1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 24 May 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 289       Contents:7 Re: "VMS on Wildfire" Slides from NELUG meeting May 4th * Re: 10000 day problem Open VMS AXP 6.2-1H37 Re: Creating a new user using a system service...HOW???  Re: DECstation 5000/xx/1xx/2xx Re: DECstation 5000/xx/1xx/2xx Re: DECstation 5000/xx/1xx/2xx Re: DECstation 5000/xx/1xx/2xx Re: DECstation 5000/xx/1xx/2xx> Re: Deja.com Moving: Archives May Not Be Available Temporarily ftp connection too slow... ftp connection too slow... Re: Hangs on HSZ70 Re: help with VAXstation II/GPX  Re: help with VAXstation II/GPX  Re: help with VAXstation II/GPX  Re: help with VAXstation II/GPX  Re: help with VAXstation II/GPX 6 Re: How to export contents of RMS file to .csv format?6 Re: How to export contents of RMS file to .csv format?6 Re: How to export contents of RMS file to .csv format? HP Printer Support Winge Logical translation aberation ? # Re: Logical translation aberation ? # Re: Logical translation aberation ? " Memory Barrier useage on ALPHA VMS& Re: Memory Barrier useage on ALPHA VMS& Re: Memory Barrier useage on ALPHA VMS& Re: Memory Barrier useage on ALPHA VMS2 Re: OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for DummiesA Re: OpenVMS commentaries (was Re: Gartner commentary on Wildfire) A Re: OpenVMS commentaries (was Re: Gartner commentary on Wildfire) A Re: OpenVMS commentaries (was Re: Gartner commentary on Wildfire) 0 Re: OpenVMS the last OS without JAVA Script 1.2?0 Re: OpenVMS the last OS without JAVA Script 1.2?' Re: OpenVMS, and PowerStorm 300 and 350 1 Re: Tape Data Recovery (was Re: Need urgent help) 1 Re: Tape Data Recovery (was Re: Need urgent help)  Re: Text to PDF utility  Re: Text to PDF utility ( Re: Unsupported adapters within the DS20( Re: Unsupported adapters within the DS20( Re: Unsupported adapters within the DS20F Re: USB and IDE on DS20 (was Re: Unsupported adapters within the DS20) VMS mail and rooted logicals  Re: VMS mail and rooted logicals  Re: VMS mail and rooted logicals  Re: VMS mail and rooted logicals  Re: VMS mail and rooted logicals Re: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop?  RE: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop? ! Re: Volume Shadowing for Dummies? ! Re: Volume Shadowing for Dummies? ! Re: Volume Shadowing for Dummies? ! Re: Volume Shadowing for Dummies?  What's PR_SLOWHZ? B Re: Why does a set default to a searchlist logical keep the formerB Re: Why does a set default to a searchlist logical keep the former
 X for dummies  Re: X for dummies & Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"& Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"& Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"& Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"& Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"& Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"& Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"& Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:36:26 -0400   From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com@ Subject: Re: "VMS on Wildfire" Slides from NELUG meeting May 4th4 Message-ID: <C22568E9.005A6362.00@jklh21.valmet.com>   Soon to be fixed!   I [BSOD's notwithstanding, it is no less unsafe to "turn off" a VMS machine 
 without first ; performing an orderly shutdown than it is a Wintel machine. L You never shut down an OpenVMS cluster, but you do sometimes shut down a VMS@ machine. The "beauty part" is that they are not the same thing.]        6 jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca on 05/23/2000 03:59:00 PM   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com  cc: A Subject:  Re: "VMS on Wildfire" Slides from NELUG meeting May 4th         ! norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote: L > Clair Grant has submitted his slides from his VMS ON WILDFIRE presentationB > at the NE LUG meeting in May.  They are located on our web site, > specifically at: > + >   http://eisner.decus.org/encompass/lugs/   M Well, I must protest about slide number 56. There is no room for such a slide  in a VMS topic.   L (Blue screen with text "it is now safe to turn off your computer"). Everyone/ knows that you never shutdown a VMS machine :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:09:43 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> 3 Subject: Re: 10000 day problem Open VMS AXP 6.2-1H3 ) Message-ID: <392BB877.25A57E84@bbc.co.uk>    r_srinivasan@my-deja.com wrote:   ! > much, much, much obliged folks.  > H > this rings a bell. We did apply the fix but due to a disk crash had to8 > start from an old backup which did not have the patch. >   9 You REALLY need to take more regular backups. The 10k day ( delta time bug issue dates back to 1997.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 23:55:32 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>@ Subject: Re: Creating a new user using a system service...HOW???- Message-ID: <392B52B4.751C0403@tsoft-inc.com>    Howard S Shubs wrote:  > > > In article <3929E450.E80A5D5A@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble > <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote: > H > >Since the username is probably the primary key in a RMS indexed file, > >changing 5 > >the primary key requires that the record be moved.  > J > I've played with the live file before, using DCL.  IIRC, the username isJ > indeed the primary key.  If you're not sure, ANALYSE/RMS/FDL the file toE > see.  If you don't have access to the live file, create your own by G > running AUTHORIZE from your home directory first.  You don't need the B > actual data in order to play with this, just the file structure. > A > The AUTHORIZE utility doesn't have to resort to "trickery".  It J > -defines- the file, so anything it does is canon.  It's the -rest- of us* > that have to resort to trickery.  <grin> >  > --! > Howard S Shubs, the Denim Adept   N Yeah, I've played with the SYSUAF file in the past.  Didn't want to mention itF earlier in the discussion because you never know who will take that asD permission to do so, and what their capabilities are.  It could haveM consequences on a production system.  I never had any problems.  Doesn't mean 
 others won't.    Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2000 12:35:58 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)' Subject: Re: DECstation 5000/xx/1xx/2xx 6 Message-ID: <8ggibe$ob5$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  c In article <392ae3ea.958866836@news.brooks.af.mil>, morrisj@epsilon3.comdex (Jay E. Morris) writes: A :On 23 May 2000 17:46:33 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff  :Hoffman) wrote: :>F :>  Nope.  Not a chance.  The DECstation boxes are either based on theF :>  MIPS chip (and were typically sold with ULTRIX RISC), or are (for 2 :>  the three-digit DECstation boxes) Intel boxes. :>@ :>:Got a chance at a 5000/240 but would prefer to run VMS on it. :>@ :>  Hold out for a (supported) VAX- or Alpha-based system, then. :>E :Thanks Hoff.  May get it anyway though.  I understand it is possible  :to get Linux running on it.  D   Linux will run on a 16KB dual-slot toaster, as long as you have a B   network link over to the refrigerator for the initial download. 4   But I'd recommend the 32KB quad-slot toaster.  :-)  E   Seriously, it would not surprise me to see Linux on the DECstation  G   MIPS boxes, but I don't know it to be available.  I would first look  D   for an Alpha or other platform if I wanted to run Linux, however. B   Why?  DECstation peripheral hardware will be somewhat harder to E   acquire than widgets for Alpha, and there is a rather larger Linux  C   development community active on the Alpha platform than is likely E   available for the DECstation MIPS box.  (And the comp.os.vms 'group B   is also not the best spot for Linux nor for DECstation MIPS box !   questions.  But you knew that.)   D   The DECstation MIPS boxes do run Ultrix quite nicely -- I rememberF   being rather impressed with the relative speed when compared to the 2   then-current VAXstation workstation performance.  =   But if you want OpenVMS, you'll want a VAX or an Alpha box.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:03:12 GMT - From: morrisj@epsilon3.comdex (Jay E. Morris) ' Subject: Re: DECstation 5000/xx/1xx/2xx 4 Message-ID: <392be11b.1023693757@news.brooks.af.mil>  E On Tue, 23 May 2000 18:44:07 -0700 (PDT), Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>  wrote:I >I doubt there is much support for that even if someone had done a port,  K >which would surprise me. I've had one of these boxes running non-stop for  I >8 years (except for replacing one power supply) running Ultrix 4.2.  In  H >fact you can even get our PL/I compiler for it for serious programming.F >Nowadays I use it as my mail machine since it is immune to all known G >viruses, after all who would bother trying to bring down Ultrix boxes.  >  http://decstation.unix-ag.org/  " This way I don't need the license.   --- Jay E. Morris'          <*>  Web Sites Design * Epsilon 3 Productions   <*>    and hosting0 http://www.epsilon3.com <*> morrisj@epsilon3.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:43:15 -0400 (EDT) 2 From: "Douglas S. Meade" <vaxboy@INFORUM2.UMD.EDU>' Subject: Re: DECstation 5000/xx/1xx/2xx G Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0005241137250.18568-100000@inforum2.umd.edu>   C I guess this thread is a bit off-topic, but it seems to keep coming C up.  Anyway, Linux works fine on Decstations, although all but the  4 "Personal Decstation" only work with serial console.  > I've got a "Maxine" (Personal Decstation 5000/25) that has an @ uptime of 83 days, running RedHat 6.1, with framebuffer support.= To get it booted, I netboot from a NetBSD machine, but as you & can see, I don't do that very often.    ? It takes a bit of tweaking, but if you like, you can check out:   % http://www.xs4all.nl/~vhouten/mipsel/  http://decstation.unix-ag.org/' http://oss.sgi.com/mips/mips-howto.html    and the mailing list at:   linux-mips@fnet.fr  E If Compaq would open up the source code for Ultrix, it would probably  help these folks a lot.   
