1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 26 May 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 293       Contents:J Re: Absolute fastest way to get a 100% correct record count for RMS files?J Re: Absolute fastest way to get a 100% correct record count for RMS files?I Re: Absolute fastest way to get a 100% correct record count for RMSfiles? 
 Re: AES V2.2E ' beta tester w/ TCPware & APC UPS needed  Re: Capellas supports Microsoft  Re: Capellas supports Microsoft  RE: Capellas supports Microsoft  Re: Capellas supports Microsoft  Comments on ABS v3.0, Re: Compaq not as bad as Andrew says (wish?)& Converting VOX$UTIL .dat files to .wav  re:  disk usage keeps growing... Re: disk usage keeps growing...  DSN Link RE: DSN Link Re: DSN Link Re: DSN Link ES40 Configuration Re: ES40 Configuration Re: ES40 Configuration Faxing from OpenVMS  Re: Faxing from OpenVMS  Re: Faxing from OpenVMS  RE: Faxing from OpenVMS  Re: Faxing from OpenVMS  Re: Faxing from OpenVMS  Re: Faxing from OpenVMS  Re: ftp connection too slow... Re: ftp connection too slow... Re: ftp connection too slow... Re: ftp connection too slow... Re: help with VAXstation II/GPX  Re: help with VAXstation II/GPX  Re: How can I redefine printf? Re: How can I redefine printf? Re: HP Printer Support Winge Re: HP Printer Support Winge Re: Install options?" Re: Looking for PW API information" Re: Looking for PW API information! Re: Looking for sudo like utility ! Re: Looking for sudo like utility ! Re: Looking for sudo like utility # Re: Mapping HSJ Storage controllers  Re: Memory/System Optimization Re: Memory/System Optimization message in anonymous FTP?  Re: MicroVMS 4.4 Re: MicroVMS 4.4 Re: MicroVMS 4.4 Re: MicroVMS 4.4 Re: MicroVMS 4.4 Re: MicroVMS 4.4 Re: MicroVMS 4.4 Re: MicroVMS 4.4 Motif - Version? Re: Motif - Version?: Re: nice article on Alpha futures (was Re: VMS what's VMS)A Re: OpenVMS commentaries (was Re: Gartner commentary on Wildfire)  print problem Please help  Re: print problem Please help 7 RE: reading and/or forwarding other users EXISTING mail  Re: Scheduling Re: Set host/mop Shareware: txt2pdf PRO Telnetsym and tabs not printing 
 RE: urgent/ Re: VAX VMS 7.2 Bug?  ;  backup/image/(no)alias / Re: VAX VMS 7.2 Bug?  ;  backup/image/(no)alias / Re: VAX VMS 7.2 Bug?  ;  backup/image/(no)alias  Re: VMS marketing  VMS what's VMS Re: VMS what's VMS Re: VMS what's VMS Re: VMS what's VMS Re: VMS what's VMS Re: VMS what's VMS Re: VMS what's VMS& Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"& Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"& Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"& Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"& RE: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"& Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:17:21 GMT 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) S Subject: Re: Absolute fastest way to get a 100% correct record count for RMS files? + Message-ID: <9DF6llOPrTvg@eisner.decus.org>   X In article <gLjX4.1941$pE1.2377@client>, "Dann Corbit" <dcorbit@solutionsiq.com> writes:H > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message' > news:70qH2EP6HbVD@eisner.decus.org...   E >> Speed improvements of SYS$FIND over SYS$GET will not be visible on I >> your primary index, because the leaf nodes are actually the data nodes H >> so you end up reading all the data blocks into memory anyway.  If youD >> want the fastest record count, use SYS$FIND on a secondary index. > J > That's interesting (and a bit counter-intuitive).  Why would a secondaryN > index be faster?  Most of the time I will be dealing with files with several
 > indexes.  A It is rather simple math.  Consider a file with 5 million records D and presume that a block can contain either a leaf node and a recordE (as would be the case for a primary index) or 50 leaf nodes (as would D be the case for a secondary index).  Would you rather read 5,000,0003 blocks or 100,000 blocks to get your record count ?   E Of course the secondary index approach fails if you have some records / not in the secondary index ("allow null keys").   A Depending on your file and how you maintain it, there may be some B greater locality of reference on the primary key, but I think that@ would likely get lost in the noise when you consider that really@ one is dealing with "buckets" rather than "blocks".  To the best@ of my knowledge, RMS does not engage in "read ahead" behavior on indexed files.  C And all of my comments are just based on shooting from the hip with F a Usenet answer, not on actual experience.  Since you are the one withE the need, you are the one who gets to experiment.  Please report back ' with your results, so others can learn.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:23:18 GMT 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) S Subject: Re: Absolute fastest way to get a 100% correct record count for RMS files? + Message-ID: <EsiXLqKehrbh@eisner.decus.org>   R In article <8gkepv$75j$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes:N > There may be such an accurate count available now from RMS, but there wasn't6 > when I was familiar with it, and the reason is this:  2 <snip some fine internals and alternative designs>  D But the _real_ reason there is no support for such an accurate countB is that there has been little demand.  Most current development onB all operating systems is aimed at making things more simultaneous.A That is quite the opposite from making applications that every so   often "stop to count the roses".  = Of course if you control the applications that add and delete = records, it is possible to use the VMS lock manager to keep a = highly accurate count without relying on RMS (until you go to  store the count on disk :-).   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:20:31 GMT - From: Lonnie Carreau <Lonnie.Carreau@mci.com> R Subject: Re: Absolute fastest way to get a 100% correct record count for RMSfiles?' Message-ID: <392E6C17.735A6EA5@mci.com>   2 If you were going to use DCL, I would prefer this:  % $convert/nocreate/stat <filename> nl:    -Lonnie    Phil Howell wrote:  E > Using the theory "you can do an anything in dcl if you really want" , > $search/log/noout/stat <filename> <string>" > will give you an accurate figure; > You will have to compare it with other methods for speed.  > Phil > 8 > Dann Corbit <dcorbit@solutionsiq.com> wrote in message$ > news:EgiX4.1939$pE1.2272@client...I > > I want to get the fastest possible 100% accurate record count for RMS  > files. > > M > > I tried both sys$get() and sys$find() and was astonished to see that they L > > were the same speed.  I would think that sys$find() would be much faster5 > > since it does not have to actually read the data.  > > J > > I don't care about indexes or anything of that nature.  I just want to > know' > > exactly how many records there are.  > > J > > I thought about simply doing an ordinary fopen(), seek to the end, andN > > ftell() but record compression might screw up that calculation.  I do want > > the exact current count. > > J > > I suspect that there is some brilliant way to do this that many of you > guruJ > > types are aware of.  Please help an ignorant sack of cat dung find the > > proper solution. > >  > > Many thanks in advance.  > >  > > --4 > > C-FAQ: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html( > >  "The C-FAQ Book" ISBN 0-201-84519-95 > > C.A.P. Newsgroup   http://www.dejanews.com/~c_a_p M > > C.A.P. FAQ: ftp://38.168.214.175/pub/Chess%20Analysis%20Project%20FAQ.htm  > >    ------------------------------  / Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 08:46:57 +0200 (MET DST) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> Subject: Re: AES V2.2E/ Message-ID: <200005260545.HAA11841@fom.fgan.de>    Hello,  K yes we have AES 2.2E running here in Ettlingen (Germany). In case of having L ISDN we do use an Elsa ISDN TLpro ISDN terminal adapter. This one works fineD for us. I do have a few problem with the changed behavior of DSN ITSD (only one line buffer for line editing) and that ther is no documen-I tation of complete new one AES. That's a normal UNIX problem (the new AES @ is the UNIX version build for OpenVMS), bad or no documentation.   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:42:43 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) 0 Subject: beta tester w/ TCPware & APC UPS needed0 Message-ID: <009EAA8F.F7C7D47F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  L If you are running TCPware and have an APC UPS (Smart-UPS of recent vintage)J and would consider beta testing some software, please contact me.  Thanks.   --N VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001           VAXman@TMESIS.COM  L GNU Freeware -- What does the GNU *really* stand for?  Garbage!  Not Usable!   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:46:47 +0000 / From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> ( Subject: Re: Capellas supports Microsoft6 Message-ID: <009EAA90.89375317.9@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>   > I > I suspect he should have stayed silent, simply because his views easily H > give the impression that Compaq is staunchly in Microsoft's camp, even > though he didn't say that.  G Indeed. I wonder who applied the "spin", and who paid the spinmeisters?  > H > However, I understand the sentiments. Yes, Microsoft was found to haveH > engaged in unfair and improper business practices. I also have troubleH > feeling much sympathy for Microsoft. But at the same time I get queasyA > over having the courts decide which software features should or G > shouldn't be bundled together, or which types of software are allowed @ > under one vendor's roof. It feels like a bad precedent to set. >   G I have to publicly disagree. Capitalism works in everyone's favour only F when monopolistic abuses are prevented and FAIR competition rules the  roost.    H Microsoft was caught breaking the rules once before. It got its knuckles1 rapped and promised to mend its ways. It didn't.    H So it's back in court. It had the opportunity to defend itself, and onceH the court found against it also had the opportunity to propose remedies.K IMO its suggestions to date on the latter front amount to "rap my knuckles  ? again and I really, really promise to be a good boy in future".   J I for one don't believe promises from repeat offenders who lied last time." Neither, it seems, does the judge.  M So the government wants to break Microsoft into independant operating systems K and applications companies, and wants sufficient controls to make sure that F these companies are truly independant rather than continuing to favourI each other with undocumented private hooks into each others products that G people outside the privileged few can't use. Seems altogether good news K to me. The applications company will be free to port Office, etc., to other J platforms. The operating systems company will finally have an incentive toD fix the bugs, rather than relying on the "unbreakable" link between G applications and system to force repeated upgrades to ever more bloated J software on everyone. The shareholders may well come out laughing in a few! years (witness the AT&T breakup!)   I I hope, and can't see any reason to doubt, that once the basic principles G are won, the government will leave the fine details of exactly who gets E what to the software people, subject only to supervision to make sure J that the demerged companies are competing on a level playing field and notO secretly supporting each other (with undocumented interfaces, cross-subsidies,  ; code inserted solely to hamstring competing products, etc.)   J If you are REALLY cynical, you might imagine that Compaq would feel safer I with a single Microsoft crippled and hemmed in by governmental overseers, C than with two or three newly-liberated "baby Bills" looking for new H pastures to expand into. Hence some vague support for MS as is would be - appropriate! Me, I'm not quite that cynical.     	Yours, 
 		Nigel Arnot - 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                      7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:37:29 GMT 0 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com>( Subject: Re: Capellas supports Microsoft& Message-ID: <Fv608G.9zo@world.std.com>  < "Nigel Arnot" <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> wrote in message0 news:009EAA90.89375317.9@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk... > > K > > I suspect he should have stayed silent, simply because his views easily J > > give the impression that Compaq is staunchly in Microsoft's camp, even > > though he didn't say that. > I > Indeed. I wonder who applied the "spin", and who paid the spinmeisters?  > > J > > However, I understand the sentiments. Yes, Microsoft was found to haveJ > > engaged in unfair and improper business practices. I also have troubleJ > > feeling much sympathy for Microsoft. But at the same time I get queasyC > > over having the courts decide which software features should or I > > shouldn't be bundled together, or which types of software are allowed B > > under one vendor's roof. It feels like a bad precedent to set. > >  > I > I have to publicly disagree. Capitalism works in everyone's favour only G > when monopolistic abuses are prevented and FAIR competition rules the  > roost. > J > Microsoft was caught breaking the rules once before. It got its knuckles2 > rapped and promised to mend its ways. It didn't. > J > So it's back in court. It had the opportunity to defend itself, and onceJ > the court found against it also had the opportunity to propose remedies.L > IMO its suggestions to date on the latter front amount to "rap my knucklesA > again and I really, really promise to be a good boy in future".  > L > I for one don't believe promises from repeat offenders who lied last time.$ > Neither, it seems, does the judge.  F Well, a significant number of Americans feel otherwise. They voted forK Clinton twice. And some would vote for him again if the Constitution didn't  proscribe same.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:14:02 -0400 ) From: "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com> ( Subject: RE: Capellas supports MicrosoftB Message-ID: <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A6152@and02.drc.com>   > -----Original Message-----7 > From: Terry C. Shannon [mailto:shannon@world.std.com] H > Well, a significant number of Americans feel otherwise. They voted for: > Clinton twice. And some would vote for him again if the  > Constitution didn't  > proscribe same.  >   ? Actually, it's an AMENDMENT to the constitution that limits the 7 an individuals time as president to (roughly) 10 years.        Eric Ebinger Dynamics Research Corporation    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:35:17 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> ( Subject: Re: Capellas supports Microsoft( Message-ID: <8gmcfo$13m$1@pyrite.mv.net>  9 Terry C. Shannon <shannon@world.std.com> wrote in message   news:Fv608G.9zo@world.std.com... > > > "Nigel Arnot" <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> wrote in message2 > news:009EAA90.89375317.9@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk...   ...   H > > I for one don't believe promises from repeat offenders who lied last time. & > > Neither, it seems, does the judge. > H > Well, a significant number of Americans feel otherwise. They voted forF > Clinton twice. And some would vote for him again if the Constitution didn't > proscribe same.   L Yup - I sure would:  I suspect the country's considerably better off than itL would have been under any likely alternative.  