1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 25 May 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 290       Contents:( AlphaStation 200 firmware update problem, Re: AlphaStation 200 firmware update problem Capellas supports Microsoft  Re: Capellas supports Microsoft ) Decnet type node::"task=xxx.com" from NT? > Re: Deja.com Moving: Archives May Not Be Available Temporarily Failover NICs for VAX 7800?  Re: Failover NICs for VAX 7800?  FastTrack Error on Startup Re: FTP'ing to a VMS box.  Re: help with VAXstation II/GPX  Re: help with VAXstation II/GPX  Re: help with VAXstation II/GPX  Re: help with VAXstation II/GPX 6 Re: How to export contents of RMS file to .csv format? Re: HP Printer Support Winge# Re: Logical translation aberation ?  Looking for sudo like utility ! Re: Looking for sudo like utility ! Re: Looking for sudo like utility  Memory/System Optimization Re: Memory/System Optimization Re: Memory/System Optimization Re: Memory/System Optimization Re: Memory/System OptimizationA Re: OpenVMS commentaries (was Re: Gartner commentary on Wildfire) , Re: problem setting anonymous ftp in a Alpha Qbus and 3xxx stuff for sale Re: SKC's OpenVMS Viewpoint ! Software Change Requests, how-to? 1 Re: Tape Data Recovery (was Re: Need urgent help)  Re: TCP/IP SNA Gateway Solution   Re: VMS mail and rooted logicals Re: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop? ! Re: Volume Shadowing for Dummies? $ Wildfire memory and installed images( Re: Wildfire memory and installed images& Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"& Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"& Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"& Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:28:50 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com 1 Subject: AlphaStation 200 firmware update problem D Message-ID: <OF48354187.56FB7AF8-ON882568E9.007080B5@foundation.com>  D I have an AlphaStation 200 that currently has ARC 4.56 installed, soH naturally I want to put the SRM console on instead, and load up VMS. I'mG trying to use the "update from FAT floppy" approach as given in the PDF A manual on the Compaq website, and I've downloaded the appropriate 3 fwupdate.exe onto said floppy, but it doesn't work.   H I use the supplimentary menu's "update firmware" option, the screen goesD flat BSOD blue with a message at the top saying it's looking for theG firmware update on CD ROM and floppy. After maybe a minute or two, even K that text disappears and the screen is solid BSOD blue. The floppy does get I accessed during this time. A little while later, the screen goes black as J if there's no video signal (although the LED on the monitor stays green asJ if there is a signal), the keyboard lights flash a little, and the machineI goes completely unresponsive. The only indications it's turned on are the ) light on the front, and the fan whirring.   E I have to power-cycle the box to get it working again, and it's as if I nothing ever happened. An interesting observation that I can't explain is H that I have to also power cycle the monitor, or it stays black even when the machine's running again.   Any ideas anybody?   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:54:10 +0000 (   ) 3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> 5 Subject: Re: AlphaStation 200 firmware update problem J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10005241950390.15858-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  6 On Wed, 24 May 2000 Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:  J > I use the supplimentary menu's "update firmware" option, the screen goesF > flat BSOD blue with a message at the top saying it's looking for theI > firmware update on CD ROM and floppy. After maybe a minute or two, even M > that text disappears and the screen is solid BSOD blue. The floppy does get   8 That's it, it's possessed by NT.  You'll need a shamaan.  G > I have to power-cycle the box to get it working again, and it's as if    See?   > Any ideas anybody?  0 Don't call up that which you cannot put down. ;)   Chris   O =============================================================================== @ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmer  Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL. % ------------------------------------- I "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and H weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949  O -------------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:17:01 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> $ Subject: Capellas supports Microsoft, Message-ID: <392C7F05.9FF00406@videotron.ca>  E Read an article on reuters where Capellas is attributed to supporting " Microsoft and against the breakup.   tidbit from article:J Michael Capellas, the chief executive of PC giant Compaq Computer Corp. onR Wednesday indirectly defended software giant Microsoft Corp.  against a governmentN  proposal to break it up, saying that complexity was an enemy of the Internet.  C http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000524/tc/microsoft_compaq_1.html        F Considering that from our point of view, Compaq benefits more from theG weakness of Microsoft because it can sell more of its (more profitable) G enterprise systems (unix+vms), I am curious as to what sort of strategy M Capellas has with its support of Microsoft. Shouldn't he have at least stayed  silent in this ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 01:23:32 GMT 0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com>( Subject: Re: Capellas supports Microsoft& Message-ID: <Fv3DDF.2ot@world.std.com>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:392C7F05.9FF00406@videotron.ca...G > Read an article on reuters where Capellas is attributed to supporting $ > Microsoft and against the breakup. >  > tidbit from article:L > Michael Capellas, the chief executive of PC giant Compaq Computer Corp. onI > Wednesday indirectly defended software giant Microsoft Corp.  against a 
 governmentF >  proposal to break it up, saying that complexity was an enemy of the	 Internet.  > E > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000524/tc/microsoft_compaq_1.html  >  >  > H > Considering that from our point of view, Compaq benefits more from theI > weakness of Microsoft because it can sell more of its (more profitable) I > enterprise systems (unix+vms), I am curious as to what sort of strategy H > Capellas has with its support of Microsoft. Shouldn't he have at least stayed > silent in this ?  E Yeah, as an outsider, I would have to agree. Recall, if you will, how $ vehemently John Rose defended u$oft.  K It's all beyond me... as an outsider, I'd be rallying for Rich Marcello and  Tim Yeaton....   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 20:26:22 GMT , From: Richard Berthold <berthold@san.rr.com>2 Subject: Decnet type node::"task=xxx.com" from NT?* Message-ID: <38F77EE2.FD6A063E@san.rr.com>  E Is there a way to do the equivalent operation of a DCL-TO-DCL command  from NT?H A system is being converted from VMS to Windows NT and it makes use of a   $type node::"task=xxx.com"  G to invoke a task on the remote system. Unfortunately, the remote system ? is not under our control so it will be difficult to replace the / implementation there with some other mechanism.   H Ideally a solution that does not require DECNET on the NT would be ideal? but if could be done by getting DECNET on the NT that is also a  possibility.  E My apologies if this is a well known question but my access to DECNET ) documentation is currently quite limited.    Thanks in advance,
 Dick Berthold    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:55:20 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>G Subject: Re: Deja.com Moving: Archives May Not Be Available Temporarily 6 Message-ID: <IZZW4.1291$NX3.33125@typhoon.aracnet.com>  . Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote:L > Ah, I suppose the concept of developing the new system while still runningD > the old system in production was beyond their limited imagination?  J Considering they have a habit of making major changes without warning that  make the service less usable....  H One thing that is irritating is that you've got to expend some effort toE determine why you're not able to pull up info you expect to be there.    			Zane    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:49:40 GMT 2 From: "Shrini Arole" <Shrini@spamblocker.home.com>$ Subject: Failover NICs for VAX 7800?: Message-ID: <EM_W4.16366$45.336574@news1.rdc1.tn.home.com>  K Can a VAX 7800 class machine have two Ethernet NICs in a "failover" config?  I am running VMS7.2   J I'm trying to create a redundant system, and so far the only non-redundant component is the NIC.   3 I will run IP, DECNET PHASE V and LAT over the LAN.   E Basically, if one NIC fails, I want the other to take over and things ( continue as if no interruption occurred.K I know I can have two cards with two different addresses, but this does not 4 accomplish my goal -- or if it does, I don't see it.   Is this possible?     Thanks for your help in advance.  E BTW -- All products are at their latest versions (IP, LAT, DECNET V).    Shrini Arole shrini@home.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 02:47:10 GMT $ From: Ed Wilts <ewilts@mediaone.net>( Subject: Re: Failover NICs for VAX 7800?, Message-ID: <392C942F.B33740B1@mediaone.net>   Shrini Arole wrote:  > M > Can a VAX 7800 class machine have two Ethernet NICs in a "failover" config?  > I am running VMS7.2  > L > I'm trying to create a redundant system, and so far the only non-redundant > component is the NIC.  > 5 > I will run IP, DECNET PHASE V and LAT over the LAN.  > G > Basically, if one NIC fails, I want the other to take over and things * > continue as if no interruption occurred.M > I know I can have two cards with two different addresses, but this does not 6 > accomplish my goal -- or if it does, I don't see it.  G It depends on the IP stack you're using.  TCPware supports this today.  C MultiNet is supposed to support this in the 4.3 release.  If you're 3 running UCX, then you should consider switching :-)    	.../Ed    --   Ed Wilts Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts@mediaone.net   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:55:53 GMT  From: hornjt@my-deja.com# Subject: FastTrack Error on Startup ) Message-ID: <8ghc41$rlc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    I am getting the message:   H startup failure: could not bind to port 8080 (function not implemented )  G when trying to startup a server in FastTrack. The server fails to start @ no matter what port I use. Any ideas on how to fix this problem?  
