1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 08 Sep 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 503       Contents: aircraft are not Sun RE: aircraft are not Sun RE: aircraft are not Sun Re: aircraft are not Sun AMP  Re: Becoming another user??  Re: Becoming another user??  Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Big AlphaServer Sale Re: Big AlphaServer Sale& Re: Booting OpenVMS 7.2 w/o DecWindowsP Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High    Noon ( Re: CHARON-VAX images? Re: CHARON-VAX images? Re: CHARON-VAX images? Re: CHARON-VAX images? Re: CHARON-VAX images? Re: CHARON-VAX images?# Coke (was Re: Sun's Bitter Harvest) ' Re: Coke (was Re: Sun's Bitter Harvest)  Compiler Errors! RE: dcps RE: dcps- Difference between Executive,supervisor,user. 1 Re: Difference between Executive,supervisor,user. 1 Re: Difference between Executive,supervisor,user.  ERRFMT in RWMBX  Errorlog Uptime is Wrong Re: Forget cluster password  Re: Forget cluster password  Re: Forget cluster password  Re: Forget cluster password 2 Re: FS: Cheap 164LX with 533Mhz 21164 CPU anybody?2 Re: FS: Cheap 164LX with 533Mhz 21164 CPU anybody?2 Re: FS: Cheap 164LX with 533Mhz 21164 CPU anybody? Re: Global buffers and SYSUAF  GNUPLOT under VMS  Re: GNUPLOT under VMS  Re: GNUPLOT under VMS  GNUPLOT under VMS 6.2+ on Alpha # Re: GNUPLOT under VMS 6.2+ on Alpha # Re: GNUPLOT under VMS 6.2+ on Alpha  HGLOGIN  Re: IMAP-Server for VMS?P Re: Incoming: PC164LX with 533Mhz CPU's - DON'T READ IF OUR POSTINGS     OFFEND  Lexmark Optra printer control ! Re: Lexmark Optra printer control  mgftp 2.6-4 sysprv requirement" RE: mgftp 2.6-4 sysprv requirement$ NCL - detached process communication% Re: Off-Topic: DS10 Hardware question % Re: Off-Topic: DS10 Hardware question 3 Re: OpenVMS filesystem reader for MicroSoft Windows 
 OpenVMS V8.0?  Re: OpenVMS V8.0? & Re: Q: DECwrite deccampus license paks Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: QUANTUM on newer systems Re: QUANTUM on newer systems Re: QUANTUM on newer systems Re: QUANTUM on newer systems; Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research? ; Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research? ; Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research? ; Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research? ) Re: Re[2]: Sun's Bitter Harvest- Going OT  Safearray in COM for openvms1 Re: Settings for maximum speed of a BACKUP/IMAGE? ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist % re: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! RE: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist  Re: Sun's Bitter Harvest Re: Sun's Bitter Harvest Re: Sun's Bitter Harvest Re: Sun's Bitter Harvest TT_ACCPORNAM for IP address  Re: TT_ACCPORNAM for IP address  UCX 4.1 and BIND8  Re: UCX 4.1 and BIND8 P Re: visual interpretation of algorithms. -> Sound interpretation of algorythmes.P Re: visual interpretation of algorithms. -> Sound interpretation of algorythmes. Re: VMS jobs in the UK Re: VMS jobs in the UK Re: VMS not starting Re: VMS not starting Re: VMS not starting( Re: Why couldn't linux read a vms drive?! Why I hate C on VMS, reason #9321  Re: Why [000000]?  Re: WORD viewer for VMS  Re: WORD viewer for VMS & Re: writing multi-volume foreign tapes  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:56:40 GMT , From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: aircraft are not Sun + Message-ID: <q0pQgQm6$DOq@eisner.decus.org>   i In article <009EFD18.9A888B1A.26@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>, Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> writes:  > M > Passenger jets are not designed to be barrel-rolled*, or to be accellerated J > downwards at over 2G**. However, both events have happened to a 747, and@ > in both cases they survived. This is called good engineering.   F   IIRC, they are designed to handle both.  The pilot is not allowed toH   intentionlally do either to ANY aircraft carrying passengers, but bothH   of those maneuvers should be well within the capability of the averageF   aircraft.  -2G is a bit extreem, and the typical aircraft should be "   inspected after such a maneuver.  E   Aircraft designed specifically for aeobatics are typically designed    to withstand +6 to -3 g.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 10:06:04 -0400 4 From: "Bochnik, William J" <BochnikWJ@bernstein.com>! Subject: RE: aircraft are not Sun J Message-ID: <2B37459189B0D211BE710000F8EF9D850566833C@nts0147.beehive.com>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0199D.F1C8AAD6  Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1"   K I hate to keep an off topic going, but there was an interesting show on the I Discovery Channel recently on jet development.  I believe the aircraft in F the show was the 777 - one of the tests that they perform is that theyF restrain the fuselage downward, and push upwards on the wingtips until9 failure - pretty cool when the wing snaps off - big bang.    -----Original Message-----@ From: koehler@eisner.decus.org [mailto:koehler@eisner.decus.org]  Sent: September 08, 2000 9:57 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: aircraft are not Sun     C In article <009EFD18.9A888B1A.26@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>, Nigel Arnot % <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> writes:  > @ > Passenger jets are not designed to be barrel-rolled*, or to be accelleratedJ > downwards at over 2G**. However, both events have happened to a 747, and@ > in both cases they survived. This is called good engineering.   F   IIRC, they are designed to handle both.  The pilot is not allowed toH   intentionlally do either to ANY aircraft carrying passengers, but bothH   of those maneuvers should be well within the capability of the averageF   aircraft.  -2G is a bit extreem, and the typical aircraft should be "   inspected after such a maneuver.  E   Aircraft designed specifically for aeobatics are typically designed    to withstand +6 to -3 g.    ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0199D.F1C8AAD6  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">  <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =  charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2651.65"> ' <TITLE>RE: aircraft are not Sun</TITLE>  </HEAD>  <BODY>  G <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I hate to keep an off topic going, but there was an = ; interesting show on the Discovery Channel recently on jet = I development.&nbsp; I believe the aircraft in the show was the 777 - one = C of the tests that they perform is that they restrain the fuselage = H downward, and push upwards on the wingtips until failure - pretty cool =. when the wing snaps off - big bang.</FONT></P>  3 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> 7 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: koehler@eisner.decus.org [<A = I HREF=3D"mailto:koehler@eisner.decus.org">mailto:koehler@eisner.decus.org=  </A>]</FONT>: <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: September 08, 2000 9:57 AM</FONT>3 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com</FONT> 7 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: aircraft are not Sun</FONT>  </P> <BR>   <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>In article =@ &lt;009EFD18.9A888B1A.26@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk&gt;, Nigel Arnot =2 &lt;sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk&gt; writes:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT> ? <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Passenger jets are not designed to be = , barrel-rolled*, or to be accellerated</FONT>F <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; downwards at over 2G**. However, both events =" have happened to a 747, and</FONT>E <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; in both cases they survived. This is called =  good engineering. </FONT>  </P>  H <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; IIRC, they are designed to handle both.&nbsp; =" The pilot is not allowed to</FONT>D <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; intentionlally do either to ANY aircraft =$ carrying passengers, but both</FONT>H <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; of those maneuvers should be well within the =  capability of the average</FONT>I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; aircraft.&nbsp; -2G is a bit extreem, and the = " typical aircraft should be </FONT>A <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; inspected after such a maneuver.</FONT>  </P>  G <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; Aircraft designed specifically for aeobatics =  are typically designed</FONT> 9 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; to withstand +6 to -3 g.</FONT>  </P>   </BODY>  </HTML> ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0199D.F1C8AAD6--    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:51:54 GMT  From: jgessling@yahoo.com ! Subject: RE: aircraft are not Sun ) Message-ID: <8pb1ug$ude$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Somebody said:  5 > Passenger jets are not designed to be barrel-rolled   D But they have been.  I had heard this before and found this article:  > http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58540-2000Jun3.html  F See the section regarding Tex Johnson rolling a 707.  I had heard thatC this was on his last day befor retirement, but this article doesn't 
 confirm that.   D I guess this does confirms that well engineered products can operateF successfully under conditions outside of what the specs call for.  :-)   Jim       & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:56:14 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>! Subject: Re: aircraft are not Sun < Message-ID: <OS8u5.75797$_s1.896834@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   RE: aircraft are not SunK I hate to keep an off topic going, but there was an interesting show on the I Discovery Channel recently on jet development.  I believe the aircraft in F the show was the 777 - one of the tests that they perform is that theyF restrain the fuselage downward, and push upwards on the wingtips until9 failure - pretty cool when the wing snaps off - big bang.   H Well, there were several planeloads of folks on the old Lockheed ElectraG turboprop who didn't think wing loss was too cool... seems the aircraft K suffered from an engine-induced harmonic problem that caused several planes 6 to have very nonharmonic convergences with terra firm.  J Once that little errata was dealt with via a platform upgrade, the Electra# was a pretty decent flying machine.    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 07:45:20 -0500 (EST)  From: troy@town.com  Subject: AMP- Message-ID: <200009081615.GAA21574@mochi.net>   ; *** Stop wasting your time and money at XXX web sites!! ***    Why pay $360.00 a year at adult web sites when they hardly ever update their site or add new material?  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I have system, and I want to test some stuff under another  > user!!  2 My favourite for this is Hunter Goatley's HGLOGIN.   Look in ftp://ftp.wku.edu   	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2000 15:02:26 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)$ Subject: Re: Becoming another user??6 Message-ID: <8pav22$7m5$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  _ In article <39b83fe4.21332985@news.accesscable.net>, hx_101@hotmail.com (Horse Nuts...) writes: F :Is there a way to become another user, without actually logging in asF :this user. I have system, and I want to test some stuff under another :user!!   B   Use UAF COPY to create a duplicate record with a new (and known)A   password and a new (and known) username, and log in under that.   E   There are various unsupported tools such as GLOGIN and WHEEL, which E   may or may not suffice -- it has been my experience (having written I   an impersonation tool) that the complete user context is not a trivial  I   thing to emulate.  Ownerships local logical name tables come into play, G   as well as needing full emulation of process quotas and a variety of     other factors.    E   These tools are version-dependent kernel-mode code, and I would be  G   (mildly) interested in knowing of any that have been updated to deal  B   with the new PSB internals used in OpenVMS Alpha V7.2 and later.  E   An image-level impersonation system service interface is available t-   (and documented) in OpenVMS V6.2 and later.e  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 08 Sep 2000 12:46:17 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>s! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale H Message-ID: <y4lmx3cgau.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  F The point is that once you've made, on VMS, your application ready forE multiple processes accessing the same data, it is also cluster-ready, H because the mechanism to implement the one, the DLM, also implements theL latter. And as many of these applications are multiple-process/-user anyway,J there is no additional cost. Now, on other OSes, the mechanism on one nodeK for this capability doesn't usually extend to the cluster case - as was thecI case with VMS pre-V4, of course. This is similar to taking the old (Unix)3I "kernel mode is my OS lock" approach on the one hand and converting it to @ a useable SMP system with hierarchical (spin)locks on the other.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:00:55 +0100 B From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale * Message-ID: <39B8C6E7.5E098EC0@uk.sun.com>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:3   > > Andrew,' > >D > > We agree on something !  > >rJ > > >>> But either way its bad news. Like it or not both OpenVMS and Tru64 > needN > > each other because although they are different OS's they share the same HWF > > platform and some applications. If say Tru64 was to dissappear the > economicseN > > of OpenVMS production for Compaq would suffer because all the platform R&D= > > would need to be financed out of OpenVMS contribution.>>>( > >bL > > Absolutely. Which is why the recent sale of 375 GS320 systems to the DOEI > > (approx 12,000 Alpha cpu's) and other recent Alpha supercomputer winsXB > > (against the best of the others) is also important to OpenVMS. > >  >cK > Yeah, add in the 100 Marvel systems to the French and you're beginning to 2 > see some serious revenue accrue to the GS-Series  J I really hope youe arn't a Compaq stock holder because I doubt that Compaq+ can afford too many of these kinds of deal.A  H The DOE deal is worth 200 million dollars and requires Compaq to deliverM 375 fully configured WildFire servers and 600 TB of storage. But at list this I configuration would according to the TPC-C unit pricing cost 1.45 billion  dollars.  J Akkkkkkkkkkkkk do Compaq still make money on kit that they are discountingM by more than 80%. Perhaps they are hoping to sting DOE for the service costs.l  I Perhaps these systems are all running Oracle and Oracle are paying Compaqe a %   K Still it disproves the old Sun only sells kit by discounting it higher thanu anyone else lie doesn't it.  G Now I wonder why the DOE decided to go with Compaq, no prizes for right B answers and no need for any technical responses its just business.   regardsd Andrew Harrisons Enterprise IT Architecto   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:55:42 +0000'$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale / Message-ID: <00256954.0046C207.00@quegw01.btyp>D  = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazam     Andrew posted;  I "The DOE deal is worth 200 million dollars and requires Compaq to delivereM 375 fully configured WildFire servers and 600 TB of storage. But at list this I configuration would according to the TPC-C unit pricing cost 1.45 billionn	 dollars."a  N I have no idea how much these systems would cost, but my arithmetic makes this just under $4m per system.   That can't be right, can it?  O $200m works out at about $550k per system. Given the number and the discount is-0 that a truer figure? It seems more likely to me.  5 Like I say, I have no idea, but if anyone else has...a   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pagesr   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:49:29 GMTi* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Saled+ Message-ID: <dN3zEknghafl@eisner.decus.org>e  o In article <39B8C6E7.5E098EC0@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:T > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:g >  >> > Andrew, >> > >> > We agree on something ! >> >K >> > >>> But either way its bad news. Like it or not both OpenVMS and Tru64e >> needoO >> > each other because although they are different OS's they share the same HWiG >> > platform and some applications. If say Tru64 was to dissappear thep >> economicsO >> > of OpenVMS production for Compaq would suffer because all the platform R&Ds> >> > would need to be financed out of OpenVMS contribution.>>> >> >M >> > Absolutely. Which is why the recent sale of 375 GS320 systems to the DOE@J >> > (approx 12,000 Alpha cpu's) and other recent Alpha supercomputer winsC >> > (against the best of the others) is also important to OpenVMS.  >> > >>L >> Yeah, add in the 100 Marvel systems to the French and you're beginning to3 >> see some serious revenue accrue to the GS-Series_ > L > I really hope youe arn't a Compaq stock holder because I doubt that Compaq- > can afford too many of these kinds of deal.  > J > The DOE deal is worth 200 million dollars and requires Compaq to deliverO > 375 fully configured WildFire servers and 600 TB of storage. But at list thissK > configuration would according to the TPC-C unit pricing cost 1.45 billionu
 > dollars. > L > Akkkkkkkkkkkkk do Compaq still make money on kit that they are discountingO > by more than 80%. Perhaps they are hoping to sting DOE for the service costs.e >     B 	Nice of Compaq to give away over a billion dollars to get a sale.  ; 	Perhaps you made a mistake somewhere.  Nah.... not Andrew.    				Rob    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2000 15:16:21 GMTn2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Salee, Message-ID: <8pavs5$p4c@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  V In article <00256954.0046C207.00@quegw01.btyp>, Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk writes:> >Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza >d >i >Andrew posted;a >cJ >"The DOE deal is worth 200 million dollars and requires Compaq to deliverN >375 fully configured WildFire servers and 600 TB of storage. But at list thisJ >configuration would according to the TPC-C unit pricing cost 1.45 billion
