1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 22 May 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 285       Contents: 400a/400au + 500a/500au 8 ??== OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies book< Re: Accessing the assembler from Dec C++ on Alpha Tru64 Unix< Re: Accessing the assembler from Dec C++ on Alpha Tru64 Unix< Re: Accessing the assembler from Dec C++ on Alpha Tru64 Unix< Re: Accessing the assembler from Dec C++ on Alpha Tru64 Unix< Re: Accessing the assembler from Dec C++ on Alpha Tru64 Unix< Re: Accessing the assembler from Dec C++ on Alpha Tru64 Unix< Re: Accessing the assembler from Dec C++ on Alpha Tru64 Unix. Re: address munging revisited: the web version Alpha Firmware Update = Hosed ! Re: Alpha Firmware Update = Hosed 7 Anyone got an example of lib$set_symbol in a c program? ; Re: Anyone got an example of lib$set_symbol in a c program? ; Re: Anyone got an example of lib$set_symbol in a c program? ; Re: Anyone got an example of lib$set_symbol in a c program?  Re: AW: HELP Quorum in cluster7 Can system or quorum disks be moved without a shutdown? 4 DCL: how to get the name of the current subroutine ?8 Re: DCL: how to get the name of the current subroutine ?8 Re: DCL: how to get the name of the current subroutine ?
 dtss hangs Re: dtss hangs" Re: Gartner commentary on Wildfire" Re: Gartner commentary on Wildfire1 Re: gettimeofday() and usleep() for VMS pre-V7.0?  Hangs on HSZ70 HELP Quorum in cluster Re: HELP Quorum in cluster Re: HELP Quorum in cluster Re: HELP Quorum in cluster2 How to export contents of RMS file to .csv format?6 Re: How to export contents of RMS file to .csv format?6 Re: How to export contents of RMS file to .csv format?* Re: I Don't want that cluster. What to do? Job opportunities 2 Re: Limiting Decnet Phase IV access with VMS 7.1-2L Re: LINKING F90 programs leads to "multiply defined" and "undefined" CMA$TIS7 Re: LN15 printer setup: job remains in "starting" state " Re: Looking for PW API information" Re: Looking for PW API information5 Re: MicroVAX 2000 VUPS ( was Re: VMS on the desktop?) 5 Re: MicroVAX 2000 VUPS ( was Re: VMS on the desktop?)  Multi workplaces under OpenVMS" Re: Multi workplaces under OpenVMS2 Re: OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies, OpenVMS the last OS without JAVA Script 1.2?0 Re: OpenVMS the last OS without JAVA Script 1.2? Re: SKC's OpenVMS Viewpoint  Re: SKC's OpenVMS Viewpoint  Re: SKC's OpenVMS Viewpoint 5 Re: Software for Grownups (Was: Re: "Modern" OpenVMS) 5 Re: Software for Grownups (Was: Re: "Modern" OpenVMS) " super thick inside out pipes  79181 Re: Tape Data Recovery (was Re: Need urgent help) 1 Re: Tape Data Recovery (was Re: Need urgent help)  Re: the latest billybox virus  Re: undeleted utillity# Using both uppercase and lowercase! ' Re: Using both uppercase and lowercase! ' Re: Using both uppercase and lowercase! ' Re: Using both uppercase and lowercase! ' Re: Using both uppercase and lowercase!  Re: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop?  re: Voluntary Milking System$ Re: Which is the language of VAX/VMS Re: Wildfire Announcement  Re: Wildfire Announcement  Re: Wildfire Announcement  Re: Wildfire Announcement = Re: Wildfire Announcement: Michael Capellas, can you say VMS? ! Re: Windows 98 Vs. Windows NT 4.0 ! Re: Windows 98 Vs. Windows NT 4.0 ! Re: Windows 98 Vs. Windows NT 4.0 ! Re: Windows 98 Vs. Windows NT 4.0  Windows/VMS integration  Re: Windows/VMS integration " [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:18:47 GMT ' From: moi_is_me <moi_is_me@my-deja.com>   Subject: 400a/400au + 500a/500au) Message-ID: <8gbc3g$rh0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   A Of late, there seems to be a number of 400a + 500a alpha machines  showing up for sale.  @ What parts (and at what cost) are actually involved in modifying one of these to run VMS/TRU64 ?   E For those that have modified one ... have you good / bad experience ?   4 BTW - once modified, can you get support contracts ?   TIA     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:57:42 +0100 , From: aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus)A Subject: ??== OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies book D Message-ID: <aus-2205000957420001@wvia21.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>  , These is any interesting OpenVMS article on:  / http://www.theregister.co.uk/000521-000002.html     I How do I obtain a complimentary copy of the Dummies book mentioned at the  end of the article?     J "Compaq is distributing its OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies book to the installed base."   --  B Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:27:47 +0100 ( From: Paul Black <paul.black@oxsemi.com>E Subject: Re: Accessing the assembler from Dec C++ on Alpha Tru64 Unix ( Message-ID: <3928FD93.FE9754@oxsemi.com>  ' Bob Marcan <bob.marcan@aster.si> wrote:  > > Here's another:  > >  > > int main(void) > > {  > > int new;
 > > return 0;  > > }  > >  > > Tell me how it turns out.   ) > No problem on Tru64, OpenVMS and Linux.   ? Are you claiming that that piece of code compiles fine on a C++ 	 compiler?    Paul   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:31:33 +0100 ( From: Paul Black <paul.black@oxsemi.com>E Subject: Re: Accessing the assembler from Dec C++ on Alpha Tru64 Unix * Message-ID: <3928FE75.2A2F9DB3@oxsemi.com>  ' Bob Marcan <bob.marcan@aster.si> wrote:  >  > Paul Black wrote:  > > & > > "OHM" <ohm62@SFhotmail.com> wrote: > > > I > > > You do not know what you are talking about.  ex-Digital, now Compaq $ > > > compilers compile C just fine.
 > > [snip]& > > >    char *c = (char *)malloc(20); > >   > > > >    char *c = malloc(20); > > J > > Any reason why you changed the code or was it because the C++ compiler4 > > wouldn't compile the originally supplied C code. > >  > > Paul >  > Let's start:   > [bob@sipek TEMP]$ gcc x.cxx " > x.cxx: In function `int main()':I > x.cxx:8: warning: ANSI C++ forbids implicit conversion from `void *' in  > initialization     > $ cxx/list=sys$output: x.cxx >  >    char *c = malloc(20); > ..............^ J > %CXX-E-BADINITTYP, a value of type "void *" cannot be used to initialize& >           an entity of type "char *"     > brinovc.aster.si> gcc x.cxx " > x.cxx: In function `int main()':I > x.cxx:8: warning: ANSI C++ forbids implicit conversion from `void *' in  > initialization     > brinovc.aster.si> cxx x.cxx G > cxx: Error: x.cxx, line 8: a value of type "void *" cannot be used to 1 >           initialize an entity of type "char *"  >    char *c = malloc(20); > -------------^< > cxx: Info: 1 error detected in the compilation of "x.cxx".     > fs 28% gcc x.cxx" > x.cxx: In function `int main()':I > x.cxx:7: warning: ANSI C++ forbids implicit conversion from `void *' in  > initialization > fs 29% >  > ---------------------  >  > Any comments?   C It proves that some C programs are not valid C++ programs which was & exactly the point made by Dann Corbit.   Paul   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:33:58 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> E Subject: Re: Accessing the assembler from Dec C++ on Alpha Tru64 Unix ) Message-ID: <39290D16.7E3950D3@gtech.com>    Dann Corbit wrote:6 > "Jeffrey Ng" <jeffng@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> wrote in message* > news:si62o9bq8ta83@corp.supernews.com... > I > Why did you crosspost to the .x86 group?  Certainly you knew that Alpha I > instructions are completely different.  That crosspost was so absurd, I 
 > trimmed it.  > L > Why did you crosspost to news:comp.lang.c, which addresses the C language?- > The DEC C++ compilers won't even compile C.   F No C++ compiler will compile all C code, because there are differences in the language.  D Traditionally on PC's and Unix C and C++ compilers has been bundled,$ so people did not notice it, but ...   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:37:39 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> E Subject: Re: Accessing the assembler from Dec C++ on Alpha Tru64 Unix ) Message-ID: <39290DF2.4089980E@gtech.com>    Paul Black wrote: E > It proves that some C programs are not valid C++ programs which was ( > exactly the point made by Dann Corbit.   No.   . His point was that DEC C++ does not compile C.  6 And as you say the real point is that any C++ compiler  does not compile all C programs.   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2000 11:57:32 -0400" From: Ben Pfaff <pfaffben@msu.edu>E Subject: Re: Accessing the assembler from Dec C++ on Alpha Tru64 Unix 2 Message-ID: <87n1liwpar.fsf@pfaffben.user.msu.edu>  4 mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:  Y > In article <i%fV4.991$cR3.1431@client>, "Dann Corbit" <dcorbit@solutionsiq.com> writes:  > >  > >int main(void)  > >{ > >int new;  > >return 0; > >} > L > Other than the fact that this C program is incompatible with C++, what is ) > the point you're trying to make here???   8 The point is that not all valid C programs are valid C++	 programs.    ------------------------------   Date: 22 May 2000 15:37:41 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)E Subject: Re: Accessing the assembler from Dec C++ on Alpha Tru64 Unix , Message-ID: <8gbk85$3d2@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  W In article <i%fV4.991$cR3.1431@client>, "Dann Corbit" <dcorbit@solutionsiq.com> writes:  >  >int main(void)  >{	 >int new; 
 >return 0; >}  K Of course that won't compile with CXX (and shouldn't with anybody else C++  ! compiler either) and here's why:     $create killme.c int main(void) {  int new;	 return 0;  }  $ cc/warn=enable=all killme.c    int new; ....^ K %CC-W-CXXKEYWORD, "new" is a keyword in C++.  Using it as an identifier in  8 your C program will prevent porting your program to C++.9 at line number 3 in file USRDISK:[USERS.MATHOG]KILLME.C;1   I The C compiler says "this program will not work in C++", but it's only a  K warning, and the program will work with a C compiler.  If you stubbornly go " ahead and try it with CXX anyway:    $ cxx/warn=enable=all killme.c   int new; ....^ $ %CXX-E-EXPID, expected an identifier9 at line number 3 in file USRDISK:[USERS.MATHOG]KILLME.C;1   J Which is all perfectly consistent - the C compiler said it wouldn't work, J and sure enough, it didn't.  The only thing that might be improved is the J CXX warning, which might have said "found a reserved keyword, expected an  identifier".  J Other than the fact that this C program is incompatible with C++, what is ' the point you're trying to make here???    David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 17:53:34 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>E Subject: Re: Accessing the assembler from Dec C++ on Alpha Tru64 Unix + Message-ID: <8gbomg$r1m@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   ? "David Mathog" <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote in message & news:8gbk85$3d2@gap.cco.caltech.edu...  K > Other than the fact that this C program is incompatible with C++, what is ) > the point you're trying to make here???   G I guess that posting a C++ question to a C group is no more useful than J posting an Alpha assembler question to an x86 group, or a unix question to comp.os.vms.  F He did suggest that news:comp.unix.ultrix was a sensible place to post> rather than news:comp.unix.tru64 but I guess nobody's perfect.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:36:04 -0400 " From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>7 Subject: Re: address munging revisited: the web version 8 Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20000522103206.00ea8a10@24.8.96.48>  ? At 11:36 AM 5/21/00 +0200, Dan (well, no, not really...) wrote: M >In article <4.3.1.0.20000517094516.01f76ab0@24.8.96.48>, Dan Sugalski wrote: H > > Weird. I've been using this e-mail address for five or seven years, 	 > haven't I > > ever munched it for news posts, and have it splashed over lots of web M > > pages. I see maybe two pieces of spam a week directed at me, out of great  > > gobs of mail each week.  > > 5 > > This sounds like it's not particularly typical...  > > D >I see a theme here. Your's is a .org, and John Malmberg's is a .net > I >If I were a spambot writer, I'd probably avoid those, thinking they were * >"official" and could get me into trouble.  K You probably give them far too much credit here. :) On the other hand, I'm  C more than happy to take the spamlessnes, regardless of the reasons.   K >I've just started getting a bit of spam using this address (3 this week),  I >which I  assume comes from scanning this newsgroup, but nothing like as  I >much as I used to get from posting from work. Don't know why, but maybe  3 >because I'm using just my first name before the @.   L You're probably not on those "25 bazillion handcrafted e-mail addresses for 9 $20!" CDs that are being sold. Well, not yet at least. :)   L >And here we try, purely for experimentational purposes, to use add you as aK >posting address in my domain. I assume you won't want the spam forwarding   >when it  arrives :) :)   I Nah, though the stats would be interesting. Hopefully there won't be any  ( real mail destined for me going there...   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"------------------- 2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and even ;                                       teddy bears get drunk    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 16:12:09 +0000  From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net> & Subject: Alpha Firmware Update = Hosed' Message-ID: <39295C59.FE35AE42@fsi.net>   
