1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 30 May 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 300       Contents:L Re: Absolute fastest way to get a 100% correct record count for RMS   files?I Re: Absolute fastest way to get a 100% correct record count for RMSfiles? 2 Re: command recall  ... Preloading the Read buffer2 Re: command recall  ... Preloading the Read buffer
 Re: DAP error  Re: FTP Server Logs. Re: General discussion comment Re: internet mail under VMS  Re: Jabber on OpenVMS? Re: Monitor Display on V7.2-1  Re: Physical memory usage  Re: Scheduling Re: Setting password Re: Shareware: txt2pdf PRO System DECW console locked Re: System DECW console locked% Re: Tru64 Unix Moving to Open Source? - Re: VAX VMS 7.2 Bug? ; backup/image/(no)alias - Re: VAX VMS 7.2 Bug? ; backup/image/(no)alias - Re: VAX VMS 7.2 Bug? ; backup/image/(no)alias - Re: VAX VMS 7.2 Bug? ; backup/image/(no)alias , Re: ver 7.1 Openvms will run on the new Ds20, Re: ver 7.1 Openvms will run on the new Ds20, Re: ver 7.1 Openvms will run on the new Ds20 Re: War Stories ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:23:17 -0500 , From: "Glenn C. Everhart" <Everhart@GCE.com>U Subject: Re: Absolute fastest way to get a 100% correct record count for RMS   files? ' Message-ID: <39327D55.4897E211@GCE.com>   > There is (introduced in I think 7.2) an approximate byte count= for file data in the headers. It is advertised as approximate ? since there are some odd and unusual things that can be done to @ invalidate it. Nevertheless it should be good enough to use mostA of the time. A quick check against the on disk size should reveal # cases where it is completely off... A  Reading this (use the ACP interface, chapt 1 in RMS docs) should - be much faster than some sequential scheme...    JF Mezei wrote:  > / > How does ANA/RMS/STATS get the record count ?  > $ > (Count of data records: in KEY #0)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 17:53:45 -0700 & From: Ryan Moore <rmoore@qualcomm.com>R Subject: Re: Absolute fastest way to get a 100% correct record count for RMSfiles?I Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10005291751530.23789-100000@zinc.qualcomm.com>   H I believe if you read carefully, you will find that you must use the newI ODS-5 file system to get this functionality.  Just pointing this fact out 4 since almost everyone is probably still using ODS-2.  - On Mon, 29 May 2000, Glenn C. Everhart wrote: @ > There is (introduced in I think 7.2) an approximate byte count? > for file data in the headers. It is advertised as approximate A > since there are some odd and unusual things that can be done to B > invalidate it. Nevertheless it should be good enough to use mostC > of the time. A quick check against the on disk size should reveal % > cases where it is completely off... C >  Reading this (use the ACP interface, chapt 1 in RMS docs) should / > be much faster than some sequential scheme...  >  > JF Mezei wrote:  > > 1 > > How does ANA/RMS/STATS get the record count ?  > > & > > (Count of data records: in KEY #0) >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 29 May 2000 16:13:33 -04004 From: "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com>; Subject: Re: command recall  ... Preloading the Read buffer , Message-ID: <B55847AF-5853E0@165.247.41.201>  J On Mon, May 29, 2000 12:56 PM, mrsignor <mrsignor@bellatlantic.net> wrote: > F >I am working with the terminal i/o function modifiers and want to addB >text-data to the existing input stream when the user presses a PF= >function key. I believe i need to use TRM$_INIOFFSET, anyone  >have an example ? >  > ! >Basically, the user has a prompt  >  >prompt> >  >they type "show"  > 
 >prompt> show  >  >then they press the PF3 key,  >  >prompt> show <pf3>  > G >Which translates to the keyword "commlink". To the user they would see  >  >prompt> show commlink > 3 >with the input beginning just after the "commlink"   F My first thought would be to try this using the SMG routines.  SMG canE handle key definitions and command recall.  I've found it to simplify E input even in cases where I don't need fancy output.  I tend to avoid A low-level communications with the terminal driver whenever I can.    Just my two cents.   ---------------------------  Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 00:45:51 GMT , From: "mrsignor" <mrsignor@bellatlantic.net>; Subject: Re: command recall  ... Preloading the Read buffer 7 Message-ID: <3bEY4.7447$F22.327192@typhoon1.ba-dsg.net>   / =============================================== = Robert Deininger <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in message & news:B55847AF-5853E0@165.247.41.201...L > On Mon, May 29, 2000 12:56 PM, mrsignor <mrsignor@bellatlantic.net> wrote: > > H > >I am working with the terminal i/o function modifiers and want to addD > >text-data to the existing input stream when the user presses a PF? > >function key. I believe i need to use TRM$_INIOFFSET, anyone  > >have an example ? > >  > > # > >Basically, the user has a prompt  > > 
