1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 01 Sep 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 488       Contents: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Big AlphaServer Sale$ C system service call style questionP Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High    Noon (P Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (CenP Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (CenP Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (CenP Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (CenP Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (CenP Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (CenP Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (CenP Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000HighNoon (Centr CETS2000- Hotel Reservations  Re: CETS2000- Hotel Reservations$ RE: DCL cross referencer / analyzer?8 Re: DECWindows ends abruptly, no login prompt returns...+ Re: e-mail from Exchange server to VMS mail + Re: e-mail from Exchange server to VMS mail $ Free No-Repay Grants, $500 - $50,000 gnupg 1.0.2 ported Re: gnupg 1.0.2 ported2 Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD2 Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD2 Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD' Interesting FTP file corruption problem # Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out? ' Jupiter (was Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?)  Re: kill nslookup  LPD printing to a Xerox265ST  Re: LPD printing to a Xerox265ST) Re: Oracle/VMS (in the US) teleconference ) Re: Oracle/VMS (in the US) teleconference + Re: Possible OS/2 for the Vax (as promised)  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  SCSI Tape drive  Re: SCSI Tape drive  SCSI Tape drive  Stop programme Re: Stop programme! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist # Re: Terseness (was Re: DHCP server) 5 Re: variable number of arguments (DEC Basic or Macro)  Re: Vax/Alpha reports onto PC's = Who wants to be a millionaire??                         14755  Re: WORD viewer for VMS   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:18:05 -0700 $ From: Mark Sun <marksun@genetek.com>! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale + Message-ID: <39AEAF6D.ED271DA9@genetek.com>    Bill Todd wrote:   > > ? > > >>> It doesn't include small scale technical computing, <<<  > > J > > While OVMS obviously does not dominate the WS industry, take a look atL > > http://www.genetek.com/ - they have an extremely competitive workstationM > > offering (on OpenVMS) because it takes advantage of many of the Alpha and N > > OpenVMS specific features. Floating point 64bit performance is a killer onK > > the Alpha and their seismic solution takes advantage of these features.  > J > Why they chose Alpha seems obvious.  It would be interesting to find outN > exactly why they chose VMS over Tru64 (Linux wasn't an option back when theyG > developed their application), which one would assume would be equally  > competitive in performance.  > M > By the way, please list the 'OpenVMS specific features' they take advantage K > of:  I scanned their Web site and found no mention whatsoever of VMS, let J > alone any of its features they need.  In fact, I would have assumed they0 > were using Tru64 if you hadn't said otherwise.  N OpenVMS is not mentioned on Genetek's web site because it is irrelevant to theM geoscientists that use our products.  I can't say much on this except that we J chose OpenVMS for many reasons, mainly because it is easy to maintain, hasP continued support and development from a single vendor (not committee based) andF has features that make it more cost effective in a TOC sense than UNIX
 offerings.  L We didn't want our clients to have an IT guy around just to support his UNIXN system.  With OpenVMS, we have large clients where the IT department never hasO had to spend supporting our workstations.  We also have very small clients that H have no IT department that requires little or no support, because of the stability of OpenVMS.    Mark Sun Genetek Earth Research marksun@genetek.com  http://www.genetek.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 12:39:54 -0700 $ From: Mark Sun <marksun@genetek.com>! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale + Message-ID: <39AEB48A.A297E831@genetek.com>   - > What really sells systems is not clustering F > or performance or fast processors or even reliability, when it comesC > down to it.  What really sells is applications, what can you _do_ , > with the hardware/software being offerred. >  > -Jordan Henderson  > jordan@greenapple.com   S I agree completely.  Applications are what moves hardware which is why Compaq needs P to participate with software developers in marketing their technology, together.  Q We recently held a joint booth with Compaq at a very large geoscience trade show. Q We were presenting our Alpha-based geoscience technology and had the booth filled S with people looking at the projected images.  Although there was a small display of M hardware ("1U" Intel servers), no one was interested in that hardware at all.   Q But the Alpha hardware issue was made public when geoscientists asked how we were Q able to attain such high performance and build real-time visualization technology E that our much larger Sun-based competitors were unable to accomplish.   = That was when we started talking about Alpha and OpenVMS!  :)   Q Near the end of the show, Sun and SGI reps were milling about our booth basically N asking when we're going to port to their platforms.  Apparently delegates were+ lobbying them to get us on their platforms.   R By the way, posters entitled "Alpha is Everywhere" and "Alpha: Unstoppable..." areO around.  I snagged one during the Alpha road show touring Canada (GS160 running S Galaxy on wheels!)  Great posters... maybe Alpha/OpenVMS marketing can get these to  the clients and clients to be.   Mark Sun Genetek Earth Research marksun@genetek.com  http://www.genetek.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:26:26 GMT * From: Forrest Cahoon <fcahoon@my-deja.com>- Subject: C system service call style question ) Message-ID: <8ompie$p7l$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   E I'm working on a VMS patch for some free software, and I need to know * how to best write my system service calls.  C The call I want to use uses the item_list_3 structure to pass data. > While I've seen lots of VMS C code that define standard systemC structures like this for their own use, naturally I would prefer to 4 include a system header which defines the structure.  @ I found iledef.h, which has the structure I need, but there someF strangeness I don't understand as well.  In abbreviated form (omitting7 #pragmas and the actual structure), it looks like this:    #ifdef __NEW_STARLET    typedef struct _ile3 { ,      ( ... structure definition omitted ...)
    } ILE3; #else /* __OLD_STARLET */     typedef struct _ile3 { ,      ( ... structure definition omitted ...)
    } ile3; #endif  A At first I tried to declare an array of ILE3s in my code, but the H compiler didn't know what an ILE3 was, so I tried ile3, and that worked.A It strikes me a little strange, because I'm running a very recent G compiler & OS (DEC C V6.0-001 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2), so I would have # guessed I had __NEW_STARLET.  Nope!   B So how do I use this in code I want to be maximally distributable?  F I realize there are several things that would work (if others have the same iledef.h as me):    struct _ile3 item_list[2];   or   #ifdef __NEW_STARLET ILE3 item_list[2]; #else  ile3 item_list[2]; #endif  + would both work, but they are kind of ugly. C Either would be less ugly (IMHO) than re-defining the structure for 9 myself -- the most common approach in VMS code I've seen.   % What is the recommended coding style?     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:51:13 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> Y Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High    Noon ( - Message-ID: <39AF19A1.536907D3@earthlink.net>    Information CETS2000 wrote:  >  > Jeff,  > M > The main menu page now has a link called "Personalized Scheduler." It links N > to a page that asks you to come back after noon today.   It's pretty obviousN > on the flash site, but it has an arrow to the right side of it that could beE > confusing, so I have asked that it be changed to a button that says K > "Schedule Your Workshops and Breakouts Here." Also, we are adding another N > button below that one saying "Sessions at a glance" which will link to a PDFJ > of a spreadsheet showing the breakout sessions in a grid.  These buttons< > should be available on the flash site and the static site.   Um, may I offer a suggestion?   ! We're inside the 6-week mark now.   H Let's can the "whiz-bang" web site and get the content out, even if thatD means doing it in plain old boring static HTML. It's easier, faster,> more reliable, and doesn't depend on any proprietary software.  G Let's just focus on getting the content out. We've got all next year to  plan and code for CETS2001.   G By the way - can the music, too. It's DAMNED annoying! ...especially on  a dial-up link!    ...IMHO.