1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 07 Sep 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 501       Contents:, Re: %SYSTEM-F-EXBUFOBJLM explanation anyone?, Re: %SYSTEM-F-EXBUFOBJLM explanation anyone?, Re: %SYSTEM-F-EXBUFOBJLM explanation anyone?, Re: %SYSTEM-F-EXBUFOBJLM explanation anyone?, Re: %SYSTEM-F-EXBUFOBJLM explanation anyone? Re: Apache V1.3-12 - DOA$ Applications and considtant backups.( Re: Applications and considtant backups. Re: Axtent product Audit Re: Axtent product Audit Backup Failures  RE: Backup Failures  Re: Backup Failures  Re: Backup Failures  Re: Backup Failures  Re: Backup Failures " Booting OpenVMS 7.2 w/o DecWindows& RE: Booting OpenVMS 7.2 w/o DecWindows& Re: CETS2000 - Registration screwed up& Re: CETS2000 - Registration screwed up DECC help porting  Re: DECC help porting  Re: DECC help porting  Re: DECC help porting  Re: DECC help porting 2 Re: FS: Cheap 164LX with 533Mhz 21164 CPU anybody?2 Re: FS: Cheap 164LX with 533Mhz 21164 CPU anybody?2 Re: FS: Cheap 164LX with 533Mhz 21164 CPU anybody?# Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS  Global buffers and SYSUAF  Re: Global buffers and SYSUAF  Re: Global buffers and SYSUAF * How Have You Been, I Hope You Remember Me! Re: I&DS Book QuestionP Re: Incoming: PC164LX with 533Mhz CPU's - DON'T READ IF OUR POSTINGS    OFFEND YP Re: Incoming: PC164LX with 533Mhz CPU's - DON'T READ IF OUR POSTINGS    OFFEND YP Re: Incoming: PC164LX with 533Mhz CPU's - DON'T READ IF OUR POSTINGSOFFEND YOU !* ISO8859 to/from UTF-8 character conversion RE: license trade-in/ OpenVMS filesystem reader for MicroSoft Windows 3 Re: OpenVMS filesystem reader for MicroSoft Windows 3 RE: OpenVMS filesystem reader for MicroSoft Windows 3 RE: OpenVMS filesystem reader for MicroSoft Windows 3 RE: OpenVMS filesystem reader for MicroSoft Windows  Re: Porting stuff.) publications about VMS and related topics  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  QUANTUM on newer systems release schedules  Re: release schedules  Re: release schedules  Re: release schedules % Re[2]: Sun's Bitter Harvest- Going OT ) Re: Re[2]: Sun's Bitter Harvest- Going OT - Settings for maximum speed of a BACKUP/IMAGE? 1 Re: Settings for maximum speed of a BACKUP/IMAGE? 1 Re: Settings for maximum speed of a BACKUP/IMAGE? 1 RE: Settings for maximum speed of a BACKUP/IMAGE? ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist  Re: Sun's Bitter Harvest Re: Sun's Bitter Harvest Re: Sun's Bitter Harvest Re: Sun's Bitter Harvest Trouble with Perl on VMS RE: using / in the symbol  Re: using / in the symbol  VMS jobs in the UK Re: VMS not starting Re: VMS not starting" writing multi-volume foreign tapes& Re: writing multi-volume foreign tapes& Re: writing multi-volume foreign tapes& RE: writing multi-volume foreign tapes& Re: writing multi-volume foreign tapes  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:01:58 +02008 From: "Kris G.G. Clippeleyr (aka Qkcl)" <kesu@xs4all.be>5 Subject: Re: %SYSTEM-F-EXBUFOBJLM explanation anyone? * Message-ID: <8p7i3i$jjr$1@news1.xs4all.nl>   Hi,   F I saw a reference to the SYSGEN parameters MAXBOBMEM & MAXBOBS0S1 whenJ installing the patch kit VMS721_P350 on our V7.2-1 boxes. The installation. procedure suggested a value of 32000 for both.  L Apart from controlling system space for buffer objects, I haven't got a clue
 what these parameters are for.   
 Greetings,   -- Kris G.G. Clippeleyr (aka Qkcl) & VMS Wizard in training, Guru wanna be!  # In a world without walls and fences  who needs windows and gates?   OpenVMS is today what Microsoft  wants Windows NT v8.0 to be!  C Mark Daniel wrote in message <39B6F940.7A53B48F@wasd.vsm.com.au>... I >This message was reported by a user when attempting to create a DECterm:  > E >  %SYSTEM-F-EXBUFOBJLM, exceeded systemwide buffer object page limit  >(MAXBOBMEM) > F >It's an AlphaServer DS20 500, VMS V7.1-2, with the relevant part of $ >SHOW MEM being  > C >  Buffer Object Usage (pages):                  In Use        Peak C >    32-bit System Space Windows (S0/S1)            100         100 C >    64-bit System Space Windows (S2)                 0           0 C >    Physical pages locked by buffer objects        100         100  > G >The error message was particularly helpful here!!  In SYSGEN there are G >three seemingly related parameters, all of which are indicated dynamic  > C >  Parameter Name    Current    Default     Min.      Max.     Unit  >DynamicC >  --------------    -------    -------    -------   -------   ----  >-------I >  MAXBOBMEM            1600       1600         0         -1 Pagelets   D I >   internal value       100        100         0         -1 Pages      D I >  MAXBOBS0S1           1600       1600         0         -1 Pagelets   D I >   internal value       100        100         0         -1 Pages      D I >  MAXBOBS2             1600       1600         0         -1 Pagelets   D I >   internal value       100        100         0         -1 Pages      D  > H >I pushed MAXBOBMEM up to 3200 for ACTIVE and that fixed it.  Guess I'll, >have to stick something into MODPARAMS.DAT. > E >Could someone explain what happened here (i.e. what's this parameter F >controlling)?  Any guidelines for calculating potential requirements? >  >TIA.  >  >-- C >"This electronic message and any attachments could not possibly be A >confidential otherwise it would not be sent unencrypted, via the B >Internet, through countless mailing agents, gateways, and using aB >plethora of other completely insecure and extremely public media.C >Even if you are not the intended recipient of this message you are D >free to use and abuse any and all of the contents as everyone knowsE >full-well that that with zero security available the only conclusion E >can be zero accountability.  No virus scanning software is used when D >composing or mailing this message, end-use automatically nullifyingD >liability for infestation or subversion caused by opinions or ideas >it may contain."    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2000 08:00:31 -0500 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: %SYSTEM-F-EXBUFOBJLM explanation anyone? + Message-ID: <J6wpQjJl942H@eisner.decus.org>   a In article <39B6F940.7A53B48F@wasd.vsm.com.au>, Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> writes:   F > Could someone explain what happened here (i.e. what's this parameter  C Buffer objects are used for Fast IO ($IO_PERFORM).  DECwindows is a C consumer of buffer objects (perhaps independent of $IO_PERFORM, but  for the same basic reasons.   G > controlling)?  Any guidelines for calculating potential requirements?   H Documentation has been sparse, but the currently available SDK indicates. this problem will be alleviated in the future.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:12:21 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) 5 Subject: Re: %SYSTEM-F-EXBUFOBJLM explanation anyone? 0 Message-ID: <009EFC23.6D8F2FDE@SendSpamHere.ORG>  a In article <39B6F940.7A53B48F@wasd.vsm.com.au>, Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> writes: I >This message was reported by a user when attempting to create a DECterm:  > E >  %SYSTEM-F-EXBUFOBJLM, exceeded systemwide buffer object page limit  >(MAXBOBMEM) > F >It's an AlphaServer DS20 500, VMS V7.1-2, with the relevant part of $ >SHOW MEM being  > C >  Buffer Object Usage (pages):                  In Use        Peak C >    32-bit System Space Windows (S0/S1)            100         100 C >    64-bit System Space Windows (S2)                 0           0 C >    Physical pages locked by buffer objects        100         100  > G >The error message was particularly helpful here!!  In SYSGEN there are G >three seemingly related parameters, all of which are indicated dynamic  > D >  Parameter Name    Current    Default     Min.      Max.     Unit  >DynamicD >  --------------    -------    -------    -------   -------   ----  >-------I >  MAXBOBMEM            1600       1600         0         -1 Pagelets   D I >   internal value       100        100         0         -1 Pages      D I >  MAXBOBS0S1           1600       1600         0         -1 Pagelets   D I >   internal value       100        100         0         -1 Pages      D I >  MAXBOBS2             1600       1600         0         -1 Pagelets   D I >   internal value       100        100         0         -1 Pages      D  > H >I pushed MAXBOBMEM up to 3200 for ACTIVE and that fixed it.  Guess I'll, >have to stick something into MODPARAMS.DAT. > E >Could someone explain what happened here (i.e. what's this parameter F >controlling)?  Any guidelines for calculating potential requirements?  H A buffer object is a double mapping of process address space with systemG address space.  Some region of process address space and system address H space are mapped by sharing the same PFN.  This allows VMS to write intoI the system address space and the data can be immediately read in the pro- H cess address space which is mapped; however, the process with the mappedI address space does NOT have to be current.  The SYSGEN parameter places a H restriction upon how many buffer object can be created.  fOr further in-I formation on buffer objects, check into the latest documentation concern-  ing Fast IO.  H I too have encountered this error and could not create DECterms.  I haveI not ascertained whether or not there's a bug in the exec code or DECterm  I code causing this and have had to increase MAXBOBMEM time and time again. H I have also encountered it far more frequently on a V7.2-1 system than I have on a V7.1-2 system.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:12:42 -0400 5 From: Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@compaq.com.doom> 5 Subject: Re: %SYSTEM-F-EXBUFOBJLM explanation anyone? / Message-ID: <39B7B06A.87773820@compaq.com.doom>   d     The reason you see this is that DECterms use the Pseudo Terminal driver.  It uses buffer objects to allow it tob speed up I/O on the controlling side of the Pseudo Terminal.  Which consists of lots of little one and 2 byte I/OH requests.  So speed improvements were looked for in all kinds of places.  e     The history is that buffer objects were added to V5.4 for the Pseudo Terminal driver.  There were  some newd I/O completion routines added at the same time.  Again to speed up I/O completion.  These hooks were largely C unnoticed until the I/O speed up work was done many versions later.      Forrest Kenney OpenVMS    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 17:21:18 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) 5 Subject: Re: %SYSTEM-F-EXBUFOBJLM explanation anyone? 0 Message-ID: <009EFC56.F87D25C7@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <39B7B06A.87773820@compaq.com.doom>, Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@compaq.com.doom> writes:  > e >    The reason you see this is that DECterms use the Pseudo Terminal driver.  It uses buffer objects  >to allow it to c >speed up I/O on the controlling side of the Pseudo Terminal.  Which consists of lots of little one  >and 2 byte I/O I >requests.  So speed improvements were looked for in all kinds of places.  > f >    The history is that buffer objects were added to V5.4 for the Pseudo Terminal driver.  There were	 >some new e >I/O completion routines added at the same time.  Again to speed up I/O completion.  These hooks were  >largelyD >unnoticed until the I/O speed up work was done many versions later. >  >  >Forrest Kenney  >OpenVMS  J The problem, however, seems to be that these BOs are not returned/releasedJ even if the FT device is deallocated.  I've killed of DECterms when I haveI encountered these errors and then I cannot create others.  The onlu solu- F tion seems to be to increase MAXBOBMEM which is, fortunately, dynamic.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:37:37 GMT - From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) ! Subject: Re: Apache V1.3-12 - DOA 0 Message-ID: <39b7a642.10211102@swen.process.com>  @ On Wed, 06 Sep 2000 22:33:10 -0400, Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> wrote:  L >Last I knew when Apache was started an image was installed with sufficient K >privs, but they might not be the right ones for TCPWare or there might be  J >an issue with it's UCX emulation. (Multinet had that problem, and Apache  >really abuses UCX)  > B Yes, you need the latest DR IVERS ECO kit (DRIVERS_V543P030).  TheD problem is caused by Apache's creating the prot with privs, but then? dropping them before doing the bind() to port 80.  MultiNet and B TCPware did not support this, but both do with the appropriate ECO kits.   7 ftp://ftp.process.com/support/54_3/drivers_v543p030.zip   F As Dan said, Apache (and FastTrack) really abuse the UCX features, and@ both used features that hadn't not been emulated by MultiNet and TCPware, though both do now.   ------------------------------    Date: 07 Sep 2000 17:09:33 +08005 From: Paul Repacholi <prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> - Subject: Applications and considtant backups. 7 Message-ID: <rjqwvgoin5e.fsf@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>   ; Since this one is a current topic, I thought I'd try flying , a kite and see what the general oppinion is.  6 To my mind, the key missing bit is the ability to have9 a master RSB for ALL applications to hang off. This means : that it needs to be passed to RMS/RDB/whatever so all file+ and data locks are sub-locks of the master.   C If this could be done, then all the apps could sync, close, re0open @ and continue. With a window to grab all the data in a consistant state.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 09:28:11 -0500 1 From: Andy Goldstein <Goldstein@star.zko.dec.com> 1 Subject: Re: Applications and considtant backups. 0 Message-ID: <39B75FAB.2FC576E8@star.zko.dec.com>   Paul Repacholi wrote:  >  [implementation detail snipped]  > E > If this could be done, then all the apps could sync, close, re0open B > and continue. With a window to grab all the data in a consistant > state.  E We're working on this for RMS. We've been brainstorming this idea for H some time. A fully general solution is very very hard, but we're puttingF something together for RMS-based applications. It's too early, though, for details or time frame.   - Andy   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 10:58:07 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) ! Subject: Re: Axtent product Audit 0 Message-ID: <009EFC21.70E53D54@SendSpamHere.ORG>  D In article <8p6ese$k26$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, trdorr@my-deja.com writes:6 >I thought there was a product by AXTENT called AUDIT. >Is this true?7 >AUDIT is suppose to track every keystroke a user does.  >Anyone using AUDIT? >Thanks, >Tom >  > ' >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/  >Before you buy.    H It's AXENT.  The AXENT security products for VMS: AUDIT, Intruder Alert,H and KBLock have been sold to Legacy Technologies ( www.legacytech.net ).F The link to information about these products seems to be broken at the moment.   ( AUDIT does indeed track user keystrokes.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:03:10 +0000 $ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk! Subject: Re: Axtent product Audit / Message-ID: <00256953.004CEE8D.00@quegw01.btyp>   = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza     , As an alternative, we use VIDEO from Cyrano.   Steve Spires        1 system@SendSpamHere.ORG on 07/09/2000 10:58:07 AM     To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages) @ From:      system@SendSpamHere.ORG, 7 September 2000, 10:58 a.m.   Re: Axtent product Audit        D In article <8p6ese$k26$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, trdorr@my-deja.com writes:6 >I thought there was a product by AXTENT called AUDIT. >Is this true?7 >AUDIT is suppose to track every keystroke a user does.d >Anyone using AUDIT? >Thanks, >Tom >d >n' >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/t >Before you buy.    H It's AXENT.  The AXENT security products for VMS: AUDIT, Intruder Alert,H and KBLock have been sold to Legacy Technologies ( www.legacytech.net ).F The link to information about these products seems to be broken at the moment.s  ( AUDIT does indeed track user keystrokes.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM   O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.P   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:04:36 -0400a. From: "HYMAN, LYNN L" <llhyman@pstcc.cc.tn.us> Subject: Backup Failures< Message-ID: <EXECMAIL.1000907110436.C@mc108d.pstcc.cc.tn.us>  D Our backups continue to fail, despite several hardware replacements,A with the message:  "VOLINV, volume is not software enabled."  The'A backup starts to run, backs up part of the disk to tape, and theni fails with this message.  ; We have an Alpha 2100, running VMS 7.1, using VMS backup toh a TZ87 tape drive.  Any ideas?   TIA.   -------------------o