 > >prompt> > >  > >they type "show"  > >  > >prompt> show  > >  > >then they press the PF3 key,  > >  > >prompt> show <pf3>  > > I > >Which translates to the keyword "commlink". To the user they would see  > >  > >prompt> show commlink > > 5 > >with the input beginning just after the "commlink"  > H > My first thought would be to try this using the SMG routines.  SMG canG > handle key definitions and command recall.  I've found it to simplify G > input even in cases where I don't need fancy output.  I tend to avoid C > low-level communications with the terminal driver whenever I can.  >  > Just my two cents. >  > ---------------------------  > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.com  >  > 4 > ==================================================? I should have been clearer. Many moons ago i wrote a library to A mimick the exact SAME functionality as DCL define/key. Of course, B unlike DCL it has a callable interface. It's only failing, is what  i am currently trying to change.  C Basically, after the user presses a function/pf key, i position the A cursor back to the beginning of the line, and then re-display the B original prompt, plus the contents of the existing input, plus theA addition of the text, which resulted from pressing PF key, ie key 	 expansion   = What i dont like, which DCL does NOT do, is you can sometimes = see a momemtary flicker, as the prompt/data are re-displayed.   = DCL does not do this, and i believe the key is TRM$_INIOFFSET   $ But that is where i seem to be stuck  G so thanks for the thought, but i am already using the lower level stuff    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:42:43 +0200 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: DAP error( Message-ID: <8gugok$skq$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  > Last time I saw that was between a PDP 11/44 and a VAX 11/750.B DAP is Data Access Protocol. It means that the link is created butB for some reason no data is transferred. In the case of the PDP-11, DECnet/RSX was misconfigured. G I'd start on the VAX and look for logfiles. What version of VMS, DECnet  and pathworks does it run?  
 Hans Vlems  1 f_novelli@my-deja.com heeft geschreven in bericht   <8gtdt9$s3h$1@nnrp2.deja.com>...) >Trying to copy some files from a PC with 2 >PATHWORKS to a microVAX machine via DECNET, using >nft, I get the error:3 >Error opening file: node"account pwd"::remote_path 1 >Because DAP error reported by remote node xx/xxx 2 >On the remote host a file of 0 blocks is created.' >Anyone can help me solve this problem?  >Best regards, >  >Francesco Novelli
 >Elsag S.p.A.  >f.novelli@iol.it  >  > ' >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/  >Before you buy.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 03:49:11 GMT + From: Jonas Lindholm <jlindholm@nyc.rr.com>  Subject: Re: FTP Server Logs. * Message-ID: <393339F8.800EBF4E@nyc.rr.com>  E Do a SET FILE /VERSION=nn UCX$FTPSERVER.LOG;* where nn is the maximum + number of files you want exist at any time. @ You may need to do a purge with /KEEP=nn to reduce the number of< existing files after you set the maximum number of versions.   /Jonas Lindholm 
 OM Technology    Dean Richard Benson wrote:  	 > Hi all.  > ; > When I FTP to an account on the VMS system, a file called ? > UCX$FTPSERVER.LOG is created in the accounts login directory.  > F > These files can build up a lot, is there any way (except by manually6 > purging them), to limit the creation of these files? >  > Thanks >  > Dean   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:52:17 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> ' Subject: Re: General discussion comment - Message-ID: <39333AF1.7CF905CC@earthlink.net>    Bill Todd wrote:: > Should the environment become more receptive to balancedK > discussion of such input, I will happily revert to a less confrontational  > approach.   F As I've mentioned before, Bill, many of us do OpenVMS - period. That'sG why it's what we do best. Many of us tolerate other o.s.-es because the F systems we maintain must interface with them in one way or another. InC the case of the Chicago OpenVMS market, however, other o.s.-es have ) become a matter of professional survival.   4 Two points you seem unable (or unwilling) to accept:  & 1. You're messing with our livelihood.  