1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 09 Sep 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 504       Contents: Re: aircraft are not Sun Re: aircraft are not Sun RE: aircraft are not Sun Re: aircraft are not Sun Re: Becoming another user??  Re: Big AlphaServer Sale& Re: Booting OpenVMS 7.2 w/o DecWindows& Re: Booting OpenVMS 7.2 w/o DecWindows& Re: Booting OpenVMS 7.2 w/o DecWindows CETS2000: Full Schedule details  Re: CHARON-VAX images? Re: Compiler Errors! Re: Compiler Errors! RE: dcps Re: DECC help porting  Re: DECC help porting  Re: DECSERVER 90m AND TCPIP  Re: ERRFMT in RWMBX $ incredible opportunity! PLEASE READ! Lexmark Optra printer control  MGFTP V2.6-5 now available RE: MGFTP V2.6-5 now available% need to convert DIF to delimited text ) Re: need to convert DIF to delimited text % RE: Off-Topic: DS10 Hardware question % RE: Off-Topic: DS10 Hardware question % RE: Off-Topic: DS10 Hardware question % Re: Off-Topic: DS10 Hardware question % Re: Off-Topic: DS10 Hardware question % Re: Off-Topic: DS10 Hardware question % Re: Off-Topic: DS10 Hardware question % Re: Off-Topic: DS10 Hardware question % Re: Off-Topic: DS10 Hardware question % Re: Off-Topic: DS10 Hardware question 3 Re: OpenVMS filesystem reader for MicroSoft Windows  Re: OpenVMS V8.0? ) Re: Re[2]: Sun's Bitter Harvest- Going OT ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist  Re: Sun's Bitter Harvest Re: Sun's Bitter Harvest" Re: Sun's Bitter Harvest- Going OT Re: TT_ACCPORNAM for IP address  Re: TT_ACCPORNAM for IP address  UNXIP not working  Re: UNXIP not working  UNZIP not working  Re: UNZIP not working  Re: UNZIP not working  Re: using / in the symbol P Re: visual interpretation of algorithms. -> Sound interpretation of algorythmes.P Re: visual interpretation of algorithms. -> Sound interpretation of algorythmes.O Re: visual interpretation of algorithms. -> Sound interpretation ofalgorythmes. % Re: Why I hate C on VMS, reason #9321 % Re: Why I hate C on VMS, reason #9321  Re: WORD viewer for VMS . yahMAIL & APACHE (was "Problems with yahMAIL"). yahMAIL & APACHE (was "Problems with yahMAIL")  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2000 17:46:22 GMT ) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) ! Subject: Re: aircraft are not Sun ' Message-ID: <8pb8le$1cn$1@joe.rice.edu>    jgessling@yahoo.com wrote: : Somebody said:  7 : > Passenger jets are not designed to be barrel-rolled   F : But they have been.  I had heard this before and found this article: : @ : http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58540-2000Jun3.html : H : See the section regarding Tex Johnson rolling a 707.  I had heard thatE : this was on his last day befor retirement, but this article doesn't  : confirm that.  : F : I guess this does confirms that well engineered products can operateH : successfully under conditions outside of what the specs call for.  :-)    N ==============================================================================8 Here's a picture of Seattle taken from the inverted 707:  0   http://www.aviationpics.de/airshow/airshow.htm  F There was an episode of "Wings" that covered the roll of the prototypeG 707. Tex Johnson said it was only a 1G maneuver. After landing, he was  H asked by Boeing's President what he thought he was doing. His reply was  "Selling airplanes".  J Anyone up for chartering a 747, painting the VMS logo on it, and going :-)J on the airshow circuit ?                                               :-)  % Is VMS used in the F-15's avionics ?:   1   http://www.f-16.net/library/stories/midair.html    Mission Impossible  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:28:55 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>! Subject: Re: aircraft are not Sun - Message-ID: <39B913C7.68A83710@tsoft-inc.com>    Bob Koehler wrote: > k > In article <009EFD18.9A888B1A.26@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>, Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> writes:  > > O > > Passenger jets are not designed to be barrel-rolled*, or to be accellerated L > > downwards at over 2G**. However, both events have happened to a 747, andA > > in both cases they survived. This is called good engineering.  > H >   IIRC, they are designed to handle both.  The pilot is not allowed toJ >   intentionlally do either to ANY aircraft carrying passengers, but bothJ >   of those maneuvers should be well within the capability of the averageG >   aircraft.  -2G is a bit extreem, and the typical aircraft should be $ >   inspected after such a maneuver. > G >   Aircraft designed specifically for aeobatics are typically designed  >   to withstand +6 to -3 g.  M Actually, there are very few aircraft that cannot handle much more than -2G.  P The only ones I can think of are powered parachutes, and the concept of negative! Gees just doesn't exist for them.   N The +6 and -3 is rather normal for stand catagory aircraft, and most aerobaticP aircraft are designed for much more.  The Berkut, a kit aircraft similar to BertN Rutan's Long EZ design, is built with carbon fiber, and is rated at +/- 12 G. O It will probably withstand quite a bit more.  Big problem here, the pilot might  die before the aircraft breaks.   P Aircraft aren't as flimsy as some people think.  Sun hardware, on the other hand	 .........   L And, while my memory isn't real sharp on this subject, I believe Tex JohnsonO looped the 707 or 747.  That would be QUITE impressive to watch.  Tex must have & employed a wheel barrow while walking.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:08:00 -0300 1 From: "Boyle, Darren" <boyledj@bankofbermuda.com> ! Subject: RE: aircraft are not Sun K Message-ID: <9F664D538536D411BD3200508B6FF01A8AEACC@bdant027.bda.bobda.com>   6 > From: 	jgessling@YAHOO.COM[SMTP:jgessling@YAHOO.COM] > F > I guess this does confirms that well engineered products can operateH > successfully under conditions outside of what the specs call for.  :-) >  > " Sounds like it was modelled on VMS    F **********************************************************************C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.M They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they L are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, B please notify the sender immediately and then delete this message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying  of this message is prohibited.   Bank of Bermuda F **********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:33:23 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>! Subject: Re: aircraft are not Sun 7 Message-ID: <200009081833_MC2-B2AF-E3E6@compuserve.com>   J         ISTR he was fired for it too!!!  But there are things a man has t= o 
 do. . . . :-)   & Message text written by David A FrobleE >And, while my memory isn't real sharp on this subject, I believe Tex  Johnson J looped the 707 or 747.  That would be QUITE impressive to watch.  Tex mus= t  have' employed a wheel barrow while walking.<    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:16:55 GMT - From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) $ Subject: Re: Becoming another user??1 Message-ID: <39b92c8b.110124340@swen.process.com>   ? On 8 Sep 2000 15:02:26 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff  Hoffman) wrote:   F >  There are various unsupported tools such as GLOGIN and WHEEL, whichF >  may or may not suffice -- it has been my experience (having writtenJ >  an impersonation tool) that the complete user context is not a trivial J >  thing to emulate.  Ownerships local logical name tables come into play,H >  as well as needing full emulation of process quotas and a variety of  >  other factors.    > F >  These tools are version-dependent kernel-mode code, and I would be H >  (mildly) interested in knowing of any that have been updated to deal C >  with the new PSB internals used in OpenVMS Alpha V7.2 and later.  > B HGLOGIN was modified for V7.2.  It creates a new process under the> target username, running on a pseudo-terminal, so you are that9 user---no emulation by changing logical name tables, etc.   F >  An image-level impersonation system service interface is available . >  (and documented) in OpenVMS V6.2 and later. > = Sometime I'll modify HGLOGIN to be able to use those too.....   * ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/hglogin.zip   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ : goathunter@goatley.com      http://www.goatley.com/hunter/   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2000 16:26:01 PDT T From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale 3 Message-ID: <Ozgtzwmcehvo@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>   - In article <8pavs5$p4c@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,  9     	mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:  [...] M > I just fired up the Alpha Configuration utility (from May,2000) and came up G > with list prices for the 4 CPU, 1000 Mb RAM, 1600 GB disk GS320 6/731 G > Tru64, 2 ethernet, 1 tape, SCSI disks. systems of 852,000 and 967,000 N > dollars.  (That's just a guess as to the systems they might have purchased.)J > Anyway, that makes the discount from list somewhere between 36% and 43%.A > (If they went with slower systems the discount would have been   > correspondingly lower.)   H         That's an  entirely  reasonable  discount.   Current EducationalH     discount (for systems, not necessarily various options) is 38%.  I'd,     expect the GSA schedule to be similar...           -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 20:49:19 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)/ Subject: Re: Booting OpenVMS 7.2 w/o DecWindows ; Message-ID: <39b934af.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   2 Vance Haemmerle (vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US) wrote:F :   I just tried that today on a VAX with VMS 7.1 (the first command).G : DecWindows still started up.  There was a BADVALUE error and it reset  : WINDOW_SYSTEM to 1.   J Does anyone besides me sees this as one of the worst jokes VMS engineering has ever played on us?  C User: I don't want DECwindows to start: SYSGEN> SET WINDOW_SYSTEM 0   4 DECwindows: What's this? No me? That can't be right.&             Better correct that one...   cu,    Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de N One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2000 19:19:40 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)/ Subject: Re: Booting OpenVMS 7.2 w/o DecWindows 6 Message-ID: <8pbe4c$as8$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  p In article <39b934af.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>, martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) writes:3 :Vance Haemmerle (vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US) wrote: G ::   I just tried that today on a VAX with VMS 7.1 (the first command). H :: DecWindows still started up.  There was a BADVALUE error and it reset :: WINDOW_SYSTEM to 1. : K :Does anyone besides me sees this as one of the worst jokes VMS engineering  :has ever played on us?  : D :User: I don't want DECwindows to start: SYSGEN> SET WINDOW_SYSTEM 0 : 5 :DECwindows: What's this? No me? That can't be right. ' :            Better correct that one...   &   User: Why isn't DECwindows starting?  !   CSC: Did you set WINDOW_SYSTEM?       Ya just can't win sometimes...  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 22:05:34 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> / Subject: Re: Booting OpenVMS 7.2 w/o DecWindows , Message-ID: <39B9A8FE.FC39E23@earthlink.net>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > r > In article <39b934af.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>, martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) writes:5 > :Vance Haemmerle (vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US) wrote: I > ::   I just tried that today on a VAX with VMS 7.1 (the first command). J > :: DecWindows still started up.  There was a BADVALUE error and it reset > :: WINDOW_SYSTEM to 1. > : M > :Does anyone besides me sees this as one of the worst jokes VMS engineering  > :has ever played on us?  > : F > :User: I don't want DECwindows to start: SYSGEN> SET WINDOW_SYSTEM 0 > : 7 > :DECwindows: What's this? No me? That can't be right. ) > :            Better correct that one...  > ( >   User: Why isn't DECwindows starting? > # >   CSC: Did you set WINDOW_SYSTEM?  > " >   Ya just can't win sometimes... >    Boo! Hiss!!    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:23:28 -04007 From: "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> ( Subject: CETS2000: Full Schedule details2 Message-ID: <8pbsci$1qe$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>   We now have the sessions by...  	     Topic 	     Track      Day and Time  / http://www.conferenceregistration.com/sessions/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:44:42 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: CHARON-VAX images? - Message-ID: <39B9177A.361FD00F@tsoft-inc.com>    Chris Cebelenski wrote:  > 3 > On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 13:11:52 +0100, Tim Llewellyn " > <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote: >  > > + > >Ifs its just DCL, why not port to Alpha? ? > >uVAX were good boxes in their day but that is well past now.  > E >  Unfortunatly it's not just DCL.  It's VAX BASIC hung together with C > DCL.  Even that could be moved to Alpha with effort, but it's the C > effort that I'm trying to avoid.  I don't even have an Alpha/OVMS F > machine around here, just Alpha/DU. (Victim of the "Great VMS Purge" > of two years ago.)  J VAX Basic to DEC BASIC is pretty much a no-brainer, unless you've got someD really strange stuff in the code.  It's just compile, link, and run.  K The DEC BASIC compiler is a bit more unforgiving than VAX Basic.  One small G problem is declaring functions of a particular data type.  The function 2 declaration must preceed any usage in the program.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:27:28 GMT - From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)  Subject: Re: Compiler Errors! 1 Message-ID: <39b92f4d.110830395@swen.process.com>   @ On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:22:41 GMT, hx_101@hotmail.com (HorseNuts) wrote:  G >When I run @link.com I get the folowing error. How can I resolve this?  >  >Thanks  >  >  >Error: , >512 byte record too large for user's buffer  : I know from private e-mail that he's working with HGLOGIN.  < You must UNZIP the files on a VMS system to restore the fileD attributes properly.  UNZIP on VMS, and the @LINK will work for you.   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/c: goathunter@goatley.com      http://www.goatley.com/hunter/   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2000 18:38:19 GMTp2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Compiler Errors!h6 Message-ID: <8pbbmr$afl$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  T In article <39b91228.1390704156@news.dal.ca>, hx_101@hotmail.com (HorseNuts) writes:G :When I run @link.com I get the folowing error. How can I resolve this?   )   Well, um, er, don't run that procedure?   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2000 16:43:05 PDT T From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) Subject: RE: dcpsq3 Message-ID: <Z4ewyl+9v$ak@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>   C In article <FE1835D68492D311BF7900508B5BEB0D0DE9C3@petra.WPI.EDU>, o4     	"Mitchell, David R." <mitchell@WPI.EDU> writes:M > The latest I can find (without running around to checkout all of the remotewJ > ones) is the "19980714 MB3.68".  