And while his personal moralsK are to say the least questionable, how much worse they are than the average J politician's (of either major party) is also questionable - and as for hisK political ethics, they bear a striking resemblance to those currently being I displayed by good ol' boy George W., so one should tread lightly there...   I But one should not include me in the number of Americans who believe that J Microsoft should be left alone, and I'm not sure why you seem to think theK two positions have any connection:  my guess would be that the intersection < of the two sets is considerably smaller than either of them.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:05:19 -0500V1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>C Subject: Comments on ABS v3.0w8 Message-ID: <8gm3kv$71u$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  H We've been trying for a few months now to get ABS v3.0a to run reliably.  I Policy engine failures, media off-line and several other items seem to beE preventing this.  9 Support has been involved all along.  Still no solutions.s  & We heard there's a 3.0b out there now.  B Anyone here using - or put another way - trying to use this stuff?   Dave...    ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2000 15:42:37 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)5 Subject: Re: Compaq not as bad as Andrew says (wish?)S, Message-ID: <8gm61d$bdd@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  Y In article <Fv58CG.Gtz@world.std.com>, "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com> writes:o >> >3 >> > Compaq should gain Number One ranking in 2H00.M >>& >> Forgive my ignorance, what is HPTC? >p. >Easy... High Performance Technical Computing! >n  F By definition though, none of this is OpenVMS.  It refers to the huge C Tru64 and Linux/Alpha farms that places like Celera run.   Go visit = the HPTC pages and nary a word about OpenVMS will you find.  ?     http://www.digital.com/hpc/   K Compaq is absolutely not interested in selling OpenVMS for this market.  If?I they were they would keep the compiler features on par with Tru64 (the C eL compiler for Tru64 has profile based optimization and all the libraries are J available compiled to take advantage of the latest processors). They wouldJ also deal with the lack of automatic file caching, which no amount of RMS K fiddling will make up for and leads to dramatic increases in throughput in  I most instances.  (Data integrity is not much of an issue in this market -iJ most of the computing is data in, crunch, data out, and if the power fails* in the middle you just start over again.)   H The irony is that OpenVMS was the HPTC workhorse of the 80's, and it wasI probably that market which enabled it to grow into the "Enterprise" classI! OS that Compaq says it is today. o   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edut? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech  J **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:56:48 GMT  From: frnickl5@my-deja.com/ Subject: Converting VOX$UTIL .dat files to .wave) Message-ID: <8glvqn$5l1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>h  
 Greetings!  ? We have been using the DECVoice product for some time, and have-> .dat files that were created with the VOX$UTIL utility that weF want to convert to .wav files.  Basically these are  recorded messagesC that are stored in a .dat file, not sure of the format, but we wanttC to ftp them to a pc running Windows NT - or a Unix machine and thenv& convert them to a .wav or .mp3 format?   Thanks for your help   Rick Nickles    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:52:50 +0000c/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>v) Subject: re:  disk usage keeps growing... 6 Message-ID: <009EAA88.FF9F4012.4@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>   > Hi there,s >   K > I have (at the moment) a little problem, something is currently consumingaK > disk-space and soon the disk will be full (big problem). I have done someiR > investigation, walked trough all the directories, cleaned up some old files, butR > the cleaning up did just a little good, gain some free space. The disk (RZ40) isR > also mounted on other systems (all alpha OpenVMS 7.2), but only as a 'data disk'N > has a capacity of max 17.773.524 blocks, when I do a dir/total it gives usedN > 2.947.263 blocks, so you'll think that there should be about 14.800.000 free7 > blocks left, but when you do a sh dev 'disk' /fu its:rP >  max 17.773.524 blocks, used 16.783,70 blocks ? Does anyone know how i can fixA > this problem, I really can't see the solution for this problem.n >   L 1. You need READALL privilege to get the size of every file, including those>    with protections that would normally keep you out. I'd try       $ SET PROC /PRIV=READALLr@    $ DIR disk:[000000...]*.*;* /SIZE=ALLOC /SELECT=SIZE=MIN=xxxx  F to find all files on disk bigger than nnnn blocks. It's possible that G this might miss, if the problem is zillions of smaller files somewhere, I in which case /TOTAL for each directory might be more useful than /SELECTr  B Note also the /SIZE=ALLOC, which displays blocks allocated, ratherL than the default used. I've seen files with 0 blocks used, bignum allocated!  D 2. It's possible for there to be files not entered in any directory.M    Some programs have been known to create temporary files this way, and thenoO    leave them as "lost" files on the disk if the system or the program crashes.rJ    Also it's possible for a user to corrupt a .DIR file leaving all files     therein "lost"e  K    ANALYZE/DISK will reveal lost files, though it's not a very good idea tonH    use it on a disk that's not been dismounted and re-mounted privately.  G 3. Does your system do MOUNT/NOREBUILD with SET VOL/REBUILD later (such H    as at 4am?) If so, check that nothing has caused the rebuilds to stopD    happening, such as a "lost" self-submitting batch job. There's noG    harm in delaying rebuilds, but each system crash imprisons some diskaF    blocks until the next rebuild thereafter, and if rebuilds are never    happening ...  J 4. If you have disk quotas in use, you can use DISKQUOTA to see which userG    is hogging the space. If you don't want quotas but can take the disk L    offline for a short time, you can use diskquota enable / rebuild / show /(    disable to get the same information.    Hope this helps.   	Yours,i
 		Nigel Arnot:- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                      7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."m   ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2000 11:18:22 GMT+ From: "Gerke Grashuis" <g.grashuis@kpn.com>i( Subject: Re: disk usage keeps growing...8 Message-ID: <01bfc704$195d3a40$8d4c15ac@HKTGN9911301604>  I One more option for detecting the file(s) that are rapidly consuming disku space:   $SHOW DEVICES/FILES <disk>  K This shows, on a per system bases, which files the given system has open at  that time on that disk.EK Redirect the output to a file, modify the file so it becomes a command fileuG for inquiring more info on the mentioned file sized (e.g. $DIR/SIZE=ALLd <DIR><FILE>) and execute it.I Those open files with an allocation size much bigger than the actual size 7 (and growing rapidly) are likely to cause your problem.lD Stop the owner process gracefully or, if nothing else helps, kill it2 (Process ID is mentioned with $show devices/files)  
 Good luck,   Gerke Grashuis  < Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> schreef in artikel- <009EAA88.FF9F4012.4@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>...i
 > > Hi there,u > >  cC > > I have (at the moment) a little problem, something is currentlyp	 consumingeH > > disk-space and soon the disk will be full (big problem). I have done someI > > investigation, walked trough all the directories, cleaned up some oldo
 files, butJ > > the cleaning up did just a little good, gain some free space. The disk	 (RZ40) isoH > > also mounted on other systems (all alpha OpenVMS 7.2), but only as a 'data disk'aK > > has a capacity of max 17.773.524 blocks, when I do a dir/total it gives0 usedK > > 2.947.263 blocks, so you'll think that there should be about 14.800.0000 free9 > > blocks left, but when you do a sh dev 'disk' /fu its:>J > >  max 17.773.524 blocks, used 16.783,70 blocks ? Does anyone know how i can fix C > > this problem, I really can't see the solution for this problem.f > >  > H > 1. You need READALL privilege to get the size of every file, including those @ >    with protections that would normally keep you out. I'd try  >  >    $ SET PROC /PRIV=READALLiB >    $ DIR disk:[000000...]*.*;* /SIZE=ALLOC /SELECT=SIZE=MIN=xxxx > H > to find all files on disk bigger than nnnn blocks. It's possible that I > this might miss, if the problem is zillions of smaller files somewhere,-K > in which case /TOTAL for each directory might be more useful than /SELECTr > D > Note also the /SIZE=ALLOC, which displays blocks allocated, ratherC > than the default used. I've seen files with 0 blocks used, bignumf
 allocated! > F > 2. It's possible for there to be files not entered in any directory.J >    Some programs have been known to create temporary files this way, and thenH >    leave them as "lost" files on the disk if the system or the program crashes.K >    Also it's possible for a user to corrupt a .DIR file leaving all files-   >    therein "lost"a > J >    ANALYZE/DISK will reveal lost files, though it's not a very good idea toJ >    use it on a disk that's not been dismounted and re-mounted privately. > I > 3. Does your system do MOUNT/NOREBUILD with SET VOL/REBUILD later (suchyJ >    as at 4am?) If so, check that nothing has caused the rebuilds to stopF >    happening, such as a "lost" self-submitting batch job. There's noI >    harm in delaying rebuilds, but each system crash imprisons some diskIH >    blocks until the next rebuild thereafter, and if rebuilds are never >    happening ... > G > 4. If you have disk quotas in use, you can use DISKQUOTA to see whichf userI >    is hogging the space. If you don't want quotas but can take the diskaG >    offline for a short time, you can use diskquota enable / rebuild /f show /* >    disable to get the same information.  >  > Hope this helps. > 	 > 	Yours,  > 		Nigel Arnotl/ > 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                   o > 9 > 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."t >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:12:23 +0200I$ From: "Elmar Dam" <elmar@casema.net> Subject: DSN Link ( Message-ID: <8glim9$orm$1@popeye.eur.nl>   Anyone knows what this does ?? and where it stands for?   Regards,   Elmara   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 08:39:19 -0300l1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>  Subject: RE: DSN LinkeK Message-ID: <F150836441C5D311A11700508B6FF01A98348F@bdant024.bda.bobda.com>t  J Digital Service Network.  It does many things, you'll probably get info on# it at the Digital / Compaq web sitet   > ----------) > From: 	Elmar Dam[SMTP:elmar@casema.net]s% > Sent: 	Friday, May 26, 2000 7:12 AM  > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: 	DSN Link >   > Anyone knows what this does ?? > and where it stands for? > 
 > Regards, >  > Elmard >  >  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andtJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theylL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingo of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudagF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:06:50 GMTr1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>d Subject: Re: DSN Linko2 Message-ID: <392E76C6.4FE876E5@clarityconnect.com>  F Please refer to http://www1.support.compaq.com/dsnlink/v22_win_std.htm# for the current version of DSNlink.m   Elmar Dam wrote: >   > Anyone knows what this does ?? > and where it stands for? > 
 > Regards, >  > Elmars   -- nD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:17:06 GMTh1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>- Subject: Re: DSN Linke2 Message-ID: <392E792D.22D9CD74@clarityconnect.com>  H Ooops, sent a link that wasn't the best.  Here is the link to start with5 for DSNlink.  http://www1.support.compaq.com/dsnlink/s   Elmar Dam wrote: >   > Anyone knows what this does ?? > and where it stands for? > 
 > Regards, >  > Elmar    -- lD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:46:27 GMTn, From: Stanley Hippler <shippler@my-deja.com> Subject: ES40 Configurations) Message-ID: <8glrmu$2i4$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  F From our local sales rep, we requested an ES40 configuration; dual 667A processors, 4 gigabytes ram, roughly 200 gigabytes Raid-5 capable F disk.  The response included dual HSZ80 controllers, twenty-four 9 gig$ disks to meet the disk requirements.  H While this is skimpy information I am supplying, what I want to know is:+     1) Is this really a one-node "cluster"?h:     2) Does this seem like a reasonable disk configuration?     3) Given the associated costs of using the HSZ80s, is there >        some other I/O configuration that should be considered?  F I can set up and run a cluster.  However, this is a single machine.  I? would prefer a more simple I/O solution, without the clustering  management overhead.  D The main software applications will include SCT's Plus2000 packages,- email for up to 8000 students, OSU webserver.l  * Any responses will be greatly appreciated.   Stanley Hipplere McNeese State University    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:14:29 GMTt1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>a Subject: Re: ES40 Configuration 2 Message-ID: <392E94B1.71491E1F@clarityconnect.com>  E There really is no distinction between a standalone node and a singlerH node cluster these days.  In one you just turn off clustering and in theD other you turn it on.  The organization of the system disk stays theC same.  In this particular config there is no requirement to turn on @ clustering.  You will be able to access the HSZ disks just fine.  E Whether the disk config is reasonable or not depends on you IO needs.i  F The 3rd question can only be knowledgably answered if one knows the IOH requirements of the the applications this system will run.  Just knowingC the applications is of no help.  How much disk space do you project E you'll need.  How will it be organized?  What will be the IO loads to0H the different volumes?  Will you be using host-based shadowing, stripingH or RAID?  What controller based storage options do you plan to use, RAID