 Lynn Hyman Systems & Operations Support- Pellissippi State Technical Community Collegef
 (865)694-6725  llhyman@pstcc.cc.tn.us   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:29:31 -0400w: From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com> Subject: RE: Backup FailuresK Message-ID: <D7E0F3C94377D311A24A00805F19D0EE52A6E0@MBCALBEXC04.BENDER.COM>t   > -----Original Message-----5 > From: HYMAN, LYNN L [mailto:llhyman@pstcc.cc.tn.us]e- > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 11:05 AMe > To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.coms > Subject: Backup Failures > F > Our backups continue to fail, despite several hardware replacements,C > with the message:  "VOLINV, volume is not software enabled."  TheeC > backup starts to run, backs up part of the disk to tape, and thenx > fails with this message. > = > We have an Alpha 2100, running VMS 7.1, using VMS backup toe  > a TZ87 tape drive.  Any ideas? >  > TIA. >  > -------------------t > Lynn Hyman > Systems & Operations Support/ > Pellissippi State Technical Community College  > (865)694-6725m > llhyman@pstcc.cc.tn.us  G Any patches applied to BACKUP?  I believe there were several ALPBACK###p+ ECOs, of which one may resolve the issue.  e  L Also, you do not mention how the tape drive is attached, nor to what type ofL machine.  In the past, I have seen SCSI tape drives attached inappropriatelyL to Mylex DAC960 controllers on AlphaServer 2100s.  Namely, the external SCSID connector was being used with SCSI cables that exceeded cable lengthI specifications.  The internal ribbon cable length plus the internal cablea; length of the controller were not taken into consideration.M  L I have also gotten the error message mentioned when more than one tape driveK has the same SCSI ID.  Sometimes, pending on the model of tape drives used,rJ the toggle switches controlling the SCSI ID do not quite get fully set.  IH would try toggling to some SCSI ID number, and then toggling back to theH original SCSI ID number, followed by a power cycle.  Not having a uniqueJ SCSI ID number for each SCSI device, having to many SCSI devices on a SCSII channel, or lack of proper SCSI termination, can effect the error message9 you mentioned.  H A little more info, and someone here will bound to give you an idea that will lead to a solution.   :) jck   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 15:36:56 GMT 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>h Subject: Re: Backup Failures2 Message-ID: <39B7B7C6.20B862B2@clarityconnect.com>  , Does the tape unit have the latest firmware?) Does the system have the latest firmware? D Have you loaded all the applicable patches (backup, IO drivers, tape	 drivers)? F Describe the IO path from the 2100 to the TZ87 including IO controllerE type, cable types and cable lengths and if this is a SCSI bus include  SCSI termination.r> What does the error log say, if anything, for these instances?   "HYMAN, LYNN L" wrote: > F > Our backups continue to fail, despite several hardware replacements,C > with the message:  "VOLINV, volume is not software enabled."  The C > backup starts to run, backs up part of the disk to tape, and thenn > fails with this message. > = > We have an Alpha 2100, running VMS 7.1, using VMS backup to   > a TZ87 tape drive.  Any ideas? >  > TIA.   -- eD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 12:17:07 -0400s2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Backup FailuresL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0709001217080001@user-2ive6hl.dialup.mindspring.com>  l In article <EXECMAIL.1000907110436.C@mc108d.pstcc.cc.tn.us>, "HYMAN, LYNN L" <llhyman@pstcc.cc.tn.us> wrote:  F > Our backups continue to fail, despite several hardware replacements,C > with the message:  "VOLINV, volume is not software enabled."  The,C > backup starts to run, backs up part of the disk to tape, and thenb > fails with this message. > = > We have an Alpha 2100, running VMS 7.1, using VMS backup toa  > a TZ87 tape drive.  Any ideas?  H I haven't seen this particular message in this context.  I guess I would8 look at the error logs if you haven't done that already.  G In the grand scheme of things, VMS 7.1 needs a LOT of ECOs applied, and F there were several around disk and tape support IIRC.  Unless you haveI already applied most of the patches, it would be far easier to upgrade to-M 7.1-2, and then apply just a few patches that came out later.  7.1-2 is cheapLJ ($20 or so) and easy.  If you can manage a couple of hours of downtime, it  might cure your backup problems.   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comm   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 16:39:43 GMTn' From: "Bill R. King" <brking@flash.net>  Subject: Re: Backup Failures% Message-ID: <39B7C477.6540@flash.net>    Hi Lynn,  @ Are you certain that some of the files are written to the tape?   7 I believe that the TZ-87 uses only DLT-III cartridges. y  F Any possibility that you are trying to write to a DLT-III-XT or DLT-IV
 cartridge?   Bill   Bill R. King, P.E. Data Recovery Internationall 2621 Brookridge Drivef Hurst, TX, 76054-2761  USA   Tel 817-281-8901 Fax 817-656-0079   http://www.datarecover.com brking@datarecover.com  D Specializing in 9-track, 3480/3490/3490E, DLT, 8mm, and 4mm DAT data	 recovery.e         HYMAN, LYNN L wrote: > F > Our backups continue to fail, despite several hardware replacements,C > with the message:  "VOLINV, volume is not software enabled."  ThedC > backup starts to run, backs up part of the disk to tape, and thenB > fails with this message. > = > We have an Alpha 2100, running VMS 7.1, using VMS backup toD  > a TZ87 tape drive.  Any ideas? >  > TIA. >  > -------------------  > Lynn Hyman > Systems & Operations Support/ > Pellissippi State Technical Community Collegen > (865)694-6725  > llhyman@pstcc.cc.tn.us   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 09:58:34 -0700y+ From: "Jack B. Nimble" <vmsmanager@ups.edu>0 Subject: Re: Backup Failures# Message-ID: <39B7C93B.404D@ups.edu>e  G We had a similar problem at one time. Ours was with a TZ88 mounted in a 1 StorageWorks box connected to a Mylex controller.r  C Believe it or not, just cleaning the drive often fixed the problem.-  E The other problem was when we were backing up a drive that was in theMC same StorageWorks shelf as the tape drive. We found that everything A worked best when the tape drive was the only device on the shelf.    Bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 09:42:43 -0500 - From: "Herman Z. Resto" <hresto@ci.mil.wi.us> + Subject: Booting OpenVMS 7.2 w/o DecWindows , Message-ID: <39B7A963.2C850D36@ci.mil.wi.us>  G I'm new to the OpenVMS OS, and just installed the Hobbyist Kit on a DEC G Multia/UDB box. Everything went smoothly, and I was able to install and E enable the License PAK for the OPENVMS-ALPHA product. When I boot up,mC DECWindows brings me to the logon prompt. My problem is that when IlE enter "SYSTEM" as user, and my password, I get an "LMF login Failed".fG Does the OPENVMS-ALPHA PAK includes the DWMOTIF license? Is there a ways% to boot w/o DecWindows to a $ prompt?s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 12:11:49 -0300 1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>a/ Subject: RE: Booting OpenVMS 7.2 w/o DecWindows K Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AEAA9@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>r  C Yes you can boot to a $ prompt or without windows.  See the logical J DECW$IGNORE (I think that's it, it's explained in the SYLOGICALS.TEMPLATE.L You can get to the dollar prompt from a conversational boot and changing theD startup command file to OPA0:  See the OpenVMS FAQ for more details. - Darren   > ----------2 > From: 	Herman Z. Resto[SMTP:hresto@ci.mil.wi.us]. > Sent: 	Thursday, September 07, 2000 11:42 AM > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com. > Subject: 	Booting OpenVMS 7.2 w/o DecWindows > I > I'm new to the OpenVMS OS, and just installed the Hobbyist Kit on a DECpI > Multia/UDB box. Everything went smoothly, and I was able to install and G > enable the License PAK for the OPENVMS-ALPHA product. When I boot up,aE > DECWindows brings me to the logon prompt. My problem is that when I G > enter "SYSTEM" as user, and my password, I get an "LMF login Failed".mI > Does the OPENVMS-ALPHA PAK includes the DWMOTIF license? Is there a wayB' > to boot w/o DecWindows to a $ prompt?h >  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andhJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyhL are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingn of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudaeF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2000 12:41:59 -0500H1 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)R/ Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Registration screwed ups+ Message-ID: <c4R6SrzBzR+G@eisner.decus.org>   ; I'm getting more and more frustrated at this whole process.y  K I booked my DECUS\\\\\ CETS hotel Through Maritz before leaving on vacation K at the end of July. They sent me a confirmation back, but failed to book melI for the weekend seminars. I immediately told them that was incorrect, andW* that I needed one room for the whole week.  I Today I get a call from Kathy, no last name, no phone number, of (mumble, I eventually translated to maritz) that the Holiday Inn has no room for therJ first two nights, and I'll need to change rooms in the middle of the week. This is just unacceptable.  K At least I had my corporate travel folks handle the airline reservations. Il% wish I had them handle the hotel too.r  I What kind of incompetent idiots have been hired to run this mess? BetweenmK the travel bozos, and the web registration mess, it really makes me want toaA just not bother in the future. If things in LA go as badly as ther? registration process has indicated, this will likely be my lasts4 participation. And I'm sure I won't be the only one.  : It's as bad as the government. It just doesn't make sense.   	Bob Kaplow	  J postmaster@127.0.0.1 jeshuel@earthlink.net webmaster@global-prosperity.comD paul@still.zzn.com strategies1221f@hotmail.com Blindfury1010@aol.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 17:24:36 GMTt= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)3/ Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Registration screwed upS0 Message-ID: <009EFC57.6E7C9E58@SendSpamHere.ORG>  _ In article <c4R6SrzBzR+G@eisner.decus.org>, kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) writes: < >I'm getting more and more frustrated at this whole process. >eL >I booked my DECUS\\\\\ CETS hotel Through Maritz before leaving on vacationL >at the end of July. They sent me a confirmation back, but failed to book meJ >for the weekend seminars. I immediately told them that was incorrect, and+ >that I needed one room for the whole week.n > J >Today I get a call from Kathy, no last name, no phone number, of (mumble,J >eventually translated to maritz) that the Holiday Inn has no room for theK >first two nights, and I'll need to change rooms in the middle of the week.e >This is just unacceptable.a >aL >At least I had my corporate travel folks handle the airline reservations. I& >wish I had them handle the hotel too. >0J >What kind of incompetent idiots have been hired to run this mess? BetweenL >the travel bozos, and the web registration mess, it really makes me want toB >just not bother in the future. If things in LA go as badly as the@ >registration process has indicated, this will likely be my last5 >participation. And I'm sure I won't be the only one.a  ' Looking for someone to second?  I'm in!n  ; >It's as bad as the government. It just doesn't make sense.v  H The gov't makes sense.  It exists to better the special interests of allG of those in gov't.  I fail to see how being a party to CETS will betteri anyone in a fimilar fashion.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMc             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 16:40:06 GMTh From: trevor_deja@my-deja.com- Subject: DECC help porting) Message-ID: <8p8gd1$v5s$1@nnrp1.deja.com>s  E I'm trying to build some code using DEC C V6.0 on VAX VMS 6.2 and I'daG appreciate some help.  I'm getting several undefined symbol errors whenp I link like ...   3 %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol BCOPY referenced (         in psect $CODE offset %X0000038EG         in module CLIENT file SYS$SYSDEVICE:[DHCPC.VMSUCX]CLIENT.OBJ;20s  ! During Compile I get warnings ...t  8            bcopy(ifinfo.haddr, s, sizeof(ifinfo.haddr));         ...^@ %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "bcopy" is
 implicitly  declared as a function.*                 Listing line number 15142.%                 At line number 165 in-' SYS$SYSDEVICE:[DHCPC.VMSUCX]CLIENT.C;3.0  B I've tried linking to different C run time libraries but still getD undefined symbol errors.  I've tried adding #include <strings.h> but still get errors.   B I have RTFM but C and me are not really the best of friends, and IE can't see what I'm doing wrong.  I'd really appreciate some advice on   how to get it to build correctly   Regards, Trevors   trevor_deja@my-deja.comT    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2000 17:11:05 GMTr2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: DECC help porting6 Message-ID: <8p8i79$o20$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  I In article <8p8gd1$v5s$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, trevor_deja@my-deja.com writes:kA :I'm trying to build some code using DEC C V6.0 on VAX VMS 6.2...1C :I have RTFM but C and me are not really the best of friends, and IeF :can't see what I'm doing wrong.  I'd really appreciate some advice on! :how to get it to build correctly   J   Please check the OpenVMS FAQ, and specifically please check the section H   on C programming considerations -- this looks to be a case of the need6   for the /PREFIX stuff, as is discussed in the FAQ...  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2000 17:15:56 GMTs2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: DECC help porting6 Message-ID: <8p8igc$o20$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  I In article <8p8gd1$v5s$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, trevor_deja@my-deja.com writes:IC :I have RTFM but C and me are not really the best of friends, and IdF :can't see what I'm doing wrong.  I'd really appreciate some advice on! :how to get it to build correctly   H   Ooops.  It's not CC/PREFIX.  Check the backport library or (IIRC) you H   can also get these new calls via applying a CRTL ECO, as bcopy itself	G   was not integrated into OpenVMS shareable image prior to V7.0.  Your  I   compiler installs this and other calls as part of the backport support.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2000 14:22:44 -0500m2 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg) Subject: Re: DECC help porting+ Message-ID: <LBqMYwodb3Ps@eisner.decus.org>>  I In article <8p8gd1$v5s$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, trevor_deja@my-deja.com writes:hG > I'm trying to build some code using DEC C V6.0 on VAX VMS 6.2 and I'daI > appreciate some help.  I'm getting several undefined symbol errors whene > I link like ...n > 5 > %LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol BCOPY referencedt* >         in psect $CODE offset %X0000038EI >         in module CLIENT file SYS$SYSDEVICE:[DHCPC.VMSUCX]CLIENT.OBJ;20h > # > During Compile I get warnings ...  > : >            bcopy(ifinfo.haddr, s, sizeof(ifinfo.haddr)); >         ...^B > %CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "bcopy" is > implicitly > D > I've tried linking to different C run time libraries but still getF > undefined symbol errors.  I've tried adding #include <strings.h> but > still get errors.: > D > I have RTFM but C and me are not really the best of friends, and IG > can't see what I'm doing wrong.  I'd really appreciate some advice onp" > how to get it to build correctly  H For some reason the DECC strings.h header file only defines the functionI prototype for the bcopy() routine if you are building on a version of VMS, greater or equal to 7.0.   If you use:   
