1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 05 Sep 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 496       Contents: Re: 8mm tape drive RE: Big AlphaServer Sale RE: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: dcps7 DEC 3000 model 3000, ESA0 versus EWA0/ MOP versus BOOTP ; Re: DEC 3000 model 3000, ESA0 versus EWA0/ MOP versus BOOTP # how do I disable ucx$ftpserver.log? 8 RE: OM bid for London Stock Exchange:  does OM use VMS ?! quota.sys missing from disk root? % Re: quota.sys missing from disk root? % Re: quota.sys missing from disk root? ! quota.sys missing from disk root? % Re: quota.sys missing from disk root? % Re: quota.sys missing from disk root? ; Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research? ; Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research? ; Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research? ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ( Re: TCP/IP 5.0A PatchList or ECO Summary Re: WORD viewer for VMS  RE: Your FUTURE! RE: Your FUTURE!  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 17:57:43 GMT  From: smiley0205@my-deja.com Subject: Re: 8mm tape drive ) Message-ID: <8p0nqf$b4q$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   ? In article <Mibs5.12898$f65.612093@news-west.usenetserver.com>, -   "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> wrote: + > <smiley0205@my-deja.com> wrote in message % > news:8oq3rn$i89$1@nnrp1.deja.com...  > > VMSers,  > > J > >   Thanks for your help on my question on the maxsize of a single disk.I > > I have another issue.  I'm looking for a tabletop 8mm tape drive that J > > would plug into a MicroVax 3100-90.  It needs to be able to read a 5gbE > > capacity tape.  The intension will be to replace a MA250(MTI) STI  > unit. 1 > > Does anyone know where I could get one cheap?  > > C > If you are looking for an EXB-8500 or better try Ebay, search for G > "Exabyte".  I have several 8500s, though at the moment they have been H > moved off the VMS side to the special purpose NT servers.  I have seen@ > several 8500s and 8505XL drives for good prices, some have DOAE > warranties and some have real ones, all depends on what you want to C > spend.  I like to use them on secondary servers, the beta test or G > training machines, where a reliable backup isn't so critical.  I know E > the 8500 drive will work on a 2100 running VMS 7.2, and I know of a G > customer using an 8700 drive on a VAX running VMS 7.0, so I would not F > anticipate you having a problem on a 3100-90.  if the 5Gb tapes come@ > from an 8505 or an 8500C be sure you get a drive with hardware  > compression...avoid the 8500S. >    Jack Peacock  >  >    Jack,   F   Thanks for the info.  All this old hardware and trying to replace it* with compatible stuff is a real challenge!   Spike     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 17:25:38 -0400 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> ! Subject: RE: Big AlphaServer Sale J Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284760@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   Andrew,    We agree on something !   K >>> But either way its bad news. Like it or not both OpenVMS and Tru64 need J each other because although they are different OS's they share the same HWL platform and some applications. If say Tru64 was to dissappear the economicsJ of OpenVMS production for Compaq would suffer because all the platform R&D9 would need to be financed out of OpenVMS contribution.>>>   H Absolutely. Which is why the recent sale of 375 GS320 systems to the DOEE (approx 12,000 Alpha cpu's) and other recent Alpha supercomputer wins ? (against the best of the others) is also important to OpenVMS.    