 0, 1, 0+1, 5?.   Stanley Hippler wrote: > H > From our local sales rep, we requested an ES40 configuration; dual 667C > processors, 4 gigabytes ram, roughly 200 gigabytes Raid-5 capablecH > disk.  The response included dual HSZ80 controllers, twenty-four 9 gig& > disks to meet the disk requirements. > J > While this is skimpy information I am supplying, what I want to know is:- >     1) Is this really a one-node "cluster"?m< >     2) Does this seem like a reasonable disk configurationA >     3) Given the associated costs of using the HSZ80s, is theree@ >        some other I/O configuration that should be considered? > H > I can set up and run a cluster.  However, this is a single machine.  IA > would prefer a more simple I/O solution, without the clustering  > management overhead. > F > The main software applications will include SCT's Plus2000 packages,/ > email for up to 8000 students, OSU webserver.  > , > Any responses will be greatly appreciated. >  > Stanley Hipplerc > McNeese State University > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.    -- eD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:01:16 GMTw From: d.webb@mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: ES40 Configuration-) Message-ID: <8gmakh$ecj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>.  ) In article <8glrmu$2i4$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,w/   Stanley Hippler <shippler@my-deja.com> wrote:nH > From our local sales rep, we requested an ES40 configuration; dual 667C > processors, 4 gigabytes ram, roughly 200 gigabytes Raid-5 capable H > disk.  The response included dual HSZ80 controllers, twenty-four 9 gig& > disks to meet the disk requirements. >eF > While this is skimpy information I am supplying, what I want to know is:m- >     1) Is this really a one-node "cluster"? < >     2) Does this seem like a reasonable disk configurationA >     3) Given the associated costs of using the HSZ80s, is therer@ >        some other I/O configuration that should be considered? >>H > I can set up and run a cluster.  However, this is a single machine.  IA > would prefer a more simple I/O solution, without the clusteringo > management overhead. >oF > The main software applications will include SCT's Plus2000 packages,/ > email for up to 8000 students, OSU webserver.  >i, > Any responses will be greatly appreciated. >w > Stanley Hippler  > McNeese State University > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.t >     H Although (assuming you have the license) you can turn a single node into. a cluster I can't think why you would want to.  3 The HSZ80s are just external UltraSCSI controllers.pA The dual redundant configuration will provide some load balancingdB increasing io performance and will protect against losing all your! storage should a controller fail.dB According to your requirements in these areas you might be able to( just have one HSZ80. Do you feel lucky ?  G If you really want 200GB of usable raid disk then I think you will needw more disks (or larger disks).t  G Assuming they really are 9GB (and not really 8.xGB) then this gives you  216GB.G So to get 200GB of raid disks you would either have to just set them upeE as (raid 0 ) stripe sets (in which case you lose 1 you lose the set -  not a good use of raid).G Or have them setup as a single raid-5 set. This would give you 23 x 9GBe = 207GB of usable space.G I am not even sure you can have that many disks in a single raid-5 set.   G Certainly the more usual situation is to have raid-5 raid sets of say 5*D disks each. For each raid set you would then have 4 x 9 GB of usable: space (ie you have lost 1 disk to the raid 5 information).  C The number of disks you "lose" in this way will take you well belowo 200GB of usable disk space.l  E Other configuarations such as mirroring (Raid 1 ) some disks will eatd up even more disks.d   Do you want 9GB disks ?e  ; 18GB disks are certainly supported and possibly 36GB disks..  D How are the disks and controllers being supported  - Raid array 7000- cabinet , ESA10000 cabinet , something else ?t    4 You've probably included this but just to make sure.: What are you doing about a backup device ? Stackable DLT ?E Will it connect to the HSZ80's using up a channel or be directly of a. PCI slot on the system ?  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.c   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:51:50 GMTx1 From: "Dan Kennedy" <dkennedy@marine-atlantic.ca>( Subject: Faxing from OpenVMS$ Message-ID: <392e72df.0@209.128.1.3>  J I am looking for any information regarding Fax software running on OpenVMSJ Alpha V7.2   All I can find on my own so far is GoldFax and I have used itH in the past and was not impressed with it. Any help on the topic will be appreciated.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:06:10 -0700'2 From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.demon.co.uk>  Subject: Re: Faxing from OpenVMS6 Message-ID: <392EE742.6C0E55FB@BlueBubble.demon.co.uk>   Dan Kennedy wrote:  L > I am looking for any information regarding Fax software running on OpenVMSL > Alpha V7.2   All I can find on my own so far is GoldFax and I have used itJ > in the past and was not impressed with it. Any help on the topic will be > appreciated.  < IMHO PMDF is pure class.  Check out: http://www.innosoft.com  	 Roy Omondu Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:18:36 -0400*  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com  Subject: Re: Faxing from OpenVMS4 Message-ID: <C22568EB.004DC48C.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  : Roy.Omond@bluebubble.demon.co.uk on 05/26/2000 05:06:10 PM  2 Please respond to Roy.Omond@bluebubble.demon.co.uk   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.come cc: ! Subject:  Re: Faxing from OpenVMSc         /Dan Kennedy wrote:e /fM /> I am looking for any information regarding Fax software running on OpenVMSsM /> Alpha V7.2   All I can find on my own so far is GoldFax and I have used it K /> in the past and was not impressed with it. Any help on the topic will beo /> appreciated.d /   L I have been using GoldFax for years without problems; I guess it takes a lot to impress you.e  M I believe OMTOOL http://www.omtool.com still sells an OpenVMS (FaxSr) server,h2 although their emphasis is now on other platforms.  8 [Disclaimer:  No connection with any fax server vendor.]  = /IMHO PMDF is pure class.  Check out: http://www.innosoft.com  /c
 /Roy Omond /Blue Bubble Ltd.  /t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:20:10 -0300l1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>y  Subject: RE: Faxing from OpenVMSK Message-ID: <F150836441C5D311A11700508B6FF01A98349F@bdant024.bda.bobda.com>e  J Take a look at FaxSR (Fax Senior), it works well for us.  It's supplied by@ OMTOOL I am unaware of the price.  Take a look at www.omtool.com - Darren   > ----------6 > From: 	Dan Kennedy[SMTP:dkennedy@marine-atlantic.ca]% > Sent: 	Friday, May 26, 2000 9:51 AM  > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: 	Faxing from OpenVMS  > L > I am looking for any information regarding Fax software running on OpenVMSL > Alpha V7.2   All I can find on my own so far is GoldFax and I have used itJ > in the past and was not impressed with it. Any help on the topic will be > appreciated. >  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential anddJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they L are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingt of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudaoF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:28:50 +0200 (MET)o From: ZINSER@sysdev.exchange.de   Subject: Re: Faxing from OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <01JPV1TCIGKYAW977Y@sysdev.exchange.de>8  : > From:	IN%"INFO-VAX@MVB.SAIC.COM" 26-MAY-2000 15:59:00.19 > Subj:	Faxing from OpenVMSa  L > I am looking for any information regarding Fax software running on OpenVMSL > Alpha V7.2   All I can find on my own so far is GoldFax and I have used itJ > in the past and was not impressed with it. Any help on the topic will be > appreciated.   Hello!  < 	The following list contains links to some providers of FAX  	Software for OpenVMS.  >         http://www.decus.de:8080/www/eng/vms/comlinks/sw.htmlx  8 	Note: I'm not affiliated with any companys on this list 	(at least not anymore ;-).    				Greetings, MartineP Dr. Martin P.J. Zinser                                 zinser@sysdev.exchange.de2 Deutsche Boerse Systems AG                        O Koenigsberger Str. 29                                  Tel: +49 69 2101 5634   sL 60284 Frankfurt                                        FAX: +49 69 2101 3411P Germany                                                Private:  zinser@decus.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:09:16 -0400$  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com  Subject: Re: Faxing from OpenVMS4 Message-ID: <C22568EB.0057E436.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  H Is this information available from a URL without a port that my firewall
 disallows?        3 ZINSER@sysdev.exchange.de on 05/26/2000 10:28:50 AM    To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.come cc: ! Subject:  Re: Faxing from OpenVMSc        < > From:   IN%"INFO-VAX@MVB.SAIC.COM" 26-MAY-2000 15:59:00.19 > Subj:   Faxing from OpenVMS!  L > I am looking for any information regarding Fax software running on OpenVMSL > Alpha V7.2   All I can find on my own so far is GoldFax and I have used itJ > in the past and was not impressed with it. Any help on the topic will be > appreciated.   Hello!  ?      The following list contains links to some providers of FAX       Software for OpenVMS.  >         http://www.decus.de:8080/www/eng/vms/comlinks/sw.htmlx  <      Note: I'm not affiliated with any companys on this list      (at least not anymore ;-).   %                     Greetings, MartinOP Dr. Martin P.J. Zinser                                 zinser@sysdev.exchange.de Deutsche Boerse Systems AGL Koenigsberger Str. 29                                  Tel: +49 69 2101 5634L 60284 Frankfurt                                        FAX: +49 69 2101 3411P Germany                                                Private:  zinser@decus.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:43:28 GMTs, From: DRHarrold@earthlink.net (Dave Harrold)  Subject: Re: Faxing from OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <392eb778.101045946@news.earthlink.net>e  3 On Fri, 26 May 2000 11:20:10 -0300, "Boyle, Darren"e" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> wrote:  K >Take a look at FaxSR (Fax Senior), it works well for us.  It's supplied by A >OMTOOL I am unaware of the price.  Take a look at www.omtool.com.	 >- Darren  >-  C Sorry,  FaxSr for VMS was killed off by Omtool.  You may be able to @ still get it, but no support.  Too bad, I liked the product much better than GoldFax.   Dave Harrold      [ ===========================================================================================-[ Dave Harrold                                               E-Mail: David_Harrold@Aurora.orgrQ Sr. Software Systems Engineer                              Phone : (414) 647-62043Q Aurora Health Care                                         FAX   : (414) 647-4999l 3031 W. Montana Street Milwaukee, WI 53234o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:25:05 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>I' Subject: Re: ftp connection too slow...k) Message-ID: <392D1BA1.AAF1649F@bbc.co.uk>n   celsonardi@my-deja.com wrote:a   > Hi, H > I have a VAX 4000-100 running OpenVMS V6.2 and TCP/IP Services VersionF > V4.2 - ECO 3, and clients running Win98 logged on an NT Domain. ThatH > clients, when try to connect to the VMS Ftp Server, delays a long timeG > before display the prompt for the username, about 60 or 70 seconds...iE > Do you have some tips for improving this performance? On others ftpaH > servers, such VMS or NT or even MVS, the connection is fast. Any help? >t   Hmmm, could be many things.r  @ Does the delay happen also with telnet connections from the sameB machine, or just with ftp? The former points to a network problem,? the latter to some sort of ftp performance problem on your VAX.-  A I also have VAX 4000-100's and a W95 desktop. ftp connections arem very quick.l   Laterl   >r > TIA, > Celso. >j( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.n   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofl MedAS or the BBC.m   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:20:19 GMT	1 From: schreiber@eisner.decus.org (Jeff Schreiber) ' Subject: Re: ftp connection too slow...a+ Message-ID: <KSAQkIg2LrSZ@eisner.decus.org>-  e In article <392CD873.5C7F2F5E@whitehouse.nl>, Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl> writes:j > celsonardi@my-deja.com wrote:3 >> 2' >> TCP/IP Services Version V4.2 - ECO 3sI >> clients, when try to connect to the VMS Ftp Server, delays a long timenH >> before display the prompt for the username, about 60 or 70 seconds... > F > The usual cause for this is that the ftp server tries to resolve theH > clients IP address to its hostname. Apparently this fails. You can try= > to add the clients in the hosts database on the VMS system.n >   H     Better advise would be to look into why the lookup of the IP addressH     isn't working, adding it to the hosts database is a good enough workH     around.  But it's like an asprin... how do you know there isn't some     big problem?  E     I helped one person with this complaint [although telnet], and iteC     actually turned out that the authoritative nameserver had neveraH     started up.  Adding the entry to the hosts file wouldn't have solved,     anything other than for that one client.  1                                             -Jeffy   --1 Jeff Schreiber,            Process Software Corp. 1 schreiber@mx.process.com   http://www.process.come+      TCPware & MultiNet: Stronger than Everi   ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2000 15:46:44 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)' Subject: Re: ftp connection too slow...u, Message-ID: <8gm694$bdd@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  Y In article <392D1BA1.AAF1649F@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:  >n >f >celsonardi@my-deja.com wrote: >' >> Hi,I >> I have a VAX 4000-100 running OpenVMS V6.2 and TCP/IP Services VersioneG >> V4.2 - ECO 3, and clients running Win98 logged on an NT Domain. ThatiI >> clients, when try to connect to the VMS Ftp Server, delays a long time-H >> before display the prompt for the username, about 60 or 70 seconds...F >> Do you have some tips for improving this performance? On others ftpI >> servers, such VMS or NT or even MVS, the connection is fast. Any help?o >>  O Is this for anonymous FTP or to an account?  If the latter, check the login.comy file for something like a    $ set term/inquire  D which is running in a noninteractive mode.  If this is the problem, B temporarily removing the login.com from the account will result inK a "fast" FTP, and then you can figure out which bit of login.com is messed n* up after that.  Same deal for sylogin.com.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edud? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech y   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:24:53 GMTi From: walkerp1@my-deja.com' Subject: Re: ftp connection too slow...a) Message-ID: <8gm8g1$cik$1@nnrp1.deja.com>o  ) In article <8gh20i$je1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,g   celsonardi@my-deja.com wrote:l > Hi,eH > I have a VAX 4000-100 running OpenVMS V6.2 and TCP/IP Services VersionF > V4.2 - ECO 3, and clients running Win98 logged on an NT Domain. ThatH > clients, when try to connect to the VMS Ftp Server, delays a long timeG > before display the prompt for the username, about 60 or 70 seconds...tE > Do you have some tips for improving this performance? On others ftpiH > servers, such VMS or NT or even MVS, the connection is fast. Any help? >s > TIA, > Celso.  G I did two things to clear up a similar problem.  Made sure that the DNS D table contained entries for the caller, and modified my system login$ script to fasttrack FTP connections.   Paul    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.v   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:22:00 +0100,- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>.( Subject: Re: help with VAXstation II/GPX) Message-ID: <392D1AE8.2AFD7490@bbc.co.uk>    Christopher Smith wrote:  + > On Wed, 24 May 2000, Tim Llewellyn wrote:l >pK > > Tim, who seems to remember much fun and games reaffixing side panels toaM > > BA123 cabs, and is trying to decide whether the MicroVAX 2000 now sittingmQ > > right behind me is even worth the trouble of finding the right console cable.r > G > Well, if you need something to do for an hour, you can get some cheap.E > parts and make one.  I've "noctournally aviated" adapters for threeeJ > microvax 2000s, and one mmj->microvax 2000 printer port adapter, myself.J > (All still in use and working fine.  Generally it's less than half hours > work to put one together.) >t  M OK Chris, help me out here, I'm assuming the console for the MicroVAX 2000 iseR under the "lip" on the far left (as viewed from behind). Or is it the 9 pin on the right?N And what is that 15 pin in the middle under the "lip" ? (its not AUI, there is another 15 pin for that).h   Cheers   >e
