they are goingI > to lose because the guy they're pitching to had spent 3 hours the night H > before on the phone with Q service trying to get his kid's home CompaqI > machine working.  On second thought, maybe not that many, because those ; > folks probably know better than to buy a Compaq home PC!    G Meanwhile, Q has thrown away two perfectly good high end brand names in K Tandem and Digital. Tandem IS non stop computing. DEC was the first .com on I the internet. Compaq is just a pc clone vendor, and no longer a good one.   J I've never owned a Compaq PC at home, but I am a very unsatisfied owner ofK an HP computer, printer, and scanner, which have NEVER worked together from L day 1. It gives me more grief each month than my 18 year old PDP-11s have in@ their lifetime. That does carry over into my work preferences...   	Bob Kaplow	  E SPAM:	spamrecycle@ChooseYourmail.com	uce@ftc.gov	postmaster@127.0.0.1    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 18:16:53 GMT " From: falk@arc.ab.ca (Alfred Falk)1 Subject: Re: External authentication in a cluster 2 Message-ID: <8F2B7507Ffalkarcabca@205.233.108.180>  7 karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) wrote in + <5MAY00.16221819@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>:    ; >In a previous article, falk@arc.ab.ca (Alfred Falk) wrote:  > G >->I've been testing out external authentication, and am having trouble  >->with non-pathworks nodes. >-> = >->16:21:30.83: %SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHID, unknown rights identifier  > F >Just guessing here. Is there a shared UAF? If not, does user Z_TESTER! >have the same UIC on both nodes?   B Thanks for your response.  Since posting here, I have received theI solution from Compaq.  I turns out that there is a logical that needs to   be defined on the VAX node: 2     	$ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC PWRK$ACME_SERVER scsnodeG where "scsnode" is the node name of the cluster member running Advanced  Server. F (There is absolutely no mention of this logical in the documentation.)  @ ----------------------------------------------------------------A   A L B E R T A         Alfred Falk               falk@arc.ab.ca  @ R E S E A R C H         Information Systems Dept   (780)450-5185+   C O U N C I L         250 Karl Clark Road 1                         Edmonton, Alberta, Canada  http://www.arc.ab.ca/   T6N 1E4   http://www.arc.ab.ca/staff/falk/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 18:42:58 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: faster gunzip6 Message-ID: <200005051843_MC2-A3F4-5DC@compuserve.com>  H         This question, about C I/O performance, has come up periodicallyJ over the years.  One of the most memorable replies was written, I believe= ,  by Jerry Leichter.  J         He said, in brief: you can have it fast, you can have it right, y= ou) can have it work like Unix; pick any two.   > Message text written by INTERNET:mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduJ >gunzip 1.2-4 on our OpenVMS 7.2-1 DS10 is very much slower than gunzip o= n =   G a DS10 running Linux/Alpha.  A big part of that is because on Linux you J don't really get the data onto disk unless you force it there - instead i= t =   J is cached into the free memory on the system.  We've hashed over the plus= es  J and minuses of that method before and I don't want to start another threa= d  on  it here.  J Just considering the direct write to disk though, gunzip, and sadly, just=  =  J about any simple C program, go about it on OpenVMS by doing about a zilli= on= small extends. One can speed things up a lot by first doing =      $ set rms/extend=3D16000 $ gunzip bigfile.gz   J This is all a long winded way of asking if anybody has a version of gunzi= p =   4 which has been optimized for write speed on OpenVMS.  I And an even longer winded way of asking why DEC C, by default, produces =   5 programs which seem to be so poorly optimized for IO.   J I just went to see what MGFTP had done to speed up its IO - then found th= at  J it's written in BLISS.  Not much help for speeding up C programs unless y= ou  " want to rewrite every one of them.  J Since we don't have any way to do disk caching as on Linux or WNT it woul= d J be really nice if there was some way instead to control the behavior of t= heH standard C writes in DEC C better.  In particular I'd like to be able toA configure it - without changing the C code - in these two ways: =     $ 1.  cache up to N bytes before write* 2.  hold up to M milliseconds before writeG 3.  write the cache to disk in the fastest possible manner supported by      OpenVMS.  H To preserve current behavior, the default values for N and M would be 0.J When the file is closed the cache would flush to disk immediately without=  =  % waiting for more bytes or a time out.   H This could either go in as compiler switches or be run time adjustable =  - (perhaps through some change to the C RTL). =     E For gunzip a recompile would probably use parameters about like this:   = $ cc/diskcache=3D(bytes=3D1000000,milliseconds=3D1000)/etc...   J Small files would unpack directly into cache and then be written out on t= he
 file closeJ in one fell swoop.  Big files would fill the cache and write out a Megaby= te  
 at a time.  % If it was run time adjustable, then =     0 $ define decc$rtl_diskcache_bytes        1000000- $ define decc$rtl_diskcache_milliseconds 1000  $ gunzip bigfile.gz   H A little tweak like this would go a long way towards speeding up many of' the C tools that come over from Unix. <    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 17:57:45 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) < Subject: Re: File Extensions (was Re: Marketing opportunity)0 Message-ID: <009E9A22.5A249604@SendSpamHere.ORG>  k In article <8ev0cd$rcu$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  > S >In article <8euup5$njl$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes:  > @ >:...but was saved by noticing the .vbs extension, and later wasM >:grateful for the fact.  It made me think about all the times over the years E >:that people have denigrated the use of file extensions as file-type L >:definitions and asserted that types should be intrinsic attributes:  thereJ >:turns out to be *some* value after all in just being able to look at theI >:file's name and know what the system will try to do with it - though of D >:course if the action were displayed along with the name that wouldG >:accomplish the same result and be more general, given the ability to  F >:tailor the system associate virtually any action with any extension. >  >  In my case... > D >  It's a wish that the filename were not overloaded with an attemptE >  to flag the file organization, when it's not really the format of  D >  the file that is of interest to the user but rather the data thatF >  is contained within the file and the application(s) that are neededF >  to access the file.  A better and more flexible way of dealing with! >  file metadata, in other words.! >eA >  More than a few folks have used the file extension to (try to)e@ >  mask the contents of a file.  I know more than a few of theseD >  files have come to the attention of OpenVMS system managers over H >  the years during an ANALYZE/DISK pass, when the tool flags "corrupt"  >  "directory" files.  > D >  Try accessing a DCL command procedure from a web browser running B >  on a Microsoft Windows PC, just for entertainment.  (Microsoft 4 >  Windows really doesn't like the results, either.) >nO > --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------nM >   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   8 I'd like to comment on the last paragraph of your reply.  G About a year and a half ago I was working on a project and the customernF wanted to see progress. So, I established a password protected link toE the working direcotries via my OSU web server.  The customer squawked E when his Internet Exploiter kept going belly up when he attempted to kG look at the files.  These files were .COMs, .MARs, .M64s and a smatter-kF ing of some .MMSs.  When the customer clicked on the direcotry listingE of the .COMs, it attempted to download and RUN these as images.  The  F .MARs launched, IIRC, (XL, accel, whatever).  Apparently, Internet Ex-E ploiter *first* tries to fulfill typing the file by its extension andyD then, it obeys the http header MIME typing.  To fix this, I made theF OSU webserver present the files in the directory display normally but D the linking URL maintains the ; on the end of the extension.  Thus, C Internet Exploiter doesn't know what a .COM; or a .MAR; file is and D has to use the content-type field in the header to ascertain what to do with the data.a  D Our eunuchs counterparts and the league of programming misfits head-E quartered in Redmond may poopoo the maintenance of file characterist-hE ics in a separate meta data location (INDEXF.SYS) on VMS but I'll betcE it's more akin to penis envy for these folks than it is a gripe aboutc0 some technical shortcomings of this methodolody.   --N VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001           VAXman@TMESIS.COM  L GNU Freeware -- What does the GNU *really* stand for?  Garbage!  Not Usable!   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 14:17:15 -0400o+ From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> < Subject: Re: File Extensions (was Re: Marketing opportunity)1 Message-ID: <3912D7EB.15841E51@trailing-edge.com>o   Hoff Hoffman wrote:-B >   More than a few folks have used the file extension to (try to)A >   mask the contents of a file.  I know more than a few of these#D >   files have come to the attention of OpenVMS system managers overH >   the years during an ANALYZE/DISK pass, when the tool flags "corrupt" >   "directory" files.  ? When I was an undergrad - back in the late V4 and early V5 days<@ of VMS - we always renamed STARTREK.EXE to $.EXE so that when we@ were playing it looked like we were sitting at the DCL prompt to1 anyone who used FINGER to see what we were doing.   D >   Try accessing a DCL command procedure from a web browser runningB >   on a Microsoft Windows PC, just for entertainment.  (Microsoft5 >   Windows really doesn't like the results, either.)r  @ Heck, how about the *.DOC output from RUNOFF?  Everyone's always? asking me why it doesn't look like a propietary Microsoft Word   file on their PC...    Tim.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 00 00:25:36 -0500e) From: goathunter@wku.edu (Hunter Goatley) 0 Subject: FILESERV@WKU: Updated MGFTP, FTP_MIRROR' Message-ID: <n1FizKmGCCLM@axp1.wku.edu>   = The following packages have been updated on FILESERV@WKU.EDU,o! ftp.wku.edu, and ftp.process.com:n      o  MGFTP (Updated)c  ? 	MGFTP V2.6-2 includes a fix for limiting the number of serverst; 	that can be active at one time, support for custom 220 ande> 	221 (greeting and goodbye messages) messages, and a couple of; 	other enhancements.  MGFTP is an FTP client and server forp> 	OpenVMS VAX and OpenVMS Alpha.  Maintained by Hunter Goatley.      o FTP_MIRROR (Updated)m  3 	FTP_MIRROR lets VMS systems mirror other FTP sites 7 	automatically.  This version includes support for UNIX , 	symbolic links.  Maintained by Dick Munroe.    O -------------------------------------------------------------------------------bB You can get them via the World-Wide Web using a browser and any of the following URLs:i  / 	http://www2.wku.edu/www/fileserv/fileserv.htmlr  	ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/( 	ftp://ftp.process.com/wku/vms/fileserv/7 	ftp://ftp.vms.stacken.kth.se/mirrors/wku/vms/fileserv/ * 	ftp://ftp.ctrl-c.liu.se/wku/vms/fileserv/ 	ftp://ftp.vsm.com.au/kits/e  O -------------------------------------------------------------------------------mA You can get them via anonymous ftp from ftp.wku.edu; you'll need:   *         [.VMS]UNZIP.EXE or UNZIP.ALPHA_EXE          [.VMS.FILESERV]MGFTP.ZIP%         [.VMS.FILESERV]FTP_MIRROR.ZIPa  > The file [.VMS]FILESERV.README contains a brief listing of all- the packages available under [.VMS.FILESERV].   F The files are also available from ftp.process.com under [.WKU.VMS] and4 [.WKU.VMS.FILESERV], from ftp.vms.stacken.kth.se andG ftp.ctrl-c.liu.se under [.MIRRORS.WKU.VMS] and [.WKU.VMS.FILESERV], andk" from ftp.vms.com.au under [.KITS].O -------------------------------------------------------------------------------eD To get them via e-mail, send the following commands in the body of a! mail message to FILESERV@WKU.EDU:s  ( SEND MGFTP		!Comes as 42 180-block files- SEND FTP_MIRROR		!Comes as 14 180-block files @ SEND FILESERV_TOOLS     !Needed if you don't have MFTU and UNZIP  D Including the command DIR ALL on a separate line will return a brief< listing of all the packages available from FILESERV@WKU.EDU.     