 Openvms 7.2-1 & Process Software MultiNet V4.2 Rev A-X Netscape FastTrack 3.02     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:52:36 GMT  From: d.webb@mdx.ac.uk" Subject: Re: FTP'ing to a VMS box.) Message-ID: <8gh4ss$lps$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   , In article <8gdc49$kl3$1@murrow.sp.trw.com>,=   "Dean Richard Benson" <dean.benson@remove_metrw.com> wrote: < > I am coding a VB application which takes a file from a VMSC > system (via FTP), and allows the user to edit the file on the PC.  > @ > Once the user is happy with the new file, the application then2 > FTP's it back onto the VMS system ready for use. > A > The problem that I am having is that when I issue a DIR command B > from FTP and try to parse the results, CR's appear when there isF > a long file name.  Normally I would expect only a list of files, butC > I actaully get a list of files, file information, ownerships etc.  >   F The FTP protocol does not have a "DIR" command. FTP Clients have their@ own command interface which takes commands such as DIR or ls and9 converts them into the appropriate FTP protocol commands.   ( The underlying FTP protocol commands are   LIST   and    NLST  ? The NLST command is the one you want since according to RFC 959    NAME LIST (NLST)  F      This command causes a directory listing to be sent from server to@      user site. The pathname should specify a directory or otherG      system-specific file group descriptor; a null argument implies the C      current directory. The server will return a stream of names of $      files and no other information.    C FTP clients vary in how they implement this but typically you might  find :-   G      DIR                 -->  LIST  command giving you filename + other /                                     information   C      DIR/BRIEF           -->  NLST  command giving you just list of )                                     files   C      ls                  -->  NLST  command giving you just list of )                                     files     A I would try the ls command since that is probably the most widely 
 supported.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University    B > Is there a way that anyone knows of controlling the returns fromA > FTP commands.  Documents that I have read on FTP state that the 4 > host controls the format, but I havent a clue how! >  > Any ideas? >  > Dean.  >  >     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 16:55:14 +0000 (   ) 3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> ( Subject: Re: help with VAXstation II/GPXJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10005241645240.15858-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  " On 24 May 2000, Mike Kenzie wrote:  3 > I've now opened up the box and had a peek inside! * > this is what I found marked on the case: >    > M7606 H2             CPU?  > M7608 B2 ms630 BA    Memory  > M7608 B2 ms630 BB    Memory ' > M7504 D2             ethernet adapter ' > M7169 B1              video base card % > M7168 A1               video memory % > M7168 A1               video memory  > M3106 C1 M9047 > M7555 C1 M7540 E1  > I > There is a Microplis HD RD53-EA, and 2 maxtors, the maxtors seem to say 3 > 171 meg? on them but it's hard to read the label.   I The 171 meg might be right if that's unformatted capacity.  The formatted  capacity should be ~150M.   F > On the back there is a group of 4 25 pin connectors but only 16 pinsK > remain in each, I think this is connected to the ethernet card.  There is J > also a DEQNA port locatd on the bottom.  Which one is used to connect to
 > the lan?  E The 25 pin connectors sound like serial to me.  The DEQNA port is AUI  (10-base-5/thicknet) ethernet.  L > Beside the 25 pin connectors is a switch  2 dials and a 9 pin connector, I& > think this is for a serial terminal.  H Right.  The switch, I believe, will set the behaviour of the computer onG "halt." -- or rather, the method(s) that can be used to halt the system / (whether you can halt from the keyboard, etc..)   F The 9-pin connector will be the port for a serial console as mentioned previously.   E > Below that is a 15 pin connector which I was told is for the video.   J Right, more accurately it's for the k/v/m breakout cable.  The cable plugsD in there, and the keyboard/mouse/monitor plug into the other end(s).  I > On the corner is the connector for the power plug, what looks like a PC & > power connetor and a breaker switch.  H If you don't have a cord, you can use a pc power cable, it should be the same.   J > I can see no plugs for the mouse or keyboard so I assume these plug into& > the VR290 display if I can find one.  8 See the above mention of the "breakout cable" for k/v/m.  C > Can I run a serial console with the video system still installed?    Unfortunately not on this VAX.  J You'll probably need to re-arrange your qbus boards so that they appear in this order:    > M7606 H2             CPU?  > M7608 B2 ms630 BA    Memory  > M7608 B2 ms630 BB    Memory ' > M7504 D2             ethernet adapter  > M3106 C1 M9047  # You'll have these boards left over:   ' > M7169 B1              video base card % > M7168 A1               video memory % > M7168 A1               video memory    Store in a cool, dry place :)   K > I know that the linux distributions have several compilers and tools withl > them, does ultirx?  G Well, at the very least it will probably have a c compiler.  From therep% you could theoretically build others.   9 > I also found that the tape is only 171 meg unformatted!e  8 It has the approximate capacity of a modern zip disk. :)  ( > BCC08 cable to connect serial terminal& > or VR290 display and BC18Z-10 cable.  H Again, see the FAQ if you'd like to try building your own console serial4 cable.  I have no idea where to get the k/v/m cable.   HTH,   Christ  O ===============================================================================P@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmer  Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL. % -------------------------------------yI "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes andiH weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 mO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------o   ------------------------------    Date: 24 May 2000 11:53:43 -07003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com> ( Subject: Re: help with VAXstation II/GPX0 Message-ID: <qhbt1vaifc.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>  / ba600@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Mike Kenzie) writes:n" > There is a Microplis HD RD53-EA,   RD53 is the DEC designation.  ( > and 2 maxtors, the maxtors seem to say3 > 171 meg? on them but it's hard to read the label.i  3 Maxtor 2190, AKA DEC RD54.  Around 150M each, IIRC.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:28:41 GMT-2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>( Subject: Re: help with VAXstation II/GPX6 Message-ID: <JAZW4.1289$NX3.32968@typhoon.aracnet.com>  . Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote:I > Tim, who seems to remember much fun and games reaffixing side panels toa
 > BA123 cabs,i  L There is that, I was cursing the sidepanel over the door this morning when I was trying to get it back on!u   			Zane    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:47:33 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>( Subject: Re: help with VAXstation II/GPX6 Message-ID: <pSZW4.1290$NX3.33125@typhoon.aracnet.com>  . Mike Kenzie <ba600@freenet.carleton.ca> wrote:3 > I've now opened up the box and had a peek inside!o* > this is what I found marked on the case:   > M7606 H2             CPU?  > M7608 B2 ms630 BA    Memorys > M7608 B2 ms630 BB    Memoryl' > M7504 D2             ethernet adapter ' > M7169 B1              video base carde% > M7168 A1               video memoryi% > M7168 A1               video memoryt > M3106 C1 M9047 > M7555 C1 M7540 E1e  I > There is a Microplis HD RD53-EA, and 2 maxtors, the maxtors seem to saye3 > 171 meg? on them but it's hard to read the label.   I OK, the fact you've got a pair of Maxtors is a major relief, I was hopingiH you did.  They're RD54's and about 150-159MB each.  They're pretty good I drives, the RD53's are ~70MB, and in my opinion junk (though some people i  have good luck rebuilding them).  K > remain in each, I think this is connected to the ethernet card.  There is-J > also a DEQNA port locatd on the bottom.  Which one is used to connect to