 >dollars." >fO >I have no idea how much these systems would cost, but my arithmetic makes thisx >just under $4m per system.  >t >That can't be right, can it?" >-P >$200m works out at about $550k per system. Given the number and the discount is1 >that a truer figure? It seems more likely to me.T   $ icalc 200000000/375          533333.3333   E That may be discounted, but at 1/2 million dollars per machine that'sg# still pretty expensive in my book! T  B On the other hand, the amount of storage for that price seems  out$ of line with Compaq's normal prices.   $ icalc 600*10^15/375          1.6e+15o  . So each system has on average 1.6 Terabytes.    K I just fired up the Alpha Configuration utility (from May,2000) and came upsE with list prices for the 4 CPU, 1000 Mb RAM, 1600 GB disk GS320 6/731nE Tru64, 2 ethernet, 1 tape, SCSI disks. systems of 852,000 and 967,000wL dollars.  (That's just a guess as to the systems they might have purchased.)H Anyway, that makes the discount from list somewhere between 36% and 43%.? (If they went with slower systems the discount would have been c correspondingly lower.)B  K That's a good discount, but not so high I suspect that the Q actually lost :H money on the deal.  They probably still had a margin of at least 5% (andH maybe 20%) so they made somewhere between 10 and 40 million on the deal.G That's likely a better margin, even after the discount, than they wouldpJ have obtained had they sold an equivalent dollar amount of PCs. And I'd beI absolutely amazed if the deal didn't include a long term service contracttG for rather a lot of money, and possibly also a contract to run all this J hardware, both of which would be very lucrative, and which would probably + not show up in the hardware purchase price.c  K One odd thing was that the LIST price for the BASE GS320 6/731, part numbereG DA-320DC-AA, was $551,000.  This is almost exactly the final discounted>C value for the complete system.  Looks like when you buy hundreds of=F millions of dollars of equipment from the Q the options are all free!    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:13:58 +0100EB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Saled* Message-ID: <39B90236.71EBC287@uk.sun.com>  % Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:b  ? > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza- >- > Andrew posted; >9K > "The DOE deal is worth 200 million dollars and requires Compaq to deliver:O > 375 fully configured WildFire servers and 600 TB of storage. But at list thisgK > configuration would according to the TPC-C unit pricing cost 1.45 billione > dollars."  >bP > I have no idea how much these systems would cost, but my arithmetic makes this > just under $4m per system. >o > That can't be right, can it? >t  G According to the TPC-C report published by Compaq the list price of thet? GS320 they used for their benchmark 32 CPU fully configured wassH 6.6 million, this config howerver included 9 TB of storage which cost ~3I million. 9 TB is ~5x more storage than each of the 375 servers would need D to give a total of 600 TB. So add in 200-300 for the storage and you  get close to 4 million per node.   Regards- Andrew Harrison, Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:30:14 -0700f1 From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US>@/ Subject: Re: Booting OpenVMS 7.2 w/o DecWindowsS3 Message-ID: <39B83316.3385C564@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US>a   John E. Malmberg wrote: 8 > > Is there a way to boot w/o DecWindows to a $ prompt? > J > To recover, you must boot conversationally.  If you have set autoboot onG > your Multia, I can not remember how to get to the >>> prompt from thes > keyboard after the power up. > J > Assuming that you have an external hard drive, you can disconnect it and' > that will cause the autoboot to fail.  > # > When you reconnect the drive, use. >  > >>> boot -fl 0,1 dka0d > ) > Assuming that dka0 is your system disk.a > , > This will take you to the SYSBOOT> prompt. >  > SYSBOOT>SET WINDOW_SYSTEM 0t >  > Might be SET WINDOW_SYSTEM=0 >  > SYSBOOT>CONT > F > After you get your licenses loaded, you can use AUTOGEN to reset the > WINDOW_SYSTEM back to 1.  D   I just tried that today on a VAX with VMS 7.1 (the first command).E DecWindows still started up.  There was a BADVALUE error and it resetaD WINDOW_SYSTEM to 1.  I ended up having to SET/STARTUP OPA0: and then2 run VMSLICENSE.COM to add the NET-APP-SUP license.   -- Vance Haemmerlen vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.USt   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 10:33:27 GMTd= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)bY Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High    Noon (o0 Message-ID: <009EFCE7.28D26DB3@SendSpamHere.ORG>  N In article <VA.000000c2.3f14f46b@sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:U >In article <009EFB7C.C48E65BD@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- Brian Schenkenberger wrote:e@ >> From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)) >> Newsgroups: comp.org.decus,comp.os.vmsdi >> Subject: Re: CETS2000 - Hands-On Interactive Registration starts 8/31/2000 High    Noon (Central Time)f& >> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 15:19:21 GMT >> g\ >> In article <39B65849.A7F6DE64@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes: >> > >> >* >> >"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: >> > >> >>  >> >>eM >> >> A litany on Brittany I'm sure we can all do without.  I'd rather attendcM >> >> a conference which discusses the merits of silicon based computers thanw >> >> Silicone laced crooners. >> >>  >> >< >> >Thats Britney, not Brittany, which is an area in France. >> DH >> I merely copied it from the prior post.  I don't follow the career ofH >> Miss Broccoli Spears, the Silicone buxom balladeering bimbo and thus,I >> the spelling of her name was assumed to be misspelled on purpose.  For I >> example, there are folks that insist on misspelling 'Brian' with a 'y'i1 >> but we all know that is simply portentous.  ;)h >> uD >Apologies in advance for this one, but I _really_ cannot resist it. >iI >"It is a little known fact, that Ms Spears is an expert in semiconductor I >physics. Not content with just singing, in the following pages, she will < >guide you in the fundamentals of the vital laser componentsI >that have made it possible to hear her super music in a digital format."y > O >Oh, enough now, see http://britneyspears.ac/lasers.htm for the gory details...t >l >Enjoy & cringe.  G Funny... and the Backdoor Boys are Nobel prize winning neurosurgeons no  doubt.  F There was an interesting link at this site to a CGI which will return E the integral of equations you enter ( http://integrals.wolfram.com/ ) E I entered: INTEGRATE[x^(-1/2)]dx and it seems to keep that web serverdA rather busy for a long period of time for some strange reason. ;)_   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM_            _O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:11:52 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>5 Subject: Re: CHARON-VAX images?o) Message-ID: <39B8D788.86FBB5E7@bbc.co.uk>m   Chris Cebelenski wrote:$   > All,D >         Does anyone have a pre-made CHARON-VAX VMS disk image thatE > will run on the hobbiest version of C-V?  Yes, I know I can make my E > own and use the VMS hobbiest licensing available through DECUS, andeF > yes I know that there's a corporate trial version available from theE > creator that I can ask for... BUT, what I want is a quick and dirtyoE > demonstration system for performance comparision purposes that willmH > probably only run for ONE OR TWO DAYS!  Basically I'm going to throw aG > small in-house developed piece of software that I've had running on a G > uVAX for a while and really don't want to port because of a s#!t-loadnG > of DCL, and prove (or disprove) that we can run it emulated.  I don't F > want to put more than a few hours into this, so making my own images% > just isn't worth the time invested.e  ( Ifs its just DCL, why not port to Alpha?< uVAX were good boxes in their day but that is well past now.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukc  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of- MedAS or the BBC.a   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2000 13:08:23 GMTc1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)r Subject: Re: CHARON-VAX images? , Message-ID: <8paoc7$247o$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>  ) In article <39B8D788.86FBB5E7@bbc.co.uk>, 0  Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes: |>  ? |> uVAX were good boxes in their day but that is well past now.a |> (  & Some of us still like out VAXen!!  :-)   bill   -- rJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 09:34:32 -0400t) From: Chris Cebelenski <cpc@mediaone.net>  Subject: Re: CHARON-VAX images? 8 Message-ID: <tkqhrsc4r12lo38tsbqetrgdmp56ajipb7@4ax.com>  A On Thu, 07 Sep 2000 22:47:26 GMT, hg/jb <shsrms@bellatlantic.net>l wrote:  F >if it is networked with LAT terminal servers are you implying no TCP,
 >just decnet?o >bob  C Right, no TCP.  No Pathworks on a PC either.  In fact, it's on it's C own private network. (Network people claim DECNET can't be routed.)n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 09:37:18 -0400n) From: Chris Cebelenski <cpc@mediaone.net>- Subject: Re: CHARON-VAX images?S8 Message-ID: <jnqhrs8mgir4bt4gnmna6h70g9kfb5rlg5@4ax.com>  1 On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:11:52 +0100, Tim LlewellynB  <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote:   >x) >Ifs its just DCL, why not port to Alpha?-= >uVAX were good boxes in their day but that is well past now.a  C  Unfortunatly it's not just DCL.  It's VAX BASIC hung together with A DCL.  Even that could be moved to Alpha with effort, but it's thehA effort that I'm trying to avoid.  I don't even have an Alpha/OVMSnD machine around here, just Alpha/DU. (Victim of the "Great VMS Purge" of two years ago.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 09:38:49 -0400l) From: Chris Cebelenski <cpc@mediaone.net>- Subject: Re: CHARON-VAX images? 8 Message-ID: <ksqhrsg27u9le10e83j33ajbqtn694peqf@4ax.com>  ; On 8 Sep 2000 13:08:23 GMT, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Billw Gunshannon) wrote:  * >In article <39B8D788.86FBB5E7@bbc.co.uk>,1 > Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:5 >|> @ >|> uVAX were good boxes in their day but that is well past now. >|>  >j' >Some of us still like out VAXen!!  :-)D >3 >bill.    E I'll agree that VAXen are great boxes!  I'm less thrilled about older F VAXen in a production environment, especially when they're lone sheep.D I'll probably take this poor uVAX home with me when it is set out to pasture.   Chrisf   ------------------------------  , Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:57:06 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> Subject: Re: CHARON-VAX images?aJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009081648540.19062-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  + On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Chris Cebelenski wrote:y [...]cD +Right, no TCP.  No Pathworks on a PC either.  In fact, it's on it'sD +own private network. (Network people claim DECNET can't be routed.)  <  You know, the "network people" are @#$^^!@$%$ @!#$%$%#!$@ !9 (except you have routers, where can't *both* route DECNETn;  nor bridge unknown protocols - but then the declaration is A  wrong: DECNET *can* be routed, only your devices are "dumb" :]).a  :  But you still can find a linux hacker or fanatic, and askA him like: "oh, why DECNET is not started on your computer ??" -:)r> (yes, driver to "virtual disk served thru DECNET" is available+  for VAX and suposed to be used your way !)n  4 http://www.sucs.swan.ac.uk/~rohan/DECnet/status.html5 http://www.sucs.swan.ac.uk/~rohan/DECnet/contrib.htmla5 http://www.sucs.swan.ac.uk/~rohan/DECnet/ (home page)a? http://linux.dreamtime.org/decnet/links.html (related software)y    Regards - Gotfryd   -- aE =====================================================================lF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MED. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 11:11:20 +0000-$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk, Subject: Coke (was Re: Sun's Bitter Harvest)/ Message-ID: <00256954.003D3353.00@quegw01.btyp>s  = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza0    P Funny this thread has started recently. It was reported in the Daily Mirror (UK)M today that one of the auction sites (QXL.com) went offline because of a spiltW% can of coke on one of their drives...B   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pagese        > David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> on 08/09/2000 03:12:02 AM    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)sL From:      David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>, 8 September 2000, 3:12 a.m.   Re: Sun's Bitter Harvest         Paul Repacholi wrote:f >r. > David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >eN > > salesmen.  Meanwhile (aside from RA81 disks, and a few other problems that WEREO > > HANDLED OPENLY BY DEC) the VMS users just keep on running, and running, andrP > > running.  No matter how hard he tries, I doubt the energizer bunny will ever3 > > catch up with them.  Maybe too boring for some.e >9C > MAny years ago I currsed as a LK201 had its last Coke... You knoww> > what that does to 'em. So rang FS, as it was on maintainace. >> > "What's wrong with it?"e > "Coke"! > "Do you expect us to fix that!"a > "You say office environment."t8 > "You be there in 20 min so we can drop off a new one?"  L Thanks.  I'm not sure how many others did, but ROTFLMAO sure applies to this one.   Dave   --4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:12:40 +0100p- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> 0 Subject: Re: Coke (was Re: Sun's Bitter Harvest)) Message-ID: <39B8D7B8.6420261F@bbc.co.uk>i  % Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:d  ? > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street PlazaS >eR > Funny this thread has started recently. It was reported in the Daily Mirror (UK)O > today that one of the auction sites (QXL.com) went offline because of a spilt ' > can of coke on one of their drives...l >r  ) That'll teach then to mirror their disks.    --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukk  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofp MedAS or the BBC.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:22:41 GMT $ From: hx_101@hotmail.com (HorseNuts) Subject: Compiler Errors! - Message-ID: <39b91228.1390704156@news.dal.ca>-  F When I run @link.com I get the folowing error. How can I resolve this?   Thanks     Error:+ 512 byte record too large for user's buffer    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 08:44:16 -04000- From: "Mitchell, David R." <mitchell@WPI.EDU>. Subject: RE: dcpstB Message-ID: <FE1835D68492D311BF7900508B5BEB0D0DE9C3@petra.WPI.EDU>  K The latest I can find (without running around to checkout all of the remoteaH ones) is the "19980714 MB3.68".  I'll let you know if what I get with my latest order is any later...   Davidd   > -----Original Message-----H > From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU [mailto:Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU], > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 5:06 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: RE: dcpsr >  > E > In article <FE1835D68492D311BF7900508B5BEB0D0DE9C0@petra.WPI.EDU>, r5 >     "Mitchell, David R." <mitchell@WPI.EDU> writes:r > J >         David, would you be so  kind  as to post the firmware "datecode"J >     for the newest firmware DIMMs you've received from HP?  The reason IJ >     ask  is that, while I've replaced the firmware in the three or  fourI >     4000's I print to on site, I'm not  convinced  that  they have  the7J >     _latest_  version,  and I've run into some problems printing certainJ >     "valid" Postscript  Level  2  files  to  them  (as  well  as  to our >     HP800DN).f >  >         Thanks, Ken1 > -- d0 >  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: ! > Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu0< >  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924< >  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515 >  h@ > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------eD >  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's... >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 08:59:06 -0400l- From: "Mitchell, David R." <mitchell@WPI.EDU>s Subject: RE: dcpsrB Message-ID: <FE1835D68492D311BF7900508B5BEB0D0DE9C4@petra.WPI.EDU>  C We have only 4000N's so I haven't tried this update on other modelssI (straight 4000, 4000 TN, etc.), but the woman I spoke to at HP assured meeE that the part number listed below is for all HP 4000 and 5000 models.   L Of course, there's also a firmware update for the HP 8000 listed in the DCPSH "System Managers Guide".  The datecode for that is "19980610 MB4.28".  II don't have any 8000's so I haven't "done battle" with HP to get that partGJ number.  Perhaps someone else has and is willing to share the part number?   Davidl   > -----Original Message-----% > From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospamu( > [mailto:hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam], > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 4:02 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comg > Subject: RE: dcpsd >  >  > 
 > In article s: > <FE1835D68492D311BF7900508B5BEB0D0DE9C0@petra.WPI.EDU>, 1 > "Mitchell, David R." <mitchell@WPI.EDU> writes:0@ > :...the part number for the firmware dimm... ...5090-3341 for  > an HP 4000N... > H >   If someone has (and is willing to post) the HP part numbers for the H >   correct printer DIMM/SIMM ROMs (and the associated printer models), F >   I can get the Ask The Wizard area updated, and can include the HP $ >   part numbers in the OpenVMS FAQ. > 5 >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion r > --------------------------- 4 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering    > hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:07:10 +05305 From: "Krishnamoorthy" <a.krishnamoorthy@digital.com>o6 Subject: Difference between Executive,supervisor,user.* Message-ID: <8pa223$acq@usenet.pa.dec.com>  
 Greetings,  I   I would like to know the difference between the three modes, supervisor,I and executive. Where does these fit in, and what kind of services do they # offer to the user in the user mode.3  L It would be of help if someone can provide me with a pointer, to a resource,! that can explain these in detail.n   Thanks in advance.   -ZealH  A -Experience is the comb life gives you after you loose your hair.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 10:06:48 GMTy= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)d: Subject: Re: Difference between Executive,supervisor,user.0 Message-ID: <009EFCE3.6FCAECB6@SendSpamHere.ORG>  b In article <8pa223$acq@usenet.pa.dec.com>, "Krishnamoorthy" <a.krishnamoorthy@digital.com> writes: >Greetings,  >oJ >  I would like to know the difference between the three modes, supervisorJ >and executive. Where does these fit in, and what kind of services do they  > That's only two modes:  1.. supervisor, 2.. executive, 3.. ???  $ >offer to the user in the user mode. >sM >It would be of help if someone can provide me with a pointer, to a resource,a" >that can explain these in detail.  J The VMS doc set is probably one of the best starting places.  Look throughI the master index and I'd bet there'll be plenty of references.  Also, the I 'VMS concepts' manual will likely have some discussion.  For a less tersetI discussion of these modes, the OpenVMS Internals and Data Structures bookt( is the best source for such information.  J In general, supervisor mode exists for the DCL interpreter and its serviceH routines.  Executive mode sees the crux of RMS and file system activity.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM0            dO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.T   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2000 08:03:30 -0500o9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)n: Subject: Re: Difference between Executive,supervisor,user.+ Message-ID: <R2hzkAVggxG+@eisner.decus.org>5  b In article <8pa223$acq@usenet.pa.dec.com>, "Krishnamoorthy" <a.krishnamoorthy@digital.com> writes: > Greetings, > K >   I would like to know the difference between the three modes, supervisorHK > and executive. Where does these fit in, and what kind of services do theyf% > offer to the user in the user mode.T > N > It would be of help if someone can provide me with a pointer, to a resource,# > that can explain these in detail.i  D Look at section 4.2.3 of the manual "OpenVMS Programming Interfaces:C Calling a System Routine".  It should be on the CD-ROMs your system>F manager got with V7.2, but if you don't care for electronic renditions$ you can order a copy of AA-PV68C-TK.  I Of course that material is just summary in nature -- to start from groundDF zero I would recommend a copy of the _VAX_ architecture manual, as theF Alpha architecture manual tends to be written for those who understand VAX.  M The part about "what kind of services do they offer to the user in user mode"aH is basically asking for a description of the entire operating system :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:40:22 +0000 $ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk Subject: ERRFMT in RWMBX/ Message-ID: <00256954.00455939.00@quegw01.btyp>e   cc:c bcc:= Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza,   ERRFMT in RWMBXy    K We have a few Alphas (8400s and 4100s) running OpenVMS 7.2-1 and 7.1-2 upon 6 which the ERRFMT process has started to go into RWMBX.  N Other than doing a copy of the mailbox to clear it, is there anything I can doH to alleviate the need to reboot these machines? Anyone seen this before?  K It has only started happening these last few weeks. If it were a Sun box, IGP could put it down to static, but I am a bit stumped as to why this is happening.M Can I find out if anything else is latching onto the mailbox, and causing theeM ERRFMT to go RWMBX, and if there is, why would it never be that process whichA hangs?  . Happy to provide more information if required.   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pagesa     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beL confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has beenP addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce, distribute or use this transmission.  L Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee is notH intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have received thisF transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.  
