1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 10 May 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 261       Contents:+ 1 instance galaxy and getting EBA0: online? / Re: 1 instance galaxy and getting EBA0: online? % Re: Auto login for telnet connections 9 Example: C that runs well elsewhere but SLOWLY on OpenVMS ( Re: External authentication in a cluster( Re: External authentication in a cluster/ Re: ftp.decus.org is back up!  And running VMS! / Re: ftp.decus.org is back up!  And running VMS!  Re: Function key entry Re: Internal date  IO Autoconfigure question.* licenses---need quick and easy information. Re: licenses---need quick and easy information Looking for infor for 4000/200" RE: Looking for infor for 4000/200* Re: Mailbox and synchronization in OpenVMS re: Marketing opportunity  Re: Marketing opportunity ) Memo:   Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it! / Re: MOP Deamon for DECSERVER under MS-DOS/WINxx / Re: MOP Deamon for DECSERVER under MS-DOS/WINxx / Re: MOP Deamon for DECSERVER under MS-DOS/WINxx  Re: Mozilla M15's out... Re: MPI for OpenVMS?# Re: opening record files as streams 4 Re: Problem with Seagate disk on VAXstation 4000 VLC ssh server and client for VMS?" Re: ssh server and client for VMS?" Re: ssh server and client for VMS?" Re: ssh server and client for VMS?" Re: ssh server and client for VMS? static windows Re: static windows Re: static windows Re: static windows Re: static windows Re: static windows System Boot Hangs. Re: System Boot Hangs. Re: System Boot Hangs. Re: tape label in EBCDIC+ What's a fair price for a TZ877 autoloader?  Re: Which VAX to buy? ' Re: Why  RZ28M can't be used on VAX3100 ' RE: Why  RZ28M can't be used on VAX3100   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:10:18 GMT 1 From: schreiber@eisner.decus.org (Jeff Schreiber) 4 Subject: 1 instance galaxy and getting EBA0: online?+ Message-ID: <19zNasTU3DEm@eisner.decus.org>   I     In a VMS Futures & Technical Update session that Hoff gave, he made a I     comment along the lines of "You can program to a 1 instance galaxy on *     any Alpha system running 7.2 or later"  K     So I've been trying to play around with that, and I've run into a small I     problem that I'm assuming is my fault.  I was hoping someone might be ,     able to point me in the right direction.  .     I tried to set up an EBA device.  I added:>         $mcr sysman io conn eba /driver=sys$ebdriver/noadaptor     To SYS$MANAGER:SYCONFIG.COM   >     I do a SYS$ASSIGN to "EBA0" without a problem [I believe],E     then I do a sys$qiow for (IO$_SENSEMODE | IO$M_CTRL) which fails, +     the QIO returned %x84 - SS$_DEVOFFLINE.        This makes sense, since:   $ show dev eba  . Device                  Device           Error.  Name                   Status           Count. EBA0:                   Offline              0. EBA6:                   Offline              0  I     So the question is... what did I miss to get the EBA0: device online?   /     Thanks in advance for any help or pointers.   1                                             -Jeff    ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 2000 15:40:10 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)8 Subject: Re: 1 instance galaxy and getting EBA0: online?6 Message-ID: <8fbvsq$84p$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  _ In article <19zNasTU3DEm@eisner.decus.org>, schreiber@eisner.decus.org (Jeff Schreiber) writes: / :    I tried to set up an EBA device.  I added: ? :        $mcr sysman io conn eba /driver=sys$ebdriver/noadaptor J :    So the question is... what did I miss to get the EBA0: device online?  H   Do you have any shared memory configured and available to the OpenVMS J   Galaxy?  (I'm *guessing* this problem is a result of a failure returned 4   from a glx$shm_reg_create() call within EBDRIVER.)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:24:38 GMT 1 From: schreiber@eisner.decus.org (Jeff Schreiber) . Subject: Re: Auto login for telnet connections+ Message-ID: <jsFfm2HG2HLO@eisner.decus.org>   l In article <V1AR4.7421$Q7.9002464@news-east.usenetserver.com>, "Ruslan R. Laishev" <laishev@dls.net> writes:M > There is example for TELNET server for autologin, look in the Info-Multinet ) > archives at PSC site (www.process.com).  >   L     The corporate website is going through a few changes [Definately for the     better BTW].  K     You can find the Info-Multinet archive much more easily by going to the @     engineering run Multinet webpage... www.multinet.process.com  1                                             -Jeff    --1 Jeff Schreiber,            Process Software Corp. 1 schreiber@mx.process.com   http://www.process.com +      TCPware & MultiNet: Stronger than Ever    ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 2000 17:18:42 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)B Subject: Example: C that runs well elsewhere but SLOWLY on OpenVMS+ Message-ID: <8fc5li$pv@gap.cco.caltech.edu>   E This describes a code construct I've just run into that runs SLOW on   OpenVMS, but ok elsewhere.  H I've been working a bit with POVRAY on Linux/Alpha on some DS10s and forH comparison sake wanted to see how it ran on OpenVMS on a similar DS10.  : I picked up and installed  Robert Byer's POVRAY port from:  E   http://www.ourservers.net/openvms_ports/povray/povray_contents.html   X The example I used ([.SCENES.ADVANCED]WOODBOX.POV "+W800" "+H600" "+FT" "Owoodbox.tga" )K ran in 50-60 seconds on a Linux DS10, but more than 5X slower on an OpenVMS G DS10.  Sending the output to NLA0:WOOBOX.TGA caused it to run nearly as J fast on VMS (68 or 69 seconds) as it did on Linux.  A little poking aroundK showed that the VMS variant, when writing to disk, was spending most of its J time in LEF, never got above 20% CPU time, and I could hear the disk doingJ "t-t-t pause" over and over again.  On looking at the targa driver I foundA the following bit of code, unlike anything I've run into before:       if (handle->buffer_size == 0)    { N     /* Close and reopen file (if not stdout) for integrity in case we crash */       fflush(handle->file);   $     if (!(opts.Options & TO_STDOUT))     { T       handle->file = freopen(handle->filename, APPEND_BINFILE_STRING, handle->file);     }    }   K On Linux and WNT this apparently didn't cause any problems.  That's because J on those OS's the file would be automatically cached in memory so that theE seek to the end of file on the freopen is essentially instantaneous.  K However, on OpenVMS this construct is really, really, REALLY, slow.  Povray H was doing it in this example 600 times, once for each line in the file.   I After ifdef'ing out that section of code the run time on OpenVMS, writing K to a file, was only 68 to 69 seconds.  Highly optimized (compiled module by K module, ARCH=HOST/OPTIMIZE=(LEVEL=5,TUNE=HOST,INLINE=SPEED) it went down to K 59.0 seconds (writing to nla0) or 62 seconds (writing to disk, with RMS set M to extend=3000/block=100/buffer=100).   Here are some run times with Compaq C  on a DS10 running Linux/Alpha    run time    compilation  62          -arch host 53          -O3 -arch host8 50          compile all modules together, -O3 -arch host 61          -O4 -arch host8 55          compile all modules together, -O4 -arch host  L So at first glance it looks like the VMS version with compiler settings set G as above (full optimization) runs at about the same speed as the Linux  K compiler set with -O4 -arch host - which wasn't optimal.  I guess I need to ? back off on the optimizations to come up with the equivalent of J "-O3 -arch host", which should be faster.  I expect that the compute boundE sections of this program should run at exactly the same speed on both  platforms, but we'll see.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 18:44:08 +0100E From: "Dane Maslen" <dane.maslen@real-address-withheld-to-avoid-spam> 1 Subject: Re: External authentication in a cluster . Message-ID: <WfaS4.19317$UC.214042@news2-hme0>  F Alfred Falk wrote in message <8F2B7507Ffalkarcabca@205.233.108.180>...( >Since posting here, I have received theI >solution from Compaq.  I turns out that there is a logical that needs to  >be defined on the VAX node:2 >    $ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC PWRK$ACME_SERVER scsnodeH >where "scsnode" is the node name of the cluster member running Advanced >Server.G >(There is absolutely no mention of this logical in the documentation.)     J I know that is (or possibly only was) a false statement because when I set@ up Pathworks in a cluster about a year ago I read the bit of theK documentation that described the logical and the command procedure that had I to be run at start up.  I will admit however that the documentation dated L from when Pathworks V6 had first come out (i.e. when there was only an AlphaL version) and was describing how to enable a mixed-architecture cluster to doJ external authentication.  Maybe the relevant section has now been removed.G Or maybe it's still there, but not where you were expecting to find it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:03:16 -0700 5 From: Richard  <maher_rjNOmaSPAM@hotmail.com.invalid> 1 Subject: Re: External authentication in a cluster 9 Message-ID: <07d1af35.90dca20e@usw-ex0108-061.remarq.com>   3 What are you people doing anyway? I'm told external 4 authentication is a COM only solution so why are you: bothering? Maybe when VMS offers a COM+ only solution then we'll have TIP compliance :-(   