Hunter ------8 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com8 <goathunter@PROCESS.COM>     http://www2.wku.edu/hunter/   ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2000 21:59:02 GMT 2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)" Subject: Forbes article on M. Dell, Message-ID: <8evg76$f1v@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  0 There is a recent Forbes article on Michael Dell  4   http://www.forbes.com/forbes/00/0417/6509208a3.htm  = which I thought was interesting.  Two sections in particular:l  G   What about Compaq, Dell's longtime nemesis in PCs?  "That's rearview aM   mirrror thinking," Michael Dell says.  "I'm a lot more focused on Sun than     on Compaq"       andl  H   Compaq tried to buy its way into the big leagues by acquiring Digital K   Equipment and Tandem Computer -- and nearly killed itself in the process.   G Now the first one is to a large extent spin - I'm pretty sure Mr. Dell aH keeps a pretty wary eye on Compaq, no matter what its recent reverses.  J Since much of Dell Computers' recent growth has come from poaching Compaq F customers they have to be careful lest Compaq get its act together andE staunch the bleeding, or even recover somewhat.  A great quarter for l3 Compaq's PC business might mean a bad one for Dell.:  H The second bit represents what I think is a common preception, but maybeI not too much truth. Compaq did spent 9 G$ to buy Digital and I don't knoweG how much to buy Tandem, and probably they could have got a better shortbA turn return on this investment.  However, near as I can tell, thesJ enterprise side of Compaq is holding up pretty well at the moment, whereasI the PC side is a mess.  But since PC side was a mess *before* they boughtyK Digital it doesn't seem accurate to blame the takeover for the train wreck t" on the other side of the business.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edua? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 18:53:13 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>i& Subject: Re: Forbes article on M. Dell( Message-ID: <8evj9e$c4l$1@pyrite.mv.net>  = David Mathog <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote in message & news:8evg76$f1v@gap.cco.caltech.edu...2 > There is a recent Forbes article on Michael Dell >c6 >   http://www.forbes.com/forbes/00/0417/6509208a3.htm >6? > which I thought was interesting.  Two sections in particular:l >uH >   What about Compaq, Dell's longtime nemesis in PCs?  "That's rearviewI >   mirrror thinking," Michael Dell says.  "I'm a lot more focused on Sunh than >   on Compaq"  J Ouch.  I agree that it sounds like spin (especially given the story's leadK paragraphs), but uncomfortably believable spin.  Setting your sights on theeH next goal and kicking the existing competition while they're down at the
 same time.   >C	 >     and  > I >   Compaq tried to buy its way into the big leagues by acquiring DigitalrD >   Equipment and Tandem Computer -- and nearly killed itself in the process. >mH > Now the first one is to a large extent spin - I'm pretty sure Mr. DellH > keeps a pretty wary eye on Compaq, no matter what its recent reverses.K > Since much of Dell Computers' recent growth has come from poaching CompaqpH > customers they have to be careful lest Compaq get its act together andF > staunch the bleeding, or even recover somewhat.  A great quarter for5 > Compaq's PC business might mean a bad one for Dell.b >CJ > The second bit represents what I think is a common preception, but maybeK > not too much truth. Compaq did spent 9 G$ to buy Digital and I don't knowiI > how much to buy Tandem, and probably they could have got a better shortc! > turn return on this investment.e  J Don't know about Tandem (which they seem to have left much more on its ownL than the Digital components), but the run-up in the CMGI stock exchanged forL AltaVista alone pretty much paid for the entire DEC acquisition, last I knewG (recent market slides may have changed that somewhat), and VMS is still H bringing in large and steady revenues (though we all believe it could doH much better).  Tru 64 never was doing that great compared with the Big 35 Unixes, but probably hasn't slipped that much either.1  "   However, near as I can tell, theL > enterprise side of Compaq is holding up pretty well at the moment, whereasK > the PC side is a mess.  But since PC side was a mess *before* they bought-L > Digital it doesn't seem accurate to blame the takeover for the train wreck$ > on the other side of the business.  H If there's any connection, it could be simply that the effort of dealingL with the acquisition and its integration aftermath diverted Classic Compaq's( people from fixing its PC-side problems.   - bill   >a
 > Regards, >c > David Mathog > mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edus@ > Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 16:22:40 -0700h+ From: Jay T. McCanta <jmccanta@immunex.com>h. Subject: Get/set console enviornment variables8 Message-ID: <hsl6hs0148r87tnourc6ujvh7vjsjkqc00@4ax.com>  C Is there a way to get and/or set console environment variables fromt OpenVMS -v7.1 and later?  E -===================================================================-M9 Jay McCanta              |  My opinions are barely my own ; System Administrator     |  My employer doesn't necessarilye' Immunex Corp.            |  share them. E -===================================================================--   ------------------------------  " Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 22:20:38 GMT2 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars2 (Bob Kaplow)6 Subject: Re: How get the internal system temperature ?+ Message-ID: <ldoiUu0SzcLq@eisner.decus.org>d  p In article <000801bfb16c$f9abe680$094c88c8@unipobjetivo.br>, "Valdemir J. Santos" <valdemir-@uol.com.br> writes:. > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  ) Please turn off MIME & HTML when posting.u  K > I'm needing get the internal system temperature of a Alphaserver DS20.=20uB > Is there any way to get this information using a DCL procedure ?   $ set noverify
 $ set noon $!( $ tt    = f$getsyi("temperature_vector")! $ if $status .eq. %xfba then exiti $ cpu   = 0  $loop:" $ ttn   = f$extract(30-cpu*2,2,tt)" $ if ttn .eqs. "FF" then goto next $ t     = (%x'ttn*9)/5+32k4 $ write sys$output "CPU  ''cpu'   Temperature  ''t'" $next: $ cpu   = cpu + 1n $ if cpu .lt. 16 then goto loop1  J I've tried it on 8200/8400/GS140/DS20 (eisner). On other CPUs you get this error:  B %SYSTEM-E-NOT_LOADED, system service or exec routine is not loaded  \TEMPERATURE_VECTOR\r  F The strange thing is that on my 8 CPU 8400/GS140, only 2 of the 8 CPUs= report valid information, and they are not on the same board!r   	Bob Kaplow	  E SPAM:	spamrecycle@ChooseYourmail.com	uce@ftc.gov	postmaster@127.0.0.1c   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 03:45:54 GMTC! From: Ian Parker <parker@gol.com> 6 Subject: Re: How get the internal system temperature ?& Message-ID: <pXrDMBAlx3E5EwpH@gol.com>  H In article <ldoiUu0SzcLq@eisner.decus.org>, Bob Kaplow <kaplow_r@eisner. decus.org.mars2> writessK >In article <000801bfb16c$f9abe680$094c88c8@unipobjetivo.br>, "Valdemir J. n' >Santos" <valdemir-@uol.com.br> writes:a/ >> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.a >w* >Please turn off MIME & HTML when posting. > L >> I'm needing get the internal system temperature of a Alphaserver DS20.=20C >> Is there any way to get this information using a DCL procedure ?u >s >$ set noverifyt >$ set noonr >$! ) >$ tt    = f$getsyi("temperature_vector")d" >$ if $status .eq. %xfba then exit >$ cpu   = 0 >$loop:i# >$ ttn   = f$extract(30-cpu*2,2,tt)o# >$ if ttn .eqs. "FF" then goto nextd >$ t     = (%x'ttn*9)/5+325 >$ write sys$output "CPU  ''cpu'   Temperature  ''t'"t >$next:g >$ cpu   = cpu + 1  >$ if cpu .lt. 16 then goto loop >tK >I've tried it on 8200/8400/GS140/DS20 (eisner). On other CPUs you get this  >error:  >dC >%SYSTEM-E-NOT_LOADED, system service or exec routine is not loadedp > \TEMPERATURE_VECTOR\ >hG >The strange thing is that on my 8 CPU 8400/GS140, only 2 of the 8 CPUsh> >report valid information, and they are not on the same board! >b >       Bob Kaplow       >cL >SPAM:  spamrecycle@ChooseYourmail.com  uce@ftc.gov     postmaster@127.0.0.1  E For me, the function succeeds only on the first CPU of one 4100 - thepE other CPUs on that system show "ff".  Other systems report the system0G service or exec routine not loaded, or indeed that "temperature_vector"nH is a bad parameter value.  VAXen return, reasonably enough I suppose, an% unrecognised keyword.  Summary below.i  H Mind you, the first CPU on the 4100 appears to be running hot enough forF all of them!  Possibly I needed to a decimal point in there somewhere.  D AlphaServer 4100 5/400 4MB Model 1408 (4 cpu), OpenVMS V7.1-2, CPU 0 temperature is 254C (489F)  9 AlphaServer 1000 4/200 Model 1090 (1 cpu), OpenVMS V7.1,  ' %SYSTEM-F-BADPARAM, bad parameter value-  9 AlphaServer 1000 4/233 Model 1091 (1 cpu), OpenVMS V7.2, a  B %SYSTEM-E-NOT_LOADED, system service or exec routine is not loaded \TEMPER   9 AlphaServer 2000 4/233 Model 1171 (1 cpu), OpenVMS V7.2, S  B %SYSTEM-E-NOT_LOADED, system service or exec routine is not loaded \TEMPER   9 AlphaServer 2100 4/275 Model 1116 (2 cpu), OpenVMS V7.1,  ' %SYSTEM-F-BADPARAM, bad parameter value   9 AlphaServer 2100 4/275 Model 1116 (2 cpu), OpenVMS V7.2, iB %SYSTEM-E-NOT_LOADED, system service or exec routine is not loaded \TEMPER   A AlphaServer 4100 5/400 4MB Model 1404 (4 cpu), OpenVMS V7.1-1H1, eA %CLI-W-IVKEYW, unrecognized keyword - check validity and spellingt  9 AlphaStation 200 4/233 Model 1151 (1 cpu), OpenVMS V7.1,  ' %SYSTEM-F-BADPARAM, bad parameter valueb  4 VAXstation 4000-90 Model 376 (1 cpu), OpenVMS V7.1, A %CLI-W-IVKEYW, unrecognized keyword - check validity and spellingn  5 VAXstation 4000-90A Model 475 (1 cpu), OpenVMS V7.1, iA %CLI-W-IVKEYW, unrecognized keyword - check validity and spellinga  5 VAXstation 4000-90A Model 475 (1 cpu), OpenVMS V7.2, xA %CLI-W-IVKEYW, unrecognized keyword - check validity and spellinge     --  
 Ian Parker   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 14:46:14 -0700f! From: Shane.F.Smith@healthnet.comi- Subject: Independant test: DS10 vs Athlon 850 8 Message-ID: <882568D6.00779BA9.00@WHDOM99.HEALTHNET.COM>  . From: Shane F Smith@FHS on 05/05/2000 02:46 PM     To:   Info-Vax@mvb.saic.com  cc:l. Subject:  Independant test: DS10 vs Athlon 850  I I just found something interesting; someone independant has tested a DS10 M running Linux against an Athlon based machine. I realise this is a VMS group,fN but there are some interesting observations in there. It's only about 3 pages, and worth the time to read."  	 Extracts:l  M    Impressive! The 466 MHz Alpha gives the mighty Athlon 850 a floating-point N    lesson! It is incredible how a RISC processor  which is clocked at only 55%N    of its x86 competitor outperforms the latter in almost every floating pointH    test. The optimization flag "-arch ev6" seems to optimize the integerF    performance of the Alpha, slightly at the expense of floating-point    performance.a  C Standard moan #347: Why don't Compaq tell people how fast Alpha is?p  N    You can clearly see that the DS10 is not made for workstation applications,K    the videocard is too slow for any graphically intensive application. ThesN    Alpha shows its FPU power in the Light-03 test, but is hampered severely by    the videocard..  P So the DS10 isn't suited to use as a workstation, it's a server? Well, I suppose  it is priced that way...r  J    No less than 1200 applications are included in the Suse 6.3 Alpha LinuxK    distribution, compared to 1500 for the x86 version. OpenSource is a realEP    blessing for the Alpha platform. The number of applications for Alpha is veryO    small, especially compared to the huge amount applications available for thes/    strongest UNIX competitor, Sun Microsystems.u  > What a surprise, they see a shortage of software as a problem.  * And finally from the concluding paragraph:  O    I know, the Alpha DS10 is targeted at the low-end webserver market, and is aaP    very decent number cruncher for technical and scientific applications, but ifP    the price of the Alpha DS10 would come down a bit, and Compaq offers a fasterK    Alpha processor in this system (say a 500-575 MHz), the Alpha DS10 couldt'    compete in the desktop Linux market.f  L It all sounds very familiar, doesn't it? Check out the original review, with/ pictures and charts, and a couple of surprises:o  =    http://www.aceshardware.com/Spades/read.php?article_id=146    Shane       H  #####   ---------------------------------------------------------------I #-O-O-# | Shane underbar S on pacbell dot net. Spam to abuse@127.0.0.1  |aH #  L  #  ---------------------------------------------------------------D  #===#   Don't blame HealthNet for anything I say. They're innocent.H   ###    OpenVMS: The operating system God runs the Earth simulation on.   ------------------------------  " Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 22:13:24 GMT0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com>1 Subject: Re: Independant test: DS10 vs Athlon 850Z& Message-ID: <Fu3xIz.4K9@world.std.com>  . <Shane.F.Smith@healthnet.com> wrote in message2 news:882568D6.00779BA9.00@WHDOM99.HEALTHNET.COM... >w >l0 > From: Shane F Smith@FHS on 05/05/2000 02:46 PM >e >p > To:   Info-Vax@mvb.saic.comi > cc:t0 > Subject:  Independant test: DS10 vs Athlon 850 >tK > I just found something interesting; someone independant has tested a DS10sH > running Linux against an Athlon based machine. I realise this is a VMS group,I > but there are some interesting observations in there. It's only about 3  pages, > and worth the time to read.l >s > Extracts:h >t@ >    Impressive! The 466 MHz Alpha gives the mighty Athlon 850 a floating-pointL >    lesson! It is incredible how a RISC processor  which is clocked at only 55%wJ >    of its x86 competitor outperforms the latter in almost every floating point-J >    test. The optimization flag "-arch ev6" seems to optimize the integerH >    performance of the Alpha, slightly at the expense of floating-point >    performance.P >.E > Standard moan #347: Why don't Compaq tell people how fast Alpha is?t  8 That's easy. Alpha and marketing are mutually exclusive.  I But did I tell you about my hot new 866MHz Windoze box? It crashes faster ( than any other Windoze box known to man!   Mssr. C. O .Mmmpaq Microsoft Apologiste   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 17:45:35 -0400r0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>3 Subject: Re: Mailbox and synchronization in OpenVMSa/ Message-ID: <391340F0.E3B7FF0D@vl.videotron.ca>-   Hoff Hoffman wrote:-E >   I would encourage at least a quick examination of the uses of thee> >   integrated OpenVMS transaction-processing system services.  J Do these services provide any inter-process data exchange services ? I was? under the impression that they were solely inside of a process.s   ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2000 22:15:29 GMTs2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)3 Subject: Re: Mailbox and synchronization in OpenVMS-6 Message-ID: <8evh61$4l4$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  b In article <391340F0.E3B7FF0D@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> writes: :Hoff Hoffman wrote:F :>   I would encourage at least a quick examination of the uses of the? :>   integrated OpenVMS transaction-processing system services.  : K :Do these services provide any inter-process data exchange services ? I was.@ :under the impression that they were solely inside of a process.  D   These services are cluster-capable transaction coordination systemD   services, and these services operate in conjunction with whatever A   sorts of application processing and communcations is necessary.iD   These services permit all applications that are "interested" in a E   transaction to declare their interest, and permit the applications 8F   to complete or to rollback activity based on the success or failure D   of the distributed transaction.  (This is particularly useful withE   such packages as RMS journaling, as you can use this to "unload" a .9   series of RMS file updates should a transaction fails.)p  A   With RTR, these transactions can extend out and operate over a h   distributed network.  C   I would encourage a stroll through the documentation for details..  D   The one piece of documentation I am aware is missing is the piecesD   of the API needed to implement a customized (application-specific)D   recovery manager.  If there is sufficient interest, I will see if C   I can acquire the clearance needed to release this documentation.l  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 21:19:53 +0200a= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>a" Subject: Re: Marketing opportunity) Message-ID: <39131ED9.370EE045@gtech.com>e   John Macallister wrote:r7 > > It made me think about all the times over the yearsaF > >that people have denigrated the use of file extensions as file-type > >definitions > K > It may be useful to remember that file types have no intrinsic meaning inaJ > VMS i.e. any file name or type could be an executable image. VMS is thusF > potentially more dangerous with automatic attachment processing thanG > Windows. Perhaps we should be thankful that VMS hasn't got round to au) > standard universal GUI environment yet.d   ????   Why ?o  C If I email an executable to you as a .GIF and your VMS mail program ; opened it with f.ex. Mozilla - what would happend by that ?    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 21:12:37 +0200h= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>y" Subject: Re: Marketing opportunity) Message-ID: <39131D25.E6AC9F7D@gtech.com>w   Bill Todd wrote:7 > Arne Vajhj <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in messageg% > news:3912C9A6.CE6544DF@gtech.com...eG > > The two key security holes in Windows & Microsoft Mail (not correct- > > name, but ...)& > > that the virus/worm exploited was:F > >   - write access to all files oincluding the OS files for any user >  > True on Win9x, not on NT.e  6 True. NT do have inherited a few things frm real OS's.  B > >   - the mail program running code when the user clicking on an > > attachment > >     containing codec > > E > > No secure OS and mail program would do anything so stupid. The MSh > > software do. > M > Scripted attachments are only run by user permission.  One can question theiK > prudence of shipping Outlook with the permission set to 'granted', but itoE > *is* user-controllable.  Unless you assert that this feature is toosC > dangerous to allow users access to at all (before jumping to thatuK > conclusion, think about internal-only use and the possible utility of thekM > feature in that realm), VMS could have had the same problem as an NT system ' > if it had equally-versatile features.   F It is enabled by default. It is not very well documented or particular easy to find out how to disable.t  G And I can not see any real use of this feature. It is good at demos fory+ senior executived and a security nigthmare.C  ' And it has NOTHING to do with features.   E Lotus cc:mail/Notes, NetScape Messenger, Novell GroupWise all has thea same4 basicly functionality as Microsoft OutLook/Exchange.  . None of them had the problem. Only Microsoft !   > > C > > And that is why MS software was hit and not any other software.a > L > The main reason MS was targeted is that it's the most popular mail system.N > People who release worms want to make news.  If they had released it on VMS,H > it likely would have died of user starvation before anyone noticed it.   ????  A Can you name one email system for VMS that will execute scripts ?   B A more likely explanation of why MS Mail was hit is that it is the" system with the security hole in !   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 21:17:15 +0200t= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>o" Subject: Re: Marketing opportunity) Message-ID: <39131E3A.1D81F262@gtech.com>l   Nigel Arnot wrote:H > True, that would be easier for a technically competent administator toL > repair, and true this would affect only a single user not all users of the< > system. However, Windows machines are usually single-user,  3 Have you not worked at an educational institution ?.  K > > - the email-program run code when you click on an attachment containing  > > code > J > Which is exactly what I was very critical of above: that MS systems make1 > virtually no distinction between code and data.t   Yes.  K > > I find it very difficult to see how this could happend oN VMS or Unix !s > N > With VMSmail, it can't.  (Well, not unless you can invent a plausible-enoughJ > covering letter to persuade a luser to extract a large chunk of DCL text$ > to a file and invoke it with "@").  ( That can hit any OS and any mail system.  N >                                    However, given an alternative mail systemR > that understands mime attachments, it all comes down to how easily an executableM > attachment can be fed to its interpreter. It's sensible that doubleclickingvK > on attachments such as GIF, MPEG, HTML, PS automatically launches viewers=9 > (provided that those viewers can't have side-effects!);   E Yes. But not Microsoft formats like Word because they may run code aso well !  K >                                                          it's plain crazy=G > for .PL or .PY to automatically launch Perl or Python, or for .EXE to-Q > automatically RUN. I'd design it impossible for a luser to configure this, evenaE > if he wanted to. Micro$oft seem to have execute-without-question as? > the **default** for .VBS!i   Yes.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 16:42:48 -0400J# From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com>e" Subject: RE: Marketing opportunityD Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD6DE@berry.mvpsi.com>   > -----Original Message-----5 > From: Arne Vajh=F8j [mailto:arne.vajhoej@gtech.com]w$ > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 3:13 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comy$ > Subject: Re: Marketing opportunity >=20 >=20 > Bill Todd wrote:; > > Arne Vajh=F8j <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in messagex' > > news:3912C9A6.CE6544DF@gtech.com... ? > > > The two key security holes in Windows & Microsoft Mail=20P > (not correct > > > name, but ...)( > > > that the virus/worm exploited was:E > > >   - write access to all files oincluding the OS files for any =r user > >=20 > > True on Win9x, not on NT.O >=208 > True. NT do have inherited a few things frm real OS's. >=20D > > >   - the mail program running code when the user clicking on an > > > attachment > > >     containing codea > > >oG > > > No secure OS and mail program would do anything so stupid. The MSm > > > software do.  G Do you really think you add security by telling people that they have =0 to5 extract the attachment and open it in another window?R   > >=20A > > Scripted attachments are only run by user permission.  One=20o > can question the> > > prudence of shipping Outlook with the permission set to=20 > 'granted', but iteG > > *is* user-controllable.  Unless you assert that this feature is tooiE > > dangerous to allow users access to at all (before jumping to thatrA > > conclusion, think about internal-only use and the possible=20o > utility of theB > > feature in that realm), VMS could have had the same problem=20 > as an NT system ) > > if it had equally-versatile features.c >=20? > It is enabled by default. It is not very well documented or =(
 particular > easy > to find out how to disable.e >=20B > And I can not see any real use of this feature. It is good at=20 > demos forF- > senior executived and a security nigthmare.  >=20  F It is a combination of very useful features.  Don't we all wish that = VMS hadiI better MIME support?  Isn't a callable interface to mail useful?  Don't =i you.G wish that VMS mail had an address book?  Wouldn't it be cool if DCL was H extensible?  If VMS had all these features and someone sent you a .COM = file,tE would you open it?  It would be great if VMS had all these features =i but, iftF it did, there would be a lot more idiots behind the keyboards of VMS = systems:I and that's the real cause of the problem, idiots thinking "Look someone =o sent me a love letter!!".    ) > And it has NOTHING to do with features.  >=20G > Lotus cc:mail/Notes, NetScape Messenger, Novell GroupWise all has thee > same6 > basicly functionality as Microsoft OutLook/Exchange. >=200 > None of them had the problem. Only Microsoft ! >=20  G Only because the code was written for MS Outlook.  I believe that all =n ofG those e-mail systems will open an attachment if you double click it.  =e IfB they were running under the right versions of Windows they would = execute thecF VBS script  but the script would not propagate because it only knows = how toB look at an Outlook address book.  But I believe that it could be =