I'll let you know if what I get with my > latest order is any later...  H         OK, that's the same datecode that's  running on our HP4000's andH     HP5000's.   The  HP8000/8100's  have  a  different  "sequence";  theH     HP2100's don't have replacable  firmware,  and  I  haven't  had  any     problems with out HP4050...   H         FWIW, one of our  HP8000s  has datecode "19980610 MB4.28" (whichH     has  some troubles with a particular Postscript file), while anotherF     one a ways away has datecode "19981012 MB4.29".  I think I need to.     try printing the file to _that_ printer...  H         The HP2100's have  datecode  "19980828",  and  the HP8100's haveH     datecode "19980902 MB5.33".  IIRC, the file printed OK on the 2100's     and 8100's.            -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu):  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:19:19 GMTe From: trevor_deja@my-deja.coma Subject: Re: DECC help porting) Message-ID: <8pbaih$9a6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>i   Thanks all for the suggestions  < The problem does appear to be the conditional declaration inD <strings.h>, so that bcopy isn't defined for VMS < 7.0.  There are a= number of other routines which fall foul of the same problem.     6 In article <8p8igc$o20$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,&   hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote: >fE >   Ooops.  It's not CC/PREFIX.  Check the backport library or (IIRC)= you=B >   can also get these new calls via applying a CRTL ECO, as bcopy itselfB >   was not integrated into OpenVMS shareable image prior to V7.0. YourB >   compiler installs this and other calls as part of the backport support. >r  G I've had a look through the DEC C patch readme (VAXCRTL11_062) but thisrC issue doesn't appear to be addressed, unless i've misunderstood thes5 words.  Is there somewhere else I should be looking ?u  B Also where will I find details of the above backport library ?  IsB backport the correct term or is it referred to as something else ?D I've tried reading the docs, and electronically searching them but I7 can't find anythig similar to a backport library.  E.g.-  *  search [progtool.deccv60]*.htm "backport"' %SEARCH-I-NOMATCHES, no strings matched    Regards, Trevor0   trevor_deja@my-deja.coma    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 21:19:46 +0200t2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: DECC help porting; Message-ID: <39b93bd2.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>e   trevor_deja@my-deja.com wrote:> : The problem does appear to be the conditional declaration inF : <strings.h>, so that bcopy isn't defined for VMS < 7.0.  There are a? : number of other routines which fall foul of the same problem.e  G Another approach you could take (if none of the affected routines dealsrJ with I18N or timezones) is to statically link against the VMS V7 C RTL (ifC you have DEC C >= 5.6). Please see SYS$LIBRARY:DECC$CRTL.README for  details.   cu,d   Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de N One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 01:21:32 GMTs3 From: Michael Austin <michaelaustininc@hotmail.com>a$ Subject: Re: DECSERVER 90m AND TCPIP+ Message-ID: <39B99097.E2337F31@hotmail.com>   _ This helped.... a little.  Thanks....   Now I need to figure out how to set up a remote printerr^ queue on the 90M using Telnet (without documentation...) because the routers being used do notU understand LAT.  Which is too bad because it is a much "thinner" protocol that TCPIP.k  V Not to be argumentative, but you need a better outlook on life and not be so arrogant.  Y About your "wasted bandwidth" comment... First of all most people I deal with have a newstc readers/browsers that understand what a VCARD is... If you are still stuck in the text only world.. c that is not my fault.   And further more if you really were to contemplate "bandwidth",   not usingtb it is a waste because it is like stepping into a river.. you never step into the same water twice.` It is fluid and always moving.   Wasted electricity is the same way.  Because it is generated in^ real-time, the electricity you don't use (and pay for) is "wasted" because it just dissipates.a Again bandwidth is available in real-time, you either use it or it is "wasted" for that moment in@d time.  And if you are not at 100% CPU you "waste" CPU time because you cannot use more than you have` and it is only available at that moment in time.  It is also no any more wasteful than your cute definition of a city...*  ( So how was that for "wasted bandwidth" ?   Michael Austin DBA Consultant.l        & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:  b > In article <39B4D80C.F3456B7F@nc.prestige.net>, Michael Austin <maustin@nc.prestige.net> writes:/ > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ) > >--------------B781AB0C74B8BF3756DF1250a- > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-asciif" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >tJ > >Does any have an exact command to enable TCPIP on a DECServer 90M  I doD > >not have any documenation and am remote from the TS.  The routersH > >between the system and the TS do not appear to pass LAT.   So, what IH > >need is something that I can give to a Non-Technical type to enter atI > >the console.  It has been at least 10 years since I had to do anythingo > >like this.... > >0K > >IRC, there was a utility on VMS to configure the TS and the "Trigger" ittC > >to download the configuration.  But for the life of me, I cannotg > >remember what it was... > > 
 > >Thanks, > >m > >Michael AustinpK > >DBA Consultant (who does remember a little bit about system Management )d > >U< > >Please reply/all  as I may not have access to NewsGroups. >r. > You had access to ask so use it to read too. >-& > You need access to the TS initially. >  > Minimally, you'll need:m >u% > CHANGE INTERNET ADDRESS xx.xx.xx.xxn% > CHANGE INTERNET GATEWAY xx.xx.xx.xx1 >4 > >n) > >--------------B781AB0C74B8BF3756DF1250T0 > >Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; > > name="maustin.vcf"" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit/ > >Content-Description: Card for Michael Austin-# > >Content-Disposition: attachment;i > > filename="maustin.vcf" > >h > >begin:vcard > >n:Austin;Michael  > >tel;work:704-947-1089 > >x-mozilla-html:FALSEg > >org:Michael Austin, Inc
 > >adr:;;;;;;l > >version:2.1. > >email;internet:michaelaustininc@hotmail.com > >title:President > >x-mozilla-cpt:;0a > >fn:Michael E. Austine > >end:vcard > >w+ > >--------------B781AB0C74B8BF3756DF1250--f > >t > > > What is all this crap?... short of wasted bandwidth that is. > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMo >sQ > city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:53:12 -0400e* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: ERRFMT in RWMBX- Message-ID: <39B91978.58AE515D@tsoft-inc.com>y  % Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:  >  > cc:t > bcc:? > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazac >  > ERRFMT in RWMBXw > M > We have a few Alphas (8400s and 4100s) running OpenVMS 7.2-1 and 7.1-2 upon-8 > which the ERRFMT process has started to go into RWMBX. > P > Other than doing a copy of the mailbox to clear it, is there anything I can doJ > to alleviate the need to reboot these machines? Anyone seen this before? > M > It has only started happening these last few weeks. If it were a Sun box, Ip > could put it down to static,   Andrew truly deserves this. :-)   E From now on, any problem on any Sun box will be attributed to static.   I Think of the cost savings.  They can get rid of a whole bunch of people. rI Compilers, OS, anything, no more bugs, no more enhancements, just static.'  4 Sun user:  We'd like the system enhanced to do .....$ Sun:  Nope!  Can't do that.  Static!  C But, this will not help with the Andrew problem.  He IS the static!   5 > but I am a bit stumped as to why this is happening. O > Can I find out if anything else is latching onto the mailbox, and causing thenO > ERRFMT to go RWMBX, and if there is, why would it never be that process which  > hangs? > 0 > Happy to provide more information if required. >  > Steve Spires > VMS System Manager > BT/Yellow Pagesl >  > [Information] -- PostMaster:F > This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beN > confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has beenR > addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce, distribute or > use this transmission. > N > Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee is notJ > intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have received thisH > transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message. >  > Thank you.   -- .4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:34:15 -0700 / From: gustavo lobo <liberdade@smallbizmail.com>W- Subject: incredible opportunity! PLEASE READ!h8 Message-ID: <20000908213415.25782.cpmta@c014.sfo.cp.net>  7 I never thought I would be the One Telling You This:=20tF             >I Actually Read a Piece of E-Mail & I'm Going to Europe = on the proceeds!=20d             >=20             >Hello!=20F             >My name is Karen Liddell; I'm a 35-year-old mom, wife, a= nd  part-time=20F             >accountant. As a rule, I delete all unsolicited  "junk" = e-mail  and use my=20aF             >account primarily for business. I received what I assume= d was this same=20@             >e-mail countless times and deleted it each time.=20             >=20F             >About two months ago I received it again and, because of=  the catchy subject=20F             >line, I finally read it. Afterwards, I thought , "OK,  I=  give in, I'm going=20F             >to try this. I can certainly afford to invest $20 and, o= n the other hand,=20F             >there's nothing wrong with creating a little excess cash= ." I promptly mailed=20iF             >four $5 bills and, after receiving the reports, paid a f= riend of mine a small=20F             >fee to send out some e-mail advertisements for me. After=  reading the reports,=20D             >I also learned how easy it is to bulk e-mail for free!= =20s             >=20F             >I was not prepared for the results. Everyday for the las= t six weeks, my P.O.=20-F             >box has been overflowing with $5 bills; many days the ex= cess fills up an=20cF             >extra mail bin and I've had to upgrade to the corporate = size box! I am=20v?             >stunned by all the money that keeps rolling in!=20i             >=20F             >My husband and I have been saving for several years to m= ake a substantial=20F             >down payment on a house. Now, not only are we purchasing=  a house with 40%=20A             >down, we're going to Venice, Italy  to celebrate!=20e             >=20F             >I promise you, if you follow the directions in this e-ma= il and be prepared to=20F             >eventually set aside about an hour each day to follow up=  (and count your=20sF             >money!), you will make at least as much money as we did.=  You don't need to be=20             >a wiz at the=20F             >computer, but I'll bet you already are. If you can open = an envelope, remove=20F             >the money, and send an e-mail message, then you're on  y= our way to the bank.=20 F             >Take the time to read this so you'll understand how easy=  it is. If I can do=20!             >this, so can you!=20J             >=20             >GO FOR IT NOW!!=20f             >Karen Liddell=20e             >=20F             >$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$= $$$$$$$$=20              >=20F             >This is a LEGAL, MONEY-MAKING PHENOMENON. PRINT this let= ter, read the=202             >directions, THEN READ IT AGAIN !!!=20F             >You are about to embark on the most profitable and uniqu= e program you may=20F             >ever see. Many times over, it has demonstrated and prove= n its ability to=20T/             >generate large amounts of cash.=20$             >=20F             >This program is showing fantastic appeal with a huge and=  ever-growing on-line=20F             >population desirous of additional income.  This is a leg= itimate, LEGAL,=20F             >money-making opportunity.  It does not require you to co= me in contact with=20AF             >people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never hav= e to leave the house,=20:             >except to get the mail and go to the bank!=20             >=20F             >This truly is that lucky break you've been waiting for! = Simply follow the=20F             >easy instructions in this letter, and your financial dre= ams will come true!=20F             >When  followed correctly, this electronic, multi-level m= arketing program=20tF             >works perfectly ...100% EVERY TIME! Thousands of people = have used this=20h             >program to:=20M;             >- Raise capital to start their own business=20r             >- Pay off debts=20u,             > -    Buy homes, cars, etc.,=20!             > -   Even retire!=20.             >=209             >This is your chance, so don't pass it up!=20lF             >--------------------------------------------------------= -=20             >=20F             >OVERVIEW OF THIS EXTRAORDINARY ELECTRONIC MULTI-LEVEL MA= RKETING PROGRAM=20             >=20.             >Basically, this is what we do:=20             >=20F             >We send thousands of people a product for $5.00 that cos= ts next to nothing to=20F             >produce and e-mail. As with all multi-level  businesses,=  we build our=20F             >business by recruiting new partners and selling our prod= ucts. Every state in=209F             >the U.S. allows you to recruit new multi-level business = online (via your=20t             >computer).=20             >=20F             >The products in this program are a series of four busine= ss and financial=20fF             >reports costing $5.00 each. Each order  you receive via = "snail mail" will=20             >include:=20             >=20$             >=B7 $5.00 cash(U.S.)=20E             >=B7 The name and number of the report they are ordering=  =20sF             >=B7 The e-mail address where you will e-mail them  the r= eport they ordered.=20             >=20F             >To fill each order, you simply e-mail the product to the=  buyer.  THAT'S IT!=20F             >The $5.00 is yours!  This is the EASIEST electronic mult= i-level marketing=20"             >business anywhere!=20             >=20F             >FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS TO THE LETTER AND BE PREPARED TO=	  REAP THE              STAGGERING=20              >BENEFITS!=20h             >=20             >*******=20-'             >I N S T R U C T I O N S=20-             >*******=20h             >=20)             >This is what you MUST do:=20m             >=20F             >1. Order all 4 reports shown on the list below (you can'= t sell them if you=20f             >don't order=20:             >     them).=20qF             >* For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF=  THE REPORT YOU ARE=20F             >ORDERING, YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR RETURN POSTAL ADD= RESS (in case of a=20eF             >problem) to the person whose name appears on the list ne= xt to the report.=20             >=20F             > * When you place your order, make sure you order each o= f the four reports.