 Reference:L <http://www.compaq.com/newsroom/pr/2000/0,1494,wp~14583_2!ob~33266_1_1,00.htJ ml> (U.S. Department of Energy Selects Compaq to Build World's Fastest andF Most Powerful Supercomputer - 375 GS320 systems with 600Tb of storage)L <http://www.compaq.com/newsroom/pr/2000/0,1494,wp~14583_2!ob~33046_1_1,00.htI ml> (National Science Foundation Selects Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center E and Compaq to Offer Scientists Access to World's Largest Non-Military  supercomputer)     Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant,
 Compaq Canada  Professional Services  Voice : 613-592-4660 FAX   : 819-772-7036 Email : kerry.main@compaq.com        -----Original Message-----' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy ! [mailto:andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com] ( Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 6:21 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale      Bill Todd wrote:  < > Jordan Henderson <jordan@lisa.gemair.com> wrote in message& > news:8oj2rj$c8b$1@lisa.gemair.com.... > > In article <39ACE0B2.D59E333A@uk.sun.com>,H > > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: >  > ...  > K > > >I am confused here, you seem to work for Compaq or thats what your Sig J > > >implies and the same appears to be the case with Jim. So why are both of > you I > > >arguing that it should all be part of the OS. Do you realise how out - > > >of line you are with Compaqs top brass ?  > > >  > > B > > Yes, you are confused.  Compaq marketing also promotes OpenVMS
 clustering# > > as the most advanced available.  > K > I suspect that Andrew is not in fact confused but is just having a little L > fun at VMS's expense.  The fact that Compaq is far more intent on shoutingK > the praises of NT/Win2K capabilities, including its primitive clustering,  toK > the world than the capabilities of NSK and Tru64, let alone poor old VMS,  isG > inarguable by anyone who is paying attention to Compaq's advertising,  press  > releases, and Web presence.  >  > > H > > Nowhere in any of those references that you quote will you find thatE > > Compaq or Microsoft are particularly promoting the shared-nothing C > > clustering of Windows 2000 as being highly advanced or the best  > > way to cluster.  > K > The first reference says, about the Win2K Datacenter product and program, J > "The primary objective of the program is to provide the highest level ofF > reliability, scalability and serviceability for line-of-business andH > e-commerce solutions."  And, "For the first time, customers can have aL > solution that combines the economics of an industry-standard platform withJ > the absolute highest-end performance and reliability that was previously> > only available through far more costly proprietary systems." > L > My reading of those sentiments must be different from yours:  I'd say theyH > clearly (try to) position Win2K Datacenter as an equal to the best the restJ > of the industry has to offer, not just "Gee, it's really good!", as your > statement below indicates. >  > > E > > What they are saying, very effectively, is that you can get quite E > > excellent price performance and performance on commodity hardware F > > with MS-SQL Server.  These solutions do not, today, feature highlyE > > advanced clustering, but I understand that MS is working on that.  >  > ...  > F > > >BTW I agree with you in the sense that I think that the OS shouldK > > >provide a foundation for clustering I just find it amusing that anyone F > > >from Compaq could really be arguing in favour of this because its- > > >not where they are spending their money.  > > >  > > F > > Compaq spends their money where they can expect to get the largest > > returns. > K > The perplexing thing (at least from the viewpoint of people interested in I > VMS's future) is that Compaq *doesn't* spend their money where they can K > expect to get the largest returns, but rather where they're getting small  orL > even negative returns (e.g., consumer and business PCs).  Putting togetherI > figures from diverse sources suggests (strongly) that VMS accounted for  overJ > 1/3 of Compaq's *total* corporate profit last year (though a far smallerK > percentage of total revenue) - despite having been actively denigrated by J > DEC for most of the '90s and treated at best neutrally by its new parent > when Compaq took over. >   K I would agree with you in the long term, OpenVMS and Tru64 have contributed ? far more to the bottom line as a proportion of revenue than the  Prolaint/Tandem   F Storage divisions. However it is also apparent that Compaq had a major revenue I issue with Alphaservers last quarter (revenues fell quite markedly). This  was F very suprising given the fact that WildFire had been announced and was	 shipping.   J This was the kind of thing you would have expected to happen in the months9 before the launch and GA of the equipment not afterwards.   E Compaq did not breakdown the Alphaserver sales into Tru64 and OpenVMS I to illustrate where the shortfall occured so it may well be the case that  Tru64   / revenues declined and OpenVMS revenues did not.   G But either way its bad news. Like it or not both OpenVMS and Tru64 need G each other because although they are different OS's they share the same E HW platform and some applications. If say Tru64 was to dissappear the C economics of OpenVMS production for Compaq would suffer because all G the platform R&D would need to be financed out of OpenVMS contribution.   