 Hi, Folks,  G Well, I've just joined the ranks of those who have attempted to convert A a W/NT AlphaStation 200 4/233 to the SRM console, and now have an  unusable machine.   G I downloaded the firmware update program from Compaq, reflashed the SRM H ROM, and power-cycled the machine as suggested. Now, like others before,H I have a machine that goes as far as "e6." on the POST, spits a bunch ofG register dump info. up the screen so fast you can't write it down, then 1 resets itself and repeates the procedure forever.   H I know this has been brought up here before (probably should go into theE FAQ, huh?), but was unable to locate the fix, even by searching Deja.   8 Anyone have any info. that may help me un-hose this box?   David J. Dachtera    ------------------------------   Date: 22 May 2000 17:43:21 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)* Subject: Re: Alpha Firmware Update = Hosed6 Message-ID: <8gbrjp$r8n$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  I In article <39295C59.FE35AE42@fsi.net>, SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net> writes: > :...AlphaStation 200 4/233 to the SRM console, and now have an :unusable machine.  E   This doesn't initially look like it might need the failsafe loader, A   but that's around if the firmware should actually be scrozzled.    :...I :I have a machine that goes as far as "e6." on the POST, spits a bunch of H :register dump info. up the screen so fast you can't write it down, then2 :resets itself and repeates the procedure forever. :...  I   Exactly what I/O widgets are present in this box?  (eg: are all of the  J   PCI widgets present -- particularly the graphics widget -- supported by    SRM and by OpenVMS?)  I :I know this has been brought up here before (probably should go into the 0 :FAQ, huh?), but was unable to locate the fix...  %   Um, the fix depends on the problem.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:54:48 -0500 (CDT)  From: rmegee@tqtx.com @ Subject: Anyone got an example of lib$set_symbol in a c program?2 Message-ID: <200005221454.JAA12293@exwin.tqtx.com>  9 It seems to work but nothing show up outside the program.  here's what I did:   pass 1:  	char mysymbol[11];  	char symvalue[]="test"; 	long int status;  	. 	. 	., 	status = lib$set_symbol(mysymbol,symvalue);   pass 2:N, 	char insymbol[]="mysymbol";                 	char symvalue[]="test"; 	long int status;  	. 	. 	., 	status = lib$set_symbol(insymbol,symvalue); 	 + neither caused an error but neither worked.   
 any ideas?   Thanks,    Robert Megee   -- CO ===============================================================================nB               We are confronted with insurmountable opportunities.B                                              -- Walt Kelly, "Pogo"O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:18:57 -0400r+ From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com>hD Subject: Re: Anyone got an example of lib$set_symbol in a c program?1 Message-ID: <392917A1.3FE2D048@trailing-edge.com>t   rmegee@tqtx.com wrote: > ; > It seems to work but nothing show up outside the program.  > here's what I did: > 	 > pass 1:o >         char mysymbol[11];! >         char symvalue[]="test";  >         long int status; >         .  >         .  >         .o5 >         status = lib$set_symbol(mysymbol,symvalue);e > 	 > pass 2: % >         char insymbol[]="mysymbol";a! >         char symvalue[]="test";s >         long int status; >         .n >         .i >         .e5 >         status = lib$set_symbol(insymbol,symvalue);( > - > neither caused an error but neither worked.n >  > any ideas?  ; CLUE #1 (and this will be a big-time clue, I suspect): do a < $HELP RTL LIB$ LIB$SET_SYMBOL ARGUMENTS and you'll find that: both arguments are by descriptor.  What you're passing are8 null-terminated strings.  They are *not* the same thing.  # CLUE #2 : A little example program:   
 $type ss.c   #include <stdio.h> #include <ssdef.h> #include <libdef.h>I #include <iodef.h> #include <descrip.h> #include <starlet.h> #include <lib$routines.h>t #include <string.h>t #include <stdlib.h>o #include <ctype.h>   main(argc, argv)
 int     argc;f char    *argv[]; {X)        static char mysymbol[]="mysymbol"; %        static char symvalue[]="test";         int status;  ,        $DESCRIPTOR(mysymbol_desc, mysymbol);,        $DESCRIPTOR(symvalue_desc, symvalue);  ?         status = lib$set_symbol(&mysymbol_desc,&symvalue_desc); (         printf("status was %d", status);   }?   $ cc ss 	 $ link ssw $ run ss status was 1 $ show symb mysymbol   MYSYMBOL = "test"    -- tB  Tim Shoppa                        Email: shoppa@trailing-edge.comG  Trailing Edge Technology          WWW:   http://www.trailing-edge.com/e6  7328 Bradley Blvd                 Voice: 301-767-59176  Bethesda, MD, USA 20817           Fax:   301-767-5927   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 17:19:52 +0200r= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>hD Subject: Re: Anyone got an example of lib$set_symbol in a c program?) Message-ID: <39295018.E54DDAF5@gtech.com>e   rmegee@tqtx.com wrote:> ; > It seems to work but nothing show up outside the program.e > here's what I did: > 	 > pass 1:t >         char mysymbol[11];! >         char symvalue[]="test";n >         long int status; >         .i >         .n >         .i5 >         status = lib$set_symbol(mysymbol,symvalue);p > 	 > pass 2:s% >         char insymbol[]="mysymbol"; ! >         char symvalue[]="test";  >         long int status; >         .  >         .8 >         .N5 >         status = lib$set_symbol(insymbol,symvalue);r > - > neither caused an error but neither worked.-  : Are you saying that status contained 1 after the call ????  - My guess is that it contained an error-code !   < LIB$SET_SYMBOL (like all LIB$ routines) expect strings to be; passed by descriptors not as addresses of C zero-terminatedt strings.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:34:08 -0400(" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>D Subject: Re: Anyone got an example of lib$set_symbol in a c program?8 Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20000522112829.02025e10@24.8.96.48>  1 At 09:54 AM 5/22/00 -0500, rmegee@tqtx.com wrote: : >It seems to work but nothing show up outside the program. >here's what I did:-   [Code snipped]   > , >neither caused an error but neither worked.  K Well, no, of course not. You passed in pointers to C-style null-terminated tI character arrays. LIB$SET_SYMBOL (along with most of the rest of the VMS g> system service and library routines) takes string descriptors.  J There's a writeup on these in the Dec C User's Guide. It's hanging off of  the Dec C doc page oK (http://www.openvms.digital.com/commercial/c/index_alpha.htm) if you don't s have a paper copy handy.   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"------------------- 2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and even4;                                       teddy bears get drunkR   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:01:02 +00003- From: ezzaoudi med <m.ezzaoudi@digitem.co.ma>a' Subject: Re: AW: HELP Quorum in clusterr- Message-ID: <3929136E.645E63C6@digitem.co.ma>e   Thank you for your reponse.     "Uhlhorn, Anneliese" a =E9crit :  F > If the HSZ22 is configured at a shared SCSI then yes. A Nodes in a = clustero- > must see the Quorum disk on a physical way.  >- > Bye- >-% > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----05 > Von: ezzaoudi med [mailto:m.ezzaoudi@digitem.co.ma].) > Gesendet am: Montag, 22. Mai 2000 12:31f > An: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi! > Betreff: HELP Quorum in clustero >m > Hello F > Can I use a virtual disk ( one raid 5 unit controlled with HSZ22) a= s  > Quorum disk in a cluster > constitued with two nodes ?n$ > Thank you in advance for an answer > BYEa   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 08:22:39 -0600 (MDT)c) From: John Nebel <nebel@athena.csdco.com>a@ Subject: Can system or quorum disks be moved without a shutdown?G Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0005220755230.31133-100000@athena.csdco.com>u  J I'd like to move a system disk (VAX 7.1) used by a couple of machines fromH a pair of HSJs to a newer HSJ pair without a system shutdown, and at theH same time move the quorum disk used by those Vaxes and a few Alphas, one& of which is on the other end of a DS3.  / The older HSJs are being permanently shut down.N  E A possibility appeared to be to shut off the A and B paths on the old I HSJs, move the physical disks and define the devices and units on the new  HSJs.n  G This would not work if the new HSJs refused to create the units becauseoG they believed that the units still existed even though their controllerx had disappeared.  " Has anyone done this successfully?  H If not, just rebooting the two VAXes would be easier to tolerate than anJ entire cluster shutdown, so could the quorum disk be dismounted, its unit H number deleted, then moved, then the device and unit recreated, then theH disk remounted. The cluster does normally have quorum without the quorumB disk, however, I'm not sure whether the quorum disk watchers would	 restart. o  
 John Nebel   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:24:40 +0200 > From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>= Subject: DCL: how to get the name of the current subroutine ?=3 Message-ID: <8gb8rb$2jhm$1@s2.feed.news.oleane.net>u   Bonjour  tous !  B Is it possible to get the name of the DCL subroutine I'm executingI like f$environment("PROCEDURE") gives me the name of the main procedure ?w Any DCL hack available ?   Merci6 Jean-Franois Marchalw X9000 - LYON   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:50:55 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)sA Subject: Re: DCL: how to get the name of the current subroutine ?o0 Message-ID: <009EA75B.AFCF7C4E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  t In article <8gb8rb$2jhm$1@s2.feed.news.oleane.net>, "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> writes: >Bonjour  tous !d >oC >Is it possible to get the name of the DCL subroutine I'm executinglJ >like f$environment("PROCEDURE") gives me the name of the main procedure ? >Any DCL hack available ?3 >0 >Merci >Jean-Franois Marchal
 >X9000 - LYONe >j >j    ? http://www.tmesis.com/SYMBOL/using/PREVIOUS_PROCEDURE_NAME.COM;p  ' (This is "REAL" programming using DCL!)8  I It requires, however, SYMBOL V5.0 to obtain the values of several processtI P1 space locations as well as some DCL internal structure definitions.  I I suspect that you could "hardcode" these values too but their values couldeI change in the future making your DCL version dependent.  Fortunately, yourI need only P1 space information which is more or less fixed and the valuesrI can be had from the SYS$SYSTEM:SYS.MAP and SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$BASE_IMAGE.MAP. J You will also need the values of several DCL 'internals' which you can ob-9 tain from the .MAPs produced with the following commands::  I $ LINK/NOEXE/MAP=SYS$SYSTEM:/FULL SYS$SYSTEM:DCLDEF.STB             (VAX)sI $ LINK/NOEXE/MAP=SYS$SYSTEM:/FULL SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:DCLDEF.STB  (Alpha);   --N VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001           VAXman@TMESIS.COM  L GNU Freeware -- What does the GNU *really* stand for?  Garbage!  Not Usable!   ------------------------------   Date: 22 May 2000 15:32:21 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)A Subject: Re: DCL: how to get the name of the current subroutine ?a6 Message-ID: <8gbju5$oj5$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  t In article <8gb8rb$2jhm$1@s2.feed.news.oleane.net>, "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> writes: :Bonjour  tous !(  