=20F             >You will need all four reports so that you can save them=  on your computer and=20             >resell them.=20             >=20F             >* Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each o= f the four reports.=20F             >Save them on your computer so they will be accessible fo= r you to send to the=20c?             >1,000's of people who will order them from you.=20e             >=20F             >2. IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people who = are listed next to=20sF             >each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way o= ther than as=20RF             >instructed below in steps "a" through "d" or you will lo= se out on the=20F             >majority of your profits. Once you understand the way th= is works,  you'll=20F             >also see how it doesn't work if you change it. Remember = this method has been=20->             >tested, and if you alter it, it will not work.=20             >=20C             >a. Look below for the listing of available reports.=20-F             >b. After you've ordered the four reports, replace the na= me and address under=20 F             >REPORT #1 with your name and address, moving the one tha= t was there down to=20             >REPORT #2.=20F             >c. Move the name and address that was under REPORT #2 do= wn to REPORT #3.=20rF             >d. Move the name and address that was under REPORT #3 do= wn to REPORT #4.=20 F             >e. The name and address that was under REPORT #4 is remo= ved from the list and=20:             >    has NO DOUBT collected their 50 grand.=20             >=20F             >Please make sure you copy everyone's name and address AC= CURATELY!!!=20             >=20F             >3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list = of names, and save it=20             >to your=20 F             >    computer. Make NO changes to the instruction portion=  of this letter.=20              >=20F             >4. Now you're ready to start an advertising campaign on = the WORLDWIDE WEB!=20 F             >Advertising on the WEB is very, very inexpensive, and th= ere are HUNDREDS of=20F             >FREE places to advertise. Another avenue which you could=  use are email lists.=20F             >You can buy these lists for under $20/2,000 addresses or=  you can pay someone=20]<             >a minimal charge to take care of it for you.=20             >=20>             >BE SURE TO START YOUR AD CAMPAIGN IMMEDIATELY!=20             >=20F             >5. For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mai= l them the report=20             >they  =20F             >    ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE =	 ON ALL=207F             >    ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY sen= d out, with YOUR=20 F             >   name and address on it, will be prompt because they c= an't advertise until=20a             >they=20&             >   receive the report!=209             >-----------------------------------------=20 !             >AVAILABLE REPORTS=20 ;             > ------------------------------------------=20(:             >***Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME***=20             >=20             >Notes:=206             > - ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH FOR EACH REPORT=20>             > - ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS MAIL=20F             > - Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at = least two sheets of=20             >paper=20iF             >- On one of those sheets of paper, include: (a) the numb= er & name of the=20e             >report=20F             >   you are ordering, (b) your e-mail address, and (c) yo= ur postal address.=20g             >=20F             >________________________________________________________= ________=20oF             >REPORT #1 "HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTI-LEVEL SALE= S"=20m             >=20%             >ORDER REPORT #1 FROM:=20s             > Gustavo Lobo=20a               PO Box 8003=20               Columbus, OH=20                43201=20F             _________________________________________________________=	 ______=20hB             >REPORT #2 "MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTI-LEVEL SALES"= =20r             >=20$             >ORDER REPORT #2 FROM=20             >MIKE SPACEK=20l#             >7318 LA GRANADA    =20t!             >HOUSTON, TX 77083=20e             >_=20 F             >________________________________________________________= __=20r>             >REPORT #3 "SOURCES FOR THE BEST MAILING LISTS"=20             >=20$             >ORDER REPORT #3 FROM=20             >J & D Denney=20-             >1732 West 540 North - Unit #2=20"(             >St. George, Utah.  84770=20             >=20F             >________________________________________________________= ________=20o>             >REPORT #4 "EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS"=20             >=20%             >ORDER REPORT #4 FROM:=20m             >F.W. Smith=20             >P.O. Box 19235=20"             >Roanoke, Va. 24019=20             >=20             >=20B             >HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PLAN WILL MAKE YOU $MONEY$=20F             >--------------------------------------------------------= --------=20aF             >Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well=  it works. Assume=20F             >your goal is to get 10 people to participate on your fir= st level. (Placing a=20eF             >lot of FREE ads on the internet will EASILY get a larger=  response.) Also=20 F             >assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY=  10 downline members.=20F             >Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results be= low.=20a             >=20/             >1st level--your 10 members with=20 @             >$5...........................................$50=20F             >2nd level--10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100)..........= ............$500=20 F             >3rd level--10 members from those 100 ($5 x1,000)........= ........$5,000=20 F             >4th level--10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000)....= ......$50,000=20             >=20/             >THIS TOTALS ----------- $55,550=20              >=20F             >Remember friends, this assumes that the people who parti= cipate only recruit=20F             >10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if = they got 20 people to=20F             >participate!  Most people get 100's of participants!   T= HINK ABOUT IT!  Your=20TF             >cost to participate in this is practically nothing (sure= ly you can afford=20<             >$20). You obviously already have an internet=200             >connection and e-mail is FREE!!!=20             >=20F             >REPORT#3 shows you the most productive methods for bulk = e-mailing and=20F             >purchasing e-mail lists. Some list & bulk e-mail vendors=  even work on trade!=20l             >=20?             >About 50,000 new people get online every month!=20a.             >*******TIPS FOR SUCCESS*******=20             >=20F             >* TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, = and follow the=20 &             >directions accurately.=20             >=20F             >* Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have=  them when the orders=20F             >start coming in because:  When you receive a $5 order, y= ou MUST send out the=20@F             >requested product/report to comply with the U.S. Postal = & Lottery Laws, Title=20F             >18,Sections 1302 and 1341 or Title 18, Section 3005 in t= he U.S. Code, also=20FF             >Code of Federal Regs. vol. 16, Sections 255 and 436, whi= ch state that "a=200F             >product or service must be exchanged for money received.= "=20             >=20?             >* ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS=20t             >YOU RECEIVE.=20             >=20F             >* Be patient and persistent with this program.  If you f= ollow the=20F             >instructions exactly, the results WILL  undoubtedly be S=
 UCCESSFUL!=20r             >=20F             >* ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SU=	 CCEED!=20              >=204             >*******YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINE*******=20             >=20B             >Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success:=20             >=20F             >If you don't receive 10 to 20 orders for REPORT #1 withi= n two weeks, continue=20F             >advertising until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later = you should receive at=20F             >least 100 orders for REPORT #2.  If you don't, continue = advertising until you=20F             >do.  Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPOR= T #2, YOU CAN RELAX,=20oF             >because the system is already working for you, and the c= ash will continue to=20e             >roll in!=20             >=20.             >THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER:=20             >=20F             >Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are = placed in front of a=20yF             >DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by=  watching which=20F             >report people are ordering from you. If you want to gene= rate more income,=20             >send another=20F             >batch of e-mails and start the whole process again! Ther= e is no limit to the=20 <             >income you will generate from this business!=20             >=20F             >NOTE: If you need help with starting a business, registe= ring a business name,=20F             >how income tax is handled, etc., contact your local offi= ce of the Small=20F             >Business Administration (a Federal agency) for free help=  and answers to=20F             >questions. Also, the Internal Revenue Service offers fre= e help via  telephone=207             >and free seminars about business taxes.=20              >=205             >*******T E S T I M O N I A L S*******=20P             >=20F             >This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! = Especially the rule=20F             >of not trying to place your name in a different position= , it won't work and=20F             >you'll lose a lot of potential income. I'm living proof = that it works. It=20F             >really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy mo= ney, with little cost=20F             >to you. If you do choose to participate, follow the prog= ram exactly, and=20 <             >you'll be on your way to financial security.=20,             >Sean McLaughlin, Jackson, MS=203             >***********************************=20 F             >My name is Frank. My wife, Doris, and I live in Bel-Air,=  MD. I am a cost=20 F             >accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pret= ty good money. When I=20F             >received the program I grumbled to Doris about receiving=  "junk mail." I made=20 F             >fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the pop= ulation and=20F             >percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work.  Doris = totally ignored my=20 =             >supposed intelligence and jumped in with both=20aF             >feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay = the old "I told you=20F             >so"on her when the thing didn't work...well, the laugh w= as on me! Within two=20eF             >weeks she had received over 50 responses. Within 45 days=  she had received=20F             >over $147,200 in $5 bills! I was shocked! I was sure tha= t I had it all=20 F             >figured and that it wouldn't work. I AM a believer now. = I have joined Doris=20F             >in her "hobby." I did have seven more years until retire= ment, but I think of=20 F             >the "rat race" and it's not for me. We owe it all to MLM= .=20%             >Frank T., Bel-Air, MD=20 ,             >****************************=20F             >I just want to pass along my best wishes and encourageme= nt to you. Any doubts=20F             >you have will vanish when your first orders come in. I e= ven checked with the=20IF             >U.S. Post Office to verify that the plan was legal. It d= efinitely is! IT=20n             >WORKS!!!=20)             >Paul Johnson, Raleigh, NC=20 3             >***********************************=20nF             >The main reason for this letter is to convince you that = this system is=20 F             >honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to ge= t a large amount of=20F             >money in a short time. I was approached several times be= fore I checked this=208             >out. I joined just to see what one could=20F             >expect in return for the minimal effort and money requir= ed. To my=20             >astonishment, I=20aF             >received  $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money s= till coming in.=207             >Sincerely yours, Phillip A. Brown, Esq.=2024             >************************************=20F             >Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to=  make up my mind to=20F             >participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I = decided that the=20tF             >initial investment was so little that there was just no = way that I wouldn't=20F             >get enough orders to at least get my money back.  Boy, w= as I surprised when I=20F             >found my medium-size post office box crammed with orders= ! For awhile, it got=20 @             >so over-loaded that I had to start picking up my=20F             >mail at the window. I'll make more money this year than = any 10 years of my=20=             >life before.=20F             >The nice thing about this deal is that it doesn't matter=  where in the U.S.=20 F             >the people live. There simply isn't a better investment = with a faster return.=20*             >Mary Rockland, Lansing, MI=208             >****************************************=20F             >I had received this program before. I deleted it, but la= ter I wondered if I=20F             >shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea = who to contact to get=20F             >another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed anot= her program... 11=20F             >months passed then it came...I didn't delete this one!..= .I made more than=20*             >$41,000 on the first try!!=20&             >D. Wilburn, Muncie, IN=208             >****************************************=20F             >This is my third time to participate in this plan.  We h= ave quit our jobs,=20uF             >and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the i= nterest on our money.=20F             >The only way on earth that this plan will work for you i= s if you do it. For=205             >your sake, and for your family's sake=20 F             >don't pass up this golden opportunity. Good luck and hap= py spending!=202.             >Charles Fairchild, Spokane, WA=20:             >******************************************=20F             >ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO= =20 $             >FINANCIAL FREEDOM!!!=20             >=20F             >*** If you don't want to be on this mailing list, please=  reply to this e-mail=20F             >and in the subject part type the words "PLEASE REMOVE" a= nd your name will be=20              >removed.