E > And whether there will be huge profits to be made if and when Win2K  matures L > in those areas is questionable:  it is, after all, a commodity OS, and theH > only conspicuously generous profit associated with it seems to flow toK > Microsoft, with hardware vendors competing too vigorously on price to get K > anything like the margins high-end systems enjoy today.  Indeed, from the L > viewpoint of profitability, Compaq may well be better off if Win2K *never*, > grows up (and Linux too, for that matter). >   F Indeed the interesting thing about the whole Wintel market is why manyI of the vendors are in it at all. You can count the number of vendors that F are making a reasonable return from the Wintel platform on the fingersE of one hand with Intel and MS heading the list. With the exception of H Dell most of the other vendors in particular IBM and to a certain extentI Compaq seem to have been subsidising their loss making or at least profit + neutral PC divisions with services etc etc.   G The sad thing for Compaq etc is that it seems to be a merrygoround that  they cannot get off.     Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 17:47:36 -0400 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> ! Subject: RE: Big AlphaServer Sale J Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284761@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   Andrew -  K >>> NT sales person says how can you buy OpenVMS it does not scale, OpenVMS F sales person says oh yes it does, NT sales person says so show me someG OpenVMS cluster TPC-C benchmark results or for that matter any standard I benchmarks running on an OpenVMS cluster that demonstrate its scalability G and while you are waiting for the OpenVMS sales person here is a little 2 light reading prepared by Microsoft and Compaq.<<<  K The OpenVMS Sales person would provide the following Customer testimonials: L http://www.iseoptions.com/about/technology_compaq.html (new OpenVMS Customer( that just went live in May of this year)I http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/gs/quotes/etrade.html (recent GS Series 	 upgrades) J http://www.compaq.com/inform/issues/issue31/features-184-b1-3.html (Oracle and OpenVMS)H http://www.e-dbms.com/analysts/2000/benchmark.html (Feb 2000 performanceA testimonial from Intersystems Cache database product on OpenVMS.)   < More testimonials on the new GS Series systems available at:3 http://www.openvms.digital.com/gsseries/quotes.html   J Now before you jump up and down shouting about where are the OpenVMS TPC-CI numbers, it might be wise to note what the Sun press releases have to say  about TPC-C..   :-)   K <http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2000-08/sunflash.20000831.1.html> (a K pretty good number by the way) quote extract "Recently, the TPC-C benchmark I has fallen under sharp criticism for failing to keep pace with the times. K Two separate cluster results reported by IBM and Compaq confirm that it can C no longer be trusted as an accurate measuring for ad-hoc workloads.   F It's well-understood in the technical communities that TPC-C no longerI represents current customer workloads since the transaction load that its L models are made of are small, primitive and disconnected transactions. WhileL this model was acceptable for the workloads of the late 1980s, it misses theI mark for the object-based, integrated application environments of today's A dot-com world that are part of the system design criteria at Sun.   I Customer workloads nowadays require a more ad hoc workload than the TPC-C L specifies. This is why many customers compare systems using more complicatedH transactional workloads such as SAP-sales and distribution, SAP-banking,J SAP-retail, Peoplesoft, or Amdocs billing. Areas in which Sun has excelled+ and maintains an industry-leading position.   A The simple nature of TPC-C transactions makes them well-suited to E partitioning database tables across multiple systems as epitomized by E cluster results on IBM's 32-node Netfinity System and others. This is K possible because over 99 percent of TPC-C transactions are localized, while E in the real world of customer environments almost no transactions are  localized." end quote   C So, in light of the above, would your recommendation to the OpenVMS C organization be to do a big TPC number or instead focus on Customer H Application benchmarks (like the Interstate Cache database press release noted above) ??    :-)    Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant,
 Compaq Canada  Professional Services  Voice : 613-592-4660 FAX   : 819-772-7036 Email : kerry.main@compaq.com        -----Original Message-----' From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy ! [mailto:andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com] ( Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 1:53 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale      Christopher Smith wrote:  ) > On 30 Aug 2000, Jordan Henderson wrote:  > B > > Yes, you are confused.  Compaq marketing also promotes OpenVMS
