1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 27 May 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 294       Contents: Re: Capellas supports Microsoft  Re: Capellas supports Microsoft  Re: Capellas supports Microsoft  Re: Capellas supports Microsoft  Re: Capellas supports Microsoft  RE: Capellas supports Microsoft  RE: Capellas supports Microsoft  Re: Capellas supports Microsoft  Re: Capellas supports Microsoft  RE: Capellas supports Microsoft  Re: Comments on ABS v3.0 Re: Comments on ABS v3.0, Re: Compaq not as bad as Andrew says (wish?) ES40 Configuration Re: Faxing from OpenVMS  Re: Faxing from OpenVMS  Re: Install options? Jabber on OpenVMS? Re: Jabber on OpenVMS?! RE: Looking for sudo like utility  Re: Motif - Version? none urgent cobol exit question # Re: none urgent cobol exit question & OpenVMS vs Tru64 Pathworks performance* Re: OpenVMS vs Tru64 Pathworks performance* Re: OpenVMS vs Tru64 Pathworks performance Pathwork and shared ressource ! Re: Pathwork and shared ressource  Re: print problem Please help & Re: Prob w/DCPS 1.7,HP4050, and HPGL/2 RMS tuning versus file caching" Re: RMS tuning versus file caching' Serial cable for AlphaStation 200 4/166 + RE: Serial cable for AlphaStation 200 4/166 + Re: Serial cable for AlphaStation 200 4/166 + Re: Serial cable for AlphaStation 200 4/166  Re: Shareware: txt2pdf PRO Re: TCPware window size  TSZ07 parameters? 
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 RE: urgent Re: VMS marketing  Re: VMS marketing  Re: VMS what's VMS$ Re: Which is the language of VAX/VMS$ Re: Which is the language of VAX/VMS& Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:34:04 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>( Subject: Re: Capellas supports Microsoft- Message-ID: <392EB58C.3199DAE5@tsoft-inc.com>    "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > > > "Nigel Arnot" <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> wrote in message2 > news:009EAA90.89375317.9@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk... > > > M > > > I suspect he should have stayed silent, simply because his views easily L > > > give the impression that Compaq is staunchly in Microsoft's camp, even  > > > though he didn't say that. > > K > > Indeed. I wonder who applied the "spin", and who paid the spinmeisters?  > > > L > > > However, I understand the sentiments. Yes, Microsoft was found to haveL > > > engaged in unfair and improper business practices. I also have troubleL > > > feeling much sympathy for Microsoft. But at the same time I get queasyE > > > over having the courts decide which software features should or K > > > shouldn't be bundled together, or which types of software are allowed D > > > under one vendor's roof. It feels like a bad precedent to set. > > >  > > K > > I have to publicly disagree. Capitalism works in everyone's favour only I > > when monopolistic abuses are prevented and FAIR competition rules the 
 > > roost. > > L > > Microsoft was caught breaking the rules once before. It got its knuckles4 > > rapped and promised to mend its ways. It didn't. > > L > > So it's back in court. It had the opportunity to defend itself, and onceL > > the court found against it also had the opportunity to propose remedies.N > > IMO its suggestions to date on the latter front amount to "rap my knucklesC > > again and I really, really promise to be a good boy in future".  > > N > > I for one don't believe promises from repeat offenders who lied last time.& > > Neither, it seems, does the judge. > H > Well, a significant number of Americans feel otherwise. They voted forM > Clinton twice. And some would vote for him again if the Constitution didn't  > proscribe same.   J Once again we've drifted into the slippery issue of the existance of human
 intellegence.    Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:38:04 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>( Subject: Re: Capellas supports Microsoft- Message-ID: <392EB67C.C852923C@tsoft-inc.com>    "Ebinger . Eric" wrote:  >  > > -----Original Message-----9 > > From: Terry C. Shannon [mailto:shannon@world.std.com] J > > Well, a significant number of Americans feel otherwise. They voted for; > > Clinton twice. And some would vote for him again if the  > > Constitution didn't  > > proscribe same.  > >  > A > Actually, it's an AMENDMENT to the constitution that limits the 9 > an individuals time as president to (roughly) 10 years.  >  > Eric Ebinger > Dynamics Research Corporation   M More specifically, 2 consecutive terms.  However, I believe that after a term O out of office, an ex president can then return for another two terms, should he N be so stupid.  It appears that after several years of reflection, no-ones beenN crazy enough to want to subject themselves to the experience again.  There wasO Nixon, running and winning in 68, after being Ike's VP and losing to JFK in 60, ; but history has been rather harsh on his thought processes.    Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 20:25:15 GMT * From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)( Subject: Re: Capellas supports Microsoft+ Message-ID: <pKmrKv1shqd0@eisner.decus.org>   R In article <8gmcfo$13m$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes: > ; > Terry C. Shannon <shannon@world.std.com> wrote in message " > news:Fv608G.9zo@world.std.com... >>? >> "Nigel Arnot" <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> wrote in message 3 >> news:009EAA90.89375317.9@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk...  >  > ...  > I >> > I for one don't believe promises from repeat offenders who lied last  > time. ' >> > Neither, it seems, does the judge.  >>I >> Well, a significant number of Americans feel otherwise. They voted for G >> Clinton twice. And some would vote for him again if the Constitution  > didn't >> proscribe same. > N > Yup - I sure would:  I suspect the country's considerably better off than itN > would have been under any likely alternative.  And while his personal moralsM > are to say the least questionable, how much worse they are than the average L > politician's (of either major party) is also questionable - and as for hisM > political ethics, they bear a striking resemblance to those currently being K > displayed by good ol' boy George W., so one should tread lightly there...  > K > But one should not include me in the number of Americans who believe that L > Microsoft should be left alone, and I'm not sure why you seem to think theM > two positions have any connection:  my guess would be that the intersection > > of the two sets is considerably smaller than either of them. >   9 	Yeah, we live in a results driven soceity.  If you can't ? 	deliver, you will be replaced.  Makes perfect sense.  And yet, C 	being driven by results pushes people in directions they shouldn't G 	be headed and at times they brush up against the law.  If there wasn't A 	a considerable volume of email to support the government's case, A 	The Borg would walk.  Unfortunately, a very telling paper trail.   < 	Delving into the whole "question of morals."  Yeah, that's : 	painful too.  I have three small kids, the two older ones> 	are old enough to talk and are learning about responsibility.= 	Just two days ago, we witnessed the 3-year old neighbor boy  > 	swinging at his mother and her pitiful dodging of his swings.@ 	At dinner a short while later I took the time to remind my kids@ 	that what they saw was wrong and why they couldn't tell the boy: 	what he is doing is wrong, explaining it is his parent's 6 	responsibiity to correct or (in this case) ignore his; 	behaviour.  Very difficult to raise kids and leave out the > 	concept of right and wrong.  I'm willing to bet the neighborsD 	don't even brush up against such words in "rearin' their youngin'."A 	Following up with mine, I asked our 4-year old what would happen B 	to her if she tried to hit mommy.  She took her hand and motionedC 	to her bottom.  You bet.  What a heathen, ain't I?   Mis-behaviour  	*should* have consequences.  = 	The question that many people would have an opinion on is:   E 	"Is what Clinton did (regarding his behaviour) right or wrong?"  We  E 	wouldn't agree, but it is a question that my kids could answer  :-).   A 	Do I always do right?  No.  I am willing to admit it.  Sometimes  	the consequences are painful.  ? 	Oh, the sets do intersect... quite a bit actually.  Problem is > 	in Microsoft's case a judge has to determine whether they did= 	wrong and penalize accordingly.  In Clinton's case, a clever = 	parsing of language allows us to hand-wave and forgive.  His = 	other indiscretions?  "Oh, this is the nineties."  Yeah, hey A 	guys .. try to run that one past your wife.  Not even an smidgen B 	of humor in response from your wife.  In my neighbor kid's case, F 	"Oh he is just a boy and he will grow out of it."  Yeah right... and 0 	he'll probably be kicking her in a year or two.   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:07:06 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ( Subject: Re: Capellas supports Microsoft, Message-ID: <392ECB5A.50A6B70F@videotron.ca>  W One thing I find interesting about Capellas not supporting the breakup of the monopoly.   H Before Microsoft, the Internet was a structured anarchy where every goodM internet citizen/company strived to support as many RFCs as possible. Because L there was no big bully and because RFCs were  built with cooperation between/ different parties, open standards were created.   G But comes Microsoft with its weight and monopoly. It does as it wants , N disregards the RFCs it wants to disregards and tries to singlehandledly changeN the way the internet works without going through the RFC process. As a result,E Microsoft is "breaking" the internet by not following standards. (for I instance, its exploder relying on the file extention specified in the URL J instead of the Mime typer specified by the server to determine the type of content it has to display).   L Considering that Compaq is not only a Microsoft reseller and that it has itsJ own operating systems and layered products, it is in Compaq's advantage toJ ensure that nobody can singlehandledly break the internet, making Compaq's software irrelevant.  J For instance, because of Microsoft, one cannot have a "cgi.com" in an httpC request because even though the server specifies the response to be N "text/html", Microsoft assumes that because the URL contains ".com", it *must* be a windows executable.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:27:23 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> ( Subject: Re: Capellas supports Microsoft( Message-ID: <8gmmie$soa$1@pyrite.mv.net>  K Well, to continue taking liberties with topicality (since it's the start of  a long weekend...):   5 Rob Young <young_r@eisner.decus.org> wrote in message % news:pKmrKv1shqd0@eisner.decus.org...    ...   < > The question that many people would have an opinion on is:E > "Is what Clinton did (regarding his behaviour) right or wrong?"  We F > wouldn't agree, but it is a question that my kids could answer  :-).  K I'm not sure why you think we wouldn't agree - at least I believe Clinton's K behavior was wrong and suspect that you (along with most of the rest of the  country) do as well.  K So what?  Deliberate jay-walking is against the law (and equally subject to L many of the arguments impeachment advocates advanced), and even 'white lies'K are 'wrong' in any strict interpretation of the term.  The real question is J whether the man is an effective President (and does not abuse the power of the office).   > B > Do I always do right?  No.  I am willing to admit it.  Sometimes > the consequences are painful.  > @ > Oh, the sets do intersect... quite a bit actually.  