1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 20 May 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 281       Contents: Re: comparative TCP/IP tests- Re: crystal clear vms filesystem from nt side ! Re: DECnet: work on a remote node " Re: Gartner commentary on Wildfire  Re: How do you search for files? Re: latest Outlook virus Re: MicroVAX, MS and RD53 disks  Re: MicroVAX, MS and RD53 disks  Re: Need urgent help2 Re: OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies Re: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop? & Re: VMS on the desktop? (.doc dangers)= Re: Wildfire Announcement: Michael Capellas, can you say VMS? 
 Win a DS10  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 15 May 2000 18:10:27 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)% Subject: Re: comparative TCP/IP tests , Message-ID: <8fpeij$k74@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  a In article <8ffe0v$qr3@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:   K Netpipe 2.4beta fixes the problem on DS10Rh62 which kept it from talking to G the other machines.  That let me complete the few tests I couldn't run   previously.   See   -   http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/www/vmstcpip/    I've also added these:  " COMPARISON.GIF          everything9 DS10MULTINET.GIF        all tests involving DS10 Multinet 7 DS10RH62.GIF            "   "     "         DS10 RH 6.2 @ DS10UCX.GIF             "   "     "         DS10 TCP/IP Services: RH52INTEL.GIF           "   "     "         PII 400 RH 5.2  J A retest of DS10 Multinet <-> RH52 Intel showed no significant difference 9 between Netpipe 2.3 and 2.4 Beta.  See 23VERSUS24BETA.GIF    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 18:42:50 +0900 + From: "Kejan" <kejan99@soback.kornet21.net> 6 Subject: Re: crystal clear vms filesystem from nt side+ Message-ID: <8g5m35$evd$1@news1.kornet.net>    John- et al,  I Without running the VMS BACKUP command, you cannot have multiple files of K the same name and different versions  (FILENAME.EXT;1  ;2 ;3  ;400 etc ) in K your .ZIP file.  Therefore, you must first perform the VMS backup to a .BCK K file (which is just like Unix TAR), then ZIP it for space savings, then FTP 1 from the NT box into the VMS one and download it.   J Although, if you have at least a TZ87 tapedrive you can backup 20 GB rightI from VMS in files or image format anyway.  Why bother moving it to NT?  I 
 don't get it.         ! John Vottero wrote in message ... L >Use VMS BACKUP to create a disk save set then ZIP to compress that save setD >then FTP the zipped save set to the NT system.  If you trust ZIP to maintainC >VMS attributes, you could eliminate the BACKUP step but I wouldn't 	 recommend H >it.  If you have a fast network link you can eliminate the ZIP step but thenJ >you have to know how to repair BACKUP save sets which have been hacked by >FTP (that's not too hard).  >  >> -----Original Message----- A >> From: danny_erres@my-deja.com [mailto:danny_erres@my-deja.com] ( >> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 1:09 PM >> To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com5 >> Subject: crystal clear vms filesystem from nt side  >> >>2 >> hello everybody , i will start by saying that i, >> speak the "ls -la" language and not "show1 >> mount /all" (i think it goes like that) . i am 3 >> looking for a tool that will gain me the ability 4 >> to "see" a vms filesystem from NT and mount it (i/ >> am going to backup it) . what should i use ? 1 >> nfs , pathworks , samba or other tools i don't 4 >> really familiar with . one major thing is that as2 >> i know vms file attributes are very detailed so2 >> is there any tool out there that will keep/have1 >> all the atrributes and protection although its  >> NTFS ???  >>4 >> i am open for suggestion but keep in mind that my2 >> major need is to backup the vms filesystem with. >> NT tools without damaging the vms data (and* >> metadata) so i can restore it perfectly >> >>
 >> Regards >> >>) >> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/  >> Before you buy. >> >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 23:15:07 GMT 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) * Subject: Re: DECnet: work on a remote node+ Message-ID: <YrMmrLJsOeac@eisner.decus.org>   [ In article <8fpmji$geq$4@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes: - > In article <cP0mPK38x1gn@eisner.decus.org>, > > Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  > D >>In article <8foq4r$7f1$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl > (Phillip Helbig) writes:   > L >>> I recently posted a question as to how one can get the FUNCTIONALITY of G >>> having a remote laptop be a cluster satellite---i.e. work locally,  J >>> update the disk remotely.  Could this be done via DECnet (over IP, as : >>> most remote connections won't be anything else), i.e.  >>> 5 >>> $  SET DEFAULT NODE::DISK[DIRECTORY.SUBDIRECTORY]  >>> I >>> So if I edit a file, I work on it locally and it gets updated on the   >>> remote disk? >>G >>In general, that works, except for the difficulty of finding a laptop G >>that runs VMS (AlphaBook was the only example, and those are in short  >>supply on the used market).  > F > Sounds good.  Of course, a laptop is an extreme example.  There are  > other "portable" machines. > * > What does one need to do DECnet over IP?  > Just system management, after which the end-user should see no difference.   G > I guess to make this better than just connecting remotely, one would  # > want SYS$SCRATCH etc to be local.   A Your SET DEFAULT above does not affect SYS$SCRATCH, so unless you 9 do something to disturb it SYS$SCRATCH will remain local.   K > What will happen in this scenario if the connection is broken?  Does the  2 > answer depend on the length of the interruption?  A There are adjustable DECnet timers, after which you will lose the A connection.  This is good.  If you were editing a file and had to ? set up a _new_ connection when the old one broke off, you would E not want to be told "You cannot edit this file because Phillip Helbig E is already editing it on a previously established DECnet connection".    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 14:57:37 GMT 0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com>+ Subject: Re: Gartner commentary on Wildfire & Message-ID: <Fuv5xB.3Dy@world.std.com>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3925E505.BB888F82@videotron.ca... > Art Rice wrote: E > > At least "they" printed OpenVMS an equal number of times as Tru64  > I > Yeah, but Capellas placed Himalaya at the centre of the internet during  the A > Wildfire unveiling and didn't really place wildfire on his map.   E As well he should have, since CPQ's proposition is that NonStop stuff % belongs at the heart of the Internet.    > K > Since you seem to be from the Tandem side, I am curous as to what sort of H > impact the Wildfire products have had on Tandem customers' opinions of Compaq ?  J Since WildFire doesn't run NSK, the announcement should have little directK impact on the Tandem base. Their interest is more likely to be in the Alpha > chip, since the Himalaya line will get Alpha-betized in ~2003.   > G > Do Tandem customers have the same types of doubts as to the future of J > Gardian/Himalaya as do VMS customers seriously doubt Compaq's commitment to > VMS ?   F Judging by year-over-year growth in Himalaya sales, and the recent S74E announcement, and growth in the ITUG user group base, apparently not.   L And it would appear that the serious doubt of CPQ's commitment to OpenVMS is not a universally-held belief.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 11:55:52 GMT ! From: Ian Parker <parker@gol.com> ) Subject: Re: How do you search for files? & Message-ID: <1HsE4EANsnJ5EwjA@gol.com>  B In article <200005192138_MC2-A5B1-5E88@compuserve.com>, Richard B.& Gilbert <DRAGON@compuserve.com> writes# >Message text written by Andrew3748 K >>How do you search for files AND include the subdirectories in the search.  > 3 >i.e. I would issue '$find . -name *.sql'  in unix.  >< > E >$ DIR [...]*.SQL                ! In VMS [...] is a wildcard for all  >subdirectories  >   G And if you want to search several disks with a single command, define a  search-list logical, e.g.   $ $ define disks dka0: + dka1: + dka2:   Then you can do    $ dir disks:[*...]*.SQL      --  
 Ian Parker   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 18:33:30 +0900 + From: "Kejan" <kejan99@soback.kornet21.net> ! Subject: Re: latest Outlook virus + Message-ID: <8g5lhl$eo4$1@news1.kornet.net>   H Its a denial of service attack on organizations that depend on MicrosoftK Exchange and Outlook.  While you are fixing the problem, your users are out  of luck.  J Brilliant.  All one would need is 10 people worldwide making variants fullK time and soon everyone would have to switch to text based SMTP mail just to  survive.  , Meanwhile, VMS systems just keep kicking....       Art Rice wrote in message ... 5 >On Fri, 19 May 2000 08:22:47 -0600 (MDT), John Nebel   ><nebel@athena.csdco.com> wrote: >  >>@ >>"The German government said it is considering dropping Outlook5 >>for e-mail because of concerns about viruses. While A >>the latest virus has spread only to several thousand computers,  > ! >Only several thousand computers?  > A >>the so-called Love Bug struck an estimated 45 million computers 8 >>worldwide two weeks ago, anti-virus specialists said." >>D >>http://www.bloomberg.com/bbn/index.html - third article down as of6 >>                       Fri, 19 May 2000, 10:05am EDT >> >> >> >>John Nebel >> >  >--  >Art Rice   *#$ >Special Data Processing Corporation' >-------------------------------------- ' >All opinions expressed are mine and do & >not reflect the views of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 20 May 2000 00:05:16 -0700( From: Javier Henderson <javier@kjsl.com>( Subject: Re: MicroVAX, MS and RD53 disks- Message-ID: <861z2xem6r.fsf@cartero.kjsl.com>   4 "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes:   > + > Javier Henderson <javier@kjsl.com> wrote: < > > 	From the deep recesses of my dusty memory cells, I seemA > > to recall that at least one of the Emulex MFM controllers had " > > a built-in formatting utility. > L > It does, but the resulting disk won't work on an RQDX3, you'll have to useN > it on that Emulex controller.  