 Doug Meade    # On 24 May 2000, Hoff Hoffman wrote:    > e > In article <392ae3ea.958866836@news.brooks.af.mil>, morrisj@epsilon3.comdex (Jay E. Morris) writes: C > :On 23 May 2000 17:46:33 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff  > :Hoffman) wrote: > :>H > :>  Nope.  Not a chance.  The DECstation boxes are either based on theH > :>  MIPS chip (and were typically sold with ULTRIX RISC), or are (for 4 > :>  the three-digit DECstation boxes) Intel boxes. > :>B > :>:Got a chance at a 5000/240 but would prefer to run VMS on it. > :>B > :>  Hold out for a (supported) VAX- or Alpha-based system, then. > :>G > :Thanks Hoff.  May get it anyway though.  I understand it is possible  > :to get Linux running on it. > F >   Linux will run on a 16KB dual-slot toaster, as long as you have a D >   network link over to the refrigerator for the initial download. 6 >   But I'd recommend the 32KB quad-slot toaster.  :-) > G >   Seriously, it would not surprise me to see Linux on the DECstation  I >   MIPS boxes, but I don't know it to be available.  I would first look  F >   for an Alpha or other platform if I wanted to run Linux, however. D >   Why?  DECstation peripheral hardware will be somewhat harder to G >   acquire than widgets for Alpha, and there is a rather larger Linux  E >   development community active on the Alpha platform than is likely G >   available for the DECstation MIPS box.  (And the comp.os.vms 'group D >   is also not the best spot for Linux nor for DECstation MIPS box # >   questions.  But you knew that.)  > F >   The DECstation MIPS boxes do run Ultrix quite nicely -- I rememberH >   being rather impressed with the relative speed when compared to the 4 >   then-current VAXstation workstation performance. > ? >   But if you want OpenVMS, you'll want a VAX or an Alpha box.  > P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:47:50 -0700 (PDT) ! From: Tom Linden <tom@KEDNOS.COM> ' Subject: Re: DECstation 5000/xx/1xx/2xx E Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.1000524084541.269G-100000@gunn.kednos.com>   ) On Wed, 24 May 2000, Jay E. Morris wrote:   % > Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:03:12 GMT / > From: Jay E. Morris <morrisj@epsilon3.comdex>  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ) > Subject: Re: DECstation 5000/xx/1xx/2xx  > G > On Tue, 23 May 2000 18:44:07 -0700 (PDT), Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>  > wrote:K > >I doubt there is much support for that even if someone had done a port,  M > >which would surprise me. I've had one of these boxes running non-stop for  K > >8 years (except for replacing one power supply) running Ultrix 4.2.  In  J > >fact you can even get our PL/I compiler for it for serious programming.H > >Nowadays I use it as my mail machine since it is immune to all known I > >viruses, after all who would bother trying to bring down Ultrix boxes.  > >   > http://decstation.unix-ag.org/ > $ > This way I don't need the license.  M I don't even know if you can get a license anymore.  If you want to run Linux 8 get an intel platform, its the cheapest solution by far.   >  > --/ > Jay E. Morris'          <*>  Web Sites Design , > Epsilon 3 Productions   <*>    and hosting2 > http://www.epsilon3.com <*> morrisj@epsilon3.com >   A                __________________________________________________ A               /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ @              /_/                                             /_/?             /_/     Tom Linden              PL/I Support    /_/ >            /_/    Kednos Corporation       OpenVMS and     /_/=           /_/   tel 831 373 7003          Tru64 Unix      /_/ <          /_/_____________________________________________/_/;         /_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:15:08 GMT - From: morrisj@epsilon3.comdex (Jay E. Morris) ' Subject: Re: DECstation 5000/xx/1xx/2xx 4 Message-ID: <392bf1f8.1028011230@news.brooks.af.mil>  @ On 24 May 2000 12:35:58 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote:  .... > > >  But if you want OpenVMS, you'll want a VAX or an Alpha box. > F Actually, I've got my eye on a cute little 4000 box too.  But if I can= find enough change in the couch tonight, I might go for both.   E Not as good a price though as my 2000.  $1 in a Salvation Army store.    --0 ===== Jay E. Morris, Epsilon 3 Productions =====N She was only a rocket scientist's daugher, But she acted on a specific impulseN Ignited on contact Rolled as she cleared the tower Separated with pyrotechnics: And left the boys exhausted (at high velocity!) behind her> ----Jordin (And I won't even mention pintle injectors...) Kare   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:07:33 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> G Subject: Re: Deja.com Moving: Archives May Not Be Available Temporarily ) Message-ID: <392BB7F5.2F5C0867@bbc.co.uk>    Jerry Leslie wrote:    > From:  > , >   http://www.deja.com/info/site_move.shtml  >   Deja.com: Deja.com Site Move > F >  "Old Usenet messages - Between May 20 and May 26, messages posted 2L >   weeks to a year ago will not be available. Starting May 4, many messagesN >   posted over two years ago will not be accessible on a temporary basis, andO >   after May 15, all messages posted over a year ago will not be accessible on L >   a temporary basis. We will be taking this opportunity to reconfigure theM >   service that provides messages posted prior to May 1999. Therefore, these M >   messages will not be accessible on the site for some time, possibly a fewdI >   months. Have no fear: We're committed to bringing these messages back   >   online as soon as possible." >m >r  J Ah, I suppose the concept of developing the new system while still runningB the old system in production was beyond their limited imagination?     --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukt  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:03:57 GMTo From: celsonardi@ieg.com.bri# Subject: ftp connection too slow... ) Message-ID: <8gh21h$jfb$1@nnrp1.deja.com>o   Hi,pF I have a VAX 4000-100 running OpenVMS V6.2 and TCP/IP Services VersionD V4.2 - ECO 3, and clients running Win98 logged on an NT Domain. ThatF clients, when try to connect to the VMS Ftp Server, delays a long timeE before display the prompt for the username, about 60 or 70 seconds...PC Do you have some tips for improving this performance? On others ftpwF servers, such VMS or NT or even MVS, the connection is fast. Any help?   TIA, Celso.% please reply to celsonardi@ieg.com.br     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:03:26 GMTu From: celsonardi@my-deja.com# Subject: ftp connection too slow...?) Message-ID: <8gh20i$je1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Hi,eF I have a VAX 4000-100 running OpenVMS V6.2 and TCP/IP Services VersionD V4.2 - ECO 3, and clients running Win98 logged on an NT Domain. ThatF clients, when try to connect to the VMS Ftp Server, delays a long timeE before display the prompt for the username, about 60 or 70 seconds... C Do you have some tips for improving this performance? On others ftpaF servers, such VMS or NT or even MVS, the connection is fast. Any help?   TIA, Celso.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 01:10:48 -0700s? From: Mike Price <mike.priceNOmiSPAM@littlewoods.co.uk.invalid>M Subject: Re: Hangs on HSZ70n9 Message-ID: <07621710.1657ca3d@usw-ex0103-086.remarq.com>s  ! Thanks to you all for responding.i= We have had another HSZ70 hang and this time when I logged itf? with Digitall (sorry - Compaq) I got hold of someone who reallyZ= knew the subject. It appeared that the SCSI controller in the ? 4100 was polling the lost disk and getting no response. Also weh> ( i.e. me and the engineer) could not run a disk test from the# HSZ - there was no response at all.X= After some trying and many entries into HELP both HSZ70s hung ! completly and had to be rebooted.u? The analyst from Storageworks said the HSZTERM and SWCC are NOTV> compatible and should NEVER be used on the same system talking2 to the same Raid system - all HSZ users take note.? Somehow I am having trouble finding that snippet of informatione in the documentation !!0  2 Anyone from Compaq - Storageworks care to comment?   Mike      L * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *G The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 06:57:56 +0100l, From: "Adrian Lumsden" <A.Lumsden@xdt.co.uk>( Subject: Re: help with VAXstation II/GPX. Message-ID: <8gg36v$h01$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>  ; Zane H. Healy <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote in messagee0 news:DiJW4.1240$NX3.31977@typhoon.aracnet.com...0 > Mike Kenzie <ba600@freenet.carleton.ca> wrote:H > > I have all the panels and the plastic door, as an added bonus I also have <snip>C > Could be.  It's 25-pin on the termianl side, and 9-pin on the VAXL side,rG > hopefully one of the earlier pointers gave the part number.  It' a BCs > something.   BCC08:   Adrian   --( Adrian Lumsden, XDT Computer Systems, UK" A dot Lumsden at xdt dot co dot uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:52:25 +0100t- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>r( Subject: Re: help with VAXstation II/GPX) Message-ID: <392BB469.4AB42FB9@bbc.co.uk>-  N "Zane H. Healy" wrote: BTW, why is it so blasted hard to find a BA123 with all it's panels?  It  K > took me about two years and three different chassis to get one BA123 with5L > all the panels.  If you have the system in the house having all the panelsN > is wonderful because it is so much quiter.  Of course to really be quite you) > need to switch to small SCSI drives :^)i >d& >                                 Zane  1 If you switch it off it will be quiter still :-).t  G Tim, who seems to remember much fun and games reaffixing side panels touI BA123 cabs, and is trying to decide whether the MicroVAX 2000 now sittingmM right behind me is even worth the trouble of finding the right console cable.    --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk@  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofc MedAS or the BBC.-   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:58:01 +0000 (   )e3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> ( Subject: Re: help with VAXstation II/GPXJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10005241454570.15858-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  ) On Wed, 24 May 2000, Zane H. Healy wrote:r  6 > Christopher Smith <chriss@mufasa.pubserv.com> wrote:0 > > So, pull the back off of the machine, and...  N > Slight nitpick.  He'd mentioned three HD's and a TK50, so most likely he hasK > a BA123 chassis and not a BA23.  In which case it's remove the side panelyK > (on the right side when looking at the front, assuming it's got it's sidey > panels) and open the door.   Good point.  My mistake.  J > BTW, why is it so blasted hard to find a BA123 with all it's panels?  ItK > took me about two years and three different chassis to get one BA123 withiL > all the panels.  If you have the system in the house having all the panelsN > is wonderful because it is so much quiter.  Of course to really be quite you) > need to switch to small SCSI drives :^)   9 I'm still having trouble finding a BA123 case at all.. ;)s   Regards,   Chris   O ===============================================================================e@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmer- Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL. % -------------------------------------rI "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and3H weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 nO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------r   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:20:10 +0000 (   )a3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> ( Subject: Re: help with VAXstation II/GPXJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10005241516250.15858-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  ) On Wed, 24 May 2000, Tim Llewellyn wrote:   I > Tim, who seems to remember much fun and games reaffixing side panels torK > BA123 cabs, and is trying to decide whether the MicroVAX 2000 now sittingdO > right behind me is even worth the trouble of finding the right console cable.p  E Well, if you need something to do for an hour, you can get some cheap-C parts and make one.  