1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 19 May 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 279       Contents:+ re: .doc dangers (was: VMS on the desktop?) ! A problem with incremental backup < Re: Accessing the assembler from Dec C++ on Alpha Tru64 Unix< Re: Accessing the assembler from Dec C++ on Alpha Tru64 Unix< Re: Accessing the assembler from Dec C++ on Alpha Tru64 Unix Re: Backup image problem Re: Backup solution/server Document standards.   Re: F$GETQUI() and job info help6 Re: F$GETQUI: How do I maintain DISPLAY_QUEUE context? Re: find out of date firmware? Re: find out of date firmware? Gartner commentary on Wildfire" Re: Gartner commentary on Wildfire" Re: Gartner commentary on Wildfire Re: How To Strip <CR><LF> & I Don't want that cluster. What to do?* Re: I Don't want that cluster. What to do?* Re: I Don't want that cluster. What to do?* Re: I Don't want that cluster. What to do? Re: INSVIRMEM when linking% Re: Is "The GNU on VMS Project" dead? % Re: Is "The GNU on VMS Project" dead?  latest Outlook virus Re: latest Outlook virus Re: latest Outlook virus. Limiting Decnet Phase IV access with VMS 7.1-22 Re: Limiting Decnet Phase IV access with VMS 7.1-22 Re: Limiting Decnet Phase IV access with VMS 7.1-2L Re: LINKING F90 programs leads to "multiply defined" and "undefined" CMA$TIS7 Re: LN15 printer setup: job remains in "starting" state 1 MicroVAX 2000 VUPS ( was Re: VMS on the desktop?) 5 Re: MicroVAX 2000 VUPS ( was Re: VMS on the desktop?) 5 Re: MicroVAX 2000 VUPS ( was Re: VMS on the desktop?) 5 Re: MicroVAX 2000 VUPS ( was Re: VMS on the desktop?) 5 Re: MicroVAX 2000 VUPS ( was Re: VMS on the desktop?)  Re: multia communication port  Need urgent help Re: Need urgent help2 Re: OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies2 Re: OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies Problems with DXmPrintBox - Re: qio completion time, after process exits?  Re: the latest billybox virus  Re: the latest billybox virus  Re: the latest billybox virus  Re: the latest billybox virus ! TLZ9L Autoloader - Documentation?  Re: UCX Printing Problems  Re: UCX Printing Problems  Re: UCX Printing Problems  Re: Ultrix for mVax3100 ?  undeleted utillity Re: undeleted utillity Re: VMS File Modes Re: VMS File Modes Re: VMS File Modes Re: VMS File Modes Re: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop?  re: VMS on the desktop?  re: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop? & re: VMS on the desktop? (.doc dangers)& re: VMS on the desktop? (.doc dangers)& Re: VMS on the desktop? (.doc dangers)& Re: VMS on the desktop? (.doc dangers)6 Re: VMS on the desktop? (TD to webmaster form letters) Re: Wildfire Announcement = Re: Wildfire Announcement: Michael Capellas, can you say VMS? = Re: Wildfire Announcement: Michael Capellas, can you say VMS? = Re: Wildfire Announcement: Michael Capellas, can you say VMS? ! Re: Windows 98 Vs. Windows NT 4.0   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 13:10:45 GMT 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) 4 Subject: re: .doc dangers (was: VMS on the desktop?)+ Message-ID: <RAImch1hJyzn@eisner.decus.org>   i In article <009EA50B.1CB7C4E5.26@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>, Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> writes:   I > If word is set to warn about macros, you'll get a warning. But when did $ > you last check your word settings?  E The last time I checked my Word settings, it was set at version 5.1a, D the version before they introduced support for Macro Viruses.  SinceE changing the settings requires a purchase order, I feel confident the  settings are still the same.   ------------------------------   Date: 19 May 00 16:16:20 +0100  From: rojelio@sssup.it (Rojelio)* Subject: A problem with incremental backup! Message-ID: <oS+VCOqsRC5C@sssup1>   L    I'm trying to build a DCL batch procedure to activate a daily incrementalE backup for our VMS server (a quite easy task, isn't it?), but I can't O understand how to explain the system that I only want an *incremental*, and not  *complete* backup!M    The system documentation seems clear about this topic: after a backup with M /RECORD parameter, a following backup with /SINCE=BACKUP checks if files have : been modified since last backup and saves only these ones.J    /RECORD feature works well (I verified it with a simple DIR /FULL), butM /SINCE=BACKUP doesn't care about last-backup date and re-saves everything. Is H it a bug (we're using OpenVMS V7.2-1 on an Alpha 800) or am I forgetting+ anything? Did anyone face similar problems? "    Any suggestion will be welcome.      Regards,       Riccardo Brigo    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:38:08 -0400 ! From: "OHM" <ohm62@SFhotmail.com> E Subject: Re: Accessing the assembler from Dec C++ on Alpha Tru64 Unix * Message-ID: <8g1r7a$ol24@usilsuna.cai.com>  C You do not know what you are talking about.  ex-Digital, now Compaq  compilers compile C just fine.   # more x.cxx #include <stdlib.h>  #include <string.h>  #include <stdio.h>   int main(void) {      char *c = (char *)malloc(20);	    if (c)     {        strcpy(c, "Hello, world");       puts(c);    }    else        puts("Sorry.");     return 0; }    # cxx -o  x  x.cxx # ./x  Hello, world # cxx -V6 Compaq C++ V6.2-024 for Digital UNIX V4.0D  (Rev. 878)    8 "Dann Corbit" <dcorbit@solutionsiq.com> wrote in message" news:AkEU4.1791$L82.1645@client...6 > "Jeffrey Ng" <jeffng@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> wrote in message* > news:si62o9bq8ta83@corp.supernews.com... > I > Why did you crosspost to the .x86 group?  Certainly you knew that Alpha I > instructions are completely different.  That crosspost was so absurd, I 
 > trimmed it.  > L > Why did you crosspost to news:comp.lang.c, which addresses the C language?K > The DEC C++ compilers won't even compile C.  If you don't believe me, try  to > compile this:  >  > #include <stdlib.h>  > #include <string.h>  > #include <stdio.h> >  > int main(void) > {  >    char *c = malloc(20); >    if (c)  >    {" >       strcpy(c, "Hello, world"); >       puts(c); >    }	 >    else  >       puts("Sorry.");  >    return 0; > }  > > > It won't even compile if you surround it with extern "C" { } >  > It's a C++ compiler *only*.  > K > > Does anyone know how to inline assembler instructions in Dec/Compaq C++ ! > > for Alpha Tru64 Unix, please?  > > L > > In gnu c++ on both Linux and Irix 4, I use the asm("instruction ": : "g"K > > (parms)) to access optimisation instructions for my scientific code. In L > > particular, I'm quite fond of the cache control 3DNow instructions on myJ > > Athlon 550. Now, I'm trying to do the same for the dec alpha ev6 chipsI > > and their huge 512 byte cache lines. However, dec c++ will not accept 9 > > asm or __asm__. Any help will be greatly appreciated.  > >  > > Cheers,  > > Jeffrey Ng.  > K > Compaq {formerly DEC} C++ comes with a nice Doc set, last I looked.  Have  > you tried looking at it? > J > news:comp.unix.ultrix was probably the logical place for your post (were itK > not as dead as a doornail).  After all, Tru64 UNIX is the artist formerly  > known as Ultrix. > A > Hence, if you have exhausted all other options, I would suggest G > news:comp.unix.programmer as an absolute last resort to more sensible  forms  > of solution. > J > > Ps: Please, also reply by email, after removing the nospam string from > > the email address. >  > You post here, you read here.  > --2 > C-FAQ: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html& >  "The C-FAQ Book" ISBN 0-201-84519-93 > C.A.P. Newsgroup   http://www.dejanews.com/~c_a_p K > C.A.P. FAQ: ftp://38.168.214.175/pub/Chess%20Analysis%20Project%20FAQ.htm  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:31:39 +0100 ( From: Paul Black <paul.black@oxsemi.com>E Subject: Re: Accessing the assembler from Dec C++ on Alpha Tru64 Unix * Message-ID: <39255E5B.6CFAC938@oxsemi.com>  " "OHM" <ohm62@SFhotmail.com> wrote: > E > You do not know what you are talking about.  ex-Digital, now Compaq   > compilers compile C just fine. [snip]" >    char *c = (char *)malloc(20);   > >    char *c = malloc(20);  F Any reason why you changed the code or was it because the C++ compiler0 wouldn't compile the originally supplied C code.   Paul   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:02:49 GMT $ From: mike burrell <mikpos@home.com>E Subject: Re: Accessing the assembler from Dec C++ on Alpha Tru64 Unix = Message-ID: <ZseV4.139219$l41.696006@news1.sshe1.sk.home.com>   / In comp.lang.c OHM <ohm62@sfhotmail.com> wrote: E > You do not know what you are talking about.  ex-Digital, now Compaq   > compilers compile C just fine.   > # more x.cxx > #include <stdlib.h>  > #include <string.h>  > #include <stdio.h>   > int main(void) > { " >    char *c = (char *)malloc(20);                ^^^^^^^^ F this is not the same thing that dann posted.  try it without the cast.   >    if (c)  >    {" >       strcpy(c, "Hello, world"); >       puts(c); >    }	 >    else  >       puts("Sorry.");  >    return 0; > }    > # cxx -o  x  x.cxx > # ./x  > Hello, world
 > # cxx -V8 > Compaq C++ V6.2-024 for Digital UNIX V4.0D  (Rev. 878)   --  H              /"\                                m i k e    b u r r e l lH              \ /     ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN               mikpos@home.com(               X        AGAINST HTML MAIL              / \   ------------------------------   Date: 19 May 2000 15:17:20 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)! Subject: Re: Backup image problem 6 Message-ID: <8g3lu0$i56$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ] In article <3923AF61.2BC64030@digitem.co.ma>, ezzaoudi med <m.ezzaoudi@digitem.co.ma> writes: 1 :I have an Alpha server 800 with OpenVMS 7.1H1...   ?   I will assume an AlphaServer 800 with OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-1H1. @   I would encourage an upgrade to at least OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2.  ,   I'll answer your questions with questions.     Exact BACKUP command?   -   Was the BACKUP saveset created with /IMAGE?   .   Was the BACKUP saveset restored with /IMAGE?  2   Did the original device have a valid boot block?   Does running WRITEBOOT help?  ? :When I try to boot with the target disk , I have the message : + :"... block 0 is not a valid boot block..".   >   Ok, please remember to include the exact error message text.  / :1- Why the block 0 is not a valid boot block ?   G   Donno.  Could be anything from a bad BACKUP command to bit errors to  D   a bad source disk to a rarely reported alien boot block abduction.   A :2- I resolved my probleme by doing an upgrade on the target disk 	 :(DKA0:).   D   Okfine.  That's not a question, and that is a rather "big hammer".  H :3- Is there a procedure to make the bloque 0 as " a valid boot block" ?     WRITEBOOT.  BACKUP/IMAGE.   H :4- Is there special procedure to do a backup image from a Raid 0 system :disk ?      Nope.   C :5- If I restore the backup from tape or disk , the block 0 will be  :affected ?      Undoubtedly yes, it will be.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:33:45 +0200 ! From: "Luc BEDU" <bedu@promod.fr> # Subject: Re: Backup solution/server 6 Message-ID: <8g2qr8$5cj$1@news.entreprises.cegetel.fr>  6 Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> a crit dans le message :- 4.3.1.0.20000518115805.0222b730@24.8.96.48... L > Ah, that's too hard. HSx controllers and the CLONE command are your friendG > for things like this. Even works for NT if the hardware on the backup  > machine's identical. :)  >  > E You can restore if the hardware is strictly identical : If your video E controller is not the same (it could happen), you have a hard work. I H restored an alphaserver 8200 to an alphaserver 4100 with no difficulties (just an autogen).   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:42:08 +0100 8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> Subject: Document standards.L Message-ID: <F02D5A46B8AED311BE4F0090279FA2401E836A@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  E While documents in plain ASCII text may be understood by many people, E they're of no use to someone who cannot understand the language (e.g. L English) used in the message: better check whether the recipient understandsK the language as well as being able to process the document format you might  choose before sending?  L The most sensible way to send a document nowadays is probably to place it onK a Web page and simply send the URL reference to the recipient. The Web page J could contain the document in any format you like including simple HTML orJ even plain text within a preformatted block in the most simple of all HTMLK files which no working browser in existence will fail to process correctly. D This method of "sending" documents removes the problem of attachmentI handling, virus worries and also makes it easier to always have access to L the most up to date version of the document. Another bonus is that one couldE run a language translator on the document, available with some search  engines and browsers.   H I hope I've added something positive to this discussion as I've tried toI avoid making this another excuse for Billy bashing or for saying how much : more secure and useless VMS is in the modern E-mail World.   John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 18:00:56 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> ) Subject: Re: F$GETQUI() and job info help ) Message-ID: <39257348.FBE74359@bbc.co.uk>    Paul Lentz wrote:   I > I'm trying to write a DCL .com file to delete/bounce return and requeue D > smtp mail that has sat and retried for X amount of hours/days on aG > multinet box. I'm having alot of trouble eeking out the information I & > need from the job *without* using...I > SH ENT/FULL/OUT=SHOW_ENT.LIS SMTP-REQUEUE and parsing out the .lis file I > for the ENTRY, FILE_SPEC, DATE/TIME SUBMITTED and PARAM (presumably for G > the "connection refused", etc. to use as info in a log/mail message).  > G > The documentation for the multi-multi-purpose lexical like F$GETQUI() G > are real confusing about which item can go with which function... :-) # > I'd like to use something like... J > F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_ENTRY", ... and get the filespec, etc. associated with< > the entry, but I can't come up with the right combination. >   D be aware, "DISPLAY_ENTRY" only works for jobs running under your ownG UIC.  Thus you need to setup the queue and job context first if you are 