 Thank you.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:47:06 GMTh From: walkerp1@my-deja.com! Subject: Errorlog Uptime is Wronge) Message-ID: <8pau51$pgi$1@nnrp1.deja.com>i  F I have a cluster of four VAX 4500A's running VMS 5.5-2H4.  Today I did, an ANALYZE/ERROR and saw an entry like this:   $ ANALYZE/ERROR/SINCE=TODAYeE Error Log Report Generator                               Version V5.5cE  ******************************* ENTRY     177.********************** E  ERROR SEQUENCE 41098.                 LOGGED ON:        SID 13000202sE  DATE/TIME  8-SEP-2000 10:32:08.34                  SYS_TYPE 05230E01t   SYSTEM UPTIME: 96 DAYS 19:31:07E  SCS NODE: MYNOD1                                    VAX/VMS V5.5-2H4i  B  TIME STAMP  KA681-AA  CPU Microcode Rev # 2.  CONSOLE FW REV# 2.3@                       Standard Microcode Patch    Patch Rev # 1.    * And yet my system uptime is over 352 days:  ' $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT F$GETSYI("BOOTTIME")e 21-SEP-1999 14:47:31.35e   $ SHOW SYSTEM/INTERACTIVE-9 VAX/VMS V5.5-2H4  on node MYNOD1   8-SEP-2000 10:37:34.22iF                                                   Uptime  352 19:50:02E   Pid    Name    State  Pri      I/O       CPU       Page flts Ph.MemFE 206A469D MYPROC1 CUR      4      699   0 00:00:03.75      1388    734>    C All of the errorlog entries (I have the last three months) have the(F wrong system uptime.  I wish that I had the errorlog from the time theC errorlog entries are pointing to as the system boottime, but it hascD been purged.  I've got the fiches, and can go looking for the cause,A but I was hoping that someone had a quick answer to this puzzler.s   Paul Walker>    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.0   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2000 06:22:19 GMTj) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)t$ Subject: Re: Forget cluster password' Message-ID: <8pa0ir$ht1$3@joe.rice.edu>   , Steven Xie (r33300@email.sps.mot.com) wrote: : Hello there, :hI : I have question to ask. If I forget the cluster password, how can I addhG : a node to a cluster. I've been told that I just need copy one clustervI : database file to the new node will do the job, but don't know which one- : and where. :-    SYS$SYSTEM:CLUSTER_AUTHORIZE.DAT  > You should be able to change the cluster password from SYSMAN:   $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:SYSMAN- SYSMAN> SET ENVIRONMENT/CLUSTERbK SYSMAN> SYSMAN> CONFIGURATION SET CLUSTER_AUTHORIZATION/PASSWORD=<password>e SYSMAN> EXIT  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:11:54 +0100f- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>n$ Subject: Re: Forget cluster password) Message-ID: <39B8E59A.665A764C@bbc.co.uk>h   Steven Xie wrote:r   > Hello there, >'I > I have question to ask. If I forget the cluster password, how can I addtG > a node to a cluster. I've been told that I just need copy one cluster-I > database file to the new node will do the job, but don't know which onei > and where. >c  - From memory, sys$system:cluster_authorize.dat7     --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:25:29 GMT  From: jgessling@yahoo.com $ Subject: Re: Forget cluster password) Message-ID: <8papbh$jk7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>i  1 In article <39B87657.30D55237@email.sps.mot.com>,o.   Steven Xie <r33300@email.sps.mot.com> wrote: > Hello there, >rE > I have question to ask. If I forget the cluster password, how can I0 add7 > a node to a cluster.  F It seems the cluster password always gets lost.  Just copy sys$common:F [sysexe]cluster_authorize.dat to the same location on the new system'sD system disk and boot away.  If the new system is sharing an existing0 system disk, then you don't have to do anything.   Jimt    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.E   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:28:41 GMT@1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> $ Subject: Re: Forget cluster password2 Message-ID: <39B90755.47DF68A9@clarityconnect.com>  G Changing the password only effects the SYS$SYSTEM:CLUSTER_AUTHORIZE.DATiB file and not the password the currently booted cluster members areE using.  In order to actually use this new password for new members oflG the cluster you need to shutdown the entire cluster and reboot and no aoD rolling reboot will not work.  Now it may be possible for someone toH figure out where in memory a currently booted system keeps the encryptedE password and copy it out of the SYS$SYSTEM:CLUSTER_AUTHORIZE.DAT fileiC and update this memory location but this is probably a *VERY* risky=
 operation ;*)=   Jerry Leslie wrote:= > . > Steven Xie (r33300@email.sps.mot.com) wrote: > : Hello there, > :EK > : I have question to ask. If I forget the cluster password, how can I addpI > : a node to a cluster. I've been told that I just need copy one cluster=K > : database file to the new node will do the job, but don't know which one  > : and where. > :p > " > SYS$SYSTEM:CLUSTER_AUTHORIZE.DAT > @ > You should be able to change the cluster password from SYSMAN: >  > $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:SYSMAN3! > SYSMAN> SET ENVIRONMENT/CLUSTER M > SYSMAN> SYSMAN> CONFIGURATION SET CLUSTER_AUTHORIZATION/PASSWORD=<password>y > SYSMAN> EXIT > 6 > --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   --  D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:06:09 -0400% From: "Islandco" <sales@islandco.com>1; Subject: Re: FS: Cheap 164LX with 533Mhz 21164 CPU anybody?o/ Message-ID: <srhko7r9ljn170@corp.supernews.com>w  * I believe there is a VMS License for these  8 The Part number is QL-MT1AE-6X OVMS ALPHA BASE ASTATIONS  L Uses the same license part number as AS500, PWS500a and au, XP1000, DS10 etc    Lists for $1200  J Certain clone manufacturers (I believe Aspen and Enorex) were able to sell& these licenses with th boxen they sold   My 1.5c or 1p wortha David0   -- Island Computers US Corporationt 2700 Gregory Street 	 Suite 150  Savannah GA 31404c Tel: 912 447 6622r Fax: 912 201 0096C sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com  C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andaJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.H They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom theyK are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient,FG please notify Island Computers US Corp immediately and then delete this. message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying  of this message is prohibited.    = Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message 0 news:8p8j7g$o20$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... >.D > In article <8p8fiq$1vii$1@news.aha.ru>, "pbc" <pbc@aha.ru> writes:7 > :I pesonally installed OpenVMS 7.2 on several 164LXs.z > :Works fine. >s" >   Good for you, glad to hear it. >pK >   The 164LX box itself is fairly close to certain members of the PersonalmI >   Workstation series, and -- like the Personal Workstation -a series --lK >   whether or not OpenVMS might work on it is hit-or-miss.  OpenVMS has NOVK >   code to support the 164LX and has not tested with it.  OpenVMS does NOTo' >   support the widget, in other words.m >iE >   I've also heard that OpenVMS can bootstrap on the Alpha Processor I >   AlphaPC 264DP series.  Like the 164LX, OpenVMS has NO code to support-J >   the 264DP and has not tested with it, and OpenVMS does NOT support it. >tK >   There are also no OpenVMS licenses available for either of these boxes,-' >   other than the hobbyist licenses...n >r, >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion ---------------------------s1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringa hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >0   ------------------------------    Date: 08 Sep 2000 21:18:10 +08005 From: Paul Repacholi <prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>@; Subject: Re: FS: Cheap 164LX with 533Mhz 21164 CPU anybody?n7 Message-ID: <rjq4s3rowdp.fsf@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>M  4 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  L >   There are also no OpenVMS licenses available for either of these boxes, ' >   other than the hobbyist licenses...L  B I seem to remember the LX listed as supporting VMS, DU, the thing, and VXworks on the spec page.c   -- d< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.e@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2000 15:45:28 +0200 * From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER); Subject: Re: FS: Cheap 164LX with 533Mhz 21164 CPU anybody?m* Message-ID: <39b8ed78$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  o In article <rjq4s3rowdp.fsf@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>, Paul Repacholi <prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> writes:t5 >hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  > M >>   There are also no OpenVMS licenses available for either of these boxes, a( >>   other than the hobbyist licenses... > C >I seem to remember the LX listed as supporting VMS, DU, the thing,0 >and VXworks on the spec page.  G But vice versa, the VMS SPD does still not list the 164LX as supported.- --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888-< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  , Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 17:37:36 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>& Subject: Re: Global buffers and SYSUAFJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009081714350.19062-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  ) On 7 Sep 2000 hein@eps.zko.dec.c*m wrote:o  ^ +In article <8p7u46$8uo$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk> writes...E +>I read in a performance manual some time ago that global buffers onaJ +>SYSUAF are a good idea but I have not yet got around to setting them up. [...]y% +Just isssue $SET FILE/GLO=20   [...]oA +However... this requires momentary exclusive access to the file.s> +If that is easy... then you do not really need global buffers. +as the file is cleqaarly not used enough :-).I +If this is hard... then you do need global buffers but can not get them. 
 +Catch-22!    -:)   [...]h8 +How do you plan to 'COPY'? You should use CONVERT/SHARE    Agree.  [...] D +>use the new version while old logins will stay attached to the new +sQ +Wrong, logins do not stay attached but some tools do: VMSMAIL and QUEUE_MANAGER. L +So if someone changes his mail directory while you are flipping the sysuaf,  D  Althought will agree with the "tools where stay attached" (but IMHO? the SECURITY_SERVER must be counted also !), then will disagree-@ with your example: AFAIR MAIL saves the directory (and all other: user-made setting, like personal name etc) within MAILUAF,; and uses SYSUAF only to check (means: read-only) the systemn9 user setting (flags like disnewmail, dismail, user login d directory etc). 6  To the security server: yes, it can be reloaded with  SET SERVER/RESTART.t=  QUEUE manager can be little bigger problem... If the manager3; remembers, that new user can have problems with queues etc.t then probably:  , +[...] Sounds like an acceptable risk to me.    -:)   +Enjoy,a
 +       Hein.c    Regards - Gotfryd -- uE ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEu. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 23:33:37 +1200! From: "blah blah" <blah@blah.com>  Subject: GNUPLOT under VMS* Message-ID: <8paiic$8sb$1@news.ihug.co.nz>  J Has anybody setup and got working GNUPLOT under VMS (6.2-1h3 or higher) on an Alpha machine.o  J I have managed to set it up after a few head aches. What I need now is the3 ability to generate picture files like JPEG or GIF.d  I At the moment I can work around it by copying the files I require to UNIXhC and then generating the pictures, I just want to cut out this step.u    Any assistance greatly recieved.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:32:13 +0200 (MET)e From: ZINSER@sysdev.exchange.des Subject: Re: GNUPLOT under VMS3 Message-ID: <01JTXM3PE1PE9JFCS6@sysdev.exchange.de>e   Hello!    : > From:	IN%"INFO-VAX@MVB.SAIC.COM"  8-SEP-2000 13:56:48.58 > Subj:	GNUPLOT under VMSi  L > Has anybody setup and got working GNUPLOT under VMS (6.2-1h3 or higher) on > an Alpha machine.p > L > I have managed to set it up after a few head aches. What I need now is the5 > ability to generate picture files like JPEG or GIF.t >   " 	The hacked up 3.6 beta I have at   2 	http://www.decus.de:8080/www/vms/sw/gnuplot.htmlx   	should do what you request. o  = 	Note: This is not the latest and greatest, but I don't have c= 	experience with the newer versions (simply missing the time o@ 	to take proper care of Gnuplot), but should fit the bill you've
 	given ;-)   					Greetings, MartinP Dr. Martin P.J. Zinser                                 zinser@sysdev.exchange.de2 Deutsche Boerse Systems AG                        O Koenigsberger Str. 29                                  Tel: +49 69 2101 5634   TL 60284 Frankfurt                                        FAX: +49 69 2101 3411P Germany                                                Private:  zinser@decus.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:37:53 GMT " From: Pteppic <pchill@my-deja.com> Subject: Re: GNUPLOT under VMS) Message-ID: <8patju$op9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   3 In article <01JTXM3PE1PE9JFCS6@sysdev.exchange.de>, "   ZINSER@sysdev.exchange.de wrote:    7 > > ability to generate picture files like JPEG or GIF.c > >t   >a > 	should do what you request. >n> > 	Note: This is not the latest and greatest, but I don't have  @ Not sure but weren't Unisys chasing people for royalties on .gif# software a while back (LZW patent).i  > Might be worth looking at http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/ as an? alternative or maybe just using the newer version of the GD libp7 (doesn't use LZW as of version 1.3) might be an answer.-      & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.:   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 00:07:25 +12004 From: "Mike Tock" <hiding_me@don't_spam.hotmail.com>( Subject: GNUPLOT under VMS 6.2+ on Alpha* Message-ID: <8pakhn$b5q$1@news.ihug.co.nz>  L Sorry about the last message forgot I had screwed around with the newsreader	 settings.a  J Has anybody setup and got working GNUPLOT under VMS (6.2-1h3 or higher) on an Alpha machine.h  J I have managed to set it up after a few head aches. What I need now is the3 ability to generate picture files like JPEG or GIF.   I At the moment I can work around it by copying the files I require to UNIXRC and then generating the pictures, I just want to cut out this step.     Any assistance greatly recieved.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 10:25:35 -0400 R From: jamese@beast.dtsw.army.mil (Ed James, 410-295-1919, ed.james@telecomsys.com), Subject: Re: GNUPLOT under VMS 6.2+ on Alpha0 Message-ID: <00090810253558@beast.dtsw.army.mil>  8 "Mike Tock" <hiding_me@don't_spam.hotmail.com> wrote on A Sat, 9 Sep 2000 00:07:25 +1200 in <8pakhn$b5q$1@news.ihug.co.nz>:o  L > Has anybody setup and got working GNUPLOT under VMS (6.2-1h3 or higher) on > an Alpha machine.i > L > I have managed to set it up after a few head aches. What I need now is the5 > ability to generate picture files like JPEG or GIF.- > K > At the moment I can work around it by copying the files I require to UNIXeE > and then generating the pictures, I just want to cut out this step.n > " > Any assistance greatly recieved.  % I have 3.7 working ok. I got it from:y1     http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/gnuplot_info.html:  0 Click on "gnuplot sources and binaries archive".  6 I do not have any of the optional libraries installed.  ) Here is the banner info from the version:*           G N U P L O TR         VMS version 3.7          patchlevel 02         last modified Thu Jan 14 19:34:53 BST 1999  ,         Copyright(C) 1986 - 1993, 1998, 19995         Thomas Williams, Colin Kelley and many others   :         Type `help` to access the on-line reference manual)         The gnuplot FAQ is available from#@                 <http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ig25/gnuplot-faq/>  K         Send comments and requests for help to <info-gnuplot@dartmouth.edu>TF         Send bugs, suggestions and mods to <bug-gnuplot@dartmouth.edu>    : Ed James                           ed.james@telecomsys.com5 TeleCommunications Systems, Inc.   voice 410-295-1919 5 2024 West Street, Suite 300        fax   410-280-1094  Annapolis, MD 21401-3556   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2000 15:19:42 GMT 2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog), Subject: Re: GNUPLOT under VMS 6.2+ on Alpha, Message-ID: <8pb02e$p4c@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  a In article <8pakhn$b5q$1@news.ihug.co.nz>, "Mike Tock" <hiding_me@don't_spam.hotmail.com> writes:tM >Sorry about the last message forgot I had screwed around with the newsreadera
 >settings. >rK >Has anybody setup and got working GNUPLOT under VMS (6.2-1h3 or higher) on/ >an Alpha machine. >-K >I have managed to set it up after a few head aches. What I need now is thec4 >ability to generate picture files like JPEG or GIF. > J >At the moment I can work around it by copying the files I require to UNIXD >and then generating the pictures, I just want to cut out this step. >I  I Set the terminal type to PBM and then use XV, ImageMagick, or PBMPlus to nL convert to the other formats.  Alternatively, you may obtain better results I if you set the terminal to Postscript and then go through ghostscript to T generate the final output file.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduY? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech NJ **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 17:33:18 GMTg$ From: hx_101@hotmail.com (HorseNuts) Subject: HGLOGIN- Message-ID: <39b922a1.1394921430@news.dal.ca>a  E Looking for a compiled version of HGLOGIN.EXE for OpenVMS v7.1 Alpha,e please send it ot me?I   Thanks   ------------------------------    Date: 08 Sep 2000 16:35:57 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>s! Subject: Re: IMAP-Server for VMS?wH Message-ID: <y4ya132boy.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ( A.Greig@viirgin.net (Alan Greig) writes:  H > And trouble is caused by all sorts of dubious software designed to getG > round firewalls by disguisng itself and sitting on a well known port.-  C No, the trouble is caused by a protocol specification, and matchingsF implementations, that allow any odd process to listen to any port thatI might exist. That was designed for a cooperative network of no more than o4 256 nodes, instead of millions of belligerent ones.   & It wouldn't have happened with DECnet.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 07:17:34 -0400t) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.nettY Subject: Re: Incoming: PC164LX with 533Mhz CPU's - DON'T READ IF OUR POSTINGS     OFFEND t9 Message-ID: <39b8cb14$1$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>i  5 In <39B78A79.AC974504@bellatlantic.net>, on 09/08/00 y5    at 07:17 AM, hg/jb <shsrms@bellatlantic.net> said:o  H It might support it with IDE.  The SRM does not support the 2940 AdaptecJ controller which is in mine.  I'm currently in search of a SCSI controllerH which is supported by the SRM....Otherwise I will have to break down and buy and IDE drive...suckipoo   Roland  3 >Runs NetBSD very very nicely, allegedly runs OVMS.dF >OVMS, allegedly, like NetBSD supports limited kinds of video cards. IH >plan on trying OVMS on my PC164, the SRM seems to indicate that it does) >support it, but I have not tried it yet.e >hope this helps >bob   >"Dave W. Parsons" wrote:  >> eN >> On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:23:44, dwparsons@nikocity.de (Dave W. Parsons) wrote: >> tH >> > On Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:11:31, hg/jb <shsrms@bellatlantic.net> wrote: >> > >> > >K >> > > I ran mine up with NetBSD, IDE drive, S3Virge VGA, and it works like  >> > > LIGHTENING!!w