I've "noctournally aviated" adapters for threeiH microvax 2000s, and one mmj->microvax 2000 printer port adapter, myself.H (All still in use and working fine.  Generally it's less than half hours work to put one together.)   Regards,   Chris   O ===============================================================================d@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmern Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL. % ------------------------------------- I "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes andAH weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949  O -------------------------------------------------------------------------------r   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2000 17:06:44 GMT- From: ba600@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Mike Kenzie)u( Subject: Re: help with VAXstation II/GPX/ Message-ID: <8gh274$anu$1@freenet9.carleton.ca>p  5 Christopher Smith (chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com) writes: + > On Wed, 24 May 2000, Zane H. Healy wrote:f > 7 >> Christopher Smith <chriss@mufasa.pubserv.com> wrote:a1 >> > So, pull the back off of the machine, and...p > O >> Slight nitpick.  He'd mentioned three HD's and a TK50, so most likely he has L >> a BA123 chassis and not a BA23.  In which case it's remove the side panelL >> (on the right side when looking at the front, assuming it's got it's side >> panels) and open the door.e    H You've correct it is a BA123, the back corner panel is loose and I thinkH may have a broken hinge and one of the pins that hold on the front needs gluing.n  1 I've now opened up the box and had a peek inside!o( this is what I found marked on the case:   M7606 H2             CPU?i M7608 B2 ms630 BA    Memorys M7608 B2 ms630 BB    Memoryr% M7504 D2             ethernet adapter % M7169 B1              video base cards# M7168 A1               video memory # M7168 A1               video memorys M3106 C1 M9047 M7555 C1 M7540 E1*  G There is a Microplis HD RD53-EA, and 2 maxtors, the maxtors seem to say-1 171 meg? on them but it's hard to read the label.1  D On the back there is a group of 4 25 pin connectors but only 16 pinsI remain in each, I think this is connected to the ethernet card.  There is2H also a DEQNA port locatd on the bottom.  Which one is used to connect to the lan?  J Beside the 25 pin connectors is a switch  2 dials and a 9 pin connector, I$ think this is for a serial terminal.  C Below that is a 15 pin connector which I was told is for the video.e  G On the corner is the connector for the power plug, what looks like a PC $ power connetor and a breaker switch.  H I can see no plugs for the mouse or keyboard so I assume these plug into$ the VR290 display if I can find one.  A Can I run a serial console with the video system still installed?u  I I know that the linux distributions have several compilers and tools withw them, does ultirx?  7 I also found that the tape is only 171 meg unformatted!p  J So this machine has 4 meg of ram and about 500 meg of HD space which makesI it comparable to my old 486 now has 8 meg of RAM and 520 meg of HD space.e  6 I'm now off the the recyclers to see what's available.  & BCC08 cable to connect serial terminal$ or VR290 display and BC18Z-10 cable.   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2000 06:12:19 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)a? Subject: Re: How to export contents of RMS file to .csv format?R' Message-ID: <8gfrs3$bnm$1@joe.rice.edu>   + David A Froble (davef@tsoft-inc.com) wrote:aM : Ok, I've followed this thread for several days.  Finally built the resolve f< : to admit my ignorance.  Just what the heck is a .csv file?   From:f     http://www.whatis.com/  +    "CSV file (comma-separated values file)    /    In computers, a CSV (comma-separated values)a5    file contains the values in a table as a series ofk1    ASCII text lines organized so that each column .    value is separated by a comma from the next2    column's value and each row starts a new line."  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2000 03:30 CSTn' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)u? Subject: Re: How to export contents of RMS file to .csv format? - Message-ID: <24MAY200003304851@gerg.tamu.edu>s  . David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes...N }Ok, I've followed this thread for several days.  Finally built the resolve to8 }admit my ignorance.  Just what the heck is a .csv file? }  }Dave    "Comma Separated Value".  H You know - a text file where each record is composed of fields separatedH by commas. Its the same thing as "tab delimited" but with commas insteadH of tabs. The tab version and the comma version are probably the two mostG common, but you could use any character you want to mark the separationu between fields.u   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:34:43 +0200i= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>p? Subject: Re: How to export contents of RMS file to .csv format?-( Message-ID: <392BA233.6E5EE22@gtech.com>   David A Froble wrote: O > Ok, I've followed this thread for several days.  Finally built the resolve tos9 > admit my ignorance.  Just what the heck is a .csv file?s   Comma Separated Values   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 16:40:56 +0100.- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>V! Subject: HP Printer Support WingeC) Message-ID: <392BF808.C8DA9E23@bbc.co.uk>M   Hi  ? The IT dept are now rolling out HP LaserJet4050's to users thatIB previously had LaserJet III and IV's and 4000's. The pound sign isB being printed incorrectly on the 4050's. When I finally managed to> gather all the info for logging a call (you may think that theC configuration page containing the serial number is adequate but youpA also need the Model number, which you have to walk to the printeriG again for), I was told that as long as the pound sign printed correctlylC from Windows then it was an application problem. When I stated thatoF this response was unacceptable and then asked what had changed betweenF the LJ4000 and the 4050 to cause this change in application behaviour,9 I was told nothing had changed and then I was hung up on.   H This, after trying 3 times to get the correct support phone number (this isE a NEW printer, manufactured March 2000, and the freaking phone numberm, for UK support in the manual is incorrect!).  D Jeez, I'm glad I ain't got any HP servers on maintenance (but I know some@ people that do, and they ain't happy with their support either).  1 Arrrgh, you gotta be grateful for Compaq service!    --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk_  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of_ MedAS or the BBC._   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 02:32:01 -0400:* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>( Subject: Logical translation aberation ?- Message-ID: <392B7761.2CAC1CAA@tsoft-inc.com>0  ' Ran into an interesting incident today.5   Environment: AlphaStation 200 4/233
 VMS V7.2-1  I I have a rather old routine that translates logicals using the old systemhM service SYS$TRNLOG.  A user mode logical, 'DATA', (yeah, real original), thatcO when specified in uppercase was translated as expected. But when lower case was O passed, no translation was performed.  Just to be sure, ran everything with therN debugger, and sure enough, after the first call to SYS$TRNLOG the return value* indicated that no translation had occured.  L Have I just been clueless for the last 20 some years, and lower case logical! names have never been translated?!   Dave   -- -4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.coml Vanderbilt, PA  15486:   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2000 03:51 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) , Subject: Re: Logical translation aberation ?- Message-ID: <24MAY200003512627@gerg.tamu.edu>e  . David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes...( }Ran into an interesting incident today. } 
 }Environment:k }AlphaStation 200 4/233b }VMS V7.2-1S } J }I have a rather old routine that translates logicals using the old systemN }service SYS$TRNLOG.  A user mode logical, 'DATA', (yeah, real original), thatP }when specified in uppercase was translated as expected. But when lower case wasP }passed, no translation was performed.  Just to be sure, ran everything with theO }debugger, and sure enough, after the first call to SYS$TRNLOG the return valuee+ }indicated that no translation had occured.e } M }Have I just been clueless for the last 20 some years, and lower case logicale" }names have never been translated? }  }Davel  D I'm not entirely certain this is your problem, but it probably is...  G Oddly enough, logical names are case sensitive - but are not treated int a completely consistent way.  	 Try this:    $ define foo 1 $ define "foo" 2 $ show logical foo   !A. $ show logical "foo" !Bi $ show logical "f"*  !C   I Note that the show logical line B shows the same one as line A, uppercase G with a translation of 1, but line C shows you the other, lowercase withrJ translation of 2, logical name. This seems wrong to me - B should show the  lowercase version the same as C.  G This works (or doesn't work, if you think this is bad) back to at leastiF VMS 5.5-2 (the oldest version I have running) up to version 7.1-2 (the& newest version I'm currently running).  F My advice: in programs, always uppercase the logical name (at least byH defining it as uppercase text, or if read in then via STR$UPCASE or someJ other language specific method) both when defining it and when translating% it. It could save you some confusion.    --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:55:17 -0400o* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>, Subject: Re: Logical translation aberation ?- Message-ID: <392BDF45.44D75685@tsoft-inc.com>t   Carl Perkins wrote:g > 0 > David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes...* > }Ran into an interesting incident today. > }v > }Environment:2 > }AlphaStation 200 4/233n
 > }VMS V7.2-1o > }NL > }I have a rather old routine that translates logicals using the old systemP > }service SYS$TRNLOG.  A user mode logical, 'DATA', (yeah, real original), thatR > }when specified in uppercase was translated as expected. But when lower case wasR > }passed, no translation was performed.  Just to be sure, ran everything with theQ > }debugger, and sure enough, after the first call to SYS$TRNLOG the return value-- > }indicated that no translation had occured.m > }eO > }Have I just been clueless for the last 20 some years, and lower case logical7$ > }names have never been translated? > }0 > }Davea > F > I'm not entirely certain this is your problem, but it probably is... > I > Oddly enough, logical names are case sensitive - but are not treated inf > a completely consistent way. >  > Try this:e >  > $ define foo 1 > $ define "foo" 2 > $ show logical foo   !Ad > $ show logical "foo" !Bw > $ show logical "f"*  !Ce > K > Note that the show logical line B shows the same one as line A, uppercaseeI > with a translation of 1, but line C shows you the other, lowercase withaL > translation of 2, logical name. This seems wrong to me - B should show the" > lowercase version the same as C. > I > This works (or doesn't work, if you think this is bad) back to at leasteH > VMS 5.5-2 (the oldest version I have running) up to version 7.1-2 (the( > newest version I'm currently running). > H > My advice: in programs, always uppercase the logical name (at least byJ > defining it as uppercase text, or if read in then via STR$UPCASE or someL > other language specific method) both when defining it and when translating' > it. It could save you some confusion.0 > 
 > --- Carl  O Well, I'm not sure I believed you upon first read.  I would never have expectedg7 such inconsistancy in VMS.  But, simple enough to test:    $ def foo 1.