 > Regards, >l > Chris  >mQ > =============================================================================== Q > "My two cents"                  (http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562) O > Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)                   Prgramer^W Programmer ! > Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL. ' > -------------------------------------nK > "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes andpJ > weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes< > and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949Q > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------r   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uki  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofo MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:51:00 +0000 (   )a3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> ( Subject: Re: help with VAXstation II/GPXI Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10005261440500.4497-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>n  ) On Thu, 25 May 2000, Tim Llewellyn wrote:h  I > > Well, if you need something to do for an hour, you can get some cheap G > > parts and make one.  I've "noctournally aviated" adapters for threeiL > > microvax 2000s, and one mmj->microvax 2000 printer port adapter, myself.L > > (All still in use and working fine.  Generally it's less than half hours > > work to put one together.)  O > OK Chris, help me out here, I'm assuming the console for the MicroVAX 2000 is T > under the "lip" on the far left (as viewed from behind). Or is it the 9 pin on the > right?P > And what is that 15 pin in the middle under the "lip" ? (its not AUI, there is > another 15 pin for that).i  H The nine pin is a serial "printer" plug, but it's also where you want toJ plug in a terminal to use as the console.  The other plugs under the "lip"> are for the k/v/m (middle plug), and just plain 25-pin serial.  H If you want to use the printer port for a serial console, you can do one of two things:  I a) Set a jumper inside the unit to disable the video (Note that if you dos5 this, the computer will think it's a microvax 2000 ;)o   --or--  H b) Wire pins 8 and 9 (i think) of the serial port together. (AppearentlyJ there was a special DEC adapter available that did just that, but homemade ones work just as well...)  E Of course, if you don't want to use a serial console, you'll need thes3 k/v/m breakout and an extra keyboard/monitor/mouse.      Regards,   Chrise      O ===============================================================================w@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmere Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.c% -------------------------------------2I "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes andwH weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 iO --------------------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:57:35 +0700u- From: Denis Shadrin <shadrin@novosoft.nsc.ru>O' Subject: Re: How can I redefine printf?u* Message-ID: <392E124F.7442E15@novosoft.ru>   Hi!m     "John E. Malmberg" wrote:g > , > Denis Shadrin <shadrin#novosoft.ru> wrote: > ? > > I am working under VAX/VMS version V5.5-2. and have no good G > > experience in VMS OS.  I need to redefine printf() to the fprintf() ? > > for the linking not my object files (I have no sources ...).A > > So I can't do it by simple placing an appropriate object file-D > > (with a new printf()) in a linker string before other obj & lib.( > > It don't work (I don't know why ...) >  > > The compiler is: > > DECC057C > K > I would recommend reading the compiler manuals for the current version of  > DEC C. > : > http://www.openvms.digital.com/commercial/c/c_index.html > M > Then you will find out that it depends on what options were compiled in fore7 > the object files that you do not have the source for.  > M > In simple terms, if the object files were compiled with DEC C and the usuallM > default options, then when they call a routine from the standard DEC C RTL,pJ > the compiler knows to add a prefix of "decc$" to the name.  So you wouldL > expect the object file to be requesting the external routine "decc$printf" > instead of "printf". > N > But it then gets more complicated.  To execute the "decc$printf" function atI > runtime has a lot of overhead in figuring out parameters and such.  The  > optimizing phase knows this. > J > The optimizer will see if it can replace the "decc$printf" function callI > with individual calls to internal formatting routines that will produce J > identical output with out the overhead.  These specific routines are notC > documented, so it would be hard for you to intercept these calls.b > K > There are compile time options that control all of this behavior for bothlE > the prefixing and for the optimizer, along with #pragma statements.m > M > And now that you know the naming convention that the object modules expect, M > you still have the issue of linking.  The prefered method in VMS is to used:L > shared images, and your program can not have local routines named the same > as one in the shared image.l > L > There is a "BACKPORT" library that you can link with instead of the shared7 > image, if you still think you can use your technique.c >  > Now for a more simple issue. > C > Would it work for your application if you just did the following?  > % > $DEFINE/USER SYS$OUTPUT outfile.out  > $RUN programname > ) > Which is basically the same as in UNIX:r >  > programname > outfile.out  > G > The /USER causes the definition of SYS$OUTPUT to be removed when your  > program ends.I >  > -Johno > wb8tyw@qsl.network   Thank you for the answer.a  a But the last suggestion (DEFINE/USER SYS$OUTPUT outfile.out) don't acceptable for me (I had triedsd it), cause in that way the output have a more unneeded line feed, spaces and stuffs like that, so itV differs from the output file which can be get by simple run this application (stdout).     -- a With best regards0
 Denis Shadrin    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 01:28:42 -0500 ) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>a' Subject: Re: How can I redefine printf?.7 Message-ID: <018c01bfc6db$a52201b0$020a0a0a@xile.realm>a  . Denis Shadrin <shadrin#novosoft.nsc.ru> wrote: > "John E. Malmberg" wrote:S > >l > >7E > > Would it work for your application if you just did the following?n > >p' > > $DEFINE/USER SYS$OUTPUT outfile.outl > > $RUN programname > >p	 > > -John  > > wb8tyw@qsl.network >l > Thank you for the answer.o >e > But the last suggestionp& > (DEFINE/USER SYS$OUTPUT outfile.out)A > don't acceptable for me (I had tried it), cause in that way thea: > output have a more unneeded line feed, spaces and stuffs@ > like that, so it differs from the output file which can be get* > by simple run this application (stdout). >B  
 Ok, try this:    $create outfile.out;# $define/user sys$output outfile.out  $run programname $purge outfile.out  L By default a C program creates a file as a STREAM-LF file.  This output does. not work well as input to some other programs.  K Adding the DCL "create" command creates a file as a TEXT file in the format  that most applications expect.  K The the C program copys the attributes of this file as a template when it'sD output is redirected.@   -Johnl wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:14:39 +0100?- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>0% Subject: Re: HP Printer Support Wingei) Message-ID: <392D192F.447D3593@bbc.co.uk>n   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:N  O >  The Windoze print drivers tend to reprogram the power up default settings of K > HP printers, even though they tend to then totally ignore these settings.lN > This reprogramming is reinforced at regular intervals, so it does no good to' > put things back from the front panel.y >lH > The only workaround that you will have is to use a setup module at theI > beginning of your print job to put your version of the pound sign back.  >    Hi John,  J Yup, thats what I'm working on now. I have selected the correct symbol setJ from the front panel, am looking at programming the application to do this automatically right now.   Thanks  --n6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk6  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of9 MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:49:16 GMT 3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> % Subject: Re: HP Printer Support Winget/ Message-ID: <392E9EA7.1527F5FC@cableinet.co.uk>m   Bob Koehler wrote: > [ > In article <392BF808.C8DA9E23@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:  > > Hi > >oC > > The IT dept are now rolling out HP LaserJet4050's to users thatwF > > previously had LaserJet III and IV's and 4000's. The pound sign is, > > being printed incorrectly on the 4050's. > H > The Apple logo from some Apple documents I downloaded displays fine inG > Acrobat, but when I print it on my HP8000 it comes out as an enlargedd > Euro symbol. > H > Maybe Apple can pressure HP to fix this, but I can't see HP being in a > hurry otherwize. > I > Truth is, both of these may be in the font defintion somewhere and fontd0 > substitution may be the source of the problem.  F Actually, my problem was resolved using a 1990 vintage PCL manual thatF someone in the unix team had lying around, and the HP 4050 manual fromG the web site. The problem was with symbol set selection. A short escape @ sequence to set the symbol set to Roman-8 not PC-8 has fixed the problem.B However, I could not find a symbol set definition for the 4050. My investigationsE led me to believe the symbol set definitions may have changed subtly,V but03 I had other stuff to do so havn't followed this up.n  G Of course, the 4050 doesn't have a font cartridge slot, so the user has < other problems with the unix apps, but thats not a story for comp.os.vms.   Regardsy > H > ----------------------------------------------------------------------A > Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation ? > Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GroupmG >  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replyinge   -- fA Home: Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk Work: Tim.Llewellyn@bbc.co.ukw  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of r! my employers or service provider.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:57:09 -0500I) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>/ Subject: Re: Install options?y- Message-ID: <sis465sfo161@corp.supernews.com>,  ( Marco Shaw <marco@nbnet.nb.canada> wrote? in message news:01bfc6ac$18559640$12ae868e@Lxxxx.nbtel.nb.ca...l  H > I have a Multia system that I'm trying to install OpenVMS 7.2 on.  I'mH > running an updated SRM, that others have claimed success in installing: > OpenVMS on, but I haven't been able to get mine running.  K If you got the updated SRM from anywhere else than the directory referencedgD in the OpenVMS FAQ.  Go there and reinstall it.  And also follow the! instructions there to the letter.O  I The SRM from the main MULTIA pages for UNIX will *NOT* work with OpenVMS.2  G The rituals described for making the secondary boot floppy must also be 	 followed.F  K I would recommend making a third floppy that contains the DCL command filesaI with your hobby licences on it.  It will save you a lot of typing just tor get the network up.t    J > I get a succession of 'SCSI soft errors', and eventually, SRM appears to) > crash completely, and go back to '>>>'.   J It is possible that you have an unsupported or incompatable SCSI device, a$ bad SCSI device, a bad cable, etc...  K > I'd like to know what my options are?  Can I copy the OpenVMS CD to a 2ndi< > hard drive and somehow install from there onto my primary?  I Assuming no other problems, that should work.  As with what you have now,e; unless it is your CD-ROM generating these SCSI soft errors.a  < > Or does the hobbyist license of OpenVMS allow one to setup> > a RIS server so I can install that way (since I have another > Alpha @ work)?  # What do you mean by a "RIS" server?   J I have not tested it, but I would hope that a Multia can use a MOP primaryJ boot to do a secondary boot from either an Infoserver or join a Local Area* VMSCluster, as most normal VMS systems do.    K And I will stress that the system has some picky cooling requirements.  RuncF it only in it's vertical stand with good "> 3 inches" clearance on allK sides.  Failure to heed this could result in what is known as "HEAT DEATH".e   -Johnc   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 01:23:24 -0500v) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>C+ Subject: Re: Looking for PW API informationc7 Message-ID: <018401bfc6da$e7975cd0$020a0a0a@xile.realm>i  8 David Jones <JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.education> wrote:  8 > In message <8gb9os$l77$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,; >    "Pathworks News" <Daniel.Grund@notformail.com> writes:g > >What, do you want to do ? > H > I want to authenticate web/pop/imap/ldap access from the local network using J > the username and passwords of user's whose SYSUAF entries are marked forL > external authentication (i.e. PATHWORKS single signon).  At the very least itJ > would be nice to be able to compare the time of the last password update in theI > SAM DB with the SYSUAF entry so you could advise corrective action whenc the  > SYSUAF entry is stale. >aJ > >As far as the API calls, you'll get the same response from PATHWORKS as from > >Windows (at SMB level). >eH > This answer only makes sense to me if you think the question was about- > applications written on the windows client.M  I The SMBCLIENT in SAMBA-VMS 2.0.3 should support authentication to either.sI It is Open-Source, so you should be able to put a wrapper routine arroundjI the main line code and build a version limited to do your authentication.   J It should support encrypted password negotiation for either Windows NT 4.0 and Pathworks 5.0 and later.  J The SMBCLIENT in 2.0.6 in that section is essentially the same code and it is all working for me.   -Johno wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:30:13 +0200r4 From: "Pathworks News" <Daniel.Grund@notformail.com>+ Subject: Re: Looking for PW API information 6 Message-ID: <8glg6u$oj2$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   David,  @ At this point in time you can't check the password change times.9 We are working on a change on this to make this possible.o) So, for this I can only say, be patience.t  J About the API, yes I expected an Microsoft/workstation application because on OpenVMS we don't have API's., -- Daniel Grund   Compaq Customer Services." Microsoft Certified Support Centre1 Pathworks/Advanced Server Expertise Centre Europe    The Netherlands > "David Jones" <JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message4 news:8gjuc7$2r2$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...8 > In message <8gb9os$l77$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,; >    "Pathworks News" <Daniel.Grund@notformail.com> writes:  > >What, do you want to do ? >iH > I want to authenticate web/pop/imap/ldap access from the local network using,J > the username and passwords of user's whose SYSUAF entries are marked forL > external authentication (i.e. PATHWORKS single signon).  