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:46:20 GMT  From: dalecoy@my-deja.com Y Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (Cen ( Message-ID: <8om5l4$e2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>  E My PC works -- but I still can't figure out how to get registered for G the hands-on sessions.  After a couple of hours, things got good enough F that I could get to where I was SUPPOSED to get (I think), but I stillA can't figure out where to find the hands-on session registration.   D This is NOT a good advertisement for Compaq, or for DECUS/Encompass.  G This is, frankly, the absolutely most confusing registration experience C that I have ever had in 40 years of going to conferences.  A lot of F times, things "just don't work".  However, this time, they ALMOST workD but not quite.  Or they are so confusing that I can't figure out howF to make them work.  Which is, of course, much worse -- I spend lots ofC wasted time on something that perhaps is broken, and perhaps isn't.       0 In article <009EF6D5.86FFFC68@SendSpamHere.ORG>,    system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:G > In article <8olujs$n8j$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, dalecoy@my-deja.com writes: H > >I don't see it either, using the latest Netscape.  Of course, there's- > >still 15 minutes before the "race" starts.  > F > Well, the race is on and those of us which DO NOT use PeeCees cannotF > even get our feet into the starting blocks!  My personal opinion andF > I'm sure is the opinion of others is that this web based CETS regis-F > tration system has been a fiasco!  Of course, all of those propellerD > beanie donned prepubescent PeeCee weenies from the NT Wizards campF > now merged into DECUS will have no problem turning this event into aG > propeller beanie donned prepubescent PeeCee weenies convention.  Good 7 > luck.  I'm beginning to feel that I've wasted my $$$.  >  > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2000 18:08:10 GMT= From: jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818) Y Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (Cen , Message-ID: <8om6ua$16va@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>  m In article <8olnq7$agb$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>, "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> writes:  >Jeff, > L >The main menu page now has a link called "Personalized Scheduler." It linksM >to a page that asks you to come back after noon today.   It's pretty obvious M >on the flash site, but it has an arrow to the right side of it that could be D >confusing, so I have asked that it be changed to a button that saysJ >"Schedule Your Workshops and Breakouts Here." Also, we are adding anotherM >button below that one saying "Sessions at a glance" which will link to a PDF I >of a spreadsheet showing the breakout sessions in a grid.  These buttons ; >should be available on the flash site and the static site.  >  >--Buddy    J Is this "personalized scheduler" available for people who are NOT going toJ attend?  That is, use it to build and print a desired schedule even if I'm not registered?   N While my supervisor is scheduled to attend CETS2000, there aren't enough fundsC left in *my* training/travel budget for this year for me to go too.   L I'd like to go thru the breakouts and prepare a schedule of what I'd like toE attend anyhow, to provide a listing to him on what things I think are K important enough that he should ignore his preferences and attend mine (the M goal here is to either convince him to indeed attend my preferences and bring N back all the details, or to even possibly convince him there's enough stuff toI make him decide that funding/sending me there is worthwhile afterall ;-).   M +-"Never Underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of mag tapes"--+ N | J.Lance Wilkinson ("Lance")            InterNet:  Lance.Wilkinson@psu.edu | M | Systems Design Specialist - Lead       AT&T:      (814) 865-1818          | M | Library Computing Services             FAX:       (814) 863-3560          | M | E3 Paterno Library                     "I'd rather be dancing..."         | M | Penn State University         A host is a host from coast to coast,       | M | University Park, PA 16802     And no one will talk to a host that's close | M | <postmaster@psulias.psu.edu>  Unless the host that isn't close            | M | VMS GopherMeister             Is busy, hung or dead.                      | M +------"He's dead, Jim. I'll get his tricorder. You take his wallet."-------+ 9                  [apologies to DeForest Kelly, 1920-1999] 3 <A Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu">home page</a>  J <a Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu/junkdec.htm">junk mail declaration</a>   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2000 15:21:52 -05001 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) Y Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (Cen + Message-ID: <KswAMN5Fg5Xe@eisner.decus.org>   l In article <8okjhc$ggf$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>, "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> writes:N > Note you will competing against over 2000 other registered attendees at thisM > point.  Assuming registration continues growing at the current rate it will N > be over 5,000 by the time of Symposium.  These are full conference attendees0 > and does not include Tradeshow only attendees. > 5 > You must be registered to sign up for a workshop...   F Say, this "application" is almost as much fun as trying three times toI register for DECUS\\\\\CETS via the web, only to discover I have to do it F all over again via the phone and then get the bogus credit card numberE bounced because I want to pay by P.O. I assume the goal of this whole K nightmare process is to drive away as many loyal DECUS members as possible.   H BTW, I can neither download the application to run on my peecee nor do II have a browzer that allows corruption via cookie enabled applications. It E seemed to work in spite of the lack of crumbs. We'll see in a month I  guess...   	Bob Kaplow	  J postmaster@127.0.0.1 jeshuel@earthlink.net webmaster@global-prosperity.comD paul@still.zzn.com strategies1221f@hotmail.com Blindfury1010@aol.com   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2000 20:46:11 GMT= From: jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818) Y Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (Cen/, Message-ID: <8omg6j$1fsk@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>  l In article <8om6ua$16va@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>, jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818) writes:  K >Is this "personalized scheduler" available for people who are NOT going tokK >attend?  That is, use it to build and print a desired schedule even if I'ma >not registered?  F 	Aha.  Yes, apparently it is, enough for my purposes.  Took incrediblyG 	long to find one of the three download links stable enough to completelG 	the download (working down the page, no luck at all until the 3rd link D 	[the mirror site]; download completed w/ a corrupted .exe, so startF 	over; about an hour later finally managed to get a complete download, 	again from the 3rd link).  ? 	Got it downloaded and installed.  Looks a lot like the sessionnE 	scheduler used at BRAINSHARE (at least the one time I attended that,nB 	March 1998).  So while others have reported it being hard to use,A 	I was able to intuitively run it just fine.  Built up a schedulefA 	that represents what I'd attend *IF* I were allowed to attend.  l  N         Next I needed to print it out so my supervisor, who's scheduled to go,I         can be given a list of sessions I would really appreciate if he'd          attend in my stead.  y  J         Then, PROBLEM:  the program loops during printing when the KEYNOTEK         ADDRESS at 8:30 Tuesday is included in the schedule. Cancel doesn'ttI         work, have to do ALT-CTRL-DELETE and cancel the process (I'm on aeG         WinNT 4 SP4 workstation), then DELETE that 8:30 Tuesday KeynotecM         address, print (successfully), reinsert the keynote address, save the I         schedule, and hand-mark the printed copy w/ the keynote address.    K         Likely a buggered up database entry for the Keynote in my opinion. r+         Anybody else experience this issue?g  M +-"Never Underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of mag tapes"--+ N | J.Lance Wilkinson ("Lance")            InterNet:  Lance.Wilkinson@psu.edu | M | Systems Design Specialist - Lead       AT&T:      (814) 865-1818          |,M | Library Computing Services             FAX:       (814) 863-3560          | M | E3 Paterno Library                     "I'd rather be dancing..."         |sM | Penn State University         A host is a host from coast to coast,       |vM | University Park, PA 16802     And no one will talk to a host that's close | M | <postmaster@psulias.psu.edu>  Unless the host that isn't close            | M | VMS GopherMeister             Is busy, hung or dead.                      |sM +------"He's dead, Jim. I'll get his tricorder. You take his wallet."-------+e9                  [apologies to DeForest Kelly, 1920-1999]@3 <A Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu">home page</a>  J <a Href="http://perdita.lcs.psu.edu/junkdec.htm">junk mail declaration</a>   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2000 17:51:38 -05001 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) Y Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (Cene+ Message-ID: <wMd0+9DdC0iO@eisner.decus.org>i  l In article <8om6ua$16va@r02n01.cac.psu.edu>, jlw@psulias.psu.edu (j.lance wilkinson, (814) 865-1818) writes:L > Is this "personalized scheduler" available for people who are NOT going toL > attend?  