Problem is? > in Microsoft's case a judge has to determine whether they did > > wrong and penalize accordingly.  In Clinton's case, a clever9 > parsing of language allows us to hand-wave and forgive.   D Forgiveness is not the point.  Relevance to his office is the point.L There's no clever parsing involved:  the intent of the Constitution is clearI to anyone without an axe to grind, and those who did have an axe to grind J trampled upon said Constitution without a second thought, something I find5 considerably more alarming than anything Clinton did.      His > > other indiscretions?  "Oh, this is the nineties."  Yeah, hey- > guys .. try to run that one past your wife.   I I'd consider it a bit presumptuous to pass judgement on behalf of Hillary H for something she is clearly willing to live with (and suspect she wouldI consider it presumptuous as well).  Though I don't believe this makes his J behavior just hunky-dorey (I make my own judgements, just not on behalf of others).  L And as for the issue of having our kids exposed to the seamier side of humanF behavior for a year or so, blame those who insisted in stirring up and# perpetuating a tempest in a teapot.    - bill     Not even an smidgen B > of humor in response from your wife.  In my neighbor kid's case,F > "Oh he is just a boy and he will grow out of it."  Yeah right... and1 > he'll probably be kicking her in a year or two.  >  > Rob  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:58:58 -0600 2 From: Monday Bill <Bill.Monday@UPI.UHCOLORADO.EDU>( Subject: RE: Capellas supports MicrosoftJ Message-ID: <5D2691D2D460D3118C0B009027719614046DCE@upiex1.uhcolorado.edu>  K Please!  The majority of us did not subscribe to this list for this type of H a discussion.  Could we *try* to stay on topic so that this list remains& helpful and people don't go elsewhere?   Bill Monday    -----Original Message-----, From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@foo.mv.com]" Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 2:27 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ( Subject: Re: Capellas supports Microsoft    K Well, to continue taking liberties with topicality (since it's the start of  a long weekend...):   5 Rob Young <young_r@eisner.decus.org> wrote in message % news:pKmrKv1shqd0@eisner.decus.org...    ...   < > The question that many people would have an opinion on is:E > "Is what Clinton did (regarding his behaviour) right or wrong?"  We F > wouldn't agree, but it is a question that my kids could answer  :-).  K I'm not sure why you think we wouldn't agree - at least I believe Clinton's K behavior was wrong and suspect that you (along with most of the rest of the  country) do as well.  K So what?  Deliberate jay-walking is against the law (and equally subject to L many of the arguments impeachment advocates advanced), and even 'white lies'K are 'wrong' in any strict interpretation of the term.  The real question is J whether the man is an effective President (and does not abuse the power of the office).   > B > Do I always do right?  No.  I am willing to admit it.  Sometimes > the consequences are painful.  > @ > Oh, the sets do intersect... quite a bit actually.  Problem is? > in Microsoft's case a judge has to determine whether they did > > wrong and penalize accordingly.  In Clinton's case, a clever9 > parsing of language allows us to hand-wave and forgive.   D Forgiveness is not the point.  Relevance to his office is the point.L There's no clever parsing involved:  the intent of the Constitution is clearI to anyone without an axe to grind, and those who did have an axe to grind J trampled upon said Constitution without a second thought, something I find5 considerably more alarming than anything Clinton did.      His > > other indiscretions?  "Oh, this is the nineties."  Yeah, hey- > guys .. try to run that one past your wife.   I I'd consider it a bit presumptuous to pass judgement on behalf of Hillary H for something she is clearly willing to live with (and suspect she wouldI consider it presumptuous as well).  Though I don't believe this makes his J behavior just hunky-dorey (I make my own judgements, just not on behalf of others).  L And as for the issue of having our kids exposed to the seamier side of humanF behavior for a year or so, blame those who insisted in stirring up and# perpetuating a tempest in a teapot.r   - bill     Not even an smidgensB > of humor in response from your wife.  In my neighbor kid's case,F > "Oh he is just a boy and he will grow out of it."  Yeah right... and1 > he'll probably be kicking her in a year or two.p >t > Robs >    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:20:52 +0000 (GMT) , From: Bill McLaughlin <mcbill20@hotmail.com>( Subject: RE: Capellas supports Microsoft4 Message-ID: <20000526212052.40542.qmail@hotmail.com>   >-----Original Message-----bI >From: Bill Todd [mailto:billtodd@foo.mv.com] Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 o >2:27 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com) >Subject: Re: Capellas supports MicrosoftT >4 >tK >Well, to continue taking liberties with topicality (since it's the >start s >of4 >a long weekend...): >a6 >Rob Young <young_r@eisner.decus.org> wrote in message& >news:pKmrKv1shqd0@eisner.decus.org... >e >... >D< >>The question that many people would have an opinion on is:E >>"Is what Clinton did (regarding his behaviour) right or wrong?"  We6H >>wouldn't agree, but it is a question that my kids could answer  >>:-). >tC >I'm not sure why you think we wouldn't agree - at least I believe h > >Clinton'sJ >behavior was wrong and suspect that you (along with most of the rest >of  >the >country) do as well.n > K >So what?  Deliberate jay-walking is against the law (and equally >subject   >tohI >many of the arguments impeachment advocates advanced), and even >'white - >lies'K >are 'wrong' in any strict interpretation of the term.  The real >question   >is0L >whether the man is an effective President (and does not abuse the >power of
 >the office).s >c >>B >>Do I always do right?  No.  I am willing to admit it.  Sometimes >>the consequences are painful.  >>@ >>Oh, the sets do intersect... quite a bit actually.  Problem is? >>in Microsoft's case a judge has to determine whether they dida> >>wrong and penalize accordingly.  In Clinton's case, a clever9 >>parsing of language allows us to hand-wave and forgive.  >nE >Forgiveness is not the point.  Relevance to his office is the point.iI >There's no clever parsing involved:  the intent of the Constitution >is d >clearK >to anyone without an axe to grind, and those who did have an axe to >grind L >trampled upon said Constitution without a second thought, something I >find6 >considerably more alarming than anything Clinton did. >r >>  Hish> >>other indiscretions?  "Oh, this is the nineties."  Yeah, hey- >>guys .. try to run that one past your wife.w > K >I'd consider it a bit presumptuous to pass judgement on behalf of >Hillary J >for something she is clearly willing to live with (and suspect she >wouldK >consider it presumptuous as well).  Though I don't believe this makes >hispL >behavior just hunky-dorey (I make my own judgements, just not on >behalf of	 >others).f >.I >And as for the issue of having our kids exposed to the seamier side >of   >humanH >behavior for a year or so, blame those who insisted in stirring up >and$ >perpetuating a tempest in a teapot. >  >- billt   >>  Not even an smidgen B >>of humor in response from your wife.  In my neighbor kid's case,H >>"Oh he is just a boy and he will grow out of it."  Yeah right... >>and1 >>he'll probably be kicking her in a year or two.f >> >>Robo >>   Hey, guys...  M I don't presume to speak for the entire group...but I would assume that many r feel as I do--  G There is enough politics everywhere else. I for one enjoy my job and I aL consider it a big plus to be able to take a break from society/politics and * bury my head in technology (office Dilbert issues aside).   This newsgroup is COMP.OS.VMS:   COMP    : COMPUTER OS      : OPERATING SYSTEM4 VMS     : THE BEST GENERAL PURPOSE OPERATING SYSTEM*  H   * - Sorry, I just had to add that last 'political' view; but AT        LEAST it's COMPUTER related.  6 So, can't we take the political discussions elsewhere?   Just my .02<   Thanks.- Bill McLaughlin:H ________________________________________________________________________H Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 22:46:53 -0400f* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>( Subject: Re: Capellas supports Microsoft- Message-ID: <392F371D.564606EB@tsoft-inc.com>i   Bill Todd wrote: > M > Well, to continue taking liberties with topicality (since it's the start oft > a long weekend...):s   Yep, really off topic.  7 > Rob Young <young_r@eisner.decus.org> wrote in messageo' > news:pKmrKv1shqd0@eisner.decus.org...u >  > ...  > > > > The question that many people would have an opinion on is:G > > "Is what Clinton did (regarding his behaviour) right or wrong?"  WepH > > wouldn't agree, but it is a question that my kids could answer  :-). > M > I'm not sure why you think we wouldn't agree - at least I believe Clinton'sdM > behavior was wrong and suspect that you (along with most of the rest of the  > country) do as well.  N Actually, his private (if a President has such) behavior is his own business. F Clinton being prone to mistakes, made a hugh one in even answering theP question(s).  Least you think me a slick willie supporter, I was strongly aginst him in both elections.  M > So what?  Deliberate jay-walking is against the law (and equally subject to N > many of the arguments impeachment advocates advanced), and even 'white lies'M > are 'wrong' in any strict interpretation of the term.  The real question isdL > whether the man is an effective President (and does not abuse the power of > the office). >  > >zD > > Do I always do right?  No.  I am willing to admit it.  Sometimes! > > the consequences are painful.0 > >5B > > Oh, the sets do intersect... quite a bit actually.  Problem isA > > in Microsoft's case a judge has to determine whether they did>@ > > wrong and penalize accordingly.  In Clinton's case, a clever; > > parsing of language allows us to hand-wave and forgive.t > F > Forgiveness is not the point.  Relevance to his office is the point.N > There's no clever parsing involved:  the intent of the Constitution is clearK > to anyone without an axe to grind, and those who did have an axe to grindwL > trampled upon said Constitution without a second thought, something I find7 > considerably more alarming than anything Clinton did.o  M That is the relavent point.  The attack on Clinton was a direct attack on thetO constitution!  The voters of the United States 'hired' slick willie.  What kindWJ of gross presumption was it for anyone else to take it into their hands toO attempt to fire him?  Idiots like congressman Hyde made it possible for Gore to M have a chance at the presidency.  Quite a number of the voters of the US take:M exception to anyone else attempting to usurp their authority.  It was not them. person that was assulted, it was the position.   >   Hist@ > > other indiscretions?  "Oh, this is the nineties."  Yeah, hey/ > > guys .. try to run that one past your wife.y > K > I'd consider it a bit presumptuous to pass judgement on behalf of HillaryyJ > for something she is clearly willing to live with (and suspect she wouldK > consider it presumptuous as well).  Though I don't believe this makes his L > behavior just hunky-dorey (I make my own judgements, just not on behalf of