 interested in jobs other than your own.  F I hacked up this example from the example previously posted in another thread.    $  TEMP = F$GETQUI("") $QLOOP: A $  QNAME = F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_QUEUE","QUEUE_NAME","*", "WILDCARD") # $  IF QNAME .EQS. "" THEN goto exit  $  qbatch = G F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_QUEUE","queue_batch",qname,"WILDCARD,freeze_context")  $ if qbatch .eqs. "TRUE" $ then $       batch = 1  $       prt = 0  $ else $ endif  $  WRITE SYS$OUTPUT ""  $ $  WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "QUEUE: ", QNAME $JLOOP: 9 $  jname = F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_JOB","JOB_name",,"all_jobs") # $ IF jname .EQS. "" then goto qloop ! $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Job: ", jname & $  write sys$output "File name is : ",9 F$getqui("display_file","file_specification",,"all_jobs") % $ ! write sys$output "File ID is : ", : F$getqui("display_file","file_identification",,"all_jobs")
 $  GOTO jloop  $exit:   HTH    > " > Anybody got any help for me? :-) >  > TIA  >  > -- > *Paul* >  > plentz@airmail.net   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:58:06 +01000- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>s? Subject: Re: F$GETQUI: How do I maintain DISPLAY_QUEUE context? ) Message-ID: <3925648E.21211E21@bbc.co.uk>   B You need to use the WILDCARD flag (with the freeze context flag ifB appropriate). Shame you posted only the output not the .COM, but IH managed to reverse engineer a .COM that failed as you described and then fixede it with two edits.  H See the $ help lex F$getqui arguements help (the last entry there) for a  ! description of the WILDCARD flag.o   HTHf   "Kevin P. Inscoe" wrote:   > $  set verB > $! This command procedure shows all queues and the jobs in them. > $  TEMP = F$GETQUI("")	 > $QLOOP: 7 > $  QNAME = F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_QUEUE","QUEUE_NAME","*")s   Add 4th parameter (flags)   A $  QNAME = F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_QUEUE","QUEUE_NAME","*", "WILDCARD")o   > % > $  IF QNAME .EQS. "" THEN goto exit 
 > $  qbatch =e@ > F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_QUEUE","queue_batch",qname,"freeze_context") >r   Also here, use WILDCARD flag  G F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_QUEUE","queue_batch",qname,"wildcard,freeze_context")    > $ if qbatch .eqs. "TRUE" > $ then > $       batch = 1D > $       prt = 0s > $ else	 > $ endif  > $  WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "" > & > $  WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "QUEUE: ", QNAME > QUEUE: DSN$BATCH	 > $JLOOP: ; > $  jname = F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_JOB","JOB_name",,"all_jobs")S# > %JBC-E-NOQUECTX, no queue context  >S? > Why did the "FREEZE_CONTEXT" not work for me in line 9 above?:; > I want to determine batch entries from print entries as Io) > have different items to check for each.w >R > TIAo >h > ~kevin > --< > Kevin P. Inscoe   Senior Unix System Engineer & Specialist< > Deltona, FL       Itinerary at http://www.inscoe.org/where& > e-mail:  kevin [at] inscoe [dot] org< > http://www.inscoe.org                    28.9492N 81.1955W< > http://www.inscoe.org/comp     http://www.inscoe.org/radio< > "No husband has ever been shot while doing the dishes" Unk   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uke  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofi MedAS or the BBC.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:21:46 +0200t  From: Dan Pearse <sdss@isdf.com>' Subject: Re: find out of date firmware?s( Message-ID: <3924F99A.8860133A@isdf.com>   Bob,F You sound like a person who might know.. Sorry not to be responding to your thread though.M  H I want to run VMS and / or UNIX on an old Digital box (an Alpha XL 300),G but it only has AlphaBIOS as standard, as it was shipped as an Alpha NTt machine.  A Do you know how I can find out if can be run as a DEC UNIX or VMStG machine? The system was made in 1996 and is a 300MHz cpu machine. There H seems to be little or no information on the web with a definitive answerG and I've been hoping someone with experience in updated in firmwares onc DEC boxes might know.i  A If you can give me any tips or pointers I would be very grateful.    Thanks,o   Dan.     Bob Koehler wrote: > J >   I'm about to update a system which has been much too long out of date. > * >   I hate to do anything I can't back up. > E >   I've got a DEC 3000 Model 600S with console 6.8 in it and I'll bep3 >   updating it to console 7.0 so I can update VMS.n > I >   I can't find anything older than 7.0 on ftp.digital.com, or on my newlF >   firmware CD.  The system didn't originally ship with a firmware CD >   (if it did, I'd have it).  > H >   Is there somewhere I can find 6.8 for download?  (I can set up a MOM1 >   service to load from if I can get the files).e > F >   Is there someway I can make one by mapping the PFN and copying theE >   existing data out of the ROM?  (I assume the data alone is reallys4 >   insufficient without a matching update utility.) > H >   I'm running VMS 6.2 and updating to 7.2-1 and I know both should runN >   under console 7.0, but like I said, I hate to do anything I can't back up.L >   Suppose, just for argument sake, my new firware CD turned out to be bad. > H > ----------------------------------------------------------------------A > Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationc? > Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GroupfG >  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replyingK   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:18:19 GMTt, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)' Subject: Re: find out of date firmware? + Message-ID: <SXwp66HkzKYh@eisner.decus.org>d  K In article <3924F99A.8860133A@isdf.com>, Dan Pearse <sdss@isdf.com> writes:pJ > I want to run VMS and / or UNIX on an old Digital box (an Alpha XL 300),I > but it only has AlphaBIOS as standard, as it was shipped as an Alpha NT-
 > machine. > C > Do you know how I can find out if can be run as a DEC UNIX or VMSo
 > machine?  D I think if you start from the SPD you can find out which systems areF supported by VMS and if you start from the FAQ you can find out which / systems will run VMS even though not supported.a  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GroupcE  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replying)   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:14:23 GMTV+ From: Paul Anderson <panderson@genicom.com> ' Subject: Gartner commentary on Wildfirel@ Message-ID: <panderson-F6525D.10141319052000@news.earthlink.net>  - Gartner has a short commentary on Wildfire atm  7    http://news.cnet.com:80/news/0-1003-200-1884070.htmlh  I The title of the article is "Compaq must attract new customers to server tA line".  I'm sure most of this is obvious to the regulars here in   comp.os.vms.   Paul   -- i"    Paul Anderson, DCPS Engineering"    GENICOM Corporation, Gardner MA   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:40:48 GMT * From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)+ Subject: Re: Gartner commentary on Wildfiret+ Message-ID: <TWnlcO+Iw4Df@eisner.decus.org>   n In article <panderson-F6525D.10141319052000@news.earthlink.net>, Paul Anderson <panderson@genicom.com> writes:/ > Gartner has a short commentary on Wildfire at  > 9 >    http://news.cnet.com:80/news/0-1003-200-1884070.html} > K > The title of the article is "Compaq must attract new customers to server mC > line".  I'm sure most of this is obvious to the regulars here in e > comp.os.vms. >    	That was posted at:   			May 16, 2000, 2:50 p.m. PT   < 	The disclaimer at the bottom is a very critical disclaimer:  O "Entire contents, Copyright ) 2000 Gartner Group, Inc. All rights reserved. ThenH information contained herein represents Gartner's initial commentary andN analysis and has been obtained from sources believed to be reliable. PositionsM taken are subject to change as more information becomes available and further L analysis is undertaken. Gartner disclaims all warranties as to the accuracy,L completeness or adequacy of the information. Gartner shall have no liabilityL for errors, omissions or inadequacies in the information contained herein or for interpretations thereof."a  > 	Meaning:  "Hey, did we really say that?"  Of course they did.> 	Point is by 5:50 p.m. EDT, the presentation was well over and@ 	most of us were eating big fat shrimp and enjoying each other's	 	company.o  < 	If the Gartner person had been paying attention, the person: 	would have heard that Compaq has sent out 750 unsolicited: 	requests.  Wise folks would bypass IS and go straight to < 	CIOs and folks at the director level to point out what they; 	have is a winner compared to the others.  I am waiting for~9 	a firm number but recently I saw where the GS160 with 16y= 	processors and 16 GByte of memory goes for $831,000.  I have-9 	heard a price for a 12 processor , 12 GByte machine froma: 	a competitor that sounds astoundingly high in comparison.5 	More later as soon as I firm up that 12/12 number.  2  ' 	But these are the kinds of strategies:S  > 		1)  Point out astounding performance compared to competitors9 		2)  Point out outstanding price compared to competitorsf  ? 	Where 2) is probably as important as 1) *especially* since all=; 	these organizations are *very* ROI centered... modern day  , 	management you know (i.e. common sense ;-).   				Rob         ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:47:16 GMT & From: Art Rice <arice+cng@ue.itug.org>+ Subject: Re: Gartner commentary on Wildfirea8 Message-ID: <iaoaiss4nna1kanf9hmdu6pl72hb74t4rh@4ax.com>  / On Fri, 19 May 2000 14:14:23 GMT, Paul Anderson  <panderson@genicom.com> wrote:  . >Gartner has a short commentary on Wildfire at >i8 >   http://news.cnet.com:80/news/0-1003-200-1884070.html >tJ >The title of the article is "Compaq must attract new customers to server B >line".  I'm sure most of this is obvious to the regulars here in 
 >comp.os.vms.  >  >Paul   A At least "they" printed OpenVMS an equal number of times as Tru64o     -- s
 Art Rice   *#c# Special Data Processing Corporation & --------------------------------------' All opinions expressed are mine and do t% not reflect the views of my employer.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:23:25 GMTX) From: "J.G. Peters" <jpeters@sctcorp.com>\" Subject: Re: How To Strip <CR><LF>0 Message-ID: <01bfc1ae$9ba62350$32341895@jpeters>  E Thanks, Hoff. Although I've written my share of DCL, a coder I'm not.NI Truth to tell (as if you couldn't have guessed), this is the first bit of9D System_Services stuff I've ever attempted. Since I don't really knowJ what I'm doing, it's taking awhile to trail and error it out. The line no F longer advances, but isn't exactly "invisible." In other words, before? suppressing the <CR><LF>, output looked like this on the targets@ terminal (no keystrokes entered, program is sending a null char.# to the terminal every 10 minutes):     $l   $o   Now, it looks like this:   $V $A  A Is the <CR><LF> truly being suppressed or have I still not gottenc< it right? What I was hoping for/expecting was no advancement3 whatsoever - i.e. no output on the target terminal.G  = Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in articler- <8fuqj4$nbb$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>...i > @ > In article <01bfc029$b414fe10$32341895@jpeters>, "J.G. Peters" <jpeters@sctcorp.com> writes:a5 > :Attempting to use $BRKTHRUW in a C program to send ? > :a null or bell to a terminal in order to simulate "traffic."l4 > :It works, but how do I suppress the <CR><LF> that! > :results in the line advancing?l >  >   carcon argument? > 4 >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------(3 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering  t hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 13:15:27 +0100T* From: "Hans Hamakers" <hamakers@pobox.com>/ Subject: I Don't want that cluster. What to do?y% Message-ID: <uoQ3IOYw$GA.221@net003s>r  L I had a Vaxstation3100 working (A). I got a new machine: VAX 3100-80 (B) and" copied the systemdisk from A to B. Now B works fine.-  K I changed the DECNet Node name,DECNet addres, SCNODE and  SCSSYSTEMID of A. K When I boot A alone on the network everything works, but when B is or comes- up, A forms a cluster with B% (with the name of B; = A's old name).eG It's nice to share disks but A doesn't see its own system disk anymore.$7 What did I do wrong? How can I prevent this clustering?i  
 Hans Hamakersd hamakers@pobox.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:05:36 GMTc From: briggs@eisner.decus.orgd3 Subject: Re: I Don't want that cluster. What to do?f+ Message-ID: <dYDxGHcIyaPb@eisner.decus.org>n  R In article <uoQ3IOYw$GA.221@net003s>, "Hans Hamakers" <hamakers@pobox.com> writes:N > I had a Vaxstation3100 working (A). I got a new machine: VAX 3100-80 (B) and$ > copied the systemdisk from A to B. > Now B works fine.i > M > I changed the DECNet Node name,DECNet addres, SCNODE and  SCSSYSTEMID of A.rM > When I boot A alone on the network everything works, but when B is or comeso > up, A forms a cluster with B' > (with the name of B; = A's old name).0I > It's nice to share disks but A doesn't see its own system disk anymore.I9 > What did I do wrong? How can I prevent this clustering?   @ On node B, edit SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT, find the line defining+ VAXCLUSTER=2 and change it to VAXCLUSTER=0.p  = Then, execute @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN GETPARAMS REBOOT NOFEEDBACKh  I Once B has rebooted, reboot A and repeat the exercise, altering MODPARAMS E and running AUTOGEN on A.  (You may have to hit the halt button sinces# A will lost quorum when B reboots).e  H If you want the systems to remain as clusters but to be within differentE clusters than you would run MCR SYSMAN SET CLUSTER_AUTH to change thet9 cluster group number and password on one or both systems.i   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:32:53 GMTt1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>n3 Subject: Re: I Don't want that cluster. What to do? 2 Message-ID: <3925346C.1DC4A220@clarityconnect.com>  H I'm assuming from your note that you want clustering loaded but just not# these 2 systems clustered together.s   Boot A & login