That is, use it to build and print a desired schedule even if I'm > not registered?n > P > While my supervisor is scheduled to attend CETS2000, there aren't enough fundsE > left in *my* training/travel budget for this year for me to go too.  > N > I'd like to go thru the breakouts and prepare a schedule of what I'd like toG > attend anyhow, to provide a listing to him on what things I think are-M > important enough that he should ignore his preferences and attend mine (theeO > goal here is to either convince him to indeed attend my preferences and bringrP > back all the details, or to even possibly convince him there's enough stuff toK > make him decide that funding/sending me there is worthwhile afterall ;-).0  K Similarly, while I'm attendign, I leave behind at least a dozen colleagues. K Will there be a session CDROM like in the past. Will it include the brakout J sessions, things like the DFWlug sessions, and other things other than theH traditional technical sessions. These have been left out in the past. ItJ would be VERY nice if they could be included. When in doubt, include it on the session notes CD!A  H My company has no problem paying the extra $89 each for a handful of theH session notes CDs. I've even got them to spring for the ones they didn'tL send me to. It's not as good as being there, but one single gem from that CD- is worth much more than the cost of the disk.r   	Bob Kaplow	  J postmaster@127.0.0.1 jeshuel@earthlink.net webmaster@global-prosperity.comD paul@still.zzn.com strategies1221f@hotmail.com Blindfury1010@aol.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:03:21 GMTsL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")Y Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (Cen 8 Message-ID: <009EF6E5.111A166B@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   DECUS folks:  J I'm using Netscape 4.73 on WNT and I see the personalized schedule button.  % I don't see any sessions-at-a-glance.r  G I can work with the web interface to see what's available at any given eJ hour/half-hour/fifteen-minute mark, but it would sure be nice if you couldL see on the overall schedule that things were hands-on workshops of which youI could only register for one, rather than having to follow the link to the: full description.s   -- Alan       O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056cM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210 O ===============================================================================t   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 00:29:38 -0400& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc>Y Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High Noon (Cenl3 Message-ID: <8onbf4$mpe$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>   C The last 12 hours have been just such a joyous experience (sigh)...:   ----- Original Message -----& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc> To: "CETS 2000 Exec Core Team") Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 12:20 AM-  Subject: Hands-On Scheduler mess  F IMO the Hands-On Interactive scheduling system is a mess.  The primaryG reason is if someone is interested in scheduling a Hands-On Interactive K Session they are not going to be thinking of let me work my way through the.H schedule and when something interesting pops up for a Hands-On session IK will schedule it.  That is the way it is presented to them.  What they wantaL is to select the Hands-On session and go right to scheduling it.  A criticalD key piece of information is missing - they aren't presented with the schedule list first.  L In fact the original message the attendee is sent (see below) doesn't give aK clue.  I invite everyone to try to go in a register for a specific Hands-OnsJ session via the web without reading my cheat sheet below.  You can join usK in entering a maze of twisty little passages (Digital heritage true techiesr" will know what that phrase means).  H I would like to strongly request a message be sent out ASAP that gives aK step by step approach to scheduling a Hands-On session.  This message wouldd) go to everyone we have Email address for.   H The message would read something like this (note: NONE of these step are2 obvious if you are going in for the first time)...  L Welcome to the CETS attendee scheduling system.  This system was designed toJ help you plan your whole week.  We realize at this point that you may onlyH wish to schedule the very special Hands-On Interactive Session that as a' registered attendee you have available.    WEB BASED SCHEDULING  --------------------------------   Step 1 -------C  $ You must register for CETS2000 at...  8 https://www.travelhq.com/register/cets2000/register.htm?   ...include the question mark   Step 2 -------u  I After registering you will receive a mail message from "Compaq EnterprisehE Technical Symposium Travel Headquarters <CETS2000@travelhq.com>" with1 your...h   User ID:	 Password:0  Confirmation Code  (Session ID):  ' ...you will need all three codes above.S     Step 3 -------a  J Select the Hands-On Interactive Session you wish to register for by review the list at...  8 http://www.conferenceregistration.com/sessions/wshop.htm  + ...note the days and times it is available.i     Step 4 -------S  - Using your three codes from above login at.../  3 https://www.conferenceregistration.com/websched.htmt     Step 5 (One time only) -----------------------   K The system will now request your content information in order to notify youEL if there is a change.  This will not be used by Compaq, or any other vendor,I for any marketing purpose.  The is a recommended, but not required, step..     Step 6 -------x  K Register for the Hands-On Interactive Session. Click on the day tab for theNJ day it is offered. Click on the start time it is offered.  Scroll down andL find the session.  Note if there is a red "X" next to it meaning the session is already full.     PC BASED SCHEDULINGa  -----------------------------  $ someone else can write this section.    J BTW - The scheduling tool itself was very nicely done.  It is just that itJ is not a good solution to this problem.  It is like using the world's best hammer to put in a screw...n       Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.ccVE =====================================================================s ----- Original Message -----A From: "Compaq Enterprise Technical Symposium Travel Headquarters"v <CETS2000@travelhq.com>p To: <Jeff@Killeen.cc>o& Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 4:57 PM8 Subject: Compaq Enterprise Technical Symposium Scheduler     Dear Jeff Killeen,  J We would like to remind you that our Conference Scheduling Program becomesI available online beginning at noon (Central Time) on Thursday, August 31. H You can view the entire updated agenda, including all technical breakout, sessions and Hands-on Interactive Workshops.  L You MUST use the scheduling program to sign up for your Hands-on InteractiveG Workshop.  Although we have arranged for more workshops than last year,tJ seating is limited.   Don't miss out.  SIGN UP FOR YOUR WORKSHOP OF CHOICEG AS SOON AS POSSIBLE and schedule your other conference sessions.   YouraE conference badge will be swiped to allow you access to your scheduledi Hands-on Interactive Workshop.  A To access the Conference Scheduler visit the Conference Web Site:p   www.cets2000.com  L Click on the link entitled Schedule Your Workshops and Breakouts Here on the) main menu.  Instructions are on the site.t  B Use the information below to schedule sessions and/or register for
 workshops:   User ID:  xxxx-xxxxy   Password: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx  3 Confirmation Code  (Session ID):  xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxl  H PLEASE DISREGARD ANY PREVIOUS CONFIRMATION CODE INFORMATION YOU MAY HAVE- RECEIVED AND USE THE CONFIRMATION CODE ABOVE.V  K The scheduling application can also help plan your schedule for the week by F juggling breakouts, workshops and other sessions to find the best fit.F Please note that, unlike the Hands-on Interactive Workshops, technicalJ breakout sessions are "open" seating and do not require reservations.  ButK please include them as part of your schedule for your planning convenience.a  J Please print your schedule once you have completed the scheduling process.L If you need to make changes or print a schedule onsite at the symposium, youJ may do so at the Connecting Points Stations in strategic places throughout" the Los Angeles Convention Center.  - We look forward to seeing you in Los Angeles.g  * Compaq Enterprise Technical Symposium Team  2 Questions:  Email us at:  Information@CETS2000.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:22:44 -0400y& From: Ken Robinson <ksrobin@erenj.com>Y Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000HighNoon (Centr 7 Message-ID: <5.0.0.13.2.20000831161915.009c8020@clmail>g   I replying to myself...-  1 At 01:19 PM 08/31/2000 -0400, Ken Robinson wrote:0I >I've been waiting for the registration screen to work -- supposed to be lI >on  after 12:00 Central. It's after 1pm Eastern, so I should be able to t