At the very least itJ > would be nice to be able to compare the time of the last password update in theI > SAM DB with the SYSUAF entry so you could advise corrective action when  thei > SYSUAF entry is stale. >AJ > >As far as the API calls, you'll get the same response from PATHWORKS as from > >Windows (at SMB level). >iH > This answer only makes sense to me if you think the question was about- > applications written on the windows client.d >  > > > David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929/ > Ohio State University        |      Internet:"  > 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     | jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu < > Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu >r- > Disclaimer: Dogs can't tell it's not bacon.L   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:37:51 -0700E2 From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.demon.co.uk>* Subject: Re: Looking for sudo like utility6 Message-ID: <392ED290.81CD0768@BlueBubble.demon.co.uk>   brewstsc@my-deja.com wrote:9  G > A long time ago, I knew of a utility, become, that would allow you to-F > become another user (on a VMS system).  It is similar to sudo in theH > unix world.  I have a need for this utility but havent had any luck inI > locating it or anything similar.  If you know where I might find such ay2 > utility, please forward me the appropriate info. >   C I'd recommend Hunter Goatley's HGLOGIN, available from ftp.wku.edu.0  	 Roy omondr Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:38:25 -0700 2 From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.demon.co.uk>* Subject: Re: Looking for sudo like utility6 Message-ID: <392ED2B1.B9716834@BlueBubble.demon.co.uk>   brewstsc@my-deja.com wrote:g  G > A long time ago, I knew of a utility, become, that would allow you torF > become another user (on a VMS system).  It is similar to sudo in theH > unix world.  I have a need for this utility but havent had any luck inI > locating it or anything similar.  If you know where I might find such am2 > utility, please forward me the appropriate info.  C I'd recommend Hunter Goatley's HGLOGIN, available from ftp.wku.edu.O  	 Roy omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2000 09:48 CSTs' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)t* Subject: Re: Looking for sudo like utility- Message-ID: <26MAY200009480093@gerg.tamu.edu>   * Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.demon.co.uk writes... }brewstsc@my-deja.com wrote: } H }> A long time ago, I knew of a utility, become, that would allow you toG }> become another user (on a VMS system).  It is similar to sudo in the)I }> unix world.  I have a need for this utility but havent had any luck inhJ }> locating it or anything similar.  If you know where I might find such a3 }> utility, please forward me the appropriate info.p } D }I'd recommend Hunter Goatley's HGLOGIN, available from ftp.wku.edu. } 
 }Roy omond }Blue Bubble Ltd..  > As long as we are recommending things, I recommend SET HOST 0.= Then enter the username and password. You will have the exact ; context of a process running as the username you specified,== which isn't surprising since you will be running in a processt< that really is running as the username in question. You just& can't beat that level of "simulation".   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 01:38:47 +09002+ From: "Kejan" <kejan99@soback.kornet21.net>d, Subject: Re: Mapping HSJ Storage controllers+ Message-ID: <8gm928$auv$1@news2.kornet.net>   J john_d_moore@reyrey.com wrote in message <8fuj8v$mdi$1@news.netmar.com>...B >In a previous article,  <kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars2> writes: >>In article@ ><C12E81FC6CF2D211956100A0C9E0FE8B01CE6DA7@oh15ex04.reyrey.com>,2 >"Moore, John D" <john_d_moore@reyrey.com> writes:D >>> ).  In a nutshell, I do a SET HOST/DUP ... within a SET HOST/LOGC >>> to execute a series of HSJ commands and trap the output, then Ii >>> parse the output and build:r >>K >>Well, you can reduce the complexity by doing a SET HOST /DUP /LOG=file inx >>one step.M >>
 >> Bob Kaplowd >>G >>SPAM: spamrecycle@ChooseYourmail.com uce@ftc.gov postmaster@127.0.0.1h >  >Bob,c >.I >  No I can't, not if I want to actually execute NON-INTERACTIVE commands E >on the HSJ ... if you examine the scripts (available at the website) K >you'll see that I'm poking some SHOW commands into a command procedure and L >executing it within the context of the SET HOST/LOG (which traps all of the	 >output).. > * >Doing a SET HOST/DUP ... /LOG=out.log ...I >would put me in an 'interactive' HSJ session ... I've got 10 controllersoF >and I don't feel like typing all the SHOW commands every time to trapD >the output.  This works, even if the coding is a little rough.  I'mK >disappointed there haven't been more takers ... guess everyone likes doingo >things the hard way.L    K Put all the show commands in a subroutine .com file. Write your main script B to have the set host's for each of the controllers, insert call toF "subroutine".   At most, you need to type the show's once, and the set
 hosts's once.e! Then you can just run the script.m  L I use something similar to examine my HSZ40's (two) in an instant and reviewJ the output later.  You should be able to have your parser call the caller,L which nests to the disk controller queries, dumps output to a file, then the@ parser analyzes the output looking for matching text, and bingo.  G By the way, you really should use the CLEAR_ERRORS CLI  command once ino awhile.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 04:55:28 -0400i/ From: "IanPercival" <IanPercival@email.msn.com> ' Subject: Re: Memory/System Optimizationm) Message-ID: <OvAcMCvx$GA.311@cpmsnbbsa09>n  : >  VCC used to only cache if the whole file could fit intoF > cache (I don't know if this is still true).   DXL, by default, would  J Just a side note, VCC never had the restriction that it would only cache aG file if the the whole file wouldn't fit into cache.  I think you may be K confusing caches with ramdisks here!   VCC DID have many other restrictionsn though..  G One other thing. On Alpha, the default maximum size of the VCC cache isiL usually  small (6400 pagelet default, or something).  The system manager hasK to explicitly increase the value of VCC_MAX_SIZE (or whatever the parameteraI name is) in order to get it to use more, as VCC is NOT a dynamic cache ono Alpha.  C All of the above restrictions are being addressed in the next major 
 release...   Iann      5 Marty Kuhrt <kuhrt@eisner.decus.org> wrote in messagef% news:uFx4LVrEtQLi@eisner.decus.org... G > In article <1nWW4.31790$S31.621956@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, 6 "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam> writes:I > > At the risk of re-starting the anti-Executive Software flames, take aa lookK > > at Executive Software's IO/Express product.  It dynamically changes the, diskJ > > cache size to use any memory that isn't being used by other processes. ItI > > took our very IO intensive nightly batch processing from over 7 hoursi down > > to just under 2 hours. >nF > IOX by Executive was rewritten a while back.   Last I heard it was aF > version one product.  The guy(s) who wrote the original IOX that wasH > bullet proof have the product back, under the name Disk Xcel.  I thinkG > they are selling it via www.rdperf.com.  (Disclaimer: I did technicaluA > support for the product in its various forms and names at threeoH > companies from inception, around 1988, through 1997.  I don't work for > any of them any longer.) >sA > When I was doing tech support, the difference between DXL, IOX,hC > PerfectCache, et. al., and VCC is that the former did block level E > caching, not file level.  Thus, only hot _blocks_ would be put into E > the cache.  VCC used to only cache if the whole file could fit intosF > cache (I don't know if this is still true).   DXL, by default, wouldG > use any unused memory for caching.  You didn't have to reboot, or setaD > SYSGEN params to adjust the cache size.  When I last supported theG > product there were switches to allow for write populating and readingu: > ahead, but I don't know if they made it into production. >-G > One thing I did find is that caching, be it VCC, or 3rd party, almost  > always improved performance. >0	 > My $.02R >HC > > "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message 4 > > news:8gh9qj$760$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... > >>L > >> In article <sio7065ao1112@corp.supernews.com>, "Dave L." <fsc@fast.net> > > writes:tJ > >> :I have recently upgraded my Alphastation 1200 5/533Mhz  to 1152MB of RAMu > >> :from 640MB.... > >>! > >>   The OpenVMS Alpha version?e > >>> > >> :Quite surprisely, batch time has not improved...actuallyG > >> :it has diminished slightly.  The process that we run is quite I/O  > > intensive. >a > [snip]   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 05:00:35 -0400c/ From: "IanPercival" <IanPercival@email.msn.com> ' Subject: Re: Memory/System Optimizationu) Message-ID: <eC1SNCvx$GA.187@cpmsnbbsa09>   : >  VCC used to only cache if the whole file could fit intoF > cache (I don't know if this is still true).   DXL, by default, would  J Just a side note, VCC never had the restriction that it would only cache aG file if the the whole file wouldn't fit into cache.  I think you may be-K confusing caches with ramdisks here!   VCC DID have many other restrictionse though..  G One other thing. On Alpha, the default maximum size of the VCC cache is.L usually  small (6400 pagelet default, or something).  The system manager hasK to explicitly increase the value of VCC_MAX_SIZE (or whatever the parameter I name is) in order to get it to use more, as VCC is NOT a dynamic cache on  Alpha.  C All of the above restrictions are being addressed in the next majorn
 release...   Ianl      5 Marty Kuhrt <kuhrt@eisner.decus.org> wrote in messagen% news:uFx4LVrEtQLi@eisner.decus.org...oG > In article <1nWW4.31790$S31.621956@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,o6 "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam> writes:I > > At the risk of re-starting the anti-Executive Software flames, take a  lookK > > at Executive Software's IO/Express product.  It dynamically changes theo diskJ > > cache size to use any memory that isn't being used by other processes. ItI > > took our very IO intensive nightly batch processing from over 7 hours  down > > to just under 2 hours. >iF > IOX by Executive was rewritten a while back.   Last I heard it was aF > version one product.  The guy(s) who wrote the original IOX that wasH > bullet proof have the product back, under the name Disk Xcel.  I thinkG > they are selling it via www.rdperf.com.  (Disclaimer: I did technical A > support for the product in its various forms and names at threesH > companies from inception, around 1988, through 1997.  I don't work for > any of them any longer.) >yA > When I was doing tech support, the difference between DXL, IOX,-C > PerfectCache, et. al., and VCC is that the former did block level E > caching, not file level.  Thus, only hot _blocks_ would be put intodE > the cache.  VCC used to only cache if the whole file could fit intolF > cache (I don't know if this is still true).   DXL, by default, wouldG > use any unused memory for caching.  You didn't have to reboot, or set D > SYSGEN params to adjust the cache size.  When I last supported theG > product there were switches to allow for write populating and reading0: > ahead, but I don't know if they made it into production. >IG > One thing I did find is that caching, be it VCC, or 3rd party, almost  > always improved performance. > 	 > My $.02n >:C > > "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message 4 > > news:8gh9qj$760$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... > >>L > >> In article <sio7065ao1112@corp.supernews.com>, "Dave L." <fsc@fast.net> > > writes:aJ > >> :I have recently upgraded my Alphastation 1200 5/533Mhz  to 1152MB of RAMe > >> :from 640MB.... > >>! > >>   The OpenVMS Alpha version?r > >>> > >> :Quite surprisely, batch time has not improved...actuallyG > >> :it has diminished slightly.  The process that we run is quite I/Oh > > intensive. >i > [snip]   ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2000 08:11:41 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)" Subject: message in anonymous FTP?. Message-ID: <8glbjt$7el$1@info.service.rug.nl>  B With TCP/IP Services 5.0A, how can I get a message displayed when ! someone logs in by anonymous FTP?v   ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2000 11:37:07 GMT, From: bill@cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: MicroVMS 4.4c+ Message-ID: <8glnl3$jm4$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>   g In article <gp2riso74cm9pt3ir14j2571qom94rc9g4@4ax.com>, Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com> writes:a |> oI |> MicroVMS 4.4 preceded LMF and PAKs.  The DECnet license was actually aAG |> kit that patched the DECnet images.  You need to obtain one of thoseI	 |> kits. s  G I have one.  It's on the same tape as DECNET. But won't it have expired I as the tape is 10 years old??  If not, could the problem be when it asked M if I wanted to be a DECNET Router I said yes but the license is for ENDNODE??t   bill   -- nJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   t   ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2000 11:39:07 GMT, From: bill@cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: MicroVMS 4.4 + Message-ID: <8glnor$jm4$3@info.cs.uofs.edu>2  j In article <4.2.0.58.20000525154004.00a72a90@pop.clsp.uswest.net>, Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> writes: |> cM |> Not only that, but I remember installing uVMS from a gazillion floppies...S( |> MAN, did that take YEARS on a uVAX I!  H Interesting.  It only took about an hour to do it from TK50 and that wasF probably due mostly to the fact that I didn't sit there at the consoleA but just walked back to it and answeredc "yes" every few minutes.c   bill   -- nJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 08:44:54 -0400e, From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com> Subject: Re: MicroVMS 4.4l8 Message-ID: <pcssis04tnird2pjesgdulgk48lb52oebp@4ax.com>  C On 26 May 2000 11:37:07 GMT, bill@cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  wrote:  h >In article <gp2riso74cm9pt3ir14j2571qom94rc9g4@4ax.com>, Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com> writes: >|> J >|> MicroVMS 4.4 preceded LMF and PAKs.  The DECnet license was actually aH >|> kit that patched the DECnet images.  You need to obtain one of those