 > the lan?  F You'll need a ethernet transciever to plug in here.  If you've a smallJ enough transciever you can plug it in directly, otherwise you'll also wantA a cable to go between the bulkhead connector and the transceiver.s  L > Beside the 25 pin connectors is a switch  2 dials and a 9 pin connector, I& > think this is for a serial terminal.  C The 9-pin is for the Serial Console.  The 25-pin connectors are forbK additional terminals, or maybe a printer (if you're OS is set up to use one  for a printer).d  J > I can see no plugs for the mouse or keyboard so I assume these plug into& > the VR290 display if I can find one.  9 Actually I believe they would plug into the cable itself.   C > Can I run a serial console with the video system still installed?=   I don't believe so.=  K > I know that the linux distributions have several compilers and tools withr > them, does ultirx?  G I've no idea what Ultrix would have with it, some of your documentation 
 might tell.  f  K Linux isn't available for the VAX, however NetBSD is.  Better yet, there isn Hobbyist OpenVMS!p  9 > I also found that the tape is only 171 meg unformatted!n  D ?!?!?  Not sure where you got that number.  A TK50 holds about 95MB.  L > So this machine has 4 meg of ram and about 500 meg of HD space which makesK > it comparable to my old 486 now has 8 meg of RAM and 520 meg of HD space.e  2 1MB on CPU, 1-2MB RAM board, 1-4MB RAM board = 7MB# and only ~370MB Disk, if they work.:  F Comparing it to a 486 though is like comparing Apples to Oranges.  TwoH totally different architectures and different OS's.  But, yes, I believe, that is about the speed of the CPU, if that.  8 > I'm now off the the recyclers to see what's available.  ( > BCC08 cable to connect serial terminal& > or VR290 display and BC18Z-10 cable.  J Look for a 3rd party ESDI controller and ESDI drives.  It should be fairlyI easy to find one ESDI drive that's as big or bigger than the 3 MFM drives47 you have.  The tricky part is finding the controller.  o  ? Another good item to look for would be an 8MB RAM board or two.r  G All in all, looks like you'll have a nice system once you get it up ands running.   				Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:37:09 -0400t. From: Michael Austin <maustin@nc.prestige.net>? Subject: Re: How to export contents of RMS file to .csv format?0/ Message-ID: <392C91D5.C009F3B0@nc.prestige.net>@  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------F656CF5242362EB41E780373* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit3  M and if you don't have/want perl, DCL will do it just as easy... (this exampleaN depends entirely on data content... do any of the fields contain a comma  likeK "Austin, Mike"...then reading it into some other app will be interesting...e  " $open/read ifile inputfilename.dat$ $open/write ofile outputfilename.csv $loop: $read/end=end ifile reca  $field1 = f$extract(0,end-1,rec) .i .w .a! $fieldn = f$extrac(start,end,rec)t	 $c  = ","e $outrec = field1+c+field2+c....r $write outfile outrec 
 $goto loop $end:r $close ifile $close ofile   ORF use the convert utility to convert it sequential (if it isn't already)# read it into Excel (if it will fit)nI text-to-columns using a fixed width records (this gives you the option ofa setting the column widths) save as .csv   ORL use the above to create a .csv file, then use RMU/LOAD or SQL/LOADER to load it into Rdb or an Oracle	 database.l   Michael Austin DBA Consultant     Dan Sugalski wrote:y  . > At 01:29 PM 5/23/00 -0500, Earl Lakia wrote:L > >If one needs to export binary data, such as the VMS time stamp, integers,L > >floating point data, etc.,  An RMS ODBC driver might better fit the bill. >:J > For something like this, either Perl or Python might be a good choice ifE > this is going to be a one-off conversion. If it'll happen with some-K > frequency then writing the conversion program in something a touch fasterdI > (C, Fortran, Bliss, whatever) might be in order if the files are of any  > significant size.u >e- >                                         Danl > K > --------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------c4 > Dan Sugalski                          even samuraiA > dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and evenN= >                                       teddy bears get drunkh  & --------------F656CF5242362EB41E780373- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;m  name="maustin.vcf"d Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit-, Content-Description: Card for Michael Austin  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="maustin.vcf"c   begin:vcard  n:Austin;Michael i tel;work:704-947-1089  x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Michael Austin, Inc$
 adr:;;;;;; version:2.1.+ email;internet:michaelaustininc@hotmail.comk title:President  x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Michael E. Austin	 end:vcardi  ( --------------F656CF5242362EB41E780373--   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:18:26 -0500 ) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>t% Subject: Re: HP Printer Support Wingen7 Message-ID: <075101bfc5de$c39b4e10$020a0a0a@xile.realm>o  ' Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn#bbc.co.uk>   A > The IT dept are now rolling out HP LaserJet4050's to users that-D > previously had LaserJet III and IV's and 4000's. The pound sign is* > being printed incorrectly on the 4050's.  6 These printers also connected to any Windows Printers?  L The Windoze print drivers tend to reprogram the power up default settings ofI HP printers, even though they tend to then totally ignore these settings.rL This reprogramming is reinforced at regular intervals, so it does no good to% put things back from the front panel.n  F The only workaround that you will have is to use a setup module at theG beginning of your print job to put your version of the pound sign back.c  
 Good Luck.   -Johnt wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:18:23 -0700.5 From: "cstranslations" <cstranslations@email.msn.com>c, Subject: Re: Logical translation aberation ?) Message-ID: <uvvtR#ex$GA.339@cpmsnbbsa08>o  5 David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message ' news:392BDF45.44D75685@tsoft-inc.com...m > Carl Perkins wrote:a > >e2 > > David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes..., > > }Ran into an interesting incident today. > > }e > > }Environment:  > > }AlphaStation 200 4/233  > > }VMS V7.2-1  > > }aG > > }I have a rather old routine that translates logicals using the oldd systemB > > }service SYS$TRNLOG.  A user mode logical, 'DATA', (yeah, real original), thatI >DH > Well, I'm not sure I believed you upon first read.  I would never have expected9 > such inconsistancy in VMS.  But, simple enough to test:p  L Well, I don't know about sys$trnlog. Don't have and obsolete features manualF around. Wouldn't do any good anyway. What you would need is the system? services from the last version were sys$trnlog wasn't obsolete.   F In any event - a quick look more recent versions of the system serviceI manuals does reveal the lnm$m_case_blind in the attribute argument to the- sys$trnlnm system service.  K And yes - every time I use sys$trnlnm I will invariably sit and scratch foreL some length of time trying to figure out why I'm getting ss$_ivlognam back . . .   K As for why it does distinguish. If I had to guess, I'd guess it's connectedeJ some how to the routine that is getting used to create hash values or someJ such. I don't feel much like looking at Goldenberg (and the source listing0 might be necessary anyway and I don't have 'em).   