 >see it  now.t  L The static page has been updated & I can finally see the registration page. L Now, after a brief glance at all the options, I can't seem to find anything L that looks like the old SAAG. That is an invaluable tool for scheduling. If H we have to print out the text and make up our own SAAG, that's going to  waste alot of time...    Ken Robinson   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:50:10 -0500c" From: Earl Lakia <lakia@ipact.com>% Subject: CETS2000- Hotel Reservations ) Message-ID: <39AE7EB2.9FE698AF@ipact.com>e  D So I registered but did not get a room or plane ticket.  Tried to go back andG do that, but the web page won't let me add a room.  The Symposia packetsA didn't include phone numbers so now I have to find them myselves.     Anyone else have these problems?   --
 Earl Lakia   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2000 16:55:58 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)d) Subject: Re: CETS2000- Hotel Reservations + Message-ID: <GGlGC4baw5p3@eisner.decus.org>a  N In article <39AE7EB2.9FE698AF@ipact.com>, Earl Lakia <lakia@ipact.com> writes:F > So I registered but did not get a room or plane ticket.  Tried to go
 > back andI > do that, but the web page won't let me add a room.  The Symposia packetyC > didn't include phone numbers so now I have to find them myselves.a  ; I signed up for a room reservation when I first registered.a> They said they would mail a hotel confirmation and a Symposium* confirmation.  So far it has not happened.  " > Anyone else have these problems?  > From the discussions it seems that nobody has exactly the same< problems.  The variety of problems exceeds the set of people willing to disclose them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:03:27 -0300q1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> - Subject: RE: DCL cross referencer / analyzer?fK Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AEA02@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>   H Yes, product is dead as far as I know, support I'd rather not comment in writing. - Darren   > ---------- > From: E > kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars[SMTP:kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars]r* > Sent: 	Thursday, August 31, 2000 3:56 PM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0 > Subject: 	RE: DCL cross referencer / analyzer? >  > In articleJ > <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AE9E9@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>, "Boyle,- > Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> writes:fI > > 	You may be thinking of DCLFast (aka Suzie).  It not too bad but very J > > basic and has trouble with things like symbols set up as commands.  It  > > belonged to Argent Software. > F > I got an email yesterday from someone pointing me to this. Seems the	 > productnL > is history, and the support from Argent was well, poor when it was around. >  > 	Bob Kaplow	 > L > postmaster@127.0.0.1 jeshuel@earthlink.net webmaster@global-prosperity.comF > paul@still.zzn.com strategies1221f@hotmail.com Blindfury1010@aol.com >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andoJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they L are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying  of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudauF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:50:30 -0400a5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>oA Subject: Re: DECWindows ends abruptly, no login prompt returns...e, Message-ID: <8om60n$eiui$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  , What is in the DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG file?  < Mark Sun wrote in message <39AC2246.A9A44142@genetek.com>... >Hi All! >iB >Thanks to anyone who can help us figure out why this intermittent >problem happens.n >rC >SYSTEM: VMS 7.2-1 on 667 MHz XP1000 with dual headed Elsa graphicsT >cards.d >yH >When we're dragging a window around, DECWindows abruptly shuts down allI >of our windows, brings up the grey backgrounds on both screens, and then % >fails to provide a login prompt box.w > D >Restarting DECWindows over the network with "$decw$startup restart"- >brings up a prompt box to log back in again.  >kI >This happens on different systems configured similarly and appears to behG >a resource problem, but I'm not sure which one.  Autogen has been run,h >without success.t >s. >Thanks for any ideas on solving this problem. >o >Marki   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:36:32 -0700e( From: "Russell Leathe" <russ@gordon.edu>4 Subject: Re: e-mail from Exchange server to VMS mail& Message-ID: <jlyr5.79$Xb5.1033@client>  / www.innosoft.com, PMDF supports an Exchange GW.f  * <dawnmoreton@my-deja.com> wrote in message" news:8oiqe2$7p$1@nnrp1.deja.com...F > Hi can anybody help me, we have a requirement to forward Exchange e-< > mail onto our vax's either via SMTP or FTP(into VMS mail). > Help !G > (We can send mail the other way from Vax to Exchange and into the bigt	 > world.)D
 > Regards, > Dawn >  >n( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 02:53:35 GMTw, From: alphaman-nix-spam@hsv.sungardtrust.com4 Subject: Re: e-mail from Exchange server to VMS mail) Message-ID: <8on5n8$719$1@nnrp1.deja.com>i  ( In article <8oiqe2$7p$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,    dawnmoreton@my-deja.com wrote:F > Hi can anybody help me, we have a requirement to forward Exchange e-< > mail onto our vax's either via SMTP or FTP(into VMS mail). > Help !G > (We can send mail the other way from Vax to Exchange and into the big 	 > world.) 
 > Regards, > Dawn   Hi Dawn,  D Well, first off -- don't bother with FTP.  That's kinda like using a hammer to pound a screw...  F Exchange v5.5 has IMS, the Internet Mail Server (?), included with it.G Since you've said that you can VMSmail to the Exchange server, my guesslG is you've got it installed and at least partially configured correctly.r  E The trick now is sending stuff the other way.  Really, that shouldn't-) be a big deal -- just address the messageoD as "vmsusername@vmshost.domain" and let it fly.  If that works, then> all you need to do is modify the accounts that want their mail@ forwarded to autoforward to the SMTP address as described above.  C If it doesn't work, we may need to investigate your entire Exchange0A config, so feel free to write to me (pull the -nix-spam out of my F address as posted here.)  There are some gotchas with sending email toC both SMTP and Exchange mailboxes from Lookout.... errr, Outlook (MS ? doesn't like people using mail facilities other than theirs, so(E messages sometimes disappear into the bit bucket or, if you're lucky,eB generate bounces, all for no reason whatsoever).  But since you'reE autoforwarding from the Exchange server, hopefully you won't see thatt particular problem.y  
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The portK still generates some compiler warnings - don't expect a clean build (Compaqo% C V6.2-007 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1). e  E Truth be told, I'm very unfamiliar with GnuPG and it would be good ifuG somebody who has already used it on some other platform could test it adG bit.  (In particular, I'm concerned about the way random information iso% generated, or not, on the VMS side.)    G In order to stay in compliance with the Fed's encryption regulations (InJ hope!) the port is supplied as an overlay which is installed on top of the4 regular GnuPG distribution.  You may pick it up at:   A     http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/pub/SOFTWARE/gnupg1_0_2_vms.zipr  D This zip archive contains no encryption code whatsoever - only build. instructions and a couple of accessory files.   E A copy of AAA_VMS_INSTALL.TXT from that archive follows my signature.q   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduh? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech y  J **************************************************************************  - 31-AUG-2000, David Mathog, mathog@caltech.edub  8 These notes describe how to install gnupg 1.0.2 on a VMSE system.  This port has not been extensively tested but it is known toiK perform the checks section of the build correctly.  (It is very unclear if t3 the rndvms.c function works - or ever gets called!)   7 1.  obtain from www.gnupg.org the 1.0.2 distribution ofy6     gnupg and unpack it on a disk (not too deep, lower0     than subdirectory level 3 may be a problem).  6 2.  set default to the top level of that distribution.   3.  Obtain the VMS port from d  A     http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/pub/SOFTWARE/gnupg1_0_2_vms.zipH  C     (Hopefully this is legal since this file contains no encryptionf     code itself.)   I 4.  Unpack it in the top level of the gnupg distribution.  You will find i     the following files:  )     AAA_VMS_INSTALL.TXT         This fileS1     AAA_VMS_PORT_NOTES.TXT      Notes on the portoA     GPG_MAN.HTML                GnuPG man page, converted to htmlt9     MAKE_VMS.COM                Build procedure for GnuPGo:     VMS_CONFIG.H                files needed for the build!     VMS_G10DEFS.H               " !     RNDVMS.C                    " !     VMS_CONSTRUCT.C             "=  H 5.  