 $ def "foo" 2o
 $ sho log foo "    "FOO" = "1" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE) $ sho log "foo"i"    "FOO" = "1" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE) $ sho log "f"*  e (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)h  l
   "foo" = "2"a  O Yep!  (almost speachless)  That DCL makes everything uppercase unless in quotesaN is why this is rarely seen I can understand.  That 'something' makes some textO encloses in quotes uppercase, and other text not, is a bit too inconsistant forD me.p  L In this case, an old utility program called an even older routine to parse aO filename, and while it should, it doesn't use the RMS filename parsing routine,lL and it was choking on a filespec that included a rooted logical.  When usingP lowercase for the logical name, no translation occured, and the original logicalN was used in a file open statement, where the file open must have translated itP successfully since the file open worked.  That brings up the question of why theL file open was able to translate the logical successfully.  Obvious answer isM that the file open does use the RMS filename parsing routine, and it probably^M converts everything to uppercase before doing it's thing.  A reasonable thingb
 for it to do.:  M Dave, who finds that after 22 years using VMS that there's still something to  learn.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.comI Vanderbilt, PA  15486P   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:15:58 GMTl From: paul_hallam@my-deja.comy+ Subject: Memory Barrier useage on ALPHA VMS ) Message-ID: <8ggo6e$br6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   G Does anyone have any example of the use of the BARRIER built-in routine0C on ALPHA to generate the MB instruction to preserve write ordering.e  C I am getting a little confused having read the sections in the VAX-N< ALPHA migration manual, the Pascal V5.7 manual AND the alpha architecture handbook.G Whilst they all mention the BARRIER command they dont appear to mention E how to use it. It may seem obvious to some of you so, if you know howH5 it works in PASCAL or even C then please let me know.h   Paul    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.s   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2000 15:00:20 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)/ Subject: Re: Memory Barrier useage on ALPHA VMS 6 Message-ID: <8ggqq4$rdj$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  I In article <8ggo6e$br6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, paul_hallam@my-deja.com writes: H :Does anyone have any example of the use of the BARRIER built-in routineD :on ALPHA to generate the MB instruction to preserve write ordering.  D   See topic 2681 in the OpenVMS Ask The Wizard area for some relatedA   background information.  http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/   H :Whilst they all mention the BARRIER command they dont appear to mentionF :how to use it. It may seem obvious to some of you so, if you know how6 :it works in PASCAL or even C then please let me know.     Donno about Pascal.   ?   In Compaq C, an explicit full memory barrier looks like this:a       #include <builtins.h>q     ...t     __MB();u     ...n    B   You can also use the C asm() mechanism, and -- depending on whatC   you are up to -- you can use the interlocked services in the RTL,-C   and you can also use (and sometimes need) the C volatile keyword.-  B   Of course, you can also get at this using the MB instruction viaG   the Macro64 assembler.  Macro64 is available on the OpenVMS Freeware.   E   An example of using the C asm() call is located at the OpenVMS Ask 0F   The Wizard area, in the example C program that uses the IMPLVER and E   AMASK instuctions to identify the particular feature set available e$   on the local Alpha microprocessor.   <   Also see the C documentation around the following section:  G http://www.openvms.digital.com/commercial/c/5492p027.htm#mb_builtin_secb  D   for the MB built-in and for some other related (atomic) built-ins.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:52:39 +0100u* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>/ Subject: Re: Memory Barrier useage on ALPHA VMS=+ Message-ID: <8ggqbm$ot2@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>	  N <paul_hallam@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8ggo6e$br6$1@nnrp1.deja.com...  I > Whilst they all mention the BARRIER command they dont appear to mention-G > how to use it. It may seem obvious to some of you so, if you know howw7 > it works in PASCAL or even C then please let me know.n  K Your question is difficult to answer without understanding the problem thatlJ you are trying to solve. You need to be doing something slightly tricky toJ require it. One example of such use is in multithreaded programs: however,K using the pthread calls correctly should put MBs in the right place for youjI transparently: you can see the code used to inline mutexes in <pthread.h>r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:39:19 -0400W5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>h/ Subject: Re: Memory Barrier useage on ALPHA VMS>+ Message-ID: <8gh0hd$q1h$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>p  G As Steve indicates, include "builtins.h" and then use __MB().  If it iseF "write ordering" then there is also the Write Memory Barrier (WMB)  --4 #include "c_asm.h" and then #define WMB() asm("wmb")  I There are a couple of potential meanings to "write ordering".  In tems of L say, writing to an IO device, where you want to preserve the actual order ofL the writes as presented to the HW - then all you need is the WMB.  Its a bitH more lightweight on some Alpha chips - since it doesn't do coherency, it! just ensures the order of writes.   I If the context is SMP communication, or CPU<=>DEVICE DMA synchronization, ( then indeed you want the MB instruction.        I paul_hallam@my-deja.com wrote in message <8ggo6e$br6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>...1H >Does anyone have any example of the use of the BARRIER built-in routineD >on ALPHA to generate the MB instruction to preserve write ordering. >eD >I am getting a little confused having read the sections in the VAX-= >ALPHA migration manual, the Pascal V5.7 manual AND the alpha  >architecture handbook. H >Whilst they all mention the BARRIER command they dont appear to mentionF >how to use it. It may seem obvious to some of you so, if you know how6 >it works in PASCAL or even C then please let me know. >s >Paul  >e >l' >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/e >Before you buy.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 02:22:34 -0400,* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>; Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummiesa- Message-ID: <392B752A.34DEF6BC@tsoft-inc.com>a   JF Mezei wrote:. >  > Paul Sture wrote:nR > > Paul Sture (whose 2 non-IT brothers sat me down 2 years ago and lectured me onN > > taking a wrong career move by not going for an MSCE and sticking with MS). > M > Yep. Stuck in that one-way-VMS-street going nowhere in Montreal. Those mostt3 > loyal to VMS are the ones that are the worse off.   L Who's worse off?  Certainly not me!  Plenty of work, sometimes too much, and avoid MS most of the time.  C There still VMS shops, just not in some places where it used to be.1   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.comm Vanderbilt, PA  15486s   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2000 13:04:03 GMT' From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi>eJ Subject: Re: OpenVMS commentaries (was Re: Gartner commentary on Wildfire), Message-ID: <8ggk03$ohr$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>  & Bill Todd <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote:  G >...resurrection of POSIX support...Alpha Linux application binaries toa runf  E I've been nagging that affinity is nothing whitout FX!32 but if LinuxrJ programs can be run in VMS then never mind Win-stuff.                  /OK   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2000 14:12:16 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)J Subject: Re: OpenVMS commentaries (was Re: Gartner commentary on Wildfire)6 Message-ID: <8ggo00$qc7$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  V In article <8ggk03$ohr$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>, Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi> writes:' :Bill Todd <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote:O :I% :>...resurrection of POSIX support...y  F   Something like this is underway, and an internal baselevel of POSIX F   is back on-line for internal testing and development as part of the E   related engineering effort involved in the new project.  (There are.C   presently no plans to release another version of POSIX, but therebC   are plans for something that addresses similar issues and needs.)o   ( :Alpha Linux application binaries to run  E   Binary-level emulation (Linux images on OpenVMS) isn't in the plan.-  F   Running parallel instances or parallel partitions (OpenVMS and LinuxE   running in the same box) is something that is somewhat more likely.o  F :I've been nagging that affinity is nothing whitout FX!32 but if Linux6 :programs can be run in VMS then never mind Win-stuff.  G   FX!32 provided translation/emulation for Win32 Intel binaries for usenG   on Windows NT Alpha.  Of all the things that have been included under 4   the Affinity moniker, I can't say I've seen FX!32.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:10:28 GMTo From: d.webb@mdx.ac.ukJ Subject: Re: OpenVMS commentaries (was Re: Gartner commentary on Wildfire)) Message-ID: <8gh2dl$jsf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  6 In article <8ggo00$qc7$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,&   hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote: >a: > In article <8ggk03$ohr$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>, Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi> writes: ) > :Bill Todd <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote:s > :r' > :>...resurrection of POSIX support...s > G >   Something like this is underway, and an internal baselevel of POSIXaG >   is back on-line for internal testing and development as part of thetG >   related engineering effort involved in the new project.  (There aretE >   presently no plans to release another version of POSIX, but there E >   are plans for something that addresses similar issues and needs.)  > * > :Alpha Linux application binaries to run >hG >   Binary-level emulation (Linux images on OpenVMS) isn't in the plan.m >t  F Binary level emulation isn't needed as long as porting is made as easyE as possible and results in code that runs without a large performance  penalty.    H >   Running parallel instances or parallel partitions (OpenVMS and LinuxG >   running in the same box) is something that is somewhat more likely.@ >lH > :I've been nagging that affinity is nothing whitout FX!32 but if Linux8 > :programs can be run in VMS then never mind Win-stuff. >-E >   FX!32 provided translation/emulation for Win32 Intel binaries for@ use-C >   on Windows NT Alpha.  Of all the things that have been included7 underC6 >   the Affinity moniker, I can't say I've seen FX!32. >d  E When Affinity was first announced it sounded like the WNT API's woulde9 be ported to VMS so that windows programs could be easilyhC ported to VMS. All the publicity seemed to be about how close thesen operating systems were.dG All we got was a third party API library missing huge chunks of the APId, which cost an arm and a leg to develop with.  H When FX!32 was developed it seemed only natural to hope that the initialE promise of the Affinity program might be resurrected through an FX!32u for VMS.  C As it is for many/most VMS users the affinity program has deliveredc absolutely nothing.b  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University            4 >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion --------------------------- 1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering  hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >- >-    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:18:37 +0200-= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>@9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS the last OS without JAVA Script 1.2? ) Message-ID: <392B905D.49B8FDC2@gtech.com>0   d.webb@mdx.ac.uk wrote: + > In article <392910BF.F3F79A7B@gtech.com>,lB >   Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote:: > > JDK 1.2.2 is available for almost all platforms except > > VMS. > >t- > > But it is in beta test and it looks good.    > But oh so late.o   Yes.  1 But I see it as a sign of that Compaq is doing itd better now.t   Look:e   - JDK 1.2.2 in betaq   - Apache in beta   - Mozilla in betad   - new graphics drivers   - WildFire announcement.A   - huge interest at Compaq for user input to future VMS versions   ? Everything is not perefct, but it looks as if they are trying !h   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:21:29 +0200:= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> 9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS the last OS without JAVA Script 1.2?:) Message-ID: <392B9108.B66BB76E@gtech.com>n   Rudolf Wingert wrote: 7 >> I assume you mean JDK 1.2.2 / Java 2 (never heard of- >> versions of JavaScript).c > L > No I do mean JAVA script 1.2. JAVA script do function on OpenVMS Alpha and > VAX, but in an old version.s  D >         <script LANGUAGE="JavaScript1.2" SRC="./rollover.j<script> > " > As far as you see JavaScript1.2.  & OK, then I have learned something new.  6 But as someone lese have noticed, then JS is a browser feature not an OS feature.  	 Question:h  B Is JS 1.2 supported in NS 3.x on other platforms but not ion VMS ?F Or is it just NS 3.x on VMS that is not as uptodate as NS 4.x on other platforms ?e  H In case of the latter, then it is well-known that the missing NS/VMS 4.xB is a huge problem, but that VMS will be up to speed with Mozilla !   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 24 May 2000 19:23:04 +0100O From: pmoreau@dev.ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.64.40)i0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS, and PowerStorm 300 and 350  Message-ID: <qkv29MLvZdWd@sable>  > In article <8gef88$v1a$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" % <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:mK > MMOV V2.2 has been submitted to manufacturing, and will be out on CONDISTBL > shortly.  We are in the process of having it put onto a CD which will shipN > with the Ensoniq sound card.  I'll let you know when we find a way to get it > onto the Web.    Thanks for the info.   Patrickh -- /O ===============================================================================2O pmoreau@cena.dgac.fr  (CENA)     ______      ___   _           (Patrick MOREAU)R4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================h   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 06:59:54 GMTd0 From: carlini@true.lkg.dec.com (Antonio Carlini): Subject: Re: Tape Data Recovery (was Re: Need urgent help)* Message-ID: <8gfu22$irv@usenet.pa.dec.com>  @ In article <392AE335.EB813F2C@ohio.edu>, piccard@ohio.edu wrote:  ; >The fact that "special firmware" even exists for the data mA >recovery firms to use is what bugs me -- why isn't that firmware  >available to customers? r  M Assuming that special firmware does exist, then I presume the answer is that :K it requires specialist knowledge or maybe it just doesn't work most of the >5 time or maybe you can get data back but not reliably.r  L If it makes you feel better, I've never heard of anyone within DEC (the CSC L for example) having access to this firmware either. So I would suspect that M either it doesn't exists or that its use is so highly specialised that it is -L not worth bothering with unless it is your life's work. AFAIK, if you go to N the CSC and beg for you data back on a modern DLT they'll point you at a data L recovery specialist and have done for some time. Bear in mind that when the N Open University in the UK suffered a major fire many years back, DEC arranged M for their RA82 (?) disks to be sent back to DEC's factory in Germany to have XN the data recovered from the smoke-covered platters. (All at DEC's expense and M very good publicity too, IIRC). So if COMPAQ *could* get your data back, I'm   sure COMPAQ would.  M (Of course, the group(s) that built tape drives and disks are long gone now).s  @ >I don't think this approach is a trade-off for 20 GB with DLT, = >the behavior in question started, if I understand correctly,i >with the TK-50.  I I believe that you are correct about the TK50 being the start of it all. -I Certainly I remember warning floating around at the time that these were  0 different to 9 track and INIT really meant INIT.  O Back in those days, 95MB on a small cart was pretty neat; although, given that uN my first exposure was on a uVAX II with a 150MB RD54, it was not as "neat" as  it could have been :-)   Antonion    I Antonio Carlini                            Mail: carlini@true.lkg.dec.com # DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS Engineeringm6 COMPAQ                                     Reading, UK   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2000 12:24:56 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman): Subject: Re: Tape Data Recovery (was Re: Need urgent help)6 Message-ID: <8gghmo$o35$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  X In article <392AE335.EB813F2C@ohio.edu>, "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> writes:; :The fact that "special firmware" even exists for the data mA :recovery firms to use is what bugs me -- why isn't that firmware: :available to customers? o  F   Development and diagnostic firmware (and software) is often not madeF   available, as it can do things that you don't want a real product toE   be doing.  Some of these additional features might be expected and l&   useful, and some are definitely not.  @ In article <3929A12C.303BA833@ohio.edu>, piccard@ohio.edu wrote: : M :        Can you provide any enlightenment as to the reasoning that produced s9 :the crippled customer firmware in these modern drives?  l  J   The standard firmware is used everywhere other than within the product'sI   engineering group and within the group(s) performing engineering-level sJ   testing and diagnostic activities with the products (eg: data recovery, "   device repair and testing, etc).    :It doesn't take muchcG :of an inclination toward conspiracy theory to lead to speculation thata? :DEC did it, and Compaq continues it, in order to make businessn, :opportunities for the data recovery people.  E   I, for one, would not want the drive to be able to go past the EOT tE   marker, except in very specific circumstances.  (I can immediately iG   think of only two reasons to go poking around past the EOT: for data nD   recovery after an errant write/update/EOT operation, and for data    scavenging.)  J   Have you ever tried to reposition an "ancient" nine-track magnetic tape F   to a position past a bad spot, or past the EOT?  Things can get veryG   entertaining with maintaining the vacuum in the columns (or with the tE   tensioning arms, if you really want to show your age) and with the eG   tape positioning logic, and it's not even clear that the data itself PF   is readable -- unless you happen to start reading in the right spot.I   (You could easily reposition right into the middle of a bad spot, too.)t   ..H :        It should not be all that hard to have the drive switch over toG :read-only as soon as you give the set magtape command to skip over the  :Logical End of Tape.n  F   True, but of what added value is this feature, and particularly how G   does the value of this feature trade-off against the added risks and fG   the added support and testing costs?  (And this assumes that you will-F   get something useful back when this feature does "work", of course.)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2000 09:33:35 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)  Subject: Re: Text to PDF utility. Message-ID: <8gg7lf$sek$1@info.service.rug.nl>  x In article <20f2b0b2.def84ab5@usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com>, Chris Doran <chrisj.doranNOchSPAM@physics.org.invalid> writes:  2 >In article <392A35E0.F57F3459@ust.hk>, Wayne Yung ><iswayne@ust.hk> writes:n >>' >>I'm looking for a text to PDF module.  >u3 >http://www.codecuts.com/mainpage.asp?WebPageID=156u> >or via http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lab/4247/ which >has HTML to PDF.r  ( For converting text to PostScript I use   9    $  CONVERT/DOCUMENT <input>/FORM=TEXT <output>/FORM=PSo  E (actually a short .COM file which takes two arguments).  Perhaps PDF n$ could be added as a FORM to CONVERT?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 07:34:22 -0500 " From: Earl Lakia <lakia@ipact.com>  Subject: Re: Text to PDF utility) Message-ID: <392BCC4D.127E567B@ipact.com>o  E Contact Adobe and get adobe acrobat.  It's only about $500.00 for the D ability to create the documents.  Let me know if you need to convert Runoff files to PDF.   -earla   Phillip Helbig wrote:e  z > In article <20f2b0b2.def84ab5@usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com>, Chris Doran <chrisj.doranNOchSPAM@physics.org.invalid> writes: >i4 > >In article <392A35E0.F57F3459@ust.hk>, Wayne Yung > ><iswayne@ust.hk> writes:r > >>) > >>I'm looking for a text to PDF module.g > > 5 > >http://www.codecuts.com/mainpage.asp?WebPageID=156g@ > >or via http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Lab/4247/ which > >has HTML to PDF.i >e) > For converting text to PostScript I usea >g; >    $  CONVERT/DOCUMENT <input>/FORM=TEXT <output>/FORM=PS- >-F > (actually a short .COM file which takes two arguments).  Perhaps PDF& > could be added as a FORM to CONVERT?   --
 Earl D. Lakias0 Senior Staff Engineer         Web: www.ipact.com4 Snail Mail:                   Email: lakia@ipact.com
 IPACT Inc.1 260 S. Campbell St.           Phone: 219-464-7212s Valparaiso, IN 46383   ------------------------------  / Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:05:41 +0200 (MET DST) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@FOM.FGAN.DE>1 Subject: Re: Unsupported adapters within the DS20 / Message-ID: <200005240507.HAA02900@fom.fgan.de>    Hello,  H thanks to Terry Kennedy for his answer. Is there any installation guide,G procedure to install the IDE-CDrom? I think the performance of IDE <-->hD CDrom is ok and I will win a free SCSI channel. Also I did see, thatH there is an USB adpater in. Is it possible to support USB under OpenVMS,6 that would be a solution for a multi-seat workstation.   TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:30:52 GMTe( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>1 Subject: Re: Unsupported adapters within the DS20 ' Message-ID: <Fv253G.6HF@spcuna.spc.edu>   ( Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> writes:J > thanks to Terry Kennedy for his answer. Is there any installation guide,I > procedure to install the IDE-CDrom? I think the performance of IDE <--> 1 > CDrom is ok and I will win a free SCSI channel.p  K   On my DS10, the IDE CD-ROM is identified as a "COMPAQ  CDR-8435". I don'twK know what the order code is for this as a separate device, or even if it isw available that way.s  K   Note that there is a bit of leeway in the IDE/ATAPI spec, and random wid-)- gets (as Hoff would say) may or may not work.s  K   I'm also unclear on what you mean by "win a free SCSI channel" - the widenL SCSI found in the current crop of Digital/Compaq adapters support 15 devicesE per bus, and some (like the KZPCM-DA) contain 2 buses per controller.A   > Also I did see, thatJ > there is an USB adpater in. Is it possible to support USB under OpenVMS,8 > that would be a solution for a multi-seat workstation.  K   Yes, USB support is available via an "early adopter's kit" for VMS V7.1-2cE (note - that's 7.1-2, not the current V7.2-1). For more details, see:   X http://ftp.service.digital.com/patches/public/vms/axp/v7.1-2/vms712_usb-v0100.CVRLET_TXT  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.comP5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAa   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2000 15:12:02 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)1 Subject: Re: Unsupported adapters within the DS20e, Message-ID: <8ggrg2$bhb@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  R In article <Fv0pKt.9Br@spcuna.spc.edu>, Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> writes:K >  I don't know why the DS20 doesn't use its IDE ports. The DS10 comes withgK >an IDE CD-ROM and can be configured with IDE hard disks. Of course, you'll " >get better performance with SCSI.  L Yes, but it will cost you more than IDE will.  $200 will put an IDE disk in K a DS10, but it's more like $600 to get working scsi.  For linux I don't seetK much of a performance difference between SCIS and IDE for everyday use, butbK that's because they have a lot of memory and most things are cached.  SincepH VMS doesn't cache this way, I suspect IDE would have a more deleterious 