 > others).  ' Private business, the name says it all.h  N > And as for the issue of having our kids exposed to the seamier side of humanH > behavior for a year or so, blame those who insisted in stirring up and% > perpetuating a tempest in a teapot.f  P Yep!  You can bet it wasn't slick willie who wanted the issue on the front page.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.como Vanderbilt, PA  15486r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 22:49:54 -0400b* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>( Subject: Re: Capellas supports Microsoft- Message-ID: <392F37D2.25EB6ACC@tsoft-inc.com>l   Bill McLaughlin wrote: >  > Hey, guys... > N > I don't presume to speak for the entire group...but I would assume that many > feel as I do--   Yep, I for one apologize.n  H > There is enough politics everywhere else. I for one enjoy my job and IM > consider it a big plus to be able to take a break from society/politics andd, > bury my head in technology (office Dilbert > issues aside). >   > This newsgroup is COMP.OS.VMS: >  > COMP    : COMPUTER > OS      : OPERATING SYSTEM6 > VMS     : THE BEST GENERAL PURPOSE OPERATING SYSTEM* > C >   * - Sorry, I just had to add that last 'political' view; but ATe > LEAST it's COMPUTER related.  4 Actually, it's something we all need to keep saying.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.como Vanderbilt, PA  15486m   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 05:33:01 GMTl* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)( Subject: RE: Capellas supports Microsoft+ Message-ID: <Uc3MU3DMK+Yz@eisner.decus.org>-  c In article <20000526212052.40542.qmail@hotmail.com>, Bill McLaughlin <mcbill20@hotmail.com> writes:R   > 8 > So, can't we take the political discussions elsewhere? > 
 > Just my .02  >   9 	You are an interesting one... 16 posts to comp.os.vms inp= 	the last year and a half and half of them about how to avoidc5 	spam because you hate spam.  One other chastizing toyF 	not "polticize comp.os.vms" because you get enough of that elsewhere.  : 	Betcha you are one of them there Libertarians aren't you?  > 	I've been reading and contributing here for about 13 years...= 	you gotta come up to speed to scan and delete.  Spam?  Easy.r 	Hit delete.  Works every time.g   				Robi   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:58:54 GMTr From: jgessling@yahoo.comr! Subject: Re: Comments on ABS v3.0 ) Message-ID: <8gmhh4$jfr$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    .n > D > Anyone here using - or put another way - trying to use this stuff?  E Sure, I've been trying.  In a very small (development) cluster.  ThisoB is simply a horrible product, I'm using it only because we alreadyF owned it.  My problems sound similar to yours, policy engine failures,D free tapes not getting allocated (so the job loops forever saying itC can't allocate a tape), and when it does run, it seems really slow..? (like 5 hours to backup about 9 gb of data, including verify inm a TL891 jukebox)  D I've had support on various issues and while the people are helpful,C there's really nothing they can do.  For example, when I was havingsF trouble with a restore (very clumsy interface) I was informed that oneC can't lookup files in the database unless you specify the disk namecE that the file originally was on.  This absolutely floored me, and all$F the support person could do was apoligize.  If you have DSN link, open8 up the storage database and look for the article titled:  G [ABS] ABS Can't Find Data In Catalog After Dir Moved & Log Name Changedc  C This is for an older version but the issue is still there, checkoutn this response.  > "This problem has been reviewed by Engineering and it has beenA determined not to be a design failure.  The behavior described is C consistent with the product's specifications.  There are no currenti# plans to change the specification."d  ? So whoever spec'ed this product didn't think files needed to be F recovered if you didn't know what original disk they came from?  Geez,9 SLS could do that, but the "current direction" is to ABS.e  G I'll tell you where my current direction is, I'm only going to strugglenA with ABS further until some paperwork gets through our system forv Tapesys.   Jimd    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:52:14 GMTa* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)! Subject: Re: Comments on ABS v3.0 + Message-ID: <vWK7FPE0zobM@eisner.decus.org>r  E In article <8gmhh4$jfr$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, jgessling@yahoo.com writes:a  I > I'll tell you where my current direction is, I'm only going to struggleoC > with ABS further until some paperwork gets through our system forh
 > Tapesys. >    	Tapesys is a great product.  9 	Seems several of these products are betwixt and between.,: 	VIOC is one.. we know for a fact caching gets much better: 	someday... maybe the same for Enterprise backup.  Someday@ 	VMS becomes a great Enterprise product with everything you needF 	"in there" instead of bolt-on solutions found in the Unix and Windows 	world.n   				Roba   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:48:04 -0400e* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>5 Subject: Re: Compaq not as bad as Andrew says (wish?)r- Message-ID: <392EB8D4.FABBBF52@tsoft-inc.com>e   David Mathog wrote:a > G > By definition though, none of this is OpenVMS.  It refers to the hugesE > Tru64 and Linux/Alpha farms that places like Celera run.   Go visitd= > the HPTC pages and nary a word about OpenVMS will you find.  >  >   http://www.digital.com/hpc/m > M > Compaq is absolutely not interested in selling OpenVMS for this market.  If J > they were they would keep the compiler features on par with Tru64 (the CM > compiler for Tru64 has profile based optimization and all the libraries arerL > available compiled to take advantage of the latest processors). They wouldK > also deal with the lack of automatic file caching, which no amount of RMSjL > fiddling will make up for and leads to dramatic increases in throughput inK > most instances.  (Data integrity is not much of an issue in this market -sL > most of the computing is data in, crunch, data out, and if the power fails+ > in the middle you just start over again.)  > J > The irony is that OpenVMS was the HPTC workhorse of the 80's, and it wasK > probably that market which enabled it to grow into the "Enterprise" classo" > OS that Compaq says it is today.  D The problem is not with VMS, but with C programs written to use UnixP capabilities.  Should the same application be written to use VMS's capabilities,N it should match the performance of T64, and many times exceed T64.  I'd ratherN use global sections than file caching in some cases.  Too many capabilities to start a list here.  M As for the evolution of VMS, the earliest systems in 1978 were more suited tonM scientific computing.  It was the input of the business users that helped VMSeL grow into an enterprise class OS.  Things like BACKUP, extensive print/batchD queue capabilities, the data integrity you don't seem to care about.   Dave   -- l4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.como Vanderbilt, PA  15486u   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:41:46 -0400h2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: ES40 Configurationi7 Message-ID: <200005262341_MC2-A694-E174@compuserve.com>   J         It's not a cluster but it could be.  The ES40 with two processors=  H will support two Galaxy instances which you could, with some trouble andE expense, cluster.  There might be cases where it makes sense to do so $ though I can't think of one offhand.  H         Another response pointed out that 24x9 is not likely to give youF 200gb of RAID5.  With six member RAID sets it's only going to give you 180gb or so of usable space.  J         Another issue which none of the other responses so far has really=  J addressed is that 9gb disks are more expensive, per gigabyte, than larger=  F disks.  Yet another is that, although you didn't mention how you wouldE house these disks, an SW300 cabinet with a capacity of 24 disks seemssH likely.  To populate this with 9gb disks would mean that, to expand, youJ would either have to replace disks with larger ones, or add another SW300=  J cabinet with additional HSZ controllers.  Either option seems unreasonabl= y 
 expensive!  G         If you buy enough 18gb disks to make up the space you need, youeH would have slots left over for expansion, and for "sparesets".    Three,J five member RAID5 sets of 18gb disks would give you 216gb of usable space=  G and nine free slots.  Cost that out and see if it doesn't give you moreeJ space for less money.  It leaves you nine free slots which you can use fo= rhH another RAID 5 set someday when you need more space, and for spare disksJ which the controllers will use to replace a failed disk drives (spareset)= .   J         You might also consider whether or not you want all your disk spa= ceG to be RAID5.  RAID1 might be a better choice for your system disk and a. separate page/swap disk.  J         You could do the same thing with HSZ50 controllers but I would no= tt. recommend it.  They would be MUCH cheaper but:4 1.  They are not Ultra SCSI so you lose performance.D 2.  Compaq will no longer support the firmware, as of April 1, 2001!  J         HSZ70 controllers would also work and they are Ultra SCSI.  OTOH,=  I7 believe that they are, or soon will be, at end of life.u  J         I would go with the HSZ80s.  The cost of operating them is not al= liD that great compared to the cost of buying them in the first place. =  J Pinching pennies here would be a mistake.  If you want something like  24= x7J with little or no down time, you should have all your disk RAIDed and you=   should have dual controllers. J I would go so far as to say that you really need a two node cluster with = an quorum disk.   =    ' Message text written by Stanley Hippler G >From our local sales rep, we requested an ES40 configuration; dual 667vA processors, 4 gigabytes ram, roughly 200 gigabytes Raid-5 capablerF disk.  The response included dual HSZ80 controllers, twenty-four 9 gig$ disks to meet the disk requirements.  H While this is skimpy information I am supplying, what I want to know is:+     1) Is this really a one-node "cluster"?s:     2) Does this seem like a reasonable disk configuration?     3) Given the associated costs of using the HSZ80s, is therea>        some other I/O configuration that should be considered?  F I can set up and run a cluster.  However, this is a single machine.  I? would prefer a more simple I/O solution, without the clustering  management overhead.  D The main software applications will include SCT's Plus2000 packages,- email for up to 8000 students, OSU webserver.o  * Any responses will be greatly appreciated. <    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 20:25:50 GMTi# From: alphaman@hsv.sungardtrust.coma  Subject: Re: Faxing from OpenVMS) Message-ID: <8gmmju$ncj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>n  3 In article <392eb778.101045946@news.earthlink.net>,t/   DRHarrold@earthlink.net (Dave Harrold) wrote:uE > Sorry,  FaxSr for VMS was killed off by Omtool.  You may be able toaB > still get it, but no support.  Too bad, I liked the product much > better than GoldFax. >  > Dave Harrold   Hi Dave!  Long time no see...n  # Sorry to hear about FaxSr.  Bummer.t  F We use CompuFAX from Networking Dynamics, in beautiful Clearwater, FL:  #  http://www.networkingdynamics.com/h  4 Command line, email, and PC interfaces.  Kinda cool.   Aaronr --< Aaron Sakovich                 SunGard Huntsville Operations< 256 971-5808                   sakovich@hsv.sungardtrust.com< Internet:                            http://www.alphant.com/< Even my car has a website:  http://www.alphant.com/cristine/3 "Try not!  Do, or do not.  There is no try." (Yoda)     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy..   ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2000 22:24:42 GMT8 From: gartmann@mpi6.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)  Subject: Re: Faxing from OpenVMS0 Message-ID: <8gmtja$6qt$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  X In article <392e72df.0@209.128.1.3>, "Dan Kennedy" <dkennedy@marine-atlantic.ca> writes:K >I am looking for any information regarding Fax software running on OpenVMSOK >Alpha V7.2   All I can find on my own so far is GoldFax and I have used itvI >in the past and was not impressed with it. Any help on the topic will beo