 >> > > bob >> > > >> >0 >> > Do these boards support standard PCI cards?D >> > I am thinking specifically of SCSI controllers and video cards?4 >> > Do you know which types are supported/suitable? >> > >> sD >> To reply to my own post, I have now answered most of my questionsI >> having found the hardware compatibility list for the 164LX but all theUF >> references to OSes are to NT, does anyone know whether they can run! >> OVMS and if so how easy is it?Y >> S >> --  >> Dave  -- N; -----------------------------------------------------------ED yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.528                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------M   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 06:28:01 GMT  From: klfam@my-deja.com-& Subject: Lexmark Optra printer control) Message-ID: <8pa0t5$obd$1@nnrp1.deja.com>a  E I'm trying to replace old DECLasers with Optras in our network and amyE trying to get hold of the documentation on control sequence setup forh' setting orientation and font selection.t  E Does anyone know where I can find a ready source. Lexmark's site does  not seem to contain much.0         K Fam0    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 10:56:23 GMTx+ From: Chris Doran <chris_doran@my-deja.com> * Subject: Re: Lexmark Optra printer control) Message-ID: <8pagki$9pm$1@nnrp1.deja.com>1  ) In article <8pa0t5$obd$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,    klfam@my-deja.com wrote:G > I'm trying to replace old DECLasers with Optras in our network and amaG > trying to get hold of the documentation on control sequence setup fori) > setting orientation and font selection.u >oG > Does anyone know where I can find a ready source. Lexmark's site does  > not seem to contain much.d  F The User's Guide is no help either, but since it claims to speak PLC5,* standard codes should work. See my post atF http://x57.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=571693008 and the rest of that thread for some clues.    ChrisH    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 10:55:18 +0100$2 From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk>' Subject: mgftp 2.6-4 sysprv requirement6. Message-ID: <39B8C596.5CBA8BD0@CCAgroup.co.uk>  H I've nothing against better performance (although I've never run foul ofE any problems), but the new buffer size setting requires sysprv on ucxW5 (although the manual suggests oper would do instead).gE Does this present a security issue (abusing low-numbered ports, etc)?   H I also call ftp as an api from applications, requiring me to install allE them too, which is a pain, and possibly an additional security issue.o   The options seem to be: 2 	a) install everything with sysprv (or maybe oper)= 	b) have the ftp code tolerate failure of buffer size settingnF 	c) use a protected shareable image to do it (this would have 			to be netlib, I think)H 	d) a mod to ucx to allow unprivileged setting, perhaps up to 			a limit set by the system manager.D The first three seem to be something I could probably do for myself.G The fourth seems ideal, but would obviously be something for Compaq, so-% I'd still need an immediate solution.p  / Anyone care to comment on the merits of these ?rC And whether b) or c) would be wanted to go back into the original ?1G I'm inclined to (b), since I didn't have any performance issues before.M   Many thanks, Chrisd   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 07:05:02 -0500a- From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> + Subject: RE: mgftp 2.6-4 sysprv requiremente/ Message-ID: <000908070502.202000b6@goatley.com>h  4 Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> writes: >iI >I've nothing against better performance (although I've never run foul of F >any problems), but the new buffer size setting requires sysprv on ucx6 >(although the manual suggests oper would do instead).  / True.  I had forgotten that OPER works as well.   F >Does this present a security issue (abusing low-numbered ports, etc)? > E SYSPRV is only turned on when necessary (i.e, before the setsockopt()DE call).  The checking of low-numbered ports and privileges remains the. same as it has always been.c  I >I also call ftp as an api from applications, requiring me to install allmF >them too, which is a pain, and possibly an additional security issue. >a True.    >The options seem to be:3 >	a) install everything with sysprv (or maybe oper)o> >	b) have the ftp code tolerate failure of buffer size setting  F I considered this when I implemented the change, but it was counter to/ the goal, which was using a larger window size.   I >	d) a mod to ucx to allow unprivileged setting, perhaps up to 			a limitn >set by the system manager.-  ? Yeah, unfortunately, UCX treats all setsockopt() calls as calls D needing privileges.  MultiNet and TCPware base the need for privs on: what it is you're trying to do with the setsockopt() call.  0 >Anyone care to comment on the merits of these ?D >And whether b) or c) would be wanted to go back into the original ?H >I'm inclined to (b), since I didn't have any performance issues before. >SC You may not have had a problem with the transfers, but I'm sure theU0 transfers were slower than they could have been.  I Still, when I get the chance, I'll modify MGFTP so that it ignores errors C setting the window size for the client and server (the listener hastA always been installed with SYSPRV, so that it can bind on the FTPe port).   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/t; <goathunter@GOATLEY.COM>     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:59:23 +0200I* From: Ferry Bolhar <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at>- Subject: NCL - detached process communication 7 Message-ID: <968425162.456837@mozart.adv.magwien.gv.at>o   Hi all,   A this is a question related to DECnet/OSI (DECnet-Plus) internals.n  H Does someone know how a process like NET$MOP communicates with NCL/CML -C for example, when a new MOP CLIENT or MOP CIRCUT is created and itsoD characteristics are set? When NET$MOP is not running, these commands> cause the "entity class not supported" message to be returned.G Otherwise, NET$MOP receives these commands (in a coded way, I'd assume)c? and maintains its volatile MOP database. When a SHOW command is F received, NET$MOP returns the requested information (again, in a codedG way?) to NCL/CML which prints them out in a readable way. How does this F communication takes place? Are there (documented) calls a process mustC make to register itself as "supported entity" and send/receive datah! from/to NCL/CML or the EMA agent?e  E I plan to use the well-known NCL interface with some otherwise unusedrC entities (there are enough) to implement a simple command interfacewH which can be used to send commands to a detached process which maintainsE a database about TCP/IP connections for a particular application. The D reason for the use of NCL is that it is well known, provides commandD line parsing and various output format capabilities, and can be usedC easily locally, in a LAN as well in a WAN. It provides a consistentbD security mechanism through the use of proxies and can log any remoteF access. It can run previous created scripts (DO command) and can traceA any command received/output sent. These are all features I had tod& re-event when coding my own interface.  D I only want to implement the CREATE/DELETE, ENABLE/DISABLE, SHOW and some SET directives.  % MTIA for any help, and kind greetingst   Ferry  --   Ing. Ferry Bolhar-Nordenkampft Municipality of Vienna Municipality Department 14
 A-1010 Viennam E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.ato  : "Wenn hier einer schuld ist, dann immer nur der Computer."   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2000 14:56:37 GMTy2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman). Subject: Re: Off-Topic: DS10 Hardware question6 Message-ID: <8paun5$7m5$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  n In article <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A61D7@and02.drc.com>, "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com> writes:1 :Along with my DS10 came a "Release Notes" lettera! :that said (amoung other things):P :  :> USB PORTS0 :>    USB support is not available at this time. :e> :Since the DS10 is on the list of systems that was "supported"B :by the USB early adopters kit I was wondering what the story was.  D   There are two issues, one is related to low-level firmware device C   support, and the other is related to the (lack of) supported USB n   drivers in OpenVMS.e  B :Are there plans to enable the USB in some future release of DS10  :firmware?    B   I do not know for certain, though I *think* the answer is "yes".@   (Assuming some technical issues can be successfully resolved.)  : :If I upgrade to a version of Linux that supports USB will :the USB ports be usable?   @    With SRM firmware loaded, likely not.  I am not familiar with?    AlphaBIOS/ARC on this box, nor with plans or status of same.    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:01:54 -0400j5 From: Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@compaq.com.doom>n. Subject: Re: Off-Topic: DS10 Hardware question/ Message-ID: <39B90D71.1AAF097A@compaq.com.doom>d  @     Actually it is a firmware issue.  The latest versions of the+ firmware for the DS10 and related platforms.B remove the controller from the I/O configuration.  So unless Linux+ trolls around in the bowels of the hardwaree, it will not know that the controller exists.  B     Support was removed for several reasons and the hardware teams! responsible for the platform havesB no plans to ever re-enable it.  This could change but would take a, mandate from users for having it re-enabled.     Forrest Kenney OpenVMS/ USB project leader   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:45:42 GMT - From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley).< Subject: Re: OpenVMS filesystem reader for MicroSoft Windows1 Message-ID: <39b9174d.104686340@swen.process.com>t  < On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 07:50:06 +0200 (MET DST), Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote:   >Hello,k >  >Dijk van Jeroen wrotes: >  >>>>9 >But programs to read/write DOS floppies on VMS exist ande# >it may be easier to go that route.s ><<< >lE >The name of this utility is PCdisk and could be found as part of the H >OpenVMS PathWorks version 4 or 5 saveset. This utulity should be storedC >on the FreeWare CD and be modified to read disks/CDs DOS formattedg  >with a size greater then 511MB. >- >Regards Rudolf Wingert, > H >P.S. A tool to read all kind of Windows filesystems (FAT16, FAT32, NTFSI >     and CIFS) would be nice. On other OSes you will get them, sometimesA >     for free.  >0B MGPCX lets you read and write DOS floppies, on both VAX and Alpha.F (Last I knew, PCDISK was VAX only.)  Unfortunately, I've never had theE time to learn the more recent Windows file systems, so MGPCX is stilleC currently limited to DOS file names.  Still very handy to have.....g  ( ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/mgpcx.zip! http://www2.wku.edu/www/fileserv/n   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ : goathunter@goatley.com      http://www.goatley.com/hunter/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:10:35 -0400e From: Tym_Stegner@cca-int.com7 Subject: OpenVMS V8.0?A Message-ID: <OF9017C73D.C17EEB82-ON85256954.00589A8C@cca-int.com>n  I Does anyone know of what plans there are for OpenVMS in the V8.0 release? E I heard something about 64-bit operations that would incapacitate any I currently existing 32-bit organized application.  (and may not completely F understand the issue anyway...)  Any pointers to plans for this future release would be helpful...    -Tym   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:57:49 GMTh4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: OpenVMS V8.0?< Message-ID: <hU8u5.75798$_s1.896256@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  K > Does anyone know of what plans there are for OpenVMS in the V8.0 release? G > I heard something about 64-bit operations that would incapacitate anyJK > currently existing 32-bit organized application.  (and may not completelysH > understand the issue anyway...)  Any pointers to plans for this future > release would be helpful...1  I There will be an 8.0 release, but it's uncertain what will be in it... it D all depends on what Compaq wants to change the name from 7.n to 8.0.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 10:07:11 +0200 ' From: Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de>,/ Subject: Re: Q: DECwrite deccampus license paksr* Message-ID: <39B8BA4F.5AC244AB@iaf.fhg.de>   sysmgr@lnHUH?gs.infn.it wrote: > 2 > Inside my deccampus paks cdrom there are several > decwrite paks: > / > AXPGS4_$ dir dkb500:[paks_openvms]decwrite*.*  > ! > Directory DKB500:[PAKS_OPENVMS]w > C > DECWRITE-UI-DEUTSCH.COM;1               DECWRITE-UI-FRANCAI.COM;1lF > DECWRITE-USER-UI-BRITISH.COM;1          DECWRITE-USER-UI-DANSK.COM;1H > DECWRITE-USER-UI-DEUTSCH.COM;1          DECWRITE-USER-UI-ESPANOL.COM;1G > DECWRITE-USER-UI-FRANCAI.COM;1          DECWRITE-USER-UI-HEBREW.COM;1 F > DECWRITE-USER-UI-ITALIAN.COM;1          DECWRITE-USER-UI-NEDER.COM;1F > DECWRITE-USER-UI-NORSK.COM;1            DECWRITE-USER-UI-SUOMI.COM;1= > DECWRITE-USER-UI-SVENSKA.COM;1          DECWRITE-USER.COM;1u > B > I performed an installation of decwrite 3.1 after installing the, > DECWRITE-USER.COM, with a successfull IVP.: > When the unprivileged user uses decwrite a message tells@ > that a valid decwrite license is not registered, then decwrite+ > will run in a demo mode... what it wants?*0 >   Many thanks in advance for the answers. bye,D >                                                 Nazzareno Taborgna > $! dcl( > $ use_email =  field_reply_to - "HUH?"1 > $!_____________________________________________a    , Check the file SYS$STARTUP:WRITE$STARTUP.COM? The executable SYS$SYSTEM:DECWRITE.EXE has to be installed witht2 the parameters: /open /header /shared /PRIV=CMKRNL  H I also changed: sys$system:decchart.exe -> sys$system:decchart$MOTIF.exe     Regards, -- u  ; *********************************************************** ; *                                                         * ; *  Theo Jakobus                                           *s; *  Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Angewandte Festkoerperphysik  *o; *  Tullastr. 72                                           * ; *  D-79108 Freiburg                                       *o; *  Germany                                                * ; *  Phone:   +49-(0)761-5159-325                           *r; *  FAX :    +49-(0)761-5159-200                           *o; *  e-mail:  jakobus@iaf.fhg.de                            * ; *  http://www.iaf.fhg.de                                  *e; *                                                         *a; ***********************************************************C   ------------------------------    Date: 08 Sep 2000 16:21:24 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>c" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?H Message-ID: <y41yyv3qxn.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>   jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:   < > You've got to be kidding.  It was the 36-bit _timesharing_6 > machines that took the computer work out of the lab.< > No longer did one have to wait for a card job to get done.> > Our implementations of timesharing gave users the impression< > that they had the system all to themselves...just like you= > now have with the PCs.  A good timesharing operating systemR? > preserved that illusion with respect to all system resources.e  A So how where TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 better than VMS in this respect?e: Having used two of the three, I don't see much difference.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 22:52:44 -0400a* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>% Subject: Re: QUANTUM on newer systemse- Message-ID: <39B8547C.70BB1DEA@tsoft-inc.com>    Dave Gudewicz wrote: > 	 > Quantum  > K > The default value is 20, which translates to 200msec.  I believe this hasoM > been the default for this parameter for at least a long time, perhaps going> > back to VAX730 daze.  ;-)w > H > What with today's new Alpha systems; lots of Mhz, switched backplanes,G > wildfires a'blazin', etc etc, is 20 still a proper value for QUANTUM?  > J > I think not.  What do others here think.  And how does one determine the
 > best value?  > A > And yes you are permitted to begin your replies with "depends".- > 	 > Dave...l  " Very well, I'll take that liberty.   Depends.  G What type of processing is a big factor.  You knew that already, right?   P If most jobs are doing significant I/O, then all that happens in a faster CPU isP that less of the quantum is used before the I/O is queued, and the process givesJ up the CPU.  (Ignoring async I/O for the moment.)  In such a scenerio, youL rarely reach the quantum max, so the effect is a lower quantum.  However, ifK there is a compute bound process, then some decisions are required.  Is theuO compute bound process important enough to allow it to use a longer quantum, andtP if so, you might actually want a larger value, thus reducing overhead for such aP process.  It's all where your priorities (on importance of particular jobs) lie.  P It also has a dependance upon normal idle CPU time you have.  If the CPU has theP resources, let it burn some with the added overhead of a lower quantum.  If it'sL rather busy, then you'd be more preoccupied with performance and efficiency.  L Just wondering if there are any tools for monitoring the average and maximumO time processes spend being processed before giving up the CPU, and knowing whatuI percentage use the full quantum would be useful also.  Possibly the toolslO available for adjusting parameters to increase performance monitor such.  Neverd$ really had much faith in such tools.   Dave   -- e4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:29:11 -05001 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>r% Subject: Re: QUANTUM on newer systemsj8 Message-ID: <8papce$7op$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  K Another excellent reply.  Thanks.  What started out as (I thought) a simple K question, now has evolved into a deeper and more interesting item.  WhoevereL coined the phrase "the devil is in the details" was probably right.  Perhaps Lucifer himself !!  ? Hope all the gentle readers here gain benefit from such things.s  K A tool to measure such things would be of some value here.  Anybody know ofi one?   Dave...n  7 "David A Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in messagea' news:39B8547C.70BB1DEA@tsoft-inc.com...e > Dave Gudewicz wrote: > >  > > Quantumu > > I > > The default value is 20, which translates to 200msec.  I believe thisu hasvI > > been the default for this parameter for at least a long time, perhapsg goingp > > back to VAX730 daze.  ;-)s > > J > > What with today's new Alpha systems; lots of Mhz, switched backplanes,I > > wildfires a'blazin', etc etc, is 20 still a proper value for QUANTUM?- > > L > > I think not.  What do others here think.  And how does one determine the > > best value?t > >)C > > And yes you are permitted to begin your replies with "depends".t > >, > > Dave...' >a$ > Very well, I'll take that liberty. >y
 > Depends. >dI > What type of processing is a big factor.  You knew that already, right?a >rK > If most jobs are doing significant I/O, then all that happens in a faster  CPU isL > that less of the quantum is used before the I/O is queued, and the process givesnL > up the CPU.  (Ignoring async I/O for the moment.)  In such a scenerio, youK > rarely reach the quantum max, so the effect is a lower quantum.  However,e ifI > there is a compute bound process, then some decisions are required.  Is  the D > compute bound process important enough to allow it to use a longer quantum, andK > if so, you might actually want a larger value, thus reducing overhead for  such aG > process.  It's all where your priorities (on importance of particulari
 jobs) lie. > J > It also has a dependance upon normal idle CPU time you have.  If the CPU has theeI > resources, let it burn some with the added overhead of a lower quantum.i If it'scB > rather busy, then you'd be more preoccupied with performance and efficiency.h >sF > Just wondering if there are any tools for monitoring the average and maximumiL > time processes spend being processed before giving up the CPU, and knowing whatK > percentage use the full quantum would be useful also.  Possibly the toolsiJ > available for adjusting parameters to increase performance monitor such. Nevern& > really had much faith in such tools. >l > Dave >  > --6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596@ > DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com8 > T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:28:14 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>% Subject: Re: QUANTUM on newer systemss( Message-ID: <8pb05v$gpa$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  H A side question on IOTA here. IIRC IOTA is the "penalty" subtracted from QUANTUM forrK each DIO. Now IOTA is set fairly small (2?) but what happens if IOTA is setl
 to 1 or 0?  E I've been experimenting with various IOTA and QUANTUM values, without- realising that  AWSTIME was involved as well :-(  