 MCR SYSMANF CONFIG SET CLUSTER/GROUP=n/PASS=mumble ! choose values in the range of- say 3000 for n and a password you'll rememberm EXIT Reboot A   Boot B & login
 MCR SYSMANF CONFIG SET CLUSTER/GROUP=n/PASS=mumble ! choose values in the range of- say 2000 for n and a password you'll rememberr EXIT Reboot B  B The key here is to not use the same group number on either system.  ? Now if I read your message wrong and you don't want any cluster = capabilities loaded then just set the following SYSGEN paramst   VAXCLUSTER = 0
 MSCP_LOAD = 0: NISCS_LOAD_PEA0 = 0o   Hans Hamakers wrote: > N > I had a Vaxstation3100 working (A). I got a new machine: VAX 3100-80 (B) and$ > copied the systemdisk from A to B. > Now B works fine.i > M > I changed the DECNet Node name,DECNet addres, SCNODE and  SCSSYSTEMID of A.iM > When I boot A alone on the network everything works, but when B is or comes  > up, A forms a cluster with B' > (with the name of B; = A's old name). I > It's nice to share disks but A doesn't see its own system disk anymore.u9 > What did I do wrong? How can I prevent this clustering?  >  > Hans Hamakers) > hamakers@pobox.com   -- oD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:22:18 GMT , From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)3 Subject: Re: I Don't want that cluster. What to do?s+ Message-ID: <HarZ$CNa2SDO@eisner.decus.org>f  R In article <uoQ3IOYw$GA.221@net003s>, "Hans Hamakers" <hamakers@pobox.com> writes:N > I had a Vaxstation3100 working (A). I got a new machine: VAX 3100-80 (B) and$ > copied the systemdisk from A to B. > Now B works fine.M > M > I changed the DECNet Node name,DECNet addres, SCNODE and  SCSSYSTEMID of A."M > When I boot A alone on the network everything works, but when B is or comess > up, A forms a cluster with B' > (with the name of B; = A's old name). I > It's nice to share disks but A doesn't see its own system disk anymore. 9 > What did I do wrong? How can I prevent this clustering?  >    To turn off clustering, just      @sys$manager:cluster_config and follow the menu.  G Failure to see the systsem disk while in the cluster is most likely due"9 to having the same volume name on both system disks.  Usea    set volume/label=something" to change one.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationl= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GroupBE  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 07:13:03 +0200o  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch># Subject: Re: INSVIRMEM when linking-+ Message-ID: <VA.00000045.2bbf683c@sture.ch>0  J In article <8fuprr$n00$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, Hoff Hoffman wrote:4 > From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms % > Subject: Re: INSVIRMEM when linkingw  > Date: 17 May 2000 18:53:47 GMT >  > v > In article <8fs3v1$2bra$1@s2.feed.news.oleane.net>, "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> writes:( > :Ben on n'est pas sorti de l'auberge ! > K >   BabelFish is certainly not familiar with that particular French phrase.i >   Q Babelfish on AltaVista got it for me. I assumed that "Ben" was a typo for "Bien".i  [ But it didn't really help :) "Well one did not leave the inn". I think that's more akin to  a "We haven't even got to the starting post yet", (as in "We are still discussing the project over E coffee and cognac").  V It never ceases to amaze me how many French phrases have an association with food. :-) ____ Sture$ SwitzerlandA   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:32:03 +0200R- From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>". Subject: Re: Is "The GNU on VMS Project" dead?3 Message-ID: <39252633.40E96321@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>   & john babiarz at babiarz dot org wrote: >  > E > Where might I get GTK/GDK? I need to compile a program from a linuxB > box. get Mozilla from/ ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/m15/" install it.NA somewhere the sharable images are installed (as .so files (yuk)).wF Note : you have to compile your application with cc/name=(as_is,short)                   Jouk -- f  > Ceterum censeo tertium millennium post Christum natum anno MMI incepturum esse   P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<  
   Jouk Jansene 		     joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nlo  E   Technische Universiteit Delft        tttttttttt  uu     uu  dddddddtF   Nationaal centrum voor HREM          tttttttttt  uu     uu  dd    ddG   Rotterdamseweg 137                       tt      uu     uu  dd     ddVG   2628 AL Delft                            tt      uu     uu  dd     ddrF   Nederland                                tt      uu     uu  dd    ddE   tel. 31-15-2781536                       tt       uuuuuuu   ddddddde  P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:28:23 GMT * From: Roger Tucker <roger.tucker@wcom.com>. Subject: Re: Is "The GNU on VMS Project" dead?( Message-ID: <3924FB4D.442C05A1@wcom.com>  ? You will also need the right version of the .h files to compilea@ your application with.  The compaq person that ported mozilla is@ trying to get his changes into the standard source distribution,? but that hasn't happened yet.  We also need the source code andnE build scripts to the port used for mozilla in case we need to compilemE something DEBUG to find a problem.  I've decided that it doesn't helpnB much to do a port if your changes don't get back into the standardA distributions for everyone else to use.  Should would help if VMSr? supported config and autoconfig but that was a different topic.   & Now who want's to port GIMP and GNOME?  ? Are you thinking of porting something that uses GTK or are you a working on your own software?    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:22:47 -0600 (MDT)g) From: John Nebel <nebel@athena.csdco.com>  Subject: latest Outlook viruseF Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0005190818280.4845-100000@athena.csdco.com>  > "The German government said it is considering dropping Outlook3 for e-mail because of concerns about viruses. While ? the latest virus has spread only to several thousand computers, ? the so-called Love Bug struck an estimated 45 million computersm6 worldwide two weeks ago, anti-virus specialists said."  C http://www.bloomberg.com/bbn/index.html - third article down as of t5                        Fri, 19 May 2000, 10:05am EDT .      
 John Nebel   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:47:50 GMT + From: Paul Anderson <panderson@genicom.com>u! Subject: Re: latest Outlook viruse@ Message-ID: <panderson-FA4C9D.11474919052000@news.earthlink.net>  G In article <Pine.OSF.4.21.0005190818280.4845-100000@athena.csdco.com>,  * John Nebel <nebel@athena.csdco.com> wrote:  @ > "The German government said it is considering dropping Outlook/ > for e-mail because of concerns about viruses.m  , Finally, people are beginning to understand.   Paul   -- ,"    Paul Anderson, DCPS Engineering"    GENICOM Corporation, Gardner MA   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:50:46 GMTn& From: Art Rice <arice+cng@ue.itug.org>! Subject: Re: latest Outlook virus@8 Message-ID: <ghoais8n13ou69j2l2v682c5rmnd140aak@4ax.com>  4 On Fri, 19 May 2000 08:22:47 -0600 (MDT), John Nebel <nebel@athena.csdco.com> wrote:s   >d? >"The German government said it is considering dropping Outlookt4 >for e-mail because of concerns about viruses. While@ >the latest virus has spread only to several thousand computers,    Only several thousand computers?  @ >the so-called Love Bug struck an estimated 45 million computers7 >worldwide two weeks ago, anti-virus specialists said."- >-D >http://www.bloomberg.com/bbn/index.html - third article down as of 6 >                       Fri, 19 May 2000, 10:05am EDT  >  >e >a >John Nebeli >r   -- F
 Art Rice   *#T# Special Data Processing Corporation & --------------------------------------' All opinions expressed are mine and do 2% not reflect the views of my employer.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:44:02 -0400s' From: "Zeni B. Schleter" <zzb@ornl.gov>e7 Subject: Limiting Decnet Phase IV access with VMS 7.1-2 ( Message-ID: <39256140.1419A1AC@ornl.gov>  H I have an Alphastation that I am trying to control access to and/or fromG via the DECNet Phase IV.  I tried setting the DEFAULT ACCESS via NCP tohE INCOMING, OUTGOING, and NONE.   None of the settings actually blockediE DIRECTORY requests from either direction.  The help on these refer to-B _logical links_ being affected by this setting.  I had thought anyE access to or from a remote system would be considered a logical link.-  C I have been searching the VMS docset. Found no reference to DEFAULT1H ACCESS. I can't find an old Decnet Phase IV manual.  I suspect I cleaned@ it out thinking that newer ones would come with the VMS docsets.  H I would appreciate what actually is being affected by the DEFAULT ACCESS	 setting .    TIA,#  Zeni Schleter,  VMS System Supportm   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 18:48:58 GMT 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen),; Subject: Re: Limiting Decnet Phase IV access with VMS 7.1-2t+ Message-ID: <bxU34gbDnzqa@eisner.decus.org>h  R In article <39256140.1419A1AC@ornl.gov>, "Zeni B. Schleter" <zzb@ornl.gov> writes:J > I have an Alphastation that I am trying to control access to and/or fromI > via the DECNet Phase IV.  I tried setting the DEFAULT ACCESS via NCP to G > INCOMING, OUTGOING, and NONE.   None of the settings actually blockednG > DIRECTORY requests from either direction.  The help on these refer todD > _logical links_ being affected by this setting.  I had thought anyG > access to or from a remote system would be considered a logical link.n  @ That is correct, providing of course you have not set ACCESS forC the remote node.  If that is clean, then you have a reportable bug,wB but I would suggest getting another system manager at your site to) review your setup before reporting a bug.e   ------------------------------   Date: 19 May 2000 17:17:37 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman); Subject: Re: Limiting Decnet Phase IV access with VMS 7.1-2k6 Message-ID: <8g3svh$kj5$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  R In article <39256140.1419A1AC@ornl.gov>, "Zeni B. Schleter" <zzb@ornl.gov> writes:I :I have an Alphastation that I am trying to control access to and/or from1 :via the DECNet Phase IV.i  E   Re-run NETCONFIG.COM, and select the default options for the DECnet E   objects.  Specifically here, the default FAL access should be "no".   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:26:32 -0400e, From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com>U Subject: Re: LINKING F90 programs leads to "multiply defined" and "undefined" CMA$TIS	8 Message-ID: <i4gaisgo78ouob3d8e1ie428k5dbc1qckl@4ax.com>  @ On 18 May 2000 23:05:53 -0500, jlauret@?.chem.sunysb.edu (Jerome LAURET) wrote:   >cL >       I don't know when this happened but recently, I recompiled a programR >with the F90 compiler and everything went OK as before. However, the LINK command > Q >LINK/EXE=[.exe.VMS_ALPHA]thermalmodel.EXE [.obj.VMS_ALPHA]thermalmodel.OBJ ,[.lieQ >b.VMS_ALPHA]libfreezer/LIB,[.lib.VMS_ALPHA]libhydro/LIB ,CERN_ROOT:[LIB]MATHLIB.e' >OLB/LIB,CERN_ROOT:[LIB]KERNLIB.OLB/LIB  >t@ >	where libfreezer, libhydro are libraries I compiled myself and7 >the cern lib, a version taken since OpenVMS6.2 Alpha.  F >	In anycasethe above command leads to zillion of messages like below.   [snip]  C Interesting.  Do you have the LINK symbol defined as LINK/NOSYSSHR,nC perhaps?  The symptom suggests that SYS$LIBRARY:IMAGELIB.OLB is not-0 getting searched before STARLET.OLB.  Try addingD SYS$LIBRARY:IMAGELIB/LIB to the end of your link commnd and see what happens.    - Steve Lionel (mailto:Steve.Lionel@compaq.com)r Fortran Engineeringl& Compaq Computer Corporation, Nashua NH  6 Compaq Fortran web site: http://www.compaq.com/fortran   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 13:42:45 +0100., From: aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus)@ Subject: Re: LN15 printer setup: job remains in "starting" stateD Message-ID: <aus-1905001342450001@wvia21.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>   Try placing   4 $define/system/executive dcps$ln17_ansi_no_sync "1"     in sys$startup:dcps$startup.com.  $ It's explained in the release notes.   -- tB Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:49:02 +0100I- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>h: Subject: MicroVAX 2000 VUPS ( was Re: VMS on the desktop?)) Message-ID: <3925545E.A8000825@bbc.co.uk>e   Arne Vajhj wrote:  
 > dls2 wrote:m. > > "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> wrote:B > > > Local observations show that it seems to take 30 Pentium Mhz- > > > to equal 1 VUP.  Your mileage may vary.r > >  > > What is a VUP? >b > VUP = Vax Unit of Processing >a; > It is a CPU speed benchmark scaled with a VAX 78 as 1.0 !F >h  D So, out of interest, how many VUPS is the MicroVAX 2000 I discoveredA under a heap of oither stuff when I relocated a server yesterday?-   >- > Arne   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uka  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those oft MedAS or the BBC.D   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:19:26 -0400 (EDT)a2 From: "Douglas S. Meade" <vaxboy@INFORUM2.UMD.EDU>> Subject: Re: MicroVAX 2000 VUPS ( was Re: VMS on the desktop?)G Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0005191118570.11756-100000@inforum2.umd.edu>e  2 It's equivalent to a MicroVax II, or about .9 VUP.  