=20             >=20             >=20             >=20    E _____________________________________________________________________=@ Get Free E-Mail For Your Business at http://www.SmallBizMail.com; Start and Grow Your Business at http://www.Entrepreneur.comG   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 00:52:18 -0400-2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>& Subject: Lexmark Optra printer control7 Message-ID: <200009090052_MC2-B2B6-4B2B@compuserve.com>   H         If the documentation for these printers is a little difficult toH find, perhaps you should consider better documented printers.  H-P's webF site does have pointers to documentation for their printers!  I have aH building full of various H-P printers and their "PCL Technical ReferenceJ Manual" has met my needs very well over the years.  It used to be free on=  J request if you purchased a printer and it was on paper.  I think now it's=  ? only on CD-ROM but you can always print a copy if you want one.o  2 Message text written by INTERNET:klfam@my-deja.comF >I'm trying to replace old DECLasers with Optras in our network and amE trying to get hold of the documentation on control sequence setup for*' setting orientation and font selection.e  E Does anyone know where I can find a ready source. Lexmark's site doesm not seem to contain much.s <e   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 00 13:44:22 -0500w) From: goathunter@wku.edu (Hunter Goatley)=# Subject: MGFTP V2.6-5 now availableT' Message-ID: <NEzSukDWlImf@axp1.wku.edu>   F At the request of an MGFTP user, I've modified MGFTP so that it is not@ required that you install the client with SYSPRV under UCX.  TheC window size will not be changed if the client is not installed with C SYSPRV, but the client will no longer report an error in that case.s  * ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/mglogin.zip2 ftp://ftp.process.com/wku/vms/fileserv/mglogin.zip   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ ; <goathunter@GOATLEY.COM>     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/o   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 00 15:17:47 -0500f) From: goathunter@wku.edu (Hunter Goatley)s' Subject: RE: MGFTP V2.6-5 now availableo' Message-ID: <1NdMPWaaxDhb@axp1.wku.edu>   / Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> writes:  > G >At the request of an MGFTP user, I've modified MGFTP so that it is not A >required that you install the client with SYSPRV under UCX.  TheuD >window size will not be changed if the client is not installed withD >SYSPRV, but the client will no longer report an error in that case. >  Sorry; the correct URLs are:  ( ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/mgftp.zip0 ftp://ftp.process.com/wku/vms/fileserv/mgftp.zip  ? I had just finished posting about HGLOGIN to comp.os.vms and my  fingers got confused.t   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ ; <goathunter@GOATLEY.COM>     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/n   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 20:31:05 GMT4 From: rnbwil@my-deja.com. Subject: need to convert DIF to delimited text) Message-ID: <8pbiaa$j29$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Hi,,  F We have some rather large dif files that were pulled from an AS400 andD are destined eventually for an SQL server but we need to convet them from dif to ^ delimited text.t  F CDA Convert wont do it on an Alpha, only VAX.  We're running an AS1200 w/ OVMS 7.1-2.  E I've fumbled through a DCL script that reads-a-record/writes-a-record 4 but it takes FOREVER and our files are 3gb and more.   Any suggestions?   Thanks Rustyv    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 21:27:18 -0400Y* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>2 Subject: Re: need to convert DIF to delimited text- Message-ID: <39B991F6.895CABC9@tsoft-inc.com>    rnbwil@my-deja.com wrote:t >  > Hi,r > H > We have some rather large dif files that were pulled from an AS400 andF > are destined eventually for an SQL server but we need to convet them > from dif to ^ delimited text.A > H > CDA Convert wont do it on an Alpha, only VAX.  We're running an AS1200 > w/ OVMS 7.1-2. > G > I've fumbled through a DCL script that reads-a-record/writes-a-record 6 > but it takes FOREVER and our files are 3gb and more. >  > Any suggestions?   Run it on a VAX?  M I've seen some VAXstation 4000 model 60 and others on EBAY going real cheap. yD Yeah, there are licensing issues.  Still, that might be the cheapestO alternative.  Might be wise to keep a small VAX around for times such as these.    Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:51:59 -0400 ) From: "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com>F. Subject: RE: Off-Topic: DS10 Hardware questionB Message-ID: <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A61DB@and02.drc.com>   > -----Original Message-----> > From: Forrest Kenney [mailto:Forrest.Kenney@compaq.com.doom]B >     Actually it is a firmware issue.  The latest versions of the- > firmware for the DS10 and related platformsRD > remove the controller from the I/O configuration.  So unless Linux- > trolls around in the bowels of the hardware . > it will not know that the controller exists. > D >     Support was removed for several reasons and the hardware teams# > responsible for the platform have=D > no plans to ever re-enable it.  This could change but would take a. > mandate from users for having it re-enabled. > 9 Yes, I know that Mr. Kenney isn't the one to blame but...   9 <Temper tamptrum about the long line of Alpha system that_=   had USB capable hardware but no *working* USB ports deleted"*   in the interest of conserving electrons>  '   Yes I would like to see the USB portsFC working on the DS10.  Even without them it still seems to be a nice ; box with an outstanding performance/price ratio, especially & considering what I paid for it.  :^)    E But I spend enough time at work arguing with vendors about supporting-A VMS, it would be nice to be able to go home and play with my nices> new system and not be annoyed by the fact that it is not fully functional.      Eric Ebinger   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 21:42:58 GMT29 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)Y. Subject: RE: Off-Topic: DS10 Hardware question+ Message-ID: <ZASmrW9Y4jm4@eisner.decus.org>T  n In article <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A61DB@and02.drc.com>, "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com> writes:  ; > Yes, I know that Mr. Kenney isn't the one to blame but...b > ; > <Temper tamptrum about the long line of Alpha system that.? >   had USB capable hardware but no *working* USB ports deleted5, >   in the interest of conserving electrons> > ) >   Yes I would like to see the USB ports$E > working on the DS10.  Even without them it still seems to be a nicee= > box with an outstanding performance/price ratio, especially ( > considering what I paid for it.  :^)   > G > But I spend enough time at work arguing with vendors about supportinguC > VMS, it would be nice to be able to go home and play with my nice1@ > new system and not be annoyed by the fact that it is not fully
 > functional.0  1 But this is a relatively new development for you. M Some of us have had DEC 3000 systems since 1993 with a non-working ISDN port.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:26:32 -04000) From: "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com>0. Subject: RE: Off-Topic: DS10 Hardware questionB Message-ID: <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A61DD@and02.drc.com>   > -----Original Message-----) > From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospaml, > [mailto:Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam]3 > But this is a relatively new development for you.o9 > Some of us have had DEC 3000 systems since 1993 with a   > non-working ISDN port. >   4 Yikes!  I didn't realize that they still hadn't come< through with that.  Ugh.  That would drive me totally batty.? And what my attitude would be if I was considering getting ISDN ; would be positively unprintable.  Of course with Nynex that= was never a concern.  :(     Eric Ebinger   ------------------------------  " Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 00:20:06 GMT( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>. Subject: Re: Off-Topic: DS10 Hardware question' Message-ID: <G0LFLI.2MK@spcuna.spc.edu>s  7 Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@compaq.com.doom> writes:eB >     Actually it is a firmware issue.  The latest versions of the- > firmware for the DS10 and related platforms D > remove the controller from the I/O configuration.  So unless Linux- > trolls around in the bowels of the hardwareA. > it will not know that the controller exists.  F   Urk. I expect there was a good reason for this, but I'm not sure whyC "we don't have any drivers for USB widgets and don't support USB onnE these boxes" wasn't sufficient. A workaround for an issue that Compaq D considers a criticial show-stopper on a commercial OS like VMS might; work fine on a free, unsupported [by Compaq] OS like Linux.*   > Forrest Kenney	 > OpenVMS0 > USB project leader  E   Does your title imply that there is still a "USB project" for other F Alpha platforms? Are any of them shipping? (I'm aware that there might/ be not-yet-shipping ones you can't talk about).a  D   [This is for the benefit of others - I personally have no interest in USB for my DS10's.]  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.como5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAn   ------------------------------  " Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 00:21:36 GMT( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>. Subject: Re: Off-Topic: DS10 Hardware question' Message-ID: <G0LFo0.2qI@spcuna.spc.edu>   ; Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> writes: 3 > But this is a relatively new development for you.sO > Some of us have had DEC 3000 systems since 1993 with a non-working ISDN port.E  H   My understanding was that this port never received regulatory approvalJ and therefore couldn't be used. And of course BRI ISDN went from "the nextI big thing" (when DEC was developing that box) to a has-been without stop-n ping in the middle...s  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com 5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 20:21:38 -0500s7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>c. Subject: Re: Off-Topic: DS10 Hardware question- Message-ID: <39B990A2.BCD4A65F@earthlink.net>d   Forrest Kenney wrote:g	 > [snip] rD >     Support was removed for several reasons and the hardware teams# > responsible for the platform havepD > no plans to ever re-enable it.  This could change but would take a. > mandate from users for having it re-enabled.   Consider the mandate issued.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.I   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:16:51 -0500) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>a. Subject: Re: Off-Topic: DS10 Hardware question. Message-ID: <srj76cbjljn31@corp.supernews.com>  7 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote 2 in message news:39B990A2.BCD4A65F@earthlink.net... > Forrest Kenney wrote: 
 > > [snip]7 > >     Support was removed for several reasons and the=4 > > hardware teams responsible for the platform have9 > > no plans to ever re-enable it.  This could change but = > > would take a mandate from users for having it re-enabled.t >  > Consider the mandate issued. >v  F As much as I think it would be nice to have these USB ports on my DS10I available even if it meant that I would have to write a device driver for.; OpenVMS to support them, there are some things to consider.   J I have not seen any USB devices that I have any interest in that are lowerJ cost than their equivalent that plugs into the more traditional interfaces that are on the box.  E Can you personally come up with such a USB device that is either only < available as USB or is lower cost than the traditional ones?  I And can you demonstrate that the support for such a device will result iniK enough sales of DS10s to cover the cost of fixing what ever firmware issues I the hardware team found, plus the cost of someone writing an ALPHA driverW( for it on any operating system platform?  L For a device that is only available for USB, an option for using it with VMSJ is to run it through a cheap X86 based device running some other operatingL system and then sending that data through to the VMS system for analysis and, display through a 100Mb ethernet connection.    K Yes, I think that support for USB would be nice, as would support for a lot  of other things.  J I also think that for a customer to make a mandate, they should back it upK by being able to show that they intend to purchase enough equipment for theo  supplier to recover their costs.  B I would also not want to alienate members of the Midnight AviationG Department of VMS engineering that might be able to provide help in thea@ future on getting the devices working in an unsupported fashion.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 21:34:45 -0400m* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>. Subject: Re: Off-Topic: DS10 Hardware question- Message-ID: <39B993B5.F3A3EDE1@tsoft-inc.com>c   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > Forrest Kenney wrote:n