 Hans Vlems  ) Dave Gudewicz heeft geschreven in berichtt/ <8papce$7op$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>...-L >Another excellent reply.  Thanks.  What started out as (I thought) a simpleL >question, now has evolved into a deeper and more interesting item.  WhoeverD >coined the phrase "the devil is in the details" was probably right. Perhapst >Lucifer himself !!P >)@ >Hope all the gentle readers here gain benefit from such things. >aL >A tool to measure such things would be of some value here.  Anybody know of >one?t >  >Dave... >c8 >"David A Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message( >news:39B8547C.70BB1DEA@tsoft-inc.com... >> Dave Gudewicz wrote:w >> > >> > Quantum >> >J >> > The default value is 20, which translates to 200msec.  I believe this >hasJ >> > been the default for this parameter for at least a long time, perhaps >going >> > back to VAX730 daze.  ;-) >> >K >> > What with today's new Alpha systems; lots of Mhz, switched backplanes,AJ >> > wildfires a'blazin', etc etc, is 20 still a proper value for QUANTUM? >> >I >> > I think not.  What do others here think.  And how does one determinen thes >> > best value? >> >D >> > And yes you are permitted to begin your replies with "depends". >> > >> > Dave... >>% >> Very well, I'll take that liberty.o >> >> Depends.h >>J >> What type of processing is a big factor.  You knew that already, right? >>L >> If most jobs are doing significant I/O, then all that happens in a faster >CPU isiE >> that less of the quantum is used before the I/O is queued, and thei processy >givesI >> up the CPU.  (Ignoring async I/O for the moment.)  In such a scenerio,t youeL >> rarely reach the quantum max, so the effect is a lower quantum.  However, >if J >> there is a compute bound process, then some decisions are required.  Is >theE >> compute bound process important enough to allow it to use a longere
 >quantum, and/L >> if so, you might actually want a larger value, thus reducing overhead for >such arH >> process.  It's all where your priorities (on importance of particular >jobs) lie.i >>K >> It also has a dependance upon normal idle CPU time you have.  If the CPUr >has theJ >> resources, let it burn some with the added overhead of a lower quantum. >If it'sC >> rather busy, then you'd be more preoccupied with performance anda >efficiency. >>G >> Just wondering if there are any tools for monitoring the average andh >maximumE >> time processes spend being processed before giving up the CPU, andm knowinge >whatcL >> percentage use the full quantum would be useful also.  Possibly the toolsK >> available for adjusting parameters to increase performance monitor such.s >Never' >> really had much faith in such tools.  >> >> Davet >> >> -- 7 >> David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450s7 >> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596 A >> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.comh9 >> T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486n >e >S   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2000 18:31:26 +01001T From: pmoreau@cenaath.cena.dgac.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.64.40)% Subject: Re: QUANTUM on newer systems ! Message-ID: <Snyv2O7knj0H@gaelic>   : In article <8p8e7u$m6g$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>, "2 Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> writes:	 > Quantum  > K > The default value is 20, which translates to 200msec.  I believe this has M > been the default for this parameter for at least a long time, perhaps going- > back to VAX730 daze.  ;-)  > H > What with today's new Alpha systems; lots of Mhz, switched backplanes,G > wildfires a'blazin', etc etc, is 20 still a proper value for QUANTUM?e >   5 On my Alphas, I generally use QUANTUM=2 and AWSTIME=4c  G May be a bit low, but no problems for years, and no sensitive overhead.    Patrickl --O ===============================================================================aO pmoreau@cena.dgac.fr  (CENA)     ______      ___   _           (Patrick MOREAU)x4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================t   ------------------------------    Date: 08 Sep 2000 13:29:36 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>mD Subject: Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research?H Message-ID: <y4its7cean.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  / Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:x   > Goto www.compaq.come; > Click on the Jobs link in the top right hand of the page.PB > Enter your search criteria (eg category engineering keyword VMS)  > I always get no search results ("We're sorry..."). What gives?   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:23:09 +0100.- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>lD Subject: Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research?) Message-ID: <39B8DA2D.9507A2D6@bbc.co.uk>l   Jan Vorbrueggen wrote:  1 > Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:  >p > > Goto www.compaq.comh= > > Click on the Jobs link in the top right hand of the page.vD > > Enter your search criteria (eg category engineering keyword VMS) >i@ > I always get no search results ("We're sorry..."). What gives? >a
 >         Jan:  H I dunno, I tried it briefly only because someone had mentioned it to me.  B I just tried again and got quite a few hits when seraching for VMS   I have not looked in detail.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukO  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofn MedAS or the BBC.e   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2000 13:00:12 GMT41 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)nD Subject: Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research?, Message-ID: <8panss$247o$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  ) In article <39B8DA2D.9507A2D6@bbc.co.uk>,l0  Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes: |> a |> r |> Jan Vorbrueggen wrote:h |> m4 |> > Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes: |> > |> > > Goto www.compaq.com@ |> > > Click on the Jobs link in the top right hand of the page.G |> > > Enter your search criteria (eg category engineering keyword VMS)r |> >C |> > I always get no search results ("We're sorry..."). What gives?l |> sK |> I dunno, I tried it briefly only because someone had mentioned it to me.e |> eE |> I just tried again and got quite a few hits when seraching for VMSh |> l  D Same here.  And some of them look interesting enough it almost makes: me want to give up academicia and re-enter the real world.   Note, I said almost!!  :-)C But I will definitely be pointing our seniors in Compaq's directionr as graduation draws nearer..   bill   -- cJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   i   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:48:24 -0400. From: "Kenneth Randell" <kenr@datametrics.com>D Subject: Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research?+ Message-ID: <8paqj6$6n9$1@bob.news.rcn.net>E   No flames please.....BUT  F I think IE 4.x has problems.  IE 5.x seems to work okay.  I don't have Netscape at home.I   Ken Randell   $ Jan Vorbrueggen wrote in message ...0 >Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes: >- >> Goto www.compaq.com< >> Click on the Jobs link in the top right hand of the page.C >> Enter your search criteria (eg category engineering keyword VMS)E >I? >I always get no search results ("We're sorry..."). What gives?r >e > Jani   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:22:57 -0400& From: "Mike Duffy" <mdduffy@erols.com>2 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Sun's Bitter Harvest- Going OT+ Message-ID: <8pasmv$k7p$1@bob.news.rcn.net>   B Once upon a time, a user in my shop had the misfortune to have her/ desk directly beneath a leaky spot in the roof._  < At every overnight rainstorm, her LK201 got a steady stream,D not a "drip", but a "stream", of acidic Northern Virginia rainwater,E along with whatever dissolved from the roof; tile, asbestos, plaster,g tar, whatever.  G The next morning, I would dutifully attempt to remove it from the VT320*? without getting shocked (I was moderately successful), pour the B remaining water from the innards, and stand it on end for a while.   It... Kept... Working...  0 She could not be convinced to move the keyboard.  + She could not be convinced to power it off.   , She could not even be convinced to cover it.  2 Management could not be convinced to fix the roof.  < This noble triumph of engineering survived an entire summer,: with about 8 good storms, while powered on, before finally& giving up the ghost in late September.  3 (And No, she could not be convinced to pay for it.)    -Mike     . Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote in message' <009EFC44.CA6D6C20@SendSpamHere.ORG>... ; >In article <0033000003985450000002L002*@MHS>, WILLIAM WEBB* <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> writes:*J >>=0AIn article <rjqsnrcimjs.fsf@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>, Paul Repacho= >>li) >><prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:i >>; >>>MAny years ago I currsed as a LK201 had its last Coke...? >>J >>Yeah, them keyboards just don't take kindly to caffine.  Have you tried= >> a
 >>ginger ale?s >>--= >>Howard S Shubs      hshubs@mindspring.com    hshubs@bix.com A >>The Denim Adept     Which is better, Maryann or pickled Ginger?i@ >>SPAM: uce@ftc.gov   postmaster@[127.0.0.1]   abuse@[127.0.0.1] >>H >>     I've actually heard stories about LK201s that fell victim to "The8 >>     Pepsi Syndrome" being RUN THROUGH THE DISHWASHER- >>J >>     As long as they got thoroughly dried, (air-dried, I presume) there= >> >>     wasn't any problem... >>
 >>     WWWebb- >>=t >> >nG >Due to tight desk space, I recently spilled an entire cup of coffee (IfG >drink mine from a 22oz. beer mug) on a LK411.  Carefully, I opened the0H >keyboard and removed the plastic (actually 2 sheets) which composed itsG >keyboard switch element.  I pulled the two pieced apart and washed andmH >dried them.  I put the keyboard back together and I'm now 1 finger typ-G >ing this message on this very keyboard as MicroVAX-IV is druelling allr	 >over it.e >  >--t3 >VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001d VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >oJ >city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:23:12 GMTt From: bellfra@my-deja.com % Subject: Safearray in COM for openvmse) Message-ID: <8pasnn$ntg$1@nnrp1.deja.com>n  C Is anyone know how to pass a variant type variable in vms such thatt safearray can be created?  here is how I implemented! hresult CA:HI(VARTYPE *pval) {d   long a[2];   SAFEARRAY *psa;i    SAFEARRAYBOUND bounds[]={1,0};*   psa=SAFEARRAYCREATE(VT_BSTR, 1, bounds);	   a[0]=0;     bstr=SysAllocstring(L"abcdd");"   safearrayputelement(psa,a,bstr);  : pval->vt=VT_ARRAY|VT_BSTR; <------- got compilation errors9 pval->parray=psa;  <---------------got compilation errorsm }H  G ERROR MESSAGE is :  left operand of the "->" operator must be a pointerr
 to a class          & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.r   ------------------------------    Date: 08 Sep 2000 21:25:35 +08005 From: Paul Repacholi <prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>u: Subject: Re: Settings for maximum speed of a BACKUP/IMAGE?7 Message-ID: <rjqzoljnhgw.fsf@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>   4 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  X > In article <B5DD8557.4425%C.Leue@GeoNet.de>, Christian Leue <C.Leue@GeoNet.de> writes:N > :I need to defragment a 70% full 120GB shadowset (2264757 files, DFO reportsM > :fragmentation index 65) by breaking it, then doing a BACKUP/IMAGE from oneiO > :disk to the other. Unfortunately, my maintenance window is only 5 hours. Can L > :you folks comment on whether I have the parameters right for maximum copy > :speed? VMS version is 7.2-1.e > J >   Do you need to, or are you reacting to the fragmentation index number? > K >   Do you have specific files that are fragmented?  Log files and listingsFJ >   files, for instance, are notoriously fragmented and the fragmentation K >   of these fules is often entirely inconsequential to system performance.   K In fact, by 'plugging' zillions of small isolated extents and removing themoH from (re)use, these can in fact help. Sho dev/win dsa<foo>: and see what the open files are like.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 11:25:40 +0000s$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist/ Message-ID: <00256954.003E832E.00@quegw01.btyp><  = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazao     Bill G posted;  E "Back in 1971-72 I was a trainee second shift computer operator on an,D IBM 1401 at a place known as KAD in Germany (Anybody here know where
 that is??). "a  > Yes, it's just to the left of France as you look at the map...   ;^Dz   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pagesm   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 11:54:22 +00002$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist/ Message-ID: <00256954.004122BA.00@quegw01.btyp>v  = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza      Andrew posted;  A "Just as an example the GS140 environmental requirements are moreeC stringent than the requirments for a Sun E10K, 15-28C as opposed tolH 5-30C for the E10K. Incedentally this info is on your web page and isn't exactly hard to find."  6 From CPQ website GS140 is 15-28C, and humidity 20-80%.4 From Sun website E10K is 10-30C and humidity 30-70%.  0 Just to make sure the CORRECT figures are given.  0 Then again GS160 is 5-35C and humidity 10-90%...   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pagesm   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 11:57:05 +0000 $ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist/ Message-ID: <00256954.0041631A.00@quegw01.btyp>u  = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazai     Andrew posted;  = "Incedentally anyone operating a  GS140 in a datacenter thatso6 at 40C is 12C outside its operating temperature range.  " So Wow how very very embarassing."  G Well, not really. The difference would be that the GS140 would still ber operating...   ;^Dr   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pagesh   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:05:01 +0000s$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist/ Message-ID: <00256954.00421D26.00@quegw01.btyp>l  = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazar     Andrew posted;  H "In fact the HP  V-Series has almost identical environemtal requirements2 to the E10K 10-30C and similar relative humidity "  @ From HP website 20-30C and humidity 40-60% with no condensation.   Just to give CORRECT figures.:   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow PAgesa   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:27:23 +0100S/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>s. Subject: re: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist7 Message-ID: <009EFD18.9A888B1A.26@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>t   Andrew Harrison wroteT >  > "Main, Kerry" wrote: > 
 > > Andrew ..r > >hH > > Based on all of the notes you have presented here, are Sun technicalH > > documents being updated to reflect Suns requrements for much tighterP > > environmental controls than other vendors? IBM, HP, Compaq, DG do not appearO > > to be having these issues, so it appears their systems can operate reliablyoH > > at higher (what some would consider normal) datacenter temperatures. > >i
 > > Wow .. > >n > = > I suppose it is unsurprising that you could not be botheredc? > to verify your statments about the environmental requirements.; > for HP and IBM boxes before you made your posting but youaJ > should have at least verified that your own enviromental recommendationsE > are less stringent than Sun's. But then this is pretty much par forc > to course isn't it.v > B > Just as an example the GS140 environmental requirements are moreE > stringent than the requirments for a Sun E10K, 15-28C as opposed touJ > 5-30C for the E10K. Incedentally this info is on your web page and isn't > exactly hard to find.r  1 OK, this is half the answer I've twice asked for.>  # The other requires a simple yes/no.W  J Are you prepared to state that all (or even the majority) of the problems H that customers are experiencing with E10Ks are caused by those customersA running them in an environment colder than 5C or hotter than 30C?e  < If so you have a lot of incompetent customers. 30C is *hot*!  K If not, we will draw the obvious conclusions about spin, smoke and mirrors.e   [snip]  > > Incedentally anyone operating a  GS140 in a datacenter thats8 > at 40C is 12C outside its operating temperature range. >   G Indeed, if it's deliberate, rather than the consequence of an equipmentU failure or FUBAR.o  E But if it keeps working, that's a rather desirable state of affairs. s  K Passenger jets are not designed to be barrel-rolled*, or to be accelleratedoH downwards at over 2G**. However, both events have happened to a 747, andI in both cases they survived. This is called good engineering. I'm willingrG to trust my life to a 747, and I'd be more willing to trust a corporate G life to a computer that was likewise able to ride out the unexpected org even the unprecedented.v   	Yours, 
 		Nigel Arnoto- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                   t  7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."n  H * take you pick between an autopilot glitch and an atmospheric vortex onC   an unprecedented scale. The autopilot was subjected to exhaustive 3   study, and no fault, actual or latent, was found.w  J ** This was turbulence. One passenger died; his neck was broken by hittingL    the luggage bin. Many had broken bones. When you fly, keep your seatbelt ,    fastened at all times like the pilots do!   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 11:16:26 GMTs% From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com>i* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist) Message-ID: <8pahpv$b0t$1@nnrp1.deja.com>i  / In article <00256954.003E832E.00@quegw01.btyp>,F'   Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:0? > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza> >E > Bill G posted; > G > "Back in 1971-72 I was a trainee second shift computer operator on andF > IBM 1401 at a place known as KAD in Germany (Anybody here know where > that is??). ": >2@ > Yes, it's just to the left of France as you look at the map... >h > ;^D:  B Hm, if Germany is left of France on your map then your are holdingC your map the wong way, I guess. Are maps in the UK upside-down (the.  north-pole being at the bottom)?   --( Uwe Zessin (German, have been in France)    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.b   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:58:14 +0000 $ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist/ Message-ID: <00256954.0046FBA7.00@quegw01.btyp>   = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street PlazaT    ; Of course, didn't you know we always look down on Europe...c   ;^D   2 Steve Spires (trying hard to cover his mistake...) VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pages=        9 Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com> on 08/09/2000 11:16:26 AM=    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)OH From:      Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com>, 8 September 2000, 11:16 a.m.  ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist/        / In article <00256954.003E832E.00@quegw01.btyp>, '   Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote: ? > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza| >  > Bill G posted; >/G > "Back in 1971-72 I was a trainee second shift computer operator on an F > IBM 1401 at a place known as KAD in Germany (Anybody here know where > that is??). "- >-@ > Yes, it's just to the left of France as you look at the map... >o > ;^De  B Hm, if Germany is left of France on your map then your are holdingC your map the wong way, I guess. Are maps in the UK upside-down (thei  north-pole being at the bottom)?   --( Uwe Zessin (German, have been in France)    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:40:27 +0100rB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist) Message-ID: <39B8D02B.5BA239D@uk.sun.com>   % Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:r  ? > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazal >n > Andrew posted; >rC > "Just as an example the GS140 environmental requirements are moreaE > stringent than the requirments for a Sun E10K, 15-28C as opposed tosJ > 5-30C for the E10K. Incedentally this info is on your web page and isn't > exactly hard to find." >e8 > From CPQ website GS140 is 15-28C, and humidity 20-80%.6 > From Sun website E10K is 10-30C and humidity 30-70%. >.  7 Sorry the 5 was a typo. But it does not alter the basice> point which is that the enviromental requirments for the GS1408 are tighter than they are for an E10K from a temperature: standpoint and considerably tighter than something like an E4500/E6500 for example.   > 2 > Just to make sure the CORRECT figures are given.  3 Perhaps you should have corrected Kerrys posting ite8 was after all completely incorrect. In fact he just made9 it up probably based on rading on of Rob incorrect posts.-  : You wouldn't want people to think that inhabitants of this: group will put up with any kind of incorrect postings from3 pro-Compaq posters just because they are pro-Compaqs