 Doug Meade     > >h= > > It is a CPU speed benchmark scaled with a VAX 78 as 1.0 !d > >b > F > So, out of interest, how many VUPS is the MicroVAX 2000 I discoveredC > under a heap of oither stuff when I relocated a server yesterday?  >  > >- > > Arne >  > --8 > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project2 > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.C > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uka > C > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofi > MedAS or the BBC.a >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 19 May 2000 16:57:20 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)> Subject: Re: MicroVAX 2000 VUPS ( was Re: VMS on the desktop?). Message-ID: <8g3rpg$odf$3@info.service.rug.nl>  7 In article <3925545E.A8000825@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellynp" <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:   E >So, out of interest, how many VUPS is the MicroVAX 2000 I discoveredtB >under a heap of oither stuff when I relocated a server yesterday?  G DISCLAIMER: I have heard the stuff below is not the real code.  It did d: give 7.6 when I tried it on a VAXstation 3100 M76, though.   $! Newsgroups: comp.os.vms $! Path: news.rrz.uni-hamburg.de!cs.tu-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!EU.net!main.Germany.EU.net!Dortmund.Germany.EU.net!ns.knirsch.de!weller!ifwb!vax3.wupper.de!awi- $! From: aw@vax3.wupper.de (Andreas W Wylach) - $! Subject: Re: What dp VUPs really measure ?h/ $! Sender: news@ifwb.wupper.de (Net News Admin)M* $! Message-ID: <E0o2yE.CA7@ifwb.wupper.de>& $! Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 18:20:38 GMT $! Lines: 86 $! Reply-To: aw@vax3.wupper.dep $! References: <55vfv1$fje@news.NetVision.net.il> <56006q$pt5$1@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> <5618vk$pl0@paperboy.ids.net>, $! Organization: CDrei - Wuppertal - Germany $! s $! D_ $! In article <5618vk$pl0@paperboy.ids.net>, mike@kronos.egr-ri.ids.net (Mike Umbricht) writes:la $! |>In article <56006q$pt5$1@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, lionel@quark.zko.dec.com (Steve Lionel) writes:C $! |>>= $! |>>In article <55vfv1$fje@news.NetVision.net.il>, Uri Raz r* $! |>><s2845543@t2.technion.ac.il> writes: $! |>>|>L $! |>>|>  After reading some articles trying to compare SPEC measures to VUPC $! |>>|> measures, I've started wondering what VUPs really measure.  $! |>>O $! |>>VUPs are similar in concept to the SPEC suite in that there is a specificoN $! |>>collection of benchmark programs that are run and a performance range is $! |>nL $! |>Where can I get the code for the VUP benchmark programs?  Do you have a1 $! |>reference that details how VUPs are defined?a $! |>s: $! |>>The VUP rating is mostly of historical interest now. $! |> R $! |>I am with a group called the Retro-Computing Society of RI - a user group forQ $! |>individuals that collect older computer systems.  I am interested in runningtT $! |>the benchmark on our 750.  (Yes, I know what the answer is, but I'd like to see $! |>how it is calculated.)o $! |>)
 $! |>-mike $! |>s $! d& $! Here we go, the dcl code for VUPS : $! $! CALCULATE_VUPS:   $!
 $ set noon( $ orig_privs        = f$setprv("ALTPRI")( $ process_priority  = f$getjpi(0,"PRIB")6 $ cpu_multiplier    = 10			! VAX = 10 - Alpha/AXP = 406 $ cpu_round_add     =  1			! VAX =  1 - Alpha/AXP =  9' $ cpu_round_divide  = cpu_round_add + 1c* $ init_counter      = cpu_multiplier * 525 $ init_loop_maximum = 205-* $ start_cputime     = f$getjpi(0,"CPUTIM") $ loop_index        = 0o $ 10$:! $     loop_index = loop_index + 1c8 $     if loop_index .ne. init_loop_maximum then goto 10$% $ end_cputime  = f$getjpi(0,"CPUTIM")nC $ init_vups    = ((init_counter / (end_cputime - start_cputime) + -oH                    cpu_round_add) / cpu_round_divide) * cpu_round_divide5 $ loop_maximum = (init_vups * init_loop_maximum) / 10 0 $ base_counter = (init_counter * init_vups) / 10 $ vups         = 0 $ times_through_loop = 0 $ 20$:) $    start_cputime = f$getjpi(0,"CPUTIM")y $    loop_index = 0 	 $    30$:e$ $        loop_index = loop_index + 16 $        if loop_index .ne. loop_maximum then goto 30$' $    end_cputime = f$getjpi(0,"CPUTIM")eB $    new_vups = ((base_counter / (end_cputime - start_cputime) + -G                   cpu_round_add) / cpu_round_divide) * cpu_round_divideo) $    if  new_vups .eq. vups then goto 40$e $    vups = new_vups0 $    times_through_loop = times_through_loop + 1, $ if times_through_loop .le. 5 then goto 20$ $ 40$:" $ new_privs = f$setprv(orig_privs)< $ set message /nofacility/noidentification/noseverity/notext1 $ ASSIGN/SYSTEM/EXEC  'vups'  MACHINE_VUPS_RATING 4 $ set message /facility/identification/severity/text: $ write sys$output "Approximate System VUPs Rating :  ", -;                    vups / 10,".", vups - ((vups / 10) * 10)- $ exit $! - $! Have fun. $!  
 $! see ya, $! Andreasw  $! -- R $! IfwBOnline Wuppertal,  Maerkische Str. 28,  D-42281 Wuppertal,      F.R.Germany2 $! Andreas W. Wylach, 		       | AW@IFWB.WUPPER.DEB $! AW@VAX1.wupper.de | AW@VAX3.wupper.de  | Local DECNet: VAX3::AW; $! Information system from students for students, WupperNetoM $! @CDrei Wuppertal (FRG) /Miami (USA) - Competence, Consulting, Connectivity7 $! -- = $! This is comp.os.vms, not alt.read.my.mind (Carl J. Lydick)a $! --oS $! This is WBIG New York, listen yo', there are a lot of dogs out there. (NOT. BIG)a   ------------------------------   Date: 19 May 2000 17:15:24 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)> Subject: Re: MicroVAX 2000 VUPS ( was Re: VMS on the desktop?)6 Message-ID: <8g3src$kj5$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Y In article <3925545E.A8000825@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:"E :So, out of interest, how many VUPS is the MicroVAX 2000 I discoverednB :under a heap of oither stuff when I relocated a server yesterday?  C   Though I could provide the direct answer (0.9 VUPs), it's better -A   if I provide the location of information and tables on this andj    on related performance topics.  E   OpenVMS platform performance comparision information is referenced hF   in the OpenVMS FAQ, if you want to compare one VAX or Alpha running F   OpenVMS to another.  Also available is some (old) background on the 2   (older) VUPs performance numbers.  Specifically:  C     http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/performance/perf_by_name.html ?     http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/performance/vups_297.html   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:56:19 GMT-/ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>l> Subject: Re: MicroVAX 2000 VUPS ( was Re: VMS on the desktop?)G Message-ID: <7ffV4.73426$fV.4552460@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>   I The cpu in a MV2000 is equivalent to a MVII,  (or about .9 vups), however J the MV2000 was a different design and if I remember right, it did not haveG niceites, like an intelligent disk controller.  The cpu was tasked withdJ performing all IO operations, so the actual amount of performance left for0 doing usable work was somewhat less than a MVII.  = "Douglas S. Meade" <vaxboy@INFORUM2.UMD.EDU> wrote in message-A news:Pine.LNX.4.20.0005191118570.11756-100000@inforum2.umd.edu...o4 > It's equivalent to a MicroVax II, or about .9 VUP. >j > Doug Meade >g >D > > >F? > > > It is a CPU speed benchmark scaled with a VAX 78 as 1.0 !  > > >f > >tH > > So, out of interest, how many VUPS is the MicroVAX 2000 I discoveredE > > under a heap of oither stuff when I relocated a server yesterday?u > >t > > > 
 > > > Arne > >  > > --: > > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project4 > > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.E > > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  > >uE > > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofe > > MedAS or the BBC.l > >p > >M >  >p   ------------------------------   Date: 19 May 2000 15:26:32 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)& Subject: Re: multia communication port6 Message-ID: <8g3mf8$i56$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  g In article <01BFC0BE.3B51D080.dgg@robbinsauto.com>, "dgg@robbinsauto.com" <dgg@robbinsauto.com> writes:cK :I have OpenVMS 7.2 installed on a Multia and it boots up listing opa0: as 0 :an unknow device.F :That is ok with me. I can use the VGA terminal to run commnands with  :needing decwindows.F :Decwindows is another story. I cannot get a login window to come up.   A   Assuming you have followed the instructions in the OpenVMS FAQ mA   section "DECW6.  Why is DECwindows Motif not starting?" and thec@   information included in the Multia kit, I don't know why it isD   not starting.  I will assume you ARE seeing output on the display.G   Do you see any errors in the DECW*.LOG files?  (Log in via a minimal 1I   startup and particularly the "primitive" or "glass TTY" mode available j9   on the VGA display, and look in SYS$MANAGER:DECW*.LOG.)9  D :The issue I have is that I'm trying to get a VT320 to work off the  :communication port...  B   Per the documentation that is provided with the Multia kit, and ?   also explicitly referenced in the OpenVMS FAQ section ALPHA8:   "     "The serial lines don't work."  ?   AFAIK, OPA0: does operate -- that's how the OpenVMS work was ,B   initially performed on the Multia system, before DECwindows was    up and operating.-  . :Is there some special setup the Multia needs?  @   Nope.  This is a known restriction in the unsupported softwareA   that you are using to permit OpenVMS to boot on the Multia box..@   The serial lines do not work.  (It would be nice if they did, @   but the OpenVMS Nocturnal Aviation Group, Division of RemedialA   Unsupported Platforms Engineering, hasn't really looked at it.)   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:20:12 +0200l< From: "Uhlhorn, Anneliese" <Anneliese.Uhlhorn@SLV.bayern.de> Subject: Need urgent help = Message-ID: <4913AE76C4E1D2118F9900105A0EF7004E19CA@komserv3>a  I Is ist possible, to get information on restoring a tape overwriten by VMSo! (only data after End-oftape mark)-> Are there tools to read TZ87 tapes ignoring end-of tape marks?" Thank you in advance for an answer  Anneliese Uhlhorn   ------------------------------   Date: 19 May 2000 12:18 CSTe' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)e Subject: Re: Need urgent help.