Joei   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:15:53 GMTs From: brewstsc@my-deja.com& Subject: Looking for sudo like utility) Message-ID: <8ghkad$1pj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>-  E A long time ago, I knew of a utility, become, that would allow you tojD become another user (on a VMS system).  It is similar to sudo in theF unix world.  I have a need for this utility but havent had any luck inG locating it or anything similar.  If you know where I might find such ai0 utility, please forward me the appropriate info.   thanks scotte    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.p   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 02:46:46 GMTs9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) * Subject: Re: Looking for sudo like utility+ Message-ID: <N$OO68r9rvZ$@eisner.decus.org>e  F In article <8ghkad$1pj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, brewstsc@my-deja.com writes:G > A long time ago, I knew of a utility, become, that would allow you toeF > become another user (on a VMS system).  It is similar to sudo in theH > unix world.  I have a need for this utility but havent had any luck inI > locating it or anything similar.  If you know where I might find such al2 > utility, please forward me the appropriate info.  ? A long time ago, VMS was simpler, and protection of the logical5@ name tables for your own job were not an issue.  The best way to? do this is to Assume a Persona and while it is assumed create al new process.  @ If having it all correct is not an issue, there are utilities on the Freeware discs.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:14:55 -0400 . From: Michael Austin <maustin@nc.prestige.net>* Subject: Re: Looking for sudo like utility/ Message-ID: <392C9AAF.3D3019B7@nc.prestige.net>   , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------2E1035C30B90D02B262E2A29* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7biti  H go to decus library and look for SETUSER  (alpha and VAX)  Alpha versionI works very well... but rememnber all of those command procedures you have G in SYS$LOGIN?  you will need to modify the symbols to point to the full J directory filespec because the Alpha version sets your sys$login to be theF new user.  So your if your symbol to setuser is $sys$login:setuser.exe: you will need to make sure it is  $device:[dir]setuser.exe   Great Stuff! Michael Austin$ DBA Consultant (and psuedo-SysAdmin)   brewstsc@my-deja.com wrote:   G > A long time ago, I knew of a utility, become, that would allow you toyF > become another user (on a VMS system).  It is similar to sudo in theH > unix world.  I have a need for this utility but havent had any luck inI > locating it or anything similar.  If you know where I might find such a42 > utility, please forward me the appropriate info. >i > thanks > scott  >'( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.h  & --------------2E1035C30B90D02B262E2A29- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;   name="maustin.vcf"m Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit , Content-Description: Card for Michael Austin  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="maustin.vcf"r   begin:vcard  n:Austin;Michael m tel;work:704-947-10897 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Michael Austin, Incl
 adr:;;;;;; version:2.1o+ email;internet:michaelaustininc@hotmail.comh title:Presidentt x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Michael E. Austin	 end:vcard   ( --------------2E1035C30B90D02B262E2A29--   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:14:34 -0400c From: "Dave L." <fsc@fast.net># Subject: Memory/System Optimizatione. Message-ID: <sio7065ao1112@corp.supernews.com>   Hello:H I have recently upgraded my Alphastation 1200 5/533Mhz  to 1152MB of RAML from 640MB.  All of the DIMMS were installed per the manual with the largestL ones using slot 0.  Quite surprisely, batch time has not improved...actuallyL it has diminished slightly.  The process that we run is quite I/O intensive.  F I ran SYSGEN and some minor changes were made, but performance did notL increase.  Are there any changes that I can make running Authorize that will3 allow me to take advantage of the increased memory?    Thanks in advance, Dave L.o   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2000 18:48:48 GMT0 From: "Dale A. Dellutri" <ddellutr@enteract.com>' Subject: Re: Memory/System Optimizationt, Message-ID: <8gh86g$buc$1@news.enteract.com>  A On Wed, 24 May 2000 14:14:34 -0400, Dave L. <fsc@fast.net> wrote:s > Hello:J > I have recently upgraded my Alphastation 1200 5/533Mhz  to 1152MB of RAMN > from 640MB.  All of the DIMMS were installed per the manual with the largestN > ones using slot 0.  Quite surprisely, batch time has not improved...actuallyN > it has diminished slightly.  The process that we run is quite I/O intensive.H > I ran SYSGEN and some minor changes were made, but performance did notN > increase.  Are there any changes that I can make running Authorize that will5 > allow me to take advantage of the increased memory?p  E Are you sure that you're not already using it?  Did you do a SHO MEM? B If the application is IO intensive, then why not give some of thatA memory to IO cache.  Set MIN_VCC_MAXSIZE in MODPARAMS.DAT and run D AUTOGEN.  Lastly, are page and working set quotas set larger for the users that run the batch jobs?   --  & Dale Dellutri -- ddellutr@enteract.com   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2000 19:16:35 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)' Subject: Re: Memory/System Optimizationh6 Message-ID: <8gh9qj$760$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  O In article <sio7065ao1112@corp.supernews.com>, "Dave L." <fsc@fast.net> writes:hI :I have recently upgraded my Alphastation 1200 5/533Mhz  to 1152MB of RAMn :from 640MB....  l     The OpenVMS Alpha version?  9 :Quite surprisely, batch time has not improved...actuallyyM :it has diminished slightly.  The process that we run is quite I/O intensive.     G   If the application is I/O intensive, then you either need to increase=F   I/O capacity, or figure out how to use memory (or CPU) to reduce theD   existing I/O load.  Increasing an aspect of the system that is notF   the current performance bottleneck will only increase the throughputE   if you can trade-off some part of the existing aggregate load with c   the use of the new capacity.  )   Some options, in no particular order...a  I   Increasing I/O capacity (usually) involves hardware.  eg: RAID.  Faster-<   SCSI.  Faster disks.  More spindles.  Multiple PCIs.  etc.  F   Trading off memory can involve increased working sets, increased I/O8   caches, RMS global buffers, tuning the RMS files, etc.  C   Trading off CPU for I/O can involve defragmenting the disk, usingfI   a host-based RAM disk, disk striping, as well as various other options.s  G :I ran SYSGEN and some minor changes were made, but performance did not M :increase.  Are there any changes that I can make running Authorize that willd4 :allow me to take advantage of the increased memory?  D   I would assume you ran AUTOGEN, not SYSGEN, and I will assume that   you have used feedback.n  E   What is the system and process paging activity?  (Paging trades offo   I/O with memory.)   H   As a start, take a look at the performance manual -- it will help you J   through an understanding of the various inter-related aspects of system F   tuning, and it will guide you through a careful look at your entire    system environment.i  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:49:17 GMTs4 From: "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam>' Subject: Re: Memory/System OptimizationrE Message-ID: <1nWW4.31790$S31.621956@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>h  J At the risk of re-starting the anti-Executive Software flames, take a lookL at Executive Software's IO/Express product.  It dynamically changes the diskJ cache size to use any memory that isn't being used by other processes.  ItJ took our very IO intensive nightly batch processing from over 7 hours down to just under 2 hours.  