 >appreciated.i > O We use CompuFax and are quite happy with it. It is very reliable, the licensing_L scheme is good (you pay for the lines) and it offers everything we want. YouM may fax ASCII, PostScript and T4 and you fax either via a print-queue or from  the command line.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +------------ http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/english/menue.html -----------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:17:49 GMTn& From: "Marco Shaw" <marco@nbnet.nb.ca> Subject: Re: Install options?n: Message-ID: <01bfc73e$57c82ee0$12ae868e@Lxxxx.nbtel.nb.ca>  > > > Or does the hobbyist license of OpenVMS allow one to setup@ > > a RIS server so I can install that way (since I have another > > Alpha @ work)? > % > What do you mean by a "RIS" server?i  E Thanks, I'll keep hacking at it.  RIS=remote installation server, akaeJ InfoServer.  I used a different SRM for AXPpci 166, and got much further. G Even got up to INITIALIZING the install target, but the install programe+ couldn't see my 2nd disk for some reason...l   Another late nite ahead...   Marco    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 20:42:53 GMTa# From: alphaman@hsv.sungardtrust.com  Subject: Jabber on OpenVMS?t) Message-ID: <8gmnk9$o62$1@nnrp1.deja.com>d   Hi all,s  1 Has anyone looked into porting Jabber to OpenVMS?w  ? For those who aren't familiar, Jabber is an open source instantoF messaging client and SERVER (!) that is compatible with a long list ofF other IM clients.  From what I've seen, it's about the only IM server,. and one of the few open-source kits out there.  G The potential for IM behind firewalls looks really attractive; I'd like - to see this on OpenVMS (no U*X in this shop).s   Server: http://www.jabber.org/   Client: http://www.jabber.com/   TIA, Aaron  --< Aaron Sakovich                 SunGard Huntsville Operations< 256 971-5808                   sakovich@hsv.sungardtrust.com< Internet:                            http://www.alphant.com/< Even my car has a website:  http://www.alphant.com/cristine/3 "Try not!  Do, or do not.  There is no try." (Yoda)c    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.v   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 22:57:05 -0400u* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: Jabber on OpenVMS? - Message-ID: <392F3981.15A2014C@tsoft-inc.com>i  $ alphaman@hsv.sungardtrust.com wrote: > 	 > Hi all,t > 3 > Has anyone looked into porting Jabber to OpenVMS?y > A > For those who aren't familiar, Jabber is an open source instanttH > messaging client and SERVER (!) that is compatible with a long list ofH > other IM clients.  From what I've seen, it's about the only IM server,0 > and one of the few open-source kits out there. > I > The potential for IM behind firewalls looks really attractive; I'd liker/ > to see this on OpenVMS (no U*X in this shop).   P Not sure what you're describing.  Inter-process messages?  Something like PHONE?   Dave   -- o4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.coms Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:47:42 -0700e/ From: Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com>a* Subject: RE: Looking for sudo like utilityM Message-ID: <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213019AEE47@seantexch.unitedad.com>l   Check out watcher by symarke Terry    -----Original Message-----B From: carl@gergl1.gerg.tamu.edu [mailto:carl@gergl1.gerg.tamu.edu]" Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 8:48 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com,* Subject: Re: Looking for sudo like utility  * Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.demon.co.uk writes... }brewstsc@my-deja.com wrote: }-H }> A long time ago, I knew of a utility, become, that would allow you toG }> become another user (on a VMS system).  It is similar to sudo in theoI }> unix world.  I have a need for this utility but havent had any luck inhJ }> locating it or anything similar.  If you know where I might find such a3 }> utility, please forward me the appropriate info.c }yD }I'd recommend Hunter Goatley's HGLOGIN, available from ftp.wku.edu. }i
 }Roy omond }Blue Bubble Ltd.O  > As long as we are recommending things, I recommend SET HOST 0.= Then enter the username and password. You will have the exact ; context of a process running as the username you specified,t= which isn't surprising since you will be running in a processg< that really is running as the username in question. You just& can't beat that level of "simulation".   --- Carl    5 *****************************************************     5 *****************************************************54 Any views or opinions are solely those of the author) and do not necessarily represent those ofn United News& Media.n5 *****************************************************D4 The information transmitted is intended only for the1 person or entity to which it is addressed and mayn3 contain confidential and/or privileged material. Ife3 you are not the intended recipient of this message,t. please do not read, copy, use or disclose this3 communication and notify the sender immediately. It 0 should be noted that any review, retransmission,2 dissemination or other use of, or taking action in- reliance upon, this information by persons ort- entities other than the intended recipient ish prohibited.a5 *****************************************************e **   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 19:46:55 +0200?2 From: martin@RADIOGAGA.HARZ.DE (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: Motif - Version?-; Message-ID: <392eb88f.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>@  $ Philipp Gasser (ga@adasys.ch) wrote:, : - I ve got an OpenVMS - Installation (6.2)B : Now, Im interested in the Motif - Version, but where/and how can : I find out this information.   $ @SYS$UPDATE:DECW$VERSIONSe  D gives you the versions of the various parts of the X Windows system.   cu,a   Martin --D                        |  Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer1   OpenVMS: When you    |  work: mv@pdv-systeme.deoH   KNOW where you want  |        http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/8   to go today.         |  home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:28:50 -0700s/ From: Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com>e( Subject: none urgent cobol exit questionM Message-ID: <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213019AEE45@seantexch.unitedad.com>    Hello All,  ? Hope everyone in the states is going to a long (great) weekend.h  L I remember back when I (at least I think I do) when I was able to do a "ExitK 4"  in a Cobol program and this with translate into the $status (shown as adJ fatal error) so that after the run I could do a stat=$status and work with0 the knowledge of how the Cobol program exited.    K The Cobol that I am using and all documentation that I have on had says the  exit can't have the 4n  K Terry stumped on how to pass a status to DCL. I know I can set a symbol and.B do it that way but I thought there was a simpler/ standard method     5 *****************************************************c    5 *****************************************************l4 Any views or opinions are solely those of the author) and do not necessarily represent those ofl United News& Media.u5 *****************************************************c4 The information transmitted is intended only for the1 person or entity to which it is addressed and mays3 contain confidential and/or privileged material. Ift3 you are not the intended recipient of this message,-. please do not read, copy, use or disclose this3 communication and notify the sender immediately. It 0 should be noted that any review, retransmission,2 dissemination or other use of, or taking action in- reliance upon, this information by persons ort- entities other than the intended recipient isi prohibited.l5 *****************************************************e **   ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2000 20:54:05 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), Subject: Re: none urgent cobol exit question6 Message-ID: <8gmo9d$apo$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   In article <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213019AEE45@seantexch.unitedad.com>, Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com> writes:l  M :I remember back when I (at least I think I do) when I was able to do a "Exit-L :4"  in a Cobol program and this with translate into the $status (shown as aK :fatal error) so that after the run I could do a stat=$status and work withs1 :the knowledge of how the Cobol program exited.  e  I   Apparently the ANSI COBOL standard doesn't permit returning the status .G   via EXIT PROGRAM, and the COBOL compiler was subsequently changed to C<   provide the required ("correct") ANSI-compliant behaviour.  L :The Cobol that I am using and all documentation that I have on had says the :exit can't have the 4  F   Beware: 4 is not a valid status code as far as OpenVMS is concerned,D   though it is the severity code associated with a fatal error code.  D   If you are going to work with message codes, I would encourage youB   to create your own message file and your own message codes.  YouC   can then have full control over the error codes returned, and thej   text translations applied.  L :Terry stumped on how to pass a status to DCL. I know I can set a symbol andC :do it that way but I thought there was a simpler/ standard method n  G   If you want the old compiler behaviour, you can use /STANDARD=V3, or  H   you could recode your application(s) to explicitly exit via a call to    the sys$exit system service:  2     CALL "SYS$EXIT" BY VALUE numeric-return-value.  E   As a more specific example, you can return the constant value that  *   is "behind" the SS$_BADPARAM symbol via:  &     CALL 'SYS$EXIT' USING BY VALUE 20.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:38:39 +0111 9 From: Mark Iline - Info-VAX account <ivax@meng.ucl.ac.uk>e/ Subject: OpenVMS vs Tru64 Pathworks performance 1 Message-ID: <009EAAE3.37FF59D8.24@meng.ucl.ac.uk>r  I Has anyone know of any performance figure comparing Pathworks on OpenVMS uK against Pathworks on Tru64 (on comparable hardware) ? A comparison against  1 NT Advanced Server on Intel would be interesting.2  = I'm aware that measuring performance peoperly is not trivial.   J I currently seem to be seeing a well-specified OpenVMS dual processor DS20J being significantly slower at serving files to PC clients than a bog-stockH Proliant 1600, which is significantly slower than a PW500au running PW & Tru64. i  J I'm not asking why this is - I know this isn't a trivial question. What I H would like to know is whether the Pathworks on OpenVMS product performs J significantly worse than its Tru64 counterpart in a comparable situation. 6 That information will help me decide where to go next.  L [I'm being beaten up to ditch VMS for Tru64 on the DS20 on the basis of the 2 lacklustre performance. Which I'd rather not do...  