1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 28 May 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 297       Contents:7 Re: "VMS on Wildfire" Slides from NELUG meeting May 4th  Re: Comments on ABS v3.0 Re: ES40 Configuration Re: ES40 Configuration Re: FTP Server Logs. Re: Hangs on HSZ70# HLL (or DCL) ADMIN SEND equivalent? ' Re: HLL (or DCL) ADMIN SEND equivalent? 6 Re: How to export contents of RMS file to .csv format?6 Re: How to export contents of RMS file to .csv format?2 Re: OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies2 Re: OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies* Re: OpenVMS vs Tru64 Pathworks performance* Re: OpenVMS vs Tru64 Pathworks performance5 Re: problem linking to ucx$ipc.olb on AXP/VMX71-UCX40 " Re: RMS tuning versus file caching0 The Internet Spy Guide. Find out Info on Anyone! Re: VAX VMS 7.2 Bug?- Re: VAX VMS 7.2 Bug? ; backup/image/(no)alias  Re: VMS on the desktop?  Re: VMS on the desktop? $ Re: Which is the language of VAX/VMS Re: Wildfire Announcement & Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"& Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 08:11:05 +0200   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>@ Subject: Re: "VMS on Wildfire" Slides from NELUG meeting May 4th+ Message-ID: <VA.00000063.04d78bad@sture.ch>   < In article <C22568E9.005A6362.00@jklh21.valmet.com>,  wrote:    >  > Soon to be fixed!  > K > [BSOD's notwithstanding, it is no less unsafe to "turn off" a VMS machine  > without first = > performing an orderly shutdown than it is a Wintel machine. N > You never shut down an OpenVMS cluster, but you do sometimes shut down a VMSB > machine. The "beauty part" is that they are not the same thing.] > L Sorry, but I have to correct you there. NT employs a "lazy write" technique.   ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 08:11:07 +0200   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>! Subject: Re: Comments on ABS v3.0 + Message-ID: <VA.00000065.04d79110@sture.ch>   G In article <8gm3kv$71u$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>, Dave Gudewicz   wrote:3 > From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms  > Subject: Comments on ABS v3.0 ' > Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 10:05:19 -0500  > J > We've been trying for a few months now to get ABS v3.0a to run reliably. > K > Policy engine failures, media off-line and several other items seem to be  > preventing this. > ; > Support has been involved all along.  Still no solutions.  > ( > We heard there's a 3.0b out there now. > D > Anyone here using - or put another way - trying to use this stuff? > J Well one of my colleagues tried ABS late last year. The result was a list 3 of things which were promised for a future release.   J Our private opinion was that we were better off sticking to our tried and  tested DCL solutions.  ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 00:54:43 -0400 , From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@voyager.net> Subject: Re: ES40 Configuration 7 Message-ID: <3930a668$1$1408$2c3edae7@news.voyager.net>    d.webb@mdx.ac.uk wrote:  > 5 > The HSZ80s are just external UltraSCSI controllers.   F Yeah, with up to 512 Mb of write back cache !!!!!  I rememebr when you+ could boot VMS in less and 1 Mb of memory !    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 08:11:06 +0200   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: ES40 Configuration + Message-ID: <VA.00000064.04d78de5@sture.ch>   @ In article <8glrmu$2i4$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Stanley Hippler wrote:  H > From our local sales rep, we requested an ES40 configuration; dual 667C > processors, 4 gigabytes ram, roughly 200 gigabytes Raid-5 capable H > disk.  The response included dual HSZ80 controllers, twenty-four 9 gig& > disks to meet the disk requirements. > K As the others have done, I'd seriously question the supply of 9GB disks. I  J took delivery of and HSZ70 with 24 x 18GB disks about 2 years ago! Unless G of course the price is fiercely competitive to take this into account.  K Bear in mind that you could be getting second hand / refurbished disks, so  K you need to look at your warranty period / service contract too. (I've got  / 9 GB disks which are already dying of old age).   