 #ifndef bcopyp3 #define bcopy(__x, __y, __z) memmove(__y, __x, __z)Z #endif   It should make your code work.   -John- wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 17:29:15 GMTo= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)  Subject: Re: DECC help porting0 Message-ID: <009EFC58.14A42D13@SendSpamHere.ORG>  I In article <8p8gd1$v5s$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, trevor_deja@my-deja.com writes: F >I'm trying to build some code using DEC C V6.0 on VAX VMS 6.2 and I'dH >appreciate some help.  I'm getting several undefined symbol errors when >I link like ... > 4 >%LINK-W-USEUNDEF, undefined symbol BCOPY referenced) >        in psect $CODE offset %X0000038E H >        in module CLIENT file SYS$SYSDEVICE:[DHCPC.VMSUCX]CLIENT.OBJ;20 >e" >During Compile I get warnings ... >n9 >           bcopy(ifinfo.haddr, s, sizeof(ifinfo.haddr));m
 >        ...^oA >%CC-I-IMPLICITFUNC, In this statement, the identifier "bcopy" isn >implicitly  > declared as a function.g+ >                Listing line number 15142.i& >                At line number 165 in( >SYS$SYSDEVICE:[DHCPC.VMSUCX]CLIENT.C;3. >cC >I've tried linking to different C run time libraries but still getvE >undefined symbol errors.  I've tried adding #include <strings.h> butd >still get errors. >eC >I have RTFM but C and me are not really the best of friends, and I F >can't see what I'm doing wrong.  I'd really appreciate some advice on! >how to get it to build correctlys >t >Regards, Trevor >- >trevor_deja@my-deja.com >  >e' >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/M >Before you buy.    E Have you tried compiling with /PREFIX_LIBRARY_ENTRIES=ALL_ENTRIES????C  F Depending upon what you are linking with your program, you may need to5 explore other /PREFIX_LIBRARY_ENTRIES syntax options.y   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2000 15:33:03 GMTh2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman); Subject: Re: FS: Cheap 164LX with 533Mhz 21164 CPU anybody? 6 Message-ID: <8p8cff$mud$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  B In article <8p65jv$15qp$1@news.aha.ru>, "pbc" <pbc@aha.ru> writes:> :Will sell AlphaPC164LX mobo with or without 533MHz 21164 CPU.  E   To preempt a likely question, OpenVMS does not support this widget.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:26:01 +0400 From: "pbc" <pbc@aha.ru>; Subject: Re: FS: Cheap 164LX with 533Mhz 21164 CPU anybody? ' Message-ID: <8p8fiq$1vii$1@news.aha.ru>d  4 I pesonally installed OpenVMS 7.2 on several 164LXs.   Works fine.s      K Hoff Hoffman wrote in message <8p8cff$mud$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>...n >tC >In article <8p65jv$15qp$1@news.aha.ru>, "pbc" <pbc@aha.ru> writes:"? >:Will sell AlphaPC164LX mobo with or without 533MHz 21164 CPU.l >eF >  To preempt a likely question, OpenVMS does not support this widget. >i+ > --------------------------- pure personalt# opinion ---------------------------o0 >   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >g   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2000 17:28:16 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman); Subject: Re: FS: Cheap 164LX with 533Mhz 21164 CPU anybody?o6 Message-ID: <8p8j7g$o20$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  B In article <8p8fiq$1vii$1@news.aha.ru>, "pbc" <pbc@aha.ru> writes:5 :I pesonally installed OpenVMS 7.2 on several 164LXs.  :Works fine.      Good for you, glad to hear it.  J   The 164LX box itself is fairly close to certain members of the Personal H   Workstation series, and -- like the Personal Workstation -a series -- I   whether or not OpenVMS might work on it is hit-or-miss.  OpenVMS has NOdJ   code to support the 164LX and has not tested with it.  OpenVMS does NOT %   support the widget, in other words.K  D   I've also heard that OpenVMS can bootstrap on the Alpha Processor H   AlphaPC 264DP series.  Like the 164LX, OpenVMS has NO code to support H   the 264DP and has not tested with it, and OpenVMS does NOT support it.  J   There are also no OpenVMS licenses available for either of these boxes, %   other than the hobbyist licenses...R  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:00:57 -04002 From: "William Hymen" <t18_pilot@hotmail.spam.com>, Subject: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS8 Message-ID: <AmLt5.67022$g53.1104885@news5.giganews.com>   If you want to promote advertising of OpenVMS, write a ! letter on your Company Letterhead  to the people who make the descisions at Compaq.  Keep.( it professional and keep it to one page.  # Include "personal and confidential"p about three lines down from the  address- 1)Paper is good. 2)email gets deleted.  3)Company letterheads impress.	    - Bille  % The director of OpenVMS Marketing is:2   Compaq Computer Corporation  Mary Ellen Fortier 110 Spit Brook Roadh
 ZKO3-4/W24 Nashua, NH 03062  ! The Vice President of OpenVMS is:u   Compaq Computer Corporationa Richard Marcello 110 Spit Brook Roade
 ZKO3-4/W24 Nashua, NH 03062   The President of Compaq is:    Compaq Computer Corporations Michael Capellas 20555 State Highway 249e MS110802 Houston, Texas 77070   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:28:19 GMTb/ From: Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk>o" Subject: Global buffers and SYSUAF) Message-ID: <8p7u46$8uo$1@nnrp1.deja.com>p  C I read in a performance manual some time ago that global buffers on-D SYSUAF are a good idea but I have not yet got around to setting them& up. Before I do, I have some questions> a) is there a safe and secure way of doing it without a rebootD b) if I just do a normal set file command is this enough or does the% login system by-pass that in some wayb@ c) I am currently planning on copying the file to a new version,@ setting global buffers on the new version and then rebooting andF deleteing the old version (eventually!) - does this seem reasonable or is it overkill??G d) AFAIK if I copy the sysuaf file to a new version then new logins mayPB use the new version while old logins will stay attached to the newF version - if that true or am I talking  rubbish? if so is the old file* deletable when the last old user logs out?   Thanks in advanceo   Mike  D and I suppose (e) is all this in a manual and I've missed it (manual$ name and chapter??) - if so - sorry.   --B All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.i   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2000 10:12:27 -0500o9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) & Subject: Re: Global buffers and SYSUAF+ Message-ID: <Yd+4hUd9f8FQ@eisner.decus.org>a  [ In article <8p7u46$8uo$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk> writes:fE > I read in a performance manual some time ago that global buffers on F > SYSUAF are a good idea but I have not yet got around to setting them( > up. Before I do, I have some questions@ > a) is there a safe and secure way of doing it without a reboot  ) Yes, if it appears to work, you are safe.   F If you have some persistent program holding SYSUAF open you might haveD trouble with the SET FILE command (or might not, but it is merely an& issue of file access, not of security.  F > b) if I just do a normal set file command is this enough or does the' > login system by-pass that in some way*   Login honors RMS settings.  B > c) I am currently planning on copying the file to a new version,B > setting global buffers on the new version and then rebooting andH > deleteing the old version (eventually!) - does this seem reasonable or > is it overkill??  F The new version and reboot seem extraneous unless some program on yourE system is holding the file open.  In that case, the reboot would onlyi) be for the benefit of that rogue program.o  I > d) AFAIK if I copy the sysuaf file to a new version then new logins may D > use the new version while old logins will stay attached to the newH > version - if that true or am I talking  rubbish? if so is the old file, > deletable when the last old user logs out?  C SYSUAF is only used by LOGINOUT when the user logs in.  It need not E be maintained in a consistent location for the duration of their job.r   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2000 10:26 -0400 From: hein@eps.zko.dec.c*m& Subject: Re: Global buffers and SYSUAF% Message-ID: <7SEP200010261133@miasys>u  ] In article <8p7u46$8uo$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk> writes... D >I read in a performance manual some time ago that global buffers onI >SYSUAF are a good idea but I have not yet got around to setting them up.o  F They are a good idea, notably if the file is heavily used (shows up onH a performance report, rms statistics,...). RIGHTSLIST is in fact an evenC better candidate, it is opened every tiem SYSUAF is, and then some.   ? >a) is there a safe and secure way of doing it without a rebootn   Just isssue $SET FILE/GLO=20   i2 (The 'right' number will be in the 10 - 100 range)@ However... this requires momentary exclusive access to the file.= If that is easy... then you do not really need global buffersi- as the file is cleqaarly not used enough :-).yH If this is hard... then you do need global buffers but can not get them.	 Catch-22!t  E >b) if I just do a normal set file command is this enough or does the1& >login system by-pass that in some way  ' Login uses plain RMS with full sharing.s  A >c) I am currently planning on copying the file to a new version,-+ >setting global buffers on the new version 3  7 How do you plan to 'COPY'? You should use CONVERT/SHARE,. You may want to create a tuned FDL beforehand.@ The convert/share will garantuee valid data records, but as soonM as you take a copy they ofcourse become still. Normally an acceptable 'risk'.   H >d) AFAIK if I copy the sysuaf file to a new version then new logins may   Right, and SET PASS and such.E  C >use the new version while old logins will stay attached to the new.  P Wrong, logins do not stay attached but some tools do: VMSMAIL and QUEUE_MANAGER.K So if someone changes his mail directory while you are flipping the sysuaf, ? that change may be nixed. Sounds like an acceptable risk to me.e   Enjoy,        Hein.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 04:21:52 -0700 (PDT)e From: tmcly@theatre.ru3 Subject: How Have You Been, I Hope You Remember Me!e- Message-ID: <0G0I00GKCKWFO9@mx.west.saic.com>   " So, How in the heck have you been?  E Do you remember holding previous conversations regarding business andW@ money making opportunities. I did not send this to you in error!  	 You said:t  < "If only I could find an easier way to make a higher income"     andj  A "If I had more money, I could spend more time with my Family, andg less time at work"   anda  E "I sure could use more money so I could pay off my bills once and for  all!"y   and   B "I would love to get involved in a business in which will generate/ money while I am not at work (like a Gas Pump)"    Dear Friend,  B There is a possibility that we haven't met, but you were chosen by someone to recieve this E-Mail.C  D Please, please, print this off and read thoroughly. Be sure that youF don't miss any of the points outlined. Then put it down, and then readB it again. I am sending you a whole lot of information in which youE might not understand the first time you read it. If you don't believee@ this program will work for you, send it to 10-20 of your closestB friends (in which you trust deeply), and ask them what they think?  C This really works! Have the faith, don't miss this opportunity, getc> involved also, and it will work for you as it does for us!!!!!  5 Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet,l  B A MAJOR NIGHTLY NEWS Program recently dedicated entire show to theD investigation of the program described below to see if it really can make people money.  @ The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal.C Their findings proved that there are absolutely no laws prohibitingfE the participation in the program. This has helped to show people thatiB this is a simple, harmless and fun way to make some extra money at home.V  : The results have been truly remarkable. So many people areA participating that those involved are doing much better than ever'7 before. Since everyone makes more as more people try its out, its been very exciting.  - You will understand only if you get involved!   1 ********* THE ENTIRE PLAN IS HERE BELOW *********   + *** Print This Now For Future Reference ***   0 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$  @ If you would like to make AT LEAST $50,000 in less than 90 days!  C If not, forward this to someone who would like to make this kind ofdC money....... It works (like designed) but only for those who followe it to the letter!2  / Please read this program...THEN READ IT AGAIN!!g  0 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$  7 THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY!!V  C It does NOT require you to come into contact with people or make ori? take any telephone calls. Just follow the instructions, and youi? will make money. This simplified e-mail marketing program workse perfectly 100% EVERY TIME!  > E-mail is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this@ virtually free method of advertising NOW!!! The longer you wait,< the more people will be doing business using email. Get your piece of this action!!!i  0 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  ; Hello - My name is Johnathon Rourke, I'm from Rhode Island.-  B The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through myB fingers. Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and gaveE some thought and study to it. Two years ago, the corporation I workedtD for the past twelve years down-sized and my position was eliminated.E After unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business.cB Over the past year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems.E I owed my family, friends and creditors over $35,000. The economy wasCB taking a toll on my business and I just couldn't seem to make endsA meet. I had to refinance and borrow against my home to support myd family and struggling business.o  > AT THAT MOMENT something significant happened in my life. I amD writing to share the experience in hopes that this could change your