- Message-ID: <19MAY200012180333@gerg.tamu.edu>   @ "Uhlhorn, Anneliese" <Anneliese.Uhlhorn@SLV.bayern.de> writes...J }Is ist possible, to get information on restoring a tape overwriten by VMS" }(only data after End-oftape mark)? }Are there tools to read TZ87 tapes ignoring end-of tape marks? # }Thank you in advance for an answerr } Anneliese Uhlhornn  ? There are data recovery services which should be able to do it.r  E You can't do it on your own tape drive because it will refuse to read D past the end-of-tape marker no matter what you do. The data recoveryE services use tape drives with special customised firmware that allowsi2 them to do things that the normal drives won't do.  F (I have not direct experience with this problem on modern tape drives,D but this is the standard type of answer that gets posted when peopleH ask about this. Once uponb a time, with the old 9-track reels, you couldE do this sort of thing yourself. I recall an instance where a tape wastE physically damaged - stretched by a faulty drive so that the tape wasiI visibly narrower in the damaged location, which caused the drive to loosetK vacuum. The data was recovered by reading until it failed, manually windingrF it past the damaged part, fast forwarding to the end of the tape, thenD reading the tape *backwards* until it failed. We only lost couple ofD blocks of data. You can't do *that* on any off-the-shelf modern tape drive.)T   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:46:39 +0100o- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>o; Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummiesi) Message-ID: <392561DF.E24ED624@bbc.co.uk>h   Glen Martin wrote:   > Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:M > > Me. A week or two ago. But I still haven't found time to read the book...  > H > It appears to be primarily marketing material. Very short on technical
 > content. >M& > Marketing? VMS? Who would've though?  < Yup, and marketting it for the mgm's too, even more amazing.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukv  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:47:44 +0100C- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>t; Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummiesp) Message-ID: <3925621F.459CD86E@bbc.co.uk>-  D Not Me! Maybe it went to the London Office though. I'm in DECUS too.   Phillip Helbig wrote:-  F > I was somewhat surprised to find this, an AlphaServer bookmark and aD > signed (with a stamp) letter from Rich Marcello in my mailbox this
 > morning! >y > Who else got these?d   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukw  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of9 MedAS or the BBC.y   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 04:36:58 -0500_% From: Chris Scheers <asi@airmail.net>t" Subject: Problems with DXmPrintBoxO Message-ID: <15DAC394F4B2D7C5.8A34FEB7CB61DF6D.250B2463AB49D78F@lp.airnews.net>C  E I'm having a problem with DXmPrintBox in Motif 1.1.  (It almost worksa0 with Motif 1.2, but I need it to work with 1.1.)  F I have a form and a DXmPrintBox.  Separately, either works correctly. A However, if I put them together in the same dialog, the print boxhB appears to be preventing the widgets in the form from ever gaining focus.  F Pushbuttons in the form do activate, but they do not gain focus.  Text= widgets in the form do not gain focus, so they can't be used.i  H The really odd thing is that clicking on any widget in the form causes a tab traversal in the print box.o  H I have tried having the print box and form as children of a dialog box. G I have also tried having the form as a child of a DXmPrintDialog.  Both & configurations show the same symptoms.  D FWIW: MB1-down in a text widget in the form clears the text widget'sG cursor and moves the highlight frame to the next tab group in the printuE widget.  MB1-up restores the text widget's cursor and does not affecta the highlight frame.  # I would appreciate any suggestions.e   Thanx!  D FWIW: The same code works (sorta) when compiled and linked for Motif 1.2-4.  D I say "sorta" because you can set focus to one of the widgets in the? form. However, once you "tab", focus returns to the print box. k? Subsequent tabs just cycle through the print box fields.  It iseC impossible to tab back out of the print box widget.  It appears thel6 DXmPrintBox is doing something weird with tranversals.  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  G 817-237-3360 (Voice)    817-237-3074 (Fax)    Internet: asi@airmail.nett   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:45:04 +0100i- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>i6 Subject: Re: qio completion time, after process exits?) Message-ID: <39256180.E5CDF78D@bbc.co.uk>i   Jim Agnew wrote:  * > looks like i was wrong, but i learned!!! >C > J. >d > Jim Agnew wrote: > >m5 > > Good question... I'd be interested in this also..e > >u> > > my uneducated guess, knowing what little i know of VMS is: > >o- > > (drum roll)   it will exit...  i think...-  = Yup, doesn't image rundown attempt to $CANCEL all outstandingDD I/O? Of course, if for some reason it CAN'T cancel the I/O, then you@ will get a RW*** state. I can't think up such a scenario off theA top of my head, but I'm sure its possible, otherwise you wouldn'ta@ get all the RW*** related weirdness ever (not that I see it very often these days).  --l6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukd  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofu MedAS or the BBC.e   ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2000 13:15:01 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> & Subject: Re: the latest billybox virusH Message-ID: <y466sa6bbe.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  / Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:g  - > > No, but since SYS$IDTOASC will return allo0 > > identifiers (=> all usernames), then that is > > not increasing security !i< > Hmmm, I wonder which image you need to deinstall to remove > that capability?  = That'd be SECURESHRP, IIRC; and wreak havoc if deinstalled...s     	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 07:01:23 -0500r) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>t& Subject: Re: the latest billybox virus/ Message-ID: <siaau9loius106@corp.supernews.com>3  D Jan Vorbrueggen <jan#fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote  in messageuB news:y466sa6bbe.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de...1 > Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn#bbc.co.uk> writes:s >d/ > > > No, but since SYS$IDTOASC will return all32 > > > identifiers (=> all usernames), then that is > > > not increasing security !n> > > Hmmm, I wonder which image you need to deinstall to remove > > that capability? >!? > That'd be SECURESHRP, IIRC; and wreak havoc if deinstalled...a  L After a supplier decided that setting it's protection to (w:no access) would= improve security, I can assure you that will wreak havoc too.t   -Johni wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:38:53 +0100r- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>r& Subject: Re: the latest billybox virus) Message-ID: <3925600D.9FD12E7E@bbc.co.uk>t   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:e  F > Jan Vorbrueggen <jan#fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote
 >  in message:D > news:y466sa6bbe.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de...3 > > Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn#bbc.co.uk> writes:o > >n1 > > > > No, but since SYS$IDTOASC will return alle4 > > > > identifiers (=> all usernames), then that is! > > > > not increasing security !e@ > > > Hmmm, I wonder which image you need to deinstall to remove > > > that capability? > > A > > That'd be SECURESHRP, IIRC; and wreak havoc if deinstalled...  >a >    Great, well now we know.  F At least you need to be logged on to get the list of usernames in this; way, and if you are logged on there's always SHOW USERS and  SHOW SYSTEM anyway.!   Regardsa     --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk.  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.U   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 18:46:02 GMT 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) & Subject: Re: the latest billybox virus+ Message-ID: <iYxS4Zj6iFyI@eisner.decus.org>   Y In article <3925600D.9FD12E7E@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:  >  >  > "John E. Malmberg" wrote:t > G >> Jan Vorbrueggen <jan#fsnif.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrotei >>  in messageE >> news:y466sa6bbe.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de..._4 >> > Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn#bbc.co.uk> writes: >> >2 >> > > > No, but since SYS$IDTOASC will return all5 >> > > > identifiers (=> all usernames), then that isn" >> > > > not increasing security !A >> > > Hmmm, I wonder which image you need to deinstall to remove_ >> > > that capability?  >> >B >> > That'd be SECURESHRP, IIRC; and wreak havoc if deinstalled... >> >> >  > Great, well now we know. > H > At least you need to be logged on to get the list of usernames in this= > way, and if you are logged on there's always SHOW USERS and  > SHOW SYSTEM anyway.u  K By design, those are not available if you remove WORLD privilege from theiru
 installation.*   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:06:28 GMT 0 From: "Sean Smith" <tssmith@ckfincspamblock.com>* Subject: TLZ9L Autoloader - Documentation?0 Message-ID: <ETbV4.58$bB2.4429@sapphire.mtt.net>   Ladies and Gentlemen:f  E First, a thanks to everyone who responded to my query some time ago = I about getting OpenVMS working on my VAXstation 3100.  I've joined DECUS = H (hopefully), and I'm waiting for my membership number so I can order a =I media kit and hobbyist license.  We use OpenVMS at work, but it's on an = 5 Alpha, not a VAX, so I can't use the media from here.u  G About a week ago, the TLZ7L autoloader on our AlphaServer 1000 died.  =eF Compaq did send a warranty replacement, but it's a TLZ9L.  While I'm =F grateful to have a better autoloader, no documentation came with the =3 unit.  Naturally, the magazine's different too. =20G  E Does anyone know where I could get the docs for this autoloader?  I =sJ looked at Compaq's website, but all I saw was the usual marketing stuff, =2 and we run backups that do require multiple tapes.  