H You should also consider using VMS Volume Shadowing (at least look into I its benefits, even if you decide not to go with it). In which case, 18GB  @ disks would double you up to get over 200GB of shadow set space.  J > While this is skimpy information I am supplying, what I want to know is:- >     1) Is this really a one-node "cluster"?   G When you say "2 processors", is that a single ES40 with 2 cpus, or 2 x   ES40, each with one processor?  < >     2) Does this seem like a reasonable disk configurationA >     3) Given the associated costs of using the HSZ80s, is there @ >        some other I/O configuration that should be considered? > H > I can set up and run a cluster.  However, this is a single machine.  IA > would prefer a more simple I/O solution, without the clustering  > management overhead.  $ It's really not much of an overhead. > F > The main software applications will include SCT's Plus2000 packages,/ > email for up to 8000 students, OSU webserver.  > , > Any responses will be greatly appreciated. >    ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 28 May 2000 06:49:16 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)  Subject: Re: FTP Server Logs. ' Message-ID: <8gqfhc$gjr$1@joe.rice.edu>   3 Martin Vorlaender (martin@RADIOGAGA.HARZ.DE) wrote: 4 : If you want to completely get rid of all of those: : : : UCX> (or TCPIP>) SET SERVICE FTP /LOG_OPTIONS=(FILE=NL:)  G Thanks, Martin. That sounds like the solution to eliminating LOG files  ! from the RSH service at our site.   4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 08:11:03 +0200   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: Hangs on HSZ70 + Message-ID: <VA.00000061.04d784d1@sture.ch>   E In article <8gj6tb$pfb$1@hbunn2.ha.uk.sbphrd.com>, Mike Shield wrote:     > Paul,  >  > In answer to your question,  > ' > On a hsz70, quoting the config manual  > F >     When the controller is unconfigured and the StorageWorks commandI >     console (SWCC) is to be used to configure the controller, a virtual C >     LUN(Command Console LUN;CCL) needs to be established. Setting K >     a CCL allows the SWCC to communicate with the controller (the default  >     is no CCL).  > J >     Establish a CCL by using the SET this_controller COMMAND_CONSOLE_LUNH >     CLI command. See the HSZ70 Array Controller HSOF 7.3 CLI Reference > Manual >     for details.  O Thanks. The fine HSOF manual I have on my desk is 7.0, so I'd better dig out a   later version. > J > The CCL  is then supposed to float at the top of you defined disk range,* > which does mean that it can move/change. > M Somewhere in my travels I found that f$getdvi does return a device attribute  L so you can identify the CCL. I'll dig the code out and post it, when I have  time.  > ! > Paul Sture wrote in message ... H > >In article <8gdi9p$p5k$1@hbunn2.ha.uk.sbphrd.com>, Mike Shield wrote:3 > >> From: "Mike Shield" <Mike_Shield-1@sbphrd.com>  > >> Newsgroups: comp.os.vms  > >> Subject: Re: Hangs on HSZ70* > >> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 10:16:07 +0100 > >>
 > >> Guys, > >>J > >> There will be no problems as long as you use the CCL (Command Console > Lun)H > >> as the address for the set host/scsi, which is what I think SWCC is > using.J > >> We have SWCC running on 4 platforms, including VMS 7.1 , and it works > quite 
 > >> well. > >>M > >> If you haven't defined a CCL, then it may be best to go read up about it  > and 
 > >> add one.  > >>I > >Read up about it where? IIRC, the documentation is very sparse on this  > >subject.  > > N > >To other thread participants: I had a big problem with SWCC recently, whereI > >the agent was clocking up some 800,000 i/os a day (and we were getting J > >hardware errors too). It confused the heck out of the hardware guys, as > they) > >often couldn't connect to controllers.  > > K > >I solved it by scrapping SWCC. The eventual outcome was that CSC told me  > thatF > >there was a new version of SWCC out. However, when I checked on the
