1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 29 May 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 299       Contents:, Re: AlphaStation 200 firmware update problem Re: Capellas supports Microsoft  Re: Capellas supports Microsoft  Re: Capellas supports Microsoft  CCagent.. command recall  ... Preloading the Read buffer Re: Comments on ABS v3.0 Compaq BASIC, Re: Compaq not as bad as Andrew says (wish?), Re: Compaq not as bad as Andrew says (wish?), Re: Compaq not as bad as Andrew says (wish?) Compiling c++ on VMS	 DAP error  Re: DecServer 700 "boot up"  Re: DecServer 700 "boot up" 0 Re: Disabling INTERRUPT and EXIT messages in DCL0 Re: Disabling INTERRUPT and EXIT messages in DCL Re: ES40 Configuration General discussion comment Hi All' Re: HLL (or DCL) ADMIN SEND equivalent? ' Re: HLL (or DCL) ADMIN SEND equivalent? 6 Re: How to export contents of RMS file to .csv format? internet mail under VMS  Re: Jabber on OpenVMS?" Re: Looking for PW API information" Re: Looking for PW API information" Re: Looking for PW API information" Re: Looking for PW API information" Re: Looking for PW API information" Re: Looking for PW API information" Re: Looking for PW API information Physical memory usage  Re: Physical memory usage * Re: RMS handling of extremely long records Re: Setting password SF36 documentation- Re: VAX VMS 7.2 Bug? ; backup/image/(no)alias - Re: VAX VMS 7.2 Bug? ; backup/image/(no)alias - Re: VAX VMS 7.2 Bug? ; backup/image/(no)alias ( ver 7.1 Openvms will run on the new Ds20, RE: ver 7.1 Openvms will run on the new Ds20 RE: Wildfire Announcement ( Re: Wildfire memory and installed images [DOCUMENTATION]: Help me ? Re: [DOCUMENTATION]: Help me ?& Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"& RE: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 29 May 2000 08:29:06 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.044962.killspam.0138 (Wayne Sewell) 5 Subject: Re: AlphaStation 200 firmware update problem . Message-ID: <DrTXLp8PbXcS@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  R In article <Fv3swp.AKE@spcuna.spc.edu>, Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> writes:% > Shane.F.Smith@healthnet.com writes: K >> I use the supplimentary menu's "update firmware" option, the screen goes G >> flat BSOD blue with a message at the top saying it's looking for the J >> firmware update on CD ROM and floppy. After maybe a minute or two, evenN >> that text disappears and the screen is solid BSOD blue. The floppy does getL >> accessed during this time. A little while later, the screen goes black asM >> if there's no video signal (although the LED on the monitor stays green as M >> if there is a signal), the keyboard lights flash a little, and the machine L >> goes completely unresponsive. The only indications it's turned on are the, >> light on the front, and the fan whirring. > O >   Try hooking up a terminal (or emulator) to the serial port. I've seen cases N > where the SRM firmware behaves as if someone said "set console serial". NoteO > that the updater actually executes the new firmware from RAM (since you can't O > erase the flash while running from it) so the act of booting the firmware up- 6 > date disk actually has you running the new firmware.    O My experience was exactly the opposite.  I could *not* update the firmware from O a serial terminal, even though the console was set to serial.  I couldn't do it P at all until I scrounged up a graphics monitor and directly-connected keyboard. J And this was when updating SRM.  Didn't start happening until the firmware released with 7.2 and later.   Wayne  --  O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== C Jake Blues: "Sell me your children!  How much for the little girl?"    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:17:53 +0100   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com( Subject: Re: Capellas supports Microsoft> Message-ID: <802568EB.0054181F.00@qedilc01.qedi.quintiles.com>   Terry Shannon wrote:O >>>Yeah, maybe. But Capellas can run a spreadsheet just as well as anyone else. L Gawd knows that the margins don't come from consumer PCs or the still-losing0 (albeit not for much longer) commercial PC unit.  , NSK, OVMS, and Tru64 deliver the margins.<<<  < So if it's "not for much longer", does this mean that CompaqP - are going to sell the PC division to someone (like Dell or IBM - let's say IBM' cos their machines are too pricey), and 5 - are going to concentrate on NSK, Tru64 and VMS, and O - are going to rename themselves as a company making Digital Equipment (because @ we all know that IBM are the only ones that make real computers)  ) and we'll all think we're in a time warp!    :-))   Steve.   ------------------------------   Date: 29 May 2000 13:20:14 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)( Subject: Re: Capellas supports Microsoft. Message-ID: <8gtqqe$8fk$1@info.service.rug.nl>  5 In article <392ECB5A.50A6B70F@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei ' <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:    K >For instance, because of Microsoft, one cannot have a "cgi.com" in an http D >request because even though the server specifies the response to beO >"text/html", Microsoft assumes that because the URL contains ".com", it *must*  >be a windows executable.   F Sure you can.  The clueless folks using IE will get what they deserve.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 11:26:53 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>( Subject: Re: Capellas supports Microsoft- Message-ID: <39328C3D.E369027E@tsoft-inc.com>    Phillip Helbig wrote:  > 7 > In article <392ECB5A.50A6B70F@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei ( > <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > M > >For instance, because of Microsoft, one cannot have a "cgi.com" in an http F > >request because even though the server specifies the response to beQ > >"text/html", Microsoft assumes that because the URL contains ".com", it *must*  > >be a windows executable.  > H > Sure you can.  The clueless folks using IE will get what they deserve.  N Well, for someone who knows better, maybe.  But for the clueless user who justO bought his first peecee the day before, and uses the software provided with the M system, and gets bit by some malignant e-mail attachment, I'd say that he was N sold a lemon.  Not everybody that goes to buy a car is a master mechanic.  NotO everybody that buys an airline ticket is an ATP rated pilot, or an aeronautical N engineer.  Unfortunately, microsoft doesn't perform up to the standards of the# people who make cars and airplanes.   K There was a retort by an auto executive to one of billy-boy's comments some % years back.  It was very appropriate.   E I don't think the casual peecee user deserves his fate.  They've been P brainwashed by the wintel cartel that all computer problems are fixed by pushingM the reset button.  If you're not aware of systems where this is abnormal, how $ can you expect better from a peecee?   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 09:26:56 +0200 $ From: "Elmar Dam" <elmar@casema.net> Subject: CCagent. ( Message-ID: <8gt642$5rc$1@popeye.eur.nl>  0 In UCX ive got a dervice running called CCagent,+ but i have no idea what this does, anybody?  its runnning on port 4997    regards, Elmar.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 16:56:14 GMT , From: "mrsignor" <mrsignor@bellatlantic.net>7 Subject: command recall  ... Preloading the Read buffer 7 Message-ID: <OixY4.7196$F22.300041@typhoon1.ba-dsg.net>   E I am working with the terminal i/o function modifiers and want to add A text-data to the existing input stream when the user presses a PF < function key. I believe i need to use TRM$_INIOFFSET, anyone have an example ?       Basically, the user has a prompt   prompt>    they type "show"   prompt> show   then they press the PF3 key,   prompt> show <pf3>  F Which translates to the keyword "commlink". To the user they would see   prompt> show commlink   2 with the input beginning just after the "commlink"    D Since PF3 does NOT (in this example) terminate the read, there is noI need to position the cursor back to the beginning, and in turn re-display B the prompt, the existing buffer, as well as the appended text-dataB "commlink".  Instead, i believe i should simply setup the pre-load< read buffer, using TRM$_INISTRNG, and then specify an offset with TRM$_INIOFFSET.  5 I can get the pre-loading to work, but NOT the offset   $ Any comments / thoughts / examples ?   TIA    -Fred    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 15:32:00 +0200 % From: Neville Brown <rat@bigpond.com> ! Subject: Re: Comments on ABS v3.0 + Message-ID: <39327150.61836491@bigpond.com>   ( Since Mr Sture has put twopenneth in :-)  H IMHO ABS is a lot like any number of other ex-DEC products.  "the marketE says we have to do this!" and so a good product gets transformed into F something else.  SLS was a dog (in many cases with fleas) but at leastF it worked, and since it was DCL in many places, if you didn't like it,H you just changed it.  I have not worked with Tapesys, but I would expect< it to be good (since it was the original code base for SLS).   All opinions mine of course...  