 effect there.p  G The current prices for Intraserver cards for various OS's are availablee here:   @   http://www.intraserver-store.com/ultra2-lvd-scsi-adapters.html  J where you'll find a ITI-6100U2 for OpenVMS and Tru64 for $300.00, which isG $80 more than the Linux/Intel/Alpha/Sparc, WNT, OS/2, etc. variants.  I K don't know what the difference between the cards is, if any.  Similar price-H hikes for Compaq's own OS's apply for all intraserver cards.  Don't feelK bad though, the Solaris/Sparc variants cost even more!  Looks like the cost$J of writing the driver is being amortized into the costs of the OS specific boards.   G Just for kicks I tried to boot OpenVMS (7.2-1) from the CDROM on a DS10eJ with a Linux/ Alpha ITI-6100 card.  It complained that it didn't recognizeE the SCSI adapter, which suggests that these cards return some sort oftH special ID that the driver recognizes.  Maybe there are real differencesH between these controllers other than that, or maybe its like the bad oldJ days, when VMS would only recognize "DEC" drives.  You know, the ones withK the firmware that changed the ID string, but not apparently anything else. -  F It would be nice if Compaq just sent Intraserver a check to cover the I driver development costs for its OS's.  Since they're reselling the cardsHH anyway, it could be part of that deal and in my book qualifies as an OS  development cost.  1  G Other than the OpenVMS tax, I've been very pleased with the intraserver  controllers I've used.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edun? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech s   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2000 12:46:38 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)O Subject: Re: USB and IDE on DS20 (was Re: Unsupported adapters within the DS20)y6 Message-ID: <8ggive$ob5$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  X In article <200005240507.HAA02900@fom.fgan.de>, Rudolf Wingert <win@FOM.FGAN.DE> writes: ..F :Is there any installation guide, procedure to install the IDE-CDrom?   @   Donno.  Look in the user's guide for the AlphaServer DS20 box.B   (Also make sure you have the current ECOs for V7.1-2 or V7.2-1.)  G :...Also I did see, that there is an USB adpater in. Is it possible to oF :support USB under OpenVMS, that would be a solution for a multi-seat 
 :workstation.h  D   Multi-seat is not available as yet, though this addition is under G   discussion -- USB solves the central problem of connecting the extra eA   keyboards and mice needed to create a multi-seat workstation.     F   Multi-headed workstations has been available for a while, of course.  G   Note that some Alpha systems that have USB hardware do not currently s+   have USB support in the console firmware.e  I   There is an early adopter's USB ECO kit around for V7.1-2, if you want _K   to play with USB on OpenVMS Alpha -- USB kits for other OpenVMS releases  I   (and USB support) probably won't appear any earlier than sometime next -G   year -- subject to sorting out all of the USB hardware, firmware and o.   software support issues that can be lurking.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 02:35:06 -0400b* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>% Subject: VMS mail and rooted logicalsp- Message-ID: <392B781A.D1221D24@tsoft-inc.com>o  O Was sending a VMS mail message to a user account with a rooted logical used forkO the device name in the SYSUAF record.  It wasn't delivered, complained about anp= invalid device name.  VAX/VMS V5.2.  Is this a known problem?C   Dave   -- i4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com1 Vanderbilt, PA  15486=   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2000 12:49:35 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)) Subject: Re: VMS mail and rooted logicalsf6 Message-ID: <8ggj4v$ob5$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Z In article <392B781A.D1221D24@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:P :Was sending a VMS mail message to a user account with a rooted logical used forP :the device name in the SYSUAF record.  It wasn't delivered, complained about an> :invalid device name.  VAX/VMS V5.2.  Is this a known problem?  D   MAIL to SYSTEM works, right?  (SYSTEM has a rooted logical name asJ   the login directory.)  If it does work, look at exactly how the logical G   name used by SYSTEM is set up, and compare it to the failing logical N   name definition options.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:13:57 +1000a1 From: "Geoffrey Sinclair" <grsinclair@one.net.au> ) Subject: Re: VMS mail and rooted logicals & Message-ID: <392bd390@pink.one.net.au>  D David A Froble wrote in message <392B781A.D1221D24@tsoft-inc.com>...L >Was sending a VMS mail message to a user account with a rooted logical used fortG >the device name in the SYSUAF record.  It wasn't delivered, complainedr about an> >invalid device name.  VAX/VMS V5.2.  Is this a known problem?    > Mail is a privileged program, it will only trust logical names> defined system exec, look at the definition of the SYS$MANAGER; logical name.  Send a mail message to SYSTEM, it should get=3 through and look where the mail file for SYSTEM is.    Geoffrey Sinclair    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:19:26 -0400M* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>) Subject: Re: VMS mail and rooted logicals - Message-ID: <392BE4EE.E88454A5@tsoft-inc.com>_   Hoff Hoffman wrote:G > \ > In article <392B781A.D1221D24@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:R > :Was sending a VMS mail message to a user account with a rooted logical used forR > :the device name in the SYSUAF record.  It wasn't delivered, complained about an@ > :invalid device name.  VAX/VMS V5.2.  Is this a known problem? > F >   MAIL to SYSTEM works, right?  (SYSTEM has a rooted logical name asK >   the login directory.)  If it does work, look at exactly how the logical@H >   name used by SYSTEM is set up, and compare it to the failing logical >   name definition options. > P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   and    Geoffrey Sinclair wrote:  E >David A Froble wrote in message <392B781A.D1221D24@tsoft-inc.com>...eM >>Was sending a VMS mail message to a user account with a rooted logical used  foryH >>the device name in the SYSUAF record.  It wasn't delivered, complained about an? >>invalid device name.  VAX/VMS V5.2.  Is this a known problem?o    ? >Mail is a privileged program, it will only trust logical namesi? >defined system exec, look at the definition of the SYS$MANAGER < >logical name.  Send a mail message to SYSTEM, it should get4 >through and look where the mail file for SYSTEM is.   >Geoffrey Sinclair  L Yep, mail to system worked, and Geoffrey had the answer.  Changed the rooted! logical and all is well.  Thanks.k   Dave   -- r4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.coma Vanderbilt, PA  15486A   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2000 15:20:45 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)) Subject: Re: VMS mail and rooted logicalsT. Message-ID: <8ggs0d$5j8$2@info.service.rug.nl>  : In article <392bd390@pink.one.net.au>, "Geoffrey Sinclair"  <grsinclair@one.net.au> writes:   ? >Mail is a privileged program, it will only trust logical names   	 For what?    >defined system exec,   9 Won't MAIL use a supervisor-mode logical for SYS$SCRATCH?5   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 00:33:46 -0400r* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?, Message-ID: <392B5BAA.62DE7FE@tsoft-inc.com>   Phillip Helbig wrote:i > 9 > In article <39295E15.B13A0DAB@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellynn# > <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:  > Q > >> >: The only thing worth copying from windows is possibly the UI style guide.T > >> >L > >> >  I've always been puzzled by the decision to put the make-big and theM > >> >  make-small buttons right next to the make-it-go-away button.  I can'toM > >> >  count the number of times I've blown away an application by virtue ofi' > >> >  a "near miss" on these buttons.i > >> >D > >> >  Me?  I'd much rather keep the original X style guide around. > >sG > >Yes, but if there was an option for a Windows style UI it might helpo/ > >those coming from a Windows only background.  > J > I've been away awhile due to a job interview and missed the beginning ofA > this thread (I MIGHT get a job where I will be in a POSITION TOfJ > INFLUENCE WHETHER OR NOT VMS SYSTEMS ARE BOUGHT---ADVICE PLEASE!!!!!!!!)  J Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.  As always, a computerO suould be selected based upon the application requirements.  If the requirementrN is working on word documents, you won't be doing a good job recommending VMS. ? Such positions can be challenging, forcing you to be practical.g  J > Folks, GET A LIFE!  Maybe if Porsche wants to increase sales they shouldG > replace their Porsche engines with VW engines since more people drivem > VWs and are used to them.r  P Definitely not a good comparison.  It's not the engine in question, it's whetherL the steering wheel, petals, and other controls are in familiar locations and work in a familiar manner.  J > VMS should be VMS.  Make no apologies, take no prisoners.  Only an LKxxxE > keyboard is a real keyboard.  DECwindows/Motif forever (except wheng > logged in at a trusty VT).  L Gotta agree on the keyboard.  I avoid DECwindows.  Not needed in what I do.  Possibly excellant for others.  I > People are resisting moving from microsoft to VMS because of the windowoG > manager!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Wake up and smell the coffee!!!!!!!!!!!!w > H > Right, you could make VMS look just like windows and maybe some people& > would switch, but what's the point?!  M The points are, a more secure and robust system for the users, but only if itfK does what they require.  You do one thing with computers, I do another, and P others have even different requirenments.  If a VMS system provides the requiredN functionality, as does a wintel system, and the user must decide on robustnessM and security vs the user interface he's used to, the VMS system might not getoL chosen.  Remove that point of contention, and the VMS system (all else beingP equal) should win every time.  100% isn't obtainable, for various reasons, but a& high percentage of wins is obtainable.  P We're not talking 'just like windows', we're talking a UI that will allow a userO to use already existing skills.  Maybe the two are the same, maybe not.  If you-M don't think that managers place significant emphisis on the training requireddM for new employees, and that their perception is that most people know windoz,5M then it's time for you to wake up and smell the coffee.  This is prevelant ini	 business.-   Dave   -- $4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.comE Vanderbilt, PA  15486n   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2000 09:39:24 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?. Message-ID: <8gg80c$sek$2@info.service.rug.nl>  ; In article <392B5BAA.62DE7FE@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froblep <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:   K >Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.  As always, a computereP >suould be selected based upon the application requirements.  If the requirementO >is working on word documents, you won't be doing a good job recommending VMS. a  C If the requirement is writing stuff, then LaTeX on VMS might be an CE alternative to WORD.  If the requirement is running a WWW server, it o@ shouldn't matter to customers if it's VMS (except for security,  reliability etc).   Q >We're not talking 'just like windows', we're talking a UI that will allow a user<P >to use already existing skills.  Maybe the two are the same, maybe not.  If youN >don't think that managers place significant emphisis on the training requiredN >for new employees, and that their perception is that most people know windoz,N >then it's time for you to wake up and smell the coffee.  This is prevelant in
 >business.  I I really find it hard to believe that "training" is required to click on v a button in another place.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:55:57 +0100 8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>  Subject: RE: VMS on the desktop?L Message-ID: <B8D7D072032FD411BE7A0090279FA2401ED574@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  G >> If the requirement is for (non-technical) people to be able to writen= >> documents, LaTeX cannot compete with a package like WORD. i  C >Helmut Kopka and Patrick Daly, authors of one of the main books on0I >LaTeX, work at a Max Planck Institute where the ENTIRE staff uses LaTeX.:G >I think this is sensible at a scientific institute as there is less of02 >a barrier between scientific and clerical staff.   > We, too, find LaTeX gives better layout control for scientificJ documentation. It would also have been true at one time that everyone hereI used TeX/LaTeX for producing documentation. However, GUI packages are theaL norm now and I very much doubt whether there is any institution now in whichI all documentation production is done with LaTeX but I'm certain that most-K companies and individuals now use some GUI package for producing documents.e   John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)y   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2000 12:07:36 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?6 Message-ID: <8gggm8$ne7$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  c In article <8geefn$8tr$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:aH :Well, the actual design reason was to create a cheap web server "brick"J :(which in fact was its code name).  The concept was to have these racked K :and stacked, backside (connector) out front.  Apparently dual rail LAN is I! :an advantage in a web server ;-)a :oB :David Mathog wrote in message <8g3jsg$4l6@gap.cco.caltech.edu>...H :>In article <8g1gc0$csg@fidoii.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, "dls2" <dls2@Lehigh.EDU> :writes:= :>>Why has Compaq seen fit to release the DS10L machines withw( :>>two 10/100Mbps ethernet connecters?    B   Management and monitoring on one (usually more secure) LAN, and 2   the general network (http) traffic on the other.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:57:56 GMTa% From: Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com>a  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?) Message-ID: <8ggjkb$89n$1@nnrp1.deja.com>o  ) In article <39295E15.B13A0DAB@bbc.co.uk>,t    tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk wrote:G > Tim, who rescued a real pucker VT420 (not the Wyse 60 clones that aren mostly whattC > we get around here) the other day and was back in late 80's LK401p heaven again for > a short while.  B At a few critical places we still have real VT terminals connectedA to real DECServer 200s using LAT to talk to the VMS systems. ThateE way when (not if) some part of the PC network (routers, NT, whatever)iG goes down critical operations can continue. I am sure we are not alone.c  C If I hunt hard enough I might even be able to find a genuine VT100.e --