 > website,1 > >the SPD still referred to the version I had...  > > L > And though I may be wrong here, this looks like the results of setting theK > polling interval to something like a second in the VMS setup. The default E > value of 30 secs or more would certainly reduce the i/o count here.  > I Polling interval? I don't know about that, but SWCC was running fine for  K several months (September to March) and then suddenly started clocking all  O these I/Os. This was on one standalone machine and on a 2 node cluster. Except  N for the fact that the standalone system was used extensively for Y2K testing, F without problems, I might have suspected something to do with dates... ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 28 May 2000 17:03:57 GMT6 From: DAVISM@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael T. Davis), Subject: HLL (or DCL) ADMIN SEND equivalent?: Message-ID: <8grjht$837$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  F 	Is there some other means to sending a message to a PC which would beL handled by its WinPopup/Messenger service from a VMS system running Advanced  Server, besides ADMINISTER SEND?   Thanks,   Mike  --K              Michael T. Davis              |    Systems Specialist: ChE,MSE N   E-mail: davism@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu    | Departmental Networking/ComputingJ            -or- DAVISM+@osu.edu            |     The Ohio State UniversityJ http://www.er6.eng.ohio-state.edu/~davism/ |     197 Watts, (614) 292-6928   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 12:41:10 -0500 ) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> 0 Subject: Re: HLL (or DCL) ADMIN SEND equivalent?7 Message-ID: <05e901bfc8cb$ea3cc270$020a0a0a@xile.realm>   = Michael T. Davis <DAVISM@er6.eng.ohio-state.education> wrote:   G > Is there some other means to sending a message to a PC which would be E > handled by its WinPopup/Messenger service from a VMS system running  Advanced" > Server, besides ADMINISTER SEND?  L Use SMBCLIENT from the SAMBA-VMS distribution.  Use Control-Z instead of the Control-D that it prompts for.  " Samba for OpenVMS can be found at:  6 http://ifn03.ifn.ing.tu-bs.de/ifn/sonst/samba-vms.html  L SMBCLIENT should work with or with out Pathworks or Advanced Server on a VMS system.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 08:11:04 +0200   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>? Subject: Re: How to export contents of RMS file to .csv format? + Message-ID: <VA.00000062.04d788b5@sture.ch>   E In article <392C91D5.C009F3B0@nc.prestige.net>, Michael Austin wrote: 0 > From: Michael Austin <maustin@nc.prestige.net> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms A > Subject: Re: How to export contents of RMS file to .csv format? ' > Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 22:37:09 -0400  > O > and if you don't have/want perl, DCL will do it just as easy... (this example P > depends entirely on data content... do any of the fields contain a comma  likeM > "Austin, Mike"...then reading it into some other app will be interesting...  > $ > $open/read ifile inputfilename.dat& > $open/write ofile outputfilename.csv > $loop: > $read/end=end ifile rec " > $field1 = f$extract(0,end-1,rec) > .. > .. > ..# > $fieldn = f$extrac(start,end,rec)  > $c  = "," ! > $outrec = field1+c+field2+c....  > $write outfile outrec  > $goto loop > $end:  > $close ifile > $close ofile > 1 I hate to nitpick, but the above code would give:    abc","def",...  ! (With the leading quote missing.)   O In most CSV files I have seen, text fields are surrounded by quotes (commas in  K address fields don't give problems), but numeric fields are unquoted. This  O convention provides a neat way of telling the importing software (spreadsheet,  C database, whatever) of which fields are numeric and which are text.   K Can cause problems for those countries who use "decimal point is comma" of   course.  ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 15:28:32 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> ? Subject: Re: How to export contents of RMS file to .csv format? ) Message-ID: <39311F00.83C9031B@gtech.com>    Paul Sture wrote: P > In most CSV files I have seen, text fields are surrounded by quotes (commas inL > address fields don't give problems), but numeric fields are unquoted. ThisP > convention provides a neat way of telling the importing software (spreadsheet,E > database, whatever) of which fields are numeric and which are text.  > L > Can cause problems for those countries who use "decimal point is comma" of	 > course.   E I have been working with data import/export for many years, and based H on that I alwasy prefer #xxx#;#xxx#;#xxx# instead of "xxx","xxx","xxx" !   Much less risk of problems.   C (it is ofcourse debatable if COMMA-seperated is a good term then !)    