 Neville Brown    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 10:59:34 GMT ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Compaq BASIC 8 Message-ID: <q4sY4.6858$WV.334690@news20.bellglobal.com>   FYI,  D If you use either VAX-BASIC or DEC-BASIC (Alpha), both the "Language@ Reference Manual" as well as the "User Manual" are now online at@ http://www.openvms.digital.com/commercial/basic/basic_index.html  
 Neil Rieck* Kitchener(New Berlin?)/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 13:28:16 GMT 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: Compaq not as bad as Andrew says (wish?) + Message-ID: <TcaPPbB7kI$g@eisner.decus.org>   R In article <8gspck$pr3$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes:  N > Until hardware RAID (especially including copious amounts of stable cache inK > a no-single-point-of-failure dual configuration) prices come *'way* down, H > systems that ensure file system integrity while optionally trading offI > up-to-the-second persistence for overall better performance will remain L > popular for applications that demand no stronger guarantees.  This may notL > make a great deal of sense, given how completely the cost of operating andJ > managing systems dwarfs the cost of purchasing them, but up-front systemN > price shows little indication of becoming irrelevant in typical environments > in spite of this.   G Organizational voodoo dictates in many cases that capital and personnel D expenditures come from separate buckets.  Thus it makes sense on theB micro scale (following company procedure so the individual managerF can advance) but not on the macro scale (good of the company overall).   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 13:34:57 GMT 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: Compaq not as bad as Andrew says (wish?) + Message-ID: <V9YzKyTjVN7m@eisner.decus.org>   X In article <9KXPQRWOgGLU@eisner.decus.org>, young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes:[ > In article <3931BF74.790D37A2@usfamily.net>, Keith Brown <kbrown780@usfamily.net> writes:  >  >>  = >> At my shop we can't seem to find good Unix people, we have A >> looked for years. I can't say the same for VMS.  I'm sure will C >> respond that we must not offer enough $ but we do offer what the  >> VMS guys get. >>   > = > 	VMS folks are hard to find but I also know Unix admins are @ > 	very difficult to find also.  I know two contractors that areH > 	in at a decent sized shop (multiple IBM RS/6000 S80s) and management G > 	would prefer full-time sysadmins but can't find them.  A lot of that B > 	going around.  Want to flush admins out of the weeds regardless# > 	of platform?  Contract for them.  > A > 	Could they get full-time sysadmins?  Sure.  Unfortunately, the = > 	salary that requires puts their sysadmins pay higher than  > > 	management/directors.  That can't happen or you get unhappyB > 	directors/management, so the only way out of the catch-22 is to- > 	hire contractors and hide the cost in POs.   D So we have the free market economy in action, scarcity/demand drivesE prices, etc. Some directors/management are psychologically  unwilling F to accept this, since they thought _they_ were supposed to be the onesC in demand. But the company they represent pays the prevailing price  anyway, or does without.  # Life is tough when techies prevail.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 09:21:42 -0700 3 From: Goku <peter.mauroNOpeSPAM@cwo.com.au.invalid> 5 Subject: Re: Compaq not as bad as Andrew says (wish?) 9 Message-ID: <1f4ef47f.cf7c9017@usw-ex0107-049.remarq.com>    Hey guys  ( I do infact work as a VMS op for compaq.@ They aren't getting rid of this but just not extending  with new
 companies.   Thanks    L * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *G The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 10:12:56 -0500 ) From: Jeffrey Ric <jmrich@csc.tntech.edu>  Subject: Compiling c++ on VMS . Message-ID: <393288F8.7528853B@csc.tntech.edu>  F Is it possible to compile a c++ program using either VAX cc, DEC cc orB gcc.  I tried to use gcc and the plus_plus option.  I got an errorC message saying that the executable wasn't found.  I did not see any G documentation on c++ source on the other compilers.  Thanks in advance.    Jeffrey    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 09:39:52 GMT  From: f_novelli@my-deja.com  Subject: DAP error) Message-ID: <8gtdt9$s3h$1@nnrp2.deja.com>   ( Trying to copy some files from a PC with1 PATHWORKS to a microVAX machine via DECNET, using  nft, I get the error: 2 Error opening file: node"account pwd"::remote_path0 Because DAP error reported by remote node xx/xxx1 On the remote host a file of 0 blocks is created. & Anyone can help me solve this problem?
 Best regards,    Francesco Novelli  Elsag S.p.A. f.novelli@iol.it    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 05:24:25 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>$ Subject: Re: DecServer 700 "boot up"' Message-ID: <FvB30q.7F4@spcuna.spc.edu>   0 Stephen McElduff <smmsmm@mindspring.com> writes:I > I have recently upgraded a VAX from OpenVMS 6.1 to 7.2. We recently had H > a power failure and now seem unable to have a DecServer 700 boot up. IJ > suspect this has something to do with the fact that I never gave the new> > OS any knowledge of the existence of the t/s on the network.  J   When you installed V7.2, did you select "DECnet-Plus" or "DECnet IV"? IfG you selected -Plus, you need to enable MOP downloading (apparently this ; config info isn't copied into -Plus on an upgrade from IV).   K   Unfortunately, I can't give you details about configuring -Plus for MOP - J I don't use it. But this hint should point you to the right manuals to get
 you going.  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com 5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 12:52:40 +0000 - From: ezzaoudi med <m.ezzaoudi@digitem.co.ma> $ Subject: Re: DecServer 700 "boot up"- Message-ID: <39326818.25DE98D6@digitem.co.ma>   B For enabling MOP on Decnet Phase V , you must enter this command :& $@SYS$MANAGER:NET$CONFIGURE   ADVANCED   Use the menu for enabling MOP.  F When the MOP protocol is used for downloading Decservers , you don't = needF to configure anything. You must only be sure that the download image = ????.sys" is locating in MOM$LOAD directory.  D If you want to manage the Decserver with remote connexion , you must: 1- add it as Decnet node with $ mc DECNET_REGISTER and use<     menu for Adding (ex : node name (SERV1) address (1.33)).B 2- Add it as Mop client with @SYS$MANAGER:NET$CONFIGURE   ADVANCED     and use the menu.nB 3- Connect to the decserver with : $ Set host/mop SERV1  ( SERV1 = =3D Decnet nodeo name)t   Bye    Terry Kennedy a =E9crit :l  2 > Stephen McElduff <smmsmm@mindspring.com> writes:F > > I have recently upgraded a VAX from OpenVMS 6.1 to 7.2. We recent= ly hadF > > a power failure and now seem unable to have a DecServer 700 boot = up. IeF > > suspect this has something to do with the fact that I never gave = the newL@ > > OS any knowledge of the existence of the t/s on the network. > F >   When you installed V7.2, did you select "DECnet-Plus" or "DECnet = IV"? IfnF > you selected -Plus, you need to enable MOP downloading (apparently = this= > config info isn't copied into -Plus on an upgrade from IV).k > F >   Unfortunately, I can't give you details about configuring -Plus f= or MOP -F > I don't use it. But this hint should point you to the right manuals=  to getg > you going. >g6 >         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com7 >         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA.   ------------------------------   Date: 29 May 2000 10:44:04 GMT+ From: "Gerke Grashuis" <g.grashuis@kpn.com> 9 Subject: Re: Disabling INTERRUPT and EXIT messages in DCL 8 Message-ID: <01bfc95a$cecdb2d0$8d4c15ac@HKTGN9911301604>  9 Is the dcl $SET MESSAGE command what you are looking for?   8 Dave Barlow <thed@sartar.demon.co.uk> schreef in artikel) <bzAwOWnXfihLnhBX3CebDkj4ihuQ@4ax.com>...- > Folks- > G > I have been asked on a web forum how to disable CTL-Y/CTL-C and CTL-ZTE > displaying INTERRUPT and EXIT messages to the terminal by using DCLc > only.  > E > After a bit of tinkering with $SET BROAD=NONE, SET NOCONTROL=Y, SETtD > TERM/NOBROAD, MC AUTHORIZE MOD user/FLAG=DISCTLY, checking all theG > lexicals and any other version of disabling the interrupt mechanism IuH > can not stop the messages being displayed. I know this is done in someE > applications so a system service does exist but can it be done from  > DCL? If so, who here knows?d >  > Thanks in advance. t >  > Dave Barlow  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 11:22:15 GMT>% From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com>i9 Subject: Re: Disabling INTERRUPT and EXIT messages in DCLs) Message-ID: <8gtjsu$88s$1@nnrp1.deja.com>s  2 In article <bzAwOWnXfihLnhBX3CebDkj4ihuQ@4ax.com>,.   Dave Barlow <thed@sartar.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Folksu >sG > I have been asked on a web forum how to disable CTL-Y/CTL-C and CTL-ZnE > displaying INTERRUPT and EXIT messages to the terminal by using DCLr > only.s >aE > After a bit of tinkering with $SET BROAD=NONE, SET NOCONTROL=Y, SETeD > TERM/NOBROAD, MC AUTHORIZE MOD user/FLAG=DISCTLY, checking all theG > lexicals and any other version of disabling the interrupt mechanism InH > can not stop the messages being displayed. I know this is done in someE > applications so a system service does exist but can it be done fromp > DCL? If so, who here knows?h  % I don't think you can do that in DCL. 8 It's a system-wide feature of the terminal class driver.- See '$ MCR SYSGEN HELP TERMINAL Description'.a   --