Edit the following files to obtain these diffs, where .C_DIST is the0     unmodified form from the gnupg distribution.  F $ diff PRGDISK:[SHARED.PROGRAMS.GNUPG.GNUPG-1_0_2.G10]g10.C g10.C_DIST ************; File PRGDISK:[SHARED.PROGRAMS.GNUPG.GNUPG-1_0_2.G10]G10.C;2d"   628           #if defined(__VMS)3   629             opt.homedir = "/SYS$LOGIN/gnupg";g!   630           #else /* __VMS */b+   631             opt.homedir = "~/.gnupg";A"   632           #endif /* __VMS */   633    634         #endif ******@ File PRGDISK:[SHARED.PROGRAMS.GNUPG.GNUPG-1_0_2.G10]G10.C_DIST;1)   628           opt.homedir = "~/.gnupg";r   629         #endif ************  T $ diff PRGDISK:[SHARED.PROGRAMS.GNUPG.GNUPG-1_0_2.G10]ENCR-DATA.C ENCR-DATA.C_DIST;1 ************A File PRGDISK:[SHARED.PROGRAMS.GNUPG.GNUPG-1_0_2.G10]ENCR-DATA.C;3e+   234   /*    size_t n, size = *ret_len; */ #   235       size_t size = *ret_len;l   236       int n;   237       int rc = 0;t ******F File PRGDISK:[SHARED.PROGRAMS.GNUPG.GNUPG-1_0_2.G10]ENCR-DATA.C_DIST;1&   234       size_t n, size = *ret_len;   235       int rc = 0;l ************  N $ diff PRGDISK:[SHARED.PROGRAMS.GNUPG.GNUPG-1_0_2.G10]KEYGEN.C KEYGEN.C_DIST;1 ************> File PRGDISK:[SHARED.PROGRAMS.GNUPG.GNUPG-1_0_2.G10]KEYGEN.C;2D   732   /*          if( (time_t)((ulong)(curtime+interval)) < 0 ) */C   733               if( (long int)((ulong)(curtime+interval)) < 0 )FF   734                   tty_printf(_("Your system can't display dates  beyond 2038.\n"  ******C File PRGDISK:[SHARED.PROGRAMS.GNUPG.GNUPG-1_0_2.G10]KEYGEN.C_DIST;1 A   732               if( (time_t)((ulong)(curtime+interval)) < 0 )iF   733                   tty_printf(_("Your system can't display dates  beyond 2038.\n"i ************    F For the next one the comma following 61 is removed - otherwise a huge  number of warnings resultl  F $ diff PRGDISK:[SHARED.PROGRAMS.GNUPG.GNUPG-1_0_2.G10]PACKET.H PACKET. H_DIST;1 ************> File PRGDISK:[SHARED.PROGRAMS.GNUPG.GNUPG-1_0_2.G10]PACKET.H;2I    52           PKT_COMMENT       =61  /* new comment packet (private) */a    53   } pkttype_t; ******C File PRGDISK:[SHARED.PROGRAMS.GNUPG.GNUPG-1_0_2.G10]PACKET.H_DIST;1gI    52           PKT_COMMENT       =61, /* new comment packet (private) */     53   } pkttype_t; ************   6.  Now build it with:  #     @MAKE_VMS             (regular) *     @MAKE_VMS  anything   (debug versions)   7.  Define a symbol for gnupgr   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2000 23:50:19 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: gnupg 1.0.2 ported , Message-ID: <8omqvr$3lr@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  a In article <8omcqi$nn1@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:a= >GnuPG 1.0.2, a PGP like program, has been ported to OpenVMS.h  K If you picked up a copy before   31-AUG-2000 16:47:47 Pacific Standard time,I get it again.  I've found and fixed a couple more bugs - including now ithF generates keys.  (But I still have not figured out the right syntax to5 get it to encrypt a message using one of these keys.)A   If anybody has an idea whatt  >   Please note that you don't have secure memory on this system  E means please share your thoughts.  This comes from the file secmem.c.>  K I suppose it's true to the extent that somebody with full priv's could readcE the live data out of the application, but it's hard to see how any OSt could prevent that!    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edup? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech yJ **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2000 19:42:52 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)p; Subject: Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CD , Message-ID: <8omcfs$10n9$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  ' In article <39A0BBAB.2A62E4AA@vrx.net>,o$  Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes: |> p; |> BTW: Compaq duty manager told me directly (and I quote):d\ |> "Having a fiche set means that you have the license... Having the set automatically means |> having the license..."f  D Well, I would imagine he was talking about a legally obtained copy.   " In an earlier post Beyonder wrote:M |> > but if you must know, I got the fiche off of ebay, where they can be hade= |> >for as little as $10 per set (PER set!). that's not much.-  E I doubt you told him you bought a bootleg copy on Ebay, which carriesrH absolutely no weight with Compaq's legal department.  I mean that's likeB saying you actually own a stolen car if you buy it from the thief.   |> bS |> > I've got to assume that if you are not aware of the specific license, then you U |> > don't have it.  Anybody that does have the license (not me) will also assume thelS |> > same, and even if they really wanted to give you a CD, it could create a large-T |> > legal problem for them.  There are probably quite a few people with the CDs whoR |> > would give you an old CD, except they probably aren't fond of paying lawyers,+ |> > and that is a probability if they did.Y |> yN |> Wrong again. I am completely aware of the licensing issues. I called CompaqS |> and spent several HOURS on the phone with them (after calling them, them callingf% |> me, back and forth several times).f  > Did you actually tell them you bought a bootleg copy on Ebay??F Having a copy in your possesion doesn't constitute a license.  You canG get that dumpster diving, I'm sure.  Having a license requires that yourG paid the fee to Compaq that you seem determined to get around.  I doubtB+ that Ebay passed any royalties onto Compaq.*   bill   -- *J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   o   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:32:30 +0000 (   )n3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>e; Subject: Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CDnI Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10008312018490.5550-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>e  & On 31 Aug 2000, Bill Gunshannon wrote:  ? > |> >for as little as $10 per set (PER set!). that's not much.-  G > I doubt you told him you bought a bootleg copy on Ebay, which carrieslJ > absolutely no weight with Compaq's legal department.  I mean that's likeD > saying you actually own a stolen car if you buy it from the thief.  D Ok, now we're comparing software "piracy"(Perhaps not even software,B since this was a fiche listing...) with theft of a car -- a common= metaphor, but it doesn't work.  That aside, please see below.   P > |> Wrong again. I am completely aware of the licensing issues. I called CompaqU > |> and spent several HOURS on the phone with them (after calling them, them calling ' > |> me, back and forth several times).g  @ > Did you actually tell them you bought a bootleg copy on Ebay??H > Having a copy in your possesion doesn't constitute a license.  You canI > get that dumpster diving, I'm sure.  Having a license requires that youaI > paid the fee to Compaq that you seem determined to get around.  I doubtu- > that Ebay passed any royalties onto Compaq.e  F IANAL, but:  Doesn't the fact that this particular copy of the listingJ isn't still in compaq's possesion mean that somebody's allready had to payE that fee?  What if somebody has paid, and they'd like to transfer theuH license -- then what?  The license _should_ be transferable, do you know& what the proper procedure for that is?  ( I'm asking this for two reasons, really:  H 1)  It will be good to bring such a procedure to the attention of anyoneJ else who's considering snarfing a copy of the listings from ebay, and help2 people to assess the legality of their "purchase."  I 2)  For my own satisfaction in knowing that it can be done -- and if not,i% whether there's a good reason for it.   J It pays to ask whether procedure was followed, after all, just because theE listing was "purchased" through ebay doesn't mean that license wasn'thA properly transfered. (Again, the license is transferable, right?)g  I Note that I'm not saying you're wrong on this -- only that you're jumpinge0 to conclusions that aren't nessecarilly correct.  G This is also a good time to bring up (again) an interesting question...E  % (for anyone who'd like to respond...)v  I What about source listings for hobbyists?  This would certainly be usefulrE sometimes, and I know several hobbyist types who'd love to have them.    Regards,   Chriss  O ===============================================================================.@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmern Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.o% -------------------------------------oI "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes andlH weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 lO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------r   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2000 18:04:58 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)f; Subject: Re: Here we go again - WTB/T/etc source listing CDs+ Message-ID: <LU$BXqaf7kSN@eisner.decus.org>t   In article <Pine.LNX.4.05.10008312018490.5550-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>, Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> writes:   H > IANAL, but:  Doesn't the fact that this particular copy of the listingL > isn't still in compaq's possesion mean that somebody's allready had to payG > that fee?  What if somebody has paid, and they'd like to transfer theeJ > license -- then what?  The license _should_ be transferable, do you know( > what the proper procedure for that is? > * > I'm asking this for two reasons, really: > J > 1)  It will be good to bring such a procedure to the attention of anyoneL > else who's considering snarfing a copy of the listings from ebay, and help4 > people to assess the legality of their "purchase." > K > 2)  For my own satisfaction in knowing that it can be done -- and if not,u' > whether there's a good reason for it.t > L > It pays to ask whether procedure was followed, after all, just because theG > listing was "purchased" through ebay doesn't mean that license wasn'teC > properly transfered. (Again, the license is transferable, right?)e  E DEC has long maintained that software licenses cannot be transferred,fF except for certain licenses that are bundled with a piece of hardware.C It has been in the terms and conditions under which they originally  sold the software.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:03:51 -0400c0 From: arturo saavedra <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>0 Subject: Interesting FTP file corruption problemC Message-ID: <MOEAJKGGEIMGCCPEPJBHAEHACAAA.arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>m     ( Wondering if anybody had ever seen this:   Sender:d	 Alpha 800O