H Just for interest, copying a 10 Mbyte file from an RA3000 (it's totally J cached in the RA cache - I'm watching the indicators) on the DS20 to a PC D client takes ~6 seconds. Interestingly, we get up to about 150% CPU : utilisation during that time - Interrupt & Kernel mostly.]     Mark    Mark Iline	system@meng.ucl.ac.uk- Dept Mech Eng, University College, London. UKi   			Read at your own risk.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 20:21:43 -0400o' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>n3 Subject: Re: OpenVMS vs Tru64 Pathworks performancer( Message-ID: <8gn49q$3a4$1@pyrite.mv.net>  B One glaring deficiency in VMS Pathworks is the lack of support forL 'opportunistic locking', which allows clients to cache file contents as longG as no write-accessor exists.  For some reason, the VMS road map doesn'tfJ indicate that this will be fixed for another 2 years, by which time anyoneG in their right mind will have permanently discarded VMS as a reasonableh Windows server.   H Sorry - I know that doesn't provide the information you requested (and IK have no idea whether Pathworks on Tru64 suffers from the same problem), but E it does seem relevant to your situation if performance is an on-goingd concern for you.   - bill  D Mark Iline - Info-VAX account <ivax@meng.ucl.ac.uk> wrote in message+ news:009EAAE3.37FF59D8.24@meng.ucl.ac.uk... J > Has anyone know of any performance figure comparing Pathworks on OpenVMSL > against Pathworks on Tru64 (on comparable hardware) ? A comparison against3 > NT Advanced Server on Intel would be interesting.p > ? > I'm aware that measuring performance peoperly is not trivial.e >tL > I currently seem to be seeing a well-specified OpenVMS dual processor DS20L > being significantly slower at serving files to PC clients than a bog-stockJ > Proliant 1600, which is significantly slower than a PW500au running PW & > Tru64. >nK > I'm not asking why this is - I know this isn't a trivial question. What IlI > would like to know is whether the Pathworks on OpenVMS product performshK > significantly worse than its Tru64 counterpart in a comparable situation.o8 > That information will help me decide where to go next. >wI > [I'm being beaten up to ditch VMS for Tru64 on the DS20 on the basis of  theg4 > lacklustre performance. Which I'd rather not do... >2I > Just for interest, copying a 10 Mbyte file from an RA3000 (it's totallyoK > cached in the RA cache - I'm watching the indicators) on the DS20 to a PCiE > client takes ~6 seconds. Interestingly, we get up to about 150% CPU < > utilisation during that time - Interrupt & Kernel mostly.] >r >o > Mark >c" > Mark Iline system@meng.ucl.ac.uk/ > Dept Mech Eng, University College, London. UK  >m > Read at your own risk. >t >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:18:10 -0400i* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>3 Subject: Re: OpenVMS vs Tru64 Pathworks performancee- Message-ID: <392F3E72.1ECD23A4@tsoft-inc.com>n  $ Mark Iline - Info-VAX account wrote: > J > Has anyone know of any performance figure comparing Pathworks on OpenVMSL > against Pathworks on Tru64 (on comparable hardware) ? A comparison against3 > NT Advanced Server on Intel would be interesting.R > ? > I'm aware that measuring performance peoperly is not trivial.  > L > I currently seem to be seeing a well-specified OpenVMS dual processor DS20L > being significantly slower at serving files to PC clients than a bog-stockJ > Proliant 1600, which is significantly slower than a PW500au running PW & > Tru64. > K > I'm not asking why this is - I know this isn't a trivial question. What IrI > would like to know is whether the Pathworks on OpenVMS product performssK > significantly worse than its Tru64 counterpart in a comparable situation.m8 > That information will help me decide where to go next. > M > [I'm being beaten up to ditch VMS for Tru64 on the DS20 on the basis of the 4 > lacklustre performance. Which I'd rather not do... > I > Just for interest, copying a 10 Mbyte file from an RA3000 (it's totally:K > cached in the RA cache - I'm watching the indicators) on the DS20 to a PCyE > client takes ~6 seconds. Interestingly, we get up to about 150% CPU.< > utilisation during that time - Interrupt & Kernel mostly.]  L Sorry to have to say this, but from my experiences, the best file server forK windoz is a windoz system.  I don't really like that answer, but the answert never asked my opinion.1  N Get a cheap windoz system and use the DS20 for some real computing, using VMS.   Dave   -- d4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.como Vanderbilt, PA  15486a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:46:27 +0000e- From: ezzaoudi med <m.ezzaoudi@digitem.co.ma> & Subject: Pathwork and shared ressource- Message-ID: <392EC683.2F86CC53@digitem.co.ma>a   Hellox  D I have a VAX 4000 with  4 scsi disks, OpenVMS 6.2 and pathwork V5.0.? The disks DKA100 DKA200 DKA300 and DKA400 works fine under VMS.-G I can create directory , files and delete them without problem in the 44 disks.G Under Pathwork I can only create shared directory in DKA100 and DKA200. D When I try to create shared directory in DKA300 and DKA400, with the samesn? commands and procedure than with DKA100 and DKA200, I have this 	 message :   5  ADMIN> add share/directory  new dka300:<000000.ezza>g- %PWRK-E-ERRADDSHARE, error adding share "NEW"-= -LM-E-NERR_UNKNOWNDEV, the device or directory does not existM  
 Any idea ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 02:06:46 GMT7# From: alphaman@hsv.sungardtrust.com * Subject: Re: Pathwork and shared ressource) Message-ID: <8gnaje$5bi$1@nnrp1.deja.com>a  - In article <392EC683.2F86CC53@digitem.co.ma>,h0   ezzaoudi med <m.ezzaoudi@digitem.co.ma> wrote:A > Under Pathwork I can only create shared directory in DKA100 ande DKA200.eF > When I try to create shared directory in DKA300 and DKA400, with the > samesnA > commands and procedure than with DKA100 and DKA200, I have thise > message :e > 7 >  ADMIN> add share/directory  new dka300:<000000.ezza>./ > %PWRK-E-ERRADDSHARE, error adding share "NEW"a? > -LM-E-NERR_UNKNOWNDEV, the device or directory does not exists  G Are the volume labels on 300 and 400 longer than 10 characters?  If so,cA you'll need to map those devices to shorter names in an .ini fileSG (don't recall if it's pwrk.ini or lanman.ini, but it's in the PWRK$ROOTeA directory).  PATHWORKS will automount drives with labels up to 10fG characters as hidden system shares (e.g., DISK$OPERATIONS automounts as A the hidden share OPERATIO.NS$ -- note the microsoft 8.3 character  limitation).  F Sorry I don't recall off the top of my head which .ini file it is thatD needs to be modified, but it's documented in the manuals if you have them handy.   
 Good luck, Aarona    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.5   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 20:46:24 +0200  From: "Wim" <wim@wandoo.nl>w& Subject: Re: print problem Please help* Message-ID: <8gmgq2$2cl$1@news1.xs4all.nl>  7 I changed the IP adress of the printer not for the nodea      B "Tim Llewellyn" <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> schreef in bericht) news:392EA577.1325DA99@cableinet.co.uk...  >0 >  > Wim wrote: > >eL > > I changed the ip adress of a node. And now I have the following problem.& > >  I get this message while printing > >nK > >  UCX$TELNETSYM - (PR_VAR2) read_completion_ast read: connect to networkb > > object timed-out or failed > > < > >  I can ping the printer and I can telnet to the printer. >l: > Are you sure its not a paper jam or other media problem? >tH > Are you sure there isn't a typo in the printer IP address in the queue
 > definition?w >eF > Are you sure the printer and your recently changed address node haveI > the correct network mask defined? I moved a server last week and we hadsF > a very weird connectivity problem due to an JetDirect card no havingI > network mask defined. The onsite network was 10bit (255.255.192.0 mask) E > and when the server was onsite too, it worked fine. Configuring the ! > network mask fixed the problem.  >e > Always worth double checking.  >8 >  >- > >-: > > Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.19 > >  on a AlphaServer 2100 5/250 running OpenVMS V6.2-1H3j >:< > What, no ECO. Get UCX4.1 ECO9 or upgrade to 4.2 latest ECO; > or possibly even TCP/IP Services 5.0A (is it supported on  > VMS 6.2, not sure?) ASAP.  >  > HTHi > --C > Home: Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk Work: Tim.Llewellyn@bbc.co.ukg >mD > Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of# > my employers or service provider.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:21:37 -0700 # From: Jethro Bodine <Me@nospam.com>w/ Subject: Re: Prob w/DCPS 1.7,HP4050, and HPGL/2>< Message-ID: <Me-B46894.15213726052000@svlnews.lmms.lmco.com>  4 In article <BLBvYFhoFT6s@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, E Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: o 926-3515) wrote:  C > In article <panderson-0F902B.11402923052000@news.earthlink.net>, y4 >     	Paul Anderson <panderson@genicom.com> writes:H > > In article <Me-0C67C5.11531222052000@svlnews.lmms.lmco.com>, Jethro ! > > Bodine <Me@nospam.com> wrote:T > > L > >> We just received a new HP4050 (nice printer). The problem is, however, J > >> that when we try to print files that contain HPGL/2 and PCL commands 	 > >> to  lJ > >> the printer using DCPS (v1.7 on OpenVMS Alpha 7.1), the printer just I > >> prints out the HPGL/2 commands as text (the printer responds to PCL * > >> commands correctly).* > > G > > DCPS does not support the HP LaserJet 4050 printer.  Therefore, we 5
 > > don't L > > know if the printer has native PCL or not.  We assume it doesn't and we K > > use the DCPS PCL 4 translator to translate PCL to PostScript.  I'd say *? > > use of this (old) translator is what's causing the problem.e > J >         While I haven't  tried  the  HPGL/2  stuff,  we  do have severalJ >     HP4050's  in service here and have no problems with them.  Being  asJ >     they're the HP4000 follow-on model, what I've done is to extract theJ >     HP4000-specific text modules from the DCPS device  control  library,J >     SYS$LIBRARY:DCSP$DEVCTL.TLB,  rename each of them to a correspondingJ >     LPS$$UNRECOGNIZED_* file, and  insert  them  in  a new (text) deviceA >     control library, e.g., I use SYS$LIBRARY:HP4050_DEVCTL.TLB.  > J >         Next, define (in  your  DCPS  startup  procedures) a search-listJ >     logical  name,  e.g.,  DCPS_HP4050_LIB, whose first  translation  isJ >     SYS$LIBRARY:HP4050_DEVCTL   and   whose   second   translation    isJ >     DCPS$DEVCTL.    Finally,   supply  DCPS_HP4050_LIB  as  the  libraryJ >     parameter in the queue startup for this printer (the P3 parameter toJ >     SYS$STARTUP:DCPS$EXECUTION_QUEUE.COM).  [Note: I don't happen to useJ >     the SYS$STARTUP:DCPS$*.COM files  but  do  all  the required logicalJ >     name  definitions and queue initialization, etc., in my own  commandJ >     file.  This has allowed me to make all  my  DCPS  queues  /AUTOSTART* >     across a list of 5 cluster nodes...] >  >         -Ken    F Thanks for the suggestion Ken.  I gave it a try but it did not work.  I After reading Paul Anderson's post, I see that DCPS will not even try to nG send PCL to the printer (it sends PCL translated to postscript).  Even AH though the HP4000's initialization modules might be right for the 4050, H DCPS does not use those modules to determine if the 4050 has native PCL.  F It would be nice if DCPS would skip the PCL to postscript translation D for unrecognized printers as long as the DATA_TYPE=PCL parameter is 
 specified.  