 Richard Maher      * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:18:29 GMT 1 From: schreiber@eisner.decus.org (Jeff Schreiber) 8 Subject: Re: ftp.decus.org is back up!  And running VMS!+ Message-ID: <JwAoUpLC4AJE@eisner.decus.org>   H In article <39189558.AAF20976@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: > I > Sure this works, but all of the file characteristics are lost this way. F > If a backup kit has a record length of 9000 characters or so, I willE > have to figure this out after I have used FTP to get the file. With I > Decnet over IP I get the file the way the way it is suppose to be, with I > a record lenght of 9000 characters. With Indexed files etc. the problem  > is even worse. > (I'm running VMS 7.2-1)   !     TCP/IP Services I'm guessing?   K     Unfortunately their FTP client and Server use a format for transferring I     vms file attributes that is different from everyone else.  Some other K     stacks understand the TCP/IP services format [+VMS+], but they all seem      to understand STRU O VMS...   N     That would explain why you don't get the proper attributes on a vms-to-vms
     transfer.   -                                         -Jeff    --1 Jeff Schreiber,            Process Software Corp. 1 schreiber@mx.process.com   http://www.process.com +      TCPware & MultiNet: Stronger than Ever    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:21:41 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>8 Subject: Re: ftp.decus.org is back up!  And running VMS!' Message-ID: <39199AA3.90AFA580@home.nl>    Jeff Schreiber wrote:  > J > In article <39189558.AAF20976@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: > > K > > Sure this works, but all of the file characteristics are lost this way. H > > If a backup kit has a record length of 9000 characters or so, I willG > > have to figure this out after I have used FTP to get the file. With K > > Decnet over IP I get the file the way the way it is suppose to be, with K > > a record lenght of 9000 characters. With Indexed files etc. the problem  > > is even worse. > > (I'm running VMS 7.2-1)  > # >     TCP/IP Services I'm guessing?   2 Yes, (it's for free with my hobbiest license :)) )   > M >     Unfortunately their FTP client and Server use a format for transferring K >     vms file attributes that is different from everyone else.  Some other M >     stacks understand the TCP/IP services format [+VMS+], but they all seem ! >     to understand STRU O VMS...   F Does this mean there are FTP clients and/or servers that will copy anyE VMS file exactly the way it is? And if so, what happens when both VMS + systems have different FTP servers/clients?   F But even if this works fine, the ease of a decnet cennection is what I like.  This it what I do:  6 define DECUS FTP.DECUS.ORG::DECUS_FTP:[ANONYMOUS.CD1.]  A And now I can just do someything like DIR DECUS:[000000...]*mime*   E This connection is a full decnet connection, and it is not limited to 
 just copying.    Regards,   Dirk     > P >     That would explain why you don't get the proper attributes on a vms-to-vms >     transfer.  > / >                                         -Jeff  >           > --3 > Jeff Schreiber,            Process Software Corp. 3 > schreiber@mx.process.com   http://www.process.com - >      TCPware & MultiNet: Stronger than Ever    ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 2000 14:36:11 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Function key entry 6 Message-ID: <8fbs4r$6i4$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  g In article <MPG.13835df415154dd49896bb@news.ozemail.com.au>, Peter Huish <huish@ozemail.com.au> writes: H :I need to have a program trap function keys as data entry.  Is there C J :routines that will handle that or or do I need to write QIO functions to  :do passall style reads?  
   Please see:   K     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/srh_examples/qio_extended_read.c   K   Or you can simply give the keyboard over to a screen management package,  ?   such as the SMG RTL or one of the available layered products.   F   Or you can try to use the C single-character I/O functions, and deal   with the sequences manually.  J   I, for one, find the $qio extended read or the screen manager approaches+   far and away the easiest approaches here.   D   Please see the OpenVMS FAQ for pointers to listings of the various0   control sequences (escape sequences) involved.  G   You can also use the SMG dictionary API even if you choose not to use I   the rest of the SMG package -- this makes it easy for you to pull back  G   the specified sequence from the SMG terminal database and thus avoid  D   having to hard-code it into the application(s): SMG$GET_TERM_DATA.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:41:01 GMT - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>  Subject: Re: Internal date( Message-ID: <39198307.342ABC5B@ohio.edu>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > F > In article <8f93uk$1il$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, torlet@my-deja.com writes:> > :I have a problem with fortran and the internal date in VMS. > 3 >   OpenVMS version and platform?  Fortran version?  > J > :The internal date is coded in a quadword in VMS.  The quadword contains3 > :the nuimber of 100nanoseconds since 17-nov-1858.  > F >   17-Nov-1858 being the OpenVMS system base date and the native timeE >   storage format being centiseconds since the base date stored in a  >   quadword, of course.  F The conventional scientific use of "centi" as a metric prefix is 0.01,H or "one percent", as in centimeter.  One might reasonably say either 100F nanoseconds or 0.1 microseconds for the unit of the time quadword, but not centiseconds.   	 						RDP    --  B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:30:10 +0100 : From: "Dean Richard Benson" <dean.benson@remove_metrw.com># Subject: IO Autoconfigure question. , Message-ID: <8fb32k$fsm$1@murrow.sp.trw.com>  	 Hi all...   6 Does anyone know on an Alphaserver 1000A 4/266 running6 VMS 6.2-1H3 when booting from the system cd-rom, if it9 is possible to run the following command to see new disks % plugged into the HSZ disk controller.i   $ mcr sysman sysman> io autoconfigure  = This is one of the only things that I haven't proved with thee* work that I have planned for this weekend.  ' Thanks all for your continuing support.t   Dean   ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 2000 07:30:42 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)3 Subject: licenses---need quick and easy informations. Message-ID: <8fb372$ng4$1@info.service.rug.nl>  H A friend of mine is thinking of starting up a small company which is notG really "internet-related", "e-commerce" or whatever, but would make usee? of computers connected to the internet, mainly for offline data E processing, communication with customers etc.  Of course, I suggestedOD VMS.  Having used VMS many years ago and liked it, this seems a realG possibility, but the issue of licenses has reared its ugly head.  (Hey, G this might even mean a future job for me---and you know how I will pusha VMS then!) X  I In some sense, this harks back to my suggestion in a thread on licensing oF a while back that one have some sort of quick and cheap license which I would be valid as long as profits didn't exceed some margin, i.e. in the oD startup phase.  One then has no worries about this at the beginning I since it is simple, and no problems later since the costs are negligible aE compared to the profits.  However, this doesn't (yet) exist, so more dG traditional options have to be taken.  (It would be interesting to get EI some sort of "official" feedback here; IIRC no-one came up with any real - objections to the scheme.)  ? In principle, there is no problem with just buying the licensesiF required.  However, it is not clear exactly how many of what sorts of G licenses will be needed on what sort of timescale.  Of course, one can V@ always buy the minimum and expand this as needed, but the whole I licensing scheme is---perhaps justifiably, but it's still a disadvantage  @ here---rather hard to follow and what is needed is some sort of G assurance that one won't be punished for buying just the minimum early tI on, i.e. finding out that one would have spent much less money by buying nG in quantity and/or as part of some special offer and/or coupled (again d? perhaps as part of a special offer) with buying some hardware, tE especially as it is reasonably certain that a lot more stuff will be  $ purchased not too far down the road.  