 would you.   >42 > Then again GS160 is 5-35C and humidity 10-90%...  0 So it is but then most vendors have systems that1 allow different environmental ranges within theire product set.  1 The E4500 (about the same performance as a GS160)>, has an operating range of 5-40 C and 20-80 %. again an example of Kerry and Rob not having a! clue what they are talking about.   ' Nor are there huge numbers of WildFires>6 installed in datacenters world wide, the large systems2 are mostly GS60/8200's and GS140/8400's which have6 tighter requirements than the GS160/320. And these are, the systems that Kerry and Rob seem to think= have a less strict set of environmental requirements than theo Sun E10K's and E4500/E6500's.m     Regards  Andrew Harrisoni Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2000 09:32:41 -0500n, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist+ Message-ID: <NOv0EbZBE3a1@eisner.decus.org>a  V In article <00256954.003E832E.00@quegw01.btyp>, Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk writes:? > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza  >  >  > Bill G posted; > G > "Back in 1971-72 I was a trainee second shift computer operator on an4F > IBM 1401 at a place known as KAD in Germany (Anybody here know where > that is??). "c > @ > Yes, it's just to the left of France as you look at the map... >   G    Gee, and here I am still holding my map with north up so I can read s    the lettering.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 08:59:13 -0400s) From: "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com>.* Subject: RE: Sun Hardware problems persistB Message-ID: <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A61D8@and02.drc.com>   > -----Original Message-----& > From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk > Bill G posted; > G > "Back in 1971-72 I was a trainee second shift computer operator on an-F > IBM 1401 at a place known as KAD in Germany (Anybody here know where > that is??). "> > @ > Yes, it's just to the left of France as you look at the map... >   @ Over on your side of the pond maps get printed with south at the> top?  All the maps of Europe I've seen (with north at the top)4 have Germany oriented to the right (east) of France.     Eric Ebinger   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:14:01 +0100 B From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist* Message-ID: <39B8F429.C22AB0A7@uk.sun.com>  % Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:d  ? > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazan >t > Andrew posted; >hJ > "In fact the HP  V-Series has almost identical environemtal requirements4 > to the E10K 10-30C and similar relative humidity " > B > From HP website 20-30C and humidity 40-60% with no condensation. >b  ( Read the HP datacenter preparation guide   >h > Just to give CORRECT figures.e >m > Steve Spires > VMS System Manager > BT/Yellow PAgesf   -- Andrew Harrisonh Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:32:42 +0100cB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist* Message-ID: <39B8F88A.B8E2FF0D@uk.sun.com>  % Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:q  ? > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazae >o > Andrew posted; >aJ > "In fact the HP  V-Series has almost identical environemtal requirements4 > to the E10K 10-30C and similar relative humidity " >fB > From HP website 20-30C and humidity 40-60% with no condensation. >   > Well it depends on which HP the V-Class is 20-30 the N is 5-35= etc etc.. The point of your post if there was one is that youo8 appear to be in violent disagreement with Kerrys posting= his point after all was that according to him Sun's require aT5 more controlled environment than HP's, Compaq's IBM'sS6 etc when in fact the V-Class has a tighter temperature. requirement than Sun's or Compaqs for example.  I So why are you splitting hairs the point is Kerrys posting was completely B incorrect. You know it but seem to be entirely unable to be honest9 and post an article criticising him because that would ber: admitting that neither Kerry or Rob have a point when they9 suggest that Sun is asking people to run their systems ina* conditions that Compaq IBM and HP are not.  C I await your criticism of Kerrys and Robs posts which should followt% it will be interesting to see. :):):)e     Regardso Andrew Harrisont Enterprise IT Architectr   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:18:16 +0000 $ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist/ Message-ID: <00256954.00594BF0.00@quegw01.btyp>3  = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazao     Why?  G You are giving figures for specific machines, for which I am giving theaN specifications from the manufacturers websites pertinent to those machines. SoI these are the SPECIFIC ENVIRONMENTAL REQUIREMENTS for these machines. NotA  generic datacentre requirements.  O But, since you ask, the site preparation guide which I have sitting in front ofrM me now, which HP gave to me when installing the V-series machines here in the;N last couple of months, states that the temperature in the datacenter should be2 ideally kept between 20-25.5C and humidity 40-60%.  M If you are aware of any other documentation I should be looking at, online or B paper, let me know and I will gladly take the time to chase it up.   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow PagesR        J Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> on 08/09/2000 02:14:01 PMM    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)zJ From:      Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>, 8$            September 2000, 2:14 p.m.  ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persistn        % Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:O  ? > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street PlazaA >P > Andrew posted; >dJ > "In fact the HP  V-Series has almost identical environemtal requirements4 > to the E10K 10-30C and similar relative humidity " >iB > From HP website 20-30C and humidity 40-60% with no condensation. >n  ( Read the HP datacenter preparation guide   >i > Just to give CORRECT figures.  >c > Steve Spires > VMS System Manager > BT/Yellow PAges    -- Andrew Harrison, Enterprise IT Architecte   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:22:29 GMTn* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist+ Message-ID: <Ntsl9SCovmBK@eisner.decus.org>   o In article <39B8F88A.B8E2FF0D@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: ' > Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:5 > @ >> Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza >> >> Andrew posted;s >>K >> "In fact the HP  V-Series has almost identical environemtal requirements-5 >> to the E10K 10-30C and similar relative humidity "0 >>C >> From HP website 20-30C and humidity 40-60% with no condensation.e >> > @ > Well it depends on which HP the V-Class is 20-30 the N is 5-35? > etc etc.. The point of your post if there was one is that youp: > appear to be in violent disagreement with Kerrys posting? > his point after all was that according to him Sun's require a 7 > more controlled environment than HP's, Compaq's IBM'st8 > etc when in fact the V-Class has a tighter temperature0 > requirement than Sun's or Compaqs for example. > K > So why are you splitting hairs the point is Kerrys posting was completelyrD > incorrect. You know it but seem to be entirely unable to be honest; > and post an article criticising him because that would be < > admitting that neither Kerry or Rob have a point when they; > suggest that Sun is asking people to run their systems inm, > conditions that Compaq IBM and HP are not. > E > I await your criticism of Kerrys and Robs posts which should follown' > it will be interesting to see. :):):)a >     < 	Trot something specific out that I said that you are having2 	a problem with.  Something no older than a month.  $ 	Returning to the subject line . . .  ? 	You talk in such generalities and then focus on something that 9 	has little to do with the problem at hand.  The problem?Y7 	Sun has more than a perception problem regarding theirr< 	handling of crashing Sun Servers.  Sun (collectively) would> 	have us believe the problem is environmental.  Doesn't appear8 	that way at all.  Folks are still crashing.. including  	the following:F    E http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO49485,00.html a   K That [a fix] won't come a moment too soon for IQ4hire Inc., a Chicago-basedtM start-up that purchased a Sun Enterprise 420R and a Sun Enterprise 220 serverrN in May. Since then, the 420R has crashed seven times at the dot-com, while the@ 220R crashed for the first time last week, said CIO Eric Durst.    L "Sun came out at least four times on the 420. They talked about the heating,N the air conditioning, the static electricity. . . . They replaced hardware andO generally changed everything but the frame," Durst said. "They didn't appear tol know how to fix it." ;    E 	It isn't environmentals is it?  Gartner doesn't think so and say as s0 	much.  From the original ComputerWorld article:  N Gartner Group's recommendations for Sun users who encounter  the chip problem:   8  o Challenge Sun's claims of site environmental factors:8    While poor operating conditions may contribute to the7    problem, a majority of the reliability issues aren'tg    environmental in nature.j     / 	It isn't about environmentals and you know it.   H 	But the environmental wiggle strategy is "old news" as our friend Rick H 	Epps pointed out in January 1999 they tried the environmental route andB 	they were STILL having problems.  Of course within that timeframe6 	Sun then gagged him and others at Northern Arizona U.  .  http://www.tinaa.com/lists/e10k/msg00008.html   L Here at Northern Arizona University, we have had an E10K for one year and in> that year our E10K has been crashing weekly. SUN has replaced:     - Multiple System Boardse  - Multiple CPUS  - Multiple SIMMS N  - Sun even replaced the entire E10k with a second one at 6 months.   Which it!    also suffering weekly crashes.r#  - SUN had their Engineers on site.bJ  - We increased humidity to 60%                <<<<--- Spin Here ... and -A    Computer room environmental were tested.    <<<<--- Spin Here '      	Spin on Andy!   				Roba      ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:11:55 GMTt" From: Pteppic <pchill@my-deja.com>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist) Message-ID: <8pavj8$rh0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  / In article <00256954.00421D26.00@quegw01.btyp>, '   Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:f? > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza  >/ > Andrew posted; >r= > "In fact the HP  V-Series has almost identical environemtalh requirements4 > to the E10K 10-30C and similar relative humidity "  * Awwww, leave Andrew alone..  He funny.....  > He might even be right. It's probably all down to environment.> Maybe the next E10K technical specs will have addendums to the& usual temperature, humidity stuff.....   Maybe include such things as: D Must be enclosed in a faraday cage (possibly even specify what color the mesh gets painted).g  @ Must only be operated during correct phase of the moon and after? suitable preparation of it's surroundings (sprinkle holy water,a> sacrifice the odd chiken, light firecrackers to scare off evil ghosts).  A Computer rooms should be at least 40 feet underground and encasedG> in a minimum of 4" lead (might help avoid stray cosmic stuff).  @ Not to be operated within 2 miles of any source of rfi (incluing	 itself)..i  * ------------------------------------------  = Jokes could go on forever but I think people would get bored.u  @ All that happened was that Sun were let down by some supplier orB other on a small number of components which didn't meet usual spec! (could have happened to anybody).e  A The only reason they deserve scorn is the way they handled it ands) they probably realise that was a mistake.   A Can't we leave this one alone now and try to figure out somethingt@ else to wind up Andrew about (he's beginning to get repetitive).      & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.y   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:07:29 +0100mB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist) Message-ID: <39B900B1.BF49EFA@uk.sun.com>H   Nigel Arnot wrote:   > Andrew Harrison wrote$ > >p > > "Main, Kerry" wrote: > >5 > > > Andrew ..q > > >bJ > > > Based on all of the notes you have presented here, are Sun technicalJ > > > documents being updated to reflect Suns requrements for much tighterR > > > environmental controls than other vendors? IBM, HP, Compaq, DG do not appearQ > > > to be having these issues, so it appears their systems can operate reliably'J > > > at higher (what some would consider normal) datacenter temperatures. > > >y > > > Wow .. > > >  > >m? > > I suppose it is unsurprising that you could not be botheredsA > > to verify your statments about the environmental requirements-= > > for HP and IBM boxes before you made your posting but youoL > > should have at least verified that your own enviromental recommendationsG > > are less stringent than Sun's. But then this is pretty much par for. > > to course isn't it.w > >rD > > Just as an example the GS140 environmental requirements are moreG > > stringent than the requirments for a Sun E10K, 15-28C as opposed tosL > > 5-30C for the E10K. Incedentally this info is on your web page and isn't > > exactly hard to find.s >e3 > OK, this is half the answer I've twice asked for.w >e% > The other requires a simple yes/no.  >1K > Are you prepared to state that all (or even the majority) of the problemsYJ > that customers are experiencing with E10Ks are caused by those customersC > running them in an environment colder than 5C or hotter than 30C?< >5  < Well as someone has pointed out the operating temperature is; actually  10-30 for the E10K typo on my part. Pity the samee; person appears to lack what ever it takes to correct KerrysIB and Robs totally incorrect statements. And no I am not prepared to> say that temperature is the issue that has caused the majority of failures.  < The majority of failures have been caused by static which is8 caused (or made worse by) temperature/relative humidity.  = However static is not only caused by temperature/humidity itsa; also made worse by having the wrong flooring, furniture etcm in a datacenter.  > The HP site prep guide for example shows that static dischargeA from a person walking on a carpeted floor in a datacenter is 2-3xa8 that of a person walking on a more appropriate flooring.  = But the same table also shows that the strength of the staticHA discharge increases in both cases as the relative humidity drops.    >t> > If so you have a lot of incompetent customers. 30C is *hot*! >V  A So it is but as I said it may not be the main cause. 30C with thes= right furniture, right carpets and a 50% relative humidity is ; better than 21C with 20% relative humidity carpet tiles andp plastic chairs.    regardsK Andrew Harrisoni Enterprise IT Architecte   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:59:29 +0100C  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persistH Message-ID: <OF39929363.443F3089-ON80256954.005199C7@qedi.quintiles.com>  E Just to add to the confusion, I've not got a copy of the 8400 Owner'stJ Manual knocking around my desk, but the one for the AlphaServer 1000A says :n  K "Table 2-1 lists the environmental conditions in which the system unit bestR	 operates. J "Temperature range  Room temperature between 10 degrees C and 40 degrees C! (50 degrees F and 104 degrees F). H "Relative humidity  between 10% and 90% (20% to 80% with removable media	 options).nJ "Air circulation  Allow a minimum clearance of 8cm (3 inches) on all sidesH of the system unit to allow sufficient air circulation.  Fans inside theI system unit circulate the air to prevent excessive heat, which can damage- the system components."e  C So you see, for a system of not much smaller size than an E450, thew! requirements are quite wide......4   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:50:55 +00000$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist/ Message-ID: <00256954.005C49AB.00@quegw01.btyp>   = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazas    / Splitting hairs? Pot, kettle and black again...   P The point of my post, if in fact there was one, is to point out that the figures you gave were incorrect.  N And yet again, with the response below, you seem to be unsure of what you have said in previous posts.w   So;o  K >> "In fact the HP  V-Series has almost identical environemtal requirements05 >> to the E10K 10-30C and similar relative humidity "  >>C >> From HP website 20-30C and humidity 40-60% with no condensation.Z >> >i? >Well it depends on which HP the V-Class is 20-30 the N is 5-35>
 >etc etc..  P So, in your first posting you tell us that (eg) the temp range is 10-30C for theO V-class, I correct you, then you say that it depends, and return to the V-classnO with the figures I gave. In another response, you told me to take a look at HPsAN data preparation guide, which I did, and which gives different recommendationsM altogether (20-25.5C temp range, which I suppose is what you would expect, asp. this narrow range probably covers all brands).  N I guess what I'm trying to say is there is no consistency in what you post, atM least in this instance. I'm not trying to take sides in any arguments. If yourM wish, I'll go back and have a look at Kerry and Rob's postings and see what I- find there.e  N Again, all I was doing was giving the figures as supplied by the manufacturersK to make sure that the people could form their own opinions based on CORRECTa DATA.c          J Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> on 08/09/2000 02:32:42 PMe    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)gJ From:      Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>, 8$            September 2000, 2:32 p.m.  ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist         % Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:   ? > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street PlazaU >o > Andrew posted; >pJ > "In fact the HP  V-Series has almost identical environemtal requirements4 > to the E10K 10-30C and similar relative humidity " >.B > From HP website 20-30C and humidity 40-60% with no condensation. >   > Well it depends on which HP the V-Class is 20-30 the N is 5-35= etc etc.. The point of your post if there was one is that youC8 appear to be in violent disagreement with Kerrys posting= his point after all was that according to him Sun's require aH5 more controlled environment than HP's, Compaq's IBM'sR6 etc when in fact the V-Class has a tighter temperature. requirement than Sun's or Compaqs for example.  I So why are you splitting hairs the point is Kerrys posting was completely B incorrect. You know it but seem to be entirely unable to be honest9 and post an article criticising him because that would ber: admitting that neither Kerry or Rob have a point when they9 suggest that Sun is asking people to run their systems in * conditions that Compaq IBM and HP are not.  C I await your criticism of Kerrys and Robs posts which should followe% it will be interesting to see. :):):)      Regardsm Andrew Harrisoni Enterprise IT Architects   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 17:05:37 GMTd4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist< Message-ID: <B%8u5.75800$_s1.896913@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  G "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote in + message news:39B900B1.BF49EFA@uk.sun.com...'   <snip> > > > The majority of failures have been caused by static which is: > caused (or made worse by) temperature/relative humidity. >h  I Can't really argue with that... back in the 70's I ran a PDP 11/50 systemsJ that had a 64K Intel add-in memory board. Every once in a while the systemF would crash and burn directly after a snapping noise emanated from theE cabinetry. Inspection of the system revealed a conspicuous absence of K snapping turtles or customer engineers with those little metal clickers, sos% the problem was attributed to static.t  G The system was housed in an environmentally correct data center, and nopI amount of futzing with the temperature and relative humidity resolved the0E problem. But once the 11/50 was swapped out for an 11/70, the problemS	 vanished.