 written to# exploit an of those e-mail systems.1   > > >eE > > > And that is why MS software was hit and not any other software.  > >=20< > > The main reason MS was targeted is that it's the most=20 > popular mail system.? > > People who release worms want to make news.  If they had=20E > released it on VMS,4A > > it likely would have died of user starvation before anyone=20a
 > noticed it.  >l  F The main reason that MS was targeted is that it's the most widely usedF platform.  This could have been done on a Macintosh but no one would = have noticed. =20d > ???? >=20C > Can you name one email system for VMS that will execute scripts ?a >=20D > A more likely explanation of why MS Mail was hit is that it is the$ > system with the security hole in ! >=20 > Arne >=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 17:39:41 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>" Subject: Re: Marketing opportunity. Message-ID: <39133F8F.9F93A50@vl.videotron.ca>   Nigel Arnot wrote:H > It would be fairly trivial to write similar malware in (say) Perl on a& > Unix or even in DCL on a VMS system.  K A century ago, ALL-IN-1 engineers saw the security implications of having a M script run when the user reads an email. The way they implemented it requiresjH system manager actions to enable that script. Essentially, when a scriptN (actually a pointer to a script) was embedded in an email, ALL-In-1 would lookL for it in a specific system directory where normally only the system manager
 can write to.t  H Fruthermore, because of inherent security in multi user stystems, such aM microsoft script, when executed on VMS would/could only affect files to whicha) the user has read/write/delete access to.U        , > That's the only real difference. MicrosoftK > users are presented with a bottle marked "drink me" and do; users of mostnF > other systems would realize that it may very well contain poison, an > decline the invitation.e  M If Microsoft adhered to internet standards and used mime types to qualify its J attachements instead of sending all of them as "application/octet-stream",H then users would be presented with the mime type and their systems couldL easily be configured to prevent activation of certain mime types from emails? (forcing them to save them and then execute them if necessary).o  N The problem is that microsoft does not use mime types and will most often evenM hide the true extention of the attachement, so the user has no idea what willt happen when double clicked.h    G > By the way, it's well worth getting a (textfile!) copy of this virus.w  I Yep, that is what I got on my ALL-IN-1 system. Something I could read andwN laugh at, thinking how many companies had to shut down their system to preventJ this joke from spreading around when in fact they could have prevented theA joke by keeping their serious systems instead of jumping onto thel' Windows/Microsoft bandwagon in the 90s.h    F > I'd love to see VMS advertized, but this is an incorrect pretext forK > anything other than bashing Microsoft, and any other outfit that makes it50 > too easy for lusers to confuse code with data.    J I disagree. More and more (I hope) companies will feel the costs of havingN chose that cheap Microsoft solutions and will start to look for better qualityH software. If Compaq is there to present it high quality software that isJ secure and without fancy gadgets that turn into internet liabilities everyO couple of weeks, then Comapq will get a serious message across to corporations.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 17:46:48 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>" Subject: Re: Marketing opportunity/ Message-ID: <3913413A.19118BB6@vl.videotron.ca>    eplan@kapsch.net wrote:eQ > btw: Did you see such quick actions in such a large company in the last years ?o    M Yes. Airlines are generally very quick to put big newspaper ads. So are largeo& corporations if something big happens.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 17:51:38 -0400.0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>" Subject: Re: Marketing opportunity/ Message-ID: <3913425B.6801944E@vl.videotron.ca>o   Bill Todd wrote:L > The main reason MS was targeted is that it's the most popular mail system.  J No. It is because it is the most vulnerable ans easy to compromise system.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 17:56:59 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>" Subject: Re: Marketing opportunity/ Message-ID: <3913439C.C5DFFD9C@vl.videotron.ca>    John Macallister wrote:oK > It may be useful to remember that file types have no intrinsic meaning inaJ > VMS i.e. any file name or type could be an executable image. VMS is thusF > potentially more dangerous with automatic attachment processing than
 > Windows.  M Consider that Windows by default hides the file type so that iloveyou.txt.vbs0R appears to the user as "iloveyou.txt" before claiming that VMS is more vulnerable.  J And non-MS platforms that honour mime types properly for email or browsersK allow the user (or system manager) to probably secure the user from certainv dangerous mime types.e  G There is a HUGE difference bewteen sending data (images, documents) andRM executables ( scripts, executables).  No email package should allow a user ton3 launch an executable from the email message itself.C  K I know of a shop that was paranoid and cut off most of the NT menus such assM RUN etc, to prevent users from executing any application other than Office onxD their PCs. But they didn't realise that it resulted in users sendingM executables to each other by email and they ended up using outlook as a shalld instead of the NT "START" menu.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 18:04:07 -0400c0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>" Subject: Re: Marketing opportunity/ Message-ID: <39134547.C03594C8@vl.videotron.ca>M   Arne Vajh=F8j wrote:E > If I email an executable to you as a .GIF and your VMS mail program = > opened it with f.ex. Mozilla - what would happend by that ?   J If you email me anything from microsoft with the "application/octet-strea= m" IJ have my netscape configured to prompt me to save it. It cannot know, on a=  mac what to do with it.   J Netscape on a MAC does not look at the file extention, period. It looks a= t theoJ mime type, the proper way to do things. Microsoft tends to send everythin= g asJ "application/octet-stream" which renders attachement useless to any other=  6 platforms unless manually saved and manually analysed.  J Fruthermore, many WEB sites have their web server imporperly configured a= ndJ any new file types such as FLASH files (.swf) as sent as the "unknown" mi= meJ type of "application/octet-stream". The web master don't realise the prob= lem J because they run MS games that see a .swf extension in the URL and *assum= e* ittJ is for flash. But other platforms can't run the plug in because they get = anG "application/octet-stream" attachement and they have NO IDEA what it isi supposed to do.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 18:09:14 -0400 0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>" Subject: Re: Marketing opportunity/ Message-ID: <3913467A.99D2F8BC@vl.videotron.ca>e   John Vottero wrote: N > It is a combination of very useful features.  Don't we all wish that VMS had > better MIME support? e     ALL-IN-1 (office server) does.  + Isn't a callable interface to mail useful? t  F Both VMSmail and ALL-In-1 have it. (ALL-IN-1 has a powerfull scripting language with it).   > Don't you ) > wish that VMS mail had an address book?c   ALL-IN-1 does.      , > Wouldn't it be cool if DCL was extensible?  F it is not "was" it is "were" .... and what do you think newcommand :== "$myprogram" does ?f    A > If VMS had all these features and someone sent you a .COM file,  > would you open it?  N VMS email clients are serious enough that they would not automatically execute3 it for you inside  the context of the email client.s  J > Only because the code was written for MS Outlook.  I believe that all ofF > those e-mail systems will open an attachment if you double click it.  L Sorry, not Netscape on a MAC. It only opens known attachement types based onK MIME type and you see the mime type displayed in your email before it opens ' it. File names are irrelevant on a mac.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 19:05:17 -0400 # From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> " Subject: RE: Marketing opportunityD Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD6E0@berry.mvpsi.com>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca]=$ > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 6:09 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt$ > Subject: Re: Marketing opportunity >  >  > John Vottero wrote:t? > > It is a combination of very useful features.  Don't we all = > wish that VMS had- > > better MIME support? , >  >   > ALL-IN-1 (office server) does.  F Yes but Compaq keeps that a secret (probably a very expensive secret).   > - > Isn't a callable interface to mail useful? e > H > Both VMSmail and ALL-In-1 have it. (ALL-IN-1 has a powerfull scripting > language with it).  ( I know.  Don't you think they're useful?) By the way, it's powerful, not powerfull.i   > 
 > > Don't you + > > wish that VMS mail had an address book?w >  > ALL-IN-1 does. >q  E Another Compaq secret.  So, if All-in-1 supports mime attachments, an K address book and a powerful scripting language, why couldn't it host a worm4
 such as this?   o >  > . > > Wouldn't it be cool if DCL was extensible? > H > it is not "was" it is "were" .... and what do you think newcommand :== > "$myprogram" does ?n >i  E How can I add a lexical?  Take a look at Perl or VBScript to see what 9 extensibility is.  It's not the ability to run a program.    > C > > If VMS had all these features and someone sent you a .COM file,! > > would you open it? > ; > VMS email clients are serious enough that they would not i > automatically execute 5 > it for you inside  the context of the email client.o >e  C So that's why VMS mail doesn't support attachments?  Because it's atI "serious" e-mail client?  Keep telling yourself that and you may actuallyl start to believe it.  n9 > > Only because the code was written for MS Outlook.  I 7 > believe that all of H > > those e-mail systems will open an attachment if you double click it. > @ > Sorry, not Netscape on a MAC. It only opens known attachement  > types based on> > MIME type and you see the mime type displayed in your email  > before it opens ) > it. File names are irrelevant on a mac.  >t  I But if this had been targeted at the Mac it would have had the right mime  type.p  e   ------------------------------  " Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 01:54:48 GMT9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: Memo:  Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it! + Message-ID: <p8eiKEVVBFwD@eisner.decus.org>s  i In article <802568D6.00331482.00@lithium.systems.uk.hsbc>, Paul BEAUDOIN <paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com> writes:n >  > F > Pardon my ignorance, but I'm not sure what you mean by API here.. If$ > you are looking for something thatE > you pass parameters to and it does message formatting and handling,e6 > then I am unaware of such a thing in either IV or V.G > In both cases I wrote the routines to format the messages, connect to G > the node, send the message, receive the response and translate/format E > it. This relies on detailed knowledge of the coding scheme( NICE oraB > CMIP (ASN.1)) but not much on the protocol itself.  Am I getting0 > anywhere near answering the original question?  / Look at the VMS source listings for NMLSHR.EXE.   9 You feed the NICE protocol in, but it does not send it top; another process, it gets translated into private $QIO calls-
 to NETDRIVER.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 18:43:00 -0400e2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: OPCOM6 Message-ID: <200005051843_MC2-A3F4-5DD@compuserve.com>  -         This is the result of several things..  @         Workstations do not start OPCOM by default in a cluster.  H         Workstations do not enable the console for Operator messages; no