 >|> kits.  >hH >I have one.  It's on the same tape as DECNET. But won't it have expiredJ >as the tape is 10 years old??  If not, could the problem be when it askedN >if I wanted to be a DECNET Router I said yes but the license is for ENDNODE?? >   = Indeed, if it's an ENDNODE license, you can't enable routing.,6 Otherwise, if the tape is readable, it should work ok.    - Steve Lionel (mailto:Steve.Lionel@compaq.com)r Fortran Engineering & Compaq Computer Corporation, Nashua NH  6 Compaq Fortran web site: http://www.compaq.com/fortran   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 07:25:28 -0600a% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>o Subject: Re: MicroVMS 4.4bB Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000526072312.00aad470@pop.clsp.uswest.net>  , At 05:39 AM 5/26/00 , Bill Gunshannon wrote:H >In article <4.2.0.58.20000525154004.00a72a90@pop.clsp.uswest.net>, Dan $ >O'Reilly <dano@process.com> writes: >|>eN >|> Not only that, but I remember installing uVMS from a gazillion floppies...) >|> MAN, did that take YEARS on a uVAX I!s >sI >Interesting.  It only took about an hour to do it from TK50 and that was,G >probably due mostly to the fact that I didn't sit there at the consoledB >but just walked back to it and answeredc "yes" every few minutes.  G If I remember correctly, it took 6 floppies and 10 minutes just to bootsH standalone backup, and there were something like 56 floppies in the uVMSH distribution.  Inevitably, about disk 40 or so, some error would happen,. and you had to start from the beginning again.   ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+hI | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |eI | Principal Engineer            |  "Time flies like an arrow.  Fruit    |hI | Process Software Corporation  |   flies like a banana."               |lI | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    | I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+    ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2000 13:18:30 GMT, From: bill@cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: MicroVMS 4.4 + Message-ID: <8gltj6$mlo$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>c  g In article <pcssis04tnird2pjesgdulgk48lb52oebp@4ax.com>, Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com> writes:dF |> On 26 May 2000 11:37:07 GMT, bill@cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon)	 |> wrote:3 |> 9k |> >In article <gp2riso74cm9pt3ir14j2571qom94rc9g4@4ax.com>, Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com> writes:  |> >|> hM |> >|> MicroVMS 4.4 preceded LMF and PAKs.  The DECnet license was actually a K |> >|> kit that patched the DECnet images.  You need to obtain one of thosea
 |> >|> kits. o |> >K |> >I have one.  It's on the same tape as DECNET. But won't it have expiredpM |> >as the tape is 10 years old??  If not, could the problem be when it askedLQ |> >if I wanted to be a DECNET Router I said yes but the license is for ENDNODE??- |> > |> -@ |> Indeed, if it's an ENDNODE license, you can't enable routing.9 |> Otherwise, if the tape is readable, it should work ok.s  > Well, not knowing how (or if) I can fix this, I think the bestC thing to do is just reinstall from scratch and answer the questionsf right this time.  :-)t   bill   -- uJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   e   ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2000 14:12:23 GMT, From: bill@cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: MicroVMS 4.4 + Message-ID: <8gm0o7$oje$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>M  j In article <4.2.0.58.20000526072312.00aad470@pop.clsp.uswest.net>, Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> writes: |> DJ |> If I remember correctly, it took 6 floppies and 10 minutes just to bootK |> standalone backup, and there were something like 56 floppies in the uVMSlK |> distribution.  Inevitably, about disk 40 or so, some error would happen,)1 |> and you had to start from the beginning again.   C I do remember it took substantialy longer to load Standalone Backupt than to load VMS.r   bill   -- wJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   d   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:01:06 GMTc3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>s Subject: Re: MicroVMS 4.4p/ Message-ID: <392EA170.5A3F798B@cableinet.co.uk>h   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > 1 > Anybody remember anything about the Subject: ??  > H > It's a long story, but I have installed MicroVMS 4.4 on a MicroVAX II.J > I need to get DECNET up in order to upgrade to something newer (probablyI > OVMS 7.1).  But, I can't make DECNET work because of a license problem..L > So the question; How do I install a license on a machine running VMS 4.4??M > Both the CSLG License PAKs and the one provided by the VMS Hobbyist License:J > consist of COM files that use the LICENSE command.  But 4.4 doesn't seemH > to have that command.  So, what is the proper way to install a license > on this machine??T  F Hmmmm, wasn't the LMF, the License Management Facility, only intoducedC in VMS 5? Did you try just configuring and starting DECNET? If so, e  what problems did you encounter?  $ Its been a long time since MicroVMS.  n -- pA Home: Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk Work: Tim.Llewellyn@bbc.co.uku  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of  ! my employers or service provider.R   ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2000 16:36:50 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: MicroVMS 4.4m6 Message-ID: <8gm972$3qk$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  [ In article <8gjvpl$2qaa$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:gG :It's a long story, but I have installed MicroVMS 4.4 on a MicroVAX II.o  H   Whoa.  Send me a copy of your distribution kit when you're done (as itH   looks readable), and I'll archive it in the antiques section.  (I haveG   a MicroVMS V4.4 kit on RX50 in a box, but I have no idea if the RX50 n.   media will itself still read correctly.) :-)  I :I need to get DECNET up in order to upgrade to something newer (probably H :OVMS 7.1).  But, I can't make DECNET work because of a license problem.K :So the question; How do I install a license on a machine running VMS 4.4??n  H   Nope.  LMF PAKs are valid only in (as it was then known) VAX/VMS V5.0    and later releases.i  - :But 4.4 doesn't seem to have that command.     C   Being released in July of 1986, V4.4 predates a number of OpenVMSsB   features and commands -- the LICENSE command is but one example.  B :So, what is the proper way to install a license on this machine??  E   Prior to V5.0, the DECnet licenses were patches applied to DECnet, -H   with one VMSIMSTAL kit for end-node capabilities, and one for routing.  E   Since this isn't the first time this issue has been discussed, I'd s)   suggest taking a look at the following:   6     http://www.openvms.digital.com/freeware/NETRTG040/  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:26:18 GMT # From: Philipp Gasser <ga@adasys.ch>h Subject: Motif - Version?n) Message-ID: <392E5E88.61610D9C@adasys.ch>e   Hello everyone,z  2 A simple Question for VMS - Cracks as you all are:* - I ve got an OpenVMS - Installation (6.2)@ Now, Im interested in the Motif - Version, but where/and how can I find out this information.   Thanks for your help.,   PhilippN   -- --- -- --- -- ---   Philipp Gasser ARIS AGr Lindenbachstr. 11n 8006 Zuerich   Tel. 01 / 363 11 77s Fax. 01 / 363 53 73a mailto:ga@adasys.che   ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2000 16:45:12 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Motif - Version?a6 Message-ID: <8gm9mo$3qk$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  O In article <392E5E88.61610D9C@adasys.ch>, Philipp Gasser <ga@adasys.ch> writes:E3 :A simple Question for VMS - Cracks as you all are:l+ :- I ve got an OpenVMS - Installation (6.2)nA :Now, Im interested in the Motif - Version, but where/and how canr :I find out this information.h     The direct approach:  ! $ @sys$update:DECW$VERSIONS.COM X.7 DECwindows ident is                     DW V1.2-5981105s6 DECwindows server ident is              DW V7.1-9905296 DECwindows transport ident is           DW T6.2-9905297 DECwindows xlib ident is                DW V1.2-5981105h7 DECwindows OSF/Motif Toolkit ident is   DW V1.2-5981105 7 DECwindows apps ident is                DW V1.2-5981105s7 DECwindows programming ident is         DW V1.2-59811051 $,  9   The above output is from a DECwindows Motif V1.2-5 kit.   B   If this is OpenVMS Alpha (this is why I ask that the version andB   platform be included in each question), you can also look in theA   SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL.HISTORY log or at the PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCTtB   output, depending on which format (VMSINSTAL or PCSI) Motif kit 5   was installed -- assuming OpenVMS Alpha, obviously.)   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2000 17:40:18 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)C Subject: Re: nice article on Alpha futures (was Re: VMS what's VMS)e6 Message-ID: <8gmcu2$55b$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  F In article <8gm399$8dm$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, lori5015@my-deja.com writes: :Again....No mention of VMS!!s  F   Um, so?  Ask ZD?  (I can only assume that in the employ of ZD wrote F   it, and that it was not written by any of the folks here at Compaq.)  C :http://www.zdnet.com/eweek/stories/general/0,11011,2577181,00.htmlf  D   That is definitely a nice article on Alpha microprocessor futures.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:03:45 GMT0 From: d.webb@mdx.ac.ukJ Subject: Re: OpenVMS commentaries (was Re: Gartner commentary on Wildfire)( Message-ID: <8glp6p$qp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>  , In article <8gjgkt$e61@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,&   mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu wrote:F > In article <cwaEJVUSbYej@eisner.decus.org>, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) writes:e9 > >In article <8ggo00$qc7$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, 4 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: > >>D > >>   Something like this is underway, and an internal baselevel of POSIX.F > >>   is back on-line for internal testing and development as part of the F > >>   related engineering effort involved in the new project.  (There are H > >>   presently no plans to release another version of POSIX, but thereH > >>   are plans for something that addresses similar issues and needs.) > > H > > DII-COE sounds a lot like the next attempt to do what POSIX tried toD > > do.  Compaq just committed to DII-COE for VMS, didn't they?  Any	 relation?s >n> > Hard to tell what the heck DII-COE is - the documents are in militaryese6G > (and most are in Word format, which shows how strong their commitmentc toD > formal standards is!)  I've read through some of the documents and theyF > refer to running within either csh or sh, but I have not yet found aD > reference that says that both are required for DII-COE compliance. One'F > section required testing of NIS, and somehow I doubt that we're ever > going to see that on OpenVMS.     ( NIS and Military ? Those just don't mix. NIS is totally insecure.E Anyone using NIS on military systems deserves an appointment with theh nearest firing squad.o      & >There were references about obtainingE > waivers, passing various parts of the certification, and basically, F > there's enough paperwork and wishy-washy clauses to keep a batallion ofG > clerks busy for years.   If you visit the validated platform list at:r >d/ >   http://diicoe.disa.mil/coe/kpc/KPCP_VPL.htmt > G > you'll find exactly one entry, for Tru64 4.0e (patched) on an XP1000. F > Since we can be pretty sure that the military still buys other types ofH > computers apparently DII-COE certification is not an engraved in stone) > requirement. In fact, they say so here:  >     
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:30:31 +0200h From: "Wim" <wim@wanadoo.nl>" Subject: print problem Please help* Message-ID: <8glua4$pgt$1@news1.xs4all.nl>  H I changed the ip adress of a node. And now I have the following problem."  I get this message while printing  G  UCX$TELNETSYM - (PR_VAR2) read_completion_ast read: connect to network: object timed-out or failed  8  I can ping the printer and I can telnet to the printer.  % >What can I do to solve this problem.>  
 >Many regards      I also get this error message   ; UCX$TELNETSYM - (PR_VAR2) output_routine has no IO channel.p This is our config  6 Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.15  on a AlphaServer 2100 5/250 running OpenVMS V6.2-1H3:           -- Wim Knoll, RDC Datacentrum B.V.. De Klencke 12, P.O. Box 74707e" 1070 BS Amsterdam, The Netherlands' Phone 31 - 205497171   Fax 31-206611526i GSM +31653379813   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:18:24 GMTr3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> & Subject: Re: print problem Please help/ Message-ID: <392EA577.1325DA99@cableinet.co.uk>n  
 Wim wrote: > J > I changed the ip adress of a node. And now I have the following problem.$ >  I get this message while printing > I >  UCX$TELNETSYM - (PR_VAR2) read_completion_ast read: connect to network  > object timed-out or failed > : >  I can ping the printer and I can telnet to the printer.  8 Are you sure its not a paper jam or other media problem?  F Are you sure there isn't a typo in the printer IP address in the queue definition?t  D Are you sure the printer and your recently changed address node haveG the correct network mask defined? I moved a server last week and we had D a very weird connectivity problem due to an JetDirect card no havingG network mask defined. The onsite network was 10bit (255.255.192.0 mask)nC and when the server was onsite too, it worked fine. Configuring them network mask fixed the problem.e   Always worth double checking.     n    > 8 > Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.17 >  on a AlphaServer 2100 5/250 running OpenVMS V6.2-1H3i  : What, no ECO. Get UCX4.1 ECO9 or upgrade to 4.2 latest ECO: or possibly even TCP/IP Services 5.0A (is it supported on  VMS 6.2, not sure?) ASAP..   HTHs -- DA Home: Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk Work: Tim.Llewellyn@bbc.co.uk1  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of i! my employers or service provider.    ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2000 06:46:26 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)@ Subject: RE: reading and/or forwarding other users EXISTING mail. Message-ID: <8gl6k2$5rd$1@info.service.rug.nl>  
 In articleH <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213019AEE42@seantexch.unitedad.com>, Terry, Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com> writes:    >T0: ''new user'  	 TO not T0h   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:21:08 +0200n! From: "Luc BEDU" <bedu@promod.fr>c Subject: Re: Scheduling 6 Message-ID: <8gl8nr$go6$1@news.entreprises.cegetel.fr>  ! We use $UNIVERSE, it works fine : 