Besides if you're going to dig up a 3rd partyC > controller you'd be better off finding a ESDI or SCSI controller.   9 	Except the original poster was talking about MFM drives, + so a QD21 or UC07 wouldn't do him any good.    -jav   ------------------------------   Date: 20 May 2000 11:14:03 GMT& From: Cthulhu <cthulhu@kadath.deep.it>( Subject: Re: MicroVAX, MS and RD53 disks( Message-ID: <8g5s1r$jr$1@kadath.deep.it>  & Chris Scheers <asi@airmail.net> wrote:  C > You mention RD54s, so I assume that you have an RQDX3 controller.   ( BTW, I have a MicroVAX II with an RQDX3.* Now, I have also a pair of Maxtor XT-1140.   Can they be used together?     	patchworking, 	   Cthulhu    --    G        Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan! % 		       <cthulhu at flashnet dot it>    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 14:38:22 +0100 . From: mpatt644 <mpatt644@netscapeonline.co.uk> Subject: Re: Need urgent help 4 Message-ID: <3926954E.BEBA9356@netscapeonline.co.uk>  ? I think TAPE_DUMP which is on the VMS freeware CD will do this.    "Uhlhorn, Anneliese" wrote:  > K > Is ist possible, to get information on restoring a tape overwriten by VMS # > (only data after End-oftape mark) @ > Are there tools to read TZ87 tapes ignoring end-of tape marks?$ > Thank you in advance for an answer >  Anneliese Uhlhorn   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 17:35:03 GMT 0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com>; Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies & Message-ID: <FuvCvA.Io5@world.std.com>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message% news:3925E572.3B2AC6F@videotron.ca...  > Tim Llewellyn wrote:L > > > It appears to be primarily marketing material. Very short on technical > > > content. > > > * > > > Marketing? VMS? Who would've though? > > @ > > Yup, and marketting it for the mgm's too, even more amazing. > H > But it lacks a listing for the OSU WEB server, the best web server for VMS. It I > also seems to lack an entry for Office-Server which offers all sorts of  accessK > to email and documents over the net (POP, IMAP, WEB, character cell etc).   J You might want to drop a note to Terry Sherlock at CPQ... chances are goodH that there will be a second edition, and if so, it's likely that changes will be incorporated.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 11:41:31 -0400 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?> Message-ID: <hshubs-4AB87E.11413120052000@news.mindspring.com>  = In article <39262059.64937863@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble   <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:  K >So, with all the millions of windoz users, are you gonna try and re-train   >them?    E Nah, you virus (new verb!) them to death so they start looking for a   replacement OS on their own.   --   Howard S Shubs, the Denim Adept    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 13:05:13 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?- Message-ID: <3926C5C9.910D3885@tsoft-inc.com>    Howard S Shubs wrote:  > > > In article <39262059.64937863@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble > <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote: > L > >So, with all the millions of windoz users, are you gonna try and re-train > >them? > F > Nah, you virus (new verb!) them to death so they start looking for a > replacement OS on their own. >  > --! > Howard S Shubs, the Denim Adept   K Oh no, it's not that simple.  They'll all jump on their congressmen and all P sorts of (useless) laws will be passed, mandating the death penalty for hackers,N and such garbage.  Since when has the (supposedly intellegent) human race everE acted intellegently and addressed the problem instead of the symptom?   N I'm actually concerned about the political reaction to virus's and such.  Hey,O if I don't have a front door, and people keep walking in and taking all my cold J beers, I can either greet the next person walking in the doorway with bothK barrals of a 12-gauge, or I can get a front door, and a lock, and have sone 9 security.  It seems that there is a significant number of L people/politicians/Janet Reno goon squads who don't want to be bothered withK security and prefer the shotgun approach.  The same types who will launch a N shuttle regardless of the temperature.  (If that's too subtle for some, and it4 has been, it's one of my favorite terms for IDIOTS.)  N Business users, yeah, you have a chance for some of them to question why theirP supposedly great macroshaft systems allow them to be shafted so many times.  