 > > [snip]F > >     Support was removed for several reasons and the hardware teams% > > responsible for the platform haverF > > no plans to ever re-enable it.  This could change but would take a0 > > mandate from users for having it re-enabled. >  > Consider the mandate issued.  O A mandate for DS10 issues, considering the number (no, I don't know, but I hopegP it's more than 2 dozen) DS10 systems already in existance, and those still to beH build, should be more than a half dozen people.  However, not the issue.  L It seems that there may be some need for methods of obtaining a mandate.  IfP such could be devised, along with associated methods for putting together a goodN sound business reason for the subject of the 'mandate', there could be benefit to both the users and Compaq.d   If only ......   Dave   -- .4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 23:00:46 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>d. Subject: Re: Off-Topic: DS10 Hardware question- Message-ID: <39B9B5EE.683BBD0C@earthlink.net>-   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:1 > 9 > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote 4 > in message news:39B990A2.BCD4A65F@earthlink.net... > > Forrest Kenney wrote:  > > > [snip]9 > > >     Support was removed for several reasons and the*6 > > > hardware teams responsible for the platform have; > > > no plans to ever re-enable it.  This could change but ? > > > would take a mandate from users for having it re-enabled.h > >   > > Consider the mandate issued. > >T > H > As much as I think it would be nice to have these USB ports on my DS10K > available even if it meant that I would have to write a device driver fort= > OpenVMS to support them, there are some things to consider.n > L > I have not seen any USB devices that I have any interest in that are lowerL > cost than their equivalent that plugs into the more traditional interfaces > that are on the box. [snip]  F The problem is, of course, that many of the newest "commodity" devicesH are coming out in USB-only form. Even Compaq acknowledges this with it's; "ipaq" product line. For more examples, see your choice of:P   http://www.cdw.com/u http://www.pcmall.com/	 others...m   That should be reason enough.   E ...and no, we're not just talking scanners and digital cameras, here._  F ...and yes, I know that the successor to USB is already in the productG pipeline. Perhaps it would be better for Alphas to come out with USB-IIrG (or whatever they'll call it) - that is, being (a little) closer to the:$ leading edge than the trailing edge.  H For the time being however, "the world" is going USB. Time to get on the stick and get with it...   -- o David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsm http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/P  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.p   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 23:10:26 -0500n7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>i. Subject: Re: Off-Topic: DS10 Hardware question- Message-ID: <39B9B832.20B70EE1@earthlink.net>w   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:d [snip] oL > I also think that for a customer to make a mandate, they should back it upM > by being able to show that they intend to purchase enough equipment for them" > supplier to recover their costs.  G I think it's important to remember that customers, especially prospectstH who are not current customers, are less likely to ask for what they want@ than they are to seek it from your competition. Alphas are in noE competitive position to expect any kind of performance "advantage" tol offset lack of features.  F You can spend your career waiting for customers to come to you, or youB can spend you career making money selling what the customers want.  D Do your homework, don't wait for "the mountain to come to Mohammed".   ...IMHO.   -- i David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.h   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 20:49:34 +0000 (   )t3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> < Subject: Re: OpenVMS filesystem reader for MicroSoft WindowsJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10009082044260.19849-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  ) On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Hunter Goatley wrote:t  D > MGPCX lets you read and write DOS floppies, on both VAX and Alpha.H > (Last I knew, PCDISK was VAX only.)  Unfortunately, I've never had theG > time to learn the more recent Windows file systems, so MGPCX is stilloE > currently limited to DOS file names.  Still very handy to have.....w  F In the case that you ever do take the time to study this, you can findB notes on it at http://www.wotsit.org/ (or is that wotsit.com? -- IG forget...)  I hope their page works well under VMS netscape -- honestly  never tried it.   I On a related note -- you most likely don't want to know.  It's absolutelyeF disgusting the way windows 95 handles "long" (read: >8 character long)
 filenames.  G To give a hint, it's something to do with the "volume label" of a disk.0G The volume label is actually a file with a special attribute (hence the/J limit of 11 (8+3) characters).  DOS assumes there is only one of these, soG windows just makes new files with this attribute that contain the extraoE bits of the filenames in them.  DOS won't show them, and windows just I takes them and strings them back together in sequence before it shows youc	 the name.    Regards,   Chrisi  O ===============================================================================o@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W ProgrammerS Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.h% ------------------------------------- I "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and H weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 eO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------t   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2000 18:43:04 GMTh2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: OpenVMS V8.0?6 Message-ID: <8pbbvo$afl$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  a In article <OF9017C73D.C17EEB82-ON85256954.00589A8C@cca-int.com>, Tym_Stegner@cca-int.com writes:,J :Does anyone know of what plans there are for OpenVMS in the V8.0 release?  %   Literal (and pedantic) answer: Yes.l  F :I heard something about 64-bit operations that would incapacitate any2 :currently existing 32-bit organized application.   K   Your source of (bad) information must be thinking of some other platform.g  J   btw: OpenVMS Alpha V7.0 and later are 64-bit, and existing OpenVMS Alpha*   32-bit applications continue to operate.  B :Any pointers to plans for this future release would be helpful...  F   Only general "futures" information is available -- check the OpenVMS7   Roadmap on the OpenVMS Website for general details...n  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:47:30 -0700a! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comd2 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Sun's Bitter Harvest- Going OTC Message-ID: <OF4FBD1C3C.A05F07C4-ON88256954.00822F05@HEALTHNET.COM>o  K Reminds me of an occasion here recently. On the floor above us, there is an G executive restroom. One day it had a plumbing problem, and suddenly nottI only water but a fair quantity of the namesake of management's usual main D product (think about it) erupted through our ceiling onto one of theH programmers. Needless to say, the PC didn't fare as well as the VT320 in
 Mike's story.   H This kind of thing usually only happens in the figurative sense..... :-/   Shane           8 Mike Duffy <mdduffy@erols.com> on 09/08/2000 07:22:57 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comy cc:f  3 Subject:  Re: Re[2]: Sun's Bitter Harvest- Going OTr    B Once upon a time, a user in my shop had the misfortune to have her/ desk directly beneath a leaky spot in the roof.y  < At every overnight rainstorm, her LK201 got a steady stream,D not a "drip", but a "stream", of acidic Northern Virginia rainwater,E along with whatever dissolved from the roof; tile, asbestos, plaster,r tar, whatever.  G The next morning, I would dutifully attempt to remove it from the VT320e? without getting shocked (I was moderately successful), pour the B remaining water from the innards, and stand it on end for a while.   It... Kept... Working...  0 She could not be convinced to move the keyboard.  + She could not be convinced to power it off.i  , She could not even be convinced to cover it.  2 Management could not be convinced to fix the roof.  < This noble triumph of engineering survived an entire summer,: with about 8 good storms, while powered on, before finally& giving up the ghost in late September.  3 (And No, she could not be convinced to pay for it.)    -Mikes    . Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote in message' <009EFC44.CA6D6C20@SendSpamHere.ORG>...h; >In article <0033000003985450000002L002*@MHS>, WILLIAM WEBBo <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> writes:-J >>=0AIn article <rjqsnrcimjs.fsf@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>, Paul Repacho= >>li) >><prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:w >>; >>>MAny years ago I currsed as a LK201 had its last Coke...@ >>J >>Yeah, them keyboards just don't take kindly to caffine.  Have you tried= >> a
 >>ginger ale?: >>--= >>Howard S Shubs      hshubs@mindspring.com    hshubs@bix.comvA >>The Denim Adept     Which is better, Maryann or pickled Ginger?9@ >>SPAM: uce@ftc.gov   postmaster@[127.0.0.1]   abuse@[127.0.0.1] >>H >>     I've actually heard stories about LK201s that fell victim to "The8 >>     Pepsi Syndrome" being RUN THROUGH THE DISHWASHER- >>J >>     As long as they got thoroughly dried, (air-dried, I presume) there= >> >>     wasn't any problem... >>
 >>     WWWebb- >>=- >> >-G >Due to tight desk space, I recently spilled an entire cup of coffee (I G >drink mine from a 22oz. beer mug) on a LK411.  Carefully, I opened thesH >keyboard and removed the plastic (actually 2 sheets) which composed itsG >keyboard switch element.  I pulled the two pieced apart and washed andtH >dried them.  I put the keyboard back together and I'm now 1 finger typ-G >ing this message on this very keyboard as MicroVAX-IV is druelling allo	 >over it.b >l >--t3 >VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001e VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >rJ >city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.U   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:04:54 GMTo* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist+ Message-ID: <KsORkyil0$zZ@eisner.decus.org>o  o In article <39B90F9C.A045191C@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:h > Rob Young wrote: > r >> In article <39B8F88A.B8E2FF0D@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:* >> > Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote: >> >C >> >> Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazas >> >>T >> >> Andrew posted; >> >>:N >> >> "In fact the HP  V-Series has almost identical environemtal requirements8 >> >> to the E10K 10-30C and similar relative humidity " >> >>rF >> >> From HP website 20-30C and humidity 40-60% with no condensation. >> >>u >> >C >> > Well it depends on which HP the V-Class is 20-30 the N is 5-35lB >> > etc etc.. The point of your post if there was one is that you= >> > appear to be in violent disagreement with Kerrys postingsB >> > his point after all was that according to him Sun's require a: >> > more controlled environment than HP's, Compaq's IBM's; >> > etc when in fact the V-Class has a tighter temperaturee3 >> > requirement than Sun's or Compaqs for example.a >> >N >> > So why are you splitting hairs the point is Kerrys posting was completelyG >> > incorrect. You know it but seem to be entirely unable to be honest-> >> > and post an article criticising him because that would be? >> > admitting that neither Kerry or Rob have a point when they > >> > suggest that Sun is asking people to run their systems in/ >> > conditions that Compaq IBM and HP are not.w >> >H >> > I await your criticism of Kerrys and Robs posts which should follow* >> > it will be interesting to see. :):):) >> > >>F >>         Trot something specific out that I said that you are having< >>         a problem with.  Something no older than a month. >>. >>         Returning to the subject line . . . >>I >>         You talk in such generalities and then focus on something thatgC >>         has little to do with the problem at hand.  The problem?lA >>         Sun has more than a perception problem regarding their F >>         handling of crashing Sun Servers.  Sun (collectively) wouldH >>         have us believe the problem is environmental.  Doesn't appearA >>         that way at all.  Folks are still crashing.. including8 >>         the following:r >> > A > Well for a start Rob you claimed that Sun are recommending thatwB > Sun's are kept in an environment which has tighter environmental> > controls than the ones required for other vendors platforms. >   6 	Drop a quote in here which shows that ... use Deja as= 	a resource if you need to.  If you need help doing searches,n 	contact me off line.e   > B > You are also claiming that fixing the environment does not work,B > when in fact the only example posted in the origional article ofA > a datacenter manager who had taken Sun's advice was a possitivesA > one he said that lowering the machine room temperature by 10-150" > degrees had stopped the outages. >   9 	Whoa!  Hold on there pal.  I'm not claiming much at all.,8 	What I am doing is showing what Gartner CLAIMS and what: 	the IQ4Hire folks CLAIMS and what Rick Epps CLAIMS.  What< 	THEY claim is that it isn't an environmental issue.  Do you! 	dispute your friends at Gartner?   N Gartner Group's recommendations for Sun users who encounter  the chip problem:   8  o Challenge Sun's claims of site environmental factors:8    While poor operating conditions may contribute to the7    problem, a majority of the reliability issues aren'tn    environmental in nature.     5 	That is THEIR claims.   Do you understand?  Sorry...n  	forgot you are hard of hearing:   			DO YOU UNDERSTAND?   * 	It isn't an environmental problem, right?   > < > You then po-pooed the idea that a patch proposed by Sun to9 > impliment memory scrubbing for the e-cache, I guess youd< > had no idea what memory scrubbing is and that many systems% > use it for things like main memory.. >   : 	I didn't "pooh pooh" it.  I dropped the entire quote from7 	that fellow there and then you went off on the ins ando6 	outs of memory scrubbing.  What you said and my reply	 	follows:l ===s  N > Blimey Rob do you ever learn. The software patch impliments memory scrubbingN > for the e-Cache, this is hardly revolutionary or strange. Most large systemsN > that I know of use this for main memory and have done for some time, S390's,J > HP's and Sun's all scrub main memory. The Sun patch impliments this for Q > e-Cache and for all I know Alpha's running OpenVMS/Tru64 may have this facility  > allready.   i; Not my problem.  That is the clever doublespeak he is being0 fed by the Sun FEs no doubt.   ===9  @ 	Is that pooh-poohing?  Sorry.  Didn't mean to pooh pooh on your 	parade.  A > Thats for starters so come on these are specific you made thesen@ > claims, they are just as incorrect as all your previous FUD onB > eBay and just as incorrect as the Spiralog/Galaxy/21264/WildFireB > predictions that you also made. How do you expect me to take you: > seriously when you have enven started pre-announcing the- > "capabilities" of Marvel on this newsgroup.t >   : 	Ahhh.. come on Andrew.  You got caught with your knickers> 	down and like a 5 year old you go on denying you did anything4 	wrong.  It wasn't clever twisting of what you said.@ 	I went back, posted what you wrote in mid-December and compared> 	that to recent events.  Back then you claimed the Sun Server H 	problems were "old news" going so far as to claim Sun actually informedD 	Gartner of them and that newer cache modules fixed it.  That wasn't> 	the case then and isn't the case now.  The more you twist and) 	turn makes you look sillier and sillier.5  C 	Also, bet it will be a while before you quote your Gartner buddieso 	about anything, eh?   				Robe   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:23:26 -07000! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.coma* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persistC Message-ID: <OF17EA3A99.C5B196C8-ON88256954.0074D944@HEALTHNET.COM>B  G If the Suns have the same environmental requirements as everyone else'saD kit, Andrew, why are these Suns failing in the same room where otherK manufacturers' machines are working perfectly? Sounds to me like either theuK Suns are more sensitive, regardless of what the recommended numbers are, orbI there's a flaw in the Sun equipment that's not related to the environmentc# or the treatment they're receiving.e  K So which is it? More sensitive to environment, or faulty?Those are the only * two options, given the observed behaviour.   Shanev          J Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> on 09/08/2000 09:14:04 AMe   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come cc:e  + Subject:  Re: Sun Hardware problems persistn    % Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:e  ? > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazao >e > Why? >tI > You are giving figures for specific machines, for which I am giving thesC > specifications from the manufacturers websites pertinent to those- machines. SoK > these are the SPECIFIC ENVIRONMENTAL REQUIREMENTS for these machines. Not " > generic datacentre requirements. >c  > Steve Kerry was wrong you know it and you are just nit picking= admit it he was wrong, Rob was wrong Sun's don't require moret< specifically more stringent environments than HP's IBM's and Compaqs.  : Flame him for being wrong or stop arguing you cant have it  