 life FOREVER.-   FINANCIALLY$$$!!!-  A In mid December, I received this program in my e-mail. Six monthsz; prior to receiving this program I had been sending away for0B information on various business opportunities. All of the programsD I received, in my opinion, were not cost effective. They were eitherD too difficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment was tooC much for me to risk to see if they would work. But as I was saying,oB in December of 1997 I received this program. I didn't send for it,8 or ask for it, they just got my name off a mailing list.  B THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!! After reading it several times, to makeA sure I was reading it correctly. I couldn't believe my eyes! HereDF was a MONEY MAKING MACHINE I could start immediately without any debt.  D Like most of you I was still a little skeptical and a little worriedD about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S.A Post Office (1-800-725-2161 24-hrs) and they confirmed that it isu
 indeed legal!s  @ After determining the program was LEGAL I decided "WHY NOT!?!??"  E Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails. It cost me about $15 for my timeaB on-line. The great thing about e-mail is that I don't need any forE printing to send out the program, and because I also send the productd0 (reports) by e-mail, my only expense is my time.  F In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1.C By January 13, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1. Your goal isfC to "RECEIVE at least 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF YOUy+ DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO.o  E My first step in making $50,000 in 90 days was done. By January 30, I B had received 196 orders for REPORT #2. Your goal is to "RECEIVE ATE LEAST 100+ ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF NOT, SEND OUT MOREsB PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY,( RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL."  < Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2. 96 more than I needed.A So I sat back and relaxed. By March 1, of my e-mailing of 10,000,nA received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my,' debts and bought a much needed new car!   A Please take your time to read this plan, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFES8 FOREVER$!!! Remember, it won't work if you don't try it.  7 This program does work, BUT you must follow it EXACTLY!   D Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a differentD place. It won't work and you'll lose out on a lot of money! In orderC for this program to work, you must meet your goal of 20+ orders for E REPORT #1, and 100+ orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $50,000 orc more in 90 days.  C I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!! If you choose not to participate B in this program, I am sorry. It really is a great opportunity with@ little cost or risk to you. If you choose to participate, followA the program and you will be on your way to financial security. IftA you are a fellow business owner and are in financial trouble like D I was, or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign.	 I DID! $$c  
 Sincerely,   Johnathon Rourke0 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  4 A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM:  F By the time you have read the enclosed program and reports, you shouldD have concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, could not? have been created by an amateur. Let me tell you a little abouta> myself. I had a profitable business for 10 years. Then in 1979? my business began falling off. I was doing the same things thathB were previously successful for me, but it wasn't working. Finally,A I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the economy. Inflation and$? recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with use since 1945.p  B I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate...D because many of you know from first hand experience. There were more@ failures and bankruptcies than ever before. The middle class wasB vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing invested wisely andC moved up. Those who did not, including those who never had anything-B to save or invest, were moving down into the ranks of the poor. AsC the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER." TheyD traditional methods of making money will never allow you to"move up"* or "get rich", inflation will see to that.  > You have just received information that can give you financial  D freedom for the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLEC BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the next few months than E you have ever imagined. I should also point out that I will not see aoC penny of this money, nor anyone else who has provided a testimoniala for this program.-  E I have retired from the program after sending thousands and thousandsoD of programs. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not changeB it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember toC e-mail a copy of this exciting report to everyone you can think of.yF One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000...and your name will be on everyone of them!  @ REMEMBER though, ----- the MORE YOU SEND OUT, the more potentialC customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, < information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent.   IT IS UP TO YOU!! NOW DO IT!!h  0 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  A BEFORE YOU delete this program from your in box, as I almost did,tE take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a penciluE and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out thenD worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will@ still make a lot of money! You will definitely get back what you@ invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in.   $$$ IT WORKS!!! $$$r   Jody Jacobs Richmond, VA  0 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  : HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR$$$$!!!!  A This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am B sure that you could use up to $50,000 or more in the next 90 days.> before you say "BULL... ", please read this program carefully.> This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making	 business.n  < As with all multi-level businesses, we build our business byD recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in theC USA allows you to recruit new multi-level business partners, and weo5 sell and deliver a product for EVERY dollar received.u  A YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are notsC involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own home,rC store or office. This is the EASIEST marketing plan anywhere! It isn simply order filling by email!  C *******************************************************************oD The product is informational and instructional material, keys to theC secrets for everyone on how to open the doors to the magic world ofC> E-COMMERCE , the information highway, the wave of the future !  
 PLAN SUMMARY:o  C (1) You order the 4 reports listed below ($5 each) They come to you0	 by email.   D (2) Save a copy of this entire letter and put your name after Report! #1 and move the other names down.7  @ (3) Via the internet, access Yahoo.com or any of the other majorA search engines to locate hundreds of bulk email service companiesoC (search for "bulk email") and have them send 25,000 - 50,000 emailso for you about $49+)e  B (4) Orders will come to you by postal mail - simply email them theD Report they ordered. Let me ask you - isn't this about as easy as it gets?m  C *******************************************************************,  B By the way there are over 50 MILLION email addresses with millionsF more joining the internet each year so don't worry about "running out"? or "saturation". People are used to seeing and hearing the sameo= advertisements every day on radio/TV. How many times have youlA received the same pizza flyers on your door? Then one day you are @ hungry for pizza and you order one. Same thing with this letter.A I received this letter many times - then one day I decided it wast time to try it.n  C *******************************************************************l  / YOU CAN START TODAY - JUST DO THESE EASY STEPS:t   STEP #1. ORDER THE FOUR REPORTSa  > Order the four reports shown on the list below (you can't sell= them if you don't order them). -- For each report, send $5.00g7 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING,:A YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of acA problem) to the person whose name appears on the list next to thei report.l  E MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE IN CASE OF ANY MAILo	 PROBLEMS!l  ? Within a few days you will receive, by e-mail, each of the fourd? reports. Save them on your computer so you can send them to thei/ 1,000's of people who will order them from you.   0 STEP #2. ADD YOUR MAILING ADDRESS TO THIS LETTER2 a. Look below for the listing of the four reports.E b. After you've ordered the four reports, delete the name and addresso; under REPORT #4. This person has made it through the cycle..? c. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. ? d. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3.s? e. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2.e6 f. Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1 position.B Please make sure you COPY ALL INFORMATION, every name and address, ACCURATELY!t  @ STEP #3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of= names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to thesed@ instructions. Now you are ready to use this entire email to send by email to prospects.  E Report #1 will tell you how to download bulk email software and emailnA addresses so you can send it out to thousands of people while youtF sleep! Remember that 50,000+ new people are joining the internet every month.  C Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely younD can afford $20 and initial bulk mailing cost). You obviously already> have a computer and an Internet connection and e-mail is FREE!  8 There are two primary methods of building your downline:  A METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL Let's say that you decide to start B small, just to see how it goes, and we'll assume you and all thoseC involved email out only 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume that @ the mailing receives a 0.5% response. The response could be much@ better. Also, many people will email outhundreds of thousands ofB programs instead of 2,000 (Why stop at 2000?). But continuing withE this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response,S that is only 10 orders for  E REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs eachtF for a total of 20,000. Out of those 0.5%, 100 people respond and order  @ REPORT #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of6 200,000. The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for  C REPORT #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000u5 total. The 0.5% response to that is 10,000 orders for   2 REPORT #4. That's 10,000 $5 bills for you. CASH!!!B Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5,000 + $50,000 for a total of $55,550!!!d  C REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOUS: MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM!A DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALFvC SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000. Believe me, many people  will do just that, and more!    , METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNETD Advertising on the internet is very, very inexpensive, and there areC HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide to start D small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLYD 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREEC ads on the Internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assumeo  F that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members.@ Look how this small number accumulates to achieve the STAGGERING results below:  = 1st level--your first 10 send you $5 .....................$50-= 2nd level--10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100)...........$500 = 3rd level--10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000)......$5,000e= 4th level--10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000)..$50,000o  D $$$$$$ THIS TOTALS -----------------------------------$55,550 $$$$$$  D AMAZING ISN'T IT? Remember friends, this assumes that the people whoF participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what wouldE happen if they got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100's oflE participants and many will continue to work this program, sending outI: programs WITH YOUR NAME ON THEM for years! THINK ABOUT IT!  0 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  C People are going to get emails about this plan from you or somebodykD else and many will work this plan - the question is - Don't you want1 your name to be on the emails they will send out?c   * * * DON'T MISS OUT!!!e   * * * JUST TRY IT ONCE!!! * * *h   * * SEE WHAT HAPPENS!!!    *** YOU'LL BE AMAZED!!!* *  0 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  . ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS!  D This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out with YOUR name andD address on it will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report!   0 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  = GET STARTED TODAY: PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THE FOUR REPORTS NOW.e  E Notes: -- ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT. CHECKS C NOT ACCEPTED. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in two 7 sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper write:t  4 (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering   (b) your e-mail address, and   (c) your name & postal address.   = REPORT #1 "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on thea	 Internet"o   ORDER REPORT #1 FROM:a FRED ABATECOLA 258 PINE ST. SEEKONK, MA   02771   = NOTE: I and every member below are dedicated to help you with 2 this program so it will work for you also. TRY US!    < REPORT #2 "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail on the	 Internet"    ORDER REPORT #2 FROM:e BRENDA LANDRUM 4606 FARMSTEAD CT. WICHITA, KS 67220   ? REPORT #3 "The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the Internet"    ORDER REPORT #3 FROM:H DOROTHY SHUTER 2701 MAIN ST KEOKUK IA 52632r  = REPORT #4 "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of$& Multilevel Marketing and the Internet"   ORDER REPORT #4 FROM:0! LANCE DENTON a.k.a. (Debtfighter)t 100 WILDWOOD RD  ROCKPORT, TX 78382        ******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS *******  D TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow theB directions accurately. -- Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so; you will have them when the orders start coming in because:E    < When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requestedB product/report. It is required for this to be a legal business andB they need the reports to send out their letters (with your name on them!)  C -- ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. -- Be < patient and persistent with this program - If you follow the0 instructions exactly - results WILL FOLLOW. $$$$  ' ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES *******e  ? Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: If you don't~F receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertisingA orsending e-mails until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you > should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT#2. If you don't,C continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once you haveeA received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, becausesA the system is already working for you, and the cash will continuei   to roll in!t  D THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down onE the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP0C TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are orderingt	 from you.k  @ To generate more income, simply send another batch of e-mails orC continue placing ads and start the whole process again! There is nos9 limit to the income you will generate from this business!e  E Before you make your decision as to whether or not you participate inAA this program. Please answer one question. ARE YOU HAPPY WITH YOUR.C PRESENT INCOME OR JOB? If the answer is no, then please look at the 4 following facts about this super simple MLM program:  6 1. NO face to face selling, NO meetings, NO inventory!< NO Telephone calls, NO big cost to start!, NOthing to learn,6 NO skills needed! (Surely you know how to send email?)  8 2. No equipment to buy - you already have a computer and= internet connection - so you have everything you need to fillr orders!i  D 3. You are selling a product which does NOT COST ANYTHING TO PRODUCE2 OR SHIP! (Emailing copies of the reports is FREE!)  B 4. All of your customers pay you in CA$H! This program will changeD your LIFE FOREVER!! Look at the potential for you to be able to quit> your job and live a life of luxury you could only dream about!? Imagine getting out of debt and buying the car and home of your.; dreams and being able to work a super-high paying leisurelya easy business from home!  + $$$ FINALLY MAKE SOME DREAMS COME TRUE! $$$i  F ACT NOW! Take your first step toward achieving financial independence.F Order the reports and follow the program outlined above-- SUCCESS will be your reward.r  * Thank you for your time and consideration.  E PLEASE NOTE: If you need help with starting a business, registering a E business name, learning how income tax is handled, etc., contact your.D local office of the Small Business Administration (a Federal Agency)6 1-800-827-5722 for free help and answers to questions.  E Also, the Internal Revenue Service offers free help via telephone andsF free seminars about business tax reuirements. Your earnings are highly= dependent on your activities and advertising. The information B contained on this site and in the report constitutes no guaranteesE stated nor implied. In the event that it is determined that this site,D or report constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that guarantee is nowD void. The earnings amounts listed on this site and in the report areA estimates only. If you have any questions of the legality of thise? program, contact the Office of Associate Director for MarketingrB Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection in Washington, DC.  0 ================================================  @ Under Bill s.1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th US Congress this? letter cannot be considered spam as long as the sender includes , contact information and a method of removal.  A This is a one time e-mail transmission. No request for removal is+
 necessary.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 08:01:38 GMT + From: jmorgan@dirconspam.co.uk (Jon Morgan)  Subject: Re: I&DS Book Questiont2 Message-ID: <39b74b55.104719873@news.dircon.co.uk>  M On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:48:28 +0100, steven.reece@quintiles.com said somethinge about:D > There was also a v5.3 one.  This was still available at one of theH > bookshops I visited earlier this year (new, old stock), although I wasL > actually after something different (the elusive, reasonably priced copy ofJ > the VAXCluster Principles text......  For which I'm still searching....)  H Odd. I managed to pick up a copy of this book about 18-24 months ago. ItH didn't seem particularly rare when I bought it, though (it was for aboutJ GBP30 and in a pretty normal bookshop ("Waterstones" for the UK-centric))./ I'll see if I can dig out the details about it.e   		-jon.    -- b
 jon morgan   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:23:44 +0000 (UTC)- From: dwparsons@nikocity.de (Dave W. Parsons),Y Subject: Re: Incoming: PC164LX with 533Mhz CPU's - DON'T READ IF OUR POSTINGS    OFFEND YtK Message-ID: <Ej0w7lFo08Zw-pn2-IKhspzekm38i@saturn.dwparsons.news.nikoma.de>i  C On Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:11:31, hg/jb <shsrms@bellatlantic.net> wrote:t  F > They require a 300watt ATX power supply with an on/off switch and a H > modification to the board to compensate for the lack of a hard on/off F > like DEC used for a bunch of stuff - there is just a minor solderingF > needed OR you can wire up your own on/off instead of the jumper - I G > did not do this and do not recommend it for safety reasons.  Just gete > a supply with an AC on off. E > The angle of the power connector is tight if you get a baby ATX boxa' > or if the PS is close to the board...a > I bought a large tower case.F > The case has to allow the connectors to be available - they are not I > exactly the same as an ATX PC, so you have to modify the standard box ao > bit. > F > I ran mine up with NetBSD, IDE drive, S3Virge VGA, and it works like > LIGHTENING!! > bobw >   + Do these boards support standard PCI cards?e? I am thinking specifically of SCSI controllers and video cards?t0 Do you know which types are supported/suitable?    -- d Dave   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:51:49 +0000 (UTC)- From: dwparsons@nikocity.de (Dave W. Parsons)mY Subject: Re: Incoming: PC164LX with 533Mhz CPU's - DON'T READ IF OUR POSTINGS    OFFEND YoK Message-ID: <Ej0w7lFo08Zw-pn2-dqIRVKjXElnu@saturn.dwparsons.news.nikoma.de>   K On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:23:44, dwparsons@nikocity.de (Dave W. Parsons) wrote:u  E > On Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:11:31, hg/jb <shsrms@bellatlantic.net> wrote:m >  > > H > > I ran mine up with NetBSD, IDE drive, S3Virge VGA, and it works like > > LIGHTENING!! > > bob~ > >~ > - > Do these boards support standard PCI cards?dA > I am thinking specifically of SCSI controllers and video cards?l2 > Do you know which types are supported/suitable?  >   A To reply to my own post, I have now answered most of my questions F having found the hardware compatibility list for the 164LX but all theC references to OSes are to NT, does anyone know whether they can run  OVMS and if so how easy is it?   -- s Dave   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 12:30:28 GMTo% From: hg/jb <shsrms@bellatlantic.net>~Y Subject: Re: Incoming: PC164LX with 533Mhz CPU's - DON'T READ IF OUR POSTINGSOFFEND YOU !$0 Message-ID: <39B78A79.AC974504@bellatlantic.net>  2 Runs NetBSD very very nicely, allegedly runs OVMS.C OVMS, allegedly, like NetBSD supports limited kinds of video cards.eA I plan on trying OVMS on my PC164, the SRM seems to indicate that 0 it does support it, but I have not tried it yet. hope this helps  bobe   "Dave W. Parsons" wrote: > M > On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:23:44, dwparsons@nikocity.de (Dave W. Parsons) wrote:s > G > > On Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:11:31, hg/jb <shsrms@bellatlantic.net> wrote:a > >u > > >EJ > > > I ran mine up with NetBSD, IDE drive, S3Virge VGA, and it works like > > > LIGHTENING!!	 > > > bobe > > >s > >g/ > > Do these boards support standard PCI cards?rC > > I am thinking specifically of SCSI controllers and video cards?o3 > > Do you know which types are supported/suitable?* > >* > C > To reply to my own post, I have now answered most of my questionsrH > having found the hardware compatibility list for the 164LX but all theE > references to OSes are to NT, does anyone know whether they can runa  > OVMS and if so how easy is it? >  > -- > Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 06:12:08 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>n3 Subject: ISO8859 to/from UTF-8 character conversion , Message-ID: <39B769BC.182165A2@videotron.ca>  L Is there a utility  available to convert files to/from ISO8859 character set to the UTF one ?  M I need to convert some ldif files generated on VMS in latin-1 to the UTF-8 soeJ that clients on MAC/windows can load those files into their address books.  K I have looked into the ICONV utility, but it only has UCS and VTF character* sets (as well as ISO8859).  N I could not find examples of the ICONV ".ISRC" files on the system so I am not9 sure how I can go about building such a conversion table.a  = Are there UTF-8  .ICONV compiled conversion files available ? 2 Are there example source files available (.ISRC) ?6 Is there documentation on the format of source files ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 13:25:06 +0100z- From: Martin Walker <Martin.Walker@csf.co.uk>e Subject: RE: license trade-in Q Message-ID: <84C76BA22FDFD2118EA1006097D7C7A73DBF31@london_exch.london.csf.co.uk>*  K IIRC, the current 'discount' is 50% (in the UK) - the value you get dependsHJ on license group of the new and old machines.  Most products can be tradedE but some (e.g. VMS users depending on the license type) may require amL trade-in of the Vax hardware.  Your reseller should know (or be able to lookI up) the rules.  Your Alpha should come with a variant of NAS or EIP whiche1 means that you get new versions of some products.n  J (For compilers, development tools etc. look at the Trade up to user (TUTU)= scheme for a cheaper price if you have limited requirements).o   	-----Original Message----- 4 	From:	Dougie Sharp [SMTP:dougie.sharp@motorola.com] 	Sent:	05 September 2000 16:01 	To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 	Subject:	Re: license trade-in  D 	I'm not sure what the percentage discount is but you can definitely! 	trade-in VAX for Alpha licenses.e   	John Nixon wrote:  ) 	> If I buy a used Alpha from a reseller,.: 	>   and if I have an old VAX with licensed products under maintenance... 	>D 	> Can I trade the old VAX licenses to Compaq for new Alpha licenses	 and still @ 	> get the 75% (or whatever) discount they offer for trading VAX licenses@ 	> for Alpha licenses,  or do I have to buy the Alpha, new, from Compaq?u   	--C! 	[X] General Business Information  	[ ] Motorola Internal Use Only.& 	[ ] Motorola Confidential Proprietary 	--i$ 	 << File: Card for Dougie Sharp >>   A This e-mail including any attachments is confidential and may be  F legally privileged. If you have received it in error please advise the@ sender immediately by return email and then delete it from your  system. B The unauthorised use, distribution, copying or alteration of this F email is strictly forbidden. If you need assistance please contact the& CSF help desk on (+44)(0)207 490 2727.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 09:43:59 +0200o6 From: "Dijk, Jeroen van" <Jeroen.vandijk@getronics.nl>8 Subject: OpenVMS filesystem reader for MicroSoft WindowsM Message-ID: <2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B51187E52F@cucexec.gbc.getronics.nl>   ? Is there a reader for W98 to read floppies formated by OpenVMS?y   -- Jeroen M.W. van Dijk  Getronics Business Continuity BV8 Error #152 - Windows not found: (C)heer (P)arty (D)ance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:02:22 +0200u= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>2< Subject: Re: OpenVMS filesystem reader for MicroSoft Windows) Message-ID: <39B7599E.DB456BD0@gtech.com>i   "Dijk, Jeroen van" wrote:TA > Is there a reader for W98 to read floppies formated by OpenVMS?o  C ODS2-readers has been written. And could probably be ported to W98.   8 But programs to read/write DOS floppies on VMS exist and" it may be easier to go that route.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 16:41:27 +0200 6 From: "Dijk, Jeroen van" <Jeroen.vandijk@getronics.nl>< Subject: RE: OpenVMS filesystem reader for MicroSoft WindowsM Message-ID: <2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B51187E539@cucexec.gbc.getronics.nl>   ) Does anyone has the name of ODS2-readers? 7 Or names of programs to read/write DOS floppies on VMS?I       -----Original Message-----3 From: Arne Vajh=F8j [mailto:arne.vajhoej@gtech.com] & Sent: donderdag 7 september 2000 11:02 To: Info-VAX@MVB.SAIC.COM2< Subject: Re: OpenVMS filesystem reader for MicroSoft Windows     "Dijk, Jeroen van" wrote:SA > Is there a reader for W98 to read floppies formated by OpenVMS?s  C ODS2-readers has been written. And could probably be ported to W98.   8 But programs to read/write DOS floppies on VMS exist and" it may be easier to go that route.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 16:45:35 +0100i- From: Martin Walker <Martin.Walker@csf.co.uk> < Subject: RE: OpenVMS filesystem reader for MicroSoft WindowsQ Message-ID: <84C76BA22FDFD2118EA1006097D7C7A73DBF32@london_exch.london.csf.co.uk>t   ODS2 is on the VMS freeware CD  H I think Hunter Goatley has some routines to write DOS format floppies o= n VMS    	-----Original Message------: 	From:	Dijk, Jeroen van [SMTP:Jeroen.vandijk@getronics.nl] 	Sent:	07 September 2000 15:41 	To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com= 	Subject:	RE: OpenVMS filesystem reader for MicroSoft Windows$  * 	Does anyone has the name of ODS2-readers?8 	Or names of programs to read/write DOS floppies on VMS?       	-----Original Message-----h4 	From: Arne Vajh=F8j [mailto:arne.vajhoej@gtech.com]' 	Sent: donderdag 7 september 2000 11:02a 	To: Info-VAX@MVB.SAIC.COM= 	Subject: Re: OpenVMS filesystem reader for MicroSoft Windowso     	"Dijk, Jeroen van" wrote:B 	> Is there a reader for W98 to read floppies formated by OpenVMS?  D 	ODS2-readers has been written. And could probably be ported to W98.  9 	But programs to read/write DOS floppies on VMS exist andb# 	it may be easier to go that route.    	ArneO 	     A This e-mail including any attachments is confidential and may be SF legally privileged. If you have received it in error please advise the@ sender immediately by return email and then delete it from your  system. B The unauthorised use, distribution, copying or alteration of this F email is strictly forbidden. If you need assistance please contact the& CSF help desk on (+44)(0)207 490 2727.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2000 16:06:44 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)< Subject: RE: OpenVMS filesystem reader for MicroSoft Windows6 Message-ID: <8p8eek$na4$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   In article <2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B51187E539@cucexec.gbc.getronics.nl>, "Dijk, Jeroen van" <Jeroen.vandijk@getronics.nl> writes:* :Does anyone has the name of ODS2-readers?  !   Look on the OpenVMS Freeware...e  8 :Or names of programs to read/write DOS floppies on VMS?     Look in the OpenVMS FAQ...  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2000 08:03:31 GMT * From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) Subject: Re: Porting stuff. . Message-ID: <8p7i4j$ial$2@info.service.rug.nl>  , In article <8p5of5$49t@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,5 mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes: #  L >Actually BACKUP save sets work pretty well for that too - they just aren't I >at all portable to other systems.  But then, neither are ZIP files that t >retain VMS file attributes.  