 Uwe Zessin    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:02:40 +0200 < From: Georges SZAFRANSKI <szafranski@lutece.evt.cpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: ES40 Configuration 6 Message-ID: <39327880.521AD89A@lutece.evt.cpqcorp.net>  I > Or have them setup as a single raid-5 set. This would give you 23 x 9GB. > = 207GB of usable space.I > I am not even sure you can have that many disks in a single raid-5 set.= >   > HSZ70 / 80 support a maximum of 14 disk drives in a RAID set.    Georges Szafranski Compaq / OpenVMS   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 13:43:24 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> # Subject: General discussion commento( Message-ID: <8gua2d$79q$1@pyrite.mv.net>  D I've been aware for a while now both in discussions here and privateI extensions of them that my wording has gotten, shall we say, rather blunt K rather often with people with whom I actually enjoy interacting.  Since the F bluntness may be much more apparent than the appreciation, I'd like toE explain it - especially as it's not my preferred method of discourse.q  G By and large, comp.os.vms comprises a set of die-hards, people who havesK stuck with VMS through thick and thin (more the latter for a long time now)oL because they appreciate it.  Not only does this make them decidedly partisanF as individuals, voicing opinions often more strident than informed andJ balanced when discussing the relative merits of other environments, but itI makes the environment self-reinforcing, since dissenting opinions tend to4* get drowned out regardless of their merit.  K My normal inclination is to avoid such groups, since I don't much care whatsL other people think if I've considered their opinions and found them wanting.I The problem here is that I really *do* appreciate VMS, believe that other,K systems are by and large technically inferior, and would really like to seerK Compaq take the steps necessary to make VMS palatable (without sacrifice toeG its existing strengths) to the world at large - and automatic fanaticalyI opposition by current VMS customers to all things non-VMS seems likely to-? make Compaq think twice before undertaking any such initiative.   H People here often do seem willing at least to contemplate new directionsK once they've gotten past their initial automatic responses, so I've come tooH tend to phrase things in a manner that grabs their attention in a manner@ difficult just to slough off ("First, you have to get the mule'sI attention...").  Should the environment become more receptive to balancedeI discussion of such input, I will happily revert to a less confrontational 	 approach.t   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 13:44:38 +0530e0 From: Siva Kumar B <sivakumar.b@cybertech.co.in> Subject: Hi All @ Message-ID: <A1A92C702186D311A75500600868566E3545BF@CSBMEX0121B>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_000_01BFC945.EF04CCC0a Content-Type: text/plain   	Dear VAXperts,   B 	Goodafternoon. I have one important information to share with you all. I'm sorry forA 	sending this message over this important discussion line. I feltf that it would be ofd
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 havoc on =0A=tG         the patients' posture. Not only this, it can worsen enough to =/ make walking =0A=tC         or even bending forward impossible, eventually leading to =  spondylitis, =0A=/C         a degenerative disease", points out a physician.</font>=0A= ?       <p><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" =D size=3D"2"> Same with =0A=H         pain in the neck which if untreated, can develop into cervical = spondylitis =0A=G         affecting the sensory and motor nerves of the hands.</font>=0A= ?       <p><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" =/ size=3D"2"> Staring =0A=H         continuously into a computer screen also strains the eye which = in the =0A=2I         long run can damage your eyesight. Says leading ophthalmologist =  Dr Usha =0A=G         Vyas of Nagri Eye Hospital, "The best is to get an anti-glare =f screen installed =0A="H         and maintain a distance of more than 14 inches between the eye = and the =0A=         screen."</font>=0A=o?       <p><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" =o% size=3D"2"> Prabir Mukhopadhyay, =0A= @         who works at the ergonomics department of the National = Institute of Design, =0A=aC         says it is very important that the height of the computer =i screen should =0A=I         fall into the direct line of your sight where you don't have to =  look either =0A=H         up or down while working. "Neck-aches and headaches are common = among computer =0A=iG         professional because they are not aware of this simple fact," =>
 he says. =0A= D         "An adjustable chair that aligns you with your screen will = reduce such =0A=,         aches to a large extent."</font>=0A=?       <p><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" =  size=3D"2"> Mukhopadhyay =0A="G         adds any posture is bad for the body if one stays in it for a =3 long while. =0A=E         "Stand for five hours and there will be pooling of blood in =D your legs =0A=C         because of the gravitational pull of the earth. This will =s reduce the blood =0A=r<         flow to your brain which often results in soldiers = fainting."</font>=0A=t?       <p><font face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" =< size=3D"2"> Of course, =0A= A         doctors insist prevention can be better than cure here. =  Stresses Dr Piyush, =0A=E         "Taking regular breaks, exercising the back and neck is all =n that it takes =0A=E         to escape these occupational hazards. It's just a matter of =  being sensitive =0A=+         to needs of one's body."</font>=0A=        <p> =0A=       <p> =0A=       <br>=0A=6         <a href=3D"javascript: history.go(-1);"><img =A src=3D"/NetDynamics/NetDynamics50/images/back.gif" border=3D"0" =2 align=3D"absmiddle"></a> =0A="       </td>=0A==   </tr>=0A=b   </tbody> =0A=  </table>=0A= </body>=0A=4 </html>=0A=>  ) ------_=_NextPart_000_01BFC945.EF04CCC0--o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 09:07:41 +0200g4 From: "Pathworks News" <Daniel.Grund@notformail.com>0 Subject: Re: HLL (or DCL) ADMIN SEND equivalent?6 Message-ID: <8gt4vm$qco$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   Mike,DH What exactly is it what you want to do, besides send messages with ADMIN SEND ?   -- Daniel Grund   Compaq Customer Servicesi" Microsoft Certified Support Centre1 Pathworks/Advanced Server Expertise Centre Europei   The Netherlands C "Michael T. Davis" <DAVISM@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote in message"4 news:8grjht$837$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu... >tG > Is there some other means to sending a message to a PC which would befE > handled by its WinPopup/Messenger service from a VMS system runningt Advanced" > Server, besides ADMINISTER SEND? > 	 > Thanks,% >  Mike3 > --E >              Michael T. Davis              |    Systems Specialist:  ChE,MSEV; >   E-mail: davism@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu    | Departmentalh Networking/ComputingL >            -or- DAVISM+@osu.edu            |     The Ohio State UniversityL > http://www.er6.eng.ohio-state.edu/~davism/ |     197 Watts, (614) 292-6928   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 10:10:55 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>"0 Subject: Re: HLL (or DCL) ADMIN SEND equivalent?) Message-ID: <3932260F.ED6B7BA1@gtech.com>f   Pathworks News wrote: J > What exactly is it what you want to do, besides send messages with ADMIN > SEND ?  8 Us VMS people generally have the view, that of something: is possible via a script calling utilities, then it should- also be possible via a program using an API !h   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 29 May 2000 06:18:15 GMT- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) ? Subject: Re: How to export contents of RMS file to .csv format?=5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-Pvig0RDi0KPE@localhost><  2 On Sun, 27 May 3900 19:41:16, "David J. Dachtera" $ <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:   >   > ..CSV = Comma Separated Values > , > ....sometimes. As always, "it depends...". >   F I knew it sounded familiar but I couldn't place it in th VMS world :-)   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 10:05:55 +0200 B From: "Softwaregroep TB/GA Gasunie" <e.g.van.der.velde@gasunie.nl>  Subject: internet mail under VMS, Message-ID: <8gt8bh$r07$1@porthos.nl.uu.net>   Hello,  C I'm fairly new to alpha and VMS and I want to connect a modem to anzF Alphastation 500 and do some internet mail with the MAIL utility and a	 provider.2L I hope someone can point me in the right direction to do the following jobs:  < 1. How to connect and configure a modem to a VMS workstation  I 2. How to configure the TCP/IP services (UCX) so that I can email using a  POP/SMTP server via PPPD    J The system has to gather the email, dial-out to the provider and bring/get