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 01:48:17 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>; Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies - Message-ID: <3930B321.B837200D@tsoft-inc.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Paul Sture wrote: V > > PS If you feel "stuck" in Montreal, just look at the OpenVMS site and see how manyD > > stock exchanges around the world may be able to use your skills. > I > Spoke with one of the few remaining large VMS shops in Montreal and the M > sentiment was: "VMS doesn't need many people, and the folks tend to stay at 2 > their jobs for long" (I.e. rarely any openings). > B > Whereas in the PC world, there are opening after every disaster.  ; See!  Doesn't that show that peecees are 'people friendly'?   P Guess you have to be one of the new people though.  Guess they just play musical jobs.    Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 08:11:03 +0200   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>; Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies + Message-ID: <VA.00000060.04d781ae@sture.ch>   C In article <392B752A.34DEF6BC@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble wrote: ' > Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 02:22:34 -0400 , > From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms = > Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Windows NT Integration for Dummies  >  > JF Mezei wrote:  > >  > > Paul Sture wrote: T > > > Paul Sture (whose 2 non-IT brothers sat me down 2 years ago and lectured me onP > > > taking a wrong career move by not going for an MSCE and sticking with MS). > > O > > Yep. Stuck in that one-way-VMS-street going nowhere in Montreal. Those most 5 > > loyal to VMS are the ones that are the worse off.  > N > Who's worse off?  Certainly not me!  Plenty of work, sometimes too much, and > avoid MS most of the time. > E > There still VMS shops, just not in some places where it used to be.  > U Agreed. I'm in a position to "go NT" if I want to. I choose not to, at least for the  T present. In fact I had an NT guy probing me yesterday about my future, and what his I company is doing is quite exciting (he is an ex-VMS Engineering guy BTW).   U If anything I would like to  see myself as doing a bit of both - bringing discipline  Q and "old fashioned ideas" to the point and click world, and new ideas to the VMS   world... ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 15:43:57 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> 3 Subject: Re: OpenVMS vs Tru64 Pathworks performance ) Message-ID: <3931229D.2349BC38@gtech.com>   $ Mark Iline - Info-VAX account wrote:D > I'm not asking why this is - I know this isn't a trivial question.  
 Many reasons: D   - VMS systems usually do much less caching than Unix & Win systemsC     and it costs performance (but you are happy for it if the power      goes !) 7   - the translation between the VMS file system and the B     PC file system do create overhead (remember how a PCSA 3.x/4.x?     server disk services performed compared with file services) >   - PathWorks is a port of some software/protocols designed to?     run on another platform - no surpise that it is not optimalZ/   - often VMS IP stacks are performaing optimal B   - often VMS system are doing many other tasks while a Win system     usually is dedicated>   - very often people compare a 10 year old VAX with a 1 month     old Unix / Win systemf   Arne   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 08:26:31 -0600 (MDT)w) From: John Nebel <nebel@athena.csdco.com>w3 Subject: Re: OpenVMS vs Tru64 Pathworks performanceoG Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0005270719110.32143-100000@athena.csdco.com>G   Mark,d  G A year or so back, I tested VMS 7.1 (PW 6.0x) vs DU4.0d (ASU 4.1), eachmB running on 8400's with HSZ70's with write back caching.  PW's readI speed was about half the bandwidth of either FDDI or fast ethernet (triedrG both - ie 9.5 mb/sec) for DU and a couple to a few times worse for VMS.-G The limiting factor in the DU case was probably the PC.  Everything wasa: the default configuration except for the write-back cache.  J The conclusion was to use PW on Unix for general PC applications and PW onH VMS for the considerable convenience of users being able to see the same files on their PC as on VMS.  D The below from Larry Bohan indicates how improvements might be made.  