 clustering# > > as the most advanced available.  >  > Where? > H > > Nowhere in any of those references that you quote will you find thatE > > Compaq or Microsoft are particularly promoting the shared-nothing C > > clustering of Windows 2000 as being highly advanced or the best  > > way to cluster.  > I > In support of andrew, here -- by marketing the stuff at all, the public L > being as ignorant as it is, compaq is effectively tricking all of the phbsJ > into believing that windows clustering *is* advanced.  The only way theyL > could counter this would be to market both solutions side-by-side, touting$ > the VMS solution as more advanced. >   ; That is the whole point. OpenVMS clustering is clearly more < advanced than MS clustering and I for one would be much moreB confident about building a reliable scalable cluster using OpenVMS8 as the platform than NT/Win2000 but Compaq and Microsoft= would have you believe from their marketing/benchmark reports ( that I would be making the wrong choice.  3 Look at what MS say about the benchmark that Compaq 	 paid for. 0 http://www.microsoft.com/SQL/productinfo/tpc.htm  > They refer to it everywhere in their SQL-Server literature andD it gives you the impression that you could build a large transaction@ system with it. But its a shared nothing system where almost all7 the "cluster" functionality is supplied buy SQL-Server.   ; Who gave MS this ammunition none other than Compaq and they ? spend a load of money to do this. They had to run the benchmark = twice because TPC were not happy with the origional run, they = ran the benchmark on 4 different configurations each of which > under TPC-C rules would have to be built specifically for that@ benchmark they used a shared nothing architecture requiring much. greater setup/configuration costs etc etc etc.  C Let me quote you from MS's press release you will love it, BTW this I is after the second run of the benchmarks after the first result had been , rejected by TPC and Compaq had withdrawn it.  E "But like Rocky rising from the canvas to score a knockout, Microsoft > and Compaq have released new performance results that not onlyG address the TPC?s earlier concern but also exceed the earlier MicrosoftXK Compaq performance record and provide the industry's best price/performancee on clustered hardware."e  J So Jordan please please don't bother trying to wriggle Compaq out of this. On one> hand you have a couple of OpenVMS advocates who may or may notL work for Compaq advocating an OS based approach to providing scalability andL reliability in a clustered environment and on the other hand you have CompaqG spending a huge chunk of money to help Microsoft market an applicationsr' led approach to solving the same issue.s  B If Compaq were serious about proving OpenVMS's cluster scalabilityE they would have invested in a similar benchmark for OpenVMS clusters,eE the fact is they never have making the comparison with what they have 2 been prepared to do for win2000 even more damning.  J Put yourself in the position of a unknowing customer being sold an OpenVMSF cluster or an NT cluster. NT sales person says how can you buy OpenVMSL it does not scale, OpenVMS sales person says oh yes it does, NT sales person? says so show me some OpenVMS cluster TPC-C benchmark results or E for that matter any standard benchmarks running on an OpenVMS cluster J that demonstrate its scalability and while you are waiting for the OpenVMSE sales person here is a little light reading prepared by Microsoft ando Compaq.s     Regards8 Andrew Harrison. Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 21:47:19 GMTg4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale < Message-ID: <HLUs5.68987$_s1.809635@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  	 > Andrew,  >a > We agree on something !i >bH > >>> But either way its bad news. Like it or not both OpenVMS and Tru64 needL > each other because although they are different OS's they share the same HWD > platform and some applications. If say Tru64 was to dissappear the	 economicseL > of OpenVMS production for Compaq would suffer because all the platform R&D; > would need to be financed out of OpenVMS contribution.>>>D > J > Absolutely. Which is why the recent sale of 375 GS320 systems to the DOEG > (approx 12,000 Alpha cpu's) and other recent Alpha supercomputer winsi@ > (against the best of the others) is also important to OpenVMS. >h  I Yeah, add in the 100 Marvel systems to the French and you're beginning tor0 see some serious revenue accrue to the GS-Series   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 09:58:19 +12009 From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz>i Subject: Re: dcps 2 Message-ID: <cSUs5.9089$cr3.259219@ozemail.com.au>  $ I have the same problem with a 4050.    E I have found that you don't need to reset the queue to fix it though,sF just try pinging the printer, and it will start printing, you can also0 press the Go button, and it will start printing,; Print to the printer from NT, then your vms job will start.r  F I have this on ucx 4.2 eco4, but I don't have the problem with anotherI node runing 5.0a. And the node that can ping the printer is 5.0a, but thewC 4.2eco4 machine won't get a ping until the version 5.0a ping works.k    ' Don't really know what is up with that.h  ' Version 1.8 of dcps didn't help either.O   cheers   Antony      6 "Bob Ricci" <maxx0623@concentric.net> wrote in message6 news:00d601c0141c$38fdf0a0$585b5cc0@socrates.Subway...H > i have a hp laserjet 40tn and am trying to print landscape- set up the; > ip_rawtcp/192.92.91.68:9100 port and on the generic queuerH > page_orientation=landscape....the queus set up properly, but i have to reset K > the queues every time i print as they remain in a starting state....untilp iaK > reset then all prints normally- i have tried manually setting the printer4 toJ > autosense and ps - but neither helps...aanyone else having this problem? > Robert V. Riccie > Systems Manageru > Drs. Associates (SUBWAY)