G Another issue is licenses for used hardware.  While as I understand it IB one can buy a license for any machine, a transfer is usually less H expensive.  Especially in the case of older hardware where the price of G a license exceeds the price of the hardware (perhaps zero), a transfer  B is to be preferred.  However, often the necessary paperwork isn't I provided, usually because the people can't be bothered.  If one is lucky  D enough to get something for little or no money and save it from the E dumpster, one is not in a position to put the pressure on to get the aE necessary paperwork.  Are such used machines thus effectively barred  H from commercial use?  (Sure, Compaq wants to sell new iron, but as with G the licenses, more can be gained for Compaq in the long run if one can DI start out low-key but legal and then by (much) more powerful stuff a bit  % later when the money starts to flow.)I  H I know that all the licensing stuff is adequately documented.  However, F there needs to be a quick and easy introduction and also perhaps some C advance information about really good deals just around the corner.   E Of course, all the above applies not only to base licenses, but also e/ cluster licenses, layered-product licenses etc.t  E Like it or not, the competition has a much easier-to-follow policy.  -G Sure, folks who REALLY NEED VMS will not use anything else anyway, but  G many more would if it were a "realistic alternative".  Most people who ,C think "we'll start out on platform X, then move to VMS when we can h afford it" probably won't.  H Of course, the "first" thing to do is to contact the local reseller etc C etc.  I've had the experience in the past, though, that they don't l@ always have all the details, so suggested gathering information C informally first.  Even if they do have all the details, it's more  E efficient to have an idea what to expect before actually getting the t4 official information required to make purchases etc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:15:04 -0500g) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>a7 Subject: Re: licenses---need quick and easy information 7 Message-ID: <172c01bfba81$c2846fb0$020a0a0a@xile.realm>   J Determining what licenses you need is directly related to what the company	 is doing.a  D If it qualifies as a CSA or a VAR, then that could be the best path.  L Used equipment with licenses can be had of course.  Cost varies all over the< place, and sometimes seems to have no relation to the value.  I In some cases it may be advantageous to lease the equipment.  This lowersdI your capital investment and can even work in your favor for TAX purposes,r depending on local policies.  A Sometimes you can get a good deal from buying a hardware/softwaret# combination from an authorized VAR.s  I As things can vary by location, you will probably need to talk to vendors  that are local to your area.   -Johnt wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:30:40 GMT+* From: Stephen Henry <stephen@laughnet.net>' Subject: Looking for infor for 4000/200s+ Message-ID: <39198F5F.1755B88@laughnet.net>u  G     I just purchased a couple VAX 4000/200 machines and I'm on the huntoE for as much information as I can get.  At this point I don't have anyaG manuals, though I have been able to identify most of the equipment; I'mrC just not sure how some of it was used when the system was in place.e  D     First off, I'd like to set up a terminal emulator on my PC.  AnyC software you'd recommend?  I'm looking for some sort of turorial onaH hooking up the VAX to the PC too.  I know I'd obviouse go serial, but isA there something that I have to configure on the VAX to supprt the G terminal?   There are a bunch of serial ports hanging out of one of thep( machines, one of which is labeled modem.  G     I have a total of 10 terminals, but only know how to hook up one toaF each machine. I think I'm missing a part or something.  (The terminals? don't have any DB25 ports on the back).  The system came with 4nH DECserver 700s but they all have RJ45 ports on them (16).  Any idea what these would have been used for?   F     And, the biggest question of all.....The system came with 5 drivesE and an r400x cabinet to hold them.  One drive boots openVMS 6.1, goes G through a bunch of stuff and comes to the login prompt.  Unfortunatly IiH don't have an account, but I don't want to wipe the drives either, sinceE I don't have openVMS to reinstall.  Two of the other drives also bootnG openVMS 6.1, but they don't go through the routuine the first one does. G They come to a $ prompt rather quickly, but I can't do much from there. A I've tried several commands and they all fail.  Any idea what I'm  looking at here?  B     Last question:  Does anybody know of any good SMTP servers and mailing list software for VMS?     Thanks in advance    Stevet   --G **NEW** Check Out LaughNet After Dark http://www.laughnet.net/afterdark < Lose Weight Laughing At LaughNet!!   http://www.laughnet.net= Independent Cartoonist's Homepage http://www.laughnet.net/ichp   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:24:38 -0300h1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> + Subject: RE: Looking for infor for 4000/200tK Message-ID: <F150836441C5D311A11700508B6FF01A983448@bdant024.bda.bobda.com>,  I >     I just purchased a couple VAX 4000/200 machines and I'm on the hunt G > for as much information as I can get.  At this point I don't have any-I > manuals, though I have been able to identify most of the equipment; I'mnE > just not sure how some of it was used when the system was in place.R > L Good Man, doesn't really matter how it was used just how you plan to use it.  F >     First off, I'd like to set up a terminal emulator on my PC.  Any > software you'd recommend?  h >  Try Reflections from WRQ  * > I'm looking for some sort of turorial onJ > hooking up the VAX to the PC too.  I know I'd obviouse go serial, but isC > there something that I have to configure on the VAX to supprt thet > terminal?    > E Not on the VAX as far as I know the ports should be set up for serialh connection already.   = > There are a bunch of serial ports hanging out of one of the * > machines, one of which is labeled modem. > I >     I have a total of 10 terminals, but only know how to hook up one totH > each machine. I think I'm missing a part or something.  (The terminalsA > don't have any DB25 ports on the back).  The system came with 4cJ > DECserver 700s but they all have RJ45 ports on them (16).  Any idea what! > these would have been used for?t > + Terminals, printers, modems, take your picke  H >     And, the biggest question of all.....The system came with 5 drivesG > and an r400x cabinet to hold them.  One drive boots openVMS 6.1, goeseI > through a bunch of stuff and comes to the login prompt.  Unfortunatly IlJ > don't have an account, but I don't want to wipe the drives either, since& > I don't have openVMS to reinstall.   > K Boot the systems minimal B/1 or B/R5:1 something along those lines when youn8 get to a SYSBOOT> prompt SET /STARTUP OPA0: and CONTINUED when you get to a $ prompt $ SPAWN and @SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP when this: finished $SET DEFAULT SYS$SYSTEM:,    $MC AUTHORIZE MODIFYB SYSTEM/PASSWORD=password then reboot the machine to SYSBOOT> enter/ SET/STARTUP SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.COM and CONTINUEu  # > Two of the other drives also boot I > openVMS 6.1, but they don't go through the routuine the first one does.fI > They come to a $ prompt rather quickly, but I can't do much from there.sC > I've tried several commands and they all fail.  Any idea what I'm0 > looking at here? > J Probably has /STARTUP set to OPA0: as above reboot the machines to SYSBOOT  and show  the /STARTUP parameter  D >     Last question:  Does anybody know of any good SMTP servers and  > mailing list software for VMS? > J I'll leave this for somebody else but we use Multinet from WWW.PROCESS.COM   - Darren     > Thanks in advanced >  > Steve0 >  > --I > **NEW** Check Out LaughNet After Dark http://www.laughnet.net/afterdarkV> > Lose Weight Laughing At LaughNet!!   