ForN the home users, many of them are not "computer literate" (always wondered whatO that meant) and barely get by.  In any case, they cannot go down to WalMart and L buy a home VMS system, so you lose them regardless.  But, they are learning,$ maybe slowly, but they are learning.  O Look at cars.  In many places the driver sits on the left and cars drive on the L right side of the road.  Is that better than right hand driver, drive on theN left?  Probably not.  However, it is a standard, and I for one am glad that atH least in each geographic/political area that all drivers follow the same	 standard.   O Nothing wrong with well known and widely accepted standards.  Well, can be some - things wrong, but outweigher by the benefits.    Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 01:37:59 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>/ Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop? (.doc dangers) - Message-ID: <392624B7.1460EA1A@tsoft-inc.com>   ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:  > M > The security model on VMS (since that's where my expertise is) is obviouslyoQ > vastly superior to NT - provided one doesn't screw it up oneself.  I know of at R > least one site where there was a default DECnet account, despite the guy who hadR > configured the system telling me he'd taken "all of the defaults" for the DECnetP > Phase IV ^H^H^HDECnet Classic configuration.  However, I feel sure that one ofP > the reasons that there is a virus outbreak in e-mail every other week (anotherK > one was discussed on the news this very morning) is that more people haveyL > billyboxes at home which means more people sitting at home (whatever theirQ > personal circumstances) can think up these destructive beasts and start sendingdP > them around.  Having VMS or, for that matter, Solaris or HP-Urghs or AIX in asQ > many homes would probably start to wreak similar havok on these systems to whatb$ > is presently done on WNT, W95 etc. > , > Is near-obscurity a valid form of defence? >  > Steve.  M I see two sides to this.  I have seen VMS based applications where the vendornO set up user accounts with privlidges because that's the only way they could get O the applications to run.  Not much different from NT applications that break as ( soon as you set up any type of security.  M What I do question is the percentage of cases with NT applications where they P will not be accepted unless they can be run in a secure environment, vs the sameP issue with VMS systems.  I've seen VMS applications tossed out because they wereN a security problem.  I'm guessing that the percentage of VMS shops that demandO security would be rather significant.  I'm also guessing that the percentage offL NT applications that get tossed because of security issues is rather small. L Since the concept of security rarely exists in the NT world, the applicationO people have much less pressure on them to provide secure applications.  The fewvN voices there calling out for security get drowned by the roar of mouse clicks.  I No, I don't believe that having many more VMS hackers would result in anyFO security problems, except in cases where the system is operated in a vulnerablepC manner.  At least with VMS you have a choice to implement security.    Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.comi Vanderbilt, PA  15486w   ------------------------------   Date: 20 May 2000 08:46:47 GMT- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)oF Subject: Re: Wildfire Announcement: Michael Capellas, can you say VMS?5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-UnK1YK5iRQHC@localhost>o  F On Sun, 18 May 3900 15:06:26, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  wrote:  J > The article you read may have had a more balanced slant on it, but I sawO > nothing really positive about that extravaganza that wasn't. Perhaps only thecP > question about the aeronautics industry which stomped Capellas who didn't seemL > aware that it was a market worth vying for (and his response, after a veryX > long silence was the standard "we'll only sell to our existing niche markets" policy).  F I'm in the aerospace industry, I use VMS, it has been our standard s/wD development platform for nearly 18 years but SUN has a foothold now ' (and in other areas more than that) ...i  f Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 17:38:30 GMTi0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com> Subject: Win a DS10r& Message-ID: <FuvD18.JHG@world.std.com>  K Compaq has a "Win a DS10" contest posted on the WildFire announcement page. B Answer 10 easy questions and you'll have a stab at winning a DS10.  F Unfortunately, the contest closes at 23:59 EST tonite Saturday 20 May.   -- Terry C. Shannon. Consultant and Publisher, Shannon Knows Compaq shannon@world.std.coms http://www.acersoft.comi   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.281 ************************