 > 325 Bic Dr.0 > Milford, Ct 06460: >  tel  203 877 4281 ext 11440 > fax to pc 203 783 7144 >  fax 203 876 6682t > email ricci_r@subway.com! >  or     maxx0623@concentric.nete > http://www.subway.comc >t >s   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:11:10 -07001 From: Tobin Fricke <tobin@quasar.CS.Berkeley.EDU>f@ Subject: DEC 3000 model 3000, ESA0 versus EWA0/ MOP versus BOOTPM Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.20.0009040156230.29898-100000@quasar.CS.Berkeley.EDU>r  F > to DEC) and mopd for linux. Now, however, with the new firmware, theI > serial console has stopped working fully; although we receive data fromAK > the machine, we can't seem to send anything, and thus we can't accomplisha  C Whoops, this turned out to be a simple flow control issue.  The newn7 firmware, of course, came with new serial settings...  i  E But we have a new problem. "SHOW DEVICE" lists the ethernet device as I "ESA0", where we expected to see "EWA0".  This means that we can only use A MOP.  Is there any way we can use BOOTP (eg, make a "EWA0" device I magically appear?)  Alternatively, how do we take a boot image that would I theoretically work with BOOTP and make it into a MOP format image?  We're & using mopd on Linux as the mop server.   Thanks,g Tobin <tobin@sji.org>    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 21:16:07 -0700e4 From: Roger Wiechman <Roger_Wiechman@HMC.nospam.Edu>D Subject: Re: DEC 3000 model 3000, ESA0 versus EWA0/ MOP versus BOOTP. Message-ID: <39B47387.827B0C9D@HMC.nospam.Edu>   Tobin Fricke wrote:v >  [snip] > G > But we have a new problem. "SHOW DEVICE" lists the ethernet device asdK > "ESA0", where we expected to see "EWA0".  This means that we can only useiC > MOP.  Is there any way we can use BOOTP (eg, make a "EWA0" device K > magically appear?)  Alternatively, how do we take a boot image that wouldiK > theoretically work with BOOTP and make it into a MOP format image?  We'red( > using mopd on Linux as the mop server. > 	 > Thanks,o > Tobin <tobin@sji.org>s  H  Humm, my 3000-300 show the ethernet device to be ESA0.  What would make  you think it should be EW ?  B  Since I don't do network booting with this machine, can't comment further.D  Perhaps bootp was only added in the later network devices?  I can'tD  believe that there would be a way to magically transform the device type.n    Roger  Harvey Mudd College   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 01:18:45 GMTs From: fooguy <jweisen@ta.edu>r, Subject: how do I disable ucx$ftpserver.log?) Message-ID: <8p1hld$560$1@nnrp1.deja.com>t  D Well, I guess I'm going to use two for today...I'll pretend I didn't# have a stupid question yesterday =)   H is there anyway to stop ucx from generating a log file every time a userD ftps a file? we have literally hundreds of these, and i'd rather notE have to write automated cleanup routines if i can just shut them off.    thanks,a John   --- *********************************************s( "All I every wanted from life was to see, Larry Wall give Bill Gates a Perl Necklace."   /* John Eisenschmidt , fooguy AT AT AT eisenschmidt DOT DOT DOT org (you know the drill) */    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:40:42 -0400a+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> A Subject: RE: OM bid for London Stock Exchange:  does OM use VMS ?oJ Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284762@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   Tias,g  K You likely have already seen these good references at the ISE web site, but 
 just in case:*/ http://www.iseoptions.com/about/technology.htmle6 http://www.iseoptions.com/about/technology_compaq.html   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant,
 Compaq Canadae Professional Servicesh Voice : 613-592-4660 FAX   : 819-772-7036 Email : kerry.main@compaq.como       -----Original Message-----6 From: Mathias Wolkert [mailto:tias77@bellatlantic.com]( Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 7:55 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comb@ Subject: Re: OM bid for London Stock Exchange: does OM use VMS ?     Read it at:h  H http://www.omtechnology.com/products/finance/clickExchange/technical.htm   /Tias4    3 "Roy Omond" <Roy.Omond@compaq.com> wrote in messageo$ news:39AD10F8.8C156763@compaq.com...J > As many will be aware, the Swedish company OM has recently been involved >r2 > in a takeover bid for the London Stock Exchange. >u> > Anyone have any inside information whether OM is using VMS ?I > (I get a certain "feeling" from their web-site that VMS is indeed theren > ...) >y > Roy Omond  > Blue Bubble Ltd.. > (certainly not speaking on behalf of Compaq) >m   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 01:01:04 GMTt From: fooguy <jweisen@ta.edu>r* Subject: quota.sys missing from disk root?) Message-ID: <8p1gkb$42h$1@nnrp1.deja.com>c  B Every month we take an image backup of our Alpha's disk array, andG before doing so today I realized I hadn't run analyze/disk_structure inhG a while. One of the errors it generated was that quota.sys was missing.i9 Is this a big problem? Is there anyway I can recreate it?V   Thanks,o John   --- *********************************************u( "All I every wanted from life was to see, Larry Wall give Bill Gates a Perl Necklace."   /* John Eisenschmidtd- jweisen AT AT AT eisenschmidt DOT DOT DOT orgs (you know the drill) */    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 09:29:40 +0800c- From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>t. Subject: Re: quota.sys missing from disk root?+ Message-ID: <39B44C84.2A76E00B@bigpond.com>a  