 Mike Ober.  ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message70 news:8gh9qj$760$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... >KI > In article <sio7065ao1112@corp.supernews.com>, "Dave L." <fsc@fast.net>o writes:hK > :I have recently upgraded my Alphastation 1200 5/533Mhz  to 1152MB of RAM3 > :from 640MB....n >  >   The OpenVMS Alpha version? > ; > :Quite surprisely, batch time has not improved...actually D > :it has diminished slightly.  The process that we run is quite I/O
 intensive. >  >tI >   If the application is I/O intensive, then you either need to increasetH >   I/O capacity, or figure out how to use memory (or CPU) to reduce theF >   existing I/O load.  Increasing an aspect of the system that is notH >   the current performance bottleneck will only increase the throughputF >   if you can trade-off some part of the existing aggregate load with  >   the use of the new capacity. >r+ >   Some options, in no particular order...r >oK >   Increasing I/O capacity (usually) involves hardware.  eg: RAID.  Fastern> >   SCSI.  Faster disks.  More spindles.  Multiple PCIs.  etc. >aH >   Trading off memory can involve increased working sets, increased I/O: >   caches, RMS global buffers, tuning the RMS files, etc. > E >   Trading off CPU for I/O can involve defragmenting the disk, using K >   a host-based RAM disk, disk striping, as well as various other options.i >sI > :I ran SYSGEN and some minor changes were made, but performance did notvJ > :increase.  Are there any changes that I can make running Authorize that will6 > :allow me to take advantage of the increased memory? >iF >   I would assume you ran AUTOGEN, not SYSGEN, and I will assume that >   you have used feedback.o >oG >   What is the system and process paging activity?  (Paging trades offf >   I/O with memory.)o >DI >   As a start, take a look at the performance manual -- it will help you5K >   through an understanding of the various inter-related aspects of systemnG >   tuning, and it will guide you through a careful look at your entiree >   system environment.g > , >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion ---------------------------t1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringo hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >w >'   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:15:11 -0400y, From: Andrew Robert <robert_a@ix.netcom.com>' Subject: Re: Memory/System Optimizationd- Message-ID: <392C627F.BA78B7E6@ix.netcom.com>a  F Having worked with IO Express and the built in VIOC cache, each has an
 advantage.  8 VIOC works best if you are running a standalone system.   * IOX works best in a clustered environment.  > When configuring VIOC, keep in mind the following limitations.  ' 	- VIOC resides in s0 memory space onlya, 	- VIOC can cache a limitted number of files     Regards,
 Andrew Robertt    B "Victory and defeat are determined by attention to simple things."   Gichin Funakoshi   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2000 18:44:53 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.044962.killspam.0138 (Wayne Sewell)yJ Subject: Re: OpenVMS commentaries (was Re: Gartner commentary on Wildfire). Message-ID: <JahMEQ1hBxy1@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  B In article <8gh2dl$jsf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, d.webb@mdx.ac.uk writes:8 > In article <8ggo00$qc7$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,( >   hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote: >>; >> In article <8ggk03$ohr$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>, Osmo Kujalaf > <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi> writes:r* >> :Bill Todd <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote: >> :( >> :>...resurrection of POSIX support... >>H >>   Something like this is underway, and an internal baselevel of POSIXH >>   is back on-line for internal testing and development as part of theH >>   related engineering effort involved in the new project.  (There areF >>   presently no plans to release another version of POSIX, but thereF >>   are plans for something that addresses similar issues and needs.) >>+ >> :Alpha Linux application binaries to runM >>H >>   Binary-level emulation (Linux images on OpenVMS) isn't in the plan. >> > H > Binary level emulation isn't needed as long as porting is made as easyG > as possible and results in code that runs without a large performancet
 > penalty. >  > I >>   Running parallel instances or parallel partitions (OpenVMS and LinuxlH >>   running in the same box) is something that is somewhat more likely. >>I >> :I've been nagging that affinity is nothing whitout FX!32 but if Linux-9 >> :programs can be run in VMS then never mind Win-stuff.i >>F >>   FX!32 provided translation/emulation for Win32 Intel binaries for > useaD >>   on Windows NT Alpha.  Of all the things that have been included > under 7 >>   the Affinity moniker, I can't say I've seen FX!32.i >> > G > When Affinity was first announced it sounded like the WNT API's wouldi; > be ported to VMS so that windows programs could be easilydE > ported to VMS. All the publicity seemed to be about how close these  > operating systems were.6I > All we got was a third party API library missing huge chunks of the APIn. > which cost an arm and a leg to develop with.  O The extortion was not just during development.  IIRC, you had to pay them again=I at runtime for anybody to actually *use* whatever you developed.  i.e., a  runtime royalty.     > J > When FX!32 was developed it seemed only natural to hope that the initialG > promise of the Affinity program might be resurrected through an FX!32n
 > for VMS. >   I Well, maybe some type of hybrid between fx and the old softpc/softwindows N software would be possible.  Slow as it was, I ran quicken on that (the *only*N billy program I actually use) for years, and then ran quickinvoice for a whileF longer after intuit dropped support for it.   I had a new quicken on aL billybox, but couldn't get a corresponding quickinvoice.   Using softwindowsL and the old quickinvoice, I would dump the invoices to a transfer file, thenO import that into regular quicken on the real billybox.  Eventually invoices got J folded into the business version of the main product and I finally retiredN softwindows and recovered all that disk space (the "disk drive" of the virtual7 pc is a container file in the regular vms file system).t  G If I had some way of running quicken on vms without the overhead of theoM emulation, I would probably get rid of the billybox.  The fx technology could L be merged with the framework of softwindows to create what was essentially a" native alpha version of quicken.    E > As it is for many/most VMS users the affinity program has deliveredi > absolutely nothing.a  3 Never did a damn thing for me.  It was just a word.n     -- gO ===============================================================================eM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)AO ===============================================================================eC Jake Blues: "Sell me your children!  How much for the little girl?"N   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:53:38 -0400l. From: Michael Austin <maustin@nc.prestige.net>5 Subject: Re: problem setting anonymous ftp in a AlphaM. Message-ID: <392C95B2.347A358@nc.prestige.net>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------C684B13331A5580ACB30E4F4* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7biti    becherini@VORTEX.UFRGS.BR wrote:  B > Received:       by vortex.ufrgs.br (V5.0A-1, OpenVMS V7.2 Alpha)6 > From:           Fabio Becherini <becherini@ufrgs.br>& > Reply-to:       <becherini@ufrgs.br>D > Comments:       @vortex.ufrgs.br, vortex(46.451)::, psi%........::8 > References:     BR, TCHE, UFRGS, CPD network, Cia-INFO1 > Organization:   Cia-INFO /DRS /CPD-UFRGS /UFRGS Q > _______________________________________________________________________________h >t >         Hi ! >i >         The environment is:a >s' >                 AlphaServer 800 5/500o >                 OpenVMS 7.2rI >                 DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0A- >-- >         In Compaq OpemVMS Documentation CD,0> >         DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS, ... Management,5 >         chapter 12, we have, I think, all the stepsa6 >         to configuring and setting up anonymous ftp. >t5 >         Well, all the steps done, the answer I havet >         is "Login incorrect".e >n   with oper privs turned ont   $reply/enable=(sec,network)l   then try your ftp.       > # >         Have I to restart TCPIP ?i >s   probably not, but won't hurt.e   >a' >         Have I to reboot the system ?e >v  # no!  this is NOT a Micro$shaft O/S.e   >b" >         Am I missing something ? >   S Probably.  