 the email.  L If anyone has some tips to this or can point me to some reading to do this I would be very happy.   Thanks,=(   Hans van der Veeke (Gasunie Groningen)   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 07:04:16 GMTi% From: "P.Lj" <plj@byron.ext.telia.se>3 Subject: Re: Jabber on OpenVMS?i2 Message-ID: <3932166E.D4B82389@byron.ext.telia.se>  & The client seems to be a Win/xx thing.  @ Jabber in general, seems to be based upon XML, has capability to communicate D with AOL and ICQ, don't know if this is a potiental porting software targeted; for VMS ?   If there was a linux-x-client, then maybee.....    >>>^P.Lj    $ alphaman@hsv.sungardtrust.com wrote:  	 > Hi all,  >d3 > Has anyone looked into porting Jabber to OpenVMS?V >aA > For those who aren't familiar, Jabber is an open source instant7H > messaging client and SERVER (!) that is compatible with a long list ofH > other IM clients.  From what I've seen, it's about the only IM server,0 > and one of the few open-source kits out there. >sI > The potential for IM behind firewalls looks really attractive; I'd like=/ > to see this on OpenVMS (no U*X in this shop).6 >>  > Server: http://www.jabber.org/ >   > Client: http://www.jabber.com/ >> > TIA, > Aaronb > --> > Aaron Sakovich                 SunGard Huntsville Operations> > 256 971-5808                   sakovich@hsv.sungardtrust.com> > Internet:                            http://www.alphant.com/> > Even my car has a website:  http://www.alphant.com/cristine/5 > "Try not!  Do, or do not.  There is no try." (Yoda)" > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 09:05:38 +0200=4 From: "Pathworks News" <Daniel.Grund@notformail.com>+ Subject: Re: Looking for PW API information=6 Message-ID: <8gt4rr$qbc$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  G It is a matter of viewing point, API stands for Application Programming/
 Interface.L In OpenVMS/PATHWORKS we don't have that kind of interface we use a system of shared memory.I This means that PATHWORKS/OpenVMS thinks it wrote the modified memory and  handles it accordingly.>H In PATHWORKS there are no supported ways a programmer can do things with5 this, except of course the COM programming interface."    I hope this explain it a little.   regards, -- Daniel Grund   Compaq Customer Services " Microsoft Certified Support Centre1 Pathworks/Advanced Server Expertise Centre Europel   The Netherlands26 "Ruslan R. Laishev" <laishev@dls.net> wrote in message: news:SyTX4.82476$681.1602285@news-east.usenetserver.com...! > Pathworks News wrote in message</ > <8glg6u$oj2$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>... 	 > >David,/ > ><C > >At this point in time you can't check the password change times. < > >We are working on a change on this to make this possible., > >So, for this I can only say, be patience. > > E > >About the API, yes I expected an Microsoft/workstation applicationD becauseA" > >on OpenVMS we don't have API's.G >     Hmmm... It's very strange , how in this case works ADMIN MOD USER3I > /PASS=, directly write a password to the PW database, and to SYSUAF (byD > $setuai) ? >o >h >h   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 10:09:04 +0200t= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> + Subject: Re: Looking for PW API informations) Message-ID: <393225A0.EB88DBC2@gtech.com>=   Pathworks News wrote: I > It is a matter of viewing point, API stands for Application Programming  > Interface.N > In OpenVMS/PATHWORKS we don't have that kind of interface we use a system of > shared memory.K > This means that PATHWORKS/OpenVMS thinks it wrote the modified memory and3 > handles it accordingly.nJ > In PATHWORKS there are no supported ways a programmer can do things with7 > this, except of course the COM programming interface.    What about adding an API ?   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 15:56:41 +0100s  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com+ Subject: Re: Looking for PW API information#> Message-ID: <802568EB.005227C6.00@qedilc01.qedi.quintiles.com>  % Daniel Grund at youknowwhere  wrote :<M >>>About the API, yes I expected an Microsoft/workstation application because " on OpenVMS we don't have API's.<<<  < I thought they were called RTLs in proper operating systems?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:38:11 +040004 From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU>+ Subject: Re: Looking for PW API information</ Message-ID: <39324893.96E4F93@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU>s   Pathworks News wrote:= > I > It is a matter of viewing point, API stands for Application Programmingt > Interface.N > In OpenVMS/PATHWORKS we don't have that kind of interface we use a system of > shared memory.K > This means that PATHWORKS/OpenVMS thinks it wrote the modified memory andA > handles it accordingly. J > In PATHWORKS there are no supported ways a programmer can do things with7 > this, except of course the COM programming interface.t > " > I hope this explain it a little.K 	I'm not sure, what you can say about of PWRK$ACME_MODULE_[ALPHA|VAX].EXE ?o  H $ pipe anal/ima sys$library:PWRK$ACME_MODULE_ALPHA.EXE | search sys$pipe "symbol:",ACME /match=and&+                 symbol: "ACME_SET_PASSWORD"&+                 symbol: "ACME_AUTHENTICATE"=)                 symbol: "ACME_MAP_USERID"0%                 symbol: "ACME_CANCEL"n%                 symbol: "ACME_LOGOFF"e$                 symbol: "ACME_LOGON"'                 symbol: "ACME_SHUTDOWN"d#                 symbol: "ACME_INIT"  $"   > 
 > regards, > -- > Daniel Grund >  > Compaq > Customer Services"$ > Microsoft Certified Support Centre3 > Pathworks/Advanced Server Expertise Centre Europec >  > The Netherlands 8 > "Ruslan R. Laishev" <laishev@dls.net> wrote in message< > news:SyTX4.82476$681.1602285@news-east.usenetserver.com...# > > Pathworks News wrote in messaget1 > > <8glg6u$oj2$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>...( > > >David,  > > >"E > > >At this point in time you can't check the password change times.o> > > >We are working on a change on this to make this possible.. > > >So, for this I can only say, be patience. > > >nG > > >About the API, yes I expected an Microsoft/workstation applicationc	 > becausel$ > > >on OpenVMS we don't have API's.I > >     Hmmm... It's very strange , how in this case works ADMIN MOD USERfK > > /PASS=, directly write a password to the PW database, and to SYSUAF (byA > > $setuai) ? > >  > >o > >b   -- > Cheers,<F +OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker........................................+E  Russia,Delta Telecom Inc,                    Cel:  +7 (901) 971-32220E  191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3                     116-3222 E                                               Fax:  +7 (812) 115-1035 G +http://www.levitte.org/~rlaishev/ .......... SysMan rides HailStorm +
=   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 15:16:20 +0200t4 From: "Pathworks News" <Daniel.Grund@notformail.com>+ Subject: Re: Looking for PW API informationg6 Message-ID: <8gtqj6$4hj$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  = All I can say is that if you would like to know more......... A Contact your local support organisation and try to escalate it... L or....contact the PATHWORKS/Advanced Server for OpenVMS product manager Mark Hutnick.6 I know this isn't much but I can't do anything more...   successa   -- Daniel Grund   Compaq Customer Servicesv" Microsoft Certified Support Centre1 Pathworks/Advanced Server Expertise Centre Europeb   The Netherlands=? "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU> wrote in message=) news:39324893.96E4F93@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU...  > Pathworks News wrote:d > >nK > > It is a matter of viewing point, API stands for Application Programmings > > Interface.F > > In OpenVMS/PATHWORKS we don't have that kind of interface we use a	 system of  > > shared memory.I > > This means that PATHWORKS/OpenVMS thinks it wrote the modified memorye anda > > handles it accordingly.aL > > In PATHWORKS there are no supported ways a programmer can do things with9 > > this, except of course the COM programming interface.i > >"$ > > I hope this explain it a little.L > I'm not sure, what you can say about of PWRK$ACME_MODULE_[ALPHA|VAX].EXE ? > J > $ pipe anal/ima sys$library:PWRK$ACME_MODULE_ALPHA.EXE | search sys$pipe > "symbol:",ACME /match=andh- >                 symbol: "ACME_SET_PASSWORD"o- >                 symbol: "ACME_AUTHENTICATE",+ >                 symbol: "ACME_MAP_USERID"y' >                 symbol: "ACME_CANCEL" ' >                 symbol: "ACME_LOGOFF"e& >                 symbol: "ACME_LOGON") >                 symbol: "ACME_SHUTDOWN" % >                 symbol: "ACME_INIT"  > $e >  > >s > > regards, > > -- > > Daniel Grund > >g