 Thanks again,t jt   ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2000 20:51:00 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)' Subject: RMS tuning versus file cachingv, Message-ID: <8gmo3k$nq8@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  I We've gone over the RMS vs. file caching stuff quite a bit, but there are K a couple of things that are still unclear to me.  The default RMS counts on* my system are: *  	 $ sho rms*M           MULTI-  |                MULTIBUFFER COUNTS               | NETWORKnL           BLOCK   | Indexed  Relative            Sequential         |  BLOCKL           COUNT   |                     Disk   Magtape  Unit Record |  COUNTJ Process     0     |    0         0        0       0         0       |    0J System     16     |    0         0        0       0         0       |    8  0           Prolog    Extend Quantity      VCC_DFW- Process     0              0                0 - System      0              0                0o  J And this results in, as far as I can tell, each file write going straight ! to disk.  If the process issues a,   $ set rms/buffer=100  I that will increase write performance (it doesn't seem to do anything for dG read though).  But any use of buffers decreases data integrity, right? * So is this correct?-  5 1. If the system crashes before the buffer is writtenG    then the data vaporizes.  c  9 2. Once buffering is enabled the last buffer of data onlyu<    goes to disk once the program closes the file (explicitly    or on exit.)1  J That's not quite so insecure as WNT or Unix style file caching (where the I data may not get written to disk even on process exit), but its certainly G enough to hose software which depends on state data written to files onhI disk. It also means that in terms of data integrity there's not much data H integrity advantage for RMS using buffers with a program written naivelyJ (ie, not written to force flushes through the cache at key regions) versusJ running the same thing on Unix and following each program with a "synch".   G While VMS doesn't do file caching, there is "SET FILE/GLOBAL" which is nF supposed to let multiple processes share buffers for one file.  (I sayK "near as I can tell" because I have not yet found a program where I can runaK two copies and see a difference with this on versus off.)  I couldn't see asH way to force it to leave those buffers around between runs, but maybe itJ would if a dummy program was running that did nothing but leave the accessH "open"???  I'm thinking about a case where a large file is read over andC over again by different programs, and I'd like to avoid the disk IO D associated with that.  For a moment I thought that the engineers hadF actually put in a way to do this, but SET FILE/CACHING only applies toI Spiralog volumes, and Spiralog was (last time I heard) not a product that  is safe to use.   J Anyway, by futzing around with the RMS parameters I have been able to makeI at least one program (TFASTA3, which scans a protein sequentially againsteL a 9 Mb DNA database file) run as fast on OpenVMS as it does on Linux/Alpha. D If I don't change the RMS parameters it runs exactly half as fast onE OpenVMS.  That sort of fine tuning shows that equivalent performance  G usually be had, but I sure wish there was a global knob I could turn tomK make that the default, rather than having to muck around on a file by file,  process by process basis.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edua? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech aJ **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:37:04 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>+ Subject: Re: RMS tuning versus file cachingv- Message-ID: <392F42E0.B3823F41@tsoft-inc.com>a   David Mathog wrote:f > K > We've gone over the RMS vs. file caching stuff quite a bit, but there aresM > a couple of things that are still unclear to me.  The default RMS counts on  > my system are: >  > $ sho rmsrO >           MULTI-  |                MULTIBUFFER COUNTS               | NETWORK N >           BLOCK   | Indexed  Relative            Sequential         |  BLOCKN >           COUNT   |                     Disk   Magtape  Unit Record |  COUNTL > Process     0     |    0         0        0       0         0       |    0L > System     16     |    0         0        0       0         0       |    8 > 2 >           Prolog    Extend Quantity      VCC_DFW/ > Process     0              0                0o/ > System      0              0                0    Yep, that's standard.s  K > And this results in, as far as I can tell, each file write going straightt# > to disk.  If the process issues a-  > Only if you must load the 16 block buffer with different data.   > $ set rms/buffer=100 > J > that will increase write performance (it doesn't seem to do anything forH > read though).  But any use of buffers decreases data integrity, right? > So is this correct?r  J Well, now you have 100 16-block I/O buffers.  You can update a significantN amount of data, 1600 blocks, before any are flushed to disk by the re-use of a buffer for a new read.  N The reads are from disk, not the previously read data in the buffer(s), unlessP you're hitting the same data again.  If you're processing a large amount of dataM a single time, then the multiple buffers allow defered writes, but except forrM read-ahead on sequential files (I think it's only on sequential files, been aoC while since I was in the manual) all new reads will come from disk.I  7 > 1. If the system crashes before the buffer is writtena >    then the data vaporizes.e   Battery backup unit.  ; > 2. Once buffering is enabled the last buffer of data onlye> >    goes to disk once the program closes the file (explicitly >    or on exit.)    Correct.  K > That's not quite so insecure as WNT or Unix style file caching (where themK > data may not get written to disk even on process exit), but its certainlyeI > enough to hose software which depends on state data written to files on K > disk. It also means that in terms of data integrity there's not much data J > integrity advantage for RMS using buffers with a program written naivelyL > (ie, not written to force flushes through the cache at key regions) versusK > running the same thing on Unix and following each program with a "synch".i  ' You bet, no such thing as a free lunch.i  H > While VMS doesn't do file caching, there is "SET FILE/GLOBAL" which isH > supposed to let multiple processes share buffers for one file.  (I sayM > "near as I can tell" because I have not yet found a program where I can runcM > two copies and see a difference with this on versus off.)  I couldn't see a-J > way to force it to leave those buffers around between runs, but maybe itL > would if a dummy program was running that did nothing but leave the accessJ > "open"???  I'm thinking about a case where a large file is read over andE > over again by different programs, and I'd like to avoid the disk IOdF > associated with that.  For a moment I thought that the engineers hadH > actually put in a way to do this, but SET FILE/CACHING only applies toK > Spiralog volumes, and Spiralog was (last time I heard) not a product that. > is safe to use.c  N RMS global buffers can be of great benefit in some cases.  Take the example ofP say 100 users of an application where some of the files are frequently used.  InO the case of an ISAM file, the root and upper levels of the key can be in memorytF once, and many processes can be accessing them frequently without diskI activity.  Your idea of a dummy process keeping the file open with global N buffers could help if the data in the global buffers was going to be used manyP times.  For a sequential pass thru a large enough file, the advantage decreases, possibly to nil.  L > Anyway, by futzing around with the RMS parameters I have been able to makeK > at least one program (TFASTA3, which scans a protein sequentially against M > a 9 Mb DNA database file) run as fast on OpenVMS as it does on Linux/Alpha. F > If I don't change the RMS parameters it runs exactly half as fast onF > OpenVMS.  That sort of fine tuning shows that equivalent performanceI > usually be had, but I sure wish there was a global knob I could turn tocM > make that the default, rather than having to muck around on a file by file,- > process by process basis.   M Changing the RMS parameters to meet individual needs is a good thing.  That'stP one of the reasons they are so easy to set on a process level, and even a system level.  J Still seems to me that mapping the file as a global section might give youO better results.  But that means programming.  Changing RMS parameters is fairlyi	 painless.e   Dave   -- z4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.comx Vanderbilt, PA  15486m   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:49:59 -0700a! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com 0 Subject: Serial cable for AlphaStation 200 4/166C Message-ID: <OF840BDA6F.EED63B82-ON882568EB.00727085@HEALTHNET.COM>r   Hello, it's me again.2  J Can anyone point me towards some documentation for hooking up a Windows PCG (hawk, spit) as an AlphaStation 200 4/166's console? I need to know theAK type of cable, pin assignments if I've got to build it myself, default baudt! rate, and all that kind of stuff.e   TIA,   Shaneo   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:06:29 -0400a# From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com>i4 Subject: RE: Serial cable for AlphaStation 200 4/166: Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD6FD@BERRY>  J The connector is the same as a generic PC's serial port so you will need aJ null modem (pins swapped) cable with 9 pin female connectors on both ends.I I don't know the pin assignments for a 9 pin PC serial connector but they4I shouldn't be hard to find.  You can probably buy this cable at any decentr computer store.s  I I believe that the default baud rate is 9600 (at least it always seems toe
 work for me).z   > -----Original Message-----H > From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com [mailto:Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com]$ > Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 4:50 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 2 > Subject: Serial cable for AlphaStation 200 4/166 >  >  > Hello, it's me again.  > @ > Can anyone point me towards some documentation for hooking up  > a Windows PC> > (hawk, spit) as an AlphaStation 200 4/166's console? I need 