 www.orsyp.com0    < Richard Brodie <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> a crit dans le message :! 8gjorb$15l2@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk...t >d> > "Robert J. Slover" <slover@Rose-Hulman.Edu> wrote in message >@L news:Pine.LNX.3.96.1000525112613.22804B-100000@rocinante.admin.rose-hulman.e du...m >cC > > This has always bugged me a little.  The approach of having the|@ > > job re-submit itself just doesn't feel 'clean'.  I've always. > > felt like SUBMIT needed another qualifier: >uA > There was the scheduling tool, Polycenter scheduler for $$. The = > freeware alternative KRONOS works well enough, although haseA > a few quirks. At least you have a single point of failure then.  >a >d   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 01:51:28 +0900n+ From: "Kejan" <kejan99@soback.kornet21.net>n Subject: Re: Set host/mopi+ Message-ID: <8gm9q1$bfd$1@news2.kornet.net>   F Mike Lynch wrote in message <8f75it$k3a$1@pampascat.middlebury.edu>...9 >Configuration: AlphaServer 400 4/233, OpenVMS AXP V7.1-2s >:H >Did I dream up this command?  What resources are insufficient? Is thereJ >another way to connect to a terminal server?  The server is a Xyplex, andF >I need to logout/disconnect a couple of ports, and configure a couple >others.    6 Do you know its IP address?  telnet IP.addr.right.here  1 you should get a pound sign or something similar.p  G type the word "access" and press enter.  you should get a prompt.  typey Help.b  J This assumes that you haven't changed the access password on the card from the default.  L I may be confusing this with the Synoptics TS3395, but they are very similar$ from my recall of the documentation.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:22:54 GMTi, From: SANFACE Software <sanface@sanface.com> Subject: Shareware: txt2pdf PROf) Message-ID: <8glj9l$stl$1@nnrp1.deja.com>a  = txt2pdf 3.x PRO is a very important evolution of txt2pdf 3.x.S' We distribute only executable versions.0G At the moment we distribute Windows, Linux, Solaris executable, you can E ask us other UNIX executables (AIX, HP-UX) or the original PERL code.-# Simpler to install, simpler to use. 8 You don't need to install PERL, perl modules, libraries.@ Your old textual reports will become very pleasing graphical PDF reports.C The data from our forms (HTML, PDF, Flash) will become pleasing PDF 
 documents.E Your applications will simply integrate the power of txt2pdf 3.x PRO.   A txt2pdf PRO offers you all the features of txt2pdf 3.x plus these- important features:- Form Feed (^L) support+ -skip1ff option to skip the first form feeda) doesn't print file name in the first linec/ the possibility to set the top and left marginssD the possibility to create compressed PDFs (only using the executable! Windows version or the PERL code) = the possibility to set all the text bold, italic, bold italic(H mailto option (the possibility to send to the specified user the createdG PDF like attach. It's possible to specify the title, the body, the SMTP>E the from user) (only using the executable Windows version or the PERLw code)aB layers: background, foreground, background only in the first page,
 backgroundB in every page without the first, foreground only in the first page1 Inside you can use PDF syntax to write and designp #!image#;;;;;;;;#!/image#, #!link#;;;;#!/link#   5 The registration fee is $500 (US) every installation.a   Download it and test it!& http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdfPRO.html     -- SANFACE Software= Your technology glasses. We help you see your full potential., http://www.sanface.com mailto:sanface@sanface.com( WAP http://www.sanface.com/wap/index.wml    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:06:59 -0400c- From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@golden.net>c( Subject: Telnetsym and tabs not printing, Message-ID: <8glt36$i5d$1@cougar.golden.net>  G We switched all of our printer queues to be telnet queues using UCX 4.2-L ECO-2 via raw format.  However, now when we print to them all tab charactersI are stripped and do not print.  If we convert tab to spaces everything ismJ fine, but is there not a way to either change the port setup on the deviceJ (in our case DEC terminal servers using telnet server and listeners) or in. the queue telnetsetup so that tabs will print.   Thanks in advance    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:30:45 -0500l/ From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com>s Subject: RE: urgentaT Message-ID: <CB874B506A79D1118FBC006097306B890312029F@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>   <On sopabox...>oJ All these posts and still no useful information for this gentleman.  MaybeG this is another reason VMS sales are slipping.  I realize that there isaK "net/newsgroup etiquette," but if it is taken to an extreme then it becomestI elitist.  Sometimes the "correction" responses come across as "this is my I sandbox and if you're going to play here then you must play by my rules."rL Mabye those of you who have enough knowledge to help this gentleman can sendH him the help he needs along with advice on how to post in proper format. <Off soapbox.>  $ Ed Stuart                           ( Manager, Systems and Desktop Services	   Information Technology ServicesX City of Austin, Austin Energy  Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com  + "Glittering prizes and endless compromises t. shatter the illusion of integrity" - Neil Pert  B *Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here*       -----Original Message-----. From: John E. Malmberg [mailto:wb8tyw@qsl.net]$ Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 10:50 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: Re: urgento     David J. Dachtera wrote:   > 1. Turn of MIME.  
 Please do. > D >    If using MS Outlook, this may not be entirely possible. Using a@ >    different mail/news agent is highly recommanded, preferably >    _NOT_ a Microsoft product.t  D It is possible and practical to change Outlook to behave on either aD default, or specific mailing address.  The steps have been posted on comp.os.vms very recently.  E >    Also, as illustrated recently world-wide, Outlook is, beyond the F >    the shadow of any possible doubt, a serious security hole. PleaseD >    locate and implement a replacement mail/news agent immediately.  J Just because it assumes that ALL HTML content is safe, and you always wantG it executed when you open or preview an attachment?  By the way, in thesJ recent proposed patches from Microsoft, that particular feature is not one of the ones they are changing.  J > 2. This is a text-only newsgroup; no attachments, especially not MS WordG > documents, can be accepted. MS Word is also a potential security risk J > due to its vulnerability to macro viruses and other potentially damaging > embedded payloads.  G Non-Microsoft Office products may have the same vulnerabilities.  It isoH basically a case where their does not seem to be a distinction between a6 COMPOSE-EXECUTE-EDIT mode and a VIEW-OUTPUT-ONLY mode.  H I strongly recommend that a business have a policy of never sending HTMLJ messages, and enforce it at a server filter to catch employees that do not> understand why.  Some "cute" problems can be avoided that way.   -Johna wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2000 09:28:59 GMT' From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi>s8 Subject: Re: VAX VMS 7.2 Bug?  ;  backup/image/(no)alias, Message-ID: <8glg4r$3fk$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>  ( Neil Rieck <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote: ...iL > trying to do a hot disk-to-disk backup of my OpenVMS 7.2 system disk and I# > keep getting incomplete copies...i8 > ... many files (including "writeboot.exe") are missing  J Looks like the problem that was discussed here some months ago. Problem isF that under some circumstances backup drops file headers of alias-namedB files. Disappeared files were under directory vms$common.dir aliasB [sys0]syscommon.dir. Backup actually loads those files on disk andD they could be used if vms$common.dir is reconstructed. But of course Backup should serve better.rF Below comes old text where I answer some questions about this problem:  I -------------------------------------------------------------------------bI > Could you clarify a bit. Is it the BACKUP in V6.1 or V7.1 or V7.2 which, > caused the troubles ?   G I'm a'fraid all of those versions are not okay. Modifications to alias- F handling started at V6.something. That didn't cause any problems to meD before this upgrade to 7.2... I don't remember what backup I used toH copy 6.1 systemdisk to another disk that was then upgraded to 7.1. If itE was 6.1 backup it might have done bootable copy but maybe caused file<H disk:[sys0]syscommon.dir alias disk:[000000]vms$common.dir to have wrongH filename in header. It seems to be so now. It's syscommon.dir and should/ be vms$common.dir that is primary name I think.M   > ...I look into theJ >V7-2 Release Notes/New Features/Installation Guide. Not seen any warning.  E It was mentioned in V7.1 Release Notes Page 4-3  and VMS 7.2 Help has 8 warning of /alias with /image  and recommends /noalias .  F Above all was about alias-problem.  Another problem was that backup ofI version 7.1 caused system crashes. There are plenty of ECOs which correctt- that, but I hadn't bothered to install those.o  I >So what is the proper way of using BACKUP/image in a cluster system diskt >now ?  J I guess it's backup/image/noalias (it's recommended) but i'll never use itI without testing before in noncritical system.  And if I use it now beforeaF repairing primary name in double-named fileheader, it gets again wrong: primary name ... (What that may then cause, I don't know).  I There was thread about this last may but I haven't seen any comment since P then:http://x45.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/viewthread.xp?AN=480448676&search=thread&svcP class=dnserver&ST=PS&CONTEXT=947658122.1843396631&HIT_CONTEXT=947658122.18433966P 31&HIT_NUM=1&recnum=%3c7i38eq$fqv$1@nnrp1.deja.com%3e%231/1&group=comp.os.vms&fr page=getdoc.xp&back=clarinet  " woops! could that url work for you    | Feedbackf                        >> ForumnD                      >>Thread: OVMS BACKUP V7.2 - drops file headers"                         >> Message    "                   Save this threadJ                                                         Post to this forum                    Message3                                              Author ?                                                            Date.                     Msg 1,;                                              Andy Goldstein B                                                            5/17/99                       Msg 2-9                                              Hoff HoffmaneB                                                            5/18/99                         Msg 337                                              Uwe ZessinmB                                                            5/21/99                       Msg 4n;                                              Paul RepacholiiB                                                            5/19/99                     Msg 5B;                                              Andy GoldsteinmB                                                            5/18/99                       ; Msg 6 + 7                                              Uwe Zessin B                                                            5/21/99                         Msg 7i;                                              Andy GoldsteinpB                                                            5/21/99                           Msg 8 7                                              Uwe ZessinoB                                                            5/21/99!                             Msg 9o7                                              Bob KaplowwB                                                            5/25/99$                               Msg 10<                                              Larry KilgallenB                                                            5/25/99       > ...V7.2-1 CD faultE >is your confirmed experience. But other "seemed" to have problems ofr similarc  >nature on the earlier versions.  D  Uwe Zessin complained about version 7.2 (probably is very much like 7.2-1)H and mentioned testing with V7.1-1H2 CD too. Might be that 7.1-1something isB where the problem started to drop file headers. It's possible that startingG from version 6.1 backup has changed file header of double-named file sovJ that it contains alias name rather than primary name. That doesn't seem toI cause anything to working system, but might be problem when taking image-b8 backups of the system (or when restoring those backups).  I In my case save was done by 7.2-1 backup (default /(no)alias) and restore G succeeded by 7.1 backup (default /(no)alias). As result there was errornI that file header contained alias name , but that may have been so before.p  8 I'll leave furhter analysis to Compaq (Andy Goldstein?).  + > Now , with regard to the "/image/Noalias" 6 > option, is it a bug ? a new features ? or whatelse ?  C Backup/image save and restore without specifying /alias or /noaliasyA should leave the directory structure be the same as before. (Andy0E Goldstain has agreed.) Now it doesn't. To me it's a bug. (/noalias is 
 new feature.)D  2 > How about V7.2-1 itself ? Will the BACKUP work ?  C I've tought that VMS booted from delivery CD IS the real thing onlysJ partially initialized. So I'm sure 7.2-1 backup is same as 7.2-1 CD backup' and has same problems (haven't tested).a  ) -----------------------------------------n  % > use /image/noalias just to be sure.o  F Even then I would not be sure. If I've understood right /noalias means thatJ files are saved only as primary named files. Which name is primary is read/ from file header. You can see that for example:s  5 $ dump/header disk:[sys0]syscommon.dir /block=count=0.   ... 0     File name:                  VMS$COMMON.DIR;1 ...c  E If there's wrong name, then what? I don't know.                   /OK5  G ------------------------------------------------------------------------    regardsr         Osmo Kujala2   ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2000 10:16:55 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)8 Subject: Re: VAX VMS 7.2 Bug?  ;  backup/image/(no)alias. Message-ID: <8gliun$9e7$1@info.service.rug.nl>  8 In article <8glg4r$3fk$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>, Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi> writes:   ) >Neil Rieck <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote:e >.... M >> trying to do a hot disk-to-disk backup of my OpenVMS 7.2 system disk and I $ >> keep getting incomplete copies...9 >> ... many files (including "writeboot.exe") are missingn >aK >Looks like the problem that was discussed here some months ago. Problem iseG >that under some circumstances backup drops file headers of alias-named  >files.   D Assume a non-directory file with an alias.  BACKUP could ignore the E alias, treat it as a normal file, or "preserve" the alias.  Assume a iG directory with an alias.  BACKUP could ignore the alias, treat it as a eG normal directory (and duplicate the contents), or "preserve" the alias.    6 cases.  H We can have /ALIAS or /NOALIAS, and we can have /IMAGE or /NOIMAGE, and 7 we can be doing the BACKUP itself or doing the restore.O   8 cases.  ) The documentation is VERY confusing here.a  E Who can say which of the 6 cases corresponds to which of the 8 cases?t  G Note that sometimes, "preserving" the alias would be nice, even with a iG non-image backup.  For instance, you are making a copy of a user disk, MF but want to exclude certain users.  You can't delete the stuff later, B because the target disk is too small.  However, you don't want to F rebuild the alias stuff by hand for the other users, especially since 2 there is no easy way to get a list of all aliases.  H It would be nice if BACKUP could be straightened out here, once and for  all.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:58:36 GMTd) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>t8 Subject: Re: VAX VMS 7.2 Bug?  ;  backup/image/(no)alias< Message-ID: <wNsX4.169938$so1.1829983@news20.bellglobal.com>  J ref: http://www.openvms.digital.com:8000/72final/6017/6017pro_047.html TheL following quote was taken from "OpenVMS System Manager's Manual" for version 7.2:  J "As described in Section 10.2, an image backup of a disk provides you with3 an exact logical copy of all the files on the disk"n  I It's too bad that all the BACKUP switch permutations seem to be unable tor  provide "an exact logical copy".  