G OpenVMS feeds, houses and supports us and our families. Assault that in ? *ANY* way, and you *WILL* provoke a confrontation - guaranteed.   A My advice? Knock off the confrontations. Period. They are neither  appropriate nor productive.   ? 2. There's room in the world for other o.s.-es - just not here.   , This is "comp.os.vms", not "comp.os-dujour".  @ If you want to proselytize on the merits, advantages, etc. otherF o.s.-es, feel free to participate in other newsgroups, but be preparedG to encounter an equal (or possibly greater) degree of bigotry regarding 8 those systems in those groups. It's not unique to c.o.v.   ...IMHO.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems " http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:+ http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:17:14 -0400 . From: Michael Austin <maustin@nc.prestige.net>$ Subject: Re: internet mail under VMS/ Message-ID: <3933088A.4CA86C6B@nc.prestige.net>   , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------4978582D54737D5880242DE2* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   M UCX 5.0 has a PPP client that you can use, or if you have DSL or Cable-Modem, H just connect to the ISP using their POP and SMTP outgoing mail services.  & Multinet also has a PPP dialer IIRC...   Michael Austin  " Softwaregroep TB/GA Gasunie wrote:   > Hello, > E > I'm fairly new to alpha and VMS and I want to connect a modem to an H > Alphastation 500 and do some internet mail with the MAIL utility and a > provider. N > I hope someone can point me in the right direction to do the following jobs: > > > 1. How to connect and configure a modem to a VMS workstation > K > 2. How to configure the TCP/IP services (UCX) so that I can email using a  > POP/SMTP server via PPP  > L > The system has to gather the email, dial-out to the provider and bring/get > the email. > N > If anyone has some tips to this or can point me to some reading to do this I > would be very happy. > 	 > Thanks, * >   Hans van der Veeke (Gasunie Groningen)  & --------------4978582D54737D5880242DE2- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;   name="maustin.vcf"  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit , Content-Description: Card for Michael Austin  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="maustin.vcf"    begin:vcard  n:Austin;Michael   tel;work:704-947-1089  x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Michael Austin, Inc 
 adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 + email;internet:michaelaustininc@hotmail.com  title:President  x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Michael E. Austin	 end:vcard   ( --------------4978582D54737D5880242DE2--   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 13:54:29 -0500 * From: Keith Brown <kbrown780@usfamily.net> Subject: Re: Jabber on OpenVMS? , Message-ID: <3932BCE5.67CD8AA5@usfamily.net>  
 "P.Lj" wrote:  > ( > The client seems to be a Win/xx thing. > B > Jabber in general, seems to be based upon XML, has capability to
 > communicate F > with AOL and ICQ, don't know if this is a potiental porting software
 > targeted= > for VMS ?   If there was a linux-x-client, then maybee.....  > 
 > >>>^P.Lj > & > alphaman@hsv.sungardtrust.com wrote: >  > > Hi all,  > > 5 > > Has anyone looked into porting Jabber to OpenVMS?  > > C > > For those who aren't familiar, Jabber is an open source instant J > > messaging client and SERVER (!) that is compatible with a long list ofJ > > other IM clients.  From what I've seen, it's about the only IM server,2 > > and one of the few open-source kits out there. > > K > > The potential for IM behind firewalls looks really attractive; I'd like 1 > > to see this on OpenVMS (no U*X in this shop).  > > " > > Server: http://www.jabber.org/ > > " > > Client: http://www.jabber.com/ > >  > > TIA,	 > > Aaron  > > --@ > > Aaron Sakovich                 SunGard Huntsville Operations@ > > 256 971-5808                   sakovich@hsv.sungardtrust.com@ > > Internet:                            http://www.alphant.com/@ > > Even my car has a website:  http://www.alphant.com/cristine/7 > > "Try not!  Do, or do not.  There is no try." (Yoda)  > > * > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy.    Yes, there is aLinux client    --   Keith Brown  kbrown780@usfamily.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:30:31 +0200 8 From: "Philippe Marechal" <philippe-marechal@wanadoo.fr>& Subject: Re: Monitor Display on V7.2-1% Message-ID: <8gujl5$r47$1@wanadoo.fr>   - This behavior is very simple to do it again :    $ cpt=0  $debut:  $ cpt=cpt+1 + $ open/read/write ficin sys$login:login.com  $bcl:  $ read/end=close ficin rec
 $ goto bcl $close: 