http://www.laughnet.net? > Independent Cartoonist's Homepage http://www.laughnet.net/ich  >  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they L are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyinge of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudamF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 10:03:01 -0700n5 From: Richard  <maher_rjNOmaSPAM@hotmail.com.invalid>o3 Subject: Re: Mailbox and synchronization in OpenVMS 9 Message-ID: <0327e4fa.a0735604@usw-ex0108-061.remarq.com>u  6 Nobody in this conference knows anymore than you! Yes,; that's you! Joe Blow at the coal face! Stop putting up withe: th occasional titivation from VMS engineers or "Fred knows: the fire hydrant!" It's exactly this cliquey shit that has# got VMS into the state it is in :-(h  5 Just go to your VMS account manager and say I want to19 update my VMS/Rdb database in the same txn as MTS DTC SQLf; server. It's not rocket science! It's doable! and don't tryt5 and pass me off with some store-and-forward RTR crap!e  8 Let me take the opportunity to point out that it was the: very bright people in ACMSxp engineering that came up with; the interim solition via existing DECdtm calls. And they'vet7 been doing it for years while people like me just shoots/ their mouth off.    (credit where credit's due)t   Regards Richard Maher.  : Rdb engineering may suprise everybody, given that they are: flush with funds from the exit from NT/DUNIX debacle. SQL>9 set authorization external. Is the bee's knees!!! And I'd < much rather call Rdb$pull_tip_tid than an RTR$mine_mine_mine       * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautifuld   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:21:28 +0000t/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> " Subject: re: Marketing opportunity7 Message-ID: <009E9DFA.5913AF1B.18@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>   I > In a previous article, Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> wrote:o > 1 > ->... Our NT systems are very much multi-user. - >  > A minor nit: - > I > While we know what you mean by "multi-user", I believe the correct termH  > should be "roving profiles".    I Actually, no. Roaming profiles are very crude, and involve a bulk copy oftE the user's desktop at every login from server to client, and at everysH logout vice versa. And if your client crashes you potentially lose a lot of work.  B What we do is basically what's described in Microsoft's oxymoronicE "Zero Administration Kit"; the desktop is served across the network,  B not copied. The local client is "locked down" so to a fairly greatC extent, unprivileged users can't mutate it. I wouldn't go so far asgG to call them secure, though; there are more holes than a swiss cheese. r  & > We don't want to advance the popularF > misconception that NT is a "multi-user" system. Multi-tasking - yes. > Multi-user - no.  G Actually, NT IS multi-user, but is normally restricted to one user at atK time,  Services can run under different user-ids to the one user logged in lL to the GUI screen. Conceptually, it's not a lot different to an AlphaStationK with a one-user VMS license. Microsoft terminal server and Citrix Winframe  J extend that to allow a syatem to perform work for multiple users at once.   H W95/W98 ARE merely multitasking (and not good at that either ... IMHO noE use for anything at all, use them and sooner or later you'll come to - regret it.)-  H Once again, not a recommendation. Merely recognition that NT is less bad than it's stable-mates.r   	Yours,a
 		Nigel Arnotc- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                      7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."<   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:35:59 GMTA- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>n" Subject: Re: Marketing opportunity( Message-ID: <391981D9.C9123F85@ohio.edu>  H Not having access to Navigator on VMS, I can only speculate:  what about: an HTML-ized E-mail message, where the HTML includes Java?   				RDPn     Bruce Vinson wrote:q >  > Arne Vajhj wrote: > >r, > > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:- > > > Netscape mail client running on OpenVMSe > >tE > > Can you give please give detailed instruction on how to do that ?t > >r= > > I have tried with both Navigator Gold 3.03 on VMS 7.1 andi= > > Mozilla M15 on VMS 7.2-1 and I can not get any of them to  > > execute code ! > >g > > Arne > J > Since I also tried all of those combos, I'm waiting for the explanation, > too! >  > Bruce Vinson   -- 	B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:21:26 +01000, From: Paul BEAUDOIN <paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com>2 Subject: Memo:   Re: Dropping DECnet..don't do it!: Message-ID: <802568DB.0038E5CC.00@lithium.systems.uk.hsbc>  C I have in plan (such as plans are!) to release the entire system toi? Freeware later this year. A few tidy ups and new version of thesB documentation and I will send it. It is a net documentation systemB that essentially finds and documents every address it can find via6 NICE, LAT, MOP, SCS, IP, IPX - and others. Source codeE documented and as readable as Macro can be, user guide and functionaly spec will be included.< Watch for EMU (Was original Ethernet Monitor Utility but has superseded this somewhat)g            D ********************************************************************B  This message and any attachments are confidential to the ordinaryB  user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also>  be privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy,8  forward, disclose or use any part of the message or itsC  attachments and if you have received this message in error, please B  notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete it from
  your system.o  =  Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure orHA  error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, >  arrive late or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not?  accept liability for any errors or omissions in the context ofe?  this message which arise as a result of Internet transmission.o  aD  Any opinions contained in this message are those of the author and ?  are not given or endorsed by the HSBC Group company or office i=  through which this message is sent unless otherwise clearly oA  indicated in this message and the authority of the author to so d3  bind the HSBC entity referred to is duly verified.   D ********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:01:03 +0300 + From: Jarkko Hermanni Teppo <jate@uwasa.fi> 8 Subject: Re: MOP Deamon for DECSERVER under MS-DOS/WINxx( Message-ID: <3919416F.A785C3D6@uwasa.fi>   Tom Hickerson wrote: >  > Hans,e > , > If you find a MOP that's built, please let) > me know. I have a 3100 that needs to be-
 > retired. >   : If you can live with unix-like systems and just need mopd,@ check out NetBSD (http://www.netbsd.org). A default i386 installB is fast and relatively easy. After install just edit /etc/rc.conf,A enable mopd from there and configure mopd. It's pretty simple andt> you can't beat the price. It also features a variety of other  architectures.  @ I use this for booting some VXT-2000's and it works really well.   -- s Jarkko Teppo
 jate@uwasa.fie   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:00:41 +1000l1 From: "Geoffrey Sinclair" <grsinclair@one.net.au>t8 Subject: Re: MOP Deamon for DECSERVER under MS-DOS/WINxx& Message-ID: <39195be1@pink.one.net.au>  I Tom Hickerson wrote in message <39188a43.25997792@news.mindspring.com>...f >e6 >>When we bought our DECserver 90's in early 1999 they- >>came with a CD with a MOP loader for win 95' > 
 >Geoffrey, >lD >If you can lay your hands on it, what's the part number on the CD ? >  >Tom Hickerson >tom@automatedtech.com    - Sorry I have left the company and do not havet. access to the material any more.  It should be' mentioned as part of the Decserver kit.e   Geoffrey Sinclairm   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:33:47 +0100i* From: "Hans Hamakers" <hamakers@pobox.com>8 Subject: Re: MOP Deamon for DECSERVER under MS-DOS/WINxx% Message-ID: <uRYwZRou$GA.220@net003s>   I Mark D. Jilson wrote in message <39182BFC.6A4CE065@clarityconnect.com>...fD >What kind of DECSERVERs?  A number of them support being loaded viaG >BOOTP so getting them booted w/o VMS can be done.  My sources say thatyE >Pathworks used to have a PC floppy boot support for some DECSERVERs.s >t >Hans Hamakers wrote: D >> Does anyone now if there is a possibility to load DECSERVERs from  >> MS-DOS/WINxx in stead of VMS? >--sE >Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NYa/ > - jilly@clarityconnect.com - Brett Bodine fan - > - Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com - since 1975 or soo- > - http://www.jilly.baka.com               -m >> DECSERVERs : 300,700 90o    hamakers@pobox.com  >f   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:00:21 GMTt3 From: corbett@epp.ne.mediaone.net (Michael Corbett) ! Subject: Re: Mozilla M15's out...e< Message-ID: <VXdS4.10819$Ft1.424190@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  N On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:44:18 -0500, Mike Drabicky <drabicky#dallas.net> wrote:D >On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:47:11 -0600, Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> >wrote:  >cM >>Be advised - I haven't gotten it to run worth a damn on Multinet (although, P >>i'm not sure that's got anything to do with it).  