More than likely a security issue or protection problem on directory andKP or incorrect setting with the ftp or anonymous username.  check to make sure theE account does not have the flag disuser  in SYSUAF.   If so, unset it.c  " UAF> mod anonymous /flag=nodisuser   >k >         Regards, >eP >  _____________________________________________________________________________Q > |                                                                             |lQ > | Fabio Becherini                   System & Network Manager, Webmaster UFRGS | Q > | CPD-UFRGS                         Centro de Processamento de Dados da UFRGS |lQ > |                                   Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Sul | Q > |                                                   Divisao de Rede e Suporte | Q > |                                          (55)(51) 316-5041 / 331-1215 (fax) |hQ > |_____________________________________________________________________________|4Q > |                                                                             |rQ > | INTERnet:  fabio.becherini@ufrgs.br              DECnet:  vortex::becherini |uQ > |_____________________________________________________________________________|y  & --------------C684B13331A5580ACB30E4F4- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;   name="maustin.vcf"  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bito, Content-Description: Card for Michael Austin  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="maustin.vcf"    begin:vcard  n:Austin;Michael f tel;work:704-947-1089c x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Michael Austin, Inct
 adr:;;;;;; version:2.1o+ email;internet:michaelaustininc@hotmail.comt title:Presidentl x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Michael E. Austin	 end:vcard   ( --------------C684B13331A5580ACB30E4F4--   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:54:04 GMT  From: foo@bar.com (John Mee)% Subject: Qbus and 3xxx stuff for salea, Message-ID: <392c79a8.215092759@news.ns.net>  E I was out at the place where I used to buy all my bits and pieces forhF my mVax IIs (plural, not "s" subtype) and he is trying to unload it as= he is no longer in the Digital reseller business to speak of.eD Basically he has a lot Q bus boards of all types (including some PDPA processor boards), a lot of 3100 VaxStations, several 3900 series9B boxes, bunches of miscellaneous network gear and at least one 2100F series Alpha (2 cpu/256 meg memory, etc, fully licensed with Unix). OhA Rick  also has a bunch of Tempest VT320 terminals (now THERE is afF useful item). Unfortunately, he doesn't have any other Tempest gear to hook it up to.  E At any rate, the place is the Hardware Connection, in Rancho Cordova,uF California (suburb of Sacramento), the phone is (916) 631-9500 and hisB e-mail address is rick@hardwareconnection.com.  His Web page is at@ WWW.hardwareconnection.com, but the section for Dec equipment is empty.  C FWIW, I am NOT connected with this in ANY way, except as a longtimes (but not big bucks) customer.e* ------------------------------------------ jmee<at>REMOVE.ns.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 16:56:03 -0400r# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>i$ Subject: Re: SKC's OpenVMS Viewpoint+ Message-ID: <392C41E3.3D7DF832@hsc.vcu.edu>s  < eeeewwwwww................  you made my day, Sherlock... ;-)   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:  > ; > Terry C. Shannon <shannon@world.std.com> wrote in messagea" > news:FuyyH1.IJz@world.std.com... > >i> > > "Tom Wade" <t.wade@vms.eurokom.ie.nospam> wrote in message* > > news:aHbW4.234$mq.16785@news.iol.ie... > > >-I > > > Agreed.  Anyone know who the "significant NT to VMS migration" is ?" > > >u5 > > The VA (Veterans Adminstration) in the DC area...o > : > You mean to say Dr. Watson has lost hospital privileges?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:41:48 -0700r5 From: "Larry D Bohan, Jr" <LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com>M* Subject: Software Change Requests, how-to?2 Message-ID: <x1ksOcn=qpkczqVxopNX5DOhjW4g@4ax.com>  5 could somone here, maybe someone who did it recently,o? recap briefly what's needed to formally file a change request ?e  ; mostly, can I talk to any j-random soul (or call screener) n1 in the CSC and get the proper forms, and contacts 1 (assuming proper hdw/sw support and all that ...)o   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:41:40 GMT - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> : Subject: Re: Tape Data Recovery (was Re: Need urgent help)( Message-ID: <392C3068.22DB6131@ohio.edu>  F Yes, it was tensioning arms, and actually, I was able to recover data E after a mistaken initialization of a 9-track backup tape and after a e@ bad spot -- saved by the redundancy group that meant the damaged section need not be recovered. a  E Your comment and Antonio Carlini's have brought me to think about theoD possibility that the data recovery services are using firmware that @ requires highly skilled laying on of hands in order to work its D miracles, firmware that should certainly not be generally released.   C I just wish it were possible to make a tape drive that provided the.F capacity, performance, and cost of modern cartridge drives while stillF permitting prompt customer recovery from utterly predictable mistakes.; We all know that tapes get initialized that should not  :-(n  ' Thanks for taking the time to respond. i   				RDP      Hoff Hoffman wrote:u > Z > In article <392AE335.EB813F2C@ohio.edu>, "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> writes:< > :The fact that "special firmware" even exists for the dataC > :recovery firms to use is what bugs me -- why isn't that firmwarex > :available to customers? > H >   Development and diagnostic firmware (and software) is often not madeH >   available, as it can do things that you don't want a real product toF >   be doing.  Some of these additional features might be expected and( >   useful, and some are definitely not. > B > In article <3929A12C.303BA833@ohio.edu>, piccard@ohio.edu wrote: > :sN > :        Can you provide any enlightenment as to the reasoning that produced9 > :the crippled customer firmware in these modern drives?o > L >   The standard firmware is used everywhere other than within the product'sJ >   engineering group and within the group(s) performing engineering-levelK >   testing and diagnostic activities with the products (eg: data recovery,l$ >   device repair and testing, etc). >  > :It doesn't take much I > :of an inclination toward conspiracy theory to lead to speculation that(A > :DEC did it, and Compaq continues it, in order to make businesso. > :opportunities for the data recovery people. > F >   I, for one, would not want the drive to be able to go past the EOTF >   marker, except in very specific circumstances.  (I can immediatelyH >   think of only two reasons to go poking around past the EOT: for dataE >   recovery after an errant write/update/EOT operation, and for datan >   scavenging.) > K >   Have you ever tried to reposition an "ancient" nine-track magnetic tape1H >   to a position past a bad spot, or past the EOT?  Things can get veryH >   entertaining with maintaining the vacuum in the columns (or with theF >   tensioning arms, if you really want to show your age) and with theH >   tape positioning logic, and it's not even clear that the data itselfH >   is readable -- unless you happen to start reading in the right spot.K >   (You could easily reposition right into the middle of a bad spot, too.)t >  > ..J > :        It should not be all that hard to have the drive switch over toI > :read-only as soon as you give the set magtape command to skip over the$ > :Logical End of Tape.m > G >   True, but of what added value is this feature, and particularly howsH >   does the value of this feature trade-off against the added risks andI >   the added support and testing costs?  (And this assumes that you willeH >   get something useful back when this feature does "work", of course.) > P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   --  B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 20:34:54 +0200a" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>( Subject: Re: TCP/IP SNA Gateway Solution( Message-ID: <8gh6tu$9m6$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  * If you do want to get rid of DECnet, then:L 1) try the VMS/SNA product. The gateway server runs on an Alpha like the old VAX productMG and at the same time you can upgrade to FDDI and eliminate the channel.  2) run native IP on the IBM   H Option 2 would probably not eliminate VTAM, depends on whether you still supporto 3270 terminals thru 3174's. L The IBM operating system(s) matter too. We went to IP on the IBM for both VMK and the VSE guest machines. Worked well and filetransfers suddenly became ao lot L easier among the VSE machines. VM was suddenly a lot more accessible, across theG LAN.? We used IBM's stacks though 3rd party vendors offer IP as well.i  