 > > Compaq > > Customer Services & > > Microsoft Certified Support Centre5 > > Pathworks/Advanced Server Expertise Centre Europe  > >t > > The Netherlandsi: > > "Ruslan R. Laishev" <laishev@dls.net> wrote in message> > > news:SyTX4.82476$681.1602285@news-east.usenetserver.com...% > > > Pathworks News wrote in messagee3 > > > <8glg6u$oj2$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>...0
 > > > >David,o > > > >DG > > > >At this point in time you can't check the password change times. @ > > > >We are working on a change on this to make this possible.0 > > > >So, for this I can only say, be patience. > > > >uI > > > >About the API, yes I expected an Microsoft/workstation applicationt > > becauseu& > > > >on OpenVMS we don't have API's.K > > >     Hmmm... It's very strange , how in this case works ADMIN MOD USER I > > > /PASS=, directly write a password to the PW database, and to SYSUAFo (byc > > > $setuai) ? > > >a > > >t > > >  >  > --	 > Cheers,DH > +OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker........................................+G >  Russia,Delta Telecom Inc,                    Cel:  +7 (901) 971-3222 G >  191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3                     116-3222pG >                                               Fax:  +7 (812) 115-1035eH > +http://www.levitte.org/~rlaishev/ .......... SysMan rides HailStorm +   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:12:49 +0400 4 From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU>+ Subject: Re: Looking for PW API information 0 Message-ID: <39327AE1.3C0C4C5E@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU>  3 I have contacted and waiting, waiting, waiting ....a   Pathworks News wrote:  > ? > All I can say is that if you would like to know more.........aC > Contact your local support organisation and try to escalate it...cN > or....contact the PATHWORKS/Advanced Server for OpenVMS product manager Mark
 > Hutnick.8 > I know this isn't much but I can't do anything more... > 	 > success,   >  > -- > Daniel Grund >  > Compaq > Customer Servicesr$ > Microsoft Certified Support Centre3 > Pathworks/Advanced Server Expertise Centre Europek >  > The NetherlandsnA > "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU> wrote in messagee+ > news:39324893.96E4F93@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU...A > > Pathworks News wrote:V > > > M > > > It is a matter of viewing point, API stands for Application Programmingy > > > Interface.H > > > In OpenVMS/PATHWORKS we don't have that kind of interface we use a > system ofi > > > shared memory.K > > > This means that PATHWORKS/OpenVMS thinks it wrote the modified memorys > and  > > > handles it accordingly.lN > > > In PATHWORKS there are no supported ways a programmer can do things with; > > > this, except of course the COM programming interface.t > > >D& > > > I hope this explain it a little.N > > I'm not sure, what you can say about of PWRK$ACME_MODULE_[ALPHA|VAX].EXE ? > >tL > > $ pipe anal/ima sys$library:PWRK$ACME_MODULE_ALPHA.EXE | search sys$pipe > > "symbol:",ACME /match=andc/ > >                 symbol: "ACME_SET_PASSWORD" / > >                 symbol: "ACME_AUTHENTICATE"e- > >                 symbol: "ACME_MAP_USERID"i) > >                 symbol: "ACME_CANCEL"o) > >                 symbol: "ACME_LOGOFF"s( > >                 symbol: "ACME_LOGON"+ > >                 symbol: "ACME_SHUTDOWN" ' > >                 symbol: "ACME_INIT"r > > $  > >= > > >e > > > regards, > > > -- > > > Daniel Grund > > >0 > > > Compaq > > > Customer Servicesa( > > > Microsoft Certified Support Centre7 > > > Pathworks/Advanced Server Expertise Centre Europeh > > >i > > > The Netherlands < > > > "Ruslan R. Laishev" <laishev@dls.net> wrote in message@ > > > news:SyTX4.82476$681.1602285@news-east.usenetserver.com...' > > > > Pathworks News wrote in messages5 > > > > <8glg6u$oj2$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>...b > > > > >David,r	 > > > > >oI > > > > >At this point in time you can't check the password change times.lB > > > > >We are working on a change on this to make this possible.2 > > > > >So, for this I can only say, be patience.	 > > > > >DK > > > > >About the API, yes I expected an Microsoft/workstation applicationi
 > > > becausei( > > > > >on OpenVMS we don't have API's.M > > > >     Hmmm... It's very strange , how in this case works ADMIN MOD USEReK > > > > /PASS=, directly write a password to the PW database, and to SYSUAF= > (by  > > > > $setuai) ? > > > >o > > > >; > > > >  > >D > > -- > > Cheers,mJ > > +OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker........................................+I > >  Russia,Delta Telecom Inc,                    Cel:  +7 (901) 971-3222/I > >  191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3                     116-3222-I > >                                               Fax:  +7 (812) 115-1035NJ > > +http://www.levitte.org/~rlaishev/ .......... SysMan rides HailStorm +   -- ? Cheers,-F +OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker........................................+E  Russia,Delta Telecom Inc,                    Cel:  +7 (901) 971-3222-E  191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3                     116-3222rE                                               Fax:  +7 (812) 115-1035hG +http://www.levitte.org/~rlaishev/ .......... SysMan rides HailStorm +
s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 16:27:44 +0200s4 From: "Pathworks News" <Daniel.Grund@notformail.com>+ Subject: Re: Looking for PW API informatione6 Message-ID: <8gtuoq$5ub$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   Ruslan,IL Sorry, but there is nothing I can do to speed things up, all you could do is. ping your representative for an status update.     -- Daniel Grund   Compaq Customer Servicesr" Microsoft Certified Support Centre1 Pathworks/Advanced Server Expertise Centre EuropeO   The Netherlandsy? "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU> wrote in message6* news:39327AE1.3C0C4C5E@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU...5 > I have contacted and waiting, waiting, waiting ....e >i > Pathworks News wrote:r > >jA > > All I can say is that if you would like to know more......... E > > Contact your local support organisation and try to escalate it... K > > or....contact the PATHWORKS/Advanced Server for OpenVMS product managerE Mark > > Hutnick.: > > I know this isn't much but I can't do anything more... > >c > > successu >i > >  > > -- > > Daniel Grund > >e
 > > Compaq > > Customer Servicesr& > > Microsoft Certified Support Centre5 > > Pathworks/Advanced Server Expertise Centre Europe. > >D > > The NetherlandsjC > > "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU> wrote in message-- > > news:39324893.96E4F93@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU...  > > > Pathworks News wrote:6 > > > >JC > > > > It is a matter of viewing point, API stands for Applicationo Programming  > > > > Interface.J > > > > In OpenVMS/PATHWORKS we don't have that kind of interface we use a
 > > system of  > > > > shared memory.F > > > > This means that PATHWORKS/OpenVMS thinks it wrote the modified memory > > and0 > > > > handles it accordingly.sK > > > > In PATHWORKS there are no supported ways a programmer can do thingsg with= > > > > this, except of course the COM programming interface.  > > > > ( > > > > I hope this explain it a little.- > > > I'm not sure, what you can say about of " PWRK$ACME_MODULE_[ALPHA|VAX].EXE ? > > >sE > > > $ pipe anal/ima sys$library:PWRK$ACME_MODULE_ALPHA.EXE | search  sys$pipe > > > "symbol:",ACME /match=anda1 > > >                 symbol: "ACME_SET_PASSWORD"s1 > > >                 symbol: "ACME_AUTHENTICATE"P/ > > >                 symbol: "ACME_MAP_USERID"e+ > > >                 symbol: "ACME_CANCEL"t+ > > >                 symbol: "ACME_LOGOFF"i* > > >                 symbol: "ACME_LOGON"- > > >                 symbol: "ACME_SHUTDOWN"n) > > >                 symbol: "ACME_INIT"- > > > $- > > >- > > > >e > > > > regards,
 > > > > -- > > > > Daniel Grund > > > >. > > > > Compaq > > > > Customer Servicesi* > > > > Microsoft Certified Support Centre9 > > > > Pathworks/Advanced Server Expertise Centre Europer > > > >a > > > > The Netherlands > > > > > "Ruslan R. Laishev" <laishev@dls.net> wrote in messageB > > > > news:SyTX4.82476$681.1602285@news-east.usenetserver.com...) > > > > > Pathworks News wrote in message.7 > > > > > <8glg6u$oj2$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>...  > > > > > >David,  > > > > > >oK > > > > > >At this point in time you can't check the password change times.bD > > > > > >We are working on a change on this to make this possible.4 > > > > > >So, for this I can only say, be patience. > > > > > >IA > > > > > >About the API, yes I expected an Microsoft/workstation- applicationu > > > > becauseh* > > > > > >on OpenVMS we don't have API's.J > > > > >     Hmmm... It's very strange , how in this case works ADMIN MOD USERF > > > > > /PASS=, directly write a password to the PW database, and to SYSUAF > > (byo > > > > > $setuai) ?	 > > > > > 	 > > > > >n	 > > > > >i > > >r > > > --