 Are you sure?*   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2000 13:11:40 GMTr* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)2 Subject: publications about VMS and related topics. Message-ID: <8p846c$nmd$1@info.service.rug.nl>   Hi!     H Can you help me to complete this table about publications about VMS and  related topics?  t  G Notes: `paper' means something which is actually mailed to subscribers sH etc.  `paper from web' means PostScript, PDF etc which one can download D and print out (or view on screen), i.e. stuff formatted for paper.  I Electronic refers to things primarily intended for on-screen consumption  H and include HTML pages, regular emails etc.  Of course, some things can A have more than one of these attributes, for example a mailed-out rD magazine might have the PostScript available for downloading and/or " might have an HTML version online.  E Please write `yes' or `no', rather than just leaving a category blank  (assuming you know the answer).e  M Title               paper?   paper from web?   electronic?   still published?T   inform  
 OpenVMS Timess   DEC professional   ------------------------------  ! Date: Thu, 07 Sep 00 08:08:52 GMTS From: jmfbahciv@aol.com:" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?+ Message-ID: <8p7t9l$ooq$1@bob.news.rcn.net>F  , In article <8p691a$sh6$1@nntp1.ba.best.com>,$    inwap@best.com (Joe Smith) wrote:1 >In article <qh1yz2gy6x.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>,,6 >Eric Smith  <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com> wrote: >>jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:o+ >>> The 1091 wouldn't even have happened if A >>> somebody sane (Alan Titcomb) hadn't funded the project.  ThatsB >>> was another TOPS10 project that was a midnight hack (I'm using? >>> the word hack in the proper way...not the idiocy that seemsO >>> to have evolved).  >>9 >>What were the technical issues to making the 1091 work?l >>C >>My understanding is that the 1091 hardware was basically the same ( >>as the 2060.  As compared to the 1090: >> >> >>		1090				10916 >>		-------------------------	------------------------6 >>memory		DMA20 memory interface to	"internal" memory  (which1 >>		KI10 external memory bus	sometimes is mountedr >>						externally):  MA20/MB20a >>						core or MF20/MG20 semi >N$ >Internal MOS memory had spare bits. >fE >Memory can be visualized as 4M words, each with some number of bits.s' >36 bits = raw data, no parity, no ECC. ; >38 bits = 36 data bits + 2 parity bits (one per halfword).d% >44 bits = 36 data bits + 8 ECC bits.r > I >The MOS memory box had more than the bare minimum needed for data + ECC.rB >The additional columns of 4M bits were unused, unless the memory  diagnosticsmC >detected a failure in a column of bits.  In that case, the memory o
 controller6 >would be reconfigured to use a different set of bits. >tJ >As I understood it, the hardest part of the project of getting MOS memoryI >to work with TOPS-10 was getting it to understand memory failure errors. K >The shipment of our 1091 to the Colorado School of Mines was held up untilt >they could get TGHA working.u  ? I'd forgotten about TGHA; that was another PITA (it was writtene< in BLISS-10).  Also, the TGHA work was not under the control> of LCG but under the control of field service.  Thus, in order; to get that group to do anything one had to go to the levele< of vice president if noone wanted to compromise.  The people= doing the work were rarely available (never did know why) forc= setting down and wrangling out the problems.  It seemed as if ? even the most simple technical problem had to involve third ande fourth level managers.   /BAH  w  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:06:59 -05001 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>f! Subject: QUANTUM on newer systems 8 Message-ID: <8p8e7u$m6g$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>   Quantumn  I The default value is 20, which translates to 200msec.  I believe this has K been the default for this parameter for at least a long time, perhaps goingc back to VAX730 daze.  ;-)h  F What with today's new Alpha systems; lots of Mhz, switched backplanes,E wildfires a'blazin', etc etc, is 20 still a proper value for QUANTUM?.  H I think not.  What do others here think.  And how does one determine the best value?@  ? And yes you are permitted to begin your replies with "depends".e   Dave...3   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2000 15:16:21 GMT8* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) Subject: release schedules. Message-ID: <8p8bg5$psf$1@info.service.rug.nl>  D I've been away for a while, so I've missed a lot.  I'm back reading D regularly now.  I seem to remember some mention of release dates of I various stuff.  Is there anything after 7.2-1?  When is 7.3 coming out?  t: Will a TCPIP update be in the same CD distribution as 7.3?     --M Phillip Helbig                       Email .............. helbig@astro.rug.nluM Kapteyn Instituut                    Email ................. helbig@man.ac.uktM Rijksuniversiteit Groningen          Tel. ................... +31 50 363 6647 M Postbus 800                          Fax .................... +31 50 363 61000M NL-9700 AV Groningen                 Web ... http://www.astro.rug.nl/~helbig/:  5 My opinions are not necessarily those of my employer.P  N <A HREF=" http://gladia.astro.rug.nl:8000/helbig/hire/hire.html ">HIRE ME!</A>   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2000 16:09:39 GMTa2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: release schedules6 Message-ID: <8p8ek3$na4$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  [ In article <8p8bg5$psf$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:e" :...Is there anything after 7.2-1?  C   Quite a bit, in fact.  V7.2-1H1 has shipped, and several releasesrC   subsequent to V7.2-1H1 are in the planning or development "pipe".o   :When is 7.3 coming out?    )   The V7.3 field test kit is available.  a  I   Most folks will likely see the V7.3 release kits arrive circa Q1CY2001.   ; :Will a TCPIP update be in the same CD distribution as 7.3?   B   Yes, TCP/IP Services V5.1 is expected to ship with V7.3 release.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2000 17:10:43 GMTo* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) Subject: Re: release schedules. Message-ID: <8p8i6j$rmu$1@info.service.rug.nl>  6 In article <8p8ek3$na4$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,5 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:     >z\ >In article <8p8bg5$psf$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:  # >:...Is there anything after 7.2-1?T > D >  Quite a bit, in fact.  V7.2-1H1 has shipped, and several releasesD >  subsequent to V7.2-1H1 are in the planning or development "pipe".  H OK, but one only needs these if one has new hardware, right?  I take it # there will be no 7.2-2 or whatever.~  J >  Most folks will likely see the V7.3 release kits arrive circa Q1CY2001.  G Does anyone have, for historical reference, a list of release dates of  5 all the various versions, or at least the major ones?,   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2000 17:32:28 GMTr2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: release schedules6 Message-ID: <8p8jfc$o20$4@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  [ In article <8p8i6j$rmu$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:o7 :In article <8p8ek3$na4$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,c6 :hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  :G] :>In article <8p8bg5$psf$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:y :l$ :>:...Is there anything after 7.2-1? :>E :>  Quite a bit, in fact.  V7.2-1H1 has shipped, and several releasesnE :>  subsequent to V7.2-1H1 are in the planning or development "pipe".a :n? :OK, but one only needs these if one has new hardware, right?  t  
   Correct.  . :I take it there will be no 7.2-2 or whatever.  /   I phrased my original answer quite carefully.1  K :>  Most folks will likely see the V7.3 release kits arrive circa Q1CY2001.e : H :Does anyone have, for historical reference, a list of release dates of 6 :all the various versions, or at least the major ones?  E   Between the pointer to the release history web page and the pointeraH   to twentieth anniversary book included in the OpenVMS FAQ, you should 2   be well on your way to the information you seek.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 08:57:30 -0500-* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>. Subject: Re[2]: Sun's Bitter Harvest- Going OT- Message-ID: <0033000003985450000002L002*@MHS>F  H =0AIn article <rjqsnrcimjs.fsf@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>, Paul Repacho= li' <prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:t  9 >MAny years ago I currsed as a LK201 had its last Coke...o  H Yeah, them keyboards just don't take kindly to caffine.  Have you tried=  a ginger ale?w --; Howard S Shubs      hshubs@mindspring.com    hshubs@bix.com ? The Denim Adept     Which is better, Maryann or pickled Ginger?e> SPAM: uce@ftc.gov   postmaster@[127.0.0.1]   abuse@[127.0.0.1]  F      I've actually heard stories about LK201s that fell victim to "The6      Pepsi Syndrome" being RUN THROUGH THE DISHWASHER-  H      As long as they got thoroughly dried, (air-dried, I presume) there=        wasn't any problem...        WWWebb  =m   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 15:11:10 GMTe= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)c2 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Sun's Bitter Harvest- Going OT0 Message-ID: <009EFC44.CA6D6C20@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Z In article <0033000003985450000002L002*@MHS>, WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> writes:I >=0AIn article <rjqsnrcimjs.fsf@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>, Paul Repacho=  >lid( ><prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote: >i: >>MAny years ago I currsed as a LK201 had its last Coke... > I >Yeah, them keyboards just don't take kindly to caffine.  Have you tried=  > aw >ginger ale? >--S< >Howard S Shubs      hshubs@mindspring.com    hshubs@bix.com@ >The Denim Adept     Which is better, Maryann or pickled Ginger?? >SPAM: uce@ftc.gov   postmaster@[127.0.0.1]   abuse@[127.0.0.1]r >iG >     I've actually heard stories about LK201s that fell victim to "Theg7 >     Pepsi Syndrome" being RUN THROUGH THE DISHWASHER-T >II >     As long as they got thoroughly dried, (air-dried, I presume) there=t >p >     wasn't any problem...  >  >     WWWebb >= >   F Due to tight desk space, I recently spilled an entire cup of coffee (IF drink mine from a 22oz. beer mug) on a LK411.  Carefully, I opened theG keyboard and removed the plastic (actually 2 sheets) which composed its F keyboard switch element.  I pulled the two pieced apart and washed andG dried them.  I put the keyboard back together and I'm now 1 finger typ-aF ing this message on this very keyboard as MicroVAX-IV is druelling all over it.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM<            oO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 17:48:08 +0200t' From: Christian Leue <C.Leue@GeoNet.de>d6 Subject: Settings for maximum speed of a BACKUP/IMAGE?, Message-ID: <B5DD8557.4425%C.Leue@GeoNet.de>   Hello, experts!l  K I need to defragment a 70% full 120GB shadowset (2264757 files, DFO reports0J fragmentation index 65) by breaking it, then doing a BACKUP/IMAGE from oneL disk to the other. Unfortunately, my maintenance window is only 5 hours. CanI you folks comment on whether I have the parameters right for maximum copy0 speed? VMS version is 7.2-1.   Thanks!e  	 Christian     I The BACKUP account has the following SYSUAF values, as per recommendationn? from 7.2 manual, based on my SYSGEN parameters CHANNELCNT=1600,n
 WSMAX=524288:   9 Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:      1585  Bytlm:       434290 9 Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           059 Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:      1585  JTquota:       4096e9 Prclm:          10  DIOlm:      4755  WSdef:         200039 Prio:            4  ASTlm:      4855  WSquo:       524288 9 Queprio:         0  TQElm:        20  WSextent:    524288e9 CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:      1600  Pgflquo:     524288   $ And these are the proposed commands:  L $ set rms/buffer=255/disk/index/relativ/sequent/unit/network=127/extend=2000 $ init $2$dka401: datashadow -@     /sys/header=10000000/max=10000000/dir=16000/nohigh/cluster=3% $ mount/foreign $2$dka401: datashadowu! $ backup/image dsa1: $2$dka401: -r$     /noinit /norecord /fast /noalias   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2000 16:17:06 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman): Subject: Re: Settings for maximum speed of a BACKUP/IMAGE?6 Message-ID: <8p8f22$na4$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  V In article <B5DD8557.4425%C.Leue@GeoNet.de>, Christian Leue <C.Leue@GeoNet.de> writes:L :I need to defragment a 70% full 120GB shadowset (2264757 files, DFO reportsK :fragmentation index 65) by breaking it, then doing a BACKUP/IMAGE from oneVM :disk to the other. Unfortunately, my maintenance window is only 5 hours. Can J :you folks comment on whether I have the parameters right for maximum copy :speed? VMS version is 7.2-1.-  H   Do you need to, or are you reacting to the fragmentation index number?  I   Do you have specific files that are fragmented?  Log files and listingsdH   files, for instance, are notoriously fragmented and the fragmentation I   of these fules is often entirely inconsequential to system performance.h  I   In other words, concentrate first on the key files, then look at all of J   the other stuff on the disks.  And find out what you really need to have   defragmented.S  G   Also note that internal file fragmentation -- particularly that whichnE   can occur within indexed files -- can have a significant effect on mH   application performance, and this is not something that a block-level H   fragmentation tool will even consider.  I've seen a CONVERT pass (withE   FDL-based tuning included) provide a significant performance boost.-  J :The BACKUP account has the following SYSUAF values, as per recommendation :from 7.2 manual...n  I   As you have already done, the directions in the manuals for the processM$   quota settings should be followed.  F   With recent versions of BACKUP, we have measured 90% of the slowest G   component of the I/O system between the source and target.  In other  F   words, you may/will end up needing faster I/O hardware (disk, tape, B   SCSI, etc).  A fragmented disk will slow BACKUP down, obviously.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 17:38:28 +0000s$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk: Subject: Re: Settings for maximum speed of a BACKUP/IMAGE?