 Sean Smith --=20 D Sean Smith                                              Programmer = Analyst@: CKF Inc., Hantsport, Nova Scotia, Canada               =20H Any views expressed in the e-mail above do not necessarily reflect those: of CKF Inc., its agents, officers, directors or employees.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 03:56:12 -0700e+ From: z <jasakNOjaSPAM@hotmail.com.invalid>o" Subject: Re: UCX Printing Problems9 Message-ID: <0216cae0.fdd03389@usw-ex0105-037.remarq.com>p   Thanks for the information.U  < I set up a new queue and when asked if I wanted the queue to? default to print flag pages [y], I selected no.  When I look atn, the queue /full I get the following results.   $sh queue complaser5 /fu@ Server queue COMPLASER5, idle, on STGAX1::, mounted form DEFAULT?   /BASE_PRIORITY=8 /DEFAULT=(FEED,FORM=DEFAULT) /OWNER=[SYSTEM]h6   /PROCESSOR=UCX$LPD_SMB /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S) $   > However when I submit a job to the queue I still got the extra4 page.  The details on the extra page are as follows:   User: (user name)- Host: (Host server Name) Class:  Job: (file anme)  > Whilst printing the extra page would be OK for a smalll amount@ of users I have to approx. 350 users this facility and they each= produce about 10 jobs a day to I'd being using a lot of extrao paper.  & Any help would be gratefully received.  L * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *G The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 13:40:52 +0200n- From: Rainer Burger <rainer.burger@gamed.com>s" Subject: Re: UCX Printing Problems) Message-ID: <39252844.30A365AD@gamed.com>l  3 Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format.t& --------------07D601CCF9E6F5CC941AEFA8* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitg  N Try the print job with the /NOTRAILER option in the print command. This should3 overwrite any default parameters that might be set.gP If the trailer page then disappears, you have to check you default form and make3 sure that the notrailer option for the queue is setn  
 z schrieb:   > Thanks for the information.n > > > I set up a new queue and when asked if I wanted the queue toA > default to print flag pages [y], I selected no.  When I look atf. > the queue /full I get the following results. >  > $sh queue complaser5 /fuB > Server queue COMPLASER5, idle, on STGAX1::, mounted form DEFAULTA >   /BASE_PRIORITY=8 /DEFAULT=(FEED,FORM=DEFAULT) /OWNER=[SYSTEM]p8 >   /PROCESSOR=UCX$LPD_SMB /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S) > $  >-@ > However when I submit a job to the queue I still got the extra6 > page.  The details on the extra page are as follows: >: > User: (user name)  > Host: (Host server Name) > Class:  Job: (file anme) >>@ > Whilst printing the extra page would be OK for a smalll amountB > of users I have to approx. 350 users this facility and they each? > produce about 10 jobs a day to I'd being using a lot of extrad > paper. > ( > Any help would be gratefully received. >rN > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *I > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!c   --
 Rainer BurgerF SIEMENS AG, ATD MP 5S  rainerburger@compuserve.coms4 Office phone: +49-9131-742858 (-742052), fax -721020? Actual Location:  GAMED, Harterstrasse 48, A-8053 Graz, Austriau%     Tel.: +43-316-278660-20, Fax: -10o    & --------------07D601CCF9E6F5CC941AEFA8- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;l  name="rainer.burger.vcf"a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bite3 Content-Description: Visitenkarte fr Rainer Burger   Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="rainer.burger.vcf"h   begin:vcard  n:Burger;Rainere tel;work:+43 316 278660 20 x-mozilla-html:TRUEt url:www.siemens.de org:SIEMENS AG;ATD MP 5S1 adr:;;Schuhstrasse 60;Erlangen;Bayern;D-91050;BRD  version:2.1o* email;internet:rainerburger@compuserve.com title:Commissioning engineern note;quoted-printable:Actual Location:=0D=0A=0D=0AGAMEDmbH=0D=0AHarterstrasse 48=0D=0AA-8053 Graz=0D=0AAustria fn:Rainer Burger	 end:vcard   ( --------------07D601CCF9E6F5CC941AEFA8--   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 05:17:47 -0700 + From: z <jasakNOjaSPAM@hotmail.com.invalid> " Subject: Re: UCX Printing Problems9 Message-ID: <01e299e6.1318ace5@usw-ex0105-037.remarq.com>i  < I have tried this but the printer is still producing the the? trailing page with the information on it!  I have tried issuing-@ the notrailer option with the print job and setting the queue to@ no trailer. I have even set the /separate option on the queue to> notrailer but to no effect.  Could the problem be a setting on8 the printer's jet direct card and the way it handles lpd	 requests?   L * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *G The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!a   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 07:17:10 GMT-& From: winfried.bergmann@frankendata.de" Subject: Re: Ultrix for mVax3100 ?/ Message-ID: <WT5V4.90$Jp1.33952872@news.odn.de>   1 Douglas S. Meade <vaxboy@inforum2.umd.edu> wrote:  > Nope,R  G > I already tried that.  It was surprising how few people I got bouncedlG > to at Compaq had even heard of Ultrix, but the man who finally calledsI > me back described it as "not saleable".  I asked him: do you still have G > copies of media in stock?  He said that may be so, but it was on the oF > list of items that is not saleable.  I think part of the problem mayG > have been that Ultrix was encumbered by licenses DEC had bought from  F > ATT.  This may now not be as much of a problem, as SCO has announcedI > they will release their Unix for free.  It may be time to call somebodyc > at DEC, er, Compaq again.a   > Doug Meade  N Sorry to hear that. Anybody willing to sell a used ultrix license with media ?  	 	Winfriedp   --  J ==========================================================================<                                          | Winfried BergmannD email: winfried.bergmann@frankendata.de  | FrankenData GmbH & Co. KGC Tel  : +49 9131 7704-26                  | Am Weichselgarten 11-13 -; Fax  : +49 9131 7704-44                  | D-91058 Erlangena   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:10:33 -0400h) From: "Su, Guobao" <Guobao.Su@Penguin.ca>i Subject: undeleted utillitys< Message-ID: <70BACC0F2CC1D211A50700105A01E8BC9100BB@XCHANGE>   Hello,  J I have a problem. I accidently deleted a file in OpenVMS system. How can I get it back?   Thanks,a Guobao   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 18:51:27 GMT-9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)w Subject: Re: undeleted utillity + Message-ID: <JLiRFixO8IdW@eisner.decus.org>o  h In article <70BACC0F2CC1D211A50700105A01E8BC9100BB@XCHANGE>, "Su, Guobao" <Guobao.Su@Penguin.ca> writes:  L > I have a problem. I accidently deleted a file in OpenVMS system. How can I > get it back?  E The supported VMS traditional method is to get a copy from your dailynH incremental backups (if recently created) or from your weekly or offsite backups.  ? I will leave it to someone else to discuss less-reliable hacks.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 13:45:38 GMTm From: briggs@eisner.decus.orgm Subject: Re: VMS File Modesu+ Message-ID: <mWbl+SRlYgxX@eisner.decus.org>   ] In article <4.3.1.0.20000518110431.02222840@24.8.96.48>, Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> writes: 8 > At 09:37 PM 5/17/00 +0000, carends@evisions.com wrote:9 >>The program is written in C and creates the file using:t >>    fopen("filename", "w");3! >>This file is a binary PCL file.  > N > The problem is that when the C RTL creates a new file this way, it's marked L > as a type Stream_LF. VMS knows that this is a record-oriented file, and a L > record in a VMS file can't be larger than 32K. You likely have a chunk of L > data larger than that without a linefeed in it, so anything that uses the M > VMS I/O system will throw an error because the file is, strictly speaking, . > bad.  C Certainly plausible.  And this is probably the issue that is bitingo here, given the symptoms.r  F The other issue that I have seen with record-oriented access to StreamH files is what happens to binary data around the stream delimiters.  (I'mE talking record-oriented access here.  Byte-by-byte access mediated byCF the CRTL is not an issue.  RMS block I/O or $QIO access is also not anA issue.  Plain old default RMS record access is the problem case).1  G Obviously, the line feeds themselves are eaten, being treated as recordeH boundaries.  A standard VMS print symbiont will transmit a CRLF in place of each record boundary.  G More troublesome is what happens to control characters appearing in theuH neighborhood of the record boundary.  I have not done extensive testing,B but do know that nulls immediately preceding a record boundary are$ eliminated from the returned record.  & 	John Briggs			briggs@eisner.decus.org   ------------------------------   Date: 19 May 2000 14:12:40 GMT% From: dpm@myths.com (David P. Murphy)  Subject: Re: VMS File Modesr2 Message-ID: <8g3i4p$3ot$1@nnrp-corp.news.cais.net>   carends@evisions.com wrote:   9 > The program is written in C and creates the file using:i >    fopen("filename", "w");! > This file is a binary PCL file.p  ? then you should be specifying "wb" to prevent extraneous CRLFs.n  G > When we send the file to the print queue using PRINT the queue cannoto; > understand the file and does not print it to the printer.i  > [blink]  usually when someone sends a binary file to a printer; it prints the garbage, which (murphy's law kicking in here)o: seems to have a ^L (form-feed character) every other byte.  > therefore i think the file is not getting sent to the printer.   > IsG > there a flag to pass to PRINT to let it know that the file is Binary?i  $ ummm, not specifically.  postscript?  F > I have attempted to create the file using different file modes like:% >    fopen("filename", "w, recfm=A");3  J the non-portable extensions to fopen() and creat() are separate arguments, such as-(     fopen("MYFILE.PCL", "wb", "ctx=rec")B which would explain why your file isn't being created, but i doubtK it's going to solve your problem, of which i have insufficient information.b  @ a list of the extensions is in the docset, a copy of which is atI http://www.myths.com/pub/doc/openvms/decc/5763p020.htm#fab_rab_keywords_1b  D unfortunately i have no reason to reference Torquemada in this post.   ok dpmk -- f3 David P. Murphy          http://www.myths.com/~dpm/t- systems programmer        ftp://ftp.myths.comtC                          mailto:dpm@myths.com            (personal)'C COGITO ERGO DISCLAMO     mailto:dmurphy@ac-tech.com          (work)s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:35:22 +0100e- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>n Subject: Re: VMS File Modese) Message-ID: <39255F3A.EBA4C76F@bbc.co.uk>,   confusu@my-deja.com wrote:  
 > Dirk and JF  >tE > Thank you both for your replies.  I must say again that VMS is veryHH > foreign to me.  The idea that there are so many different file formatsE > at the OS level is an idea that is a tad cumbersome.  This does not-F > plague a UNIX or Windows-based environment.  I am quite used to (andC > happy with) creating a file with "w" access and having it work nol > matter what the circumstance.   J Sure, and having to write or buy, install and maintain a 3rd party product for,H record based file access etc on *nix etc is also a pain, especially when you % are used to having RMS etc available.n   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uka  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.0   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 13:01:43 -0400i" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> Subject: Re: VMS File Modes 8 Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20000519130046.0228fea0@24.8.96.48>  2 At 11:49 AM 5/19/00 -0500, Robert J. Slover wrote:   >Thanks, Dan >h: >That's good to know.  I'll have to find and install that. >r >VAX> perl -MVMS::Stdio # >Can't locate vms/stdio.pm in @INC. # >BEGIN failed--compilation aborted.h, >%RMS-F-SYN, file specification syntax error >  >(Running 5.003_01)i  I Yow, that's old! Upgrade to the latest if you can. If not, check out the EG source directory--VMS::Stdio and VMS::DCLSym live under the [.vms.ext] c
 directory.   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------l2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and even ;                                       teddy bears get drunkc   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:07:04 +0800t- From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>g  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?+ Message-ID: <3924DA08.407C8041@bigpond.com>s   David A Froble wrote:n >  > "John E. Malmberg" wrote:. > > P > > Local observations show that it seems to take 30 Pentium Mhz to equal 1 VUP. > > Your mileage may vary. > > 	 > > -Johnr > N > I've gotta guess that you're kidding a bit here.  Still, it is a bit amusingQ > that today's 1 GHz processor has finally matched, say, a MicroVAX 3100 model 90 Q > or maybe a model 95, some 10 years later?  But they still can't cluster them as, > well as the 10 year old VAX. >  > Dave > F Of course you can cluster them - all depends how you define "cluster".= Isn't that what all the non-VMS so-called clusters are about?a   --   Regards, Dave.yI -------------------------------------------------------------------------oI David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.comeI DBS software at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmoI "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennona   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 02:47:42 -0400l' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>r  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?( Message-ID: <8g2nt9$1qi$1@pyrite.mv.net>  8 David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> wrote in message% news:3924DA08.407C8041@bigpond.com...o > David A Froble wrote:g > >a > > "John E. Malmberg" wrote:i > > >.K > > > Local observations show that it seems to take 30 Pentium Mhz to equalu 1 VUP. > > > Your mileage may vary. > > >. > > > -John. > >>H > > I've gotta guess that you're kidding a bit here.  Still, it is a bit amusingfJ > > that today's 1 GHz processor has finally matched, say, a MicroVAX 3100 model 90K > > or maybe a model 95, some 10 years later?  But they still can't clusteri them as>  > > well as the 10 year old VAX. > >w > > Dave > >eH > Of course you can cluster them - all depends how you define "cluster".? > Isn't that what all the non-VMS so-called clusters are about?a  L 'Fraid not.  But a lot of people here would like to think so, while the rest/ of the world moves happily along ignoring them.e   - bill   >e > --
 > Regards, > Dave.*K > -------------------------------------------------------------------------rK > David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.comoK > DBS software at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmGK > "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 06:18:48 -0400 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?> Message-ID: <hshubs-65A381.06184819052000@news.mindspring.com>  5 In article <8g2nt9$1qi$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd"   <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote:  I >'Fraid not.  But a lot of people here would like to think so, while the n >resta0 >of the world moves happily along ignoring them.  ; You're right in the cluster thing, but your attitude sucks.n   -- t Howard S Shubs, the Denim Adeptt   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:40:11 +0000?/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>   Subject: re: VMS on the desktop?6 Message-ID: <009EA50F.743C4539.4@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>  ' > On 18 May 2000, Phillip Helbig wrote:  > K > > Well-meaning employee:  Boss, I consider it common courtesy to work outcK > >                         which formats your intended recipient can read tN > >                         before sending anything aside from human-readable ' > >                         ascii text. G > > Boss:                   Who cares about common courtesy?  The only cF > >                         question is whether or not it is industry % > >                         standard.  > 9 > Well, *ouch* -- but I see where you're going there.. :)s >   P Some education needed. the more meaningful buzzwords are "platform independant",6 "vendor-independant", "non-proprietary",  and "open".   L In any case, file-format problems usually arise less within an organisation I than in its relationships with other organisations. The Boss can protest hJ all he likes, but if a customer says he won't read your web pages because I he doesn't like your chosen representation, and is by implication buying hF from a competitor because you are making his life hard, then the boss B can either fix the  perceived problem or ignore it and suffer the F consequences. (In passing, how many sales are lost because pages take G too long to load at 28Kbps? All web designers should be plugged in via l modems and denied Ethernet!)  M And yes, it is common courtesy to open e-mail communications in the most openIN and straightforward way possible. ASCII, representing human-readable language.N Not least, because if I get a .doc attachment with no covering letter and fromG an e-mail address I don't instantly recognise, my thought processes arej "More spam - splat! - Next!".   	 			Nigel.3   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:47:04 +0000-/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>   Subject: re: VMS on the desktop?7 Message-ID: <009EA529.8FD3B510.12@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>n  4 > From:	PHCLUS::INFOVAX      19-MAY-2000 09:24:57.42