 both ways.   RegardsU Andrew Harrisonv Enterprise IT Architectt   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2000 21:13:06 -0400e/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)s* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist* Message-ID: <8pc2r2$t8q$1@lisa.gemair.com>  * In article <39B90F9C.A045191C@uk.sun.com>,D Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: >[snip]m >o? >This is untrue Sun is not recommending anything that the others6 >vendors (Compaq GS140) HP (V-Class environmentals and* >general datacenter prep guide) recommend. >   @ Hmmmm... This may be true, but then, you don't hear the analysts> making reliability warnings about those other vendors machinesB due to problems that you assure us are mostly due to environmental< concerns.  So, which is it?  The E10Ks are more sensitive to environmental problems or not?  A >You are also claiming that fixing the environment does not work,oA >when in fact the only example posted in the origional article of @ >a datacenter manager who had taken Sun's advice was a possitive@ >one he said that lowering the machine room temperature by 10-15! >degrees had stopped the outages.a >u  : Well now, it might be those NDAs that are making customers9 so reluctant to speak up about continuing problems.  Whato7 of those NDAs, Andrew?  What's that all about if not tot hide problems?    ; You make it sound as if those customers would just _follow_a6 the clearly stated environmental guidelines that there9 would be no problems with those machines.  But, what does 8 the article really say? Hmmm?  You are so quick to quote6 URL's that are embarrassing to Compaq, let's go take a look at what was really said.   1 The article that I think you are referring to is:l  I   http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/00/08/25/000825hnsunmemory.xmlo  ; In this article, we find Sun Executive VP Shoemaker saying:i  E   According to Shoemaker, Sun hasn't been able to narrow the problem fE   to any one specific cause. Sun believes the problems may have been tE   caused by a combination of factors, including defective components -E   from one of Sun's suppliers, poor packaging of the memory chips on  0   the system boards, and environmental factors.   6 So, who are we to believe?  Andrew, the Enterprise IT 4 Architect or Sun Executive VP Shoemaker who gives a 4 whole laundry list of problems, all but one of them 5 directly attributable to slipshod engineering on the l' part of Sun, for these problems?  Hmmm?   5 Then, there's the independent Analysts who are sayingd8 that the problems aren't traceable only to environmental factors.  < Go ahead, feel free to change the subject again to something< Rob or Kerry said or didn't say or some Compaq benchmark or : some other irrelevancy.  Your dodging, spinning and lying 1 shows everyone here what you're really all about.    >[snip]r >g >Regards >Andrew Harrison >Enterprise IT Architect >  >  >    -Jordan Hendersony jordan@greenapple.comn   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 21:48:27 -0400(* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist- Message-ID: <39B996EB.8817D530@tsoft-inc.com>c  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > L Hey Andrew.  Why don't you just can all the talk about what anyone else saidL about comparable environment requirements?  It's clear to anyone with half aO brain that that's just a smokescreen to avoid discussing the real issues, whicha are:    	Sun systems broke for 18 months 	Sun cannot fix the probleme 	Sun gagging the users  - That's a good start, I'm sure there are more.=  L Oh, and calling something old news, when the problem is still happening sureL isn't a good idea.  You're just showing that Sun cannot fix something beforeM it's considered old.  Maybe Sun is waiting for all the affected systems to be N retired, and then will declare the problem fixed?  Unfortunately, since you'reP still selling them, that point is being pushed further (but maybe not too far if# the users wise up) into the future.   K Dave, VMS bigot, and proud of it, and don't give a damn how you try to spin- that!-   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:07:03 -0400,* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>! Subject: Re: Sun's Bitter Harvest - Message-ID: <39B90EA7.62788A36@tsoft-inc.com>a   John Santos wrote: > # > On 7 Sep 2000, Marty Kuhrt wrote:y > s > > In article <rjqsnrcimjs.fsf@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>, Paul Repacholi <prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> writes:  > []G > > > MAny years ago I currsed as a LK201 had its last Coke... You knowVB > > > what that does to 'em. So rang FS, as it was on maintainace. > > >a > > > "What's wrong with it?"d > > > "Coke"% > > > "Do you expect us to fix that!"n# > > > "You say office environment." < > > > "You be there in 20 min so we can drop off a new one?" > > >- > > > spin, spin, spin...n > > >i > []C > > About once yearly I'll take apart my LK401 keyboard and wash itrB > > in the kitchen sink to get the grunge off the keyboard.  Makes+ > > the non-believers raise their eyebrows.m > >n > > NB: "What are you doing!?!": > > Me: "Cleaning my keyboard" > > NB: "Won't that ruin it?"1? > > Me: "It would ruin _your_ keyboard if you did this.  Unlike @ > >      _your_ hardware vendor, DEC knows how to build things."
 > > NB: Gruntm > B > Do you use soap or detergent, or just plain water?  Hot or cold? >  > --
 > John Santose > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539   John,d  " You'll hate this, but, it depends.  J I've cleaned keyboards from the VT220 on up to the Vt500 stuff.  The VT500N keyboards are very simple and easy to clean.  Use whatever is necessary to cutG the dirt and grease, but normally a mild dishwashing liquid works well.0  O The VT400 keyboards need a bit more care, they're more delicate.  It's when youeN go back to VT320 and VT220 keyboards that you must be careful.  Some have whatO looks like gold contacts that come together when you push the key down, and theg keys break rather easily.   J Remember that some time ago, for environmental reasons, DEC began to cleanP circuit boards with water in place of solvent.  Water should not hurt any of theP components, if it dries and leaves no residue.  So the question is, what kind ofO water do you have?  I don't think distilled water is necessary, but rather hardnM water, lots of calcium and such, could be a problem.  Never has been an issueo& for me, just mentioning possibilities.  O Then there is the question of harm.  How can you hurt a keyboard that's alreadyoO useless from dirt and grease?  Just using hot water, from the tap, not boiling,rO and a mild dishwashing soap can work wonders.  Scrubbing carefully with a brush8# will clean up the keys really well.e  N Then again, I have an air compressor, and blow the water off/out after washing and rinsing.   Dave   -- k4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:04:00 -0700e! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comg! Subject: Re: Sun's Bitter Harvest C Message-ID: <OFD3FB6400.DF4F6B7B-ON88256954.007E2936@HEALTHNET.COM>e  K Yup, I know it. I had arythmia and a few other symptoms; they thought I wasnH having a heart attack. I was still having paroxcysms (sp?) for 18 months= after, where the heart is late on a beat (this feels /really/.H disconcerting). Luckily I wasn't as far gone as that student, but I willD never forget finding myself in St. Mary's with a guy in a white coat standing over me.   , The moral of this story? Stay under 4 a day.   Shanee          C jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) on 09/08/2000 03:12:13 AM-   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma cc:   " Subject:  Re: Sun's Bitter Harvest    C In article <OFED6577D1.5F271236-ON88256954.00057003@HEALTHNET.COM>,e%  <Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com> wrote:i >a >??? > E >Headaches are a common symptom of caffeine withdrawal symptoms (been  there,. >done that). Get this man a triple espresso!!! >aJ >I once used to average between 8 and 15 cups of coffee a day, and severalG >cokes after work. After collapsing one day with a caffeine overdose, IO wentD                                                             ^^^^^^^^A Careful there.  It _is_ possible to overdose on caffeine and DIE.a  ? I saw an article on this recently which I think I could find if = you're interested.  There was a student who swallowed a whole ? bottle of caffeine tablets on a dare and died.  It causes heart0: irrhthmias (sp??) in high doses.  I think this guy had the2 equivalent of 270 cups of coffee in under an hour.  I >cold turkey, switched to decaf coke and didn't touch coffee for nearly a8D >year. I know the symptoms of caffeine a little better than I'd like to.....> >i >Shane >S >e >i >@ >lA >Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> on 09/07/2000 05:38:13 PMt >o >To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >cc: > # >Subject:  Re: Sun's Bitter Harvestt >e > I >In article <39B7CC26.CE3F942D@bbc.co.uk>, tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk wrote:  >3J >>I know someone who gave up coke after seeing what it  did to the insides >>of an Lk401:-) > K >All foods are acidic or basic.  -That- isn't what gets -me-.  I don't carei >for >the headaches after caffine.. >--p< >Howard S Shubs      hshubs@mindspring.com    hshubs@bix.com@ >The Denim Adept     Which is better, Maryann or pickled Ginger?? >SPAM: uce@ftc.gov   postmaster@[127.0.0.1]   abuse@[127.0.0.1]t >l >e >r >e >t >  >s   -Jordan Henderson> jordan@greenapple.com-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:37:11 -0400r* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>+ Subject: Re: Sun's Bitter Harvest- Going OTp- Message-ID: <39B915B7.83851875@tsoft-inc.com>    Mike Duffy wrote:  > D > Once upon a time, a user in my shop had the misfortune to have her1 > desk directly beneath a leaky spot in the roof.o > > > At every overnight rainstorm, her LK201 got a steady stream,F > not a "drip", but a "stream", of acidic Northern Virginia rainwater,G > along with whatever dissolved from the roof; tile, asbestos, plaster,> > tar, whatever. > I > The next morning, I would dutifully attempt to remove it from the VT320aA > without getting shocked (I was moderately successful), pour thedD > remaining water from the innards, and stand it on end for a while. >  > It... Kept... Working... > 2 > She could not be convinced to move the keyboard. > - > She could not be convinced to power it off.p > . > She could not even be convinced to cover it. > 4 > Management could not be convinced to fix the roof. > > > This noble triumph of engineering survived an entire summer,< > with about 8 good storms, while powered on, before finally( > giving up the ghost in late September. > 5 > (And No, she could not be convinced to pay for it.)s  I I cannot resist.  Resistance is futile.  I have to ask.  Did you give here another terminal/keyboard?   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  " Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 00:26:11 GMT( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>( Subject: Re: TT_ACCPORNAM for IP address' Message-ID: <G0LFvo.2x4@spcuna.spc.edu>    teroconnor@my-deja.com writes:H > We use PORT=F$GETDVI("TT:","TT_ACCPORNAM") to allocate a local printerE > queue to users logging on from different terminals. This works fined > whenH > users are using LAT connectivity - but now we are moving over to TCPIPH > the symbol returns a blank string. Is there any other lexical function > I can use?H > As we use DHCP to allocate IP addresses a particular PC client may not" > always have the same IP address.  G   This varies greatly depending on which TCP/IP stack you're using. Fore. example, Process Software's MultiNet provides:      "SYS$REM_ID" = "CC8D2333:0C00"   "SYS$REM_NODE" = "TELNET::"r&   "SYS$REM_NODE_FULLNAME" = "TELNET::"  
   as well as:   =   7_SERVER::$ write sys$output F$GETDVI("TT:","TT_ACCPORNAM")    office.tmk.com  F   Note that MultiNet can (and sometimes does) update ACCPORNAM asynch-0 ronously, if the name translation takes a while.  I   I'm almost positive that ACCPORNAM is what's used in "show users/full",cG so a TCP/IP stack that doesn't fill it in would be pretty lame. Are you @ sure your name server(s) are responding and properly configured?  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.comn5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAy   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:35:46 -0500) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> ( Subject: Re: TT_ACCPORNAM for IP address/ Message-ID: <srj18q9nljn179@corp.supernews.com>t  ) <teroconnor@my-deja.com> wrote in messagem# news:8parcd$m59$1@nnrp1.deja.com...b/ > We use PORT=F$GETDVI("TT:","TT_ACCPORNAM") to 9 > allocate a local printer queue to users logging on fromm? > different terminals. This works fine when users are using LATs4 > connectivity - but now we are moving over to TCPIP? > the symbol returns a blank string. Is there any other lexicala > function I can use?   F Please indicate what version of OpenVMS you are using, and what TCP/IP' program, version, and ECOs are present.t  F For many combinations of the above the TT_ACCPORNAM will return the IP address of the sender.  L If you are not seeing this, you may need to get an upgrade or an ECO to your TCP/IP program.e  H > As we use DHCP to allocate IP addresses a particular PC client may not" > always have the same IP address.   That is more tricky.  A You need to have a WINS server that the PC client registers with.g  K Then the SAMBA NMBLOOKUP program should be able to extract the PC name thata goes with that I.P. Address.   -Johnd wb8ytw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 19:10:17 GMTo$ From: hx_101@hotmail.com (HorseNuts) Subject: UNXIP not working- Message-ID: <39b9396a.1400753797@news.dal.ca>t  ; I have unzip.exe in a directory that conatins the zip file.d  $ The syntax is unzip.exe whatever.zip   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2000 19:44:56 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: UNXIP not working6 Message-ID: <8pbfjo$b3v$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  T In article <39b9396a.1400753797@news.dal.ca>, hx_101@hotmail.com (HorseNuts) writes:     User: It's not working.T   Support: What's not working?   User: Zip.   Support: What's it doing?o%   User: I told you, it's not working.S)   Support: Do you see any error messages?a5   User: Yes, something about an unrecognized command.m)   Support: what command are you entering?,   User: unzip zipfile.zipo=   Support: What do you see next, after you enter the command?hG   User: three of those little angle-bracket thingies, just like before.e   Support: (groan)  :-)s  E   Seriously: "not working" is a phrase you will want to avoid in yournD   questions, as it provides little or no meaningful information, andG   does not serve to reduce the scope of the problem.  (Put another way, F   if it "did work", you probably would not be asking for help with it.G   Well, there are cases where things can work a little too well -- such3G   as a chainsaw -- and that can result in requests for (medical) help. i   But I digress. :-))   < :I have unzip.exe in a directory that conatins the zip file. :u% :The syntax is unzip.exe whatever.zip   G   When posting questions, please remember to post the OpenVMS version,  F   the OpenVMS platform, the specific error message(s) and the specificF   command(s) used, and any related information that could be useful in   reproducing the problem.    G   Also please remember to check resources such as the OpenVMS FAQ, and oG   specifically for this case please see section "DCL1.  How do I run a oF   program with arguments?".  (I will provide specific examples for ZipG   and a couple of other tools in that section for the next FAQ, as welldI   as TCPIP$DEFINE_COMMANDS.COM, etc.)  Also check any documentation that pK   might have been available with the Zip tool -- some of the other pointers4E   include one to a URL (redirected, I will fix that for the next FAQ)kE   http://www.djesys.com/zip.html, which has a nice description of how    to use the tool.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 19:17:40 GMTa$ From: hx_101@hotmail.com (HorseNuts) Subject: UNZIP not working- Message-ID: <39ba3b4d.1401236731@news.dal.ca>s  ; I have unzip.exe in a directory that conatins the zip file.a  $ The syntax is unzip.exe whatever.zip   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 19:28:24 GMTn- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)a Subject: Re: UNZIP not working1 Message-ID: <39b93db4.114517657@swen.process.com>r  @ On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 19:17:40 GMT, hx_101@hotmail.com (HorseNuts) wrote:  < >I have unzip.exe in a directory that conatins the zip file. >a% >The syntax is unzip.exe whatever.zipo >N $ unzip :== $dev:[dir]unzip.exeu $ unzip whatever.zip  @ where "dev:[dir]" is the device and directory where UNZIP.EXE is stored.    Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ : goathunter@goatley.com      http://www.goatley.com/hunter/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 21:58:24 -0500s7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: UNZIP not working- Message-ID: <39B9A750.D43D89EC@earthlink.net>n   HorseNuts wrote: > = > I have unzip.exe in a directory that conatins the zip file.a > & > The syntax is unzip.exe whatever.zip  ( Have a look at the stuff at these links:   http://www.djesys.com/zip.html  http://www.djesys.com/unzip.html4 http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/zipunzip/index.htm5 http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/zipunzip/sld029.htmo0 http://www.djesys.com/vms/hobbyist/zipunzip.html   -- , David J. Dachteraf dba DJE Systemsh http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged..   ------------------------------  , Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 17:56:28 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>" Subject: Re: using / in the symbolJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009081746360.19062-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  . On Wed, 6 Sep 2000 sjoshi01@my-deja.com wrote:  ?  Evan, if the answer from Ira Melamed looks as your resolution,-	 will add:-   [...]-E +2. I would like to do the following. I would like to create a symbol< +likes +-* +    deja/deja == "deja/deja@remotedatase" +rG +3. If I am able to do this,then I can add the "'" sign in the front ofU; +the deja/deja, which will then interpreat the deja/deja asa +deja/deja@remotedatabase.    You are wrong.u=  The "'" sign is interpreted by DCL *before* the "if a symbolt9 exists, use it as pseudocommand or foreign command name".cA  Then - if the pseudocommand contains a "'" it is NOT interpretedo= as "insert here a symbol or lexical contens" ! (because *the*h: step was done before and is not repeated, even if *itself* runs recursivelly).s    Check:p $ UU:="U/F"l $ XX:="SHOW 'UU'"s5 $ XX ! You get error regarding to uninterpreted 'UU !i    Regards - Gotfryd   -- iE =====================================================================eF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================a   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2000 19:19:45 GMT 0 From: "Dale A. Dellutri" <ddellutr@enteract.com>Y Subject: Re: visual interpretation of algorithms. -> Sound interpretation of algorythmes. - Message-ID: <8pbe4h$2e9b$1@news.enteract.com>n  H On Fri, 08 Sep 00 11:41:20 GMT, in comp.os.vms, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:/ > In article <8par93$1pv9$1@news.enteract.com>,m6 >    "Dale A. Dellutri" <ddellutr@enteract.com> wrote:F >>In the late 1960's and early 70's, the University of Chicago had the >>MANIAC III.  > Do they still have it?    ? I doubt it, but I haven't been through the building since 1972.u  9 >> This machine had a speaker which received a pulse eachrG >>time a Jump instruction was executed.  You could tell if your program.< >>was working (once you got it finalized) by how it sounded.; > With just jumps?  Now, I'm trying to think about the code B > I've written...PUSHJ/POPJ pairs...maybe I could hear a mismatch.> > And then there's all of those SKIPs and then there's all the@ > code that the monitor did for me.  Debugging would be a little@ > difficult under timesharing.  I bet it would be neat to do it.   Timesharing?  Hah!  < You fed in paper-tape!  You sat at an IBM Selectric console!D You listened to the strange "music" and watched the blinking lights!   >>Everything old is new again?? > I wish.  It seems like a little bit of info is lost with each  > round.  D "Newton once said that if he saw further than others, it was becauseE he stood on the shoulders of giants.  In the programming field today, E mostly we stand on each other's feet."  (Perhaps not quite right, I'mrB doing this from memory).  Said by R. W. Hamming?  (like in Hamming codes)   --  & Dale Dellutri -- ddellutr@enteract.com   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Sep 2000 23:19:04 GMTs" From: Eric Fischer <enf@pobox.com>Y Subject: Re: visual interpretation of algorithms. -> Sound interpretation of algorythmes.e- Message-ID: <8pbs58$2uso$1@news.enteract.com>e  / Dale A. Dellutri <ddellutr@enteract.com> wrote:o   > jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >o5 > > "Dale A. Dellutri" <ddellutr@enteract.com> wrote:t > >tJ > > > In the late 1960's and early 70's, the University of Chicago had the > > > MANIAC III.  > >o > > Do they still have it?   > A > I doubt it, but I haven't been through the building since 1972.v  H Was the machine in Ryerson or in the old Institute for Computer ResearchH on the back of the Research Institutes?  In either case, I've spent timeJ in both buildings more recently than 1972, and it's pretty certainly gone.  F Fortunately there *are* still books and newsletters about it in Crerar' Library, shelved near call number QA76.h   eric   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 00:52:23 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>X Subject: Re: visual interpretation of algorithms. -> Sound interpretation ofalgorythmes.7 Message-ID: <200009090052_MC2-B2B6-4B2D@compuserve.com>   * Message text written by "Dale A. Dellutri"@ >Also, Easley Blackwood (famous pianist and composer) used some<  J         He is probably better known  for the "Blackwood Convention" used = in Contract Bridge bidding!   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 19:46:15 -0500R/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>-. Subject: Re: Why I hate C on VMS, reason #9321O Message-ID: <4419BD3A357EFFC6.7C20317C805AAFA6.1E0C89516B947082@lp.airnews.net>s  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > 5 > Consider the following simple C program (BBLINT.C):d >  > #include <ssdef.h> > #include <starlet.h> > #define SYS$DCLEXH sys$dclexhn >  > #include <stdio.h> >  > typedef struct desblkt >   {e >     int *flink;e >     void (*exhadr)();n >     char argcnt,__filler[3]; >     int *cndadr;
 >   } DESBLK;  > 
 > DESBLK exh;l > int final_status;a >  > void exit_handler()i >   { G >     printf("Accrued belly button lint has achieved critical mass\n");  >   }l >  > main() >   {n >     exh.argcnt = 1;0! >     exh.cndadr = &final_status;b! >     exh.exhadr = &exit_handler;u >     return SYS$DCLEXH(&exh); >   }D > # > Now, compile it, link it, run it:H > 
 > $ CC BBLINT. > $ LINK BBLINT. > $ RUN BBLINT6 > Accrued belly button lint has achieved critical mass > " > Now, link it with the following: > . > $ LINK BBLINT,SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:IMGDEF.STB > 
 > and run it:  >  > $ RUN BBLINT5 > %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=04,rE >  virtual address=0000000000000014, PC=FFFFFFFF8626F130, PS=0000001B 1 > %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows^L >   image    module    routine             line      rel PC           abs PCQ >                                             0 FFFFFFFF8626F130 FFFFFFFF8626F130rQ >                                             0 FFFFFFFF805F2138 FFFFFFFF805F2138eQ >                                             0 FFFFFFFF805F2184 FFFFFFFF805F2184qQ >  EXH  EXH  __main                           0 0000000000000084 0000000000020084 Q >                                             0 FFFFFFFF8626F3D4 FFFFFFFF8626F3D4a    @ I'm not convinced that this is a C problem.  I think you can getF yourself into similar trouble using FORTRAN COMMONs.  Unfortunately, I6 don't have an Alpha FORTRAN compiler loaded right now.  C The simple solution is to follow the rule: If it doesn't need to bekG global, don't make it global.  (Of course, much of the Unix code I have  seen ignores this rule.)   In any case, the declaration   	static int final_status;r   fixes the problem.  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com r   Fax: 817-237-3074A   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 21:21:48 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>n. Subject: Re: Why I hate C on VMS, reason #9321, Message-ID: <39B990A9.B4E2913C@videotron.ca>   Chris Scheers wrote: > > void exit_handler(): > >   {tI > >     printf("Accrued belly button lint has achieved critical mass\n");i > >   }w   > In any case, the declaration > " >         static int final_status; >  > fixes the problem.  L Manually removing the lint from the belly button would do the trick too, andN no fancy linker problems to contend with. However, this may be a bit difficult$ to acheive in an office environment. :-) :-) :-)t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 00:52:16 -0400g2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>  Subject: Re: WORD viewer for VMS7 Message-ID: <200009090052_MC2-B2B6-4B2A@compuserve.com>   J         Strange are the ways of the bean counters!  I interviewed once at=  aJ site where they had storerooms full of MicroVAXen/VAXstations that had be= enB replaced but could not be sold or scrapped because they were beingJ deprciated on a five year schedule, the machines were only three years ol= d,H the market value was less than the book value, and nobody would take the charge on his budget!!!!!   J         Or McGraw-Hill where they were depreciating the machines on a ten=  . year schedule and were still using them!!!!!!!  ' Message text written by Larry Kilgallen A >In article <39B7D62E.97A0E3D7@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK-. Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:  C > I don't actually have any issues getting hold of an Alpha box, werH > don't have one in the Lab but I know of at least 2 8200's that we willE > be sending to the breakers in the next 8 weeks when they get turned  > off. > =9  G > For some tax reason that I can't quite fathom but its something to doR with8 > VAT machines that customers trade in get chucked away.  F A similar thing happened at a consulting client of mine about 18 yearsD ago with a VAX 11/780.  The site had about three of them, and at theB time they were certainly still the largest VAX model that existed,= and may even still have been the only VAX model that existed.h  D Things were rolling along well and the techies and the users thoughtF things were fine. One day a beancounter (it was a finance-driven shop)C showed up and asked about the plans for decommissioning and sellingaB VAX 2.  Nobody had heard about any such plans, and the beancounter? explained that it was nearing the end of its depreciation life,01 so naturally the beancounters wanted to scrap it.D  B They had given absolutely no thought to whether it was still beingA used and what would happen to the users who were depending on it.t> To them a computer was something which existed solely to bring depreciation credits.r  ? As it turned out, it did _not_ get sold until many years later.      <u   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:04:59 -0300 (EST)e From: becherini@vortex.ufrgs.bre7 Subject: yahMAIL & APACHE (was "Problems with yahMAIL")r, Message-ID: <00090818045971@vortex.ufrgs.br>  O _______________________________________________________________________________-    	 	Hi Mark,,   	Thanks for your answer !r  ) 	As you suggested, I've modified the filej! 	APACHE_ROOT:[CGI-BIN]YAHMAIL.COMs 	and added the line  	$ REMOTE_USER = "becherini"   	The output is:j  F ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 	With YAHMAIL$CHECK = 1C   Status: 200 OK+ Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1   D <FONT SIZE=+1><B><U>yahMAIL is currently unavailable!</U></B></FONT>; <P>Apologies for any inconvenience. Please try again later.h <!-- [private] becherini\?n |becherini\*\postmaster| allow: BECHERINI as POSTMASTER  F ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 	Without YAHMAIL$CHECK = 1   Status: 501 Not Implementedi+ Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  4 	Well, my conclusion is that Apache is not accepting 	the request, am I wrong ?  1 	Unfortunatelly, I've not found in Apache's filesa' 	something about auth/pass etc up/down.o  ) 	I actually don't know if this feature ist 	up an running in this version.g   	The version is:  $ Apache V1.3.9, OpenVMS kit T1.3.9-AE* CPQ-VMS-APACHE-T0103-9AE-1.PCSI-DCX-AXPEXE  ' 	Perhaps the Apache gurus can help us ?-   	Best regards !-  , 	P.S.:	I've tried to instal WASD Web Server,* 	but Unzip (UnZip 5.32 of 3 November 1997)" 	hangs, creating a veeery big file  F ======================================================================  0 Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> wrote:  1 . From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> $ . Subject: Re: Problems with yahMAIL' . Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 08:33:41 +0930u . To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  .  . Hi Fabio,j . H . thanks for an excellent problem report ... all the info possible, plusH . you've obviously tried to solve it yourself (evidence: YAHMAIL$CHECK). . G . You must have authentication and authorization up and running on youroJ . Apache.  This *must* trigger a browser authentication dialog on the pathJ . "/cgi-bin/yahmail/~".  If you are not getting that dialog you cannot useG . authenticated yahMAIL, it checks for the REMOTE_USER CGI variable.  IWJ . cannot help you with setting up VMS Apache authorization, it's somethingG . I haven't tackled yet.  Perhaps when you've succeeded let me know thes: . basics and I'll include it in the yahMAIL documentation. . J . Also, I doubt Apache will supply an AUTH_GROUP (the middle 1\2\3 string,C . which is a WASD-ism allowing greater granularity on authorizationhG . processing), so you'll probably need to change the private section ofi . the configuration file to: . 