 Neil Rieck* Kitchener(New Berlin?)/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/'   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:53:44 GMTr3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>$ Subject: Re: VMS marketing/ Message-ID: <392E9FB0.23BBBFE7@cableinet.co.uk>e   Hoff Hoffman wrote:h   E >   Nope.  PC image.  Not compatible with OpenVMS.  (Not that I would-D >   personally ever want to invoke any executable image received viaA >   an unsolicited email message -- on any PC or OpenVMS system.)q  f? Hoff, I'm playing the devils advocate here (:-)), but surely on$A VMS you could invoke the image from a totally locked down account3D (heck, it might not even need tmpmbx) with no access to any valuableC data, no mail or net access etc, and be confident that it could not  damage TD the system or network in any way except by deleting the process that was executing it?      --  A Home: Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk Work: Tim.Llewellyn@bbc.co.uke  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of  ! my employers or service provider.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:55:44 GMTh From: lori5015@my-deja.com Subject: VMS what's VMS ) Message-ID: <8gm399$8dm$1@nnrp1.deja.com>3   Again....No mention of VMS!!  B http://www.zdnet.com/eweek/stories/general/0,11011,2577181,00.html    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:06:09 GMT8 From: d.webb@mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: VMS what's VMSv) Message-ID: <8gm7d5$bm1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  ) In article <8gm399$8dm$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,e   lori5015@my-deja.com wrote:L > Again....No mention of VMS!! > D > http://www.zdnet.com/eweek/stories/general/0,11011,2577181,00.html >i( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.  >L  F How accurate are other parts of the report ? I thought Intel still had5 to manufacture Alpha chips for a few more years yet ?H  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:50:25 +0000n- From: ezzaoudi med <m.ezzaoudi@digitem.co.ma>o Subject: Re: VMS what's VMSf- Message-ID: <392EAB51.977DC4D3@digitem.co.ma>c   Wath is the probleme ?  lori5015@my-deja.com a =E9crit :   > Again....No mention of VMS!! >lD > http://www.zdnet.com/eweek/stories/general/0,11011,2577181,00.html >t( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:16:38 -0400c' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>e Subject: Re: VMS what's VMSe( Message-ID: <8gmbcn$spv$1@pyrite.mv.net>  K <lori5015@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8gm399$8dm$1@nnrp1.deja.com...e > Again....No mention of VMS!!  I What's the problem (as another poster has asked)?  Tru64 wasn't mentioneduK either, and the only reason Linux was mentioned was via API's intentions in/8 that area.  Otherwise, this was purely a hardware story.   - bill   >oD > http://www.zdnet.com/eweek/stories/general/0,11011,2577181,00.html >C >o( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 11:29:22 -0600w% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>a Subject: Re: VMS what's VMS/B Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20000526112843.00ade9c0@pop.clsp.uswest.net>  & At 11:16 AM 5/26/00 , Bill Todd wrote:  L ><lori5015@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8gm399$8dm$1@nnrp1.deja.com...  > > Again....No mention of VMS!! >eJ >What's the problem (as another poster has asked)?  Tru64 wasn't mentionedL >either, and the only reason Linux was mentioned was via API's intentions in9 >that area.  Otherwise, this was purely a hardware story.a  O Maybe not by name, but the point is, the system was described as a UNIX server.  Patently a half-truth.     ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+oI | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |-I | Principal Engineer            |  "Time flies like an arrow.  Fruit    |@I | Process Software Corporation  |   flies like a banana."               |0I | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    | I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:44:26 -0400n' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>o Subject: Re: VMS what's VMS ( Message-ID: <8gmd0s$6cv$1@pyrite.mv.net>  0 Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> wrote in message< news:4.2.0.58.20000526112843.00ade9c0@pop.clsp.uswest.net...( > At 11:16 AM 5/26/00 , Bill Todd wrote: >e* > ><lori5015@my-deja.com> wrote in message# news:8gm399$8dm$1@nnrp1.deja.com...t" > > > Again....No mention of VMS!! > >SL > >What's the problem (as another poster has asked)?  Tru64 wasn't mentionedK > >either, and the only reason Linux was mentioned was via API's intentionst in; > >that area.  Otherwise, this was purely a hardware story.t > I > Maybe not by name, but the point is, the system was described as a UNIXf server.u > Patently a half-truth.  L Got to confess that I missed that (sole) reference to Unix - though it was aL Wildfire-specific comment rather than any central theme of the article.  NotK that I blame the author, since until the past few weeks (at best) one would K have been hard-pressed to find *anyone* outside the VMS community who wouldd9 automatically have thought of VMS when discussing Alphas.   L If Compaq actually does turn around its own Alpha Unix emphasis to somethingK more equitable, then the press will follow in time.  Meanwhile, don't blamevK them for the lingering perceptions that Compaq to all appearances strove toe create up until now.   - bill   >h >  > ------K > +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ K > | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |eK > | Principal Engineer            |  "Time flies like an arrow.  Fruit    |eK > | Process Software Corporation  |   flies like a banana."               |mK > | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |.K > +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+d >  >u   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:34:40 +0000 (   )v3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>a Subject: Re: VMS what's VMS I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10005261633480.5262-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>   ( On Fri, 26 May 2000, Dan O'Reilly wrote:  Q > Maybe not by name, but the point is, the system was described as a UNIX server.  > Patently a half-truth.  . Only half truth if you know VMS isn't unix. :)   Regards,   Chris   O ===============================================================================p@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W ProgrammerT Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL..% ------------------------------------- I "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and H weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 tO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:28:56 +0100e- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>s/ Subject: Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"f) Message-ID: <392D1C88.93489E6D@bbc.co.uk>i   Phillip Helbig wrote:B  8 > In article <392C1C1C.729CD680@mci.com>, Lonnie Carreau" > <Lonnie.Carreau@mci.com> writes: >.P > >If only me and my wife could share VMS as a couple :-).  Looks like you found > >yourself a gem. >iE > Despite my love for VMS, I DO have other standards when it comes to-: > wives.  :-)  Well, maybe not---24x365 sounds fine by me!  6 When do you get to play with your VAXen then, Phillip?   >'A > By the way, I'm in the process of getting divorced.  Anyone whosJ > introduces me to the right woman wins a VAX!  How's THAT for motivation.   What, not an alpha?7   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uka  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofr MedAS or the BBC.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:30:12 +0100s- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> / Subject: Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"r( Message-ID: <392D1CD3.3222A97@bbc.co.uk>   "Robert J. Slover" wrote:1  9 > I have 13 running Vaxen in my cluster, 3 spare, and twol< > Alpha VMS machines in the Academic cluster, with one spare8 > Alpha VMS workstation.  So 15 running VMS systems, and   >   I If this thread goes on long enough, do ya think we'll eventually hit 450k  systems?    -- 6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uke  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.a   ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2000 06:51:25 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)/ Subject: Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"t. Message-ID: <8gl6td$5rd$2@info.service.rug.nl>  7 In article <392D1C88.93489E6D@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyns" <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:   F >> Despite my love for VMS, I DO have other standards when it comes to; >> wives.  :-)  Well, maybe not---24x365 sounds fine by me!o >m7 >When do you get to play with your VAXen then, Phillip?r  ( No need---they stay up maintenance-free!  B >> By the way, I'm in the process of getting divorced.  Anyone whoK >> introduces me to the right woman wins a VAX!  How's THAT for motivation.  >a >What, not an alpha?   If she's REALLY good!    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:57:47 GMT  From: d.webb@mdx.ac.uk/ Subject: Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus" ) Message-ID: <8gllb6$u49$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   
 In article? <Pine.LNX.4.05.10005241508190.15858-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>,o6   Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> wrote:, > On Tue, 23 May 2000, David A Froble wrote: >-H > > Darn, I only got 13 VMS systems.  Now I feel left out.  Wait, I have	 6 more at D > > another site!  How's 19 sound? Anybody else got a better number? >3@ > No, but add mine to the whole count.  I've got four VAXen.  MyB > significant-other has one -- given to her as a present actually. Those  > are fine.n > F > I know of one at a university (yes, really), and have a friend who's got 8 > at least four going -- well, three vaxen and an alpha. > 
 > Regards, >  > Chris   C Well this University has 8 VMS Alpha server systems + about a dozen  alpha and vax workstations.     G Only two of these (2100 servers in a cluster) are used by the students.   
 David Webb VMS and unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   >  > H ======================================================================== =======  > "My two cents"/ (http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562) 4 > Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W
 Programmer! > Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL. ' > ------------------------------------- G > "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes  and D > weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes < > and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 > H ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------n >  >     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 08:45:40 -0300d1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>r/ Subject: RE: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"rK Message-ID: <F150836441C5D311A11700508B6FF01A983490@bdant024.bda.bobda.com>-  A 20 VMS systems currently running & seven not presently being usede - Darren   > ----------0 > From: 	d.webb@mdx.ac.uk[SMTP:d.webb@mdx.ac.uk]% > Sent: 	Friday, May 26, 2000 7:57 AMe > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com2 > Subject: 	Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus" >  > In articleA > <Pine.LNX.4.05.10005241508190.15858-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>,k8 >   Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> wrote:. > > On Tue, 23 May 2000, David A Froble wrote: > >aJ > > > Darn, I only got 13 VMS systems.  Now I feel left out.  Wait, I have > 6 more atoF > > > another site!  How's 19 sound? Anybody else got a better number? > >pB > > No, but add mine to the whole count.  I've got four VAXen.  MyD > > significant-other has one -- given to her as a present actually. > Thoses
 > > are fine.? > >aH > > I know of one at a university (yes, really), and have a friend who's > gott: > > at least four going -- well, three vaxen and an alpha. > >a > > Regards, > >o	 > > Chrise > E > Well this University has 8 VMS Alpha server systems + about a dozeni > alpha and vax workstations.u >  > I > Only two of these (2100 servers in a cluster) are used by the students.. >  > David Webb > VMS and unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >  > >s > >aJ > ========================================================================	 > =======o > > "My two cents"1 > (http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)a6 > > Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W > Programmer# > > Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL. ) > > ------------------------------------- I > > "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes  > andMF > > weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum > tubes > > > and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 > >-J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------	 > -------- > >a > >6 >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.u >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and,J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they L are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingc of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudaeF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:08:19 +0100s# From: nic <no-spam@no.spam.allowed>A/ Subject: Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"m/ Message-ID: <392E7743.39583520@no.spam.allowed>e   Lonnie Carreau wrote:a > O > If only me and my wife could share VMS as a couple :-).  Looks like you foundc > yourself a gem.K >     @ Well my missus is not enamered (sp?) with my VMS systems, but myG one year old daughter Molly, with toys that beep, flash, wiggle, wobble = and talk prefers a keyboard attached to a VMS system any day!   G (And before you ask, yes there is a PC next to it, but it's the VMS boxn every time. That's ma girl!)     --   Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences 1 email : n c l e w s   a t   c s c   d o t   c o ms   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.293 ************************ers, especially since 2 there is no easy way to get a list of all aliases.  H It would be nice if BACKUP could be straightened out here, once and for  all.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:58:36 GMTd) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>t8 Subject: Re: VAX VMS 7.2 Bug?  ;  backup/image/(no)alias< Message-ID: uJM`ҿ 	 FQycob	r`'ҰzCԤB o=5Q Ҷ&ٴ-bBP 5k[y#dyOd_~Id}SC}m۷#r:i^ߴc[1d:_'
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