 > to know thet9 > type of cable, pin assignments if I've got to build it b > myself, default baud# > rate, and all that kind of stuff.l >  > TIA, >  > Shanes >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2000 21:19:37 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)4 Subject: Re: Serial cable for AlphaStation 200 4/1666 Message-ID: <8gmpp9$cbb$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  g In article <OF840BDA6F.EED63B82-ON882568EB.00727085@HEALTHNET.COM>, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:oK :Can anyone point me towards some documentation for hooking up a Windows PCiH :(hawk, spit) as an AlphaStation 200 4/166's console? I need to know theL :type of cable, pin assignments if I've got to build it myself, default baud" :rate, and all that kind of stuff.  F   Please see the OpenVMS FAQ section ALPHA7 for the console speed and D   bit settings.  (As for how to configure the matching settings over    on the PC end, I do not know.)  H   The FAQ also has DB9 pinout and links to some of the pictures related    to the available connectors.  F   The DB9 cable pinout is the same pinout on both ends here, though I H   don't know if you'll need straight-through or cross-over wiring.  I'd E   initially tend to assume cross-over wiring as a guess, but I don't (F   know that for certain.  (If you're working regularly in the wiring,    get yourself a breakout box.)p  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:45:44 -0400t* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>4 Subject: Re: Serial cable for AlphaStation 200 4/166- Message-ID: <392F44E8.82BF72C4@tsoft-inc.com>t  " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: >  > Hello, it's me again.f > L > Can anyone point me towards some documentation for hooking up a Windows PCI > (hawk, spit) as an AlphaStation 200 4/166's console? I need to know theoM > type of cable, pin assignments if I've got to build it myself, default baud/# > rate, and all that kind of stuff.   O As others mentioned, the pin assignments are the same at both ends.  The AS 200O can be an NT PC.  N You can get by with just xmit, rec, and ground, but hooking up the (I believe)P DTR/DSR doesn't hurt.  If you still have the manual that came with the AS 200, IO think the pin-out is in there.  You will have to reverse the xmit and rec, (andMO DTR/DSR), what we used to call a null-modem cable.  I think pins 2,3,4,5, and 6-- get used.  Been over a year.  Don't remember.   N If you don't get anywhere before Saturday, give me a yell.  I'm not going back: out tonight.  Got both cables and the books in the office.   Dave   -- m4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.comt Vanderbilt, PA  154861   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 19:35:24 GMTi' From: Fred Flame <Fred.Flame@localhost>C# Subject: Re: Shareware: txt2pdf PROm% Message-ID: <3l4gf94kper9t@localhost>w   sanface wrote:? > txt2pdf 3.x PRO is a very important evolution of txt2pdf 3.x.w) > We distribute only executable versions.sI > At the moment we distribute Windows, Linux, Solaris executable, you canDG > ask us other UNIX executables (AIX, HP-UX) or the original PERL code.P  , Now why do you send this ad to comp.os.VMS ?  % > Simpler to install, simpler to use.   6 Try the VMS "PRODUCT" command. This is simpler to use.  : > You don't need to install PERL, perl modules, libraries.B > Your old textual reports will become very pleasing graphical PDF
 > reports.  , Only interesting for text without substance.  E > The data from our forms (HTML, PDF, Flash) will become pleasing PDFh > documents.  * But not pleasing to the eyes of VMS users.  G > Your applications will simply integrate the power of txt2pdf 3.x PRO.  > C > txt2pdf PRO offers you all the features of txt2pdf 3.x plus theset > important features:i > Form Feed (^L) support   So does ASCII.  - > -skip1ff option to skip the first form feed   1 Who inserts a useless form feed at the beginning?R  + > doesn't print file name in the first line(  2 Neither does the TYPE command, unless you want it.  1 > the possibility to set the top and left marginse  1 Any text editor can do that. Any printer as well.   F > the possibility to create compressed PDFs (only using the executable# > Windows version or the PERL code)n  ? ZIP and GZIP are just fine. For free. But then, why bother withlG compression for text files. They are small enough, as long as you don'te add PDF overkill.   ? > the possibility to set all the text bold, italic, bold italicE  E Floor a bottle of wine and you see all the text bold, italic and boldl italic at the same time.  J > mailto option (the possibility to send to the specified user the createdI > PDF like attach. It's possible to specify the title, the body, the SMTP G > the from user) (only using the executable Windows version or the PERLn > code)n  ) MAIL/SUBJECT="get lost" NOPDF.TXT SANFACEu  H Any text editor is able to insert text. Print it, nail the paper on your% forehead and call it an "attachment".r  D > layers: background, foreground, background only in the first page, > backgroundD > in every page without the first, foreground only in the first page  G Mightyshlong has already invented this technology. They prefer black onw3 black and dark blue on blue. Visit their web sites.e  3 > Inside you can use PDF syntax to write and designr > #!image#;;;;;;;;#!/image#a > #!link#;;;;#!/link#-  	 Try this:-   ;-#    Or this:   :-/0 |: \`   >r7 > The registration fee is $500 (US) every installation.:  F $500? FIVE HUNDRED? I find it hard to believe that anybody with commonF sense wants to convert a readable text file into incompatible PDF. But- who is going to pay 500 bucks for this $#;+ ?n   How much is pdf2txt?   >  > Download it and test it!( > http://www.sanface.com/txt2pdfPRO.html   Waste of bandwidth.U   >  >  > -- > SANFACE Software? > Your technology glasses. We help you see your full potential.B   Milk glasses I presume.    \  =:-O  Fred Flame /g   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 18:11:54 GMT 3 From: corbett@epp.ne.mediaone.net (Michael Corbett)0  Subject: Re: TCPware window size= Message-ID: <K7zX4.29267$Ft1.1314404@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>C  N On 25 May 2000,  Jean-Franois Marchal <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote: >Bonjour  tous !  >nB >How can I see what window size is in effect under TCPware 5.3-3 ?> >I've found NETCU START/TCP has a /MWS qualifier to set it ...< >We have problems with printers attached to RapidPrint boxes4 >with "ECONNRESET connection reset by peer" messages >e >Merci ! >i >Jean-Franois Marchal >X900 - LYON >   G The window size changes depending on what the application specified forvD its receive buffer and host much space is left in the buffer when itA sends a TCP segment.  You can view the window size when by using  G NETCU DEBUG/TCP  to capture the traffic between the TCPware system and e& the RapidPrint boxes, something like -  3 $ NETCU DEBUG/TCP/DIA=<ipaddress_of_RapidPrint_box>   H The output will look something like the the example below.  The "W=xxxx" is the window size -  L 04:08.81 RCVD    60 bytes INET12:   198.115.142.10,1054 -> 198.115.142.43,239          LISTEN   SEQ=3677275507 D=0 ACK=0 W=6144 CTL=SYNiL 04:08.81 XMIT    48 bytes INET0:    198.115.142.43,23 -> 198.115.142.10,1054> 	 SYN-RCVD SEQ=499885985 D=0 ACK=3677275508 W=4096 CTL=SYN!ACK 	   E My guess is that the problem is not with the window size but with thepF MSS, maximum segment size, which TCPware 5.3-3 incorrectly advertises.2 This problem is corrected in the following patch -  7 ftp://ftp.process.com/support/53_3/drivers_v533p040.zipt  * The readme for the patch can be found at -  ? http://vms.process.com/scripts/eco/eco_tlb.com?DRIVERS_V533P040    regardsd Michaelr   -- rK +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ D Michael Corbett                           Email: Corbett@process.comB Process Software Corporation              Phone: 800 722-7770 x369B 959 Concord St.                                  508 879-6994 x369= Framingham MA 01701-4682                  FAX:   508 879-0042s   ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2000 22:33:40 GMT8 From: gartmann@mpi6.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: TSZ07 parameters?0 Message-ID: <8gmu44$6qt$2@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>   Hello,  K a Compaq service representative spent the whole day repairing our old TSZ07nL tape drive, without success yet :-(  Meanwhile we found out that this deviceK has some configurable parameters. The default settings don't work. Thus, in J case that there is still someone else around who has a working TSZ07 underK VMS (VAX-VMS 6.2 plus a bunch of patches in my case), could you please send G me the parameter settings or at least those that are different from the. default?   Regards,    Christoph Gartmannl  H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +------------ http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/english/menue.html -----------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:10:42 -0500 ) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>  Subject: Re: urgento7 Message-ID: <054a01bfc73d$b60d2330$020a0a0a@xile.realm>   . Stuart, Ed <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> wrote:   > <On sopabox...> L > All these posts and still no useful information for this gentleman.  MaybeI > this is another reason VMS sales are slipping.  I realize that there is E > "net/newsgroup etiquette," but if it is taken to an extreme then itr becomes K > elitist.  Sometimes the "correction" responses come across as "this is my1K > sandbox and if you're going to play here then you must play by my rules." I > Mabye those of you who have enough knowledge to help this gentleman can  sendJ > him the help he needs along with advice on how to post in proper format. > <Off soapbox.>  K As sections of threads can arrive in random order, you may not have noticedsJ that there have been advice posted to him on his original problem.  Two ofH the more detailed posts were by Steve Hoffman on May 15th, and May 23rd.    H I can repost the details of how to adjust outlook to be more friendly toI postings and mailing lists if it is needed, but that information was juste6 recently posted and easily extracted from www.deja.com    I As it is I do not know why this person sent out so many requests for helpyL under various titles and formats, even after the question has been answered.I The requestor appears to have received some of the responses as they havea( followed the advice on naming the title.  K However there are limits on how much a newsgroup can do, and it may be thatcH the person will need advice in their native language, or a consultant to examine their application.   -Johnt wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:40:21 -0500i/ From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com>t Subject: RE: urgent T Message-ID: <CB874B506A79D1118FBC006097306B89031202A4@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>    Agreed. Thanks for the heads up.   Ed   -----Original Message-----. From: John E. Malmberg [mailto:wb8tyw@qsl.net]" Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 1:11 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comk Subject: Re: urgent)    . Stuart, Ed <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> wrote:   > <On sopabox...