 Alan Greig    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.a   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2000 15:19:07 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?. Message-ID: <8ggrtb$5j8$1@info.service.rug.nl>  4 In article <8ggjkb$89n$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Alan Greig <agreig@my-deja.com> writes: 4  C >At a few critical places we still have real VT terminals connected B >to real DECServer 200s using LAT to talk to the VMS systems. ThatF >way when (not if) some part of the PC network (routers, NT, whatever)H >goes down critical operations can continue. I am sure we are not alone.   Ah, yes.  D >If I hunt hard enough I might even be able to find a genuine VT100.  " I'm lucky enough to have a VT 102.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:19:54 -0400D, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?> Message-ID: <hshubs-16BB04.12195424052000@news.mindspring.com>  C In article <8ggrtb$5j8$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl d wrote:  " >I'm lucky enough to have a VT 102  C You don't like later versions?  Personally, I'm very happy with my nG VT420, but I'm open to being convinced that the VT500 series is better.    -- n Howard S Shubs, the Denim Adepts   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:15:00 +0000 (   )r3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>e  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10005241513100.15858-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  * On Wed, 24 May 2000, David A Froble wrote:  R > We're not talking 'just like windows', we're talking a UI that will allow a userQ > to use already existing skills.  Maybe the two are the same, maybe not.  If yousO > don't think that managers place significant emphisis on the training requiredTO > for new employees, and that their perception is that most people know windoz, O > then it's time for you to wake up and smell the coffee.  This is prevelant ina > business.u  D I have to argue against the use of the word "skills" to describe theG ability to push a piece of plastic around and press a(only one, this isr windows, remember) button.   Regards,   Chriso  O ===============================================================================e@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmerd Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.i% ------------------------------------- I "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes andcH weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949  O -------------------------------------------------------------------------------e   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2000 17:05:38 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?. Message-ID: <8gh252$7ij$1@info.service.rug.nl>  G In article <hshubs-16BB04.12195424052000@news.mindspring.com>, Howard S & Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> writes:   D >In article <8ggrtb$5j8$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl  >wrote:S >a# >>I'm lucky enough to have a VT 102p >t! >You don't like later versions?  -  H I have one of these, about 15 VT320s.  :-)  Also a 430 (I believe---the  colour one) and a 510.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 00:39:03 -0400-* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>* Subject: Re: Volume Shadowing for Dummies?- Message-ID: <392B5CE7.B1F15B4C@tsoft-inc.com>p   John Nixon wrote:1 > H > If you make sure you have properly closed all files on the disk before! > shutting down (thus dismountinghL > the shadow set), then when you remount the shadow set, it will not need to > rebuild itself.m > L > If files are open when you shut down, or if you have a system crash on any > cluster node with the shadow5 > set mounted, all shadow sets will initiate a merge.  > N > Running a system with a shadow set is quite easy.  Shadowing the system disk > takes a few extra steps,) > but the shadowing manual is quite good.r > J > If you really feel you need a "dummies" book, maybe you should look into# > Billy Boxes instead of VMS boxes.$ >  > John,m  P Kinda harsh there John.  There's many things in VMS where there are manuals, butN a 2-3 paragraph condensation of the relavent points can be very helpful.  I'veN never used shadowing, and if I was to do so, such a short how-to writeup would be helpful.m  N But you do have a point.  Chosing VMS means you're NOT a dummie, and therefore& the request was improperly worded. :-)   Dave   -- l4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.coma Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:39:23 GMT-/ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>e* Subject: Re: Volume Shadowing for Dummies?F Message-ID: <LbPW4.2129$hL1.140696@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  G I stand corrected.  I don't mean to be harsh towards someone asking foro help.g, I too appreciate a few hints to get started.  7 "David A Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in messaget' news:392B5CE7.B1F15B4C@tsoft-inc.com...s > John Nixon wrote:  > >aJ > > If you make sure you have properly closed all files on the disk before# > > shutting down (thus dismountingiK > > the shadow set), then when you remount the shadow set, it will not needr to > > rebuild itself.  > >tJ > > If files are open when you shut down, or if you have a system crash on anyR  > > cluster node with the shadow7 > > set mounted, all shadow sets will initiate a merge.m > >iK > > Running a system with a shadow set is quite easy.  Shadowing the system  disk > > takes a few extra steps,+ > > but the shadowing manual is quite good.> > >jL > > If you really feel you need a "dummies" book, maybe you should look into% > > Billy Boxes instead of VMS boxes.  > >t	 > > John,8 >DE > Kinda harsh there John.  There's many things in VMS where there are  manuals, butJ > a 2-3 paragraph condensation of the relavent points can be very helpful. I'veJ > never used shadowing, and if I was to do so, such a short how-to writeup wouldv
 > be helpful.V >VF > But you do have a point.  Chosing VMS means you're NOT a dummie, and	 therefore ( > the request was improperly worded. :-) >r > Dave >d > --6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596= > 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com- > Vanderbilt, PA  15486-   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:18:04 GMTn From: itjck01@my-deja.comc* Subject: Re: Volume Shadowing for Dummies?) Message-ID: <8ggrqq$ekf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>2  > In article <230520001652576605%spencer@recneps.spaamfree.com>,6   David Spencer <spencer@recneps.spaamfree.com> wrote:H > I've added a pair of identical disks to one of my systems so I thought- > that I'd play around with volume shadowing.a <snip>  8 If you have not looked at the documentation available atB http://www.openvms.digital.com:8000/721final/5423/5423pro.html forF OpenVMS 7.2-1 volume shadowing, perhaps you will find some help there.= I believe 7.1 and 7.2 docs are available also at the website.   G Only other thing I have to offer in addition to the prior posts is thate= if you had a third disk, such that you have a 3 member volumeaG shadowset, that remaking of the third member from the master and secondoE member can be quicker from my experience.  I attribute this to 2 disk D spindles providing disk reads (less rotational latency) to the thirdF member as it writes and shadows in.  This also only appears to be trueG if the volume shadowset is not undergoing writes, which slows it down a G bit since a write has to happen on the member disks for I/O completion.n   :) jck   --$ Free personal opinion is what I post    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:48:27 -0700u3 From: David Spencer <spencer@recneps.spaamfree.com>-* Subject: Re: Volume Shadowing for Dummies?> Message-ID: <240520000848274826%spencer@recneps.spaamfree.com>  F In article <8ggrqq$ekf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, <itjck01@my-deja.com> wrote:  @ > In article <230520001652576605%spencer@recneps.spaamfree.com>,8 >   David Spencer <spencer@recneps.spaamfree.com> wrote:J > > I've added a pair of identical disks to one of my systems so I thought/ > > that I'd play around with volume shadowing.w > <snip> > : > If you have not looked at the documentation available atD > http://www.openvms.digital.com:8000/721final/5423/5423pro.html forH > OpenVMS 7.2-1 volume shadowing, perhaps you will find some help there.? > I believe 7.1 and 7.2 docs are available also at the website.  > I > Only other thing I have to offer in addition to the prior posts is thatt? > if you had a third disk, such that you have a 3 member volumeeI > shadowset, that remaking of the third member from the master and secondoG > member can be quicker from my experience.  I attribute this to 2 diskaF > spindles providing disk reads (less rotational latency) to the thirdH > member as it writes and shadows in.  This also only appears to be trueI > if the volume shadowset is not undergoing writes, which slows it down aoI > bit since a write has to happen on the member disks for I/O completion.c  G Thank you for the reply. I neglected to mention that I am running 7.2-1nG and that I have read the manual. The documentation is good but it isn'taE quite a cookbook; and it doesn't offer the real-life perspective thats; folks living with the software on a daily basis might have.n  A I wish that I had the cabinet space to add yet another disk - theh workstation is now full!  D The previous poster's nugget about disolving the shadow-set prior toD a reboot might be fruitful - provided I can write some DCL code thatE will reverse some image installs prior to shutdown. Fortunately thesel disks are not the system disk.   Your insights are appreciated.   Dave Spencer   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2000 14:47:58 GMT6 From: DAVISM@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael T. Davis) Subject: What's PR_SLOWHZ?: Message-ID: <8ggq2u$1nb$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  F 	We're using TCP/IP Services v5.0A under OpenVMS v7.2-1.  I would likeI to use the setsockopt routine to set the TCP_KEEPINIT option of a socket. O Compaq's online documentation states the following for the TCP_KEEPINIT option:r  ? 	    Specifies the number of seconds to wait before the connectcE 	    attempt times out. Default: 75 seconds. For passive connections, ? 	    the value is inherited from the listening socket. Takes anwB 	    integer value in the range of 1 to n, where n is TCP_KEEPINIT 	    divided by PR_SLOWHZ.  L What's PR_SLOWHZ?  I find a number of references to it in the documentation,; but I can't find its definition (or where to determine it).i   Thanks,s  Mikea --K              Michael T. Davis              |    Systems Specialist: ChE,MSErN   E-mail: davism@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu    | Departmental Networking/ComputingJ            -or- DAVISM+@osu.edu            |     The Ohio State UniversityJ http://www.er6.eng.ohio-state.edu/~davism/ |     197 Watts, (614) 292-6928   ------------------------------  / Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:16:06 +0200 (MET DST)5& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>K Subject: Re: Why does a set default to a searchlist logical keep the formerr/ Message-ID: <200005240518.HAA03286@fom.fgan.de>e   Hello,  B there are a few known restriction with the SET DEFAULT command andC logicals and AFAIK Compaq recommands, that you use the logical with-A a doublepoint ($SET DEFAULT relcls:). Did you do so? Do this formaB anything other? We did see also some problems with the SET DEFAULT> command. Since this time we do use every time a logical with a doublepoint.   