 REPLY/ENABLE.y  @         Anything with a graphics card is a workstation for this.  J         There is an OPC$mumble logical name that you can define to enable=  , the console anyway.  Look in SYLOGICALS.COM.  C         For the last eight years or so, this logical has not worked J properly on any system running DECwindows or DW-Motif!  The reason is tha= tcE DW does not honor the logical.  There are three or four places in theiJ startup where DW does a REPLY /DISABLE.  It does this even if you have do= ne+ a SET CONSOLE SERIAL at the >>> prompt!!!!!   2         This has gone unfixed for EIGHT YEARS!!!!!  H         I suspect a power struggle between the DECwindows people and VMS% engineering or something of the sort.6  J         It's simple enough to fix.  You can find all the occurances in th= eeE DW startup and comment them out or recode them to test the OPC$mumble F logical and do the right thing.  This will work until a new version of7 DECwindows reinstalls the bad old code over your fixes.i  G         I do wish someone at DECpaq would explain why the *customer* is E expected to fix this on each system he owns, EVERY time DECwindows is J installed or upgraded!!!!!  It would take someone in Spit Brook a whole t= enJ minutes to fix the broken DCL and make the system operate as documented. =  =  " WHY IN THE HELL DON'T THEY????????   <mutter> <mutter> <fume!!!!>      ' Message text written by Bernard Schluep- >Hi,  D I have some batches that use the REQUEST/REPLY/TO=3DOPER1 command to* require confirmation before continuation..E It worked perfectly until last week-end, when I suppressed VAX's withF. their VT console (OPA0: always with power on).C When nobody was logged in, the message was only sent to the console < (without any login) and the batch was waiting for the reply.  / Now I have only AXP's with DECwindows consoles.aF When nobody is logged in, OPCOM answers automatically the message with& "No operator coverage for request xx".0 That means that the batch continues in any case.  A Is it a logical which defines "any request must wait an answer" ?bD Or do you have any idea how to resolve this problem without having a  terminal with a logon anywhere ? <9   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 18:30:52 GMTc% From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@dialupnet.com>I Subject: Re: OpenVMS marketing8 Message-ID: <ur46hs46vhbr1pp1dt1rqg2qah54s6luk7@4ax.com>  D On Thu, 04 May 2000 10:36:03 -0400, taterskins@patriot.net (Ramon L. Tate) wrote:  6 >In article <391170F4.FC716681@gtech.com>, Arne Vajhj  ><arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote: >r+ >> Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:e	 >[snip]> n3 >> > You also seem to missjudge the nature of a loto8 >> > of the e-businesses being created by large existing8 >> > corporations. A lot of these new business divisions< >> > are very much like startups in their own right, many of2 >> > them foster a skunk works type mentality very5 >> > much at odds with the corporation who ownes them 6 >> > because this is the nature of the new environment >> > they operate in.a >> l >> No no no. >>  9 >> Today going e is usually done with direct support froml> >> the board & CEO, with external consultants and incorporated  >> in a corporate-wide strategy. >> c7 >> They do not start by a few employees doing some work.7 >> in their own spare-time. It is a part of the overalln. >> corporate strategies and treated like that. >> a >> Arnes >sJ >Yes, Arne, I completely agree with this latter statement. My youngest sonK >has just completed an MBA at a well-known US university and has a good biteG >of experience with IT strategy and planning in the corporate world. HelL >states, and my 25+ years of experience in the IT biz corroborate this, thatK >e-biz efforts emanate from the top down and are quite commonly planned andcG >implemented by consulting firms [he interned last summer at one of the J >best] that research the market, plan the strategy, and increasingly offerK >the "hard" services as well. THESE firms are the ones that are now calling C >the shots on what technologies to use, and if Compaq's "enterpriseeL >solutions", including VMS-based ones, are invisible to them, then they willI >never be chosen as the basis. In his (my son's) estimation, based on hishG >own work experience and his conversations with quite a few upper-levelnJ >managers in the IT and telecom world, VMS is considered dead or dying andL >will not be considered as the basis for any serious e-biz effort REGARDLESSG >OF IT'S TECHNICAL SUPERIORITY (my emphasis). The bottom line: it's ALL?L >marketing, and the perception makes it so. If Compaq refuses to acknowledgeE >that WRT VMS, VMS will never make any inroads into the e-biz market.r  1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaq - (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)-   ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2000 14:47:52 -0400r4 From: "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com>* Subject: Re: Pitch of the Margin bell Beep* Message-ID: <B5388F9A-5E62@165.247.29.108>  J On Thu, May 4, 2000 11:20 AM, Menno van Eck <m.van.eck@philips.com> wrote:@ >Installing VMS 7.1-2 on an AS800/500 I noticed the pitch of theK >margin/warning bell for Motif X-applications on the local system was loweroC >than I used to. I know the pitch is influenced by which version ofr >SYS$IKBDRIVER.EXE is used.' > H >Does anyone have a clue how to change (higher) the pitch or maybe lower themI >volume of this bell. I get remarks of the users of the systems about it?l  K Same thing happened to me last night when I installed 7.1-2.  I didn't finds) (or really even look for) a solution yet.r     ---------------------------S Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 19:02:17 -0400e, From: taterskins@patriot.net (Ramon L. Tate)9 Subject: Protection Measures (Was: Marketing opportunity)yD Message-ID: <taterskins-ya023480000505001902170001@news.patriot.net>  7 In article <39133F8F.9F93A50@vl.videotron.ca>, JF Mezeid( <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca> wrote: [snip]& In response to Nigel Arnot's comment: H > > I'd love to see VMS advertized, but this is an incorrect pretext forM > > anything other than bashing Microsoft, and any other outfit that makes iti2 > > too easy for lusers to confuse code with data. >  JF Mezei replied: L > I disagree. More and more (I hope) companies will feel the costs of havingP > chose that cheap Microsoft solutions and will start to look for better qualityJ > software. If Compaq is there to present it high quality software that isL > secure and without fancy gadgets that turn into internet liabilities everyC > couple of weeks, then Comapq will get a serious message across toh
 corporations.e  J I've watched the [US] TV news in vain for a *real* pointing of the finger,H but in vain so far. This incident certainly proves the adage "pay now orK pay later": if you want to go "cheap", you probably won't get "good". Also, K I've yet to hear a "talking head" state the obvious: this virus/worm/trojan G REQUIRES the complicity of users to propogate. I'm not a lawyer, but it5H seems to me that in many jurisdictions, liability is usually tempered byG the principle of negligence, and there certainly appears to be a lot ofpJ that going around as well. A good case could be made that those who didn'tI learn anything from the Melissa incident are now merely reaping the fruittF of their own indifference and incompetence. I wonder how many (if any)) sysops will lose their jobs over this....g   -- s
 Ramon L. Tates	 Casa Maa-= taterskins@patriot.net   "Skin" that "tater" before replying!0   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 17:47:46 GMTi From: r.m@mailandnews.com 4 Subject: Re: System wide mail filters?  ("ILOVEYOU"). Message-ID: <391308e3.63657875@news-2.csn.net>  4 On Fri, 05 May 2000 16:39:20 +0100, John Macallister( <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> wrote:  	 >A simple  >.( >  $ SEARCH disk:[*...]*.mai "ILOVEYOU"  > F > might be a start and then work with each user affected to remove the	 >problem..  B Or you could go the BOFH route and just delete the .mai files that# actually contain the vbs script. :)5   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 17:48:33 -0400t0 From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vl.videotron.ca>4 Subject: Re: System wide mail filters?  ("ILOVEYOU"). Message-ID: <391341A2.2C1BE49@vl.videotron.ca>   David Mathog wrote:, > L > Is there a tool around somewhere for searching the mail files of all usersL > for virus/worm files?   I can block this stuff now with the reject file inK > Multinet, but when I came in this morning there were a couple of ILOVEYOUpL > messages in my mailbox.  These things are harmless to me (one of the great? > advantages of VMS Mail) but might not be to some of my users.   K I would say: block any attachement that is "application/octet-stream". (eg:fA anything coming from a microsoft platform that is "unidentified".u  L If enough corporations did that, it mighht force MS to complay with internetG standards and stop sending all its stuff as "application/octet-stream".h   ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2000 13:54:51 CDTv= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.003546.killspam.013a (Wayne Sewell)s" Subject: the latest billybox virus. Message-ID: <zQyZ6keJGz56@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  I Once again, I had to laugh at the worldwide consternation over the latest L virus infecting billyboxes.  All I can say is that if these people would runG real computer systems, shit like this wouldn't happen to them.  AnytimerM somebody says "why do you insist on reading mail with vms, no attachments, nosN mime, yadda, yadda, yadda", I just remind them of the last incident like this.   Waynen     -- tO ===============================================================================1M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxM: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)IO =============================================================================== C Jake Blues: "Sell me your children!  How much for the little girl?"c   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:22:11 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> & Subject: Re: the latest billybox virus( Message-ID: <8ev6tn$2kq$1@pyrite.mv.net>  J Right.  And to be even safer, don't ever, ever even connect your system toH anything.  And lay in a lifetime food supply, dig a deep hole, and never	 come out.   @ Get a life, Wayne:  at least some of us are tired of your rants.   - bill  H Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.xxx.003546.killspam.013a> wrote in message( news:zQyZ6keJGz56@tachxxsoftxxconsult... >sK > Once again, I had to laugh at the worldwide consternation over the latestaJ > virus infecting billyboxes.  All I can say is that if these people would runeI > real computer systems, shit like this wouldn't happen to them.  Anytime'L > somebody says "why do you insist on reading mail with vms, no attachments, noJ > mime, yadda, yadda, yadda", I just remind them of the last incident like this.- >  > Wayne, >  >  > -- >9L ============================================================================ ===g: > Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738 wayne@tachysoft.xxxo: > http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.htmlH > change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot :-)) >eL ============================================================================ ===eE > Jake Blues: "Sell me your children!  How much for the little girl?"    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 19:38:13 GMT + From: Paul Anderson <panderson@genicom.com> & Subject: Re: the latest billybox virus@ Message-ID: <panderson-901C93.15381305052000@news.earthlink.net>  5 In article <8ev6tn$2kq$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd" e <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote:  B > Get a life, Wayne:  at least some of us are tired of your rants.   But he has a good point:  @ >> All I can say is that if these people would run real computer3 >> systems, shit like this wouldn't happen to them.-   Spot on.   Paul   -- t"    Paul Anderson, DCPS Engineering"    GENICOM Corporation, Gardner MA   ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2000 13:34:25 -0700i* From: dunnett@mala.bc.ca (Malcolm Dunnett)& Subject: Re: the latest billybox virus, Message-ID: <le56WIdBfG$Z@malvm2.mala.bc.ca>  / In article <zQyZ6keJGz56@tachxxsoftxxconsult>, tA   wayne@tachysoft.xxx.003546.killspam.013a (Wayne Sewell) writes:-   > K > Once again, I had to laugh at the worldwide consternation over the latestsN > virus infecting billyboxes.  All I can say is that if these people would run@ > real computer systems, shit like this wouldn't happen to them.  G    Perhaps if the US goverment follows through on their plans to stifleoH Microsofts ability to innovate things will get better. One can certainlyI speculate that if MS were forced to abandon their "closed shop" mentality N and instead had to discuss new system features with the world at large there'dL be more chance people would point out these serious design flaws before it's	 too late.N  B   ps. Does anyone know how you turn off "scripting host" on Win2k?   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 20:37:57 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) & Subject: Re: the latest billybox virus0 Message-ID: <009E9A38.BB5B9ABC@SendSpamHere.ORG>  L In article <8ev6tn$2kq$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>, L who has crawled into bed with thine Redmond enemy as evidenced by the header? X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300, writes:n  K >Right.  And to be even safer, don't ever, ever even connect your system toaI >anything.  And lay in a lifetime food supply, dig a deep hole, and neverl