I can send/receive mail thruQ >>it, but it won't load any web pages.  It's also pretty slow, but it is at least  >>much more stable.l >nG >Ditto that. Multinet V4.2a on OpenVMS V7.2-1. M14 at least worked; M15 A >doesn't load any content to any pages. Sure makes browsing fast!s >e  6 FYI - This has been addressed with the following ECO -  I ftp://ftp.multinet.process.com/patches/multinet042/ucxdriver-120_a042.zip   ! here is a pointer to the readme -t  D http://triton.process.com/scripts/eco/eco_tlb.com?UCXDRIVER-120_A042   --- K +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+oD Michael Corbett                           Email: Corbett@process.comB Process Software Corporation              Phone: 800 722-7770 x369B 959 Concord St.                                  508 879-6994 x369= Framingham MA 01701-4682                  FAX:   508 879-0042a   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:48:46 GMT.% From: "P.Lj" <plj@byron.ext.telia.se>0 Subject: Re: MPI for OpenVMS?72 Message-ID: <391968BF.42AE7B5D@byron.ext.telia.se>   Hi,0  V If one could stay close to the standards would be the best way to survive or even make it possible,T I'm currently working on trying to get Dan Clark's VAX/UCX PVM-port to work on AlphaU OpenVMS 7.2 and "Digital TCP/IP Services 5.0", and, I have a access to other parallelk systemsu to confirm functionality. Q I was at the "OpenVMS Conference" here in Sweden with Rich Marcello where I askedk "after" if he knew ifCV CPQ have had any thoughts to port PVM or MPI to OpenVMS, none there knew, as none evenW knew what it was, but they promised to return with an answer, since  there's only a fewe8 in the world that have asked... so I understand what theN answer could be, guess it's up to us who like to think and work in parallel...     /P.Lj      Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann wrote:   > Hi,a >  > some lines deleted...  >tJ > >I don't know about input, but output works that way now with TCP/IP, at > >least from the command line: % > >$ rsh localhost dir/size login.com # > >Directory USRDISK:[USERS.MATHOG]T > >LOGIN.COM;1                7  > >Total of 1 file, 7 blocks.  > K > When I tried to activate multinet-rsh directly by vfork, nothing happens.iI > My explanation is that multinet-rshell needs the cld-definition whereas D > vfork wants to activate the executable or a command-file directly. >oM > >The other problem to address is process activation time.  Ignoring for the L > >moment that creating a process on OpenVMS is relatively slow, there is anJ > >even longer delay as MPI by default uses a series of rsh calls to startK > >processes on the remote machine - one by one.  (There is a newer, fasterMI > >mechanism, but I have not built a version of MPI on Unix which uses ittN > >yet.)  Is there some way on OpenVMS to broadcast "do this on all nodes NOW"L > >(especially if "this" is run a given image)?  Otherwise you could use theI > >queue system.  Hmm, I know that with generic queues you can distribute-L > >jobs to a pool of remote execution queues, but there doesn't seem to be aL > >way to tell a single queue to send the SAME job to all N execution queues3 > >at once?  (It runs as a local job on each node.)0 >bL > I can only speak for tcgmsg and mpi. There are in both cases an activationN > programs (called parallel(tcgmsg) and mpirun(MPI), respectively). They startJ > subprocesses either locally or remotely via rshell. The time to activateI > the program is negligable in comparision to the time the job is runninga > (say 0.5 sec vs. 30 min!). >yF > >I don't see a way to make RUN do this either.  You can send one job > >at a time to each queue withu >o7 > >$ run  program.exe/on="NODE01"/detach/name="MPITEST" 7 > >$ run  program.exe/on="NODE02"/detach/name="MPITEST"r7 > >$ run  program.exe/on="NODE03"/detach/name="MPITEST"  >iG > This would be sufficent, but it is a detached job, no input/output to + > the screen where you are just working on.n >e5 > >but there's no "parallel" method, maybe like this:rJ > >$ run program.exe/on=("NODE01","NODE02","NODE03")/detach/name="MPITEST"J > >For a small number of nodes that would seem reasonable, but what if youJ > >want to run the same job on all 75 nodes?  (Hey, a guy can dream!)  TheT > >command line might then become too long to execute.  Instead you'd probably want:/ > >$ run program.exe/on=*/detach/name="MPITEST"E > >Where "*" means all nodes.RL > >I guess though that you could easily enough have a little .com running onI > >each node continually monitoring a logical in LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE andeN > >starting jobs as appropriate.  This procedure could be started more slowly,I > >perhaps at boot time.  Put in a .01 second wait and the load should bem > >negligible.J > >The PPL$ calls looked like they might have been the way to go, but they! > >only work within a given node. I > >So what's the best VMS specific way to start the same job on N-1 nodesmN > >simultaneously in a cluster and set up open communications channels back to > >the Nth node? >uQ > A "$ mc path:program.exe/on="NODE1"/input=tt:/output=tt: parameter1 parameter2" V > would be the best solution. Why could I activate only a detached job in a cluster??? >Y
 > EberhardQ > ===============================================================================o >o > Dr. Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann' > Univ. Konstanz > Fakultaet fuer Chemies > Universitaets-Strasse 10 > D-78464 Konstanz	 > Germanyo0 > Phone: +49-7531-88-2026, FAX: +49-7531-88-3139, > email: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de > Q > ===============================================================================S   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 11:04:58 -0400y" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>, Subject: Re: opening record files as streams8 Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20000510105514.01d08660@24.8.96.48>  / At 02:54 AM 5/10/00 +0000, Judy Anderson wrote: C >Our problem is that on certain of our Alpha VMS systems, we end upw@ >writing out one character per line.  (Interestingly both of theE >systems are VMS 6.2.  There must be some difference in configurationl >or installed libraries.)   L Sounds like you have different versions of the C RTL on these systems. Find H and install the latest ALPACRT ECO. You might also be using a file that J already exists, but which has 'odd' (at least as far as you're concerned) @ file attributes. Delete all the versions and try starting fresh.  < >I have been poking around on the Compaq website looking forD >information about file opening modes.  I tried to use "ctx=stm" andC >"rfm=stmlf", since that seemed like it would be the most UNIX-liket? >thing, however that doesn't work because the file contents areeF >interrupted every line with line length information.  I next tried toA >use "mrs=32767", but that appeared to have no effect.  I tried a1F >number of other variants for context, record format, line length, and# >nothing seemed to give me any joy.i  L This all makes it sound like the original file was in Variable format. It's G a very nice format, but not one that lends itself to what you're doing.w  D >I also tried using the set file/attribute command before running my> >program, but that does not seem to do actual data conversion.  J SET FILE/ATTRIBUTE only changes the attributes, it doesn't alter the file % itself any. That's what CONVERT does.t  H Update the C RTL and start with a fresh version of the file (which your ( program creates) and you should be fine.     					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------t2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and evene;                                       teddy bears get drunkh   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 10:36:36 +0200d% From: David Romero <romerod@gedas.es>n= Subject: Re: Problem with Seagate disk on VAXstation 4000 VLCh( Message-ID: <39191F93.1F7AC159@gedas.es>   Hi,   J I think you have a duplicate ID or this kind of disk isn't compatible with VaxStation 4000 VLC hardware.e   You can try to do:  3 >>> test SCSI            to check scsi devices,  orn  . >>>show config        to display configuration     David B Sneddon wrote:   > Hi Folks,d > F > I posted this question a week or so ago and didn't see any responsesC > and still haven't found any documentation to answer the question.e >gB > I am trying to install a Seagate Barracuda ST32272N drive into a6 > VAXstation 4000 VLC.  On booting I get the following >p > ?? 110  10 SCSI 0034 > 5 > What I want to know is what does the 0034 indicate.  >iH > The VLC is clustered with a VAX 4000-200 so is not trying to boot from > the disk.rD > Since I am trying to install this internally, it may be the cable.$ > I have an external disk and CDROM. > --