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:07:09 -0400t  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.comK Subject: Re: Why does a set default to a searchlist logical keep the formerq4 Message-ID: <C22568E9.0057B42D.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  = Doing "SET DEFAULT RELDCLS:" yields the identical result fromt* doing "SET DEFAULT RELDCLS" as it happens.        ) win@fom.fgan.de on 05/24/2000 02:16:06 AM    To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.coma cc:tL Subject:  Re: Why does a set default to a searchlist logical keep the former         Hello,  B there are a few known restriction with the SET DEFAULT command andC logicals and AFAIK Compaq recommands, that you use the logical withuA a doublepoint ($SET DEFAULT relcls:). Did you do so? Do this formnB anything other? We did see also some problems with the SET DEFAULT> command. Since this time we do use every time a logical with a doublepoint.   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:26:37 +0200d From: Robin.Goerlach@merck.det Subject: X for dummies4 Message-ID: <C12568E9.005A590D.00@dedamsg1.merck.de>   Hi,   P I try do switch my DEC Windows desktop to my NT Box, using X-Win 32 from Starnet something like Eceed.B It gives me1   rsh9	 rexec andD XDMCPt  E I can't use rsh and rexec because UCX 5 has no server for this two sol6 connections are allways refused and I don't know XDMCP any hint or am I wrong ?  L what is XDMCP ? It didn't work by defaults XDM: too many retransmissions ???  P         DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS SERVER Components Configuration Menu           Configuration options:8                  1  -  BIND           Requires TCPIP PAK8                  2  -  BOOTP          Requires TCPIP PAK8                  3  -  TFTP           Requires TCPIP PAK-                  4  -  FTP            Enablede.                  5  -  LPR/LPD        Disabled8                  6  -  NFS            Requires TCPIP PAK8                  7  -  PC-NFS         Requires TCPIP PAK.                  8  -  PORTMAPPER     Disabled-                  9  -  TELNET/RLOGIN  Enabledo.                 10  -  SNMP           Disabled.                 11  -  NTP            Disabled.                 12  -  METRIC         Disabled.                 13  -  POP            Disabled.                 14  -  FINGER         Disabled.                 15  -  RMT            Disabled8                 16  -  LBROKER        Requires TCPIP PAK8                 17  -  DHCP           Requires TCPIP PAK/                  A  -  Configure options 1 - 17l                  [E] -  Exit menu   any help is wellcome Robin.   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2000 17:22:24 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: X for dummies6 Message-ID: <8gh34g$11s$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  T In article <C12568E9.005A590D.00@dedamsg1.merck.de>, Robin.Goerlach@merck.de writes:6 :I try do switch my DEC Windows desktop to my NT Box, 2 :using X-Win 32 from Starnet something like Eceed.  2   eXceed and other packages are X Windows servers.  @   Use the SET DISPLAY command to target the X Windows server for   your X Windows displays.  @   You'll likely have to configure the IP transport for X WindowsD   during the system startup, and then use the SET DISPLAY/TRANSPORT    to specify its use.    :It gives me :- :rsh
 :rexec and :XDMCP :iD :I can't use rsh and rexec because UCX 5 has no server for this two   E   That's odd.  TCP/IP Services has shipped with rsh and rexec client  +   and server support for quite a while now.   : :so connections are allways refused and I don't know XDMCP  E   The XDM stuff is not currently available with TCP/IP Services, but B@   is expected to be present in an upcoming release.  Pending itsC   availability on TCP/IP Services, you will have to (find and then)yF   use an alternative XDM package, or temporarily disable its use with 8   your X Windows server and use explicit authentication.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 23:39:47 -0400e* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>/ Subject: Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"e- Message-ID: <392B4F03.4941EB1A@tsoft-inc.com>    Howard S Shubs wrote:o > : > In article <07akiskgqflv32ub0dicdtjcrriddtli07@4ax.com>,% > news@nospamatall_mustbme.com wrote:g > G > >As I understand it, correct me if I'm wrong, that while "45 Million"jG > >PC's were infected by the latest email virus and it's variants, bothn= > >of the remaining OpenVMS systems escaped without incident?a > ; > Damn straight!  And they're both still running just fine.r >  > --! > Howard S Shubs, the Denim Adepth  P So, how the hell do you know this, when you haven't been to my place to check on them????  P Wait a minute, the original data is out of date.  I currently have 5 vms systemsO powered up.  So it's at least 5 remaining systems.  Seems the meathead is wronge4 by at least a factor of 2.5 to 1, and possibly more.   Dave   -- 04 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.comt Vanderbilt, PA  15486.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 23:43:46 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>/ Subject: Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"I- Message-ID: <392B4FF2.49E86B68@tsoft-inc.com>s  $ alphaman@hsv.sungardtrust.com wrote: > : > In article <07akiskgqflv32ub0dicdtjcrriddtli07@4ax.com>,' >   news@nospamatall_mustbme.com wrote:hH > > As I understand it, correct me if I'm wrong, that while "45 Million"H > > PC's were infected by the latest email virus and it's variants, both> > > of the remaining OpenVMS systems escaped without incident? > >a > > :) > C > Both?  You mean I've got them?  Then where did those 15 other VMSr! > machines come from in my lab???o > H > QUICK!  SOMEONE TELL MY CUSTOMERS!!!!!!  I guess that's not really VMS > they're running... >  > ;^)i > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.   N Darn, I only got 13 VMS systems.  Now I feel left out.  Wait, I have 6 more at@ another site!  How's 19 sound? Anybody else got a better number?   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com= Vanderbilt, PA  15486=   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:59:52 GMTs- From: Lonnie Carreau <Lonnie.Carreau@mci.com>t/ Subject: Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"r' Message-ID: <392BE064.BFEFEC30@mci.com>-  O The 150 or so here that route calls still seem to be running.  Fortunately, for0P our customers, we use VMS for this purpose so that PC IT weenies still get calls routed to their helpdesk.y   -Lonnie    David A Froble wrote:c  & > alphaman@hsv.sungardtrust.com wrote: > >-< > > In article <07akiskgqflv32ub0dicdtjcrriddtli07@4ax.com>,) > >   news@nospamatall_mustbme.com wrote:8J > > > As I understand it, correct me if I'm wrong, that while "45 Million"J > > > PC's were infected by the latest email virus and it's variants, both@ > > > of the remaining OpenVMS systems escaped without incident? > > >d > > > :) > >tE > > Both?  You mean I've got them?  Then where did those 15 other VMSg# > > machines come from in my lab???h > >aJ > > QUICK!  SOMEONE TELL MY CUSTOMERS!!!!!!  I guess that's not really VMS > > they're running... > >a > > ;^)e > >-* > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy.  >aP > Darn, I only got 13 VMS systems.  Now I feel left out.  Wait, I have 6 more atB > another site!  How's 19 sound? Anybody else got a better number? >B > Dave >c > --6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596= > 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.comu > Vanderbilt, PA  15486l   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2000 14:20:39 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)/ Subject: Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"a6 Message-ID: <8ggofn$qc7$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Z In article <392B4FF2.49E86B68@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:M :Darn, I only got 13 VMS systems.  Now I feel left out.  Wait, I have 6 more mD :at another site!  How's 19 sound? Anybody else got a better number?  B   You don't really want me answer to that question, do you?  :-)    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:51:55 GMTn- From: morrisj@epsilon3.comdex (Jay E. Morris)t/ Subject: Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus" 4 Message-ID: <392bde77.1023018205@news.brooks.af.mil>  2 On Tue, 23 May 2000 23:43:46 -0400, David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote: ...... > O >Darn, I only got 13 VMS systems.  Now I feel left out.  Wait, I have 6 more at-A >another site!  How's 19 sound? Anybody else got a better number?o ><F Rats.  Wish I was still at Cape Canavel, then I could say at least 40, but now just 3.P   In case you're interestede  ) http://epsilon3.com/images/pics/smf_a.gif.) http://epsilon3.com/images/pics/smf_b.gifa) http://epsilon3.com/images/pics/smf_c.gifh   --
 Jay E. Morris  System Software Specialist f0 (confuses the PHBs to call us managers or admin)& General Dynamics Communication Systems) for/Epidemiological Surveillance Divisionp Brooks AFB, TX   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:42:35 -0400d, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>/ Subject: Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"t> Message-ID: <hshubs-A84C8F.10423524052000@news.mindspring.com>  = In article <392B4F03.4941EB1A@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble n <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:  J >Wait a minute, the original data is out of date.  I currently have 5 vms  >systemsK >powered up.  So it's at least 5 remaining systems.  Seems the meathead is i  F Nah, they mutated in the night and are now running Linux.  Didn't you  notice?h   >wrong5 >by at least a factor of 2.5 to 1, and possibly more.    Well, maybe.   -- s Howard S Shubs, the Denim Adepts   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:10:42 +0000 (   )a3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>s/ Subject: Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"-J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10005241508190.15858-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  * On Tue, 23 May 2000, David A Froble wrote:  P > Darn, I only got 13 VMS systems.  Now I feel left out.  Wait, I have 6 more atB > another site!  How's 19 sound? Anybody else got a better number?  > No, but add mine to the whole count.  I've got four VAXen.  MyG significant-other has one -- given to her as a present actually.  Those-	 are fine.   H I know of one at a university (yes, really), and have a friend who's got6 at least four going -- well, three vaxen and an alpha.   Regards,   Chris   O ===============================================================================s@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmerr Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.i% -------------------------------------uI "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and4H weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 tO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:24:11 -0500 (EST)e1 From: "Robert J. Slover" <slover@Rose-Hulman.Edu>r/ Subject: Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"iW Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000524122154.21515A-100000@rocinante.admin.rose-hulman.edu>y  7 I have 13 running Vaxen in my cluster, 3 spare, and twol: Alpha VMS machines in the Academic cluster, with one spare8 Alpha VMS workstation.  So 15 running VMS systems, and 4 spare.  Then add the 2 at home.k   --Robert  - On Wed, 24 May 2000, Christopher Smith wrote:   , > On Tue, 23 May 2000, David A Froble wrote: > R > > Darn, I only got 13 VMS systems.  Now I feel left out.  Wait, I have 6 more atD > > another site!  How's 19 sound? Anybody else got a better number? > @ > No, but add mine to the whole count.  I've got four VAXen.  MyI > significant-other has one -- given to her as a present actually.  Thosej > are fine.k > J > I know of one at a university (yes, really), and have a friend who's got8 > at least four going -- well, three vaxen and an alpha. > 
 > Regards, >  > Chrisp > Q > =============================================================================== B > "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)? > Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmer2! > Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.n' > -------------------------------------iK > "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes andtJ > weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes= > and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949  Q > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------a >  >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.289 ************************