 UCX 4.2 eco 2t  	 Receiver:  Alpha es40        Alpha es40 UCX 4.2 eco 2	TCPIP 5.0a
 7.1-2			7.1-2a   Problem:A When FTPing an Indexed file from Alpha800 to es40 running UCX, we3 get a file corruption.  A If we FTP that same file to the es40 running 50a, we do not get at file corruption.   Gets odder:lB FTP that same file to a Alpha es40 to a disk where the volume has ? been mounted witha file extent > 18 blocks and we do not get a   file corruption?    @ Any thoughts would be welcomed.. this is a really odd behaviour.   Thanks!d   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2000 13:57:00 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515), Subject: Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?3 Message-ID: <NjBBwH+7MzL6@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>2  > In article <gurman-9C1410.22044230082000@news.crosslink.net>, 0     	"Joseph B. Gurman" <gurman@ari.net> writes:6 > In article <I3LiOUDTPwKg@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, G > Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: ! > 926-3515) wrote: > J >> In article <Hxfr5.57337$_s1.683604@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. / >> Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:M >> > E >> >>V) >> >> A good article covering this is at:e >> >>_M >> >>   http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/performance/ieee_spec2000_article.ha >> >>   tmlr >> >>  >> >  7 >> > Nice article. Henning obviously knows his stuff..._ >>  K >>         Except at the moment, the  download  link on this page is broken_K >>     so one can't read the article. ;-(  I really wonder _who_ is running @ >>     Compaq's web presence?  They need a LOT of help.  Sigh... >> e >>         -KenM >  > - >     Works for me, 10:04 PM EDT, 08/30/2000._  D         Yep, I was able to get to it this morning.  Just a temporaryC     "lapse" I guess.  Still, not very good for a company who thinks**     there future lies with the Internet...           -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2000 12:55:02 -07003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com>-0 Subject: Jupiter (was Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?)3 Message-ID: <qhd7ipmcix.fsf_-_@ruckus.brouhaha.com>g  ' A.Greig@viirgin.net (Alan Greig) wrote:./ > Even the worst figures I've seen for the 2080a8 > put it at 10 times the performance of the VAX 11-780.    jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:e= > Whoopy-skip.  It wouldn't have run a TOPS operating system.t  * Really?  What would a 2080 have run, then?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:12:17 GMTe From: tias77@bellatlantic.nett Subject: Re: kill nslookup/ Message-ID: <sqt801kec5d101@corp.supernews.com>t  G Well in the LYNX case it probably uses an internal function to get the y address.H It uses the struct "gethostbyname" and does not use the nslookup binary  provided by TCPIP for VMS. /Tiasd   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 02:48:12 GMT  From: e__zy@my-deja.comh% Subject: LPD printing to a Xerox265STe) Message-ID: <8on5d7$6md$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Hello,  0 I'm in desperate need of help...We are currently. running VMS 6.2 (w/ UCX 4.2 ECO 4) on an Alpha, 4100 platform and I am experiencing problems- setting up VMS to print to a Xerox Docucenters0 265ST printer.  I am using telnet printing under1 UCX printing to various HP jetdirects without anyr/ problems.  However, this damn Xerox has left mea* scratching my head!  We are not having any. problems printing to it under NT 4.0...but the VMS setup is escaping me.*  - Can someone please help or at least shed some* light on my problem??0  & Any help would be greatly appreciated!  
 Jim Munroe jmunroe@nbnet.nb.can    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.l   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:16:42 +12009 From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz>k) Subject: Re: LPD printing to a Xerox265STo2 Message-ID: <81Gr5.5895$cr3.182083@ozemail.com.au>  7 I may be wrong, but I didn't think that you could printb& to xerox in vms (or is that just dcps)   Antony  H <e__zy@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8on5d7$6md$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Hello, >p2 > I'm in desperate need of help...We are currently0 > running VMS 6.2 (w/ UCX 4.2 ECO 4) on an Alpha. > 4100 platform and I am experiencing problems/ > setting up VMS to print to a Xerox Docucenteri2 > 265ST printer.  I am using telnet printing under3 > UCX printing to various HP jetdirects without any 1 > problems.  However, this damn Xerox has left me , > scratching my head!  We are not having any0 > problems printing to it under NT 4.0...but the > VMS setup is escaping me.  >M/ > Can someone please help or at least shed somei > light on my problem??  > ( > Any help would be greatly appreciated! >  > Jim Munroe > jmunroe@nbnet.nb.ca  >  >t( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:25:21 GMTH4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>2 Subject: Re: Oracle/VMS (in the US) teleconference< Message-ID: <53Ar5.52942$NH2.421004@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  : > Anyone tune in to this week's Oracle/VMS teleconference? > 
 > Comments  J Didn't even know they were having one... but this must be about the Oracle" 8i/IAS Oracle Internet Platform...   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 02:40:50 GMT_, From: alphaman-nix-spam@hsv.sungardtrust.com2 Subject: Re: Oracle/VMS (in the US) teleconference) Message-ID: <8on4vf$6b9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>1  < In article <53Ar5.52942$NH2.421004@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,7   "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:  >*< > > Anyone tune in to this week's Oracle/VMS teleconference? > >l > > Comments > E > Didn't even know they were having one... but this must be about the. Oracle$ > 8i/IAS Oracle Internet Platform...  G Yup, that's exactly what it was.  Lots of rah-rah for Oracle and Apache = (which finally got a fully Q-blessed release this week, too).C  G Overall, a good pitch -- expect the slides up on the OpenVMS site soon,_6 according to Rich Marcello, who made the presentation.   Aaroni    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:14:06 -0400s From: dan <dan@vrx.net> 4 Subject: Re: Possible OS/2 for the Vax (as promised)' Message-ID: <39AD791E.C78E9AD7@vrx.net>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:f  C >   You have a LAN Manager kit for OS/2 -- not an OS/2 kit for VAX.tB >   Based solely on the file dates, it looks to be a V2.x release, >   and probably the V2.2 kit.  ? Well at least is a fairly esoteric thing to own. rare at least.nK Maybe I'll restore the image files just so I can use the tape for somethingH useful. L it's still rather weird to me, having an OS/2 connection with a vax (of some sort).) oh well... off to find more useless junk!    B.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:45:45 GMTH% From: hg/jb <shsrms@bellatlantic.net>K" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?0 Message-ID: <39AEF04D.2EC232DB@bellatlantic.net>   jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > 3 > In article <39ae2fab.266407563@news.newsguy.com>, , >    A.Greig@viirgin.net (Alan Greig) wrote:; > >On Wed, 30 Aug 00 08:53:27 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:- > >-4 > >>In article <39ab70a9.86436118@news.newsguy.com>, > >aI > >>>The major blunder in my opinion was lying to customers. We had heard J > >>>the rumours about cancellation and called in DEC who absolutely pointK > >>>blank assured as that Jupiter would not be cancelled., Absolutely 100%u > >>>categorically assured us. > >>, > >>Did you have a non-disclosure agreement? > >oH > >Yes but I assume nobody will take my to court for breaking it so many > >years later.p > ; > That wasn't why I asked the question.  The non-disclosurea< > business was a joke because customers (who didn't have the9 > agreement) would call Jim up and tell him stuff that hew= > didn't know and ask him to verify the so-called rumor.  (We 9 > sometimes had the opinion that applying a piece of ductm= > tape across the mouths of project managers and sales peoples, > would have been a really cost saving ECO.) > = > I asked the question because there was a flurry of activityl: > trying to get the cancellation info out to the customers: > that did sign an agreement before the rumor mill got out9 > their drums.  IIRC, it took three days for our managers*3 > to tell us after the first rumor of cancellation.  > : > >A number of UK universities were given 2020s free whileI > >they waited for Jupiter as well. Wonder how much that cost if repeated 