/ Message-ID: <00256953.0060A536.00@quegw01.btyp>   = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazas    P I would just like to add that of you have such a small window, then depending onP the type of files you have on this set, it might be worth investing in an online, defragger to eliminate this sort of problem.  I Of course if these files are (eg) Oracle database files, then as has beenrM mentioned, a backup/restore will not have much effect, other than if you have-6 other files on the same disk, maybe quickening the IO.  E Perhaps knowing what sort of data would help others to make some morea constructive suggestion?   Steve Spires VMS System manager BT/Yellow Pages3        F hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) on 07/09/2000 04:17:06 PM    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)cO From:      hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), 7 September 2000, 4:17a            p.m.e  1 Re: Settings for maximum speed of a BACKUP/IMAGE?           N In article <B5DD8557.4425%C.Leue@GeoNet.de>, Christian Leue <C.Leue@GeoNet.de> writes:uL :I need to defragment a 70% full 120GB shadowset (2264757 files, DFO reportsK :fragmentation index 65) by breaking it, then doing a BACKUP/IMAGE from onenM :disk to the other. Unfortunately, my maintenance window is only 5 hours. Can J :you folks comment on whether I have the parameters right for maximum copy :speed? VMS version is 7.2-1.   H   Do you need to, or are you reacting to the fragmentation index number?  I   Do you have specific files that are fragmented?  Log files and listingsrG   files, for instance, are notoriously fragmented and the fragmentationcI   of these fules is often entirely inconsequential to system performance.d  I   In other words, concentrate first on the key files, then look at all ofnJ   the other stuff on the disks.  And find out what you really need to have   defragmented.l  G   Also note that internal file fragmentation -- particularly that whichwD   can occur within indexed files -- can have a significant effect onG   application performance, and this is not something that a block-level?H   fragmentation tool will even consider.  I've seen a CONVERT pass (withE   FDL-based tuning included) provide a significant performance boost.8  J :The BACKUP account has the following SYSUAF values, as per recommendation :from 7.2 manual...o  I   As you have already done, the directions in the manuals for the processs$   quota settings should be followed.  E   With recent versions of BACKUP, we have measured 90% of the slowest@F   component of the I/O system between the source and target.  In otherE   words, you may/will end up needing faster I/O hardware (disk, tape,dB   SCSI, etc).  A fragmented disk will slow BACKUP down, obviously.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:00:27 -0300l1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com>9: Subject: RE: Settings for maximum speed of a BACKUP/IMAGE?K Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AEAAF@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>r  L 120 Gb disk, I take it that this is not a single spindle but a raid or boundL volume.  If so why do you just have it as one disk, why can't you split thisH disk up into smaller chunks and defrag the individual disks on alternate+ weekends thus shortening the defrag time ?.y - Darren   > ---------- > From: E > Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk[SMTP:Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk]i- > Sent: 	Thursday, September 07, 2000 2:38 PM  > To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com= > Subject: 	Re: Settings for maximum speed of a BACKUP/IMAGE?t > ? > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazan >  > E > I would just like to add that of you have such a small window, then  > depending onK > the type of files you have on this set, it might be worth investing in an  > online. > defragger to eliminate this sort of problem. > K > Of course if these files are (eg) Oracle database files, then as has beeneJ > mentioned, a backup/restore will not have much effect, other than if you > have8 > other files on the same disk, maybe quickening the IO. > G > Perhaps knowing what sort of data would help others to make some morec > constructive suggestion? >  > Steve Spires > VMS System manager > BT/Yellow Pages  >  >  >  > H > hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) on 07/09/2000 04:17:06 PM > " > To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- > cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)iL > From:      hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), 7 September 2000, > 4:17 >            p.m.  > 3 > Re: Settings for maximum speed of a BACKUP/IMAGE?- >  >  >  >  > = > In article <B5DD8557.4425%C.Leue@GeoNet.de>, Christian Leued > <C.Leue@GeoNet.de>	 > writes:cF > :I need to defragment a 70% full 120GB shadowset (2264757 files, DFO	 > reportsoI > :fragmentation index 65) by breaking it, then doing a BACKUP/IMAGE fromb > onetK > :disk to the other. Unfortunately, my maintenance window is only 5 hours.p > CancL > :you folks comment on whether I have the parameters right for maximum copy > :speed? VMS version is 7.2-1.e > J >   Do you need to, or are you reacting to the fragmentation index number? > K >   Do you have specific files that are fragmented?  Log files and listingseI >   files, for instance, are notoriously fragmented and the fragmentation-K >   of these fules is often entirely inconsequential to system performance.a > K >   In other words, concentrate first on the key files, then look at all of$L >   the other stuff on the disks.  And find out what you really need to have >   defragmented.e > I >   Also note that internal file fragmentation -- particularly that whichfF >   can occur within indexed files -- can have a significant effect onI >   application performance, and this is not something that a block-level J >   fragmentation tool will even consider.  I've seen a CONVERT pass (withG >   FDL-based tuning included) provide a significant performance boost.u > L > :The BACKUP account has the following SYSUAF values, as per recommendation > :from 7.2 manual...  > K >   As you have already done, the directions in the manuals for the process & >   quota settings should be followed. > G >   With recent versions of BACKUP, we have measured 90% of the slowesttH >   component of the I/O system between the source and target.  In otherG >   words, you may/will end up needing faster I/O hardware (disk, tape,aD >   SCSI, etc).  A fragmented disk will slow BACKUP down, obviously. > 4 >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion > ---------------------------.1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringg > hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >  >  >  >  >  >  >     F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and3J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they L are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingf of this message is prohibited.   Bank of BermudacF **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 18:07:55 +0100 B From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist* Message-ID: <39B7CB6B.6C46E6FA@uk.sun.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:   > Andrew ..n >sF > Based on all of the notes you have presented here, are Sun technicalF > documents being updated to reflect Suns requrements for much tighterN > environmental controls than other vendors? IBM, HP, Compaq, DG do not appearM > to be having these issues, so it appears their systems can operate reliablyiF > at higher (what some would consider normal) datacenter temperatures. >l > Wow .. >h  ; I suppose it is unsurprising that you could not be bothered = to verify your statments about the environmental requirements 9 for HP and IBM boxes before you made your posting but you-H should have at least verified that your own enviromental recommendationsC are less stringent than Sun's. But then this is pretty much par fors to course isn't it.@  @ Just as an example the GS140 environmental requirements are moreC stringent than the requirments for a Sun E10K, 15-28C as opposed to H 5-30C for the E10K. Incedentally this info is on your web page and isn't exactly hard to find.s  B As for HP and IBM again given that you didn't have a clue what youA were talking about with respect to Compaq it is also unsurprising A that you also didn't have a clue about what HP and IBM recommend.v  G In fact the HP  V-Series has almost identical environemtal requirementsn@ to the E10K 10-30C and similar relative humidity and HP in their= Datacenter planning Guide place emphasis on ensuring that the-> relative humidity is arround 50% and not at the upper or lowerD ends of the operating range, they even include some static discharge? figures to back up their recommendations. Their recommendationslB are almost the same as the ones in Sun's guide at www.docs.sun.comM which uses the same guidelines as the ones used in our datacenter assessmentso8 which is also the advice we currently give to customers.  F IBM are similar to HP and Sun. I could not be bothered with DG but theH fact that you seem to think that DG is still a major Server vendor tendsH to suggest that you arn't really close to current systems technology. DGA was bought some time ago by EMC and their server division has all 
 but vanished.0  > I leave you to judge how credible your advocacy looks when you9 don't seem to know what your own systems requirments are.5  ; And no Sun's advice is not out of line with the advice fromc: people like IBM and HP, HP's installation guides and IBM's< RED books contain almost identical advice to the advice thatB Sun has been giving to customers. And yes a lot of datacenters are( operating outside the recommended specs.  < Incedentally anyone operating a  GS140 in a datacenter thats6 at 40C is 12C outside its operating temperature range.  ! So Wow how very very embarassing.t   Regards. Andrew Harrison2 Enterprise IT Architectu   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 13:41:21 -0400m- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> * Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist, Message-ID: <39B7D33D.6C717849@videotron.ca>  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:> > Incedentally anyone operating a  GS140 in a datacenter thats8 > at 40C is 12C outside its operating temperature range.  L How do the various computer companies differ in how they handle customers in such situations ?   J Would SUN tolerate a customer having a bad site causing higher than normalL hardware failures whereas Compaq would take actions to force the customer to) fix the problem ? How about IBM etc etc ?w   ------------------------------    Date: 07 Sep 2000 17:22:31 +08005 From: Paul Repacholi <prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>i! Subject: Re: Sun's Bitter Harvest 7 Message-ID: <rjqsnrcimjs.fsf@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>d  , David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  Q > salesmen.  Meanwhile (aside from RA81 disks, and a few other problems that WERE0M > HANDLED OPENLY BY DEC) the VMS users just keep on running, and running, andtN > running.  No matter how hard he tries, I doubt the energizer bunny will ever1 > catch up with them.  Maybe too boring for some.   A MAny years ago I currsed as a LK201 had its last Coke... You know < what that does to 'em. So rang FS, as it was on maintainace.   "What's wrong with it?"e "Coke" "Do you expect us to fix that!"n "You say office environment."t6 "You be there in 20 min so we can drop off a new one?"   spin, spin, spin...e   -- s< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 08:31:08 -0400 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>! Subject: Re: Sun's Bitter Harveste> Message-ID: <hshubs-2878F8.08310807092000@news.mindspring.com>  G In article <rjqsnrcimjs.fsf@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>, Paul Repacholi t' <prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:?  9 >MAny years ago I currsed as a LK201 had its last Coke...r  J Yeah, them keyboards just don't take kindly to caffine.  Have you tried a  ginger ale?e -- o; Howard S Shubs      hshubs@mindspring.com    hshubs@bix.come? The Denim Adept     Which is better, Maryann or pickled Ginger? > SPAM: uce@ftc.gov   postmaster@[127.0.0.1]   abuse@[127.0.0.1]   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 18:11:02 +0100t- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>S! Subject: Re: Sun's Bitter Harvestn) Message-ID: <39B7CC26.CE3F942D@bbc.co.uk>e   Howard S Shubs wrote:S  H > In article <rjqsnrcimjs.fsf@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>, Paul Repacholi) > <prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:m > ; > >MAny years ago I currsed as a LK201 had its last Coke...  >4K > Yeah, them keyboards just don't take kindly to caffine.  Have you tried a 
 > ginger ale?   H I know someone who gave up coke after seeing what it  did to the insides of an Lk401:-)   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of/ MedAS or the BBC.u   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2000 14:49:30 -0500$* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)! Subject: Re: Sun's Bitter Harvest-+ Message-ID: <4NNrY9N1r+xQ@eisner.decus.org>   o In article <rjqsnrcimjs.fsf@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>, Paul Repacholi <prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> writes:D. > David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > R >> salesmen.  Meanwhile (aside from RA81 disks, and a few other problems that WEREN >> HANDLED OPENLY BY DEC) the VMS users just keep on running, and running, andO >> running.  No matter how hard he tries, I doubt the energizer bunny will ever 2 >> catch up with them.  Maybe too boring for some. > C > MAny years ago I currsed as a LK201 had its last Coke... You know > > what that does to 'em. So rang FS, as it was on maintainace. >  > "What's wrong with it?"  > "Coke"! > "Do you expect us to fix that!"u > "You say office environment."g8 > "You be there in 20 min so we can drop off a new one?" >  > spin, spin, spin...n >   ; I _only_ DEC/CPQ hardware problem I've had since 1987 was an> rackmount Alpha 3000-500.  Everytime the modem was used on the@ serial port it would crash the machine.  The delay in getting itA fixed was my fault because I couldn't believe using a modem couldd? have that effect.  After a couple of crashes and some cause andyA effect debugging on my part, I called my FE and he said "Yep, badi  I/O board, be there in an hour".  ? About once yearly I'll take apart my LK401 keyboard and wash itt> in the kitchen sink to get the grunge off the keyboard.  Makes) the non-believers raise their eyebrows.  i   NB: "What are you doing!?!"  e Me: "Cleaning my keyboard" NB: "Won't that ruin it?" ; Me: "It would ruin _your_ keyboard if you did this.  Unlike <      _your_ hardware vendor, DEC knows how to build things."	 NB: Grunto   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 17:49:12 GMT%0 From: "Mike Flaherty" <mflaherty2@earthlink.net>! Subject: Trouble with Perl on VMShE Message-ID: <syQt5.26409$p5.944612@newsread03.prod.itd.earthlink.net>a   #!/usr/local/bin/perla   use CGI; $query = new CGI;o   --------------------------  6 When I run the above script on a Solaris box, I get...   sparky# ./billperl.pln8 (offline mode: enter name=value pairs on standard input)	 ^Csparky#-   ----------------------------  I this is expected.  However, when I run the same script (minus the path toj perl) on VMS, I get    DILBRT> perl billperl.pl  D Unrecognized character \x13 at /perl_root/lib/shellwords.pl line 49.1 Compilation failed in require at (eval 2) line 7. ) %SYSTEM-F-NOLOGNAM, no logical name match  DILBRT>a  