 > > > Cheers, L > > > +OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker........................................+K > > >  Russia,Delta Telecom Inc,                    Cel:  +7 (901) 971-3222aK > > >  191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3                     116-3222 K > > >                                               Fax:  +7 (812) 115-1035-L > > > +http://www.levitte.org/~rlaishev/ .......... SysMan rides HailStorm + >" > --	 > Cheers,tH > +OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker........................................+G >  Russia,Delta Telecom Inc,                    Cel:  +7 (901) 971-3222nG >  191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3                     116-3222RG >                                               Fax:  +7 (812) 115-1035.H > +http://www.levitte.org/~rlaishev/ .......... SysMan rides HailStorm +   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 16:28:36 +0200o- From: Markus Nopp <Markus.Nopp@elbanet.co.at>r Subject: Physical memory usage- Message-ID: <39327E94.A1F54E3F@elbanet.co.at>d  0 where and how can i see how much physical memory a process is using ?   Markus Noppa   nopp@racon-linz.at http://www.racon-linz.at   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 17:32:03 +0200e< From: Georges SZAFRANSKI <szafranski@lutece.evt.cpqcorp.net>" Subject: Re: Physical memory usage6 Message-ID: <3932A993.41D583A7@lutece.evt.cpqcorp.net>   Markus Nopp wrote: > 2 > where and how can i see how much physical memory > a process is using ? > 
 > Markus Noppo >  > nopp@racon-linz.at > http://www.racon-linz.at  9 The physical memory used by a process is the working set.s  H The size of the working set list gives you the amount of physical memory# that the process uses at this time.   ? For each process you have to sum PCB$L_PPGCNT and PCB$L_GPGCNT.w  $ These fields are available with SDA.   georges szafranski   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 08:03:00 +0200 > From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>3 Subject: Re: RMS handling of extremely long records 2 Message-ID: <8gt13g$d1b$1@s2.feed.news.oleane.net>   I'm using OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-1r: Recently I downloaded a patch from ftp.service.digital.com I downloaded the checksum too.8 Then I tried to checksum the downloaded DCX_AXPEXE file,  with a RECORD TOO LONG error ...: This problem is a security issue for everybody downloading5 a file through a PC+Advanced Server configuration ...a9 As a matter of fact, the patch was bad, and I got a bunchs3 of problems after the PRODUCT INSTALL of the patch. 5 Traditionnal saveset for vmsinstal get a backup error-8 when they are bad, so it is less dangerous is this case.   Jean-Franois Marchals X9000 - LYON  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3931911C.17E43B07@videotron.ca...G > Every now and then, I read complaints about a file that can't be readd becausesE > of a record that is too long. (usually , some binary data stored as<7 > "stream-lf" but doesn't contain new-line indicators).y >mK > I used to experience this often, but on 7.2, I didn't quite see this when0 I tried. >aB > Has RMS been changed lately to handle such very long "records" ? >PF > If not, (perhaps the files I have tested this with were all properly formed)," > I have the following suggestion: >nF > RMS should have an option to treat records longer than it is able to processWF > in a single operation as multiple records, with an indication that a	 record ish > not complete.H >KI > If the C RTL used such option, it would enable it to provide the callery withK > chunks of data within the limits of the user's buffer and quotas.  And byhJ > getting a "record end not found" status code (instead of RTB), the C RTL wouldaK > know not to add the "newline" at the end of the record. As such, the dataXI > received by the application would not be modified and this would enable  muchL > of the UNIX software that doesn't knwo about RMS to read binary files that are  > stored as text files on VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 17:13:01 +1000 / From: "Phil Howell" <howellp@snowyhydro.com.au>O Subject: Re: Setting passwordA1 Message-ID: <3MoY4.3980$N4.139303@ozemail.com.au>d  J One way would be make all the other machines authorise against the vms box :)? Antony Wardle <antony.wardle@nospam.met.co.nz> wrote in messager+ news:njhY4.3748$N4.128464@ozemail.com.au...s > Hi.e >rK > Has anyone invented a way to set your password, linux password, and/or ntn> > password with a niffy little command procedure (or similer)? >. > Or any way arounmd?w >e > Antony >  >  >l >$   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 12:14:33 +0000p- From: ezzaoudi med <m.ezzaoudi@digitem.co.ma>e Subject: SF36 documentation - Message-ID: <39325F29.78A904FA@digitem.co.ma>    SF36 documentation   Hi, & Where can I find documentation for the6 Digital product " SF36-HE " . It is a storage box that can contain  6 RF36 DSSI Disk. It 's an old product !  	 Thank yous   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 03:02:48 -0400y) From: John Santos <jasantos@ultranet.com>o6 Subject: Re: VAX VMS 7.2 Bug? ; backup/image/(no)alias= Message-ID: <MPG.139be0264aeef6d5989778@news.ma.ultranet.com>.  9 In article <N7gY4.4541$WV.236958@news20.bellglobal.com>,   n.rieck@sympatico.ca says... > 6 > John Nebel <nebel@ATHENA.CSDCO.COM> wrote in messageB > news:Pine.OSF.4.21.0005280719020.2752-100000@athena.csdco.com... > >5 > > Tim, > >/ > > The VMS 7.2 manual says: > >.I > > "Specifying the /IMAGE qualifier without also specifying /NOALIAS can,H > > result in incomplete disk or file restoration operations. Therefore,I > > Compaq strongly recommends that you specify /NOALIAS with /IMAGE when$- > > performing image mode backup operations."  > >s > > John Nebel > >k > L > 1. At this point I'm not saying that the VMS 7.2 manual is wrong, but moreB > files do get copied over when I use /ALIAS rather than /NOALIAS. > K > 2. Also, using either switch with /IMAGE results in a warning that statesrH > that alias VMS$COMMON.DIR was not copied. However, running DFU 2.7 andD > executing a "DIR/ALIAS dsa0:[000000...]" command produces a result: > indicating that DSA0:[SYS0]SYSCOMMON.DIR is an alias forJ > DSA0:[000000]VMS$COMMON.DIR. It's almost as if s/w drops both the "alias& > file name" and the "real file name". > H > I guess it's time to take down the system (ugg) and try a BACKUP after > booting the VMS CD-ROM.S >  > Neil Rieck  I My news server seems to have lost most of the last several weeks postingshF (or maybe Gravity has messed up - I'm running a Beta version...), so IF missed the start of this thread, but this reminds me of an old problemE with incorrect directory backlinks that used to cause problems in theCD V5.x days.  I remember the upgrade manuals used to warn you to check4 for something (maybe in $ dump/header/block=count=0 E sys$sysdevice:[000000]vms$common.dir? checking the directory backlinkOE was to [000000], rather than [SYSn.]?)  There was an elaborate method F of repairing the problem, mostly a series of renames, IIRC.  I haven'tI noticed any mention of this in years; maybe the VMS folks added something B to the upgrade procedure that automatically detects and fixes the F problem?  Anyway, it sounds to me that BACKUP thinks all the directoryE entries for VMS$COMMON.DIR are alias, so it isn't backing it up.  But G shouldn't VMS back up the contents anyway, as "lost" files?  This mightiB make it hard or impossible to retreive an individual file from theA save set, but I think an image restore should be okay, since the RH directory file itself should be restored as a "lost" file, and the otherI SYSn.DIR's that point to it (as an alias) should still point to the righte. file ID, and so should work after the restore.  I If you were doing an image disk-to-disk backup, I think the same applies.t  F I'm not sure if ANALYZE/DISK will consider this an error.  I think theD original problem (from VMS V5 days) was that the disk structure was C valid, but not what VMS upgrades assumed, so ANALYZE/DISK was happyoC with it.  In your case, it might be that VMS$COMMON.DIR's header is H pointing to a non-existent or deleted directory, or at least a directoryH that doesn't have a filename pointing to VMS$COMMON.DIR.  If this is the( case, I think ANA/DISK should detect it.  ? BTW, if this ground hasn't been covered already in this thread:WG All that is in a VMS directory is a list of filenames and correspondingnB file IDs.  The file IDs are basically pointers to file headers in G [0,0]indexf.sys.  All the other info about the file (attributes, dates, F ownership, protection, retreival pointers, etc.) is in the file headerF in indexf.sys.  There is no reason why the same file ID can't exist inF more then one directory, or more than once in the same directory underG different names.  These are aliases.  Or the file ID (and thus the file H header might not be pointed to by any directory at all, in which case it is a "lost" file.g  D I hope this sheds some light on the situation, and maybe points to a	 solution.y   -- d John Santos    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 03:58:38 -0400t) From: John Santos <jasantos@ultranet.com>a6 Subject: Re: VAX VMS 7.2 Bug? ; backup/image/(no)alias= Message-ID: <MPG.139bed3c558e3774989779@news.ma.ultranet.com>   > In article <MPG.139be0264aeef6d5989778@news.ma.ultranet.com>,  jasantos@ultranet.com says...   @ Sorry to follow up my own post, but I'm not sure if the next two; paragraphs make much sense with out some info I left out....  H > I'm not sure if ANALYZE/DISK will consider this an error.  I think theF > original problem (from VMS V5 days) was that the disk structure was E > valid, but not what VMS upgrades assumed, so ANALYZE/DISK was happynE > with it.  In your case, it might be that VMS$COMMON.DIR's header istJ > pointing to a non-existent or deleted directory, or at least a directoryJ > that doesn't have a filename pointing to VMS$COMMON.DIR.  If this is the* > case, I think ANA/DISK should detect it. > A > BTW, if this ground hasn't been covered already in this thread:oI > All that is in a VMS directory is a list of filenames and corresponding'D > file IDs.  The file IDs are basically pointers to file headers in I > [0,0]indexf.sys.  All the other info about the file (attributes, dates,cH > ownership, protection, retreival pointers, etc.) is in the file headerH > in indexf.sys.  There is no reason why the same file ID can't exist inH > more then one directory, or more than once in the same directory underI > different names.  These are aliases.  Or the file ID (and thus the file J > header might not be pointed to by any directory at all, in which case it > is a "lost" file.  > C Among the info in the file header are the file name and the file IDlB of the directory listing the file.  If that directory contains theF given file name with the correct file ID of the header, that directoryE entry is considered the "non-alias" entry for the file, and any othervG directories listing it are considered aliases.  This name and directorynF ID are what I meant by "VMS$COMMON.DIR's header is pointing to ..." in the 1st paragraph above.   -- m John Santoso   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 10:32:24 GMTc) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> 6 Subject: Re: VAX VMS 7.2 Bug? ; backup/image/(no)alias8 Message-ID: <YGrY4.6854$WV.331722@news20.bellglobal.com>  G Thanks for pointing me the  right direction. I just checked the VMS 7.2oL system disk that I can't copy and it was upgraded from VMS 5.5-2 through VMSL 6.0 to VMS 6.2 back in 1996. It was later upgraded to VMS 7.2 in the fall of 1999.P  L I remember copying the VMS 6.2 disk to another for Y2K standalone testing inI the Spring of 1999 so I know that the BACKUP/IMAGE command worked at that K time. Since the target disk was a different size and type, I'm certain that J it was not copied by bring it into a shadow set. This is why I think there/ "might" be a bug in the VMS 7.2 BACKUP command.   K Sometime today I'll do a DIR/ALIAS command from DFU on an Alpha system disk7K that contains a "new" installation of VMS 7.2-1 then I'll compare it to thedK ALIAS structures found on the problem VAX. (maybe this would be a good time.. to try a hot backup of the Alpha system disk?)  
 Neil Rieck* Kitchener(New Berlin?)/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/   4 John Santos <jasantos@ultranet.com> wrote in message7 news:MPG.139be0264aeef6d5989778@news.ma.ultranet.com...s: > In article <N7gY4.4541$WV.236958@news20.bellglobal.com>, > n.rieck@sympatico.ca says... > > 8 > > John Nebel <nebel@ATHENA.CSDCO.COM> wrote in messageD > > news:Pine.OSF.4.21.0005280719020.2752-100000@athena.csdco.com... > > >8
 > > > Tim, > > >0 > > > The VMS 7.2 manual says: > > >,K > > > "Specifying the /IMAGE qualifier without also specifying /NOALIAS canyJ > > > result in incomplete disk or file restoration operations. Therefore,K > > > Compaq strongly recommends that you specify /NOALIAS with /IMAGE whene/ > > > performing image mode backup operations."R > > >. > > > John Nebel > > >e > >lI > > 1. At this point I'm not saying that the VMS 7.2 manual is wrong, bute moreD > > files do get copied over when I use /ALIAS rather than /NOALIAS. > >jF > > 2. Also, using either switch with /IMAGE results in a warning that statesJ > > that alias VMS$COMMON.DIR was not copied. However, running DFU 2.7 andF > > executing a "DIR/ALIAS dsa0:[000000...]" command produces a result< > > indicating that DSA0:[SYS0]SYSCOMMON.DIR is an alias forL > > DSA0:[000000]VMS$COMMON.DIR. It's almost as if s/w drops both the "alias( > > file name" and the "real file name". > >tJ > > I guess it's time to take down the system (ugg) and try a BACKUP after > > booting the VMS CD-ROM.  > >R > > Neil Rieck >LK > My news server seems to have lost most of the last several weeks postingslH > (or maybe Gravity has messed up - I'm running a Beta version...), so IH > missed the start of this thread, but this reminds me of an old problemG > with incorrect directory backlinks that used to cause problems in thecF > V5.x days.  I remember the upgrade manuals used to warn you to check5 > for something (maybe in $ dump/header/block=count=0oG > sys$sysdevice:[000000]vms$common.dir? checking the directory backlinkeG > was to [000000], rather than [SYSn.]?)  There was an elaborate methodxH > of repairing the problem, mostly a series of renames, IIRC.  I haven'tK > noticed any mention of this in years; maybe the VMS folks added somethingKC > to the upgrade procedure that automatically detects and fixes therH > problem?  Anyway, it sounds to me that BACKUP thinks all the directoryG > entries for VMS$COMMON.DIR are alias, so it isn't backing it up.  But I > shouldn't VMS back up the contents anyway, as "lost" files?  This mightMD > make it hard or impossible to retreive an individual file from theB > save set, but I think an image restore should be okay, since theJ > directory file itself should be restored as a "lost" file, and the otherK > SYSn.DIR's that point to it (as an alias) should still point to the right 0 > file ID, and so should work after the restore. >pK > If you were doing an image disk-to-disk backup, I think the same applies.  > H > I'm not sure if ANALYZE/DISK will consider this an error.  I think theE > original problem (from VMS V5 days) was that the disk structure wasmE > valid, but not what VMS upgrades assumed, so ANALYZE/DISK was happy.E > with it.  In your case, it might be that VMS$COMMON.DIR's header is@J > pointing to a non-existent or deleted directory, or at least a directoryJ > that doesn't have a filename pointing to VMS$COMMON.DIR.  If this is the* > case, I think ANA/DISK should detect it. > A > BTW, if this ground hasn't been covered already in this thread:.I > All that is in a VMS directory is a list of filenames and correspondingtC > file IDs.  The file IDs are basically pointers to file headers intI > [0,0]indexf.sys.  All the other info about the file (attributes, dates,rH > ownership, protection, retreival pointers, etc.) is in the file headerH > in indexf.sys.  There is no reason why the same file ID can't exist inH > more then one directory, or more than once in the same directory underI > different names.  These are aliases.  Or the file ID (and thus the filetJ > header might not be pointed to by any directory at all, in which case it > is a "lost" file.n >eF > I hope this sheds some light on the situation, and maybe points to a > solution.  >a > --
 > John Santos-   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 17:09:51 GMTo% From: hx_101@hotmail.com (Horse Nuts)[1 Subject: ver 7.1 Openvms will run on the new Ds20.+ Message-ID: <3932a412.21124916@news.dal.ca>   - Will ver 7.1 Openvms will run on the new Ds20t; we have received. There may be a minimum limit and if so we ; need to know the version. If the version needs upgrading it)) may affect other software running there. s   Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:26:18 -0300o1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>M5 Subject: RE: ver 7.1 Openvms will run on the new Ds20aK Message-ID: <F150836441C5D311A11700508B6FF01A9834C7@bdant024.bda.bobda.com>   E Yes it will run but it will require some patches prior to booting VMScL successfully.  They are described in a DSN article but I can definitely tell? you one of them is call DS20_update & the other is a LAN patch.f - Darren   > ----------4 > From: 	hx_101@hotmail.com[SMTP:hx_101@hotmail.com]% > Sent: 	Monday, May 29, 2000 2:09 PMe > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com4 > Subject: 	ver 7.1 Openvms will run on the new Ds20 > / > Will ver 7.1 Openvms will run on the new Ds20r= > we have received. There may be a minimum limit and if so we = > need to know the version. If the version needs upgrading itn+ > may affect other software running there. e >  > Thanks >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andzJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theycL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingo of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudaEF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 11:17:04 -0400r+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>s" Subject: RE: Wildfire AnnouncementJ Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284305@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   Andrew,c  % Nice to see you back in form again ..e   :-)e  K >>> Nothing appears to have changed. I said in a much earlier post prior toeJ the WildFire announcement that Compaq need to show much more than marginalL performance leads between themselves and other platforms to get customers toH put them back on their bid lists and they can only do this by publishing- world class "relevant" benchmark results. <<<-  F Ok, as earlier thread noted, formal results are still in progress (youK really do not expect all the benchmarks to be available on day 1 do you ?),nC but, since memory throughput is a big consideration when looking atvH technical application scalability, here is a teaser for you to consider:! [more stuff cooking right now ..]o  E http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/gs320/gs320_mccalpin.html (McCalpin  Streams benchmark results)  K "The STREAM benchmark measures the impact of memory performance on floatinguL point performance. The STREAM benchmark is designed to force problems out ofD cache and into main memory in the way that large technical computing applications do.  % The STREAM benchmark is available at:,' ftp://ftp.cs.virginia.edu/pub/stream/."    Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant,