 $ close ficin  $ if cpt .gt. 1000 then exit 1 $ goto debut  * OVMS 7.1-2, AlphaServer 4100 5/300,  1 CPU Results L Node: NODE01                OpenVMS Monitor Utility     29-MAY-2000 12:06:140 Statistic: CURRENT             SYSTEM STATISTICSC                                                      Process States J           + CPU Busy (100)          -+         LEF:    10      LEFO:     0J           |aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa|         HIB:    20      HIBO:     0J CPU     0 +--------------------------+ 100     COM:     1      COMO:     0J           |aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa    |         PFW:     0      Other:    19           +--------------------------+         MWAIT:   0 B           Cur Top: USER1 (85)                            Total: 32  K           + Page Fault Rate (0)     -+         + Free List Size (229819) -+ K           ||                         |         |aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa    |  262KK MEMORY  0 +--------------------------+ 100   0 +--------------------------+ K           |                          |         |                          |  65K K           +--------------------------+         + Modified List Size (606) +            Cur Top:  (0)   K           + Direct I/O Rate (29)    -+         + Buffered I/O Rate (58)  -+ K           |aaaaaaaaaaaa              |         |aaaaaaaaaa                | K I/O     0 +--------------------------+ 60    0 +--------------------------+  150 K           |aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa|         |aaaaaaaaa                 | K           +--------------------------+         +--------------------------+ B           Cur Top: USER1 (227)                 Cur Top: USER1 (57)  & I have the same result on all my GS140K I Think that IO with USER1 are done most on VIOC cache and this behavior is  connected to this.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:02:07 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>" Subject: Re: Physical memory usage- Message-ID: <3932B09F.8E18FFBB@tsoft-inc.com>    Markus Nopp wrote: > 2 > where and how can i see how much physical memory > a process is using ? > 
 > Markus Nopp  >  > nopp@racon-linz.at > http://www.racon-linz.at  ? With suitable privs, if required, SHOW PROCESS /CONT /ID=<????>0  : where <????> is the process ID of the process in question.   Dave   -- n4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596; 170 Grimplin Road               E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com. Vanderbilt, PA  15486u   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:35:47 -0500 / From: Scott Vieth <svieth@ameritech.net.nospam>M Subject: Re: Schedulingn4 Message-ID: <39333713.F2139B4B@ameritech.net.nospam>   Andy wrote:s  L > I am currently migrating several Oracle databases from unix onto open vms. >lJ > I was wondering if someone could tell me how I would go about schedulingE > jobs within this o/s. The equivalent of the 'cron' command in unix?e  L As the other replies have mentioned, SUBMIT will work for simple scheduling.K If you're looking for a heavy-duty solution for scheduling on OpenVMS, takem a look at JAMS:   * http://JAMS.Argent-Software.com/index.html  3 We've been running it for years and it works great.-  G Also, Argent's NT scheduling product is pretty nice.  We're starting to: use it on our NT servers.C  
 -Scott :^)   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:47:21 GMT / From: Hans.Bachner@altavista.net (Hans Bachner)7 Subject: Re: Setting password + Message-ID: <3932bad4.22004580@news.aon.at>   J "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nospam.met.co.nz> wrote on Mon, 29 May 2000 10:48:04 +1200:e  J >Has anyone invented a way to set your password, linux password, and/or nt= >password with a niffy little command procedure (or similer)?a >t >Or any way arounmd? >r >Antonya  B With "single signon" you can at least synchronize OpenVMS and NT.    Hope this helps,    : ---------------- speaking only for myself ---------------- Hans Bachner Compaq Computer AustriaS+ Compaq Customer Services - Software Supporto E-Mail: Hans.Bachner@compaq.com-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:54:47 -0500 / From: Scott Vieth <svieth@ameritech.net.nospam>s# Subject: Re: Shareware: txt2pdf PROc4 Message-ID: <39333B87.D248BD20@ameritech.net.nospam>   Fred Flame wrote:8   > sanface wrote:A > > txt2pdf 3.x PRO is a very important evolution of txt2pdf 3.x. + > > We distribute only executable versions.iK > > At the moment we distribute Windows, Linux, Solaris executable, you canaI > > ask us other UNIX executables (AIX, HP-UX) or the original PERL code.  >r. > Now why do you send this ad to comp.os.VMS ?  