 John Nebel  7 From LBohan@DBC.SPAM_LESS..COM Sat May 27 07:18:46 2000i% Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 00:18:02 -0700t5 From: "Larry D Bohan, Jr" <LBohan@DBC.SPAM_LESS..COM> * Reply-To: Digital's Pathworks Product List(     <LANWORKS@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>& To: LANWORKS@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDUB Subject: Re: Advanced Server and OpenVMS vs. Windows TCP/IP stacks  0 I found I was able to FTP a 30502 kb file btw NT8 and TCPIP V5.0A  at, or close to wire speeds (10 mb net)4 (in both directions) if the NT was tweaked for large
 window sizes.g  & Similarly, the same file copied from a$ PW/AdvancedServer V7.2  *to* NTwould. also go at near wire speeds.  (>9.9-10.2 mb/s)  , The odd man out was, copying *from* an NT to- a PW/ AdvServer;  which I could get no highert than about 7.4 mb/se  2 http://www.psc.edu/networking/perf_tune.html#WinNT3  Enabling High Performance Data Transfers on Hosts:l  ' http://moat.nlanr.net/Software/TCPtune/   A TCP stack tuner for Windows  , http://www.ganymede.com/support/maxthrpt.htm)  Maximizing Throughput Over Fast Ethernett     Using TCP/IP and Windows NT3  > ....h  F >HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\Parameters    >A  > Go to Edit, Add value, and add "TcpWindowSize" as a REG_DWORD.u&  > The maximum value available is 64K.  >?  > Matching the TcpWindow Size to the underlying MTU size minusbA  > the IP header will improve efficiency. This means multiples of =  > 1460, 1457, or 1452, depending on Ethernet implementation.a  >F  > Curiously, 40 times 1460 (i.e. 58,400) seemed to be the best value.  9 On Fri, 26 May 2000, Mark Iline - Info-VAX account wrote:6  K > Has anyone know of any performance figure comparing Pathworks on OpenVMS 8M > against Pathworks on Tru64 (on comparable hardware) ? A comparison against e3 > NT Advanced Server on Intel would be interesting.S > ? > I'm aware that measuring performance peoperly is not trivial.a > L > I currently seem to be seeing a well-specified OpenVMS dual processor DS20L > being significantly slower at serving files to PC clients than a bog-stockJ > Proliant 1600, which is significantly slower than a PW500au running PW &	 > Tru64. p > L > I'm not asking why this is - I know this isn't a trivial question. What I J > would like to know is whether the Pathworks on OpenVMS product performs L > significantly worse than its Tru64 counterpart in a comparable situation. 8 > That information will help me decide where to go next. > N > [I'm being beaten up to ditch VMS for Tru64 on the DS20 on the basis of the 4 > lacklustre performance. Which I'd rather not do... > J > Just for interest, copying a 10 Mbyte file from an RA3000 (it's totally L > cached in the RA cache - I'm watching the indicators) on the DS20 to a PC F > client takes ~6 seconds. Interestingly, we get up to about 150% CPU < > utilisation during that time - Interrupt & Kernel mostly.] >  >  > Mark > " > Mark Iline	system@meng.ucl.ac.uk/ > Dept Mech Eng, University College, London. UKo >  > 			Read at your own risk.G >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 01:48:16 -0500t) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>-> Subject: Re: problem linking to ucx$ipc.olb on AXP/VMX71-UCX40/ Message-ID: <sj1fu4ls5pj152@corp.supernews.com>   1 Lorraine Profeta RR <lprofeta@houston.rr.company>lA wrote in message news:gV1Y4.916$Gh.45498@typhoon.austin.rr.com...tF > I don't have the original posting in front of me, but I think it wasE > Multinet; not TCPIP.  Multinet still uses ucx$lib.olb (thought they I > recommend you use the shareable library, instead).  