   Willkommen,n  C :Is it possible to get the name of the DCL subroutine I'm executinglJ :like f$environment("PROCEDURE") gives me the name of the main procedure ? :Any DCL hack available ?   :   Nope.  (Well, not short of rummaging around inside DCL.)  D   There are various potential options or workarounds, including (of B   course) rummaging in the DCL data structures, passing around (or@   passing in) a variable that contains the information, and the C   procedure depth mechanism.  An eample of two of these techniques:t     $ WhereAmI = "main"a $ x = f$env("DEPTH"); $ write sys$output "main depth: ''x'; I am in: ''WhereAmI'"t
 $ call foo $ exit $  $ foo: subroutine  $ WhereAmI = "foo" $ x = f$env("DEPTH"): $ write sys$output "foo depth: ''x'; I am in: ''WhereAmI'" $ endsubroutineM    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:31:44 +0200 3 From: Matthias Koch <koch@bessel.mpip-mainz.mpg.de>a Subject: dtss hangsh8 Message-ID: <3928FE80.7B573132@bessel.mpip-mainz.mpg.de>   Hi!   F Recently I got an AlphaServer 1000A which I have to take care of. VeryA frequently it throws console messages like 'dtss, too few servers E detected', so I wanted to disable dtss with $mc ncl NCL>disa dtss. AteF this point the process hangs and only a Ctrl Y brings back the prompt.F The same happens while the shutdown procedure. It stops at the message 'shutting down DTSS'.a4 NCL>sho dtss produces an error like 'no such entity'G As I don't need the time service: Is there a possibility to disable thel, start of dtss (possibly in the ncl scripts)?   Bye, Matthias   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:08:58 +0200 5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl>o Subject: Re: dtss hangsp- Message-ID: <3928EB1A.57167838@whitehouse.nl>u   Matthias Koch wrote: >  > Hi!  > H > Recently I got an AlphaServer 1000A which I have to take care of. VeryC > frequently it throws console messages like 'dtss, too few serversaG > detected', so I wanted to disable dtss with $mc ncl NCL>disa dtss. AteH > this point the process hangs and only a Ctrl Y brings back the prompt.H > The same happens while the shutdown procedure. It stops at the message > 'shutting down DTSS'..  " I think there is a patch for this.  6 > NCL>sho dtss produces an error like 'no such entity'I > As I don't need the time service: Is there a possibility to disable thea. > start of dtss (possibly in the ncl scripts)?  E Just put a '$ exit' as the first line in sys$startup:dtss$startup.coms   Regards,   Oswald   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:59:42 GMTe* From: Art Rice <arice.NOcSPAM@ue.itug.org>+ Subject: Re: Gartner commentary on Wildfirew8 Message-ID: <ccliis0eqhrhv4b36a5c8j0p5u3j876o6e@4ax.com>  , On Fri, 19 May 2000 21:06:19 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:r   >Art Rice wrote:D >> At least "they" printed OpenVMS an equal number of times as Tru64 >aL >Yeah, but Capellas placed Himalaya at the centre of the internet during the@ >Wildfire unveiling and didn't really place wildfire on his map. >tJ >Since you seem to be from the Tandem side, I am curous as to what sort ofP >impact the Wildfire products have had on Tandem customers' opinions of Compaq ? >lF >Do Tandem customers have the same types of doubts as to the future ofL >Gardian/Himalaya as do VMS customers seriously doubt Compaq's commitment to >VMS ?  A Haven't heard any.  Of course, those of us using CLX and K-seriesdB Himalays are wondering about the life expectancy of those machines? since the S-series Himalays will be migrating to Alphas (a goodl migration actually.)    ? There are still many features of Guardian (oops, NSK) that most-E vendors have not even tried to duplicate because of the unique TandemaD architecture. Many have tried alternate methods to incorporate thoseB features in their products but end up with unstable/slow machines.E I don't forsee any problems yet.  Some customers have left Tandem foraE cheaper products.  Look up the definition of cheap.  You get what you E pay for.  The newer S-series machines are less expensive and that hasfF helped retain quite a few customers.  The OS is still out of reach forF all but the few who need the stability and features which keeps it out@ of reach of potential new (small) customers.   Also, no hobbiest" licensing, or emulators available.  C I have always been in agreement that Compaq has not marketed TandemlC and (especially) OpenVMS the way they should be.  That's my biggest  complaint.     -- f
 Art Rice   ** # Special Data Processing Corporation & --------------------------------------' All opinions expressed are mine and do w% not reflect the views of my employer.p   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 16:05:32 GMT * From: Art Rice <arice.NOcSPAM@ue.itug.org>+ Subject: Re: Gartner commentary on Wildfirea8 Message-ID: <i9miis89p089u08m63uhgh1btu6uvprm0a@4ax.com>  4 On Sat, 20 May 2000 14:57:37 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com> wrote:   >A; >"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in messagen' >news:3925E505.BB888F82@videotron.ca...9 >> Art Rice wrote:F >> > At least "they" printed OpenVMS an equal number of times as Tru64 >>J >> Yeah, but Capellas placed Himalaya at the centre of the internet during >theB >> Wildfire unveiling and didn't really place wildfire on his map. >wF >As well he should have, since CPQ's proposition is that NonStop stuff& >belongs at the heart of the Internet.B I thought that Compaq was trying to market some of the OpenVMS and+ Tru64 product line as NonStop "Stuff" also.   L >> Since you seem to be from the Tandem side, I am curous as to what sort ofI >> impact the Wildfire products have had on Tandem customers' opinions ofw	 >Compaq ?p >tK >Since WildFire doesn't run NSK, the announcement should have little directeL >impact on the Tandem base. Their interest is more likely to be in the Alpha? >chip, since the Himalaya line will get Alpha-betized in ~2003.-  = To my knowledge, only the S-series systems. (time to upgrade)H  H >> Do Tandem customers have the same types of doubts as to the future ofK >> Gardian/Himalaya as do VMS customers seriously doubt Compaq's commitment  >tom >> VMS ? >.G >Judging by year-over-year growth in Himalaya sales, and the recent S74eF >announcement, and growth in the ITUG user group base, apparently not. >tM >And it would appear that the serious doubt of CPQ's commitment to OpenVMS isb >not a universally-held belief.; >lC Agreed.  I believe that the (15yr?) commitment to the DII-COE is anlA automatic commitment to not only maintain OpenVMS but continuallya improve it."   --  
 Art Rice   **s# Special Data Processing Corporationb& --------------------------------------' All opinions expressed are mine and do d% not reflect the views of my employer.C   ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2000 12:07:40 +0100O From: pmoreau@dev.ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.64.40) : Subject: Re: gettimeofday() and usleep() for VMS pre-V7.0?  Message-ID: <RQOajg2oeLDU@sable>  B In article <00052017433314@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org writes:I >    Will anyone offer source for gettimeofday() and/or usleep() suitablepI > for pre-V7.0 VMS, or do I need to do actual work?  I was playing aroundeH > with a relatively recent version of CDrecord/mkisofs, and ran into the5 > CRTL deficiency when I went from V7.2 back to V6.2.t  F You can find them into XVMSUTILS kit (an old kit made with X11R4 decusG distribution) updated by Martin PJ Zinser. You'll find it into the DECW  archive:  2  http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/decw/xlibs.html   or    0  http://www2.cenaath.cena.dgac.fr/ftp/xlibs.html  2 BTW, a very useful set of Unix emulation routines.   Patrickh -- mO =============================================================================== O pmoreau@cena.dgac.fr  (CENA)     ______      ___   _           (Patrick MOREAU)d4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================>   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 02:43:41 -0700i? From: Mike Price <mike.priceNOmiSPAM@littlewoods.co.uk.invalid>  Subject: Hangs on HSZ70;9 Message-ID: <1840a2b9.8b843305@usw-ex0105-035.remarq.com>a  < We have an Alpha 4100 running VMS 7.1-2. The disks are on an? HSZ70 as 1 big stripe set and 3 other mirrored disks i.e. 4 VMSc9 disks in total. One of the mirrorsets is the system disk.e  @ We had SWCC running but I also use SET HO/SCSI to connect to the< disk and check them out. This enables me to have a batch job< running to keep an eye on the disk and link into our central& problem systems via the normal route..  ? At the end of last year we suffered  2 or 3 hangs where all the-@ HSZ70 disks went into host unavailable state. As one of these is@ the system disk this effectivly hung the whole system. The disks> seemed to be coming back available after a while but then went again soon after.o  @ The problem was analysed by Digital who changed a cable. As this> didn't seem to fix the problem I stopped the SWCC software and: forced myself to be less paranoid about checking the disks* myself as often. Since then - no problems.; However, I would like to start the SWCC stuff up again so I @ would like to know if anyone else has seen something like this -> or if anyone knows whether using SET HO/SCSI and SWCC together is a problem   Thanks in advancey   Mike  L * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *G The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:31:19 +0000 - From: ezzaoudi med <m.ezzaoudi@digitem.co.ma>- Subject: HELP Quorum in clustern- Message-ID: <39290C76.DB3C4468@digitem.co.ma>t   HelloiD Can I use a virtual disk ( one raid 5 unit controlled with HSZ22) as Quorum disk in a cluster constitued with two nodes ?o" Thank you in advance for an answer BYE    ------------------------------   Date: 22 May 2000 13:20:16 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)# Subject: Re: HELP Quorum in clustery6 Message-ID: <8gbc6g$lkk$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ] In article <39290C76.DB3C4468@digitem.co.ma>, ezzaoudi med <m.ezzaoudi@digitem.co.ma> writes:uE :Can I use a virtual disk ( one raid 5 unit controlled with HSZ22) asn5 :Quorum disk in a cluster constitued with two nodes ?e  H   If there is no way that the device can be split up and then presented G   to the two hosts in parallel, and if OpenVMS doesn't "know" that the tG   device is shadowed, and if the OpenVMS primitive disk device drivers  I   (the drivers used during the bootstrap) can access the contents of the  D   device, then I'd expect that the answer is "yes, you can do this".  J   If you have a controller-based SCSI RAID configuration with direct (and I   multi-host) connections, you can use the same disk for the system disk u   and for the quorum disk.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:14:04 GMTu1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>:# Subject: Re: HELP Quorum in cluster 2 Message-ID: <39294097.6D0AC288@clarityconnect.com>  G Yes you may as long as the 'virtual unit' is only managed by controllerfE based volume processing software (i.e. RAID, mirroring, etc.) and nottE managed by any host based volume processing software (i.e. host-basedc) RAID, host-based volume shadowing,  etc.)i   ezzaoudi med wrote:c >  > HelloeF > Can I use a virtual disk ( one raid 5 unit controlled with HSZ22) as > Quorum disk in a cluster > constitued with two nodes ? $ > Thank you in advance for an answer > BYEh   --  D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 16:02:43 +0000o- From: ezzaoudi med <m.ezzaoudi@digitem.co.ma>2# Subject: Re: HELP Quorum in clusterm- Message-ID: <39295A23.58F06F9D@digitem.co.ma>u   Thank you for your help.   Hoff Hoffman a =E9crit :  F > In article <39290C76.DB3C4468@digitem.co.ma>, ezzaoudi med <m.ezzao= udi@digitem.co.ma> writes:F > :Can I use a virtual disk ( one raid 5 unit controlled with HSZ22) = as7 > :Quorum disk in a cluster constitued with two nodes ?p >rF >   If there is no way that the device can be split up and then prese= ntedF >   to the two hosts in parallel, and if OpenVMS doesn't "know" that = therF >   device is shadowed, and if the OpenVMS primitive disk device driv= erseF >   (the drivers used during the bootstrap) can access the contents o= f theoF >   device, then I'd expect that the answer is "yes, you can do this"= .  >iF >   If you have a controller-based SCSI RAID configuration with direc= t (andF >   multi-host) connections, you can use the same disk for the system=  diskt >   and for the quorum disk. > F >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ----------------= -----------tF >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zk=	 o.dec.com-   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:52:44 GMTs From: choppper@my-deja.com; Subject: How to export contents of RMS file to .csv format?e) Message-ID: <8gbaip$qgi$1@nnrp1.deja.com>1  $ Please help - I'm getting desperate:  E Can anyone tell me how I would go about exporting the entire contentsiD of a large RMS file on VMS (OpenVMS 7.2)(about 150Mb) into a .csv or similar text file?  D I need to be able to do this as part of a data migration exercise...   Thanks in advance-   Chopper     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 16:11:00 +0200t= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>a? Subject: Re: How to export contents of RMS file to .csv format? ) Message-ID: <39293FF4.693713B7@gtech.com>h   choppper@my-deja.com wrote:G > Can anyone tell me how I would go about exporting the entire contentsxF > of a large RMS file on VMS (OpenVMS 7.2)(about 150Mb) into a .csv or > similar text file? > F > I need to be able to do this as part of a data migration exercise...   What kind of RMS file ?o   Sequential/index-sequential ?_   Printable/Binary data ?L   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:40:41 -0400s" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>? Subject: Re: How to export contents of RMS file to .csv format?p8 Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20000522103647.01f815a0@24.8.96.48>  6 At 12:52 PM 5/22/00 +0000, choppper@my-deja.com wrote:% >Please help - I'm getting desperate:l >1F >Can anyone tell me how I would go about exporting the entire contentsE >of a large RMS file on VMS (OpenVMS 7.2)(about 150Mb) into a .csv or  >similar text file?l > E >I need to be able to do this as part of a data migration exercise...c  D Reading through the individual records sequentially is trivial--for O example, the perl code to do it (Assuming perl 5.005 or later) would look like:D  E    open FILE, "the_file_name.extension" or die "Open failed, $!/$^E"; ;    $/ = \32767; # Set to record read mode, max rec size 32k-    while ($record = <FILE>) {a      chomp $record;t(      # Do something with the record here    }  J Actually splitting the records into fields requires knowing the structure J of each record. RMS doesn't do fields within a record--that's left to the  application.   					Dan  L ----------------------------------------------------------------------------L Dan Sugalski                          General and VMS-specific perl training
 dan@sidhe.orgl>                                       Mail me for more details   ------------------------------   Date: 22 May 2000 11:44:42 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)3 Subject: Re: I Don't want that cluster. What to do?i6 Message-ID: <8gb6ja$k2k$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  \ In article <3925E229.A45D5D5F@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:/ :I you wish to disable the clustering, you can:i : 
 :MC SYSGEN :USE CURRENT :SET VAXCLUSTER = 0l :WRITE CURRENT :On both nodes.   D   I would encourage the use of MODPARAMS and AUTOGEN, and not directE   access to SYSMAN or SYSGEN.  If the above command sequence is used oF   (and you don't also update MODPARAMS), you can/will see the cluster -   "return" the next time that AUTOGEN is run.o  0   Disabling NISCS_LOAD_PEA0 is also a good idea.  K :If you wish to retain all the wonders of a cluster, you also need to set ai. :different allocation class on each machine...  H :SET ALLOCLASS = 1  on one node and SET ALLOCLASS = 2 on the other node.  I   There are a couple of other wrinkles (read: other places where you will K   usually want to configure allocation class settings) on recent releases, hF   with port allocation classes, and on all OpenVMS releases with DSSI    and/or CI storage is present.e  N :This way, the cluster can differentiate between 2 drives with the same device :name in your cluster.  L   And more specifically, to differentiate devices with the same device unit 	   number.d  H :However, having 2 system disks does require a bit more work compared to3 :sharing a single system disk. (queue manager etc).i  J   Some files are still shared.  The queue manager database can be shared, %   or there can be multiple databases.   I   For additional information on splitting a cluster, see the OpenVMS Ask mJ   The Wizard area.  Search for topics with titles containing "divorce" or D   "splitting" as a start.  I'll look at adding this to the next FAQ.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 16:56:41 +0200e  From: marc.hinderickx@banksys.be Subject: Job opportunities; Message-ID: <FBD86325E818D311ADC10008C75B7A63016952D4@AZHA>.  K Banksys is one of the major account in Belgium. The back office is based onf a lot of Alpha/OpenVMS.sH We are looking to engage a system engineer with a practical knowledge of2 OpenVMS and layered products like SLS, Polycenter.I If you are interested, please send an Email with your curriculum vitae tol marc.hinderickx@banksys.be* Your offer will be treated confidentially.   Kind regards   Marc HINDERICKX2 Systems Manager - Operations Banksyse  ! Email: marc.hinderickx@banksys.be:   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:22:43 +020055 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl>0; Subject: Re: Limiting Decnet Phase IV access with VMS 7.1-2c- Message-ID: <3928E043.7FF579EA@whitehouse.nl>    "Zeni B. Schleter" wrote:4  aB > Surely I am missing something or not understanding the dynamics.  E The default access setting applies only to nonpriv'd accounts. If youaF have operator priv you can still create outgoing logical links. If theF account used for incoming links has the privilege then this will still
 work as well.p   Regards,   Oswald   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2000 10:52:22 -0500/ From: jlauret@?.chem.sunysb.edu (Jerome LAURET)qU Subject: Re: LINKING F90 programs leads to "multiply defined" and "undefined" CMA$TISs. Message-ID: <392949a6_2@dilbert.ic.sunysb.edu>  B In article <ti4biscpq3li4g8lu3tufqlchurtjv24sq@4ax.com> you write: [...]  |>C |>Did you, by any chance, upgrade VMS sometime after installing thefH |>Fortran kit?  Please try reinstalling the Fortran RTL (FORRTL) kit and  D 	No I did not. It is not the first time I am having problem with the3 FORtran compiler/RTL etc ... since the 7.2 upgrade.c  B 	But never mind, the re-installation of the FORtran RTL fixed the 	 problem. e  & 	Thanks again for your quick response,       -- L  P DEC AXPVMS FORRTL V7.3-1            Full LP     Install     22-MAY-2000 10:51:38P CPQ AXPVMS MOZILLA F5.0             Full LP     Install     14-MAY-2000 16:52:02P CPQ AXPVMS MOZILLA F5.0             Full LP     Install     14-MAY-2000 16:52:02P CPQ AXPVMS MOZILLA E5.0             Full LP     Remove      14-MAY-2000 16:52:02P CPQ AXPVMS MOZILLA E5.0             Full LP     Install     14-MAY-2000 16:41:54P CPQ AXPVMS MOZILLA E5.0             Full LP     Install     20-APR-2000 20:53:33P CPQ AXPVMS MOZILLA F5.0             Full LP     Remove      20-APR-2000 20:53:33P CPQ AXPVMS MOZILLA F5.0             Full LP     Install     20-APR-2000 20:40:17P CPQ AXPVMS MOZILLA E5.0             Full LP     Remove      20-APR-2000 20:40:17P CPQ AXPVMS MOZILLA E5.0             Full LP     Install     11-APR-2000 22:07:48P CPQ AXPVMS MOZILLA D5.0             Full LP     Remove      11-APR-2000 22:07:48P DEC AXPVMS VMS72_SYS V3.0           Patch       Install     11-APR-2000 20:41:58P DEC AXPVMS VMS72_TRACE V1.0         Patch       Install     04-APR-2000 00:02:43P DEC AXPVMS VMS72_PORTS V1.0         Patch       Install     04-APR-2000 00:01:14P DEC AXPVMS VMS72_SYS V2.0           Patch       Install     03-APR-2000 23:58:32P DEC AXPVMS FORTRAN V7.3-1           Full LP     Install     02-MAR-2000 13:55:45P DEC AXPVMS FORTRAN V7.1-1           Full LP     Remove      02-MAR-2000 13:55:45P DEC AXPVMS FORRTL V7.3-1            Full LP     Install     02-MAR-2000 13:40:01P DEC AXPVMS FORRTL V7.1-427          Full LP     Remove      02-MAR-2000 13:40:01 ..P DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.2             Platform    Install     24-FEB-2000 14:56:20    6                   Jerome LAURET S.U.N.Y. @ Stony Brook$        ,,,,,      Dept. of Chemistry+       ( o o )     Stony Brook NY 11794-3400F;   ---m---U---m---------------------------------------------c&   E-mail: jlauret@mail.chem.sunysb.edu<   URL   : http://nucwww.chem.sunysb.edu/jlauret/jlauret.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:43:20 +0100-, From: aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus)@ Subject: Re: LN15 printer setup: job remains in "starting" stateD Message-ID: <aus-2205000943200001@wvia21.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>  D In article <aus-1905001342450001@wvia21.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>,- aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus) wrote:d    3 OOps: replace "ln17" with the appropriate variable.    > Try placing  > 6 > $define/system/executive dcps$ln17_ansi_no_sync "1"  > " > in sys$startup:dcps$startup.com. > & > It's explained in the release notes. >  > -- ID > Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   -- lB Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:38:58 +0200a4 From: "Pathworks News" <Daniel.Grund@notformail.com>+ Subject: Re: Looking for PW API information 6 Message-ID: <8gb9os$l77$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  
 Hi Ruslan, What, do you want to do ?.L As far as the API calls, you'll get the same response from PATHWORKS as from Windows (at SMB level).>" Is this what you are looking for ? -- Daniel Grund   Compaq Customer Servicesn" Microsoft Certified Support Centre1 Pathworks/Advanced Server Expertise Centre Europed   The Netherlandsa? "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU> wrote in messagen* news:3927E8F8.BAFEF703@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU...	 > Hi All!cI > I looking for any information about of "PW API" which allow to performskJ > autentication against PW AS database to my own application. May be there, > exist some other way to fulfil this task ? >h > TIA. > --
 > Regards.H > +.....................pure personal opinion..........................+D >     Free & commercial software for ISP -> HTTP://WWW.RadiusVMS.COM. > Cel:+7 (901) 971-3222, Fax:+7 (812) 115-1035H > +............ Frying only on VMS, flying only by Su-27  .............+   ------------------------------   Date: 22 May 2000 15:53:49 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)+ Subject: Re: Looking for PW API information 6 Message-ID: <8gbl6d$p7e$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  g In article <3927E8F8.BAFEF703@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU>, "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU> writes:_I :	I looking for any information about of "PW API" which allow to performsaI :autentication against PW AS database to my own application. May be there=+ :exist some other way to fulfil this task ?-  8   PW API?  PATHWORKS (Advanced Server) server or client?  I   There is an authentication interface (ACME) latent in OpenVMS starting  H   in V7.1, but this API is deliberately not documented nor supported forI   customer access as we expect to be making some incompatible changes to r3   the ACME API as part of a future OpenVMS release.   ?   On the other hand, this could be a question of the Win32 API.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:17:18 +0200a% From: "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> > Subject: Re: MicroVAX 2000 VUPS ( was Re: VMS on the desktop?). Message-ID: <8gatuu$4ta$1@info.service.rug.nl>  6 "Carl Perkins" <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message =' news:19MAY200012402455@gerg.tamu.edu... # > tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk writes...sG > }So, out of interest, how many VUPS is the MicroVAX 2000 I discoveredmD > }under a heap of oither stuff when I relocated a server yesterday? > }--c9 > }Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project  >=20 > Roughly 0.9. >=20E > Yep - its slower than the much older 11/780 (but it is also small =  enoughG > to carry in one hand, instead of one forklift). As I recall, the only 6 > slower VAXes ever made were the 11/750 and 11/730=20   Don't forget the MicroVAX I.  J >                                                   - but the VAXstation = 2000I > (which was a microVAX 2000 with graphics) was effectively slower when =e inD > use as a workstation (rather then via terminal access) since the = graphics, > consumed a noticable amount of CPU cycles. >=20