 Any Ideas.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 05:47:22 -0700n% From: sjoshi01 <sjoshi01@my-deja.com>i" Subject: RE: using / in the symbol* Message-ID: <MIKAKAIEILENAAAA@my-deja.com>    Hi,' But my symbol defination should be liket
 deja/deja./ I will try your suggestion and get back to you.  Thanks   --  3 On Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:12:56    Boyle, Darren wrote:h3 >Yes why not just use a logical definition for DEJA  >s, >DEF/PROCESS DEJA "DEJA/DEJA@REMOTEDATABASE" >m >or a different symbol > & >DEJA1  ==  "DEJA/DEJA@REMOTEDATABASE"	 >- Darreno >7
 >> ----------09 >> From: 	sjoshi01@my-deja.com[SMTP:sjoshi01@my-deja.com] / >> Sent: 	Wednesday, September 06, 2000 2:54 PMe >> To: 	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn" >> Subject: 	using / in the symbol >> m& >> New to the vms. Here is my problem. >> KJ >> 1. I have the oracle running in alpha. In the dcl when user call any ofH >> the oracle releted stuff they have to pass the "username/password". IC >> have bunch files where the username/password has been hardcoded.r >> g# >>   It is like $sqlplus deja/deja.n >> dJ >>  They are not using the sqlnet either. In this case user will be loggedG >> in to the local database not the remote database. If they use sqlneto5 >> they will be able to login to the remote database.  >> eG >> 2. I would like to do the following. I would like to create a symbolc >> likea >>  , >>     deja/deja == "deja/deja@remotedatase" >> iI >> 3. If I am able to do this,then I can add the "'" sign in the front ofs= >> the deja/deja, which will then interpreat the deja/deja as  >> deja/deja@remotedatabase. >> nB >> I know that I can not use the "/" when defining the symbol. Any >> workaround on this ?r >>   >> t! >> Any help would be appreciated.n >> h >> Thanks in advance.n	 >> Sjoshia >> l >> t) >> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/s >> Before you buy. >> t >f > G >**********************************************************************eD >This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andK >may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.8N >They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyM >are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, lC >please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.cJ >You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying >of this message is prohibited.e >d >Bank of BermudaG >**********************************************************************  >C    0 --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Before you buy.-   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Q From: Ira Melamed - Database Administrator <MELAMEIS@SNYFARVA.CC.FARMINGDALE.EDU>-" Subject: Re: using / in the symbol< Message-ID: <01JTW0EWHTHK8ZEFI5@SNYFARVA.CC.FARMINGDALE.EDU>   Sjoshi,m  C If the process connecting to Oracle has an ORA_DFLT_HOSTSTR logical-C defined to point to your remote database, then Oracle will use that  database for the login.t  F If you put the following in your login.com or specific individual .com files:  ) 		$ DEFINE ORA_DFLT_HOSTSTR REMOTEDATBASEh  I Then Oracle will connect to REMOTEDATABASE, without changing your SQLPLUS F statement. If you do not have ORA_DFLT_HOSTSTR defined Oracle will use0 the database that the ORA_SID logical points to.   Hope this helps...  "                                 im  H dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba G o Ira Melamed                    o                                    o,G r Database Administrator         r Email: MELAMEIS@FARMINGDALE.EDU    r G a Farmingdale                    a                                    aeG c State University of New York   c Phone: (631) 420-2415              ceG l Whitman Hall - Room 271        l                                    lsG e Farmingdale, New York 11735    e Fax  : (631) 420-2696              e/H dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba dba   G =======================================================================r  f8 From:	IN%"INFO-VAX@MVB.SAIC.COM"  7-SEP-2000 09:09:25.65" To:	IN%"INFO-VAX@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU" CC:	 Subj:	RE: using / in the symbol     # New to the vms. Here is my problem.n  G 1. I have the oracle running in alpha. In the dcl when user call any ofvE the oracle releted stuff they have to pass the "username/password". I @ have bunch files where the username/password has been hardcoded.      It is like $sqlplus deja/deja.  G  They are not using the sqlnet either. In this case user will be loggedaD in to the local database not the remote database. If they use sqlnet2 they will be able to login to the remote database.  D 2. I would like to do the following. I would like to create a symbol like  )     deja/deja == "deja/deja@remotedatase"f  F 3. If I am able to do this,then I can add the "'" sign in the front of: the deja/deja, which will then interpreat the deja/deja as deja/deja@remotedatabase.o  ? I know that I can not use the "/" when defining the symbol. Anye workaround on this ?     Any help would be appreciated.   Thanks in advance. Sjoshi   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:25:46 GMTs; From: mouse (not my real name!) <Michael.E.Price@tesco.net>  Subject: VMS jobs in the UKe) Message-ID: <8p88gh$l0a$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   = Where is the best place to look for UK based jobs using VMS??l Preferably in the Northt   TIAf    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 06:59:16 GMTa' From: Rich <richard@byron.ext.telia.se>h Subject: Re: VMS not startings2 Message-ID: <39B73CCF.80C5BD8B@byron.ext.telia.se>   You could also do a @netconfig, to reconfigure decnet with it's new nodename  D You did not mention any changes to the decnet address so I assume no change there  F And don't forget to restart the queue manager (INIT/QUEUE/MANAGER/NEW)H or you could end up in a nice startup-loop when queue manager can't find it's former nodee  	 >>> ^P.Ljo     rothsteh@my-deja.com wrote:    > Hello, >t. > I made the following change to my VMS 5.5-2. >o > SCSNODE = "test" >e1 > and used autogen to make the changes and rebootO
 > the system.  > + > When it came back up, it told me that them1 > SCSNODENUM was not set to a non zero value, anda2 > decnet did not start correctly. Does anyone have" > any clue how I can rectify this? >- > Thanks >- > Howie  >s( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.h   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Sep 2000 13:45:24 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: VMS not starting*6 Message-ID: <8p865k$lhb$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  M In article <8p637d$5dh$1@news.IAEhv.nl>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:s ..8 :Just changing the value of SCSNODE wouldn't affect VMS.  A   It can.  In certain OpenVMS releases, the system bootstrap willdB   hang on certain queue manager commands that can be found in the    system startup.y  0 :A mismatch would fail STARTNET.COM to complete." :That shoud not affect VMS either.  B   If the SYSTARTUP_VMS fails hard, it can affect the startup -- itB   is uncommon, but I have seen a severe problems (and, um, unusualG   or non-recommended DCL coding practices) in SYSTARTUP_VMS completely  .   terminate the entire system startup process.  E :The only way to figure out what is wrong is to boot into SYSBOOT andeA :set STARTUP_P1 to "MIN" and check the contents of MODPARAMS.DAT.   B   That's one approach, but I'd probably initially mess around justF   with the system parameters via SYSGEN and then work on MODPARAMS.DATE   once I got the system back upright -- you can and should update andPC   use MODPARAMS.DAT, but that can be a little tricky in the minimalsE   bootstrap environment invoked by STARTUP_P1 "MIN", as you can need iB   to directly or indirectly install various images to get various D   common commands working.  (This is not to say you can't get there,G   it's just probably easier to mung SCSNODE back to its original value, D   reboot, fix MODPARAMS.DAT and then follow the details in the FAQ.)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 12:40:02 GMTS From: nefast@my-deja.com+ Subject: writing multi-volume foreign tapesn) Message-ID: <8p82av$dii$1@nnrp1.deja.com>a  A Im currently trying to solve a compatibility problem between ourc7 native ALPHA servers and a number of external machines.t  ) These external machines are EBCDIC based.hF Once a month we send files on tape, converted from ASCII to EBCDIC, to our clients.F Some months, the files exceed the capacity of the tape media and cause3 the procedure to abort with "end of tape" messages.dF The tapes are MOUNTed/FOREIGN and the files are copied using DCL COPY.  D Could anyone tell me if it is possible to span multiple foreign tape* volumes or if any tools exist to do this ?  D The Open VMS documentation mentions the /MULTI_VOLUME qualifier, but this does not seem to work.    We use VMS v7.1h   Thanks   Jamesu          & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 09:33:41 -0500 1 From: Andy Goldstein <Goldstein@star.zko.dec.com>t/ Subject: Re: writing multi-volume foreign tapesr0 Message-ID: <39B760F5.60BE8101@star.zko.dec.com>   nefast@my-deja.com wrote:h > H > Once a month we send files on tape, converted from ASCII to EBCDIC, to > our clients.H > Some months, the files exceed the capacity of the tape media and cause5 > the procedure to abort with "end of tape" messages. H > The tapes are MOUNTed/FOREIGN and the files are copied using DCL COPY. > F > Could anyone tell me if it is possible to span multiple foreign tape, > volumes or if any tools exist to do this ? > E You're on your own here, although there may be some third-party toolshD I'm not aware of. Foreign tape handling does not support multivolumeG tape because there is no mechanism that could indicate that the file is F multi-volume. (COPY to a foreign tape simply puts the records onto the5 tape followed by a double tape mark, with no labels.)   E The simplest approach would be to split the files before copying intoi- units that are known to fit on a single tape.s  F > The Open VMS documentation mentions the /MULTI_VOLUME qualifier, but > this does not seem to work.e > F /MULTI_VOLUME only applies to file-structured tapes, which have labels to indicate what's going on.   - Andy   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:37:13 GMTr From: nefast@my-deja.com/ Subject: Re: writing multi-volume foreign tapes ) Message-ID: <8p896m$lvf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e   Thanks Andyq     James     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:05:15 -0400:: From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com>/ Subject: RE: writing multi-volume foreign tapes-K Message-ID: <D7E0F3C94377D311A24A00805F19D0EE52A6DF@MBCALBEXC04.BENDER.COM>f   > -----Original Message-----6 > From: nefast@my-deja.com [mailto:nefast@my-deja.com], > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 8:40 AM > To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comn- > Subject: writing multi-volume foreign tapes  >=20E > I=B4m currently trying to solve a compatibility problem between ourM9 > native ALPHA servers and a number of external machines.  >=20+ > These external machines are EBCDIC based.sG > Once a month we send files on tape, converted from ASCII to EBCDIC, =e to > our clients.D > Some months, the files exceed the capacity of the tape media and = causei5 > the procedure to abort with "end of tape" messages.eD > The tapes are MOUNTed/FOREIGN and the files are copied using DCL = COPY.0 >=20F > Could anyone tell me if it is possible to span multiple foreign tape, > volumes or if any tools exist to do this ? >=20F > The Open VMS documentation mentions the /MULTI_VOLUME qualifier, but > this does not seem to work.  >=20 > We use VMS v7.1u >=20 > Thanks >=20 > Jamesj  I You might want to investigate the tape utility called ETAPE (written by =s DaleG Miller, and thanks go to him for a great tape utility) to see if it canlE solve your problem.  I believe ETAPE can do ASCII to EBCDIC or vice =g versa,# and span multiple tape volumes. =20   I In the past, I used ETAPE to transfer IBM mainframe EBCDIC files, up to =  23E gig in size, to OpenVMS Alpha ASCII files.  I believe I did that at =. both OpenVMS Alpha 6.2 and 7.1.  D From the AAAREADME.TXT file at ftp://ftp.ualr.edu/vms/etape_src/ ...   "ETAPE  Rev. 2.26  28-Mar-1995    D ETAPE is a general-purpose program for handling EBCDIC, ASCII, and =	 HoneywellwF GCOS BCD tapes. It allows the user to move around at will within the = tape,DG send output to different files, specify different blocksizes and recordeD lengths for different files on the tape, and combine multiple tape = files. into a single output file.C Special translation can be performed on tapes which have embedded =  packed* decimal, floating-point, or binary fields.I The capability of writing EBCDIC or ASCII tapes from VMS ASCII files is =  alsoE included.  EBCDIC tapes can be written in FB of VB mode, and may span, several reels if necessary.r  G ETAPE removes all trailing blanks from tape records after reading them.wE On output, records will be blank padded and blocked to create fixed =e lengthG tape blocks. A switch can be set to turn off the EBCDIC translation and-3 allow the translation (or writing) of ASCII tapes."0  ; I believe the ETAPE utility can be had over the Internet atS ftp://ftp.ualr.edu/vms/=20   :) jck   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 20:29:00 -0700u) From: Rick Cadruvi <rick@rick.rdperf.com>c/ Subject: Re: writing multi-volume foreign tapes@/ Message-ID: <39B70B7C.AB8E5EFE@rick.rdperf.com>l  : try creating the tape as a normal ANSI tape and do a copy.= Most systems that support EBCDIC can read ANSI labelled tapesn- I think.  Ask your clients if that will work.   4 You may need the /interchange qualifier on the INIT.     Just my opinion,   Rick...   nefast@my-deja.com wrote:s > C > Im currently trying to solve a compatibility problem between ours9 > native ALPHA servers and a number of external machines.' > + > These external machines are EBCDIC based. H > Once a month we send files on tape, converted from ASCII to EBCDIC, to > our clients.H > Some months, the files exceed the capacity of the tape media and cause5 > the procedure to abort with "end of tape" messages. 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