 Hans Vlems  , Jon Kreisler heeft geschreven in bericht ... >Hello All,hC >Is anyone using a TCP/IP based SNA gateway for a VAX, or know of a  >currently available solution?G >I am currently running a DECNet SNA Gateway-CT (the pre-Domain model.)uD >My network group wants to eliminate DECNet over the WAN. I need theD >RJE and PRE software, running on a VAX OpenVMS system. (The gateway >is non-local.)-? >Please email to me directly and I will summarize for the list:i> >mailto:jon@mac.lover.org&subject=Re:%20SNA%20Gateway%20TCP/IP >- >Thank you,  >Jon >--2
 >Jon Kreisler5 >Mac and OpenVMS specialistr ><mailto://jon@mac.lover.org>j >:   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:08:09 +0800c- From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>u) Subject: Re: VMS mail and rooted logicals + Message-ID: <392C60D9.5C4C1CCD@bigpond.com>l   David A Froble wrote:  > Q > Was sending a VMS mail message to a user account with a rooted logical used foriQ > the device name in the SYSUAF record.  It wasn't delivered, complained about and? > invalid device name.  VAX/VMS V5.2.  Is this a known problem?d >  > Dave >  > --6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596= > 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.come > Vanderbilt, PA  15486V  = Was the logical used in the SYSUAF defined in EXECUTIVE mode?-A I have come across problems where people fiddle with logicals andnE then use them in SYSUAF but they are only defined in SUPERVISOR mode.i -- 3 Regards, Dave.mI -------------------------------------------------------------------------$I David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.comiI DBS software at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmuI "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennone   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:20:07 -0400r' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>   Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?' Message-ID: <8gh6bq$7a$1@pyrite.mv.net>e  > Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> wrote in messageD news:Pine.LNX.4.05.10005241513100.15858-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com..., > On Wed, 24 May 2000, David A Froble wrote: >lG > > We're not talking 'just like windows', we're talking a UI that willl allow a userK > > to use already existing skills.  Maybe the two are the same, maybe not.d If youH > > don't think that managers place significant emphisis on the training requiredI > > for new employees, and that their perception is that most people know  windoz,iD > > then it's time for you to wake up and smell the coffee.  This is prevelant in
 > > business.b >iF > I have to argue against the use of the word "skills" to describe theI > ability to push a piece of plastic around and press a(only one, this is  > windows, remember) button.  J Sounds as if you might be confusing Windows (which makes fairly common useH of the second mouse button) with the Mac - perhaps not the most thorough/ experience on which to form a credible opinion.p   - bill   > 
 > Regards, >o > Chrisl >e >sL ============================================================================ ===r@ > "My two cents" (http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= > Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com) Prgramer^W Programmero! > Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL. ' > -------------------------------------aK > "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes andeJ > weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes< > and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949L > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----b >o >t   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:28:00 +0000 (   )b3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>*  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10005241824570.15858-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  % On Wed, 24 May 2000, Bill Todd wrote:a  L > Sounds as if you might be confusing Windows (which makes fairly common useJ > of the second mouse button) with the Mac - perhaps not the most thorough1 > experience on which to form a credible opinion.y  E No, I'm not confusing it.  Windows has only recently (if you consideraH windows 95 still recent) started using the second mouse button at all --3 and what about the third?  That's still never used.i  D Anyway, I was exadgerating... but the point is still valid, I think.  J Then again, I wouldn't be the first person to confuse windows with the mac# ... bill gates holds that title. ;)l   Regards,   Chris   O ===============================================================================r@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmer  Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL. % -------------------------------------=I "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and H weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 xO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------=   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:35:21 GMTB2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?6 Message-ID: <dz_W4.1292$NX3.33175@typhoon.aracnet.com>  - Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> wrote:jE > You don't like later versions?  Personally, I'm very happy with my BI > VT420, but I'm open to being convinced that the VT500 series is better.   J Actually I think I prefer the VT420's.  I've got several VT100's, VT220's,I VT320's, and VT420's.  Plus I've used several VT520's.  The older VT520's F are OK, the newer non-DEC ones are junk, and I've even seen one with a Windows Keyboard!i  H The VT420's are my favorite though, and the ones I use all the time, theI rest are for emergencies, or because I didn't want to see them tossed.  IeE prefer the VT420 for several reasons, I like the keyboard, I like the-F overall design, and I like the dual inputs (though in a couple cases I! really need to find a switchbox)._   			Zane    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:03:43 -0400h, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?> Message-ID: <hshubs-207467.23034324052000@news.mindspring.com>  G In article <dz_W4.1292$NX3.33175@typhoon.aracnet.com>, "Zane H. Healy" p# <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote:p  I >The VT420's are my favorite though, and the ones I use all the time, thegJ >rest are for emergencies, or because I didn't want to see them tossed.  IF >prefer the VT420 for several reasons, I like the keyboard, I like theG >overall design, and I like the dual inputs (though in a couple cases I " >really need to find a switchbox).  D IMO, SSU was too cool.  And the DECservers which performed the same  function were even cooler.   -- o Howard S Shubs, the Denim AdeptI   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 00:31:16 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?- Message-ID: <392CAC94.66D2AD16@tsoft-inc.com>n   Howard S Shubs wrote:d > D > In article <8ggrtb$5j8$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl > wrote: > $ > >I'm lucky enough to have a VT 102 > D > You don't like later versions?  Personally, I'm very happy with myI > VT420, but I'm open to being convinced that the VT500 series is better.  >  > --! > Howard S Shubs, the Denim AdeptN  N I like the VT500 terminals I've used.  I'm not sure but feel that the keyboardL on the 500s isn't quite as good as the VT420 keyboard.  Talking about 'feel'N here.  The VT510/VT520 monitors might be a bit larger.  The one that makes theN difference is the Vt525.  Attach one of these to a 21 inch monitor, and you'll0 enjoy it.  It also allows 4 sessions to be used.   Dave   -- _4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.comf Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:33:58 GMT_/ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>_* Subject: Re: Volume Shadowing for Dummies?F Message-ID: <qgVW4.2553$hL1.164814@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  @ "David Spencer" <spencer@recneps.spaamfree.com> wrote in message8 news:240520000848274826%spencer@recneps.spaamfree.com...H > In article <8ggrqq$ekf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, <itjck01@my-deja.com> wrote: >oB > > In article <230520001652576605%spencer@recneps.spaamfree.com>,: > >   David Spencer <spencer@recneps.spaamfree.com> wrote:L > > > I've added a pair of identical disks to one of my systems so I thought1 > > > that I'd play around with volume shadowing.-