 > Regards, > Dave.aK > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- K > David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.comiK > DBS software at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmtK > "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennonl   ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 2000 12:43:15 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)' Subject: ssh server and client for VMS? . Message-ID: <8fblh3$sr7$2@info.service.rug.nl>  H I know that there are some freeware ssh client and server stuff for VMS.  A Are there any plans to include this in a future version of TCPIP s Services (ex UCX)?  G Do folks recommend installing the free stuff, if I want to use it soon?    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:23:14 GMTf/ From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>e+ Subject: Re: ssh server and client for VMS?f) Message-ID: <39191C72.77220E0F@uiowa.edu>r   Phillip Helbig wrote:e > J > I know that there are some freeware ssh client and server stuff for VMS. > B > Are there any plans to include this in a future version of TCPIP > Services (ex UCX)? > I > Do folks recommend installing the free stuff, if I want to use it soon?h  @ I am familiar with the SSH Server by Dave Jones (OSU HTTP Server author!)G and it is working OK with my UCX VAX and Alpha systems (OpenVMS v6.2 oro greater) and Win9x6 clients.(http://er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu/~jonesd/ssh/)  H However, I have never found an OpenVMS client that does SSH 1 or 2.  Can' you (or anyone else) provide a pointer?F   Regards, rick -- iH Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479h   ------------------------------   Date: 10 MAY 2000 14:03:31 GMT6 From: greenwoodde@feda01.fed.ornl.gov (Dave Greenwood)+ Subject: Re: ssh server and client for VMS? 2 Message-ID: <10MAY00.14033141@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>  0 "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> wrote: > Phillip Helbig wrote:= > > L > > I know that there are some freeware ssh client and server stuff for VMS. > > D > > Are there any plans to include this in a future version of TCPIP > > Services (ex UCX)? > > K > > Do folks recommend installing the free stuff, if I want to use it soon?  >  1B > I am familiar with the SSH Server by Dave Jones (OSU HTTP Server
 > author!)I > and it is working OK with my UCX VAX and Alpha systems (OpenVMS v6.2 orC > greater) and Win9x8 > clients.(http://er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu/~jonesd/ssh/) >  tJ > However, I have never found an OpenVMS client that does SSH 1 or 2.  Can) > you (or anyone else) provide a pointer?i  B FISH ( http://www.free.lp.se/fish/ ) is a free SSH 1 client.  I'veC installed both it and the OSU server on several systems.  They work.G fine for me.  Haven't seen an SSH 2 client (or server) for VMS however.f? Since none of the remote sites I deal with regularly have SSH 2t+ installed that's not been a problem for me.i  H Biggest problem with FISH for me is the lack of an scp utility, althoughF I have transferred text files using various FISH/INPUT and FISH/OUTPUT
 incantations.    Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:24:33 +0200m$ From: Jacek Tobiasz <jtb@atm.com.pl>+ Subject: Re: ssh server and client for VMS?e? Message-ID: <00May10.162434met_dst.14357@gateway.hq.atm.com.pl>a   "Richard L. Dyson" wrote:r >  > Phillip Helbig wrote:b > >eL > > I know that there are some freeware ssh client and server stuff for VMS. > >oD > > Are there any plans to include this in a future version of TCPIP > > Services (ex UCX)? > > K > > Do folks recommend installing the free stuff, if I want to use it soon?e > B > I am familiar with the SSH Server by Dave Jones (OSU HTTP Server
 > author!)I > and it is working OK with my UCX VAX and Alpha systems (OpenVMS v6.2 orr > greater) and Win9x8 > clients.(http://er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu/~jonesd/ssh/) > J > However, I have never found an OpenVMS client that does SSH 1 or 2.  Can) > you (or anyone else) provide a pointer?-   yes !-   http://www.free.lp.se/fish/,   Works fine.:   Regards  Jacek    ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 2000 14:47:11 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)+ Subject: Re: ssh server and client for VMS? 6 Message-ID: <8fbspf$6i4$4@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  [ In article <8fblh3$sr7$2@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:iI :I know that there are some freeware ssh client and server stuff for VMS. B :Are there any plans to include this in a future version of TCPIP  :Services (ex UCX)?   B   Assuming that we can work out the export control and support andD   other related issues (not the least of which is development), thenC   yes, I would expect to see secure sockets or ssh or similar in a w   future release.o  H :Do folks recommend installing the free stuff, if I want to use it soon?  @   If you can meet the conditions of the licenses, then there are   folks using it...M  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:46:53 +0200 % From: David Romero <romerod@gedas.es>G Subject: static windows ( Message-ID: <391905DD.CF92E1B9@gedas.es>  # I have a vax 4000 with OpenVms 6.2.mC When I log into the vax one application runs automatically and it'st. impossible to move any windows on the desktop.  ? Can someone help me to find the command to allow move windows ?   " (I have administrator provileges )   Thanks,a     David3   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:35:43 -0500a) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>g Subject: Re: static windowss7 Message-ID: <173801bfba84$a622c850$020a0a0a@xile.realm>c  % > I have a vax 4000 with OpenVms 6.2.S  @ Ok, that isolates it down to one of aproximately a dozen models.  E > When I log into the vax one application runs automatically and it's 0 > impossible to move any windows on the desktop.  C Presumably it has graphics hardware.  Or are you using some sort ofi  X-terminal / remote workstation?  E I am also presuming that you are not logging into the console window.h  A > Can someone help me to find the command to allow move windows ?e  L Since you have a window, I would guess that you do not have a window manager running.  J If you still have access to the session manager's option menu, you can add> it in to the startup group.  It is generally there by default.  E If it is already there, then you could have some system configuration:+ problem that is preventing it from running.4  L Look for new SYS$LOGIN:*.LOG files.  Also check accounting for a terminationH status.  If image accounting is not on, you can turn it on briefly for a check.     Likely suspects are:  @ Bad code in SYLOGIN.COM/SYS$LOGIN:LOGIN.COM,SYS$LOGIN:DECW$*.COM   Bad DECW$* logical names.h  I Bad configuration files.  These are DECW$*.DAT, and VUE$*.DAT, and can beiG found in a variety of places.  There are user specific ones that are intK DECW$USER_DEFAULTS:, and DECW$SYSTEM_DEFAULTS:.  The second logical name iseD a search list with a [.USER] directory for site specific global user customizations.k  ) Insufficient quotas for the user account.   5 Insufficient SYSGEN parameters for the configuration.p  $ > (I have administrator provileges )  9 Is it just one user that is messed up or are all of them?/  : Do you have a reference system that works to compare with?   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2000 09:40:45 -04004 From: "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: static windowsi) Message-ID: <B53EDF1F-FBA6@165.247.47.11>5  D On Wed, May 10, 2000 2:46 AM, David Romero <romerod@gedas.es> wrote: >m$ >I have a vax 4000 with OpenVms 6.2.D >When I log into the vax one application runs automatically and it's/ >impossible to move any windows on the desktop.e >.@ >Can someone help me to find the command to allow move windows ? >b# >(I have administrator provileges )c  F It sounds like the Window Manager isn't starting when you log in.  It F should always be in the Automatic Startup list.  You can also start itE manually.  If the session manager is available (and not covered up bycD something else) you can find the window manager in one of the menus.A If you have a DECterm available you can get a window manager withw+ something like RUN SYS$SYSTEM:DECW$MWM.EXE.h     ---------------------------g Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:08:05 +0200n% From: David Romero <romerod@gedas.es>e Subject: Re: static windowsI( Message-ID: <39196D45.F9089BCD@gedas.es>  I Windows Manager is running, and I have some DECterms windows, but I can'tb' neither move its nor change treir size.    Any suggestion ?   