 > --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:31:24 +0200r= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> > Subject: Re: MicroVAX 2000 VUPS ( was Re: VMS on the desktop?)) Message-ID: <39290C7B.B3C4C8F4@gtech.com>0   Tim Llewellyn wrote: > Arne Vajhj wrote: > > dls2 wrote:a0 > > > "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> wrote:D > > > > Local observations show that it seems to take 30 Pentium Mhz/ > > > > to equal 1 VUP.  Your mileage may vary.i > > >m > > > What is a VUP? > >e  > > VUP = Vax Unit of Processing > >o= > > It is a CPU speed benchmark scaled with a VAX 78 as 1.0 !  > >o > F > So, out of interest, how many VUPS is the MicroVAX 2000 I discoveredC > under a heap of oither stuff when I relocated a server yesterday?    0.9 I think.   Arne   ------------------------------  / Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:34:55 +0200 (MET DST)i& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>' Subject: Multi workplaces under OpenVMSt/ Message-ID: <200005220636.IAA01299@fom.fgan.de>u   Hello,  C is there any possibility to install more then one graphic workplace B within a Galaxy machine. It would be a very great feature, to haveA mutiple workstation within a box (one/instance or one/quadboard).o   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------   Date: 22 May 2000 13:13:45 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)+ Subject: Re: Multi workplaces under OpenVMSm6 Message-ID: <8gbbq9$lkk$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  X In article <200005220636.IAA01299@fom.fgan.de>, Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> writes:D :is there any possibility to install more then one graphic workplaceC :within a Galaxy machine. It would be a very great feature, to haveaB :mutiple workstation within a box (one/instance or one/quadboard).  ,   OpenVMS Galaxy has little do do with this.  A   Multi-headed DECwindows configurations are currently possible. r  J   Multi-seated configurations are not currently feasible, as there is (by I   definition) a need for multiple DECwindows input devices, and I am not iI   aware of any AlphaServer or AlphaStation system with multiple keyboard yI   and mouse connectors.  (It would not surprise me to learn that there iscH   a PCI card with these connectors available somewhere -- I am refering *   to the stock system configuration here.)  C   Systems with USB do have the potential to make this multi-seated cI   configuration possible, as you can potentially have multiple keyboards a!   and multiple mouse connections.o  F   There would likely be some software involved here, too -- DECwindowsG   is in fairly good shape for multi-seat, but it would not surprise me lI   to learn that the licensing software (for instance) would need updates lG   to account for this (hypothetical) multi-seated system configuration.e  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 22 May 2000 12:30:50 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman); Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummiesd6 Message-ID: <8gb99q$l1n$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Y In article <FuvCvA.Io5@world.std.com>, "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com> writes:i :f; :"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message-& :news:3925E572.3B2AC6F@videotron.ca... :> Tim Llewellyn wrote:=M :> > > It appears to be primarily marketing material. Very short on technicall :> > > content.- :> > >+ :> > > Marketing? VMS? Who would've though?a :> >A :> > Yup, and marketting it for the mgm's too, even more amazing.c :>I :> But it lacks a listing for the OSU WEB server, the best web server for1	 :> VMS...h  D   I don't know Terry Sherlock's specific reasoning here, but I quiteF   deliberately chose to be somewhat vague on the available web server C   products and options in the DCL book, as I knew that these would  G   change (product additions, changes, etc) faster than changes in some  F   of the underlying technologies (eg: DCL CGI remains similar, though >   a Netscape FastTrack migration to Apache is planned), and I H   particularly knew that these product-level changes would occur faster F   than I would be releasing updates to the DCL book.  (Keeping the FAQ&   current can be entertaining enough.)  E   (The book I am presently working on will contain a section on both uD   Apache and OSU, as the particular discussion is far more specific E   to the features and options of each.  Unfortunately, this will alsotA   mean that the information will be somewhat more quickly dated.)t  E :> It also seems to lack an entry for Office-Server which offers all yH :> sorts of access to email and documents over the net (POP, IMAP, WEB,  :> character cell etc).   D   As has been mentioned before on other topics, posting here can be C   quite entertaining and cathartic and generally useful, but it is 2D   also hit-or-miss when it comes to getting updates and feedback to    the right folks.  K :You might want to drop a note to Terry Sherlock at CPQ... chances are goodeI :that there will be a second edition, and if so, it's likely that changes  :will be incorporated.  K   Correct.  Terry Sherlock is quite good about reviewing and incorporating eH   the various changes and suggestions and feedback he receives.   (If he)   actually sees the feedback, of course.)n  :   Note: I'll pass the suggestions along to Terry Sherlock.  E   Note: I do not know if a second edition is currently (not) planned.e  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  / Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:31:15 +0200 (MET DST)s& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>5 Subject: OpenVMS the last OS without JAVA Script 1.2?-/ Message-ID: <200005220632.IAA01184@fom.fgan.de>-   Hello,  G AFAIK OpenVMS is the last OS without JAVA script 1.2. This is very bad,iD because we can't see our own home page (stored on a Sun), which usesF the rollover feature of JAVA script 1.2. Also, there is a problem withH Mozilla 15 JAVA based on version 1.3. This is (will) not available under) OpenVMS. Is there any acceptable roadmap?e   TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:49:36 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>t9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS the last OS without JAVA Script 1.2?T) Message-ID: <392910BF.F3F79A7B@gtech.com>n   Rudolf Wingert wrote:rI > AFAIK OpenVMS is the last OS without JAVA script 1.2. This is very bad, F > because we can't see our own home page (stored on a Sun), which uses* > the rollover feature of JAVA script 1.2.  * First Java and JavaScript is not the same.  / Java is a programming language invented by SUN.d  5 JavaScript is a script language invented by NetScape.s8 It was originally named LiveScript, but NS renamed it to ride on the Java wawe.  4 I assume you mean JDK 1.2.2 / Java 2 (never heard of versions of JavaScript).  6 JDK 1.2.2 is available for almost all platforms except VMS.  ) But it is in beta test and it looks good.a   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:42:14 GMTe/ From: "Tom Wade" <t.wade@vms.eurokom.ie.nospam>p$ Subject: Re: SKC's OpenVMS Viewpoint, Message-ID: <aHbW4.234$mq.16785@news.iol.ie>  @ Keith Brown wrote in message <3928779B.9A7070DC@usfamily.net>...  . >Great article Terry.  We need more like this.    C Agreed.  Anyone know who the "significant NT to VMS migration" is ?a  L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --A Tom Wade    | EMail: T.Wade@vms.eurokom.ie  (all domain mailers).cG EuroKom     | X400:  g=tom;s=wade;o=eurokom;p=eurokom;a=eirmail400;c=ie & 30, Dale Rd | Tel:   +353 (1) 278-7878& Stillorgan  | Fax:   +353 (1) 278-78793 Co Dublin   | Disclaimer:  This is not a disclaimer @ Ireland     | Tip:         "Friends don't let friends do Unix !"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:50:19 +0100n  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com$ Subject: Re: SKC's OpenVMS Viewpoint> Message-ID: <802568E7.00411722.01@qedilc01.qedi.quintiles.com>  E Great article.  Great plus points and good to see in a visible place.DG Only one problem - maybe the title should have been something more likehM "Compaq's OpenVMS - not an abbatoir ready cash cow".  The title seems to echoSH the fact that it is a cash cow which is the wrong idea from the article.  O (It's easy for me to say this though, since I didn't have to sit down and writesJ the article, nor did I have to get TheRegister to publish it.  It's always/ easier to be picky when you don't do the work.)d   Thanks for the article Terry.t   Steve.  ) (For those that haven't found it, it's atr0 http://www.theregister.co.uk/000521-000002.html)   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 16:13:44 GMT.0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com>$ Subject: Re: SKC's OpenVMS Viewpoint& Message-ID: <FuyyH1.IJz@world.std.com>  : "Tom Wade" <t.wade@vms.eurokom.ie.nospam> wrote in message& news:aHbW4.234$mq.16785@news.iol.ie... >cB > Keith Brown wrote in message <3928779B.9A7070DC@usfamily.net>... > 0 > >Great article Terry.  We need more like this. >g >gE > Agreed.  Anyone know who the "significant NT to VMS migration" is ?h >t  1 The VA (Veterans Adminstration) in the DC area...    cheers,-   terry s-   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:13:32 GMT.9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)d> Subject: Re: Software for Grownups (Was: Re: "Modern" OpenVMS)+ Message-ID: <ckLAjOqP5opn@eisner.decus.org>e  a In article <8ga829$8qu@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:dk > In article <MQJV4.18416$jZ3.264140@nuq-read.news.verio.net>, "Nikita V. Belenki" <kit@nospam.net> writes:d >>E >>As far as I know, there is no write() in the C language standard ;)O  D > Hmm, looks like its in the Unix emulation section of the compiler,J > and that POSIX, rather than ANSI C, may be the correct standard to refer > to.  r > J > If it's there solely to offer unix emulation, then that's an even better1 > reason for it to act like write() does on Unix.A  > In response to complaints about the dropping of Posix support,? the DEQ response seems to be that it is not needed because they2? are doing so much to support Posix calls in the C RTL. It wouldo? seem this would be an area where they would be quite responsive / to a formal complaint through support channels.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:23:06 GMT:, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)> Subject: Re: Software for Grownups (Was: Re: "Modern" OpenVMS)+ Message-ID: <Z7hfLZqxqP8o@eisner.decus.org>0  \ In article <3925EEA2.5FAAFE51@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:  K > I woudl only accept to work on such critical software if I were sure that K > there would be a process of quality control that would catch any errors I: > would make.   ; There are.  You might even get caught posting "woudl".  8-)4  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationt= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil Group E  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replying-   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:33:36 GMTR From: shsigy@glasspipes.com + Subject: super thick inside out pipes  7918S5 Message-ID: <krcW4.26005$t02.587042@news.pacbell.net>R  F for the best prices on the sweetest pyrex pipes and glass art, please