Previous to OpenVMSe 6.2tG > (maybe 6.2) the library was ucx$ipc.olb, and therein was the poster's L > confusion.  I have 7.1-2 at work and it still came with UCX; my version of > 7.2-1 has TCPIP on it.  C Unless you specify some really strange compile and linking options, / ucx$lib.olb is only used with VAX C, not DEC C.-  K With the DEC C RTL, the socket calls are built into the library as wrappersuH and it dynamically pulls in the UCX$IPC_SHARE image if needed to execute them.i   Bottom line:  L If using DEC C, do not link in VAXC*.OLB, or UCX*.OLB unless you really know3 what you are doing and understand the consequences.R  I It does not matter if you are on VAX or ALPHA platforms.  And it does nottE matter what version of OpenVMS, or what TCP/IP stack you are running.-    + >               Do you really work for DEC?)  G I do not.  I also do not work for Compaq, or any company that they have  aquired.  2 Some others on this news group do work for Compaq.   -John- wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 08:11:07 +0200   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>+ Subject: Re: RMS tuning versus file cachingz+ Message-ID: <VA.00000066.04d79390@sture.ch>n  @ In article <8gmo3k$nq8@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, David Mathog wrote: > L > And this results in, as far as I can tell, each file write going straight # > to disk.  If the process issues at >  > $ set rms/buffer=100 > K > that will increase write performance (it doesn't seem to do anything for  I > read though).  But any use of buffers decreases data integrity, right? C > So is this correct?o >nD As long as you are doing sequential reads, it does help there, by a G considerable margin. I've used it in the past to achieve some stunning ,P performance improvements (on VAXes - I haven't really tried on newer hardware).  And on indexed files too.d  O Here I am talking single user, reading up a complete file, or a sizeable chunk lO of it. For random access programs or just a few records, you do not want this.  = Beware insufficient dynamic memory errors! (also look at set  A process/(no)resource_wait). The buffers come from non-paged pool.b   > L > Anyway, by futzing around with the RMS parameters I have been able to makeK > at least one program (TFASTA3, which scans a protein sequentially against N > a 9 Mb DNA database file) run as fast on OpenVMS as it does on Linux/Alpha. F > If I don't change the RMS parameters it runs exactly half as fast onG > OpenVMS.  That sort of fine tuning shows that equivalent performance  I > usually be had, but I sure wish there was a global knob I could turn to M > make that the default, rather than having to muck around on a file by file,t > process by process basis.  >iO As ever, VMS provides defaults which are suitable for a large cross section of iO uses. If you want a particular program to sing, you apply the mods to that one IM program. You most certainly don't want 100 x 16 block buffers for all files,  - multiplied by the number of concurrent users.r  J Also, don't forget to spread your load across disk spindles where you can. ___t
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See if it works 2 better than your command with all the other stuff.  : 3. $ backup/image/ignore=interlock dsa0: mka500:system.img     $ mount/for $1$dia50: +     $ backup/image mka500:/rewind $1$dia50:t  ( See if channel bandwidth is getting you.  C 4. Check on ftp.service.digital.com to see if there are patches foreA your particular version of BACKUP. There were a number of patcheslA posted recently for BACKUP problems. What you're experiencing may " already have been found and fixed.  