Thanks,    Davidt   Robert Deininger wrote:u  F > On Wed, May 10, 2000 2:46 AM, David Romero <romerod@gedas.es> wrote: > >h& > >I have a vax 4000 with OpenVms 6.2.F > >When I log into the vax one application runs automatically and it's1 > >impossible to move any windows on the desktop.a > >lB > >Can someone help me to find the command to allow move windows ? > >m% > >(I have administrator provileges )  >rG > It sounds like the Window Manager isn't starting when you log in.  It.H > should always be in the Automatic Startup list.  You can also start itG > manually.  If the session manager is available (and not covered up byoF > something else) you can find the window manager in one of the menus.C > If you have a DECterm available you can get a window manager with - > something like RUN SYS$SYSTEM:DECW$MWM.EXE.  >e > ---------------------------U > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.comn   ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 2000 14:44:07 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: static windows,6 Message-ID: <8fbsjn$6i4$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  P In article <391905DD.CF92E1B9@gedas.es>, David Romero <romerod@gedas.es> writes:$ :I have a vax 4000 with OpenVms 6.2.  9   Which release of DECwindows?  How much physical memory?c  < :When I log into the vax one application runs automatically   F   What would that application be?  A standard DECwindows application, '   or something specific to the system? s  A   If the system and the system disk are of unknown origins and oftB   unknown contents, I'd encourage you to simply reinstall OpenVMS >   and DECwindows and such get back into a known configuration.  8 :and it's impossible to move any windows on the desktop.  A   I will assume the mouse and keyboard are working, and that you E@   have not gotten yourself into "dead rodent" mode.  See DECW12 @   in the OpenVMS FAQ for details.  (The dead giveaway for being A   in "dead rodent" mode: the arrow keys on the keyboard move the ,   mouse pointer around.)  @ :Can someone help me to find the command to allow move windows ?  =   Something is screwed up on this system, the system is badly1C   mistuned or misconfigured, or you are unfamiliar with DECwindows nG   and with windows around (no offense is intended, we were all newbies  B   once), or something else here is preventing you from moving the    windows around.o  # :(I have administrator provileges )b  E   More usually called "all" or "full" privileges on OpenVMS, and not mC   directly relevent here. :-)  Though full privileges can certainly ?   be useful when running AUTOGEN or when reinstalling packages.o  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:58:03 +0100k- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>  Subject: Re: static windowso) Message-ID: <391978FB.80B69CD2@bbc.co.uk>y   David Romero wrote:o  K > Windows Manager is running, and I have some DECterms windows, but I can'tn) > neither move its nor change treir size.m >a > Any suggestion ?  K On what basis are you maiing the statement "Windows Manager is running". Itn sure> sounds like the Motif Window Manager MWM is not running to me.   > Robert Deininger wrote:= >=H > > On Wed, May 10, 2000 2:46 AM, David Romero <romerod@gedas.es> wrote: > > >-( > > >I have a vax 4000 with OpenVms 6.2.H > > >When I log into the vax one application runs automatically and it's3 > > >impossible to move any windows on the desktop.i > > >nD > > >Can someone help me to find the command to allow move windows ? > > >=' > > >(I have administrator provileges )  > >-I > > It sounds like the Window Manager isn't starting when you log in.  It J > > should always be in the Automatic Startup list.  You can also start itI > > manually.  If the session manager is available (and not covered up by0H > > something else) you can find the window manager in one of the menus.E > > If you have a DECterm available you can get a window manager witht/ > > something like RUN SYS$SYSTEM:DECW$MWM.EXE.e >m  F There is also a "Start Window Manager" command defined in fileview, ifE you map it to one if its menus you can delete the open windows one bynI one until the session manager is activated, then start the window manager  from  a pull down menu item.     > >a > > ---------------------------d > > Robert Deininger > > rdeininger@mindspring.coms   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uke  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofw MedAS or the BBC.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:37:44 +0800x? From: "Samson, Hugh (PiC at Alcoa)" <Hugh.Samson2@alcoa.com.au>. Subject: System Boot Hangs.rL Message-ID: <E9CFD28F6991D111A45B0000F67E4D2102CBA135@aua_kwi.kwi.alcoa.com>   Folks,  + A stupid question probably, but I am stuck.a  H I'm trying to restore an image backup of the system disk from one system) (VAX 6610, OVMS7.1) to another (VAX4200).s  B The backup of the 6610 was taken using standalone backupt to tape.  K I boot the 4200 from a standalone backup tape, and succesfully restore fromoL the backup of the 6610's system disk to what I want to be the system disk on	 the 4200.o  L When attempting to boot the 4200 conversationally (using either "SET/STARTUPG OPA0:" or "SET STARTUP_P1 "MIN" "), the initial banners appear (sysdump-K mapped, OVMS7.1), there is a bit more disk activity, then the system hangs. D It does not reach the stage of running the system startup procedure.  J I tried using "SET DEFAULT" etc at the sysboot prompt, but got no further.  H I thought this may be to do with size incompatabilities of the disks, so7 restored again without the pagefile, but no difference.u  K I tried with P2 to view the running dialog of the startup, but it obviously1" doesn't get this far as no output.   Any suggestions?     Hugh Samson       _ Alcoa World Alumina Australia is a trading name of Alcoa of Australia Limited,  ACN 004 879 298S   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 10:24:30 +0200y% From: David Romero <romerod@gedas.es>t Subject: Re: System Boot Hangs.d( Message-ID: <39191CBE.82771DF2@gedas.es>   Hi,y  b One time I found the same problem when I tried to restore an image backup. I don't know de reason,F but I unplug the network wire and boot de computer. The system starts.  Z To start the computer with network wire I put:  SET VAXCLUSTER 0 to avoid boot in cluster.  A After that, I configure again this computer how a cluster member.0  L I don't know if it's your case, but I hope this information could helps you.   Regard,e   Davidt     >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 06:48:46 -0400a2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: System Boot Hangs.i7 Message-ID: <200005100649_MC2-A46A-F2ED@compuserve.com>@  J         Just one nit to pick.  SET DEFAULT won't do a thing for you.  Try=   USE DEFAULT.  5 Message text written by "Samson, Hugh (PiC at Alcoa)"e, >A stupid question probably, but I am stuck.  H I'm trying to restore an image backup of the system disk from one system) (VAX 6610, OVMS7.1) to another (VAX4200).V  B The backup of the 6610 was taken using standalone backupt to tape.  J I boot the 4200 from a standalone backup tape, and succesfully restore fr= omJ the backup of the 6610's system disk to what I want to be the system disk=   on	 the 4200.a  ? When attempting to boot the 4200 conversationally (using either- "SET/STARTUPG OPA0:" or "SET STARTUP_P1 "MIN" "), the initial banners appear (sysdumpdJ mapped, OVMS7.1), there is a bit more disk activity, then the system hang= s.D It does not reach the stage of running the system startup procedure.  J I tried using "SET DEFAULT" etc at the sysboot prompt, but got no further= .n  H I thought this may be to do with size incompatabilities of the disks, so7 restored again without the pagefile, but no difference.w  J I tried with P2 to view the running dialog of the startup, but it obvious= ly" doesn't get this far as no output.   Any suggestions?<d   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:18:54 GMTs, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)! Subject: Re: tape label in EBCDICn+ Message-ID: <rbbEVIySTgfV@eisner.decus.org>e  L In article <8f9rtg$mh$1@news.IAEhv.nl>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:> > If I remember correctly, ANSI tape labels are always EBCDIC.  G Certainly not!  ANSI tape labels are in ASCII, the layout happens to beSB almost exactly the same as IBM SL lables, but those are in EBCDIC.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil Group E  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replyingr   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 04:19:34 -04000$ From: Kent Rankin <krankin@usit.net>4 Subject: What's a fair price for a TZ877 autoloader?( Message-ID: <39191B96.61B9DAFD@usit.net>  E 	Just trying to find out what a good price for a TZ877 autoloader is.   E 	Basically a 7-tape DLT III autoloader by DEC, in case anyone readings isn't familiar.     