 > >worldwide?- > @ > Jeez.  Everybody seems to have been stupid about that project.@ > I remember fighting with my last breath with the FORTRAN group# > to not write the OTS ala Jupiter.D > 7 > >Which reminds me of a TOPS-20 cookie. Don't know who6I > >originated it but it said: "The 2020 was really made in Poland by IBM"q > E > I hadn't heard that one. :-)  I couldn't get my work done on a 2020sC > so I mostly ignored it except for certification and system accessh	 > crises.i >  > >f > >>>l, > >>>Then they cancelled it two weeks later. > >>= > >>And that was the best thing that could have happened.  If < > >>the Jupiter project had continued, there would have been= > >>no funding for implementing DECnet Phase III and IV.  Theu7 > >>company would have tanked in 1985 rather than 1995.  > > H > >I've certainly heard the cost argument before but that doesn't excuse > >misleading a customer.a > D > I'm not excusing it.  I think we sorta gave up trying to "correct"< > that behaviour after the SMP fiasco.  Instead there was anA > underground created as far as TOPS-10 customers were concerned,s, > especially when DECUS funding was chopped. > 0 > >Even the worst figures I've seen for the 20808 > >put it at 10 times the performance of the VAX 11-780. > = > Whoopy-skip.  It wouldn't have run a TOPS operating system. < > I'm not sure how to say this to get the point across.  The< > only thing the customers really, really cared about wasn't8 > how sexy fast the CPU ran.  It was how much work their< > users got done.  And single CPU configurations just didn't  > cut it...and they still don't.= But we were running what on the simulator? Bugs, Ted, Can yout: answer this one, I thought it wastops10, could havebeen 20; I just remember finding all those delay loops that did not  A work on the simulator.  JRST0 followed by a JRST0 executed in oner cycle. bobe >  > >The mostoH > >optimistic figures were around thirty times. The majority of academicA > >sites I am aware of did not buy DEC hardware to replace the KLr > >machines after this fiasco. > A > That was the second time they had been screwed.  The first timenD > was cancelling TOPS-10 development which JMF and TW got corrected.B > But that particular fuckup gave the strong hint to the customersB > which way DEC's wind was blowing.  Something that VAX/VMS people7 > never learned was that our customers were not stupid.g >  > /BAH > ) > Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail..   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:13:00 -0700G) From: Charles Richmond <richmond@ev1.net>$" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?' Message-ID: <39AF2CCD.2838197D@ev1.net>    Tim Shoppa wrote:y > , >      [snip...]     [snip...]     [snip...] > C > What "killer apps" have we had since Visicalc?  Sure, there's thetC > WWW, but I would argue that's a step backwards from the "computertA > power on every desktop" trend, as it's more properly thought ofs: > in the centralized server/distributed terminal paradigm. > A The "killer app" for the Apple Macintosh was desk top publishing.c: At least that was the assertion in _Accidental Empires_ by= Robert X. Cringley. Since the Mac used bitmapped displays forg/ everything, it could give you WYSIWYG *almost*.e   -- e? +-------------------------------------------------------------+ ? |     Charles and Francis Richmond     <richmond@plano.net>   |c? +-------------------------------------------------------------+i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:32:31 -0700 ( From: "Russell Leathe" <russ@gordon.edu> Subject: SCSI Tape drive% Message-ID: <yhyr5.78$Xb5.935@client>h  I I need to replace my current SCSI tape drive with something a tad faster.n Any recommendations...  A platform  = Alpha 1200 5/533 OpenVMS 7.2, 6-DSRZ1CF 4.3gb drives.o  
 all the best,i   russ   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2000 20:43:54 GMT0 From: "Dale A. Dellutri" <ddellutr@enteract.com> Subject: Re: SCSI Tape drive- Message-ID: <8omg2a$26p1$1@news.enteract.com>   K On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:32:31 -0700, Russell Leathe <russ@gordon.edu> wrote:nK > I need to replace my current SCSI tape drive with something a tad faster.  > Any recommendations...C > platform  = Alpha 1200 5/533 OpenVMS 7.2, 6-DSRZ1CF 4.3gb drives.o  D We really like the TZ89 - fast, high capacity.  A bit expensive, but" worth it.  We also have an AS1200.   -- h& Dale Dellutri -- ddellutr@enteract.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 00:14:52 -0400h2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: SCSI Tape drive7 Message-ID: <200009010015_MC2-B1B9-FDFC@compuserve.com>   F         It's not easy to come up with "something a tad faster" without knowing what you've got.  A         The TZ89/DLT7000 at about $7000 is pretty fast and prettyl8 expensive.  The TZ88/DLT4000 can be had for about $2000.  E         Note that the speed of the tape drive may not be the limiting=J factor!  You have to get the data off the disk and through the main memor= yeJ before you can write it to tape.  That has traditionally been the slowest=  J aspect of BACKUP.  The modifications to BACKUP at VMS V5.2 helped a LOT b= ut$ it's still not what you'd call fast.  E         An AlphaServer 4100 with 1.5Gb of memory, KZPSA host adapters J talking to EMC Symmetrix disk can pump out 6-8Gb/hour to a TZ88.  Similar=  > performance can be had with a Raid Array 450 (HSZ50, RZ29-VW).  ( Message text written by "Russell Leathe"J >I need to replace my current SCSI tape drive with something a tad faster= .g Any recommendations...  D platform  =3D Alpha 1200 5/533 OpenVMS 7.2, 6-DSRZ1CF 4.3gb drives.<   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:28:41 +12009 From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz>4 Subject: Stop programmes2 Message-ID: <I2Ar5.5522$cr3.177405@ozemail.com.au>  > Anyone heard of a stop programme that will kill a process that1 has got into an RWMBX state, that can't be killedo by a stop/id command?o  ; Apparantly there used to be one for vaxes a few years back,d5 just wondering if there would also be one for alphas.h  8 The only other way I managed to fix it was to reboot the6 cluster, which I shouldn't need to do (according to my7 dummies guide to vms that I finally read last night;-))o     Antony   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Aug 2000 21:44:20 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Stop programme 6 Message-ID: <8omjjk$oti$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  n In article <I2Ar5.5522$cr3.177405@ozemail.com.au>, "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz> writes:? :Anyone heard of a stop programme that will kill a process thatnH :has got into an RWMBX state, that can't be killed by a stop/id command?  E   Deleting a process stuck in a resource wait depends highly on what oA   caused the problem -- AMDS does a fairly good job of unstickingtC   quota-related problems, for instance.  There are other sources ofhA   resource waits that involve OpenVMS protecting itself and otheroC   applications -- the process is deliberately jammed up to prevent uB   problems that would occur if it were permitted to delete itself,   for instance.t  < :Apparantly there used to be one for vaxes a few years back,6 :just wondering if there would also be one for alphas.  B   There are various OpenVMS VAX tools that can reset the ownershipA   for a device allocated to a non-existant process.  Is that whatI@   you are thinking of?  In that case, it was releasing resources>   held by the stuck process that was of more central interest.  9 :The only other way I managed to fix it was to reboot thee) :cluster, which I shouldn't need to do...   B   That the process hangs is an indication of a problem.  SometimesB   its fairly simple to fix, and sometimes these hangs are due to a,   nasty kernel-mode bug in kernel-mode code.  ?   Details of the system and the stuck process, please?  OpenVMS-?   version, kernel-mode code involved (and version), sequence(s)CA   that could be used to duplicate the problem, ECOs applied, etc.u  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2000 18:40:05 -0500* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist+ Message-ID: <hFaO2ULgdBXx@eisner.decus.org>   \ In article <8oll02$3ik$1@lisa.gemair.com>, jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) writes:J > In article <OFA26C0F12.40A3BE9E-ON8025694C.003E0318@qedi.quintiles.com>,& >  <steven.reece@quintiles.com> wrote: >>< >>Andrew Harrison (andrew dot nospam at youknowwhere) wrote:P >>>>>Yup, nice try but no cigar. You either didn't read the article right to theM >>end or you chose to ignore the last paragraph because you didn't understandsJ >>or didn't want to contemplate the implications of what the person quoted >>was saying.