 > > <snip> > >,< > > If you have not looked at the documentation available atF > > http://www.openvms.digital.com:8000/721final/5423/5423pro.html forJ > > OpenVMS 7.2-1 volume shadowing, perhaps you will find some help there.A > > I believe 7.1 and 7.2 docs are available also at the website.n > >iK > > Only other thing I have to offer in addition to the prior posts is thatlA > > if you had a third disk, such that you have a 3 member volumesK > > shadowset, that remaking of the third member from the master and secondoI > > member can be quicker from my experience.  I attribute this to 2 disk H > > spindles providing disk reads (less rotational latency) to the thirdJ > > member as it writes and shadows in.  This also only appears to be trueK > > if the volume shadowset is not undergoing writes, which slows it down aeK > > bit since a write has to happen on the member disks for I/O completion.m >oI > Thank you for the reply. I neglected to mention that I am running 7.2-1eI > and that I have read the manual. The documentation is good but it isn't G > quite a cookbook; and it doesn't offer the real-life perspective that = > folks living with the software on a daily basis might have.- >-C > I wish that I had the cabinet space to add yet another disk - the- > workstation is now full! > F > The previous poster's nugget about disolving the shadow-set prior toF > a reboot might be fruitful - provided I can write some DCL code thatG > will reverse some image installs prior to shutdown. Fortunately these)  > disks are not the system disk. >   > Your insights are appreciated. >o > Dave Spencer  F I didn't mean to say that you should disolve the shadow-set prior to a reboot,iJ Just that you need to close all files on the shadow set.  When you reboot, the I disk will be automatically dismounted, thus disolving the shadow set.  If  all J files are closed when you do this, then the shadow set can be recreated on6 reboot with a single mount command without rebuilding.  H You would have to close the files before manually dismounting the shadow2 set as well, or you will have to suffer the merge.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:51:32 -04004- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>w- Subject: Wildfire memory and installed imagese, Message-ID: <392C6B02.B633BC4A@videotron.ca>  ; OK, so alpha is capable of VLM and hundreds of gigs of RAM.e  ? But in a Wildfire, how much ram can be installed in each quad ?s  N Also, in a single instance of VMS occupying more than one quad block, is thereN much of a performance penalty if an image is installed by a process running onK a quad, but the application runs on a different quad ? Or will INSTALL have1M added qualifiers to ensure that images/files are installed on the quad memoryr& that will be used by the application ?  H Or is the performance penalty of accessing memory across the switch from: another quad so little that it is not worth dealing with ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:40:34 -0400o' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>i1 Subject: Re: Wildfire memory and installed imagese( Message-ID: <8gi76f$oj5$1@pyrite.mv.net>  K My impression (from an admittedly quick skim) was that the 'RAD' discussiontL in Clair Grant's slide show that was referenced in a recent post covered theL type of question posed below (and that 32 GB seems to be the max memory on aG single QBB - perhaps 16 GB for the moment, given that the max GS160/320sK memory configurations appear to be limited to 64 GB/128 GB for the next fewn months).   - bill  8 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:392C6B02.B633BC4A@videotron.ca...= > OK, so alpha is capable of VLM and hundreds of gigs of RAM.i > A > But in a Wildfire, how much ram can be installed in each quad ?  >tJ > Also, in a single instance of VMS occupying more than one quad block, is there E > much of a performance penalty if an image is installed by a processa
 running onH > a quad, but the application runs on a different quad ? Or will INSTALL haveH > added qualifiers to ensure that images/files are installed on the quad memory( > that will be used by the application ? >:J > Or is the performance penalty of accessing memory across the switch from< > another quad so little that it is not worth dealing with ?   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2000 17:58:44 GMT, From: bill@cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon)/ Subject: Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"v+ Message-ID: <8gh58k$ucj$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>h   In article <Pine.LNX.4.05.10005241508190.15858-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>, Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> writes:- |> On Tue, 23 May 2000, David A Froble wrote:  |> CS |> > Darn, I only got 13 VMS systems.  Now I feel left out.  Wait, I have 6 more ateE |> > another site!  How's 19 sound? Anybody else got a better number?  |> lA |> No, but add mine to the whole count.  I've got four VAXen.  MynJ |> significant-other has one -- given to her as a present actually.  Those |> are fine. |> aK |> I know of one at a university (yes, really), and have a friend who's got 9 |> at least four going -- well, three vaxen and an alpha.n |> i  H Well, as of yesterday I now have two running.  Of course, one of them is running MicroVMS 4.4!!!e   bill   -- iJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   p   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:14:41 GMTr- From: Lonnie Carreau <Lonnie.Carreau@mci.com> / Subject: Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"o' Message-ID: <392C1C1C.729CD680@mci.com>n  M If only me and my wife could share VMS as a couple :-).  Looks like you foundo yourself a gem.    -Lonnief   Christopher Smith wrote:  , > On Tue, 23 May 2000, David A Froble wrote: > R > > Darn, I only got 13 VMS systems.  Now I feel left out.  Wait, I have 6 more atD > > another site!  How's 19 sound? Anybody else got a better number? > @ > No, but add mine to the whole count.  I've got four VAXen.  MyI > significant-other has one -- given to her as a present actually.  ThoseS > are fine.a > J > I know of one at a university (yes, really), and have a friend who's got8 > at least four going -- well, three vaxen and an alpha. >d
 > Regards, >  > Chris  >aQ > =============================================================================== Q > "My two cents"                  (http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)-O > Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)                   Prgramer^W Programmer ! > Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.:' > ------------------------------------- K > "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and)J > weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes< > and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949Q > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------o   ------------------------------   Date: 24 May 2000 18:23:13 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)/ Subject: Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus" . Message-ID: <8gh6mh$8qc$1@info.service.rug.nl>  6 In article <392C1C1C.729CD680@mci.com>, Lonnie Carreau! <Lonnie.Carreau@mci.com> writes: m  N >If only me and my wife could share VMS as a couple :-).  Looks like you found >yourself a gem.  D Despite my love for VMS, I DO have other standards when it comes to 8 wives.  :-)  Well, maybe not---24x365 sounds fine by me!  ? By the way, I'm in the process of getting divorced.  Anyone whouH introduces me to the right woman wins a VAX!  How's THAT for motivation!   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:56:28 -0400r* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>/ Subject: Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"a- Message-ID: <392CA46C.80374AAA@tsoft-inc.com>@   Hoff Hoffman wrote:e > \ > In article <392B4FF2.49E86B68@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:N > :Darn, I only got 13 VMS systems.  Now I feel left out.  Wait, I have 6 moreF > :at another site!  How's 19 sound? Anybody else got a better number? > B >   You don't really want me answer to that question, do you?  :-) > P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com  O I would expect companies to possibly have quite a large number of systems.  I'mmN refering to non-Compaq individuals who have that many systems that are devotedO to their sole use.  Some of us are pack rats and just keep collecting old stuffFK instead of pitching it.  So yeah, how many do you have solely for your use?o  O Guess it was a kinda stupid thing to write hat where you and your friends couldT read it. :-)  L Or, I could have heard from the guy(s) at Sandia that bought 1200-1500 or so DS10Ls a while back.   Dave   -- n4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com  Vanderbilt, PA  15486i   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.290 ************************