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S1 please excuse if I posted this in the wrong group0 zgdqbsbfusqybiyuhstrhzedjyzs   ------------------------------   Date: 22 May 2000 11:53:11 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman): Subject: Re: Tape Data Recovery (was Re: Need urgent help)6 Message-ID: <8gb737$k2k$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  e In article <3926954E.BEBA9356@netscapeonline.co.uk>, mpatt644 <mpatt644@netscapeonline.co.uk> writes:a@ :I think TAPE_DUMP which is on the VMS freeware CD will do this.     Probably not, but try it.e   :"Uhlhorn, Anneliese" wrote:  F   *Please* pick a relevent subject line.  Generic titles won't attractJ   the attention of the folks that might know the answer nearly as quickly J   nor nearly as well as a title specific to and relevent to the question. I   (Many folks asking questions here probably view the question as urgent.eJ   Few of the readers might know that a particular urgent question was one H   of tape data recovery.)  No offense is intended -- just trying to showI   you how you can get an answer to your question, and to potentially get W   an answer more quickly..  J   If this is truely an urgent problem, please contact the Compaq Customer )   Support Center directly for assistance.i  L :> Is ist possible, to get information on restoring a tape overwriten by VMS$ :> (only data after End-oftape mark)A :> Are there tools to read TZ87 tapes ignoring end-of tape marks?P  7   Somebody wrote an EOT where they should not have, eh?m  E   The firmware used in various tape drives cannot and will not permitlD   tape positioning past the EOT marker.  A data recovery service canG   be (and often is) required to recover from errant tape initializationaI   operations -- somebody that has special firmware loaded into the drive.2  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  " Date: Mon, 22 May 00 15:56:50 +100 From: rok@nuk.uni-lj.si : Subject: Re: Tape Data Recovery (was Re: Need urgent help)& Message-ID: <392958c7.0@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si>  5 In Article <8gb737$k2k$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>C4 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: .. .. ..8 >  Somebody wrote an EOT where they should not have, eh? > F >  The firmware used in various tape drives cannot and will not permitE >  tape positioning past the EOT marker.  A data recovery service canPH >  be (and often is) required to recover from errant tape initializationJ >  operations -- somebody that has special firmware loaded into the drive.  ?  I found tape units, where capstan was accessible to my figers b> *extremely* useful. To the degree I would find useful a button( on the unit itself labeled skip pas EOT.C  Oh well, such units are long gone and the button did not come yet. A  So, I usually skipped to EOT, collapsed the vacuum and stuck BOThD reflective mark at that psition - I removed the original afterwards,@ (I had to play with the ONLINE button several times) and, viola,+ someone else's data was accessible again :)i   Regards,  @ Rok Vidmar                       Internet:  rok.vidmar@uni-lj.si< National and University Library  Phone:     +386 61 121 5461< Turjaska 1, SI-1000 Ljubljana    Fax:       +386 61 125 7293 Slovenia   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:29:53 +0200d= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>,& Subject: Re: the latest billybox virus) Message-ID: <39290C21.FFE66C1A@gtech.com>M   jlsue wrote:1 > On Wed, 17 May 2000 15:18:03 +0200, Arne Vajhju! > <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote:r< > >Not all users are logged in. In theese client/server days@ > >it is often only the system manager that logs in. Other users > >useL > >browser/PathWorks/Windoes-email-client/windows-special-client-application! > >etc. to access the VMS system.c > F > Possibly, but most of the ways that users/applications would use VMSG > authentication (which would require entries in SYSUAF and RIGHTSLIST) @ > would result in some process on the system running under their6 > username.  If not SHOW USERS, then SHOW SYSTEM/FULL.  ; AFAIK none of the clients I mentioned will create a processo, running under the usernames being validated.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:42:35 +0200c= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>  Subject: Re: undeleted utillity ) Message-ID: <39290F1B.9658C909@gtech.com>    "Su, Guobao" wrote:aL > I have a problem. I accidently deleted a file in OpenVMS system. How can I > get it back?  @ The chances that you will be able to undelete is very very small> unless you immediatetly stopped all disk activity on the disk.  9 But if you want to try, then get the FLORIAN utility from 
 FTP.WKU.EDU !    Arne   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:29:37 -0400 (EDT) 4 From: Farzad Eskandari <eskandar@civil.sharif.ac.ir>, Subject: Using both uppercase and lowercase!4 Message-ID: <009EA769.79BFC7E0.8@civil.sharif.ac.ir>      Salute to Info-VaxnE   You may already saw that when you want to log into your account youAF are prompted for "Username:" here as you see "Username" is printed in > lowercase but when you type your name it appears in uppercase!F Does anyone know how to simulate this situation in a command procedure under vax/vms 5.5?                        Thank you %                                Farzadi   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:04:02 +02000> From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>0 Subject: Re: Using both uppercase and lowercase!3 Message-ID: <8gapim$29dr$1@s2.feed.news.oleane.net>t  G Since version 7.0 (?) the username is echoed with the case you typed itr   Jean-Franois Marchaln X9000   A "Farzad Eskandari" <eskandar@civil.sharif.ac.ir> wrote in messagem. news:009EA769.79BFC7E0.8@civil.sharif.ac.ir... >    Salute to Info-VaxaG >   You may already saw that when you want to log into your account you>G > are prompted for "Username:" here as you see "Username" is printed ino@ > lowercase but when you type your name it appears in uppercase!H > Does anyone know how to simulate this situation in a command procedure > under vax/vms 5.5?! >                       Thank youe' >                                Farzad  >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:44:05 +0200a= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>o0 Subject: Re: Using both uppercase and lowercase!) Message-ID: <39290F75.59E360B7@gtech.com>v   Farzad Eskandari wrote:r >    Salute to Info-VaxlG >   You may already saw that when you want to log into your account youwG > are prompted for "Username:" here as you see "Username" is printed inn@ > lowercase but when you type your name it appears in uppercase!H > Does anyone know how to simulate this situation in a command procedure > under vax/vms 5.5?  1 The login-prompt is not written in DCL ... !  :-)   9 But maybe $ SET TERMINAL/UPPERCASE will do what you want.    Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 22 May 2000 13:06:20 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)0 Subject: Re: Using both uppercase and lowercase!6 Message-ID: <8gbbcc$lkk$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  k In article <009EA769.79BFC7E0.8@civil.sharif.ac.ir>, Farzad Eskandari <eskandar@civil.sharif.ac.ir> writes:nF :  You may already saw that when you want to log into your account youG :are prompted for "Username:" here as you see "Username" is printed in a? :lowercase but when you type your name it appears in uppercase!   C   OpenVMS V7.1 and later accept (and can use) mixed case usernames.m  F   And as was mentioned elsewhere, LOGINOUT is not written DCL, and it C   accordingly has access to OpenVMS functions that DCL programmers m	   do not.   G :Does anyone know how to simulate this situation in a command procedure5 :under vax/vms 5.5?n  E   What, exactly, do you really want to do here?  (A problem statementt3   and/or a short DCL example would be useful here.)t  F   Do you want the user input via the READ command or (less desirably) D   via the INQUIRE command displayed in upcase when entered?  (As wasC   mentioned elsewhere, you can force user input into upcase via the>E   DCL command SET TERMINAL.  This is not something I recommend doing,tE   as you will want to code your DCL to reset this attribute on all ofb   the possible exit paths.)o  C   Or do you want to upcase the input for comparision via, say, the i/   UPCASE option in the f$edit lexical function?   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 22 May 2000 15:11:29 GMT. From: Allan Hawdon <udaa460@axolotl.kcl.ac.uk>0 Subject: Re: Using both uppercase and lowercase!. Message-ID: <8gbin1$sfv$1@willow.cc.kcl.ac.uk>  3 Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote:u  m : In article <009EA769.79BFC7E0.8@civil.sharif.ac.ir>, Farzad Eskandari <eskandar@civil.sharif.ac.ir> writes:eH : :  You may already saw that when you want to log into your account youI : :are prompted for "Username:" here as you see "Username" is printed in  A : :lowercase but when you type your name it appears in uppercase!a  E :   OpenVMS V7.1 and later accept (and can use) mixed case usernames.t  H :   And as was mentioned elsewhere, LOGINOUT is not written DCL, and it E :   accordingly has access to OpenVMS functions that DCL programmers d :   do not.h  I : :Does anyone know how to simulate this situation in a command procedurec : :under vax/vms 5.5?   G :   What, exactly, do you really want to do here?  (A problem statement 5 :   and/or a short DCL example would be useful here.)   I A login simulating password grabber as so beloved of students back in then
 '80s perhaps?h   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2000 10:38:00 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>n  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?H Message-ID: <y4og5z9dzr.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ) Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi> writes:h  J > It's sad, but we need Microsoft stuff. For example some documents is www% > are only in Microsoft file formats.   I I do hope that one of the remedies in the current anti-trust case againstcL Microsoft will result in them having to publish their file formats properly.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:36:58 +01001  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?> Message-ID: <802568E7.00455B17.01@qedilc01.qedi.quintiles.com>   Hoff commented: I >>>  I've always been puzzled by the decision to put the make-big and thelG   make-small buttons right next to the make-it-go-away button.  I can't G   count the number of times I've blown away an application by virtue of0!   a "near miss" on these buttons.8  A   Me?  I'd much rather keep the original X style guide around.<<<e  K And I thought that I was the only one with near-miss-itus on these buttons.  I'll second Hoff on this one.I   Steve.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:27:30 GMTc* From: Art Rice <arice.NOcSPAM@ue.itug.org>  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?8 Message-ID: <m8kiisskspagplnrsv38tknfpomaefj4ok@4ax.com>  @ On 19 May 2000 21:12:38 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote:i   >n* >On Fri, 19 May 2000, Tim Llewellyn wrote:L >: The only thing worth copying from windows is possibly the UI style guide. >uG >  I've always been puzzled by the decision to put the make-big and the I >  make-small buttons right next to the make-it-go-away button.  I can't tI >  count the number of times I've blown away an application by virtue of e$ >  a "near miss" on these buttons.   >T? >  Me?  I'd much rather keep the original X style guide around.V >VO > --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------sM >   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   F Because the Windows 2.x and 3.x  Maximize button used to be on the farC right where the exit button is now.     Took a while to get used to- that.-   -- -