 > To:	MAIL_TOr > CC:	 > Subj:	Re: VMS on the desktop?e > 8 > From:	MX%"davef@tsoft-inc.com" 19-MAY-2000 06:56:38.26  > To:	MX%"Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" > CC:	 > Subj:	Re: VMS on the desktop?  > + > Return-Path: <infovax-request@ulcc.ac.uk>nP > Received: from banquo (banquo.umds.ac.uk) by newton.ph.kcl.ac.uk (MX V4.1 AXP)6 >           with SMTP; Fri, 19 May 2000 06:58:19 +00001 > Envelope-to: infovax-group@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk J > Received: from vmsfe.ulcc.ac.uk ([128.86.248.32]) by banquo with smtp idP >           12sfnL-0002eU-00 for infovax-group@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk; Fri, 19 May >           2000 06:57:59 +0100B/ > Message-ID: <3924D186.DDB673A2@tsoft-inc.com>e' > Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 01:30:46 -0400l, > From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> > Organization: tsoft-inc.com ' > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U)N > X-Accept-Language: ene > MIME-Version: 1.0p" > Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?, > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii! > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENET $ > Sender: infovax-request@ulcc.ac.uk >  > Nigel Arnot wrote: > > K > > Get the word out: reading any .doc file is like unsafe sex, it could be E > > lethal (to your PC, your business, your continued employment ...)e > R > Actually, I prefer to equate it with Russian Roulette.  In both the disaster canM > be quite sudden.  Strange, and sad, how many people are clueless about thisrP > problem.  Oh, I understand, they've been listening to billie-boy.  Some recentM > rumors are that billie-boy got a rather good taste of his own medicine. :-)l   YES!!   G But Russian Roulette is underestimating the danger: with that, you knowVI instantly if you're lucky, and nobody else gets a nasty disease if you're= not. .  G The thing we're going to see more and more is stealth malware. It won't I smash your computer, either immediately or later. It just silently lurks,c5 spreading itself, looking or listening for something.o  @ Maybe it then goes boom, on command. Or maybe it just abstracts F company-confidential information and trickles it out to someone else. I Or .... I don't want to give those folks ideas, though I suspect the best ( (ie worst) of them are way ahead of me.   F The only fix is an operating system and applications designed from theJ roots up with security in mind. I don't believe that BGware is redeemable,G by the time you'd ripped out everything that would need rewriting there K would be next to nothing left. Linux is a start, VMS would be a better one i- if open-sourced. (I still dream, sometimes). -  
 				Nigel.   ------------------------------   Date: 19 May 2000 13:45:53 GMT, From: bill@cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?, Message-ID: <8g3gih$2f02$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>   In article <Pine.LNX.4.05.10005181943430.18134-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>, Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> writes:# |> On Thu, 18 May 2000, dls2 wrote:o |> c/ |> > "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> wrote:-C |> > > Local observations show that it seems to take 30 Pentium Mhzi. |> > > to equal 1 VUP.  Your mileage may vary. |> o |> > What is a VUP?- |> W |> A "VAX Unit of Performance" |>  ( |> To paraphrase something from a FAQ... |> eH |> One VUP is the amount of force (measured in dynes) it takes to draw aL |> round ball weighing e Troy Ounces down a tube it fits exactly (in air) at, |> a speed of pi attoparsecs/microfortnight. |> "  " Nothing sucks like a VAX!!     :-)  + |> Or.. well, that's for the _other_ VAX ;)s   bill   -- nJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   e   ------------------------------   Date: 19 May 2000 07:53:13 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.044962.killspam.0138 (Wayne Sewell)b  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?. Message-ID: <Bt0v5g2kxUeh@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  Z In article <3924D186.DDB673A2@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > Nigel Arnot wrote: >> eJ >> Get the word out: reading any .doc file is like unsafe sex, it could beD >> lethal (to your PC, your business, your continued employment ...) > R > Actually, I prefer to equate it with Russian Roulette.  In both the disaster canM > be quite sudden.  Strange, and sad, how many people are clueless about thisbP > problem.  Oh, I understand, they've been listening to billie-boy.  Some recentM > rumors are that billie-boy got a rather good taste of his own medicine. :-)d  N God, wouldn't that be poetic justice if billy's *own* computers got trashed byM the love bug virus?  Maybe he has completely lost track of where his billions@L are located.  Sounds like it's time for some creative hacking to shunt those6 funds into the account of someone more deserving.  :-)     -- CO ===============================================================================iM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxc: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O ===============================================================================sC Jake Blues: "Sell me your children!  How much for the little girl?"    ------------------------------   Date: 19 May 2000 14:42:24 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?, Message-ID: <8g3jsg$4l6@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  N In article <8g1gc0$csg@fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, "dls2" <dls2@Lehigh.EDU> writes:; >Why has Compaq seen fit to release the DS10L machines withi9 >two 10/100Mbps ethernet connecters?  These machines seema? >to be marketed as ideal for clustering, yet from what has justt< >been stated about latency, the DS10L machines seem terribly >suited for clustering.e  E These are primarily targeted for massively parallel computing.  Stuff2J hundreds of them into racks and run MPI or PVM.  The other application is G as front end web servers, in which case it's very convenient to have anc1 "outside" network connection and an "inside" one.e  E All of this under Linux of course, unless you're a government or have J really deep pockets, in which case Tru64 is an option.  You might as well @ forget about using VMS in these markets.  Compaq certainly has.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduh? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech  J **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:03:14 +0100e- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>a  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?) Message-ID: <392557B2.2AD3D57C@bbc.co.uk>    Christopher Smith wrote:  I >  Of course, you'd still have the same application availability problem.d >c  L Yes, but once you do have an application, then managing it in a cluster is a doddle, H install into SYS$COMMON, use SYSMAN to execute the startup file on otherJ nodes, most products don't requre a reboot. With M$ you are running aroundN running setup.exe on everyone's desktop, or ruining their logins with upgrades, (yes, the upgrades here run when you login).   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukn  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofu MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:10:44 +0100w- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>e  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?) Message-ID: <39255974.6293C814@bbc.co.uk>e   Carl Perkins wrote:   I >  As for the scanning, I would have to guess that you were not using the C > scanning software directly, but rather calling it from some othere  C Well, its either Paint Shop Pro or use the crappy program that camerB with the Logitech Pagescan USB. I prefer to use PSP as it can saveF in many formats etc, but I am getting RSI from all those mouse clicks.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukn  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofv MedAS or the BBC.m   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:41:28 +0000 (   ) 3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>   Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10005191639410.29059-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  ) On Fri, 19 May 2000, Tim Llewellyn wrote:E  K > >  Of course, you'd still have the same application availability problem.-  N > Yes, but once you do have an application, then managing it in a cluster is a	 > doddle,bJ > install into SYS$COMMON, use SYSMAN to execute the startup file on otherL > nodes, most products don't requre a reboot. With M$ you are running aroundP > running setup.exe on everyone's desktop, or ruining their logins with upgrades. > (yes, the upgrades here run when you login).  I Maybe I should clearify that, by "availability," I mean that it's not theg> easiest thing to find them in the first place. :)  After that,4 "availability" in the technical sense is no problem.   Regards,   Chrisa  O ===============================================================================a@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W ProgrammerR Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.w% -------------------------------------PI "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes andyH weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 CO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------r   ------------------------------   Date: 19 May 2000 16:50:36 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?. Message-ID: <8g3rcs$odf$2@info.service.rug.nl>  C In article <8g1mm9$s12$1@joe.rice.edu>, leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry  Leslie) writes:   D >The other "VAX" is still available...          |------------------|D >                                               V                  |D >  http://www.vax.co.uk/pages/navigation/mainfr_navigator.htm      |D >  vacuum cleaners, carpet cleaners, hoovers from Vax              |D                                                                    |D Look, Ma, there's proof---a VAX is a mainframe! --------------------   ------------------------------   Date: 19 May 2000 12:04 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)   Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?- Message-ID: <19MAY200012045841@gerg.tamu.edu>-  . David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes... }"John E. Malmberg" wrote:O }> Local observations show that it seems to take 30 Pentium Mhz to equal 1 VUP.1 }> Your mileage may vary.r }> w }> -John } M }I've gotta guess that you're kidding a bit here.  Still, it is a bit amusingtP }that today's 1 GHz processor has finally matched, say, a MicroVAX 3100 model 90P }or maybe a model 95, some 10 years later?  But they still can't cluster them as }well as the 10 year old VAX.r }  }Davey  F I seriously doubt the conversion, considering that a DEC 3000m600 withE its 175MHz 21064 CPU is only about as fast as a Pentium 120 - 133 (ataI the lower end for integer, the higher end for floating point). Since thiswL system is faster than any single processor VAX (except for in a few specificE cases where the VAX's spiffy capabilities win out, not to mention the-J terrible effects of misaligned data on the 21064) but the conversion wouldK indicate only 4 VUPS, the conversion must be off (a more correct figure forsI the VUP rating of the system is likely to be well in excess of 100). And,uG of course, a P-III does more per clock cycle than a Pentium so the 1GHz C P-III is somewhat faster than a hypothetical 1GHz Pentium would be.o   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 18:07:47 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>   Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?) Message-ID: <392574E3.A0E73AAB@bbc.co.uk>    Nigel Arnot wrote:  I >  The only fix is an operating system and applications designed from the0L > roots up with security in mind. I don't believe that BGware is redeemable,I > by the time you'd ripped out everything that would need rewriting there L > would be next to nothing left. Linux is a start, VMS would be a better one. > if open-sourced. (I still dream, sometimes). >,  P didn't we all know most of this this back in the 80's (well all except the linux stuff).AH No need to open source VMS, just sell it cheap at the low end to compete' at least in the same ballpark as Linux.a  I The only thing worth copying from windows is possibly the UI style guide.    >e( >                                 Nigel.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uka  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofo MedAS or the BBC.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:09:06 +0000a/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>l/ Subject: re: VMS on the desktop? (.doc dangers)-7 Message-ID: <009EA50B.1CB7C4E5.26@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>S   > < > Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> wrote in message3 > news:009EA44E.F405F53D.31@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk...n >  > ...n > K > > Get the word out: reading any .doc file is like unsafe sex, it could be:E > > lethal (to your PC, your business, your continued employment ...)e > N > While not in a position to refute the above assertion, I do question it:  itC > looks a great deal like others that I *do* know to be significant  > exaggerations. > J > A while ago, my impression was that the only threat in reading a .doc MSK > file was macro viruses, which could only affect other Word documents that?J > you created or edited.  If so, using Word only to read such things wouldN > seem relatively safe.  Has this changed (e.g., are there now embedded-script8 > facilities that execute without warning and without an% > appropriately-restrictive sandbox)?   G If word is set to warn about macros, you'll get a warning. But when didnF you last check your word settings? And if you're running Outhouse and I IE with the maximum security, you'll get warnings about scripts. But when J did you last check your settings?  How long before malware is written thatI doesn't do anything noticeable to your PC, other than alter your settings:H so that other people's malware can do the damage? There have been plentyG of vulnerabilities in the past that would have allowed such, and I have F no confidence at all that there aren't many more waiting for a malware author to uncover. e  L It may or may not be possible to make NT secure, but all the evidence pointsK to the latter. When I try, fixing some of the holes I know of requires ACLsrB that cause much legitimate software to stop working! There are an I ever-increasing number of exploits of ever-increasing sophistication and tI impact. Microsoft have built a house out of beetle-infested timber using nI substandard nails and fasteners, and with invisible roof tiles that keep  H falling off and don't get put back on anything like promptly. Would you E feel safe in such a house? Not me. Indeed, I worry what may happen to K the world at large when malware written by a competent intelligence agency b/ gets loose. Which all history suggests it will.a   > N > And there are other ways to read Word documents.  MS provided a free 'Word 7N > viewer' read-only application after inadvisably changing Word 7 such that itJ > created documents unreadable by previous versions of Word that one wouldD > expect would not transmit macro viruses, and the Wordpad half-WordL > application that comes with their OSs may also be sufficiently limited (it, > sure is in other ways) to avoid the issue.  E And I've read Microsoft's documentation of that viewer looking for anXH assurance that it is fundamentally incapable of modifying anything otherF than my screen. I didn't find it, or anything even vaguely reassuring.H So what is it? A cut back version of Word lacking editing functionality,G but how carefully pruned? Might there be loose ends inside? We'll never0D know unless Microsoft releases it in source form, or until a malware8 author hacks it. At present they don't even warranty it. > M > As I said, I'm not knowledgeable one way or the other in these matters, butuK > I do think people should be as careful to be accurate in their statements6L > about other environments as they would like others to be about VMS, and myJ > experience is that, especially w.r.t. MS products, this is often not the > case..  I I said that reading .doc files from outside your organisation's hopefully:J controlled environment was like unsafe sex, and I'll stick to that. UnsafeG sex won't necessarily do you any harm, but on the other hand if it does- it can be an awful lot of harm.n  I And I recommended that every .doc file found on a web site be followed uptC with a form letter to the webmaster explaining why it's hurting his(K business. It's hurting him because security-conscious Microsoft users won't I read that page. It's hurting him because Linux or VMS or mainframe users qE may not have anything handy to read it with. And he can solve it veryrG easily by writing it as a platform-independant .html file (which he canmM do using Word "save as", at a pinch), or as a .pdf if the fine details of thei8 formatting are critical. (Postscript is a third option).  % I don't think I'm unreasonable. YMMV.t   	Yours,u