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 17:11:08 +0100cB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist* Message-ID: <39B90F9C.A045191C@uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote:  q > In article <39B8F88A.B8E2FF0D@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: ) > > Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:u > >nB > >> Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza > >> > >> Andrew posted;  > >>M > >> "In fact the HP  V-Series has almost identical environemtal requirementse7 > >> to the E10K 10-30C and similar relative humidity "l > >>E > >> From HP website 20-30C and humidity 40-60% with no condensation.  > >> > >oB > > Well it depends on which HP the V-Class is 20-30 the N is 5-35A > > etc etc.. The point of your post if there was one is that youn< > > appear to be in violent disagreement with Kerrys postingA > > his point after all was that according to him Sun's require a 9 > > more controlled environment than HP's, Compaq's IBM'sY: > > etc when in fact the V-Class has a tighter temperature2 > > requirement than Sun's or Compaqs for example. > >2M > > So why are you splitting hairs the point is Kerrys posting was completelysF > > incorrect. You know it but seem to be entirely unable to be honest= > > and post an article criticising him because that would bee> > > admitting that neither Kerry or Rob have a point when they= > > suggest that Sun is asking people to run their systems in0. > > conditions that Compaq IBM and HP are not. > > G > > I await your criticism of Kerrys and Robs posts which should followg) > > it will be interesting to see. :):):)n > >  >TE >         Trot something specific out that I said that you are having-; >         a problem with.  Something no older than a month.  >n- >         Returning to the subject line . . .u >cH >         You talk in such generalities and then focus on something thatB >         has little to do with the problem at hand.  The problem?@ >         Sun has more than a perception problem regarding theirE >         handling of crashing Sun Servers.  Sun (collectively) would G >         have us believe the problem is environmental.  Doesn't appearh@ >         that way at all.  Folks are still crashing.. including >         the following: >a  ? Well for a start Rob you claimed that Sun are recommending that4@ Sun's are kept in an environment which has tighter environmental< controls than the ones required for other vendors platforms.  > This is untrue Sun is not recommending anything that the other5 vendors (Compaq GS140) HP (V-Class environmentals andl) general datacenter prep guide) recommend.   @ You are also claiming that fixing the environment does not work,@ when in fact the only example posted in the origional article of? a datacenter manager who had taken Sun's advice was a possitiveh? one he said that lowering the machine room temperature by 10-15u  degrees had stopped the outages.  7 You keep posting responses which include examples wheree; people have been told by Sun to reduce temperature etc, buta8 none of them appear to have taken the advice, except the8 one example which you studiously ignore in the origional= article. I guess you did not want to hear that the datacentero; manager had fixed the problem by adjusting the environment.:  : You then po-pooed the idea that a patch proposed by Sun to7 impliment memory scrubbing for the e-cache, I guess you : had no idea what memory scrubbing is and that many systems# use it for things like main memory.n  ? Thats for starters so come on these are specific you made thesep> claims, they are just as incorrect as all your previous FUD on@ eBay and just as incorrect as the Spiralog/Galaxy/21264/WildFire@ predictions that you also made. How do you expect me to take you8 seriously when you have enven started pre-announcing the+ "capabilities" of Marvel on this newsgroup.c   Regardsy Andrew Harrison4 Enterprise IT Architect[   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 17:14:04 +0100rB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist* Message-ID: <39B9104C.9245292E@uk.sun.com>  % Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:,  ? > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazae >0 > Why? >eI > You are giving figures for specific machines, for which I am giving thehP > specifications from the manufacturers websites pertinent to those machines. SoK > these are the SPECIFIC ENVIRONMENTAL REQUIREMENTS for these machines. Nots" > generic datacentre requirements. >a  > Steve Kerry was wrong you know it and you are just nit picking= admit it he was wrong, Rob was wrong Sun's don't require more < specifically more stringent environments than HP's IBM's and Compaqs.  : Flame him for being wrong or stop arguing you cant have it  
 both ways.   Regards  Andrew Harrisons Enterprise IT Architectl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:31:38 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>"* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist, Message-ID: <39B92276.8BBAE689@videotron.ca>  ? > "Incedentally anyone operating a  GS140 in a datacenter thatsf8 > at 40C is 12C outside its operating temperature range.  M Then again it depends on the datacentre's design. If cold air is forced underaK the floor, and there're a big vent under the machine, and the machine sucksbK its air from the floor, then it is constantly getting cold air, even thoughl1 the ambiant air in the room may be at 40 degrees.d  K I guess the question could be asked: how long can each type of machine fromeJ manufacturers widthstand being outside of recommended temperature ranges ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 23:12:02 -0400r* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>! Subject: Re: Sun's Bitter Harvest - Message-ID: <39B85902.6CAC5FFF@tsoft-inc.com>r   Paul Repacholi wrote:M > . > David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: > S > > salesmen.  Meanwhile (aside from RA81 disks, and a few other problems that WERE<O > > HANDLED OPENLY BY DEC) the VMS users just keep on running, and running, and P > > running.  No matter how hard he tries, I doubt the energizer bunny will ever3 > > catch up with them.  Maybe too boring for some.c > C > MAny years ago I currsed as a LK201 had its last Coke... You know > > what that does to 'em. So rang FS, as it was on maintainace. >  > "What's wrong with it?"l > "Coke"! > "Do you expect us to fix that!"0 > "You say office environment."d8 > "You be there in 20 min so we can drop off a new one?"  L Thanks.  I'm not sure how many others did, but ROTFLMAO sure applies to this one.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2000 06:12:13 -0400G/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) ! Subject: Re: Sun's Bitter Harvestd* Message-ID: <8pae1t$6kv$1@lisa.gemair.com>  C In article <OFED6577D1.5F271236-ON88256954.00057003@HEALTHNET.COM>,o%  <Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com> wrote:u >g >??? >uL >Headaches are a common symptom of caffeine withdrawal symptoms (been there,. >done that). Get this man a triple espresso!!! >aJ >I once used to average between 8 and 15 cups of coffee a day, and severalL >cokes after work. After collapsing one day with a caffeine overdose, I wentD                                                             ^^^^^^^^A Careful there.  It _is_ possible to overdose on caffeine and DIE..  ? I saw an article on this recently which I think I could find if = you're interested.  There was a student who swallowed a whole2? bottle of caffeine tablets on a dare and died.  It causes heartu: irrhthmias (sp??) in high doses.  I think this guy had the2 equivalent of 270 cups of coffee in under an hour.  I >cold turkey, switched to decaf coke and didn't touch coffee for nearly a L >year. I know the symptoms of caffeine a little better than I'd like to..... >a >Shane >n >l >  >  >uA >Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> on 09/07/2000 05:38:13 PM  >  >To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >cc: >r# >Subject:  Re: Sun's Bitter Harvest  >  >oI >In article <39B7CC26.CE3F942D@bbc.co.uk>, tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk wrote:  > J >>I know someone who gave up coke after seeing what it  did to the insides >>of an Lk401:-) > K >All foods are acidic or basic.  -That- isn't what gets -me-.  I don't care  >for >the headaches after caffine.e >--n< >Howard S Shubs      hshubs@mindspring.com    hshubs@bix.com@ >The Denim Adept     Which is better, Maryann or pickled Ginger?? >SPAM: uce@ftc.gov   postmaster@[127.0.0.1]   abuse@[127.0.0.1]u >. >t >e >h >i >r >y   -Jordan Hendersono jordan@greenapple.comr   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:43:05 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>! Subject: Re: Sun's Bitter Harvest ( Message-ID: <8pb11o$iqg$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  A All these cleaning effects are caused by posphoric acid (H3PO4)..   
 Hans Vlems  ' John Santos heeft geschreven in bericht - <1000907235150.28573C-100000@Ives.egh.com>... , >On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Terry C. Shannon wrote: >i >>= >> "David B Sneddon" <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> wrote in messagea( >> news:39B82E13.5D8459D4@bigpond.com... >> >> >E >> > As a young lad (many moons ago) we used to use Coke to clean oldaD >> > coins we found around the yard...  the stuff you get today just >> > doesn't do the same job.m >>D >> Venturing even further off the topic, I've known plumbers (myself	 included,cK >> years ago) who used Coca Cola to free up rusted pipe threads. And if yousL >> want to dissolve one of those baby teeth you've been saving for all theseL >> years, just drop it in a glass of Coke. Twenty-four hours later the tooth >> will be history.e >tF >My Dad used to claim that one time he worked in a garage, people usedD >to come in with electrical problems with their cars, he would put aD >dime in the coke machine (or maybe a nickel), buy a coke, pour someE >the battery terminals to clean them, drink the rest, and charge themn
 >a buck... >o >--p >John Santos >Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc.  >781-861-0670 ext 539  >t   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 17:27:20 GMTo* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)! Subject: Re: Sun's Bitter Harvest + Message-ID: <DlfUrEYSXn1n@eisner.decus.org>i  Y In article <1000907234808.28573B-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:r# > On 7 Sep 2000, Marty Kuhrt wrote:cB >> About once yearly I'll take apart my LK401 keyboard and wash itA >> in the kitchen sink to get the grunge off the keyboard.  Makesr, >> the non-believers raise their eyebrows.   >> q  >> NB: "What are you doing!?!"   >> Me: "Cleaning my keyboard"- >> NB: "Won't that ruin it?"> >> Me: "It would ruin _your_ keyboard if you did this.  Unlike? >>      _your_ hardware vendor, DEC knows how to build things."u >> NB: Grunt > B > Do you use soap or detergent, or just plain water?  Hot or cold?  " A little dish soap and warm water.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:59:56 GMT1 From: teroconnor@my-deja.com$ Subject: TT_ACCPORNAM for IP address) Message-ID: <8parcd$m59$1@nnrp1.deja.com>t  F We use PORT=F$GETDVI("TT:","TT_ACCPORNAM") to allocate a local printerC queue to users logging on from different terminals. This works fine  whenF users are using LAT connectivity - but now we are moving over to TCPIPF the symbol returns a blank string. Is there any other lexical function
 I can use?F As we use DHCP to allocate IP addresses a particular PC client may not  always have the same IP address.   Regards, Ter-    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.r   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:27:15 -0400% From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian> ( Subject: Re: TT_ACCPORNAM for IP address$ Message-ID: <39b904f2$1@news.si.com>  G >We use PORT=F$GETDVI("TT:","TT_ACCPORNAM") to allocate a local printertD >queue to users logging on from different terminals. This works fine >when G >users are using LAT connectivity - but now we are moving over to TCPIP G >the symbol returns a blank string. Is there any other lexical functions >I can use?i  H Since we, too, have printers scattered hither and yon, we addressed thisF problem by utilizing the VMSMAIL_PROFILE setting for QUEUE.  I wrote aL program, called SYSPRINT, that runs at login time and reads the value storedL in the VMSmail Profile, setting a job logical name SYS$PRINT to point to it. Here's HELP from the program:l   SYSPRINT    J     Allows a person to  establish  a  default  print  queue  and  have  itJ     remembered  each  time  a  person logs in.  The default print queue isJ     stored in the VMS Mail  Profile,  so  this  command  will  affect  theJ     default  queue for all PRINT commands enterd at the DCL prompt and all5     PRINT commands entered while in the MAIL program.s       Format:n           SYSPRINT [option]s    #   Additional information available:   G   Parameters DEFINE     EXIT       HELP       QUIT       RESET      SETl   SHOW       Examplesk  B To define the default print queue to another value, people can use   $ sysprint define new-queuei  L causing their VMSmail Profile and the job logical SYS$PRINT to be changed to point to NEW-QUEUE.s   --  A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com.A Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.comA= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventr< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 08:52:41 +0200 8 From: Wolfgang Angenendt <angenendt@mpi-muelheim.mpg.de> Subject: UCX 4.1 and BIND83 Message-ID: <39B88CB9.AA6FBCE4@mpi-muelheim.mpg.de>t  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  & --Boundary_(ID_DMj4jUFnSqdW9l3qIUeMzg)* Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii+ Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE   5 On my Alpha with OpenVMS V6.1 and UCX 4.1 the command    $ UCX SHOW HOSTo   shows the error message:A %UCX-W-BIND_NOSERVNAM, Server with address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is not 
 resonding.  3 But the UCX$NSLOOKUP shows all hosts in our domain.nD Another OpenVMS machine with V7.2 and TCPIP V5 also shows all hosts!  4 Our BIND server is an Tru64 Unix machine with bind8!: Last week the BIND server had bind4 and everything was ok.   Does anyone know this?   Regards, Wolfgango            & --Boundary_(ID_DMj4jUFnSqdW9l3qIUeMzg)@ Content-type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name=angenendt.vcf0 Content-description: Card for Wolfgang Angenendt7 Content-disposition: attachment; filename=angenendt.vcft+ Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLEa   begin:vcard=20 n:Angenendt;Wolfgang tel;fax:(0208) 306 2981  tel;work:(0208) 306 2132 x-mozilla-html:FALSE" url:http://www.mpi-muelheim.mpg.de; org:Max-Planck-Institut f=FCr Kohlenforschung;Rechenzentrum-; adr:;;Kaiser-Wilhelm-Platz 1;46466 M=FClheim an der Ruhr;;;C version:2.1e, email;internet:angenendt@mpi-muelheim.mpg.de x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Angenendt, Wolfgang	 end:vcard8    ( --Boundary_(ID_DMj4jUFnSqdW9l3qIUeMzg)--   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2000 09:25:18 GMTg1 From: "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@radiolinja.fi>  Subject: Re: UCX 4.1 and BIND82 Message-ID: <01c01976$e4b55be0$bb0ba8c0@rlhkikker>  H This is a known "feature" of UCX 4.x. The reason is the way UCX SHO HOSTJ makes zone lookup. To fix this upgrade to TCPIP 5.0A (that won't of courseI work with VMS 6.1) or enable zone name quaries on the BIND server. But asl$ you found out the nslookup works OK.   Kari Keronen  C Wolfgang Angenendt <angenendt@mpi-muelheim.mpg.de> wrote in articlet* <39B88CB9.AA6FBCE4@mpi-muelheim.mpg.de>...5 On my Alpha with OpenVMS V6.1 and UCX 4.1 the commandt   $ UCX SHOW HOSTm   shows the error message:A %UCX-W-BIND_NOSERVNAM, Server with address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is note
 resonding.  3 But the UCX$NSLOOKUP shows all hosts in our domain.1D Another OpenVMS machine with V7.2 and TCPIP V5 also shows all hosts!  4 Our BIND server is an Tru64 Unix machine with bind8!: Last week the BIND server had bind4 and everything was ok.   Does anyone know this?   Regards, Wolfgangb            
 ----------   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2000 13:57:55 GMTe0 From: "Dale A. Dellutri" <ddellutr@enteract.com>Y Subject: Re: visual interpretation of algorithms. -> Sound interpretation of algorythmes.o- Message-ID: <8par93$1pv9$1@news.enteract.com>   3 On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 01:22:13 +0300, in comp.os.vms,d  Alt <alt@card.kyiv.net> wrote:-; > When I switched speaker to power wires of my old computert/ > (8080 2MHz 4Kb ROM, 36KB RAM, 12KB video RAM)l > I could HEAR how it works.# > I gave me very useful experience.d  D In the late 1960's and early 70's, the University of Chicago had theC MANIAC III.  This machine had a speaker which received a pulse each E time a Jump instruction was executed.  You could tell if your programp: was working (once you got it finalized) by how it sounded.  > Also, Easley Blackwood (famous pianist and composer) used some: specialized software on the machine to demonstrate musical? principles (for example, different number of notes per octave).2   Everything old is new again?  & [Newsgroup and followup lists reduced]   --  & Dale Dellutri -- ddellutr@enteract.com   ------------------------------  ! Date: Fri, 08 Sep 00 11:41:20 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Y Subject: Re: visual interpretation of algorithms. -> Sound interpretation of algorythmes.g+ Message-ID: <8pau48$k8o$3@bob.news.rcn.net>o  - In article <8par93$1pv9$1@news.enteract.com>,w4    "Dale A. Dellutri" <ddellutr@enteract.com> wrote:4 >On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 01:22:13 +0300, in comp.os.vms,  > Alt <alt@card.kyiv.net> wrote:< >> When I switched speaker to power wires of my old computer0 >> (8080 2MHz 4Kb ROM, 36KB RAM, 12KB video RAM) >> I could HEAR how it works.s$ >> I gave me very useful experience. >kE >In the late 1960's and early 70's, the University of Chicago had thei
 >MANIAC III.     Do they still have it?    8 > This machine had a speaker which received a pulse eachF >time a Jump instruction was executed.  You could tell if your program; >was working (once you got it finalized) by how it sounded.n  9 With just jumps?  Now, I'm trying to think about the coder@ I've written...PUSHJ/POPJ pairs...maybe I could hear a mismatch.< And then there's all of those SKIPs and then there's all the> code that the monitor did for me.  Debugging would be a little> difficult under timesharing.  I bet it would be neat to do it.   >s? >Also, Easley Blackwood (famous pianist and composer) used somer; >specialized software on the machine to demonstrate musicala@ >principles (for example, different number of notes per octave). >h >Everything old is new again?h  = I wish.  It seems like a little bit of info is lost with each  round.   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.v   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 09:56:15 +0100e2 From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: VMS jobs in the UKe6 Message-ID: <39B8A9AF.47F5909B@BlueBubble.demon.co.uk>  " "mouse (not my real name!)" wrote:  ? > Where is the best place to look for UK based jobs using VMS??  > Preferably in the NorthI >e  - Well, you could try http://www.jobserve.co.uk   0 However, I haven't seen many jobs advertised for% Inverness/Dingwall/Ullapool for ages.t  D You might just have to settle for something a bit further south like Aberdeen/Edinburgh/Glasgow. A Maybe Alan Greig might have something open;  he's in Dunfermline.i  	 Roy Omondy Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:26:23 GMTs& From: A.Greig@viirgin.net (Alan Greig) Subject: Re: VMS jobs in the UK 1 Message-ID: <39b8f4f5.173078183@news.newsguy.com>t  - On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 09:56:15 +0100, Roy Omond ) <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.demon.co.uk> wrote:n  # >"mouse (not my real name!)" wrote:o >h@ >> Where is the best place to look for UK based jobs using VMS?? >> Preferably in the North >> >-. >Well, you could try http://www.jobserve.co.uk > 1 >However, I haven't seen many jobs advertised for.& >Inverness/Dingwall/Ullapool for ages. >sE >You might just have to settle for something a bit further south likel >Aberdeen/Edinburgh/Glasgow.B >Maybe Alan Greig might have something open;  he's in Dunfermline.  F Unfortunately we don't have any VMS vacancies but we will shortly haveA an NT support position available where VMS knowledge is always ane
 advantage.  3 However I'd  suggest giving Computer Futures a callQA (www.compfutures.co.uk) as they seem to understand the VMS markettF place and will tend to know of positions not posted on their web site.@ Typically they tend to have a few VMS contract positions open in< Scotland at any particular time - or did last time I looked.    