 >come out. >oA >Get a life, Wayne:  at least some of us are tired of your rants.u  L One man's viewpoint, it's a rant; from another's viewpoint, it reeks of cold harsh reality and truth.    K So Bill, when was the freedom of speech repealed from comp.os.vms and, more J importantly, just how much are you making proselytizing the Redmond league; of misfit programming rogues hell bent on world domination?m  a --N VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001           VAXman@TMESIS.COM  L GNU Freeware -- What does the GNU *really* stand for?  Garbage!  Not Usable!   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 16:58:48 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>n& Subject: Re: the latest billybox virus( Message-ID: <8evcit$73i$1@pyrite.mv.net>  H Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:009E9A38.BB5B9ABC@SendSpamHere.ORG...6 > In article <8ev6tn$2kq$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>,G > who has crawled into bed with thine Redmond enemy as evidenced by the  headerA > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300, writes:V >wJ > >Right.  And to be even safer, don't ever, ever even connect your system toK > >anything.  And lay in a lifetime food supply, dig a deep hole, and nevera > >come out. > >rC > >Get a life, Wayne:  at least some of us are tired of your rants.t > I > One man's viewpoint, it's a rant; from another's viewpoint, it reeks ofn cold > harsh reality and truth. >eH > So Bill, when was the freedom of speech repealed from comp.os.vms and, moreL > importantly, just how much are you making proselytizing the Redmond league= > of misfit programming rogues hell bent on world domination?   E Zippo.  I just get tired of content-free trash from people reeking ofi market-penetration envy.  H Your own posts often have tendencies in that direction, so your reactionK doesn't surprise me.  For a change, try saying something only when you havecJ something to *add* to a conversation.  Note that this suggestion, like theG one to Wayne, hardly constitutes restriction of speech:  it's simply anR expression of disgust.   - bill   >o > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman@TMESIS.COM  > F > GNU Freeware -- What does the GNU *really* stand for?  Garbage!  Not Usable!O   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 16:54:47 -0400e# From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com>B& Subject: RE: the latest billybox virusD Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD6DF@berry.mvpsi.com>   > -----Original Message-----6 > From: dunnett@mala.bc.ca [mailto:dunnett@mala.bc.ca]$ > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 4:34 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr( > Subject: Re: the latest billybox virus >  > 1 > In article <zQyZ6keJGz56@tachxxsoftxxconsult>, oC >   wayne@tachysoft.xxx.003546.killspam.013a (Wayne Sewell) writes:  >  > > > > > Once again, I had to laugh at the worldwide consternation  > over the latest @ > > virus infecting billyboxes.  All I can say is that if these  > people would runB > > real computer systems, shit like this wouldn't happen to them. > @ >    Perhaps if the US goverment follows through on their plans  > to stifled= > Microsofts ability to innovate things will get better. One   > can certainly < > speculate that if MS were forced to abandon their "closed  > shop" mentality @ > and instead had to discuss new system features with the world  > at large there'd= > be more chance people would point out these serious design e > flaws before it'sa > too late.o > D >   ps. Does anyone know how you turn off "scripting host" on Win2k? >e  6 That's like asking how you turn off DCL under OpenVMS!        ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2000 14:45:43 -0700O* From: dunnett@mala.bc.ca (Malcolm Dunnett)& Subject: RE: the latest billybox virus, Message-ID: <8WwLNiC14Wuh@malvm2.mala.bc.ca>  E In article <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD6DF@berry.mvpsi.com>,  (    John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> writes: >> wE >>   ps. Does anyone know how you turn off "scripting host" on Win2k?w >> > 8 > That's like asking how you turn off DCL under OpenVMS! > @     Easy, set your CLI to be MCR ( at least it used to work back on VMS 3 on the 780 ) ;-)l  C    But seriously, it appears that on Win 9x you can go into controlwC panel/add remove programs and deselect scripting host - but I don't  see the equivalent on Win2K.  E   (yes, I know this isn't really the right forum to ask the question)s   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 22:02:11 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)-& Subject: Re: the latest billybox virus0 Message-ID: <009E9A44.7FFBA90B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  R In article <8evcit$73i$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes: >sI >Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in messaget+ >news:009E9A38.BB5B9ABC@SendSpamHere.ORG...77 >> In article <8ev6tn$2kq$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd"h ><billtodd@foo.mv.com>,eH >> who has crawled into bed with thine Redmond enemy as evidenced by the >headerhB >> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300, writes: >>K >> >Right.  And to be even safer, don't ever, ever even connect your system  >tolL >> >anything.  And lay in a lifetime food supply, dig a deep hole, and never
 >> >come out.  >> >D >> >Get a life, Wayne:  at least some of us are tired of your rants. >>J >> One man's viewpoint, it's a rant; from another's viewpoint, it reeks of >cold> >> harsh reality and truth.e >>I >> So Bill, when was the freedom of speech repealed from comp.os.vms and,n >moretM >> importantly, just how much are you making proselytizing the Redmond leaguey> >> of misfit programming rogues hell bent on world domination? >hF >Zippo.  I just get tired of content-free trash from people reeking of >market-penetration envy.e  I ... and when it comes to 'penetration', Monopoly$chlock sticks it in hardn	 and deep!e      I >Your own posts often have tendencies in that direction, so your reactionlL >doesn't surprise me.  For a change, try saying something only when you have  J Well, this *IS* comp.os.vms not comp.os.micro$haft.it's.our.way.or.no.way.      K >something to *add* to a conversation.  Note that this suggestion, like theaH >one to Wayne, hardly constitutes restriction of speech:  it's simply an >expression of disgust.r  J First off, there was no 'rocket science' involved in the latest headliningJ 'virus'.  It was simply and exploit of a REALLY, REALLY stupid feature in-( corporated into bgInc.'s schlockwarez.     --N VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001           VAXman@TMESIS.COM  L GNU Freeware -- What does the GNU *really* stand for?  Garbage!  Not Usable!   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 19:20:52 -0400a# From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com>e& Subject: RE: the latest billybox virusD Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD6E1@berry.mvpsi.com>   > -----Original Message-----@ > From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG [mailto:system@SendSpamHere.ORG]$ > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 6:02 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt( > Subject: Re: the latest billybox virus >  [snip] > ; > First off, there was no 'rocket science' involved in the - > latest headlining : > 'virus'.  It was simply and exploit of a REALLY, REALLY  > stupid feature in-* > corporated into bgInc.'s schlockwarez.   >   L Yes, this thing was just meatball programming, not the creation of a genius.  K But what is the "REALLY, REALLY stupid feature"?  Is it the ability to open0L mime attachments?  A powerful scripting language?  Aren't these good things?L Are we really more secure if opening a mime attachment is a pain in the ass?L The only solution I see is user education.  A lot of people just learned the	 hard way.h   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 19:42:53 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> & Subject: Re: the latest billybox virus( Message-ID: <8evm6i$ei5$1@pyrite.mv.net>  H Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:009E9A44.7FFBA90B@SendSpamHere.ORG...   ...   L > First off, there was no 'rocket science' involved in the latest headliningL > 'virus'.  It was simply and exploit of a REALLY, REALLY stupid feature in-( > corporated into bgInc.'s schlockwarez.  J What the bigots in this group fail to understand, despite the overwhelmingJ market evidence to the contrary, is that for the vast majority of computerH users (the vast majority of whom can barely manage to deal with MS GUIs)L convenience is far more important than anything else:  if they can't use theI machine, it really doesn't matter how secure it is, how often it crashes,o ...u  K Email attachments are convenient.  Most people (see above) are going to use)I systems that provide them, and couldn't care less if VMS doesn't (becausetI VMS doesn't address their needs anyway).  They won't give a damn that VMSeF users can't handle their email attachments, and they likely also won'tL bother about security for their home systems, though in business use someone6 may set up things for them to include some protection.  I Microsoft pays attention to what most users want:  that's why its systemsnH are popular, and *one* of the reasons why VMS is not.  The main thing itL could have done better in this particular case is to include an intermediateG warning screen in its default operation that pops up asking the user ifmG they're *really sure* they want to activate an email attachment that is,C executable rather than simply input data to some relatively trustedyJ application (yeah, Word macro viruses might sneak through that filter, butJ they're an issue to be dealt with in Word rather than in a general-purpose mechanism).e  I And in any event, pissing and moaning about the quality of MS software intJ comp.os.vms accomplishes absolutely nothing and diverts attention from theG real VMS-related problems that *could* be addressed here if people wereaK committed to trying to tackle them rather than complaining that the rest of-- the world just doesn't appreciate their baby.7   - bill   >  > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman@TMESIS.COMs >-F > GNU Freeware -- What does the GNU *really* stand for?  Garbage!  Not Usable!n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 21:52:23 -0500 * From: Keith Brown <kbrown780@usfamily.net>& Subject: Re: the latest billybox virus, Message-ID: <391388E7.5E1D2AD5@usfamily.net>   Bill Todd wrote: > J > Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message, > news:009E9A44.7FFBA90B@SendSpamHere.ORG... >  > ...a > N > > First off, there was no 'rocket science' involved in the latest headliningN > > 'virus'.  It was simply and exploit of a REALLY, REALLY stupid feature in-* > > corporated into bgInc.'s schlockwarez. > L > What the bigots in this group fail to understand, despite the overwhelmingL > market evidence to the contrary, is that for the vast majority of computerJ > users (the vast majority of whom can barely manage to deal with MS GUIs)N > convenience is far more important than anything else:  if they can't use theK > machine, it really doesn't matter how secure it is, how often it crashes,k > ...t > M > Email attachments are convenient.  Most people (see above) are going to usetK > systems that provide them, and couldn't care less if VMS doesn't (becausehK > VMS doesn't address their needs anyway).  They won't give a damn that VMSfH > users can't handle their email attachments, and they likely also won'tN > bother about security for their home systems, though in business use someone8 > may set up things for them to include some protection. > K > Microsoft pays attention to what most users want:  that's why its systemsdJ > are popular, and *one* of the reasons why VMS is not.  The main thing itN > could have done better in this particular case is to include an intermediateI > warning screen in its default operation that pops up asking the user ifaI > they're *really sure* they want to activate an email attachment that is E > executable rather than simply input data to some relatively trusted=L > application (yeah, Word macro viruses might sneak through that filter, butL > they're an issue to be dealt with in Word rather than in a general-purpose