9 Because there are VMS shops who use the SANFACE software.a* Did you even look at the SANFACE web site?  ' > > Simpler to install, simpler to use.n >i8 > Try the VMS "PRODUCT" command. This is simpler to use.  E Are you trying to be an asshole on purpose or were you born this way?   G > > The data from our forms (HTML, PDF, Flash) will become pleasing PDFe > > documents. >c, > But not pleasing to the eyes of VMS users.  C Speak for yourself, butt-face.  Did you think that maybe a VMS shopS? might want to take output from their VMS systems and convert itY to PDF?   H > $500? FIVE HUNDRED? I find it hard to believe that anybody with commonH > sense wants to convert a readable text file into incompatible PDF. But/ > who is going to pay 500 bucks for this $#;+ ?D  ! At $500, this product is a steal.    > Waste of bandwidth.6  1 No, asshole, *you* are a waste of bandwidth and a  waste of good air.  J This message really touched a nerve with me because txt2pdf is a darn good pieces of software.  N Please ignore the rantings of Fred Flamer.  The folks at SANFACE have a pretty  G good product and are very open to suggestions for product enhancements.p   -Scott ViethA this doesn't represent the views of my employer, blah, blah, blah   G p.s.  If anyone wants to seriously discuss how we use txt2pdf, email meT offline.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 16:51:41 -0400 - From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@golden.net>w# Subject: System DECW console lockedt, Message-ID: <8gule8$g5j$1@cougar.golden.net>  H I had to crash the processes running on our system console that uses decJ windows.  I know there is a way to restart that console without rebooting, but I cannot remember.  5 I thought there was some executable that could be run    ------------------------------   Date: 29 May 2000 21:14:40 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)5' Subject: Re: System DECW console lockeda' Message-ID: <8gumk0$fab$1@joe.rice.edu>   , Jerry Alan Braga (jabraga@golden.net) wrote:J : I had to crash the processes running on our system console that uses decL : windows.  I know there is a way to restart that console without rebooting, : but I cannot remember.  7 : I thought there was some executable that could be runo  " Is this what you're thinking of ?:  #   @SYS$MANAGER:DECW$STARTUP RESTART   4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:25:31 -0500l, From: "Glenn C. Everhart" <Everhart@GCE.com>. Subject: Re: Tru64 Unix Moving to Open Source?' Message-ID: <39327DDB.59B29F76@GCE.com>    Keith Brown wrote: >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > >e > > Keith Brown wrote: > > > ? > > > http://www.crn.com/sections/news/news.asp?ArticleID=17020d > > >iF > > > I'm not sure what this means to Compaq, though it seems they may= > > > have some trouble differentiating Tru64 from Linux. Anyy > > > comments?u > > >o > > > -- > > >h > > > Keith BrownG > > > kbrown780@usfamily.net > >cF > > As the Chicago area OpenVMS market is all but a happy memory, I'veJ > > turned to Linux as a way to help secure my future until retirement, orE > > until I find a new livelihood (probably either public speaking or ! > > rehabbing foreclosure homes).e > >iJ > > To me, Tru64 - and DU before it - is a solution without a problem. I'mJ > > sure others will disagree. If parts of it go open-source, well, it may  > There is a Linux version that runs entirely in user mode also.> It is conceivable that porting that might go a long way toward< providing an environment in which random Linux apps might be8 runnable, without needing separate ports for each unless  additional speedup were desired.    I > > provide a clue to someone who is currently wondering what Linux needshG > > but doesn't currently have. Other than that, I don't see the value.s > >PL > > For my money, I would think a more profitable approach would be to focus? > > on the market for Linux app.'s, then port those to OpenVMS.e > >l > > ...IMHO. > >n > > -- > > David J. Dachterae > > dba DJE Systems & > > http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/ > >t> > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:/ > > http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/vms/soho/o > > > I agree with your assessment. I have been spending some time: > playing with Linux-Mandrake and have found there is some> > excellent software out there for Linux. Some of it should be > portable to OpenVMS. >  > --