 >Roy Omond >Blue Bubble Ltd.n >r >o >r >n   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 08:57:25 +0200-% From: "P.Lj" <plj@byron.ext.telia.se>r Subject: Re: VMS not starting 2 Message-ID: <39B88DD5.B893E058@byron.ext.telia.se>  A Yeah, but he doesn't mention any production cluster here, sound's9 more like the home-VAX  	 >>> ^P.Ljo   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:  
 > Rich wrote:  > >C" > > You could also do a @netconfig0 > > to reconfigure decnet with it's new nodename >rB > Ah - ah - ah! There was thread here a while back in which it wasF > mentioned that NETCONFIG purges some portions of the DECnet database2 > that are best left alone on a production system. >l > Serious caveats here!r >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systemsc > http://www.djesys.com/ >a< > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s > H > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. >aB > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. >BH > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.>   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:40:13 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: VMS not startingj( Message-ID: <8pb0sd$i6b$1@news.IAEhv.nl>   Hoff,.  I you wrote "system bootstrap will hang on certain queue manager commands";c curious that# I am, could you elaborate on that ? % Always willing to learn new tricks...   L BTW, considering the quality of the original post I doubt that there will be much fancy DCL) coding in his SYSTARTUP_V{5|MS}.COM.. ;-)   
 Hans Vlems    ( Hoff Hoffman heeft geschreven in bericht- <8p865k$lhb$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>...f >nF >In article <8p637d$5dh$1@news.IAEhv.nl>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:t >..s9 >:Just changing the value of SCSNODE wouldn't affect VMS.T > B >  It can.  In certain OpenVMS releases, the system bootstrap willB >  hang on certain queue manager commands that can be found in the >  system startup. >R1 >:A mismatch would fail STARTNET.COM to complete.-# >:That shoud not affect VMS either.  >0C >  If the SYSTARTUP_VMS fails hard, it can affect the startup -- itnC >  is uncommon, but I have seen a severe problems (and, um, unusualaG >  or non-recommended DCL coding practices) in SYSTARTUP_VMS completely./ >  terminate the entire system startup process.a >hF >:The only way to figure out what is wrong is to boot into SYSBOOT andB >:set STARTUP_P1 to "MIN" and check the contents of MODPARAMS.DAT. >gC >  That's one approach, but I'd probably initially mess around justrG >  with the system parameters via SYSGEN and then work on MODPARAMS.DAT F >  once I got the system back upright -- you can and should update andD >  use MODPARAMS.DAT, but that can be a little tricky in the minimalE >  bootstrap environment invoked by STARTUP_P1 "MIN", as you can need B >  to directly or indirectly install various images to get variousE >  common commands working.  (This is not to say you can't get there,eH >  it's just probably easier to mung SCSNODE back to its original value,E >  reboot, fix MODPARAMS.DAT and then follow the details in the FAQ.)f >n+ > --------------------------- pure personali# opinion ---------------------------.0 >   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >/   ------------------------------  , Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:12:56 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> Subject: Re: VMS not startingcJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009081800220.19062-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  % On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Hans Vlems wrote:A   +Two things: +  +1)s8 +Just changing the value of SCSNODE wouldn't affect VMS. +It would affect DECnet, e    Will hardly disagree -:)h  =  SCSNODE is the cluster node name, and a VMS system node nameh+ (if the latest means anything...) themself.:<  Check SYS$NODE (logname) and the values of f$getsyi(): the   same are available for programs.=  If you will b.ex. run to "hm... the name is in use..." then -7 having only non-shared (and /INCLUDED to specific node)n0 licenses change the node name and reboot -;) [1]  C +[...] because it verifies [...] SCSNODE against the executor name.i  B  Yes, verifies: decnet own (executor) name with the non-decnet-own (scsnode) names !c [...]i  Agree with rest -:)   [...]3" +That shoud not affect VMS either.  8  Except the fact, that the system name is differrent -:]    Regards - Gotfryd? [1] especially funny, if DECWINDOWS will start but disallow you.0  to login to OPA0: (you must crash the system !)9   Of course - cluster (even if one-node) must be enabled.u -- eE ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEo. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:00:51 -0700  From: "rc" <cadruvi@pacbell.net>1 Subject: Re: Why couldn't linux read a vms drive?t. Message-ID: <F38u5.8$1P.7276@news.pacbell.net>  K I didn't see the original post on this one, so please forgive any ignorance H on my part in terms of context.  However, it seems from the subject line@ that the question is about Linux being able to understand ODS-2.H I am also NOT a Linux expert.  I am , however, somewhat of a VMS expert.A I have as much VMS internals expertise as you claim to have total: programmingrB expertise (Actually, I started with VMS in 1977 - pre-release V1.0 field test).  L I have code that fully takes apart the entire ODS-2 filesystem that has been runningeF since VMS V3.7.  It has ALWAYS worked on the structures since then andG still works on V7.3 field test.  When ODS-5 came out, I easily made thes changesiC for it just by looking at the data structures in LIB.REQ or LIB.MLBe depending onK whether you feel more comfortable with MACRO and/or BLISS (I prefer BLISS).a  E I know Larry enough to know that he is also a VMS expert with similary credentials.L There are also numerous other people out there with wimilar experience.  Mik Jordan,.L for example, figured out and got a LAVC cluster implementation working for aJ customer of his before DEC did LAVC.  He did NOT have all the SCS sources, but he figured it out.  C I have written many VMS third part products that play around in theR internals ofK VMS and do things that require a lot of internals knowledge.  I do refer to" sourceJ listings (which are available) and have always been able to figure out the
 stuff thatG is NOT in the source listings enough to get my software to work withoutr needingoG DEC (Compaq) non-disclosures.  I test it thoroughly and do field tests.a Once in awhileG DEC/Compaq makes changes that cause problems.  I figure it out.  I havey	 never NOTs been able to figure it out.   K Your response to Larry seems to show a lack of your capabilities or elludes  to fearsK you have about being able to figure stuff out, more than to the ability forl
 other expertsb to figure stuff out.     Just my opinion,  Rick...s    . "Beyonder" <beyonder@vrx.net> wrote in message! news:39A5E333.C5A6A292@vrx.net...c > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >tA > > I am confused as to why you value your "sight unseen" guesses F > > higher than the opinions of those people who have seen the source,C > > have seen the books, have seen the I&DS and have seen the roughnA > > format description passed out at DECUS symposia 10 years ago.e > > E > > If you worked with the available materials and had something thatgB > > was almost working I think you might get online help (and more > > respect from the group). > G > Simple logic. A few "excerpts" from the source listings can in no wayi substitute forE > the entire listings. Depending on how the code was written. Modulesa outside theiL > listings you are reading in the books can have a profound effect on things you arer1 > attempting to do, depending on what it is, etc.  > L > I have been programming various computer languages since 1976, that's over 24 years ofCK > experience, and over 10 years of that (contiguous) is DEC Vax experience. H > I have done programming in Assembler (Assembly, whatever you prefer to call it) on  > the vax as well. >XD > By no means am I an expert, and I've long forgotten most of my vax
 knowledge.I > But I know being given a piece of the source listings never substitutesf
 for the whole  > thing. >iJ > Say you have one of these IDS books or internals or some such. Ok, fine,	 you build C > some sort of program or interface or whatever, maybe your own I/O. routines. Sure, it'dI > take a while. But then, it doesn't work, or some unforseen factors make  your program@ > operate in a way it shouldn't. or some other thing. what then? >aK > You're only seeing a portion of what is going on. To really understand an 	 OS at the-E > core and see what's happening at any given time you need the entiref picture.F > otherwise. An OS is live, it's real-time, it's dynamic. All sorts of
 things are > happening all the time.p >eL > I think it foolish to consider you have an understanding of it without the wholeIL > picture. But that's just me. Remember, I've seen none of these references,	 so I haveN, > NO idea what the hell I'm talking about... >.H > I do have the internals I & II courseware now, but again, it's not the whole picture. >  > B. >e >x   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:35:18 GMTs= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)5* Subject: Why I hate C on VMS, reason #93210 Message-ID: <009EFD11.53C63516@SendSpamHere.ORG>  3 Consider the following simple C program (BBLINT.C):y   #include <ssdef.h> #include <starlet.h> #define SYS$DCLEXH sys$dclexhd   #include <stdio.h>   typedef struct desblke   {a     int *flink;n     void (*exhadr)();t     char argcnt,__filler[3];     int *cndadr;   } DESBLK;m   DESBLK exh;n int final_status;n   void exit_handler()O   {RE     printf("Accrued belly button lint has achieved critical mass\n");8   }e   main()   {0     exh.argcnt = 1;l     exh.cndadr = &final_status;i     exh.exhadr = &exit_handler;      return SYS$DCLEXH(&exh);   }-    ! Now, compile it, link it, run it:F   $ CC BBLINTu
 $ LINK BBLINT: $ RUN BBLINT4 Accrued belly button lint has achieved critical mass    Now, link it with the following:  , $ LINK BBLINT,SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:IMGDEF.STB   and run it:-   $ RUN BBLINT4 %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=04, C  virtual address=0000000000000014, PC=FFFFFFFF8626F130, PS=0000001Bs/ %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows J   image    module    routine             line      rel PC           abs PCO                                             0 FFFFFFFF8626F130 FFFFFFFF8626F130tO                                             0 FFFFFFFF805F2138 FFFFFFFF805F2138 O                                             0 FFFFFFFF805F2184 FFFFFFFF805F2184eO  EXH  EXH  __main                           0 0000000000000084 0000000000020084lO                                             0 FFFFFFFF8626F3D4 FFFFFFFF8626F3D4r     Great schtuff this C, eh?V   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMo            iO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.t   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:00:59 -0700/ From: "Stellan Lagerstrm" <stellan@zezame.com>o Subject: Re: Why [000000]?4 Message-ID: <rj%t5.1111$e77.181510@news.pacbell.net>  E > Can anybody tell me why the root directory on a device is [000000]?uE > This is a common question from users and one I have always wonderedoI > about.  It seems completely random, but the attached post makes it look1F > like a UIC.  I'd like to know the history, or at least make sense of > it...t   Yep, it's the UIC.G In the beginning of the file system, each user had just a UIC, no name,8D and one directory (on each disk) with a name equal to the UIC; comma	 optional.aA Since the UIC was 8+8 bits then, 3+3 octal numbers is just right.,9 With several disks, you got sort of a 3-dimensional grid.n9 This also explains why changing disks with SET DEFAULT isn5 less typing than (and orthogonal from) the directory.p. Something like SET DEF DRA0: and SET DEF DRA1:& switched you between your directories.  L TOPS-10 had the same system that later got a tree structure tacked onto each user top directory.rJ Close to this:(can't remember where the commas and periods are supposed to go)i   [307,105,GAMES,MUD]o   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:26:41 +0200' From: "vmsmurfy" <vmsmurfy@hotmail.com>   Subject: Re: WORD viewer for VMS* Message-ID: <8papiv$o0o$2@cyan.nl.gxn.net>  h "Chris Sharman" <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> wrote in message news:39B63F8F.3FDAFE2D@CCAgroup.co.uk...J > Well, I use laola - also not perfect, but marginally better on the (one)@ > test file I tried. How good do you expect a free tool, reverse > engineered billware, to be ??l  { Well... Obviously I draw the line at incomplete display of texts. That the layout is not always at its best is ok with me. K   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:40:17 GMTp- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)s  Subject: Re: WORD viewer for VMS1 Message-ID: <39b91624.104389544@swen.process.com>   D On Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:26:41 +0200, "vmsmurfy" <vmsmurfy@hotmail.com> wrote:   >ei >"Chris Sharman" <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> wrote in message news:39B63F8F.3FDAFE2D@CCAgroup.co.uk...iK >> Well, I use laola - also not perfect, but marginally better on the (one)JA >> test file I tried. How good do you expect a free tool, reverseo  >> engineered billware, to be ?? >e| >Well... Obviously I draw the line at incomplete display of texts. That the layout is not always at its best is ok with me.  > > Yes, I've seen one or two .DOC files that catdoc didn't handleF correctly, but most files are handled just fine.  I didn't write it, IE just made it work on VMS.  I'd volunteer to try to fix it, but I knowe; virtually nothing about WORD formats, and no time to learn.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2000 09:23:59 -0500a, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)/ Subject: Re: writing multi-volume foreign tapese+ Message-ID: <b$TNaRHzUd3Z@eisner.decus.org>.  D In article <8p82av$dii$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, nefast@my-deja.com writes:C > Im currently trying to solve a compatibility problem between ourh9 > native ALPHA servers and a number of external machines.  > + > These external machines are EBCDIC based.lH > Once a month we send files on tape, converted from ASCII to EBCDIC, to > our clients.H > Some months, the files exceed the capacity of the tape media and cause5 > the procedure to abort with "end of tape" messages.aH > The tapes are MOUNTed/FOREIGN and the files are copied using DCL COPY. > F > Could anyone tell me if it is possible to span multiple foreign tape, > volumes or if any tools exist to do this ? >   E    If you write these tapes as Files-11 (ANSI-ASCII labeled) and havefE    the IBM (I assume) shop mount them with todays' equvalent to JCL's 7    LABELTYPE=AL, you probably won't have such problems.   F    Going the other way is more painfull.  IBM always puts an EOV labelG    in front of the logical EOV (double EOF) mark, which VMS interrpretsl%    as "there must be another volume"..   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.503 ************************