 Mike Drabickyn   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 07:24:06 -0600 (MDT) ) From: John Nebel <nebel@ATHENA.CSDCO.COM> 6 Subject: Re: VAX VMS 7.2 Bug? ; backup/image/(no)aliasF Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0005280719020.2752-100000@athena.csdco.com>   Tim,   The VMS 7.2 manual says:  E "Specifying the /IMAGE qualifier without also specifying /NOALIAS cannD result in incomplete disk or file restoration operations. Therefore,E Compaq strongly recommends that you specify /NOALIAS with /IMAGE when ) performing image mode backup operations."u  
 John Nebel       In comp.os.vms you write:o   >Neil Rieck wrote: >> v >> Saturday (00.05.27) update: >> VG >> On OpenVMS 7.2 for VAX (including the UPDATE patch) I just tried thecL >> following two hot backups of my system disk and they both produce missingK >> files (e.g.. WRITEBOOT.EXE is missing from both operations). Does anyonel >> have any suggestions? >> x >> <<< method #1 >>> >> c >> $mount/foreign $1$dia50:  >> $backup/image/NOalias    -  >>     /init    -r( >>     /ignore=(interlock,nobackup)    - >>     /journal=neil.bjl    -a >>     dsa0:    -e >>     $1$dia50: >>   >> <<< method #2 >>> >> o >> $mount/foreign $1$dia50:c >> $backup/image/noalias    -f >>     /init    -o( >>     /ignore=(interlock,nobackup)    - >>     /journal=neil.bjl    -  >>     dsa0:    -  >>     $1$dia50:  : >Do you *really* want to combine "/IMAGE" with "/NOALIAS"?  B >"/NOALIAS" says to explicitly ignore alias directory entries, and< >this sounds exactly like what you're seeing.  WRITEBOOT.EXED >lives in multiple directories, at least in a clustered environment,D >with the alias being in the [SYS*.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE] for the machine? >you're actually trying to boot, while the "real" file lives ins >[VMS$COMMON.SYSEXE].0  ? >I would have thought that /IMAGE would have been disallowed in B >combination with /NOALIAS, but maybe there's some situation whereA >it really is useful to use both.  (I can't think of it though, IeC >thought the purpose of /IMAGE was always to make sure that aliasedr  >files remain properly aliased.)   >-- C > Tim Shoppa                        Email: shoppa@trailing-edge.comwH > Trailing Edge Technology          WWW:   http://www.trailing-edge.com/7 > 7328 Bradley Blvd                 Voice: 301-767-5917 7 > Bethesda, MD, USA 20817           Fax:   301-767-5927o   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 08:11:02 +0200P  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?+ Message-ID: <VA.0000005f.04d77d6f@sture.ch>@  H In article <hshubs-08C214.06240525052000@news.mindspring.com>, Howard S  Shubs wrote:  L? > In article <392CAC94.66D2AD16@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble ' > <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote: > ( > >It also allows 4 sessions to be used. > ) > That's why I'm willing to be convinced.n > 7 My main likes of the VT520 (4 years ago) over the rest:   ) 2 alarms per day (lunch and go home time)C
 cut and pasteo( calculator (IIRC with cut and paste too) multiple sessionsh  H Also, VT's are much more suitable for factory floor work. We had enough H troubles until we disabled the setup key - just think what problems PCs @ would have given. We are talking about "gorillas" here. Boring, F repetitive, highly paid but high pressure, burnt out by the age of 35 
 type of work.p  H The accounting utility made for interesting reading, with failed logins 0 showing usernames such as "Billy is a "*#%&/()".  # Yes, VTs were, ahem, appropriate...o ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerlandu   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 12:05:05 -0400C, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>  Subject: Re: VMS on the desktop?> Message-ID: <hshubs-1F1734.12050528052000@news.mindspring.com>  @ In article <VA.0000005f.04d77d6f@sture.ch>, paul@sture.ch wrote:  * >2 alarms per day (lunch and go home time) >cut and paste) >calculator (IIRC with cut and paste too)v >multiple sessions  : Yeah, it's like it has Sidekick (remember that?) built-in.  F I've seen the specifications for the VT500 series.  It's very full 4" 