 > Keith Brownt > kbrown780@usfamily.net   ------------------------------    Date: 29 May 2000 16:05:46 -04004 From: "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com>6 Subject: Re: VAX VMS 7.2 Bug? ; backup/image/(no)alias, Message-ID: <B55845DC-57E60F@165.247.41.201>  H On Mon, May 29, 2000 3:02 AM, John Santos <jasantos@ultranet.com> wrote:  & >... this reminds me of an old problemF >with incorrect directory backlinks that used to cause problems in theE >V5.x days.  I remember the upgrade manuals used to warn you to checkD5 >for something (maybe in $ dump/header/block=count=0 eF >sys$sysdevice:[000000]vms$common.dir? checking the directory backlinkF >was to [000000], rather than [SYSn.]?)  There was an elaborate method= >of repairing the problem, mostly a series of renames, IIRC. B  F Before upgrading from 5.5-2 to 7.1, I had to deal with this problem onE a microvax.  It was much more messed up than the example described. IRC think it had been subjected to the sick backlink problem, and then oF upgraded once or twice.  It was REALLY weird.  And it worked perfectlyB for years.  I took the time to fix everything before upgrading.  I2 didn't want to test the limits of directory chaos.  G This BACKUP/NOALIAS issue is getting more confusing all the time.  EachTE new version of the manual confuses me more.  The documentation folks PC really need to expalain 1) exactly when to use /alias and /noalias, F 2) exactly how to make a perfect backup copy of a disk, and 3) exactly( how to do a perfect restore of a backup.  F I used to think /noalias was only needed to RESTORE image backups made> by a slightly sick version of backup from version 6.something.  D Why would I want to make a copy of the system disk that doesn't have all the aliases?     ---------------------------n Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comn   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 10:06:11 +1000 4 From: Huw Davies <Huw.Davies@kerberos.davies.net.au>6 Subject: Re: VAX VMS 7.2 Bug? ; backup/image/(no)aliasD Message-ID: <4.3.1.2.20000530100227.01c50f00@kerberos.davies.net.au>   >w > > > The VMS 7.2 manual says: > > >eK > > > "Specifying the /IMAGE qualifier without also specifying /NOALIAS canaJ > > > result in incomplete disk or file restoration operations. Therefore,K > > > Compaq strongly recommends that you specify /NOALIAS with /IMAGE when / > > > performing image mode backup operations."s  I Am I the only one to be concerned that a piece of magic that I have been i0 using successfully for the last 20 years, namely  3      $ backup/image/fast sys$sysdevice: backup$disko  L may no longer work correctly? (I know that the /fast is redundant, but I've L been typing it that way for the last 20 years and I can hardly stop myself, J even in e-mails). Of course, I'm fairly sure the above command would have J failed under V2.x as sys$sysdevice wouldn't have been defined either, but  you get the point.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:06:07 -0400a2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>6 Subject: Re: VAX VMS 7.2 Bug? ; backup/image/(no)alias7 Message-ID: <200005292206_MC2-A6C3-6F50@compuserve.com>f  H         No, you are not the only one to be concerned!  It's not only theJ possibility that the BACKUP utility may be broken but also the fact that = I J had no suspicion that this might have happened until this thread started.=    J         It was only last week that I brought up my first OpenVMS/Alpha V7= .2 system.  Now I realize thati; a.  My backup of a week's work may be no more than garbage.n> b.  I don't know how to be certain that I get a usable backup.  J         And just when the memory of the VMS V5.2 BACKUP debacle had final= ly begun to fade!E Remember the "cumulative" backup patch?  The one that was added to ort7 revised about every three weeks for two or three years?o  J         Could someone from VMS Engineering please let us know what's goin= gM on here?    " Message text written by Huw Davies >> > > > The VMS 7.2 manual says: > > > J > > > "Specifying the /IMAGE qualifier without also specifying /NOALIAS c= anJ > > > result in incomplete disk or file restoration operations. Therefore= , J > > > Compaq strongly recommends that you specify /NOALIAS with /IMAGE wh= en/ > > > performing image mode backup operations."   J Am I the only one to be concerned that a piece of magic that I have been =  0 using successfully for the last 20 years, namely  3      $ backup/image/fast sys$sysdevice: backup$disko  J may no longer work correctly? (I know that the /fast is redundant, but I'= ve  J been typing it that way for the last 20 years and I can hardly stop mysel= f,  J even in e-mails). Of course, I'm fairly sure the above command would have=  =  J failed under V2.x as sys$sysdevice wouldn't have been defined either, but=  =   you get the point.   <n   ------------------------------   Date: 30 May 2000 04:00:40 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)m6 Subject: Re: VAX VMS 7.2 Bug? ; backup/image/(no)alias' Message-ID: <8gved8$c27$1@joe.rice.edu>t  5 Huw Davies (Huw.Davies@kerberos.davies.net.au) wrote:-   : >-  : > > > The VMS 7.2 manual says: : > > > M : > > > "Specifying the /IMAGE qualifier without also specifying /NOALIAS canRL : > > > result in incomplete disk or file restoration operations. Therefore,M : > > > Compaq strongly recommends that you specify /NOALIAS with /IMAGE when,1 : > > > performing image mode backup operations."o  K : Am I the only one to be concerned that a piece of magic that I have been a2 : using successfully for the last 20 years, namely  5 :      $ backup/image/fast sys$sysdevice: backup$diskn  N : may no longer work correctly? (I know that the /fast is redundant, but I've N : been typing it that way for the last 20 years and I can hardly stop myself, L : even in e-mails). Of course, I'm fairly sure the above command would have L : failed under V2.x as sys$sysdevice wouldn't have been defined either, but  : you get the point.  K No, you are not the only one who's concerned about such changes in backup, M as well as analyze/error_log.a  E The change in incremental backups that was included in VMS 6.2, IIRC, D for Pathworks for MAC, was the start of the changes.  Wasn't PW for  MACs retired after that ?,    4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:24:28 -0500s* From: Keith Brown <kbrown780@usfamily.net>5 Subject: Re: ver 7.1 Openvms will run on the new Ds20a, Message-ID: <3932C3EC.BE34766B@usfamily.net>   Horse Nuts wrote:D > / > Will ver 7.1 Openvms will run on the new Ds20e= > we have received. There may be a minimum limit and if so wee= > need to know the version. If the version needs upgrading ita* > may affect other software running there. >  > Thanks    @ I have been running OpenVMS 7.1-2 on a DS20 for about 10 months. No problems so far.c -- : Keith Brownl kbrown780@usfamily.net   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 01:27:22 GMTi$ From: Ed Wilts <ewilts@mediaone.net>5 Subject: Re: ver 7.1 Openvms will run on the new Ds20 , Message-ID: <393318FA.5D9B2FC5@mediaone.net>   Keith Brown wrote: > B > I have been running OpenVMS 7.1-2 on a DS20 for about 10 months. > No problems so far.u  D And I've been working with Compaq for over 2 months to get our DS20sH actually working in our cluster without crashing HSJ-50 controllers.  WeF have not succeeded yet although Compaq does seem to be working hard to resolve the issues.    	.../EdL   -- 1 Ed Wilts Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:ewilts@mediaone.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 07:33:55 +02001> From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>5 Subject: Re: ver 7.1 Openvms will run on the new Ds20 3 Message-ID: <8gvjp0$1joo$1@s2.feed.news.oleane.net>   1 "Ed Wilts" <ewilts@mediaone.net> wrote in message & news:393318FA.5D9B2FC5@mediaone.net... > Keith Brown wrote: > > D > > I have been running OpenVMS 7.1-2 on a DS20 for about 10 months. > > No problems so far.  > F > And I've been working with Compaq for over 2 months to get our DS20sJ > actually working in our cluster without crashing HSJ-50 controllers.  WeH > have not succeeded yet although Compaq does seem to be working hard to > resolve the issues.   J Did you look at the console parameter SCSI_POLL (mentionned in the cluster manual)?C I had a problem with 2 PWS433 crashing alone under the SRM console,a# due to incorrect SCSI_POLL setting.    Jean-Franois Marchal- X9000 - LYON     >- > .../Ed >- > --
 > Ed Wilts > Mounds View, MN, USA > mailto:ewilts@mediaone.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:17:16 -0400-, From: taterskins@patriot.net (Ramon L. Tate) Subject: Re: War Stories ?D Message-ID: <taterskins-ya023480002905002117160001@news.patriot.net>  M In article <39318317.5538BFC9@netscapeonline.co.uk>, mpatt@bigfoot.com wrote:.  	 > Hi All,-I >         When I worked for DEC (yes before it was Q'd) there was a Notes G > conference (similar system to Usenet) called War Stories, which was agH > repository for old anecdotes and stupid mistakes that have happened inI > the computing world over the years. Does anyone know if there's anthing % > similar available on the Internet ?   K The closest thing I know would be the comp.risks news group archives. TheseOI are available from the web interface (http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/) as.? well as DejaVu. Always interesting - and often scary - reading!-   -- a
 Ramon L. Tatep	 Casa Maa = taterskins@patriot.net   "Skin" that "tater" before replying!    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.300 ************************