 > mechanism).x > K > And in any event, pissing and moaning about the quality of MS software iniL > comp.os.vms accomplishes absolutely nothing and diverts attention from theI > real VMS-related problems that *could* be addressed here if people werewM > committed to trying to tackle them rather than complaining that the rest ofM/ > the world just doesn't appreciate their baby.d >  > - bill >  > >: > > --6 > > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 > VAXman@TMESIS.COMn > >bH > > GNU Freeware -- What does the GNU *really* stand for?  Garbage!  Not	 > Usable!i  ; Geez Bill, are we bitter? BTW, Netscape on OpenVMS seems toe@ handle attachments just fine on my system. I think Wayne is just; expressing what may of us think, While the world wrings its1= hands about how computer systems all over the world have been ? trashed by the latest virus, somehow only us ignorant dinosaursv9 manage to keep our computers running. We must be ignoranty/ dinosaurs, right, because we don't run Windows.u   -- t Keith Browne kbrown780@usfamily.net   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 01:22:26 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>y& Subject: Re: the latest billybox virus( Message-ID: <8f0a32$t22$1@pyrite.mv.net>  5 Keith Brown <kbrown780@usfamily.net> wrote in message=& news:391388E7.5E1D2AD5@usfamily.net...   ....   > Geez Bill, are we bitter?n  : I pick my words carefully:  'disgusted' was the right one.  "  BTW, Netscape on OpenVMS seems toB > handle attachments just fine on my system. I think Wayne is just= > expressing what may of us think, While the world wrings its=? > hands about how computer systems all over the world have beenyA > trashed by the latest virus, somehow only us ignorant dinosaurs-' > manage to keep our computers running.:  G Well, I use Win98 at home and had no problem keeping it running despitelG receiving a copy of the worm before any alarm had been raised, so don'taI break your arm patting yourself on the back just because VMS wasn't worthl6 bothering to target (even if it had been an easy one).    We must be ignorant1 > dinosaurs, right, because we don't run Windows.l  H No, you're ignorant dinosaurs because you believe that the *rest* of theH world shouldn't run Windows.  Of course, all the people who are wringingF their hands are ignorant too (just not so anachronistic), because theyI believe that somehow this whole fiasco indicates that the Internet sky is@K falling and there's no solution in sight, whereas all people really need to-G do is learn not to execute email attachments that they didn't expect tof receive (duh).  I Yes, Microsoft could help by setting up an intermediate cautionary dialognC box before executing an executable attachment.  But saying it's allsJ Microsoft's fault is like blaming the manufacturer of a pre-airbag car forJ injury to a driver who chose not to wear a seatbelt and had never bothered to learn to drive.   - bill   >o > --
 > Keith Brownl > kbrown780@usfamily.net   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 21:44:00 GMT  From: trdorr@my-deja.com" Subject: RE: Tivoli Agent for VMS?) Message-ID: <8evfat$s7v$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e   Kerry:D I went through installing Availability Mgt, Java and patches only to? find out that the pc and the nodes must be on the same sub-net.yA So, I was not able to use Avaliability Mgt. I understand the next-, release will be able to cross over sub-nets.A What's your experience with Availability Mgt? How does it compareVB with Tivoli, BMC and CA? Can data be stored and compared for time?B What type of printing can Availiablity Mgt do e.g. grahps, charts? Thanks,i Tomd  
 In article? <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284268@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>,s.   "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@Compaq.com> wrote: > Paul,  >r > Fyi -2 >.C > http://www.tivoli.com/teamtivoli/press/openvms_press_release.htmlnF > http://www.tivoli.com/products/documents/whitepapers/openvms_wp.html >g? > Also, if anyone is considering improving their proactive mgmt  capabilitiesB > of OpenVMS systems, I suggest they also include the Availability Managerr4 > product from Compaq (its free, so price is right). >  > Reference:E > http://WWW.OPENVMS.DIGITAL.COM/openvms/products/availman/index.htmlo >n6 > And for those that are interested in web based mgmt:H > http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/mgmt_agents/index.html > 
 > Regards, >n > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant, > Compaq Canadaa > Professional Servicesa > Voice : 613-592-4660 > FAX   : 819-772-7036 > Email : kerry.main@compaq.com- >- > -----Original Message-----4 > From: Paul Nankervis [mailto:paulnank@au1.ibm.com]( > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 9:11 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi  > Subject: Tivoli Agent for VMS? >kD > We have a client using Tivoli monitoring to look after a number of systems,E > and now they would like to include their VMS systems under the sameiF > monitoring umbrella. Does anyone have any experience with any Tivoli > monitoring agents for VMS? > A > I have seen mention of Heroix Robomon in the Tivoli Partnership  information,H > but have been unable to establish whether it acts as a Tivoli agent or	 > whetheryC > it is standalone monitoring for VMS systems. I have sent an emaila asking/ > about this but have received no response yet.e >  > Any information appreciated  >  > Paul Nankervis > paulnank@au1.ibm.com >r    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2000 14:20:19 PST.' From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman)u Subject: UCX Problem* Message-ID: <39133b13.0@news.pacifier.com>  F At my workplace, we have a Vax/VMS system running Vax/VMS V6.2 and UCXC V4.1.  This system is hooked to a LAN via Ethernet.  On the LAN areeE name-servers and gateways to the Internet.  We have a number of hosts % defined in the local host database. Ah   $ Show Hostg  C gives a list of the local hosts without errors.  However, if I do aN  > $ Set Name_Service /System /Enable /Server=(Primary,Secondary)  D wherre "Primary" and "Secondary" have been defined in the local hostE database to be the IP addresses of two name servers, if I again do a     $ Show HostO  E command, after the list of the local hosts, I get the following error 	 messages:e  & %UCX-W-NORECORD, Information not found> -UCX-E-BIND_READERR, Error reading/interpreting query response  F What could cause these messages and how can I get rid of them short of disabling Na Service?0   TIA. -- vI Mike Freeman; Internet: mikef@pacifier.com; Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJo7 /* PGP2.6.2 Public Key available via my ".plan" file */MD "Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits." -- Mark Twain   ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2000 15:08:52 CDT = From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.003546.killspam.013a (Wayne Sewell) " Subject: Re: VEST, last version.... Message-ID: <oNdFI7LFvVgV@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  p In article <009E99F5.F040FE24@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:M > Quickie question.  What was the last released version of DECmigrate (VEST)?vL > Bonus question... What month/year of the Alpha product library CDs might I > find this final release. >  > --   AXPBINMAR994:[VEST011A.KIT]        -- wO ===============================================================================sM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxp: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)gO =============================================================================== C Jake Blues: "Sell me your children!  How much for the little girl?"0   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 11:57:39 +0100l From: nclews@csc.com Subject: Re: VXT2000 questionc6 Message-ID: <002568D6.0041F687.00@uk-fbr10.eu.csc.com>  / I'm posting this by request and adding a littleo6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<  F On 5/4/00, 9:14:01 AM, nclews at csc . com wrote regarding Re: VXT2000	 question:n     |> M.A.Jackson replies:e |o |> >>tM |> >> I have been playing with a VXT 2000 as well. I managed to get the things |> >> up to 18MB of memory,W |9E |> >    Yes, but does it show 18MB both when you do a >>> SHOW CONFIGpJ |> >    _and_ also in the "Total Memory" field of Terminal Manger->Session( |> >    ->Status->System Configuration ? |s; |> Yes it does, 18305 KB and the self test bar shows 18 MB.     9 |    Self test bar always shows then same as SHOW CONFIG.e |r? |    With an earlier mainboard, only 16MB may be available onceD, |    booted.  Others have reported this too.  K I'm not sure how to tell the hardware I have, I think it's a VXT2000-DA and K it has a plug-in SIMM carrying board with three 72 pin slots. This info maytL not help! It's the two-box model (base unit and separate monitor) but I haveM seen the single box variety as well. There is mention in the documentation ofeK an "Image accelerator board" I guess this fits parallel to the memory boardcD into the multipin socket. Anyone chucking one out I can have ? (Part MA-0270-92A according to docs)     |o7 |> >> I replaced the 2MB sims (3 of them) with PC stylee |eH |> >    I was told categorically by a tech that PC SIMM (that's two MMs) |> >    won't work,t  9 |    Correction:  MS200-AA (2MB) and MS200-BA (4MB) SIMM.i    & |> Spelling was never my strong point.   |k |fA |    I was only teasing since you corrected his antic to antique!e  ' the subtlety was lost on me. ah well :)s |d |> >>rJ |> We used to have that patch on a tape, but it appeared that someone long |agoG |> needed the DAT tape it came on, and overwrote it. I'd like to get myp |handsI |> on the latest copy. Of the VXT images I have seen there are some smallt |sized |> ones     ; |    You may be thinking of the VXTEX -- just the X server.h    < |    The VXTLDR is not a server image.  It is a loader which; |    subsequently loads the server image (and opens severala> |    other files) using local area session transport protocol. | @ |    The two stage load (MOP loaded VXTLDR, LASTport loaded VXT): |    enables group and terminal resource files (containing? |    parameters needed at boot time) to be read using LASTport.f    H |> The one I am using is 5069824 bytes big, I assume dated from Jan 1994= |> (per your date above) but I don't know what version it is.t    ; |    Boot it up and see.  The details are show in the fieldo6 |    VXT Software: in the System Configuration window.    P OK, I don't have the VXT to hand so to speak, so I will check it out. ANAL/IMAGEN didn't reveal anything useful, but I guess that is expected because it's not aN VMS EXE. If I use VFE to read the file and display the ACSII, the only thing I7 see that remotely looks like a version number is 05-13!        |D? |    Anyone wanting to use these now has an easy life.  You can-> |    thank Hoff for putting the entire VXT kit (including docsA |    and utilities like the VXT launcher) on the OpenVMS freeware # |    CD and corresponding web site:: |:5 |         http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/VXT/, |e |w> |    Not sure if any of the later revisions of the V2.1 image.? |    You can get VXT2.1KT and its release notes from me.  Happyp= |    to see it on the freeware site but you'll have to let me ( |    know the procedure to feed them in.  M It looks like the full (multi lingual) documentation is there, as well as thea	 "KT" kit.i  P If you are downloading over the web, I needed to change the format of the files. I used DFU to do it like this:o  * MCR DFU SET *.%/rectype=fixed/recsize=9216  K ...to make the backup savesets readable under VMS. (Why 9216 and not 8192 It dunno!)t   |a |wE |> (Mr. Jackson, if you reply and want me to copy to the list on your3 |behalf, | , |> please let me know in the reply, thanks.) |t |l@ |    OK I'd have preferred the first one not to have been posted? |    given that I didn't do a fact check!  I'm happy for you tom> |    post this and will be grateful, if as before, you omit my |    email address.n |r |e