 binder, IIRC.    --   Howard S Shubs, the Denim Adept    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 15:37:13 +0200o= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>n- Subject: Re: Which is the language of VAX/VMS ) Message-ID: <39312108.2B68800F@gtech.com>r   John Manning wrote:rL > The older versions of VAX VMS were written in Bliss.  The Alpha version isG > now all C(I think) and most of the OpenVMS VAX 7.2 code is C as well.f   ????   That is not quite true.P  ? Bliss is used in both VMS VAX and VMS Alpha. Together with many 8 other languages (including Macro-32). In the later years$ much C code has probbaly sneaked in.  : BTW, there is a section VMS8 in the VMS FAQ covering this.   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 16:45:35 GMTu% From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@dialupnet.com>n" Subject: Re: Wildfire Announcement8 Message-ID: <71j2jss6gosnvk74j1444b9l8n56hirnhj@4ax.com>  E On Tue, 23 May 2000 10:05:19 +0100, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyn! <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:      >f6 >Who cares how many CPU's Fujitsu used to get a better9 >number than Compaq for 2 tier SAP. I bet that many CTO'si9 >of major corporates would be very pushed to tell you howt5 >many CPU's their S390's or E10K's have in them, they C >don't care. The fact is Fujitsu can sustain a higher SD throughput < >than a GS320 and provided the price is right and they don't2 >cost more to own then nobody cares how many CPU's >there are in the box.  F Now you're really losing credibility Andrew.  I can't count the numberF of times you've railed against VMSclusters of systems providing betterE performance at the same cost of a single Sun system.  If the standardsA is price/performance, which you seem to say here, then almost any @ configuration would be comparative in this, INCLUDING VMScluster systems.      1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaq - (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)$   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 09:18:00 +0200.  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>/ Subject: Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"n+ Message-ID: <VA.0000006d.0514d216@sture.ch>2  D In article <8gl6td$5rd$2@info.service.rug.nl>, Phillip Helbig wrote:, > From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmss1 > Subject: Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"-  > Date: 26 May 2000 06:51:25 GMT > 9 > In article <392D1C88.93489E6D@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellynl$ > <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:  > H > >> Despite my love for VMS, I DO have other standards when it comes to= > >> wives.  :-)  Well, maybe not---24x365 sounds fine by me!g > >u9 > >When do you get to play with your VAXen then, Phillip?r > * > No need---they stay up maintenance-free! > D > >> By the way, I'm in the process of getting divorced.  Anyone whoM > >> introduces me to the right woman wins a VAX!  How's THAT for motivation.  > >o > >What, not an alpha? >  > If she's REALLY good!e >h> Well, if we are up to an Alpha, I propose the following model:  F Esmeralda (29). Compact model, better than a VAX (vacuum variety) for J cleaning. Irons and washes up too. Primary language Portuguese, secondary L language Swiss German (from Bern - I can't understand much of it, maybe you  can do better). Made in Brazil.v  I Resourceful - this model has been known to climb over roofs when locking wL itself out (and there's a story in itself!). Excellent laughter and dancing G modules. Put itself to bed and leave me watching TV or surfing module. dK "Honesty with cash" (gasp!) and "excellent shopping bargains" modules also g included. Economical to run.  M Colour: Tan (no expensive holidays in the sun required) with dark curly hair   and big brown eyes..  K Known problems and restrictions: Keeps repeating the "v" word. Ver, verhei,(M verheir, verheiraten - ooh managed to spit it out finally (German for marry, oN for those who don't speak the lingo). Starts bashing pots and pans at 6:00 in $ the morning. No other known defects.  2 Aaarrrggghhh, do I really want an Alpha that much?  L (Esmeralda is fortunately computer illiterate and has not much English so I  think I'm safe posting this :))o  ) Duck ... Thwack... (Just kidding dear...)o ___i
 Paul Sture Switzerlanda   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 12:02:24 -0400n, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>/ Subject: Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"A> Message-ID: <hshubs-838983.12022428052000@news.mindspring.com>  @ In article <VA.0000006d.0514d216@sture.ch>, paul@sture.ch wrote:  3 >Aaarrrggghhh, do I really want an Alpha that much?    An Alpha-female?  K >(Esmeralda is fortunately computer illiterate and has not much English so d >I    >think I'm safe posting this :))   She might surprise you.  <grin>e   -- l Howard S Shubs, the Denim Adept    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.297 ************************