 Art Rice   **a# Special Data Processing Corporation & --------------------------------------' All opinions expressed are mine and do i% not reflect the views of my employer.5   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 17:19:33 +0100a- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>   Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?) Message-ID: <39295E15.B13A0DAB@bbc.co.uk>-   Art Rice wrote:,  B > On 19 May 2000 21:12:38 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff > Hoffman) wrote:S >e > >t, > >On Fri, 19 May 2000, Tim Llewellyn wrote:N > >: The only thing worth copying from windows is possibly the UI style guide. > >pI > >  I've always been puzzled by the decision to put the make-big and thelJ > >  make-small buttons right next to the make-it-go-away button.  I can'tJ > >  count the number of times I've blown away an application by virtue of$ > >  a "near miss" on these buttons. > >uA > >  Me?  I'd much rather keep the original X style guide around.d  D Yes, but if there was an option for a Windows style UI it might help, those coming from a Windows only background.   I di like Motif, honest.  I >  Because the Windows 2.x and 3.x  Maximize button used to be on the farkE > right where the exit button is now.     Took a while to get used to  > that.1  M Me, I'm still getting used to hitting Caps lock when I mean control, and vices versa.  Q Tim, who rescued a real pucker VT420 (not the Wyse 60 clones that are mostly whatiR we get around here) the other day and was back in late 80's LK401 heaven again for a short while.    --86 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukh  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:56:17 +0000i/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>:% Subject: re: Voluntary Milking Systemo6 Message-ID: <009EA76D.333A2CE9.2@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>  L > Our local Tandy (Radio Shack) shop has a sign on the door proclaiming "VAX > serviced here".r. > I understand it is a type of vacuum cleaner. > Phil   It is. t  G Vax Vacuum Cleaners have been in business since before the VAX computerhG and possibly since before Digital. Since there's no sane likelyhood of  E confusion between a vacuum cleaner and a computer, there was no legalr9 difficulty with Digital and Vax using the same tradename.r  D Both companies knew of each other; VAX vacuums at one point bought aI VAX computer, to the delight of the UK trade press. They also launched a  F machine called a miniVAX at about the same time that DEC launched the I microVAX -- I don't know if this was pure accident or deliberate humour. PC At about the same time DEC replaced the "blue wall" manuals with antC "orange wall", just about the same orange that was and still is the % hallmark of VAX vacuums. Coincidence?-   	Yours,e
 		Nigel Arnot0- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                   g  7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.":   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:26:00 GMTt, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)- Subject: Re: Which is the language of VAX/VMS + Message-ID: <rjWm4FkviOad@eisner.decus.org>f  j In article <IIlV4.1860$Sk1.103995@wagner.videotron.net>, "Sylvain Tremblay" <syltrem@videotron.ca> writes:4 > Is Unix a language? Is it a REAL operating system?  . UNIX is the only virus with a human interface.  ! (From the UNIX Hater's Handbook).-  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences CorporationF= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GroupyE  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replying3   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:04:06 +0100 B From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>" Subject: Re: Wildfire Announcement* Message-ID: <39293046.5C1F06ED@uk.sun.com>   Bob Kaplow wrote:l  o > In article <3921725A.86779C78@merlin.arc.nasa.gov>, "Arthur E. Ragosta" <ragosta@merlin.arc.nasa.gov> writes:-  > > It's finally on the website! > >:K > > Although you would think that they would know better by now (based upon 
 > > all ofL > > the grousing in this forum) to not introduce their latest machines with: > >>L > > "The new Alphaserver GS80 is the industry's fastest RISC Unix server..." > >eG > > It does mention that it runs VMS at the bottom of the page... Geez.D > >  > > Prices!  I need prices!! > > I > > Can anyone who attended/listened to the announcement tell me what thel	 > > entryi > > price is for the GS80. > >e > > thanks.f >sI > I must say I was overall disappointed at the announcement. Gon't get meiK > wrong, I'm excited about WildFire, and my employer is one of the 237 withsL > orders already in, with delivery next month. But the two hour announcementI > was remarkably "content free" IMHO. The technical content wasjust aboutfN > ZERO. If I hadn't known about Wildfire for over 2.5 years now, read "ShannonJ > Knows Compaq", and picked up other tidbits over the past couple years, IH > certainly wouldn't have learned anything about what exactly the new GS" > series is from the announcement.  @ The fact that Compaq managed to launch Wildfire at all given theA number of false starts should have been a cause of much relief too the OpenVMS community.  2 The nature of the announcement was another matter.  2 Compaq launched with statements like the industrys9 fastest RISC server, sadly they presented no or virtuallye% no information to back this claim up.t  7 Of course they trotted out the time worn SPECint SPECfpo8 mantra so beloved of Digital marketing but then followed! through with almost nothing else.e  9 They included two applications benchmarks SAP/SD two tiern and Oracle applications.  : The SAP SD result showed the GS320 with the fastest result> without including Fujitsu's faster number (naughty naughty) or8 did Compaq simply forget the Fujitsu result in the rush.  9 The Oracle applications result was compared with the onlyl< other Oracle applications results to have been published and< to be honest if I was Compaq I would have pulled the number.  5 When you look at the configurations you will see why:r  ? Compaq used a three tier system with 24 servers of which 3 weredC mid tier GS140's and 1 was a GS320 (32 CPU's and 128 GB)this hostedn2 and Oracle 8.1.6 database using 288 disk spindles.  : The two "competitive" results were two tier with 2 servers9 (IBM H70 and Sun E450 each with 4 CPU's) both the Sun andr5 the IBM used Oracle 8.0.5 and neither system used anye3 mid tier servers, the IBM used 32 disks the Sun 16.   ? Sadly for Compaq the GS320 number wasn't great. Under 9x fastere< but using 16 x the CPU performance based on SPECrate_int, 32: times the memory and 18 times the disk. This was also with6 much worse response (2x)  times from the GS320 system.  E And all this is before you factor in the advantage Compaq should havet7 gained by using a much newer version of Oracle (15% +).l  > You may not necessarely agree with all of this but what should@ cause you a lot of dismay is the fact that I found it so easy to4 pull holes in Compaqs performance leadership cliams.  ; You should also be dismayed because Compaq have followed in C Digitals footsteps and shouted the SPECint mantra from the rooftops0B without producing the benchmark results that cost money to run but% which matter to commercial customers.s       Regards3 Andrew Harrisong Enterprise IT Architect:   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 17:06:17 GMTc* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)" Subject: Re: Wildfire Announcement+ Message-ID: <LBU66PV5fOqp@eisner.decus.org>s  o In article <39293046.5C1F06ED@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:a > Bob Kaplow wrote:c   >  > B > The fact that Compaq managed to launch Wildfire at all given theC > number of false starts should have been a cause of much relief toT > the OpenVMS community. > 4 > The nature of the announcement was another matter. > 4 > Compaq launched with statements like the industrys; > fastest RISC server, sadly they presented no or virtually ' > no information to back this claim up.  > 9 > Of course they trotted out the time worn SPECint SPECfp3: > mantra so beloved of Digital marketing but then followed# > through with almost nothing else.u > ; > They included two applications benchmarks SAP/SD two tiera > and Oracle applications. > < > The SAP SD result showed the GS320 with the fastest result@ > without including Fujitsu's faster number (naughty naughty) or: > did Compaq simply forget the Fujitsu result in the rush. >   ; 	I noticed that too Andrew but kept my lips zipped.  Orallyi@ 	it was presented by mentioning "UE10000" so that is technically& 	correct.  Haven't seen hard-copy yet.  ; > The Oracle applications result was compared with the only>> > other Oracle applications results to have been published and> > to be honest if I was Compaq I would have pulled the number. > 7 > When you look at the configurations you will see why:o > A > Compaq used a three tier system with 24 servers of which 3 wereiE > mid tier GS140's and 1 was a GS320 (32 CPU's and 128 GB)this hosted!4 > and Oracle 8.1.6 database using 288 disk spindles. > < > The two "competitive" results were two tier with 2 servers; > (IBM H70 and Sun E450 each with 4 CPU's) both the Sun and-7 > the IBM used Oracle 8.0.5 and neither system used any05 > mid tier servers, the IBM used 32 disks the Sun 16.l > A > Sadly for Compaq the GS320 number wasn't great. Under 9x fasterD> > but using 16 x the CPU performance based on SPECrate_int, 32< > times the memory and 18 times the disk. This was also with8 > much worse response (2x)  times from the GS320 system. >   % 	Faster CPU will help here of course.0  G > And all this is before you factor in the advantage Compaq should have 9 > gained by using a much newer version of Oracle (15% +).  > @ > You may not necessarely agree with all of this but what shouldB > cause you a lot of dismay is the fact that I found it so easy to6 > pull holes in Compaqs performance leadership cliams. >   : 	No.. you did a very good job jabbing at a few weaknesses.  @ 	I suspect the tpmC will settle you down a bit... Compaq's legit? 	claim at rollout is: "twice the performance for half the price08 	of Sun UE10000".  Now I will grant you this... they may9 	have to be a bit creative to justify that claim but does! 	make for good marketing :-)  7 	One other benchmark that they will really shine at is:I  * http://www.tpc.org/new_result/h-ttperf.idc  7 	I mean after all.. if you stick 256 GByte of memory ins> 	a box a 300 GByte database oughta hum right along handn't it?  ? 	With that said, I don't know if they have 256 GB in the config = 	but for a "high-end" result that would certainly make sense.n     				Rob.  = > You should also be dismayed because Compaq have followed inaE > Digitals footsteps and shouted the SPECint mantra from the rooftops-D > without producing the benchmark results that cost money to run but' > which matter to commercial customers.u >    	Huh?i  < 	Very much available.  Maybe they aren't high enough to brag 	about?h  9 http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/gs320/gs320_spec95.htmlf   	I think they are...    7 	Where is Sun's Spec 2000?  Compaq's can be found here:s  V http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/download/alphaserver_gs_benchmark_performance_v2.pdf  6 	If you look at what Sun does with 64 processors under* 	Specrate_int95 and Specrate_fp95 you see:  O Specrate_int95                                            CPUs       peak  basewN Sun Microsystems  Sun Enterprise 10000                     64        9181 7095N Specrate_fp95                                            CPUs       peak  baseO Sun Microsystems  Sun Enterprise 10000                     64       11908 10294   C What's not to love about the GS320 at specint_rate95 of >10000 and t specint_rate95 of 16000 ???e  9 	What's your point?  I don't understand what you mean by:t  E > Digitals footsteps and shouted the SPECint mantra from the rooftops D > without producing the benchmark results that cost money to run but' > which matter to commercial customers.o >   = 	They have produced them.  Are you disappointed that 32 Alphay: 	CPUs didn't do better than 64 Sparc CPUs in integer rate?   				Rob    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 17:19:45 GMTi* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)" Subject: Re: Wildfire Announcement+ Message-ID: <IXoxFtY9jwWN@eisner.decus.org>-  X In article <LBU66PV5fOqp@eisner.decus.org>, young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes:q > In article <39293046.5C1F06ED@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:t  ; > 	What's your point?  I don't understand what you mean by:  > F >> Digitals footsteps and shouted the SPECint mantra from the rooftopsE >> without producing the benchmark results that cost money to run buth( >> which matter to commercial customers. >> h > ? > 	They have produced them.  Are you disappointed that 32 Alphal< > 	CPUs didn't do better than 64 Sparc CPUs in integer rate? >    	Ummm make that:  = 	They have produced them.  Are you disappointed that 32 Alphar? 	CPUs didn't do MUCH better than 64 Sparc CPUs in integer rate?e   				Robe   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 17:50:16 +0100 B From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>" Subject: Re: Wildfire Announcement* Message-ID: <39296548.1FE991FA@uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote:  Z > In article <LBU66PV5fOqp@eisner.decus.org>, young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes:s > > In article <39293046.5C1F06ED@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:e >eB > >       What's your point?  I don't understand what you mean by: > >-H > >> Digitals footsteps and shouted the SPECint mantra from the rooftopsG > >> without producing the benchmark results that cost money to run but * > >> which matter to commercial customers. > >> > >hF > >       They have produced them.  