 |    Rgds, |    MJ.  K As requested. Apologies for posting the first without your prior knowledge.LJ Thank you for your information, and thanks to Hoff (as always!) for makingL the software available as it doesn't appear to be available on CONDIST, evenL some of the early ones I checked. The documentation is the place to start toM playing with another piece of Digital's weird and wonderful bits of hardware.m   Regards all, Nic Clews.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 20:16:25 GMTe+ From: Chris Doran <chris_doran@my-deja.com> - Subject: Re: Wanted: VT525 programmers manualb) Message-ID: <8eva68$mhd$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  . In article <8eun5m$ve5$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>,/   "Adrian Lumsden" <A.Lumsden@xdt.co.uk> wrote:h7 > Does anyone have a VT525 programmers manual availablee; > or know of a location on the Internet where I can pick upc > the information? >s: > I am particularly interested in the escape sequences for0 > controlling the colour aspects of the display.  ? I don't have a 525 to try it on, but assuming it's ANSI, like ao< DECterm, for coloured characters on normal background, use:-   esc[30m = blackn
 esc[31m = reds esc[32m = greeni esc[33m = yellow esc[34m = blue esc[35m = magentae esc[36m = cyan esc[37m = whiten  G For hollow character on coloured rectangle, like reverse video, use escm
 [4xm instead.x   Chrisr    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 20:51:43 GMTh+ From: "T.E.Dickey" <dickey@shell.clark.net>r- Subject: Re: Wanted: VT525 programmers manual < Message-ID: <zvGQ4.21017$0o4.208137@iad-read.news.verio.net>  , Chris Doran <chris_doran@my-deja.com> wrote:0 > In article <8eun5m$ve5$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>,1 >   "Adrian Lumsden" <A.Lumsden@xdt.co.uk> wrote:p8 >> Does anyone have a VT525 programmers manual available< >> or know of a location on the Internet where I can pick up >> the information?i >>; >> I am particularly interested in the escape sequences for01 >> controlling the colour aspects of the display.d  A > I don't have a 525 to try it on, but assuming it's ANSI, like a-> > DECterm, for coloured characters on normal background, use:-  @ I'm told that it does this - designed as a clone of the Wyse 3756 (I don't recall that DECterm does ANSI color however).  I > For hollow character on coloured rectangle, like reverse video, use escm > [4xm instead.n  M The 'x' doesn't look right (it should be a final character for that sequence)    -- e Thomas E. Dickey dickey@clark.net http://www.clark.net/pub/dickeyr   ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2000 19:45:06 CDTi= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.003546.killspam.013a (Wayne Sewell)b- Subject: Re: Wanted: VT525 programmers manual . Message-ID: <DIN247Rr3U2O@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  ] In article <8eun5m$ve5$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Adrian Lumsden" <A.Lumsden@xdt.co.uk> writes:a7 > Does anyone have a VT525 programmers manual availablet; > or know of a location on the Internet where I can pick up  > the information? > : > I am particularly interested in the escape sequences for0 > controlling the colour aspects of the display.    N You might check out ebay.  I bought one of these in an auction a few days ago.N I have seen other manuals appear also.  There may not be any of the manual you8 want right this second, but it could appear at any time.   -- hO ===============================================================================uM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)TO ===============================================================================aC Jake Blues: "Sell me your children!  How much for the little girl?"p   ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2000 21:20:51 GMT # From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edut+ Subject: Re: Web-enabling VMS reporting ...l+ Message-ID: <8evdvj$1t5$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>a  % Mark Sterk <strong@chello.nl> writes:e >Wayne Yung wrote: >sG >> I am looking for some web-enabling VMS reporting utilities which can)G >> convert the standard ASCII VMS reports to web-enabled reports.  Doeso  >> anyone have idea about that ? >>F >> REPORT.WEB has claimed itself with such capability, but till now, I$ >> cannot get a copy of that to try. >>
 >> Thank you.  >>	 >> Wayne.y > 4 >Maybe not quite you're looking for but it is cheap. > H >Simply write a DCL script that copies the log file to a ...htm file and( >add the following as a header / footer.  0 You also need to convert all the special symbols4 >,<,&  which must be converted to &gt;, &lt;, &amp;.  	 AscToHTM N   is another alternative.  a    http://www.jafsoft.com/asctotab/  ' Hmmm, the vms link doesn't seem to worko   This seems to though:e  4 http://www.jafsoft.com/asctohtm/a2hvms.html?from=yrl   Wierd.   ><HTML>  ><HEAD>  >   <TITLE>Logfile</TITLE> ></HEAD> ><PRE> >r >............  ascii  .......h >o ></PRE>n ></BODY> ></HTML> >e > E >The <PRE> tag instructs the browser not to mess with the space / taba >format of the ascii text. >-	 >Success,r >e >Markn >@ >a >y Morphis@physics.niu.edu-8 Real Women change tires			abuse@uu.net postmaster@uu.net7 Real Men change diapers                 security@uu.nett   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 18:37:39 GMTw/ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>s' Subject: Where (what) is CMS$ROUTINES.H.G Message-ID: <TxEQ4.39040$PV.2712853@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>d  J Part of our VAXC to DECC migration involved moving from one VAX  (VMS 6.2,1 CMS V3.4) to another VAX (VMS 7.1,   CMS V 4.0-1)   E A programmer  is  now  trying to rebuild some programs, but is havingu, trouble with DECC looking for CMS$ROUTINES.H  I We cannot find that file on either system.   We did find CMS$ROUTINES.SDL  (anybody know what that is?)  C So far I have not found anything about either file on DSN or on then1 Bookreader documentation, but I am still looking.n   TIA,    Johnr   ------------------------------   Date: 5 May 2000 19:59:51 GMTb2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)+ Subject: Re: Where (what) is CMS$ROUTINES.Hg6 Message-ID: <8ev97n$1ue$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  y In article <TxEQ4.39040$PV.2712853@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> writes:tK :Part of our VAXC to DECC migration involved moving from one VAX  (VMS 6.2,n2 :CMS V3.4) to another VAX (VMS 7.1,   CMS V 4.0-1) :iF :A programmer  is  now  trying to rebuild some programs, but is having- :trouble with DECC looking for CMS$ROUTINES.H      What version of Compaq C?l  4   Are there any DECC$* or CC$* logical names around?  D   I will assume you know how to convert from V3.4 to later releases.F   If not, it requires a file creation and a couple of RENAME commands:  0     $ RENAME ddcu:[dir]00CMS.* ddcu:[dir]01CMS.*$     $ COPY NLA0: ddcu:[dir]00CMS.CMS    J :We cannot find that file on either system.   We did find CMS$ROUTINES.SDL :(anybody know what that is?)   C   Yes, SDL files are the standard definition files for OpenVMS, and-;   are used to generate the language-specific include files.a  C   The CMS$ROUTINES.SDL module contains the external references usedp9   for/by programmers using the CMS programming interface.i  D :So far I have not found anything about either file on DSN or on the2 :Bookreader documentation, but I am still looking.  C   Install the SDL images off the OpenVMS Freeware (there's a bug insB   the SDL.COM procedure on the Freeware disks -- see the Freeware C   website for a corrected copy) and issue something that looks likep   the following command:  8     SDL/LANG=C=ddcu:[dir]CMS$ROUTINES.H CMS$ROUTINES.SDL  9   There may be a couple of other SDL qualifiers required.0  K   Also note, there was an incompatible change made to the external symbols  K   between CMS V3.6-10 and CMS V3.7-2, you'll unfortunately need to rebuild pI   images linked against CMSSHR if you upgrade through these CMS releases.oJ   If you are -- as it clearly appears -- recompiling your code, then this    will not affect you.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:46:59 -0600 9 From: "moises_hernandez" <moises_hernandez@email.msn.com>o) Subject: Which is the language of VAX/VMSe) Message-ID: <#E8$CZtt$GA.232@cpmsnbbsa03>   B Do you know which is the lenguage of the VAX/VMS operating system? Is Cobol or Unix?- RegardsA Moises Hernandez   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 15:07:40 -0700m! From: Shane.F.Smith@healthnet.comu- Subject: Re: Which is the language of VAX/VMS18 Message-ID: <882568D6.007991DD.00@WHDOM99.HEALTHNET.COM>  . From: Shane F Smith@FHS on 05/05/2000 03:07 PM     To:   Info-Vax@mvb.saic.comf$ cc:   moises_hernandez@email.msn.com. Subject:  Re: Which is the language of VAX/VMS  D > Do you know which is the lenguage of the VAX/VMS operating system? > Is Cobol or Unix? 	 > Regards  > Moises Hernandez  M That question demonstrates a basic lack of understanding of operating systemseO and computers in general. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume youe2 were posting from ignorance, rather than trolling.  M Operating systems do not generally have single, dedicated languages. They arepP environments in which languages can be used. VMS supports just about every majorP programming language; COBOL, BASIC, ADA, C, C++, FORTRAN, JAVA, etc. Unix is notL a language, it is another operating system which supports a similar range of
 languages.  K  If you are asking what language VAX VMS was written in, there are two coreVN languages. Macro32 and Bliss. On Alpha VMS, C is also used in places.There areK also bundled utilities on both versions of VMS written in most of the otherh available languages.   Shane       H  #####   ---------------------------------------------------------------I #-O-O-# | Shane underbar S on pacbell dot net. Spam to abuse@127.0.0.1  |eH #  L  #  ---------------------------------------------------------------D  #===#   Don't blame HealthNet for anything I say. They're innocent.H   ###    OpenVMS: The operating system God runs the Earth simulation on.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 18:43:02 -0400,2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>) Subject: Which is the language of VAX/VMSc6 Message-ID: <200005051843_MC2-A3F4-5DE@compuserve.com>  J         Unix is an operating system, not a language so the meaning of you= ri question is not clear.  E         VMS is mostly written in BLISS, C, and Macro.   ADA, Fortran,M* BASIC, and other languages have been used.  E         Compilers are available for all the languages I mentioned anda perhaps others besides.m  J         The language used for interactive sessions and batch is called DC= L.  =    J         I hope that I have somehow managed to answer the question you mea= nt to ask.d    * Message text written by "moises_hernandez"C >Do you know which is the lenguage of the VAX/VMS operating system?t Is Cobol or Unix?<   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 17:55:22 -0700 (PDT)b! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> - Subject: Re: Which is the language of VAX/VMSTG Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.1000505175501.23690I-100000@gunn.kednos.com>=  , On Sun, 21 Jul 2019, moises_hernandez wrote:  ' > Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:46:59 -0600h9 > From: moises_hernandez <moises_hernandez@email.msn.com>a > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como+ > Subject: Which is the language of VAX/VMSs > D > Do you know which is the lenguage of the VAX/VMS operating system? > Is Cobol or Unix?    PL/I  	 > Regardsy > Moises Hernandez >  >  >   A                __________________________________________________ A               /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/e@              /_/                                             /_/?             /_/     Tom Linden              PL/I Support    /_/>>            /_/    Kednos Corporation       OpenVMS and     /_/=           /_/   tel 831 373 7003          Tru64 Unix      /_/ <          /_/_____________________________________________/_/;         /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/>   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.252 ************************OW CONFIGpJ |> >    _and_ also in the "Total Memory" field of Terminal Manger->Session( |> >    ->Status->System Configuration ? |s; |> Yes it does, 18305 KB and the self test bar shows 18 MB.     9 |    Self test bar always shows then same as SHOW CONFIG.e |r? |    With an earlier mainboard, only 16MB may be available onceD, |    booted.  Others have reported this too.  K I'm not sure how to teJ` H F` ` "4GBb @Zk 4GG]]#k#  ~  ^( ^0 ~8 G#G  P Hj    "a 
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