 Compaq Canadae Professional Services  Voice : 613-592-4660 FAX   : 819-772-7036 Email : kerry.main@compaq.comt       -----Original Message-----' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyt! [mailto:andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com]-# Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 12:50 PM0 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi" Subject: Re: Wildfire Announcement     Rob Young wrote:  K > In article <LBU66PV5fOqp@eisner.decus.org>, young_r@eisner.decus.org (Robl Young) writes:D > > In article <39293046.5C1F06ED@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK. Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: >sB > >       What's your point?  I don't understand what you mean by: > >eH > >> Digitals footsteps and shouted the SPECint mantra from the rooftopsG > >> without producing the benchmark results that cost money to run butw* > >> which matter to commercial customers. > >> > >-F > >       They have produced them.  Are you disappointed that 32 AlphaC > >       CPUs didn't do better than 64 Sparc CPUs in integer rate?  > >5 >. >         Ummm make that:  >6F >         They have produced them.  Are you disappointed that 32 AlphaH >         CPUs didn't do MUCH better than 64 Sparc CPUs in integer rate? >.% >                                 Rob   C No that isn't the point. Lets face it Alpha boxes have always given0B "great SPECint" particularly on an indevidual CPU basis. They have@ also been pretty terrible at translating that CPU only benchmarkA performance into actual commercial workload performance. The ES408= DS20 TPC results for example show Compaq appearing to require < 30% more CPU resource than their competition to get the same? throughput and these are only recent examples in a long history , of good SPECint poor application throughput.  ? So thats why it's sad that Compaq keep trotting out the SPECint/< dog and pony show, commercial customers generally don't care= about SPECint performance, they are more likely to care abouto= application performance and Compaq havn't shown any benchmark 9 results for the GS320 except for SAP and they included anAA 2 year old Sun result on an old box running a different benchmarko? (really good comparison) and forgot to include a Fujitsu resultL that was better than theirs.  ? It is also true that SPECint/fp is relatively inexpensive whilei: 3 tier SAP, TPC-C etc are much more expensive to run. This9 however does not explain why Compaq chose to announce theu; GS machines while making claims for the systems performancen that have no backup.  A This lack of real benchmark results to back up performance claimsi? is par for the course, it was exactly what Digital did with thek@ origional Alpha servers and wasn't that a great sucess. Remember8 the 64bit DBMS marketing with not one relative benchmark8 to back up the performance claims made for 64bit DBMS's.  K Nothing appears to have changed. I said in a much earlier post prior to theoF WildFire announcement that Compaq need to show much more than marginalL performance leads between themselves and other platforms to get customers toH put them back on their bid lists and they can only do this by publishingK world class "relevant" benchmark results. Publishing SPECint/fp results hasdL almost no relevance to the target market that Compaq must make inroads in ifI the Alpha is going to survive. Have you ever seen a SPECint/fp number forID a S390 or a HDS box, would it suprise you to know that HP have neverL bothered publishing SPECint/fp/rate_int/rate_fp numbers for the V2500/V2600.     Regards? Andrew Harrisond Enterprise IT Architects   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:12:38 +0100n  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com1 Subject: Re: Wildfire memory and installed imagesh> Message-ID: <802568EB.00591D34.00@qedilc01.qedi.quintiles.com>   Hoff wrote:tG >>>  NUMA: Non-uniform Memory Access.  By definition, NUMA systems havee9   faster access to local memory than to remote memory.<<<   N This follows my understanding of what NUMA is and what the acronym stands for.K Someone used it the other day to describe Near Uniform Memory Access thougho which is confusuing.  L Mind you, I've heard it commented on more than one occasion that VMS will beP making use of the "benefits of NUMA" - non-uniform memory access is a thing thatO has to be lived with in certain circumstances, isn't it?  Not anything to shout P about but rather something to avoid if you can and keep quiet about if you can't	 avoid it?e   Steve.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:23:44 +0200C0 From: Vecchiato Michele <mvecchiato@mail.tim.it># Subject: [DOCUMENTATION]: Help me ?o+ Message-ID: <39329990.919AAB3C@mail.tim.it>d   Hi , Is there somebody can help me?E I 'm looking for free OpenVMS 7.1 manual ( for Student or Similar) ina the PDF  file. I thank yuo for all answers.   bye byeh        Michele  $ Yuong System Administrator on Italy.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 16:51:28 +0000.- From: ezzaoudi med <m.ezzaoudi@digitem.co.ma>a' Subject: Re: [DOCUMENTATION]: Help me ? - Message-ID: <3932A010.121784B8@digitem.co.ma>f   ezzaoudi med a =E9crit :   > Can you try this location ?e% > http://www.openvms.digital.com/doc/b > byei >t > Vecchiato Michele a =E9crit :a >o > > Hi ," > > Is there somebody can help me?F > > I 'm looking for free OpenVMS 7.1 manual ( for Student or Similar= ) in > > the PDF  file.  > > I thank yuo for all answers. > >3 > > bye byem > >n > >      Michele > >n( > > Yuong System Administrator on Italy.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:06:27 +0100r  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com/ Subject: Re: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"t> Message-ID: <802568EB.00530B71.01@qedilc01.qedi.quintiles.com>  P Well we've got 7 here and at least 7 others in the company that I know of.  PlusI I know where there are three uVAX 3400s, a uVAX 3800, three VS3100s and ai DEC3000-600......p   Tim Llewellyn wrote:L >>>If this thread goes on long enough, do ya think we'll eventually hit 450k systems?<<<D   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 09:38:31 -0300 1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> / Subject: RE: [humor] UNIX/OpenVMS email "virus"tK Message-ID: <F150836441C5D311A11700508B6FF01A9834BB@bdant024.bda.bobda.com>   C Sounds like a good model, problem I always find with these kinds ofeA operating systems is they come with TOO MUCH memory, I have triediF configuring them with less memory but just when you think your gettingL somewhere, WHAP !!, you realise there is still just too much historical data retained in cache. - Darren      @ > Well, if we are up to an Alpha, I propose the following model: > H > Esmeralda (29). Compact model, better than a VAX (vacuum variety) for L > cleaning. Irons and washes up too. Primary language Portuguese, secondary I > language Swiss German (from Bern - I can't understand much of it, maybee > you ! > can do better). Made in Brazil.r > K > Resourceful - this model has been known to climb over roofs when locking hE > itself out (and there's a story in itself!). Excellent laughter andf
 > dancing I > modules. Put itself to bed and leave me watching TV or surfing module. eL > "Honesty with cash" (gasp!) and "excellent shopping bargains" modules also >  > included. Economical to run. > I > Colour: Tan (no expensive holidays in the sun required) with dark curlyM > hair D > and big brown eyes.  > E > Known problems and restrictions: Keeps repeating the "v" word. Ver,-	 > verhei,-G > verheir, verheiraten - ooh managed to spit it out finally (German for@	 > marry, aL > for those who don't speak the lingo). Starts bashing pots and pans at 6:00 > in V& > the morning. No other known defects. > 4 > Aaarrrggghhh, do I really want an Alpha that much? > K > (Esmeralda is fortunately computer illiterate and has not much English soh > I ! > think I'm safe posting this :))  > + > Duck ... Thwack... (Just kidding dear...)  > ___e > Paul Sture
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