Are you disappointed that 32 AlphaC > >       CPUs didn't do better than 64 Sparc CPUs in integer rate?  > >  >y >         Ummm make that:  > F >         They have produced them.  Are you disappointed that 32 AlphaH >         CPUs didn't do MUCH better than 64 Sparc CPUs in integer rate? >l% >                                 Rob-  C No that isn't the point. Lets face it Alpha boxes have always giventB "great SPECint" particularly on an indevidual CPU basis. They have@ also been pretty terrible at translating that CPU only benchmarkA performance into actual commercial workload performance. The ES40l= DS20 TPC results for example show Compaq appearing to require.< 30% more CPU resource than their competition to get the same? throughput and these are only recent examples in a long historye, of good SPECint poor application throughput.  ? So thats why it's sad that Compaq keep trotting out the SPECint-< dog and pony show, commercial customers generally don't care= about SPECint performance, they are more likely to care about = application performance and Compaq havn't shown any benchmark 9 results for the GS320 except for SAP and they included anpA 2 year old Sun result on an old box running a different benchmarkm? (really good comparison) and forgot to include a Fujitsu result1 that was better than theirs.  ? It is also true that SPECint/fp is relatively inexpensive while : 3 tier SAP, TPC-C etc are much more expensive to run. This9 however does not explain why Compaq chose to announce the ; GS machines while making claims for the systems performancen that have no backup.  A This lack of real benchmark results to back up performance claimst? is par for the course, it was exactly what Digital did with thed@ origional Alpha servers and wasn't that a great sucess. Remember8 the 64bit DBMS marketing with not one relative benchmark8 to back up the performance claims made for 64bit DBMS's.  K Nothing appears to have changed. I said in a much earlier post prior to therF WildFire announcement that Compaq need to show much more than marginalL performance leads between themselves and other platforms to get customers toH put them back on their bid lists and they can only do this by publishingK world class "relevant" benchmark results. Publishing SPECint/fp results has L almost no relevance to the target market that Compaq must make inroads in ifI the Alpha is going to survive. Have you ever seen a SPECint/fp number for D a S390 or a HDS box, would it suprise you to know that HP have neverL bothered publishing SPECint/fp/rate_int/rate_fp numbers for the V2500/V2600.     Regards: Andrew Harrisonh Enterprise IT Architectn   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:12:01 GMT , From: DRHarrold@earthlink.net (Dave Harrold)F Subject: Re: Wildfire Announcement: Michael Capellas, can you say VMS?2 Message-ID: <39293fe9.81233417@news.earthlink.net>  4 On Thu, 18 May 2000 20:14:30 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com> wrote:   >tL >But there is some Good News. I will write it up and post it on the acersoftL >site. In short, we can expect Really Good Stuff from the OpenVMS Group Real
 >Soon Now! >l >cheers, >n >terry s% >OpenVMS Ambassador Without Portfolioi >b >o   Heard this before......   D I kept being told that Good Things(tm) were coming for AlphaNT after4 the Compaq buy-out.  I'm still waiting for them.....   Dave Harrold   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:41:16 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>t* Subject: Re: Windows 98 Vs. Windows NT 4.0( Message-ID: <39290ECC.82068D2@gtech.com>   "Michael D. Ober" wrote:N > Please post this in comp.os.ms-windows.speculation newsgroup.  This group is > rabidly anit-MS.  " Yep. And we are proud of it !  :-)  J > The basic answer is that anti is basically MS-DOS with a new shell and aM > semi-multitasking, semi-protected core.  NT is a 32-bit OS that contains no6G > DOS code in it.  The functional difference is that all the crappy DOS:L > software that writes directly to hardware will run on Win9x, but won't runJ > on NT.  The basic impact is that Games won't run on NT, but that NT is a > whole lot stabler than 9x.   ????  H It is my impression that 5 years ago games were indeed DOS programs, but? that today games are wrtitten for Windows98 using ActiveX etc..o  J >                            Note that Windows 2000 is finally approaching0 > the stability needed to run in the enterprise.  D According to Microsoft itself average uptime for NT 4.0 was 4.5 days and 2K has 90 days.   C I wil leave it to everyone to decide for themself whether a 90 daysd3 average uptime is good enough for their enterprise.    Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:41:27 GMT-4 From: "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam>* Subject: Re: Windows 98 Vs. Windows NT 4.0E Message-ID: <bOaW4.14385$S31.395033@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>e  7 "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in message." news:39290ECC.82068D2@gtech.com... > "Michael D. Ober" wrote:G > > Please post this in comp.os.ms-windows.speculation newsgroup.  Thish group is > > rabidly anit-MS. >-$ > Yep. And we are proud of it !  :-)  J Point to the original poster was that this is definitely not the newsgroup! to get answers about MS products.g   > L > > The basic answer is that anti is basically MS-DOS with a new shell and aL > > semi-multitasking, semi-protected core.  NT is a 32-bit OS that contains noI > > DOS code in it.  The functional difference is that all the crappy DOS J > > software that writes directly to hardware will run on Win9x, but won't run-L > > on NT.  The basic impact is that Games won't run on NT, but that NT is a > > whole lot stabler than 9x. >e > ???? >sJ > It is my impression that 5 years ago games were indeed DOS programs, butA > that today games are wrtitten for Windows98 using ActiveX etc..-  I The game developers have written their own ActiveX components to directly K access the hardware without going through an OS level device driver.  Thus,eH the games are still directly manipulating hardware, which is a big no-no& under any protected OS, including VMS.   > L > >                            Note that Windows 2000 is finally approaching2 > > the stability needed to run in the enterprise. > F > According to Microsoft itself average uptime for NT 4.0 was 4.5 days > and 2K has 90 days.i >oE > I wil leave it to everyone to decide for themself whether a 90 dayss5 > average uptime is good enough for their enterprise.  >d  @ Then explain why Compaq, HP, and a couple of other companies areK guaranteeing no more than 5-10 minutes of annual downtime with Windows 2000tJ Server?  I'd call that enterprise under any definition.  Remember, if someJ of the PC companies that have shipped Windows had shipped VMS instead, VMSJ would only have about 30 days of uptime between crashes simply because theH underlying hardware was complete garbage.  The hardware platform must beH rock stable to guarantee uptime, for any OS.  Starting with the originalI release of NT 3.1, I have crashed a total of 6 times - 3 with NT 3.1, andfK one each with NT 3.5, NT 3.51, and NT 4, and none so far with Win2K (NT 5).dI For an OS that runs on over a thousand different platforms, that's prettyiE stable.  The only time I reboot my NT/2000 system at home is when the I internal US Robotics modem in it needs to be reset - there is no software K way to completely reinitialize the modem.  Otherwise, it's up 24/7.  I havet" also only put NT on good hardware.   > Arne  I All said and done, this newsgroup is an excellent source for VMS support,CJ but should probably be split into a VMS advocacy group and a VMS technicalK group.  The VMS advocacy that shows up here frequently covers the technicalaI information that actually helps people deal with the complexities of VMS.hJ Yes, there are technical vmsnet newsgroups, but they are very infrequently& used - I know, I monitor them as well.  
 Mike Ober.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 16:08:00 +0200n= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> * Subject: Re: Windows 98 Vs. Windows NT 4.0) Message-ID: <39293F40.4D246909@gtech.com>e   "Michael D. Ober" wrote:9 > "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in messageh$ > news:39290ECC.82068D2@gtech.com... > > "Michael D. Ober" wrote:N > > >                            Note that Windows 2000 is finally approaching4 > > > the stability needed to run in the enterprise. > >hH > > According to Microsoft itself average uptime for NT 4.0 was 4.5 days > > and 2K has 90 days.e > >tG > > I wil leave it to everyone to decide for themself whether a 90 days 7 > > average uptime is good enough for their enterprise.n > B > Then explain why Compaq, HP, and a couple of other companies areM > guaranteeing no more than 5-10 minutes of annual downtime with Windows 2000r9 > Server?  I'd call that enterprise under any definition.    Oh yes.i  D Are they willing to pay compensation, if they can not fullfill their
 promises ?   Arne   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:36:38 +0000 (   )u3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>e* Subject: Re: Windows 98 Vs. Windows NT 4.0I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10005221532380.7799-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>l  $ On Mon, 22 May 2000, it was written:  J > underlying hardware was complete garbage.  The hardware platform must beJ > rock stable to guarantee uptime, for any OS.  Starting with the originalK > release of NT 3.1, I have crashed a total of 6 times - 3 with NT 3.1, andmM > one each with NT 3.5, NT 3.51, and NT 4, and none so far with Win2K (NT 5). K > For an OS that runs on over a thousand different platforms, that's prettymG > stable.  The only time I reboot my NT/2000 system at home is when thet  5 Here's where I begin to question your authenticity...c  H I'd expect microsoft to claim something rediculous like "NT runs on overH 1000 different platforms," but I never thought I'd hear that from anyone else. :)  7 Please tell me what deffinition you use for "platform."a  I Last I heard NT would theoretically run on intel, alpha, and powerpc, butt1 no longer practically on either alpha or powerpc.r  F I count three in a best case, and there's only one that I'd recognise.   Regards,   Chrisy  O ===============================================================================f@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmerh Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.y% -------------------------------------AI "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes andtH weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 tO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 07:34:22 -0500 ( From: "G. Jones" <gerryr@smwtrading.com>  Subject: Windows/VMS integration, Message-ID: <39292920_1@news5.newsfeeds.com>  E Is there a way to submit VMS programs or command files from a Windowsp program?        > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!r> -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 16:09:29 +0200d= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>s$ Subject: Re: Windows/VMS integration) Message-ID: <39293F99.57862011@gtech.com>s   "G. Jones" wrote:eG > Is there a way to submit VMS programs or command files from a Windows 
 > program?  . Not directly, but it is not difficult to code.  + PathWorks used to ship with such utilities.m   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 22 May 2000 17:13:36 GMT8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)+ Subject: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus" 6 Message-ID: <8gbps0$qnh$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  J -- HUMOR -- HUMOR -- HUMOR -- HUMOR -- HUMOR -- HUMOR -- HUMOR -- HUMOR --  L A friend and former colleague sent me this [re-typed; altered very slightly]  2     YOU HAVE JUST RECIEVED THE OpenVMS/UNIX VIRUS!     )     This virus works on the honor system:eJ     If you are running a variant of OpenVMS, Unix or Linux, please forwardM     this message to every one you know and delete a bunch of files at random.s  I !PLEASE!  If you forward this to your boss -- or ANYbody in management -- ? make sure they know it is a joke.  Otherwise they might just...    -- rK     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USAoF          (hammond@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.285 ************************