 .   [private]w .   becherini\*\postmaster	 .   *\*\*c . G . PLEASE NOTE:  Apache 1.3.9 will support yahMAIL's MIME processing forrA . non-text inclusions.  If you upgrade to 1.3.12 IT WILL NOT.  MypI . investigations indicate that it is *impossible* to send a binary streamoG . from a script to the 1.3.12 Apache server as it *insists* on adding amG . <CR><LF> to each record (which needless-to-say breaks any non-textualaF . response).  The VMS Apache team have been notified and are currently . addressing the issue.e . G . If you would like to *play* with authenticated yahMAIL before gettingi@ . Apache authentication going then you can fudge the REMOTE_USERF . variable.  Remember, this can compromise your mail because with thisH . active anyone accessing private yahMAIL will get your account's (whichF . in an experimental setup probably won't be a big problem).  Edit theJ . APACHE_ROOT:[CGI-BIN]YAHMAIL.COM and add a third-to-last line so that it . looks like the following:  .  .   $ REMOTE_USER = "becherini"t8 .   $ yahmail = "$" + exeDir + fileName + "_" + archName& .   $ yahmail "''P1'" "''P2'" "''P3'"  . = . Obviously remove this before putting it into production :^)- .  . Hope this helps, Mark Daniel.M . " . becherini@vortex.ufrgs.br wrote: . > S . > _______________________________________________________________________________h . >  . >         Hi ! . >  . >         The environment is:  . > = . >   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0A 5 . >   on a AlphaServer 800 5/500 running OpenVMS V7.2  . >  . >   Apache/1.3.9 Server- . > ' . >   yahMAIL version 1.3, 4th May 2000  . > , . >         yahMAIL has been installed with: . > , . >                 @BUILD_YAHMAIL MIME LINK . > + . >                 @INSTALL INSTALL APACHE2 . > + . >         Here is the configuration file:r . > J . > ----------------------------------------------------------------------/ . > [#] example WASD YAHMAIL configuration filed . > 
 . > [body]E . > BGCOLOR="#ffffff" TEXT="#000000" LINK="#0000ff" VLINK="#00000066"  . >  . > [createfooter]W . > <A TARGET="yahMAILhelp" HREF="/yahmail/doc/guide_create.html">Create-Send Guide</A>t . >  . > [folderheader] . > <FONT COLOR="#ff0000">< . > Unauthorized access via <B>yahMAIL</B> is prohibited!<P> . > </FONT>r . >  . > [folderfooter]Y . > <A TARGET="yahMAILhelp" HREF="/yahmail/doc/guide_folder.html">Folder Browse Guide</A>CL . > <BR><A TARGET="yahMAILhelp" HREF="/yahmail/doc/">yahMAIL Usage Guide</A> . >  . > [listfooter]W . > <A TARGET="yahMAILhelp" HREF="/yahmail/doc/guide_lists.html">Address List Guide</A>: . >  . > [readfooter]V . > <A TARGET="yahMAILhelp" HREF="/yahmail/doc/guide_read.html">Message Read Guide</A> . > 
 . > [private]w . > becherini\VMS\postmaster . > *\VMS\*o	 . > *\*\*w . >  . > [public] . > J . > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- . > D . >         Well, yahMAIL works fine, in our tests, in public access, . >         (not in configuration file now). . > # . >         But private access not.i . > * . >         With logical YAHMAIL$CHECK = 1I . >         is possible to check what is wrong in the source of the page.t . >  . >         If I try this: . > > . >                 http://somenode.ufrgs.br/cgi-bin/yahmail/~ . >  . >         it returns this: . > J . > ----------------------------------------------------------------------H . > <FONT SIZE=+1><B><U>yahMAIL is currently unavailable!</U></B></FONT>? . > <P>Apologies for any inconvenience. Please try again later.j . > <!-- . > [public] ~ . > reject: path . > end of configuration!o . > --> J . > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- . > > . >         But I am trying private access, not public access. . > # . >         Please, what is wrong ?c . >  . >         Best regards,o . > R . >  _____________________________________________________________________________S . > |                                                                             |tS . > | Fabio Becherini                   System & Network Manager, Webmaster UFRGS |mS . > | CPD-UFRGS                         Centro de Processamento de Dados da UFRGS |nS . > |                                   Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Sul |sS . > |_____________________________________________________________________________|r   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 18:42:39 -0300 (EST)= From: becherini@vortex.ufrgs.br=7 Subject: yahMAIL & APACHE (was "Problems with yahMAIL")_, Message-ID: <00090818423906@vortex.ufrgs.br>  O _______________________________________________________________________________=    	 	Hi Mark,=   	Thanks for your answer !=  ) 	As you suggested, I've modified the file ! 	APACHE_ROOT:[CGI-BIN]YAHMAIL.COMl 	and added the line  	$ REMOTE_USER = "becherini"   	The output is:i  F ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 	With YAHMAIL$CHECK = 1t   Status: 200 OK+ Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1h  D <FONT SIZE=+1><B><U>yahMAIL is currently unavailable!</U></B></FONT>; <P>Apologies for any inconvenience. Please try again later.e <!-- [private] becherini\?t |becherini\*\postmaster| allow: BECHERINI as POSTMASTER  F ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 	Without YAHMAIL$CHECK = 1   Status: 501 Not Implementedd+ Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  4 	Well, my conclusion is that Apache is not accepting 	the request, am I wrong ?  1 	Unfortunatelly, I've not found in Apache's files ' 	something about auth/pass etc up/down.s  ' 	I really don't know if this feature ise. 	up an running in this version (in my system).   	The version is:  $ Apache V1.3.9, OpenVMS kit T1.3.9-AE* CPQ-VMS-APACHE-T0103-9AE-1.PCSI-DCX-AXPEXE  ' 	Perhaps the APACHE gurus can help us ?    	Best regards !l  F ======================================================================  0 Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> wrote:  1 . From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>n$ . Subject: Re: Problems with yahMAIL' . Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 08:33:41 +0930s . To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt .  . Hi Fabio,m . H . thanks for an excellent problem report ... all the info possible, plusH . you've obviously tried to solve it yourself (evidence: YAHMAIL$CHECK). . G . You must have authentication and authorization up and running on your-J . Apache.  This *must* trigger a browser authentication dialog on the pathJ . "/cgi-bin/yahmail/~".  If you are not getting that dialog you cannot useG . authenticated yahMAIL, it checks for the REMOTE_USER CGI variable.  ImJ . cannot help you with setting up VMS Apache authorization, it's somethingG . I haven't tackled yet.  Perhaps when you've succeeded let me know thet: . basics and I'll include it in the yahMAIL documentation. . J . Also, I doubt Apache will supply an AUTH_GROUP (the middle 1\2\3 string,C . which is a WASD-ism allowing greater granularity on authorizationaG . processing), so you'll probably need to change the private section ofn . the configuration file to: . 
 .   [private]c .   becherini\*\postmaster	 .   *\*\*  . G . PLEASE NOTE:  Apache 1.3.9 will support yahMAIL's MIME processing for A . non-text inclusions.  If you upgrade to 1.3.12 IT WILL NOT.  MyvI . investigations indicate that it is *impossible* to send a binary streameG . from a script to the 1.3.12 Apache server as it *insists* on adding amG . <CR><LF> to each record (which needless-to-say breaks any non-textualiF . response).  The VMS Apache team have been notified and are currently . addressing the issue.  . G . If you would like to *play* with authenticated yahMAIL before gettingn@ . Apache authentication going then you can fudge the REMOTE_USERF . variable.  Remember, this can compromise your mail because with thisH . active anyone accessing private yahMAIL will get your account's (whichF . in an experimental setup probably won't be a big problem).  Edit theJ . APACHE_ROOT:[CGI-BIN]YAHMAIL.COM and add a third-to-last line so that it . looks like the following:  .  .   $ REMOTE_USER = "becherini":8 .   $ yahmail = "$" + exeDir + fileName + "_" + archName& .   $ yahmail "''P1'" "''P2'" "''P3'"  . = . Obviously remove this before putting it into production :^)i .  . Hope this helps, Mark Daniel.  . " . becherini@vortex.ufrgs.br wrote: . > S . > _______________________________________________________________________________K . >  . >         Hi ! . >  . >         The environment is:  . > = . >   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0An5 . >   on a AlphaServer 800 5/500 running OpenVMS V7.21 . >  . >   Apache/1.3.9 Servert . > ' . >   yahMAIL version 1.3, 4th May 2000  . > , . >         yahMAIL has been installed with: . > , . >                 @BUILD_YAHMAIL MIME LINK . > + . >                 @INSTALL INSTALL APACHEn . > + . >         Here is the configuration file:t . > J . > ----------------------------------------------------------------------/ . > [#] example WASD YAHMAIL configuration filec . > 
 . > [body]E . > BGCOLOR="#ffffff" TEXT="#000000" LINK="#0000ff" VLINK="#00000066"0 . >  . > [createfooter]W . > <A TARGET="yahMAILhelp" HREF="/yahmail/doc/guide_create.html">Create-Send Guide</A>  . >  . > [folderheader] . > <FONT COLOR="#ff0000">< . > Unauthorized access via <B>yahMAIL</B> is prohibited!<P> . > </FONT>  . >  . > [folderfooter]Y . > <A TARGET="yahMAILhelp" HREF="/yahmail/doc/guide_folder.html">Folder Browse Guide</A>FL . > <BR><A TARGET="yahMAILhelp" HREF="/yahmail/doc/">yahMAIL Usage Guide</A> . >  . > [listfooter]W . > <A TARGET="yahMAILhelp" HREF="/yahmail/doc/guide_lists.html">Address List Guide</A>8 . >  . > [readfooter]V . > <A TARGET="yahMAILhelp" HREF="/yahmail/doc/guide_read.html">Message Read Guide</A> . > 
 . > [private]  . > becherini\VMS\postmaster . > *\VMS\*A	 . > *\*\*l . >  . > [public] . > J . > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- . > D . >         Well, yahMAIL works fine, in our tests, in public access, . >         (not in configuration file now). . > # . >         But private access not.b . > * . >         With logical YAHMAIL$CHECK = 1I . >         is possible to check what is wrong in the source of the page.c . >  . >         If I try this: . > > . >                 http://somenode.ufrgs.br/cgi-bin/yahmail/~ . >  . >         it returns this: . > J . > ----------------------------------------------------------------------H . > <FONT SIZE=+1><B><U>yahMAIL is currently unavailable!</U></B></FONT>? . > <P>Apologies for any inconvenience. Please try again later.  . > <!-- . > [public] ~ . > reject: path . > end of configuration!s . > --> J . > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- . > > . >         But I am trying private access, not public access. . > # . >         Please, what is wrong ?o . >  . >         Best regards,  . > O   _____________________________________________________________________________-P  |                                                                             |P  | Fabio Becherini                   System & Network Manager, Webmaster UFRGS |P  | CPD-UFRGS                         Centro de Processamento de Dados da UFRGS |P  |                                   Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Sul |P  |_____________________________________________________________________________|   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.504 ************************