 						Thanks,e 						Kent Rankinr    E P.S. - An email'ed carbon copy would be wonderful if at all possible.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:19:12 GMTt0 From: carlini@true.lkg.dec.com (Antonio Carlini) Subject: Re: Which VAX to buy?* Message-ID: <8fb1un$arn@usenet.pa.dec.com>  V In article <8f94ch$267$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Chris Doran <chris_doran@my-deja.com> wrote:D >FWIW, a UK surplus dealer has just _offered_ me 200 UK pounds for aH >4000/60 plus some other bits. They will expect to _sell_ it for 5 to 10 >times that price.  M FWIW Prodec in the UK (just to help you gues sthe url :-) ) currently have a wH 4000-60 SBB (so, no monitor, I guess) on offer for 100UKP (which, oddly O enough, is less than they want for a VLC!); I cannot imagine that your surplus iN dealer will manage to sell it for 1000-2000UKP, unless they put it up on ebay  and call it a ZX80 of course!    Antonios     I Antonio Carlini                            Mail: carlini@true.lkg.dec.com.# DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS EngineeringS6 COMPAQ                                     Reading, UK   ------------------------------   Date: 10 May 2000 14:27:18 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)0 Subject: Re: Why  RZ28M can't be used on VAX31006 Message-ID: <8fbrk6$6i4$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Y In article <p1$LGkuI7awH@malvm2.mala.bc.ca>, dunnett@mala.bc.ca (Malcolm Dunnett) writes:s8 :In article <8f9j28$8up$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, 8 :   hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:, :>   either corrupts the disk or it doesn't. :> sP :>   If you know what you are doing, then you can likely keep from getting into 6 :>   trouble with the larger disks (above 1.073 GB)... : N :   I presume then it would be a good idea to set DUMPFILE=0 in MODPARAMS.DAT,6 :so that autogen won't automatically try to resize it?  #   That's certainly of value here.  e  M   If you choose to "risk" running with a larger disk, you need to be careful iI   that the dump file (or the page file, if that is where you are writing  K   dumps) never creeps out past the threshold, due to the creation of a new :H   version, resizing, or disk restoration.  DUMPFILE=0 and PAGEFILE=0 canI   certainly reduce the chances that an AUTOGEN pass will relocate some ofcG   the core files, and thus potentially relocate the files out past the .9   SCSI block addressing limit present in the console ROM.m  J   Though not as significant from the perspective of data corruptions, you J   will want to ensure that the files critical to the bootstrap also don't H   also creep out past the threshold.   The locations of these files are C   obviously not affected by the DUMPFILE=0 and PAGEFILE=0 settings.p  I   You could also explicitly place files or a virtual disk partition file  E   out in the "forbidden" block range, of course -- there are ways to  H   "bypass" the limitation, but this is not something you really want to !   do in a production environment.-  H   Murphy predicts that the files will be moved when you are on holiday, E   or after you are promoted and a system manager with less experience-E   or with less appreciation for your "creative skills" :-) takes over F   for you.  (And remember that the corruptions can occur days or weeks5   or even longer after the files are actually moved.)O  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:09:02 -0300)1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>-0 Subject: RE: Why  RZ28M can't be used on VAX3100K Message-ID: <F150836441C5D311A11700508B6FF01A983443@bdant024.bda.bobda.com>s   Terry,  E 	Two questions, how did you mark the higher blocks as bad and why waseI the directory renamed to a mirror image, what did this and why and why sol cryptic. TIAl Darren   > ----------6 > From: 	Terry Marosites[SMTP:TMarosites@unitedad.com]& > Sent: 	Tuesday, May 09, 2000 6:30 PM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com3 > Subject: 	RE: Why  RZ28M can't be used on VAX3100  > 	 > Hi All, L > Last year I had to for a last minute y2k conversion use a big gig drive onJ > my 5.5-2h 3100, all work find until that magic usage number was hit thenJ > wham bam crashes, and even worse lost data, and one very funny directoryL > whose name was ( convertedfiles.dir was renamed to selifdetrevoc.rid).What > IiG > finally did thanks the people here was to set the higher block as badr > blocksL > (yes this wasted space that I needed desperately, but it worked) So if youG > have one of these drive you can use it, But don't bet the farm on it.n >  > Terry  >  > -----Original Message-----L > From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam [mailto:hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam]& > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 10:49 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComC1 > Subject: Re: Why RZ28M can't be used on VAX3100o >  > H > In article <4.2.0.58.20000509083526.00ac1c10@pop.clsp.uswest.net>, Dan% > O'Reilly <dano@process.com> writes:hI > :Actually, you should be able to boot off of it, provided everything isi" > :in the first 1gb of disk space. > J >   Booting isn't the really interesting part, since it either boots or itL >   doesn't.  Crashing, on the other hand, is rather more interesting, as it+ >   either corrupts the disk or it doesn't.g > I >   If you know what you are doing, then you can likely keep from gettingv > intoJ >   trouble with the larger disks (above 1.073 GB), but if you're not veryK >   careful, an OpenVMS upgrade or an ECO kit can push the dump file or therI >   page file above the threshold, and then things can get "interesting".s > 4 >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion > ---------------------------e1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringp > hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >  > 7 > *****************************************************o >  > 7 > *****************************************************i6 > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author+ > and do not necessarily represent those ofe > United News& Media.t7 > *****************************************************o6 > The information transmitted is intended only for the3 > person or entity to which it is addressed and mayp5 > contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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