>tL > All these posts and still no useful information for this gentleman.  MaybeI > this is another reason VMS sales are slipping.  I realize that there ispE > "net/newsgroup etiquette," but if it is taken to an extreme then it  becomeskK > elitist.  Sometimes the "correction" responses come across as "this is myaK > sandbox and if you're going to play here then you must play by my rules." I > Mabye those of you who have enough knowledge to help this gentleman can  sendJ > him the help he needs along with advice on how to post in proper format. > <Off soapbox.>  K As sections of threads can arrive in random order, you may not have noticedtJ that there have been advice posted to him on his original problem.  Two ofH the more detailed posts were by Steve Hoffman on May 15th, and May 23rd.    H I can repost the details of how to adjust outlook to be more friendly toI postings and mailing lists if it is needed, but that information was justs6 recently posted and easily extracted from www.deja.com    I As it is I do not know why this person sent out so many requests for helpoL under various titles and formats, even after the question has been answered.I The requestor appears to have received some of the responses as they havel( followed the advice on naming the title.  K However there are limits on how much a newsgroup can do, and it may be thathH the person will need advice in their native language, or a consultant to examine their application.   -Johnr wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:22:13 -0400a" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> Subject: RE: urgentu8 Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20000526162119.0221af00@24.8.96.48>  , At 11:30 AM 5/26/00 -0500, Stuart, Ed wrote: ><On sopabox...>K >All these posts and still no useful information for this gentleman.  MaybeaH >this is another reason VMS sales are slipping.  I realize that there isL >"net/newsgroup etiquette," but if it is taken to an extreme then it becomesJ >elitist.  Sometimes the "correction" responses come across as "this is myJ >sandbox and if you're going to play here then you must play by my rules."M >Mabye those of you who have enough knowledge to help this gentleman can senduI >him the help he needs along with advice on how to post in proper format.r ><Off soapbox.>   J Actually this person posted the exact same question a week or two ago and I got a coherent explanation of what was going on as well as a solution to fK his problem. Presumably he wasn't following the newsgroup/mailing list and e didn't see it.   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------t2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and even ;                                       teddy bears get drunkx   ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2000 17:58:09 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: VMS marketing6 Message-ID: <8gmdvh$76i$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  e In article <392E9FB0.23BBBFE7@cableinet.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> writes:0 :Hoff Hoffman wrote: : F :>   Nope.  PC image.  Not compatible with OpenVMS.  (Not that I wouldE :>   personally ever want to invoke any executable image received via'B :>   an unsolicited email message -- on any PC or OpenVMS system.) : @ :Hoff, I'm playing the devils advocate here (:-)), but surely onB :VMS you could invoke the image from a totally locked down account> :...and be confident that it could not damage... in any way...  K   I follow lock-out/tag-out procedures when working on hazardous equipment.4F   I unplug electrical equipment before working on it.  I carry a spareK   "sharps" biohazard disposal container, for those times when I am dealing lK   with contaminated needles.  I use a meter to test for voltage, even with sK   the power shut down to the whole structure.  (I know of one case where a aK   structure had the main power completely shut down and it was still fully tJ   electrified -- the power was back-feeding into the house and through to L   ground through the municipal water system!  Electrified wire lathe behind .   old plaster has happened.  But I digress...)  I   Whether I'm confident in OpenVMS Security and whether or not I want to lF   prove that OpenVMS is secure (to myself) are two entirely different    discussions.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 02:25:06 GMT # From: alphaman@hsv.sungardtrust.com  Subject: Re: VMS marketing) Message-ID: <8gnbll$62a$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   , In article <392D7D78.B9B544DA@videotron.ca>,0   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:F > Comapaq could have used industry standard Quicktime or Real Video to	 make thata5 > clip instead of a proprietary Microsoft executable.E  5 Both of which aren't compatible with OpenVMS, either.   @ MPEG would be a better choice.  Heck, the MMOV tools have an AVI. player, but you need to stick to older codecs.   Aarond    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.b   ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2000 13:35:53 -0500- From: Graham Allan <allan@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu>h Subject: Re: VMS what's VMSe0 Message-ID: <w53k8gh88hi.fsf@lanark.spa.umn.edu>  5 Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> writes:   * > On Fri, 26 May 2000, Dan O'Reilly wrote: > S > > Maybe not by name, but the point is, the system was described as a UNIX server.n > > Patently a half-truth. > 0 > Only half truth if you know VMS isn't unix. :)  , So how about this, from Infoworld, May 22nd?   (regarding Wildfire launch)s  H "The server, which runs Linux and OpenVMS, Compaq's Tru64 brand of Unix,F from the vendor's Digital division, will support CPU clustering [...]"  G Now, apparently, OpenVMS, *is* Unix! Sadly this seems a roughly typical 3 level for press knowledge of either VMS or Tru64...c   G. -- -I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- : Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - gta@umn.edu - (612) 624-50409 School of Physics and Astronomy - University of Minnesota2I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 22:30:57 GMTi, From: "John Manning" <manningj@mediaone.net>- Subject: Re: Which is the language of VAX/VMSoF Message-ID: <BWCX4.61995$BG3.164132@typhoon.jacksonville.mediaone.net>  J The older versions of VAX VMS were written in Bliss.  The Alpha version isE now all C(I think) and most of the OpenVMS VAX 7.2 code is C as well.    John  ; "Terry C. Shannon" <shannon@world.std.com> wrote in message   news:FuKFEA.7C7@world.std.com... >o@ > "Pat Jankowiak" <vaxhackery@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message, > news:39281E7F.F8119A0F@worldnet.att.net...K > > Umm... DCL is the command line 'language', Cobol runs under VMS. POSIX,  anF > > unix-like shell, also runs on VMS. Does this answer this question? >fC > If not, perhaps the question relates to the system implementationn	 language,  > which IIRC is BLISS-32.n >h > >k > > moises_hernandez wrote:- > > >iH > > > Do you know which is the lenguage of the VAX/VMS operating system? > > > Is Cobol or Unix?5
 > > > Regardsn > > > Moises Hernandez >  >e   ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2000 23:07:00 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)- Subject: Re: Which is the language of VAX/VMSR6 Message-ID: <8gn02k$f4t$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  u In article <BWCX4.61995$BG3.164132@typhoon.jacksonville.mediaone.net>, "John Manning" <manningj@mediaone.net> writes:u7 :The older versions of VAX VMS were written in Bliss.  L  F   Bliss was certainly used on the older (as it was then known) VAX/VMSG   releases and is certainly still used for OpenVMS -- I'm in the midst .H   of chasing down a pesky syntax error in a (failing) Bliss compilation F   over in another window, for instance -- but Bliss was certainly not J   the only language used even in the earliest VAX/VMS releases -- a quick K   check of the VAX/VMS V1 listings -- yes, they're on-line -- shows mostly  L   Bliss and Macro code, with some Fortran and other stuff around.  (Fortran I   was used for SYE and ANALYZE, and for various other pieces of VAX/VMS.)n  I :The Alpha version is now all C(I think) and most of the OpenVMS VAX 7.2 e :code is C as well.e  H   The new OpenVMS VAX and OpenVMS Alpha code is written in a variety of H   languages, with C certainly being one of the more common languages -- C   but there is at least one local Ada adherent busily coding up new H   OpenVMS routines, and I am also also seeing Perl and Java and various :   other languages being checked into the source libraries.  H   Note: Existing modules are typically extended and enhanced as needed, J   and are generally only re-written into another language when a complete 5   replacement of the module becomes required/desired.e  H   Please see the OpenVMS FAQ for some general details on this topic, as *   this question does come up occasionally.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 00:17:14 GMTs! From: Ian Parker <parker@gol.com>I/ Subject: Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"S& Message-ID: <8oz2DDA7koL5EwA1@gol.com>  H In article <F150836441C5D311A11700508B6FF01A983490@bdant024.bda.bobda.co4 m>, Boyle, Darren <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> writesB >20 VMS systems currently running & seven not presently being used	 >- Darrenr > 
 >> ----------r7 >> From:        d.webb@mdx.ac.uk[SMTP:d.webb@mdx.ac.uk]a, >> Sent:        Friday, May 26, 2000 7:57 AM >> To:  Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come6 >> Subject:     Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus" >> r
 >> In article B >> <Pine.LNX.4.05.10005241508190.15858-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>,9 >>   Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> wrote:;/ >> > On Tue, 23 May 2000, David A Froble wrote:  >> >F >> > > Darn, I only got 13 VMS systems.  Now I feel left out.  Wait, I have >> 6 more atG >> > > another site!  How's 19 sound? Anybody else got a better number?n >> >C >> > No, but add mine to the whole count.  I've got four VAXen.  MyhE >> > significant-other has one -- given to her as a present actually.  >> Those >> > are fine. >> >C >> > I know of one at a university (yes, really), and have a friend  who's  >> got; >> > at least four going -- well, three vaxen and an alpha.u >> >
 >> > Regards,  >> >
 >> > Chris >>  F >> Well this University has 8 VMS Alpha server systems + about a dozen >> alpha and vax workstations. >> ...  > 15 VAXstation 4000/90s live, half a dozen spare, and 10 alphasF (Alphastations 200s up to 4100s).  But we had almost twice as many one	 year ago.2   -- 0
 Ian Parker   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.294 ************************