 fooguy wrote:y > D > Every month we take an image backup of our Alpha's disk array, andI > before doing so today I realized I hadn't run analyze/disk_structure iniI > a while. One of the errors it generated was that quota.sys was missing.n; > Is this a big problem? Is there anyway I can recreate it?a > 	 > Thanks,n > John  e7 I assume the "error" you are seeing is the following...i  . %ANALDISK-I-OPENQUOTA, error opening QUOTA.SYS ..........^ 9 indicates this an "informational" message, not an "error"r  " -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file  1 Unless you want to enable quotas, just ignore it.h   --   Regards, Dave.tI -------------------------------------------------------------------------nI David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.com I DBS software at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmoI "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon1   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 20:27:30 -0500p7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>n. Subject: Re: quota.sys missing from disk root?, Message-ID: <39B44C02.3A618E6@earthlink.net>  
 fooguy wrote:e > D > Every month we take an image backup of our Alpha's disk array, andI > before doing so today I realized I hadn't run analyze/disk_structure in I > a while. One of the errors it generated was that quota.sys was missing. ; > Is this a big problem? Is there anyway I can recreate it?f    If this is the message you mean:  . %ANALDISK-I-OPENQUOTA, error opening QUOTA.SYS" -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file  C ...notice that the severity ("-I-") is _I_nformational. It's not anoF "error". If QUOTA.SYS is present on the volume, the system will enableG disk quotas when it is MOUNTed. You may not (probably don't) want to dow this.m   -- n David J. Dachterar dba DJE Systemsp http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 21:46:41 -0400r2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>* Subject: quota.sys missing from disk root?7 Message-ID: <200009042146_MC2-B228-C974@compuserve.com>w  J         It's easy enough to "recreate" QUOTA.SYS if you *really* want to.=  =  & Just enable disk quotas on the volume!  B         I'd just ignore it unless I wanted to enforce disk quotas.   Message text written by fooguyC >Every month we take an image backup of our Alpha's disk array, andoG before doing so today I realized I hadn't run analyze/disk_structure ineG a while. One of the errors it generated was that quota.sys was missing.s9 Is this a big problem? Is there anyway I can recreate it?i <m   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 22:11:06 -0400 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>. Subject: Re: quota.sys missing from disk root?> Message-ID: <hshubs-9DA1F6.22110604092000@news.mindspring.com>  B In article <8p1gkb$42h$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, fooguy <jweisen@ta.edu>  wrote:  C >Every month we take an image backup of our Alpha's disk array, andxH >before doing so today I realized I hadn't run analyze/disk_structure inH >a while. One of the errors it generated was that quota.sys was missing.: >Is this a big problem? Is there anyway I can recreate it?  D Unless the disk is supposed to have disk quotas enabled, it's not a  problem.  + BTW you two: what's with the enormous sigs?    --  K "People are the only mirror we have to see ourselves in.  The domain of alliL meaning.  All virtue, all evil, are contained only in people.  There is noneN in the universe at large.  Solitary confinement is a punishment in every humanH culture" -- Countess Cordelia Naismith Vorkosigan (Lois McMaster Bujold)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 02:24:00 GMT  From: walkerp1@my-deja.com. Subject: Re: quota.sys missing from disk root?) Message-ID: <8p1lfm$91h$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   A QUOTA.SYS keeps track of UIC diskquota statistics, and may not be E present if diskquotas have not been enabled on a volume.  If you know1D that the volume has indeed had diskquotas enabled, then you may haveC stumbled onto a problem.  IIRC, though, Analyze/Disk_structure willwE complain about QUOTA.SYS's absence even if diskquotas have never beenO enabled.  ) In article <8p1gkb$42h$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,     fooguy <jweisen@ta.edu> wrote:D > Every month we take an image backup of our Alpha's disk array, andF > before doing so today I realized I hadn't run analyze/disk_structure in@ > a while. One of the errors it generated was that quota.sys was missing.; > Is this a big problem? Is there anyway I can recreate it?a >l	 > Thanks,i > John >  > --/ > *********************************************l* > "All I every wanted from life was to see. > Larry Wall give Bill Gates a Perl Necklace." >l > /* > John Eisenschmidtm/ > jweisen AT AT AT eisenschmidt DOT DOT DOT org  > (you know the drill) > */ > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.r >     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:58:23 -0500p* From: Keith Brown <kbrown780@usfamily.net>D Subject: Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research?, Message-ID: <39B4452F.44BC0A5F@usfamily.net>   Jerry Leslie wrote:  > 2 > Robert J. Slover (slover@Rose-Hulman.Edu) wrote: > :cD > : Count yourself lucky that you even have a chance, however small.C > : I've been told I've got to find a way to be rid of both our VMSi= > : clusters (VAX and Alpha) by the end of December.  