<<< >>_ >>But I think Rob did read the last paragraph and so did I.  Let me quote (the Shoemaker is Sunk, >>Executive Vice President John Shoemaker) : >>Y >>"According to Shoemaker, Sun hasn't been able to narrow the problem to any one specifictU >>cause.  Sun believes the problems may have been caused by a combination of factors, Z >>including defective components from one of Sun's suppliers, poor packaging of the memory8 >>chips on the system boards and environmental factors." >> > ? > And yet, Andrew has the temerity to accuse us of lying.  It's-B > quite clear from Rob's extraction of the old Usenet article that > it is Andrew who lies here.o > J > Andrew had clearly said the problem was completely corrected months ago,C > while Mr. Shoemaker is clearly and recently indicating that "Sun rD > hasn't been able to narrow the problem to any one specific cause." > C > I wonder if Andrew's corporate superiors will swoop in to correctaA > the record when he's caught clearly in a lie like the time when A > he lied about the source of the Sun email products coming from i > Innosoft code. > F > I have to revise my assessment of Andrew being a marketing resource.B > Marketing usually doesn't make blatent mistatements of fact thatB > can be so easily proven wrong.  On the other hand, Sun has been @ > very careful to keep the truth of these cache problems secret E > through their policy of requiring customers to sign an NDA in orderf" > to get their problems addressed. > A > Doesn't it strike you all as rather unethical of Sun to requirerC > an NDA to address problems that they are contracturally obligated F > to fix?  Most (all?) of these sites had Sun's Platinum support that A > requires almost immediate attention to the problem with answersaC > in just a few hours.  Nothing in the Sun Platinum suport requires A > that an NDA be signed to get the service that an additional NDA A > was required to access the service to which they were entitled.n > B > Sun must have realized this and has now dropped this practice ofA > requiring NDAs for service.  However, it's no wonder that many eA > of the analysts are putting out warnings about Sun reliability.e  = What I don't quite understand is how they brow-beat, cajoled,e= coaxed or threatened anyone into signing the NDA.  If someonem> were to try that with me, I'd reverse the field and state that= unless they solved the problem in a reasonable amount of timejA I'll be broadcasting it to everyone as far and wide as I possibly > could.  Buy "Platinum" support and then sign away the right toA complain loudly when they were incapable of providing the supportS< they changed a premium for?  I don't think that is likely to happen!g   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Sep 2000 02:03:37 -0500a* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist+ Message-ID: <Pp3GnCpch38a@eisner.decus.org>n  o In article <39AE62FF.5D19D867@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:c   > J > As I said re-read the last paragraph and note the action the datacenter # > manager took and note the result.C > M > What did he say, we were having problems we reduced the temperature in our e@ > datacenter and the problem went away, what does that tell you. >   * 	One data point does not a good case make.  F 	Pick up and read the hardcopy ComputerWorld.  Flip to page 14 and you* 	can read the insert.  Quoting the insert:  = 	Gartner Group's recommendations for Sun users who encounter b 	the chip problem:  8 	o Challenge Sun's claims of site environmental factors:7 		While poor operating conditions may contribute to the06 		problem, a majority of the reliability issues aren't 		environmental in nature. 	a/ 	o Involve Sun corporate engineering resources:52 		Try to engage senior-level corporate engineering6 		resources to assist with reliability-related problem 		diagnosis and resolution.e  3 	o Demand a documented plan for problem resolution:h6 		Ask Sun to establish a long-term, mutually agreeable1 		program for resolution of reliability problems.:  < 	o Reject Sun's demands for blanket nondisclosure agreement.    < 	Besides Andrew, your employer has been trying to sell folks= 	on the "environmental" misdirection for well over a year andpD 	a half now.  Rick Epps shows us that when he wrote in January 1999.= 	At that time he states Sun concentrated on environmentals atlA 	Northern Arizona with zippola success.  We are to assume none ofhD 	these other folks heard the "lower the temperature" suggestion yet?  > 	Also, let's just say you had a half acre of computers and theA 	only ones in there having problems are the Sun boxes.  Okay, youl? 	humor the Sun engineers and drop the temperature 10-15 degreesd< 	as recommended and the problem goes away.  Two months later@ 	you have to roll in 30 new servers, your temperature can't stay; 	down now, creeps up 10 degrees and you are screwed on your-; 	Sun hardware with nowhere to go!  That battle also must ben 	taking place.  ? 	Fact is , after 18 months your employer still doesn't know the70 	cause.  Found this on Slashdot just 3 days ago:    M My group runs a mid-size to large server farm at a (very) major ISP and we'reeO constantly replacing processors that crash due to "Ecache Writeback Data ParityiN Errors". We were told that even replacing the processor isn't a remedy becauseL the new one is just as likely to eat itself as the old one if you left it in place (As far as they know.)  O In addition, the latest fix is a software patch that is supposed to massage therN Ecache so that it never finds itself in the condition that they believe causesO the error. Remember, they're still guessing at this point. 18 months later. How K many of those 400Mhz are now used up with self-checks and Ecache scrubbing?.  O Ever babysit a Sun E-anything on bootup? Not only does it cost the company tonsvM of $$ in downtime (made more extreme by the long boot process), it also costslK them $$$$/hour for their engineers to sit there and watch these things POSTa" [Power On Self Test] forever.  (1)  M I think the most aggravating part is how for all intents and purposes, Sun is N now using the worlds largest enterprise sites as beta testers for it's productL just like M$ uses the world to test it's software except that Sun expects usK all to sign our voices away with the NDA so they don't look like a bunch of 9 ..... (something bad that you wouldn't wanna be called)."    	---  ? 	Software patch?  Still don't know?!?!???  Quick, somebody tellsA 	that guy about the temperature thingy.  Maybe this hasn't gottenu7 	back out to remote Sun field service offices yet?  HA!   = 	Keep twisting and flapping there Andrew.  Someday you'll get  	off the ground, maybe.   B 	Soon .. very soon we will have names for these faceless sufferers# 	of Sun hardware.  Just a guess ;-)y  I > So here is a question, do you know what causes the majority of hardwarea9 > failures on all systems not just Sun's but all systems.c  A 	Ummmmm... using the same crappy design as a Sun high-end server? A 	Just a guess.  Actually, you're probably after "heat."  I'll buylB 	that.  Funny how much of this Sun hardware is surrounded by other= 	hardware that works fine.  Must be a tough sell to push thatp@ 	"heat" angle in a 75 degree computer room where everything else 	is just fine.  Spin on!  L > Assuming you knew the answer to the first question, why would reducing theJ > temperature in the datacenter reduce the incidence of the major cause of$ > failure for all computer hardware.    A 	Maybe.  Unless the hardware was reliable like what I am running.m; 	Or like many run across the world.  Seems your hardware is C 	more sensitive to heat than others.  What does your UE10000 manual ; 	say about normal operating temperatures?  Did someone take  	a big red pen to it?n   	Spin on Andy!   				Rob     O (1) Hmmmm.. this helps explain the hot standby server concept.  Certainly eBay r*     wouldn't want to wait for one to boot.   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Aug 2000 14:17:52 -05003 From: rivie@server.newlogan.teraglobal (Roger Ivie) , Subject: Re: Terseness (was Re: DHCP server)= Message-ID: <slrn8qtbu4.abd.rivie@server.newlogan.teraglobal>   > In article <39AD6D61.FA400FEC@fsi.net.mapson>, SysAdmin wrote: >Hoff Hoffman wrote: >> tT >> In article <8oe2e1$btp$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>, system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu writes:Q >> :In article <39A932C8.6FCD@adldata.com>, sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> writes:oA >> :>VMS tcpip 5.0A includes a DHCP server but not a DHCP client.r >> :
 >> :Where? >> .B >>   This question approaches the theoretical limit for terseness. >  >Well, I dunno...  > F >I recall a story - I believe the source was Don Wolfe (of Don Wolfe /E >Robert Allen fame) - about a fellow at the end of a Philosophy class H >going to take the final. The final test consisted of a single, one-word >question: "Why?"   N There's a famous story about an author who went on vacation while negotiationsK were proceeding for the publication of his latest book. Wanting to know hownJ they were going, he sent a telegram to his agent with the message "?". The( agent's reply was a telegram saying "!". --  
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