 		Nigel Arnotn- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                   .  7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:06:48 +0100s  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com/ Subject: re: VMS on the desktop? (.doc dangers) > Message-ID: <802568E4.003D17EC.00@qedilc01.qedi.quintiles.com>   Nigel Arnot wrote:O >>>It may or may not be possible to make NT secure, but all the evidence pointsfK to the latter. When I try, fixing some of the holes I know of requires ACLse7 that cause much legitimate software to stop working!<<<s <snipped purely for brevity>  P Nigel has raised some very good points in his posting, including when did peopleH last check their settings (not to mention would anyone _know_ what theirI settings should be and how much do they change from version to version of.2 apparently the same MS - and other PC - software?)  N Whilst I appreciate that VMS and Tru64 are very, very different from NT in theO sense that the teams responsible for these OSes actually do take pride in theirfM work and would be very upset if they created an oil barrel sized can of worms@P like MS do at every stage, one has to wonder if an increased usage and awarenessO of VMS might provide some problems for people like me who manage these systems.o  K The security model on VMS (since that's where my expertise is) is obviously>O vastly superior to NT - provided one doesn't screw it up oneself.  I know of atAP least one site where there was a default DECnet account, despite the guy who hadP configured the system telling me he'd taken "all of the defaults" for the DECnetN Phase IV ^H^H^HDECnet Classic configuration.  However, I feel sure that one ofN the reasons that there is a virus outbreak in e-mail every other week (anotherI one was discussed on the news this very morning) is that more people havenJ billyboxes at home which means more people sitting at home (whatever theirO personal circumstances) can think up these destructive beasts and start sending N them around.  Having VMS or, for that matter, Solaris or HP-Urghs or AIX in asO many homes would probably start to wreak similar havok on these systems to what." is presently done on WNT, W95 etc.  * Is near-obscurity a valid form of defence?   Steve.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:44:49 +0100o- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>:/ Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop? (.doc dangers):) Message-ID: <39255361.CF09F76B@bbc.co.uk>i  ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:u   >i, > Is near-obscurity a valid form of defence? >l  C Steve, I have often wondered myself if this is not part of Digitalsc8 downplaying of VMS, they don't WANT too many people with: VMS sysmanagement level knowledge. Then again, it could be	 paranoia.s  ; I do of course remember the WANK worm and the problems thatyA caused. However, we did not loose any data from that, only sleep.    >b > Steve.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukt  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofs MedAS or the BBC.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:11:17 +0000=$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk/ Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop? (.doc dangers)c/ Message-ID: <002568E4.005E81DB.00@quegw01.btyp>a  = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazaa  P I just KNOW there is a response to your second paragraph, but I am resisting the
 temptation...=   :-)a   Steve Spires VMS System Manager Yellow Pages        > Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> on 19/05/2000 14:44:49    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)SJ From:      Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>, 19 May 2000, 2:44 p.m.  & Re: VMS on the desktop? (.doc dangers)            ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:n   >t, > Is near-obscurity a valid form of defence? >p  C Steve, I have often wondered myself if this is not part of Digitalsf8 downplaying of VMS, they don't WANT too many people with: VMS sysmanagement level knowledge. Then again, it could be	 paranoia.   ; I do of course remember the WANK worm and the problems that A caused. However, we did not loose any data from that, only sleep.a   >a > Steve.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukg  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those oft MedAS or the BBC.w   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:43:43 +0000e/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>.? Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop? (TD to webmaster form letters)e7 Message-ID: <009EA518.54AC6574.36@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>*   > 9 > Would you consider posting those two form letters here? E > I am sure that I am not the only one curious to see their contents?* >  >  > appreciatively,* > Derrick Shearer- > dls2@Lehigh.EDU-  E OK, here goes:  #1 for .doc (or .xls etc) files. #2 for ugly MS .htm.eF Nothing fancy: I just cut/paste them into the message field of a mail,# and cut/paste the URL after the re:e  N I've rarely had cause to use the second and never yet got any results with it.G I reserve it for cases where I literally can't extract the information  E content of the page, not for cases where the results are merely ugly.e   -----------------------------  Dear Webmaster,c  	 re: [URL]r  M The above URL on your website is a Microsoft .doc file. As a matter of policyoH I do not view such files because it seems fundamentally impossible to beF certain that they do not contain a viral payload (which could be a newH virus that no current virus scanner can recognise, and which could have E infiltrated your organisation without your knowledge). You might alsolD wish to ponder the legal implications with respect to customers less cautious than myself!-  E In addition I should point out that customers viewing your site usinglN Linux or any other Unix, VMS, or a mainframe operating system, may not be in a position to view the file.  H Might I suggest that you reformulate the file as HTML (which you can do,I albeit inadequately, using "save as" in the Microsoft product), or if itssM precise format is critically important, as an Adobe .pdf file or a PostscriptmL printer .ps file. (You might wish to offer your customers the choice between) all of these as many other web-sites do).l  = Unless you do so, I shall remain in ignorance of the contents,D of the above URL, and this may of course result in me choosing to do business with someone else.H   Yours Faithfully   i   etc." ----------------------------------   Dear webmaster,p   re:   L The above URL on your website is virtually unreadable using the Netscape 4.7I web browser. I am letting you know, since it may be giving an unfortunateeL impression of your organisation to the many users of non-Microsoft browsers.  F The problem appears to be caused by your use of a Microsoft product toB prepare the page, that generates HTML that is largely incompatibleH with viewers other than Microsoft's own Internet Explorer. It is allegedF in the current USG anti-trust action against Microsoft that this is no5 mere accident, but a deliberate anti-competitive act.e  H I have chosen to remain loyal to Netscape, both for the above reason andM because I have no confidence that use of Internet explorer is compatible with A maintaining my computer free from viruses and other "malware". InrD addition, I should point out that Internet Explorer is not availableG to users of Linux, Unix, VMS and other non-Microsoft operating systems.e  E Might I suggest that you prepare your web pages using one of numerous=F third-party products which generate standard-conforming HTML that willG display well on any web-browser rather than favoring a particular one. (   Yours Faithfully   etc.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 May 2000 17:37:35 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)" Subject: Re: Wildfire Announcement* Message-ID: <39255fbf$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  2 I don't know if it was already mentioned here, so:  2 In "Compaq pins Internet hopes on new server line"  2 	http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-1883819.html   there is  M  While rivals such as Sun have focused on big-iron servers, Compaq is bettingGM  successful computer makers must find new ways of delivering content quickly.?L  That means larger servers on the back end supported by a lot of storage andL  intermediary servers, such as Wildfire, in the middle, plus smaller servers-  for caching Web content for quick delivery. -  1 Can anyone explain what the "back end" would be ?   G Sigh, Compaq did it again (because most likely all people will continuei( to think "back end" is obviously SUN)...   -- n< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888'< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:26:48 +0100t  From: steven.reece@quintiles.comF Subject: Re: Wildfire Announcement: Michael Capellas, can you say VMS?> Message-ID: <802568E4.00396DCC.01@qedilc01.qedi.quintiles.com>   John Malmberg commented :a= >>>Compaq having it's own office suite for it's product line?oC That would make it like IBM with Lotus, or Sun with Star Office, orw! Microsoft with it's Office suite.D Why would they want that?<<<  I Especially considering that Digital used to have that (more or less) withyK WPSPlus before they decided to stop development and support WordPerfect forg sales instead.......  O Then again, they might have to get into a logical bed with Sun for PMDF if they   followed the office suite route.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:10:39 -0700a7 From: "Arthur E. Ragosta" <ragosta@merlin.arc.nasa.gov>aF Subject: Re: Wildfire Announcement: Michael Capellas, can you say VMS?2 Message-ID: <3925596F.501D6D0@merlin.arc.nasa.gov>   Carl Perkins wrote:   K > Perhaps they could send half a years worth of it to Corel. They could use K > the money and we could use a complete port of Corel WordPerfect Office in H > its current version (even at just the "standard" level - that would beI > WordPerfect, Quattro, Presentations, and Trellix, and probably the SDK,kO > and perhaps CorelCENTRAL (for synchronizing your Palm PDA), but they probablyoK > have little control over a port of the Adobe Acrobat Reader and MS Visualp  > Basic for Applications Tools). >v  C Let's not forget Paradox.  We could use a cheap, powerful database.    ------------------------------   Date: 19 May 2000 16:47:02 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)F Subject: Re: Wildfire Announcement: Michael Capellas, can you say VMS?. Message-ID: <8g3r66$odf$1@info.service.rug.nl>  G In article <FuruvL.89H@world.std.com>, "Terry C[ommie Killer]. Shannon"   <shannon@world.std.com> writes:   L >But there is some Good News. I will write it up and post it on the acersoftL >site. In short, we can expect Really Good Stuff from the OpenVMS Group Real
 >Soon Now!  H Great!  Just when a combination of bad luck was really getting me down, C I relax reading news and a great piece of news comes in from Terry.l  E Other folks have their gods; we have tidbits from Terry to make life p
 worth living.o   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:50:06 GMTa4 From: "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam>* Subject: Re: Windows 98 Vs. Windows NT 4.0D Message-ID: <OodV4.4130$S31.108746@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>   Joe,  L Please post this in comp.os.ms-windows.speculation newsgroup.  This group is rabidly anit-MS.  H The basic answer is that anti is basically MS-DOS with a new shell and aK semi-multitasking, semi-protected core.  NT is a 32-bit OS that contains nobE DOS code in it.  The functional difference is that all the crappy DOS J software that writes directly to hardware will run on Win9x, but won't runH on NT.  The basic impact is that Games won't run on NT, but that NT is aI whole lot stabler than 9x.  Note that Windows 2000 is finally approachingi. the stability needed to run in the enterprise.  I For the VMS bigots (those who won't listen to anything non-VMS):  Windows J 2000 is really only version 4 of NT.  How good was VMS prior to version 4?K I will agree that the MS marketing machine either is absolutely horrible orhK brilliant - it gets non-computer managers going on MS OS's when they aren'ttK always the best solution.  I was hoping that Compaq would figure out how togL market VMS, because it is an excellent OS, but it looks like Compaq kept the VMS marketing team from DEC.  
 Mike Ober.  @ "Christopher Smith" <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> wrote in messageD news:Pine.LNX.4.05.10005181710380.18134-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com...$ On Thu, 18 May 2000, Art Rice wrote:  1 > On Thu, 18 May 2000 11:19:52 +0200, Arne Vajhja! > <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote:e > >Joe Thomas wrote:I > >> What is the key differences in the Windows 98 system and the Windowse NT? ItL > >> would just be for home use not for a business. I know it costs more butK > >> still. Is there any hardware you need, and is there any specificationso that > >> need to be made?m > >????i1 > >Why do you post this question to comp.os.vms ?i  A > Maybe he's hoping someone will recommend a DS10 and TRU64 Unix. H > Although that would still be the wrong news-group, it would be closer., > And, there would be another Alpha convert.  I Well, It's certainly common knowledge that if you have a windows box, youg* need something else to do all the work. ;)   Regards,   Chrisd  L ============================================================================ ===e> "My two cents" (http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562); Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com) Prgramer^W Programmeru Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.7% ------------------------------------- I "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and H weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes: and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.279 ************************