New VP.g > :eD > : I come to work now sick to my stomach.  My cluster uptime is 232E > : days...since we took things down in January when they put a new 3 D > : phase power feed into the building.  Don't know how long we were5 > : up prior to that.  Nothing else here comes close.e > :a > : --Robert > :4 > 	 > Robert,i > B > Life's too short to come to work sick to your stomach every day. > C > My former employer, Aspen Technologies, was displaying tendenciesrB > towards becoming a 100% Microsoft shop, which was a major reasonE > I left. They expected me to be able to maintain Wintel Cartel boxest0 > as well as I do VMS systems, overlooking that: > = >  o NT/W2K has no way to support remote crash dump analysis.t@ >    I checked this with Alan Frisbie and Jamie Hanrahan on this+ >    topic, and Jamie teaches NT internals.s > E >  o There is no Microsoft equivalent to the Customer Support Center.a= >    Just whip out the ole credit card, KA-CHING, KA-CHING...u > F > I'm now a contract VMS system manager for a pipeline control center,9 > where there's no desire to give up working VMS systems.  > 1 > --Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.net = >                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalid 4 >                  (my opinions are strictly my own)  = I second Jerry on this one.  I too went looking for a new jobh9 when my former employer brought in the Wonder Boy CIO whor= "ordered" us to replace the VMS cluster with NT.  All the VMSr= support people left within a year as new NT people came in tov> move the company into the 21st century.  Instead they moved to; the unemployment line when they were unable to get their NTv; "solution" to run and the company went bankrupt while still  trying to make it run. o  > There are some good VMS jobs out there and there are companies! that are not trying to ditch VMS.y -- y Keith Brownd kbrown780@usfamily.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 20:38:52 -0500V7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>nD Subject: Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research?- Message-ID: <39B44EAC.1A337E80@earthlink.net>t   Keith Brown wrote: [snip] s@ > There are some good VMS jobs out there and there are companies# > that are not trying to ditch VMS.e  , They are, however, *VASTLY* in the minority.  ? 'Bout the only "saving" grace is the dearth of OpenVMS people. <  F The "Law of Supply and Demand" is playing some strange games with thisG one. On the one hand, employers know that OpenVMS jobs are rare. On theeC other hand, OpenVMS people are even more rare. So, employers try totD squeeze you on salary from their perspective, while you're trying toB negotiate a senior person's fair salary from your own perspective.  C ...and all the while the NT Kids and their point-and-click toys areS "running" the enterprises.   --   David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/m  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 04:36:35 GMT54 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie)D Subject: Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research?& Message-ID: <nL_s5.86$oC3.1440@insync>  6 David J. Dachtera (djesys.nospam@earthlink.net) wrote: : Keith Brown wrote:	 : [snip] oB : > There are some good VMS jobs out there and there are companies% : > that are not trying to ditch VMS.o : . : They are, however, *VASTLY* in the minority. : A : 'Bout the only "saving" grace is the dearth of OpenVMS people. , : H : The "Law of Supply and Demand" is playing some strange games with thisI : one. On the one hand, employers know that OpenVMS jobs are rare. On theuE : other hand, OpenVMS people are even more rare. So, employers try totF : squeeze you on salary from their perspective, while you're trying toD : negotiate a senior person's fair salary from your own perspective. : E : ...and all the while the NT Kids and their point-and-click toys aret : "running" the enterprises. :    Shouldn't that read:  F   "...and all the while the NT Kids and their point-and-click toys are   "ruining" the enterprises."e  / --Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.net ;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalide2                  (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:11:58 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>i* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist( Message-ID: <8p1kia$eln$1@pyrite.mv.net>  = Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message 6 news:TTOs5.68493$_s1.798757@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... >aI > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote in-. > message news:39B383BB.801BF18D@uk.sun.com... > > Rob Young wrote:
 > So whatsF > > happened, WildFire isn't revolutionary its just a NUMA system with2 > > similar memory latency to the old Origin 2000. >5L > Ah. The ancient Origin 2000 had a maximum local to remote latency ratio of > 1:3?  G Yup - in fact, both local and remote latencies were very similar to the K Wildfire numbers.  The worst-case remote number may have been a hair over 1,H us., but via an arguably more conservative measurement - and the averageK numbers may have been a smidge better than Wildfire's, since some distancesnJ across the hypercube (used up to 64 processors - it took a 'fat' hypercubeJ to reach 512 processors, IIRC) were a bit shorter than others:  see a very? recent and really informative post in comp.arch by John Mashey."   ...    > >Finally people D > > have not bought them in droves (another prediction) according to  > > Compaq sales have been slow. >PI > Hmmm... I would love to see the CPQ quote on slow GS-Series sales. Last H > numbers I saw were 237 (plus 100 Marvel systems) on Day One, and about' > shipments in the last month of 2FQ00.c  G I suspect Andrew is referring to actual sales rather than orders (other0D vendors have gotten into real trouble with the SEC for confusing theJ two...), which ISTR haven't met expectations, though whether due to supply  or demand problems I don't know.   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 03:20:07 GMTl  From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>1 Subject: Re: TCP/IP 5.0A PatchList or ECO Summarya8 Message-ID: <col8rscv2mm0f6926p4llo93n4qdk8687n@4ax.com>  F I'd be curious to hear specific of your lpd problems.  I've setup someC large-scale lpd servers (thousands of printers), and even converteds9 Multinet servers to TCP/IP Services product, and found no  unsurmountable problems.  C That said, I do *not* use the standard lprsetup procedure.  I can'teE stand the way it insists on entering so many things, and is difficultp; to automate.  I created command procedures that accept somee7 command-line parameters, adds the relevant lines to theeC tcpip$printcap.dat file, and then creates the queues, if necessary.-  A Note that some printers need streaming format (if you get the RMSeE error "record too large for users buffer" then you need to change how8F the printer works).  This means, you can't use the telnet symbiont and must use the lpd_smb instead.a  ? I also found that the tcpip$lpd_queue will *always* receive therD printer and, if there's a "rm" and "rp"  value for it, automaticallyF send the job back out the same queue.  This drives me crazy since this7 makes *all* printers (remember, there's a few thousand)oB single-threaded through one printer execution queue.  What I do isD create two different printer queues for each lpd printer:  The first> only has the "lp" information, and the user sends jobs to thisF printer, but it is really a VMS Generic queue that sends the output toB an execution queue that uses the TCPIP$LPD_SMB, and has the proper@ "rm" & "rp" designation in the printcap file.  What this does is@ *force* the tcpip$lpd_queue to send the job to another VMS printF queue, which can then process the job out to the printer.  It preventsC a single "hung" printer from causing problems for other print jobs.e    1 On Mon, 04 Sep 2000 09:29:18 +0100, Chris Sharmana% <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> wrote:e   >oH >I called CSC (UK) a week or two back, preparatory to installing 5.0A inA >the hope of fixing lpd problems we're having (can't see anythingSF >relevant in the FAQ). I was told no patch yet, & after discussion was8 >recommended to upgrade 4.2 from eco 2 to eco 4 instead.  1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaqe- (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)M   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 06:49:12 +0200S2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)  Subject: Re: WORD viewer for VMS; Message-ID: <39b47b48.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>w  . JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca) wrote:H : Any chance of Compaq committing to providing an up to date prorpietary& : Microsoft Word viewer on VMS ? [...]  ' Y'know, that's a fast moving target :-)n  F Have a look at wvlib (http://www.wvWare.com/). Haven't tried it myselfG yet, but I seem to remember the author has an eye on having his program  run under VMS, too.    cu,a   Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.derN One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 15:13:16 -0500s; From: Second Rising Sun !! <secondrisingsun_2000@yahoo.com>t Subject: RE: Your FUTURE!s, Message-ID: <200009041527.SM00227@localhost>  d THIS IS NOT SPAM!  GO TO ems@theskynetwork.com to and request to be removed from the list they sell.       Hello,i Sorry for the intrusion.  I have received your email address as a person who is interested in an on-line dd business opportunity.  This is a one time emailing, your email will be deleted from my system after c this emailing.  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This is not hype, this is a legitimate business opportunity.    s/ _______________________________________________    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2000 22:23:28 +0200 * From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: RE: Your FUTURE!S* Message-ID: <39b404c0$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  j In article <200009041527.SM00227@localhost>, Second Rising Sun !! <secondrisingsun_2000@yahoo.com> writes: >THIS IS NOT SPAM! a  : Every mail/posting starting with this statement _is_ SPAM.   -- -< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888j< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" 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